2022·01·29 Joe Biden Didn’t Win Daily Thread

SPECIAL SECTION: Message For Our “Friends” In The Middle Kingdom

You knuckle-dragging barbarians are still trying to muck with this site, so I’ll just repeat what I said last time.

Up your shit-kicking barbarian asses. Yes, barbarian! It took a bunch of sailors in Western Asia to invent a real alphabet instead of badly drawn cartoons to write with. So much for your “civilization.”

Yeah, the WORLD noticed you had to borrow the Latin alphabet to make Pinyin. Like with every other idea you had to steal from us “Foreign Devils” since you rammed your heads up your asses five centuries ago, you sure managed to bastardize it badly in the process.

Have you stopped eating bats yet? Are you shit-kickers still sleeping with farm animals?

Or maybe even just had the slightest inkling of treating lives as something you don’t just casually dispose of?

中国是个混蛋 !!!
Zhōngguò shì gè hùndàn !!!
China is asshoe !!!

And here’s my response to barbarian “asshoes” like you:

OK, with that rant out of my system…

Loop it if you like; I will wait.

Richly deserved.

Justice Must Be Done

The prior election must be acknowledged as fraudulent, and steps must be taken to prosecute the fraudsters and restore integrity to the system.

Nothing else matters at this point. Talking about trying again in 2022 or 2024 is hopeless otherwise. Which is not to say one must never talk about this, but rather that one must account for this in ones planning; if fixing the fraud is not part of the plan, you have no plan.

Lawyer Appeasement Section

OK now for the fine print.

This is the WQTH Daily Thread. You know the drill. There’s no Poltical correctness, but civility is a requirement. There are Important Guidelines,  here, with an addendum on 20191110.

We have a new board – called The U Tree – where people can take each other to the woodshed without fear of censorship or moderation.

And remember Wheatie’s Rules:

1. No food fights
2. No running with scissors.
3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
4. Zeroth rule of gun safety: Don’t let the government get your guns.
5. Rule one of gun safety: The gun is always loaded.
5a. If you actually want the gun to be loaded, like because you’re checking out a bump in the night, then it’s empty.
6. Rule two of gun safety: Never point the gun at anything you’re not willing to destroy.
7. Rule three: Keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire.
8. Rule the fourth: Be sure of your target and what is behind it.

(Hmm a few extras seem to have crept in.)

Spot (i.e., paper) Prices

Last week:

Gold $1831.80
Silver $24.31
Platinum $1043.00
Palladium $2194.00
Rhodium $17,650.00

This week, 3PM Mountain Time, markets have closed for the weekend.

Gold $1791.20
Silver $22.56
Platinum $1019.00
Palladium $2466.00
Rhodium $17,750.00

A major hammering for gold, silver and platinum. Conversely, palladium is going nuts again. I guess people are buying catalytic converters (with minor propulsive attachments so they can move around) again. Supposedly, everybody but everybody expects the Fed (I am fed up with the Fed) to raise interest rates. That suddenly makes dollars more attractive than they were last week, even though the rate of inflation hasn’t changed. Hence gold going down when you would think the dollar should be spiraling around the drain (of the toilet).

James Webb Space Telescope Update

OK, it’s all deployed, it’s in its orbit…so what comes next? What’s going to occupy the next five months?

Well, the telescope has to cool down. Yes, 348 degrees below zero F is not cold enough for those infrared sensors. It’s going to take a while. Heat can only be carried away three ways…conduction, convection, and radiation, and two of those are unavailable in space. The spacecraft isn’t touching anything else, so conduction won’t work, and it’s not fluid, so convection can’t work either. (Convection is the process that causes water near or at the boiling point to roil; heated water from the bottom of the pot rises, carrying the heat to the surface; cooler water at the top descends where it will get heated.) So what’s left is radiation, losing the heat by electromagnetic black body radiation. This is what causes an incandescent light bulb filament to cool off and stop glowing (in visible light) the moment you flip the light switch. Sometimes you can see it take a perceptible amount of time to dim. But that’s the heat in the filament being turned into light and radiating away.

A light bulb filament cools off fast, but that’s because it’s very hot. JWST is a mere 112 degrees (F) above absolute zero, so it will radiate much more slowly.

In fact, how much an object radiates is proportional to the fourth power of its temperature. An object at 100 degrees above absolute zero radiates sixteen times as much as one at 50 degrees above absolute zero. JWST, as it gets closer and closer to absolute zero, radiates less and less.

Besides just cooling JWST off, the instruments behind the mirror must be turned on and calibrated, but this can’t be done until the instruments cool down some more…though I believe at least some of them are close to their maximum operating temperature.

So, what can be done right now? The third thing: Mirror alignment. Here’s the last paragraph of the latest entry on the NASA JWST blog.

Next up: HD 84406! That is the first star Webb will point at to gather engineering data to start the mirror alignment process. The team chose a bright star (magnitude 6.7 at a distance of about 260 light-years, as measured by Gaia). The star is a sun-like G star in the Ursa Major constellation, which can be seen by Webb at this time of the year. This is just the first step; HD 84406 will be too bright to study with Webb once the telescope starts to come into focus. But for now, it is the perfect target to begin our search for photons, a search that will lead us to the distant universe.

NASA Blog: https://blogs.nasa.gov/webb/2022/01/27/the-webb-team-looks-back-on-successful-deployments/

It’s in astronomese. Fortunately I speak it well enough to translate. (It’s not just for professional astronomers; there are probably millions of amateur astronomers or just general geeky types who will have no problem reading that paragraph. But most here are not among them.)

Short translation: They’re basically going to point Webb at a particular star that’s fairly bright, and fiddle with the individual mirror segments to get them aligned with each other. The eighteen hexagons were all made to look as if they were cut from a parabolic mirror; they must be lined up to within nanometers of that parabolic shape. This is expected to take about three months

Longer translation: As above, but I’m going to do a deep dive on some of the specifics that will seem cryptic.

Let’s start with “HD 84406.” That’s a catalog number, the Henry Draper catalog. This catalog contains over 225,300 stars and was published between 1918 and 1924. (If you thought these posts were boring, go read the catalog. This is part of an index to it, and No, I have no idea why the numbers aren’t sequential: Henry Draper Catalogue – SKY-MAP)

[Annie Jump Cannon, who you might remember from one of my physics posts, was very heavily involved in the publication of this catalog and a couple of extensions to it that have come out since.]

Of course only about 6000 stars are bright enough to be visible to the unaided (naked) eye even far away from city lights, so clearly most of these Henry Draper stars are very, very dim.

“The team chose a bright star (magnitude 6.7…” OK they’re calling HD 84406 a “bright star” because it’s at “magnitude 6.7.” What does “magnitude 6.7” mean?

It’s a historical artifact. The brightness of astronomical objects is given in this funky magnitude scale. The lower the number, the brighter the star, so yes that seems backwards! This is because they would say something like “Spica is a first-magnitude star.” A “second-magnitude” star is clearly a lesser star than a “first magnitude” star. A “sixth magnitude” star was one that was just barely visible under ideal conditions.

Astronomers came up with instruments to objectively measure this sort of thing, however, and the magnitude scale got modified. In 1856 the modern scale was adopted, it was suggested by Norman Pogson at Oxford. Under his system, the scale is logarithmic and a star of magnitude X is 2.512 times as bright as a star of magnitude X+1. OK, so where did they pull that number from? Someone’s rectal database?

Actually that number is the fifth root of 100. Basically, a first magnitude star is 100 times as bright as a sixth magnitude star. That’s five “magnitudes” and it’s a logarithmic scale, so a single magnitude is going to be whatever number you can multiply by itself five times to get 100, i.e., the fifth root of 100, or about 2.512. (Remember, some people take an astronomy class in college because they are severely math challenged and have to take a science class to graduate and figure astronomy won’t have any math in it. But you can’t even describe stars’ brightnesses without logarithms-base-fifth-root-of-100. Bwahahaha!)

With a logarithmic scale, you can have fractional/decimal magnitudes, and more fun ensues. As it turns out many ancient “first magnitude” stars are actually considerably brighter than others. On the modern scale Sirius is -1.46 (a negative number), Arcturus is -0.04 (basically 0 on a 1-6 scale), Aldebaran is 0.85 and Spica is 1.04. Nor do you need to confine it to those little point-like stars in the night sky; nebulae, planets, the Sun and the Moon are on the scale too. The sun is magnitude -27. Sometimes, if you catch it just right the International Space Station is at -6. By the way, if it’s not a pointlike object, the magnitude is totaled up over the entire span of the object, so imagine the sun’s brightness in a single point (much more intense!), and that point is over ten billion times brighter than the point-source we call Sirius. When they describe the brightness of a nebula, it can seem misleadingly bright because the light from the nebula is smeared out over some patch of sky, rather than being gathered together in a point like a star is. So a nebula of a certain magnitude will always look fainter than a star of the same magnitude.

OK, so now when we see that HD 84406 is magnitude 6.7, we can judge that it’s actually not even visible to the unaided human eye! Yet they called it “bright” and even “too bright to study with Webb.”

[Note: some people (authors of books for amateur astronomers in particular) in very dark places (e.g., on the eastern slope of the “Big Island” of Hawaii) claim to be able to see clear down to magnitude 8. I’m not sure I believe them, to be honest.]

But if your eye’s pupil is 22 feet across, that actually will seem to be pretty damned bright! And that’s basically what JWST has going for it. So once they’re done using this blazingly bright star to align the mirrors, they won’t spend time looking at it any longer.

Next, “at a distance of about 260 light-years…” That’s the distance to the star, and a light year is the distance light travels in one year…about six trillion miles. 260×6 = 1560 trillion miles, that’s how far away HD 88406 is.

