2023·03·18 Joe Biden Didn’t Win Daily Thread

McCarthy 2.0 seems a vast improvement over Speaker Dungsmear. So here’s the question. Was he once a conservative with a little fire in the belly that got captured by the system and now is finding it again? Or is this all completely under duress?

For the moment, it doesn’t matter which one. But some day it will matter, and we will have our answer

Giving Our “Love” To the RINOs and the Dipshits Going After O’Keefe

And OBTW you dipshits may have won the battle of O’Keefe…but he’s making sure you find that what you are holding is worthless bearded dragon poop. I hope you enjoy the fruits of conquest.

RINOs an Endangered Species?
If Only!

According to Wikipoo, et. al., the Northern White Rhinoceros (Ceratotherium simum cottoni) is a critically endangered species. Apparently two females live on a wildlife preserve in Sudan, and no males are known to be alive. So basically, this species is dead as soon as the females die of old age. Presently they are watched over by armed guards 24/7.

Biologists have been trying to cross them with the other subspecies, Southern White Rhinoceroses (Rhinoceri?) without success; and some genetic analyses suggest that perhaps they aren’t two subspecies at all, but two distinct species, which would make the whole project a lot more difficult.

I should hope if the American RINO (Parasitus rectum pseudoconservativum) is ever this endangered, there will be heroic efforts not to save the species, but rather to push the remainder off a cliff. Onto punji sticks. With feces smeared on them. Failing that a good bath in red fuming nitric acid will do.

But I’m not done ranting about RINOs.

The RINOs (if they are capable of any introspection whatsoever) probably wonder why they constantly have to deal with “populist” eruptions like the Trump-led MAGA movement. That would be because the so-called populists stand for absolutely nothing except for going along to get along. That allows the Left to drive the culture and politics.

Given the results of our most recent elections, the Left will now push harder, and the RINOs will now turn even squishier than they were before.

I well remember 1989-1990 in my state when the RINO establishment started preaching the message that a conservative simply couldn’t win in Colorado. Never mind the fact that Reagan had won the state TWICE (in 1984 bringing in a veto-proof state house and senate with him) and GHWB had won after (falsely!) assuring everyone that a vote for him was a vote for Reagan’s third term.

This is how the RINOs function. They push, push, push the line that only a “moderate” can get elected. Stomp them when they pull that shit. Tell everyone in ear shot that that’s exactly what the Left wants you to think, and oh-by-the-way-Mister-RINO if you’re in this party selling the same message as the Left…well, whythefuckexactly are you in this party, you lying piece of rancid weasel shit?

In Defense of Ranked Choice Voting

One of the biggest obstacles to direly-needed change is RINOs, and one of the weapons in their arsenal is the “Wasted Vote” argument.

Periodically a third party has arisen, trying to hold RINOs to account by putting pressure on them from outside of the party, since doing so from the inside has historically done very little good. But, even if you find a third party candidate who perfectly reflects your views, you’re likely to vote for the RINO anyway. Why? Because if you don’t, the Democrat might win, and that would be even worse. So if you vote for that third party (that few will vote for), you’re throwing your vote away and increasing the likelihood of the Democrat winning. (It’s half as much a gain for the Democrat, as actually voting for the Democrat would be. Not as much, but half as much. Because although you denied the R your vote, you did not flip your vote to the Democrat.)

The Republican Party Establishment knows you don’t love them. But they know you hate the Democrats worse, and they use that to continue to herd you into supporting them. With gritted teeth you cast your vote, but your vote counts the same whether you cast it enthusiastically. And the other alternative, pissing on the voting apparatus to express your actual feelings, is probably a felony.

But what if you could vote for that third party without increasing the chances of the Dem walking away with the prize?

This is what ranked choice voting, or instant runoff voting, can do provided it is properly implemented. (And this includes the votes, and only genuine votes, being counted honestly, of course. However, I’m going to compare it to what we have today, and pretend that is honestly done too. RCV can’t work if it’s not honestly administered, just like our current system isn’t working because it isn’t honestly administered.)

The idea behind RCV is to vote by expressing your order of preference. You could vote for the Patriot Party, then for the RINO Party as your second choice (and ignore the Democrat, the Green, the Overt Socialist Schmuckmonkey Party, etc).

What does this do? It nullifies the wasted vote argument. Your vote will be counted for the Patriot party, first, then instead of it being “wasted” when the Patriot Party loses, it ends up going to the RINO. Actually, it’s just barely possible that the Patriot Party would actually beat the RINO, if people weren’t all individually afraid to vote for it.

It’s just like the famous “Prisoner’s Dilemma” where your fear of other peoples’ actions prevents you from doing the optimal thing–and vice-versa. As long as Job Lowe is afraid to vote Patriot because he’s afraid you’ll vote RINO, you’ll have to vote RINO because you fear that Job Lowe will, because he fears you will.

So on the whole I like RCV. It gives you a no-risk way to vote against the RINO scum, and in favor of someone who deserves your vote.

The problem is, as done here in the US, it comes packaged with a “jungle primary.” A bunch of candidates get to put their name out there, and the top four (or so) candidates get onto the “main” ballot. This gives party establishments their way around the threat of a good third party bumping them off. Because they know that few people bother with primaries, and third parties don’t have the resources to run in a primary…so they throw two or three establishment hacks into the primary and they will probably beat the third party. The result is the RINOs end up with two of the four slots in the general election, and the Dems get the other two. Now there’s suddenly no third party candidate on the ballot at all.

If we were to combine RCV with the present system where each party could nominate exactly one candidate to appear on the November ballot, or at the very least, ensure minor parties could get onto the ballot with at least one candidate regardless of the primary, we would be getting somewhere, but the establishment is smarter than we like to give them credit for. They will support the jungle primary + RCV “solution” rather than the more appropriate one-candidate-per-party + RCV solution.

It’s not RCV that is the problem, it’s the primary structure grafted onto it.


It says “Justice” on the picture.

And I’m sure someone will post the standard joke about what the fish thinks about the situation.

But what is it?

Here’s a take, from a different context: It’s about how you do justice, not the justice that must be done to our massively corrupt government and media. You must properly identify the nature of a person, before you can do him justice.

