20200127: Coronavirus Update Thread

NOTE FROM WOLF: Please go to the newest update thread BELOW for current postings:

https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/02/01/20200201-coronavirus-update-thread-3/

This thread retained for reference and historical data.

Thank you – and thank you, Daughn, for these threads!

W


Our Coronavirus thread has grown substantially. Please consider this the update thread. This thread will run all week long (unless something dire happens and we need another one but not likely).

None of us want to spread bad information, and we don’t want to OVERreact and spread hysteria. The problem with this issue is, that as fast as the disease is spreading, so is the bad information. Thus, this thread. Perhaps we can sort fact from fiction within this forum.

Most of the reporting refers to various provinces of China (like our states). This map might be helpful as a reference.

World Health Organization Link: https://www.who.int/health-topics/coronavirus

American CDC Link: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/index.html

The South China Morning Post is an outlet many of us follow. They are tracking the story closely. Here is their link: https://www.scmp.com/news/china

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cfib5a9kq8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiOeVtdEolE
https://twitter.com/HarmlessYardDog/status/1221607653476044802?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1221607653476044802&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwqth.wordpress.com%2F2020%2F01%2F25%2F20200125-coronavirus%2F

Hat tip to Itswoot for the following link and idea:

This is the website for the military version of the Center for Disease Control (CDC) Nothing here yet, or any other recent updates, on Coronavirus. Maybe worth checking on for research insights that they may come up with independent of the CDC.https://www.usamriid.army.mil/

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Thanks for this, Daughn! I am partway into regaining my ability to administer the site properly. I appreciate these awesome battle posts!!!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I don’t think it’s possible to overstep bounds here! Authors have carte blanche, and questions of civility are “not my purview”, to borrow a phrase. 😉
Have fun!!! 😀

Gail Combs

I am adding link to the old thread so all the info is availabel here.
https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/01/25/20200125-coronavirus/

ozzytrumpster

Director, Johns Hopkins SPH Center for Health Security, working to protect people from epidemics & disasters. Inf diseases, pub health, research, policy.
His thread on preparation for a potential pandemic…

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

This is excellent.
Big takeaway point – At least 2 *named* top experts are cautioning that containment may not succeed.
Threadreader version:

ozzytrumpster

Yes. Not doofus nobodies

Gail Combs

,i>”Big takeaway point – At least 2 *named* top experts are cautioning that containment may not succeed.”
WELL DUH!
You already HAD the virus pass through LAX which is full of homeless people who LIVE THERE.
One of the largest homeless encampments is at LAX airport

LAX is the second busiest airport in the United States, but it is also the location of one of the largest encampment of homeless persons in Los Angeles.
NBC4’s I-Team said the report details numerous attacks and disturbing behavior from the homeless who camp at the airport’s terminals….
….someone “spitting on passengers.”
…The logs cited incidents of homeless people stealing luggage, defecating and urinating in public spaces, and threatening guests.

Do not forget pan-handling and pick pocketing.
…..
Not to mention Chicago O’Hare

…The O’Hare Outreach of Haymarket Center was started in 1990 as an innovative approach to the problem of homelessness in public transportation facilities. The O’Hare Outreach Program assists homeless clients who seek shelter in the O’Hare airport complex….
http://www.hcenter.org/programs-treatment/specialized-programs/ohare-outreach

(At least they are addressing the problem.)
….
and Seattle. (No mention of Sea Tac Airport.)
Seattle might have the worst homelessness problem in the country

….if you just look at Seattle and not the rest of King County, the city jumps to number one (the worst) on the list. With 121 homeless people per 10,000 residents, Seattle surpasses Washington, D.C. (110), New York City (90), and Los Angeles (59)….

Three busy international airports that have had the virus pass through and places with homeless problems…..
IF the hair-on-fire people are correct about how contagious this virus is, we will see the result in two weeks to a month, depending on whether or not it got passed on to a homeless carrier living in one of these airports.

BlackKnightRides

Just got to your stats after speculating below on the possibilities!

GA/FL

Comments to this thread from doctors and disease research scientists are well worth monitoring!
Here is one:

GA/FL

Looks like Inglesby has either blocked or made replies invisible. How stingy at a time like this.

Concerned Virginian

In regards the Ingelsby thread:
It seems to me there’s an awful lot of GLOBAL GOVERNANCE stuff in there —
Global coordinated approach to research on the virus / “rapid” development AND testing of MULTIPLE vaccines / MONEY is NON-LIMITED for these efforts — from WTO and UN, etc., etc.
Of course one can assume that a potential pandemic threat should be elevated to a planet-wide level of fight — BUT it smells like “UN control and coordination” to me.
And what exactly does “money is non-limited” translate to? — it means the United States taxpayers pony up the MAJORITY of the money.
Unless I missed something, there’s little to no discussion of what INDIVIDUAL people can do to prevent the spread of the virus (washing hands, staying away from crowds, etc.)

GA/FL

As usual, there is a $0r0$ connection.
Soros – Companies owned by Soros – http://tinfoilcowboyhat.com/soroscos.htm
https://www.wuxiapptec.com/about/leadership

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Agreed that the UN needs to be regarded with utmost suspicion. Smells like Korea conflict all over again – which was likewise a CHYYYNNAA TRAP. China controls tha badness which we are lured into fix by China, and fix has to be through UN which commies and Cabal control. “It’s a trap!”
Yet immediate fixes are all “big picture” – small fixes with individuals are subtle and need to minimize panic. My thinking is to do two bigger things. First, remember what Obama did right when finally pushed to deal with Ebola (his delay of which dealing with was a massive troll of the right). Take action as the experts recommend – over there. Second – prepare Americans in subtle ways to shelter in place if needed.
More thought later.

BlackKnightRides

Glad to see POTUS offer help to Xi … if needed.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yup. Keep it mostly bilat is how to keep the Coronavirus Cabal sidelined.

TheseTruths

Yes, global control, emphasis on vaccines that must be distributed to all countries. And from there, everyone could be required to take the vaccine “for the good of all.” I don’t trust the vaccine makers or the vaccines. They can accomplish through them what the virus would have done. This is biological warfare. And it could be create a problem so you can accomplish your goals through its solution.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Agreed – I smell rats ALL OVER this thing.

Linda

Interesting article. It’s really incredible to me that Canada (and the US as well) allows Chinese nationals to work in such sensitive areas as labs that contain viruses that could cause pandemics. We and Canada and the West are being horribly naive and endangering us all.

ozzytrumpster

We Lehman work ew. Y rom of manufacturing, tech, entertainment are being pirated

ozzytrumpster

Sorry. Trying to type in car

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Great article. WOW. This is a VERY deep dive on the ChiComs.

GA/FL

Johns Hopkins Inglesby retweeted:

GA/FL

Battle Beagle’s tweet was a thread and later he tweeted the whole document:
https://twitter.com/HarmlessYardDog/status/1221607653476044802

coosmama

So, are those numbers WITH or WITHOUT intervention? Sanitation? etc.

GA/FL

Good questions – that would be hard to find – since sanitation and intervention is a matter of degrees and complex.

para59r

Unqualified opinion here but currently the Dow Futures are down 170 which really is not a lot at all at all. I will expect a bigger hit, but then given the current sanctions on China even after some have been lifted we sort of have an inoculation. Terrible way to think and prayers for the Chinese people and anyone else effected by this. Meanwhile China is going to also have to worry about an enraged populous if they are not careful and get blamed for this.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yup. “Wet market” was really their only choice in a cause, wasn’t it?

Gail Combs

Lab ==> Infects animals ==> Stolen ==> Sold at Wet market 20 miles away.
OR an accidental release.
They kept this more or less under wraps for 2 months. December 8th is 1st acknowledged victim reported to WHO on December 12th.

ozzytrumpster

We are all going to have to worry about keeping from the rest of the world. This is like the flu pandemic on steroids with air travel.
I hope FG&C can take some leave

coosmama

Thanks for this! NEJM is trustworthy. This seems to be a B lineage of betacorona, with 85% similarty to bat SARS. The article mostly discusses identifying the virus, not treatments, other the a patient on a vent survived. Also, appears to be viral pneumonia, not a secondary bacterial pneumonia. Good to know. Will keep digging other sources for treatment recommendations. The most noticable thing on the xrays are the lesions. This was pointed out on the first set of films last month, and seems consistent.

Deplorable Patriot

Cruise ships are massive incubators, that’s for sure, even with all the hand sanitizer they have around.
I could use one right now, though.

duchess01

Wuhan Coronavirus: Should We Be Concerned?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxoyDL4X_pU&feature=em-uploademail

Concerned Virginian

Patriot Nurse makes a very **interesting** series of points about how “all of a sudden” there’s this new virus in Communist China, after months of pro-democracy pro-United States protests in Hong Kong, with the subsequent “losing face” for Beijing with the election of a pro-freedom legislature in Hong Kong..
Now the Communist Chinese government can do almost anything it wants to control the population — mass quarantines / stop all public movement and transportation / clamp down on social media and “spreading rumors”, etc.
Perfect way to put Hong Kong and the U.S. on notice that Beijing — and Communism — are still the masters of the Chinese people AND by extension a threat to the U.S.

duchess01

True – they do need a reason to ‘clamp down’ on the people – that the world would accept – since that is what they normally do anyway…SMH
Agree – Patriot Nurse does bring some common sense to the table – why I like her – 🙂

kea

Good video. She also bring up a good point about different environments as well.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Taiwan conserving masks by banning exports:
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3863692

ladypenquin

This past Friday, hubby ordered some masks, I think ebay. Yesterday they cancelled the order.

coosmama

Maybe check construction supplies, paint supplies, sandblasting/auto repair, in case medical supplies run low. Lots of places use masks and gloves nowdays. Hope this helps!

ladypenquin

Thanks.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

And now for some comic relief from Gab, via Andrew Torba:comment image

duchess01

NASHVILLE
Chinese Coronavirus: What to Know & What to Do (2019-nCoV)

ladypenquin

China is in serious trouble. Shutting down the country from doing business except for essential – medical and feeding the people.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

OK – this is serious. This is what I was thinking WE would have to do for Ebola containment – basically have people shelter in place to minimize spread.

Volgarian8301

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Good stuff. Trump is on top of it. THAT is the assurance we need.

kea

That’s what makes me feel better as well is that Trump is on top of this.