Next there’s this: “…The star is a sun-like G star in the Ursa Major constellation,” A “G star” is a reference to the star’s spectral class, which is to say the pattern of absorption lines in the spectrum; it so happens that G is the class the Sun is in. It’s mainly a rough shorthand for how hot the star is, and hence what color it is. Yellowish-white is the G type color. “In the Ursa Major constellation” means if you look at the Big Bear constellation, HD 88406 appears to be in it. Ursa Major includes the Big Dipper (but that’s not the whole constellation by any means). Astronomers actually drew boundaries between the 88 recognized constellations quite some time ago so every bit of sky (even apparently empty places) are part of a constellation; a star doesn’t have to be on the line drawings to be considered part of the constellation.

The constellation Ursa Major (white area). You can pick out the “Big Dipper” (also called “The Wagon” in some cultures) readily.
Incidentally, a pattern like that that isn’t a complete constellation (or consists of pieces of different constellations) is called an “asterism” so the Big Dipper or Wagon is an asterism, not a constellation.
Also note in the lower right the magnitude scale; the smaller the dot the fainter the star and the higher the magnitude number.

Nor must you be a star to be “in” a constellation. Galaxies, too are in constellations, it’s just a way to indicate where they appear as seen from earth. (For instance “the” Andromeda Galaxy, M31 is in the constellation of Andromeda. And, to expand on things I said earlier, M is for the Messier Catalog which has about 110 objects in it; it’s also cataloged in the New General Catalog as NGC 224. The magnitude of M31 is 3.44 but remember it’s smeared out over a certain part of the sky so it looks very faint. I can barely see it; in fact I’m never quite sure I really am seeing it. It shows up well even in tiny binoculars, though.)

Wow, there’s an awful lot behind that paragraph from NASA, ain’t there?

No Science Post This Week

Having beaten exoplanets into the ground, I’m not sure what I want to take up next. Of course you might be protesting that you just read one, but it’s largely stuff covered earlier, and it’s in what would otherwise seem a totally random order, dictated by the phrasing of a NASA blog post.

Fuck Joe Biden

Biden, you don’t even get ONE scoop of ice cream today.

(Please post this somewhere permanent, as it will continue to be true; the SOB will never deserve a scoop.)

Incidentally, I’m writing this on Friday. This morning I saw a full-sized pickup truck in the oncoming left turn lane with a forest of flags in the bed. Once he turned and drove left-to-right in front of me, I could see two American flags near the cab, and SIX “Let’s Go Brandon” flags near the tailgate. That was unusual; usually there’s a mix of FJB (only not abbreviated) and “Trump Won” and “Trump 2024” flags when someone does this.

I haven’t seen such a display in a few weeks, by the way. Even the guy at the office complex where I work with the FJB flag on his pickup seems to have removed it (or doesn’t work there any more–trucks all look alike to me from the back, and all crossovers look like cockroaches).

Obligatory PSAs and Reminders

China is Lower than Whale Shit

Remember Hong Kong!!!

Whoever ends up in the cell next to his, tell him I said “Hi.”

中国是个混蛋 !!!
Zhōngguò shì gè hùndàn !!!
China is asshoe !!!

China is in the White House

Since Wednesday, January 20 at Noon EST, the bought-and-paid for His Fraudulency Joseph Biden has been in the White House. It’s as good as having China in the Oval Office.

Joe Biden is Asshoe

China is in the White House, because Joe Biden is in the White House, and Joe Biden is identically equal to China. China is Asshoe. Therefore, Joe Biden is Asshoe.

But of course the much more important thing to realize:

Joe Biden Didn’t Win

乔*拜登没赢 !!!
Qiáo Bài dēng méi yíng !!!
Joe Biden didn’t win !!!

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cthulhu

Ummmm….what about the price of metals on Christmas Eve?

pgroup2

Wow. I’m impressed.  🤔 

cthulhu

I was just about to ask where you were….

pgroup2

Holding steady at 210 pounds.

cthulhu

See, that’s the reason you can hide behind poles and I can’t.

pgroup2

The chemotherapy diet works!

cthulhu

The “stress of living in California” diet sucks.

kalbokalbs

Easily cured. Permanently.

cthulhu

Heh. It’s like putting something someplace clever because you know you’ll need it….

slowcreekno

Yes I’ve done that every now and then. Problem with such clever places is that for the concept to work, one has to stay at a consistent high level of cleverness oneself. So when I had put away an electric drill somewhere clever prior to going on a trip, it took a while before I found it again. As the stress of travelling takes its toll, when I returned I wasn’t immediately quite as clever as when I left.

There is a phenomenon when you think of something, walk into the kitchen or workshop to go pick it up and realize you have forgot what it was, and the way to re-remember this is to go right back to the place you were, and not stand there in the kitchen and try to remember.

Now leaving things in clever places breaks, from a similar version of this, though it is temporal rather than spatial. With the big difference that you can’t go back in time and re-collect why you (I) hid the tool in that particular clever place. Eventually it might be found when looking for, and finding something else nearby. Somehow this is speeded up by buying a replacement tool in the meantime, often that happens because the tool was needed.

Then there are two. Or three. Or N+1 where N is the number of them that you had before.

I guess it is kind of a Murphy’s Law-like thing.

Gail Combs

And then the spouse found it and moved it….

cthulhu

Yeah, those folks taking astronomy to avoid math aren’t half as surprised as the music majors who suddenly discern a need for the 12th root of 2.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy
cthulhu

It all goes back to Pythagoras, who related string length and string tension to pitch — which we currently measure in Hertz. He realized that a string of length x had the same note as the string at 1/2x and 2x — just different octaves. Further, there were some ratios that were more pleasant than others — like 3/2x, which is a perfect fifth — The same as C and G on a piano.

Pythagoras mapped out a bunch of this stuff using ratios of integers, because he had some mystical beliefs that such made the world go ’round. And, truth be told, they are awfully handy for first approximations. Slowly, instruments started leading toward 12 pitches to the octave.

The problem is that doing intervals from intervals soon leads you into the weeds. For instance, a perfect fifth from an A(440) would be E(660), and a perfect fifth from E(660) would be B(990), but as you worked your way through X to Y and Y to X, you’d encounter places that wouldn’t match AT ALL. These were known as “wolf tones” and generally avoided in earlier music, and used for tension in later classical music.

This is, BTW, why you have classical pieces such as Bach’s “Little Fugue in G minor”. Even with the same nominal intervals, it wouldn’t sound right on an instrument tuned to F sharp.

This was all bashed around by all the smarter folk around during Bach’s day, when he put out a propaganda piece in the form of a collection known as “The Well-Tempered Clavier”. The idea was that you could “temper” a tuning by approximating the twelfth root of two between semitones — and, while nothing would be as pure and perfect as the integer ratios of Pythagoras, you wouldn’t have to retune entire orchestras between pieces. Of the various types of temperment (gets technical fast….), Bach was advocating for “well-tempered”.

So he put out this collection. For every pitch (12), he had a prelude and fugue (2) (as sets), in both major and minor keys (2). So, he had 48 pieces of music (12x2x2) to show that compositions could sound nice with well-tempered instruments. Then he did it again. And he dropped those 96 compositions onto his contemporaries saying, “whining is for losers.”

So, yes…..you really can’t get past Bach in music without developing a keen appreciation for the twelfth root of two.

Incidentally, Wendy Carlos (“Switched-On Bach”) did some later albums where she explored various synthesizer microtunings.

cthulhu

And, y’know, the saddest of all keys….

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

So great!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

This spun off some worthy music via YouTube algorithms….

cthulhu
Cuppa Covfefe

Erm, Walter, but I digress…

String players often play “ill-tempered” tuning, in particular to wind up pianists when playing chamber music. I watched a master class of Casals explaining how a scale would be different going down from going up… His recordings of the Bach Cello Suites show this (and caused quite a stir when he was first performing them, going against the grain of the “establishment”)…

(I have a feeling he did some jazz on the side when no-one else was looking or listening, blue notes and all). Casals, like many musicians, was an excellent pianist, and started his days off with a half-hour or so of Bach…

The works of Mersenne are quite interesting, both in terms of music, and math. Oh, and he was a Priest and theologian… in his prime, one might say…

As for the 12 tones, Charles Ives’s Psalm 24 explores all of those differences. And is one of the most punishing difficult pieces for most choirs to perform.
(BTDTGTTS as one of the “perfect pitch plants” in a choir to help with the pitch… hard to do when you don’t like the piece…)…

Then again, Frank Zappa wrote a 12-tone fugue, IIRC The Simpson’s have snippets of 12-tone in their theme(s), and the “Rocky” theme from Rocky and Bullwinkle is 12-tone… so that math came to good use, anyway 🙂

Cuppa Covfefe

Generally the minor keys are darker, as are those with more flats (all the way up to seven flats, unless you want to venture into the strange tonalities of double flats. A good example would be from Bernstein’s West Side Story, “A Boy Like That/I Have A Love”. The first (ABLT) has IIRC five flats, while the second is enharmonically similar, but with only one sharp, then three, YET, due to the change in key signature (and then rotating around the circle of fifths), the chord intervals change, and are brighter. And for synaesthetes, the colors change (browns, blues, and blacks to yellows, oranges, and golds)…

Interesting analysis here (though he gets hung up on tritones, the idea really being the tension getting resolved to the dominant – the leading tones for non-fixed instruments being sharp(er)…

https://www.fromscoretostage.com/post/2017/05/17/west-side-story-the-tritone-and-the-7th

(Actually WSS is an extreme example of modulation and enharmonics (similar keys with different key signatures) – probably not a good example to start with 🙂 That paper has some good references in the footnotes)…

cthulhu

With 99-44/100% of the poseurs and nutcases out there who never did anything memorable, I would agree wholeheartedly.

