20200325: CoronaCRISIS/China Crisis Daily Thread + Dear Congress, Please Get Your Act Together

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We’ll get through this crisis, together. As a group, there is probably no one better prepared than we are.

For our newcomers: The Q Tree community has been diligent in covering the threat of Coronavirus, COVID19, Wuhan FLU. We started accumulating information about this virus in mid-late January, in what became almost weekly threads. We’ve been weeks, if not months, ahead of MSM outlets to vet rumors and other medical papers, etc.

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

DNC TREACHERY AGAINST AMERICA!!!

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Nevada’s Democrat Governor Issues Emergency Order Barring Use of Anti-Malaria Drugs For Coronavirus Patients


March 24, 2020, 9:05 pm by Cristina Laila 642 Comments
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/nevadas-democrat-governor-issues-emergency-order-barring-use-of-anti-malaria-drugs-for-coronavirus-patients/

Gudthots

He’s working on being a one term governor…

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

What a HEARTLESS political SCUMBAG is all I have to say.

scott467

“What a HEARTLESS political SCUMBAG is all I have to say.”
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The guaranteed loss of life — or even the loss of everybody’s life — is not personal with the Cabal.
It’s just business…
Which just happens to be reason #7,968 why we should make eliminating the Cabal our business. 😁

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

They’re not stupid – they’re evil.

cthulhu

He’s working on being run out of town on a rail.
And, in Nevada, the out-of-town areas are generally pretty hostile.
That’s going all-in on an unrelated 2/3 in your hand, when the flop is showing jacks and queens.

prognosticatasaurusrex

he might not make a full term, recall his ass.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yup. And TOO BAD, but one less Democrat governor, coming right up. 2023. Perfect for 2024.
It’s time to make pols PAY for listening to CHICOM FAKE NEWS. Perfect opportunity. This guy can be DESTROYED. Even if Pelosi’s spies wise him up fast here, he looks like a TOAD for going against it just “because Trump”. The TRUMP RALLY for his next opponent should be filled with BOOS when Governor Fishtank is mentioned.

scott467

“Stupid and ill-informed”
_______________
Or premeditated, completely informed, with malice aforethought.
It is dangerous to attribute to stupidity that which could be the result of malice or guile.” – Aubergine’s Razor

Aubergine

Yep. Perfect usage.

singingsoul1

Premeditated murder if it is proven that the malaria med is positive treading patience.

🦋🤸‍♀️🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🤸‍♀️🦋

Can’t wait til it turns out to be the cure!!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yup. TAKE PICTURES of those SINS AGAINST THE PEOPLE, because GOVERNOR FISHTANK is gonna TANK next time. 😎

Gudthots

There are people who are totally convinced the DNC stole that election from the REP candidate.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Would not surprise me AT ALL.

michaelh

Yep we want to know what happened in LV b/c it didn’t stay in LV

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

My leftist niece is very much all about medicine (she has nothing but contempt for anti-vaccine people); this might be what can get her to say “hey, that’s actually fucking stupid and deadly.”

GA/FL

Nevada is a creepy state – they’ve got Vegas and Reno – like Mardi Gras bacchanal all year long – with gambling and prostitution, p0rn, human trafficking – mafia magnets.

prognosticatasaurusrex

Well, they ARE the party of abortion, LATE TERM abortion, and death panels, just sayin.

TheseTruths

I don’t expect the Nevada governor to hold the line on this; I think the fallout will be too great. But the Dems are getting bolder in their resistance and in pushing their agenda. They used to try to hide their true intentions, but no more. They don’t seem to care how their actions look, and they have learned nothing over the last five years.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

These curiously brazen actions against the interests of the people, only to relent later, seem to be part of the Democrats’ psychological reinforcement of the idea that they are “in charge” and “you people are not”.
Even if they relent, it is because “that is their job and their right”. It’s very MONARCHIC. It’s conditioning. And we don’t CONDITION BACK like we should.

prognosticatasaurusrex

His, and other actions DOWNPLAYING and STOPPING chloroquine, a drug that has been in WORLD WIDE constant use since the FORTY’S, should tell you all you need to know, it IS the cure, they just want their weapon.

kalbokalbs

Besides the potential loss of life, pain, suffering and stress, there is NO shortage of the damn drugs.
Pure EVIL politics. Can’t imagine it is logically anything else.
Going back into my hole for awhile. This one really has me pissed off.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yeah, I hear you. Hard not to wish bad things on somebody who is KILLING PEOPLE (literally) simply for politics.
I woke up with more shortness of breath than I went to bed with – and I’m lucky to be alive. People do NOT WANT THIS STUFF.
I’ll be blunt – if a loved one started having shortness of breath in NV, I would hold up a pharmacy for hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin – and PAY FOR IT. Get the drug – hold off the cops until it works – and then surrender to the cops. That’s my kind of civil disobedience under the circumstances.
Governor MURDER can go to hell.

Rodney Short

Keeping you in our prayers Wolf as well as everyone here.
I have been having a hard time shaking what ever I have and Kimi has been riding my ass about smoking.
This to shall pass 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Good luck and God Bless! Think about listening to her – a TEMPORARY STOP to smoking might be just what you need to kick the bug!

Rodney Short

I smoke 2 packs a day, the thought of quitting is sounding better just not today.
I have been pounding down Canada Dry cranberry ginger ale all day and am feeling a little better.
Kimi has been feeding me a BRAT diet
Banana, rice, applesauce and toast it helps…
God bless you Wolf.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

You too! <3
And just a temporary reduction will help, too! Lots of great options. Pack a day will ease your lungs. Half a pack, even better.
I dialed it down, so when I did cold turkey, it STUCK!!!
And now the CCP gone and undid all that work I did, so now I get to go undo all their work. 😉 🐺

Rodney Short

I quit for 7 months a few years back it felt pretty good after smoking for over 40 years.
All this breathing stuff going on am gonna slow down to half a pack a day and quit.
I have a couple of old prescriptions for chantix I never used, that should help if their still good.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yup, it might help. If they make you feel bad just try without, because I did it without nicotine or anything else. In 2-3 weeks it’s over – your body will reset. You know – you quit before. Easier each time. Trust that!

Rodney Short

Amen

Teagan

This is almost unbelievable! Or any elected official with that much power to do this is mind-boggling. At the very least he must run it by his state court system, I would think.
Well, hopefully there’s a silver lining to all these liberal actions….awakening!
On that note…great article on Lucianne about how crisis brings out the ugly side of people…specific examples, including LA City Council, James Clyburn, etc.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Trump Unmasking Effect is UNMASKING LIKE CRAZY!!!

prognosticatasaurusrex

He, like ALL leftists in politics, have FORGOTTEN that their “power” comes DIRECTLY from we the people. We can give it, and we CAN take it AWAY. Some of these little Napoleons are on a lustful power trip the likes of which will not be seen again, and they are RELISHING in it, and doing what leftists ALWAYS do…overreach. There WILL be a price, and not just a political one for them taking advantage of this crisis. WATCH. Oh, and it will NOT have to wait to an election day either. NONE of them are safe politically, OR electorally. They need to be REMINDED of that.
It must be GREAT to be a self absorbed narcissist, and tell we the people what we can and CANNOT do, even to CURE ourselves. That is why this crisi, and the way it was overblown is so DANGEROUS.
Trump KNOWS that we the people, like a caged animal, CANNOT be held in quarantine for too long, or being Americans, we WILL push back, and push back HARD.
He KNOWS, and is doing all he can, he sees the numbers, he sees the death rate declining, and he watches and listens to the BLATANT propaganda and taking advantage of the crisis by the left and the MSM. He also knows that nothing but 24/7 virus news WILL lead to cabin fever, and then to ANGER.
Like a coiled spring, this can ONLY be held up for SO long. Trump is offering the light at the end of the tunnel, the left keep moving the goal post, and THAT shows the TRUE agenda, they want a recession, which is technically 2 or more quarters of negative growth, that would mean 6 months, hey just in time for the election.
There is simply NO WAY the American people will put up for MORE than ONE month of this, WON’T HAPPEN, no matter all the public safety and patriotic duty blather the left push. Trump knows, he knows he too was snowed by the projections, but he acted in GOOD FAITH, and did what needed to be done.
Now he ALSO must do what needs to be done, and get this country moving again. Look at the country as a freight train, it is EASY to slow down OR speed up. It is VERY hard to stop on a dime, and even HARDER to start it back up from zero to full speed.
Right now we are NOT stopped, but we ARE crawling, a couple locomotives are down. Trump is busy fixing them on the fly, and soon he will fire up one, and then the other, and we be ROLLING again.