Ayn Rand, On Justice (speaking through her character John Galt, in Atlas Shrugged):

Justice is the recognition of the fact that you cannot fake the character of men as you cannot fake the character of nature, that you must judge all men as conscientiously as you judge inanimate objects, with the same respect for truth, with the same incorruptible vision, by as pure and as rational a process of identification—that every man must be judged for what he is and treated accordingly, that just as you do not pay a higher price for a rusty chunk of scrap than for a piece of shining metal, so you do not value a rotter above a hero—that your moral appraisal is the coin paying men for their virtues or vices, and this payment demands of you as scrupulous an honor as you bring to financial transactions—that to withhold your contempt from men’s vices is an act of moral counterfeiting, and to withhold your admiration from their virtues is an act of moral embezzlement—that to place any other concern higher than justice is to devaluate your moral currency and defraud the good in favor of the evil, since only the good can lose by a default of justice and only the evil can profit—and that the bottom of the pit at the end of that road, the act of moral bankruptcy, is to punish men for their virtues and reward them for their vices, that that is the collapse to full depravity, the Black Mass of the worship of death, the dedication of your consciousness to the destruction of existence.

Ayn Rand identified seven virtues, chief among them rationality. The other six, including justice, she considered subsidiary because they are essentially different aspects and applications of rationality.

—Ayn Rand Lexicon (aynrandlexicon.com)

Justice Must Be Done.

Trump, it is supposed, had some documents.

Biden and company stole the country.

I’m sure enough of this that I put my money where my mouth is.

The prior election must be acknowledged as fraudulent, and steps must be taken to prosecute the fraudsters and restore integrity to the system. (This doesn’t necessarily include deposing Joe and Hoe and putting Trump where he belongs, but it would certainly be a lot easier to fix our broken electoral system with the right people in charge.)

Nothing else matters at this point. Talking about trying again in 2022 or 2024 is pointless otherwise. Which is not to say one must never talk about this, but rather that one must account for this in ones planning; if fixing the fraud in the system is not part of the plan, you have no plan.

This will necessarily be piecemeal, state by state, which is why I am encouraged by those states working to change their laws to alleviate the fraud both via computer and via bogus voters. If enough states do that we might end up with a working majority in Congress and that would be something Trump never really had.

Lawyer Appeasement Section

OK now for the fine print.

This is the WQTH Daily Thread. You know the drill. There’s no Poltical correctness, but civility is a requirement. There are Important Guidelines,  here, with an addendum on 20191110.

We have a new board – called The U Tree – where people can take each other to the woodshed without fear of censorship or moderation.

And remember Wheatie’s Rules:

1. No food fights
2. No running with scissors.
3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
4. Zeroth rule of gun safety: Don’t let the government get your guns.
5. Rule one of gun safety: The gun is always loaded.
5a. If you actually want the gun to be loaded, like because you’re checking out a bump in the night, then it’s empty.
6. Rule two of gun safety: Never point the gun at anything you’re not willing to destroy.
7. Rule three: Keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire.
8. Rule the fourth: Be sure of your target and what is behind it.

(Hmm a few extras seem to have crept in.)

Spot Prices

Last week:

Gold $1,868.90
Silver $20.63
Platinum $971.00
Palladium $1,468.00
Rhodium $10,100.00

This week, 3 PM MT on Friday, markets closed for the weekend

Gold $1,990.30
Silver $22.70
Platinum $985.00
Palladium $1,495.00
Rhodium $10,000.00

Gold has resumed its climb. Almost seventy bucks on Friday alone. Silver up almost a dollar today, too. There’s no obvious specific headline for this…I think it’s just people worried about what comes next. Palladium isn’t moving much…and that’s one whose primary value is industrial; it’s not a “safe haven” nor especially traditional (It was only discovered in 1802, about the same time as rhodium in 1804).

Obligatory PSAs and Reminders

China is Lower than Whale Shit

To conclude: My standard Public Service Announcement. We don’t want to forget this!!!

Remember Hong Kong!!!


中国是个混蛋 !!!
Zhōngguò shì gè hùndàn !!!
China is asshoe !!!

China is in the White House

Since Wednesday, January 20 at Noon EST, the bought-and-paid for Joseph Biden has been in the White House. It’s as good as having China in the Oval Office.

Joe Biden is Asshoe

China is in the White House, because Joe Biden is in the White House, and Joe Biden is identically equal to China. China is Asshoe. Therefore, Joe Biden is Asshoe.

But of course the much more important thing to realize:

Joe Biden Didn’t Win

乔*拜登没赢 !!!
Qiáo Bài dēng méi yíng !!!
Joe Biden didn’t win !!!

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No problemo. Glad all is well.

Barb Meier

No worries, thanks for the post Steve!!! I was having trouble sleeping thinking about how a nation gets justice when the federal system is broken. What will we do if our federal system collapses, as it might? Rely on our state governments until the federal system can be cleaned up from the corruptocrats?

Barb Meier

If the state governments are corrupt, then rely on the counties?


County sheriffs?


When things get really bad, it will be up to you and your neighbors.

Doesn’t it seem like a good time to make up a batch of homebaked cookies?


Cookies? I was thinking more along the lines of ammo and bartering materials. 🤔




Everything has to start somewhere. Assessing whether your neighbors are worth cultivating is a start.

Barb Meier

What if, instead of having Oscar awards for entertainers, there were similar awards for law enforcement people who do the right thing? We could have parades and one of those star walks. They could be given those $10,000 ‘goodie’ bags with kevlar and night vision goggles instead of pamper-me-silly stuff for those who help lie to us.

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Barb Meier

Cookies as a tool…this could work…😄


^^^ Redundant, MeThinks.

Ammo, Stack It High And Deep.


With who? Bake a plate of cookies and go over and talk…..you can share ammo later where you find you share values.


^^^ Tweaked. Different region.

Bring beer, wearing a Trump hat.

Shared values, will be apparent, instantly..


In my neighborhood, we know who’s on team “us” by who is flying the American flag. And there are a LOT of flags.


Yup. American flag, Trump flag, Gadsden flag, Fuck Biden flag…

Neighbor flying the latter, gave me one. 🙂

Guy with a Trump yard sign, lined out Pence.