But W. Carlos has managed to become the “Grande Dame” of synthesis — collaborating with Robert Moog on the big rack synths in the early days and exploring the odd limits of various generations of synthesis since. All this while being helpful, humble, and very, very technical.

Unlike so many clowns who have changed their name and appearance, I have a great deal of respect for one of the best of the best…..who has been Wendy for over half her life.

Cuppa Covfefe

That creature is still a HE.

And an abomination to how he was created.

cthulhu
ForGodandCountry

Yeah, but can the builder competently play the instrument, or the aerospace engineer fly the plane?

I can answer the latter one…

…engineers are, by a wide margin, the absolute WORST pilots.

Take it from a former flight instructor.

My worst students were always engineers.

ForGodandCountry

That was never a problem.

It was always the actual flying part.

Some of the best stick & rudder pilots I’ve ever known were horrible in the classroom.

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Aubergine

Do you think it is a left-brain/right-brain kind of thing? Seems like it might be.

I am fantastic at geometry, but can’t do algebra to save my life, for example. Artist, right-brained as I am.

TradeBait2

A lot of truth in that statement IMO, Aubergine.

I see it in almost every endeavor. For example I used to teach golf to young people when my daughter was learning to play and into high school. I am not a pro, but play to a 0-4 handicap level and understand the swing concepts taught and used by the best. The first thing I wanted to observe was their reaction to the math and analytics of the game. The second was whether they were committed to process and fundamentals, or, more fluid and naturally athletic in their approach.

Left brain/right brain.

I used it in my former business banking career with staffing and clients. It would tell me the best approach, the right hires, the likelihood for success, etc.

Aubergine

It is very real, at least for me. And I have observed it in other people like you have. It’s a fundamental difference in how people think.

gil00

Thats a great way to evaluate students.

Gail Combs

There are also those who learn best via sight/hands on vs those who learn best by listening.

I am much more a visual learner.

Gail Combs

If you are teaching someone to do something (I do it a lot) You first do it slowly and use words to describe what you are doing. Then you have the person do it, correcting as they do it.

If needed, break the whole thing down into sections and have the person master each section before attempting the entire exercise.

Think saddling a horse correctly. It is NOT as easy as it would seem to do so correctly and in such a way that the animal is comfortable.

When you are teaching animals you have to break it down into even smaller bite size pieces.

If I had my way, NO ONE would be allowed to teach children until they had demonstrated an ability to train a dog. 🤓

cthulhu

Amongst mathematicians, about 50% are analysts, 45% are algebraists, and 5% are geometricians.

gil00

I was awful at geometry. Did better at algebra. Hoping kiddo is like his dad at math or better.

Barb Meier

I was the opposite and believe my dad teaching me to shoot pool helped me later with geometry. Loved my dear ‘ole dad so much.

gil00

Well thats an interesting way to think equations!

Aubergine

Lol, as usual, I am a minority!

cthulhu

We can’t all be eggplants.

Aubergine

Lol!

Gail Combs

HMMmm

I never had any problems with either geometry or algebra or calculus.

I HATE GPS and have loved maps since I was very little. I always have a picture of the map in my head when I travel to gigs.

On the other hand I am artistic and scientific. Just don’t ask me to play music or sing.😜

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Numerization is so hugely biased against so many elegant solutions, I almost regard the premature demand for numbers as one of the ways we humans are kept down on the farm. You have to do the numbers at some point, but at the wrong times and in the wrong amounts, numbers are just toxic to understanding.

singingsoul1

You sound like my husband 🙂
I cannot go anyplace without GPS and get lost where ever I go. GPS saves my life 🙂 I can read a map though but without one I am totally lost. Also have an compass in the car helps also 🙂

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Aubergine

But Gail, we all know you are our rare genius!

Gail Combs

NOT when it comes to music or foreign languages!

I will leave that to the rest of you.

slowcreekno

Stradivarius was never known as a composer of violin concertos.

He probably could play the violin and the cello to the extent that he could verify that his instruments were functioning as they should before he sent them out.

So there are different areas of expertise, with only minor overlap.

Cuppa Covfefe

In the case of string instruments, the violinmaker (or luthier, the snazzier term) most often can play the instrument, indeed has to, in order to tell if there are problems, and to gauge the quality of his work. Same thing goes for bow makers.

Having said that, the crap that comes out of the RED Chinese factories claiming to be “instruments” isn’t worthy of being firewood, let alone an instrument for a musician or student…..

(The “Kay” brand comes to mind, although that wasn’t Chinese. That was around 60 years ago, though…)…..

cthulhu

Actually, the tension is between instrument builders and composers.

Non-fretted strings, voice, trombone, pennywhistle, and other similar instruments don’t have to worry about temperament, since they only play approximations anyway.

Pianos, pipe organs, valved and fingered instruments have more of a concern — and that’s where instrument-builders and composers can be in tension.

On another subject, I don’t think there’s anything particularly sacred about A440. I would expect it to be manipulated whenever any benefit may be gained by such manipulation.

Deplorable Patriot

A over a century ago we were at A432. For some reason, “brightness” was all the rage in the twentieth century.

Cuppa Covfefe

And they’re looking to stretch it further… 😡

Not a problem for me, as I don’t have a Strad 🙂 but I could see it being a problem for Sopranos 😀 (OK, I know, 5Hz isn’t much)…

(Bass-Baritones, not so much 🙂 )…..

As far as brightness goes, it seems that over here, they LOOOOVE really bright speakers, equalizers, and mixes. Might as well chop off the lower four octaves or so, and smash glass to get that extra tinkle… On top of that, they compare speakers in terms of “watts” (not even RMS!), PMPO (Peak Music Power Output, sounds like pimple). Nary a word about frequency response or how flat that is or rolloff, etc… sigh…..

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Deplorable Patriot

Yeah, that puts the Queen of the Night a full tone and a half over where Josepha Weber sang it for sure.

Cuppa Covfefe

One of the things I hate to see in an orchestra is an oboist with a Strobocon Tuner under his chair. Same thing for piano tuners; if they can’t tune with a pitchfork at concert A and go on from there, they can take their “business” elsewhere.

Over the years, concert A has risen. Word is, some young pups would like it to be 445. Problem is, for older instruments (and not just strads), the additional tension can be too much for the instrument. Downward pressure via the bridge, lateral tension over the nut and the saddle, and even the pegbox feels the pain. Add to that modern strings of steel, perlon, or wrapped steel (silver or other) and it just gets worse. Just a musical version of clickbait, adding (mechanical) tension to create tension…

Would be interesting to see what that would have done to Robert Schumann, who had an odd form of tinnitus where he constantly heard concert A 440 in his head (should’ve been an oboist 🙂 )… Probably REALLY hard for him to deal with brass instruments (or vice-versa, as he was the composer, and brass and winds HATE the sharp keys)…

Deplorable Patriot

Problem is, for older instruments (and not just strads), the additional tension can be too much for the instrument.

My voice teacher’s piano was an antique, and someone tried to tune it too high, and broke the cast iron.

cthulhu

Oh, man — what a shame! And, besides, I bet your voice teacher had some choice utterances.

Cuppa Covfefe

OUCH!

The harp being one of the few parts of a piano that truly cannot be repaired… Depending on the type of piano, that could be a couple of hundred strings, each one exerting more pressure, probably disproportionately more as they’re designed for a particular pitch… And IIRC, the strings can’t be tightened in one go from bottom to top or top to bottom, but must be done in groups…

What a shame… I’ve heard of people “rolling their own” and trying to tune using a socket wrench, not knowing that the pegs are adjustable in a few directions, not just by turning (in a sense like string instrument pegs) thereby ruining the peg(s) and possibly the peg hole(s)…

slowcreekno

They will only want to be sure that the intervals sound right. And if it is an orchestra, everyone’s A4 (440 Hz) must be the same as everyone else’s. It is also notable that many of those instruments that can be tuned are optimized for their standard tuning, and sound better when tuned at the correct pitch.

cthulhu

So, which of the little dots in the asterism is HD 84406 (which, BTW, you called 88406 once)???

Also note that the Home Depot page gives you https://www.homedepot.com/p/KOHLER-Float-Service-Kit-30652/203782561 if you ask it for an 84406.

cthulhu

I can’t help thinking that an asterism sounds like a spasming medical affliction of the lower bowel…..

cthulhu

The chart has references on it — any idea of where the star is against those references?

cthulhu

So, if you take the star between Dubhe and Muscida, it’s in that blank spot between that and M81?

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Good GRIEF, that kit is overpriced!

FluidMaster stuff is great, IMO.

pgroup2

Democrat owned?

pgroup2

Our little neck of the woods gets its dander up over vax mandates:

https://keypennews.org/stories/kp-civic-center-board-criticized-for-considering-vax-proof,5188

TheseTruths

Cannot comprehend 1560 trillion miles. It doesn’t compute. It’s also hard to imagine the creators of the JWST being able to plan for all the things that have to happen and to make them occur in just the right order and at the right time. I appreciate it, even though I don’t understand it, because it’s an amazing feat of real science.

scott467

“Admittedly the distinction probably isn’t clear to those who are neither engineers or scientists.”

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I understand.

The engineer drives the train, the scientists ride in the caboose 👍 😁

cthulhu

While the Engineer may drive the train, the highest ranking individual on board….

…..is the Conductor (think orchestra).