Gudthots

World Health Organization is part of the resistance to all that is good and right in the world…
https://wearethene.ws/notable/91826
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RE: SWEET WORMWOOD – WHO doesn’t approve of it.
https://slate.com/technology/2013/04/wormwood-tea-to-treat-malaria-the-who-is-opposed-to-an-effective-preventive-medicine.html
The WHO vs. the Tea Doctor
For once, an herbal remedy actually works. Why are malaria experts against it?
By Brendan Borrell
April 04, 2013 – 3:51 PM
ENTEBBE, Uganda—It’s a little after 9 a.m. on the Wagagai Flower Farm, and Robert Watsusi pedals a bicycle laden with two 3-gallon jugs of a hot, bitter black tea. As he rounds a corner, workers emerge from football field–size growing houses to imbibe their weekly dose of the elixir they say keeps them free from malaria. “When I see people taking it, I feel happy,” says Watsusi. “It is very good for everyone.”
The tea comes from sweet wormwood (Artemisia annua), the Chinese plant that is a source for the world’s most powerful anti-malarial treatments, which combine artemisinin derivatives with an older class of drugs. It can also be grown in wetter parts of Africa, and a year’s supply costs no more than a few dollars. Although the tea itself has traditionally been used in treatment, not prevention, in China, a randomized controlled trial on this farm showed that workers who drank it regularly reduced their risk of suffering from multiple episodes of malaria by one-third. For a group of people who were once waylaid by this mosquito-borne disease four or more times per year, the tea is a godsend.
Which is why you may be surprised to learn that the World Health Organization and a majority of malaria researchers are adamantly opposed to it. To be fair, there are compelling reasons not to endorse an herbal tea in a fight against a potentially deadly disease. After all, conventional single-molecule drugs are honed through chemistry to be safer, more specific, and more effective than their herbal progenitors. More critically, malaria experts worry that unregulated use of this tea could cause the malaria parasite to develop resistance to artemisinin drugs.
But the tea’s mere existence and its rapid spread challenges the view that conventional pharmaceuticals are the best and only way of managing Africa’s health care problems. After all, experts in the international aid world talk a lot about sustainability, and nothing is more sustainable than a drug grown on a shrub.
Of all the illnesses that have afflicted humanity over millennia, few have left their mark quite like malaria, which infects 200 million people each year and kills at least 655,000, most of whom are children. Falciparum malaria—the most common type in sub-Saharan Africa—starts as a debilitating fever, which can progress in severe cases to convulsions, brain damage, and death. In this part of the world, it’s almost impossible to stay completely free of the parasites for long. Adults often display a low level of immunity, which makes each subsequent infection painful and unpleasant but usually not fatal.
The story of artemisinin demonstrates that even the best malaria drugs are worthless if they are not getting to the people who need them. In the late 1990s, African malaria parasites had become resistant to standard treatments such as chloroquine, and malaria deaths in Uganda doubled in a decade. By the early 2000s, there was a proven alternative: artemisinin combination therapies. Nevertheless, the Global Fund for AIDS, Tuberculosis, and Malaria repeatedly rejected countries’ requests for money for ACTs, funding failing treatments over ACTs at a rate of 10-to-1. In 2004, a group of fed-up scientists writing in the Lancet called these decisions “medical malpractice.” Today, although ACTs are heavily subsidized by the international aid community, local clinics frequently run out of stock, and Africans often end up with substandard, ineffective, and sometimes counterfeit medications.
Long before ACTs were available in Uganda, rumors of Artemisia’s powers began to spread. In 1998, a German organization called Action for Natural Medicine (Anamed) began distributing seeds and cuttings from Artemisia, including a potent hybrid called A3, in 75 different countries.
One day in the town of Masaka, I met an enthusiastic Ugandan woman named Rehema Namyalo, who founded the local Anamed outpost and makes her living advising her neighbors and selling herbal treatments. After giving a tour of her medicinal garden, she unfurled colorful, handmade posters. One read, “Making A3 Leaf Tea for Malaria Treatment for Adult of Weight 50kg+.” Another illustrates the proper spacing for Artemisia plants in a field.
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Gudthots

Okay, I decided to check out availability of Atemisia as an alternative to Hydroxychloroquine.
Here’s one reputable US herbal site. Completely out of stock.
https://www.pacificbotanicals.com/store/artemisia-annua-organic-powdered-tops.html
You CAN buy seeds and grow your own, but might not be enough time at the moment.
https://strictlymedicinalseeds.com/product/artemisia-annua-seeds-organic
The owner of Medicinal Seeds seems quite knowledgable.

Richo is an internationally recognized expert on the cultivation, processing and usage of medicinal plants. He is the author of the popular herbal, Making Plant Medicine. His life-long interest in seed saving lead to extensive travel and plant exploration, largely in the USA and Africa but also in South America, China and Europe.
This collection of seeds, including numerous unique introductions and rare plants as well as many common medicinal plants and permacultural trees, is currently conserved and multiplied in his greenhouses and gardens.
Strictly Medicinal, LLC is the name of this organic seed company and nursery based in Williams, Oregon.

Aubergine

I have Richo’s book on making herbal remedies. He IS very knowledgeable.
I will be ordering seeds to grow Artemisia annua. I already grow Artemisia absinthium.
These plants CAN BE POISONOUS in too high a dosage, so people need to be CAREFUL. Please, don’t contribute to the anti-Trump narrative by killing yourself like those Darwin Award winners with the fish tank chemical.

zorrorides

Aubergine, your surprising tidbit of reply-comment leads me to SMH in wonder at the readers/talkers of Wolfie’sWorld. I offer a corollary:
Never suppose there is a field/subject/information in the purview of professionals/officials/high-paids in which a QTree/CTH person can not offer better informed thoughts. Freedom is always preferable to Washington DC.

Aubergine

Thank you for that lovely compliment! And I agree, we have some incredible minds here, people much smarter than me!

coosmama

TTT, I cannot find any research that shows wormwood having EGCG, the compound in chloroquine which allows zinc to fight the virus. While wormwood is anti-parasitic and has a few anti-microbial properties, it can be very toxic. Please do more research before going whole hog on this herb. For more natural EGCG, look into bitter green tea.

coosmama

Magamom, rather than relying on internet, may I suggest you take an 8 yr MD/DO program, or a 6 yr ARNP program, or at least a 3 yr Master Herbalist program that is certified or Guild approved. Or invest the time and do all 3, in phases. Time spent in study, is much nicer than time spent in unsure anxieties.

MAGA Mom

Wow!! Thanks for the vote of confidence in my academic abilities! 😉
Raising a son so no time for career/school. Plus Way to old for such things anyway as I am in my…well, no spring chicken and in a higher risk category for WuFlu.
Husband MD/PhD at top 10 medical school … but not me and not now.
I can’t imagine studying for the MCATs, later for the boards, keeping those med school hours, the ER, OB/GYN or Internal medicine rotations…residency…tired just thinking about it! ha Plus, I would need to probably take some undergrad courses (I did Nothing biology/chem/math in undergrad) just to be ready for MCATs. Nope – not even a near possibility as I am pretty busy on my current career of housewife and now homeschool mom + political activism/volunteer.
Yes, we read many books and various sources + cross reference for possible interactions as well as read medical journals (I just read the abstracts! ha) and the details of studies, the inserts on meds and vaccines, etc. but I don’t need to have a degree to do that, now do I?
But thanks for the advice. so sweet of you to think I have that kind energy and intelligence!

MAGA Mom

Oops! Just noticed your last sentence, “Time spent in study, is much nicer than time spent in unsure anxieties.” Sorry if I came across as anxious when talking about wormwood.
I was curious and interested. No, am pretty confident in what we have on hand after ordering a few extra expectorants.
I went back to the web site because I was planning to place another order in April of usual things of which we are running low (esp. citrus that I use for cleaning). Was just nosey/curious as to what others were buying…kind of like shoppers looking into each other’s carts in the grocery store. 😉 ha!
Notice wormwood and wondered but not enough to look it up. Reading about it here reminded me of what I had seen and just musing/wondering/learning. That is all. I am always curious, always wanting to undersigned and always open to learning more. but not stressed or “anxious”. Sorry I gave that impression

Gudthots

I’m watching to see what substances are running out of stock more than reading the research papers. Seems you have some expertise and I appreciate your correction. Sorry if I misspoke.

MAGA Mom

this may explain why Butterfly Express is so low on wormwood. I have kept tabs on the items which have run out and the items that they are now limiting to 1 or 2 per customer as I am curious as to what other people are buying and then researching why that particular item is in sudden demand. Most I recognize and know why & some are part of the list I chose for us but some were new to me or a puzzle.
Wormwood was not one with which I was familiar and was still puzzled even after looking it up. Now it has become clear that others knew what they were doing as maybe a connection to anti viral? IDK – I get the olive leaf (anti viral), lobelia, lomatium, elderberries, etc. but didn’t get the run on wormwood. Will be interesting to learn more as results are made known.
https://butterflyexpress.shop/pages/limited-stock
https://butterflyexpress.shop/pages/out-of-stocks

coosmama

It is spring. There is always a run on wormwood for those who do parasite cleanses. Ask your local Master Herbalist. Wormwood does not appear to have the virus-fighting compound in chloroquine.

coosmama

And the same with olive leaf. It is a safer parasite cleanse for children, and pregant women. Although there is disagreement on pregnant women doing parasite cleanses in the first place.

zorrorides

I noticed the word ‘absinthium’. Can we drink this stuff? Hmm?

MAGA Mom

I figured that was the reason for the Walnut tincture and thought that might be the wormwood too. But now I am wondering if some might be using it as an antiviral???
I am for outside but we keep our shoes on so not as regular with spring cleanses. I am granola..with limits! ha

coosmama

Left you a reply that may help, Maga, but it wound up on TTT’s reply. Sorry!

MAGA Mom

found it & replied above

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

This is important for GETTING BACK TO WORK.
ALL the ASYMPS.
ALL the RECOVERIES.
Back on the job WITHOUT ALL THE HIGH-LEVEL PROTECTIVE GEAR. Nature’s vaccine INSTALLED.comment image

GOOD NEWS! First US Test Developed to See if People Were Already Infected by Coronavirus — Will Help Put America Back to Work!


March 24, 2020, 8:06 pm by Jim Hoft 102 Comments
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/good-news-first-us-test-developed-to-see-if-you-were-already-infected-by-coronavirus-will-help-put-america-back-to-work/

michaelh

To the source!
TGP quoted from this source article:
BREAKING: The First U.S. Test to Detect If a Person Has Potential Immunity to COVID-19 Was Just Developed
Kira Peikoff March 22, 2020
https://leapsmag.com/breaking-the-first-u-s-test-to-detect-if-a-person-has-potential-immunity-to-covid-19-was-just-developed/comment image

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I think I’ve read that they’ve used plasma from some survivors in transfusion therapies, or at least it was under consideration.

