Ground Report – Grandson

This is big enough to be its own story and in unrelated to BIMD. A post on the daily will not do it justice or provide enough valuable information for all of the parents, grandparents and interested others on this wonderful site. It also seeks your assistance.

Historical Situation

Most of you know about this from my previous posts in openers. Summary – developmentally delayed physically, primarily due to being about 3 weeks premature with severe birth/delivery trauma.

During his life to this point – sensory issues that affect his eating and nutrition. 6 percentile on weight, normal height at 54″. Skinny is the operative word. Late walking at 21 months, never did crawl as a baby normally. Hands were uncoordinated due to poor nerve development. Needed PT to learn to walk. Has needed PT recently to do things like learning to jump, catch a ball, dribble a basketball, ride a bike, etc. Receives school OT for those motor skills. All baby teeth had grown in by 14 months (that’s way early). Already has his adult chompers. Adenoids and tonsils out by age 5. Tubes in ears twice already. GI tract biopsy to determine allergy conditions at age 4 because he had been put on reflux meds. Was lactose intolerant. Stopped the reflux meds and made dairy changes.

Developed silent (absence) seizures with the mandatory mask wearing at school two years ago. Hell naw, to clot shots. Never. Seizures would involve eyes fluttering and going into a trance for about 10-15 seconds, after which he would immediately zone back in and resume whatever he was doing. No pain, no recognition that it happened. Pediatrician gave a referral to a local pediatric neurologist. Diagnosed it after exam, blood panel and EEG. Prescribed Ethosuximide, which worked for a few weeks and stopped. Went back in for another EEG study with bloodwork 4 months later. Prescribed Divalproex, which we learned is near narcotic level and used for mental illness issues in adults while being told to also continue the Ethosuximide. Doesn’t help, they make dosage levels adjustments of both, made episodes worse with delusions and nightmares increasing over several months. At this point we were in danger of losing our boy.

Mamaw, Papaw, Mother and Father decide to put an end to over a year and a half of med poison. Mamaw and Papaw seek alternatives and discover some chiro techniques are successful for treating kids with gastric, physical development, etc. issues. Papaw had success recently using one to be able to walk again after his back went out. So, in late April of this year, right before he turned 9 years old, grandson goes to the chiro we heard about from other locals who is at the top of that game for an eval. X-rays and exam are completed and she is very excited. She knows she can help. Our grandson loves her, will do anything she asks. Does the first adjustment using the activator method right then. She makes him feel better emotionally as well as physically from that point on.

She is the first medical professional he has gone to who considered the spine and neck as the primary problem. The first to do an x-ray. All it took was observing him and asking medical questions. She laid out a plan one week later and we followed as recommended. She asks for videos of his progress and wants all medical information from others to evaluate to modify the plan as necessary. Despite all of the PT, use of a nutritional/sensory therapist, use of pediatrician, use of physician specialists, IEP meetings, OT at school – nary a sound from any of them in 9 years about a potential central nervous system issue.

All the while I went on many of his medical exams and IEP meetings with his parents. I explained in many of them about his first two years since Mamaw and I took care of him several days a week during the period while his parents worked. I told them about how he had always opened and shut his hands as a baby laying in the floor like he was trying to feel something. How he would stop and stare at the ceiling at times. We told them and they saw he was delayed on walking and never crawled correctly. He could not do much of anything with his hands that a normal two year old could do.

No response or suggestions other than take him to PT. Nothing.

He stayed on grade level academically except as it applies to physical development related activities. The happiest child ever since birth. The school admin and teachers love him. Plenty of friends and absolutely loves going to school.

Situation – 4.5 Months Later

He is now in monthly maintenance with the chiro. Chiro will do x-rays again the mid part of next month. She anticipates he is in acceptable range or nearly so in all areas based on her observations of his abilities to respond to what she asks him to do. Which is why she will go with monthly maintenance adjustments or as needed from this point on. She states his body will continue to go through retracing and retraining of the central nervous system. To describe, bend a water hose with water running through it together and what happens? The same thing happens to electronic impulses going through a body’s nerve system when there are issues with the spine, neck, etc. They are crimped for a lack of a proper medical term. The body has to retrace to work around the impacted spots. It will not be as effective as if it all flowed the way it is designed by the Creator. Now that it has been fixed for the first time since birth 9 years ago, his body needs time to retrace and be retrained into the proper responses.

Which was all being set back by the med poison given to him by the pediatric neurologist who violated the prescription protocol of the second drug, Divalproex. Who then refused to give weaning instructions to his parents and told them they would regret taking him off the poison meds. Still waiting to regret that decision, azzhat.