Dora

Coronavirus Should Prompt State Of Emergency, NY Senator Says
NEW YORK CITY — New York Senator Charles Schumer demanded the government declare a public health emergency as the fifth confirmed case of the deadly coronavirus was found in the U.S.
https://patch.com/new-york/new-york-city/coronavirus-should-prompt-state-emergency-ny-senator-says

GA/FL

They REALLY want to shut down all those massive Trump Rallies!!!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I’m starting to see SCUMMER’s motives and methods here.
Scummer is trying to do the same thing Pigliosi does in the “impeachment” by quietly restating the fact of CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS as assumed POLITICAL INVESTIGATIONS by making that a premise of her bullshit, rather than the declaration itself. It’s a subtle but effective GASLIGHTING technique.
Here, SCUMMER wants to shift thinking away from QUIET SMART ACTION (which Trump is doing, quietly, to solve problem and avoid panic) into DECLARATION OF A STATE OF EMERGENCY, which causes panic. Scummer is offering a usual Demmunist TWO-LOSER choice. Listen to him or oppose him, you lose.
NOTE in particular that the correct approach that Trump IS doing is EXACTLY what Obama did – except Obama delayed and ignored and acted like he wanted to do nothing, so that he could TROLL conservatives and CREATE SELECTIVE PANIC.
Trump has the opportunity to beat Scummer AND Obama on this, by doing a new right thing.

GA/FL

DHS and DHSWMD are hard at work protecting the US against the Coronavirus.
DHS considers nCoV Coronavirus 2019 a potential WMD – and is treating it as such!
We have got an excellent dedicated DHS Director in Chad Wolfe – who is dead serious about protecting our country and its citizens – just like our President is doing!!!
He is on top of the Coronavirus outbreak situation!

duchess01

#DustinNemos #StopBitBurning #WWG1WGA
1.26.20 – Special Update – Coronavirus Epidemic and HOW TO PREPARE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m8iH1L12Lo&feature=em-uploademail

Gail Combs

Discussion by the techies over at Chiefio: Chinese Novel Coronavirus Outbreak – 2019-nCoV

TheseTruths

Here is what I don’t understand. If this virus is similar to seasonal flu in its symptoms, and it the majority of people will recover with no treatment, why are the hospitals in China overrun with patients? Either the symptoms are severe enough for people to seek help, or people are afraid they need help when maybe they don’t, or they have been told to check in if they have symptoms in an effort to try to contain the virus.
With regular flu, the symptoms are uncomfortable, but not everyone goes to the hospital. So it seems the symptoms of this coronavirus might be more severe, especially if the mortality rate is higher. I guess I’m feeling we are not being given enough information to evaluate symptoms and the need for medical care. On the one hand, it’s *just* the flu; on the other, people are flocking to hospitals and dying.
I know that more people have died from seasonal flu than from this over the course of a season, but the deaths from this are happening in concentration.

coosmama

Please keep in mind, Flu A and Flu B are also in full force right now. We have swab tests for those, but not corona. The only way I have seen so far to confirm corona is chest xray showing those lesions. Am betting not all the dead are being xrayed, so the numbers could possible be a combination of different viruses.

TheseTruths

I have read that scientists have the “genetic code,” or something like that, for the virus, and that they have sent it to countries around the world so the virus can be identified throught testing. I don’t know what kind of testing they mean, but it didn’t seem like xrays.

coosmama

In NEJM article, it does say they have isolated the genetic marker. It also states it was difficult using epithelial airway tissue, lung tissue, Ig and Im markers, and CT. All of these take time and are costly vs point of care swabs. They are working on a faster identification system, but other articles have said that may be 4 -6 month out. Just a personal opinion, but I don’t see China investing that kind of time or money to verify who has which type of virus. They will spend initially to identify the genome, but not for the average joe.

coosmama

Tissue biopsy and blood tests like Ig and Im can take days; at least xray and CT are under an hour.

TheseTruths

That would explain why we hear of suspected cases but it takes a while before they can confirm whether those people have the virus.

kalbokalbs

I’ve read ONLY CDC can verify Corona. Read that a number of times over the past few days.
Maybe it has changed.

coosmama

A VERY over-simplified version of how viruses work, immune boosting, and what you can do NOW. This is esp helpful for at risk age groups, but good for everyone.
Those spikes you see on virus pics allow it to puncture your cell wall and use the inside of your cell for food. Immune boosters help strengthen your cell wall, among other things.
ELDERBERRY SYRUP – (Sambucus n.) Stregnthens your cell walls, and is shown to bind to flu viruses, preventing them from invading cells and replicating.
ASTRAGALUS – Helps increase the bodies production of interferon, and, reduces water retention.
ECHINACEA p. – Provides inulin, which improves white cells ability to fight in part by increasing properdin, increases and activates white cells, signals the body to release interferon.
VITAMIN C – Helps the red blood cells transport oxygen thru the body.
Your lymphatic system runs along (mostly) the same paths that your blood vessels use. However, your lymph systym doesn’t have a “pump” the way your blood vessels have your heart to move things along. Your lymphatic system helps with your blood system to drain out the debris from your dead cell walls, dead virus cell, and white cells, etc. Keeping your lymphatic system clear of debris us why you are told to drink lots of fluids when you get sick. That junk needs to be urinated out, to keep the lanes clear for more white cells to attack the virus. There are also simple excercises that “pump” your lymphatics. These are all online. If you catch a virus, there are more things to add that may help. So, if you get sick:
INCREASE YOUR IMMUNE BOOSTERS!!! like, every couple hours or so.
Drink LOT of fluids
Add STEROIDS to help reduce inflammation if necessary. This can be prescribed or LICORICE HERB (not the candy, sorry!) can be used.
NETTLES – Anti-histamine, anti-inflammatory, and diuretic. Is helpful with drying up runny noses, too!
DANDELION – A strong diuretic, has Vitamin C and potassium. (Most diuretics take out potassium along with the urine.)
For fever, Tylenol or Motrin. Some people don’t do fever control, as the higher temperatures help kill the virus, but I have seen seizures happen from this, so I think fever control is a good thing. Also, if your body is fight aches and fever, those are cells which can be helping fight the virus instead.
Again, very over-simplified, but some steps you can be taking NOW, and some herbs you can look into to see what may work for you and yours.

Gail Combs

Of interest from CHIEFIO
Geographic distribution of cities across the globe receiving airline travellers from 18 high-risk cities in mainland China over a period of three months #coronavirus #2019nCoV Source: https://www.worldpop.org/events/chinacomment image

GA/FL

WHY OH WHY – haven’t they closed the US to travel from China?

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I think our people are ramping up to travel restrictions, which is smart. And then – so that we get 100% of Obama’s eventual scientific WIN on Ebola (which he got, when it was over), we have to allow people to travel TO THE EPIDEMIC to help stop it THERE. Very important. Obama did the right thing, scientifically, to stop Ebola – he just did the wrong thing (intentionally) by not reassuring people, and TROLLING the right with inaction until pressured.

Gail Combs

To go with the above:

David A says:
26 January 2020 at 6:12 pm
Older 2015 stats, mostly large aircraft;
“During this year’s peak July 1 to Sept. 20 time period, CAPA calculates that four major Chinese carriers — Air China, China Eastern, China Southern and Hainan — will send 2,028 flights to the U.S. per week, compared to 1,853 a week from U.S. airlines.”
I suppose the US carrier planes fly back, so about 4 k flights per week is what 4,000 x 350 from China to the US Weekly?

Also People without symptoms are infectious for FIVE DAYS and the virus lasts for FIVE DAYS on surfaces.

coosmama

5 days in droplets, like saliva. Up to 14 days in mucus on a surface. They’ve manipulated this virus.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

There could also be multiple strains, and that is then used in a strategy and hidden as “mutation”. E.g., ChiComs give themselves the lite version, but their agents deploy stronger forms here. That would be a very typical ChiCom strategy.

coosmama

As the NEJM states, 85% similar to bat. 15% is a lot of wiggle room.

GA/FL

What is the latest on cCoV morphology?

GA/FL

Typo – nCoV

kea

And just like that the stock market goes Dow 300 points…

TheseTruths

The Left would love for the economy to tank before the election.

GA/FL
Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Very important to get and preserve ALL STAGES of virus samples chronologically, and particularly in the US, but also from China (our capture, not given by them). If the ChiComs are using a PHASED RELEASE STEALTH BIOWARFARE PLAN, then forensics will show the stepped deployment masquerading as mutation.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Notice how this would be a typical case of self-infliction HOAXING – which was TAUGHT to our SJWs by CHYYYNNAA. What’s ingenious is that they can back out at any time if they think we’re onto them. COUGH. Note the further immunological ingenuity. They hit themselves with what amounts to the COWPOX of the virus – many of them get it – then a vaccine under cover of the epidemic – they all get it – then they hit US with the SMALLPOX version of it, for which they’ve already proven both the cowpox version of the virus AND their own vaccine to give immunity. The total drama then becomes “communist virus theater”. The GENIUS of it is that it allows biowarfare to be carried out by FAKING an epidemic. Even the “biowarfare study accident” cover is strong enough to hide the ACTUAL BIOWARFARE.
Of course, only people who EXPECT such evil from communists will see the hand tip.
Communism and viruses are a BAD MIX. No ChiComs in labs.

coosmama

Rather lengthy and minor weeds, but explains coronavirus in general, and starts with a small bit on nCOv.
https://www.uptodate.com/contents/coronaviruses?search=coronavirus&source=search_result&selectedTitle=1~47&usage_type=default&display_rank=1#H1322470207

Dora

Dora
BlackKnightRides

Not seeing any media speculation yet … incredibly
… on how the lack of movement will emaciate supply chains.

kea

LOL

BlackKnightRides

Travel ban is coming … followed by sudden get-the-hell out of China manufacturing.

BlackKnightRides
BlackKnightRides

Posted last week:
When will countries EXPEL Chinese for self-preservation?
Well, well, well:
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/philippines-deport-500-chinese-people-prevent-spread-coronavirus

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

NOW do people get why CHINESE ILLEGALS MATTER?

Gail Combs

AND MEXICAN ILLEGALS!
Remember the high presence of Chinese in Mexico AND Mexico City already has a case of the China-virus.
January 23 2020 USA Today – LAX passenger from Mexico City receives medical treatment amid coronavirus fears

BlackKnightRides

Wonder how investors-in-China might be panicking
… since their markets are closed for the Lunar New Year until next MONDAY!
(Now Xi has announced a 2-week extension before Factories reopen)

BlackKnightRides

Anybody want to import products from China
… that workers might have sneezed with CoronaVirus?