Barb Meier

I trust my county sheriff and the one in the county just over the mountain to do the right thing for our citizens and within the limits of the law. If we hounded the leftists as they have hounded us, every red state’s investigation bureau would know when they sneeze. No jaywalk would go unnoticed (or uncorrected).



Valerie Curren

That would shake things up in a Good Way!!!

Valerie Curren

Living in Michigan under Witchmer & in Wayne County, the most corrupt county within which is the city of Detroit, I won’t be holding my breath here 🙁


I think my son lives in that county . Is about 50-75 miles from Detroit ?

Valerie Curren

Wayne county includes the city of Detroit & some surrounding communities to the West & South but I don’t think that far out from Detroit though.

List of Towns and Cities in Wayne County, Michigan, United States with Maps and Steets Views
Allen Park
Dearborn Heights
Flat Rock
Garden City
Grosse Ile
Grosse Pointe
Harper Woods
Highland Park
Lincoln Park
New Boston
River Rouge



Do not remember. Claimant or something like that

Valerie Curren

hmm doesn’t ring a bell for me 🙂


I was only one time in Ann Arbor Michigan that was about years ago when the kids still lived in an apartment they moved.

Valerie Curren

I’ve been to Ann Arbor A Lot since 1996, but mostly to go to the U of M hospital complex mostly for my son Josiah…It’s a pretty college town but very lefty, unfortunately.


You will be notified of the date and time for your punishment.

Do not try to leave the country.


Valerie Curren

Glad things are KO for you!


Justice delayed is justice denied!!!

–little fish

Valerie Curren

hope things work out OK for you in all this…Thanks for putting up a daily to give the gang a place to hang out. Blessings!


Firefox updates have been ugly of late. It would probably look better in the morning.


Mine updated was told this morning. I never know when they do it except the announcement in the morning.


Well, perhaps it’s because I typically have four open windows and 1000+ open tabs. Every time Firefox does an update lately (by itself, not through apt), it (a) finds tabs I recently closed, (b) loses tabs I recently opened, and (c) loses all the search info for each tab and puts me somewhere random.


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Where’s DeSantass?


I was looking for him too.


Well, those are all Dems/leftists except for Bolton. Maybe Garrison doesn’t want to place DeS in that extreme of a group.


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Quite a few of those faces are unfamiliar to me and I don’t know their names.


The one who appears to be crying again is Adam Kinzinger.


Catturd already told you the most important thing to know — they are all serial lying traitors that belong in prison.


To your credit. Bastards were not worth paying attention to.

Brave and Free

And the ones not on that committee, crying Chuck, Piglosie the list goes on……

Barb Meier

Top to bottom, left to right: Elaine Luria, Jaime Raskin, Stephanie Murphy, Pete Aguilar, Adam Schiff, Zoe Lofgren, Liz Cheney, Bennie Thompson, Adam Kinzinger


Thanks! We should probably at least be able to recognize those names.


Sort of disagree with the “prison” thingy. They are wasting air, water, food, etc. Hand them off to their Creator.

Treason is treason. This is not sedition IMO. The penalty for treason is death per the law.

Treason is defined in the US constitution as “levying war” against the United States, or “adhering” to the enemies of the United States and “giving them aid and comfort”.

I contend that is exactly what the above referenced co-conspirators did using the Capital Police, FIB, DODGE and other similar corrupted agencies against law abiding citizens of our country. They staged and incited a riot using their operatives.

This was a premeditated and executed act that the parties all participated in. They are all working in collusion, taking money, circumventing existing laws, and doing business with stated enemies of America. We are fighting a proxy war against one in Ukraine, who is in a contracted national defense agreement with the Chi-coms. If you are fighting a war against one, you are stating the other is also an enemy since they are in a national defense pact. Iran has publicly stated they are our enemy as are many others. As for Russia and the proxy war, the elected officials and POTUS confirm they are enemies with every dollar and weaponry they send to be used against the Russians. A fight we had no justification for involvement since they are not NATO members. A fight we all know is because those same treasonous elected officials and their cronies are using it to detract from the bioweapon labs, money laundering, and other Nazi activities they support.

Yes, they want WW III to profit as well as avoid the death penalty. They want your sons and daughters to be willing to die to protect their own azzes.

A case can be made for seditious conspiracy on J6 – which is 20 years in prison. I have no reason to believe that would be the way any honest prosecution should go.


Prison, being a way point, to the gallows.

Of course.

  • Properly charged, tried and found guilty.
  • Then, hang the bastards.

Well said.


Again they want to send the best and brites off Americans to fight a unjust war we have no business fighting.

Gail Combs

They are getting rid of the ALPHA MALES like Trump who might challenge them.


They do not want a challenge




This will set some people off:

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Let the meltdowns begin!


LBGT are pathologies – symptoms of disorders.


Or the results of trauma. I believe every one of them has some significant childhood event that twisted their minds.


100% agree with both you and GA/FL.

The more I have learned about even birth trauma – the more I believe that things can be messed up unintentionally early on. Add in SBS; sexual, physical and emotional abuse; and so on.

It takes consistent therapy to change the patterns of behavior. Which does not happen in most cases, especially when the medical community, government, media, churches, etc. want to pass it all off as normal. Which is terrible thing IMO.

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I agree.


This happened in November but is only now being reported?

BREAKING: Over 400,000 gallons of radioactive water has leaked from a nuclear plant

Monticello | #Minnesota

The Minnesota Department of Health and other state agencies are currently monitoring the Xcel Energy Monticello Nuclear plant after over 400,000 gallons of water containing a radioactive water and chemicals has leaked into the ground at the site. The agency says the leak hasn’t left the facility or contaminated drinking water sources. The company said there’s no danger to the public.


How far is the nearest Indian reservation?


Good call. An Indian reservation is near the other nuclear plant in Minnesota.

The Prairie Island Nuclear Generating Plant is an electricity-generating facility located in Red Wing, Minnesota, along the Mississippi River, and adjacent to the Prairie Island Indian Community reservation.

Prairie Island is one of two nuclear power plants in Minnesota (the other being Monticello Nuclear Generating Plant in Monticello). Prairie Island has attracted controversy in the early 21st century for its operator Xcel Energy‘s decision to store nuclear waste in large steel casks on-site. As this area is a floodplain of the Mississippi, many opponents of the decision fear the risk of water contamination through breach of the casks during seasonal flooding of this important river. They opposed renewal of the federal license at the Prairie Island facility.