The pediatrician refused to override the specialist and give the instructions, said he could lose his medical license. But he fully understood our desire to do so because he had always expressed reservations about the diagnosis. The chiro concurred with our thoughts on how to do it after I consulted with all of you and did my research. Again – thank you! His parents were thrilled we were all in agreement, so they immediately began the process. In 4 weeks the weaning was complete and our grandson was so very happy to not take that nasty stuff.

Meanwhile, we had been taking him to PT for the coordination issues. Literally, all at once he began to do things he could not do before. The chiro visits were multiple times per week in the first month, which was at the same time as PT. It went so well with PT they had nothing left to accomplish after about a month and released him. The silent seizures began changing to more frequent, but much shorter 5 second at most day dream type events with no eye flutter and trance. He also began noticing he was having them for the first time. This was predicted by the chiro who has a niece who suffered from silent seizures that she was also able to help. We learned through the process that stress and anxiety created the seizure events about 90% of the time in our grandson. No stress, no seizure for the most part.

This process has continued all spring and summer. He is no longer lactose intolerant although we are still limiting its intake as a precaution. He absolutely loves goat milk. His appetite has improved although he still needs prompting to eat at times. Chiro recommended pediatric vitamin type supplements with pediatric level fish oil, which were added a month ago. School began in mid August. The supplements seemed to induce more anxiety driven focus events as they hyped him up more than should be happening in a classroom setting. So we stopped them to observe while keeping the chiro informed. The pediatrician gave a referral to a much more respected, successful pediatric neurologist two hours away should he be needed. An appointment was made for December subject to the grandson’s progress. The pediatrician has marveled at his progress since the chiro treatments began.

The chiro teaches other chiros in their professional association nationwide with CE and other events. With his parents permission, which we endorse, she now uses our grandson as a teaching example for their industry. He has become quite the star at their office and has increased their patient load from folks who have witnessed his turnaround.

Current Status

We requested the pediatrician do a full blood panel work up with his annual physical since weaning him off the meds and now that he is entering maintenance with the chiro. We were surprised, not surprised at the results that arrived yesterday. He is about 6 weeks removed from the med poison. His liver, BUN/Creatinine (kidney function) and red blood cells got hit harder. The rest are normal to near normal ranges.

The liver: AST/SGOT is at 44. It should be 15-40. ALT/SGPT is at 45. It should be 10-35.

The kidneys: BUN/Creatinine ratio is 28.6. it should be 7-25.

Red blood cells were visually seen to be larger than normal. The pediatrician says this is somewhat to be expected considering the meds he has been taking and expects it to return to normal.

The pediatrician has ordered a follow-up full panel blood test for early next month to spot trends and determine if a liver study is needed.

His mother called an IEP meeting last week with the school. They now understand what has been happening to our grandson and what the plan is going forward. They are 100% on board and promised to do a better job of logging focus events and activities causing them going forward. One on the team assigned herself to make sure he eats his lunch and has his snack daily as they seem to be keys to reducing the events. They are no longer fearful of his health and see him growing out of the focus issues at some point. They believe he will be a normal student and achieve his academic goals.

We were thrilled he wanted to actually eat the cafeteria food for the very first time instead of packing his lunch this school year.

Favorite food – beef or chicken soft shell tacos. Starting to love to eat good ole comfort food kids love – pizza, hamburgers, corn dogs, spaghetti, along with the tacos. He can have all of that he wants. Wish I could say the same.

Physically he has exploded with activity. He has turned into quite the basketball player. His joints have loosened and he now has fluid movements instead intense jabs and tense muscles. He can jump high and run normally. He mimics his favorite golfer’s swing, Jordan Speith, with fluidity instead of punching at it now. He’s finally a more normal kid physically.

Tears and laughter flow watching it all unfold.

That has increased his confidence greatly. For the first time he is talking back to his parents (chip off the old block – proud Papaw), playing one against the other, and making fun of others including Papaw. Puberty things are happening. Started whining about having to do homework for the first time. In short, he’s developing a bit of a personality and sense of humor – we love it. Of course we get to spoil him and send him home. His Mom and Dad are less enthused, but understand it is a good thing.

Another positive is he is not nearly as jealous of his bossy younger brother. As his confidence has grown he asserts himself. His younger brother is highly intelligent, physically athletic, and an instigator of getting others in trouble. Big brother now believes he can take him.

He had his best day that school academically so far yesterday. His teachers were thrilled. Just a couple of 2 second focus losses. His parents had a serious talk with him over Labor Day weekend about what was going on in his body and mind. They removed the internal pressure he felt to make good grades. He now understands they just want him to give his best efforts, be respectful to his teachers and to treat everybody else well. He seemed relieved and as happy as we have seen him in quite some time yesterday afternoon.

We Still Need and Value Your Input

Please offer your counsel on how to improve the blood functions described. We are focusing on increasing his food intake, which is helping. We know to keep him hydrated with non-kidney damaging fluids. We know to keep him active, which has increased exponentially. He sleeps well for the first time in his life now. We all believe he will outgrow the focus lapses now that his CNS and spinal functions are fixed.

