Dear KAG: 20191030 Open Thread

We are here. The day before All Hallows Eve when parents everywhere are scrambling to get costumes finished and be sure that there is two hours worth of fun sized candy to hand out….

Oh, wait. That tradition has been wrecked, hasn’t it. Oh, well. We can enjoy some creepy music in the meantime. Here is one tune that we don’t hear all that often, but could well be one of the more haunting melodies of the American film score anthology played for once on a 1699 Stradivarius.

HA! Bet y’all thought I was going to post this:

Okay, so here’s the deal. This is the open thread. This is where we all come to get the news that other Q tree inhabitants think is worth knowing and sharing. Please, post links to any “news” stories quoted, and ask for help if you are stumped as to how to do that. We’re a friendly lot. Someone will be with you shortly, and there is no reason to have to press one for English.

Free speech, and the open exchange and hashing out of ideas is not only allowed, but encouraged. If we all don’t use it, we’re going to lose it. A little incivility goes a long way, though. Everyone here has closely held convictions and values. Stepping on them might result in something like this (start at about 1:30 in):

https://youtu.be/enrstfN8ado

And now for some house keeping:

There are a few rules here in the branches of the Q Tree. Our host, Wolfm00n, outlined them in a post on New Years Day. Please, review these rules from time to time. Tomorrow night while waiting for the doorbell to ring would be a good time.

Fellow tree dweller Wheatie gave us some good reminders on the basics of civility in political discourse:

  1. No food fights.
  2. No running with scissors.
  3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.

Steve suggests – to be accurate – no shooting at the nuclear weapons, but to be safe about it, don’t event point firearms toward them. I, Deplorable Patriot, bossy chick that I am, request no teasing the animals, pets and wildlife alike.

And…please, please, use the best critical thinking skills in making comments as tail feathers tend to raise while fire hydrants are being watered, even among friends.

Teasing and trolling the lefties and their bastions, on the other hand is a moral imperative.

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In the eternal fight against the forces of evil and darkness, unceasing prayer is always needed.

Today’s Lectionary tells us what is our responsibility in the bargain of salvation:

LK 13:22-30
Jesus passed through towns and villages,
teaching as he went and making his way to Jerusalem.
Someone asked him,
“Lord, will only a few people be saved?”
He answered them,
“Strive to enter through the narrow gate,
for many, I tell you, will attempt to enter
but will not be strong enough.
After the master of the house has arisen and locked the door,
then will you stand outside knocking and saying,
‘Lord, open the door for us.’
He will say to you in reply,
‘I do not know where you are from.’
And you will say,
‘We ate and drank in your company and you taught in our streets.’
Then he will say to you,
‘I do not know where you are from.
Depart from me, all you evildoers!’
And there will be wailing and grinding of teeth
when you see Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob
and all the prophets in the Kingdom of God
and you yourselves cast out.
And people will come from the east and the west
and from the north and the south
and will recline at table in the Kingdom of God.
For behold, some are last who will be first,
and some are first who will be last.”

As always, prayers for the fight against that which seeks to enslave us are welcome.

And now, on to the day’s news…..

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wheatietoo

This spokeswoman for the Reagan Library sounds unconcerned about the fire.
https://twitter.com/DanCohenFOX11/status/1189578104072654848?s=20
https://twitter.com/DanCohenFOX11/status/1189578110804451329?s=20

mollypitcher5

Wonder if this fire will morph into the steel melting type that the Paradise fire was and completely obliterate the library?
I’ll never believe that all of this is nature only. Within just a few short miles from where I live the Witch Creek fire in 2007 was incredibly destructive but no melted steel rims or asphalt. There are plenty of images of the aftermath ( poway witch creek fire images )
Yet in 2018 natural fires have somehow gotten hotter ? How ? Forget the laser theory or any of that but only compare images….
https://www.rawstory.com/2018/11/forest-fires-cannot-melt-steel-beams-deadly-california-disasters-give-birth-new-qanon-conspiracy-theory/

wheatietoo

Yep…there was a lot about those fires that was Not Normal.
We have wildfires here in OK too…the high winds even create ‘fire-nadoes’ sometimes.
And I’ve never seen anything like what happened last year in CA.