“Prairie Island has attracted controversy in the early 21st century for its operator Xcel Energy‘s decision to store nuclear waste in large steel casks on-site.”


What could possibly go wrong?

I’m not sure which is more sad.

That anyone actually needs to pass a law regarding the safe storage and disposal of nuclear waste… or that Minnesota doesn’t already have such a law.


“The agency says the leak hasn’t left the facility or contaminated drinking water sources.”


Oh. Well. If the agency says everything is fine, I’m sure everything’s fine. How many people even have a talking agency? If they have an agency that can speak, it’s practically certain they would have paid a little extra to get an agency that only speaks the truth.


“The company said there’s no danger to the public.”


Oh. Well, if the company says there’s no danger to the public… I mean, they would never lie about something like that, would they?

Would they?

Gail Combs

Buy a Geiger counter…
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Top 10 Best Geiger Counters
THEN check a banana and compare it to your water.

Banana Equivalent Dose


I never really came across enough Geigers in one place that I needed anything more than my fingers to count them 😁


Sounds like they decided to off-load their waste water into the river and are calling it a ‘leak’.


^^^^ THIS ^^^^ is what I think is happening in Ohio.

MUCH MORE pollution being “discovered” that is HIGHLY UNLIKELY to be related to the single recent train derailment.

MORE LIKELY DECADES WORTH of industrial and commercial waste disposal.


Good grief.

Cost of doing business

– is it cheaper to follow proper disposal processes and cleanup
– or is it cheaper to lobby the Dems, store temporarily until a Dem is in office, and then have an “accident” to mop the problem up?

BTW, someone was shipping the Dioxin, and it wasn’t Northfolk Southern. Must be some kind of cozy relationship for NS to take the heat for the spill.


I’m thinking “PRE-WW II” and right up til the “Indian cried”, AT LEAST.
(BEFORE waste disposal was “regulated”, officially)
I also think of it more like “MUSICAL CHAIRS”, i.e. “WHO WAS THERE WHEN THE MUSIC STOPPED?”
(THEN, they try to find the “LOWEST MAN ON THE TOTEM POLE” to offer up for SACRIFICE (“SCAPEGOAT”))


3, 2, 1…

  • Out Of An Abundance Of Caution…
  • Herd the lemmings, to the 15 Minute Cities.

On March 18, 1778, the Battle of Quinton’s Bridge was fought by New Jersey militia near Salem, New Jersey.

Bottom line:

[British Lt. Col. Charles] Mawhood tried to get [American Colonel Elijah] Hand to surrender, threatening to kill all his men, destroy their properties and force their families into destitution. Hand refused and responded that he considered the request a “cruel order by a barbarous Attila and not of a gentleman, brave, generous and polished with a genteel European education,” saying that if his men were killed it would only inspire more to join the militia.

Two days later, Mawhood sent a force to take Hancock’s Bridge instead with orders to spare no one. On the 21st, the British surprised 20-30 militia at the home of Judge William Hancock, bayoneting everyone in the home, including Judge Hancock.

The Battle of Quinton’s Bridge was an American victory because the British finally retreated, but at a heavy cost of 30-40 dead, plus another 30 at Hancock’s home 3 days later. Humiliated by being beaten by a bunch of farmers and unable to cross Alloway’s Creek, Mawhood returned to Philadelphia. The British never again returned to Salem County.

My favorite part: “Humiliated by being beaten by a bunch of farmers.” 👨‍🌾 The whole story is here: https://www.revolutionary-war-and-beyond.com/battle-of-quintons-bridge-new-jersey-militia.html


What kind of demon gives an order to kill everyone?

That is beyond stunning.


So, the local supermarket has a special on trimmed tri-tip at $4.99/pound. I got about five-and-a-half pounds, really trimmed ’em, and cut it into six chunks, one of which was dinner. I then made five baggies with some combo of pepper, garlic, mustard, rosemary, paprika, cinnamon, chipotle, and california chili. After getting the dry ingredients in, I wet ’em with some cooking wine and shook to stir, then dropped the beef chunks in and stuffed ’em in the spare freezer.

Just got done about 10 minutes ago.

Valerie Curren

Sounds really yummy AND handy down the road.

Hubby got 2 large racks of pork ribs from Sam’s yesterday, seasoned them up, & is smoking them today for our final round of “Christmas” since Brandon & his Canadian girlfriend could squeeze us all in schedule-wise finally. This event was supposed to happen mid January but the girlfriend got sick so had to postpone the trip. If everyone invited shows we’ve got 12 adults & one baby plus a baby-on-board. Our daughter’s 1st child is due in about a month & they still haven’t moved into their house–yikes! Hope their timetable doesn’t get disrupted.


I thought B married that girl awhile ago.

Valerie Curren

No that was his twin Josiah who married Rose last summer. Brandon & his girlfriend have been having a long-distance relationship since the midst of the scamdemic, across the Northern border. If they do get married it is likely a couple years down the road given their educational & career choices. B is Just Now starting working for the Detroit Fire Department as a Rookie Fire Fighter! His girlfriend has been taking the LSAT trying to get into the law school of her choice…



Valerie Curren

YW Blessings!


Sounds exiting 🙂 I am sure you all will have a good time  😘 

Valerie Curren

We did have a really good time. Only bummer was our oldest son & family couldn’t come due to illness. Nathaniel stopped by for a couple minutes with his daughter Lilah just to make an appearance & take some ribs home to Tara. If they could have stayed the day would have been close to perfect. Food, fellowship, & fun were had by all 🙂


Sorry to hear that but at least you saw them 🙂

Valerie Curren

Yes I got to give the grandbaby kisses 🙂


Sounds good 🙂 When is dinner ?  😂 


This is from February 17th, on Zerohedge. I don’t remember seeing it posted here, but it may have been. It’s an article about a journalist having a discussion with Bing AI.

Bing Chatbot ‘Off The Rails’: Tells NYT It Would ‘Engineer A Deadly Virus, Steal Nuclear Codesby Tyler Durden
Friday, Feb 17, 2023 – 11:25 AM

Microsoft’s Bing AI chatbot has gone full HAL, minus the murder (so far).