Using pediatric level doses of CBD is on the table if needed for anxiety at some point. Would rather try that as opposed to using poison meds. My wife is successfully using CBD with turmeric. She has weaned totally off BP meds as well as fluid meds for her Meniere’s condition as a result.

We feel like the next blood test will trend the right direction, but do not know for sure. Any advice you can give that may assist this transition we greatly appreciate. Life is in the blood. We need to restore it to normal ranges.

We also covet your prayers and well wishes. I am always available to return the favor.

Cautionary Tale

I write this to also inform and seek your counsel as you know. Please, never accept medical advice from a supposed professional as the gospel. Look at all alternatives for yourselves as well as others you care about. Chiropractics worked in this case, traditional medicine or something else may work best in others. Check things out, dig, consult with trusted others, consider, meditate and pray.

Thank you!

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TheseTruths

What an amazing saga about your grandson’s experiences. I have no exptertise or advise to offer, but it looks as if you and his parents are on the right course. It’s heartening to learn about his improvements.

Please, never accept medical advice from a supposed professional as the gospel. Look at all alternatives for yourselves as well as others you care about.

Yes, this! We have to play a huge role in our own health care and navigating through the medical morass.

I wish your family all the best!

Cuppa Covfefe

GOD Bless you for taking such and interest in your grandson and your whole family, and to all of you for sticking through all of this. The medical profession anymore seems to be just a profit center…

Have you looked at Coenzyme Q-10 as a supplement? It is very important for the electron transport chain in the Mitochondria (which we learned a lot about when it was suspected that our son had mito issues). Seems that Q-10 helps in a lot of issues, and is good for the heart, muscles, and other organs.

Interesting how “alternative” medicine (which has worked/developed for millenia) is proving to be more helpful and safer than a lot of the “latest and greatest” medicine. Although I must say that some of the new things, like my son’s Cochlear Implants, are just short of being wonders. (Now if only they could improve the dynamic range and number of electrodes… but they’ll get there)…

Valerie Curren

What an absolutely Wonderful Progress Report TradeBait!!! Congratulations on coming this far with so much resounding sucess–well done!

While reading along some of what you shared reminded me of my son’s autistic features, sensory issues in particular.

My daughter-in-law, who is a new mom of a 2 1/2 month old was talking about some developmental issues that she’s read up on. My brother’s granddaughter, about 8 months old now, is really wanting to walk but hasn’t really done much in the crawling stage. DIL said that crawling was absolutely essential to build in certain types of coordination, including some type of neurological training, I believe. PERHAPS it might be beneficial to get your GS to do some crawling activities, in a fun manner, like pretending to be an animal, or perhaps crawling through a tube (like a slinky that’s fabric wrapped) on the lawn or carpet, or taking him to some type of playscape where there are tubes or tunnels to crawl through. Making it a contest with his brother to time their crawls or something might make it more enjoyable & not seem like just “re-training” work for the one GS.

As far as anxiety issues go this is something we’ve dealt with significantly with my son Josiah. His long time pediatric PCP said that depression, anxiety, & OCD were often found within people on the austism spectrum. He’s had various meds over the years to assist with those issues but more was medicated for his severe ADHD & some of those meds helped with emotional control in addition to attentional issues. I’m not recommending meds though will admit that when he was younger those meds did make a significant difference for him both academically & behaviorally, & made living with him a “tad bit” easier.

My son is a Very Strong Christian & his relationship with the Lord has probably been the greatest factor in the degrees of healing he has experienced in many domains in his life. When he was very young we were told he would never walk nor talk, never read nor write. Well he went on to confound All of the “experts” as he graduated high school (though we had significant special ed battles & his diploma is not truly reflective of his academic prowess, like he only has Maybe achieved 3rd grade math), & about a month ago he got married! He holds a part-time job 2-3 days/week & his boss absolutely loves him & raves about his work ethic. He is on SSI for myriad reasons & likely will continue to be considered “disabled” by the government.

Anyway, back to Christianity…Josiah struggles with managing his emotions & so we’ve encouraged him to dive deep into the Lord as “self-control” is a Fruit of the Spirit. Also there are numerous places in scripture that help us to deal with fear…”fear not” is a recurring theme in scripture. So my “advice” would be to encourage your grandson to develop his relationship with the Lord to acquire & refine the skills needed to manage fears using prayer, scripture, & perhaps worship &/or meditation techniques. This training can be a “lifeskill” that one will call upon for their entire life!