The Conductor on a train may seem to be counting heads and checking manifests and taking tickets, but his responsibility is the business-end of the operation of the train. As such, he is the chief representative of the (likely corporate) owners of the train and is the final arbiter of all decisions.

Trains, like so much else, operate according to the Golden Rule — he who has the Gold, makes the Rules.

scott467

“While the Engineer may drive the train, the highest ranking individual on board….

…..is the Conductor (think orchestra).”

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Sometimes it’s the monkey. 👍 😁

cthulhu

That may often be true if you don’t have a full complement of personnel on board. If you’re train’s current staffing is a monkey, you are entirely correct.

scott467

“That may often be true…”

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Not very often, I suspect.

Only had to happen once to write a song about it 😂

cthulhu

No, I flubbed it. There’s no Conductor in this video, for instance:

ForGodandCountry

Much like trying to comprehend “eternity”, much less 1,000,000 years, when living to 100 is an extraordinary accomplishment.

TheseTruths

Shawn Faresh: Trump the Weatherman, Blizzard Forecast!

ForGodandCountry

Thursday, Jan. 27, was Holocaust Memorial Day.

This evening I learned, for the first time, of the story Nicolas Winton.

From Wiki:

Sir Nicholas George Winton MBE (born Wertheim; 19 May 1909 – 1 July 2015) was a British banker and humanitarian who established an organisation to rescue children at risk from Czechoslovakia. Born to German-Jewish parents who had emigrated to Britain at the beginning of the 20th century, Winton supervised the rescue of 669 children, most of them Jewish, from Czechoslovakia on the eve of World War II. Winton found homes for the children and arranged for their safe passage to Britain.[1] This operation was later known as the Czech Kindertransport (German for “children’s transport”).

His work went unnoticed by the world for nearly 50 years, until 1988 when he was invited to the BBC television programme That’s Life!, where he was reunited with dozens of the children he had saved and was introduced to many of their children and grandchildren. 

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It turns out that…

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Winton suppressed his humanitarian exploits for decades…

….his rescue achievements went unnoticed for half a century until 1988 when his wife found a detailed scrapbook in their attic, containing lists of the children, including their parents’ names as well as the names and addresses of the families that took them in. She gave the scrapbook to Elisabeth Maxwell, a Holocaust researcher and wife of media magnate Robert Maxwell.

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This set into motion a chain of events, beginning with the BBC reaching out to contact as many of the children (now adults) as it could. These efforts culminated in a special episode of the show “That’s Life!”, wherein Winton had been invited as a special guest, but he did not know what the show was about.

He was seated in the middle of the front row. Lo and behold, the show was about him and the work he had done to save hundreds of mostly jewish children from the Nazis.

Watch….

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Notable people saved by Winton:

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Nicolas Winton, 19 May 1909 – 1 July 2015

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And the King will answer, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these, you did it to me.’
Matthew 25:40

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ForGodandCountry

Aubergine

Oh, my.

Thank you for posting this.

ForGodandCountry

Most welcome.

Thank you for appreciating it

ForGodandCountry

….the contents, that is…..not my having posted it! 🙂

Aubergine

Lol, BOTH!

barkerjim

Wow, must be dusty.

ForGodandCountry

I loved it when the women sitting next to him turned to him. Glorious!

Deplorable Patriot

I’ve seen this a number of times now over a period of years. Always special.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Same here! A great real-life story.

One of the most important lessons from this, is that Winton and his associates acted in the moment where they could NOT know the future, but were suspicious enough to FIRST PREPARE, THEN SEE THE SIGNS, and THEN ACT.

NEVER AGAIN only happens if people (1) remember, (2) prepare, (3) spot the signs in time, and (4) act when the time is right.

And NEVER AGAIN will happen FIRST to people who are NOT JEWS, in my opinion. It will be somebody else.

I repeat. The next attempted genocide will NOT be Jews, unless it’s the clot shot in Israel. I don’t know who it will be, but I’m watching like crazy.

Happy go lucky

I hear crying. Why is my face wet? Oh….right… 😪 

ForGodandCountry

Well now….

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6 New Revelations From The John Durham Spygate Probe

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On Jan. 25, Special Counsel John Durham filed a “discovery update” and a request for an extension of time to provide (defendant) Michael Sussmann documents related to the government’s pending criminal case against the former Hillary Clinton campaign lawyer.

The 19-page court filing reveals some fascinating details about the Sussmann case, the broader special counsel investigation, and most intriguingly an apparent rift between Durham’s team and the Office of Inspector General.

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These questions seem significant given that Sussmann’s meeting with the OIG occurred in March 2017, putting the “discovery” during the Trump administration and ongoing Crossfire Hurricane investigation. With questions like these just arising now, no wonder Durham isn’t done yet with his investigation.

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https://thefederalist.com/2022/01/26/6-new-revelations-from-the-john-durham-spygate-probe/

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Hmmmm. 🤔

Hey Sundance –

If Durham’s job is to provide cover for the DS and muddy the waters, why is he exposing the DS (like the corrupt OIG) and deposing folks under Grand Jury subpoenas, such as Perkins Coie atty and Clinton sleazebag Marc Elias, Jim Baker, and the FBI’s Bill Priestap?

Asking for a “Trust the plan”er.

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Gail Combs

The Wheels of Justice Grind Slowly…..

Especially when you are trying to catch a Hilderbeast in the gears.

marymorse

It ties into Ukraine, corruption, NABU, the FBI server in Ukraine, Ciaramella, and quid pro Joe firing the prosecutor and 10,000 Ukraine judges, imo.

Horowitz was at the Jan. 19-21, 2016 meeting with the Ukraine delegation, organized by Ciaramella. His name appears as a keynote on the agenda that I posted long ago. (Anyone know how to find the link?)

One result of the meeting:

https://nabu.gov.ua/en/novyny/fbi-has-provided-nabu-equipment-digitizing-paper-documents

ForGodandCountry

It’s a giant web of corruption.

cthulhu

Woo…..Sarah Hoyt just dropped a hot Denninger onto the front page of Insty.

ForGodandCountry

This one? It’s scorching. 🔥 🔥 🔥

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Are these crimes worthy of Nuremberg trials? How many people have they killed and treated like penned animals?

We don’t have a count, and we’re never likely to, since, unlike the Nazis, they don’t keep accurate records. (Perhaps because they learned, perhaps because they are unable to find their own butthole with two hands and a seeing eye dog, being in fact 4th generation Marxists, which is to say idiots.)

But if treating all of your citizens as enemies, attempting to torture them, intending to destroy their economy, culture and long-accustomed ways and force them into an unnatural pattern of living and having — as has been stated often — the intention of reducing their numbers and their standard of living is not a crime comparable to those that led to the Nuremberg trials, then we owe the monsters there tried an apology. Because their errors were of the exact same quality and perhaps less ambitious in scope, since they didn’t make war and terror on the vast majority of the population of their country. (Well, they did, in a way, but that was not their aim.)

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It’s time to get back to government by the people for the people, and to most rights devolving to states, municipalities and ultimately individuals.

Or we will need to hang monsters again and again and again. And millions will be sent to their graves in terror and abject horror again and again and again.

Centralized power kills. Efficiently or stupidly, but it kills.

Give no small group of humans the power to kill millions. 

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https://accordingtohoyt.com/2022/01/28/level-setting/

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scott467

“Are these crimes worthy of Nuremberg trials? How many people have they killed and treated like penned animals?”

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The killing doesn’t stop until someone stops the killers.

The thing about the Nuremberg trials is they didn’t happen until after the war was won.

And if the war wasn’t won, the Nuremberg trials never happen, at all.

ForGodandCountry

True. However…

Please stop pretending that nothing is being done to stop the killers and win the war.

And while you’re at it, please stop pretending that violence and armed resistance is the only alternative left to do so. It’s not. THAT is a measure of last resort, lest we prove ourselves no better and no different than the evil we fight against.

Christian America, which is to say, the overwhelming majority of MAGA conservatives, understand this all too well.

Are you a christian, Scott?

scott467

“Please stop pretending that nothing is being done to stop the killers and win the war.”

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What is being done to stop the killers and win the war?

I don’t mean narratives that make us feel better, or symbolic protests which don’t dislodge a single tyrant from power… I mean real evidence and provable things that are actually stopping the killers and winning the war.

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“And while you’re at it, please stop pretending that violence and armed resistance is the only alternative left to do so. It’s not.”

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That’s good news, because so far, I haven’t found a single example in all of human history where force was not ultimately necessary to remove tyranny.

What did you find?

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“THAT is a measure of last resort, lest we prove ourselves no better and no different than the evil we fight against.”

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How many more hundreds of thousands of innocent Americans have to die, before you are satisfied that our virtue is sufficient?

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“Christian America, which is to say, the overwhelming majority of MAGA conservatives, understand this all too well.”

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Or they’re just like most everybody else throughout time, in that “all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.”

You don’t need to be a Christian to do that, just human.

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“Are you a christian, Scott?”

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Are you?

That would be an interesting conversation, wouldn’t it?

Just you and me and a Bible, to see whose beliefs and practices are in accordance with God’s Word, and whose aren’t?

Were many of our Founding Fathers Christians, and most Americans
at that time?

Did they fight for their freedom from tyranny, and did God bless their efforts?

Or did they concoct narratives to make themselves feel better, and virtue signal over their shoulder as they ran away?

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ForGodandCountry

What is being done to stop the killers and win the war?

I think this is a disingenuous question, given you read and participate here.

That’s good news

Indeed it is.

What did you find?

That you conveniently overlook the example of MLK Jr. and the civil rights movement, for starters. But then, that’s intentional and representative of your dishonest debate…assuming of course you are as well acquainted with history as you claim.