Alison

Yes, there are plasma trials being done; I can’t recall where, but the Surgeon General mentioned it again today.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Excellent!

prognosticatasaurusrex

multiple paths, and then the TRUTH will be known that we all already had our bout with this and it is nowhere NEAR the level of PANIC the left instilled. Testing to see just WHO has already had this WILL tell the TRUTH, look for the left to ATTACK this, as it will DESTROY their weapon combined with the CURE(S)
There are simply MILLIONS here that have ALREAY had this and RECOVERED. THEY (we) ALL have antibodies that CAN be synthesized to make the antidote and it will be CHEAP, plentiful, and EASILY administered as a prophylaxes.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

The problem as I see it is that we are operating on the patient while the out of control Gatling gun is spraying the emergency room.
UNETHICAL VIRUS RESEARCH MUST END!!!
GATES AND SOROS MUST ANSWER!!!

prognosticatasaurusrex

Absolutely!

cthulhu

I can (and do) scroll past it here….but that image is what I take generic Xanax to avoid in real life. I’m not a leftist and I’m calling for no ban — but I don’t see how that image furthers your argument. Use it when it illustrates your point, please think twice when it is tangential.
And, BTW, when I don’t immediately click away from them, I’m a great fan of your posts.

GA/FL

THIS IS GOOD NEWS!!!
QUOTE:
“While testing for COVID-19 ramps up around the country, there’s another kind of testing that will prove equally important to combating the pandemic: one that can detect whether someone has already been infected.
Why is this important? As former FDA commissioner Scott Gottlieb wrote in today’s Wall Street Journal: “If a sizable portion of a local community has some protection, authorities can be more confident in relying less on invasive measures. Once deployed, serological tests are cheap, straightforward, and easy to scale.”
Now, a microbiology lab at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, led by Dr. Florian Krammer, has just announced the development of this serological test. Leapsmag spoke with Daniel Stadlbauer, a post-doctoral fellow in the lab who helped lead the work.
Is yours the first serological test available?
They did something similar in South Korea. In the U.S., it’s the first of these tests.
How close are we to rolling this test out to the public?
Last week, we started this process and we finished the protocol today. Mount Sinai is trying to roll this out in the next few days in the clinic to see which patients have been infected with coronavirus recently or have been infected at all.
The protocol we uploaded today can be used as a template for other research labs or hospitals to follow the steps we provided and they should then be able to set up the antibody test. The idea is that this assay can be established anywhere in the world following these steps.
Are there any bottlenecks to getting this rolled out – supply chain or regulation obstacles?
There are no regulations that say you can’t do it. Research labs and hospitals for sure can do it. I’m not aware of supply chain issues because you need basic lab equipment and materials, but I don’t think those are in short supply right now.”
LINK – https://leapsmag.com/breaking-the-first-u-s-test-to-detect-if-a-person-has-potential-immunity-to-covid-19-was-just-developed/

GA/FL

TRUMP SPEED!!!

prognosticatasaurusrex

Trump factor 5 Mr Crusher..ENGAGE!

Valerie Curren

Hope your back is feeling better. You do so many things helping to keep the Q-Tree in tip top shape! Blessings

michaelh

Texas Greg Abbott showing how Texas gets it done!

michaelh

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cthulhu

Oh, hot d***! Gov Abbott wasn’t hiding behind the door when they were handing out smarts.
Wish he’d have gone just one step further though — if restaurants get something in five pound blocks, they should be able to sell half pound bags as “to-go” orders.

michaelh

Yeah Abbott makes Texas proud.
Much better than Rick Perry.
Way ahead of George W.
Light-years ahead of idiot Democrat Ann Richards.
Huh? What’s a Beto?

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I like Perry a LOT, but promoting Abbott was one of his very best moves! 😉

Teagan

I so admire these “outside the box” innovative solutions during these times. THIS is where the USA is EXCEPTIONAL (although not alone…Israel comes to mind).

Gudthots

Ground report told to me: A local made a trip to a “business” Costco today.
No toilet paper.
Many “priced to sell” items in the frozen cases because restaurants aren’t buying the volume they stocked to service.

🦋🤸‍♀️🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🤸‍♀️🦋

scott467

“Dr. Birx: people traveling from NY “should be self-quarantining for 14 days to ensure the virus doesn’t spread.”
Dr. Fauci: “We don’t want [traveling from NY] to be another seeding point for the rest of the country.”
________________
Los Angeles Mayor Garcetti has a solution for that.
Anyone who attempts to leave NY gets their power and water shut off.
Go ahead Cuomo, try it.
I dare ya 😂

cthulhu

Next step — Carnival offers 14-day cruises from NYC to Miami with entry upon arrival…..

🦋🤸‍♀️🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🤸‍♀️🦋

This could be really bad. 6 cases so far, 1800 residents and staff.
https://twitter.com/dailydigger19/status/1242535428059734020?s=20

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

BIG!!!

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BREAKING: White House and Senate Reach Late Night MASSIVE $2 TRILLION Stimulus Package Deal


March 25, 2020, 12:51 am by Cassandra Fairbanks
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/breaking-white-house-and-senate-reach-late-night-massive-2-trillion-stimulus-package-deal/

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

And with Trump in the white house, I actually believe there’s a non zero chance that this bill does not contain any elephant turds.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

LOL! Suspicious Cat is suspicious, but smells no elephant turds yet!

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Oh, believe me, I’m thinking it’s likely that a few are in there.
But for once in my life I’m not *positive* there are some.

cthulhu

It wouldn’t pass without an elephant turd or two….but our VSGPOTUSDJT knows how to get smart people to do their best. I’m suspecting boobytrapped and poisoned elephant turds. Or great big American Greatness results with a thin camouflage coating of uniparty turd to move it along.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Oh, a poo-encased grenade for the other side wouldn’t bother me.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Oh and to be clear, I don’t doubt there are smaller ones…a few cow flops, a number of rabbit raisins, and swarms of mouseturds.
I’m talking about BIG ones here.

eilert

South Korea has been using HCQ in late February already:

Teagan

Interesting question…obvious answer is because it doesn’t fit the China/Soros media agenda.
However, could easily be brought up in daily briefings and on POTUS Twitter.

prognosticatasaurusrex

They want their weapon, and this DESTROYS it, that is why. Like everything else, they think they can hide the TRUTH by obfuscation, stalling, and flat out NOT reporting. They NO LONGER get away with it under Trump!

🦋🤸‍♀️🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🤸‍♀️🦋

Someone already posted this in our research weeks ago. Dr. Oz said he read also. He’s been reading all the published studies from overseas and helping promote chloroquine as an option.

GA/FL

Despite the (expletives deleted) Democrats*…..

*who, like Cuomo, neglected to buy ventilators and protective equipment, electing instead to implement some leftist stupid death cult agenda.

GA/FL

NYT and MSNBC are fake news.
“NYT columnist @michelleinbklyn repeated the lie that a man died after taking an “untested drug” for coronavirus.
It was not the prescription medication President Trump has mentioned. The man ingested fish tank cleaner.
Why didn’t @AriMelber correct the record for viewers?”

GA/FL

Fauci lays it out!

Dora

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Exactly. I feel blessed to have a few days. No respirators for Wolf if I go south.
I am going to have to cut off all contact with people in real life, I think. I can’t afford to get this again. On the bright side, that will heighten my security situation immensely.

GA/FL

$0R0$ funding COVID-19 attack ads against Trump.

MAGA Mom

I think many will see it as horrible and it will backfire among all but the rabid leftists

Deplorable Patriot

No one ever said the man had anything other than self interest in the marrow of his old, brittle bones.

prognosticatasaurusrex

Soros wants HIS weapon, and yes, somewhere down the line HE is involved…bank on it.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

He’s fighting for his life. He funded this IMMORAL and UNETHICAL research, along with BILL GATES.

Cuppa Covfefe

As has been said, they will not be able to walk in public; yet they are facing infinitely greater punishment in eternity:
Matthew 16:26

26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

and
Matthew 10:26-28

26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.
27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

GA/FL

VOTING DEMOCRAT = NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES!

Across the nation – Democrat strongholds have many more cases of COVID-19 than Republican cities and states.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

This is a big deal. I think this explains why Cuomo was so nice to Trump. Talk about a skeleton in the closet.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

This may explain why the media is working so hard to protect Cuomo, giving him total slack on antimalarial use, while bitterly criticizing the usage elsewhere. Then they will create a numerical mythos that NY socialized medicine under Cuomo was the reason NY death rate was so small compared to the rest of the country.

kinthenorthwest

This is just it. Too many of the liberal control cities/states have been too busy trashing Trump, supporting Illegals, and making sure they have the butts of non-Americans covered.
Sad that now so many are affected by the mistakes &/or misspending of liberal leaders, but damn hope it is a lesson learned by all Americans

MAGA Mom

Part of the reason the Democrat areas have more cases is that they are the large, crowded cities that have more international travel.
What I find startling is the way the issues are being handled so differently by leftists v. conservatives. Even on a county level – voting matters and party matters! We have been told party affiliation does not matter in local elections – – WRONG! When we know underlying party affiliation, we know which way they will go when there is an issue on statues, guns, epidemics, etc. We need partisan local elections so we know what their underlying political philosophies are.

prognosticatasaurusrex

Lets see, didn’t some big eared blowhard disaster leftist say “elections have consequences”? Yep they DO.

Ozobserver

This is for Wolf. No idea how reliable this chap is but MCT oil has quite a good reputation and if you have any sort of nebulizer this oil may help your lungs. https://youtu.be/HmrbqzST0CU
P. S. Thank you to everyone at this tree for helping to keep everything in perspective when the western world seems to have lost its mind.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

This is extremely interesting, and matches up with my theory about why intravenous mega-vitamin C works, too.
I believe that the ChiComs and Iranians tested their Gates-Soros-funded biological weapons on prisoners. Those prisoners would have been biologically centered on “normal” physiology, except possibly for SMOKING cigarettes. Killing smokers would be advantageous to these eugenicists, anyway – they clearly liked this one.
But the most important point is this – the bioweapons were EVOLUTIONARILY SELECTED for NORMAL PHYSIOLOGY.
Any treatments which THROW OFF normal biochemistry can derail – to different extents – the biochemistry that the virus needs to propagate, wherever the virus is in the body.
Thus, a biochemically “too reducing” (ascorbic acid, a.k.a. vitamin C) or a biochemically too fatty (MCT) environment makes the virus replication FAIL. Ditto hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine.
Because the virus is functionally like HIV due to bioengineering, it has “functionally inherited” the ability of HIV to synergize with other organisms, a.k.a. opportunistic infections. THAT is where azithromycin comes in – killing the pneumonia organisms that piggyback on ChiCom-19.
It is important that we shut down GATES-SOROS UNETHICAL IMMORAL VIRUS RESEARCH worldwide.