mollypitcher5

It’s a troubling thing to actually believe (me) that there are entities willing and able to create lethal destruction whether it’s fires or shooting events and possibly weather ( hurricanes)..I’m not sure about that one though.

phoenixrising37

It is troubling… and it is healthy that we are troubled …
But we must not deny facts because they require changing our mindsets………..
cognitive dissonance is a troubling thing… too!
research HAARP Molly… put on your list for when Qanon Research Board comes back online. (No need to reinvent the wheel… you’ll find plenty there… and if Ms Gail were here, she could pull up the facts for you in a NY minute!)

mollypitcher5

haha…I’ve been down the HAARP rabbit hole many times and find it mucho believable already!

patfrederick

now with the outtages and people using generators to get power? that could be very disastrous…

wheatietoo

Creepy Joe…a history of corruption.

singingsoul1

Today as I was out and about I heard from Rush show some excerpts about Alexander Vindeman’s statements at the Congress Schiff farce. Vindeman said paraphrased ” that he was so concerned about the phone call with Ukraine that he shared with his brother.”
Vindeman’s brother a twin in a lawyer in for the NSA I believe sitting in the WH. I now wonder if the whistle blower
is Vindeman’s brother? That would explain his lawyer perfected paperwork?

mollypitcher5

My thoughts exactly the other day when I read that very same thing

NebraskaFilly

Ah…..I was unaware of that……oh, the webs they weave!!!!

singingsoul1

I also as immigrant do not like dual citizenship.
Vindman has dual citizenship. Where is the loyalty and why have two?
Also if he wanted to change the Ukraine transcript to fit his narrative no wonder the WH moved it on secure computer. The Intel community are not our friends their loyalty is in globalism and democrat socialism.

NebraskaFilly

I never really contemplated the issue in depth but I would think, as a minimum, no-one with dual citizenship should be able to serve in the armed forces, intelligence or a government seat. Just looking from an overall view. I don’t think it is necessarily bad to allow dual citizenship among the overall citizenry, tho.

singingsoul1

When I became a citizen I embraced US citizenship. I was pledged my loyalty to the USA and also pledged that I would defend and help with defending this country if I am ask to serve whatever it is. How can one do this when one has loyalty to two countries?
I have seen children of immigrants torn between two countries. Kids were homesick to Germany because parents send them every summer to grandparents. I never wanted that for my kids and did not do that. I have to confess I am very much black and white and it is one or the other.

phoenixrising37

I have NEVER understood why US allows dual citizenship… look at Congress, FULL of them.

NebraskaFilly

I look at it this way: although I lived in NOVA for almost 30 years, I was ALWAYS a Husker, always with the intent to return at some point. Were I to live in another country and acquire citizenship for one reason or another, I would NEVER want to give up my US citizenship, anymore than I gave up my NE citizenship. So, there is that…..

singingsoul1

That is why I waited 45 years to become a US citizen to make sure that in my heart I could pledge loyalty to the US.

huskerheart

Filly—Husker first, American second! 🤷🏻‍♀️❤️🎈❤️🇺🇸

Elizabeth Carter

I agree.
Matthew 6:24 King James Version (KJV)
24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

wheatietoo
wheatietoo

This is cute…check out the little ‘punisher pup’ on Dr. Quigley’s tweet.

prognosticatasaurusrex

SPECTACULAR!

wheatietoo

In case y’all haven’t noticed…that’s not a ‘real’ Medal of Honor.
It’s a medallion with a Paw on it.
😄

GA/FL

Heh!!!

