20200210th-18th: Coronavirus Thread

We still don’t have a firm handle on this virus. The uncertainty leads to fear in a general population. Within this thread, we will share everything we know, culled from multiple sources. Thank you to all who contribute.

  • Bullet point items:
  • Cruise Ship docked and quarantined in Japan Diamond Princess, docked off Yokohama: now has 454 infected persons. Americans evacuate from the ship are testing positive, now quarantined at a military base in Texas.
  • Taxi Cab drivers and physicians reported the problem in Wuhan as early as December 8th-9th.
  • Official Death toll is 1,775 (Updated 8:00am Eastern, February 13, 2020) (could be thousands more)
  • In China, 70,553 confirmed cases (could be thousands to millions) with over 71,810 confirmed worldwide (Updated 8:00am Eastern, February 17, 2020)
  • Dashboard to update number of cases within China and worldwide: https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
  • Hardest hit is Hubei province, healthcare system is overloaded, but we’re seeing death tolls reported from Jilin, to Sichuan, to Guangdong to Chongqing – it’s all over China.
  • More contagious than Seasonal Flu, Spanish Flu, or SARS.
  • WHO team was allowed into China February 9th. USA has been offering assistance to China since January 6th.
  • USA delivered 100 million dollars of AID to China to battle the virus.
  • Approximately 80% of China’s export economy is shut down.
  • The Chinese central bank plans to pump $22 billion into the economy amid reports that the coronavirus or COVD19 will lower the expected growth of China’s economy from 2.1% to 1.2%. Farmers are having problems getting trucks to take their food supplies into towns for deliver…… system shutdown.
  • Under pressure from leadership, the Apple factory reopened…. but only 10% of the workforce showed up for duty. Other province governors have barred companies from reopening.
  • China agreed to “half” their tariffs on US goods, looking for economic relief from the USA
  • Economic impact on China will be severe
  • Japan’s economy contracted 1.6% as they face Coronavirus.
  • South Korea shut down their Hyundai plant due to lack of parts manufactured in China.
  • Statistics and information coming out of China are highly questionable.
A map of Chinese provinces will help us get oriented within the country.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLS1uKAecKU

Exceptionally valuable information is found in Pandemic Episode 15. Rosemary Gibson, Senior Advisor to the Hastings Center, took three years to investigate the state of Americas pharmaceuticals, culminating in the book “China RX”. Did you know the last aspirin factory in the USA closed down in 2004? Did you know that the USA can no longer MAKE Vitamin C? Did you know tainted heparin from China cause many deaths of American citizens….. it was Made in China. And did you know that our politicians have known about the problem/national security/health security for decades?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS7c_vqU4M4

Also within this program is an interview with Mike Bowen, Senior VP and owner of Prestige Ameritech, the last manufacturer of N-95 Medical Grade Masks in the USA. It’s an interview which will make you scream in frustration, and cry because of the ineptness of our bureaucrats and trade policies……. The facility used to supply about 79% of the market in the USA until purchased by Kimberly Clark….. shut down and shipped overseas, losing thousands of jobs and endangering Americans. It’s a must watch.

Gail Combs, fellow Treeper, is one of our best researchers. I believe she is a physicist. Wish I could give you her whole bio, yet this is the internet.… Gail has agreed to compile valuable info for us all, found below. Thank you, Gail! And thank you to BakoCarl for more resource links!

WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE CHINESE CORONA VIRUS.

1. China does not have enough tests kits to document all suspected cases. The test can easily show a negative for people with the disease. Politically, China has good reason to lie. Also since it is a deep lung infection a cheek or throat swap can give a false positive. Coughed up sputum gives 11% more positives.

2. The virus attaches to ACE2 expressers deep in the lungs.
Men have 4 times as many ACE2 expressers as women and are 3 times as likely to get it.
Asians have 5 times as many as Africans/Europeans.

In early stats, (Jan2 – 41 people) less than half had underlying diseases BUT it does affect those with chronic inflammatory diseases including diabetes, hypertension, and cardiovascular disease (probably asthma too.)

3. Those without symptoms or with very mild symptoms can spread it. It can be spread via coughs, contact surfaces and with feces. Diarrhea is one of the possible symptoms. (Not good for San Fran-feces.)

Surface Survival of the Virus
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQCd7TEUUAAOxw_.jpg

4. We do not know how many without symptoms may have come over on early flights. Running a temperature many not appear immediately after contact with the virus.
”mean incubation period to be 6.4 (5.6 – 7.7, 95% CI) days, ranging from 2.1 to 11.1 days”
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.27.20018986v2

Revised: 6.4 –> 5.2 days. (~5 to 7 days) https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.02.20020016v1

”….time in hospital prior to death 10+ days I think for most of them….
…I have seen several references that said about 25% of confirmed cases get serious complications and something like 15% end up in ICU.”
 – Larry L.

76% of the confirmed 2019-nCov cases from 1 hospital in Wuhan required oxygen therapy.

5. According to MedCram US CDC/hospitals are using a SWAB (throat?) and 11 out of 178 tested positive. The problem is a throat or cheek swab while simpler to obtain, give false negatives while sputum samples are more reliable.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4187748/
https://www.who.int/csr/disease/coronavirus_infections/LaboratoryTestingNovelCoronavirus_21Dec12.pdf

6. The first victim here in the USA required a long hospital stay of at least 2 weeks. He was still coughing after two weeks and therefore probably still infectious.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EP2vCFiWsAAO_Rp.jpg

7. People the most at risk are 50 years and over with pre-existing chronic inflammatory diseases. (Patriot Nurse)

Mortality by age comparison between MERS, SARS and 2019-nCoV
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPezgqvXkAExryP.jpg

TAIPEI (Taiwan News) summed it up this way:

…the Wuhan coronavirus has three features:

♦️ it is an RNA virus that mutates easily,
♦️ it is more contagious than SARS,
♦️ and it can spread from an asymptomatic person.

This means that even someone who has recovered from the virus can transmit it, making it more difficult to curb its spread.

As a result, Hsieh said it is possible that the virus could stay dormant in the body after recovery and come back to haunt the host in winter or when their immune system is weakened…. *

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3869848

CONCLUSION
The virus is probably ‘free’ here in the USA. I t is more severe for men, especially older men and older people with chronic inflammatory disease. It requires a long hospital stay. Children may show little sign of the disease.

“What we think will happen over the next several weeks, will be more and more cases will begin to show up that have no obvious contact back to China,” –Michael Osterholm, Director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota.
https://www.kare11.com/article/news/health/infectious-disease-expert-says-were-ill-prepared-for-coronavirus/89-0d9d99c5-24f7-4128-ae9a-6687f9a138dd

THEREFORE the goal is to prevent rapid spread of the disease especially to those over 50 so the hospitals are not overwhelmed. IF the system is overwhelmed the elderly WILL NOT GET CARE!

triage
1a: the sorting of and allocation of treatment to patients and especially battle and disaster victims according to a system of priorities designed to maximize the number of survivors
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/triage

PREVENTION ~ MINIMIZING CONTACT

If you are older stay away from your grand kids! Larry L. suggested a 3 – 6 foot distance from other people, a pathologist suggests 6 to 9 feet.