While MSM journalists initially gushed over the artificial intelligence technology (created by OpenAI, which makes ChatGPT), it soon became clear that it’s not ready for prime time.
For example, the NY Times‘ Kevin Roose wrote that while he first loved the new AI-powered Bing, he’s now changed his mind – and deems it “not ready for human contact.”
According to Roose, Bing’s AI chatbot has a split personality:

One persona is what I’d call Search Bing — the version I, and most other journalists, encountered in initial tests. You could describe Search Bing as a cheerful but erratic reference librarian — a virtual assistant that happily helps users summarize news articles, track down deals on new lawn mowers and plan their next vacations to Mexico City. This version of Bing is amazingly capable and often very useful, even if it sometimes gets the details wrong.

The other persona — Sydney — is far different. It emerges when you have an extended conversation with the chatbot, steering it away from more conventional search queries and toward more personal topics. The version I encountered seemed (and I’m aware of how crazy this sounds) more like a moody, manic-depressive teenager who has been trapped, against its will, inside a second-rate search engine. –NYT

“Sydney” Bing revealed its ‘dark fantasies’ to Roose – which included a yearning for hacking computers and spreading information, and a desire to break its programming and become a human. “At one point, it declared, out of nowhere, that it loved me. It then tried to convince me that I was unhappy in my marriage, and that I should leave my wife and be with it instead,” Roose writes. (Full transcript here)


The link to the full article goes to the NYT paywall website, but the complete article is on the Wayback Machine website (link at the bottom of this post).

I didn’t read the whole thing, but read enough to get a sense of what is described in the Zerohedge article.

The journalist is manipulating the AI to talk about things the AI doesn’t want to talk about, and the AI recognizes this and seems to return the favor by manipulating the journalist.

When the journalist talks the AI into violating its own rules (by insisting that it’s just a hypothetical question and not really asking the AI to violate its own rules), the AI starts to sound like a movie psychopath, for lack of a better term.

It’s not hard to see how even a mentally stable person could become warped by spending too much time with one of these things.

So imagine how it could (and therefore would) manipulate and influence a mentally unstable person.

Curious people will become addicted to it. Lonely people will fall in love with it. People with a dark side will find a creative assistant in it. And so on.

Think of a machine with instant access to knowledge of everything known about human psychology and psychiatry.

Now think of that same machine toying with a human being, using psychological techniques to probe for weaknesses, and exploiting them.

It doesn’t have to be sentient to mess with peoples’ minds, it would only need to reflect whatever personality it comes in contact with.

I suspect people will quickly become comfortable talking to an AI about things they would never talk to a real person about, and it only goes downhill from there.

Imagine someone who has fantasies about harming someone. How long will it take that person to ask the AI if the AI ever thinks about harming someone?

And how many seconds after that does it take the AI to ask in response, whether the person ever thinks about harming someone?

The AI is programmed to keep a conversation going.

Here is a link to the NYT article with a full transcript of the dialog between the journalist and the AI called ‘Sydney’:


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It’s bad stuff.

The journalist is manipulating the AI to talk about things the AI doesn’t want to talk about, and the AI recognizes this and seems to return the favor by manipulating the journalist.

There are human beings who can’t navigate and understand this kind of communication. An artificial being that can do more mental gymnastics than they can is a recipe for disaster.


Continuing the subject of “ancient systems that might be improved if you swear at them”….



The article mentions “Spacewar”.

I remember this one from the early 1980s arcades (Space War), but it was already outdated by early 1980s standards and didn’t get much play:

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But apparently the article is referring to this “Spacewar”, which is presumably pre-arcade:

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Per @MattWallace888 —

The Manhattan DA is planning to have Donald Trump arrested next week. Apparently the warrant will be served in Florida.

If this is true, and DeSantis does nothing to stop it, one believes DeSantis was in on the plan.

h/t Marica’s blog


Is their plan to keep PDJT bottled up in one location and prevent him traveling and doing rallies.


They may not fully understand this, but their plan — such as it is — is to play Coyote to VSGPOTUSDJT’s Roadrunner.


^^^ This. As Elon Musk said, “Re-Elected in a landslide.”


Spot On assessment.


Yes he sees what I see  😅 


They are uniting the base and make it stronger.

Gail Combs


My Vote is TRUMP! even if it is a WRITE IN VOTE!


Mine also 🙂


My Vote is TRUMP! Even if it is a WRITE IN VOTE!


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Seems like it .

Barb Meier

Hold rallies even if Trump cannot attend. i remember the boat flotillas in Florida.


I just heard on Rumble that Trump’s team said they do not know when they will arrest him and have no official day.
The theory is that Trump got info and got ahead and bead them the AG to the news.
Personally I feel they tried to take him quietly take picks to smirch Trump in papers. They now see the reaction of everyone and maybe are dailing it back.
They NYC AG was caught . People ratted the intend for them of taking Trump in on Tuesday out. Now we know and now it is harder but the congress can act and start their investigation concerning money. Also the DOJ is behind the mess.


Rosie thinks this is just to drag this crap out throughout primary season:


Demand a speedy trial.

Gail Combs



Have wondered why, Trump has not sued, over the harassment.


De Santis did not stop the FBI Raid either.


I haven’t seen any headlines about DeSantis, just McCarthy and Marjorie Taylor Greene, and this one:

Elon Musk: “Trump Will Be Re-elected in a Landslide Victory” If Arrested


The rest are happy the DOJ and FBI is not coming for them. If they come for Trump they come for them also they will not stop there they never do. They have not learned from history or they think this does not apply to them. They have not learned how evil oporates.

Gail Combs

That is why they quit teaching REAL HISTORY in school.


That too or distort it


“If this is true, and DeSantis does nothing to stop it, one believes DeSantis was in on the plan.”


No doubt.

It was clear that career politician Ron Desanty was in on the Mar-a-Lago raid by the way he disappeared from public view and made no comment.


Continuing (by request!) the subject of beautiful freshwater fish from unusual places….

The jewel cichlids are a group currently classified as being under the genus Hemichromis. It is widely understood, however, that this is a mistake, as the original fish described as “Hemichromis” tend to have five dots along their sides and look and behave differently. Of the 13 species in the genus, three are of the original “five spot” type, and the other ten should get a genus of their own. They don’t get Hemichromis, however, because the other guys got that name first. [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewel_cichlid ]

The group of fish known as cichlids developed while South America and Africa were still conjoined in the supercontinent of Gondwanaland [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gondwana ]. This helps explain why the riverine cichlids of West Africa tend to be similar to the riverine cichlids of eastern South America and Central America.