BlackKnightRides

FoxBusiness from CDC:
“Everyone in the city [of Wuhan] is required to stay put in an attempt to contain it”
… recognizing how well infected people self-quarantine. 🙄
“The CDC reiterated that the chances of getting the virus here in the States is ‘still low’.”
“They also answered a question about the possibility of getting the virus from PACKAGED GOODS that are imported from China.”
“They say that the virus doesn’t survive ‘well’ on ITEMS
… it ‘does better’ in HUMANS and ANIMALS.”
“But they DIDN’T rule out that possibility.”

BlackKnightRides

“It is a HIGHLY INFECTIOUS and HIGHLY CONTAGIOUS virus”
“The number of CASES is DOUBLING almost DAILY.”
“The number of DEATHS is going up SLOWLY”
… at this early stage
… if you trust Chinese reporting
… after a Chinese nurse reported 90,000 cases vs the government’s 3,000.

coosmama

Yep, as above, survives 5-8 days in saliva droplet, up to 14 days in mucous on surface. Will see if I can post journal link without copywrite issue.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yes – virucidal activity is a different animal.
Modern Lysol (quaternary alkylammonium saccharinates) kills a long list of viruses on surfaces.

Deplorable Patriot

Aside from clothing and food, are there any guidelines for “country of origin” on other consumable products?

BlackKnightRides

Relax, though … CDC says they should be able to BEGIN TESTING a vaccine in April.

BlackKnightRides

Victims told not to worry:
Although there’s NO TREATMENT, you can take aspirin for the fever and drink fluids.

yamabudo

😂

MAGA Mom

cautious about Aspirin with this!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously, was Aspirin specifically recommended?

MAGA Mom

why I ask….
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/49/9/1405/301441
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
And there are specific illness for which aspirin is Not a harmless/good helper to the symptoms

Volgarian8301

Aspirin should not be given to children with viral illness

MAGA Mom

More on aspirin & spanish flu epidemic of 1918.
https://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/13/health/13aspirin.html
My greatgranfather passed away in that epidemic and change the course of our family history. Grandmother was just a toddler. made a big difference to many people’s lives as it took young and middle aged adults v. just the older, already ill and very young

BlackKnightRides

Actually it was painkillers … IIRC Tylenol, etc.

ozzytrumpster

Laudenham was very common in use then.

BlackKnightRides

The “aspirin” was a throwback to military days … “take 2 aspirin and drive on, soldier”.

Concerned Virginian

4PM news report, 106.1FM Talk Radio, Raleigh:
The CDC just updated:
110 suspected cases of the Wuhan Coronavirus spread over 26 states in the U.S. now being tested.
“We expect that there will be many more cases.”

BlackKnightRides

Message to CDC: DUH.

Dora

Analyst Says Cases of Coronavirus Probably 10 Times Higher Than Official Number
Says it’s “a much bigger issue than people realize.”
https://summit.news/2020/01/27/analyst-says-cases-of-coronavirus-probably-10-times-higher-than-official-number/

BlackKnightRides

Good news for those looking for a vacation get-away:
We can expect a real boom in air travel and cruises to mingle with boatloads of unvetted strangers.😳

BlackKnightRides

As reported by a Chinese survivor of Tiananmen Square who investigated their SARS outbreak:
5 MILLION people had left Wuhan for their Lunar New Year
… to mingle-with-others-elsewhere
… before China quarantined the city.
Way to go, Xi!
Closed the gates after the horses had left the barn.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Sounding more and more intentional. They need to know that we can prove biowarfare if they try to sneak in a killer as a mutation.

BlackKnightRides

MASSIVE Third-World Cities will be incapable of containing a CoronaVirus break-out.
The same countries that welcomed Chinese infiltration to run Belt & Road infrastructure projects.

BlackKnightRides

Remember the recent reports of CHINESE apprehended crossing the Mexican Border?
We’ll literally see MILLIONS Mexicans and Central Americans fleeing north to evade any break-out
Guess how Demo☭rats’ opposition to the border wall will play in the 2020 election.
NEVER FORGET the Demo☭rats’ BROADCAST GAMEPLAN:
• TEAR DOWN the WALL
• OPEN our BORDERS
• ELIMINATE Border Patrol and ICE

Dora

BlackKnightRides

Looks like Xi has inflicted a WMD on the Global Economy.
As others have noted, this could become Xi’s CHERNOBYL.
Will China and the Chinese people become GLOBAL PARIAHS?

BlackKnightRides

How bout a Trump Team CLOSING ARGUMENT:
“This SCAMpeachment had NOTHING to do with Ukraine
… it was ONLY about Demo☭rats’ DEMANDS for OPEN BORDERS
… they’re trying to take out the ONLY President who’s worked TIRELESSLY to CONTROL our BORDERS
… against the INVASION of ILLEGAL ALIENS and now the CoronaVirus!”
“They’re IMPEACHING President Trump
… just as their SANCTUARY CITIES become CoronaVirus BREEDING GROUNDS
… KILLING OFF the CITIZEN SUCKERS who elected them!”

BlackKnightRides

Their HOMELESS MILLIONS were bad enough with their needles, feces and disease.
Watch them become CoronaVirus CARRIERS
… with no way to detect them as they spread it for 2 weeks before symptoms appear!

Gail Combs

LA and San Fran-feces will no longer have a druggie/homeless problem as the china-virus kills off most of the druggies.
WORSE (and I just checked) druggies think Horse and meth makes them immune to disease. In actuality they just do not feel the symptoms. Also they are NOT about to go to a hospital for help so in some ways they are worse off then the Chinese in cities.

BlackKnightRides

This may be why San Fran-feces just activated their Crisis “Management” Center … which will no doubt Herd-the-Homeless to their final resting places.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

This is the beginning of the ramp-up. First we say limit our travel there, then we limit it back.

ozzytrumpster

At the risk of sounding like a cold hearted evil bitch this could be win win
Even if it derails the trade deal a total embargo on exports from China , worldwide would be ……not a bad start
And 2 they can’t feed their population, even if it’s diminished, so they have to import food. There could be extreme measures taken to offload stuff to China. They can pay by wire.
Goodbye deficit!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I’m really thinking this was pre-emptive for the SUPER CHINA HUSTLE to be exposed. I’m thinking that their economics were a far grander lie than even the “China Hustle” story. Then they see that Trump has actually rigged impeachment to blow up on the Chinacrats, and splatter back on China.
ANSWER – SELF-HOAXING. Anything to save The Party.

ozzytrumpster

And even if it is an uncontrolled virus there we have better medical facilities and a better chance at quarantine

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Check this out:
“Propaganda Photo of ‘Coronavirus Hospital’ Posted by Communist Chinese State Newspaper is Actually Alibaba Stock Photo”
Here’s the propaganda:
https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1221721857319043072
Here’s the source of the photo:comment image
Here’s the article:
https://nationalfile.com/photo-of-coronavirus-hospital-posted-by-chinese-state-newspaper-is-actually-alibaba-stock-photo/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=photo-of-coronavirus-hospital-posted-by-chinese-state-newspaper-is-actually-alibaba-stock-photo
Here is more info on REAL hospital:
China Posts Video of ‘Hospital’ Trailers With Steel Bars on Windows, Locks on Outside
The video was tweeted out by a Chinese government official.comment image
https://nationalfile.com/china-posts-video-of-hospital-trailers-with-steel-bars-on-windows-locks-on-outside/
Lot of good and “not so good, but maybe funny” articles at nationalfile.com

GA/FL

Such is the nature of the Communist totalitarian state.
Devoid of humanity, low value of human life.

BlackKnightRides

SPECULATION: CHINA’s Xi RELEASED the CoronaVirus as cover for ECONOMIC IMPLOSION
Breadcrumbs:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/chinas-economy-teeters-as-coronavirus-hits_3218051.html

Gail Combs

Also allows China a reason for a preemptive crack down BEFORE the riots spread through out the country.

kalbokalbs

This is warped…Xi scores a twofer. Throttles down riots sparked by crappy economy AND Freedom seekers, such as Hong Kong.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I’m not putting it past them. Not at all.

Volgarian8301

Gives them a whole new batch of organ donors, too

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Wow. Although they will need to by immune.
YIKES.

Volgarian8301

Think they will let a little old thing like immunity get in the way?

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

True. If only 3-4% of the transplant patients die of the virus, it’s not a bad trade-off in many cases.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

(“Bad” depending upon whether you’re the “original owner”, the ChiComs, or the new recipient, and the level of desperation of the latter.)

kalbokalbs

Short video 3:47 explains Singapore government policy select groups returning from China. Essentially 14 days mandatory stay home.
Had the good fortune to live in Singapore 92-95. Great country. Aggressive government. further validated America is Number One;-)
FTA
Wuhan virus: 14 days leave of absence for those in Singapore schools, healthcare and eldercare who travelled to China
A 14-day leave of absence will be imposed for students and workers in schools, healthcare and eldercare, upon their return to Singapore from China – one of the measures by Singapore’s multi-ministry task force to curb the spread of the Wuhan virus.
*https://www.straitstimes.com/global Video is about half way down page. Straits Times is Singapore’s main newspaper.

🦋🤸‍♀️🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🤸‍♀️🦋

Wonder what the hell’s happening in North Korea??? All those workers (illegally) back and forth, we’ll probably hear absolutely nothing.

🦋🤸‍♀️🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🤸‍♀️🦋

Good move!

Concerned Virginian

Doesn’t Communist China have its tentacles in African countries — “trade agreements” / “students”, etc.?
WTH would there otherwise be a Chinese “student” in KENYA?

Concerned Virginian

Some thoughts:
First, there are reports that millions of potentially-infected Chinese were traveling for the Lunar New Year holiday who would fit WITHIN the 10 – 14 day incubation period for Wuhan Coronavirus. (“The Jim Bohannon Show” on 680WPTF last night — he had an MD on who spoke about this possibility)
Second, the first KNOWN cases of the virus in Wuhan were reported over a MONTH ago to Chinese authorities.
Third. it is ENTIRELY possible that this Mayor Zhou knew what was going on EARLIER — that he informed Beijing — and that he was told to SHUT UP about it, to keep “potential panic” down.
Fourth, so NOW Mayor Zhou is coming forward because his hand was forced by information getting out anyway and because the citizenry is panicked (so Beijing’s clampdown on information didn’t work).
Fifth, it will be interesting to see how Beijing deals with Mayor Zhou now — exile / show trial and prison / show trial and execution. Could well be that Zhou will be sacrificed in order to “save face” for Beijing.

