Dear KAG: 20200917 Constitution Day Open Thread, BOOM BOOM BOOM

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Moving today’s musical theme up ahead of what Que brought us yesterday.

It was one boom after another. Here’s the highlights (IMO, of course). The full set of drops, including the exposition of Anitfa’s “Climate Change” in the back of a pick-up can be viewed here.

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https://twitter.com/BodhiCrane/status/1306242118520774656

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Add it all up.
1. Virus
2. Riots [organized _ANTIFA]
3. Fires
The ‘Why’:

Make no mistake, they will not concede on Election Night.
Make no mistake, they will contest this legally in battleground states.
Make no mistake, they will project doubt in the election results
Make no mistake, they will organize massive riots and attempt Anarchy-99 design
Playbook known.
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https://twitter.com/joshdcaplan/status/1306287578476359680


>>10669567
The media is complicit.
‘Fact checkers’ created to reinforce the same narrative [propaganda] they themselves created.
Social media censor-terminate-silence anti-narrative accounts.
Echo.
System of control.
Mission: keep the public controlled and in the dark
Information warfare.
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Why did it take an ‘outsider’ to finally deliver the ‘start’ of peace in the middle east?
Why did it take an ‘outsider’ to finally deliver the ‘start’ of peace in the middle east?
News coverage? Front page(s)?
Missile strike(s) _attempt to terminate?
Peace doesn’t sell.
WAR [fear] does.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Evil and corruption @ highest levels.
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And just like that, what the red-pilled have known for quite some time went mainstream.

But that’s not all. From Fox News:

The Senate Homeland Security Committee on Wednesday voted to authorize subpoenas for former CIA Director John Brennan, former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, former FBI Director James Comey, and other Obama administration officials as part of its broad review into the origins of the Russia investigation….

The committee also authorized subpoenas for Sidney Blumenthal, former Obama chief of staff Denis McDonough, former FBI counsel Lisa Page, former FBI agent Joe Pientka, former ambassador to the United Nations Samantha Power, former FBI director of counterintelligence Bill Priestap, former White House national security adviser Susan Rice, former FBI agent Peter Strzok, former FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith – who pleaded guilty to making a false statement in the first criminal case arising from U.S. Attorney John Durham’s review of the investigation into links between Russia and the 2016 Trump campaign – among others.

The committee further authorized subpoenas for “the production of all records” related to the FBI’s original Russia investigation and the Department of Justice Inspector General’s probe, as well as the process of “unmasking” for James Baker, former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, DOJ official Bruce Ohr, FBI case agent Steven Somma, former U.S. Ambassador to Russia John Teftt, former deputy assistant attorney general Tashina Gauhar; and Stefan Halper.

And then the stellar reporter of the swamp tweeted:

For being hump day, Wednesday was quite a day.

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As usual, this is the daily thread, the place to put all information that needs to be out there – Q drops, Q drop decodes, riot information, rumors about MAGA rallies starting up again, news flashes, Chy-na flu updates, fashionable mask photos, satire, memes, and of course cute animal videos.

In the meantime, the short and sweet version of “THE RULES” is here borrowed from Tuesday:

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This site is a celebration of the natural rights endowed to humans by our Creator as well as those enshrined in the Bill of Rights adopted in the founding documents of the United States of America. Within the limits of law, how we exercise these rights is part of the freedom of our discussion.

Fellow tree dweller Wheatie gave us some good reminders on the basics of civility in political discourse:

  1. No food fights.
  2. No running with scissors.
  3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.

Since it is almost the weekend, the reminders are in place to not swing from the chandeliers, wash your hands and face, and be nice to the liberals whether they deserve it or not. Making your bed, OTOH, is optional.

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LUKE 9:23-26

23And he said to all, “If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. 24For whoever would save his life will lose it; and whoever loses his life for my sake, he will save it. 25For what does it profit a man if he gains the whole world and loses or forfeits himself? 26For whoever is ashamed of me and of my words, of him will the Son of man be ashamed when he comes in his glory and the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.

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I don’t remember who found this…Butterfly, Duchess, somebody like that…but it deserves another spin.

There were SO MANY parody songs this week, it was hard to choose.

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bakocarl

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

FLOTUS LOOKIN’ GOOD WITH THOR!!!

itswoot

Speaking of booms…
Ma sure knew how to disperse the troublemakers that showed up at her property. She reminds me of some of the feisty gals who post here. (you know who you are) 😉
Language warning: some mild cussing by Ma
(2:26)
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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I think we found a NEW D.A. for PORTLAND!!!

nikkichico7

… bwahahahahaha … get her out there ASAP … 😫🤚

nikkichico7

Yup .. watch you dadgum buttocks .. fiesty women don’t take no stuff, ever. 🤨👍❤️
… however, when you’re nice, mannerly, & honest … well … it’s a beautiful day in the neighborhood .. 🎶

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Loved the Comeydian Rhapsody! (And yes, he looks just a wee bit too much like an over-snacked James Corney for my tastes, but GOOD PARODY.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I don’t care what side you’re on vis-a-vis waiting on Honeybadger, but this just cracked me up!comment image

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Twitter now taking heat for censorship of Li-Mang Yan!

mollypitcher5

Terrific work by MM
THREAD: #FollowTheMoney Soros A-Team: AbolishICE, Antifa & Sanctuary Anarchists.
This is a compilation of Open Society Foundation-funded groups/grantees tied to #anarchotyranny in America. All info comes from #OpenBordersInc. Bookmark & share. You won’t see this on Fox News.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1306367801309814784?refresh=1600301198

mollypitcher5
nikkichico7

Interesting … awesome .. 🇺🇸❤️🇺🇸 ..comment image

mollypitcher5

Coincidence? One gas pipeline explosion in Ok and right down the interstate…another one? Almost like anarcho terrorists traveling to DC for the lalapalooza? Suspect to me..
https://twitter.com/zerosum24/status/1306453094276960263

wheatietoo

Both explosions happened right beside a road = easy getaway.
I was thinking sabotage when the first one happened here in OK.
Then…the second one happened.
😒
Once is maybe an accident, maybe.
But TWO in one night?
That’s no coincidence.
This gets the full side eye from me:comment image

rayzorbak

This was a pretty big deal here in Ft Smith last night.
No reasons given yet as to how/why it started.

wheatietoo

Same here.
Still “investigating” to see how it happened.
A couple of utility poles nearby, were “burning from the inside out”.
😳😕
Which firefighters thought was “strange”.
Huge crater. Big hole blown in the pipeline.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

ForGodandCountry

Paine must’ve meant Biden “threatens”, not “warns”.
It a “Nice country ya got there. Be a shame if something were to happen to it.” threat to all of America.
Typical liberal “do as I say, or else”.
The last time this happened was when the slave holding states started the 1st Civil War. Trust me, those who survived that nightmare lived to regret it.
FACT: Sherman, during his Great march, went very light and easy on them. He could have shot and/or hanged every single non-Unionist for sedition and treason.

mollypitcher5

They thought he (PDJT) would fail….wrong

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Comparing Kerry to an iguana???
More anti-lizard bigotry!!!! I’m not an iguana nor do I play one on TV but I must still protest as a matter of lacertan solidarity!!!comment image

Aubergine

What does tapping the “F8-A” key on this keyboard do to your computer?

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Huh?
Oh, Darwin has been posting with my account again!

Deplorable Patriot

Yang tried that back when he could see and tried to get in my lap.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

More seriously, one time he walked across the keyboard and about twenty empty new tabs opened on my browser. I had no idea there was a key combo to do that. I generally have to lift him off the keyboard (or at least lift one foot) to avoid something bad happening…particularly if I’m trying to type a comment.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Nevada backs off on HCQ – do they know something is coming? Sisolak in CYA mode…..

patfrederick

yesterday was a travel day for us–200 miles (one way) just to see my primary doctor for a check up. 4 hours on the road, then I get to the office–get checked in–and waited another HOUR for the doc…sigh
anyway I got a chance to ask his opinion of HCQ and whether or not he’d prescribe it for us if we tested positive. He immediately said no–too many side effects long term–like liver and kidney damage. I said really? what about all the people taking it for Lupus or rheumatoid arthritis or malaria? they take it for months–we’re talking 2 weeks for covid. amazingly enough he got beeped at that moment and stepped out of the exam room for a second.
however, one positive thing: in our trip, we saw probably 100-125 TRUMP 2020 signs along the roads and highways and only saw 1 Biteme sign as we approached inner city where the doc is.

wheatietoo

If it was me…I’d get a new doctor, Pat.
Maybe one that is closer?
And one that isn’t prejudiced against HCQ.

patfrederick

i have a hard time with doctors–it took a long time for me to be comfortable with this one. I do not agree with everything he suggests and he knows that I don’t–he doesn’t give me a hard time with choices that I make for the most part.
as for the traveling, that’s where my family is, so traveling isn’t usually an issue–but we did it all in one day this time so it was difficult.

Teagan

GOOD for you, Pat, to challenge the doc about other illnesses using HCQ long-term! Bet that hasn’t happened before. Saved by the “beep”, he was. BTW, never had a doctor stepping out of the room when in the middle of an exam.

patfrederick

hubby and I were discussing our “exams” of late. the “nurse” takes blood pressure, weighs me (I blamed the extra pounds on the mask…lol), gets our heart rate and does an A1c. when the doc comes in, we chat, he listens to my lungs and boom we’re done.
while that is not a lot, I’m still not sure how any of that can be accomplished virtually…

Gail Combs

“The A1C test measures your average blood sugar level for the past two to three months.” — Mayo Clinic.

“A home blood glucose test is a safe and affordable way for people to check for diabetes before it causes problems. “https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/317224
OR
Just stay the heck away from sugar and starches like breads, pasta, corn… Cinnamon will moderate insulin spiking in pre-diabetic hypoglycemia
2008 Chromium and polyphenols from cinnamon improve insulin sensitivity
Also NATURAL THERAPIES: Cinnamon and Diabetes
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/natural-therapies/cinnamon.html
Get a blood pressure cuff and take your own blood pressure & pulse.
Get a stethoscope and you can both practice listening to normal lungs.
Get a Pulse-oximeter. This one allows you to SEE the heartbeat so you can tell if there is arrhythmia.
Blood pressure cuff – $29.99 & up
Stethoscope – $9.39 & up
Pulse-oximeter -$49.99 & up
(Every home should probably have these basics.)
Verio Blood Glucose Monitoring System (Needs ongoing supplies) — $28.99
…..
Weigh your self first thing in the morning before you eat.
If you keep a record of these statistics it is probably more helpful to your D. than a once a year check. It also helps YOU figure out what foods/natural remedies do what to your body. (OK so I am a retired lab rat. 🤣 )

patfrederick

i tried to give up foods that spike my sugar…it made me nasty and wanna eat them more.
I do much better balancing my “treats” with additional exercise to combat the spike.
I hafta say tho…nurse took my blood pressure when i first got there…it was 110 over 70. perfect for me.
when the doc came in an hour later, he said …looks like your BP is great. I said…wanna check it NOW?????
I admire people who can eat only the good things…I can’t. so I compromise with added exercise.

Gail Combs

Do not forget to add FAT and PROTEIN and a cinnamon tab if you are going to eat treats.
Russell Stover has some yummy sugar free candies (EXPENSIVE!) and so does Atkins.
For starch I use rice (Long grain brown if I can get it.) Rice does not have the impact other starches do and is digested further along the intestines. It also cleans out the ‘bad bugs’ You can get spaghetti noodles and such. Just do not cook too long!
I have found the super dark chocolate from Trader Joes satisfies my cravings with only 5 carbs per square. If I do not have my CHOCOLATE, I too get nasty and hungry.comment image

patfrederick

wow…I cannot eat much sugar free stuff–usually gives me the runs…so I eat a small bite of exactly what I want…satisfies my cravings.

Deplorable Patriot

When I first went paleo about 10 years ago, the first 72 hours were the hardest for cravings. After that, I was dizzy for about three weeks which is normal for converting to fat burning.
Honestly, so long as you have protein any time you eat carbs it should balance.

patfrederick

i do try that.

NurseSusy

You can buy your own home A1C test monitor from about $55-100 plus test strips, which you only need to test once every 12 weeks, more often is not necessary. These are on Amazon, Walmart, drug stores. A good blood pressure monitor is the battery powered wrist cuff type. Make sure to hold the cuff over your heart with a very relaxed arm for the best readings.
Most likely the person than weighs you, measures vital signs, and any type of blood work are not Registered Nurses but $15/hr medical assistants. They are certified after a 6 month course. The title Nurse is a protected title by the state Nursing boards same as medical boards for physicians. These medical assistants often usurp the title nurse. Asking them questions that a Nurse with 4 yrs of training should be answering, not a medical assistant, is not recommended. Even a question such as is that a “good” blood pressure, should not be answered by the medical assistant, and their response should be “check with the doctor.” They can’t even tell you if a rapid Strip test is positive or negative.

patfrederick

I figured I was wrong on her actual title, but didn’t exactly know what to call them either. I know she’s not a PA…the PA in the office has that designation on her name tag…

ladypenquin

It can’t be done virtually… Not really, not quality, hands on care.
I had to have a telehealth “visit” this week (because the sleep specialty practice isn’t doing in office visits until next year. COVID, you know) to get yearly prescription for CPAP supplies. Before the MD contact, the office called my phone and asked a couple of basic questions, med changes, and how do I feel. They also asked my weight, and vital signs. I know them – I’m a nurse, I have the monitoring equipment, so I gave them the data. Then I asked if I could charge them for the taking my vitals. I don’t think she was amused.
Anyway, Smart phone failed to allow video/audio access, so it ended up just being a phone call. No problem, MD nice. Was going to send new order in (only good for a year for those who may not know how the CPAP racket works). At the end of the call, I looked at details – call lasted 5 min 40 sec. BTW, 2 days later the equipment company still had to contact MD office for the order! Never got sent.
For that, they’re charge a regular visit to my insurance company. There’s a push for telehealth (which I believe has a place, but only in few situations. Last time I saw this MD was 09/19, won’t see him again until 09/21 – it will be a total of 2 yrs without physical contact.
Since Big Business took over health care, given the final push with the ACA, real care has all but disappeared – we have techi stuff, but desensitized and depersonalized “care.” Now the practices are making a mint on 5 minute telehealth visits.
What a racket, welcome to the new health “care” model. I’m so last century. 🙂

patfrederick

ever since the disaster (ocare), visits with my doc are less about me and more about inputting crap into the computer.
every visit I decline the flu shot…decline test a, b, c or d (you know because i’m x amount of yrs old I SHOULD have this test or that test) and I patiently (HAHA pun intended) tell them that I am happy doing what I’m doing and do not want more tests.
if I got a concern, I’m an adult and will address it–till then I’m good.

ladypenquin

Good for you, pat. You’re strong. Obamacare destroyed what was left of personalized medicine. One of my good friends, who I got into see my specialist, bluntly asked him if he was going to just sit there and type into the computer or listen to her. She’s not shy.

patfrederick

we have an agreement, my doc and me. he prescribes what he thinks will be good for me. I will research it myself and IF I think it’s a good thing, I’ll fill the script…I never let him just give me a med…
when I first met my doc, I told him, my goal is to live to be 100. I’m not asking for your opinion on that–just whether or not you can be on board with helping me towards that goal. if you don’t think it’s doable or can’t see me getting there…I’ll get another doctor. I drive the car–you’re just the mechanic…LOL

NurseSusy

Dear Pat, They have to offer those tests, etc, because if they don’t and don’t record the the declination, they need to for risk management of the malpractice insurance, Medicare, and private health insurance company. For example if an annual breast exam & mammogram isn’t offered and the patient gets breast cancer, guess who could get sued and dropped as provider for Medicare?
All the declinations become electronic statistics for the health care systems and for the CDC Healthy People 2020 (updated yearly). All the electronic health records have hard stops (must be answered) in the record to capture this information. There are prompts for preventive care depending on the patient’s age. Medicare is really big on offering preventive care.
To clarify my position, I don’t like the industrial health care in the US and especially, evidenced based medicine. We are not all one size fits all. The health care system should spend money on genetic testing of people, which can tell much about the future health status of a person. For example, testing for the BRACA 1 & BRACA 2 gene for breast cancer. Also genetic testing for predisposition for colon cancer. Genetic testing how one responds to pharmaceuticals. Some people get all the side effects because of genes, some people no effect from the meds, and some do well. There are genes how you respond to statins, blood pressure meds, blood thinners, depression meds, and antibiotics. Lots of medical trial and error would be avoided and people ending up in the ICU with renal failure because of response to a “well tolerated” drug.

patfrederick

yeah I guessed that on the tests–ge always says I have to ask even tho I know the answer…
and I do appreciate he has to protect his practice.

Aubergine

I have to say this, it isn’t about you, Pat, it is about all of us.
I am STUNNED by the bullshit we the people put up with from doctors!
This guy is PAID by you. Our doctors WORK FOR US. We listen to them, doing what they say, even when we KNOW they are WRONG!
Something in this model has to change. I am tired of taking “no” for an answer, when I know the doctor is full of shit.

ladypenquin

Aubergine, look above at my answer to pat. Gave my physician experience from this week.

Teagan

I agree with you, Aubergine….at this point I pretty much “interview” my doctors as though I was hiring them…because in many ways, I am. I am health-educated enough that insist on being a partner in the management of my health care. And, in my experience, the really good doctors welcome this.
OTOH, I am a good “patient/partner”….I go to my appointments totally prepared…a list of questions, anything new or different from the previous time, etc., what meds that are up for renewal and if there’s anything better on the market, etc.
When I “hired” my current primary doctor I asked and he agreed to assume responsibility for all of my meds…that includes little things like oils and ointments for minor annoyances, itching eyelids, skin, restless legs, etc…..primarily so they are all in one spot, but also to eliminate unnecessary doctor appointment to merely get them refilled. That, IMO, is a practical partnership …very much like the old-time family doctor or even dentists before all the “specialists” came into the picture.
And, BTW, your statement about doctors could very easily be said about our elected leaders and even government agencies!

Aubergine

100% agree with all you wrote! Excellent!

NurseSusy

Which is why an experienced seasoned Nurse Practitioner will provide you with excellent holistic care over a doctor’s care. All doctors should be forced to watch a season of “Doctor Pimple Popper” with an exam at the end to learn how to have an excellent “bedside” manner.
I am always crossing swords with doctors involved in my personal health care, starting with that most medical assistants do not measure a blood pressure properly.

patfrederick

oh yeah…I also asked about a vaccine…would HE take it?
He said if it’s available THIS November? hell NO. not enough testing in his mind, but if it’s available NEXT November, probably.

🦋🤸‍♀️🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🤸‍♀️🦋

I don’t like your Doc’s attitude.
TeleDoc, JIC
https://speakwithanmd.com/

patfrederick

I agree.
I tried to set up a virtual visit with my family doc (instead of traveling) and I was told I couldn’t because I didn’t have an ipad or a smart phone.
I have a laptop and a kindle–none of those will work???

🦋🤸‍♀️🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🤸‍♀️🦋

Nope. They’re using phone apps, facetime on Apple and another app on Android. No windows or kindle. Gotta be a smart phone app.

patfrederick

then i’m outta luck…

🦋🤸‍♀️🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🤸‍♀️🦋

Do you have a neighbor w/a smart phone? They call you on the number, you talk face to face, It’s pretty brief.

patfrederick

I don’t even have year round neighbors bfly…LOL

ladypenquin

We downloaded the app for the Big Business health monoply, but then couldn’t get the phone to allow video – could not figure it out. Fortunately, the MD just went ahead and called me. See my story upthread of talking to my sleep disorder MD.
Welcome to the even more depersonalized “care” model.
PS. It’s not wonder they got rid of all the RNs in MD offices, now a tech or LPN is all they use. Too bad, RNs used to help patients in many ways – and saved patients, along with saving physicians – time.

🦋🤸‍♀️🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🤸‍♀️🦋

I’m concerned they they no longer weigh or check blood pressure on these visits. It’s been 8 months since I’ve been checked.

ladypenquin

That’s not good. People who have blood pressure issues, and older folks should certainly have their B/P checked. You probably already know that pharmacies have free blood pressure check stations, or you can get a home kit. They’re usually reliable. Check your B/P – at various times at first – and then settle into a consistent time check, and body position as well.

🦋🤸‍♀️🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🤸‍♀️🦋

👍

NurseSusy

The intake person that does vitals, reviews the meds, and ask about symptoms, are medical assistants for about $15/hr. There may be one Registered Nurse in a medium sized office, large clinics might have 2-4 Registered Nurses, the rest are medical assistants. Skilled nursing facilities has one Registered Nurse per area, the rest are LPNs for “meds pass” and Certified Nursing Assistants for patient care.

ladypenquin

We have an android, and couldn’t find the way to allow video for the downloaded app. BTW, removed the app as soon as phone call was done. 🙂

phoenixrising37

Not based on science of course…
but methinks your doc is a DEMOCRAT

patfrederick

what was your first clue? the no on HCQ or the no to vaccine…LOL

phoenixrising37

😉

TradeBait

Has PDT ever directed We the People the wrong way in 4 years as POTUS? The DS and evil scum – yes. He uses disinformation and misdirection all of the time. We the People – nope. He said HCQ, z-pac, zinc early on. So that is the answer on therapeutics. Period. Which is why all of the DS and leftists officials went 180 degrees away from it.

scott467

” The Senate Homeland Security Committee on Wednesday voted to authorize subpoenas for former CIA Director John Brennan, former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, former FBI Director James Comey, and other Obama administration officials as part of its broad review into the origins of the Russia investigation….
The committee also authorized subpoenas for Sidney Blumenthal, former Obama chief of staff Denis McDonough, former FBI counsel Lisa Page, former FBI agent Joe Pientka, former ambassador to the United Nations Samantha Power, former FBI director of counterintelligence Bill Priestap, former White House national security adviser Susan Rice, former FBI agent Peter Strzok, former FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith – who pleaded guilty to making a false statement in the first criminal case arising from U.S. Attorney John Durham’s review of the investigation into links between Russia and the 2016 Trump campaign – among others.
The committee further authorized subpoenas for “the production of all records” related to the FBI’s original Russia investigation and the Department of Justice Inspector General’s probe, as well as the process of “unmasking” for James Baker, former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, DOJ official Bruce Ohr, FBI case agent Steven Somma, former U.S. Ambassador to Russia John Teftt, former deputy assistant attorney general Tashina Gauhar; and Stefan Halper.”
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They can authorize subpoenas all the way to Jupiter and back, and it won’t make any difference, because they have no power to COMPEL.
If all of the people above are subpoenaed, and not a single one of them complies and shows up, what is the Senate Homeland security Committee going to do?
Are they going to indict anybody?
No.
Are they going to strap on a gun and go arrest anybody?
No.
Are they going to prosecute anybody?
No.
Will anything at all happen to anyone who refuses to comply with the subpoena?
No.
So why would any of the active coup (or ‘color revolution’) participants comply with the Senate subpoenas?
They wouldn’t, and they won’t, because they don’t have to, because there is no penalty for non-compliance.
And just like that, the Senate Homeland Security Committee was completely irrelevant…

🦋🤸‍♀️🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🤸‍♀️🦋

We all know Congress can’t prosecute. Focus on the positive.
Hearings apply pressure to the crims, as well as provide them further opportunities to screw up….change stories, contradict one another, throw others under the bus, lie to Congress, etc..
They also keep the story in the news and provide fodder for campaign ads.
DURHAM IS COMING!!!

ladypenquin

I’m with you. Durham must be done – where it was okay for the dog and pony hearings to commence. These people aren’t going to be saying anything anyway – on the advice of their lawyers.

scott467

“Hearings apply pressure to the crims, as well as provide them further opportunities to screw up….change stories, contradict one another, throw others under the bus, lie to Congress, etc..”
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I understand, but it doesn’t matter.
That’s the whole thing.
We’re in the 4th year of this nonsense.
And before that, we went through 8 years of Hussein, with the IRS investigation (lovely Lois Lerner), Benghazi (lovely Hitlery Clinton), Fast & Furious gun-running (Eric ‘Shaft’ Holder), and others I can’t even remember now.
It’s not more investigation that is needed, we’re so far past that, it’s like trying to make the audience sit through the opening scene of a movie again, when they’ve already sat through 72 hours and 36 intermissions.
It’s like SD’s updates on new felonies discovered related to FISA-gate every day. There is already enough evidence to execute these traitors a thousand times over. It’s a cartoon at this point, and has been, for years now.
It’s like having Jeffrey Dahmer on videotape murdering 25 different people, cutting them up in little pieces, putting the meat in his freezer, and occasionally cooking some of it for a snack.
What point (not to mention justice) is served by providing him opportunities to murder victim number 26?
More investigation isn’t necessary. More hearings aren’t necessary. More evidence, isn’t necessary.
There is only one thing that is necessary.
The one thing that is necessary, the thing which is needful, is the thing which they will not do.
Arrest.
Stop the criminals, who are, at this very moment, fully engaged in the highest Treason ever committed, even from directly within the very government, and by former presidential candidates (Hitlery), former directors of the C_A, former directors of the FIB, and most particularly, the immediately previous president of the United States.
They are engaged in a daily assault on our nation, a ‘color revolution’, against the United States of America. For nearly FOUR YEARS running, and they will continue another four years, until or unless anybody physically STOPS them.
What is needed is arrest.
Everything else is kabuki.
In fact, the longer this goes on, it’s not the criminals who are being (further) exposed. We have long since past the time when the criminals can be exposed any further than they already are.
It is the just-us system which is being exposed now.
The bad guys are already dead to rights.
It’s the supposed ‘good guys’ who will not do their job, who will not enforce the law, who will not make arrests, no matter how heinous the crimes, no matter whether the perpetrators are even this very moment IN THE ACT.
It’s like a 4-year long bank robbery in progress. The entire bank is filled with people (the American People) who have been taken hostage. Real people (Americans) are dying, being executed by the bank the robbers. For 4 years.
The prosecutors and the police drive right past the bank robbery in progress every day on their way to work, and again on their way home in the evening.
Some days the robbers throw a lifeless murdered body out in the street, right in front of the prosecutor’s car, DARING him to do anything about it, but he just casually drives around it and continues on his way.
When the bank robbers realized that nobody cared if the murdered everybody in the bank, and nobody cared if they took all the money in the bank, they decided to make the bank their headquarters, and just stay there, and use the bank as a meeting place to recruit new criminals and take new hostages whenever any citizen has the misfortune to walk into that particular bank.
After four years, they have broken into the bank security system and infiltrated other banks all over the world, they’re taking everything, and growing exponentially, subverting governments all around the globe.
Nobody cares.
The police and the prosecutors drive right by Traitor Headquarters twice a day, every day. They know what the traitors are doing, they’ve always known. They don’t care. If they were going to care, they would have cared long before now. How can anyone think they care, when murdered hostages litter the street outside the bank?
So now comes another hearing or congressional investigation to look into the propriety of former administration officials and known bad actors robbing banks and murdering hostages.
Why?
What’s the point?
The very same government, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, chaired by Marco Rubio because Senator Richard Burr’s criminality became to obvious, is actively withholding documents from other Republican investigators as we speak.
The level of ‘farce’ is off the charts.
If there is anyone left to ‘investigate’, it is the investigators.
It is the DoJ and the FIB, because they have all the evidence any investigator and prosecutor could ever hope for, a million times over.
And they just drive right past that bank robbery in progress every single day.
Even when the bodies of murdered Americans are thrown right in front of their cars as they drive past.
Where is the Congressional hearing about that?
And what would be the point, anyway?

Deplorable Patriot

Just doing the subpoenas sets the stage for prosecution down the line.
Reputations need to be shaken in the public’s minds before these people can’t walk down the street and all that.
This is strategery.

scott467

“Just doing the subpoenas sets the stage for prosecution down the line.”
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Has that ever actually happened before?
In modern history, or even in the entire history of the United States?
Or should we be looking for some new thing under the sun?
Asking for a battered nation…

scott467

“Reputations need to be shaken in the public’s minds before these people can’t walk down the street and all that.”
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But the public doesn’t have a collective ‘mind’, and there is no way to measure whether individual ‘minds’ are shaken.
And nobody cared if OUR minds were ‘shaken’ by the relentless assault on our country, on our freedom, on our government, on our People. Nobody gave two *hits about that (or us).
So I remain unpersuaded about the delicate public and their need for carefully calibrated acclimation to unpleasant truths, as if the largest bureaucracy on the planet could ever calibrate such a nuanced acclimation, even if they wanted to, which they don’t.
People with ‘reputations’ do bad things every day. If your local doctor gets caught molesting some child, nobody engages in a 4-year long Byzantine plot to undermine the Doctor’s reputation in the ‘mind’ of the ‘public’ before they (maybe, hopefully, some day…) arrest him.
It’s ludicrous.
It’s not just ludicrous, it’s infantile. If you had to undermine the reputation of someone before they could be arrested, nobody would ever be arrested, for anything, ever.
“But these are government people, well known by the public” I can hear people saying.
So we have two tiers of justice and law in America, one for the public, and none for traitors and the political-class?
Most of these people aren’t well known to the public. If you do a ‘man on the street’ interview and ask a hundred people who John Brennan is, I doubt FIVE random people could answer the question.
The only people these criminals are ‘well known’ to are people like us, and we don’t need to be carefully and tenderly prepared for the harsh and inconceivable truth that our public officials are really, really (no, I mean really) bad people…
Nothing adds up.
It hasn’t from the beginning, and it doesn’t now.

Gail Combs

Actually the House/Senate can COMPEL people to show… After jumping through court room hoops.
March 27, 2019 Congressional Subpoenas: Enforcing Executive Branch Compliance
I think this is ONLY for those still IN THE GOVERNMENT.

…. The recipient of a duly issued and valid congressional subpoena has a legal obligation to comply, absent a valid and overriding privilege or other legal justification. But the subpoena is only as effective as the means by which it may be enforced. Without a process by which Congress can coerce compliance or deter non-compliance, the subpoena would be reduced to a formalized request rather than a constitutionally based demand for information.
Congress currently employs an ad hoc combination of methods to combat non-compliance with subpoenas. The two predominant methods rely on the authority and participation of another branch of government. First, the criminal contempt statute permits a single house of Congress to certify a contempt citation to the executive branch for the criminal prosecution of an individual who has willfully refused to comply with a committee subpoena. Once the contempt citation is received, any prosecution lies within the control of the executive branch. Second, Congress may try to enforce a subpoena by seeking a civil judgment declaring that the recipient is legally obligated to comply. This process of civil enforcement relies on the help of the courts to enforce congressional demands.
But these mechanisms do not always ensure congressional access to requested information.
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The Supreme Court has therefore determined that “some means of compulsion [is] essential” for Congress “to obtain what is needed.” 6 When Congress finds an inquiry blocked by the withholding of information, or where the traditional process of negotiation and accommodation7 obligation to comply with a duly issued and valid congressional subpoena, unless a valid and overriding privilege or other legal justification permits non-compliance.9 is considered inappropriate or unavailing, a subpoena—either for testimony or documents—may be used to compel compliance with congressional demands.8 An individual—whether a member of the public or an executive branch official—has a legal obligation to comply with a duly issued and valid congressional subpoena, unless a valid and overriding privilege or other legal justification permits non-compliance. 9 The subpoena, however, is only as effective as the means by which it is potentially enforced.
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Second, Congress may try to enforce a subpoena by seeking a civil judgment declaring that the recipient is legally obligated to comply.
Four times since 2008, the House of Representatives has held an executive branch official (or former official) in criminal contempt of Congress for denying a committee information subpoenaed during an ongoing investigation.19 In each instance the executive branch determined not to bring the matter before a grand jury.20 In three of the four instances, the House also looked to the federal courts for civil enforcement of the outstanding subpoena.
21 The committees involved eventually obtained much of the information sought through those lawsuits, but only after prolonged litigation, and, in one of the cases, only after a judicial decision that could be viewed as potentially hindering Congress’s access to executive branch information in the future.22….