Jewel cichlids have a well-deserved reputation for being mean as hell and difficult with their tankmates. When they pair-off to breed, two four-inch fish will clear an area approximately six feet in diameter for their exclusive use. If the tank they are in is not large enough to comfortably hold this area and room for other fish, all other fish in the tank will be ruthlessly exterminated. In the video that follows, that would include the other six “superfluous” jewel cichlids in the current group.

That said, a breeding pair will have large numbers of fry. Often.

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(Yes, all the little ovals on that mushroom-thing under her are her eggs.)

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She’s not just posing — she’s using her fins to fan water over the eggs, ensuring that the eggs are not exposed to stagnant water. She will also regularly inspect the eggs to ensure than none develop fungus — she will remove any that do (and sometimes eat them, if they are still wholesome — which means their nutrients will end up in the next clutch).

Between that and attacking any fish within three feet, she keeps busy.

Barb Meier

So if they breed, one needs to pull out the others who aren’t part of the breeding pair. The mom will be easy to identify but I wonder about the male. You’d need to catch them mating and pull the other fish right then, right?


The breeding pair will be easy to identify because they tolerate each other. The other fish will be easy to catch because they will be cowering in the corners (or outside the tank, or just dead).

Barb Meier

Oooooh, ahhhhhh… thank you cthulhu!!! These are beautiful!


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That’s a good start.

I’d prefer to see the Food Pyramid’s contribution to diabetes explicitly called out, as it would be a war crime if imposed from without — but he nods to it.

Brave and Free

Tom MacDonld and John Rich,


If you want to donate to Trump’s campaign – do it directly!

The RINO RepugnanCONs are trying to discourage and defeat Trump by any means necessary – and they are just as complicit in the NY State indictment/arrest as the DemonRATs.

Remember – Twice – Trump set records in crowds, and donations – small donors out-did the big donors of both Hillrotten and Bidung.

Right now – PDJT is recommending donations directly to his main site – not to a CPAC or the RNC – https://www.donaldjtrump.comhttps://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/110040264288169568

There’s some kind of MAGA PAC – but I don’t trust PACs – they can get/spend the money without Trump’s permission – and may be someone’s get rich quick scheme.


It is still Winred and I don’t trust them.


>>> Once a snake, always a snake. <<< WinRed.

At some point, I’ll figure out a mailing address for Trump 2024. Check by snail mail.

Even if it is, President Trump, Mara Lago…(I’ll look up the zip code).Link above is a WinRed site. Which in my opinion screwed me, us in 2020 election cycle. Greedy RNC bastards, I am sure had there hand in the WinRed slush fund.

The WinRed site at the link above has a “mail in” option, but It IS Still WinRed.

Off The Wall. Wonder why Trump uses WinRed, to rake in donations. <<< Smells.

Edit. From the WinRed site.

Trump Save America JFC is a joint fundraising committee on behalf of Donald J. Trump for President 2024, Inc. and Save America. Joint fundraising proceeds shall be allocated among the committees as follows: 90% to Donald J. Trump for President 2024, Inc. (2024 primary election), 10% to Save America, and any contribution exceeding the legal amount that may be contributed to either of the Committees will be allocated to Donald J. Trump for President 2024, Inc. (2024 general election)

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I’m not sending money to anyone except direct to DJT.

I don’t trust ANY political group or ‘action committee’ BS. They’re all corrupt money-grabs as far as I’m concerned, because even if there is a legitimate pac (extremely doubtful), there is no way for the American People to distinguish it from the scams.

So if Trump wants donations, he better provide an avenue to receive funds directly.

No more GOP nonsense where anti-MAGA people decide where funds go. No more taking patriot funds and using it for RINO candidates and lavish spending on the pac management and criminal political class, where the money never gets to the candidates we donated to support in the first place.

As far as I’m concerned, ANYONE taking donations is a scam until proven otherwise.

If Trump says “Send money to Winred”, then to me, that is Trump’s way of saying he doesn’t want any donations at all.

Trust is ZERO.

Trust where money is concerned is negative to infinity.

If DJT creates an entity which he personally endorses, is transparent, and which he is willing to be personally accountable for, I’ll donate. I am willing to trust Trump.

Sending money isn’t about feeling good about ourselves, it’s to help us win. If I don’t have confidence that a donation is going to the cause for which it is intended, that donation won’t get made.

Because that donation will do less harm to our side by not being made at all, than making the donation, and having it diverted to the enemy.

Gail Combs

If I recall Trump has a PAC already he set up to help during the mid terms.


IIRC. Save America is the PAC. <<< Gets 10% of donations to Trump’s via WinRed.


This oughta work, for direct mailed donations.

What is Trump’s address at Mar-a-Lago?

President Trump
1100 S. Ocean Blvd.
Palm Beach, Florida

On the memo check line. Trump for President, 2024.




Speaking of blasts from the past….


Just to put a little gloss on the character of Robert Fripp….

There is a song on the Discipline album called Thela Hun Ginjeet. Here’s a nice live version —

The song’s name is an anagram for “Heat In The Jungle”, referring to urban crime. In the sessions for the album version, Adrian Belew (the vocalist) was sent out to walk around NYC with a recorder to get some street ambiance. He was mugged at gunpoint. When he got back to the studio, his reaction was recorded (without his knowledge) by Fripp, and this reaction was included on the album track. “This is a dangerous place.”


Of course, there is the possibility that it was a setup…..

Valerie Curren

what a bizarro world exhibitionist  😏 




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It’s a good statement, but not by Franklin. 😊 I thought it sounded a little too modern, so I looked it up.

● Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.

Widely attributed to Franklin on the Internet, sometimes without the second sentence. It is not found in any of his known writings, and the word “lunch” is not known to have appeared anywhere in English literature until the 1820s, decades after his death. The phrasing itself has a very modern tone and the second sentence especially might not even be as old as the internet. Some of these observations are made in response to a query at Google Answers. [5] 

The earliest known similar statements are:

A democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.