How many more hundreds of thousands of innocent Americans have to die, before you are satisfied that our virtue is sufficient?

Oh, is there a magic number? And why must I be satisfied?

they’re just like most everybody else throughout time

Yup. All are sinners. We do indeed have our own selves to blame. That doesn’t mean we stop trying to live up to the ideals enshrined in both the Constitution and the bible.

Are you?

Another disingenuous and intellectually dishonest question. Moreover, one that seeks to deflect and not answer the question put to you directly….which, in my life experience, gives us the answer.

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scott467

“I think this is a disingenuous question, given you read and participate here.”

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In other words, you can’t answer the question, so you dodge.

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“That you conveniently overlook the example of MLK Jr. and the civil rights movement, for starters.”

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MLK provoked violence as a tactic, and when that didn’t achieve the desired sympathy from the American public, he used children as human shields and provoked violence against them:

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Today, King is remembered for “I have a dream and “the content of their character.” For our purposes, he’s about nonviolence, turning the other cheek and loving thy enemy. In contemporary textbooks and collective memory, his was a non-confrontational, even passive approach.

But the civil rights movement wasn’t seen as nonviolent in its dayand for good reason. The most jarring evidence of this came just a month after King’s Birmingham jail letter. In May 1963, movement organizers assembled black children , some still in pigtails, to march through the streets of Birmingham and confront Bull Connor’s violent police force.

It was a controversial tactic within the movement, but organizers must have known that images of jailed, beaten and cowering children would affect hearts, force a response from officials and move the movement toward its goals.

“They couldn’t have been ignorant of the terrible response,” says King biographer and New York University historian David Levering Lewis. “King and his inner circle appreciated the probable certainty of violence on the part of the establishment to trigger responses that they wanted, in terms of legislation and policies.” The children called it “D-Day.

Connor didn’t disappoint. He attacked the marchers with German shepherds and baton-wielding policemen. Connor’s army funneled hundreds of children and teenagers into overcrowded jail cells. Still, the kids returned to the streets the next day.

And the day after that. Malcolm X, whom history treats as the movement’s violent alter ego, criticized King for the event, saying that “real men don’t put their children on the firing line.” King, on the other hand, called it “one of the wisest moves we made.”

The Children’s Crusade changed the way the movement was covered by the press. Where the crushing effects of segregated schools hadn’t won hearts, where brutal, state-sanctioned beatings of hymn-singing black men and women hadn’t gained sympathy, the nation couldn’t ignore the images of children recoiling from the raised batons of sneering police officers. Only the most distressing type of violence worked.

This was King’s strategy. “Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed,” he said — an aggressive and confrontational stance that Americans rejected at the time and have forgotten today.”
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And besides all that, did MLK overthrow tyranny?

Have the lives of black people been improved, or made worse?

What do the statistics say?

Education, poverty, broken homes, children out of wedlock, abortions, crime, violence?

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“But then, that’s intentional and representative of your dishonest debate…”

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You always seek to attack the motives and intents of those with whom you disagree, calling them ‘dishonest’, because you can’t win on the merits.

If you could, you wouldn’t have to resort to that weak-sauce 😂

You frequently appear to live in a world of unreality — and that’s fine — but when you attempt to force your unreality onto others, I’m always going to point out when the emperor wears no clothes, every single time, until or unless you can ever produce the garments 😁

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“…assuming of course you are as well acquainted with history as you claim.”

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Where did I claim that — and why would I need to?

How much history does one have to know, to understand that if tyrannical regimes could be removed by peaceful means, there would be no tyrannical regimes in the world — today, or ever?

It is the use of force by which tyranny takes power, and it is the use of force by which tyranny maintains power.

How are you going to overcome that, ultimately, without meeting their force with greater force? Why would tyrants relinquish power otherwise?

In the real world, how many examples in all of human history can you think of, where force was not ultimately required to remove a tyrannical regime?

Where has it ever happened in human history?

It’s such a simple and direct and revealing question.

This time you tried to throw MLK under the bus to cover your retreat, but what tyrannical regime did MLK ever overthrow?

How’d that work out for MLK?

Why don’t we just ask him?

Oh, wait…

In the real world, did MLK remove any regime, tyrannical or otherwise?

Or did the tyrannical regime remove MLK?

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“Oh, is there a magic number? And why must I be satisfied?”

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You tell me dodge-boy, aren’t you the one who keeps arguing for the narrative, while children, the elderly, women and men are being murdered by the thousands, every day of the week?

Aren’t you the one who needs to prove and demonstrate his virtue, that we are ‘better’ and “different than the evil we fight against” — which in reality, means allowing the enemy to riot in our blood?

How many more Americans need to be murdered, before you feel we have demonstrated that we are ‘better’ and ‘different’ than our murderers?

How long do you intend to pay that price with other peoples’ blood?

And how morally superior does that really make you?

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“Yup. All are sinners.”

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Except in this case, the sin is allowing psychopaths and monsters to murder women and children, and concocting convenient narratives that somebody else is taking care of it, so we can just sit back and eat popcorn while the enemy riots in our blood.

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“We do indeed have our own selves to blame.”

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Speak for yourself, I’m not deluding anyone that we can wish ourselves out of this.

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“That doesn’t mean we stop trying to live up to the ideals enshrined in both the Constitution and the bible.”

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Which ideal in the Bible upholds shirking our duty to protect and provide for our families, and to be our brother’s keeper also — and instead, supports standing down to allow vicious criminals to slaughter innocent women, children and elderly — by the millions?

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Thomas Jefferson on the Constitution: “A strict observance of the written law is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest.

The laws of necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation.

To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to the written law, would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the ends to the means.” — The Constitution is not a suicide pact
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“Another disingenuous and intellectually dishonest question.
Moreover, one that seeks to deflect and not answer the question put to you directly…”

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You mean exactly as you just did?

How does the rank hypocrisy escape your notice?

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“…which, in my life experience, gives us the answer.”

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Did I not invite you to have a conversation, with me and with an open Bible, to examine and see whose beliefs and practices are according to God’s Word, and whose are not?

Is that not about as far from ‘deflecting’ your question as a person could get?

Do you not regularly trumpet your Christian virtue before all?

And now seek to entice others to follow your ways?

Why not compare our beliefs and practices to what God’s Word actually says?

Wouldn’t an intellectually honest person want to know?

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ForGodandCountry

In other words, you can’t answer the question, so you dodge.

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So, you can’t list all the ways and means being undertaken despite your reading here. I think you can. And as such, IMHO, you engage in dishonest debate.

Well, I tried. You’ll please forgive me for not reading and responding to the rest of your post. I have better things to do with my time.

Go ahead and advocate for violence. I will do the opposite.

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I did what I shouldn’t have done and read a little further. I find it amusing, and twisted, that you choose to call “D-Day” a use of violence on Dr. King’s part. Controversial? Sure. Violent? Only on the part of Conner and his racists…not the protestors.

Nice try, though. A clever rhetorical attempt. But more evidence it is a waste of time to hope for honest debate with you.

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scott467

“So, you can’t list all the ways and means being undertaken despite your reading here. I think you can. And as such, IMHO, you engage in dishonest debate.”

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Wow, that is breathtakingly juvenile…

This will apparently come as a surprise, but it’s not my place in the debate to make your argument for you… 😂 🤣 😂

scott467

“Go ahead and advocate for violence.”

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Where did I advocate for violence, Captain Strawman?

In your mind, is pointing out reality equivalent to advocating for violence?

And if so, then by rejecting violence, how do you not necessarily reject reality also?

scott467

“I did what I shouldn’t have done and read a little further.”

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You always do! 😂

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“I find it amusing, and twisted, that you choose to call “D-Day” a use of violence on Dr. King’s part.”

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But I didn’t say that, it’s just your own Straw Man, you lyin’ sack of buffoonery… 😂 🤣 😂

Here’s what I actually said: “MLK provoked violence as a tactic, and when that didn’t achieve the desired sympathy from the American public, he used children as human shields and provoked violence against them:”

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“Controversial? Sure. Violent? Only on the part of Conner and his racists…not the protestors.”

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Sure, like telling your kids to go play in traffic. Not your fault if anything happens to them, right?

Violent? Only on the part of the motorists, right?

You are so terrible at this, I don’t know why you even play… 😂 🤣 😂

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ForGodandCountry

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TheseTruths

And if the war wasn’t won, the Nuremberg trials never happen, at all.

It was all very “clean.” A hot war was fought and many people could see who was on which side. Japan’s surrender documents were signed on September 2, 1945. The Allies were the clear victors. The Nuremberg trial of the major war criminals was planned and started almost immediately, on November 20, 1945.

I’m not saying that for the purpose of arguing any point. I just notice the differences.

scott467

Yes, it’s very convenient that the black hats acknowledge no war is taking place, and if there are any white hats, they don’t acknowledge that any war is taking place either.

If there are no white hats actually fighting the black hats, then there is no war, just submission and surrender, hiding behind a narrative that pretends otherwise.

We see visible evidence of the black hats advancing and taking ground, every single day.

What we do not see, is visible evidence of any white hats causing any damage to the black hats. And one cannot defeat an enemy without causing him damage.

And since no ‘war’ is ever declared, no ‘terms of victory’ are ever set, either.

So like the ‘war on terror’, it can never be won, because there can be no universally accepted definition of ‘terror’, and there is no definition of ‘victory’ over it, as an objective to be sought.

So the ‘war on terror’ is an endless war, by definition.

Even more so, a ‘war’ that is never even acknowledged to actually be taking place is similarly endless, because a war that has never officially started, obviously cannot ever be ended.

So we just live in a parallel universe with all the destruction of war, but without acknowledging the war, so the war can never be won or ended.