My son stopped taking Paxil, an anti-depressant that also helped him manage his behavioral control, as a 17 year-old when he had his liver transplant. At some point he was allowed to re-introduce that med but chose not to. He had not been on the therapeutic dose for many years, taking less than half of what was recommended for his age/weight but even on that low dose we could All tell on any days when he missed that med for he was Much harder to live with. Similarly he’s been taking Metadate for Many Years for ADHD, but it has a behavioral/emotional control aspect to it that was absent from Straterra that he used to take for ADHD, so we would notice whenever he missed that M. Recently we ran out of the Metadate because of insurance issues connected to my husband’s job change situation. Well Josiah started noticing that he was becoming more interactive (& more hyper & slightly less controlled) & asking questions of other people (something he’d almost Never done) & just being able to be a bit more give & take in a conversation. Ultimately he, his new wife, & his family are very supportive of his decision to discontinue taking the Metadate. With the work he’s done with the Lord over many years if his emotions get out of control he knows how to take a step back & get into his proverbial “prayer closet” & get his focus back on the Lord & to seek reconciliation with those he might have blown up at, etc.

OK, bottom line is that developing an active relationship with the Lord could enable your grandson to get a significant handle on his anxieties. There are also other techniques, like breathing & visualization that you can research online that are not substance based that can more naturally assist in managing fears & anxieties and they might help the person learn to take control of their own emotional life without conditioning them to “pop a pill” to “fix” a problem…which is also important life-training too 🙂

Here are a couple posts from my main blog where some of these issuess are loosely addressed in our experiences…

This post deals with some of what we addressed when our son was battling certain fears:

https://specialconnections.wordpress.com/2016/10/09/thoughts-on-faith-crisis/

This post deals with Josiah exhibiting Christ’s love when he was in a difficult, post-transplant, ICU setting:

https://specialconnections.wordpress.com/2018/09/05/autism-empathy-christs-indwelling/

GA/FL

Good suggestion about crawling activities. As I recall, one method of rehab called ‘Patterning’ took patients through remedial early life activities to facilitate their way to recovery.

Valerie Curren

Very interesting. I’ve never heard of that. Learning something new every day! Blessings 🙂

Valerie Curren

He probably mental & physical processing time for all of those fast & furious changes. It’s still Amazing news that he’s doing so well!!!!

Valerie Curren

whoops…probably Needs…sheesh

Brave and Free

What a fantastic story, so glad to hear he’s doing great!
Praise God.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

AMEN!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

OK – because this is a kid’s health, I’m going to say things that are “at risk” of conflicting with ALL PARTIES – parents, grands, kid, chiro, pediatrician, specialists, and ALL the people here, including Gail and Aubergine (you’ll see why in a minute). My hypotheses even piss ME off – and here’s why – I’m in CHALLENGE MODE. Every pet theory gets a wedgie today!

Something is WRONG – and I’ve found things that could be behind it.

Remember – some life-saving supplement may be great for me (magnesium) and causes horrible symptoms for others (many people on this site). Zinc is another. Vitamins, same. I’m sensitive to some that others here take in massive doses, no problems.

Even something as simple as MILK can be great for some people, but terrible for others.

Follow my thinking.

Here are the kid’s specifics…..

He is about 6 weeks removed from the med poison. His liver, BUN/Creatinine (kidney function) and red blood cells got hit harder. The rest are normal to near normal ranges.

The liver: AST/SGOT is at 44. It should be 15-40. ALT/SGPT is at 45. It should be 10-35.

The kidneys: BUN/Creatinine ratio is 28.6. it should be 7-25.

Red blood cells were visually seen to be larger than normal. The pediatrician says this is somewhat to be expected considering the meds he has been taking and expects it to return to normal.

Drug effects on the liver and kidneys are very understandable, and even removing a trouble-causing drug can cause lesser or greater troubles on the way out. So yes – some of this may be residual from that.

The BUN/Creatinine ratio (28.6 vs. 7-25 range) stinks of high protein, and that is where I’m tempted to look first – at DIET.

He’s starting to eat pasta and pizza and some of that carby stuff, but is he getting that now? I was wondering about the goat’s milk. That has higher protein than cow’s milk, but not by a whole lot. For the record, I love goat and sheep cheeses – never had a problem. Kids don’t get enough dairy these days, IMO. So obviously I’m “pro-dairy”. HOWEVER….

Let’s take a look at goat’s milk, using the NEVER-BIASED Wikipedia…..  😉 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goat_milk

I cannot vouch that this is not biased stuff, because it’s coming from organizations that tell us we can mutilate children based on one’s own “trans” insanity – yeah, these people are really reliable. However, they tend to be less off balance on things that are not directly political. “Goat milk” is likely to be contrary to medical woke, but not by too much. But let’s stay skeptical of everybody – OK? Kid’s life is on the line. Nobody in the room is trusted – even me.