Gail Combs

NOT GOOD THIRD CASE in Orange County CA</b.

Larry Ledwick says:
27 January 2020 at 2:01 am
Asymptomatic spread is pretty well confirmed with this item.
Clearly show potential for several days of symptom free while infectious.

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EM says:
Watching a video now claiming 4 in Australia and Canada now at 4. (John Hopkins map shows 5 in Au.)

Gail Combs

From EM (ChiefIO) Date of map is 1/26/2020comment image

Gail Combs

Forgot to add
“Note the LAX passenger arrived from Mexico City, so Mexico is likely to go up. May stop the migrant problem…” — EM Smith aka ChiefIO

Volgarian8301

Gail Combs

More from Larry…

Colorado Department of Health is living up to its usual tepid performance has two tweets on the 24th about the suspected case they are monitoring and absolutely no updates or status info past that. No one wants to talk about it. CDH was painfully political when I worked for the state probably still is only worse. If this stuff gets into the homeless crowds in sanctuary cities like Denver, San Francisco, New York, Chicago etc. it will run wild and be unstoppable in the inner cities.
All you need is one asymptomatic drug user sharing tokes or needles with his buddies and you have a big mess very quickly.

Larry Ledwick says:
27 January 2020 at 4:14 am

…I think that is more a case of catching up with the problem than real increases. The last couple days of announced numbers have hovered around 35% more or less.
As you noted epidemic exponential growth only occurs early in the epidemic, the proper name for it is a logistic growth curve as it is limited by the total number of people still available to infect.
That means the growth slows down after the initial surge as more and more people either recover and become immune (effectively creating herd immunity in the population ) and the number of people who are still susseptible shrink to near zero.
As a result the logistic curve looks like a stretched out S. Right now we are at the early part of the exponential up sweep as the infection gets a good grip on the population and there are large numbers of carriers and abundant susceptible people left to infect.
Growth will go linear in a few weeks / months.
The Spanish flu epidemic did its worst damage in weeks 14 – 26, I suspect this virus will do the same but be just a bit earlier so the worst time if that proves true will be something like late February and March.

Gail Combs

More good info from Larry.

Larry Ledwick says:
27 January 2020 at 8:13 am
Well here it is confirmation from someone in a position to know.
The Wuhan outbreak of 2019-nCoV is Waaaaay bigger than the official numbers.
Key takeaway so far
1, Wuhan is estimated to have over 25,000 confirmed cases and over 43,000 infections
2, Wuhan lockdown doesn’t really help to stop spreading in other major cities in China

3, Chongqing can be the most affected,followed by Beijing Shanghai Guangzhou Shenzhen

HKU Med School head Gabriel Leung is meeting press with a mask on. He is going to announce new estimation of #nCoV2019 .

For those sick enough to go to the hospital ~14% death rate. This is close to the Lancet report of early cases, ~15%

Gail Combs

Interesting hypothesis that this outbreak is older than suspected but was misdiagnosed as severe influenza and typical seasonal pneumonia etc.
http://www.trackingzebra.com/new-blog/2020/1/26/a-hypothesis-about-ncov2019-thinking-about-patient-1-and-patient-0
Mutation

GA/FL

Russia’s totalitarianism and China’s are just short of NKorea.

Gail Combs

GA/FL,
p.g.sharrow and E.M. Smith have an interesting discussion on how this could break the back of the Chinese Communist Party starting HERE. It depends on how lethal it is for older people. Totalitarian dictatorships are too ‘brittle’ to handle this type of stuff.
Larry’s screen shot from yesterday:comment image

GA/FL

It sure could. I’ll try to remember to read. So much going on – huh?

Gail Combs

Larry Ledwick says:
27 January 2020 at 8:41 am

It appears the R0 estimates are stabilizing and calculations with different methods are coming up with similar values near 2.6
Dr Kevin Purcell

@kevinpurcell
Follow Follow @kevinpurcell
MoreDr Kevin Purcell Retweeted Ronan Kelly
2744 cases
80 fatalities
2.9% “mortality rate”
Still about 3%.
An under estimate from the known cases given statistical censorship bias (they haven’t had time to die yet) but we also don’t know the number of mild cases yet.

David A responds

If the 2.6 RO calculations are based on official government numbers, ( which appears to be the case) and the reported 45 k to 90 plus thousand cases in Wuhan are correct, those R0 numbers are very wrong and extremely dangerous to any other nations planned response to this evolving potential pandemic….
….if this becomes a global panic, I will be deeply and profoundly grateful to have Donald Trump at the helm of this nation.

(David is a bit of a pessimist BTW based on his comments over the years.)
M Simon says:
Responding to “A natural R0 of around 2.5 is all you need to run a nuclear reactor. All those prompt neutrons.”

Let us look at a 33% increase per day. About 7.3x per week.
10 weeks 460 million increase. If we are starting from 1,000 infected today. The whole world is infected. In fact the whole world was infected in week 9. Now compare that with my 6 to 8 week estimates with a 17X per week increase…..

And from E.M. Smith
“BBC reported 1/2 million medical staff dispatched to Hubai Provence. You don’t send that much staff for 2000 sick people.”

This is maddning. A sweep through a bunch of the usual news channels has the USA ones all fixated on the impeachment farce. Nothing about 2019-nCoV or China. That is near criminal negligence. TDS ahead of probable lethal global pandemic health crisis.
Between government complacency letting plane loads from Wuhan wander off into the general population and media TDS Fixation; we’re not doing what must be done to stop the disease spread and prepare for the damage and quarantine.

I Certainly Agree with EM and Wolfie SHUT DOWN TRAVEL FROM CHINA AND ISOLATE/TEST those already here.
https://twitter.com/Caroline_OF_B/status/1221628145406742528

Gail Combs

Larry
https://twitter.com/Caroline_OF_B/status/1221628145406742528
“This is really an apples to watermelon comparison, given current numbers on 2019-nCov are early development of pandemic vs very old well reported historical out breaks, but gives some useful benchmark numbers for future reference. When official cases substantially exceed the SARS and MERS numbers (or 20 weeks down the road) it will be a bit more useful to revisit the comparable tallies.”

“Unfortunately my vacation time is over so will not be able to watch things quite as closely as I have when I was on personal leave, but at this point the outline of what is going on is pretty well documented and we just have to watch the tally to see what is going on.” (Dang! Larry is very good at this type of stuff. IIRC he worked at NORAD at one point.)

Gail Combs

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E.M.Smith says:
27 January 2020 at 7:21 pm

Stefan Molyneux interviews by phone a ” friend ” in Hong Kong. A bit conspiracy theory on origin, but with the interesting bit that locals knew this was started back in October and the Government were hiding the numbers. This would validate the earlier transmission date that I said I doubted due to the rapid rise of cases. This IMHO lends credence to both. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zEIQuRg-m4

If it was NOT reported for two months, it would explain this image.comment image
So how many ‘Viral Pneumonia’ cases in the USA were misdiagnosed this winter??
Also will add these from EM:
“The system requires a positive test to add a patient to the count, and at least one report said they ran out of test kits…”
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“…..Just heard that the 1000 or so folks the USA is going to evacuate from Wuhan “will be screened when they debord the plane in San Francisco”… Oh lucky me… Want to bet it is the same protocol of “no fever? Go home, call us if you get symptoms”?
So sometime in the next week I get 1000 folks from virus central dumped out 50 miles from me. Then a bunch will likely scatter over the whole country.”

Remember these folks HAVE NO FOOD AT HOME so the first thing they will do is head for the store… in San Fran-feces

Gail Combs

Growth outpacing predictions:comment imagecomment image
“Another chart comparing infection rate between 2019-nCoV and SARS.
Chart was outdated 3 hours after it was published.”
— Larrycomment image
“Infectious disease outbreaks are not that unusual they simply quietly kill and then get forgotten if you don’t live in the region they ravage. Media has a short memory until it happens again.” — Larrycomment image

Gail Combs

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

WOW – this is HUGE. Looks like BIOWARFARE.

Cuppa Covfefe

There was a tweet, ostensibly from a UK “CDC” professional who claimed that the Coronavirus was indeed a bioweapon, set up so that a flu virus was host/vector of another virus which then did the damage (almost like a computer virus where the “prep vector” could lead to any of a number of payloads).
This tweet was pretty much dismissed as a fake/hyperbole/false flag. Now I wonder…
Another thing – with the ChiComs’ economy tanking, birth rate falling, and the ratio of child-bearing-age women to men being less than 1:2 (or something like that), could there be some “targeted culling” going on? The only other option would be a war…

Gail Combs

It is hitting the older population. The kids get the sniffles and grandpa gets pneumonia and dies.
China has a major problem with an aging population.comment image

Gail Combs

Yeah, I thought you would be interested in that Wolfie.

Gail Combs

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Gail Combs

Larry Ledwick says:
28 January 2020 at 5:55 pm

….That young mild response could explain the apparent asymptomatic transmission issue. Healthy teenager or sub-teen gets the bug has the sniffles and feels cruddy but since that is pretty normal for kids during the cold and flu season does not make much of an issue about it but being a kid is also careless about behaviors that turn them into vectors for the more mature adults.
10 days later Grandpa is very very sick, but no one knows the kid had it first.

Symptoms of 2019-nCoV infection first week
Abundant Heaven TCM
‏@bay_acupuncture
4 minutes ago
“The symptoms for the 1st week are that the patients have a low fever, or no fever, fatigue, weakness, as well as a lot of digestive symptoms, such as poor appetite, nausea, diarrhea, and tightness in the chest. Most have a dry or sore throat.” #2019nCoV
Africa braces for arrival of 2019-nCoV
https://allafrica.com/stories/202001280005.html
https://allafrica.com/view/group/main/main/id/00071759.html

Gail Combs

Up date as of today via Larry. Seems the quarantine in China was useless.comment image

nikkichico7

I found this on the Qanon.pub for today, January 28, 2020comment image
I will post it to the open thread for today also.
… 🙂👍❤️🇺🇸❤️‼️ …

nikkichico7

This is with the above … 👇🏻🤨🤚 …comment image
😉👍

nikkichico7

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File (hide): 84d5801aa3b46f8⋯.png (226.34 KB, 1562×1789, 1562:1789, AQ3.png) (h) (u)
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Adding to Anon’s meme from (PB)
Check Charles Lieber’s students.
All Chinese Nationals.
All worked at Harvard.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_M._Lieber
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hongjie_Dai
https://en.wikipedia

nikkichico7

I don’t know but I’ll definitely take a number to kick those nasty butts 🤨‼️ …
Love ya sweetie .. ☺️🤚❤️ ..