So if the war is never acknowledged, the war can never end.

And if the war can never end (much less be won), the Nuremberg trials never happen, at all.

It is maddening that so many people simply refuse to see reality as a linear progression of reason and logic.

No less maddening than taking with Branch Covidians about basic logic regarding all of the facts and evidence around the vaccine mafia, and the obvious implications and consequences of same. 👍

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ForGodandCountry

What we do not see, is visible evidence of any white hats causing any damage to the black hats.

SCOTUS decision against mandates?
VA (blue state) Gov election?
Biden getting crushed in the polls?
Voter enthusiasm…us vs. them?
Companies like GE, Boeing, Starbucks, and many others dropping vax mandates?
Other countries dropping vax mandates and vax passport schemes…right when Biden regime is doubling down?
The Ukrainian embarrassment Biden has now gotten himself into?

Nothing?

It’s all bad news….nothing good? All hope is lost?

scott467

What did any supposed ‘white hats’ have to do with a single thing you listed, and if you believe supposed ‘white hats’ did have direct involvement to cause a single one of those things to come about, what is your evidence?

Furthermore, how does ANY of it end up with the desired result of removing the tyrants from power?

It’s not that you never connect those dots, it’s as if you never see that the dots need to be connected in the first place.

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“SCOTUS decision against mandates?”

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How does that ever result in the removal of a tyrannical government, either singularly or cumulatively with your other hopium?

I don’t know if you’re keeping score, but the the 2020 election was stolen and the United States government was taken over by a hostile foreign adversary.

We have already lost nearly a million Americans on our own soil.

The hostile foreign leadership is offshore, so there is no reason for them to ever back down, no reason to not fight until the last pawn or puppet is sacrificed, because they’re safe on the other side of the world.

Presumably (and it’s a big presumption at this point) you understand that a vicious criminal and their willing puppets are not ever going to simply vacate the positions of power and authority they have stolen.

Not unless someone FORCES them to leave.

You can call that ‘force’ whatever you like, I know you have an obsession with ‘violence’, so to you ‘force’ means ‘violence’.

I don’t care what you call it, but at the end of the day, unless the tyrants have no other choice, they won’t ever just give up and leave on their own volition.

So at some point, at some time, some ONE is going to have to apply FORCE of some KIND.

Even if every person on the planet showed up for a protest, so long as none of those people stormed the building where the tyrants were located, why would the tyrants ever leave?

The fact that you refuse to grasp this basic, simple concept indicates that you don’t want to grasp it.

It’s hard to imagine what the enemy would want in our camp more, than an agent of irrationality, who continually appealed to actions that have no basis in reality for achieving the desired objective.

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” VA (blue state) Gov election?”

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How does that ever result in the removal of the tyrannical regime?

Suppose Republicans win EVERY SINGLE STATE governorship in the Union. How does that force [JB] to surrender for trial?

How are those two things connected in your mind?

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” Biden getting crushed in the polls?”

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How many tyrannical regimes have ever been vanquished based on unpopularity?

It would he hilarious, if it wasn’t so sad…

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“Voter enthusiasm…us vs. them?”

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Suppose every person in America, all 350+ million, voted against [JB].

Why would that matter, if the machines are rigged and the regime counts the votes?

What will it take for you to connect those dots?

Why would they ever leave at this point, having been fully exposed, unless SOMEONE grabbed them by the pants and jacket and FORCEFULLY removed them?

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“Companies like GE, Boeing, Starbucks, and many others dropping vax mandates?”

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Great victory… how does that remove a tyrannical regime?

What’s the connective tissue between dropping vax mandates, and removing the tyrannical regime?

How does the one cause the other to happen?

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“Other countries dropping vax mandates and vax passport schemes…right when Biden regime is doubling down?”

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So?

How does that make [JB] and the Chicago mafia, and Soros, and Scwabby, and Xi-Jin-pooh, and all the other tyrants, surrender themselves for trial?

Ultimately someone will need to FORCE them to vacate their positions of power, they’re not going to just give up, certainly not when they know they will be held accountable for their crimes and atrocities against humanity.

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“The Ukrainian embarrassment Biden has now gotten himself into?”

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Is that supposed to cause globally united tyrannical regimes around the world to suddenly give up and surrender?

Should we expect [JB] to surrender for trial tomorrow, due to embarrassment over Ukraine?

Really?

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“It’s all bad news….nothing good?”

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Sure, they’re all good, the problem is none of them are materially connected to the necessary objective, i.e., none of them, individually or combined, is going to result in the removal of the criminal regime.

There is no “cause and effect” relationship between the things you cited and the desired objective.

It’s like I’m talking to a hippy flower child who’s stoned out of her mind 😂🤣😂

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“All hope is lost?”

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Not at all.

Can it even be said that ‘hope’ has begun?

How can it, when the things we’re doing have no logical connection with the desired objective?

It’s like being in California and saying you want to go to Florida.

If you go north, that’s great, lots of good things you could cite about going north, but none of them result in reaching the desired destination in Florida.

If you go south, same problem.

If you go west, with enough fuel you could make it around the globe and get there, but why would anybody do that?

Until or unless you start going EAST, why should you have any hope at all, in reaching the desired destination?

Doesn’t ‘hope’ reasonably begin after (or if) you actually start doing something with a legitimate chance to realize whatever the ‘hope’ may be?

cthulhu

The Denninger she dropped was https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=244982 .

https://accordingtohoyt.com/2022/01/28/level-setting/ is from her own blog.

Temperature is rising.

ForGodandCountry

Yes, and with the coming inflation and food shortages We, the People are going to be seriously tested here in America.

After all…

Said inflation and shortages are being intentionally driven to make people mad and become violent, precisely so the fascists can excuse their use of state powers to go after their political opposition while grabbing even more unCostitutional powers for themselves.

Think about it.

Biden wants a war so he can claim war powers. At the same time, he causes hyper-inflation and food shortages.

Hey presto! Then he will claim anyone opposing his regime is insurrectionist, unpatriotic, and aiding America’s “enemy” (Russians)…”justifying” the use of gov’t force to take away our guns and round us up.

They NEED us to turn violent, and they are counting on it.

Read this….

Alt. title:

Inside The DS Plan For ‘22 and ‘24

https://www.revolver.news/2022/01/globalist-big-lie-upcoming-2024-election-coup/

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

This is a good warning.

This is a point which needs to be taken very seriously.

They will steal it again, if possible, and if they can’t, the fake news media will project a steal to their supporters.

Interesting times will ensue.

ForGodandCountry

This is a good warning.

This is a point which needs to be taken very seriously.

Agreed.

We have been discussing the likelihood of all this for a long time now, even if the picture was not as clear a year ago as it is today.

Hence my oft-repeated hopes that MAGA will follow the successful paths shown to us by MLK Jr.

The DS wants and needs folks arguing that “I haven’t found a single example in all of human history where force was not ultimately necessary to remove tyranny”.

They are counting on that…

…which is one reason why they murdered MLK at age 39…to stop his peace movement….and the example it provided.

if they can’t, the fake news media will project a steal to their supporters.

Perfect.

Then they make the argument we want them to make. By all means, let us investigate the elections…not just 2024 but also 2020!! 😎

“Damned if they do, damned if they don’t.”

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TheseTruths

The DS wants and needs folks arguing that “I haven’t found a single example in all of human history where force was not ultimately necessary to remove tyranny”.

These continued drive-by swipes at Scott get really tiresome. IMO, it would be better if you could hash it out with him, either here or on the UTree, and stop the innuendo. Alternatively, allow him to express his opinion as you do yours, and ignore him. But I wish you would stop the passive-aggressive continuation of disagreements you have with him.

cthulhu

Or vice-versa.

I get a bit weary when the Scott tirades are >20% of thread text. FG&C doesn’t have nearly the word count.

scott467

“The DS wants and needs folks arguing that “I haven’t found a single example in all of human history where force was not ultimately necessary to remove tyranny”
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They are counting on that…”

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So that means they’re counting on reality, on actual human history.

What does that mean you’re counting on?

😂

scott467

“…which is one reason why they murdered MLK at age 39…”

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Was MLK trying to overthrow a tyrannical regime, was that his objective?

If not, then what does his movement, peaceful or otherwise, have to do with the current situation, or the removal of any tyrannical regime?

Different objectives, different requirements.

Aubergine

I just don’t think it will be possible.

The next Presidential election is going to be a ROUT.

When it “looks” like it’s 50/50, it isn’t that hard to steal an election. I know, I know, 15 people in a circle for Biden, etc. BUT, that can only happen ONCE. Americans will NOT go for the pandemic porn again, even IF there is a real pandemic, which is actually the scary part. Because if there was a real pandemic, how many Americans will say “meh, bullshit” and go on about their lives, only to be stricken by whatever disease it is?

The next election is going to feature hundreds of hitherto unheard of poll watchers, because there is no more “consent decree,” and local election boards have recruited a ton of passionate people. Can you imagine the response this time if poll watchers are told to leave in the middle of the night, or windows are covered in a counting room? I can, and it’s not pretty.

I think the Dems are toast this time, and I think they know it. I am a skeptical girl, but they were too blatant with their bullshit last time, and too many people saw through it. Could be wishful thinking on my part, but I think they will withdraw and try again another year. Commies play the long game. We will have to fight this battle again, but after the next Republican president.

I am also not entirely convinced Trump will run again. But we’ll see.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Great comments! If you’re right, then the Dems and their MSM will go for 4 years of a “stolen election” narrative, despite the rout, and despite the fact that normies will see clearly that it was a rout, and that the “Bush Stole It”-type narrative will be a bunch of crap.