So it is a waiting game.
By WAITING UNTIL THE ELEVENTH HOUR the Senate GUARANTEED non-compliance would have ZERO effect on the up coming election but they get ATTA BOYS for trying.
http://kitsufox.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/funny-dog-pictures-come-on-the-dog-and-pony-show-is-this-way.jpg

scott467

“Actually the House/Senate can COMPEL people to show… After jumping through court room hoops.”
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I’ve been taking a PhD level course on court room ‘hoops’ from the esteemed Judge Sullivan, and I can confidently report that there is no ‘final’ hoop to jump through. Even if you jump through a hundred court room hoops, it doesn’t matter.
Because the ‘hoops’ aren’t for jumping through, that’s not their purpose. The purpose of the ‘hoop’ is to frustrate justice, to delay, to buy time to invent new ‘hoops’.
And inventing new ‘hoops’ is much easier than jumping through them, so you will never ever catch up to the hoop-makers, to overtake them.
It’s like an infinity mirror.
You can never get ahead of your own reflection.
So long as keeping Lt. General Flynn tied up in the legal process is necessary, the Sullivan court room will do exactly that. It doesn’t matter how absurd the scenario becomes, even if it means Judge Sullivan has to become the prosecutor, the jury AND the judge.
He will do it, without hesitation or batting an eye, because he is being ordered to do so by someone with the power to coerce. And no one will stop him. He can do whatever he wants, so long as he maintains a minimally plausible pretense of legality, something (anything) for the circuit court to hang their crooked hat on, and grant him more ‘time’, which is all this has been about from the get-go.
Just like with Assange. They kept him holed up in a hotel room for what, 7 years?
That’s 10% of the average lifetime. And TPTB would do it for another 7 years too, without even thinking about it. They would do it for the rest of his life, just out of spite, just because they can.
Speaking of which, where is he now?
So it is with Flynn also, he’s just higher profile. Everything Sullivan (and his puppet-masters) does is about time and delay, to keep Flynn sequestered and mute, and for reasons unknown, Flynn plays along, instead of simply walking out onto the courthouse steps and saying whatever he wants to say.
There is not a fiction writer in the history of book writing who would ever dare of inventing a character who does what Sullivan has already done, because nobody would ever believe it. And Sullivan is just getting warmed up. The best is yet to come 😂
Truth isn’t just stranger than fiction, truth makes fiction look like a safe, quaint far away dream.
This is what happens when a judicial system is 100% thoroughly corrupted, when the criminals are running the system. None of them are ever held accountable, for anything, because THEY are running the system.
And knowing this, they don’t really care how corrupt it looks to the public, because ultimately, the public can’t do anything about it anyway.
So the “just us” system is become a closed circuit where the desired outcome is always determined first, and then the ‘process’ is constructed in order to serve the desired outcome.
House and Senate ‘hearings’ are the bread and circuses.
And squirrels.
In fact, here comes one now.
Look! Squirrel! 😂🤣😂
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“I think this is ONLY for those still IN THE GOVERNMENT.”
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I’ve seen this movie too.
Lots of times.
It’s the biggest loophole of them all.
They just wait until the 11th hour, just before we think we finally have them right where we want them, and then they resign.
No longer part of the government, so all of the legal chicanery (which was only designed to delay and protect the system in the first place) is and always was moot.
Ta-da!
Now you can’t get me, now you can’t get me, nana-nana-na na…
And they’ve just wasted months (and months) (and months) of legal wrangling and taxpayer dollars and Sleepy Joe Public is starting to yawn and losing interest as the can is kicked a little farther down the road…
I’ve seen this movie too.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

September is a history-studded month, with VJ day, the Treaty of Paris, Patriot’s Day (9/11), Star Spangled Banner Day and Constitution Day. And there’s one more, Air Force day!
But this year, it also has the Thirteen Days of The Dragon.comment image

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Shocked….. Yeah, but not shocked…..
https://twitter.com/FOXNashville/status/1306412830422454273

scott467

Link doesn’t work on my FF browser, but it works on Dissenter browser.

ForGodandCountry

They won’t be able to walk the streets in safety.
Q

ladypenquin

Lawsuits.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

ForGodandCountry

Watch the end of virtually any good guy vs. bad guy movie where the bad guy has finally been cornered like the rat bastard he/she/they are. They always go to their doom with some variation of the pathetic “Look at you. You’re no better than me!” rant.
It’s a cliché, but that’s only because it’s true.

duchess01

Because they want to sow discord and confusion – both sides are pushing against the middle – they criticized PT for not listening to the CDC – who touted masks were better than a vaccine!
We know they will refute anything PT says – it was the most annoying presser to which I listened!
Half of that presser was about ‘masks’ – because people are rebelling – PT said he wears one when it is necessary – in a prior presser – he admonished a questioner – because his voice was muffled due to mask.
I get the impression PT does not come right out and say what he believes – he leaves it to the people to decide what is right and what is not – however – why put out all of those stats – we need to be done with this pest!!!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

If you look at the TDS replies to this tweet…..

…..and then look at this CNN article on the AstraZeneca vaccine…..
NIH ‘very concerned’ about serious side effect in AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccine trial
By Arthur Allen and Liz Szabo, Kaiser Health News
Updated 8:44 AM ET, Tue September 15, 2020
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/15/health/covid-19-vaccine-trial-astrazeneca-nih-fda-kaiser/index.html
…..it become immediately clear that Trump has actually used TDS to get the left to AS A WHOLE reverse their position on vaccines. The left is now ALL ABOUT VACCINE SIDE EFFECTS.
It’s just AMAZING.

scott467

It regularly occurs to me that it would not be possible to manipulate the Left as DJT frequently does, unless the Left is, collectively, suffering from some kind of actual mental disorder.
Because if they weren’t, simple self-awareness would alert them to what DJT is doing, and they would stop playing along.
The fact that they don’t stop, that they go right along where DJT leads them, makes it appear as if they are hypnotized, or in a trance.
It’s just bizarre…
They can’t all be insane… I think they’re ideologically insane, but they can’t all be insane from the standpoint of basic reality, they can’t be diagnosably insane, and yet that’s exactly what they appear to be.
If it was a ruse, if they were playing a part or a role, either voluntarily or by coercion, there would be frequent slip-ups, many of which would be ‘caught’ and replayed all over the Interwebs. Professional actors often can’t get through a single scene without slip-ups, but these half-assed political hacks can go on live TV day in and day out, without flubbing their lines or (figuratively) dropping their mask?
Not a chance.
If they’re not actually (clinically) insane, and they’re not faking it, then what is the explanation?
Group delusion? To be that all-encompassing, that pervasive and that complete, it would have to be something clinical, some form of insanity. One professional being insane would be interesting. Several would be extraordinary. But all of them is not possible.
Even in a scenario of mass psychosis (e.g., Salem Witch trials), not everybody is insane…
It’s one of the most fascinating aspects of everything that is going on, and yet hardly anybody ever talks about it, except around here.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yup. I think it’s a legitimately pathological moral hysteria.

scott467

Then it must be induced, it can’t be naturally occurring.
And if it’s induced, if it’s artificially initiated, then by definition, how could it be anything other than a mind-control weapon?

duchess01

I agree – it is programming – then, again – they get paid a pretty penny to do this, too!!!
If they deviate from the ‘script’ – they get fired – or worse – maybe, they get extra cash for gotcha questions – dunno – it is bizarre – they are like robots – sometimes, they flub over their words getting their message out – other times – they are reading from something – and they quote MSM news – as if it were truth.
Many times, Kayleigh has said – ‘you conveniently left out part of the quote’ – everything is out of context!
These people are owned, controlled, and paid to play a part.
I love it when Pt goes out of his way to call on OANN – their questions are thoughtful and truthful – and it gives him a reprieve from all of the nonsense – at this point – his patience is worn out – imho

Gail Combs

“….Even in a scenario of mass psychosis (e.g., Salem Witch trials), not everybody is insane…..”
Scott, Wolfie
REMEMBER the Fake News and Universities and Schools SCREENOUT the sane! That is what ‘Political Correctness’ was all about.
‘Political Correctness’ =/= True or Real
‘Political Correctness’ = CONFORMS to Marxist Ideology and

The Philosophy Of Karl Marx
The philosophical bases of Marx’s thought were laid early and remained unchanged throughout his life. As a student, Marx accepted the philosophy of Hegel as the only sound and adequate explanation of the universe. According to this philosophy, “the only immutable thing is the abstraction of movement.” The one universal phenomenon is change, and the only universal form of this phenomenon is its complete abstraction. Thus, Hegel accepted as real only that which existed in the mind. Objective phenomena and events were of no consequence; only the conceptions of them possessed by human minds were real. Ideas, not objects, were the stuff of which the universe was made.
In the Hegelian philosophy no idea could exist without an opposite…. Struggle or conflict was the en-evitable fact in such a universe—conflict of the thesis with its antithesis. In this struggle thesis and antithesis acted and reacted on each other, and a new phenomenon—synthesis—was created. All action or change occurring in the universe was, under the Hegelian philosophy, the product of thesis, antithesis, and resulting synthesis—all in the realm of ideas, since objective reality could exist only in that sphere. Since this process was universal and never ending, it offered a complete explanation of the causal processes creating all phenomena within the universe….
*https://web.archive.org/web/20081231193454/http://www.economictheories.org/2008/12/philosophy-of-karl-marx.html

This is why there is so much emphasis placed on ‘Consensus’ – In other words if I wish real hard and click my heels three time it is TRUE! (And since I control the scientific data bases I can change the data to meet my fantasy.)
^^^^^
THAT philosophy COMPLETELY DESTROYS SCIENCE! That is why you got Trofim Lysenko and the inheritance of acquired traits. (Like cutting of tails of rats and breeding them will eventually lead to a tailess rat.) This belief in ‘inheritance of acquired traits’ was CRITICAL to COMMUNISM and the concept of the ‘withering away of the state’ aka ‘Utopia’

scott467

“In this struggle thesis and antithesis acted and reacted on each other, and a new phenomenon—synthesis—was created.”
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Hegel was an idiot or a con-man, and Marx was an idiot for believing him — if he really did, which it seems hard to believe.
There is no ‘synthesis’ in actual practice of Marxism.
Marxism is barbarianism, might makes right.
There is no watering down of Marxism via ‘synthesis’ with the antithesis of Marxism. Marxism seeks to crush its antithesis, not synthesis with it.
If the Left is known for anything besides criminality, it is known for being intransigent and uncompromising.
So Hegel was a fraud, and Marx was a fraud.
A person doesn’t need to know anything more about either of them to reach that conclusion.
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“All action or change occurring in the universe was, under the Hegelian philosophy, the product of thesis, antithesis, and resulting synthesis—all in the realm of ideas, since objective reality could exist only in that sphere.”
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Which is stupid.
For just one example out of infinity, the actions of the planet Jupiter moving through space, acting on other bodies via its gravity, is not the product of any man’s thought process or vain theory, it is an objective, observable and measurable reality.
And no amount of ‘ideas’, collectively or individually, can alter the measurable actions and effect that Jupiter has on the universe.
Hegel is either an idiot or a charlatan.
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“Since this process was universal and never ending, it offered a complete explanation of the causal processes creating all phenomena within the universe….”
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I guess this is the kind of idiocy people could get away with, back in a time when information traveled at the speed of a horse and buggy.
Today he may be revered by countless idiots living in the bubble of his creation, but if Hegel tried to present his ideas today, he would be laughed out of the room.
He’s a goof, of unfortunately historical proportion.
Like a clown with one of the biggest pairs of shoes at the clown history museum.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

You’re right, it’s just downright weird.
The only thing I can think of is that they genuinely believe that what they are doing will have a positive (from their point of view) effect. We already know they are socialists and don’t have a proper understanding of cause and effect.
If you believed that drinking motor oil will make you both sexually potent and irresistible to women as good looking as Melania Trump, even if for some reason you decide to restrain yourself (say due to concerns of marital fidelity) it would still be relatively easy to get you to drink that motor oil, especially if I arranged for someone you detested to call you an limp-wienered, uncharismatic toad who couldn’t get laid in a whorehouse.

scott467

That might work on some, blackmail and bribery (coercion) for others, but it’s the uniformity, the absolute comprehensive iron-fist control, nobody ever cracking or wandering off the reservation, that seems so inexplicable.
Like a program in the Matrix that forgot to take human nature into consideration.
There is something I have observed many times in discussions with some religious people that reminds me of what we’re talking about. They can be rational, coherent, intellectually consistent, etc., on a whole range of subjects, but when the discussion turns to religion, very suddenly logic and reason are out the window, everything becomes dogmatic and unquestionable, like talking to a child about Santa Claus.
If you go back to a non-religious subject, they’re rational again. If you go back and forth between religious discussion and other subjects, it’s almost like a switch they turn on and off. Reason and logic is never allowed to intrude on the dogma. And yes, that degree of compartmentalization is kind of creepy, like you’re dealing with someone who is not entirely there. And yet they are. They are, and they aren’t.
It’s like a form of denial, the ‘front’ has to be maintained, because if they concede any detail that touches a dogma, it’s like a ‘third rail’. They are instinctively aware of it, that the entire intellectual Jenga Tower could collapse if they ‘go there’, so they don’t. They won’t.
They will play the ‘game’ with you, but they simply will not ‘go there’ when you try, they just smile and/or change the subject. They know, and they know you know they know. They’re not at all stupid, and they’re not unaware. It’s like a psychological defense mechanism kicks in, a coping mechanism, where the mind shuts down when it’s cornered. And you can corner them. It’s not difficult to do, if their belief is based on dogma, because dogma doesn’t reconcile — and dogma doesn’t care if it doesn’t reconcile.
It functions like an intellectual Stop sign or yellow ‘crime’ tape, i.e., “there shall be no further inquiry tolerated or allowed on this matter”.
Which of course is very Orwellian, and it’s impossible that they don’t know that, too.
The nature of dogma is a departure from the normal rules of reality, the abandonment of logic and reason, so it can’t be understood (or defended) intellectually, it just has to be ‘accepted’, which (I think) is a very alien thing for most people. So it is a very interesting and curious thing for an ‘outsider’ to encounter.
Because from a rational standpoint there is every indication that the person is being intellectually dishonest, but often their body language (or other cues) is not consistent with deception. It sort of reminds me of Bladerunner, when Harrison Ford interviews the replicant played by Sean Young, and he realizes that she doesn’t know she is a replicant.
SD said something similar that reminded me of this the other day, but I wasn’t able to find it.

scott467

“Like a program in the Matrix that forgot to take human nature into consideration.”
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Except that curious absence of ‘human nature’ it’s not an oversight or a mistake in the program, it’s a feature.
If that ‘feature’ wasn’t there, the program wouldn’t work, because the participants would ask basic questions for which there are no good answers.
They don’t ever ask those questions, or so it appears.
We do ask those kinds of questions, all the time, and we notice that they don’t.
But they don’t appear to notice that they don’t.
Which makes them seem like automatons, to those who do ask such questions.
It’s as if there is a spark of life, or consciousness, that is missing in them.

Coldeadhands

Good exploration. I hope you revisit this conundrum from time to time…it begs attention.

Teagan

Yes! (Replying to Scott)

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Interesting that you should say that about discussing religion.
Because from my standpoint I see it ANY time I discuss religion with ANY religious person. Yes, that includes you as well. So I generally DON’T. Nothing can be gained from it but a lot of frustration and even sometimes anger.
(And I have NO doubt that the overwhelming majority of believers think the same of atheists. I know this because I’ve read enough rants about how stupid and clueless atheists are, a fine tradition dating at least as far back as Psalm 14, which starts off with an ad-hom against atheists, calling us “fools.” You can hopefully imagine my thought bubble when a Christian quotes Psalm 14 at me as if it were a logical argument, then wonders why I believe he has done nothing more intellectually serious than insulting me.)
Anyhow, to the current topic, believe me this weird behavior is a phenomenon atheists/agnostics are used to seeing. We call it “compartmentalizing.” A person who is rational enough to be able to use his mind to earn money to put food on the table nevertheless changes mode and then goes off and believes–and acts on–a ton of very specific things that appear to us to have no basis whatsoever in reality, or even be totally *counter* to reality in many cases.
That doesn’t make the behavior any less puzzling, it’s just that I see it a LOT more often than you do, including in people on “my side” politically. I just ignore it and move on, generally, and I’ll explain why in a bit. But you actually DID bring it up in a religious context and the irony was overwhelming to me. (And you’re probably feeling the same sense of pot-calling-the-kettle-black irony, hearing an atheist accuse the religious of it right now. I’m aware of it as only someone of non-Christian beliefs in a country with lots of vocal Christians can be, so you can save your fingers some typing fatigue if you want.)
And yes, I do recall in the past having seen you go off on people for some aspect of their beliefs you believe has no scriptural merit. So I can well believe that you have this frustration with many other Christians.
As for why I ignore it and move on, I learned a long time ago when dealing with an old college friend of mine who had converted TO Christianity, that it all comes down to paradigms. His example was that a fishtank on the table is to some people just a cool thing to look at, and to others its a carefully balanced artificial environment (especially when it’s saltwater fish) controlling temperature, oxygen content, salinity, other chemicals in the water, etc., etc. Not the best example but I could see where he was going with it.
In regards to the far left, “racism” being beneath everything is not a *conclusion* they reach, it’s their starting *assumption.* They’ve spent years looking at the world and integrating *everything* they have seen into that framework. If a guy at a convenience store is a bit less than mister all-smiles at 3AM, you figure he probably just didn’t get enough caffeine and he’s a bit sleepy and tired. The black who has been raised to believe there is a lot of racism in society will assume the clerk is being the way he is because the clerk doesn’t like blacks. Everything he sees can be taken as a confirmation of his belief–or at least not a contradiction to it. But it’s a belief you and I find batshit crazy. How can Donald Trump be thought of as a racist? But in their view, he’s assumed to be racist and absolutely everything he does, INCLUDING the things we point to as evidence he is not, can be interpreted in such a way as to support that core belief.
If you’ve ever heard that phrase “you and I aren’t watching the same movie” (which someone used to me a couple of weeks ago), that’s the sort of thing they’re talking about. A couple of years back someone used that as an analogy.
I once talked to someone who had read Atlas Shrugged…but insisted on regarding John Galt as the bad guy. (!!!!) He was able to cite enough things from the book to convince me that he had read it, but Holy Shit he had got it totally wrong!!! And I’ve run into a fair number of Christians who have read Atlas Shrugged–and interpreted it in their framework as an End Times story, not Ayn Rand’s framework which has no such concept in it at all. They couldn’t help but do that, they’re thoroughly locked into their paradigm and can’t even drop it long enough to read a work of fiction and imagine that what it is trying to say has nothing to do with it. Even being able to do that is not the same as agreeing with it…but they can’t do it at all. So how do you talk to someone who cannot even imagine for a piece of fiction “what if” this thing they believe just wasn’t part of the world?
I sweat bullets, constantly, wondering if all the stuff I see here on this site is *completely wrong* and I’ve fallen prey to just hearing the stuff I *want* to hear. What if there IS no process in motion that will result in the bad guys getting their comeuppance? Hell, I’ve even entertained the possibility that Trump is a black hat, whose job it is to just jerk us off for four years. But some people just CAN’T do that. They can’t even see that it might make perfect sense to others. And hence the “how could they be so totally delusional yet act normal?” I have Trump-supporting relatives who have NO IDEA what Q is. We would look nuts to them, AND I CAN ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND THAT. Because I see this phenomenon operating on people I can agree with, but not on everything, and people who seem to be bat shit crazy top to bottom. And I can expect they will look at me and see exactly what I see when I look at them. In the most extreme cases: How can they be so delusional yet have the ability to wipe their asses effectively?
A paradigm shift is the hardest thing to effect. This has been noted by science historians, who have studied the history of MANY paradigm shifts in science–you’d think those scientists would know better yet it plays out ever time; it takes decades to truly change the community’s mind when something comes up–after that, it’s “of course.”

TheseTruths

I’m late in reading this and just wanted to say a few things. First, I respect your posts and opinions. I know some people who do not understand why Christians believe what they do, and, as much as possible, as a Christian, I empathize with that.
I abhor the abominable behavior of some Christians that turns off so many people, including me. Any Christian who quotes Scripture to you — hits you over the head with the Bible — in an effort to prove you wrong, without realizing how ineffective and insulting that is, is not exhibiting Christian compassion and empathy. Alas, we are all flawed, and being loving to one another is difficult and requires discipline, restraint, and humility.
For Christians, it comes down to faith, which probably seems illogical to nonbelievers. I understand that. Some people can be very logical in their work, decisions, and everyday life, yet accept things on faith that seem impossible, and contrary to logical sense. Faith and Christianity go hand in hand.
My purpose is not to get into a discussion about religion. (There is no need unless someone wants that. We are all free to make our own decisions. As a Christian, I believe that the freedom to accept God or reject him actually comes from him, just as he gives us freedom to make our own decisions in other areas.) I just wanted to say that I accept many things on faith that some would think do not make sense. But Christians’ duty and responsibility is to manifest the love of God to others, to love our neighbors as ourselves — which is the most difficult thing to accomplish and requires vigilance, self-awareness, humility, sacrifice, and repentance (to use a term of jargon).
You are correct that paradigm shifts are extremely difficult. Preaching to (or at) people is not usually effective unless they showed up for that. I think that’s why Q says people have to be shown things, not just told.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

A hundred likes (except I’m not a democrat and can only vote once).
You show more self awareness than many (including many atheists) and were more people like you, there’d be a lot less unpleasantness in civil society.

TheseTruths

I’m touched by your kind comments, and they provide a standard to try to live up to. It’s too bad that “vote early, vote often” is against our principles and only applies to Democrats! 😉