Cuppa Covfefe

A few days back there was a threadreader post (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1236549305189597189.html ) that said:
“… 2/25 The soap dissolves the fat membrane and the virus falls apart like a house of cards and “dies”, or rather, we should say it becomes inactive as viruses aren’t really alive. Viruses can be active outside the body for hours, even days. …”
That had me thinking, outside of inhaling soap bubbles, how could something reach the lungs to destroy these double lipid rings, rendering the virus inactive?comment image
Sounds like that may do it.
And the HIV chunks are especially dastardly, as they could be “reuseable code”, as it were…

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Here is the YouTube. Hope our friends SAVE this before Susan Wocommie bans it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmrbqzST0CU&feature=youtu.be

prognosticatasaurusrex

Wait, wolf, I just had a bad thought. Recall ALL the mysterious vaping ailments, and deaths attributed to vaping. Was THAT part of the Covid 19 “test run’ It disproportionately affected young vapers, so much so that trump BANNED fruit flavored vapes.
Is there MORE to that story? or am I just in overdrive because of this attack?

para59r

My take on the vape issue was it was an information gathering tool to determine how best to exploit CV hysteria. Now I’m listening to this it sounds like it could of also been trying to rid vaping least someone stumbles on something like this.

🦋🤸‍♀️🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🤸‍♀️🦋

That was bootleg THC that had added vitamin E oil. Last I checked, All the deaths were attributed to that except 1. Vitamin E is deadly to the lungs.

prognosticatasaurusrex

Thanks, it was just coincidental, and anecdotal then.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Somebody else here (maybe para or sadie) postulated that there might have been virus in certain vaping products.
I keep an open mind on the idea that there may be a relationship to vaping that we don’t understand yet.

prognosticatasaurusrex

The timing, symptoms, are just ERRIRLY similar. There are NO coincidences.

para59r

Someone elsewhere left me a comment on a post saying: “It is interesting to note that vaporised propylene glycol, present in some vaping products, is deadly to some viruses.”
So after seeing this I’ve since done a search and find this Nov 2009 story refrencing a 1942 study. “The researchers also found that “the propylene glycol itself was a potent germicide. One part of glycol in 2,000,000 parts of air would–within a few seconds–kill concentrations of air-suspended pneumococci, streptococci and other bacteria numbering millions to the cubic foot.”
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20091104/Propylene-glycol-in-e-cigarettes-might-keep-us-healthy-says-researchers.aspx
Meanwhile just in last four to five days my radio suddenly keeps blurting out this Greta Thunberg style PSA about E cigs and Propylene glycol telling e cig users how dangerous it is to vape because of the pg, something long ago refuted. I thought it strange to be sending this out in the midst of the CV pandemic.

para59r

More recent. Research shows propylene glycol vapor kills airborne influenza virus
by Matt Rowland March 11, 2020
https://www.vapes.com/blogs/news/research-shows-propylene-glycol-vapor-kills-airborne-influenza-virus

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

AKISMET held in spam!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Fake news?

para59r

PSA. Yes, fake news.

GA/FL

PRESIDENT TRUMP’S TASK FORCE GUIDELINES and cutting off travel from hot spot countries is working according to FL 10 week stats – new cases are down almost 50%.

Power of Social Distancing:

GA/FL

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

How about VIRUS RESEARCH MORAL DISTANCING FROM SOROS, GATES AND CHICOMS???

prognosticatasaurusrex

Ya know, I think we all should socially distance Gates and Soros from their MONRY, and then socially quarantine them in a nice 6×9 room in GITMO for an incubation period of 0-25 years.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Just to be safe, make it 50! 😉

prognosticatasaurusrex

Agreed.

Dora

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Mild symptoms, too.
They need to get him the antivirals FAST. SARS can begin within a few days.

michaelh

Man I hate when that happens.

Dora

May he Rest in Peace.
===
Priest with Coronavirus gives up his ventilator to a younger patient and dies
A beloved Italian priest suffering with the Coronavirus Covid-19 has died after reportedly sacrificing his ventilator to ensure a younger patient could be treated.
https://gript.ie/priest-coronavirus-gives-ventilator-younger-patient-dies/

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yup. They ARE rationing care in Italy, AS REPORTED.
Fauci, Trump, DeWine – AHEAD OF THE CURVE !!!!!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

When will SOROS give up HIS VENTILATOR???

michaelh

Right after he gives up his daily HCQ pill.

prognosticatasaurusrex

Soros and Gates probably have the engineered antidote.

michaelh

Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase “eat your own dogfood”

Dora

A timeline of China’s attempts to cover-up the COVID-19 outbreak
The Daily Wire, an American news site linked to Ben Shapiro, has released a devastating timeline highlighting the attempts of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) to cover up the COVID-19 oubreak. It details how the CCP tried to hid the existence of the virus through a combination of aggressive actions against their own citizens, destroying samples of the virus held by labs which the CCP didn’t directly control, detaining journalists, and lying to the World Health Organisation (WHO) about the nature and severity of the virus.
https://gript.ie/a-timeline-of-chinas-attempts-to-coverup-the-covid-19-outbreak/

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Akismet hid this. Please, President Trump – investigate these censoring demons, helping CHINA, Bill Gates, and SOROS!!!

Dora

God Bless The Navy!

GA/FL

Our Guy in the White House retweeted this:comment image

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Love it!!!

GA/FL

US – more tests and better tests!
President Trump wanted USA to have the best quality – most reliable tests!!!

grandmaintexas
Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I am REALLY getting sick of Bill “Virus Frankenstein” Gates.

smiley2

please see my post below…

coosmama

So, I will stick with oral zinc. Interesting timing on this approval date. No, I did not download the pdf.
https://americanregent.com/news/american-regent-introduces-fda-approved-zinc-sulfate-injection-usp/

prognosticatasaurusrex

Gates, a thief and con man turned billionaire (see the movie Pirates of Silicon Valley) turned megalomaniacs bent on world devastation. All he is missing is Frau Bissida, mini me, and Mr. Biggles worth.

Dora

smiley2

this is something that is very concerning , imo…so I’m posting this, FWIW…Wolf might find it interesting, and others here, as well…
it has to do with what’s known as ID 2020 …and Bill Gates …and PANDEMICS and mandatory vaccines …..as well as a sinister agenda that might be taking place…
…and the very coincidental timing of COVID-19 (on many levels)…
please watch and listen ….stick with it…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sTsGmXwrJY

smiley2

next…please go here…
article (and website)…
ID 2020 And Partners Launch Program To Provide Digital ID With Vaccines
link…
https://www.biometricupdate.com/201909/id2020-and-partners-launch-program-to-provide-digital-id-with-vaccines
from September 2019
notice everything .

smiley2

next….in Hindsight…please read this…from Event 201 …Geneva, Switzerland, October 15, 2019
article…
LIVE Simulation Exercise To Prepare Public And Private Leaders For Pandemic Response
link…
https://www.weforum.org/press/2019/10/live-simulation-exercise-to-prepare-public-and-private-leaders-for-pandemic-response/
October 2019
(when was the first COVID-19 case ?)
and…just saying… if a strong and effective American President like, say, President Donald J. Trump, were to, say, pose a massive threat to, say, some sort of sinister agency afoot intentionally causing pandemic mayhem in order to make mandatory RFID personal surveillance/tracking chips under the pretense of, say, vaccinations against said pandemic, what better timing for said pandemic mayhem Round 1 than the very same election year of said strong American President President Donald J. Trump ?

NYGuy

Dr Shiva Ayyadurai can’t stand vaccines. Thinks it’s a scam .

GA/FL

Mark of the Beast comes to mind.

smiley2

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smiley2

yes…it does come to mind…altho, as we know, the so-called “Beast” is not yet on the scene…so this is not THE mark…but this certainly is a foreshadowing (imo) of HOW that system could easily be implemented at a time of sudden global panic and economic collapse…world chaos…and the fact that the UN, the Eugenics crowd (Gates et al) have been and are now hard at work creating and propagating this thru ID 2020 is unnerving…in fact, if you go to the ID 2020 website which I posted above in a reply I made to Wolf, and if you scroll down to the bottom of that homepage, you’ll see a section called Who We Are…and as part of Who They Are, you will see what they refer to as their Certification Mark referring to the ID vaccine chips.

smiley2

oops…sorry…my reply to Wolf is actually posted below ….with the web link.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

My first comment, before even getting past “Dakota” and her TED intro…..
Why the FUCK do I have to have an “ID” anyway? I can’t get on a ventilator with or without one, despite paying a substantial fraction of my lifelong income into a health system that promised everything and delivered nothing. THEY gave me a fucking virus which nobody in their right mind should have OBTAINED, MODIFIED, and RELEASED – a.k.a. CREATED.
Fuck these people. They CREATE the problems and then offer “solutions” – and the only reason to do it is to CHANGE HUMANITY toward some UNHOLY VISION that they won’t be honest about.

smiley2

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smiley2

/s/ 😀

prognosticatasaurusrex

Yep, more bible coming TRUE, the mark of the beast the antichrist and pestilence. Luckily, GOD wins.

smiley2

Dakota Gruener is Exec Director of ID 2020…
here is that site…
ID 2020
link…
https://id2020.org/
part of who they are: steering the market towards good digital ID solutions through a Certification Mark
steering the market…thru their mark .

coosmama

And if they can’t inject nanoparticles with the vaccine, no worries! They can inject them with the cure. Approved January 28th, 2020.
https://americanregent.com/news/american-regent-introduces-fda-approved-zinc-sulfate-injection-usp/

coosmama

American Regent had previously discontinued zinc-sulfate injection, because it did not have FDA aporoval. It receives approval on Jan 28th, 2020. Not sure whuch way to go with this; one, medicine at Trump speed, or, two, opportunity to inject nanoparticles. Will try to research the comany more.
https://americanregent.com/our-products/zinc-sulfate-injection-usp-d/

Concerned Virginian

680WPTF (Raleigh), news conference with MAYOR SCHEWEL:
DURHAM, NC is now under an order of STAY AT HOME (a “kinder” way of saying Shelter in Place) starting today, and that will operate until AT LEAST APRIL 20. The mayor may shorten OR EXTEND the order depending on re-evaluation. This order applies to ALL “non-essential” businesses and services.
Law enforcement from all departments and on all levels, as of today, are DEPUTIZED to enforce the order. Law enforcement will be patrolling the streets as of this afternoon.
There are now 76 cases of the Wuhan Coronavirus in Durham. Many of the cases are in people under 50 years old.