The American Academy of Pediatrics discourages feeding infants milk derived from goats. An April 2010 case report[6] summarizes their recommendation and presents “a comprehensive review of the consequences associated with this dangerous practice“, also stating, “Many infants are exclusively fed unmodified goat’s milk as a result of cultural beliefs as well as exposure to false online information. Anecdotal reports have described a host of morbidities associated with that practice, including severe electrolyte abnormalities, metabolic acidosis, megaloblastic anemia, allergic reactions including life-threatening anaphylactic shock, hemolytic uremic syndrome, and infections.” Untreated caprine brucellosis results in a 2% case fatality rate. According to the USDA, doe milk is not recommended for human infants because it contains “inadequate quantities of iron, folate, vitamins C and D, thiamine, niacin, vitamin B6, and pantothenic acid to meet an infant’s nutritional needs” and may cause harm to an infant’s kidneys and could cause metabolic damage.[7]

Now your grandson’s case is NOT the same thing as an infant being fed exclusively goat milk instead of formula or human milk, but let’s consider the possibility that his birth problems are not just restricted to the ones you know about, but could even affect the spectrum of his diet – that he may have some inabilities and intolerances.

Here is more wiki that matches that thinking….

Like whole cow’s milk, goat’s milk is not recommended for use by infants due to the discrepancy between the composition of goat’s milk and female and the imperfection of the child’s digestive organs for digesting evolutionarily unsuitable food. Lack of folic acid when using goat’s milk instead of breastfeeding in children leads to the development of B12 folate deficiency anemia. In the event of an allergic reaction in children to cow’s milk, contrary to popular belief, the likelihood of developing it to goat’s milk is equally high.[18]

Now, he’s probably not drinking a LOT of this milk, but the proteins ARE different from cow’s milk.

Some researchers and companies producing goat’s milk products have made claims that goat’s milk is better for human health than most Western cow’s milk due to it mostly lacking a form of β-casein proteins called A1, and instead mostly containing the A2 form, which does not metabolize to β-casomorphin 7 in the body.

So I’m thinking two things on the BUN/creatinine value.

(1) Woke science is pushing the amount of “good protein” for kids DOWN, in which case you may actually need to talk to the doc and chiro and find out if that is true. If 28-30 was OK a decade or three ago, then we’re done here. Woke science cannot be trusted. They’re pushing kids toward vegan and bugs.

(2) Some protein is doing something weird – not going to speculate – but the nitrogen is going straight to urea, and it may be due to diet, “off” metabolism, or both.

So maybe we have a candidate here. But I’m not necessarily saying that a high ratio there is bad. BUN/creatine is normally high in carnivores, and we have plenty of healthy carnivores on this site. Keep an open mind on that one, both ways.

But let’s do our due diligence, because a kid’s life is on the line. The other things are still worrisome. Like this one….

Red blood cells were visually seen to be larger than normal.

Recall that one of the infant disorders allegedly caused by goat milk exclusivity is an anemia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaloblastic_anemia

This is a macrocytic (big red blood cells) anemia. It can be caused by a lot of things, including the removed drugs, but also diet.

This is the point where I say HMMMMMMMM.

I think you have to question everything in the diet, and get scientific, and you CANNOT assume that his digestive metabolism is like anybody else on the planet. He is more likely to have a UNIQUE metabolism than most of us.

One thing I will caution highly about is IRON. Women need more, boys need less, but it’s basically one of the most common poisons beyond Vitamin A. Too much messes people up, and his biochemistry of it could be even more sensitive than ours. He could need more or less, so looking at those other blood levels – even if normal – may tell a story if things are in the high or low normal range. I would be very careful about making changes in vitamins and supplements that are not being at least reported to the pediatrician and the chiropractor.

Now as for the liver stuff – hmmmmm. Those levels together point strongly to a liver problem, even though kids tend to have high values.

Digging in on goat’s milk and liver problems, something immediately pops up – contamination of goat’s milk with aflatoxins from feed, and transfer to milk – in other words, milk QUALITY may be a problem.

Here is an exemplary study. Note how the levels are more of a problem for infants, which could mean kids as well.

Aflatoxin M 1 in Brazilian goat milk and health risk assessment

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33657979/

So what is this stuff? VERY liver-specific fungal toxin that’s been studied as a bioweapon (many accusations leveled at the Russians in Afghanistan, back in the day, for different aflatoxins, the B series).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aflatoxin_M1

Aflatoxin M1 may be found in milk, including human milk. In cows, sheep, goats and buffaloes that have consumed feeds contaminated with aflatoxin B1, aflatoxin M1 will be formed as a result of the metabolic process in the livers of ruminants and excreted in their milk. Humans can be exposed to the toxins through consumption of contaminated milk and other foods.