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Just FYI – Trump administration statement on coronavirus out today – strong and smart.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/healthcare/all-options-are-on-the-table-trump-administration-considers-more-travel-restrictions-as-coronavirus-spreads
Airport scanning increased:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/28/trump-administration-says-coronavirus-is-potentially-very-serious-public-health-threat.html
HHS – noon today:

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy
Cuppa Covfefe

Interesting: on the lead picture, the woman on the right looks like she’s about to cry…
Methinks this is no small disaster…
Pandora’s pandemic…
(I pray that it’s NOT)…

kalbokalbs

Corona virus.
Below video reportedly from Wuhan resident. Sobering. unfortunately zero factual details, like numbers ill, dead, indications problem spreading rapidly… Also guessing this person may actually be in Hong Kong…easy to smuggle out if Internet shut down. AND, whoever he is, re-education camps in his future. Almost twelve minute video at link below. Could not locate it on YT.
*https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/01/watch-wuhan-citizen-risks-his-life-to-tell-the-truth-about-the-coronavirus-situation-in-wuhan-china/
Me thinks, worth a listen. Subtitles in English.

kalbokalbs

One more Corona virus.
Singapore, IMO may be a good source for Corona virus information. Wikipedia, in part says Singapore is a flawed democracy. I say yea, the government wields a heavy hand. They error on safety, security and “what is best for all”. HONESTY is a hallmark in Singapore government, IMO. There are nearly six million residents with 50 square miles. AND they hugely dependent on manufacturing stuff to export, financial hub, etc.
Proximity to China a plus.
^^^ Above is in part what drives me to trust Singapore on Corona. Certainly can’t trust Chinese on anything, especially corona. AND, within USG, I really only trust President Trump. AND, he relies on USG, other countries and his instincts. The latter paramount.
Straits Times, Singapore largest newspaper link below. Lots of Corona news.
*https://www.straitstimes.com/global
FTA
The health commission of China’s Hubei province said on Tuesday that 100 people had died from the virus as of Jan 27, according to an online statement, up from the previous toll of 76, with the number of confirmed cases in the province rising to 2,714.
Other fatalities have been reported elsewhere in China, including the first in Beijing, bringing the death toll to 106 so far, according to the People’s Daily. The state newspaper put the total number of confirmed cases in China at 4,515, though some experts suspect a much higher number.
*https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/wuhan-virus-death-toll-jumps-to-106-nearly-1300-new-cases-says-chinese-government.

Gail Combs

The problem is the ‘death totals’ are way low because only those that are tested and test positive are counted. Many, esp. early on were listed as viral pneumonia.
This is A LOT WORSE in China than the numbers show.

kalbokalbs

Agree. death totals off. As are those infected. not wise in this realm. But guess, we can only hope for accurate numbers from modern countries…U.S., Japan, SK, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, some in Europe.
Mainly looking to see if trends develop AND learn moar about incubation, transmission, effective treatment.

Cuppa Covfefe

We’ve got at least one in Bayern (Bavaria, guest student returning from China).
Because of the “influx” of “guests” from Africa and the Middle East, we’ve bolstered our facilities for dealing with tropical and infectious diseases. I just hope and pray that Merde-Kuh, et. al., have the backbone to enforce quarantines and travel restrictions.
We’ll see if there really is Coudenhove-Kalergi, population-trimming, or just blind incompetence at play here…
May GOD forgive and help us all…

Gail Combs

More from Larry:comment imagecomment image

Gail Combs

EM Smith (Chiefio)
At a 1.5X a day growth rate.
You get 1,000X in 17 days.
So Feb 15th – 5,000 cases.
About 4 March 5 million cases
About 21 March 5 billion cases.
The climax will come about 14 to 21 March.”

Given that chart, and using USA current cases, the USA has 1/2 the population infected by March 2nd.to 4th. Unless the CDC succeeds. Also the 1-in-a-million risk of exposure comes about Jan 30th and 1 in a hundred at Feb 22.
My personal risk tolerance limits about Feb 7th, but partly just due to California already having cases and being a landing spot for travelers from the East. Nice to have the chart confirm my estimates / guesses.

kalbokalbs

Pretty dire outlook. Increasing personal stocks this week.
IF above trajectory holds, baton down the hatches seems the personal answer. Keep grand kids home from school. Very minimal outings, if any. Essentially quarantine ourselves.
Of course, what is the actual impact is USA. AND moar specifically the actual impact in our specific areas we live. Incubation time. Moar transmission information. Treatment information.
Am I missing something significant. Guessing I am.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

The 138 Chinese number on 1/28 seems on track with this, roughly.

Marica

kalbokalbs

Not intending to jump off a cliff…
Seems like an obvious step stopping ALL flights to / from China. Talking with twinkle sock AND Obrador to do the same. Customs at all border crossings to stop travelers that have been in China recently. Americans in, but screened and quarantined if appropriate.
Cargo ships arriving at our ports, no crew ashore. Figure out how to deal with cargo load adjusts and critical maintenance issues.
There are holes in the above, but it can be refined AND functional.

Marica

Agree!!! and POTUS…………He loves us…unlike Obummer..He would do anything…to protect American citizens!!!! serious.

kalbokalbs

Absolutely, President Trump will do what is right. He listens well. AND instinctively acts logically.
Also believe, the moar the US acts decisively with facts, China is moar apt to do what is right. China has sooo much to lose if they screw up on their end. The US does NOT need China.

Marica

Ya got that right Kalbo! And China crap…………I look now…for a while…But Made in China…SCREAMS—-I wanna screw you America! in my head!!

Gail Combs

New screenshot from Larry.comment image

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yup. British Airways gives cover on this now (see below).

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Trump has cover now. If he waits too long, Scummer will pounce, but Scummer will pounce no matter what, so best to play it sharp and smart no matter what.

Volgarian8301

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Glad you got this one here. I was about to post it.

Sadie Slays

Anon wonders, “If this truly a concerning pandemic, then why aren’t they shutting down container shipping?”
Good question! It’s almost as if this is a Chinese psy-op!comment image

kalbokalbs

Wow. Corona can live on a surface for 28 days? Have been wondering about that. Wonder if it is accurate. Seems a long time. Admittedly I know nothing about the subject.
Travel time, 14 days is about right in good weather and no stops between Chinese and US mainland ports.
AND, absolutely, hollywierd is my last thought and consideration when thinking Corona. Find it odd to invoke hollywierd.

Sadie Slays

The point about Hollyweird is that these wealthy and connected assholes would be the first to flee Los Angeles if there was any serious threat coming into Long Beach port from China.

kalbokalbs

Yep. Always thinking of themselves. I agree. Simply don’t give a shit about hollyweird. Guess the anon was referring to their self centered self importance. i’ll be quiet:-)

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Remember – just because it’s a psy-op, doesn’t mean there aren’t real victims. BLOOD HOAXES are a communist and cabal specialty.
Using a real biological agent and then “doing things about it” was pioneered here in America. They used a HARMLESS agent – but it turned out years later that it was less harmless than people thought, once they examined the epidemiology with modern analysis, and there were a handful of unintentional victims. Don’t remember much more than that – it was in California and they allowed the wind-borne agent to come in from sea. Naval exercise, I think.
Don’t know what’s happening here, but it could be nasty. Stalinists and Maoists do weird calculations. If this epidemic could be engineered to hurt America more than China (see my prior posts on stealthy biowarfare under epidemic cover), then they might think it’s their “next resort” or “last resort” to save their plans for world domination and/or “saving socialism”.

Sadie Slays

I’ve yet to be convinced this is anything worse than the common flu (which has probably killed more Americans in the past week than the WuFlu and garnered zero headlines for it). The Wuhan international airport is still open, container shipping hasn’t been disrupted, and the President seems subtly sarcastic about it in his tweets. I’ll take it seriously when President Trump or Q sounds the alarms.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I’m beginning to think that you may be right, and part of that is my own case of something right now which I believe may be a normal coronavirus, based on symptoms.
At the very least, I think the PSYCHOLOGICAL OPERATION aspects of whatever is going on are 90% of what we are perceiving.
What this is doing is essentially making us FOCUS intensely on “THE CRUD” as epidemic, which we’ve never done before as a society. That focus is all psychological, and it cannot be discounted – it’s significant.
This bug I’ve been having this last week is remarkably similar to the description of the coronavirus, only less malign than even weak flu WITH the shot (my latest reference on flu, from about 5 years ago – I always get the shot).
I’m thinking that people just don’t RECOGNIZE coronaviruses versus common cold rhinoviruses, and thus coronaviruses make a perfect psyop. Unfamiliarity with our own experience – the fact that it never had a NAME – provides gaslighting opportunity.
I believe that NORMAL coronaviruses may be what people in America commonly refer to as “crud” or “the crud”. They are not as serious as the flu, but last as long, and thus longer than most common colds.
This thing I got and mentioned earlier became noticeable on 1/24, when I became lightheaded and disoriented while walking the dog. I actually called my wife and she walked home with me, to make sure I didn’t faint. I presumably contacted it sometime around 1/19 to 1/21, during which time I had a fair amount of contact with others. After we got home, I began to feel the onset of VERY, VERY SLIGHT head cold and laryngeal symptoms, and decided to limit contact with elderly people that I normally have on weekends. The tendency toward faintness and lightheadedness went away in a day or two.
Fever was mild and extremely erratic – did not even feel the need to even take my temperature. A bit of warm-cold confusion from my normal thermals.
Note that this lightheadedness symptom is both real and not serious, thus perfect for DRAMA.
My WIFE caught it from me very quickly. She had the exact same stuff with a phase delay of maybe 2-3 days, so she almost certainly did not catch it from the same source.
The symptoms we both have remarkably sound like both the descriptions of “novel coronavirus” (kinda like saying “novel cold”) and what we have always called “the crud”.
– very mild dry cough
– very mild but very noticeable shortness of breath (I find myself breathing harder and faster on exertion)
– mild neck and head “tension headache”
– very mild eye, ear, nose, throat symptoms
– no real stuffiness, wet cough, etc. – DRY
ALL of this is vastly preferable to any kind of actual SINUS COLD, because it’s dry and mild.
Many people would go out and do their day-to-day with this stuff. It is my consciousness of it, and the fact that it is highly communicable, that is keeping me at home.
My suspicion is that I simply have a weaker NORMAL coronavirus, and that the PSYOP of attention to these things has made me aware of a NORMAL coronavirus, a.k.a. THE CRUD.
SO – I will remain scientifically skeptical until we get numbers from somebody other than Chinese communists.
The phenomenon we are observing may very well be in totality – and almost certainly in part – a demonstration of a primarily mass social psychological phenomenon – “disease new social awareness” – something like autism awareness and other manifestations of emerging mass intelligence. So even if it’s a DUD, it’s a very interesting one.
The question really is the virulence of the variant coming out of China, and we need non-Chinese non-Cabal non-“climate change-type” scientists (i.e., having normal skepticism) to look at things in REAL LIFE outside China, California, and certain other places that simply can’t be trusted.
Socialism breeds social errors. That is at least a FACTOR here, IMO.