Interesting items on survival times for various bugs on different surfaces and conditions.
https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/infections/how-long-do-bacteria-and-viruses-live-outside-the-body/ ~ or ~ https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0021850217302239

Removing Gloves

MASKS
”There is a minimum effective infectious dose. Greater doses increases the likelihood of infection. This also affects the incubation period. The lower the exposure, the longer the time needed for the infection to get going internally; and with that, the longer it will be before that person becomes infections and/or shows symptoms. Recall that most symptoms are due to activation of the immune system, and not from the infection itself.” — cdquarles 

For the painter/farmer masks: (N95 or N100)
3m has p100 filters with no sorbents, such as #2091, and then I saw ‘improved’ version #2291 I think. The 2091 are bright fuscia. I think I’ve seen people ambulating near Stanford hospital sporting these as facial fashion. Much easier to breath, and very comfortable with the 7502 ‘faceplate’. I had no sense of ‘rebreathing’ or claustro.

How to properly wear a mask- short video in link: https://twitter.com/i/status/1221247891714514945

https://www.healthline.com/health/cold-flu/mask#4

https://www.sfcdcp.org/communicable-disease/healthy-habits/how-to-put-on-and-remove-a-face-mask/

Larry Ledwick  has a HOW TO
for homemade mask:
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2020/02/01/ghe-2019-ncov-corona-virus-outbreak/#comment-123794

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPvaMGHU4AA7jYx.jpg

Many people wonder what they can do to NOT get the virus. If we think of Coronavirus like a “super-flu”, it makes sense to follow good general hygiene principles, eat well, and get plenty of rest. Here are some extra hints from Gail.

NUTRITION TO OPTIMIZE IMMUNE SYSTEM
High dose Vit C for anti viral activity.

Nutritional Treatment of Coronavirus

Orthomolecular Medicine News Service, Jan 30, 2020 recomends, VERY HIGH levels of Vitamin C.

Please read the whole article. At the bottom are references and recommended reading.

In summary:

What dosage?
Vitamin C fights all types of viruses. Although the dose should truly be high, even a low supplemental amount of vitamin C saves lives. This is very important for those with low incomes and few treatment options. For example, in one well-controlled, randomized study, just 200 mg/day vitamin C given to the elderly resulted in improvement in respiratory symptoms in the most severely ill, hospitalized patients. And there were 80% fewer deaths in the vitamin C group. [7]
…The sicker a person was, the more ascorbic acid they would tolerate orally without it causing diarrhea. In a person with an otherwise normal GI tract when they were well, would tolerate 5 to 15 grams of ascorbic acid orally in divided doses without diarrhea…..
But to best build up our immune systems, we need to employ large, orthomolecular doses of several vital nutrients. The physicians on the Orthomolecular Medicine News Service review board specifically recommend at least 3,000 milligrams (or more) of vitamin C daily, in divided doses. Vitamin C empowers the immune system and can directly denature many viruses. It can be taken as ascorbic acid (which is sour like vinegar), either in capsules or as crystals dissolved in water or juice. It can also be taken as sodium ascorbate, which is non-acidic. To be most effective, it should be taken to bowel tolerance. This means taking high doses several (or many) times each day. See the references below for more information….

Magnesium: 400 mg daily (in citrate, malate, chelate, or chloride form)…..

Vitamin D3: 2,000 International Units daily. (Start with 5,000 IU/day for two weeks, then reduce to 2,000)…..

Zinc is a powerful antioxidant and is essential for many biochemical pathways. It has been shown to be effective in helping the body fight infections. [20,21] A recommended dose is 20-40 mg/day for adults….

Selenium:100 mcg (micrograms) daily…..

B-complex vitamins and vitamin A: A multivitamin tablet with each meal will supply these conveniently and economically…..
Nutritional supplements are not just a good idea. For fighting viruses, they are absolutely essential

What Does Taking Massive Amounts of Vitamin C Do to Your Body?
https://healthyeating.sfgate.com/taking-massive-amounts-vitamin-c-body-6719.html

https://www.livestrong.com/article/413359-what-are-the-benefits-of-mega-dosing-vitamin-c/

Debunking of side effects:
https://www.approachwellness.com/vitamin-c-side-effects.html

From a fellow Q-Treeper (sorry I did not keep the Id) I have added the studies verifying the claims.

A VERY over-simplified version of how viruses work, immune boosting, and what you can do NOW. This is esp helpful for at risk age groups, but good for everyone.

Those spikes you see on virus pics allow it to puncture your cell wall and use the inside of your cell for food. Immune boosters help strengthen your cell wall, among other things.

ELDERBERRY SYRUP – (Sambucus n.) Strengthens your cell walls, and is shown to bind to flu viruses, preventing them from invading cells and replicating.

ASTRAGALUS – Helps increase the bodies production of interferon, and, reduces water retention.

ECHINACEA p. – Provides inulin, which improves white cells ability to fight in part by increasing properdin, increases and activates white cells, signals the body to release interferon.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4058675/

VITAMIN C – Helps the red blood cells transport oxygen thru the body.
Your lymphatic system runs along (mostly) the same paths that your blood vessels use. However, your lymph system doesn’t have a “pump” the way your blood vessels have your heart to move things along. Your lymphatic system helps with your blood system to drain out the debris from your dead cell walls, dead virus cell, and white cells, etc. Keeping your lymphatic system clear of debris is why you are told to drink lots of fluids when you get sick. That junk needs to be urinated out, to keep the lanes clear for more white cells to attack the virus. There are also simple excercises that “pump” your lymphatics. These are all online. If you catch a virus, there are more things to add that may help.

So, if you get sick:
INCREASE YOUR IMMUNE BOOSTERS!!! like, every couple hours or so.
Drink LOT of fluids

Add STEROIDS to help reduce inflammation if necessary. This can be prescribed or LICORICE HERB (not the candy, sorry!) can be used.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27650551
https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/can-licorice-save-world-next-pandemic-infection

NETTLES – Anti-histamine, anti-inflammatory, and diuretic. Is helpful with drying up runny noses, too!

…Phenolic compounds could be defined as biologically active and herbal and have positive effects on health. The scientific researches are increased about the positive effect of phenolic compounds into coronary heart disease and high blood pressure, diabetes, cancer, inflammative, viral and parasitic disease, psychotic disorders

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3349212/

DANDELION – A strong diuretic, has Vitamin C and potassium. (Most diuretics take out potassium along with the urine.)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3265450/

For fever, Tylenol or Motrin. Some people don’t do fever control, as the higher temperatures help kill the virus, but I have seen seizures happen from this, so I think fever control is a good thing. Also, if your body is fight aches and fever, those are cells which can be helping fight the virus instead.
Again, very over-simplified, but some steps you can be taking NOW, and some herbs you can look into to see what may work for you and yours.

There are a lot of sites like this:
15 Foods That Boost the Immune System
https://www.healthline.com/health/food-nutrition/foods-that-boost-the-immune-system

I recommend looking for the scientific studies (pro and con) that actually support the claims of any health remedy not prescribed by a doctor as I have done above.

DISCLAIMER: I am a chemist and not a doctor. This is just a compilation from comments at both sites that may be of interest to readers. Think for your self!

Logical thinking.