Aubergine

Thanks, Wolf! Means a lot that you think so. And I do think they will scream “cheater” like a bunch of sore losers, but if we get Trump again, he can’t run for re-election, and has nothing to lose.

scott467

“Could be wishful thinking on my part, but I think they will withdraw and try again another year.”

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How can they withdraw, after their criminality, their atrocities and crimes against humanity, have been exposed so thoroughly?

And would doubtless be exposed in totality if they left peacefully?

Resulting in their prosecution, conviction and death sentences?

This is what changed after they were exposed.

Withdrawing to fight another day is no longer an option.

singingsoul1

No better truth spoken.

RAC

Ht Gateway Pundit
https://www.kla.tv/21382

Aubergine

This is really good, and should be read:

Funeral director John O’Looney of the United Kingdom: “I’ve never seen so many deaths….”
UK funeral director J.O’Looney attracted attention in the spring of 2021 when he published dire predictions of a possible increase in deaths for October to December 2021. As a funeral director with insight into death certificates, contacts with pathologists and hospital nurses, he provides anecdotal evidence and comparisons. His personal experiences during the Corona crisis, including what happened to medical care at Covid in England are chilling.

holly
ForGodandCountry

A Peek Inside the Ruling Elite’s Playbook to Kneecap Trump, Purge Military, and Neutralize MAGA

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The Biden/Obama regime wishes to purge conservatives in the military and national security establishment, crackdown on gun owners and conservative organizations, assume greater federal control over state and local police, and censor and repress all political dissent to rig the 2024 election. For this regime, the only available justification for such a coup is the specter of January 6, so they must exaggerate its importance all out of proportion to reality, while simultaneously avoiding any real investigation that could puncture the narrative. The one-off incident of January 6 has been cast as a “permanent insurrection,” a bloody shirt that Democrats and our anemic overlords can wave whenever needed to justify a new and previously-unprecedented power grab.

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https://www.revolver.news/2022/01/globalist-big-lie-upcoming-2024-election-coup/

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Thus they NEED conservatives to turn to violence. They will do everything they can to provoke it.

Jan. 6 did NOT go off as they had hoped. From their standpoint, it FAILED. No rational person in America (the majority) see Jan. 6 as what the left portrays it as being.

Prior to this, they had hoped and intended for the ANTIFA riots to spark conservative violence. That, too, failed.

THE DS PLAN AS OUTLINED ABOVE WILL FAIL PROVIDED THAT AMERICA FOLLOWS THE BLUEPRINT LAID DOWN AND DEMONSTRATED BY MLK JR. NON-VIOLENT, PEACEFUL PROTEST AND NON-COMPLIANCE UNDERMINES THEIR WHOLE PLAN.

Consider where they would be in the court of public opinion had MAGA reacted violently to either the riots of 2020 or Jan. 6 had turned ugly (vs. people strolling through the capital as was largely the case). As it is, public opinion has turned DRAMATICALLY against the Biden/Obama regime. Peaceful protest and resistance only makes the inflammatory rhetoric and actions of the regime look even more insane and unhinged.

They need our violent reaction to them.

Deny it, and we win.

Just as MLK showed the violent, southern racists (democrats) in his day when they sought to provoke the same violent reaction from the civil rights marchers. Those democrats wanted to round them all up and jail them for reacting to the racists provocations….same plan then, same plan today.

The ULTIMATE revenge against today’s fascist racists (democrats) would be WHITE MAGA AMERICA following the examples and lessons delivered by a BLACK AMERICAN ICON.

He sought to gain civil rights….we seek to restore them.

IT WOULD BE A STAKE INTO THE HEART OF THE REAL RACISTS IN AMERICA…

…the democrap party.

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Deplorable Patriot

I’ve been thinking about this. The group(s) who consider themselves to be at the top of the food chain (which would collapse without the people at the bottom who actually produce food) are so engrained in their bubble, they have zero idea what is outside of it. I mean none. In fact, many of the people on the other side politically don’t even entertain the idea that people in their circles may not agree with them.

Due to circumstance, I used to sit next to an older Jewish/Atheist woman (her description, not mine) when I was in Symphony Chorus and she used to constantly harp on the violence of the TEA Party people. Her source telling her that we were violent was MSNBC, and she looked no farther. It’s the same with a whole lot of “educated” people I know. They honestly think that conservatives, or the right wing, can be provoked into violence. The possibility that most traditional Americans are, at heart, peace loving and can see through the traps doesn’t enter into their thinking.

The bubble people honestly thought and still think that they have us under the spell of entertainment and media vehicles. That the chains of Project Mockingbird have been breaking steadily since the late 1980s just doesn’t penetrate the majority. They honestly think we are manipulatable.

They thought and think wrong, but few will admit it.

Yes, peaceful non-violence works, and that’s why the trucker convoys and any strike by not just them, but rail, barge and other cargo transportation workers would put an end to a lot of this nonsense real quick.

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TradeBait2

Agree, D-Pat.

Peaceful resistance added with education of the reality at ground level.

And yes, even changing the leftist flow at the school board level helps. We need more than that, but it does help.

The trucker convoy provides hope. Moar of that please. From every corner of the planet.

One final note – I have been shocked and actually dismayed by the number of people I formerly viewed as intelligent who are accomplished in their careers and life that are actually held captive by the pure BS spewed by the fake news media.

It turns out that their faith was also about an inch deep. Critical thinking has totally escaped their reality.

Aubergine

There’s all kinds of violence, DP. If truckers strike, and workers quit, so that there is no food on grocery store shelves, that is a very real form of violence.

All those trucks in Ottawa should be delivering something that people need. Some of it may be necessary to SURVIVAL in Canada in winter, i.e. heating oil. So, this protest is definitely a form of violence, just not the kind we usually view that way.

We are living in interesting times.

Barb Meier

I have seen a lot of videos of the truckers. I get propane and also see trucks delivering to gas stations. I have not seen one truck in the convoy that would deliver gas or propane. Those are dangerous trucks to operate and I suspect their drivers would not risk huge caravans and a risk of accident that might blow them up.

Gail Combs

You are correct. Actually empty those tanks are even more lethal than full. However those drivers may be just driving their rigs or the family pick-up truck.

As far as it being violent, as in DENYING service? Isn’t INJECTING A TOXIN that may/will kill you violence and thus don’t you have a right to prevent that violence against your person?

At this point we have zero idea of how many will be dead or sterile from the clot shot in five years but it certainly will not be zero and it could very well be a large percentage.

Deplorable Patriot

Thank you. I didn’t know quite how to say it. If bullets aren’t flying and punches aren’t being thrown, it’s peaceful.

Aubergine

I’m thinking of it like this:

violence
vī′ə-ləns
noun

Behavior or treatment in which physical force is exerted for the purpose of causing damage or injury.

Intense force or great power, as in natural phenomena.

Extreme or powerful emotion or expression.

“As in” doesn’t mean “only in.” Violence can be the use of extreme power over another, without a blow being landed, ever.

Another definition, this from Webster’s:

Essential Meaning of violence
1 : the use of physical force to harm someone, to damage property, etc. an act of violence They need to learn how to settle their arguments without resorting to violence. See More Examples
2 : great destructive force or energy The violence of the storm caused great fear.

The word “violent” covers a lot of ground.

Gail Combs

Having lived in Communist Boston, I very much agree with you. They are so much in lock step, so intolerant of outside ideas, that they are ossified.

It is one of the reasons I periodically post The Philosophy Of Karl Marx

Thus, Hegel accepted as real only that which existed in the mind. Objective phenomena and events were of no consequence; only the con­ceptions of them possessed by human minds were real. Ideas, not ob­jects, were the stuff of which the universe was made.

Anyone who thinks “Objective phenomena and events were of no consequence” is going to have reality come up and bite them in the ass. Unfortunately College kids with their safe spaces and Corporate HR departments that coddle them, do not provide the 2 X 4 up side the head they need.

Maybe Truckers will provide that 2 X 4 of reality.

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Gail Combs

I read that to hubby and he laughed.

TheseTruths

The possibility that most traditional Americans are, at heart, peace loving and can see through the traps doesn’t enter into their thinking.

They especially think that about 2nd Amendment supporters. In their minds, anyone with a gun could “go off” at any moment.

Deplorable Patriot

Yeah. I was working at the library at one of the med schools, and there was a class in how to use software for sketch artists, and a bunch of cops were taking it. They walked in, not in uniform, but with their sidearms on them like they are supposed to have, and it FREAKED OUT the soft handed crowd. “Are those people carrying GUNS?!” “They’re police officers taking a class.” “But do they have to wear them in here?”

Wow, was that demonstrative.

cthulhu

They are a talisman of evil, far removed from the machined metal artifact frequently used as a tool.

scott467

“Yes, peaceful non-violence works,”

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To accomplish what?

It works for some things, and not for others.

If there has ever been a tyrannical regime that was removed by peaceful protest, in all of human history, what was it?

Where did it happen?

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“,,,and that’s why the trucker convoys and any strike by not just them, but rail, barge and other cargo transportation workers would put an end to a lot of this nonsense real quick.”

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Put an end to what nonsense?

What does that mean?

Do you think the Alinksy communists in power would turn into good people and begin governing with righteousness and good tidings?

Or would they just pivot to the next scheme, the next jackboot to place on our throats?

Suppose everything in the country stopped, came to a screeching halt.

And every person who is not the DS united and protested.

What is the magic thing that is supposed to happen, that causes the tyrannical regime to surrender themselves to trial for atrocities and crimes against humanity, as opposed to remaining in power and control of the apparatus of government, law enforcement and the military?

Why would they give that up?

Without being forced to do so?