scott467

Steve — replying to your post below here, so there’s more width to the writing space.
“Interesting that you should say that about discussing religion.”
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Yes, the irony was not lost on me 😁
I was certain you would notice.
I was counting on it 👍
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“Because from my standpoint I see it ANY time I discuss religion with ANY religious person. Yes, that includes you as well. So I generally DON’T. Nothing can be gained from it but a lot of frustration and even sometimes anger.”
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I know exactly what you mean, but there is a difference, and it’s definable. (and I will explain it below)
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“(And I have NO doubt that the overwhelming majority of believers think the same of atheists. I know this because I’ve read enough rants about how stupid and clueless atheists are, a fine tradition dating at least as far back as Psalm 14, which starts off with an ad-hom against atheists, calling us “fools.” You can hopefully imagine my thought bubble when a Christian quotes Psalm 14 at me as if it were a logical argument, then wonders why I believe he has done nothing more intellectually serious than insulting me.)”
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One of the great frustrations is the lack of unity in what is referred to as the ‘universal church’ or the body of all believers. The lack of unity is because many groups or denominations or churches follow the Bible plus.
The “PLUS” being some work(s) of men (sometimes LOTS of men), and each group has their own additions to God’s Word that are different from everyone else’s.
For example, the Methodists have the Bible plus the Book of Discipline. Baptists have the Bible plus the Standard Baptist Manual. Presbyterians have the Bible plus “The Book of Order” and “The Book of Confessions”. Roman Catholics have Aquinas’ “Summa Theologica” and lots of other books of men.
Every book or doctrine or tradition of man (as related to matters of God), no matter how well intended, becomes a source of division, because it is unique to the group that created it.
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“Anyhow, to the current topic, believe me this weird behavior is a phenomenon atheists/agnostics are used to seeing. We call it “compartmentalizing.” A person who is rational enough to be able to use his mind to earn money to put food on the table nevertheless changes mode and then goes off and believes–and acts on–a ton of very specific things that appear to us to have no basis whatsoever in reality, or even be totally *counter* to reality in many cases.”
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And every time that happens, I suspect many atheists fall into the same trap of thinking all Christians are more or less the same, when that is no more true than Christians thinking all atheists are the same.
But we both recognize the same phenomenon, this ‘compartmentalization’, which is a good common ground for understanding.
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“That doesn’t make the behavior any less puzzling, it’s just that I see it a LOT more often than you do, including in people on “my side” politically.”
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I see it in the majority of people who self-identify as Christians, to a greater or lesser degree, because the majority of groups who self-identify as Christian follow the Bible Plus, and whatever that “Plus” happens to be, it’s unique to their specific group. And being written by men, by definition it will contain teachings which cannot be reconciled and harmonized with God’s Word.
So if you have a discussion with them that goes on long enough, you will get to one of those contradictions, and when you do, you will usually encounter the “phenomenon”, because their mind knows that:
1) two things which contradict each other cannot both be true
2) the Bible is a higher authority than any book written by men (in theory, if not in practice)
3) if they acknowledge that their group-specific doctrine is contradicted by the Bible — by God — that is a critical flaw in the foundation of their worldview.
Which of those things can be violated or ignored?
They can’t deny #1, and they can’t deny #2, and if they acknowledge that something their group believes contradicts #2, then either God is wrong or their doctrine is wrong.
Since God cannot be wrong, their doctrine must be wrong.
If their doctrine is wrong, and that doctrine is interconnected with other doctrines (they always are), then the whole paradigm begins to splinter and disintegrate.
Depending on how heavily one is invested in their group, this could be catastrophic to their worldview. The solution is to abandon the doctrines, commandments and traditions of men and adhere to God’s Word, but if you can’t convince the leadership of the group to repent and return to God’s Word (and the bigger the group, the more impossible that becomes), then leaving that group is a likely eventuality.
And beyond religious conviction, that group often includes family and longtime friends, so the idea of leaving is rarely easy or desirable.
When no good option is available, that is when the ‘phenomenon’ manifests.
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“I just ignore it and move on, generally, and I’ll explain why in a bit. But you actually DID bring it up in a religious context and the irony was overwhelming to me.”
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As I said at the beginning, I knew you would see it, and I was counting on you to bring it up 😁
I was extremely aware of it as I wrote it.
And awareness didn’t change what I had to say even the tiniest bit — because I have no fear of being in the position where the ‘phenomenon’ would manifest itself in me.
Not because I’m better, or smarter, or anything like that. I’m not.
It’s because I am not beholden to any doctrines, commandments or traditions of men, only to God’s Word, and God’s Word has withstood the harshest critical examinations and attacks for thousands of years, so I am not concerned that the Scriptures will be broken this evening.
I think I’m pretty safe in that assessment.
I don’t have any beliefs (that I am aware of) that contradict God’s Word. That’s probably true for most people who self-identify as Christian.
What happens if one discovers something he or she believes or has been taught does contradict God’s Word?
If I find out something I believe does contradict God’s Word, I can drop it like a hot potato and be grateful for the correction. It’s not likely to happen, but if it did, it would really be unlikely to be connected to anything else, so there is no risk of a ‘domino effect’, because every belief or doctrine comes from God’s Word, it is not contingent or based upon some other belief or doctrine, which in turn is based on some other belief or doctrine, and so on.
But for the sake of argument, suppose that somehow it did cause a domino effect, which caused one’s entire belief system to collapse. Is it better to know the truth, or to remain in a state of untruth?
Truth is more important. If what I believe turns out to not actually be true, then what am I doing it for? The reason I became a Christian is because I was convinced it was true. If something occurs that convinces me otherwise, then what am I going to hang around for, the coffee and donuts?
It’s ‘truth or bust’.
Because truth matters. Whatever the truth turns out to be, that’s the side I want to be on. The Scripture makes the affirmative claim that God is true (John 3:33, 2 Cor 1:18) and His word is truth (cf. John 17:17). If that is
not true, I want to know.
That’s pretty much the opposite of denial.
It’s pretty much impossible for the ‘phenomenon’ to manifest, if truth is your objective, regardless of the personal cost.
If my understanding is wrong, show me. I may not be happy about it, but I won’t hide from it.
It took an open heart and an open mind to find what I believe to be the truth about God. If I don’t still have that open mind (and heart) to consider views or challenges to what I believe is true, then my mind (and heart) are no longer in the right place to begin with.
There has to be truth, even if the truth isn’t what I want to hear — and usually isn’t.
Without truth, or being convinced that you are on the side of truth, what is there?
Between a harsh truth and a pleasant lie, the harsh truth is the better of the two, because it is real. A lie, no matter how pleasant, is still a deception. Deceiving oneself is to cheat oneself. Granted, cheating oneself of a miserable existence is not without its allure 😂 But hopefully a miserable existence isn’t the only option.
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“(And you’re probably feeling the same sense of pot-calling-the-kettle-black irony, hearing an atheist accuse the religious of it right now.”
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Nope, I’m pretty sure I understand very well where you’re coming from on this point, and I can relate to it very well. I anticipated this very discussion.
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“I’m aware of it as only someone of non-Christian beliefs in a country with lots of vocal Christians can be, so you can save your fingers some typing fatigue if you want.)”
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I see religious error everywhere, because it is so ubiquitous. Think about it. The New Testament was completed in the 1st century. From the moment the last word was penned, men have been trying to add to it, subtract from it, restate it, bend it to match the changing times, and on and on and on.
In nearly two thousand years, the volume of words written by men about God’s Word positively dwarfs, by orders of magnitude, the comparatively brief Word of God.
So to see God’s Word not only as the highest Authority in matters of God, but as the only Authority in matters of God, is the unusual thing, not the normal thing.
And by acknowledging only the Authority of God’s Word and no other, I am regularly in conflict with the beliefs of others who self-identify as Christian. Not always here though. Certainly somewhat, but I have noticed that there may be at least several people who participate here who are members of the same church as I am, and appear to believe as I do, that God’s Word is the only Authority (not just the highest Authority) in matters having to do with God.
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“And yes, I do recall in the past having seen you go off on people for some aspect of their beliefs you believe has no scriptural merit. So I can well believe that you have this frustration with many other Christians.”
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Yes, but it is not out of hostility toward anyone, it is as you say, out of frustration. It is very similar to the frustration I experience trying to discuss 17 or the many related subjects we commonly discuss here, with friends or family, or in some cases with church members.
There is an information war, and people are getting their information from different sources, and some of those sources are better than others. Those who get the majority of their information from TV and FB (for example), though they may ‘know’ the news is ‘biased’, and hear DJT openly call it ‘fake news’ all the time, they don’t have any idea just how corrupt the MSM really is, or the effect is has on them subconsciously, if their habit or comfort zone limits them primarily to TV and FB.
We are on the same side, we are in much agreement on the big picture.
But breaking through the wall of disinformation in the political domain is no less difficult in the religious domain.
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“As for why I ignore it and move on, I learned a long time ago when dealing with an old college friend of mine who had converted TO Christianity, that it all comes down to paradigms. His example was that a fishtank on the table is to some people just a cool thing to look at, and to others its a carefully balanced artificial environment (especially when it’s saltwater fish) controlling temperature, oxygen content, salinity, other chemicals in the water, etc., etc. Not the best example but I could see where he was going with it.”
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One of the problems is that there are hundreds of different groups, denominations, churches, etc., who self-identify as Christian, but all believing different things, which can be overwhelming to any outsider who may be interested in finding the truth about God.
It was for me. If I hadn’t made a kind of game out of it, I would have given up looking for sure.
I followed the same process that I would apply to learning about anything else.
First I needed to familiarize myself with the subject matter, which meant getting the owner’s manual (the Bible). I knew there were at least several translations, so first I had to research which translation would be best.
I found that there are lots of “KJV only” people, and some of their reasons seemed good, and some not so good. There are also many people who appreciate the KJV, or at least had nothing much against it, but prefer some other translation for various reasons, and some of those reasons seemed good, and some did not.
Overall, while realizing no translation will be perfect, the KJV seemed to be the most conservative choice. There were several choices that seemed good, but I leaned toward older translations (KJV and ASV) because of concerns about political correctness finding its way into more modern translations. Some people prefer other translations, but almost nobody thought the KJV was a bad translation.
So I obtained a KJV Bible, and I read it.
I also spent time reading arguments for evidence of God, for evidence that the Bible is true and accurate, etc. Archeological discoveries that keep proving Biblical accounts, and not yet once contradicting them. Arguments about the odds of successfully predicting future events (prophecy) and having such a prophecy come true.
Understanding how the 66 books of the Bible reconcile with each other, forwards and backwards, even though the books were written over a span of some 1,600 years, by at least 40 different writers (the writer of ‘Hebrews’ may have been Paul, but it is uncertain), of wildly varying backgrounds (from kings to fishermen), education levels, etc., and yet it all harmonizes. There was (to me) a surprising amount of well presented evidence and arguments for the truth of God and His Word, which I had simply never looked into before.
And the extra-Biblical references to Jesus in historically important documents were fascinating. There are not many (Josephus and Tacitus being two of the better known and documented, out of maybe 6 or 7 if I remember correctly), but imagine the chances that His name and any events associated with His life would be recorded by anyone (outside the Bible manuscripts) at all, much less by actual ancient historians.
The historicity of Jesus does not seem to be credibly disputed. For a long time the historical reality of Pilate was ridiculed, until coins bearing his name and then (in 1959, I think) the “Pilate Stone” was discovered, in Caesarea Maritima, a dedication stone naming Tiberius Caesar (confirming the time, because the the time of Tiberius’ rule is known) and Pontius Pilate, the prefect of Judea.
As evidence of ancient events or people goes, it doesn’t get much better.
https://www.bible-history.com/empires/pilate.html
https://www.deseret.com/2018/5/3/20644446/the-pilate-stone-in-israel-s-caesarea-by-the-sea#a-stone-with-a-latin-dedicatory-inscription-of-pontius-pilate-was-part-of-an-exhibit-of-holy-land-artifacts-at-emory-universitys-michael-c-carlos-museum-in-atlanta-in-june-2007-ap-photo-john-bazemore
No one credibly disputes the historical reality of Pontius Pilate anymore. There are many such examples. Archeology keeps uncovering evidence which proves the skeptics wrong.
The volume of surviving Biblical manuscripts (and often, fragments thereof) dwarfs the number of surviving copies of other historical works, over 20,000 if I remember correctly, and at least one or a few of those fragments of the New Testament date to the first century, which is incredible. Some of the other surviving notable historical documents are limited to one or two copies, and may have been copied 900 years (or more) after the original was written.
The more you dig, the more you find, and the more it starts to add up. Like putting together pieces of a puzzle, and the more pieces you fill in, the clearer the picture becomes. It’s not unlike 17 in that regard, in the sense that how much evidence does it take, and how many coincidences does it take, before you begin to realize they can’t be coincidences?
The answer will be different for every individual, but there was a lot more evidence and good arguments ‘out there’ than I suspected.
It can creep up on you, and then, whether suddenly or over a period of time, you begin to ‘see it’, in a similar way that all of our eyes have been ‘opened’ to all sorts of things over the past 4 years with regard to politics. Things which we might not have believed or even considered before DJT became president.
Once I was on that path, read the Bible, and was satisfied that there was more to all of it than a cartoon living in the sky, I wanted to find out if anyone really did what the people in the Bible do, i.e., follow God’s Word as it is written, today.
And that is where it became difficult.
Everybody teaches different things. So I began checking church websites, going to their “About Us” or “Statement of Faith” page, and comparing (as best I could) what they said about themselves to what I had learned by reading the Bible straight through. It may sound like a difficult thing, but it really wasn’t. You don’t have to be an expert to notice things that weren’t in a book you just read.
It’s a lot easier to recognize something you did NOT read in the Bible when you see it on some church webpage, than it is to recall everything that is IN the Bible, especially if you have only read it once.
And you get better at it, the more you do it. I got to the point where I could spot error (something not taught in the Bible) on a church website in about 30 seconds, and once I saw it, I closed out of that website, and went to the next one.
Do that for at least an hour a day, for 6 or 7 months, and you’ll go through a lot of websites, and you’ll get a very interesting overview and perspective on the volume (and the variety) of error being taught.
Having approached it from that angle, maybe it becomes more clear why I am so “sensitive” to religious error, defined as beliefs or practices which are not found in Scripture. I spent a lot of time looking, and I became pretty good at spotting it.
It turned into a game. It was amusing to see how fast I could spot some obvious error. You don’t have to be an expert in what is right, you just have to recognize something that wasn’t “in there” (in God’s Word) when you see it. That’s very easy, anyone can do that. Read any book, or watch any movie, and then go read reviews about it. If someone mentioned a character, or a scene, or anything at all that you didn’t read or see in the movie, it’s going to jump out at you.
That never happens in movie or book reviews, because people would call them out immediately. The feedback would be instantaneous (and probably hilarious).
But it happens all the time in ‘religion’!
That’s the norm.
Eventually I stumbled across a Bible study website, and I couldn’t find anything they were saying that jumped out at me as not being in the Bible. Not only that, but everything they did teach was extensively documented with book, chapter and verse, and they encouraged everyone to always look the references up in the Bible and see for themselves.
I spent a lot of time investigating that website, and learned a lot in the process. A month or so later I stumbled across another Bible study website that was incredibly extensive and thoroughly documented with Scripture references (one that Wolfmoon happened to independently reference here a while back, and I recognized it immediately).
It was not until some time later, after I was baptized, that I found out both websites (one in Canada, the other in Illinois) were managed and run by members of independent and autonomous congregations of the same church. A church organized according to Scriptural example, not a denomination, no umbrella governing body of men overseeing the congregations, but each congregation in fellowship with other faithful congregations, with each congregation under the Authority of God’s Word.
Like the congregations in Corinth, and Ephesus, and Thessalonica, and Laodicea, and Galatia, etc. There was no “president” or board of directors or other governing body having oversight authority over those congregations. They were independent and autonomous, and in fellowship with other people of like faith and belief.
They teach what the Bible plainly says, and they practice according to the authoritative examples and commands given in Scripture. No more and no less.
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“If you’ve ever heard that phrase “you and I aren’t watching the same movie” (which someone used to me a couple of weeks ago), that’s the sort of thing they’re talking about. A couple of years back someone used that as an analogy.”
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I always get the sense that you think very rationally, or maybe that’s just my own bias because I recognize similarities to my own ways of thinking. Either way, I seem to relate very well to the way you approach things, generally.
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“I once talked to someone who had read Atlas Shrugged…but insisted on regarding John Galt as the bad guy. (!!!!) He was able to cite enough things from the book to convince me that he had read it, but Holy Shit he had got it totally wrong!!! And I’ve run into a fair number of Christians who have read Atlas Shrugged–and interpreted it in their framework as an End Times story, not Ayn Rand’s framework which has no such concept in it at all. They couldn’t help but do that, they’re thoroughly locked into their paradigm and can’t even drop it long enough to read a work of fiction and imagine that what it is trying to say has nothing to do with it. Even being able to do that is not the same as agreeing with it…but they can’t do it at all. So how do you talk to someone who cannot even imagine for a piece of fiction “what if” this thing they believe just wasn’t part of the world?”
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I liked The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged very much. I read them both when I was in college, some 12 years or so before I became a Christian. I identified very easily with both books, in the sense that I already agreed with many of the concepts, but those books helped me to better define and organize and focus on them (and defend them) much more clearly.
I never understood Ayn Rand’s opposition to God though. Her core concepts with regard to self-determination and self-reliance and capitalism are not in conflict with Christianity. I’m not even sure how she arrived at a lot of her ways of thinking without being informed by Christianity.
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“I sweat bullets, constantly, wondering if all the stuff I see here on this site is *completely wrong* and I’ve fallen prey to just hearing the stuff I *want* to hear. What if there IS no process in motion that will result in the bad guys getting their comeuppance? Hell, I’ve even entertained the possibility that Trump is a black hat, whose job it is to just jerk us off for four years.”
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I do the same thing 😂🤣😂
Not nearly so much anymore as I used to though. That’s not to say it couldn’t return with a vengeance between now and November 3rd… or the day after, depending on how things go.
I don’t think the stuff we discuss here is likely to be wrong, for the most part. Especially not completely wrong. I’m more concerned about whether or not the bad guys will ever be arrested and convicted. I have also considered whether Trump could be doing as you suggest, and I’ve mentioned it here before, but I can’t get very far along that line of thinking before I’m reminded of too many examples to the contrary.
Trump is one of the few people I’m pretty sure about.
I think it’s healthy to wonder about those things, to be aware, to question, to allow for the possibility that we might be wrong, whatever the subject. We all have blind spots, and questioning and thinking about the possibility of being wrong helps a great deal to minimize the impact of blind spots hearing what we want to hear.
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“But some people just CAN’T do that. They can’t even see that it might make perfect sense to others. And hence the “how could they be so totally delusional yet act normal?”
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With regard to religion particularly, in some ways I can relate to non-believers, because I did not grow up in a church-going family.
So I have that background, that life experience. I can relate to skepticism, because I was skeptical myself. When I see many of the arguments atheists make, I can understand where they’re coming from, I recognize many of their questions because I asked some of them myself, so I don’t generally assume that their arguments are in bad faith, or anything like that.
I never considered myself an atheist, but I didn’t have any real understanding about Christianity either. Christianity was part of the culture I grew up in, so from that standpoint I related positively to it in a general sense, but I didn’t think about it a lot one way or the other. I do remember being angry toward God a lot in my early teens. I was in a bad situation, and there wasn’t anything I could really do about it, so I was angry about a lot of things. God seemed like the only one who could know what was going on, and He didn’t do anything about it — at least nothing I was aware of — and that made me angry too.
It’s hard to be angry at someone you don’t believe in, so there’s that.
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“I have Trump-supporting relatives who have NO IDEA what Q is. We would look nuts to them, AND I CAN ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND THAT.”
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Yep, me too.
Where do you begin, how do you begin that discussion, without the other person having at least some basic exposure to it first? If it’s someone you’re reasonably close to, you can send them articles and links and gauge their response and build on that, or just say “check this out” and send them a link to the Q-map and then see what they say.
It’s not so much a problem to handle a newbie’s questions, the problem is getting them to look at the information at all. If they’ll do that, I can take it from there, but trying to explain it without having them at least see it for themselves is a hard way to go.
You can give a very general explanation, but they’re likely to think you’re nuts until they get their own sense of it, by seeing it first hand. Once they have done that, there is a context or framework in which you can answer questions and explain things.
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“Because I see this phenomenon operating on people I can agree with, but not on everything, and people who seem to be bat shit crazy top to bottom.”
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I get the sense that it’s completely psychological, that it’s part of the human condition, at least in the way people construct their worldviews and invest in them and defend them, even when it no longer makes sense to do so. And in a way, that scares the *&^% out of me.
Because that’s a powerful thing, and everyone is vulnerable to it, and there are people who will absolutely exploit it (and us) because of it.
And it ‘scares’ me because that could be me. Why am I different. I realize you don’t think I am, that the phenomenon we’re referencing, the ‘compartmentalization’ which you found ironic coming from me — which I anticipated — you also associate me with it, because you lump me in with all believers.
I understand that.
But what question about my beliefs am I unwilling to address? Where do I ‘freeze’, or smile and change the subject? When do I ever say (or imply) “there shall be no further inquiry tolerated or allowed on this matter”? Where have I been intellectually cornered? What is my dogma?
There is a simple difference, an advantage that I have, over any person who utilizes extra-Biblical writings or traditions, doctrines and commandments of men, in association with their beliefs.
In one sense it is difficult, but on the other hand, I have the much easier argument.
And the difference is this. My only source of Authority in matters having to do with God is God’s Word, all I have to do is stand on His Word, and if I handle His word correctly, it will do all the heavy lifting. In other words, if someone has a disagreement, it is not with me, I am nobody. Their disagreement is with God’s Word, and I have never once seen anyone defeat God’s Word. People have been trying for thousands of years, so I’m not worried it will happen tonight.
But the words of men are a different matter. Doctrines, traditions, commandments of men are guaranteed to conflict with God’s Word, in some way, and once that way is discovered and pointed out, the person adhering to that doctrine or tradition of men has a dilemma, one which I do not have.
If God’s Word says one thing, and their extra-Biblical doctrine says different, they are in a conflict with God (not with me). I’m just pointing it out. They may want to attack me, as messengers frequently are attacked, but I will keep redirecting back to God’s Word, because that’s who their argument is with. They don’t want the argument framed that way of course, because they know they can’t win an argument with God’s Word, and that’s exactly where I will keep going, for exactly that reason. Because I know they can’t defeat it, and I know they know it too.
Why am I not subject to this same dilemma?
I would be, if I held any doctrines, commandments or traditions of men.
Very intentionally, I don’t. At least not that I am aware of. But if one is brought to my attention, or if I am in error in some other way that reconciles with all other scripture on the subject (and explains how my prior belief was wrong), I will not cling to it or defend the error, I will discard it. I don’t want anything to do with it, if it is not true according to God’s Word.
Error is an issue that is taken very seriously in the church where I am a member. Not just the congregation where I attend, it’s not a local issue, but across all congregations.
I don’t have anything invested in anything that is not true according to God’s Word. That is my advantage. If I ‘stand’ on God’s Word, I know that God’s Word cannot be defeated. If I am accidentally standing on something else besides God’s Word, I want to get off it as quickly as possible, and back to standing on the solid rock of God’s Word, which (as far as I can tell) is undefeatable.
As long as your stand, your case, is made on God’s Word, you can never be intellectually ‘cornered’. You can only be cornered if you hold some position which contradicts God’s Word, because then you are in a conflict which you cannot win.
You’re cornered.
Remaining in conflict with God, once you are aware of it, is untenable.
And if you concede that God’s Word is right and your tradition or doctrine of men is wrong, then what else have you believed or practiced that is wrong… and who is it that has taught you this error… and what are the implications of that… but the bigger issue is how most doctrines and traditions of men do not exist in isolation, they are intertwined with many other doctrines and beliefs, so if you pull on one string, the whole ball of yarn starts unraveling. Jenga Tower implosion. Worldview collapse. Potentially a lifetime investment in a belief system that is falling apart under your feet.
What are you going to do?
You can abandon ship and jump on God’s Word like the life raft that it is. That’s the best move, but very few people will do it, at least not in the moment of the discussion. Hopefully they will come to that conclusion sometime not long after, when they can do so on their own terms.
Or you can double down, and go down with the ship. You can say (for example) I don’t know about God or His Word, but I know my doctrine and my traditions, and it was my Ma and Pa’s doctrine and traditions, and their Ma and Pa’s before them, and I ain’t about to leave it.
Or you can do what many people will do, just smile and change the subject, because you’re cornered 🙂
That is the phenomenon manifesting itself.
The person who is able to reject or abandon any doctrine or tradition that conflicts with God’s Word cannot be put into a conflicting position with God and His Word, therefore that person cannot be ‘cornered’.
That person is immune from the ‘phenomenon’.
I do believe in God, and the Scriptures, but there are plenty of rational reasons for both. I cannot prove them beyond any doubt, but I can’t prove 17 beyond any doubt either. There is a lot more evidence for God and the Scriptures than there is for Q. But like Q, explaining about God and the Scriptures is not something one can do in a soundbite or even in a forum like this one very well, at least not without all parties having been exposed to enough information to have a common frame of reference.
It is possible for two people to examine the same evidence or arguments and reach different conclusions, neither of which can be proved or disproved beyond any doubt. I think God (and the Scriptures) can be proved beyond a reasonable doubt, but that would require a fair amount of preparation, and a preliminary discussion to find out where the other person is, what their level of knowledge and understanding is, where they’re ‘coming from’, in order to pick up at that point and present a case.
And even then, I risk running into the same phenomenon with an atheist as I would with some religious people. What if I presented a case that was compelling enough to raise serious doubt in your mind with regard to your own position, i.e., that God may be real, and the Scriptures may be true?
Could that not cause a similar cognitive dissonance, a similar threat to worldview or paradigm, as discussed above?
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“A paradigm shift is the hardest thing to effect. This has been noted by science historians, who have studied the history of MANY paradigm shifts in science–you’d think those scientists would know better yet it plays out ever time; it takes decades to truly change the community’s mind when something comes up–after that, it’s “of course.” ”
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Yes, one would think they would know better, they can certainly cite specific historical examples, and yet they are caught in the same trap as everyone before them, because they either can’t see it when it applies to themselves, or they do see it, but for various reasons, can’t do anything about it.
But once the ‘new thing’ is accepted by their peers, then naturally, it’s ‘of course’. No different than high school peer pressure. It’s true for doctors, for scientists, for lawyers, for business leaders. Because it’s true for human beings, for the most part.
And there are lots of reasons why the well established and the most successful in society are compelled to conform to accepted legal dogma, or scientific dogma, or medical dogma, while the average person, who may not have a reputation or high visibility career to protect, has much more freedom and lattitude to exercise independent thought.
A paradox, of sorts.
The people who should know better don’t (or can’t do anything about it), while the common man can (and sometimes does).

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Yes, one would think they would know better, they can certainly cite specific historical examples, and yet they are caught in the same trap as everyone before them, because they either can’t see it when it applies to themselves, or they do see it, but for various reasons, can’t do anything about it.
But once the ‘new thing’ is accepted by their peers, then naturally, it’s ‘of course’. No different than high school peer pressure. It’s true for doctors, for scientists, for lawyers, for business leaders. Because it’s true for human beings, for the most part.

I suspect you had climate change in mind when you wrote this, and so I’ll say I was actually thinking of something different, things like the long-ago resistance to the atomic theory of matter, heliocentrism, and so on (though in the case of heliocentrism much of the resistance was not scientists). There was also a fat-dumb-and-happy stage in physics ending in 1895, where they figured they pretty much understood everything at that level, though there were a few minor issues they hadn’t quite nailed down. Those few minor issues turned out, of course, to all be due to quantum effects and relativity, which finally ended up overturning most of what we thought we knew about physics. Sometimes the old guard just has to die off.
But there are many, many instances of scientists changing their minds–and *thanking* the person who caused them to do it.
(Richard Dawkins tells one such story, which I am typing from memory so I am sure I am getting details wrong. Anyhow it’s about a biologist who presented some kind of paper, and immediately afterwards, this old guy in the back of the room stood up, and the room went dead silent. This was the man who had argued *against* the position the paper-presenter had just supplied more evidence for, and he had argued against it for twenty years. People were expecting fireworks now.
They got something entirely different. The old man walked up to the front, and said “I want to thank you. Thank you, for I have been wrong these last twenty years.
Richard Dawkins says that everyone in the room damn near clapped until their hands were raw, because this was such a perfect example of exactly what a scientist should be.
But this story is from several decades ago, and I suspect that many, many branches of science have become corrupted by not just political correctness but the ethic behind it, that “social change” is more important than the truth. PC is just one manifestation of that.
As to the remainder of what you wrote, a huge portion of that can perhaps more profitably be addressed to your fellow Christians (and I’m fine with that, actually, it was illuminating reading), but you seem puzzled that I would imagine you to be compartmentalizing as well. You certainly make efforts to avoid the trap that many do not, which is very much a good thing, but any claim that the scripture is the Word of God, as opposed to those other writings, is a non-starter with me. To stick with the New Testament, No, the 66 books, which (by the way) were selected by human beings from a much longer list of potential scriptures, have been gone over by people who can read the original Greek, and there are loads of problems with them from that standpoint (including the near certainty that the pastoral epistles, which claim to be Pauline in authorship, are not). But even leaving such things aside, there are plenty of contradictions. Some of them *can* be got around with arguments that would be laughed out of court but are OK with many religionists (see, there’s that compartmentalization at work), but some of them simply cannot.
But there are a few cases where you can’t do that. The last time I brought this one up, the guy I was conversing with (on CTH–it was that long ago) simply gave a non-sequitur answer, and thereby evaded the point. Anyhow, here it is. As far as I know no one has been able to reconcile this.
Mark clearly indicates when Jesus was tried by Pilate (on a Friday). On the preceding day, 14:12 the disciples asked Jesus where he would have them prepare the Passover, and from that point forward, it’s plain that the Last Supper is the Passover meal. (Passover, like all days in Judaism, starts at sunset.) The subsequent events, the trial, the crucifixion (15:25) at 9 AM, are all on Passover. Thus, Passover was Thursday night/Friday daytime
John, on the other hand, indicates that Pilate’s VERDICT was on the day of preparation for Passover in 19:14–and remember that Mark had had Passover begin with the last supper! In fact, the reason the Jewish leaders would not enter Pilate’s palace during the trial (which is a detail only John mentions), is they didn’t want to ritually defile themselves before Passover. So every indication in John is that Jesus was crucified the day BEFORE Passover.
When I brought this up to someone on CTH who questioned my statement that the Bible contains inconsistencies, and asked him which day it was, he simply replied “Friday.” A total dodge of the point.
Read the Gospels (Matthew and Luke tend to agree with Mark, as is usually the case), and see if you can reconcile this; many have failed, so far as I know none have succeeded.
Man-made books, ALL of them, not just the “extra” books some sects add.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

And on another point, Ayn Rand: I am not sure if you are aware of this, but she wrote an extensive body of *non* fiction presenting her philosophy after Atlas Shrugged was published, and she does take up (to some extent) the issues you raise.

scott467

Steve, thanks very much for the replies. I haven’t heard that specific question before, so I will do some research on your question about Passover, and then click the ‘Like’ button to your post above when I have a reply 👍

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I probably won’t see a mere “like”. But I did see your original response so perhaps just reply to the same thing you did there.

wheatietoo

“If they’re not actually (clinically) insane, and they’re not faking it, then what is the explanation?
Group delusion?…”
____________________
Sort of a delusion…but more like Group Think.
Follow-the-Leader.
And their leaders are diabolical — and demand total obedience.
This is why the leftist newsies say the same thing.
You’ve seen the videos, I’m sure…that show news readers all saying the Soundbite of the Day.
They’re not journalists.
They’re not reporters.
They are propaganda nozzles.
They’re not paid to Think…they’re paid to Not Think…and just read the lines they are given.
They are ‘news actors’, playing the part of being reporters.

scott467

Yep, I agree, but how can they possibly be unaware of who and what they really are?
It’s like really, really taking the ‘blue pill’, and forgetting reality, and the basic rules that govern reality.

wheatietoo

That’s probably Why they stay in their own bubble, Scott.
It makes it easier for them to pretend that they don’t know the truth.
And also why Big Tech is so desperate to delete and censor the truth.
The Big Tech puppet masters don’t want their sheep to see the truth.

Brave and Free

I believe part of that equation is the $$ factor. You know darn well there paid very handsomely, and once you have that income and lifestyle it’s hard to give it up. Blackmail of sorts. I am sure there’s a lot of us here who have seen it in the workplace, I know I have, upper management continually towing the company line even when they don’t agree. Was told by a manager once that the SVP told her know we own you 24/7

Teagan

AND Congressmen, most especially the females.

Teagan

To elaborate…the group “ colors” (Democrat women showing up in white for the SOTU speech, can you get more middle-school), and the African scarves, the kneeling on the floor of the Capitol, marching around behind a gavel-wielding Pelosi….so very silly and juvenile and very group-thinking role playing.

nikkichico7

I think what you’re seeing is the result of depravity … a weapon of the Destroyer
…😞 …

Gail Combs

Actually it is the Hegelian/Marx philosophy which believes ‘Objective phenomena’ DOES NOT EXIST! I ran into this philosophy being taught in a week long LEADERSHIP SEMINAR of all things!
If they believe the only thing that is REAL “exists in the mind. Objective phenomena and events are of no consequence; only the conceptions of them possessed by human minds are real. Ideas, not objects, are the stuff of which the universe was made” THEN THERE IS ZERO COMMON GROUND and you CAN NOT DEBATE THEM.

The Philosophy Of Karl Marx
The philosophical bases of Marx’s thought were laid early and remained unchanged throughout his life. As a student, Marx accepted the philosophy of Hegel as the only sound and adequate explanation of the universe. According to this philosophy, “the only immutable thing is the abstraction of movement.” The one universal phenomenon is change, and the only universal form of this phenomenon is its complete abstraction. Thus, Hegel accepted as real only that which existed in the mind. Objective phenomena and events were of no consequence; only the conceptions of them possessed by human minds were real. Ideas, not objects, were the stuff of which the universe was made.
*https://web.archive.org/web/20081231193454/http://www.economictheories.org/2008/12/philosophy-of-karl-marx.html

nikkichico7

Maybe we can round the all up and adopt/relocate them out to the South Pole …

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

And what have YOU got against the intrepid Americans doing scientific research at Amundsen Scott base, that you would inflict these nutjobs on them? 😀
There are better places in Antarctica to send them, hundreds of miles from any base.

nikkichico7

Uhhhh .. 😞🤚 .. nothing I just thought a polar climate might slow/freeze the miserable suckers down, that’s all. You move a lot slower in those temperatures .. 🙂

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Indeed! 😀

nikkichico7

😎👍

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

All kidding aside, Antarctica is 30% bigger than Europe, much bigger than the United States.
Plenty of places to lose MILLIONS of people who the world would be better off losing.

nikkichico7

.. whew 😅👍 … that’s cool then .. 🥶🤚 I was worried for a bit there .. but yes deep freeze the miserable suckers, that’ll slow ‘em down .. 😎

cthulhu

As someday, it may happen, that a victim must be found —
I’ve got a little list; I’ve got a little list!
Of society’s offenders who might well be underground —
They never would be missed; they never would be missed!

nikkichico7

… 🧐👍 … 😉☺️🤚🇺🇸❤️🇺🇸 … awesome 😎

pgroup

“I could have been an actor but I wound up here.”
— Dirty Laundry, by Don Henley

Aubergine

It’s cult behavior.
In a cult, no deviation from the group is permitted, or you are “banned.” The left “cancels.”
All cults weed out the non-conformists pretty early on. You are chased out of the group.
The leftist cult training begins in Pre-K now.
It is no accident that two of my three kids DROPPED OUT of school. They are independent, conservative, fiercely rational people, with jobs and lives.
The third kid was the “compliant” one. I thought it was great, because he was the “easy one.” He went to college, and is now a raging Marxist liberal. He is in the cult, and it has broken my heart.
The cult is very large now. I think if someone studied Antifa, they would find that most of them are college educated. The independent, rational, questioning THINKERS got weeded out early on, and are now plumbers, electricians, mechanics or whatever, with families and responsibilities.
Just my opinion, of course.

Deplorable Patriot

Yes. School is “the box” that so many of us think outside.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

As Marshal Fritz, a long-time advocate of terminating ALL government schooling and ALL government funding of schooling, put it:
Public Education is the reproductive organ of the State.

Deplorable Patriot

Hence why some of us have parents who made the sacrifice to send us to private schools…although, in a way, a box in and of itself.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Yep.
Very, very few places will teach the sort of critical thinking that might let one escape The Box. And often they only teach it to those they trust not to leave The Box, the better to use that skill against people either not in The Box, or trying to leave The Box.

NurseSusy

Being an avid fan of the “Little House on the Prairie” farming communities funded the schools for their children. One family provided room & board for the teacher. It was like that for years in rural communities.
The culprit behind all this public education is–
Credit for our modern version of the school system usually goes to Horace Mann. When he became Secretary of Education in Massachusetts in 1837, he set forth his vision for a system of professional teachers who would teach students an organized curriculum of basic content.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Oh, the irony.
If you want to feel as if you have been staked to the ground in front of a slowly moving steamroller, read the Underground History of Public Education by John Taylor Gatto. He lays out the whole chronology and you see it happening and wonder why on earth no one could fricking STOP it.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

scott467

That’s always the big question.
Everybody knows who he is, his whereabouts are generally not hidden, and everybody knows what he’s up to, because he has been relatively open about it for decades.
And yet nobody stops him.
Even though it would be easy to do so.
He has no army, he has no defensible fortress (much less any nation-state).
The special forces of the Duchy of Grand Fenwick could take Soros out.
Any country could put a $100 million bounty on his head, dead or alive, and there are plenty of highly skilled ex-military all over the world who would descend on him like flies to roadkill. Not to mention every Tom, Dick and Harry.
And yet it never happens.
Not for more than half a CENTURY.
I realize he has more money than just about anyone.
But if money literally makes someone untouchable, above the law, then that’s de facto evidence and a prima facie case for outlawing billionaires.
We can’t have it both ways. We can’t argue that people should be allowed to become billionaires, if becoming a billionaire means you are literally above the law. Because one man — and Soros is exhibit ‘A’, the poster child — could manipulate entire nations, violating the rights of hundreds of millions, even billions of human beings, without consequence, without lawful recourse.
So nothing reconciles.
Nobody ever asks why.
And nobody ever does anything about it.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

The special forces of the Duchy of Grand Fenwick could take Soros out.

And wasn’t their weapon the Q bomb?

scott467

“And wasn’t their weapon the Q bomb?”
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Indeed it was 😁

Teagan

A question DH and have discussed dozens of times! Sure would love a logical explanation.

Deplorable Patriot

He has to be discredited first. Too many people think he’s just a do-gooder philanthropist like any number of other people of his sort in the last 100 years or more with good public relations staffs.

TradeBait

Bingo. Exactly what has to happen first, DP. He has too many people on payroll around the world and compromised among the elite.

Gail Combs

DP, I think I have a comment in Da Bin (about home medical devices) can you look? Two other comments have posted since then.

Deplorable Patriot

Sorry for the delay. Had to run an errand and family drama this morning….
I found two, actually.

notasmidgeon

You’d now need to add his son’s names to the hit list. they’re assisting and will continue his work after he’s gone.

nikkichico7

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

On the one hand, this is kinda “NO ****, SHERLOCK”. On the other hand, it’s pretty WOW.

🦋🤸‍♀️🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🤸‍♀️🦋

He was ranting and raving on twitter, closed his account, and has taken a leave of absence. Remember, during RUSHA X3, they bankrupted this innocent guy w/lies, he lost his home +, had to set up gofundme, legal bills out the wazoo. He was blessed to be cleared and re-hired, he’s probably still very upset about the whole ordeal.

Deplorable Patriot

I’m sure it happened, but I do think it needs a different outlet for reach.

Gail Combs

I posted stuff here months ago that DOVETAILS with what he is saying.
I will leave out Nasty Piglosi and her movements.
First Nancy Messonnier and the rest of the top of the CDC are SENIOR EXECUTIVE SERVICE and CAN NOT BE FIRED! (I went over that months ago) I am sure that added to the frustration of Mike and others.
CDC TIMELINE
“November 9, 2016
The NPR station WABE-FM in Atlanta details a somber, depressing, tearful, binge eating reaction by CDC staff:

Employees at the Atlanta-based Centers for Disease Control and Prevention say the mood in their office is somber.
At the General Muir deli across the street from the CDC, a few employees talked to WABE, asking that their names not be used. One microbiologist said her colleagues were crying in the hallways.