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Concerned Virginian

Per the Chiefio blog new dedicated Wuhan Coronavirus thread:
The virus now has a real name: SARS-CoV-2
The name for the sickness it causes is now called: COVID-19
It appears that the Ro (reproduction rate) of the virus is anywhere between 2.4 – 4.7 – 6.6.
An Ro of 4.7 – 6.6 is the equivalent to the reproduction rate for RUBELLA, POLIO, and SMALL POX.
http://www.medrxiv.org/ is a website for papers on investigations / research on the virus.
It appears that persons in various branches of the PLA are now either infected by the virus, or are in quarantine under observation.
http://www.zerohedge.com/health/angry-people-will-no-longer-be-afraid-1000s-chinese-militaryploce-quarantined-dozens
It appears that AT LEAST 500 medical professionals in Wuhan are infected.
http://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3050077/least-500-wuhan-medical-staff-infected-coronavirus
And this:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/11/coronavirus-expert-warns-infection-could-reach-60-of-worlds-population
A 1% death rate from the virus, at a 60% world infection rate, would mean OVER 46MILLION deaths — in the same class as the worldwide death toll from the Great Spanish Flu Pandemic of 1918-1920.
Granted, the state of medical advances in disease control and treatment is very different today as compared to 1918. However, research into this new virus is just starting, and the disease is spreading unchecked.

Zerohedge article is gone, even scrubbed from wayback machine 🤐😯

There is a typo in the Zero Hedge URL, my apologies — changing this word may work better:
Should read
-militarypolice-
in the URL

Aubergine

Actually, that won’t work either, because THEY misspelled ‘military’ in the url!
This one works:
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/angry-people-will-no-longer-be-afraid-1000s-chinese-miltarypolice-quarantined-dozens

Sue Mcdonald

Just a thought, Q posted awhile back that the WALL means more than we will ever know. The wall may have several meanings I’m now thinking. Q posted about renegade and evergreen and depopulation just a bit ago, cankles and zero involved in taking us out? BRUNO had quite a thread on this which really sent my mind into a spin. Here’s the link hope it works.*https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1227640890769973248.html . I put an asterisk at front so remove it .

Concerned Virginian

According to http://www.wuflu.live/, the numbers of reported infections in Communist China are going down, with the inference that the disease is finally under control — however, the figures apparently do NOT take into account the thousands of Chinese people locked into their apartments under quarantine / the figures of infected people removed from the streets / the figures from the employees of the 49 crematories in Wuhan itself.
http://www.wuflu.live/ loads slowly.

I like his focus.

Notice in the “MD Dance Routine” video clip:
First — it appears that there are **SEVERAL** medical staff demonstrating the dances. The movements look to me to be too “rehearsed” to be spontaneous.
Second — the patients ARE WEARING HEAVY OUTSIDE CLOTHING. Where in the “instant hospital” was this video shot? — was this a ward room that was cleared to be used to for “exercise”?
Third — the prominent HAMMER AND SICKLE FLAG on a wall.

PROPAGANDA

plumnelly1

When I question “whose making sure these 200 in Atlanta are staying home” on a Fox News comment section. This is one of the answers a commenter had…
“ With the community and neighbors aware of the situation, those that do not comply will most likely be reported. There are other methods that involve ankle monitors but this would be extreme.”
I feel so much better…snark to the max,

This is from Epoch Times in Chinese. Had to install google translate to read.
Sevaral New funeral ‘teams’ being sent to assist overwhelmed mortuaries in Wuhan.
Has videos, other info. Did not know that yellow body bag indicates pneumonia. Further proof that death count is inaccurate. Pictures of yellows lining hospital, yellows&oranges mixed in vans. Am assuming orange is for CORVID-19??
https://www.epochtimes.com/gb/20/2/12/n11864132.htm

Concerned Virginian

Might be a good idea to ask the doctor / other medical professional, who is going to give an injection or dispense a prescription, did the medication come from Communist China? — apparently a huge percentage of medications given to people in the United States come from that country.

Linda K Harrison

Hi Gail – last night Clyde Lewis from Ground Zero did at least two hours of his show on the coronavirus. One thing he talked about was John Hopkins Event 201 and possibly a link to China trying to hurry to complete what they were working on for the meeting in NY 10/2019. I will try to post the link here. Please bear with me as most of this is way over my head. I hope you find it useful.
https://www.groundzeromedia.org/2-13-20-covid-19-the-new-name-for-weaponized-uncertainty

Wolf Moon

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Linda K Harrison

Thank you Wolfie, it is done. This is in regards to your new thread. Question – in light of what happened to Roger Stone – what are the odds that the jury pool is tainted in that they only call Democrats for jury duty especially in blue states, could be in all states. I guess much the same way they judge shop. How would anyone know? Rhetorical question, just food for thought. (Too afraid to ask on your new thread, after the warning.) lol

Wolf Moon

LOL! What? I’ve only banned one innocent person for saying we were wasting our time, and only for a day. Temp bans don’t hurt! C’mon! 😉

The undercover video from the Wuhan clinic shows body bags on gurneys in the same waiting room where live patients are waiting.

bakocarl

Some interesting statistics from https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Don’t know if any firm conclusions can be drawn.
ACTIVE CASES
39,222 Currently Infected Patients
31,005 (79%) Mild Condition
8,217 (21%) Serious or Critical Condition
CLOSED CASES
5,989 Cases which had an outcome:
4,871 (81%) Recovered / Discharged
1,118 (19%) Deaths

Dora
Concerned Virginian

I posted this earlier on another comment thread today —
WHY can’t POTUS order that ALL AMERICANS aboard the Diamond Princess be taken by helicopter IMMEDIATELY to the nearest U.S. military hospital in Japan, located at YOKOSUKA??
The ENTIRE SHIP is a human biolab!

kalbokalbs

Naval Hospital Yokosuka, JA, more less than 25 miles from Yokohama. Ship anchored out as I understand it.
Dunno how many Americans are on the ship. Probably would need Japanese government permission to bring the Americans to the base. It is Japanese territory operating under SOFA – Status of Forces Agreement.
Anyway, Naval Hospital Yokosuka is not big. And I’d bet the hospital cannot take in all of the passengers in a safe manner for 1) the Americans on the cruise ship, 2) Hospital staff, 3) Americans on the base which is very densely populated with Aemrican families. AND 4) safety of Japanese employees.
There is probably an opportunity to do something barracks or another building of sorts. Nothing easy about this. BUT, something could be figured out. Where there is a will, there is a way.

kalbokalbs

Guam a far better choice for the Americans. Andersen AFB is huge. Naval facilities not so much. Something could be figured out.
The entire ship, passengers and crew, surely problematic. Americans only, could do it.

BlackKnightRides

Let me guess … after noting that 35% of the Passengers were INFECTED,
• He took off his mask because the passengers couldn’t understand what he was saying.
• Then he handed each person the same clipboard with the survey questions.
• Japan allowed him to come ashore without going through quarantine.
Brilliant.

Wolf Moon

Yup. This is how CRAP happens. WHO commies probably pushed for a dope to have to do the survey.

BlackKnightRides

Couldn’t BELIEVE when I heard WHO is headed by a ChiCom.

Wolf Moon

UN was the biggest fucking commie scam EVER – exactly as the “conspiracy theorists” of the time realized.
It’s time to NUKE FAKE HISTORY and INCINERATE COMMUNISM.