Concerned Virginian

Addendum to the above:
The Durham order to Stay in Place will begin at 6PM tomorrow, Thursday March 16. The mayor apologized for any confusion.

Thomas Lynch

Here’s an excellent piece in Tablet about the Hasidic Jews and the Holocaust survivors in Crown Heights in Brooklyn and the huge number infected
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/coronavirus-holocaust-survivors-crown-heights

smiley2

PRINCE CHARLES…comment image
…tests POSITIVE for COVID-19…
article/link…
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-prince-charles-tests-positive-for-covid-19-11963363
March 25, 2020

Thomas

Best comment so far: Glen Beck: “My first reaction was OH MY GOD is the Queen OK?”

smiley2

exactly…who’s next in line after Charles ? Kate and…what’s his name…Harry’s brother…?

churchmouse

Yes, she is.
She is self-isolating now (precautionary).

Thomas

The deputizing part is likely unconstitutional. The only legal means is by martial law. I think a test case is in order. And HOW TF is the virus spread blunted with every Bubba with a badge running around R-D accosting people getting food or going to essential work? Of course this is a Dem mayor doing what Dem mayors do best: exploit a crisis to go all-fascist.

smiley2

what’s it all about ?comment imagecomment imagecomment image
WHO ?

michaelh

Sorry folks, I haven’t been doing a good job keeping up with the economic side, how CEOs and stock holders are gaming the system and profiting off the stock market tanking. No way they’ll get away with this (these people are STUPID)
Just to help connect the dots, the highly-connected state governors were targeted for the plot, it should be logical considering the number of idiot SJW companies that the CEOs of businesses were likewise widely targeted and often in the exact same meetings that Mike Pompeo warned about.
Why Did Hundreds Of CEOs Resign Just Before The World Started Going Absolutely Crazy?
by Tyler Durden
Wed, 03/25/2020 – 11:00
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/why-did-hundreds-ceos-resign-just-world-started-going-absolutely-crazycomment image

In the months prior to the most ferocious stock market crash in history and the eruption of the biggest public health crisis of our generation, we witnessed the biggest exodus of corporate CEOs that we have ever seen. And as you will see below, corporate insiders also sold off billions of dollars worth of shares in their own companies just before the stock market imploded. In life, timing can be everything, and sometimes people simply get lucky. But it does seem odd that so many among the corporate elite would be so exceedingly “lucky” all at the same time. In this article I am not claiming to know the motivations of any of these individuals, but I am pointing out certain patterns that I believe are worth investigating.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA
Linda

Sounds like they’re back to the bat theory. smh

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

LOL.
They’ve gone batshit…in more than one way.

smiley2

well…here’s (another) coincidence…
Kristian Anderson (in yr linked article) is an Immunologist (scientist) working for Scripps Research out of California..
and, coincidentally…
Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation Gives Scripps Research $50M
article/link…
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/science/story/2020-01-28/bill-gates-gives-scripps-research-50m-to-fight-two-of-worlds-deadliest-diseases
January 2020
“…the key to more success involves Scripps’ growing relationship with the Gates Foundation…”

NYGuy

I actually posted something about that from 2013 down below. Take a look.

Linda

We’re now up to over 60,000 cases in the US. We’re going to end up with more cases than supposedly China had.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

We are testing more people than they are.
Fatalities is a better (but still somewhat subject to sampling error) metric.

kinthenorthwest

Cases of Coronavirus are still not even a 1/10 of the number of flu cases being reported.
Remember many aren’t going in if they think it is the flu and more are probably so scared they will go in to be tested for Coronavirus at the slightest sign of a cough.

GA/FL

White House China Virus Task Force Press Briefing – 5pm today!
WH –

CSPAN – https://www.c-span.org/video/?470675-1/white-house-coronavirus-task-force-briefing

kinthenorthwest

Interesting that the Coronavirus has been in America since December or January–yet has not come close to the numbers CDC reported for flu.
Not sure where I read it, but I thought I read where someone said that some hospital actually reported a case of the Coronavirus in November .
From October 1, 2019, through February 22, 2020, the CDC estimates there have been:
32,000,000 – 45,000,000 flu illnesses
14,000,000 – 21,000,000 flu medical visits
310,000 – 560,000 flu hospitalizations
18,000 – 46,000 flu deaths
https://heavy.com/news/2020/02/coronavirus-death-rate-vs-flu/

bakocarl

If the seasonal flu has such large actual case, hospitalization and death numbers, then why weren’t there already critical shortages of –
Masks
Gloves
Other PPEs
Hospital isolation rooms
Intensive care rooms and equipment
Ventilators
Where are the procedures such as closing group meetings, closings schools, restricting travel, isolation, and quarantine to stop the spread of the deadly seasonal flue?
Did we let all these people just, ho-hum, die. Or maybe could the CDC numbers be a bit suspect?

MAGA Mom

I have been fascinated to learn that our flu stats are informed estimates v. actual numbers of diagnosed cases. When estimates are made for total Wuhan flu cases based on actual diagnosed cases, WuFlu totals will be much larger

kinthenorthwest

25 million are confirmed cases

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

So, then, why weren’t hospitals swamped by flu?
Many have tried to dismiss the ChiComCrud as somehow “less than” the flu, counting the number of cases, counting the number of fatalities, in one case insisting that any case involving the flu should be counted as a flu fatality, while CCC should only be considered the cause of death if there were no chronic conditions.
So how is it the hospitals WERE NOT overwhelmed by the flu, but ARE on the verge of being overwhelmed in NY by THIS??
Doesn’t that make this WORSE by at least one very important metric?

kinthenorthwest

Because they went to doctors…Remember this is all of America…As they said it was probably double since many don’t even go to the doctors.
Hey I had the flu last year and I have a few dozen co-workers, friend and other associates that got the flu, with only a few that went to the doctor. FYI I didn’t go to the doctor, I just stayed in bed for 3 days and drank plenty of liquids

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Well, yeah.
That’s the point.
But somehow this is resulting in HOSPITALIZATIONS at a high rate, enough that New York is about to be overwhelmed and we’re having to build emergency clinics.
But OH NO, this isn’t as serious as the fucking flu.
I’m getting really tired of hearing that line from people.

kinthenorthwest

TY for your opinion stevIn but you language is VERY unnecessary.

MAGA Mom

Kinthenorthwest – I am very interested in your 25 Million confirmed cases of flu in the US this flu season of 2019-2020. I have been learning so much about how flu cases are counted and am particularly interested in the topic right now. Do you mind posting the link where you found that statistic/fact/number? Thanks!
What I find on the on the CDC web site is this:
No of positive specimens (flu tests actually sent into the labs and confirmed): 231,654 with a negative rate of 80% negative and 20% positive. This # includes both private and public health labs.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm
231,654 actual, confirmed cases of flu is Much different than 25 million so I am very interested to learn where the 25 million comes from. Thanks again!
What I am learning: even the # of total positive tests represents a higher # than reality of actual positive confirmed flu cases because many of the cases tested in the public health labs are repeats of the private labs tests. Private labs send their positive tests to the public labs, who test again and count them as their own positives:
“In order to obtain specimens in an efficient manner, public health laboratories often receive samples that have already tested positive for an influenza virus at a clinical laboratory. As a result, monitoring the percent of specimens testing positive for an influenza virus in a public health laboratory is less useful (i.e., we expect a higher percent positive). In order to use each data source most appropriately and to avoid duplication, reports from public health and clinical laboratories are presented separately in both FluView and FluView Interactive.”
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/overview.htm#anchor_1539281228772
This would mean there are even fewer than the 231K actual people who have had positive flu tests.
Again, we are comparing flu cases to WuFlu cases then we need to compare apples to apples v. oranges.
We are counting WuFlu cases as Confirmed by testing. Same for flu is very little in comparison the estimated #s based on clinical presentation during doctor’s office visits that are not confirmed by tests and those cases (that the CDC makes an informed guess) that had the flu and did not visit a doctor, much less have a test.
Here is another interesting tidbit from learning about the CDC/flu yearly estimates – the areas getting hit the hardest with WuFlu seem to match up with the areas of the US expected to be hit the hardest with regular/seasonal flu…except for Washington and CA. NY, NJ, Southeast (including FL), Louisiana, etc. seem to get hit hard by the flu in a given year. (further down the page on same link as above)
Looking forward to help understanding the # of actual, confirmed tested cases of yearly flu. This is what I have found so far.

kinthenorthwest

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported 26 million influenza-like-illnesses this flu season of 2019-2020, including 250,000 hospitalizations and 14,000 deaths. Population-based surveys focusing on certain counties were conducted by the Influenza Hospitalization Surveillance Network (FluSurv-NET). Exactly 12,167 laboratory-confirmed cases of influenza-related hospitalizations were noted between October 1, 2019 and February 8, 2020.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

All of them good questions.

Where are the procedures such as closing group meetings, closings schools, restricting travel, isolation, and quarantine to stop the spread of the deadly seasonal flue?