July 15, 2019
CDC shuts down USAMRIID (U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases) on doing level 3 and 4 bio-research [H/T itswoot]
*https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/11/24/cdc-inspection-findings-reveal-more-about-fort-detrick-research-suspension.html
EARLY JANUARY
From Carlos

A Seattle infectious-disease expert named Dr. Helen Y. Chu tried to test people as soon as the first case was reported in her area, but the CDC prevented it.
Dr. Chu finally went ahead and tested anyway.
Washington state ordered her to stop. 
Rigidity of thought, bureaucratic red tape, and the pigheadedness of government employees prevented Dr. Chu from getting out in front of the epidemic.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1237911399382183936.html

Write up by the New York Slimes

Dr. Helen Y. Chu, an infectious disease expert in Seattle, knew that the United States did not have much time.
In late January, the first confirmed American case of the coronavirus had landed in her area….
As luck would have it, Dr. Chu had a way to monitor the region. For months, as part of a research project into the flu, she and a team of researchers had been collecting nasal swabs from residents experiencing symptoms throughout the Puget Sound region….
…Everywhere Dr. Chu turned, officials repeatedly rejected the idea…
*https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/10/us/coronavirus-testing-delays.html?referringSource=articleShare

February 14, 2020
Teleconference with reporters:

Who
Nancy Messonnier, M.D., Director,
National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases
Nancy Messonnier ….I think that more information will become available over the next couple days, as we fully evaluate these repatriated travelers and as we line up the lab results from Japan, as well as the testing in the United States.…..
….So as we’ve said with these repatriated groups, our assessment of the groups, in terms of their risk, drives our stance in terms of what kind of testing we do.  So because these returning passengers — because these repatriated individuals were judged to be at high risk, we have done additional testing on them.  It is — in addition to that testing, we also are continuing to do surveillance for illness, which is clearly our focus.…..
Julie Steenhuysen from Reuters. Your line is open.
>> I have a couple questions.  First of all, can you tell us how many states have testing capacity?  We’re hearing that only three states at the moment are capable of testing for the coronavirus because of issues with the test kits.  And secondly, and you touched on this, at what point does it make sense to still screen passengers at airports, given how many countries now are seeing widespread — or seeing additional cases and starting — you know, at what point do you shift to community-based measures to control this virus?….
Nancy Messonnier: In terms of the test kits, you know what, I think we’ve been as transparent as one could be about this issue.  I’m happy to report that we’re fully stood up at CDC.  There is no lag time for testing at this point.  That is the focus of testing in the united states, the testing here at CDC.  We’ve had no issues at all in terms of the quality of that.  As we’ve pushed tests out to the state, they did what we would expect as part of the normal procedures, which is do the verification in their own laboratories.  There were problems identified with the test kits.  That is a normal part, unfortunately, of these processes.
We obviously would not want to use anything but the most perfect possible kits, since we’re making determinations about whether people have COVID-19 or not.  So that is still where we are.  We are working with FDA, who is the one that have oversight over us.  Under this e.u.a. on redoing some of the kits.  We still consider it a priority to get the kits out to patients as soon as possible.  It is overridden by the priority to make sure that the test is correct….
Andrew Joseph.  Your line is open.
>> Hi.  Following up on some of the testing questions.  Has testing started through the influenza network yet?  Also, you mentioned, you know, how clinicians are on the lookout for patients.  Have you all thought about broadening the recommendation?  As it stands now, i think online, it’s either fever and — or sorry, symptoms and either travel history to wuhan or contact with a confirmed case or person or investigation.  As you mentioned, it seems to be spreading pretty efficiently outside Wuhan.  Have you thought about expanding that evaluation guideline?
…..In terms of case definition, you may know that on our web page we do go through in detail our current case definition.  The current case definition does say that patients that have fever, symptoms of lower respiratory infection, requiring hospitalization, and a history of travel from mainland china meet the case definition for testing.  We are regularly looking at the epidemiological situation globally.….
We also obviously don’t want to mistransmit in the United States.  Balancing those things going forward, we are going to continue to look at travel history and see when and if there’s the right reasons to expand that beyond China….
*https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/t0221-cdc-telebriefing-covid-19.html

CDC had run just 426 tests from Jan 21 to Feb 24
April 18 2020
The Washington ComPost reported.
*https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/contamination-at-cdc-lab-delayed-rollout-of-coronavirus-tests/2020/04/18/fd7d3824-7139-11ea-aa80-c2470c6b2034_story.html

The CDC facilities that assembled the kits violated sound manufacturing practices, resulting in contamination of one of the three test components used in the highly sensitive detection process,

Now wouldn’t you think that would apply to ALL the kits associated with the CDC????
AND WHERE IN HADES WAS THE FDA??? These tests were NEW and should have had FDA oversight!
Itswoot posted:

USAMRIID (U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases) should be in the thick of things in the COVID-19 fight. CDC shut them down on doing level 3 and 4 bio-research back on July 15, 2019 when they sent USAMRIID a cease and desist letter. In late November, the CDC approved a partial resumption of USAMRIID research. I haven’t come across anything to indicate that they have been given approval to resume their normal activities.
**cue suspicious cat**
Here’s an article that gets into the particulars of the CDC restrictions. It’s lengthy.
*https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/11/24/cdc-inspection-findings-reveal-more-about-fort-detrick-research-suspension.html
There is much more to this. I’ve been mulling over several other items I could post, but have yet to get my act together.

CDC Lab Contamination Delayed Release Of Coronavirus Tests
*https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/18/cdc-coronavirus-test-contamination/

.Cross contamination of coronavirus test kits reportedly happened at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) central laboratory in Atlanta after manufacturing practices were violated.
The inability of the CDC to rapidly produce a test kit for the novel coronavirus was caused by a “glaring scientific breakdown” at the lab in Atlanta, “according to scientists with knowledge of the matter and a determination by federal regulators,” The Washington Post reported.
“The CDC facilities that assembled the kits violated sound manufacturing practices, resulting in contamination of one of the three test components used in the highly sensitive detection process,” the Post reported.

>>>>>>>>>>>
Yeah, instead they REQUIRE little babies get vaccines containing RAT RNA (well mouse) that GIVES YOU CANCER and all sorts of neurological diseases like Alzheimers.
Judy Mikovits on mouse RNA in vaccines, how FauXi suppressed it and ‘gain of function’ bio-weapon research.
*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJb-g8ZB4xo
Dr Jason Fung explains the Financial Conflicts of Interests and the End of Evidence-based Medicine:
*

>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Czech Microbiologist Says #Covid_19 Virus Was Created In A Laboratory
*https://www.disclose.tv/czech-microbiologist-says-covid-19-virus-was-created-in-a-laboratory-395683
Apr 6, 2020

Dr. Sona Pek is one of the top molecular biologists in the world. She was the first to develop a test to identify the presence of Coronavirus in the human body. It is called the simple test. She has also analyzed the virus at the molecular level.
Her finding is that the virus is man-made, in a laboratory. That is, that its genetic code has been modified by human intervention.
The test she developed can detect the presence of COVID-19 in just one hour. She has published her findings and offered them free to medical experts around the world.
The interesting part of the interview starts around 15 minutes where she describes unnatural mutation of the virus with a high probability of unnatural genetic manipulation. The last three minutes of this DEVASTATE the notion this is a naturally-occurring virus.….

The video has English captions and is 20 minutes long
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
So WHY ISN’T HER TEST IN USE here in the USA??? WHY were results hung up for days if not weeks?

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

wheatietoo

Yes…several climatologists have said that we very well could be entering another Grand Solar Minimum.
The SpaceWeather site loves to have solar activity to report on.
They have been cheering on even the slightest little hint that a new sunspot might be forming…and often are disappointed when it doesn’t happen.
Yesterday, they posted this graph of wishful thinking:comment image
But then took it down rather quickly.
Now, there is a story about the ‘appearance’ of a solar flare, due to the current atmospheric conditions.
Someone sent them this photo and asked:
“Is this a solar flare?”comment image
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…………..SpaceWeather answered: [emphasis mine]
Christopher Flores took the picture while watching the sunset from Phoenix, Arizona, on Sept. 13th. “Smoke from wildfires in California dimmed the sun so much that I could photograph it. Is that a solar flare?”
If only… The sun hasn’t produced a significant solar flare in more than a month. In fact, the solar disk has been completely blank–without sunspots–for the past 27 days. Solar Minimum conditions are very much in effect.
The luminous plumes and splashes in Flores’ excellent photo are caused by the turbulent exhaust of the passing airplane. Thermal irregularities in air behind the plane stretched and distorted the edge of the sun, creating apparent fireworks greater than any real solar flare in 2020.
………………End quote.
I’m sure they’re not happy about that.
😄

wheatietoo

This weakening trend in the last 4 solar cycles, is what makes some climate scientists think that the trend will continue downward for cycle 25:comment image

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Yes, its one of those ironies of the history of astronomy. Galileo and a few others saw and recorded sunspots for the first time (using telescopes)…then we entered that “Maunder Minium” on the chart and sunspots became downright rare. I imagine many scientists for that century would have wondered what those early guys were smoking–except that a sunspot or two would turn up from time to time, just often enough to assure people they weren’t unicorns.
(I’ve actually managed to photograph sunspots–albeit just barely–with nothing more than an ordinary camera with a 300 mm lens on it and a solar filter over the lens (that last part is very, very important! 😀 ). I did this while actually photographing the last Venus transit, and the sun had a few slightly darker patches on it that actually turned out to be exactly where the sunspots were at that time.)
Another interesting irony was that there were two visible-to-the-human-eye supernovas during the 50 years before the invention of the telescope…then none after that at all until 1987, and even that one was not in our galaxy! The two from before were a few thousand light years away, SN 1987 was over a hundred thousand light years away (and still visible to the naked eye)! We’re WELL overdue. If Betelgeuse goes, it will be visible in daylight…and will cast shadows at night. It is MUCH closer than those old supernovas were, and it could go any time in the next 100,000 years. It could go before I hit “Post Comment” though admittedly that’s unlikely.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Great stuff!
And I think Beetlejuice is ready to go ANY TIME!!!comment image

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

One can hope so in her case.
I sometimes stare at Betelguese, the star, wondering if it’s going to go kablooey!! any time soon and wreck the outline of the constellation of Orion…after a couple of years of the explosion outshining everything in the night sky put together, possibly excepting the moon.
A supernova outshines the entire galaxy it is in. If you were a billion miles from a supernova, you’d die from the neutrino radiation before the blast wave hit. Yes, the neutrino radiation, which is ninety percent of the supernova’s output. And that would be true even if you were behind a big planet when it happened. (We detected neutrinos from SN 1987A, even at this great distance, and even though only the tiniest fraction of neutrinos ever interacts with anything on their flight path, much less our piddly little detectors.)
I hope, if I were looking at Betelgeuse when it blows up, I would remember to doff my hat. It’s been with us for all of recorded history and no doubt quite a bit longer, close enough to the celestial equator to be visible from everywhere but Antarctica. But nothing, nothing, lasts forever.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Wow – that is pretty incredible about the neutrino radiation. WOW.

cthulhu

Of course, it may already have blown up…..but the light from the explosion hasn’t gotten here yet.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Indeed. I am of course envisioning the light getting here. Especially since there’s absolutely no way to know about it before then, even in principle.
If memory serves, Betelgeuse is 800 light years (or so) away.

cthulhu

Well, there are three obvious ways….
First, is the Qarate Qid method: “tachyon…..tachyoff”.
Second would be “I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened.” It helps to cultivate acquaintances who habitually wear robes in a desert.
And, third, of course, is to read about it…..in the infamous edition of the Encyclopedia Galactica which fell through a rift in the time-space continuum from 1000 years in the future that describes the Marketing Department of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation as: “A bunch of mindless jerks who were the first against the wall when the revolution came.”

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Heh.

wheatietoo

Twitter has this ‘News’ item posted…in order to highlight tweets & articles about it by NPR and CNN:comment image
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Whistleblower says federal officials asked about availability of ‘heat ray’ before clearing DC protesters
………..Quote:
According to documents obtained by NPR and CNN, Major Adam D. DeMarco said that at around noon on June 1, federal forces sent an email asking whether the DC National Guard had a Long Range Acoustic Device (LRAD), or a device called the Active Denial System (ADS). The ADS, which is a non-lethal device developed by the military in the early 2000s, is also referred to as a “heat ray” and makes the skin feel like it’s burning. The email was allegedly sent hours before law enforcement officials were ordered to clear protesters gathered at Lafayette Square in Washington, DC. The Washington Post reports a Defense Department official downplayed the allegations, saying emails asking about specific weaponry were routine to determine available equipment.
……………End quote.
The NPR article has this PDF which has a letter from DeMarco’s lawyer, David H. Laufman…plus a copy of DeMarco’s testimony:
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/7211973/DeMarco-Response-to-Committee-QFRs.pdf
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https://www.npr.org/2020/09/16/913748800/military-police-leaders-weighed-deploying-heat-ray-against-d-c-protesters?utm_term=nprnews&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=npr&utm_medium=social
.
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I’ve read about the ADS devices…and from what I remember, the only way they could be harmful is:
🔹 If the ray is left on in one direction for a length of time.
And,
🔹 If the crowd has moisture on their skin, such as perspiration.
Deploying short bursts, fanning across the crowd, would be harmless.
Uncomfortable, yes…but not harmful.
And…David H. Laufman?
I’m trying to remember where I’ve seen that name before.
🤔

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Isn’t Laufman on the Coupe Org Chart? Also Blasey Ford maybe?

wheatietoo

Yep. I think you’re right.
Thanks, Butterfly.
🤗😘

patfrederick

Sd had a piece on Laufman…
David Laufman was the Department of Justice, National Security Division, Deputy Asst. Attorney General in charge of counterintelligence, cyber security, counterespionage and export controls.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/08/doj-national-security-division-official-david-laufman-quits/

wheatietoo

Thanks, Pat.
🤗😘
And he was involved in getting those bogus FISA warrants, for Cater Page, etc.

patfrederick

yup…I knew that name sounded familiar too…

pgroup

I keep hearing that this info is the result of a whistleblower talking. For the life of me, I cannot see anything to blow a whistle about.
What is so bad about discussing an actual piece of military hardware that is known to exist by the public?

Dora

The smoke has come to Long Island.

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News said Oregon has the worst air pollution in the world right now.

Dora

I have no doubt. If the smoke can reach Long Island, although only slightly, I can hardly imagine what it must look like on the other side of the country.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

We’ve been dealing with our own smoke turning the sky tan…not as bad as near the fires, of course, but noticeable, and sometimes we can smell wood smoke. Many people I know are far more sensitive to it than I am. But as far as I know that’s all been *Colorado* fires, not Oregon ones.
As a matter of trivia, the Left/YSM/DNC complex deems the stories of the recent fires in Australia being set by arsonists rather than “climate change” to be either completely fictitious or to be exaggerating one or two cases out of many dozens of fires, so expect that to happen in this case as well.

Dora

phoenixrising37

funny how so many members of the Tribe are saying the Accords mean nothing…

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nikkichico7

TY Pat, … awesome and hilarious and true .. 😂👍🇺🇸❤️🇺🇸‼️

patfrederick

smile, it increases your face value!

nikkichico7

I’m gonna need a bigger smile .. 😳😬

patfrederick

it’s lovely the way it is!!

nikkichico7

Awwww … 😃🤗❤️ … you sweetie you ❤️
GBY ❤️

patfrederick

may He bless you as well!!

nikkichico7

… 🤗 .. ty ❤️

Dora

Deplorable Patriot

They’ve been hiding behind the 501c3 status unnecessarily for entirely too long.

Dora

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

The simple fact of the matter is that Jesus probably looked like the typical Middle Easterner.
It’s extremely unlikely he looked like the blond chiseled Nordic guy on much of our artwork today, e.g.:comment image
Even this is probably pushing it (it’s still a northern European face even if the hair color is right for someone from Judea/Galilee):comment image
But of course, people will create pictures of Jesus in their own image. Including in Korea, where Jesus is depicted with Korean facial features (and there’s just absolutely no way that can be historically accurate). I’d show pictures, but sometime in the ten years ago since I first heard of this, “Korean Jesus” has become a meme joke, and nothing I see today when I do a search looks for sure to be authentic.

Deplorable Patriot

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Deplorable Patriot

He is described in the writings of the mystics as being beautiful. I’d have to go looking for it, but I think it was St. Bridget of Sweden that had the description.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

as being beautiful.

The planted assumption here being that only Northern Europeans are beautiful?

Deplorable Patriot

No. Persians are. So are many Spaniards. Black German.
I could go on….

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

The point being you used this quote as evidence that he doesn’t look like a middle easterner. What was I to think?

Deplorable Patriot

I said that He is (was) beautiful, not that He has the appearance of a northern European.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Ah.
Of course, I never said he wasn’t.
He absolutely had to have been charismatic (which is not quite the same as beautiful, to be sure) or no one would have followed him.

duchess01

Verse of the Day for Thursday, September 17, 2020

“The righteous cry, and the LORD heareth, and delivereth them out of all their troubles.”
Psalms 34:17 (KJV)

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Thank You, Jesus, for blessings received and prayers answered!!!

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patfrederick

Hiya Duchess!
Hope you’re having a Blessed Day!

duchess01

Hey, Patty! Overcast here – miss the rising sun – but, the flowers are still blooming – and the trees, bushes, and grass are a brilliant green!
God Bless Your Day, too! Hugs!!!

patfrederick

HUGS back to you!!
last evening coming home, the haze continued–the sun hung like an hazy orange ball in the sky…still overcast this morning…

duchess01

Hmmm…could that be coming from the west coast?

patfrederick

normally when it’s overcast, the sky is just gray. we could see fluffy white clouds in front of the haze…

duchess01

It’s that burnt orange color I notice – in the haze – I mean – that might indicate something foul in the air – but, white is not ominous at all – just cloudy…

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🦋🦋💖🙏💖🦋🦋
In all your ways acknowledge Him and He will direct your path.
Thank You Lord that You love us so!!😍🙏😍

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Sue Mcdonald

From my little spot in the PNW here’s my update.been trapped inside the house over a week now due to smoke,we all have cabin fever and want to open the windows and go outside but don’t dare as the smoke is very dense. The smoke is getting to everyone ,we have all been coughing and it’s hard to breathe for me .I’ve been using the nebulizer a lot more than usual and still having difficulties. We are on track for rain tonight with more wind to blow smoke away which would be such a relief.
I’ve been so saddened by all the destruction everywhere.so many homes destroyed. People have lost everything and the death count is rising . I have seen signs along the freeway taking my son to work that say have you had enough yet Oregon? Stop voting Democrat. And Trump 2020 signs and banners everywhere.that has never happened here before and we all know why.it seems were not going to be quiet any longer.i have a huge Trump hanging in my yard right next to my flag this year.
Well that’s all for the moment. Signing off from ground zero here in burnt out Oregon.

wheatietoo

I’m so sorry that’s happening, Sue…it sounds miserable.
😬😟
Hope you get some wind and rain soon!
😌🤞

patfrederick

thanks for checking in Sue!!
please stay safe!!!
I will keep you all in my prayers!!!

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I’ve been so saddened by all the destruction everywhere.so many homes destroyed. People have lost everything and the death count is rising . I have seen signs along the freeway taking my son to work that say have you had enough yet Oregon? Stop voting Democrat. And Trump 2020 signs and banners everywhere.that has never happened here before and we all know why.

So THIS is what it takes. 🙁
Actually, even if they vote R this year, I’m not at all convinced it will stick, not even long enough for the next midterm elections.

Dora

patfrederick

emails reveal low covid numbers in Nashville–mayor knew and tried to hide them from the public.
FTA
“Emails between the Mayor’s senior advisor & the Health Dept. reveal only a partial picture. But what they reveal is disturbing. The discussion involves the low number of coronavirus cases emerging from bars & restaurants & how to keep it from the public.” https://t.co/eDjCia6Qr8
— Nick Short 🇺🇸 (@PoliticalShort) September 17, 2020
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/stunning-emails-reveal-nashville-mayors-office-colluded-metro-health-hide-actual-covid-numbers-citizens-business-owners-low/

mollypitcher5

It’s something like this that I don’t understand. Hiding facts to keep the death spiral of small biz, keep kids out of school, etc.. What exactly is the collective Dem mindset on this ?
Is it all back to the inexplicable TDS ? It makes no sense to willingly cripple a city.

patfrederick

shut down businesses–let the Chinese buy at fire sale prices…

Gail Combs

You have to step back and see the BIG picture.
Marxism is the biggest world wide SCAM in Centuries. It would have gone NO WHERE WITHOUT people in power and people with money supporting it.
BACKGROUND:
From WIKI on Ludwig von Westphalen:

Westphalen, was the youngest son of Christian Philip Heinrich von Westphalen (1724–92), who had been de facto “chief of staff” to Duke Ferdinand of Brunswick during the Seven Years’ War, and from whom he inherited the aristocratic title of baron.[1][2] Through his mother he was the descendant of many Scottish and European noble families….
in 1816 Ludwig von Westphalen was transferred to Trier.[1]
It was in Trier that he met and befriended Heinrich Marx, the father of Karl Marx….
….In fact, Ludwig was seen as the mentor and role model of Karl Marx, who referred to him as a “dear fatherly friend”.[1] It was Ludwig who first introduced Marx to the socialist teachings of Saint-Simon.[2] Marx’s dissertation was dedicated to Ludwig.

So Marx was not exactly unfriendly with the aristocracy.
MARX Connection to the central banking cartel:
A wealth banker, his mother’s brother Benjamin Philips, financed Marx.

Marx was born into the Jewish business class. His father was a lawyer, for businesses, and he owned vinyards. His maternal grandfather was a textile merchant and banker. His grandmother’s first cousin married Nathan Rothschild, founder of the British branch of the Rothschild banking dynasty. Lion Philips’ brother Benjamin was a “banker and industrialist”. Lion’s son Frederick was a banker.
*http://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1015&pid=61017

Also Nathan Rothschild was executor of Cecil Rhodes will around fifty years later. (Think Milner Round Tables like the The Council on Foreign Relations and Council for Economic Development that wiped out US farmers.)
…….
With that as background this passage from The Communist Manifesto makes a bit more sense:
With that as background this passage from The Communist Manifesto makes a bit more sense:

“The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his ‘natural superiors,’ and has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, callous ‘cash payment.’ It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervor, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation. It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom—Free Trade.
― Karl Marx, The Communist Manifesto

Gail Combs

I am going to add Wolfies old comment
….
wolfmoon1776
July 4, 2019 at 12:03
“Personally, I think that the POPULAR CONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENT that was pioneered by the Founders is what actually deserves to be called “socialism”, and that the monstrous FALLACY of “dictatorship of the proletariat” sold by royal elite lackey Marx using the psychology of envy and justified immorality is really “fake socialism”.
There are extreme advantages to viewing things that way. It unravels a LOT of lies. In fact, I thank Gail Combs for pushing the whole notion of [fake] socialism as a tool of Euro-cabal / bankster / elite / monarchic forces. It REALLY unravels the history of the 19th century.
Once I saw that [fake] socialism was an end-around by the forces opposing POPULAR-FREEDOM-BASED “American socialism”, it all made sense. Our logically organized egalitarianism is internally self-consistent. Their “you need a monarchic elite to manage your populism” theory is full of crap.
This, BTW, explains why [probably Canadian-based] leftists struck me so hard during the Obama administration, when I noted that communist dynasties descended to a kind of weird familial monarchic structure. I was jumped immediately and hard by professional psychologically trained trolls, most of which at that time were paid Obama backers based in Canada. This told me that they were extremely sensitive on the point.”

>>>>
Actually it was called (CLASSICAL) Liberalism until the ‘Progressives’ Stole it.
If you want to know what the Communist ‘Utopia’ the ‘Progressives’ have in mind for us looks like…
THE POST SUSTAINABLE FUTURE

Your government is a corporatocracy, a new authoritarian state in the process of consolidating your output into a more controllable, exploitable channel…
The technology that is being marketed to you is actually being used to condition you to expect to be spied on, and to spy on others. Every totalitarian state in history has relied on data collection. The Nazis were masters of data collection and analysis. Your government now has technological capabilities that far exceed anything ever seen on the planet to this date. You are in the midst of the biggest public relations scam in the history of the world. The pretty pastel vision of life in a Smart Growth development is a manipulation, a mask. In fact these plans are designed to restrict your freedom of movement and choice.
Transit villages (formerly known as cities) will be restricted to having only the population that can be supported by food grown within a 100 mile radius (called a ‘food shed’)….

NOTICE the PLANDEMIC and the RIOTS ALL DESTROY SMALL BUSINESSES!!! The corporations want small businesses killed of completely.

mollypitcher5

Thanks much for the replies…both excellent. I can’t wrap my brain around my fellow citizens, whether it’s a Mayor or voter or ? thinking the socialist concept of killing small business is a good thing.

Gail Combs

BIG BUSINESS has the $$$
We got F…Ked royally when the Supreme Court said CORPORATIONS could donate to candidates and PACs could get MILLIONS (unlimited $$$) add in LOBBYISTS and the government became FOR the Corporation By the Corporation.
It should be $15,000 per person PERIOD! AND NO LOBBYING! MAKE our Representatives get their asses BACK HOME to find out what the CITIZENS WANT!

phoenixrising37

Re-election of Donald J. Trump means jail for many DIMs…
It means the END of CENTRAL BANKS and the theft of wages and savings of hard-working Americans.
It means the END of … I could go on all day… but it certainly means the end of the Democrat Party, the
end of the Deep State and the crippling of the Cabal. Whether the Cabal is destroyed or not will depend
how things play out across the Globe of course.
my 2 cents of course

Gail Combs

President Trump has been setting it up so the strangle hold of the Cabal on other countries is loosen. IF you cut off the HEAD of a snake you kill it no matter where it is hiding.
Soros is NOT the head he is just a very loyal puppet. President Trump gave us the key when he mentioned very wealthy very foolish people whose names we would not know.

phoenixrising37

Amen Gail, Amen.

patfrederick

WTH????
in Houston, they are radnomly selecting homes to give a blood sample and answer questions–for the greater good—with the power of the CDC behind it?
FTA
With the kind of coordinated fanfare you might normally expect to see in a province of communist China, the City of Houston, Texas has announced a new program that will “randomly” select Houston residents who will be surprise visited at their homes by city officials and paramedics seeking to draw blood from every person living at that address as part of some grand pandemic medical experiment “for the greater good.”
Essentially, there will be a knock on your door, and if you open that door, you will be greeted with needle-gripping “authorities” who will demand that you and all your family members fill out highly intrusive forms and submit to a blood draw. Your blood will then be analyzed and added to a government database, tied to all the personal information you surrendered on the form, all under the guise of an “antibody study.”
From what we’ve seen so far, no city official has yet said the program is voluntary. “If we knock on your door, I strongly encourage you and your loved ones to participate in this important survey,” said Houston Mayor Sylvester Turner in a press release issued by the Houston Health Department.
https://coercioncode.com/2020/09/11/door-to-door-medical-tyranny-city-of-houston-to-dispatch-covid-medical-teams-to-draw-blood/

wheatietoo

I think that Houston Mayor is a Demoncrat.
😕

patfrederick

you’re probably right…
the article details what would happen to a team sent to the author’s house…LOL…with dogs, weapons, etc…you know, typical Texan style home defense!

wheatietoo

Houston took in a lot of people from Katrina.
It was supposed to be temporary…but I think a lot of them stayed.
Texas has also been targeted by the DNC in their operation ‘Turn Texas Blue’.
😕😖

phoenixrising37

Houston has absorbed A LOT of illegal immigrants… same in Austin.

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Yes, he’s a Democrat. I strongly encourage means PLEEZ PLEEZ PLEEZ. There’s NO WAY they can force you to cooperate Door Slamming time! TRACING is a bunch of NAZI GARBAGE. Big WASTE of Money, IMO. So glad I don’t live in City limits. Waiting for his Bestie, Dictator County Judge, to try that nonsense in the greater Harris County area where most R’s live. She best not dare! We have over 7million people in the area, they CAN’T AFFORD it. Governor Abbott is too smart to give financing for that. Houston already wasted $50 million setting up and tearing down a hospital in Reliant Stadium parking lot that went unused. LOL.

patfrederick

good for you!!

Gail Combs

Texas is an open Carry State.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Yes…finally.
Though last I head you had to have a concealed carry permit to openly carry. Hopefully that has changed!
Colorado is technically an open carry state (it’s even legal in banks!)–it says so in our constitution, article 2 section 13–but Denver banned it, and the state Supreme court failed to overthrow the Denver law when one justice had to recuse themselves because they had handled the case at a lower level, and the vote came down 3-3, which of course failed to overturn. And government buildings are often posted with “The Display of Weapons in this facility is prohibited” which means not that you must be unarmed, but rather that if you carry it you gotta conceal it (and you’d better have a concealed carry permit to do that, because our state constitution specifically does NOT protect concealed carry).
Article II, section 13:

The right of no person to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person and property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall be called in question; but nothing herein contained shall be construed to justify the practice of carrying concealed weapons.

Like any other constitution, it’s worth exactly as much as the integrity of the government that upholds it. And ours here has no integrity.

patfrederick

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MEEOW!! 🙀🙀

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patfrederick

did you see that Citizen817 posted a Q post??????????
I was surprised to see it still there….

duchess01

No, missed it – will have to go back and look see – some Q posts get by the monitors tho’

patfrederick

see if I can find it…

duchess01

Went back and looked – but, I don’t know for what I am looking – it may be already gone.

patfrederick

here it is
citizen817 says:
September 17, 2020 at 12:49 am
4722
Add it all up.
1. Virus
2. Riots [organized _ANTIFA]
3. Fires
The ‘Why’:https://t.co/PvQ9FAyJNt
Make no mistake, they will not concede on Election Night.
Make no mistake, they will organize massive riots and attempt Anarchy-99 design
Playbook known.
Q pic.twitter.com/VJihDGDyaL
— Karli 🇺🇸 (@KarluskaP) September 16, 2020

duchess01

Oh, yes – I remember seeing that – is it still there?

patfrederick

yeah…just copied it

duchess01

Is it still there? I went back and looked – did not see it at all!

patfrederick

yes, after citizen817 post with a video of Ric Grenell

duchess01

Oh – surprise – surprise – surprise!!!

ladypenquin

POTUS can and will easily put down the riots – my only concern is that he doesn’t roll over if they steal the election. It’s criminal what they’re doing with vote fraud – so NO to the final Communist takeover.

patfrederick

agreed…perhaps they are waiting for nightfall…they, like vampires, seem to enjoy wreaking havoc at night.

Gail Combs

“my only concern is that he doesn’t roll over if they steal the election. “
Are you talking about POTUS the QUEENS STREET FIGHTER? the COUNTERPUNCHER?
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

ladypenquin

TY Gail. I think like you do – first time that we’ll see someone not give way – POTUS knows if he lets them steal the election – the country is destroyed.

duchess01

H/T NICCO
Father, we thank You that Your hand is upon our president mightily.
We cover him with the precious shed blood of Jesus Christ and decree and declare Zachariah 2;5 over him and his family.
Let the fire of Your glory surround them and that no witchcraft, no voodoo, no hex, no vex, no curse, no power, no principality, and no demon in hell shall prosper against them.
Father, we ask that You dispatch legions of Your warring angelic hosts to destroy every plot and plan of the enemy.
Father, let Your anointing rest strongly upon him at all times and our nation is brought totally back to You.
Father, we praise You, we glorify You in the name above all names, Jesus Christ, King of Kings, Lord of Lords, and soon to return, Messiah. Amen.

duchess01

H/T GARRISON HALL
For a long time now I’ve been interested in knowing more about virtuosity. One thing I’ve found that’s pretty interesting is that virtuosos don’t have a lot of self-doubt. They learn at an early age that they’re a bit different, usually showing talent well beyond their years. Perhaps the most significant thing that sets them apart is their confidence: they simply know how good they are.
I thought about this tonight as I was listening to Andrea Motis performe with her teacher, Joan (pronounced Juan) Chammoro and their jazz band. Andrea was Joan’s student at the Sant Andreu music school in Barcelona. Amazingly this wonderful school is a part of the regular Barcelona school system. We have nothing like this here in the States. Oh, yeah. She was all of 19 when she made this video. She even scat-sings in English!
Moody’s mood for love Andrea Motis Joan Chamorro quintet & Scott Hamilton

duchess01

H/T MANDY
Story out of Nashville…
“Leaked emails between the senior adviser to Nashville’s Mayor and a health department official reveal a disturbing effort to conceal extremely low coronavirus cases emanating from bars and restaurants, while the lion’s share of infections occurred in nursing homes and construction workers, according to WZTV Nashville.
On June 30th, contact tracing was giving a small view of coronavirus clusters. Construction and nursing homes causing problems more than a thousand cases traced to each category, but bars and restaurants reported just 22 cases.
Leslie Waller from the health department asks “This isn’t going to be publicly released, right? Just info for Mayor’s Office?”
“Correct, not for public consumption.” Writes senior advisor Benjamin Eagles. -WZTV”
more at link:
https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/nashville-authorities-concealed-evidence-hardly-any-covid-19-cases-contracted-bars-and

duchess01

H/T SEPP
. . . but deliver us from the Evil One.
Prayer of Saint Ioannikios the Great (+ 846)
My hope is the Father, my refuge the Son, my protection the Holy Spirit. O Holy Trinity, glory to Thee.

duchess01

H/T DORA

patfrederick

LMAO…father defending his rioting daughter in Lancaster–says she was “acting as a medic” then admits he know practically NOTHING…
then the LT Governor says the bail is unconstitutional–but here in PA, the GOVERNOR’S OWN ORDERS were found to be unconstitutional…that’s how we roll here…LOL
FTA
The father of Kathryn Patterson, 20, an undergraduate student at Franklin & Marshall College in Lancaster, said she was acting as a medic, as she has at other protests in the recent past.
Chip Patterson called Kathryn Patterson’s $1 million bail, set by a magisterial district justice, “obscene.”
“Everything that I know so far, which is not a lot, indicates that Kat is not guilty of those charges. But then again, we’ll have to wait and see,” said Chip Patterson, who lives in Mercersburg, about 100 miles (160 kilometers) west of Lancaster.
He said he has not been able to reach his daughter since her arrest.
“I cannot tell you how long this night has been,” he said Tuesday afternoon. “I think regardless of what these people did or didn’t do, the bail amount is just outrageous and clearly against the Eighth Amendment,” which addresses bail.
snip
The $1 million bail quickly came under fire from Lt. Gov. John Fetterman and a local advocacy group, with Fetterman calling it “blatantly unconstitutional” and an infringement on the protesters’ Eighth Amendment right against excessive bail….
“It’s self-evidently unconstitutional,” Fetterman said. “Whatever the merit of the underlying charges, what is absolutely indefensible is a million dollar bail for those charges.” …
https://theothermccain.com/2020/09/16/lancaster-riot-bail-million-dollars/

mollypitcher5

Million dollar bail that will deter a lot of other dingbats from future riots vs millions and millions from the destruction of the city. Seems fair to me.

patfrederick

lots of discussion that at the bail hearing, it will be lowered…???
maybe…but it kept these assho*es off the streets for a while anyway.