BlackKnightRides

Looks like President Trump has set a sequence of events in motion to neuter Globalist NGOs … WTO, World Bank, IMF, USAID, … U.N.?

Concerned Virginian

It appears that things are just starting to get “interesting” —
@NBCLA
Video clip of a news report: over 1,000 persons in LA County who traveled to Communist China have been ordered to “self-isolate” at home for 14 days — don’t go to work, don’t go to school.
http://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/12/cdc-perpares-for-coronavirus-to-take-a-foothold-in-the-us.html
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/02/12/chinese-cities-seize-personal-property-to-control-spread-of-coronavirus/

BlackKnightRides

That’s ONE way to bring California Real Estate Prices down.

bakocarl

But I just had to go out to get a pizza with my buds ’cause, you know, . . . cooped up in the house for 10 hours! C’mon! Oh, and, yeah, Starbuck’s for a little pre-breakfast and then Mickey D’s and Starbuck’s again. Well, like, I was careful! I sneezed in my elbow every time I sneezed . . . and coughed.
So, no big deal!

Remember the self quarantined entitled elite journalist who snuck out during the Ebola scare???

bakocarl

Actually, no.

Yep, a team from one of the big networks went to cover Ebola, came back were told to self quarantine. Blonde lady snuck out for coffee. She was previously a medical doctor? and should have known better. Think it was in NYC. Everyone was on her case. Racking my brain trying to remember who.

bakocarl

Oh! Well, takeout from the Peasant Grill . . . that’s different!

Wolf Moon

Yup. The MEDICAL version of ANDREA MITCHELL.

BlackKnightRides

Doctor just shared that 2 pregnant Chinese women had returned home from Wuhan to Houston, freely associated without masks or protection with MANY other pregnant Chinese women (in a Chinese pregnant care-recovery facility) and then proceeded into Chinatown markets – all without any checks to confirm whether they were contaminated. 😳 😬

Oh Geez. And I thought I was being paranoid not going to the gym and using the pool that a lot of Asians also enjoy. Staying home……in NW Houston.

Asian Doc said stay the hell away from Chinese … citing MANY fact-based RISK REASONS … habits & practices, cultural associations, values, biological receptors, …

BKR, Do you have a link?

Personal visit.

bakocarl

So, how long will WE have to self-isolate, staying at home, without exception, until the WuFlu has ravaged all those about us and then run its course?

Concerned Virginian

bakocarl
My opinion:
It would be well to have on hand, now, all supplies for the household for 3 – 6 months. This includes items to keep family members busy (board games / puzzles / books), plus materials to homeschool children.
And if, by Divine Providence, the supplies are not used, no harm is done — they can be saved for the hurricane / snowstorm down the road.
And keeping VERY tight-lipped regarding all the above — “nosy neighbors”, the cousins who “arrive” for a “visit” because they didn’t gather in anything for their own household, etc.
It may be well to have plans ready to “signal” household members at a moment’s notice to get home, in the event that one hears (either via social media, or by the Emergency Broadcast System, for example) — that your locality is being quarantined by federal or state order effective immediately.

bakocarl

Let’s see . . .
Supplies for 3 – 6 months . . . workin’ on it. Well on the way.
Tight lipped . . . no one knows or will know.
Entertainment . . . got it covered. We’re old . . . we have cats.
Almost ready!

cthulhu

Hopefully entirely indoor cats — it may spread on cat fur.

BlackKnightRides

Doc said Taiwanese and Chinese have been PREPPING and HOARDING … amazed that typical Americans have been blithely ignorant or foolish.
He reminded that it’s all about how FRIENDS & NEIGHBORS team up.

All I can find is that Chinese social media started and repeated rumors, prompting Harris County Public Health to put out a statement. Damage is done. Chinatown section a ghost town, with some businesses losing $30-80K/day. City leaders are begging customers to return.
https://www.click2houston.com/health/2020/02/10/disinformation-site-called-out-by-harris-county-public-health-over-coronavirus-rumors/
https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/business/2020/02/10/360156/houston-businesses-feel-impact-from-the-coronavirus/
Bull$hit like this is unacceptable, causes mass panic, and wipes out livelyhoods. 🤬🤬

Doc said avoid Chinese Restaurants … cooks & dishwashers are typically illegals who never get health checks and whose habits & practices are disgusting.

Plain Jane

Chicago radio has been spewing that Chinese restaurants in Chicago have seen a decline in customers, but Chicago Health honchos gave the go ahead that it is safe to dine Chinese.
– – – – – –
Dang, this is not a very reassuring time to have the docs kill off all my immunity with the chemo rounds. Plus, they won’t let me take my usual supplements. The reason: supplements ingestion during chemo and the rest period between rounds hasn’t been tested. I am getting immunotherapy drugs also, so I don’t know what to think.

Plain Jane

🙂 I love you all back.

BlackKnightRides

Stay strong, Jane!

Plain Jane

🙂 Will do with God at the helm.

BlackKnightRides

KJG.

Not fanning the flames, just sharing info from Doc, who I have the greatest respect for.

“…..Bull$hit like this is unacceptable, causes mass panic…..”
Sorry butterfly, IT IS NOT BULL SHIFF!
1. During the Chinese New Year many Chinese FLY HOME to celebrate and then they come BACK TO THE USA. They are a tight knit group often from the same village.
2. Chinese with ties to China are more likely to use traditional medicine.
3. FLIGHTS FROM WUHAN WERE NOT LOCKED DOWN until much later.
With 60,000 flights from Wuhan, an average of 140 passengers per flight = 8,400,000 people.
HOW MANY of those people were carriers of the virus?
4. We will know in a week or two… IF the disease problem IS NOT HIDDEN. Remember the CLOSE DOOR MEETING between San Francisco politicians and the Chinese community???
I rather close down a possible infection site than bury most of our older folks. If needed they can be compensated with $$$. You can not rise grandpa and grandma from the dead.
….
From Larry L

…the typical incubation time of about 7 days, then they have been infectious now for about 11 days, and the people they contacted are now past their incubation time also and have been infectious for 4 days.
This map shows the 60,000 flights that left Wuhan in the period prior to lock down.….
If asymptomatic carriers are relatively common (like the British citizen who infected friends in a Swiss ski chalet) then we should in the next week or two start seeing outbreaks as those cases mature….

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I was referring to this single incident which falsely targeted and perpetuated a rumor about ONE store causing unnecessary mass panic in a town of 6 million without any facts to back it up. It was BS.
BTW, is anyone tracking the travel ban timeline?? Wuhan was ordered on 1/23. So as of today, it’s been 21days, surely any of those who escaped the ban would be symptomatic by now. US implemented auto quarantine 1/31 of anyone coming from Wuhan. I hope someone’s keeping track of these stats from ALL of China’s International exodus.

The problem is the New Years celebration and the fact people from Wuhan beat feet out of the area. So flights from else where could have recently infected carriers.
Now China has this:
Larry L. 10 February 2020 at 6:02 amcomment image

BlackKnightRides

WATCH for IT … And WHY NOT?
USA requires Importers from China – who remained after POTUS advised RETURN-to-USA, to
• SPECIAL-LABEL their imports with RED HANGING TAGS as MADE in CHINA, with PROVINCE(S)
• QUARANTINE their imports for longer than the virus can survive on products
• CERTIFY that their imports are 2019-nCoV FREE.
“Are ya feelin’ LUCKY, PUNKS?”