Why won’t anyone answer that question?

Aubergine

I can’t speak for Scott, and I don’t mean to, but you and I are interpreting what he is advocating very differently.

What I have seen in Scott’s posts is a call for our military to do what he perceives is its JOB, and put an end to this. They should have done it when we realized that foreign powers had subverted an election, but they didn’t. Scott has said this many times, and I agree with him. The military is derelict in this regard.

I don’t think We the People should resort to violence or conflict. To defend our country against foreign interference is the military’s job, and they haven’t done it. Yet.

ForGodandCountry

They should have done it when we realized that foreign powers had subverted an election

A few questions, please…remembering in answering each that Obama spent almost a decade purging the branches of the military of it’s conservative leadership…while keeping folks like Gen. Mattis…and in this same period of time the national media became a full-blown mouthpiece for the left.

Wouldn’t THEY (the military) have to realize that, same as us?

What percentage of the military is as deeply informed as Qtree?

Assuming most were as informed as the public at large, which is to say significantly less than Qtree, what percentage would take up arms against it’s chain-of-command and mutiny against same?

What percentage would be necessary for success?

How would the leaders of the mutiny know and be confident of that percentage among the military?

Do you think a majority of the nation would support some percentage of the military rising up against the chain-of-command?

If it were anything less than, say 2/3rds, do you think it would succeed?

If it succeeded, how long would that victory last?

Describe the aftermath. How does it transfer power back to civilian oversight with the peaceful acceptance of the public?

Most of importantly of all….

What would be the consequences of failure?

Could it make a bad situation even worse? How?

Shouldn’t this be a LAST resort, given that 1) such a thing has never happened before in the Republic’s history and 2) the laws of unintended consequences?

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Personally, given the incredibly dangerous uncertainties above, I think it folly to condemn the small percentage of the military that does see and understand what we do, but are thinking of these questions (which, btw, would be incredibly difficult, at best, to answer with any kind certainty). We cannot reasonably condemn those who don’t…only those who do see and are true traitors, like Vindman.

Just MHO.

Btw, I don’t really. expect you to answer these questions. Or Scott, ftm. I don’t think they can be answered to anyone’s satisfaction.

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Aubergine

I agree entirely with your last statement. I don’t think there are ANY GOOD ANSWERS at this point. And here we are.

ForGodandCountry

I disagree. There IS a good answer.

MLK showed us the way.

Moreover, that path is not only demonstratively successful, it is also scripturally sound doctrine.

”In God we trust” wasn’t just a pithy statement to those who enshrined it as one of our national mottos, and it certainly wasn’t for Dr. King.

If God be for us, none can stand against us. Dr. King is a monument to this truth, because Dr. King was a peacemaker who rejected violence and uprising as a means to the end.

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Right now, the answer is clear. INFORMATION is the weapon of choice!!! FAITH and PATIENCE and ACTION TO PREPARE are the shields of choice.

Gail Combs

INFORMATION WAR!

And it has been going on for decades.

As the Truckers in Canada (And I really hope they are headed for the USA) have shown, People have to AGREE to be ruled because there are a heck of a lot MORE of us than them.

scott467

“I disagree. There IS a good answer.

MLK showed us the way.”

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How did that work out for MLK?

Did he bring a tyrannical regime to an end?

Or did a tyrannical regime bring him to an end?

Aubergine

That was my first thought.

scott467

“”In God we trust” wasn’t just a pithy statement to those who enshrined it as one of our national mottos, and it certainly wasn’t for Dr. King.”

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Right, that’s the same way our Founding Fathers defeated the British, they just sat back and waited for God to handle it, everybody knows that… 👍😂🤣😂

scott467

“If God be for us, none can stand against us.”

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So what does that mean for you? Does it mean we can just sit back, eat some popcorn, and God will smite the Deep State for us?

The same way our Founding Fathers sat back, and let imaginary white hats defeat the British?

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“Dr. King is a monument to this truth,”

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He’s certainly a monument to historical revisionism…

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“because Dr. King was a peacemaker who rejected violence and uprising as a means to the end.”

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While using children as human shields to provoke violence as a tactic…

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Today, King is remembered for “I have a dream and “the content of their character.” For our purposes, he’s about nonviolence, turning the other cheek and loving thy enemy. In contemporary textbooks and collective memory, his was a non-confrontational, even passive approach.

But the civil rights movement wasn’t seen as nonviolent in its dayand for good reason. The most jarring evidence of this came just a month after King’s Birmingham jail letter. In May 1963, movement organizers assembled black children , some still in pigtails, to march through the streets of Birmingham and confront Bull Connor’s violent police force.

It was a controversial tactic within the movement, but organizers must have known that images of jailed, beaten and cowering children would affect hearts, force a response from officials and move the movement toward its goals.

“They couldn’t have been ignorant of the terrible response,” says King biographer and New York University historian David Levering Lewis. “King and his inner circle appreciated the probable certainty of violence on the part of the establishment to trigger responses that they wanted, in terms of legislation and policies.” The children called it “D-Day.

Connor didn’t disappoint. He attacked the marchers with German shepherds and baton-wielding policemen. Connor’s army funneled hundreds of children and teenagers into overcrowded jail cells. Still, the kids returned to the streets the next day.

And the day after that. Malcolm X, whom history treats as the movement’s violent alter ego, criticized King for the event, saying that “real men don’t put their children on the firing line.” King, on the other hand, called it “one of the wisest moves we made.”

The Children’s Crusade changed the way the movement was covered by the press. Where the crushing effects of segregated schools hadn’t won hearts, where brutal, state-sanctioned beatings of hymn-singing black men and women hadn’t gained sympathy, the nation couldn’t ignore the images of children recoiling from the raised batons of sneering police officers. Only the most distressing type of violence worked.

This was King’s strategy. “Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed,” he said — an aggressive and confrontational stance that Americans rejected at the time and have forgotten today.”
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Gail Combs

IF, there was ABSOLUTE PROOF that election machines WERE tampered with by another country as Mike Lindell claims, and military intelligence, CIA… HID IT and refused to turn it over to Ratcliffe AS ORDERED, then they were traitors.

1.18.21 DNI Ratcliffe: Chinese Election Interference Efforts Suppressed by CIA

In a letter to Congress, Director of National Intelligence (DNI) John Ratcliffe claims that China interfered in the 2020 election and that information was suppressed by CIA “management….

Deplorable Patriot

That’s the implication of 11.3 in the DoD manual.

Gail Combs

Jun 25 2020 …….4524

Good catch.

Coincidence?

Important people understand for future events.

Assumption or intel based?

All assets [F][D] deployed.

[D] + China = 11.3

Q

As of 1/21/22 POTUS can make his moves….

Deplorable Patriot

Yes.

ForGodandCountry

Hence Biden’s sudden need for a manufactured war, perchance?

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Deplorable Patriot

Among other things.

Don’t forget that Ukraine is/was the money laundering and drug distribution center. There’s a lot in Ukraine that will hurt Biden if it falls into the hands of the Russians.

Not that I think the thing is really going to go hot. Right now, it’s just swamp fumes.

Gail Combs

Like or hate Putin the guy is very very smart and very measured. I have a lot more faith in Putin acting in a sane manner then I ever did OhBummer, Bye-Done or Hitlery.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

YES!!! The ROT is deep and it is everywhere. This why a GLOBAL SYSTEMIC (I’m talking programming) change in perspective has to take place.

Stated differently, much of the “Great Awakening” needs to happen in the military as well.

scott467

“Btw, I don’t really. expect you to answer these questions. Or Scott, ftm. I don’t think they can be answered to anyone’s satisfaction.”

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Why not ask the military of Myanmar?

They wrestled with those questions, and reached a very different conclusion.

As for making a bad situation worse, what level of gross criminal negligence would it take to create a scenario worse than millions (possibly tens of millions) of Americans — men, women, and children — being slaughtered indiscriminately in their own country?

Orders of magnitude more innocent lives have been lost around the world than in all the wars America has ever fought, combined.

According to Worldometer, America has lost 1,305,000 people in all the wars going back to the Revolutionary War. Worldometer says, presumably based on ‘official’ statistics, that the Covid Massacre has killed 906,550 Americans so far.

How bad do you have to *&^% up, to create a situation WORSE than what we have now?

With having lost nearly a MILLION Americans in just 2 years, and handing the government of the United States over to a hostile foreign adversary?

scott467

They need our violent reaction to them.

Deny it, and we win.”

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What do we win?

A merit badge?

A virtue ribbon?

As you tell it, if anyone uses force to oppose tyranny, tyranny wins.

And if no one uses force to oppose tyranny, then tyranny has no reason to ever cease, so tyranny wins.

So the gospel of FG&C is that tyranny wins, no matter what we do.

And yet you claim that ‘we win’.

What is it, specifically, that we ‘win’?

If we don’t react violently, what is the connective reasoning that causes the tyrannical regime to abdicate and surrender?

If non-violence is the lever, what’s the fulcrum?

What is it that, ultimately, physically REMOVES the tyrants from positions of power?

You never explain that part, and it seems like it’s the most important part.

Barb Meier

Fair elections. Informed voters.

RAC

Don’t know if this has been posted previously, but Tina Peters wasn’t the only one to make back up copy.
https://asheinamerica.com/2022/01/27/new-evidence-in-colorado-catches-embattled-secretary-of-state-off-guard/

Dora

Deplorable Patriot

He’s right. They want to thin the herd.

Dora

At first it sounded crazy, but by now I do believe it.

Aubergine

Every Conservative they kill is one less counter-vote they have to manufacture.

scott467

Whatever we do, let’s not defend ourselves…

Because that would be bad…