Gail Combs

The tab I saw was 2 billion and that does not include the fire damage or loss of livelihoods. Brent Cates estimates maybe as many as 300 actually people. we know they get shipped all over.
The United States Supreme Court has found that punitive damages that are four times the amount of compensatory damages in civil suits.
So that ups it to AT LEAST 8 billion or a tab of 26 million per destroyer. So yes, 1 million in bail is certainly in line with the damage these people have cause across the USA.
……………
Here are just four cities:

MINNEAPOLIS
The city of Minneapolis has tallied at least $55 million in property damage and looting… More than 400 businesses have been damaged…
PORTLAND
In Portland, Ore., the costs related to nearly 80 nights of protests have soared past the $23 million mark in damages and lost revenue for downtown businesses.
CHICAGO
The Chicago Sun-Times reported the Floyd protests caused more than $20 million in property damage.
NYC
Not only have more than 300 officers been injured, but the demonstrations have also cost the city $115 million, plus another $179 million more in overtime….The cost of damages is estimated to be $996,700, according to the NYPD….
https://www.foxnews.com/us/costs-protests-financial-toll-cash-strapped-us-cities

wheatietoo

About those Direct Energy Weapons…mentioned here in this tweet:
https://twitter.com/BodhiCrane/status/1306242118520774656?s=20
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I have wondered if some mega billionaire could create their own military force.
People like Jeff Bezos have enough money to do that…if they wanted to.
So I wonder if they could have their own satellite equipped with DEW weapons?
There are several private satellite-launching companies.
All it takes is money.
There were so many things that were ‘not right’ about those fires last year in CA.
Things burnt…with a precision that is not normal.
Like houses burned without trees burned around them:comment image
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Strange burn patterns:comment image
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Trees burning from the inside out:comment image
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Some people swear that they saw “beams of light” coming down from the sky.
So I have wondered…if some leftist billionaire might have his own DEW weapons.
It would’ve been easy to keep something like secret while Hussein was in office.

patfrederick

creepy!

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Thus the urgent need for 🚀🚀🚀SF🚀🚀🚀!!! Surely they’re monitoring, hopefully they have same capabilities, including offensive ones. 😉

wheatietoo

Yes absolutely, Space Force!
🌌😀🚀🚀👩‍🚀
Our VSG President knows how bad we need this.

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Those burned up house surrounded by living pristine trees is highly suspect. There was a tweet about it yesterday….saw some ‘firefighters’ chiming in saying it was normal, That the trees were probably ‘wet’, while the houses were like matchsticks, also blaming wind and fire jumping. I still don’t believe it!

wheatietoo

Yeah, none of the ‘explanations’ make sense.
I’ve seen cars burn…but the metal doesn’t liquify like that.
We get wildfires here too…and I’ve seen the wind cause fires to jump from one area to another.
But *never* with that kind of precision!

mollypitcher5

I don’t see how anyone could claim that’s a normal fire looking at it from this angle.
Wasn’t there some discussion of the PG&E smart box …whatever..that fire wasn’t natural

Gail Combs

I posted this yesterday
D. E. W. ATHENA Laser Weapon
ATHENA, (Advanced Test High Energy Asset),

CapnTates
5 months ago
1: they are visible, if you check the correct wavelength (IR cameras have been around for ages)
2: The ammo is not unlimited, because they use energy and a LOT of it.
3: Travels at speed of light, but the damage takes a few seconds, aiming at the exact same spot
And as a bonus: vehicles may protect themselves from this device with more reflective surfaces and/or active cooling, which are both much easier to do than building this laser device.
Technology will catch up sooner than later, maybe making this thing obsolete before they can use it

So you can bet your booties the US MILITARY spy sats and planes KNOW!

duchess01

H/T REBEL53BLOG
TRUMP Rally Update:
Great American Comeback Event in Mosinee, WI
Thu, September 17, 2020
08:00 pm (CDT)
Great American Comeback Event in Bemidji, MN
Fri, September 18, 2020
06:00 pm (CDT)
Great American Comeback Event in Fayetteville, NC
Sat, September 19, 2020
06:00 pm (EDT)
Great American Comeback Event in Swanton, OH
Mon, September 21, 2020
07:00 pm (EDT)
https://www.donaldjtrump.co…

GA/FL

LIVE STREAM LINKS for tonight’s Peaceful Protest!
RSBN –

CSPAN – https://www.c-span.org/video/?475727-1/president-trump-speaks-mosinee-wi
OANN – will carry the rally – via subscription or cable
GST – ? – could not carry last rally due to family needs.
FOX BUSINESS – ? – carried last week, but no link yet.
TRUMP CAMPAIGN LIVE STREAM – sign up – https://events.donaldjtrump.com/events/livestream-president-donald-j-trumps-great-american-comeback-event-in-mosinee-wi

duchess01

Thanks, Georgia!!! On the ball as usual – you the bestest reporter – you are!!!
God Bless You!!!

Deplorable Patriot

The rally thread is due to drop within the hour.

GA/FL

Yay! It’s so much fun to watch it together!

GA/FL

GST still doesn’t have a link.

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‘Being Studied Now’

ladypenquin

It’s gone on too long…

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People thrashing Harris Faulkner and Melissa Francis for yesterday’s segment w/Newt. He mentioned Soros funding chaos, Marie Barf declared it was inappropriate to mention him, and the hosts just sat there in silence. It was very awkward.

So Melissa instigated the shutdown and Marie 2nd’d. Weird.

ladypenquin

Marie Harf is a nasty little bug of a human being. It looks like Soros’ money is everywhere. For the record, Soros poured thousands of dollars into the 2018 races as well – that’s how little known names won some of our congressional district races. All of a sudden they were flush with money to run local ads which did in our GOP folks. We’re talking 100’s of thousands of dollars.
DJT can run a lower cost campaign at his level, but in local races money does make a difference, especially when running nasty ads against the incumbents.

Gail Combs

Do not forget the NASTY ADS PLUS GOOGLE suppressing any and ALL rebuttals. (That is KEY!)
Happened to a local guy I know. He had a store with the usual Lotto stuff and a grand total of TWO Video poker machines. All perfectly legal
Video poker machines were once widespread in the state [of NC], but 2000’s state regulations limited video poker machines to three per site and banned the installation of new video gaming machines…”
https://professorslots.com/north-carolina-slot-machine-casino-gambling/
His opponent accused him of being part of the illegal gambling mob, stories were run and HE NEVER GOT TO REFUTE THE CHARGE, nor was he ever arrested. (Local gas station owner WAS arrested BTW)
He LOST because he was a republican and FOR FRACKING but they used the WRAP UP SMEAR on him with a little help from GOOGLE.

wheatietoo

Melissa has a Hollywood background, Butterfly.
She was a child actress on Little House on the Prairie, back in the day.

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Go Juanita!! 😀

wheatietoo

Indo-Pacific News
@IndoPac_Info
Pompeo: ‘Tide Has Turned’ Against #China’s Tech Espionage, Financial Pressure on Other Nations
“China operates under a “fundamentally false assumption” that #US is “a declining nation” rather than a country fully committed to preserve a rules-based order”
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Text of three more tweets in this thread:
“Turning the other cheek” to Chinese bullying, human rights violations, intellectual property theft and grasping for global hegemony “no longer made sense” to the Trump administration.
“The American people fundamentally need to see the threat” from China as broad-based and immediate. He added that America’s European allies are realizing how “tens of millions of jobs [have been] stolen” by China’s technological espionage and trade practices.
“The central pillar of China’s power is its economic might,” and the US & its allies & partners in Europe & the Indo-Pacific are not going to let that go unchallenged. The Chinese “are not 10-feet tall” militarily, diplomatically & technologically, Pompeo added during the speech.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

LOL! Oh, that Pompeo! Love it! What a zinger.
No, the ChiComs are the most subtle saboteurs on the face of the planet. And they’re going to pay for doing it to the wrong nation.

patfrederick

so looking for info on the siege at the WH…can’t find any yet.
canceled?
too early for west coasters to be up?

Gail Combs

They are like vampires they only come out at night to ‘play’
Brent Cates mentioned the ‘normal’ protesters show in the daytime and then go home. The hardcore gear up the destruction for after 1PM this is when most people get sleepy from their natural circadian rhythm.

Aubergine

I may have missed it here somewhere, but I think we may be missing something scary in one of Q’s latest drops. It’s this:
“Make no mistake, they will organize massive riots and attempt Anarchy-99 design
I remembered something about “Anarchy 99.” It’s in a movie I liked, called XXX.
I found this about it:
https://wearethene.ws/notable/139907
““Anarchy 99 is rumored to be in possession of a biochemical weapon called “Silent Night”, the NSA tries to infiltrate them…
…Cage then soon discovers a secret laboratory in which the re-engineering of the gas “Silent Night” has just been finished and a waterborne drone called “Ahab” is revealed. To tie up loose ends and to demonstrate the power of the gas to a witnessing Yelena, Yorgi gasses all the scientists who helped him. It was then Yorgi announced of his true plot: he will launch Ahab into many cities around the world (starting with Prague) and utilize the “Silent Night” that will kill millions of people in bringing worldwide anarchy.””
If this is what Q is referencing, this is terrifying. Anarchy 99 aims to kill millions of people with a poison.
What do you all think it means?

patfrederick

gees…that’s chilling

wheatietoo

Yikes…I hope that’s not what Q meant, Aubergine.
👁️👁️
You’re right, that’s terrifying.

Gail Combs

Glad I have a well and ALWAYS carry my own water!

wheatietoo

Good for you, Gail!
Wish we had our own well.

kalbokalbs

Cross posting.
Have NOT reduced my prepper readiness posture, that was markedly increased as Covid ramped up in February and March. Actually has increased as I’m a bit uneasy with all the D-Rat, deep state, Soros driven unrest. Surely ChiComs are in on all of this.
Recent revelations about the Covid ChiCom created.
My intentions have gravitated to maintain and selectively increase readiness through Electoral college vote, IIRC, Electoral College votes 14 December.
Then reassess. Maintain, increase or draw down.
Not trying to be Eeyore or paranoid, just so much turmoil being injected by deep state.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

This is good. I noticed that Anarchy-99 reference, but had no idea what it was.
This is very good, because it means we can be utterly prepared for what they’re going to do. I suspected what might happen – Q has confirmed it.
There are things we need to discuss but not openly. At a certain point we will, perhaps on Gab chat.
Because Q Team understands what we’re up against, there is no need to panic. However, if the Q movement is PREPARED for what happens, we will be a source of both strength and information to others.
Yes, this is going to be very interesting.

Aubergine

I have my suspicions about what they might do, too. I hope I am wrong.

singularzoe

Is that why the anarchists have gas masks?

Aubergine

Gotta wonder.

wheatietoo

Regarding that explosion that happened here in OK last night…
So okay, it happened near the intersection between Piedmont Road and Waterloo Road, in a semi-rural area, NW of Oklahoma City.
This was a buried Gas line that exploded.
It’s not like it was exposed…with easy access to it.
Here’s what gets weird:
There was a line of fire running along Waterloo Road, leading up to the explosion which caused a huge crater.
👉 It was like someone drew a line…of fire…along the road, till it hit the pipeline.
You can see it in this video:
https://twitter.com/zerosum24/status/1306453522058227713?s=20
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Here is a shot of the crater:

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In this video on the Channel 9 site…their guy on the scene tells about some of the law enforcement there, told him that the power poles near the explosion, a “burning from the inside out”.
The poles are still standing, but…’burning from the inside out’.
It’s at the 0:53 mark on this video:
http://www.news9.com/story/5f634a70cc1b370bb2a87d99/piedmont-explosion-shuts-down-portion-of-waterloo-road
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So I don’t know what to think…
*puts on tinfoil hat*
Someone doing some target practice with a DEW weapon?
They had a map of pipelines.
Line of fire leading right up to the explosion crater where it hit the gas line.
Utility poles still standing…but burning from the inside out.
If it weren’t for the weirdness of it, I wouldn’t be wondering about such things.

mollypitcher5

Spent 15 min looking for other instances of poles burning from inside out..couldn’t find any. Seems strange to me. Not that it couldn’t happen but that it doesn’t usually happen unless xyz happens..what is the ‘ xyz’ factor?

wheatietoo

There were pics and reports of trees burning from the inside out…in those strange fires in CA in 2018.

mollypitcher5

I saw those. Eerie looking but I can see how that could happen. Redwood bark , maybe others are sort of fire resistant and if there was a opening at bottom it would create a fireplace type of thing..??? lol, so strange though……can’t see how it happens in a power pole .

phoenixrising37

Today is Zoe’s Birthday !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Happy, Happy Birthday Zoe… may sunshine and friends and family surround you today.

wheatietoo

Happy Birthday, Zoe!
Hugs! *big grin*

patfrederick

HAPPY BIRTHDAY ZOE!!!!!!!

singularzoe

Was so busy celebrating yesterday only just saw this. Thanks to all. Love you all.

phoenixrising37

love to you! Hope your day was a great one.

phoenixrising37

The Library
It was a planning oversight that LRAD wasn’t available to federal agents at the time. It needs to be there starting tonight for the #antifa #BLM #DSA #acab riot in D.C. scheduled to start tonight known as ‘white house seige’ being organized by #antifa black bloc
https://twitter.com/i/events/1306431918305550342
Twitter
Whistleblower says federal officials asked about availability of ‘heat ray’ before clearing DC protesters
According to documents obtained by NPR and CNN, Major Adam D. DeMarco said that at around noon on June 1, federal forces sent an email asking whether the DC National Guard had a Long Range Acoustic Device (LRAD), or a device called the Active Denial System…
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Harold Wren
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10:20

phoenixrising37

Poso Retweeted
The Post Millennial@TPostMillennial
·
1h
Can you believe this horrific failure of the justice system?
Homicide suspect in Seattle slaying was arrested and released more than 34 times
Wednesday night, Seattle police were called to investigate a death that witnesses described as “horrific” at Cal Anderson Park. The suspect is believed to be local homeless notable Travis Berge.
thepostmillennial.com

phoenixrising37

Poso@JackPosobiec
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17m
What
Quote Tweet
Barrett Wilson@BarrettWilson6
· 24m
Man arrested after Pornhub featured and monetized his rape of 16-year-old girl
https://thepostmillennial.com/man-arrested-after-pornhub-featured-and-monetized-his-rape-of-16-year-old-girl

phoenixrising37

Justice Department@TheJusticeDept
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9m
#OperationLegend Case of the Day: KC Man Who ‘Terrorized His Neighborhood’ Charged with Illegally Possessing Firearm
Operation Legend: Case of the Day
Each weekday, the Department of Justice will highlight a case that has resulted from Operation Legend. Today’s case is out of the Western District of Missouri. Operation Legend launched in Kansas
justice.gov
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/operation-legend-case-day-10

MAGA Mom

Happy Birthday Zoe!

phoenixrising37

Also: some may be interested in this speech https://www.justice.gov/opa/speech/remarks-attorney-general-william-p-barr-hillsdale-college-constitution-day-event

Matt Zapotosky@mattzap
· 14h
Barr delivering a broadside to career prosecutors tonight, & making the case that the AG intervening in cases is appropriate and proper. Says letting junior people set agenda “might be a good philosophy for a Montessori preschool, but it is no way to run a federal agency.”
Show this thread

phoenixrising37

Justice Department Retweeted
U.S. Attorney Oregon@USAO_OR
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15h
A Portland man has been charged with arson after pushing a burning dumpster against the @PortlandPolice
North Precinct building on June 26, 2020. Read more: http://go.usa.gov/xGRj7
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/kansas-man-indicted-federal-child-pornography-charges

phoenixrising37

Who’s Gonna Be Lucky Indicted #2? – Brian Cates Retweeted
Corey A. DeAngelis@DeAngelisCorey
·
1h
A school district near Chicago isn’t reopening schools for in-person instruction
But they are reopening some schools for “remote learning supervision” (daycare)
And they’re charging families $250 per child per week.
That’s on top of what families already pay in property taxes.
Show this thread *

mollypitcher5

Ridiculous.
Scam covid is going to rack up millions of kids who will be so far behind.
Flatten the curve is evolving into churning out uneducated youth.

CM in TN

Dumb people are easier to control. Part of their plan in the long run. Look at how much they’ve dumbed down school over the years already.

Dora

Dora

I know you don’t all like Glen much, but give this a try. It’s very informative.

phoenixrising37
Deplorable Patriot

mollypitcher5

Gives the list of Soros $ to elected DAs
THREAD: #FollowTheMoney Soros A-Team: AbolishICE, Antifa & Sanctuary Anarchists.
This is a compilation of Open Society Foundation-funded groups/grantees tied to #anarchotyranny in America. All info comes from #OpenBordersInc. Bookmark & share. You won’t see this on Fox News.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1306367801309814784?refresh=1600301198

phoenixrising37

Thanks DP… I love Ms Molly

mollypitcher5

Aw what a sweet thing to say! xo

phoenixrising37

😉 hope your knee is healing…and that you are pain free…

mollypitcher5

No pain..but still no weight bearing. waaaaaa
Guess if such a terrible thing had to happen at least it’s in a place that I love

phoenixrising37

There ya go, thinking positive thoughts! Glad to here ‘no pain’ … of course, being a beach lover, you do know that salt water cures cuts and sores, makes all boo-boos feel better 😉

Dora

phoenixrising37

About time this was said…

phoenixrising37

DIMs are twisting Barr’s words all out of context… par for the course, right?
Chad Pergram doing the same, who interviewing Graham, who is doing the same.
We certainly are seeing the wheat separate from the chaff…
Chad and Faux both need to go… away… far away.

ForGodandCountry

Chew on this…
If Barr’s future actions jibe with what he has already said, the political left is going to be decimated under Trump 2.0

Deplorable Patriot

I believe this is correct.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Gail Combs

NO WAY IN HELL!!!
I will stick to Zinc, Selenium, CoQ10, Vit C, D3, ionophores…. And ask for HCQ + antibiotic if I get sick.
….
VIRUSES MUTATE — FAST!

ForGodandCountry

This
Why take a vaccine when Africa, which is on HQC, hasn’t been affected by WuFlu?
The pandemic appears to have spared Africa so far. Scientists are struggling to explain why
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/08/pandemic-appears-have-spared-africa-so-far-scientists-are-struggling-explain-why
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We know why. Broad societal use of HQC.

bakocarl

We also need a good, solid study of how many / what percentage people who routinely take HCQ for RA or Lupus came down with WuFlu, with comorbidities identified and seriousness of case cataloged.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Twitter is not only suppressing my poll – it’s anti-shilling in the replies!!!

phoenixrising37

ForGodandCountry

L A N D S L I D E 2020

Deplorable Patriot

I can’t wait for the “but the mail in ballots haven’t been counted yet” BS when over 75% of the electorate goes to the polls themselves.
I can dream, can’t I?

wheatietoo

Tucker’s show from last night.
He talks about how Big Tech censors are blocking his interview with that Chinese whistleblower doctor…and lots of other things.
It’s a “Digital Seige”.
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[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SJp5T0d5ik&w=647&h=362%5D

Deplorable Patriot
patfrederick

thanks DePat!!!…gees I am 3 rallies behind!!

Deplorable Patriot

And there’s three more this week/weekend.

patfrederick

wow…gonna make a great time reading for me…thanks for doing them DePat!!!!!!!!!!!!

duchess01

WHITE HOUSE CONFERENCE ON AMERICAN HISTORY
https://www.whitehouse.gov/live/

duchess01

Upcoming Events
2:30 PM EDT
President Trump Delivers Remarks at the White House Conference on American History
Washington, DC

duchess01

This is great – Finally, someone talking about what the Radical Left Activists have promoted – disdain for our American System – our system of government – in our American colleges.
And more…

phoenixrising37

Poso@JackPosobiec
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7m
They are trying to walk back the White House Siege now after Trump scared them https://adbusters.org/campaigns/whitehousesiege-tactical-briefing-5

phoenixrising37

Told you POTUS has this…

ForGodandCountry

Honest question: how did PDJT scare them? I missed that.

phoenixrising37

I’m not sure WHAT that refers to either FG&C… I recall that after St John’s Church was burned and DHS and others came out, the commies made all sorts of charges of “no identifying badges” and then when the DIM Gov finally asked for help, he sent the NG in and within “hours” the riots stopped. Gail’s comment says what I’m thinking. Add to that, the fact that POTUS is holding a RALLY tonight when Adblockers or whomever was supposed to make us all crawl under the keevers and fear for our Republic, and I think the riots will go “poof” and something else take their place.

ForGodandCountry

Ok.
Anyone?
How did POTUS scare these cockroaches?

Gail Combs

I think they realized it would be a SNATCH & GRAB free for all for the good guys, WITH FEDERAL RIOTING ACROSS STATE LINES & SEDITION charges waiting in the wings.
I also think they found a lot of their ‘officers’ and some of the troops are already sitting in jail or out on bond so they can not ‘come out to play.’

phoenixrising37

Right Gail…

ForGodandCountry

Makes complete sense.
How did they realize this? What was the mssging?

Deplorable Patriot

Actions speak louder than words. Maybe just snatching the vermin, and charging them had the moccasin telegraph humming.

Gail Combs

Think OPERATION LEGEND….
They have been quietly snatching the REAL professionals for a while now according to Carlos and Brent Cates. Many are NOT AMERICANS either.

Linda

Maybe the $1 million bail in Lancaster had something to do with it.

Teagan

All good points…they see there are now consequences…federal crime with stiff penalties…a bit different when in a federal district and crossing state lines into it.

Cuppa Covfefe

Yep. And don’t forget that AG Barr has recommended that violent “protests” (e.g. PantyFa) be prosecuted as SEDITION…. Capital offense, methinks…

phoenixrising37

Poso@JackPosobiec
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BREAKING: Two Republican Staffers For Ilhan Omar Opponent ⁦@LacyJohnsonMN⁩ Shot In Minneapolis, Suspect Arrested – The Daily Caller
Two Campaign Staffers For Ilhan Omar’s GOP Challenger Shot In Minneapolis
Two campaign staffers for Democratic Rep. Ilhan Omar’s challenger, Lacy Johnson, were reportedly shot in Minneapolis Monday.
dailycaller.com

phoenixrising37

Poso@JackPosobiec
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Update: This homeless man was found dead by police today in the park after a standoff involving a dead woman he was accused of killing
https://thepostmillennial.com/homicide-suspect-in-seattle-slaying-was-arrested-and-released-more-than-34-times
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mollypitcher5

What a cesspool. At least the carnage was kept in the protester population and not out in the public.
Summer of Love, right Mayor Jenny Durken ?

duchess01
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phoenixrising37

The Library
Fox news = #CNN = #EnemyOfThePeople

Twitter
Victoria Toensing
For those who have asked why we are not on @FoxNews: Hubby said on @LouDobbs accurate statement…that @georgesoros controls part of StateDept. Victoria Nuland had open door policy with him. Can’t criticize Soros on Fox. Just ask @newtgingrich. #maga2020
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kea

Why is he still running around unchecked!?!?!?!

CM in TN

Honestly, because we continue to allow it…Hopefully he will be brought down by his sedition. Then we can revoke his citizenship. Maybe we can do a prisoner exchange with him. Turn him over to Russia in exchange for Snowden.

ForGodandCountry

Interesting you think he is running around unchecked.
From all I can tell, he is being thwarted left, right, and center. PDJT has been and is eating Soros’ lunch, along with all of Soros’ allies.

kea

Well his name sure is now common knowledge that’s for sure.

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phoenixrising37

Brun0Barking@Bruno062418
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What’s “heartbreaking” is the SWAMP encouraged opiod use, via Afghan drug trade. Bush 41 wasn’t called “poppy” for nothing. The $$? Used to empower the Swamp, destroy our people & ship jobs to China.
Trump DESTROYED the drug trade/brought troops home. https://twitter.com/Bruno062418/status/1305973910857547776
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Joe Biden@JoeBiden
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President Trump promised the opioid crisis would end “quickly” if he won, but the fact is drug overdose deaths are up nearly 10% across the country. It’s heartbreaking.
As president, I promise I’ll take action to end this epidemic. https://joebiden.com/opioidcrisis/

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phoenixrising37

Julian’s Rum Tumbler glass Retweeted
The Hill@thehill
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Poll: Support for Black Lives Matter drops by double digits since June http://hill.cm/BPuVjrR

patfrederick

Accused #BLM rioters in Lancaster, Pa. have had their bails significantly reduced following a backlash. Nine of the arrestees had their bails set at $1 million due to multiple violent felony charges. https://t.co/r2r8oARFTd pic.twitter.com/G6cKeN3UZd
— Andy Ngô (@MrAndyNgo) September 17, 2020
per OT
Bails reset after petition by Judge Dennis Reinaker
– Yoshua Dwayne Montague M/23 – From $1 million to $100,000 cash or 10 %
– Kathryn Patterson F/20 – From $1 million to $50,0000 unsecured
– Taylor Enterline F/20 – From $1 million to $50,000 unsecured
– Dylan Davis M/28 – From $1 million to $50,000 unsecured; is on house arrest
– Alexa Wise F/29 – From $100,000 to $50,000 unsecured; is on house arrest
Judge Roth revisited the bail amounts for the following protesters
– Barry Jones M/30 – $1 million to $100,000 unsecured, he is on house arrest
– Jamal Shariff Newman M/24 – $1 million to $100,000 straight
– Talia Gessner F/18 – $1 million to $50,000 cash, if released, house arrest
– T-Jay Fry M/28 – $1 million to $25,000 straight

ForGodandCountry

Pennsylvania Judicial Conduct Board rules Judge Dennis Reinaker breached Code of Conduct during traffic stop
https://www.wgal.com/article/judicial-conduct-board-ruled-judge-reinaker-breached-the-code-of-conduct/30364008#

phoenixrising37

Pat…
I TOTALLY misread the first part of your post…
“Accused #BLM rioters in Lancaster, Pa. have had their bails significantly reduced
the i in “bails” looked like an l …………………….
thinking about it, my lack of reading comprehensive is factual 😉
and I saw a tweet somewhere early this a.m. that one of the PA pols’ daughter got swept up in the $1M bail, which is probably WHY the reduction for the others… of course, all that protesting about the ‘extreme’ bail just FOCUSED so squarely on the daughter… ain’t that grand!
POTUS is going to clean up your state Ms Pat… the people in PA support him overwhelming, imho

patfrederick

for the most part we do…it’s really Philly, Pittsburgh and Lehigh Valley that are the most liberal and heinous…imo

Concerned Virginian

It appears that the judges caved.
Now — we’ll see if KAMALA HARRIS (or her surrogate) will write some checks from that “bail out the Minneapolis rioters account” that SHE is involved in, to get the LANCASTER rioters out.

patfrederick

this “happened” 23 years ago…
Exclusive: Former model Amy Dorris comes forward to accuse Donald Trump of sexually assaulting her at the US Open.
Brilliant reporting by ⁦@Lucy_Osborne⁩. https://t.co/6HnT364Epz
— Paul Lewis (@PaulLewis) September 17, 2020

phoenixrising37

No… it NEVER happened…
Today is “Coates and Amy Dorris” day…
Tomorrow the DIMs will have two more liars to smear POTUS…
and the next day, two more… and on and on ’til Nov 3rd…

Deplorable Patriot

Just like the old shampoo commercial.

phoenixrising37

Senate Cloakroom@SenateCloakroom
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Confirmed, 68-26: Executive Calendar #816 Franklin Ulyses Valderrama to be U.S. District Judge for the Northern District of Illinois.

kea

Yeah no thanks.
Book by zero
Obama’s Presidential Memoir Vo1 1 A Promised Land

patfrederick

he finally pooped one out? he was so far off his deadlines…there were rumors they might have to ask for their advance back…LOL

kea

LOL Well someone pushed for it to come out now. Vol 1 yeah no thanks.

patfrederick

IKR???
volume 1…that means he needs an additional payment for vol 2 (or as I like to call it…the RIOTS)

kea

I see MSM pushing
‘What happens if the US election is contested?’
And well Trump has done nothing for health care. Really thata’s what your going with!?!?!

ForGodandCountry

Does this count as an apology to Newt re: his G. Soros comments yest.?

ForGodandCountry

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LM

For the last few months I have been striving to get word of the safeguards against Covid (zinc, quercitin, HCQ, doctors online, etc, vs masks and total isolation) to beloved family members.
They are prisoners of fake news.
They are appalled at the “systemic racism” of our society, ashamed of “white privilege”, believe that I am in a cult because I read Q, and they agonizingly believe that I will die horrible death if I leave my house and/or forego a mask.
I honestly believe that if anyone has proof that members of the left cooperated with the Chinese to inflict this virus on the world for political purposes it is imperative that they release the information before the election.
This is not the time to be nice and wait to act for the results of the election. It is time to save the country and its people.
Letting the American people know in the strongest (and most simplistic straightforward) possible terms the extent of the lies….including the deaths of the Clinton Whistleblowers, the ties of the Muslim Brotherhood to Obama and the decimation of the Middle East and its Christian population, the framing of and lies against Patriots and the President in the Russian witch hunt and impeachment, and the extent of the repression and imposed impoverishment and denial of freedoms to Patriots across institutions throughout the globe….would go a long way towards healing our land and safeguarding our loved ones and people across the globe.
We almost need a news site minus the commentary that just provides news denied to the people by fake news.
I am saying this because my loved ones DON’T KNOW any of this stuff and won’t listen because “conspiracy “.
If it was just them I might not have written this, but I am in a blue state with Ivy League institutions and I can attest that this is the rule and not the exception with so many, many gentle, well meaning liberals.
All advice welcomed.

ForGodandCountry

There is no such thing as a “gentle, well-meaning” liberal anymore. Not after all that has taken place in the past decade. Not after what has happened in the last few years, and most certainly not after what has happened in the last 12 months.
You must disabuse yourself of this unsupportable notion and you are doing yourself a grave disservice to YOURSELF by believing this illusion.
Yes, I understand you are speaking of family members. I also can appreciate that you might be the only right-leaning member in your family. That said, serving a hard truth is MUCH less painful and expensive that serving a lie.
FACT: Anyone who supported the Confederacy during the Civil War was a seditious traitor to the United States of America. I disavow my family lineage that had anything to do with the Confederacy, which is basically my whole family tree during those bloody years.
God comes first.
Then nation.
Then family.
It goes in THAT order. Our first duty is to God, closely followed by country, and THEN family. And the Civil War itself proved this truth, and the necessity of it.
I encourage you, if necessary, to re-order your love and allegiances as necessary. Doing so makes it FAR easier to make the correct choices and clarifies one’s priorities. As you said…
“This is not the time to be nice… It is time to save the country and its people.”
“ my loved ones DON’T KNOW any of this stuff and won’t listen”
Then don’t waste your time on them. Wish them well, and go save those who you can.

LM

I love you FG&C, but you are not a Mom💕
I agree, first God but not the order of the other.
I do try to save all I can. I have been shut down, shut off, and shut up but not the love on my side. Somehow, Thank God❣️
God equips, sustains, and heals,
For the record, on orders to never tell other family members…at least one of my loved ones voted for VSGPDT last time.
I home schooled…kids excelled. None of us were prepared for prestigious indoctrination institutions. For tender, respectful hearts this stuff is intense. Hope this reaches others.
I know that I have a lot to be thankful for and I am….incredibly.
I know also that the Truth will set us free….not just my loved ones but all people.
For others in this situation….never give up on God or on your kids. Where we see no way He is the Way.
I have gained strength from the Scriptures…including (memorized but maybe not be word for word) “train them up in the way in which they should go and when they are older they will not depart from it”, “all things work to the good for those who love God and are .called according to His purpose”, and that because I am saved my household is.
Meantime I have to do all I can. That’s where I am unsure and wonder how to do more and plead for others with the resources to act for the good of all.

patfrederick

my children are liberals too. I understand you completely…and sadly have no advice.