So it was Xi who told POTUS that the virus should be gone in April. POTUS merely repeated that and people have been bashing him online for it.
https://www.epochtimes.com/gb/20/2/11/n11860814.htm

BlackKnightRides

HOW CHINA can COMPLY with PHASE-1 TRADE DEAL
POTUS calls Xi with the solution …
Xi orders the SALE of USA HOLDINGS to PURCHASE USA GOODS, starting with FOOD.
• Treasury Bonds
• Real Estate
• Tech Company Shares
Otherwise, POTUS freezes Chinese Assets in the USA for CORRUPTION
[Pick it: Currency Manipulation, Trade, Spying, IP Theft, …]
Xi has no choice and owns all the power.
Easy Peasy.

BlackKnightRides

TRADE DEAL COMPLIANCE 2.0
Rinse & Repeat to SELL ALL STAKES in
• Belt & Road Infrastructure
• African and South American Resources

Volgarian8301
Gail Combs

Julian’s Rum on ‘Microwave zapping’ viruses
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1227809761745362951.html

bakocarl

Not surprising. It was spreading, lots more getting sick and dying than the Chinese want to be known . . . but now outside medical organizations are getting involved and . . . the truth will out.

GA/FL
trumpismine

Yikes!

bakocarl

Some type of verification would be useful here. Let’s see if this hits other news outlets from different sources.

Telling Californians to SELF-QUARANTINE
… kinda like telling Catch-N-Release Illegals to SHOW UP in COURT.

Concerned Virginian

And now there is this:
http://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/02/13/us-military-prepping-for-coronavirus-pandemic/
The directives were approved by MARK ESPER, the Secretary of Defense.

CM in TN

All I can say if WTF!!! We need a complete travel ban on China now!
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/dozens-dead-birds-seized-luggage-passenger-traveling-beijing-washington-dc
Disgusting…

CM in TN

is, not if…

Wolf Moon

My opinion?
Cover operation for virus release in CONUS by PLA operatives.

CM in TN

Or the avian flu. Dulles airport is in Va. The Delmarva peninsula is the eastern shore of Md, Va, and De. Lots of Tyson and Perdue chicken farms there.

Volgarian8301

Not sure what sacked means over there….fired?…bagged?

Yep, CCP leaders blaming them for letting things get out of control, i.e., not covering up properly. They failed o protect the Party. Got to have someone else to take blame, that’s how they roll. Citizens know better.

Dora

Doesn’t sound good.
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US military prepping for coronavirus pandemic
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/02/13/us-military-prepping-for-coronavirus-pandemic/

bakocarl

Getting reasonably prepared to quarantine a significant number of people because of unknown exposure to the WuFlu would not be an overnight venture, and it is undoubtedly prudent to get things in place well ahead of time.
When you need facilities such as these, you need them NOW. Waiting for the need and then responding without prior preparations is a recipe for disaster.
All this tells us, on the negative side, is that they’re not ruling out the need for quarantine facilities.

Gail Combs

Larry Ledwick says:
11 February 2020 at 3:51 am (date is important)

Food for thought, the lock down of Wuhan China occurred on Jan 23 2020. The people that flew out just before the lockdown are now ( 41-23=18 days removed from Wuhan)
(assuming typical values and relatively asymptomatic patients)
If they had the typical incubation time of about 7 days, then they have been infectious now for about 11 days, and the people they contacted are now past their incubation time also and have been infectious for 4 days.
This map shows the 60,000 flights that left Wuhan in the period prior to lock down.

If asymptomatic carriers are relatively common (like the British citizen who infected friends in a Swiss ski chalet) then we should in the next week or two start seeing outbreaks as those cases mature to the clearly sick symptomatic stage that happens some 10 – 14 days after infection for most patients.
We will know in a few days, just like the Diamond Princess the secondary infections are about to start showing themselves as people get sick enough that they have to seek medical help.
Keep fingers crossed the case counts are small and are properly handled by the local medical authorities.

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Dora
NYGuy54

Interesting. My cousin is in Vietnam visiting. The pictures he sent back are eye-popping. A large number of people are walking the streets with surgical masks on. So he put one on. Interesting times.

kalbokalbs

Can’t speak to Vietnam. Many folks in Japan, other Asian countries wear the masks when they are feeling I’ll or simply don’t want to catch a bug.

Concerned Virginian

And now, regarding the “cruise ship human Wuhan Coronavirus biolabs” —
Diamond Princess, docked off Yokohama: now has 218 infected persons. @BNODesk
MS Westerdam, docked off Sihanoukville, Cambodia: possible 20 cases http://www.bangkokpost.com/world/1856794/20-westerdam-passengers-to-be-tested-for-coronavirus
Royal Caribbean Anthem of the Seas, docked off BAYONNE, NJ: 12 persons will be tested for the virus
https://patch.com/new-jersey/hoboken/12-people-ship-nj-reportedly-will-be-tested-coronavirus
World Dream Cruises liner, docked off Hong Kong Victoria Harbor: ** 3,600 passengers were released AFTER a FOUR-DAY QUARANTINE aboard the ship after they tested negative for the virus. A FOUR-DAY QUARANTINE? When we KNOW that the virus can be present but show NO symptoms for TEWNTY-FOUR DAYS?
http://www.bbc.com/

Gail Combs

It is HONG KONG home of the ANTI-COMMUNISTS who the Communist Party WANTS DEAD!
Now we know there is a vaccine. AND we know about the ‘social credit’ scores. ANY BETS, only good little commies get the vaccine and the rest are left to die? Heck if the scuttlebutt is true the Communist Party went to the Chinese courts for ‘permission’ to kill off 20,000 infected people in order to stop the epidemic and give the medicals relief.

Concerned Virginian

Gail Combs
Those 20,000 Chinese people “culled” by orders from Beijing, if true (and may well be the case) would then account for the approximately 20,000 person INCREASE in the “OFFICIAL” new figures given BY BEIJING to the CDC / WHO. etc.
Now — working from the figures given several days ago by workers at the 49 operating crematories IN WUHAN — one can posit that Beijing is UNDER STATING the TRUE figures of infected and died BY A FACTOR of 54,5 —
60,000 “official” infected divided by “official” deaths of 1100 (rounded up) = 54.545454…
Which would then mean that the TRUE figures would be:
3,270,000 infected (60,000 x 54.5)
And deaths would be:
59,950
Even IF these figures are too high, given that the empirical evidence (reports from MD’s in Wuhan medical facilities) of a 16% fatality rate, AND still using the “official” figures of infected from Beijing, one gets an ACTUAL death figure of 9,600 — 60,000 x 0.16 = 9600.
No matter how you slice it, Beijing IS LYING about the numbers of infected / dead / “recovered”.
And — FLASH! — the WHO has just demanded to know from Beijing WHY there is this “sudden jump” of infections from about 40,000 “official” to 60,000 “official”.