People who minimize CCV versus the seasonal flu already are asking this question with the opposite thrust from yours, as in “why are we doing all this for such a mousefart of an “epidemic”? ”
But the flu has NEVER pushed us to the point where we were running out of ICU facilities in some parts of the country–or if it has (any time after 1918 I mean), I don’t know about it.

kinthenorthwest

Don’t think they are suspect, since that is the usual yearly numbers for the flu, but no one pays attention Last years were probably higher since the vaccine was less than 50% efective.

Linda
michaelh

WHOOPSIE!!!!

kinthenorthwest

In my research of Italy’s medical system, I found out it often is not how well one does on the medical exams, it is who you know & how much you can grease the palms of Italy’s medical association.

pgroup

That sure sounds familiar. Songbird graduated at the bottom of his class in Naval Academy yet somehow got to be a combat fighter pilot.
Must be nice to have Pa and Gramps both being admirals.

kinthenorthwest

It was a strange find

Concerned Virginian

IHSAN AZZAM is from TRENCIN, SLOVAKIA. He came to the United States in 1992 to Nevada.
JULIE KOTCHEVAR, Administrator of the Nevada Division of Public and Behavior Health, appointed AZZAM as Chief Medical Officer on May 17, 2018.
I can find NO MENTION of a verified License to Practice Medicine in Nevada for AZZAM through internet searches thus far.
dpbh.nv.gov/About/Executive_Team/
http://www.usadojo.com/usa-dojo-com-honors-martin-azzam/
dpbh.nv.gov/About/AdminSvcs/PIO/PR/2018/Administrator_of_the_Nevada_Divsion_of_Public_and_Behavioral_Health_Appoints_New_Chief_Medical_Officer/
My opinion: IHSAN AZZAM is most likely of Palestinian descent and most likely a Muslim.
BIG QUESTIONS:
Has IHSAN AZZAM practiced medicine in the United States since coming to Nevada in 1992? For how long? Exactly where? (See below about the requirements for foreign physicians to get a license to practice medicine in the United States.)
IF he has, and DID NOT complete the REQUIRED courses and exams to gain a License to Practice Medicine in the United States, then he has committed FRAUD.
http://www.fmu.edu/foreign-physicians-work-healthcare-practitioners/
IF the State of Nevada KNEW that AZZAM did NOT have a valid license to practice medicine in Nevada, then the state of Nevada IS COMPLICIT in FRAUD.
IF JULIE KOTCHEVAR knew that AZZAM did NOT have a valid license to practice medicine in Nevada when she appointed him as Chief Medical Officer, then she could be charged for ACCESSORY to MEDICAL FRAUD.
IF IHSAN AZZAM’s role as Chief Medical Officer for Nevada is purely HONORARY, then why was he testifying in RENO yesterday about the proposed dosages of drugs for an execution by lethal injection?
Doesn’t the government of Nevada know that EVEN IF a physician has practiced in ANOTHER COUNTRY, that this physician, now living in the United States, MUST complete courses and pass exams to get a License to Practice Medicine in the United States?

pgroup

Slight correction – a state cannot commit fraud. Officers of the state can.

Concerned Virginian

pgroup
Thank you.
If this AZZAM advised the Gov. of Nevada to make that idiotic pronunciamento about prohibiting the use of Chloroquine and Hydroxychloroquine, AND if the governor knew that Azzam doesn’t have a medical license, it would appear that the governor is also complicit in medical fraud in my opinion.

GA/FL

Here we go…..
WHO and UN claim Chinese Virus did not start in China.

rayzorbak

Reply from Trump:
I am announcing this EO effective IMMEDIATELY!
ZERO $$$ to the UN and the WHO.
BTW…. Get the UN out of this Country by Easter!
(I can dream 🙂 )

GA/FL

We can both dream!

bakocarl

It’s official!!! The supposed WuFlu originated in Winnemucca, Nevada when a pissed-off house cat, after eating a diseased bat, bit its owner on the left thumb. The owner, Fosdick Follingsworth IV, then traveled to Wuhan China to sample wares at the local live market, but ended up spreading the flu.
We’ll now call it the WinFlu and sincerely apologize to the great nation of China. (spit)

GA/FL

No sale, Bako – ALL THE PANDEMICS in history came out of China, Africa or the Middle East.

smiley2

President Trump Declares MAJOR DISASTER IN FLORIDA
link…
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-florida-coronavirus-stay-at-home-order-20200325-we2ls7dcx5atnpswqyequsveqa-story.html
today…a short while ago…
plus a lot more Florida udates and other related links.
will south Florida become the new epicenter for this ?

smiley2

Florida …more news here…
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/floridas-confirmed-coronavirus-cases-approach-1700-with-22-deaths/2210669/
Mar 25, 2020
cases confirmed approach 1,700 …deaths 22…
and…
Publix Supermarkets Installing Plexiglass Barriers At Check Out Registers
article link..
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/publix-installing-plexiglass-barriers-at-registers-amid-coronavirus-pandemic/2210629/
Mar 25, 2020

smiley2

MIAMI-DADE COUNTY, Florida
Miami-Dade Mayor : Police To Begin Cracking Down On Businesses, Residents Violating Social Distancing Rules
article/link…
https://wsvn.com/news/local/miami-dade-mayor-police-to-begin-cracking-down-on-businesses-residents-violating-social-distance-rules/
March 25, 2020
press conf video…
Miami-Dade police and Code Enforcement “out in full force”.

smiley2

Boardwalk…Miami Beach area, March 22…this Boardwalk is still open altho Miami Beach itself is closed…comment image
social distancing ??

GA/FL

I get shivers and quivers thinking about this HUGE EXPENSIVE rescue Bill….
The national debt grows bigger and bigger and I had hoped PDJT would bring it down and pay it off!

rayzorbak

Refinance with the new ZERO interest rate…….
Interest savings alone will fund this.

NYGuy

Nice idea but we have to find buyers. The two largest buyers, Japan and China, are having problems right now. Plus Japan got the Olympics moved to 2021 and that should take a bite out of them a bit.
So who else would buy treasuries on that scale?

rayzorbak

Make the FED buy them

NYGuy

They might have to

Deplorable Patriot

Yes.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Reagan’s single biggest failure was his failure to cut spending.
And that will be Trump’s biggest failure too (unless he fails to throw the right people in jail, in which case that will be).

MAGA Mom

Steve, You know I respect your opinions….but I disagree on this one.
Three failures bother me more than the spending issue.
1) Bowing to pressure regarding relocating our embassy to Jerusalem…now down and not big blow back of consequences
2) giving amnesty with the “promise” of a secure border…but failed to insist upon it. He trusted but didn’t verify with the Dems…and they are as much liars and not to be trusted as the then USSR.
3) he promised to shut down the DOE, new department under Carter, but instead grew the DOE and it is a Monster that has reached into Every school district across the nation and has Changed the direction of the nation’s future via curriculum and “teaching” our nation’s children.
However, yes, spending under Reagan & both Bush 1 and Bush jr disgusted me. It was spend and grow big gov but the way we like it v. how Dems like when it is supposed to be No big Gov and No big spending v. Dem’s big gov & big spending.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

In general, Reagan failed to cut any part of government; and of course that entailed the spending–the two are different sides of the same coin. And all those programs he didn’t cut are a large part of why immigration has been such a problem, too. So I’d argue that those issues, plus spending in general, are intertwined and we’re really complaining, largely, about the same thing.
The Embassy in Jerusalem, on the other hand really has little impact on our country (though it has a huge impact on Israel).

MAGA Mom

I see your point. You are right – 2 sides same coin/different perspectives.
You view the programs as money needed/spent – first comes the money to fund it all. I am viewing it as the programs exists and therefore the money follows. You see the solution as cut the money, starve the beast, beast dies or at least reduces greatly. I see it as cut the programs, no need for the money. I am thinking more about what they do, what they are and you see the cost…or you see the $ as a way to end the same things that you don’t want. I see the beast exists and so will be fed. Kill the beast and the money issue resolves itself.
Money is secondary to me – I dislike the DOE itself and the budget seems separate to me…
I don’t often think in terms of money, and rarely in terms of money first. I think of stuff, activity, need, want, etc., and then think of money second as the way to get/achieve/do the thing. Husband is different. Everything is represents money to him and he thinks costs first.
Different lense.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I’d probably put the amnesty–or more precisely, the failure to shut the door that was supposed to happen WITH the amnesty, as Reagan’s second biggest failure even so.

michaelh

Beating up on our NATO “allies” who treat us very unfairly, and the EU. Making specs designed to have incompatibilities with North American standard equipment!

michaelh

Oh yeah, it’s not going to go well for them.

michaelh

Ask just about any of the technical people on this blog.
Just mention “CCITT” and you’ll get some nastygram replies 😉
It’s a softer version of the old Soviet game of changing the railroad guages to make the rail systems incompatible. Anyone who buys into the European system is necessarily limited to European technologies and standards.
Ask why the U.S. bought in whole hog into the EUROPEAN 3G standard. Someone here can tell that story.

GA/FL

UK and EU have always had a different electrical system don’t they? We have to use voltage adapters to take our hair dryers over there.

michaelh

Yup. Initially there was an Atlantic divide in the development of technology. NOT ANYMORE.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Sometimes it’s the voltage and frequency of the wall electricity. And sometimes the only real difference is the shape of the plug.
You can get an adapter kit with about seven different types of plugs…and NO conversion of voltage or frequency (we are 110V at 60Hz, others are at 220 and 50 hz or mix and match). That’s good worldwide but without the conversion all you can do is charge your electronics (chargers are designed to work with any voltage used anywhere in the world).

GA/FL

Thanks for the facts!

churchmouse

Correct.

GA/FL

Good morning, CM! Hope you are well and happy! GOD’s Peace and All Blessings! :8-)

churchmouse

Hello, GA/FL!
We are well.
Happy — personally, yes, but about the coronavirus less so:
1/ Just went to buy bread. Had to queue. Only two people allowed in the shop at any one time. Can’t pay with cash anymore. Fair enough, I understand, but this simple transaction for one loaf of bread took half an hour rather than ten minutes.
2/ The professor from Imperial College London walked back his disaster numbers from the other day and said it would be no worse in the UK than a normal flu season. His projections went from 200k/500k deaths to 20k. Later on, he denied on Twitter that he walked back his numbers. No. 10 is relying on these numbers from Imperial. It is thought that PDJT also relied on them, hence, no opposition to state lockdowns.
Sigh …
On a brighter note, thank you for your good wishes!
May God continue to grant you His peace, His grace and all blessings!