ForGodandCountry

Fwiw….I am coming at this from the perspective that you have already tried to “lovingly” confront them with irreconcilable, irrational positions, such as leftist argument that they say they believe in science….for example…yet claim fetuses are not babies or that gender is not determined by biological sex. Or the notion that “guns kill people” rather than “people kill people”. Or any of the other hosts of topics leftists where leftists say one thing and advocate another.
FACT: liberals must PRETEND not to know fundamental truths in order to support their ideological positions.
You say….never give up on your kids. I say….that is enabling behavior. Most especially and in particular if we are discussing adults who were once children. There IS such a thing as “Tough Love”, and that can mean cutting them loose. It doesn’t mean you stop loving them, stop praying for them, stop wishing the best for them, etc. It means you establish relational boundaries which you enforce without remorse or backsliding. “As long as you continue to make this choice for yourself, you also choose to distance yourself from me, your parent. I am not kicking you out of my life…YOU are kicking YOURSELF out of my life,”
And yes, our Republic comes BEFORE your kids. If you believe otherwise, then you ENABLE your leftist and wayward children to avoid a real cost to their ideological choice…their relationship with you. To the extent that you will tolerate their choice with no relational repercussion, you ENABLE them..even encourage them…to reject the principals and values you brought them up with.
God is very clear with us on this point. WE must conform to him, not the other way around. The child MUST honor the parent, and it is on the parent to lead and demonstrate resolve by example.
Seems you likely have issues with drawing and enforcing personal boundaries with your children. You also seem to suffer from the unsupportable notion that family comes before our nation (read: the law).
You are certainly not alone in these difficult issues, so there is solace there.

kalbokalbs

Amen!

phoenixrising37

I hear you LM…
FAKE NEWS has done a good job of brainwashing so many Americans…
No advice… just empathy for your situation, one which so many of us find ourselves in…
A two-term presidency for America’s first of color should have been a clear indicator that America is NOT racist. Sadly it is because of this same president and his weaponizing of so much of the government to promote racism that we find ourselves where we are today. When I consider the high number of black Americans who could have run for and been elected, black Americans who love our country… I want to weep. Zero is not only a traitor to our country, he is a traitor to people of color everywhere across the globe. Hil de beast would have been the same for women I might add… a treasonous first female president. The Cabal really likes rubbing our noses in it, don’t they? And not only has Zero betrayed people of color, he has betrayed Christians and Liberals (who unfortunately or fortunately… depending on one’s own bias of course… are not necessarily the same, but too often poles apart). I don’t hold out much hope for changing the minds of liberals, however, there is hope for redpilling black Christians. Zero was and is C_A, trained at The Farm, and thought by some to be Muslim, others to be Marxist, and by a few as devoid of any attachment to anything but the Cabal’s Agenda. Hopefully some will come to realize that in the months ahead when much once hidden in darkness will be exposed by and to the Light. We must be patient as we await the Light. It is hard for most of us to be patient at all times… which is why this Tree, Wolfie’s safe sanctuary, is so important and so necessary to those of us here. ALWAYS remember LM… we support you, we empathize with your situation, with your concerns. God bless you LM…

LM

God bless you, too Phoenix.
Your words are a balm to troubled waters. They brought to mind this verse 2 Corr 10:4:
For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds,
You are right…(Gal. 6 9-10)…. let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not. As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith
How easily we get worn down and discouraged, (at least…speaking for myself)
That is why we not only need God but one another.
An encouraging word and the olive branch of love can work wonders.
I will try to do better in reaching out.
❤️❤️❤️

phoenixrising37

LM, I observe that you do very well in reaching out … our loved ones don’t always want to hear what we have to say. Not our fault…

Gudthots

If the “god of this age” has blinded our loved ones, we can make an appeal to Heaven for the veils to be ripped away and that they may see with clear vision, with the eyes of Heaven.

patfrederick

well said phoenix!

phoenixrising37

TY Pat… don’t know what I would be doing now without the QTreepers… can’t find any solace or empathy within my family… can walk up the wee hill to my neighbors, though… which I sometimes do 😉 and I know you also have to look for empathy. So, good thing we all have each other here, right?

patfrederick

absolutely!!

Gail Combs

LM
HERE IS THE DATA YOU WANT:
Starts with this comment.
https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/09/16/dear-kag-20200916-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-598831
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
SCIENTIFIC PAPERS
This is WHY a vaccine my not be such a good idea.
The Complexity of Antibody-Dependent Enhancement of Dengue Virus Infection
*https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3185591/
Explained in layman’s terms:
Antibody-Dependent Enhancement
*http://denguevirusnet.com/antibody-dependent-enhancement.html

After a person is infected with dengue, they develop an immune response to that dengue subtype. The immune response produced specific antibodies to that subtype specific surface proteins that prevents the virus from binding to macrophage cells (the target cell that dengue viruses infect) and gaining entry. However, if another subtype of dengue virus infects the individual, the virus will activate the immune system to attack it as if it was the first subtype. The immune system is tricked because the four subtypes have very similar surface antigens. The antibodies bind to the surface proteins but do not inactivate the virus. The immune response attracts numerous macrophages, which the virus proceeds to infect because it has not been inactivated. This situation is referred to as Antibody-Dependent Enhancement (ADE) of a viral infection. This makes the viral infection much more acute. The body releases cytokines that cause the endothelial tissue to become permeable which results in Dengue Haemorrhagic Fever (DHF) and fluid loss from the blood vessels.

It happens with other viruses also.
Antibody-dependent enhancement occurs upon re-infection with the identical serotype virus in feline infectious peritonitis virus infection
*https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19122397/
(2014) Antibody-dependent SARS coronavirus infection is mediated by antibodies against spike proteins. Biochem Biophys Res Commun 451:208–214
*https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0006291X14013321

Abstract
The severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) still carries the potential for reemergence, therefore efforts are being made to create a vaccine as a prophylactic strategy for control and prevention. Antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) is a mechanism through which dengue viruses, feline coronaviruses, and HIV viruses take advantage of anti-viral humoral immune responses to infect host target cells. Here we describe our observations of SARS-CoV using ADE to enhance the infectivity of a HL-CZ human promonocyte cell line….

(2014) Antibody-dependent infection of human macrophages by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus. Virol J 11:82
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24885320/
“Conclusions: These results demonstrate that human macrophages can be infected by SARS-CoV as a result of IgG-mediated ADE and indicate that this infection route requires signaling pathways activated downstream of binding to FcγRII receptors.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
2020 Aug 7 Early Nutritional Interventions with Zinc, Selenium and Vitamin D for Raising Anti-Viral Resistance Against Progressive COVID-19
*https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32784601/
2018 Selenium, Selenoproteins, and Immunity
*https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30200430/
“The immune system relies on adequate dietary selenium intake and this nutrient exerts its biological effects mostly through its incorporation into selenoproteins. “
2019 Selenium, Selenoproteins and Viral Infection
*https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6769590/
“….Selenium deficiency, which is the main regulator of selenoprotein expression, has been associated with the pathogenicity of several viruses….”
1979 Influence of vitamin E and selenium on immune response mechanisms
*https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/312742/
meta-analysis of vitamin D as protection against pulmonary infections
*https://www.bmj.com/content/356/bmj.i6583
1999 The effectiveness of vitamin C in preventing and relieving the symptoms of virus-induced respiratory infections.
*https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10543583
⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️
July 2014 Zinc Ionophore Activity of Quercetin and Epigallocatechin-gallate: From Hepa 1-6 Cells to a Liposome Model
Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry 62(32)
*https://www.researchgate.net/publication/264127862_Zinc_Ionophore_Activity_of_Quercetin_and_Epigallocatechin-gallate_From_Hepa_1-6_Cells_to_a_Liposome_Model
⬆️ ⬆️ ⬆️
1061 COVID-19 patients, treated for at least 3 days with the HCQ-AZ combination and a follow-up
of at least 9 days was investigated. Endpoints were death, worsening and viral shedding
persistence.

*https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Abstract_Raoult_EarlyTrtCovid19_09042020_vD1v.pdf

Gail Combs

ACK!! I blew the blockquote close again, sorry.

duchess01
patfrederick

Breaking911
@Breaking911
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BREAKING: The Pennsylvania Supreme Court has sided with Democrats, extending the mail-in ballot deadline to three days after Election Day. – KDKA

Deplorable Patriot

No sense in actually following the Constitution. /s

ForGodandCountry

Yeah, liberals on the PA SC don’t get to change the law just a few weeks before the election.
Good try. But no cigar. Watch and see.

Deplorable Patriot

Exactly.

Gail Combs

HELLO SUPREME COURT!
The DAY of the ELECTION for President and Vice President is SET BY LAW PERIOD.
Technically EARLY VOTING for the Pres & V.P is AGAINST FEDERAL LAW!!! (Is this why the Repubs are ENCOURAGING people to vote in person ON THE DAY of the election OR by Absentee Ballot?
WIKI:
“In the United States, Election Day is the annual day set by law for the general elections of federal public officials. It is statutorily set as “the Tuesday next after the first Monday in the month of November” equalling “the first Tuesday after November 1”
Session 2 (1845)
Chapter 1 An Act to establish a uniform time for holding elections for electors of President and Vice President in all the States of the Union. Jan 23, 1845

STATUTE II.
CHAP. I.–Jn lct to establish a uniform timefor holding elections for electors of Jan. 23, 1845.
President and Vice President in all the States of the Union.(a)
Election day fixed
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the electors of President and Vice President shall be appointed in each State on the Tuesday next after the first Monday in the month of November of the year in which they are to be appointed:
Vacancies
Provided, That each State may by law provide for the filling of any vacancy or vacancies which may occur in its college of electors when such college meets to give its electoral vote:
In case of no election
And provided, also, when any State shall have held an election for the purpose of choosing electors, and shall fail to make a choice on the day aforesaid, then the electors may be appointed on a subsequent day in such manner as the State shall by law provide.
APPROVED, January 23, 1845
https://www.loc.gov/law/help/statutes-at-large/28th-congress/session-2/c28s2ch1.pdf

ForGodandCountry

Guess what?
The PA SC has no say in the matter. Not this year. Not with the Stafford Act having been lawfully enacted.
Watch and see.

phoenixrising37

I agree FG&C…
POTUS is saving it, but I believe mail-in (not Absentee) ballot voting will be thrown OUT…
still recall the news about a certain patent for a certain procedure implemented by the USPS…
surely it will not sit idle?

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Wonder how that would play out in Colorado, which has for a few cycles now been pushing people to vote by mail. (Colorado, at least, insists that the ballot get to them on or before election day, post marks not honored.)

phoenixrising37

Need more info… but it probably won’t come until much later, as informing us is informing everyone, and that includes DS, which then has time to try another trick… (sigh)

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Yep.
This is going to be a matter of whether they have more tricks than we have countermeasures. And yeah, many of us are convinced that Trump is aware of all their tricks, but that DOES assume a few things. It’s the sort of assumption you don’t DARE make in intelligence work. or military planning.

phoenixrising37

From the beginning of this journey with POTUS we have trusted that he knows what is going on and what is needed to happen… so far, we have not disappointed (impatient yes, disappointed NO)…
I plan to continue on ‘assuming’ … don’t really see that there is anything else I individually, personally… can do. Military or intelligence both have a lot more info and power, and Donald Trump is in charge of both, so… again, I will… wait… like everyone else in our tent …

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Yes, there’s nothing, really that WE can do except to raise the alarm when we see a new (to us) wrinkle. (Which we often do.) The idea there being if they weren’t aware of it, they will be now, and if they are already aware of it, no harm done. I know we have our best people on this. I don’t know, though, and CAN’T know, that that’s good enough, until after the election. Even our own best people can’t know that, and they are smart enough to realize that (I hope!).

patfrederick

are you sure? cuz that would be GREAT news!

ForGodandCountry

Quite certain.
The Stafford Act give POTUS extraordinary powers, none of which has ever been exercised bedore because it has never been activated prior to now (which was brought about due to the Chinese virus).
Basically, China/DS/dems released the virus to manipulate things, and after all 50 states individually declared a state of emergency PDJT then activate the Stafford Act as a counter to leftist manipulation.
EX: It is well within the power of the POTUS to suspend the PA SCOTUS decision under the Stafford Act as a matter of national security, and the PA SCOTUS can’t do a damn thing about it.
Why?
Because the Stafford Act was legally enacted by Congress and signed into law by the POTUS, and the courts have never challenged it’s legality.
Can they challenge it going forward? Yes.
Can they order a stay on these powers until the matter is adjudicated? No.

patfrederick

GOOD TO HEAR!

Concerned Virginian

Then one can assume that ANY court in ANY state enacting some type of “extend the mail-in ballot” deadline, can have that action nullified because of the Stafford Act.

pgroup

Received or postmarked? It makes a difference.

patfrederick

trying to get a handle on that…

para59r

Not really. Any fool can back ward plan to ensure the vote was there to be counted on election day.

para59r

Knowing that it is easy and proper to ascribe bad motives to this.

para59r

When they could of simply mailed out their ballots three days earlier rather then inconvenience and imperil the nation. No matter how they wish to spin it they are quite about the business of keeping an overt hedge on overcoming the outcome of the vote when it does not go their way.

duchess01
duchess01
ForGodandCountry

Barr just painted a giant bullseye on Soros’ back.

duchess01

GOOD!!!

Deplorable Patriot

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nikkichico7

… 🧐🤚 …😐 …😃👍❤️‼️ … boom indeed .. 😉😎

duchess01
Dora
ForGodandCountry

I would sue and seek to enjoin a class action lawsuit against my employer.
Fortunately, I don’t think my union will go along with this, because our members would revolt, so the union itself would sue the company….or union leadership will be quickly replaced.

pgroup

A clear cut violation of fed labor law. The paycheck funds belong to the employee; holding them is embezzlement and/or extortion. Either one clearly shows bad faith.

duchess01
duchess01

CLICK on chart to make it larger and then CLICK on ARROW to see page 2 and 3.

duchess01

PRESIDENT TRUMP’S REMARKS AT THE WHITE HOUSE CONFERENCE ON AMERICAN HISTORY
https://www.whitehouse.gov/live/

duchess01

2:30 PM EDT
The White House

duchess01

LIVE NOW!!!

duchess01

The 1776 Commission – Patriotic Education – established by President Trump

duchess01

DEADLY SHOOTING
3 Gunmen Fire 55 Shots, Kill Teen and Man, Injure 3 Others at Philly Playground
The shooting victims were on the basketball court at Roberto Clemente Park along 18th and Wallace streets in Philadelphia’s Spring Garden section shortly after 8 p.m. when multiple gunmen opened fire.
By David Chang, Aaron Baskerville and Dan Stamm • Published September 16, 2020 • Updated 10 mins ago
https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/gunman-shoots-at-least-4-people-at-philly-basketball-court/2535625/

duchess01

THE WHITE HOUSE
President Trump Delivers Remarks on Preserving Native American Artifacts 9/17/20

phoenixrising37

EXCLUSIVE: 34 GOP Lawmakers Demand Attorney General Barr Prosecute Netflix For ‘Child Pornography’ In Letter
https://dailycaller.com/2020/09/17/lawmaker-barr-netflix-child-pornography/

patfrederick

Just out: Some people in the Great State of North Carolina have been sent TWO BALLOTS. RIGGED ELECTION in waiting!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 17, 2020

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Surely not North Carolina!!! After all we know they have more people living in their precincts than live in those precints, so anything irregular must be honest.
(/sarcasm, of course).

patfrederick

lol…at least this stuff is trying to break thru to the surface

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Yes, indeed.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Not having read the article:
First the Public Schools will insist they’re doing a wonderful job. Sometimes they can point to a one point uptick in the SAT scores as proof they’re doing well (while ignoring 50 years of decline even after at least two dumbdowns of the test–my scores translated to today’s tests would be well over 800/800). When you finally do trap them, their excuse is that they need more money, which of course we know doesn’t work–doing the job in an idiotic fashion will not be improved by buying more idiocy. Or they will complain that they are dealing with children from bad sociological circumstances, which is one I can actually sympathize with (more children of divorced parents, ghetto absent father-ism [though in many cases s/he might be worse off with daddy around], and so on.) It’s hard to sort out how much of that is real change and how much of it is excuse making, but none of it excuses using methodologies that won’t work. And then dragging kids never properly taught how to read through the higher grades, where their homework assignment is given IN PRINT.
You have no prayer of being able to solve a story problem if you can’t read the story. [I used to say that if you couldn’t cope with story problems, you probably didn’t really understand arithmetic, but then I realized in many cases the problem was really simply with reading the problem, and/or comprehension, not with not understanding the concepts behind the math.]

phoenixrising37

AMAZING! suggest you read the entire piece… KARMA COMIN’ DOWN /phoenix
——————————————————————–
September 17, 2020
Princeton University Declared That It Was Thoroughly “Embedded” With Racism and White Supremacism.
So the DOJ Has Taken Them At Their Word and Opened a Civil Rights Investigation.
—Ace

Well, you did openly declare yourself to be an organization entirely given over to white supremacy, so…
The Department of Education has informed Princeton University that it is under investigation following the school president’s declaration that racism was “embedded” in the institution.
President Christopher L. Eisgruber published an open letter earlier this month claiming that “[r]acism and the damage it does to people of color persist at Princeton” and that “racist assumptions” are “embedded in structures of the University itself.”
According to a letter the Department of Education sent to Princeton that was obtained by the Washington Examiner, such an admission from Eisgruber raises concerns that Princeton has been receiving tens of millions of dollars of federal funds in violation of Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which declares that “no person in the United States shall, on the ground of race, color, or national origin, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance.”
Universities must certify that they are equal-opportunity institutions to qualify for federal loan assistance.
Princeton made those assurances last in 2013.
But Princeton is now admitting that it is a racist institution, despite previously certifying that it wasn’t.
That’s perpetrating a fraud on the US government.

MOAR at http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=390281

ForGodandCountry

OHHHHH SNAAAAAAP!!
I LOVE THIS!!! ❤️

Cuppa Covfefe

“Eisgruber” … ICE Digger…
Herb Caen is probably Namephreaking from his grave…
(original name was probably Eisengruber, iron miner)…

phoenixrising37

You know sooo much Cuppa… have you written any books? You probably should if you haven’t.

duchess01

phoenixrising37

Click on Butterfly’s tweet for “follow the Pen’s” Thread 😉

or you can use this link for the thread,
remove the splat *

Zoe, here’s text
Flag of United StatesButterflyButterflyButterflyButterflyButterflyFlag of United States Retweeted
Catherine Herridge@CBS_Herridge
·
1h
New: Chairman senate judiciary @LindseyGrahamSC announces former FBI Director Comey will testify, without a subpoena, September 30 + committee still negotiating with former deputy director McCabe + former FBI agent
@petestrzok who is on a publicity tour for his book. Graham said
Catherine Herridge@CBS_Herridge
·
1h
Replying to @CBS_Herridge
former Special Counsel Mueller “has declined the committee’s invitation to appear to explain his report. He says he doesn’t have enough time to prepare”
@CBSNews
Chairman Graham Announces Former FBI Director Comey to Testify
United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary
judiciary.senate.gov
https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/press/rep/releases/chairman-graham-announces-former-fbi-director-comey-to-testify

phoenixrising37

Flag of United StatesButterflyButterflyButterflyButterflyButterflyFlag of United States Retweeted
Charlie Kirk@charliekirk11
·
1h
Michelle Obama said she and Barack Obama “could’ve never gotten away with” what the Trump White House “gets away with”
Strange, coming from the ones who literally got away with:
Benghazi
Fast & Furious
IRS Targeting
SpyGate
The VA Scandal
The Hillary Email Scandal
Solyndra

ForGodandCountry
Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I’m laughing like Chewbacca!

Teagan

Yeah….how about the 26 staff Michelle had, the numerous trips with the daughters(Great Wall of China, anyone?), , going to Hawaii 17 days every Xmas they were in office and then Michelle staying an extra 5 days,
and taking another tax payer-funded plane home….trip to Spain on a “girls trip,”. annual ski trips with daughters (have they been back since leaving the WH?), flying to Oregon to watch her brother coach a college game, etc. Sure Michelle …do tell us more about how you and Barry didn’t get away with anything.

phoenixrising37

Sing it Tea !

realsauce

SHE and Barack? Funny way of putting it, didn’t know she was so involved in the administration

phoenixrising37

Amen…

TheseTruths

Michelle O filters everything through the prism of race, inaccurately. She wants us to think that a “black” president was held to stricter standards than others. It’s all about fomenting race divisions. She and O lead the way in that category because their goal is to “fundamentally transform” America — which means to destroy her.

phoenixrising37

Amen TheseTruths

phoenixrising37

Flag of United StatesButterflyButterflyButterflyButterflyButterflyFlag of United States Retweeted
Will Chamberlain@willchamberlain
·
1h
Chris Wray has been by far the worst appointment of the entire Trump administration

phoenixrising37

Who recommended Wray, you might ask?
Revealed: Former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie …
Search domain http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/05/revealed-former-new-jersey-governor-chris-christie-betrayed-president-trump-recommended-fbi-director-chris-wray/https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/05/revealed-former-new-jersey-governor-chris-christie-betrayed-president-trump-recommended-fbi-director-chris-wray/
That individual was former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie. At the 3:30 minute in the interview, DiGenova discusses corrupt cop Chris Wray. He also states that it was Chris Christie who recommended him. Christopher Wray is a card carrying member of the Deep State. DiGenova says that he was a Mueller and Comey protege.

Deplorable Patriot

Mmmm…Tom Price, Price Reibus, there have been a few others.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy
Deplorable Patriot

But, mail in voting is perfectly safe. /s

jamcooker
jamcooker
Gail Combs

I had trouble accessing that URL so here it is:

…The report, written by academics Murat Tınas and Ahmet Demirden and published by the Turkish National Police Academy (TNPA), said that the PKK terror group’s affiliates in Syria have recruited many western individuals from far-right and far-left organizations including Antifa groups operating in European countries, the U.S., Canada, and Australia.
“When the U.S. president announced that Antifa would be designated a terrorist organization, many turned their eyes to the controversial Antifa movements. Although Antifa and some of its members’ criminal acts terrorizing their societies may be a new phenomenon for many, they remain well known to those who have been monitoring the current developments related to terrorism in the Middle East,” the report underlined.
“First, having a far-left ideology, the PKK has easily penetrated into various leftist movements in western countries through its established transnational networks. Second, the PKK/YPG has also reinforced its units through far-right extremist foreigners and cooperated with far-right armed groups,” the report indicated.
.
.
Another important point of the report shows that terrorist groups attempt to justify their terror attacks by creating a narrative that portrays them as freedom fighters, anti-fascist, anti-authoritarian or anti-communists claiming to bring about justice by way of terrorism.
The report also emphasized the fact that when the flow of Foreign Terrorist Fighters (FTF) in YPG/PKK in Syria was reversed fighters returned to their home countries, the risk they posed became more evident.
“Regardless of their ideology or the groups they join, they can plan, direct or conduct terrorist attacks, create new terrorist organizations and radicalize and recruit new terrorists,” the report warned….

https://www.dailysabah.com/politics/war-on-terror/ypgpkk-recruited-foreign-fighters-from-antifa-groups-in-western-countries-report-says

jamcooker

Looks like I accidentally picked up the little block at the end -TY!

patfrederick

look who sobered up and joined the party…
Speaker Pelosi: “We support peaceful demonstrations. We participate in them. They are part of the essence of our democracy. That does not include looting, starting fires, or rioting. They should be prosecuted. That is lawlessness.” pic.twitter.com/Xq89RLR70f
— The Hill (@thehill) September 17, 2020

phoenixrising37

She been settin her glass down the internal polling reports… 😉
must have seen how bad the polls really are when she was refilling her glass Pat …

Cuppa Covfefe

Sounds like the Donkeys in white lab coats took her away and gave her a “bottle infrontofme” 😆

phoenixrising37

😉

patfrederick

LOL…but her hair looks nice…

Deplorable Patriot

I suspect she has one of these.
http://www.mdewet.co.za/img/Big%20Mouth%20Inc/BMWG-BELL.jpg
(There’s one in our china cabinet.)

phoenixrising37

love it… 😉

Deplorable Patriot

My $#!+ disturber of a brother thought our mom could use it. It’s never had a drop of wine in it.

phoenixrising37

😉

Concerned Virginian

Pelosi is just making sure she gets her voting base shored up.

TheseTruths

Pelosi’s words ring hollow because she is WAY late to the party.

Gail Combs

OVER 100 days late….
I guess she is not happy the White House Siege got canceled due to a lack of Cannon Fodder and guts.

🦋🤸‍♀️🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🤸‍♀️🦋

After $2 BILLION in damage she pipes up.🙄🙄

para59r

She’s just setting up to deal with the coming conservative back lash.

rayzorbak

4731
Sep 17, 2020 3:20:28 PM EDT
Q !!Hs1Jq13jV6 ID: 836ca2 No. 10683737
https://www.dailysabah.com/politics/war-on-terror/ypgpkk-recruited-foreign-fighters-from-antifa-groups-in-western-countries-report-says
Sometimes non_domestic sources of information provide a more accurate report.
Q
8m ago
8kun qresearch

duchess01

Treason
September 17, 2020
by Mike Whitney, The Unz Review
https://www.sgtreport.com/2020/09/treason/
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself.”
Marcus Tullius Cicero
The Transition Integrity Project (TIP) is a shadowy group of government, military and media elites who have concocted a plan to spread mayhem and disinformation following the November 3 presidential elections. The strategy takes advantage of the presumed delay in determining the winner of the upcoming election. (due to the deluge of mail-in votes.)
The interim period is expected to intensify partisan warfare creating the perfect environment for disseminating propaganda and inciting street violence. The leaders of TIP believe that a mass mobilization will help them to achieve what Russiagate could not, that is, the removal Donald Trump via an illicit coup conjured up by behind-the-scenes powerbrokers and their Democrat allies. Here’s a little more background from an article by Chris Farrell at the Gatestone Institute:

Dora

ForGodandCountry

Dan Coates = traitor to the USA

Deplorable Patriot

Yes. I wonder what sort of rat lines he exposed being DNI.

Gail Combs

A BIPARTISAN Commission??? You mean RINOS & DemonRats don’t you, you Son of a Syphilitic She Camel.

rayzorbak

4732
Sep 17, 2020 3:36:21 PM EDT
Q !!Hs1Jq13jV6 ID: 836ca2 No. 10684063
Sep 17, 2020 3:32:12 PM EDT
Anonymous ID: f56d11 No. 10683977
>>10683737
I’m not turning a blind-eye, I’m just waiting for justice to arrive! Let it be soon please!comment image
>>10683977
2m ago
8kun qresearch

ForGodandCountry

Ya don’t say!
Gee…thank God for this! No one here would have ever figured this out before now.
/S

rayzorbak

4733
Sep 17, 2020 3:41:33 PM EDT
Q !!Hs1Jq13jV6 ID: 836ca2 No. 10684168
Sep 17, 2020 3:38:25 PM EDT
Anonymous ID: 3bf604 No. 10684113
>>10684063
very reassuringcomment image
>>10684113
This should be also.
Q
3m ago
8kun qresearch

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Extremely interesting.

pgroup

We will lose the morality battle if our icons keep pandering to political queers.
[losing the morality battle = Sodom & Gomorrah]

Gail Combs

pgroup,
Do not forget that MANY if not MOST are gay because of abuse as youngsters.
Yes, Childhood Sexual Abuse Often Does Contribute to Homosexuality
https://stream.org/yes-childhood-sexual-abuse-often-contribute-homosexuality/

What do Anderson Cooper, Don Lemon, George Takei and Milo Yiannopoulos have in common? They are all out and proud gay men, and they were all sexually abused as underage minors. Sadly, this is an extremely common occurrence, as there is frequently a connection between childhood sexual abuse and adult homosexuality.
To say such a thing, of course, is to invite a hailstorm of fierce criticism and ridicule:….
it was no surprise when a 2009 report prepared for a bisexual health summit revealed that 74 percent of bisexuals had been sexually abused as children. (For other studies focusing specifically on the connection between childhood sexual abuse and homosexuality, see here.)
As for the notion that people are born gay, not only would that suggest that infants can relate to the concepts of sexual and romantic attraction (which they obviously cannot), but it would also ignore the fact that our upbringing and environment have profound effects on us. Why deny such an obvious reality?….

I rather go after the ROOT CAUSE — Sexual Abuse of children instead of bashing the victims. HOWEVER it should be treated as a form of mental illness (Like Alcoholics) and NOT a cause célèbre.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I think there is a balance somewhere in there, where tolerance is optimal. Sodom and Gomorrah are, however, real warnings.

phoenixrising37

Cuppa Covfefe

Wonder when the Awans (OK, they’re Pakis) are going to get sent up?????

phoenixrising37

I think Paul Ryan made sure that would never happen. At least I believe he promised Debbie what’s her name, ‘never’

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I believe you are trying to remember Debbie Washerwoman Schultz, but I really hope you don’t succeed.
😀

Cuppa Covfefe

Wasn’t that Debbie Waterbuffalo-Schultz?????

phoenixrising37

there you go Cuppa… made me smile again … thanks!

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Or maybe Debber Wasserman Positive Schultz.

Dora
Gail Combs

Rosa Koire is one of my favorite Democrats. She GETS IT!
One of her websites:
https://www.postsustainabilityinstitute.org/

phoenixrising37

The Library
The Director of the FBI is protecting #antifa #& #DSA
https://twitter.com/KarluskaP/status/1306605904742158336
Twitter
Karli 🇺🇸
You would almost think Antifa is being protected from being called domestic terrorists! #TheMoreYouKnow https://t.co/gfB0yxn5y8
23views
Harold Wren
,
16:06

ForGodandCountry

Clearly going out of his Wray to minimize the organization of these domestic terrorists.

phoenixrising37

Agree FG&C

para59r

Can’t get any plainer than this.
Wray speaking about BLM and Antifa: “We investigate the violence, we’re agnostic about the ideology, we don’t investigate the ideology…” ergo they are only concerned with the symptoms and not the cause and will let the problem fester and run its course, doing the bare minimum, while turning a blind eye to the objectives of BLM, Antifa and their masters, be they cabal, China or any of these other WEF like organizations that wish to end the American Experiment, trash the U.S. Constitution and usher in despotism. .
at the one minute mark.
https://twitter.com/KarluskaP/status/1306611963766534144?s=20

phoenixrising37

https://twitter.com/Frequency_ISBE/status/1306479874236964864?s=20
FreQuency is EVERYTHING@Frequency_ISBE
·
13h
When slavery becomes “The new normal” 😢
Haven’t we tortured our children enough❓
Shame on the parents allowing this❗️#SaveTheChildren #SaveOurChildren
Zoe what follows is a photo of perhaps 6/7 y/o school children, all wearing masks, holding onto a rope, knotted every six feet… lined up outside…

mollypitcher5
LM

Their defeated body language says so much. 😢

duchess01

ForGodandCountry

I keep wondering Barr’s DOJ is on these matters.
Like trying to spot a wild snow leopard.

duchess01

AG Barr knows more than meets the eye – imho – he has been around a long time.