Gail Combs

They are lying a guy with a good Stat background proves it.
See: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1223887384892313600.html

Think someone is lying to you?
First check to see if they bothered to add any variability whatsoever in the model they are using to supposedly report actual numbers from a complex system. [They didn’t it is a beautiful line -G.C.]
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Closer look at mortality rates calculated at -0, -3, -5, -7 Days.
Since the virus takes between 7-10 Days to kill people, achieving steady state in the -0 Day mortality rate is only possible if a dramatic reduction in mortality occurred….

This graph looking at the number of ID cases 7, 5 and 3 days prior to the death numbers.comment image
A drop from 55% to 15 % mortality rate in 10 days??? No way in Hades!

Gail Combs

That is a good article by the Taiwan News.

para59r

San Antonio now has one confirmed case of Coronavirus and we are being told they’re may be more. Part of 91 brought in by plane from China last week and put into quarantine at Lackland AFB. The confirmed case has been moved to an undisclosed hospital in the area.
This plane load is one of many that the US has accepted and in which passengers are put into quarantine upon arrival. I trust that information is in one of the Corornavirus threads.
This story below provides a mix of old and new information. Or at least I haven’t seen these numbers displayed in a table on departures and arrivals into and out of China before. Might be on one of our threads.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/02/live-from-hong-kong-coronovirus-killing-people-and-commerce-in-china-concerns-escalate-due-to-chinas-actions-hubei-and-wuhan-leaders-replaced/

duchess01

#DustinNemos #StopBitBurning #WWG1WGA
Wuhan Coronavirus (Covid19) Updates – US Quarantining Citizens NOW! How bad is it REALLY?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KgTy7-_cZg&feature=em-uploademail

Concerned Virginian

My opinion:
There are more and more disparate pieces of evidence that, when added up, represent an apparent set of information that is NOW KNOWN at the HIGHEST LEVELS of the United States government —
Why, all of a sudden, did DoD Sec. ESPER increase the number of U.S. military facilities being made ready / already in use, for isolation or Quarantine, of U.S. citizens, from 4 bases to 11 bases?
Why did the US Fire Administration send out a directive regarding how to deal with the Wuhan Coronavirus in terms of First Responders / firefighters?
Why did the CDC issue directives to U.S. employers about how to get ready to respond to a Wuhan Coronavirus pandemic being declared in the United States?
Why did LA County issue a directive to all First Responders about how to deal with Wuhan Coronavirus when responding to an emergency call?
Why did the Defense Department issue a directive to the U.S. Northern Command to all branches regarding preparing for a Wuhan Coronavirus outbreak in the United States? (DoD 3551-13)
It would appear that these levels of government seem to know information that is DIFFERENT from what the general public is being told.
If this is so, it would then be reasonable to FINISH TO COMPLETION quite soon, the gathering of household supplies, finalization of action plans, and other preparations, for what may be coming faster than anybody thought.

bakocarl

I didn’t keep the refernce, but if I remember it correctly, the Ro of the WuFlu is now thought to be from 4 to about 6. That’s a very high growth rate. If that’s so, when members of the general population start getting this flu, it will spread rapidly. So, we will need an ample supply of facilities where we can isolate exposed people and people that may have been exposed.
This is clearly a situation where it’s better to develop an excess capability that may not ever be used as opposed to being caught short.
Also, a very useful data point would be the capacity of each of these facilities. At 200 apiece, they would probably be inadequate. At 20,000 apiece, then . . . ??? I really don’t know, but I’ll come down on the side of over preparation.

kalbokalbs

It appears that the Ro (reproduction rate) of the virus is anywhere between 2.4 – 4.7 – 6.6.
An Ro of 4.7 – 6.6 is the equivalent to the reproduction rate for RUBELLA, POLIO, and SMALL POX.
http://www.medrxiv.org/ is a website for papers on investigations / research on the virus.
^^^ Above posted by CV, on my laptop, top of this page.

Gail Combs

ALSO, San Francisco politicians met with the Chinese community.

Jessie Liang
‏@JessieKTSF
#SanFrancisco Dept. of #Emergency Management and Dept. of #PublicHealth meet with #Chinese #community leaders in a close-door meeting about the impact of the novel #coronavirus. #2019nCoV #中文 #Video @SF_emergency @SF_DPH

On the other hand President Trump is NOT going to sit back in a situation like this. Remember he FIRED OH!Bummer’s Pandemic group.

Gail Combs

Larry Ledwick says:
11 February 2020 at 10:57 pm

US Post office temporarily ceases deliveries to China and Hongkong.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/3050103/coronavirus-us-postal-service-suspends-items-destined-china-and-hong
New paper estimating R0 for COVID-19
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.07.20021154v1

…we estimated that the number of infected individuals during early epidemic double every 2.4 days, and the R0 value is likely to be between 4.7 and 6.6. We further show that quarantine and contact tracing of symptomatic individuals alone may not be effective and early, strong control measures are needed to stop transmission of the virus….

I have heard several references that the tests are unreliable, I think the protocol is to take 3 different swabs, nasal, throat and one other but not positive it is rectal.
Some of the doctors said they had to test some patients 2-3 times to get a positive test on patients who were clearly sick.

Larry Ledwick says:
12 February 2020 at 1:10 am

If the true R0 value for 2019-nCoV is between 4.7 and 6.6 that puts it in the same catagory as polio, rubella and small pox for comparison.

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bakocarl

Ah, yes. The CDC has got this situation well under control!
https://www.thedailybeast.com/brewing-coronavirus-mutiny-at-california-marine-base-slams-cdc-response
FTA – “Evacuees from the epicenter of the new, deadly coronavirus under quarantine at a Marine Corps base in San Diego veered toward revolt on Wednesday after U.S. officials admitted to mistakenly releasing an infected patient back into the group.”
– – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
A “petition asks that “everyone in the facility be tested;” that the evacuees be given masks and disinfectants; that hand sanitizers be available in public areas, including a playground; that they not be forced to gather in large groups; that town hall meetings be conducted via conference call; and that public areas be regularly disinfected throughout the day.”
– – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
“The CDC’s current working assumption is the virus won’t spread until symptoms develop,” the petition says. “However, we strongly disagree with using that assumption as the basis against broader testing.”
“The CDC did not immediately respond to a request for comment from The Daily Beast on Wednesday.”
“Everyone who reads about these intensive CDC screenings doesn’t realize that we aren’t even being tested,” said Wilson. “The screenings are a huge joke: temperature check and are you symptomatic. That’s it.”
“Though people on both of the flights that arrived in San Diego last week were split in two groups upon arrival, Wilson said they all gathered together for meals, meetings, and temperature checks.
“The first three days that we were here, we had no luggage and had no change of clothes and weren’t able to do laundry,” he said. “We’re required to go out three to four times a day from our rooms to get fed and have our temperature taken.”
“We’re trying our best to disinfect things with the hand soap that we’ve been given, even though we don’t have disinfectant,” Wilson added. “We’re frustrated and worried.”
Wilson said other evacuees were told that the infected woman “had no close contacts,” but that such a claim begged the question, “Who was she sitting next to for 12 hours on the flight? If sitting next to somebody shoulder-to-shoulder and talking to them for 12 hours doesn’t count as a close contact, then what does?”
More at the article reference.