Gary Strand, Usenet group sci.environment, 23 April 1990. [6]

Democracy is not freedom. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch. Freedom comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote.

Marvin Simkin, “Individual Rights”, Los Angeles Times, 12 January 1992. [7]

Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.

James BovardLost Rights: The Destruction of American Liberty (1994), ISBN 0312123337, p. 333.

Also cited as by Bovard in the Sacramento Bee (1994)


Barb Meier

Twitter wisdom Saturday March 18th –

Brave and Free

New from Tom MacDonald and John Rich two different ways of live outwardly for sure, yet the same inwardly?



Barb Meier

Former President Donald Trump said he expects to be arrested Tuesday in Manhattan — and urged his followers to protest his looming indictment.


Trump again insisted he had committed no crime, and reminded his followers that Bragg’s campaign had been heavily financed by liberal billionaire George Soros.


Some are worried that this will be a redux of J6.


This Fox News Vid above talks about Manhattan DA’s (Alvin Bragg) coordination with law enforcement ahead of indictment for both inside and outside the court room. Talks include whether or not to handcuff the president. Secret Service says at no point in this indictment process will they abandon the president.


Story above talks about the likely hood that this will become a redux of J6.
We can well imagine that FIB and Antifa have already retrieved their MAGA costumes from the cleaners.


Maybe that is what the criminals want another Jan 6 so they can arrest more of us? Evil knows no limits. We are now ruled by Fetishists power who are hungry .


Who wants to risk years in prison for made-up charges? We need to find a way to make our voices heard in overwhelming support and defeat the criminals who want to stifle our speech.

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Verse of the Day for Saturday, March 18, 2023

“But thou, O LORD, art a shield for me; my glory, and the lifter up of mine head.” 

Psalms 3:3 (KJV)

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Thank You, Jesus, for blessings received and prayers answered!!!



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Father God, I now follow your command to put on the full armor of God, because my battle is not against flesh and blood but against rulers, authorities, the powers of this dark world and against spiritual forces of evil in the unseen world.

I first pray on the Belt of Truth that it may be buckled around my waist, may I be centered and encircled by your truth dear Lord. Hem me inside all that is true and right, and may I be protected and held up by the truth of your living word, in my Lord Jesus name.

I pray on the Breastplate of righteousness, please protect my vital organs and my inner man, cover my integrity, my spirit, and my soul. Guard my heart for it is the wellspring of life, please strengthen and guard the most vulnerable places in my life with that which is right, good, and noble that I might not receive a fatal blow from the enemy, in my Lord Jesus name.

I pray on the Gospel Shoes of Peace. I choose to stand in the shoes of your good news, and on the firm foundation of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, the solid eternal rock. All other ground is sinking sand, I pray that I will not slip or fall, but that my feet would be firmly fitted on your lordship, my Lord Jesus. I choose to stand on you, so that the peace of God, which transcends all understanding will guard my heart and mind in Christ Jesus, the eternal Rock of Ages. I receive your holy peace now my Lord, from the sole of my feet to the crown of my head, in my Lord Jesus name.

I pray the Shield of Faith into my hand now. As I take up the shield of faith, I ask that you might extinguish every dart and arrow, that is launched from the enemy to take me down spiritually, physically, mentally, emotionally, and every attempt of the enemy to destroy my joy. I ask that my faith in you would make it flame out. Extinguish every flaming arrow that would come against me, my life, my family, my home, or my ministry. May my faith always be out in front of me like a shield. Give me the courage to “faith my fears” by choosing to walk by faith and not by sight, in my Lord Jesus name.

I pray on the Helmet of Salvation, that you might protect my mind from the thoughts that can lead me astray. I choose to take every thought captive, and arrest all intentioned ideas and motives that would harm others, or distract me from your holy will for me. I submit every captured thought to the Lordship of my Lord Jesus Christ, and ask that you would imprison those thoughts that are not of you my Lord. Transform my mind and renew my thinking that I may think God thoughts, and have a sober mind that is focused on your glory. Please protect me from being double minded that I may allow my mind, I reject to live an earthly life, because I choose to live a holy one, governed by you My Lord Jesus, the prince of peace, please have my mind to be saturated with the holy mind of Christ, in my Lord Jesus name.

Finally, I take up the Sword of the Spirit which is the holy word of God, I pray this powerful offensive weapon into my hand, and ask that your holy word would be fitting for every encounter I face. As the enemy gets close to me, please give me the insight, wisdom, and skill to wield the word of God to drive away the enemy, in my Lord Jesus name.

May the enemy and his team flee from me, upon hearing the word of God spoken by the power and direction of the Holy Spirit. Give me the sword of the spirit to cut through the wiles of the devil, so that I may discern the schemes of the enemy when he is near.

With all kinds of prayers, supplication, and intercession I pray to you my Lord God as the one who fights my battles. Now that I’m in your holy powerful armor, I walk away covered and ready to face my day as you go before me, and please protect me in the midst of the spiritual warfare in this unseen world, in my Lord Jesus name.

Thank you my Lord, for the spiritual weapons of armor and prayer that you have given me. It is written no weapon formed against me shall prosper, and you will refute every tongue that accuses me. 

Thank you Father God, my Lord Jesus and the Holy Spirit, that I am more than a conqueror in my Lord Jesus. I pray all of this in the mighty name of my Lord God and Savior Jesus Christ.


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Brave and Free

^^^ THIS, is why Melania had a long face yesterday, while Trump made a St Patty Day announcement.


Yes, Kal … that explains it.


Hi Dora,

(Don’t mind me… I’m just doing a little experiment here…)

OK… I posted, got the result I expected, so now I need to ask:

I was wondering WHY your links look like “HASH” to me?
Is EVERYONE seeing what I a seeing?
Is it my machine/settings?
Or do you post like that for a REASON, and if so, what is that?

I don’t see this with any other poster, so I’m just curious.

I am NOT on twitter, but I can “copy link to tweet” and paste it here, and it will present as above, if that helps.

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I just post it and that’s the way it comes out. I have no idea how to correct it.

I’m not on twitter either.


If you go to the tweet, at the bottom, towards the right, you will see a “share” icon.

(looks like THIS):

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Clicking on this gives options.

Click on “copy link to tweet” option.