Sadie Slays

Sorry to hear that you and your wife are under the weather. Hope you both heal quickly.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Thanks!!! We’re doing well. It’s mild, but it hangs on like crazy. It’s more of a PITA, because I know that I’m very infectious, but not very symptomatic.
Hoping to be better by the weekend!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

QUESTION: Should we “feature” the coronavirus thread at the top of the site? Maybe after the Thursday Rally?

kalbokalbs

Please do roll this thread up periodically.

Volgarian8301

kalbokalbs

Pretty funny. Who’d thought of indoor fishing?

Volgarian8301

Test

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GA/FL

Thank you so much – Volgarian!
This video update really is helpful to understand the exact extent of the threat and what is known as of 1/28.
Dr. Fauci is as impressive as Philbin – man, I could listen to him all day.
Secretary Azar is a real go-getter administrator – like Director Wolf of DHS – and I know PDJT is so glad he was appointed!

GA/FL
Volgarian8301

We need to keep the info above the noise

GA/FL

Amen to that. This video helped me realize it’s not the movie kind of pandemic that is happening with this virus outbreak. Really do appreciate your posting it.

GA/FL

Fauci is a big deal – won the Medal of Freedom – and many other major prizes for his work.
Even has a quotes page – https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/anthony-fauci-quotes
An HIV researcher, I bet he is the one who has convinced PDJT that an AIDS vaccine/cure is possible.
Of course, HIV is 100% preventable.

Volgarian8301

kalbokalbs

FTA
…Chinese authorities revealed on Thursday morning that the number of recorded infections of the virus now exceed 7,700 thousand, with at least 170 people dead. 38 of the deaths occurred in the past 24 hours.
Slightly over 2% death rate.
Slightly over 20% of deaths previous 24 hours.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yes, I’d say after the rally for sure. We will have a lot of attention on the site for the rally – perfect to swap in the virus update thread.

Gail Combs

Daughn,
I do not think so.
If there is any OH MY! stuff, I and others are posting it on the open thread.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I’m thinking of moving this one to the top after the rally tonight. Or maybe THEN a new one.

Volgarian8301

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

This is the same cruise line that had the accident (Costa Concordia, IIRC).

Volgarian8301

Hmmmm, that’s interesting

Volgarian8301

Gail Combs

llanfar says:
29 January 2020 at 4:02 am
From an online MD acquaintance of my cousin whom he interacted with for 20+ years.
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Let me be really blunt here. PAY ATTENTION!
I’ll put this in terms of Trump’s earlier tweet.
“We are in very close communication with China concerning the virus.” YES WE ARE – both officially (full of PC lies) and unofficially (in direct contact with researchers and family members of researcher that are in this country.)
“Very few cases REPORTED in the USA, but strongly on watch.” Reported by the political CDC. They are SCUM – they will do anything not to create a panic. I know they lie specifically due to the “boots on ground” work my boss has done on ebola and SARS. “Officially” there are few confirmed nCoV cases publicized in the US. There are a whole bunch of people being investigated. There are even MORE secondary contacts. Case in point, in my own town we have an individual who came in on the same flight as the first positive in Washington state. NO ONE has officially contacted him or his family. (We are feeding him facts and recommendations at a distance.)
“We have offered China and President Xi any help that is necessary.” We have University links to several research facilities in China and directly with personnel there. The Fake News reports and the clinical reports we’ve received so far are dramatically different. There is a lot of high-quality information coming in directly to and from researchers. Chinese politics will “save face”. Researchers are saving lives and getting the technical information out.
“Our experts are extraordinary!” Absolutely! My boss has a 200+ IQ (tested). He has US patents out the ying-yang. He has spoken directly with the President in the past. His team is just as extraordinary. I am responsible for the medical health of that team (Don’t ask how this dumbass Emergency Physician got linked into this group – I just consider it a privilege to know these people that make a profound difference in the world EVERY DAY.)

HERE ARE THE FACTS AS I KNOW THEM:
1. They have traced the virus back to “Patient 0” (I can’t find anymore unclassified information about him.) .
2. The original virus contains gene sequences from a “Civit” (cat like), “Krate Snake” and “Horseshoe Bat”. There is a great argument about who ate/got infected by whom first. The exotic meat of all three were sold at the Meat Market at WuHan. The possibility of a weaponized/engineered virus has NOT been ruled out.
3. There is a HIGH suspicion this can be transmitted to/from snakes, domestic cats and bats though that is unproven at this time.
4. The virus has evolved TOWARD better human to human transmission and IS continuing to do so.
5. The PUBLIC numbers from China are EXTREMELY LOW. (Direct information to researchers in the US from family of researchers that are in the field themselves. You can dispute all the videos and statements coming out of China, but that fact remains they are reacting much more aggressively in response to this than the seasonal flu that kills thousands times the current “official” nC0V numbers.)
6. The current OFFICIAL rate of sustained infection (R0) is 1.4 to 2.6. Anything over 1 is considered to be self-sustaining. (I suspect that number is much higher due to undocumented infections, whether hidden, self-quarantined, mis-diagnosed or unable to see a documenting health professional. )
7. Current (well documented) incubation is 1-14 days.
8. Infected can shed virus 2-5 days BEFORE showing symptoms of their infection.
9. Surface survival of the virus is approximately 15 minutes (Exposed to sun and chemicals) and up to 7+ days when not exposed to high moisture and UV radiation. (WuHan is a big manufacturing area for the world – Budweiser Beer has been produced there since the mid-90’s. Think of all the exports. Think of the contact spread of the virus.)
10. You have to get a certain number of viri to produce an infection. That number is unknown. Avoid areas where people/germs can concentrate (planes, trains, autos, meeting rooms, etc.)
THINGS TO DO:
– Stay home.
– Don’t allow visitors.
– Wash your hands, wash your hands, wash your hands – for 20 seconds at least, and with soap (Don’t depend on hand sanitizers – some are not effective and people don’t always use them properly).
– Wash your hands before putting anything in your mouth.
– Nothing in mucus membranes (Eyes, ears, nose, mouth, vagina, anus). Sorry Ladies and Gentleman, you are going to have to put away your toys for the duration.
– Don’t touch your face.
– Avoid crowds, gatherings, clinics and ESPECIALLY hospitals.
– If you have to go out as this develops, mask, gloves, whole body clothing – then launder/shower when home.
– Prep for sheltering-in-place for a minimum of 2 weeks.
– Get it done!
HERE IS WHAT I AM DOING:
Yes, I have to work.
For simple masks we only use N-100s. Anything less is insufficient (will leak during normal activities and are uncomfortable to wear for an extended period of time – read you will touch the outer surface repeatedly to adjust it – BAD) and in the case of surgical masks – those ear loop pieces of cloth/paper, can enhance the spread of the infection when they get wet from regular respirations (20 minutes). BTDT
We use clear wrap around protective lenses generally and goggles for bad stuff. The goggles work well as I can keep my glasses on.
The house has several HEPA air filters, both floor units and high-grade AC filters in the forced air unit (pain in the butt to replace every 3 months).
We wipe everything with Clorox Clean-ups (switches, door handles, railings, anything your hand touches). We wash is as high as temperature as permissible – bodies, clothing, dishes, etc.
We are now experimenting with UV-C hand wands for non-wipe-able items.
RETURNING FROM A DAY AT THE CLINIC:
I come in the basement door and drop my clothing in the laundry or directly into the washer. Doctor bag stays in the basement. (We are experimenting with UV-C lighting for the laundry when we are not there). Shoes/Doctor bag get sprayed with Lysol or UV wanded. From there, I head directly to the shower and redress in clean clothing. The wife wipes everything I’ve touched down with Clorox Cleanups. Only then do I kiss the wife, play with the dogs, get something to eat, and check my e-mails. After that, its time to drag the wife off to bed for some fun. Since the AIDS epidemic way back when, we agreed to share any lethal bug I might contract in my job – personal choice.
This procedure of stripping and showering got my physician Grandfather through the Spanish Flu without infection as he saw patients in their homes daily. We actually read it in my Grandmother’s diary and adopted the practice here.
I will provide more information as it becomes available. Please don’t hit me with PMs or open questions. I don’t have the time and get really snarky when I get exhausted.
Good luck and Godspeed.
, MD, FACEP

kalbokalbs

^^^ Great info,

GA/FL

It’s not going very well in China…..

Gail Combs

GOOD News: The evacuees from Wuhan China will under go a quarantine hold when they arrive in California.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yes, that’s good. SMART. This will – if there are any cases – lead to early numbers from OUTSIDE CHINA on viral lethality.

Gail Combs

Exactly what I was thinking Wolfie.
We will have those numbers (195 people) and also the numbers from that cruise liner Costa Crociere, off the coast of Italy, with almost 6,000 Passengers. Two are infected.
The problem is the Chinese LIE!

Sadie Slays

I heard it called “Winnie the Flu” today. That’s officially my new nickname for it.

Gail Combs

Sadie,
I think Larry wrote this especially for you… Note: I have ‘known’ Larry for years and trust his intellect.
“…all you can do is wait and watch at this point, assuming you have taken care of obvious issues that would crop up if it goes ballistic in the rest of the world or your back yard.
This thread sums it up pretty much, most people have little understanding of and poor visualization of exponential growth and what it is capable of (as evidenced by some of the financial decisions we make every day)”

https://twitter.com/sriramchs/status/1222516011821346816
“We (those of us who watch such things) have known for 100 years that sooner or later the 1918 Spanish flu outbreak would be repeated under another name. It was just a matter of time.
Is this that repeat or the new small pox or another near miss like SARS MERS and Ebola?
This history of infections diseases exploding out of no where and cutting down the population in wholesale lots is well documented but most people are either ignorant of that history or although aware push it to the back of their mind because they don’t want to cope with the thought that a few thousand miles away a million people could die in a matter of days due an odd happenstance of probability and genetic drift.”