GA/FL

I read about your professor. He’s not alone.
US state of OH medical advisor also issued dire projections to the governor that didn’t pan out (TBTG!!!)
A pandemic is almost a living thing that moves and grows unpredictably – like the weather.
We also have some rational evidence for suspicions it has become a politically exploited if not directed/engendered pandemic.
Hopefully, we will learn how to respond to pandemics and how to prevent them, with the help of smart committed people with good motives, who are not beholden and bound by political and financial strangleholds.

churchmouse

I agree 110%.
Both our nations should look at what actions our respective governments took 100 years ago for the Spanish Flu or during the Hong Kong Flu epidemic in 1968.
I am floored that few to no Western nations (I’m including Europe now) have contingency measures for these types of situations. WTH?!?

GA/FL

Turns out there is evidence the ‘Spanish’ flu was also a ‘Chinese’ flu.

churchmouse

At this point, I’m not surprised.
**Do you have any links?**
Outside of statistics and an anecdote below, all I have read is that it was called ‘Spanish’ because Spain was the first nation to release its flu figures that year.
My late grandmother, who would have been engaged by then — maybe just married — said it was a fearful time. She told me that she hoped the world would never go through such a frightening time again.
Whilst very feminine, she was a formidable lady (i.e. widowed in her late 40s or early 50s and lived until her early 90s) — sharp as a tack yet infinitely loving to everyone. God rest her soul.

GA/FL

Repost –
RE China and the new US/China Trade Deal:
Having had a grandparent die in the Diphtheria epidemic of 1918 – I looked up the disease….
GUESS WHICH COUNTRY still has the most significant outbreaks?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diphtheria
GUESS WHICH COUNTRY is likely the source of both the Bubonic Plague/Black Death and the so-called Spanish Flu and H5N1, H1N1, SARS-1 & SARS-2 (COVID-19) and essentially all other flu strains?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death
GUESS WHICH COUNTRY should develop significant public health departments, sanitation reforms and practices????
GUESS WHICH COUNTRY contributes the most diseases, pollution and toxic, sub-grade products to the world?
GUESS WHICH COUNTRY steals technology and counterfeits patented goods the most?
The USA should only resume tourism/air and cruise travel after China implements highest public health, sanitation standards, stops the dangerous dietary practices and stops the outbreaks of 3rd world diseases and stops engendering and spreading new flu strains and coronaviruses and starts strict honestand transparent reporting of all disease outbreaks.
The USA should make China’s implementation of rigid health/disease prevention practices part of any US Trade Deal!!!

churchmouse

Thank you kindly for the links, esp. on Spanish Flu. The other recent pandemics/other topics I was relatively informed on, including their origins.
Interesting that, at the time, there were few statistics from China (emphasis mine):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#China
‘One of the few regions of the world seemingly less affected by the 1918 flu pandemic was China, where there may have been a comparatively mild flu season in 1918 (although this is disputed due to lack of data during the Warlord Period of China …)
Hmm. How convenient. Even then, they were massaging the data.
Note the French expression ‘le Péril jaune’, a popular at-home reference to the country concerned, originating in 1895 but popularised from 1897 (and continuing to this day), thanks to French sociologist Jacques Novikow.
Oddly enough, 1897 was the year that my late grandmother was born. She never said anything about the Chinese in her lifetime. However, she was incensed about Iran and the American hostages during Carter’s presidency.
https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/p%C3%A9ril_jaune
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%A9ril_jaune
If you want any translations done, please let me know. ‘Peril’ in French translates to ‘menace’.

Deplorable Patriot

I have quite the collection of adapters from travelling.

GA/FL

Harvard Prof (?) wants to test the whole country – but doesn’t realize once you test someone – they could get exposed and infected 5 MINUTES LATER!
Better to give the whole country prophylactic hydroxychloroquine!

GA/FL

Many folks at Hah-vahd do not have a grain of sense.

GA/FL

If you can find out which Harvard professor came up with that idea – send him something to break into his useless theories.

churchmouse

You are so right, Daughn.
I’m listening to French talk radio (RMC) at the moment, and the hosts just discussed the true story of a Parisian woman who was tested twice (interesting, as hardly anyone is being tested in France, except privileged people). Both tests were negative.
A few days later, she developed a mild cough and died.

zorrorides

I’m beginning to like the new “America’s Auntie Nurse”, Deborah Birx, a little bit more every press briefing.
She better not turn out to be working for Deep Swamp. It’s difficult for me to undo Suspicious Cat. Don’t make me regret it!

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Colorado is now locked down until April 11th.

michaelh

So I have to ask. Does the lockdown apply to people who need their essential Mary?

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Damfino.
I really know almost nothing about how it works yet.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Well, it turns out at least one county that had locked itself down before this, allowed pickups at MJ shops, just like restaurant takeout.

kalbokalbs

NV Socialist guv Sisolak has back peddled, certified LIAR at this point. Such a POS, Sisolak IS.
FTA
Sisolak’s response contrasts to that of New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, who announced during a Sunday press briefing that New York State acquired 750,000 doses of chloroquine, 70,000 doses of hydroxychloroquine, and 10,000 doses of Zithromax for clinical trials, which began this week. “The president is optimistic about these drugs and we are all optimistic that it could work,” Cuomo said.
Governor Sisolak later clarified his emergency order with a statement Wednesday morning. “This regulation DOES NOT prohibit prescription of these drugs for inpatient treatment,” he announced on Twitter. “In other words, if a doctor in a hospital or emergency room setting wants to prescribe these drugs to treat a patient diagnosed with COVID-19, he or she is still free to do so.” This directly contradicts the press release announcing the restrictions, which said the regulation prohibited the prescription of the drug to treat the virus.
“To be frank, the press release could have been more precise and included relevant information about the exception,” Sisolak’s Communications Director Ryan McInerney told PJ Media via email. “The updated tweet is accurate; the regulation does not create an absolute ban on use of these drugs to treat COVID-19. There is an explicit exception in the regulation allowing for a ‘chart order for an inpatient in an institutional setting.’ In other words, doctors in hospitals and emergency rooms can still prescribe these drugs to treat a patient diagnosed with COVID-19 if they so choose.”
“The regulation focuses on outpatient services where there has been evidence of hoarding of these drugs, which can impact those who need the drugs for other conditions AND COVID-19 patients in hospital settings where a doctor could determine that trying those drugs might be helpful,” McInerney added.
*https://pjmedia.com/trending/did-the-governor-of-nevada-ban-the-use-of-trump-touted-anti-malaria-drugs-to-treat-coronavirus-patients/
Cross posted.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Yeah, he felt the heat.

Linda

And he’s still wrong. Why not give it to someone who has COVID-19 but is an out-patient because they haven’t yet gotten severely sick? Why do they have to be in the hospital to get it? That doctor in NY who treated those 100 patients who all got better didn’t do it in a hospital.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Yes, he still is…but now at least he doesn’t look totally unreasonable until you read the SECOND sentence.
So he has accomplished his ACTUAL mission.

kalbokalbs

Quietly AND without notice, I’d bet out-patients can get the drugs they need. Sisolak statement and TW are an attempt at face saving the horrible decision he made. And equally bad staff work.

michaelh

Whatever you do, don’t come down with malaria in Vegas.

NYGuy

He’s an asshoe

NYGuy

I was reading about coronaviruses and I came across this article titled “Chinese Bats May Be Carrying the Next SARS Pandemic” in Wired magazine from 2013. Here’s a blurb.
“…For more than a year, scientists from China, Australia, and the United States collected anal swabs or fecal samples from horseshoe bats at a cave in Kunming, in the south of China. They found coronavirus RNA in 27 of 117 sampled animals. Among the viruses were two new strains of coronavirus that resemble the SARS strain more closely than those previously identified in bats, especially in the part of the genome coding for the important spike protein. The scientists also managed to isolate live virus from one of the animals. In experiments, reported online today in Nature, they showed that the virus infected pig and bat kidney cells, and perhaps more important, cells lining the human lung.”
https://www.wired.com/2013/10/bats-next-sars-pandemic/

GA/FL

THANKS – very interesting!

NYGuy

My point is the Chinese knew about this long ago.

GA/FL

Like HIV – with measures the pandemic and huge loss of life could have been avoided:
1. Education change customs (not eating exotic animals – or at least cooking them)
2. Quarantine early
3. Responsibility to global community
UNLESS China wanted to cause a pandemic.
Amost ALL pandemics in history have come from China.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

There was a certain poster a couple of weeks ago who wrote posts with a lot of caps in them ASSERTING this was a deliberate ChiCom plot, in cahoots with our own Democrats. Not speculating, but asserting it.
I wanted to know his evidence.
His evidence was, in essence that the timing was perfect (really? Closer to the election might have been better) therefore it MUST have been deliberate. He called that “circumstantial evidence.”
By that logic, if a rich uncle you didn’t like dies and leaves you a ton of money, you must have killed him.
In both cases, you’ve established a motive but that’s only one aspect of proving guilt.
I hope he never takes that logic into a courtroom (he’s not a lawyer, fortunately).

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I bring this up because now many people here are claiming this is a deliberate bio-war attack. I’ve seen no one present actual evidence of that.

NYGuy

Steve, it’s hard to say one way or another. But read what I posted and judge for yourself. Researchers knew about bat coronaviruses back in 2013. Could it have been weaponized? No clue.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

That’s a totally different question from whether it actually was weaponized; and that, in turn, is a totally different question from whether it was DELIBERATELY RELEASED.
From my standpoint, the one thing we DO know is that China tried to downplay this thing when it broke out there (however that happened), and that alone is enough to make their government culpable. All because those fuckers couldn’t stand to “lose face.”