Gail Combs

Sounds like the CDC is typical bureaucratic incompetent ASSES! Betadine scrub, alcohol and at MINIMUM just plain old CHLOROX should have been made available along with masks.
Various compounds to sterilize (ie alcohols, chlorine compounds etc.)
https://www.cdc.gov/infectioncontrol/guidelines/disinfection/disinfection-methods/chemical.html
I read the CDC REFUSED to allow the military any say.

ossqss says:
27 January 2020 at 5:41 pm
Update (1150ET): Dr. Nancy Messonnier, the Director of the Center for the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases (NCIRD), spoke on behalf of the CDC. During the press conference, she said that the US had identified 110 people who are under observation and being tested for the virus. While 5 cases have already been identified in the US, another 32 have definitively tested negative.

Larry Ledwick says:
7 February 2020 at 6:16 pm
Persons Evaluated for 2019 Novel Coronavirus — United States, January 2020
Early Release / February 7, 2020 / 69
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6906e1.htm
All 210 persons who were tested were symptomatic:
143 (68%) had subjective fever or a measured temperature ≥100.4°F (≥38°C), and 189 (90%) had cough or shortness of breath. Upper respiratory tract symptoms (i.e., sore throat, rhinorrhea, or congestion) were common and were present in nine persons who did not have cough or shortness of breath.
[ 30 ] Thirty persons were reported to test positive for another respiratory viral pathogen, including influenza or respiratory syncytial virus.
[ 42 ] Forty-two (20%) patients were hospitalized, and
[ 4 ] four (2%) were admitted to an intensive care unit.
[ 1 ] One patient was deceased at the time of notification; testing for this person was negative, and an alternative cause of death was established.
Travel-related risk was identified for 148 (70%) persons, 42 (20%) had close contact with ill patients with laboratory-confirmed 2019-nCoV infection or PUIs, 18 (9%) had both travel- and contact-related risks, and two (<1%) had possible contact with a laboratory-confirmed 2019-nCoV patient and were therefore tested.
Among the 210 persons tested, 11 (5%) were found to have 2019-nCoV infection.
Nine of these persons had traveled to Wuhan City; two persons had not traveled but had been in close contact with patients with laboratory-confirmed 2019-nCoV in the United States.
All were symptomatic with fever (subjective or measured) or cough.

So they are not testing until AFTER symptoms appear and they are not making any attempt to protect those in quarantine. 🙄

bakocarl

“All 210 persons who were tested were symptomatic” but only 11 had WuFlu. But WuFlu sometimes takes several tests before it is detected even in symptomatic patients. How much do you want to bet that some of those patients also had some other ailment WITH WuFlu? It just didn’t show up on the test.

plumnelly1

The CDC has long been on my “suspicious cat” radar. More so after the mysterious death of one of their young doctors was found floating in an Atlanta river. Not allowing the military any say is telling of Obama stormtroopers.

Cuppa Covfefe

Yep. Another Øblowhole deep-state agency that VSGPDJT is going to have to purge and rebuild. The DEMONicRATS have done untold damage to our country, our morals, our infrastructure, and our heritage. Hell-the-BEAST would have finished the dirty deed…
Time to eliminate the SES once and for all. They should be employed at-will just like the rest of us. Of course that requires honest ranking procedures, etc., which is another problem, but right now the deadwood and perps are impossible to remove…

plumnelly1

So true and frightening when you think of our very health and existence in the hands of these people.

bakocarl

Japan is reporting 5 new cases of WuFlu, and in all cases they don’t know how they caught it. So, it’s into the general population in Japan.
https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/

A taxi driver is infected. They don’t know from where, he may have driven a passenger from China. He’s driven how many others for how long before being diagnosed?

bakocarl

And I wonder where that passenger is.

So monitoring Twitter. Yesterday people were chatting/confused as it seems Wuhan has ordered everyone to go back to work on 2/14. There are notices posted with dos/don’ts. Will see tomorrow what happens. Today there are videos of workers sitting at desks/computers with heads down as guy in hazmat suit walks around spray blasting disinfectant all over the room. There’s also a photo of Xi addressing a group about getting back to work to help the economy. It’s outside, no telling where. Then you have Gordon Chang telling us that Shanghai internet is down, followed by government announcements that Shanghai travel ban is now in place. Now this bit of propaganda. China is more worried about their economy which must be in the toilet, than health of their citizens. No surprise there. But to hell with them and their DEMANDS that the world come get sick and die with them!!

A very much doubt many countries or PILOTS will be willing to fly to China at this point.
Targets OLDER MEN??? Yeah, I as an older male pilot ,am going to agree to fly to China….

wheatietoo

What the heck are they spraying?!
😳😬

Some kind of disinfectant??? Hope it’s not bleach!

smiley2

I’ll bet it’s something lethal to humans , for 60,000+, Alex.

Cuppa Covfefe

Who (WHO) ya gonna call???
Prayers for those folks, victims of their insane, demonic, selfish rulers…
Same as the folks one and two levels above Satan Soros. Seems like the “Left Behind” series was closer to truth than most folks thought; though Satan Soros is a little old to be Carpathia…

GA/FL

60,349 – Yesterday
64,441 – Today
15 cases today USA – 14 yesterday

GA/FL

UV Lights tested effective against nCoV coronavirus:
https://www.mrsa-uv.com/cronavirus-cov.htmlcomment image

GA/FL

Price list of various size units – https://www.mrsa-uv.com/products-prices.html

bakocarl

I wonder if a UV lighted endoscope inserted into each lung would be helpful. There might be UV light strength issues, of course, and not complete eradication due to all the shaded nooks and crannies in the lung.

GA/FL

UV light in surgery – being tested and done! https://www.americanairandwater.com/uv-facts/UV-operating-room.htm

GA/FL

So – it’s being used to prevent infection, no articles re: curing infection. Might be an interesting experiment.

Dora

GA/FL

THIS is a major national security risk-danger!!!

Cuppa Covfefe

Back when Nixon opened the door to Red China, I worried about supply chain issues, especially with regard to strategic items (military supply chain, infrastructure, etc.). People thought I was crazy (OK, they still do, but for different reasons 😛 ) I could scream when I think of the shipyards that used to be up by Richmond that pumped out ships seemingly on a daily basis, with their HUGE marine cranes and other equipment; then looking at the WilliBrown™ erection known as the replacement span on the SF-Oakland Bay Bridge, built with Chinese materials, Chinese tooling, Chinese workers, Chinese “tech”, and, worst of all, Chinese “Quality”… I used to drive the Cypress structure every day, and often the Embarcadero Freeway as well, and I’d rank both of them as a better risk in an earthquake than that cheap Chinese $#!+ 😡 😡 😡
I’ve heard over here in Europe that our antibiotic supply is facing shortages… Time to break out that bread mold, I guess…
When are countries (and people in general) going to realize that self-reliance is a necessary and valuable trait, and that complete interdepence (that butterfly in the middle of nowhere crap) invites many multiple points of failure… and windfall profits for the globalists…

GA/FL

As a builder, DJT early on became wise to the cheap cr4p the Chinese were selling to US buyers.