Deplorable Patriot

realsauce DID post this, but it was on yesterday’s thread. So, here’s an assist.
4734
Sep 17, 2020 4:40:53 PM EDT
Q !!Hs1Jq13jV6 ID: e03d53 No. 10685190
Focus on content [information].
Research for yourself.
gatekeeper
noun
a person that controls access, as to information, often acting as an arbiter of quality or legitimacy:
an open internet allows innovators to bypass traditional gatekeepers and promote their work on its own merit.
a guardian; monitor
Deploy camouflage.
Drop all references re: ‘Q’ ‘Qanon’ etc. to avoid ban/termination _censorship install.
Algos [sniffers] bypass.
Keep charging, Midnight Riders!
[Revere’s ‘Midnight’ Ride]
Delivery of free-information.
[bypass controlled media narrative].
Q

Deplorable Patriot
realsauce

ThanQ

Deplorable Patriot

NP. That’s one of the advantages of being the author. The notifications come in from everywhere.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I remember there was some discussion of the meaning of Midnight Riders before.
Some thought it was a reference to Paul Revere.
Some thought it might be a reference to the KKK.
Looks like we have our clarification.

realsauce

4735
Sep 17, 2020 5:01:35 PM EDT
Q !!Hs1Jq13jV6 ID: 30d223 No. 10685503
Sep 17, 2020 4:53:13 PM EDT
Anonymous ID: 72c6aa No. 10685374
(Pb Q) >>10685190
If somebody comes to accept a truth or swallow a redpill without knowing it was associated with Q, then they do so unpolluted by media bias re: “QAnon.” Bypass prejudice. Makes sense.
That’s what Anon was all about, right? Nobody cares about ranks or names or upvotes or e-stardom. The content of your posts should speak for itself. Ideas.
>>10685374

rayzorbak

4735
Sep 17, 2020 5:01:35 PM EDT
Q !!Hs1Jq13jV6 ID: 30d223 No. 10685503
Sep 17, 2020 4:53:13 PM EDT
Anonymous ID: 72c6aa No. 10685374
(Pb Q) >>10685190
If somebody comes to accept a truth or swallow a redpill without knowing it was associated with Q, then they do so unpolluted by media bias re: “QAnon.” Bypass prejudice. Makes sense.
That’s what Anon was all about, right? Nobody cares about ranks or names or upvotes or e-stardom. The content of your posts should speak for itself. Ideas.
>>10685374
2m ago
8kun qresearch

rayzorbak

4736
Sep 17, 2020 5:02:29 PM EDT
Q !!Hs1Jq13jV6 ID: 30d223 No. 10685518
RIG FOR RED.
Q
1m ago
8kun qresearch

ForGodandCountry

Have we reached a consensus or known understanding of this term…
…beyond the traditional military “prepare for nighttime operations” meaning?
Also, do we have a time est. associated with this? I mean, if “Rig for red” means “expected enemy action is imminent”, within how many hours or days?

rayzorbak

IDK buddy

itswoot

“Have we reached a consensus or known understanding of this term…”
Possibly involves the use of a red storm warning flag(s) commonly flown near large bodies of water. A means of warning.
Watch the water???comment imagecomment image

itswoot
phoenixrising37

Silent running…
Stealth mode.
For Cue, could be a message to anons that “covert operations commencing”
will be silent for a while

Teagan

Sadly, for us, Praying Medic says that our Alphabet Friend usually goes silent for deveral days after the rig message. On the move….

rayzorbak

We’ve waited for 4 years so far…….
A few more days won’t kill us 🙂

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

He can be as silent as he wants…so long as stuff is happening somewhere!

Gail Combs

Rig for Red Something that Q says right before some serious sh*t is about to go down.
Source: Q Drop # 3574 qanon.pub. Q SENT ME – 8 November 2019: 2: 8 1.
Rig For Red.
Used in submarines, to ensure all interior lighting is red and of low intensity so as to preserve night vision. See “Darken Ship”.
(Stolen from the internet)

realsauce

4736
Sep 17, 2020 5:02:29 PM EDT
Q !!Hs1Jq13jV6 ID: 30d223 No. 10685518
RIG FOR RED.
Q

realsauce

….because its RIGGED for blue

realsauce

Leaving for dinner…Q handoff

ForGodandCountry

Wictor with another amazing thread…🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1306660924934119424.html

nikkichico7

TY FG&C … love Carlo’s posts, they help a lot .. 🙂🇺🇸❤️🇺🇸 ..

Teagan

Great story about the WWII pilot….

nikkichico7

Oh absolutely … that was really phenomenal .. 🤨👍😉🤚🇺🇸❤️🇺🇸 ..

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

That was fun, I had never seen that particular compilation of election night anguish before! I was just having a conversation with an internet-challenged deplorable about those videos the other night, too.

trumpismine

trumpismine

trumpismine

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bakocarl

More proof that we’ve been sold a pig in a poke –
Estimation of Individual Probabilities of COVID-19 Infection, Hospitalization, and Death From A County-level Contact of Unknown infection Status
View ORCID ProfileRajiv Bhatia, Jeffrey Klausner
doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.06.06.20124446
This article reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice.
Abstract
Abstract Objective: Our objective is to demonstrate a method to estimate the probability of a laboratory confirmed COVID19 infection, hospitalization, and death arising from a contact with an individual of unknown infection status.
Methods: We calculate the probability of a confirmed infection, hospitalization, and death resulting from a county-level person-contact using available data on current case incidence, secondary attack rates, infectious periods, asymptomatic infections, and ratios of confirmed infections to hospitalizations and fatalities.
Results: Among US counties with populations greater than 500,000 people, during the week ending June 13,2020, the median estimate of the county level probability of a confirmed infection is 1 infection in 40,500 person contacts (Range: 10,100 to 586,000). For a 50 to 64 year-old individual, the median estimate of the county level probability of a hospitalization is 1 in 709,000 person contacts (Range: 177,000 to 10,200,000) and the median estimate of the county level probability of a fatality is 1 in 6,670,000 person contacts (Range 1,680,000 to 97,600.000).
*https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.06.20124446v2

trumpismine

Deplorable Patriot

Willingly. Interesting.

trumpismine

Nail in the coffin
James Comey
@Comey
·
Sep 25, 2019
Some media are quoting me from last week about my hope that America will remove Donald Trump by an election, not Impeachment. But we may now be at the point where members of the House and Senate can’t uphold their own oaths to support and defend the Constitution without acting.

pgroup

He’s trembling with fear.
I’m cheering with joy.

duchess01
phoenixrising37

Poso Retweeted
Donald Trump Jr.@DonaldJTrumpJr
·
26m
We need every Trump supporter across the country to go to http://ArmyForTrump.com today and sign up to join us in our fight to reelect @realDonaldTrump. Let’s show the Fake News media and the radical leftwing Democrats that the silent majority will be silent no more!!! #MAGA

trumpismine

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trumpismine

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Bob Woodward’s badly written book is very boring & totally “obsolete”. Didn’t even talk about the recent Middle East deal. Just another tired, washed up Trump Hater, who can’t stand that I have done so much, so quickly! #MAGA

phoenixrising37
trumpismine
ForGodandCountry

First class guy.
First thing he does is turn left to personally go say hi to the flight crew and get a brief before going back to his spaces in the mid-cabin.
The BOSS.

Deplorable Patriot

And he has no problem carrying his own umbrella.
Even the Queen of England carries her own umbrella, unlike BO.

Gail Combs

Brian Cates has been busy.
New thread:

Take a few minutes and read this important @LeeSmithDC column in @tabletmag.
The Washington establishment’s “China Class” has now been completely exposed. Let’s all help destroy that class together! 😀

America’s China Class Launches a New War Against Trump
The corporate, tech, and media elites will not allow the president to come between them and Chinese money
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/americas-china-class-fights-trump

The tag line is succinct:
“The corporate, tech, and media elites will not allow…[P]resident [Trump] to come between them and Chinese money.”
Lee nailed it here.comment image
I wrote a column last year in which I laid this out. How far does the CCP’s economic reach now extend?
Far enough for **U.S.** companies to now run their operations as if **they are extensions of the CCP regime itself**.
From just under a year ago:

Who Doesn’t See the China Threat at This Point?
https://www.theepochtimes.com/who-doesnt-see-the-china-threat-at-this-point_3122768.html

Just about the **only** silver lining of this COVID pandemic is that the “China Class” foreign agents literally outed themselves rushing to defend the honor of the vile CCP regime.
When you follow the money, you see why many US companies today may as well be inside China.comment image
Yup.
How many of you knew this about Mattis?comment image
Remember what I’ve been saying since the Israel/Arab neighbors peace deals started being rolled out?
A whole lot of people with a VESTED INTEREST in maintaining the current size of the US military’s international footprint DO NOT LIKE where this is headed.comment image

NEVER FORGET a small core group of financial institutions CONTROL THE INTERNATIONAL CORPORATIONS!
The Network of Global Corporate Control
*https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0025995#pone.0025995.s001
“…we find that only 737 top holders accumulate 80% of the control over the value of all TNCs (Trans-National Corporations)…”
…In general, 49 mutual funds, identified by the NACE code 6714, are among the 737 top
power-holders…

Table S1. Top 50 control-holders. Shareholders are ranked by network control (according to the
threshold model, TM). Column indicate country, NACE industrial sector code, actor’s position in the
bow-tie sections, cumulative network control. Notice that NACE code starting with 65,66,67 belong to
the financial sector.
Rank, Economic actor name, Country
1 BARCLAYS PLC GB
2 CAPITAL GROUP COMPANIES INC, THE US
3 FMR CORP US
4 AXA FR
5 STATE STREET CORPORATION US
6 JPMORGAN CHASE & CO. US
7 LEGAL & GENERAL GROUP PLC GB
8 VANGUARD GROUP, INC., THE US
9 UBS AG CH
10 MERRILL LYNCH & CO., INC. US
11 WELLINGTON MANAGEMENT CO. L.L.P. US 6
12 DEUTSCHE BANK AG
13 FRANKLIN RESOURCES, INC. US
14 CREDIT SUISSE GROUP CH
15 WALTON ENTERPRISES LLC US
16 BANK OF NEW YORK MELLON CORP. US
17 NATIXIS FR
18 GOLDMAN SACHS GROUP, INC., THE US
19 T. ROWE PRICE GROUP, INC. US
20 LEGG MASON, INC. US
21 MORGAN STANLEY US
22 MITSUBISHI UFJ FINANCIAL GROUP, INC. JP
23 NORTHERN TRUST CORPORATION US
24 SOCIET´ E G ´ EN´ ERALE ´ FR
25 BANK OF AMERICA CORPORATION US
26 LLOYDS TSB GROUP PLC GB
27 INVESCO PLC GB
28 ALLIANZ SE DE
29 TIAA US
30 OLD MUTUAL PUBLIC LIMITED COMPANY GB
31 AVIVA PLC GB
32 SCHRODERS PLC GB
33 DODGE & COX US
34 LEHMAN BROTHERS HOLDINGS, INC. US
35 SUN LIFE FINANCIAL, INC. CA
36 STANDARD LIFE PLC GB
37 CNCE FR
38 NOMURA HOLDINGS, INC. JP
39 THE DEPOSITORY TRUST COMPANY US
40 MASSACHUSETTS MUTUAL LIFE INSUR. US
41 ING GROEP N.V. NL
42 BRANDES INVESTMENT PARTNERS, L.P. US
43 UNICREDITO ITALIANO SPA IT
44 DEPOSIT INSURANCE CORPORATION OF JP JP
45 VERENIGING AEGON NL
46 BNP PARIBAS FR
47 AFFILIATED MANAGERS GROUP, INC. US
48 RESONA HOLDINGS, INC. JP
49 CAPITAL GROUP INTERNATIONAL, INC. US
50 CHINA PETROCHEMICAL GROUP CO. CN
*https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/file?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0025995.s001&type=supplementary

bakocarl

1st time I’ve seen this. Pedo Joe is groping for the sympathy vote bringing the death of Beau into the picture with suitably emotion soliciting photographs, to shill for the return of Obozocare.

bakocarl

Sorry. Didn’t mention that this was a political ad on Hallmark Channel.

para59r

Speaking of Pedo Joe and groping. Haven’t seen this one. Biden is talking n the middle of a small social gathering and the picture catches the exact moment that he puts his hand around the waist of an unsuspecting woman, resting it on a her belly. The look on the woman’s face is one of total surprise if not repressed shock complete with bulging eyes, as she likely realizes who the causal guy standing behind her is thus dares not speak out, but instead freezes in place.

phoenixrising37
phoenixrising37

BOOM… BOOM… BOOM…
Julian’s Rum 🥃 Retweeted
InEviTable@Existential2020
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Oh. My. Goooooodness.
TRUMP!!!!!!!!!
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NEW: Palestinian Authority Social Affairs Minister Ahmed Majdalani says Oman, Sudan, Comoros, Djibouti and Mauritania are engaged in normalization discussions with Israel.

Gail Combs

Above thread was
*https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1306288874684116997.html
A second Brian Cates thread. This time on SPY-GATE! It has info I did not know!
*https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1306303559810584577.html

A whole lot of people get SpyGate stuff wrong because they don’t know the timeline of the actual events.
So here’s a handy reference you can use:

INFOGRAPHIC: Timeline of FBI’s FISA Abuse in Trump Campaign Investigation
In its pursuit of establishing surveillance on the Trump campaign, the FBI turned its attention to Trump campaign …
*https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/infographic-timeline-of-fbis-fisa-abuse-in-trump-campaign-investigation_3342965.html

Given to what’s coming, I want to draw your attention to THESE two events that occurred in early March, 2016.comment image
THIS got memory-holed. But pay attention. There will be a quiz later.comment image
Remember what I’ve said repeatedly about the **cover story** that was being engineered to **explain** where the bogus Steele Dossier information actually came from.
The cover story is: from friendly allied **intelligence agencies**.comment image
We now know this was wrong. Early on all the investigations of Trump-campaign related people such as Carter Page, General Flynn, George Papadopoulos and Paul Manafort started as criminal FARA investigations, not a counterintelligence probe.comment image
Actually a criminal FARA investigation.
Later on, it became necessary for the SpyGate plotters to begin claiming that Crossfire Hurricane was **always** a counterintelligence investigation started by “Intelligence” they received from “allied intel severices”.comment image
Another important date to remember.comment image
Yeah. Durham’s wrapped.
That’s why they are issuing the subpoenas now.

Senate Homeland Security Committee authorizes subpoenas for testimony from Obama officials as part of Russia probe
The Senate Homeland Security Committee on Wednesday voted to authorize subpoenas for former CIA Director John Brennan, former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, former FBI Director James…
*https://www.foxnews.com/politics/senate-homeland-security-committee-authorizes-subpoenas-for-testimony-from-obama-officials-as-part-of-russia-probe

I’ve had to endlessly explain this for going on 2 years now:
While the investigation is ongoing, you wouldn’t learn anything from subpoenaing these goons because they’d do what COMEY & STRZOK & Mueller did when they testified.
How many times did you want to hear over and over “I’m sorry I cannot answer that question because the matter is currently under investigation by the Dept. of Justice” or the dozen of variations to that?
Because THAT’S what you would have heard before now.

phoenixrising37
TheseTruths

“Try to provide an honest accounting” is an immediate red flag. You either state things honestly, or you don’t. I see no need to “try”; just do it.
And if you’re being honest, you don’t have to state that you are. He could have said, “In this book, I provide my accounting of my presidency, the forces we grapple with…”

ForGodandCountry

Bingo.
Nice summary of the weasel-speak.

phoenixrising37

Right TheseTruths…

phoenixrising37

Julian’s Rum Tumbler glass@JuliansRum
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Rig for Rain…
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BREAKING: White House siege canceled due to the rain
Apparently all it took to stop the people’s revolution was some drip droppy sky water
The “resistance” apparently forgot to add “water resistance” to their arsenal
Show this thread

Gail Combs
SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

On that last thread, someone has put together a collage of the rogues galllery of deep staters…and about half of them have really good “oh oh!” looks on their faces.

realsauce

The end of Cates Color Revolution thread….
So relax.
Put your feet up.
Take some deep breaths.
Let go of your anxiety.
Enjoy the show.
/end
ENJOY THE SHOW….yea, I think Brian is beginning to get it…
their are no coincidences….

Sadie Slays

Word on social media is that there are delays getting Biden yard signs out to people. To me, it’s more proof that this is all for show and they aren’t actually campaigning. Either because they know they can’t win, or because they believe they have this election secured through fraud/legal maneuvering and they don’t need to worry about signs.comment image

kalbokalbs

Ground report northern NV.
Today,
– Saw two road side kiosks selling Trump gear. Carson City and Dayton.
– One Joe N Hoe sign. Someone placed at least three Trump Pence stickers on the sign. And a car with Joe N Hoe sticker.

Sadie Slays

” Joe N Hoe”
LOL

phoenixrising37

Senate Cloakroom@SenateCloakroom
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Confirmed, 77-14: Executive Calendar #814 Iain D. Johnston to be U.S. District Judge for the Northern District of Illinois.

Sadie Slays

In other news, I got my FIFTH unsolicited mail-in ballot application in the mail today. This was after they sent unsolicited text messages hounding me to send back the completed mail-in application, and I responded with very strong language telling them they’re a bunch of rotten cheaters who need to leave me alone.
It makes me sick watching this slow-moving trainwreck and being powerless to stop it. How can people be so brainwashed to believe mail-in voting is a good idea? Even if you don’t believe in “conspiracy theories,” why even trust your ballot to the post office or dropbox. Oh, it makes me so mad.

ForGodandCountry

Relax.
POTUS as got this.
It’s safe to trust and believe.

phoenixrising37

Senate Cloakroom@SenateCloakroom
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Vote Scheduled: At 5:30 pm on Monday, September 21st, the Senate will proceed to a vote on the motion to invoke cloture on Executive Calendar #603 Edward Hulvey Meyers to be a Judge of the U.S. Court of Federal Claims for a term of fifteen years.
Senate Cloakroom@SenateCloakroom
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Leader McConnell has filed cloture on Executive Calendar #815 Roderick C. Young to be U.S. District Judge for the Eastern District of Virginia.
Senate Cloakroom@SenateCloakroom
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Leader McConnell has filed cloture on Executive Calendar #588 John Charles Hinderaker to be U.S. District Judge for the District of Arizona.
Senate Cloakroom@SenateCloakroom
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Leader McConnell has filed cloture on Executive Calendar #709 Keith E. Sonderling to be a Member of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission for a term expiring July 1, 2024.
@USEEOC
Senate Cloakroom@SenateCloakroom
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Leader McConnell has filed cloture on Executive Calendar #708 Jocelyn Samuels to be a Member of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission for a term expiring July 1, 2021.
@USEEOC
Senate Cloakroom@SenateCloakroom
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Leader McConnell has filed cloture on Executive Calendar #706 Andrea R. Lucas to be a Member of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission for a term expiring July 1, 2025.
@USEEOC
Senate Cloakroom@SenateCloakroom
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Leader McConnell has filed cloture on Executive Calendar #603 Edward Hulvey Meyers to be a Judge of the U.S. Court of Federal Claims for a term of fifteen years.

phoenixrising37

shipwreckedcrew@shipwreckedcrew
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He was only in that position because of Pence, and Trump should not forget that when it comes to Pence.
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Absolutely twitter.com/warroompandemi…

phoenixrising37

speaking of Dan Coats…

trumpismine

ForGodandCountry

Ouch.
Now THAT is a bitch slap.

Gail Combs

Thread by Carlos on Social Security and much more.
*https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1306322855211094017.html

THREAD
Okay. Last night I cracked the code for Social Security.
I did it for YOU and for @realDonaldTrump.
This thread is the definitive PURELY FACTUAL primer.
@TrumpWarRoom needs to take note of this video:
*

Biden loves the troops SO MUCH that he and his people let the flag TOUCH THE FLOOR.
Look at the fringe of the flag between the two Masketeers.comment image
The only thing I’m going to address is Biden’s LIE that Trump will get rid of Social Security.
First debunking:

Biden’s False Attacks on Trump’s Social Security ‘Plan’
A Biden campaign TV ad falsely claims that a government analysis of President Donald Trump’s “planned cuts to Social Security” shows that “if Trump gets his way, Social Security benefits will run out …
*https://www.factcheck.org/2020/09/bidens-false-attacks-on-trumps-social-security-plan/

Second debunking:

Fact check: President Trump has not said he will terminate Social Security
Posts claim the president will end Social Security if he is reelected. Trump said he will terminate the tax that funds it, but not the program itself.
*https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/15/fact-check-donald-trump-hasnt-said-he-terminate-social-security/3343439001/

Now, THIS is where the FACTUAL information became almost impossible to find, since there’s no such thing as unbiased reporting on Social Security.
BUT I FOUND TRUMP’S SOLUTION.
He hasn’t announced it, because it’ll blew everybody’s mind, and he NEVER gives advanced warning.
First, we’ll assume that everybody knows what Social Security is.
How is it funded?

What are the Social Security trust funds, and how are they financed?
There are two Social Security trust funds: Old-Age and Survivors Insurance (OASI) and Disability Insurance (DI), though the two are often analyzed together as Old-Age,…
*https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/what-are-social-security-trust-funds-and-how-are-they-financed

“Social Security trust funds provide cash benefits for the elderly and disabled as well as for their spouses and dependents. They are funded chiefly through payroll taxes.”
Trump says he wants to ELIMINATE payroll taxes.
WHY?
“Because the employer portion of the tax raises the cost of hiring workers, economists believe that this tax is passed on to workers in the form of lower compensation. Thus, workers effectively bear the entire tax.”
(See previous link “What are the Social Security trust funds, and how are they financed?”)
Workers pay both income tax AND the entire payroll tax, and the payroll tax means lower wages. It’s ANOTHER incentive for American companies to go overseas.
But payroll taxes comprise a WHOPPING 36 percent of the federal revenue stream–money going into federal coffers.
This illustration is accurate.
I confirmed it with government figures.comment image
Trump wants to eliminate 36 percent of the federal revenue stream!
WHAT THE HELL IS HE THINKING?!
I’ll get back to that.
Next:
Trump wants to REPLACE payrolls taxes with financing from the general fund.
TRY AND FIND THE REVENUE SOURCES FOR THE GENERAL FUND.
Here’s the DEFINITION of the general fund:
fiscal.treasury.gov/general-fund/
But they don’t give you a clear, simple answer about where the money comes from.
NOBODY DOES.
When you use search engines, all you get is bitching about how states aren’t getting enough money for their pork projects.
(Twitter is working at a frenzied rate to try and stop me from posting the factual information about this. Bear with me. Their making my tweets appear in old threads.)
FINALY, I found a clear, simple explanation of the general fund’s financing.
FROM THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.
Of course.
“The general fund is the largest fund in the Government and it receives all collections not dedicated for some other fund, including virtually all income taxes and many excise taxes.”
*https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/ap_27_funds-fy2020.pdf
“An excise tax is a legislated tax on specific goods or services at purchase such as fuel, tobacco, and alcohol.
“A federal excise tax is usually collected from motor fuel sales, airline tickets, tobacco, and other goods and services. Excise taxes are primarily for businesses.”

Excise Tax Definition
An excise tax is an indirect tax charged by the government on the sale of a particular good or service.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/e/excisetax.asp

SO HOW WILL TRUMP REPLENISH THE GENERAL FUND AND SAVE SOCIAL SECURITY?
Two ways.
But first!
The Social Security Trust Funds are already doomed.
EVERYONE agrees.

The Social Security Trust Fund Will Run Out of Money by 2035
Social Security benefits will start to exceed the program’s costs in 2020, and the program will deplete its $2.9 trillion reserve fund in 2035, according to the latest figures from the program’s trust…
*https://www.barrons.com/articles/social-security-deficit-reserves-check-benefits-payroll-tax-51555958282

No amount of raising taxes for save it.
And here’s where Trump plan comes in.
His Fiscal Year 2020 budget tells us the first prong in what will be AT LEAST a two-pronged strategy.
“A BUDGET FOR A BETTER AMERICA.”
*https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/budget-fy2020.pdf
The first prong is to make the US the most business-friendly country in the world.
You LOWER individual and corporate taxes while creating VASTLY BIGGER tax bases.
Instead of HALF of all Americans not paying taxes, you get them MORE MONEY, and it becomes taxable.
But the tax RATES are low.
California has a SUICIDAL tax system.
It depends on the rich always MAKING money.
When the economy goes south, the rich stop MAKING money, and California’s revenue streams STOP.
The rich aren’t Scrooge McDuck, with a huge pile of cash sitting idle.
CASH LOSES VALUE.
Inflation goes up faster than bank interest rates, so money in the bank LOSES VALUE.
BUT.
The federal government can RETRAIN ITSELF to use the vagaries of free-market capitalism.
Taxation alone DOESN’T WORK.
Trump is getting rid of red tape and regulations designed to siphon of money from all of us.
Even though taxes are LOWERED, the government is taxing a MASSIVE economy.
So that’s the first prong.
The second prong is WILDLY RADICAL.
It’s called “spinning in.”
*https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/insights/us/articles/5122_what-government-can-learn-from-venture-capital/DI_what-government-can-learn-from-venture-capital.pdf
In the past, consumer products “spun OFF” from government projects.
The government made the technology FIRST, and then WE got it.
By REVERSING the process, the government can–for the first time in human history–CREATE CAPITAL.
Wealth. Moolah.
Traditionally, the private sector creates capital, and the government destroys it by taking it and using it.
There’s absolutely no doubt whatsoever that the Trump public-private initiatives will lead to government venture capitalism and other revenue-creating operations.
I TOLD you that Trump is the most radical politician who ever lived.
His plan is to PERMANENTLY CHANGE the fundamental role of government by created unity between the public and private section that CAN’T BE DISSOLVED BY SUCCESSORS.
My guess is that the Pentagon, for example, will become essentially self-funding.
See, here’s the built-in problem with the current system:
Politicians BRIBE the voters with pork, shake down corporations, extort the private sector, and enrich themselves.
Lawmakers write the laws governing their own behavior, so they aren’t accountable.
Lobbyists bribe politicians to destroy competitors and get special treatment.
“Special interests” buy politicians.
And politicians steer lucrative government contracts to their spouses.
Trump plans to eliminate that.
He’ll have the House and the Senate to pass his reforms.
And at the end of his second term, he’ll have revolutionized the government in such a way that it will never be changed.
Of course oversight is needed.
Self-funding departments and agencies will be required to report regularly to investigative bodies.
But the abuses will be eliminated.
AND.
I’m sure Trump has ideas that we can’t even conceive.
So THAT is the plan.
Now you know the INARGUABLE DEFINITIONS of everything being discussed, and you understand that Trump plans on changing EVERYTHING.
Biden?
Come on.
He’s already said that he plans on eliminating shareholder capitalism and chasing all corporations out of the US.
THAT ALONE will destroy us.
Knowledge is power.
Now you KNOW how all of this works.
And now you can make informed decisions.
CALM informed decisions.

phoenixrising37

Margot Cleveland@ProfMJCleveland
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I’m thinking @LindseyGrahamSC should call for an investigation of @SenKamalaHarris for her attempt to interfere in 2020 election by calling for an investigation of the investigation into the investigation of Trump.

Sadie Slays

Quality thread about Twitter “camouflauge” and hijacking Twitter trends to successfully beat the censors.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/276018459/

Gudthots

Just the kind of tactics Wolf has advocated.
Nice.

trumpismine

phoenixrising37

https://x22report.com/the-patriots-are-taking-back-the-country-the-corn-moon-rig-for-red-episode-2279/
The country is in an economic battle, the [CB]/[DS] wants the control back, the patriots have taken it away from them. Trump is continually putting back in the pockets of the people, he understands that its the people should benefit. The WTO is now in the crosshairs, Trump moves in. The [DS]/MSM narrative is lost, the riots are out of hand, the people see it, the virus is falling apart, the people see the truth, the threat is the [DS]/MSM. The patriots are now in the process of taking back the country, nothing can stop this, nothing. Today is Constitution and the patriots are now removing the 1619 project and putting in the 1776 commission to teach American values. Rig for red, the patriots are about to surface.

Deplorable Patriot

ForGodandCountry

Brilliantly enraging.

TheseTruths

That was great! It illustrates stark contrasts in a humorous way.

Deplorable Patriot

Uh-oh. And Halloween is on a Saturday this year.

Gail Combs

There are three more Carlos Threads (FG&C posted a link to one)
This is the thread on SPACE FORCE and Arab/Israel peace.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1306429646649450497.html

A long time coming: SPACE FORCE.
But first, @realDonaldTrump said today that we all need to vote in person.
I’ll show you him saying that, and then I’ll get into Space Force (USSF).comment image
[Trump Utube]
*

We did it World War I.
We did it in World War II.
Today Orange County opened a used-car lot for EARLY IN-PERSON VOTING.
Vote in person, or vote by absentee ballot delivered IN PERSON to the country registrar.
Now:
United State Space Force.
Idiots laugh at it.
Guess what they don’t know?
It was created on…September 1, 1982.
Air Force Space Command (AFSPC).
US Space Force became an INDEPENDENT BRACH OF SERVICE on December 20, 2019.
The US Air Force (USAF) became an independent branch of service on September 18, 1947.
Before THAT, it was the US Army Air Forces (USAAF).
The laughing idiots don’t see something that’s screaming, “HELLO?” right into their faces.
Why do PARTS of service branches become INDEPENDENT service branches?
Because of massively expanded capabilities beyond the knowledge and training bases of the original service heads.
US Space Force has two functions:
1. Provide freedom of operation for the United States in, from, and to space.
2. Provide prompt and sustained space operations.
To fulfill these two functions, the US Space Force has three duties:
1. Protect the interests of the United States in space.
2. Deter aggression in, from, and to space.
3. Conduct space operations
US Space Force released its doctrine on August 10, 2020.
1. Preserve freedom of action.
2. Enable joint lethality and effectiveness.
3. Provide independent options.
USSF has five “core competencies”:
1. space security
2. combat power projection
3. space mobility and logistics
4. information mobility
5. space domain awareness.
*https://www.spaceforce.mil/Portals/1/Space%20Capstone%20Publication_10%20Aug%202020.pdf
What US Space Force does is protect the space domain for all American civil and military usage, protect all American civil and military communications system that encroach into space, and monitor all aggressor movements that use the space domain.
USSF is also capable of conducting independent combat operations.
Defensive operations protect our capabilities from attack.
Offensive operations reduce the effectiveness and lethality of adversary forces across all domains.
AND THERE YOU HAVE IT.
Three simple words:
“Across all domains.”
And THAT, my friends, means Rods From God and other forms of kinetic bombardment.
Hypersonic munitions that are essentially guided meteorites.
Sci-fi writer and space-weapons technologist Jerry Pournelle conceived of Rods From God in 1949.
Here’s a good article.

Rods From God: A Space Weapon to Make Thor Jealous – InsideHook
The idea is as effective as it is simple: What if a military could harness the power of a meteorite?
*https://www.insidehook.com/article/military/rods-god-space-weapon-make-thor-jealous

People are BLIND.
Rods From God have been used in combat.
This is without question kinetic bombardment.
*

The way we know is that the debris towers rose FASTER than the fireball.comment image
THIS is an underground weapon deport being destroyed with conventional munitions.
*

All the “sparkles” are warheads exploding.
Fireball only, no debris towers.
Debris towers rising FASTER than a fireball is the signature of kinetic bombardment.
NO warhead on the munition.
Pure kinetic energy transfer.comment image
Note the sparkles at Faj Attan.
The reason that there are far fewer is that the heat incinerated the warheads before they could even explode.comment image
Now, at least 40 cameras were prepositioned to catch this explosion.
That means A WARNING WAS GIVEN.
There’s no other reason for so many cameras to be aimed at an empty hillside PRIOR to the first combat usage of Rods From God.
The Faj Attan explosion was on April 20, 2015.
Hitler’s birthday.
That was an Iranian weapon deport.
This was a Gulf Arab gift to Israel for creating the designs that the Gulf Cooperation Council funded.
The Gulf Arabs are now as technologically advanced as Israel.
And don’t warn me about anything.
The Israelis have personnel stationed in Arab military headquarters, monitoring things.
And there’s no doubt that the transparency is one-sided.
The Israelis are not required to put Gulf Arabs in THEIR headquarters.
The Omani foreign minister had said publicly that it’s the responsibility of Arab country to prove THEMSELVES trustworthy to Israel, not the other way around.
In the next video, Air-Ground Control (as heard in another video) is a non-native speaker of English.
We have an Arab speaking English to Control, and Control replying in English. On September 1, 2015, the only people fighting in Yemen–officially–were Arabs.
The Arab voice speaks to Air-Ground Control in English AND to Arab superiors in Arabic, and asks, “Copy, Control?”
Control: “Copy, copy.
Arab: “There is no ammunition.”
Control: “No ammunition, no other, uh, balls, right?”
Arab: “I still have, uh, missiles.”
I’m told that the Arab superiors tell the Arab voice to fire the missiles because they won’t be wasted.
*

Since the Arab voice is repeating himself in both Arabic and English, and since his superiors give him the orders, Air-Ground Control is there in a technical capacity.
My guess is he’s an Israeli.
But he wasn’t engaging in combat.
We don’t know what Israeli air-ground control capabilities are.
But the reason the Gulf Arabs and others are normalizing relations with Israel is that they TRUST the Israelis.
And WE benefit from all of this.
People ask what we get out of our alliances with Israel.
Tulsi Gabbard said that the Saudis aren’t our real allies.
She said we need to cut relations with Saudi Arabia and ally with…Bashar al-Assad.
You know why we never confronted Iran and Syria before?
Because the State Department said we needed them for the Middle East peace process.
Both Republican and Democratic presidents followed that advice.
Guess who paid for that folly with their lives and limbs?comment image
Syria and Iran are state sponsors of terrorism.
Tulsi Gabbard–who claims to care about her “fellow troops”–says we should ally with the guy who had al-Qaeda training camps in his country to go into Iraq and kill Americans.
Gabbard said Trump was leading us to war with Iran.
She’s a de facto agent of Iran.