NYGuy

That’s a good point. Subtle. But point taken.

kea
Sadie Slays

All of the local news media is really pushing the chloroquine hitpieces. I’m not sure why this surprises me after all of these years of watching them try to tear apart this country, but this is a new low.

LM

Wondering how many doctors in NY are using hydroxchloroquine compared to rest of the country.
What are the comparative mortality rates when it is used. By now there should be data.
I know they ae busy, but the medical community needs to step up and speak out in support of the President on this.
Interesting comment from OT….
mtg50 says:
March 25, 2020 at 8:04 pm
Given the current situation it is very informative to separate the data in New York State from the rest of the U.S.
Total Tested positive (%) Hospitalized Deaths
NY 103,479 30,811 (29.8%) 3,805 (12.3%) 285(0.93%)
US-NY 315,331 32,862 (7.1%) 2331 (7.1%) 602 (1.83%)
All US 418,810 63.675 (15.2%) 6136 (9.6%) 887 (1.39%)
The positive infection rate in NY is more than 4 times the rate in the rest of the US (29.8% compared to 7.1%) and the hospitalization rate if infected is about 1.7 times higher in NY (12.3% compared to 7.1%). Both of these numbers indicate that NY is testing a much higher proportion of highly symptomatic subjects. It is misleading to imply that these numbers are largely due to higher transmission rates in NY, although that may contribute to it.
However, the death rate in NY is half the death rate in the rest of the US (0.93% compared to 1.83%). Think of that. Due to testing procedures, there are proportionally more serious cases identified in NY than the rest of the country, yet the mortality rate is half. This is a strong indicator that the treatment is more effective when hospitalized in NY. This may be due to more research hospitals in NY with more use of hydroxychloroquine and other effective but not approved treatments. This indicates that COVID-19 is very treatable with the mortality rate cut in half in NY. In addition, both mortality rates will continue to go down with more testing. The NY data has some encouraging news and begs the question, why continue to close a vital city due to a 0.93% mortality rate and viable treatment options for severe cases.
https://covidtracking.com/data

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Supposedly the big push to use the stuff began yesterday.
From some of the stories I heard, results should have been visible TODAY if that were true.
Yet we have heard nothing. That could be for many different reasons; but I’d hope to hear something by tomorrow.

LM

I found this…
https://forward.com/news/national/442285/coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine-trump-doctor/
Thought I slso read that Cuomo was receptive to using it.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Well, yes. He was planning to start yesterday. That’s the “big push” I was referring to; I suppose I should have been more clear.
We’ve been seeing, again and again the story of this specific doctor (Zelenko), and a guy who turned around in a day when he got his docs to give it to him, and one other report.
I want to see what happens as a result of Cuomo’s directive.

LM

Me, too. I know that certain doctors have been using it.even in Washington State (according to the Swedish Dr. on the video posted earlier on on one of these threads). Their mortality rate may have been positively impacted since they have been doing better.
Found this, dated yesterday.
https://www.nola.com/news/coronavirus/article_bb0bfe0c-6e1f-11ea-8149-b3d0c56b863d.html
From the article:
New York state secured 70,000 doses of hydroxychloroquine as well as other related drugs on Sunday, and was set to begin trials on Tuesday

kea

BB had an article where NY said they had so many because they are “so welcoming to people”

bakocarl

Yeah. New Yorkers, that is NY City people, have a long and well-known reputation for being so charming and patient and polite . . . never demanding or pushy or insulting . . . just warm and wonderful people to be around . . . almost without exception!!!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Is the now becoming “Cuomo Hero Theater”?

LM

That would be truly regrettable since he is not only responsible for importing the virus into the state, not ordering the necessary medical equipment (respirators) to handle emergencies, and was late in the game on ordering emergency orders to slow the spread until the President made an issue of it.
Hammering these things home as much as we can might be a small thing we can do.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yup. Oh, yeah, he don’t got a chance in hell as long as the TRUTH is there to set us free!

Valerie Curren

I can think of a few reasons off the top of my head that NY might be showing different patterns than the rest of the US.
IF this was some type of bio-weapon, the NY area may have received a different strain. Even if not a weapon, per se, the viral mutations would likely be different in different locations, some may be more contagious but less deadly perhaps.
The main source of the NY cases is likely different from those in WA, where that one nursing home had a Very High death rate too.
NY has a very large Jewish population & at least one article mentioned travelers returning from Christmas travel overseas. This would also imply Hannukah travel, perhaps to Israel where there is also a CCPVirus problem, I believe, also a potential source for a different CV strain.
Continuing with the NY Jewish theme, if many of these people were Hasidic or Orthodox or Conservative Jews (I’m speaking as a Gentile very loosely & meaning Zero Perjoratives) it could also mean a much more insular community that is spreading the CV infection pretty far within itself. Also, I believe some of those faith viewpoints have way more children than id typical in the NYC area. This could also mean that many may test Positive for CV but have minimal symptoms. Are they widely testing the family/close contacts of those severely ill w/CV?
If the Jewish connection is borne out there could perhaps be dietary or environmental influences that change the nature of how CV reacts w/ the body for that population compared to other Americans. What if they use a form of incense in worship, or even candle wax aerosolized &/or smoke that has some CV killing benefit–like the propylene glycol or MCT (Medium Chain Triglyceroid–we used to have to use this along w/ Portagen, & Moducal to feed our post heart-surgery baby who could no longer medically tolerate breast milk…& MCT oil was $60/qt in the mid ’90s!) oil another Q-Treeper mentioned elsewhere.
Anyway that’s just a sample of how things Might be different in the NYC area than much of the US.
Oh, & obviously any city w/ very dense human population & lots of public transportation is going to likely more widely spread any contagion it would seem.

churchmouse

Your last paragraph nailed it.
Across the pond, London is our epicentre for that same reason. Birmingham (our second largest city) has the next biggest concentration of coronavirus cases.

kea

So the grocery store had a little more food today. Limits on everything. By Aldi it was one person per check out line. Had to wait for your turn.
Meat mostly gone and no TP but at least they had more food than last time.
Not that many people out and about. Saw a few more gloves.
One lady had on two masks?
One person kept her shirt over her nose and mouth? Ok!?!?

kea

Aldi email update:
An update for our customers
Now more than ever, our service to the community is critical. As more Americans are advised to stay home, we want to reassure you that ALDI stores will remain open and our focus is to keep our shelves stocked.
We are extremely proud of and grateful for our amazing team and network of partners who are working harder than ever to serve you and your families. Here are a few ways we are continuing to support our team during this challenging time:
Wage increases: We recently implemented temporary wage increases for those who work in our stores and warehouses to offer extra support during this challenging time.
Hiring in stores and warehouses: Over the past week, we’ve hired nearly 7,500 employees and we are continuing to hire more each day. Anyone interested in a temporary position in a store or warehouse can apply using this link.
Prioritizing well-being: We’ve adjusted our sick leave policy to ensure employees can put their health first and stay home when they aren’t feeling well.
Giving back to our communities: We are donating $1 million to community organizations to support those in need.
We want to share some additional updates with you on how we are continuing to respond to COVID-19:
Hours for vulnerable customers: On Tuesdays and Thursdays, ALDI stores will open at 8:30 a.m. and reserve the first hour of business for vulnerable shoppers. This includes senior citizens, expectant mothers and those with underlying health concerns.
Protection at checkout: We are taking steps to install protective barriers at our registers for the health and safety of our customers and employees.
Social distancing: We are posting visual cues in our stores, including signage and floor decals, and asking our customers and employees to observe social distancing.
We thank you for your ongoing support, it means so much to the entire ALDI team! We’re here for you today, and will continue to be here for you.

kea

‘Get Back to Normal’: Brazil’s Bolsonaro Urges End to Coronavirus ‘Hysteria’
https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/03/25/brazil-bolsonaro-blasts-coronavirus-hysteria-urges-people-back-work/
meanwhile:
Canada Gave Away Medical Equipment to China Before Facing Shortages
https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/03/25/canada-gave-away-medical-equipment-to-china-before-facing-shortages/

kea

FYI I got a postcard in the mail today about slow the spread.

kea

If you need a good laugh

kinthenorthwest

TY —you all with teens ready for a TP party.

rf121

Pretty pissed about all this right now. Third glass of wine is helping as I look for the bright side to this total disaster.
The reaction to this WhuFlu is a total disaster. But, it has brought out the worst in the democrat run States and cities. The impulse to suppress civil liberties to provide safety for the populace has shown everyone what they are willing to do. Reminds us of that famous quote “Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither”.
The death toll from this while bad will not be even close to the models these idiots are using. I am hoping PT starts to shut this crap down next week.
I am hoping this can be an impetus to get more blue collar dems and independents to vote for a MAGA ticket in the fall. A big dem wipeout is needed in November to put them in a hole for a couple of decades.
We are only an election or two away from going down a road that will end this republic as we know it. Short of Civil War II which no one wants it is not a place any of us wants to go. But I will for my kids.
Unhappy patriot.

bakocarl

Gee. How are they “one of the first in the world” when they administered the drug “in line with treatment regimens that have seen success in China and South Korea”?

rf121

And I read this protocol was first investigated back in 2005 during SARS and they saw the benefits. Problem for big pharma it is now a generic and there is no profit in it. Current rates on the malaria pill are like 50 cents.
Sometime in the next year they will produce a wonder drug for $XXXX against COVID type viruses.

LM

I have to say, it says a lot about people who would rather watch other people die a slow agonizing death than allow them to receive treatment that would reflect well on the President.
The country needs to see these people as they really are and what side of the aisle they occupy.

kalbokalbs

^^^ Bingo.
MCM and D-Rat rage against President Trump allows them to rationalize destroying America AND allowing Americans to needlessly suffer and die.

Linda

Anecdotal evidence, but good to hear.

kea
churchmouse

I’m not surprised!
I cannot blame them one bit.

grandmaintexas

From Geopolitics and Empire. #COVID1984