….
I consider it foolish to ignore a virus that target kills the old with compromised health. That would be me and Hubby.

Sadie Slays

I’m not skeptical because of “inability to comprehend exponential math.” I’m skeptical because I remember people were saying the exact same thing in 2009 over the Swine Flu. People in the truth communities were absolutely convinced that Hussein was going to forcibly vaccinate people for Swine Flu and send the refusers to the nearest FEMA camp. We’ve been here before—SARs, MERs, Swine Flu, Zika, ebola in America. I’ve yet to read anything convincing that Winnie the Flu won’t be more of the same fear-mongering.
Meanwhile, the international airport in Wuhan is still open, container shipping is normal, and POTUS is holding multiple rallies and practically goading the Chinese on Twitter. If this is truly a super serious pandemic, then it certainly doesn’t seem like it. I trust President Trump when he says, “it will all work out well.” POTUS and Q have more info on the matter than Larry (who I’m sure means well, but doesn’t have the resources of the US military).

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

With lethality numbers jumping between 2% and 6.8% just recently, I’m going to keep my CLIMATE CHANGE SKEPTICISM on 11.
We need AMERICAN DATA.

kalbokalbs

Like the projection and reality table above.
Would like to see the same for NOT China. Then US numbers.
Other countries, continents OK.
I fully expect China to continue imploding. They lack honesty, guessing they lack the ability to be proactive and so many doubts about their capacity to manage on the medical scene. AND, how do they feed millions that are quarantined.
BUT, my guess is we’ll be OK. That doesn’t imply I have not increased my prepping stuff onhand.
One area I am surely clueless. Face mask needed. What type?

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I personally like the pro painter masks with screw-in canisters for chemical exposure. Even old expired cartridges would work here. Pair with splash goggles and there is zero droplet path.

kalbokalbs

Thanks.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I used models like this, with the proper cartridges, to work in rooms that were essentially filled with tear gas. Air was fresh and odorless through the approved canisters. I used regular splash goggles instead of full face, but I may have sealed the vents. In any case, bothersome concentrations of lachrymators never reached my eyes.comment image
Light duty paint cartridges would be more than enough, IMO.

kalbokalbs

Great info. Masks are the hole in my prep.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

One of the problems is that we may not be factoring in asymptomatic cases.
How would one PSYOP with a normal coronavirus in a CLIMATE COMMIE WAY?
Easy. Do everything you can to make sure that asymptomatic and mild cases are simply not:
self-identified
doctor-identified
reported
included
That will jack up the death numbers HUGELY. Indeed, if coronaviruses in general have a problem of high percentages of asymptomatic or low-symptomatic infections, they lend themselves toward psy-ops.
Once I put my mind to this, I can see that it’s even easier to lie about viruses than it is about climate. And the SCARE factor is huge.
Maintain healthy skepticism until NORMAL SKEPTICAL SCIENTISTS (not climate commie types) can analyze properly.

Gail Combs

For those of us ‘At Risk’ (Over 60 with breathing problems) watching the situation closely and taking proactive measures, as you would for a hurricane just makes sense. It is not money you would not be spending anyway, it is just thinking forward to limit exposure.
1. Limit your exposure by shopping when the crowds are not around.
2. WASH YOUR HANDS and DO NOT TOUCH YOUR FACE
3. Stock the pantry/freezer (You have to eat anyway)
4. Make sure you have your paper supplies, alcohol, Clorox, and hand sanitizer already stocked.
5. Make sure your medicine cabinet is stocked and prescriptions filled.
6. it would not hurt to have gloves and masks on hand. (Only possible extra expense except I use them for painting anyway.)
7. IF the situation gets bad and I have to go out, I plan to use my rubber muck boots and use my big oil change pan with Chlorox and water to sanitize my boots before coming into the house. The house is already set-up with a laundry-room with shower a few steps inside the back door.
……
Vitamin C Protects Against Coronavirus

…The physicians of the Orthomolecular Medicine News Service and the International Society for Orthomolecular Medicine urge a nutrient-based method to prevent or minimize symptoms for future viral infection. The following inexpensive supplemental levels are recommended for adults; for children reduce these in proportion to body weight:
Vitamin C: 3,000 milligrams (or more) daily, in divided doses.
Vitamin D3: 2,000 International Units daily. (Start with 5,000 IU/day for two weeks, then reduce to 2,000)
Magnesium: 400 mg daily (in citrate, malate, chelate, or chloride form)
Zinc: 20 mg daily
Selenium: 100 mcg (micrograms) daily
Vitamin C [1], Vitamin D [2], magnesium [3], zinc [4], and selenium [5] have been shown to strengthen the immune system against viruses….

⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️
THAT IS EASY!
It is dealing with feeding 50 animals and possibly having to quarantine my cats that is going to be the real problem.

kalbokalbs

Excellent information. Thanks.

Gail Combs

Larry again:
“This image clearly shows the infection rate exponent for 2019-nCoV is stable and protective actions so far have had very little if any effect on the spread of this virus.”comment image
…………
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.27.20018952v1
“Update: The infection rate R0 of #coronavirus 2019-ncov is estimated at 4.08 new infections per disease. This is very contagious. And the death rate is 6.77%.”
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.27.20018952v1.full.pdf

Using the data described above, [R0] is estimated to be 4.08, indicating that an infected 𝑅 patient infects more than four susceptible people during the outbreak. This value substantially exceeds WHO’s estimate of (supposed to be smaller than ) between 1.4 and 2.5, and is 𝑅0 𝑅 also higher than a recent estimate between 3.6 and 4.0 ( 𝑅 8). Compared against the 2003 0 SARS epidemic, of 2019-nCoV is higher than that of SARS in both Beijing (2.76) and 𝑅 Guangzhou (3.01) (calculated using the same method). To test the robustness of findings, we performed sensitivity analyses by adopting varying values of and , generated from a 𝐿 𝐷 Gaussian distribution with and . The resulting mean of R estimates is 𝐿~𝑁(7,1) 𝐷~𝑁(9,1) 4.08, as expected, with SD=0.36 (95% CI 3.37~4.77).
The SEIRDC model estimates the fatality rate for 2019-nCoV is 6.50%. As a base of comparison, the fatality rate for 2003 SARS was 7.66% and 3.61% for Beijing and Guangzhou, respectively.

“If these numbers are correct there are a lot of unreported or mis-attributed deaths.”
….
MAJOR NOT GOOD!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Still a lot of “if” on that number. The values are jumping around way too much. Reason? BAD DENOMINATOR.

Gail Combs
Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Excellent. I’ve noticed vitamin C helping hugely with the *likely normal coronavirus* I’m experiencing now. I’m a bit over a week into this thing. I’m sure there is some placebo effect, but using it erratically has given me corresponding relief of some symptoms. I think my wife has been taking it, too – she has the same thing (caught it from me).

Volgarian8301

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Excellent! It’s TIME!!!

Volgarian8301

And I’ve got the sniffles 😳😷🤔

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

With a roll of the dice, hopefully it’s a “current” coronavirus that offers some immunity to the new one from China.

Volgarian8301

Feels more like just plain old rhino crud but 🤷. I guess if I face plant on the ground we can worry

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

LOL!
I hate sinus issues, so what I have is preferable, frankly.
Biggest tells to me are these (crud/flu versus cold)
dry versus wet
light-headed versus thick-headed
odd shortness of breath versus understandable difficulty with airways
tension headache versus sinus headache

Volgarian8301

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Volgarian8301

Cruise ship passengers test negative for coronavirus following a lockdown
Two of the vessel’s patrons were cleared of having the virus and were instead diagnosed with H1N2, the Italian Ministry of Health said. The 6,000-passenger ship was forced into quarantine near Rome after the passengers became unwell.

GA/FL

Update – 9,776 cases confirmed world-wide – now 6 cases in USA.
At the last report from CDC/NIH, they said all the US cases had traveled to China.
MAP/DATA – https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

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GA/FL

Press Secretary:

Secretary Azar:

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Sadie Slays

Whoa…Wuhan City is China’s test city for 5G.
“It is expected to be accessible to users at the Military World Games in 2019.
By 2020, 5G network will cover every corner of the city and be available at an affordable price.”
http://en.hubei.gov.cn/news/newslist/201804/t20180416_1275769.shtml
The Military World Games were held in late October 2019. If I’m understanding this correctly, there was an increased rollout of 5G in October, then WuFlu started showing up by December. Did everyone in Wuhan get their immune system nuked by 5G?
I’m still firmly in the “The WuGaloo is a Chinese psy-op,” but the 5G stuff is an interesting angle…

Gail Combs

Pre-print of a study from China (OFFICIAL)
“Estimating the effective reproduction number of the 2019-nCoV in China”
Authors: Zhidong Cao (1), Qingpeng Zhang (1), Xin Lu, Dirk Pfeiffer, Zhongwei Jia, Hongbing Song, Daniel Dajun Zeng

… Early genome sequence and clinical studies of 2019-nCoV provided the evidence of human-to-human transmission and revealed its similarity to as well as differences from SARS (3-5). However, epidemiological investigations of 2019-nCoV are just beginning, and data-driven studies are critically needed to develop insights into this ongoing outbreak….
Using the data described above, is estimated to be 4.08, indicating that an infected 𝑅 patient infects more than four susceptible people during the outbreak. This value substantially exceeds WHO’s estimate of (supposed to be smaller than ) between 1.4 and 2.5, and is 𝑅0 𝑅 also higher than a recent estimate between 3.6 and 4.0 ( 𝑅 8). Compared against the 2003 0 SARS epidemic, of 2019-nCoV is higher than that of SARS in both Beijing (2.76) and 𝑅 Guangzhou (3.01) (calculated using the same method)….
The SEIRDC model estimates the fatality rate for 2019-nCoV is 6.50%. As a base of comparison, the fatality rate for 2003 SARS was 7.66% and 3.61% for Beijing and Guangzhou, respectively. We used the model to predict the confirmed case counts and death counts in the first 80 days of the ongoing 2019-nCoV outbreak….
In conclusion, considering transmissibility and fatality rate, 2019-nCoV poses a major public health threat, at least at the level of 2003 SARS. E
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.27.20018952v1.full.pdf