Note that this stuff tends to attack DNA,

The potency of aflatoxin B1 and aflatoxin M1 in inducing DNA damage and genotoxicity was tested in Drosophila melanogaster. Aflatoxin M1 was found to be a DNA-damaging agent, with an activity about one-third that of aflatoxin B1.

which is the mechanism behind macrocytic (big cell) anemias. See extensive description of various DNA disorders leading to large RBC….

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macrocytic_anemia

This could mean that the problems of goats milk in infants are due primarily to aflatoxin contamination.

Thus, you might just try a DIFFERENT and more trustworthy brand of goat’s milk, and all three problems would go away IF this is correct.

Now ALL of this is just goat’s milk – which is only ONE dietary suspect. You have to consider them all, IMO.

Hope this helps!

Aubergine

You’re gonna laugh.

I am NOT a fan of children consuming large amounts of ANY milk.

Milk is for infants. Infant humans, infant animals. By the time a kid is eight or nine years old, they are not babies any more.

I’m not saying “don’t drink milk,” but I am saying an eight ounce glass a day is probably enough.

Cheese is great, yogurt is good, too. The processes that make those things change the proteins to some extent. But they still shouldn’t be a huge part of your diet.

I agree with you that children need A LOT of protein. And I mean lots. Eggs, beef, safely-sourced fish (gotta be careful), chicken and pork.

I think overly large quantities of any one kind of food in the diet is not good for anyone, child or adult. Here’s a real-life example.

A dear friend of mine’s daughter got very ill when she was about six. She was in the hospital for days. They eventually diagnosed her with mercury poisoning. Turned out her grandma was providing her favorite, tuna salad made with canned tuna, pretty much daily! Scary.

So I’m on board with a very close examination of diet, starting with the goat milk.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

WOW! That example is exactly the same scenario. Kids being a “canary in the coal mine” for a dietary toxin.

OK – that makes two people thinking diet. I think we’re onto something!

Aubergine

Anytime, friend. Your posts about your grandson are so heartfelt they make me cry, every time.

bflyjesusgrl 🍊 😎NUCLEAR MAGA😎

You know of any natural liver cleanse/detox treatments that are kid safe?

Aubergine

Dandelion root tea is said to be safe enough even for babies. It is a good, gentle detox herb.

bflyjesusgrl 🍊 😎NUCLEAR MAGA😎

Too much protein can cause BUN/Creatinine levels to go higher. I had this, and also backed off Vitamin C, and Collagen which was further exasperating the problem. All these irritate the kidneys, you may also see casts in the urine too. Dehydration fits in this scenario. Ask if he has muscle tightening, cramps, or spasms. May need Propel or electrolytes to combat.

The high liver values can be result of pharma. Natural liver cleanse/detox supplements could possibly help flush. Maybe Eggplant can help.

Last edited 1 year ago by bflyjesusgrl 🍊 😎MEGA MAGA GAME ON😎
bflyjesusgrl 🍊 😎NUCLEAR MAGA😎

Hit enter too soon.

Now lets talk about iron. Most blood work does iron test only. WRONG. You need a ferritin test. Iron test is what’s in the blood right now. Ferritin is what’s in storage. What’s in your blood right now can be ok and your storage levels can be fooked at the same time. If storage is too low you can be anemic w/no oxygen getting to organs, too high is hemachromatosis and organ damage. Both conditions affect size and amount of red blood cells.
If ferritin is low you need to add iron, too high you must eliminate iron and get rid of blood. He’s too young to donate, so he’d need to go to a phlebotomist where they toss the blood.
High ferritin will cause the high liver values.
Be advised, there is a range of normal. It is vast. Both high and low ferritin share the same symptoms. UGH!
Niece has hemachromatosis(hereditary fluke), avoids iron, cast iron pans, etc.. It still rises, when she gets symptoms, she dumps blood every 8 weeks for several months to get as low ferritin as possible, gets a test to verify, then the creep starts again. She has to stay vigilant.
I’m the opposite. I lose ferritin, don’t know how much or why or how much to take to stay normal. Since symptoms are the same I can never tell if I’m high or low. I have to have frequent blood tests(order them myself online) to check my levels and either increase my iron supplements or donate blood. I’ve found that I feel better at the lower part of the normal range. I have to stay vigilant.

Iron stores the ferritin protein in the liver, it also stores another protein in the muscles, and there’s one more protein which I always forget. If ferritin is low, it will affect(deplete) the muscle protein also causing weakness and muscle deterioration.

NOTE – Doctors cannot tell you what level is best in the normal range, nor how much iron to take or how long to take it for. THEY SIMPLY DO NOT KNOW.