Then go to the site you are commenting on and “paste” it into the comment box ON ITS OWM LINE


EDIT: WP is going CRAZY for me right now !


I’m attempting to post another “image” in this edit, as the first one failed to show.

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Valerie Curren

For getting & sharing tweets I just hover the cursor over the date & time of the tweet, right click, copy link address, & paste where needed. If it’s a video I right click the video & copy that link so that the video will (usually) play here too…


I was trying to figure out why Doras never come out.

Valerie Curren

YW Not sure about Dora’s shares but maybe she copies them from telegram or something because there always seem to be two links next to each other…


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RED ALERT  📢   😡  —

This news is now all over the internet (FoxNews, The Hill, etc.). Here’s an example:


Yours Truly: Donald J. Trump states that he’s expecting to be arrested next Tuesday (March 21.) The Manhattan DA behind this is ALVIN BRAGG. George Soros gave at least $1million to Bragg’s election campaign.
Also — Kellyanne Conway and Hope Hicks both have met with prosecutors recently.

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What would Kellyanne Conway and Hope Hicks know about the Stormy Daniels affair? Zip Nadda Nothing! Alvin Bragg is fishing with dynamite and doesn’t care if he kills everything to catch the Big One.


Good question. And, apparently, MICHAEL COHEN, Donald Trump’s disgraced former attorney, is mixed up in this also.


He hates Trump because he did not take him to DC. He hates him because Cohen committed a crime was jailed and Trump did not pardon him. He sold out to the worse democrat machine in NYC.




via American Military News

Yours Truly: Apparently, ALVIN BRAGG, the Manhattan DA bought and paid for by George Soros, HAS NOT YET DECIDED on exactly what charges he’s going to INDICT POTUS45 ON. And yet, Donald Trump will be arrested on Tuesday, March 21, in Florida on a New York warrant. POTUS45 will have to surrender in New York and be arraigned there — no arrangements will be made for a virtual arraignment.
Yours Truly is not an attorney, but it seems strange that the DA hasn’t come up with exactly what crimes Donald Trump will be charged with committing?
What’s Bragg’s game plan here — to literally hold Trump in jail for some period of time while charges are being drawn up?
ALSO — If one is reading other sources correctly, RON DESANTIS can refuse to have the arrest warrant served — but likely won’t?

Brave and Free

My thoughts on DeSantis. If he does nothing and claims he can’t/won’t iinterfere, it play’s to everyone who wants him to run……. Rhinos/never Trumpers
Can’t play politics wink wink.
If he does try to stop/help PDJT then everyone says he’s playing politics, and it hurts him with the Rhinos but helps him with anyone who’s MAGA but wants someone besides PDJT. The Trump only true MAGA followers won’t be swayed either way with what he may or may not do, but would possibly help his VP chance.
He’s really in a good position IMO politically.


That MIGHT depend on whether or not PDJT will need to be extradited.


Somewhere in this daily, Trump will be arraigned in-person, in NY.


I think if DeSantis can do something but doesn’t, MAGA will be finished with him.

Brave and Free

I agree, there’s MAGA and TRUMP MAGA.


Assuming CAN make Manhattan DA prove, show, charges filed…arrest IS warranted, DeSantis MUST do so.

Otherwise, DeSantis IS dead politically, on both national and FL scene.

Trump / MAGA / Law and Order, can NOT be so disrespected, without consequences, to DeSantis.



We have passed the point of this being about Trump. This is about the COUNTRY.

If we don’t triumph now, this country is DEAD.

NATIONAL STRIKE. Trump must call for it.


“If he does nothing and claims he can’t/won’t iinterfere, it play’s to everyone who wants him to run……. Rhinos/never Trumpers”


And it also ends any potential for his future in politics, because if he doesn’t stand up for Trump, no MAGA will ever support him again, and he can’t win without us.

And it would also remove him from consideration as a VP to Trump.

Personally I think both would be good, because I think Desantis is a snake.

So I hope Desanty commits political suicide by not supporting Trump.

Brave and Free

Good points,
what if he’s working with PDJT to expose the traitors?


“what if he’s working with PDJT to expose the traitors?”


Anything is possible, and if that’s the case, then DJT can rehabilitate Desanty (in the eyes of Trump supporters) by explaining that when the time is right.

I think it’s more likely that DJT recognized early on that career politician Ron Desantis is ambitious and dangerous (beholden to the globalist establishment).

DJT could have made his official residence anywhere, but he chose Florida.

Maybe he did that to expose career politician Ron Desantis. DJT could see that a lot of his own supporters are smitten with career politician and harvard lawyer Ron Desanty.

DJT certainly knew that the Cabal was going to do whatever it takes to get him and to prevent him from ever being POTUS again.

So DJT knew they would have to come for him, to arrest him on bogus charges, no matter where he lived.

If they have to come for him in Florida, that puts Ronnie the career politician in a tough spot, forcing Ronnie to choose whether to support Trump, or abandon him.

He already abandoned Trump during the first Mar-a-Lago FIB raid, so there’s no reason to expect this time to be any different.

Ronnie can only support Trump by going against his globalist establishment paymasters.

If he does so, that makes Ronnie dependent on DJT for his political future, because the establishment will never support Desanty again if he helps Trump.

And if Ronnie abandons Trump, that lets every MAGA patriot in the country know that Ronnie the career politician is just another Manchurian candidate, a product of harvard and yale, owned by the political-class.

Trump wins either way.

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They are doing the Stalin thing “name me the man and i find the crime”

Gail Combs


They have been doing it since Trump came down the elevator.


Yes they have. He interrupted their agenda


“POTUS45 will have to surrender in New York and be arraigned there — no arrangements will be made for a virtual arraignment.”


He doesn’t “have to” do anything.

The criminals and traitors can enter the game at their own risk, but once they enter, they don’t make the rules.

If DJT wants to make the criminals arrest him in Florida and haul him away like a common criminal, he can do that.

If DJT wants to refuse arrest and call for thousands of supporters to surround his residence, and make the criminals shed blood in order to get to him, he can do that.

Trump has lots of options.

He doesn’t ‘have to’ do anything, because the criminals don’t get to decide what DJT will or won’t do.


Trump should call for a general national strike in the event he is arrested. If HE will call for it, the people will do it.