Affiliations:
Chinese Academy of Sciences Institute of Automation, Beijing, China (Z. Cao, D.D. Zeng)
University of Chinese Academy of Sciences, Beijing (Z. Cao, D.D. Zeng)
Shenzhen Artificial Intelligence and Data Science Institute (Longhua), Shenzhen (Z. Cao, D.D. Zeng)
City University of Hong Kong, Hong Kong (Q. Zhang, D. Pfeiffer)
National University of Defense Technology, Changsha (X. Lu)
Peking University, Beijing (Z. Jia)
Chinese PLA Center for Disease Control and Prevention, Beijing (H. Song)

Gail Combs

OH CRAP…
Transmission of 2019-nCoV Infection from an Asymptomatic Contact in Germany

….A 33-year-old otherwise healthy German businessman (Patient 1) became ill with a sore throat, chills, and myalgias on January 24, 2020. The following day, a fever of 39.1°C (102.4°F) developed, along with a productive cough. By the evening of the next day, he started feeling better and went back to work on January 27.
….Before the onset of symptoms, he had attended meetings with a Chinese business partner at his company near Munich on January 20 and 21. The business partner, a Shanghai resident, had visited Germany between Jan. 19 and 22. During her stay, she had been well with no signs or symptoms of infection but had become ill on her flight back to China, where she tested positive for 2019-nCoV on January 26 …
Contact tracing was started, and the above-mentioned colleague was sent to the Division of Infectious Diseases and Tropical Medicine in Munich for further assessment. At presentation, he was afebrile and well. He reported no previous or chronic illnesses and had no history of foreign travel within 14 days before the onset of symptoms. Two nasopharyngeal swabs and one sputum sample were obtained and were found to be positive for 2019-nCoV on quantitative reverse-transcriptase–polymerase-chain-reaction (qRT-PCR) assay.2 Follow-up qRT-PCR assay revealed a high viral load of 108 copies per milliliter in his sputum during the following days, with the last available result on January 29.
On January 28, three additional employees at the company tested positive for 2019-nCoV (Patients 2 through 4 in Figure 1). Of these patients, only Patient 2 had contact with the index patient; the other two patients had contact only with Patient 1. In accordance with the health authorities, all the patients with confirmed 2019-nCoV infection were admitted to a Munich infectious diseases unit for clinical monitoring and isolation. So far, none of the four confirmed patients show signs of severe clinical illness.
However, it is notable that the infection appears to have been transmitted during the incubation period of the index patient, in whom the illness was brief and nonspecific.3
The fact that asymptomatic persons are potential sources of 2019-nCoV infection may warrant a reassessment of transmission dynamics of the current outbreak. In this context, the detection of 2019-nCoV and a high sputum viral load in a convalescent patient (Patient 1) arouse concern about prolonged shedding of 2019-nCoV after recovery. Yet, the viability of 2019-nCoV detected on qRT-PCR in this patient remains to be proved by means of viral culture…
*https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2001468#.XjPJD9okNBB.twitter

Gail Combs

This is my biggest fear. The tiny tot carrier who does not understand hygiene yet.

….The case of a 10-year-old boy who was diagnosed with the Wuhan coronavirus even though he showed no symptoms is raising concern that people may be spreading the virus…
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-29/10-year-old-boy-raises-fears-wuhan-virus-could-spread-undetected

In Japan too: ”Symptomless Japanese tested positive…”

Gail Combs
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itswoot

Article title: Coronavirus Contains “HIV Insertions”, Stoking Fears Over Artificially Created Bioweapon
Profile picture for user Tyler Durden
by Tyler Durden
Fri, 01/31/2020 – 17:35
An excerpt from the conclusion of the article:
…Until he realized something disturbing.
Oh my god. Indian scientists have just found HIV (AIDS) virus-like insertions in the 2019-nCov virus that are not found in any other coronavirus. They hint at the possibility that this Chinese virus was designed [“not fortuitous’]. Scary if true. https://t.co/h6xPX1gYvj pic.twitter.com/kCpd1I00uE
— Anand Ranganathan (@ARanganathan72) January 31, 2020
“Scary”… but relax, it’s just another ridiculous “conspiracy.”
Source: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/coronavirus-contains-hiv-insertions-stoking-fears-over-artificially-created-bioweapon
Was reading a part of the Tom Clancy book, “Executive Orders”, which part of the plot gets into a weaponized ebola attack on the USA. I found this sentence in the story to be of interest as it relates to the altering of Coronaviris to weaponize it.
“Besides, there are ways to fortify a virus, as you know. You admit some cancer genes into the structure”
Clancy was a thorough researcher when writing on any subject.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

THIS POST WAS SPAM-BINNED BY PROGGIE MINIONS OF DEEP STATE LURKING THE HALLS OF AUTOMATTIKKK! WHY KEEP THROWING OUR LONG-TERM MEMBERS INTO SPAM, WHEN WE LET THEM OUT EVERY SINGLE TIME? IS AKISMET A PRODUCT OR AN EXCUSE? WHAT IS THE REAL PURPOSE OF THE SPAM BUCKET? WHY WAS FELLOW BLOG ADMIN MARICA SPECIFICALLY TARGETED SO THAT SHE WOULD BELIEVE SHE WAS BANNED? WE HAVE QUESTIONS.

itswoot

A good tail twister. Hopefully they will bellow.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Good to see that you were able to respond here. I AutomattiKKK tries to screw with this viral response stuff, then they deserve whatever DOJ has coming for social[ist] media.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

This makes sense – ZeroHedge was BANNED on Twitter. This must be why.

itswoot

I would think that by hiding this info it i would make Twitter culpable in any deaths in the use of a “weapon of mass destruction”. IF it is proven to be the case.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

They know they can get away with it. They have excuses – “reasonable doubt” – only if there are people at Twitter BRAVE ENOUGH to tell the truth when the time comes.
I saw how this works in Shallow State. They keep the “need to know” very small. REAL conspiracies minimized key knowledge distribution. Most people act on WRONG information that gives the right outcome. Just like the “Russian bots” thing. They can’t make all those people conspire for a nasty malignant purpose – so they deceive those who can be deceived. Just like I was in CA3. I was a true-believer, but I had other “qualities” that were needed for the ruse.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

(I changed the square brackets to angle brackets to make the IF go to bold.)

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yeah, that might allow a fresh start. Are you just getting up? I’m about to crash.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Thanks, Daughn! Wife is gonna love you for it! 😀
I wanted Brexit to get some love, but it’s time to get serious about this virus. THANK YOU again!!!

Concerned Virginian

www2.health.vic.gov.au/public-health/infectious-diseases/disease-information-advice/hiv-and-aids
So — it appears that the SEROCONVERSION PERIOD for HIV (when the virus becomes detectable in the bloodstream) is between 1 – 4 WEEKS. From there —
The period of time from seroconversion to the DEVELOPMENT of ANTIBODIES in the blood is anywhere from 1 – 3 MONTHS. From there —
The interval between HIV infection to the DIAGNOSIS of AIDS is anywhere between 9 MONTHS and 20 YEARS, with reports of “rapid onset” to AIDS between 3 – 5 years and also of people who DO NOT develop AIDS at all.
S0 — IF it is PROVEN that ANY presence of HIV (or HIV derivative) is in the Wuhan Coronavirus, that makes the possibility that ANY PERSON infected with Wuhan can not only have HIV themselves, but ALSO be carriers of HIV.
Remember the post I put on this thread a few days ago, about the Chiefio commenter who has an MD friend and is ALREADY following precautions in their own clinic?
The MD said that as of 7 FEBRUARY, all persons need to start wearing masks and gloves in public — create and use a “drop area” in their homes where all clothes worn outside are removed and dropped into the washing machine for HOTTEST WATER cleaning — HOT showers — avoid crowds — get in supplies — etc.

cthulhu

I would be terrified if the UN, WHO, CDC, or Obama administration were in charge. When it comes to public health, Trump appointees are old-school.
And the thing about old-school? It pisses people off, but it works.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Amen. You know who Obama made into his “Ebola czar”? A friggin’ DAMAGE CONTROL PR EXPERT with zero real crisis management or scientific background.
When people called him “Obola” and leftists complained, I gave them an EARFUL!!!

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

You mean his name ISN’T Obola?
(I’ve been calling him that consistently for years.)

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Power to ya, bud! The only reason I stopped calling him Obola was that Ostalin and Otreason wanted their turns!!!

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I did do “Oligula” a couple of times.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

*screaming laughter*
Oh, I never thought of that one! LOL!!!
Olegabalus works, too – and not just for Obola! 😉

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

LOL
Alas they are a benefit of a classical education.

itswoot

This is the website for the military version of the Center for Disease Control (CDC) Nothing here yet, or any other recent updates, on Coronavirus. Maybe worth checking on for research insights that they may come up with independent of the CDC.
https://www.usamriid.army.mil/

GA/FL

Coronavirus update – This morning – there are 11,374 confirmed cases – most in China – now 7 in USA of which all have traveled to China.
LINK – https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

smiley2

WUHAN CORONAVIRUS ATTACK… CASES and DEATHS BY COUNTRY….last update Feb 1, 2020…
link…
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
this has affected 27 countries & territories
12,024 cases worldwide reported cases..
259 deaths ….reported deaths…
…more info at the link.
🙁 🙁

Dora

The cities must be cleaned up. The virus would have a field day among these people.
https://twitter.com/streetpeopleLA/status/1223299400417665024

Volgarian8301

Source is an NBC affiliate, but sharing just in case

NBC Bay Area
@nbcbayarea
JUST IN: A man who recently traveled back to Boston from Wuhan, China, has been diagnosed as the first Massachusetts resident with the new coronavirus, and the eighth case confirmed in the U.S.

🦋🤸‍♀️🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🤸‍♀️🦋

Massachusetts man has coronavirus, state health officials say; US cases rise to 8
https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-cdc-seventh-case-us

kea

I found this interesting from https://www.webmd.com/lung/coronavirus#1
Almost everyone gets a coronavirus infection at least once in their life, most likely as a young child. In the United States, coronaviruses are more common in the fall and winter, but anyone can come down with a coronavirus infection at any time.

Sadie Slays

Bird Flu is back on the menu.
“China reports outbreak of deadly bird flu among chickens in Hunan province, close to coronavirus epicentre of Wuhan”
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3048566/china-reports-outbreak-deadly-bird-flu-among-chickens-hunan

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

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https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/02/01/20200201-coronavirus-update-thread-3/

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