Gabbard blasts Iran strike: ‘Trump’s actions are an act of war’
Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii) ripped President Trump for approving an airstrike against Iran’s top general, calling the attack “an act of war.”
*https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/476743-gabbard-blasts-iran-strike-trumps-actions-are-an-act-of-war

How anyone could support her is beyond me.
It makes me puke that she calls herself a combat veteran.
She was given the Combat Medic Badge as a participation award.
“On or after 18 September 2001-Medical personnel assigned or attached to or under operational control of any ground Combat Arms units (to include members assigned or attached to combat Aviation units) of brigade or smaller size…”
“…who satisfactorily perform medical duties while the unit is engaged in active ground combat, provided they are personally present and under fire.”
*https://www.hrc.army.mil/content/Combat%20Medical%20Badge%20CMB
She was a HEADQUARTERS CLERK in C Company, 29th Brigade Support Battalion, Hawaii Army National Guard.
Her company went with the 29th Infantry Brigade Combat Team to Iraq in 2004. She was stationed at the gigantic Anaconda Logistical Support Area.comment image
From 2003, insurgents fired several mortar rounds and rockets per day.
They usually hit the empty space between the runways.
I can’t find any evidence of Gabbard’s unit suffering any casualties during her time in Iraq, but I could be wrong.
When she was running for president, her people planted stories of her “legendary courage” going “outside the wire” on patrol.
SHE WAS A CLERK.
The point is, we dodged a bullet.
She would’ve been YET ANOTHER Iranian agent in Washington.
I told everyone a long time ago that we would never go to war against Iran.
And Qassem Soleimani was a one of the most savage terrorists of all time.
“At fifty, everyone has the face he deserves.”
–George Orwell
[Photo Soleimani}
He LOOKED like a demon because he WAS a demon.
Americans ENABLED Iran from 1979 onward.
Trump backed out of the fray and let the region take take of the problem.
We helped when asked.
Our reward was…US Space Force.
Among too many other things to count.
The Saudis aren’t our allies?
They’re only the greatest allies we’ve ever had.
Israel is a fine ally, but every now and then, leftists take over.
The Saudis are totally consistent.
And now they’re making mind-boggling changes.

Saudi Press calls for Islamic Reform and amendments in Quran – The RealKashmir News International
Saudi Press calls for Islamic Reform and amendments in Quran
*https://therealkashmir.com/saudi-press-calls-for-islamic-reform-and-amendments-in-quran/

The Sunni Muslim “Vatican” is al-Azhar University in Cairo.
Grand Imam Ahmed el-Tayeb had a meeting in SAUDI ARABIA with leaders of all the non-Abrahamic religions.
This is technically prohibited in Islam.
He did it anyway.
You know that best thing we can do?
Note it and not talk about it with Muslims.
This is the most precarious moment in the history of Islam.
THEY’RE GOING FOR IT.
Everything you thought you knew about Islam was wrong.
Watch it and don’t stick in your oar.
You DO NOT always have to SAY what you’re thinking.
Let THEM work it out at THEIR speed, in THEIR way.
We’ve being messing up the Middle East for centuries.
It’s a new era of peace and the US Space Force.
Thank Trump and Saudi Arabia.
END

phoenixrising37

Word on Vegas…
Thread… click on tweet

Justice Department Retweeted
US Attorney Nevada@USAO_NV
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Five Individuals Face Federal Charges for Damaging U.S. Courthouse During May 30, 2019 Protest in Las Vegas
@FBILasVegas
@LVMPD
@USMarshalsHQ
https://go.usa.gov/xGnN8

Gail Combs

Thread #2:

Allow me to use @CBSNews to illustrate exactly why the Democrats and the press–sorry for repeating myself–can’t defeat @realDonaldTrump.
This is from election night of 2016.
And THIS is why Trump will always win:
The Democrats and the press CREATED A FAKE TRUMP and then were shocked that this nonexistent man got elected.
They refused to grasp that the voters elected the REAL Trump.
And they’ve done AGAIN in 2020, but to a much more extreme and much more demented level.
The fake Trump in 2020 is a Kremlin asset, a dictator, a mass murderer, a psychotic suffering from delusions, a complete idiot, a brain-damaged dotard, and yet AGAIN a rapist.

Donald Trump accused of sexual assault by former model Amy Dorris
Exclusive: Amy Dorris alleges Trump forced his tongue down her throat and groped her at 1997 US Open
*https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/17/donald-trump-accused-of-sexual-assault-by-former-model-amy-dorris

TRUMP IS A NOTORIOUS GERMOPHOBE.
Some of us have dated germophobes.
They don’t do the things THIS woman is claiming.
They CAN’T do them.
@therealroseanne WILL NOT SHAKE HANDS.
Period.
Trump has said multiple times that retraining himself to shake hands was one of the hardest things he’d ever since, since he’d spent AT LEAST FOUR DECADES not doing it.
This is NOT a man who sexually assaults strangers.
It’ll quote Alyssa Milano about Joe Biden:
“We should believe women, but not at the expense of giving men their due process. It’s gotta be fair in both directions. I don’t feel comfortable throwing away a man in this time of complete chaos without there being a thorough investigation.”
Bravo, Alyssa!
I agree 100 percent.
Until there’s a thorough investigation, we can continue supporting the man we support.
Model lady, go out and get yourself a thorough investigation, and THEN I’ll listen to you.
Like Alyssa says, and she’s an expert, you know.
The broader point is that the Democrats and the press create a FAKE person, and then say that if we support the REAL person, that makes US fascist, stupid, racist–everything they say about the FAKE person.
They’ve created FAKE TRUMP SUPPORTERS TOO.
That’s not a winning formula.
Trump just solved ANOTHER issue that plagued government blockheads for 70 years:
[Trump Utube on Native American repatriation]
*

The number of people who continue to believe in the existence of the fake Trump gets smaller and smaller and smaller.
I told you this A LONG TIME AGO:
One of Trump’s many strategies was to create a “reverse honeymoon.”
He started out at a low approval rating and KEPT IT THERE DELIBERATELY.
People tell me that he finally changed.
NO.
He stayed exactly the same, and he gained support by letting the Democrats and the press implode.
All Trump did was deliver.
He’s made it absolutely clear that his only concern is US.
The press is so insane that it’s angry at the White House normalization ceremony between Israel, the UAE and Bahrain.
WHY?
Not enough social distancing.
The press calls a FEDERALIST president a FASCIST.
It says that Democrat Brownshirts are PEACEFUL PROTESTORS.
Watch YouTube videos by gigantically popular creators.
Now they demonstrate their “peaceful” machine guns.
After they blow up a junker car, they say that luckily it was a peaceful explosion.
The former special-operations combat veterans who Biden says Trump hates now refer to themselves as peaceful participants in peaceful firefights.
And the White House Press Corps!
Dear @whca:
I now MUTE your toxic psychos and listen only to @PressSec’s answers and Trump’s answers.
If you had any idea the damage these people are doing to YOU, they would have their credentials yanked TODAY.
NOBODY SANE LIKES HARPIES.
Harridans.
Fishwives.
Their poison makes it impossible to listen to them.
So I don’t.
I MUTE THEM.
Only McEnany and Trump’s words matter.
We are in electoral Groundhog Day.
[video]
Only this is the senile, homeless-raving-mental-patient version.
“It really seems as though old Hegel, in the guise of the World Spirit, were directing history from the grave and, with the greatest conscientiousness, causing everything to be re-enacted twice over, once as grand tragedy and the second time as rotten farce.”
Friedrich Engels to Karl Marx, in a letter dated December 3, 1851.
Engels was referring to international fun-boy and life of the party Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel.
[Painting of nasty looking Hegel]
I’ll end with a story that you should keep in mind as we navigate these demented waters.
Jean-Francois Demozay was a French airline pilot before World War II.
He crashed in 1938, was declared 100 percent disabled, and lost his pilot’s license.
When the British Royal Air Force came to France to protect it against German invasion, Demozay volunteered to be an interpreter.
The Germans invaded on May 10, 1940, using a new form of combined-arms warfare called Blitzkrieg.
Lightning war.
The French were rapidly defeated.
The British Royal Air Force evacuated, leaving behind aircraft too damaged to fly.
Demozay went to an airfield and found a Bristol Bombay troop transport with no tailwheel.
Taking off would be almost impossible because the tail would be shimmying all over the place.comment image
Demozay went to a group of British soldiers and said, “I’m going to fly this crate to to Britain. I haven’t flown in two years, I’ve never flown a Bombay, and this one has no tailwheel. I don’t expect to survive. Anyone want to come?”
All 15 soldiers went with him.
He got in the Bombay and made a harrowing takeoff.
The sky was full of German fighters, and the Bombay had about as much power as a Volkswagen Beetle.
Demozay had been a civilian pilot with zero combat experience.
He set up a grapevine of men from the rear turret to the cockpit to him when a German was coming in.
Then he slowed down the Bombay to a near-stall, making it impossible for the Germans to stay on his tail.
Finally the Germans gave up.
Demozay made it to Britain and and landed safely.
He told the British that he was a French fighter pilot, but darn it, his records were still in France.
They believed him and accepted him into the Royal Air Force.
[photo of Demozay -nice looking chap.]comment image
After a stint in fighter school, he went on to shoot down 18 enemy aircraft, making him a triple-ace plus three.
After the liberation of France, he organized a fighter school and was eventually made deputy commander of the French fighter-school wing.
Although Demozay died in a flying accident on December 19, 1945, he lived long enough to see the Allies win World War II.
And his amazing story lives on.
Be a happy warrior like Jean-Francois Demozay.
WE WILL WIN ON NOVEMBER 3.
Guaranteed.

phoenixrising37

I think Demozay was featured in one of the last episodes of ‘Foyle’s War’ …………. 😉

Gail Combs

By reading Carlos, I am learning a heck of a lot more WWI and WWII history than I ever did in high school history class.🤣

phoenixrising37

😉

Valerie Curren

Thank you for sharing this story of true heroism…what a blessing that our world has had such men in it!

phoenixrising37

Justice Department
@TheJusticeDept
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Colorado Man Charged with Hate Crime After Unprovoked Stabbing of Black Man
Colorado Man Charged with Hate Crime After Unprovoked Stabbing of
A Colorado man has been charged with a hate crime after stabbing a Black man from Ontario, Oregon while the man was sitting in a fast food restaurant, announced Assistant Attorney General Eric
justice.gov
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/colorado-man-charged-hate-crime-after-unprovoked-stabbing-black-man

Gail Combs

Thread #2 URL
*https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1306660924934119424.html
Thread #3
*https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1306720870480539648.html

Gasp! How can this BE?!
The Democrats and the press told us that the protests are peaceful, and @realDonaldTrump made them violent by merely existing!
Well…
No.

Anarchist Groups Tied to Riots in 4 US Cities
Far-right groups in America such as the anti-government Boogaloo Boys have long used a host of tactics and platforms to incite violence, including dehumanizing memes, online forums and organized milit…
*https://www.voanews.com/extremism-watch/anarchist-groups-tied-riots-4-us-cities

“Many of the features of anarcho-socialist extremism seem to parallel the key tactical structures documented in libertarian-anarchist and Jihadi extremism.”
What did I tell you about the sectarian death-squad assassination of Aaron “Jay” Danielson in Portland?
THE MURDERERS WERE TRAINED BY THE IRANIAN QUDS FORCE.
Look at this:

DA pursues riot, laser charges against more Portland protesters
Portland’s protest streak has ended, with demonstrations becoming scarcer and less confrontational, but the Multnomah County District Attorney’s Office is still announcing new charges a…
*https://www.koin.com/news/protests/da-pursues-riot-laser-charges-against-more-portland-protesters/

The rioting is over, and the reason being given is unhealthy air quality.
SURE!
People with GAS MASKS who breathe SMOKE AND TEAR GAS every day are suddenly worried about air quality.
Stafford Act, baby.
They got to meet the Delta Force, face to face.
The air quality is Ted Wheeler’s cover story.
IF INDEED the Delta Force was used, a general went to Wheeler’s house.
Here’s what it was like:
[Old video ?TV?]
Wheeler was told that he would NOT interfere, and he would NOT say anything publicly.
The consequences to him would be…dire.
Read THIS and laugh.

Minneapolis City Council Members Complain of Rising Crime Months after Trying to Defund Police Department | National Review
“Residents are asking, ‘Where are the police’?” said newly elected council member Jamal Osman who has been swamped by resident complaints.
*https://www.nationalreview.com/news/minneapolis-city-council-members-complain-of-rising-crime-months-after-trying-to-defund-police-department/

They’re blaming THE COPS.
Leftists are little kids.
The worst dinner of my life was with a leftist film director from Santa Monica.
He was obsessed with me because he couldn’t pigeonhole me.
So he invited me to dinner with his family.
This is EXACTLY what the four-year-old son did IN THE RESTAURANT THE WHOLE TIME.
ON THE TABLE.
Neither parent stopped him. They ignored him.
[Video – Chimp walking on and pounding on table ]
*

That kid went to USC and was a…LEFTIST RADICAL!
I used to check his Facebook page.
The director’s wife used me as a technical advisor for the worst spy thriller in the history of all human languages.
I told her the REALITY of terrorism, but she changed it.
The book was so horrible it was never even published.
And BOY, was she snooty.
They couldn’t figure me out, so finally they brought out the big gun:
“We’d like to show you our most cherished possession.”
“What’s that?”
“An original John Wayne Gacy clown portrait.”
[Ugly painting looks like something a grade school kid did.]
“Absolutely not,” I said.
They were flabbergasted.
“Why don’t you want to see it?”
“Because he was a f*cking serial killer. I don’t care if YOU have it, but I’ll leave this house before I look at it.”
Guess what?
They RESPECTED me after that.
But it was also a declaration of war.
I ended the relationship because after that, they constantly put me down for everything I’d ever done in my life.
It didn’t anger me, because I knew I’d made them feel like crap.
And they knew I was a much better person.
But the four-year-old chimp became a 30-year-old chimp, and he probably met the Delta Force on a smoky night.
I don’t care in the least what happens to these people.
“Texas Guerillas.”
You know why I don’t care how rough they’re treated?
Because they’re fighting for totalitarianism, not freedom.
They have the unmitigated gall to come into MY WORLD and try to destroy it.
Instead of doing the adult thing and going somewhere isolated to live off the grid as a hunter-gatherer and subsistence farmer with no taxable income and no need to drive, they want ME to live in total anarchy.
Fine.
Then say hello to the Delta Force.
I wish you well.
It took the US and our allies nine months to shape the battlefield for the retaking of Mosul from the Islamic State.
The operation suffered ZERO SETBACKS.
The Texas Guerrillas are up against people who fought ENTIRE MAJOR CONFLICTS CLANDESTINELY.
We learn about these conflicts AFTER THE FACT, when their deployment home is announced.
The Special Purpose Marine Air-Ground Task Force – Crisis Response – Central Command (SP-MAGTF-CR-CC) was deployed for a full year.
Heavy combat in multiple countries.
NOT ONE CASUALTY.
The only country we know they were in is Syria.
We don’t know their weapons.
There were only 120 in Syria.
THAT WAS ENOUGH.
The Stafford Act allows THOSE PEOPLE to be deployed HERE.
Boy oh boy.
These guys here?
[BLM wanabe tough guys in a pickup truck]comment image
NOT the Special Purpose Marine Air-Ground Task Force – Crisis Response – Central Command.
Or the Delta Force.
Or anybody else.
In jail
In jail without no bail
In jail
We’re in jail because we failed
In jail
In jail without no bail
In jail
We’re in jail because we failed
[Video the jail house rap]
Jail IF THEY’RE LUCKY.
Everyone needs to go home.
Stop the playacting.
You have no idea WHO OR WHAT you’re up against.
END

ForGodandCountry

Wictor’s latest on why the Portland protests stopped is total awesomesauce. 😎
I would only add…
If no one knows who Antifa leadership is…
…then no one will know when they turn up missing.
Forever.
\_😉_/

Gail Combs

Yeah, I agree with Brent Cates. Best to take care of the problem quietly.
If you read between the lines and add up all the various laws, POTUS E.O.s and now the State of Emergency….

kea

So according to this:

Joss Whedon is a bad dude. Jason Momoa wants Joss Whedon Investigated. Joss Whedon I always found odd. The TV show Buffy was about a high school girl who had relations with a 200 year old (vampire)
Whedon also did Disney’s Avengers movie and the second one had an odd abortion moment with a main character.
Charisma Carpenter used to work on the show Angel but was fired and complained about an awful work environment. AKA she was pregnant and Joss wasn’t happy.
Isaac Kappy who passed away said seth green is a pedo
seth green worked with Joss on Buffy and is on the Q list:comment image
All of this seems to be linked together.

phoenixrising37

Kappy didn’t just “pass away”…. Isaac Kappy was killed.

kea

Oh I know I just didn’t know if posting something like that would put me I the bin.

Deplorable Patriot

For JJ fans.

Deplorable Patriot

ForGodandCountry

Oh I will be watching this for sure!

Gail Combs

ACK!
Carlos put up another thread while I was working on #3.
*https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1306751119679315968.html
(I do these for Zoe and others who can not read twitter or thread readers)

Hat tip @stillgray
He is correct.
@realDonaldTrump scared the hell out of them.

Ian Miles Cheong
@stillgray
The White House “Siege” is canceled.” They’re doing 50 days of non-violent improv jazz instead. You couldn’t make this up. Trump scared the hell out of them.

Trump recently said in a very offhand way is that we’re speaking DIRECTLY TO IRAN.
[video of trump meeting]
*

“And I even suggested, ‘Wait until after the election [to make a deal]. Make yourself feel good. Wait until after the election.'”
Neither Trump nor the Arab nations want to humiliate Iran.
Iraq is majority Shia, as is Iran, so those two countries will always have a close relationship.
Sunni Muslims make up 90 percent of the religion.
There’s only ONE solution, and I predict that it’ll happen:
Al-Azhar University in Cairo–the de facto Vatican of Sunni Islam–will declare Shia Islam a legitimate branch of the religion.
IT HAS TO HAPPEN.
Mohammed bin Salman has done things that I was told were not possible.
He’s reinterpreted the Koran.
I was told that Muslims believe that the Koran is perfect; therefore it can’t be reinterpreted.
Islam relies on the Koran and the Hadith.
The Hadith is a record of the words, actions, and the silent approval of the Islamic prophet Mohammed, as recorded by HUMANS.
Both the Koran and the Hadith have glaring inconsistencies and contradictions, to which the answer has always been, “Shut up!”
This is very understandable, given the history of Muslim societies.
The road has been very rocky.
So the Saudis have an ingenious solution:
HUMANS FAILED THE PROPHET.
They injected confusion.
And now there must be a massive collaborative effort to ELIMINATE these inconsistencies and contradictions in order to HONOR the prophet.
It wasn’t his fault.
Everything needs to be updated.
Similarly, Mohammed bin Salman said that these same fallible humans MISUNDERSTOOD Mohammed.
Mohammed said to SPREAD THE WORD of Islam.
With the advent of modern technology, THE WORD HAS BEEN SPREAD, so Muslims need to stop worrying about it.
AND.
It’s FORBIDDEN to force Islam on anyone.
That dishonors the prophet, and all good Muslims must fight this human distortion of the holy words.
Firebrand clerics are still firebrands.
IN DEFENSE OF TOLERANCE.
It’s absolute genius.
Militant tolerance.
“Look! These bastard terrorists are defiling our religion! CHARGE!”
This is all a work in progress.
All that matters is RESULTS.
And we’re seeing them.
The people doing almost all of the fighting against Islamists?
Muslims.
And the Saudis are liberating women in the smartest way possible.
By the time they’re granted status as equal citizens, they’ll be running the country.
The HUGE mistake we made in Iraq was freeing people overnight.
They were disoriented.
The Saudis made emergency trips here to plead with us to not invade and overthrow Saddam, but we ignored them.
ALL THEIR MOST DIRE PREDICTIONS CAME TRUE.
At the time, I thought they were just being tribal, but I WAS WRONG.
So I learned from my huge blunder.
NOW I LISTEN TO THE LOCALS.
So does Trump.
The Afghans and Taliban are still fighting, even as they have peace talks.
THIS IS WHAT THEY DO.
They tried it with US, and Trump ordered the entire Taliban leadership killed.
So NOW the fighting carefully excludes Americans.
The Afghans now have Tier One special operators.
Click this image and examine the dudes under a microscope.

Afghanistan’s Special Operations Forces Transition from Division to Corps
Afghanistan’s elite Special Operations Forces officially transitioned from a division to a corps, as part of a four-year security plan aimed at vastly improving the country’s security forces.“Today, i…
*https://www.voanews.com/extremism-watch/afghanistans-special-operations-forces-transition-division-corps#&gid=1&pid=1

comment image
THAT WAS 2015.
It’s now the Commando CORPS.
The Afghan government is free to ask for help from whomever it wants.
TONS of countries are willing to help.
In recent fights, even regular Afghan cops and soldiers kill more Taliban than themselves lose.
And yes, I get THIS:
You’ll get plenty of American combat forces who were in Afghanistan who will say, “They’re useless!”
THEY SAY THAT ABOUT EVERYBODY.
It’s schtick.
Results are all that matters.
Countries are lined up to help Afghanistan.
The point is, Trump talks to EVERYBODY.
All these violent nutters got a little message:
“Don’t do this thing at the White House.”
They came home, and their bed was in the kitchen with a smiley face pillow that had a note attached.
This is why I have NO PATIENCE for people who refuse to factor Trump into the equation.
ALL “analyses” are laid out as if Trump0 doesn’t even exist.
How did this happen?
TRUMP IS THE ONLY ONE WHO MATTERS.
The Democrats don’t matter.
The press doesn’t matter.
Werner Voss was the greatest pilot in history.
A German, he died in a World War One dogfight at the age of 20.comment image
Because he was Jewish and the son of dyer–a man who applied dyes to textiles–he was ostracized by the
Prussian aristocrats.
This is a real German aristocrat:
Karl-Theodor Maria Nikolaus Johann Jacob Philipp Franz Joseph Sylvester Buhl-Freiherr von und zu Guttenberg.
Voss’s final aircraft was the Fokker Dr.1 Triplane.
Because he was ostracized, he went out alone.
He KNEW his luck would run out, but since he couldn’t really get backup, he didn’t care.
[photo pilot & plane]
His final fight took place on September 23, 2017.
He was jumped by SEVEN British S.E. 5a fighters, VASTLY superior aircraft.
[photo British pilots & planes]
AND.
Among the seven British pilots were the Royal Flying Corps’s FIVE HIGHEST-SCORING ACES.
Voss didn’t have a chance.
But he stayed and fought.
The Brits wrote in the after-action reports that Voss did maneuvers that nobody has ever repeated.
When an aircraft got on his tail, he did a FLAT SPIN and flew tail first so he could fire at his pursuer.
Got that?
Voss’s aircraft suddenly spun around and continued flying forward while facing backward.

ForGodandCountry

I dispute Some of the things Wictor says about Voss.
1. He did not go out alone. THAT is known, documented fact.
2. There is no evidence, whatsoever, he thought or “knew” his luck would run out, nor that he didn’t care if it did.
3. The maneuver Wictor describes was not possible. Voss never flew backwards.

Gudthots

He sure does spin a good yarn though.

Gail Combs

Roscoe thread
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1306062929792585731.html
“Defeat Disinfo (defeatdisinfo.org) is the heart of the RINO resistance, & part of the coup crew….”
He does some diggin and it goes back to McMasters and CURRENTLY ACTIVE MILITARY. I wasn’t going to copy this but he dug up stuff I had not seen before and thought might be of interest.

….Hougland, currently works on multiple large scale initiatives to censor & block conservative content & users on social media….
What you see unfolding before your eyes currently here in the US is verbatim from the US Army War College manual on psychological warfare, “the objective is to destroy the will & ability of the enemy to fight by depriving them of the support of allies & neutrals.”
If you gig deeper into Defeat Disinfo, shows that their network of enablers & operators includes a large number of retired & currently serving high ranking US military personal. While retired personnel are free to do what they want, currently serving is an issue.
On Aug 11, 2020 DefenseOne published an open letter by two retired US Army lieutenant colonels, John Nagl and Paul Yingling to General Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Take a gander at the content…..
These two retired light colonels sound like they are openly calling for a coup d’état in order to remove the president by force. Not surprisingly, these two are active members of McChrystal’s Defeat Disinfo initiative. But, these military linkages go even deeper.
Paul Yingling is a close friend of HR McMaster & was his deputy commander in Iraq. Everyone’s familiar with McMaster’s little NSC minions, Vindman & Ciaramella, the Ukrainian cover story distractions from the real crimes in Ukraine.
7 days later on Aug 17, 2020, DefenseOne published a Thomas Crosbie piece: Six Scenarios for Military Intervention After January 2020, Crosbie provided a step-by-step playbook for the upcoming coup d’état.

Six Scenarios for Military Intervention After January 20
We have to be able to talk about the military’s political influence.
*https://web.archive.org/web/20200830065046if_/https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2020/08/six-scenarios-military-intervention-after-january-20/167777/

Look at Crosbie’s network contact and it shows the same Defeat Disinfo linkages at the two light colonals. Lots of of senior ‘retired military’ DNA & fingerprints in the 2020 election information warfare theater should raise a lot of questions. ADL, NIF, & J Street are active
Why is the Pentagon tolerating DARPA sponsored information warfare tools being used in the US for political targeting of the administration and the president?

Initiative seeks to challenge Trump’s online megaphone
A new Democratic-aligned political action committee advised by retired Army Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the former head of U.S. forces in Afghanistan, is planning to deploy technology originally develope…
https://web.archive.org/web/20200904225726/https://www.stripes.com/news/us/initiative-seeks-to-challenge-trump-s-online-megaphone-1.628186

Why does the Pentagon and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff tolerate blatant violations of Article 88 in the UCMJ?

10 U.S. Code § 888 – Art. 88. Contempt toward officials
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/888

You know @tedlieu is a currently active military officer. His twitter feed alone should bring his ass up on an Article 88.
Why are US non-profits like the ADL, J Street, and NIF allowed to engage in extreme partisan political activity?
ADL’s Jonathan Greenblatt’s affiliation with left wing subversive organizations has a long history. While serving in the Obama WH, he worked with the leadership of Avaaz and other leading anti-American and anti-Israel groups like J Street and the NIF.
Greenblatt’s Iranian wife is the founder and director of The Alliance for Rights of All Minorities (ARAM), another shady non-profit that is deeply involved in anti Israel agendas and political funding which is a no no when in comes to Non-profits.
Greenblatt wrote a foreign policy piece targeting Israel. In it, he argued that Israel was falsely claiming that the Palestinians were advocating for “ethnic cleansing” in Judea and Samaria which they do, not a false claim at all.
*https://jstreet.org/jonathan-greenblatt-takes-netanyahus-misleading-comments-settlements/#.X2F18mdKgdV
All these players are involved in this Globalist Elites club that are trying to fiscally enslave non-members. Greenblatt’s ‘expert source’ for his claims was Stefanie Fox from the Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP), a leading extremist left wing Jewish BDS organization.
JVP has a $3.2 M budget and a massive 200K member outreach program. In 2018, Greenblatt established the ADL Center for Technology and Society (CTS) and received a $1.75M payment from Pierre Omidyar the founder of eBay.

The ADL Took $1.75 Million from a Funder of Alt-Left Anti-Semitism, Now It’s Ignoring Alt-Left Hate – Frontpagemag
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2019/01/adl-took-175-million-funder-alt-left-anti-semitism-daniel-greenfield/

CTS is an information warfare platform used for massive censorship, influence operations, & political targeting. The members of the CTS advisory board include disinformation specialists like Shawn Henry, president of Crowdstrike & Eli Pariser, the co-founder of Avaaz.
ADL pays lip service to being apolitical, but it exhibits clear extreme left-wing bias through every aspect of its organizational structure and function. For example, its “Belfer Fellows” program is staffed entirely with pure political appointees.

Belfer Fellows at ADL’s Center for Technology and Society
ADL’s Center for Technology and Society is seeking innovative researchers, practitioners and thinkers at the intersection of tech and civil rights. Read more about the fellowship program and apply f…
https://www.adl.org/belfer-fellows

Naveed Jamali – MSM talking head who made a name for himself promoting the Trump Russian collusion narrative
Dr. Molly Crockett – Psychologist who promoted the theory that Trump was elected because 60 million people wanted to “punish others even at a personal cost to themselves”
Dr. Amy Zhang – An assistant professor at the University of Washington who promoted Antifa propaganda and called for “the white house to disavow white supremacy” constantly for three plus years, like it’s playing in a damn loop in her damn head.
Hey @CharlesOrtel how does an American nonprofit NGO like Avaaz, which is actually HQ’d in London and Canada that is meddling in the internal affairs of a sovereign country how in the hell does that not raise a huge red flag?
This Globalist Elitist Group web is mind boggling.
A perfect example of how this maze of progressive organizations operates word-wide can be found in Raluca Ganea, one of Avaaz’s senior campaigner.
Ganea, in addition to her work with Avaaz, also operated in a number of other international extreme left-wing organizations like NIF, Shutafut-Sharaka where she worked as a senior media coordinator.
Look who’s with Avaaz co founder Tom Perriello. former swamper of the left
[Photo Obama in PURPLE shirt & tie with his arm around Perriello]comment image
Tom Perriello who had his 2008 election campaign endorsed and financed by J Street. Perriello just like Greenblatt, is a former a senior Obama official. He is now the executive director for U.S. programs at Soros’ Open Society Foundations.
Why was the left downplaying the ME Peace Treaty signing that was going on today, calling it a farce and accusing Bibi Netanyahu of giving a political gift to Trump, well what else were they going to do. They covered for the reckless crap Barry pulled in the region from day one.
In Barry’s first year in 2009, during Operation Cast Lead, Avaaz ran a large media campaign entitled “Gaza: Stop the Bloodshed” calling for a ceasefire & re-opening of the borders & crossings and ending the blockade of Gaza. From the beginning Barry and Co were backing hezbollah
No reference was made to the thousands of Hamas rockets which terrorized Israeli civilians for years before the operation and no explanation given as to why a blockade was necessary to prevent the smuggling of arms to Gaza.

J Street: Perhaps Pro-Peace, but Certainly not Pro-Israel
Remarks delivered to ACT, Middle Tennessee Chapter, February 8, 2011 by Matthew M. Hausman (April 2011) Good evening. I?m speaking tonight as a proud Jew and committed Zionist, and I?m here to offer m…
https://web.archive.org/web/20150909151409/http://www.newenglishreview.org/Matthew_M._Hausman/J_Street%3A_Perhaps_Pro-Peace,_but_Certainly_not_Pro-Israel/

In 2010, Avaaz firmly pinned its colors to the mast of the Turkish terror ship Mavi Marmara when it launched a petition calling for world leaders to:
“investigate the raid, end the blockade”, and describing the IHH/Muslim Brotherhood-organised flotilla as “humanitarian”.
Huh??
Avaaz is a dangerous subversive of what the US actually stand for.
https://web.archive.org/web/20150512135234/https://secure.avaaz.org/en/gaza_flotilla/?fp

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They will be dealt with.

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Oh, I really hope they go down hard, FG&C!

Deplorable Patriot

Not just the criminals need to be dealt with. The people who let them out do as well.

Gudthots

ABSOLUTELY

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churchmouse

Unacceptable.
There is no reason why ballots cannot be sent in time for Election Day.

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Agree – but, they are determined to undermine the count – they know they are going to lose – so they must create as much chaos as possible – delaying will allow them to regain control, Church – Bums!!!

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This x 1000!!!

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YES!!!

ForGodandCountry

I love this.
They are damned if they do, damned if they don’t.
Totally screwed themselves.

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See – Space Force is VERY IMPORTANT!!!

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