P.S. Praise God for your Grandson’s recovery. May God continue to give you and your family the wisdom to help heal him completely.🙏

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bflyjesusgrl 🍊 😎NUCLEAR MAGA😎

I had several mini strokes and almost died before we finally figured out I had no ferritin! Wasn’t getting oxygen to my organs.
I also have hypothyroidism and there’s literature out there to suggest it may be cause of low ferritin. They don’t know a whole lot about iron works. Lots more research is needed.
Maybe his low normal is too low? Watch the red blood components.
I take iron bisglycinate. Lower doses and super easy on the stomach, doesn’t bother me at all.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

This looks highly relevant, in that it would make him sensitive to many things affecting RBC. Keep that damn shot away from him – my next post is highly relevant.

Sadie Slays

hemachromatosis and organ damage. 

Yup. Just to add to the iron discussion, a dear family member of mine discovered he had hemachromatosis when he started getting symptoms, got some bloodwork done, and the bloodwork was wonky enough that the doc started questioning if my family member was an alcoholic. Nope, he doesn’t drink. Doctor was baffled. Internet to the rescue. Figured out that the symptoms correlated with a recent increase in meat consumption. Since then, I’ve learned all kinds of stuff about iron consumption. For example, it’s not as simple as “increase or decrease your iron intake.” Stuff like Vitamin C increases iron absorption and interferes with it, too.

bflyjesusgrl 🍊 😎NUCLEAR MAGA😎

Yes hemachromatosis also eleveates the liver values, that’s why they suggest alcoholism before looking at ferritin. If they’d only make the ferritin test standard they could diagnose conditions much quicker!
One of my iron supplements includes C, B12, and a few other things for better absorption. The only way to decrease iron is to get rid of blood. My nieces’s diagnois saved my life as she urged me to get tested. Low and high iron and low thyroid all have the same damn symptoms!! For five years I thought my thyroid medicine wasn’t working and was going nuts because my thyroid and iron blood work was fine. I had no metabolism, no energy, mini strokes, blindness, slurring, a lot of unexplained bad $hit for the last 2 years, organs had no oxygen, was near death until I got the ferritin test. The only thing keeping me alive was any iron consumed from daily foods which wasn’t enough. It took about 6 months of added iron to get me back, then lots of pt to rebuild muscles, still doing pt exercises 3 yrs later. 4 different Docs said keep doing what I was doing and when I found myself in overload organ damage range, I realized that none of them knew a damn thing. Resigned to take care of myself, experimented w/ various amounts of daily iron, and test often. I’ve figured out my optimal range and try to stay in it. If I get too high, I donate blood, too low, take more iron. Have to be careful because you can add easier and faster than you can dump it. MUST TEST frequently. $$$ Praise and Thank God I’m alive!! 🙏

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Sadie Slays

AMEN! Glad you survived that ordeal!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Very good – this is helpful. First case of COVID messed with my iron – all making sense now.

bflyjesusgrl 🍊 😎NUCLEAR MAGA😎

Sorry I know this is TLDR.

Too low ferritin will make you extreeeemly tired. And weak. So will too high. Headaches and pounding feet (even when you’re sitting/laying down) are symptoms of too low AND too high ferritin. Iron/ferritin is beast to figure out without blood work. I wish they’d invent a finger prick tester like diabetecs have.
The blood donation place used to test hematocrit. I’d compare that with/in lieu of blood tests. When my hematocrit dropped 2 points I knew I was in trouble. Sure enough, ferritin was too low at 50. (You have to be at 90-100 for they thyroid gland to have enough oxygen from iron to function. Thyroid is traffic cop in charge of METABOLISM. When it doesn’t work (even if you have all the meds in your bloodstream) you are tired, and weak, headaches, and a whole slew of other symptoms that are the SAME as low and high ferritin. I am a MF to accurately diagnose!)
Now they’ve switched to hemoglobin so I have to recalibrate, gather new data and compare to blood tests to try and establish a new baseline. Bcuz ferritin tests are $80, sometimes $40 a pop and I need every other month. ARGH!!!)

Those mutant white fibrin globs contain iron (AND potassium, magesium, zinc, etc.). Where are they getting it from? Stealing from your blood? Current circulating iron or ferritin storage? Are the jabbed anemic? Does original WuFlu make people anemic by consuming all the ferritin, therefore low/no oxygen gets to organs? WE NEED DATA!!!

The one time I tuned to Dr. Oz early on, Alyssa Milano was on w/wet hair taking a brush through it and pulling out wads. She was trying to sell it as long Covid. Oz was just agreeing. THEN, she fessed up that she was anemic and had to have an iron infusion (they only do that in severe low iron/ferritin cases). One of the BIGGEST symptoms w/anemia(low ferritin) is HAIR LOSS. Oz was still agreeing, I was screaming, YOU LYING WITCH!!! You’re anemic, that’s why your hair’s coming out, NOT because of Covid!!! Oz should have known that. But then again, maybe not. How Iron works past red blood cells is a mystery and researchers admit they don’t know
++++++++. I’ve run into 5 docs that know nothing, my niece 3, and ferritin literature is sparse.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I may have some questions for you in the future!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Good point about cramps and dehydration – for another case I’m working on!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Awesome! And don’t forget fruits. Frozen blueberries with ice cream if you have to! 😉

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

This is likely a case where almond butter is safer due to aflatoxins, common in peanuts. Quality PB only until the liver thing is understood!