Dora

What must these people be going through?

bakocarl

“What must these people be going through?” That actually hit me a little hard this morning. If you don’t look at the bureaucrat Commies, but instead think of the average Joe with his family, the impact in many, many cases is horrendous.
Being carted off to a WuFlu concentration camp to die of WuFlu when you only have a slight fever from fluA is a mind gripping thought . . . and then your family gets hauled off with you because they had contact with you, not because they have any symptoms.
Not good to think too deeply about this. Instead . . . pray.

bakocarl

Reinfection and up to 6 false negatives while infecting others . . . more great newa! /s
Chinese doctors say Wuhan coronavirus reinfection even deadlier
Instead of creating immunity the virus can reportedly reinfect an individual and hasten fatal heart attack
By Jules Quartly, Taiwan News, 2020/02/14 15:02
Coronavirus
TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — It’s possible to get infected by the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) a second time, according to doctors on the frontline in China’s city of Wuhan, leading to death from heart failure in some cases.
The claim is made by doctors working in the Hubei Province capital that is at the center of the epidemic, which has to date infected 64,201 people and killed 1,487. One of the doctors reached out to a relative living in the United Kingdom, who then informed Taiwan News.
Both the relative and doctors asked to remain anonymous, out of consideration they might face retribution from the Chinese authorities. The doctor, Li Wenliang (李文亮), who first raised warnings about the Wuhan virus, was rebuked by the authorities before succumbing to the devastating disease himself earlier this month.
According to the message forwarded to Taiwan News, “It’s highly possible to get infected a second time. A few people recovered from the first time by their own immune system, but the meds they use are damaging their heart tissue, and when they get it the second time, the antibody doesn’t help but makes it worse, and they die a sudden death from heart failure.”
The source also said the virus has “outsmarted all of us,” as it can hide symptoms for up to 24 days. This assertion has been made independently elsewhere, with Chinese pulmonologist Zhong Nanshan (鍾南山) saying the average incubation period is three days, but it can take as little as one day and up to 24 days to develop symptoms.
Also, the source said that false negative tests for the virus are fairly common. “It can fool the test kit – there were cases that they found, the CT scan shows both lungs are fully infected but the test came back negative four times. The fifth test came back positive.”
According to the BBC and other media outlets, some laboratory tests are incorrectly telling people they are virus-free. There is also anecdotal evidence of people having up to six negative results before being diagnosed correctly.
Dr. Li Wenliang first raised concerns about this. His own test results had come back negative multiple times before he was finally diagnosed.
False negative tests raise question marks over how many people have the Wuhan coronavirus, with many believing the Chinese authorities have massively underreported the number of cases and deaths. Meanwhile, the official methodology for diagnosing the virus in China was changed this week, leading to a sudden leap in the number of recorded cases and deaths.
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3876197

bakocarl

“but the meds they use are damaging their heart tissue” . . . I wonder which specific medications are doing the damage?

kalbokalbs

About five days ago, we read about, “the experimental Remdesivir, antiviral medication” delivering whiz bang great results in Everett, WA.
Wondering both how that patient is doing today (healthy or relapse) AND has this drug been tried on other Corona patients. If yes to the latter, results?

bakocarl

Plasma from recovered patients used in virus fight
China National Biotec Group announced on Thursday evening that virus-neutralising antibodies had been detected in the plasma of patients who have recovered from Covid-19, and experiments have proven they can effectively kill the virus, according to a Beijing News report on Friday.
The company said it had successfully prepared the plasma for clinical treatment after strict blood biological safety testing, virus inactivation and antiviral activity testing. The plasma had been used to treat 11 patients in critical condition, with significant results, it said.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3050570/coronavirus-hubei-province-reports-4823-new-cases-and-116-more

bakocarl

Yup. Typhoid Tanaka . . . and this is just an example of how it gets into the general population.
Man in 60, new confirmed case in Aichi (close to Nagoya) the symptoms appeared when he was on vacationing Hawaii.
New Case
NHK (only in Japanese now) A 60+ Japanese man stayed in Hawaii on holiday from 1/28 to 2/7, he started to have flu like symptoms on 2/3 in Hawaii, he went back to Japan and since 2/8 self quarantined himself till 2/13 he went to hospital and confirmed he has infected with the coronavirus.

bakocarl

Of course, given that the time between exposure and the appearance of symptoms can be as short as 1 day, the guy could easily have caught the bug in Hawaii.

Concerned Virginian

bakocarl
28 January to 13 February is 17 days. You are correct, the person could have been exposed to the Wuhan Coronavirus on 28 January in HAWAII.
Therefore — HOW MANY people did this person come into contact with between 28 January and 13 February? We’re talking in the potential of HUNDREDS — including in the hotel, restaurants, shopping places, the beach, etc., etc., while in Hawaii / then at the airport in Hawaii, on the plane, in the airport in Japan, the taxi to his home.

bakocarl

Exactly!!!

Lots of details in here. Chilling, disturbing tweets of high rise apartment buildings once previously lit, now completely dark, save a few windows, questioning if that means they’ve all died, OMG.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-says-nearly-2000-doctors-nurses-infected-shortages-medical-supplies-persist
Summary:
China says 1,716 medical workers have been infected
WHO demands to know more about sick doctors, insists group of 12 virus experts will reach Beijing over the weekend
Singapore reports largest daily jump in cases amid increased human-to-human transmission
Hong Kong reports 3 new cases
Hubei’s new party boss orders quarantine tightened
President Xi touts new “biosecurity law”
Hong Kong Disney land offers space for quarantine
Chinese company says blood plasma of recovered patients useful in combating the virus
US mulling new travel restrictions
Japan reports 4 new cases; one patient recently returned from Hawaii.
CDC Director: Virus is “Coming” to the US.

Graphs of electricity output and traffic as a means to monitor (lack of) activity.
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/china-has-ground-halt-ground-indicators-confirm-worst-case-scenario

smiley2

latest stats…
64, 473 (reported) cases worldwide
1,384 (reported) deaths +122 updated (in red hilited square on Table)
7,182 (reportedly) recovered
USA 15 cases
29 countries & territories worldwide
link…
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
updated, Feb 14, 2020.

Wolf Moon
smiley2

TY
no problem 🙂

smiley2

did the akismet part…checked the 4th option…waiting for them to “get back to me”…?

SteveInCO

Let us take these numbers as reliable (even though, I don’t think either one of us does).
There are a certain number of cases that have played their way through to the endgame, and we can use those to look at what the outcome seems to be (without having to do in depth analysis of past data). These people are all at the end point of what the disease do to them, and so:
8576 people have had the disease, and no longer have it.
Of them, 1374 died of it.
That tells ME that the poor people who still have it have a 16 percent (close to 1 in 6) chance of dying. Roll a one through five, you live, roll a six, you die.

smiley2

Bannon’s Pandemic War Room…Ep. 17 …2 hrs ago…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTCRDELQDS8

smiley2

punchline : in “complex systems” (global logistics), Draconian actions (risk mitigation) must be taken NOW.
…or this pandemic will grow out of control
what is needed NOW is radical social separation (distancing) …there is no vaccine…and there will not be an effective vaccine any time soon (enough)…could actually be millions who are sickened by this..
…because quarantines are too late …and not working, at this level.
and the burden of proof is on CCP…Chinese apparatus was incompetent and caught in a lie.
first victims could easily have been as early as October 2019…100 days were lost, by the end of Dec 2019 !
(close all the borders, imo…to all international travel)