Aubergine

Don’t leave off the “healthy” proteins, though. Whole food proteins if he will eat them, not processed foods.

The additives in those can cause many issues. Artificial flavorings and colors, and all kinds of chemicals are in protein bars and shakes.

Aubergine

It’s so hard with kids! They love the junk food.

You can get uncured hotdogs that are healthier, and if he really loves corndogs, you can get some sticks, make your own cornbread coating, and fry them in a healthier oil like red palm oil. Or even olive oil. Just be aware of the “smoke point” of the oils, and heat according. And chicken nuggets are easy as pie to make from scratch, and can be baked in the oven to be healthier. Here’s an easy recipe:

https://www.marthastewart.com/897986/baked-chicken-nuggets

It’s a lot more work to eat whole food, but so worth it.

Aubergine

🙂

cthulhu

My initial, unscientific, take on your grandson’s lab tests would be that his body had been growing “wrong”, and is currently making up for lost time by tearing out the wrong bits and building a new young man. Creative destruction leads to good results and improvement, but still has destruction involved — and that can load up the liver. If you weren’t seeing improvements in physicality, attention, and attitude — new things that are being built — and only saw that he was losing his older characteristics, you might think he was fading away.

That said, liver damage is NO JOKE (ask Valerie), and continued monitoring is a very good idea.

Valerie Curren

I didn’t want to comment on the liver numbers because my understanding is pretty limited & very much more connected to my own son’s liver transplant issues which are surely much different than what’s going on here.

cthulhu

I was thinking more that you could attest to importance rather than diagnosis. As you say, your dear son took a very different road to get to his transplant.

Valerie Curren

Thanks for thinking of us so fondly Cthulhu. That is actually quite touching to me 🙂

cthulhu

Cthulhu loves me, this I know
For the High Priests tell me so
He won’t eat me, no not yet
He’s our Lord, all dank and wet

(This is from someone else’s deranged imagination, not mine.)

I might have gone with:

Cthulhu loves me, this I know
For the shoggoths tell me so
In my mind their madness creeps
Whenever I lay down to sleep

Valerie Curren

I actually don’t know the backgroud of Lovecraft’s, I believe, Cthulhu, nor have a clue about shoggoths…but appreciate the sentiment AND the creativity!!! TY 🙂

RDS

TradeBait2
This is such good news about your grandson!
Yes, taking vitamin and/or mineral supplements can be a good thing. But sometimes it takes awhile to get the correct “mix” and optimal amounts.
About iron (taking off from Wolf Moon’s comment) — Can your grandson eat good food sources of iron, like tofu (sneak it into the hamburger mixture), chicken, red kidney beans, broccoli?
IMO, keeping the child relaxed and telling him just to do his best is an important element.
Please keep the updates coming! Bless you all for saving this child’s life.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

That’s good news!

cthulhu

Bleah. Not a fan of cruciferous veggies.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

LOL!!!

Hoofhearted

What an encouraging account. Logical and thoughtfully presented steeped in love. God is not out of business, nor is He affected by supply chains or political corruption.  😎 

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Volgarian8301

Is he hydrating well? Kidney function as well as liver function can be slightly off…as his is…if fluid intake is not adequate.

AST/ALT elevations can also be present with pancreatitis. With all the recent additions of “normal kids’ food”…pizza, chicken nuggets, etc, may be just enough to throw the entire GI system off a bit.

Also keep in mind, the “normal range” today may be quite different than it was 10-20 years ago. Numbers have changed over the years, opening up more room to diagnose and treat….numbers game. For example a “normal” blood glucose 20 years ago would flag as full blown DM today.

Honestly, as well as it sounds like he is doing, maybe increase his fluids and wait to see how the next panel compares before making many drastic changes to a diet he seems to be tolerating and enjoying. His numbers are quite close to the “normal range”, and may continue to settle.

Good luck for continued success!!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Amen! Question those ranges, too! And working diet seems strong. No overreactions!

Sadie Slays

I’m glad your grandson’s health is improving. To add to the above discussion about diet, my standard advice for when you’re hunting down the cause of mystery symptoms is to keep a food journal. Try to see if there are any patterns between certain meals and symptoms getting worse a day or two after, then narrow down the culprit from there. An elimination diet is good way to sort this out as well, but that’s a drastic measure for a child already struggling with food issues. Keep it in mind as a last resort option. Good luck.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Excellent advice. Very helpful!