Dora

And I don’t think that’s legal.
=====
McConnell Says Impeachment Resolution Makes Schiff ‘a de Facto Special Prosecutor’
https://www.theepochtimes.com/mcconnell-says-impeachment-resolution-makes-schiff-a-de-facto-special-prosecutor_3131895.html

andyocoregon

The Dems could care less if anything they do is legal. They have an obsession to impeach President Trump so they can have any chance to win the 2020 election.
Besides, they’re still angry the Republican House voted to impeach Bill Clinton in 1998.
And they’re still angry Hillary lost the 2016 election.
It’s all about revenge and cheating to win.

wheatietoo

Poor guy…
The ABA tried to torpedo this Trump judicial nominee, by putting out a false statement about him.
Judge VanDyke felt so betrayed that he was brought to tears.

.
The ABA should be called the American Leftist Bar Assn.

mollypitcher5

It’s disgusting.
The Left has become amoral. They lie for any gain. They destroy people without any shame. Fascists . .
.

singingsoul1

That is what socialists do. They have no ethical compass except their ideology that overshadows everything in their life.

prognosticatasaurusrex

This SHIT right here HAS to stop. Here and NO further. These fools have been able to run rough shod on too many good men and women for too damn long. It is TIME to put their considerable shoe on the other foot. Release it ALL Mr. President, let the chips FALL where they may. Sometimes when something is THIS bad, we need to just “burn” it down and START over. Indict them ALL…even the lowly that participated.
NO more of this BULLSHIT. Time to let them feel the HEAT. Time for THEM to be destroyed, have THEIR lives ruined, have THEIR reputations besmirched, have THEIR livelihood taken, and have THEIR freedom forfeited.

patfrederick

patfrederick

TheseTruths

I applaud Gaetz for doing something, but I have questions about where this could go…into a long investigation by the Ethics Committee? Do they have the power to remove Schiff from his position running the impeachment sham? Or will the Ethics Committee hand down some kind of censure that changes nothing? At this point I’d like to see Schiff hauled out in handcuffs, but that’s not going to happen.

patfrederick

maybe not—but he’s doing something–and bringing it out intot he public eye which rules he’s violating–stuff like that…

NebraskaFilly

Not with the Dems in charge of the House – pretty much symbolic only but at least it’s something…..JMO – others probably know more than I.

prognosticatasaurusrex

Schiff filed an ethics complaint (bogus) on Nunes. Nunes was FORCED to give up his chairmanship until it was resolved (6 months). Equal justice dems…we ARE watching. Remember when you GIVE no quarter, you will RECEIVE none back.

Rodney Short

Paul Ryan allowed it to happen because he is neck deep in trying to take down TRUMP.

prognosticatasaurusrex

Yep, posted on my blog about the original plan to impeach Trump AND Pence to get a president Ryan….Why ELSE do you think Ryan, arguably the 2nd or third most powerful republican RETIRED from CONGRESS at such a young age.
NONE of them give up THAT much power “willingly”

Rodney Short

Amen

NebraskaFilly

This is the problem: who is going to enforce it? Piglosi won’t support it.

prognosticatasaurusrex

I thought the “ethics” committee, was independent. Wasn’t that committee ALMOST done away with when Trump first took office, until the dems used it against Republicans that supported Trump?

NebraskaFilly

IDK – no doubt, you know more about it than I probably do. But if the “ethics” committee is under control of the House…….and the Dems control the House…..*shrug*

NebraskaFilly

Ethics committee made up of 5 each D/R. Hung jury?
https://ethics.house.gov/about/committee-members

wheatietoo

Good for Matt Gaetz!
😀👍

Teagan

Unfortunately, it means nothing! And that’s the sad part. Totally out of control…no accountability, forget the Rules not only of Congress but basic legality (intimidation of witnesses, etc). Surely, there is some group within Congress with authority to stop this lawlessness.
We know, of course, Pelosi will do nothing. Is she the ultimate authority and no recourse?
If the GOP is barred from entering the committee room, despite the Rules can not the Sargent at Arms be called in to enforce the Rules? None of this ever came up in my Poli Sci classes!

Dora

Well, of course. Who else can we blame it on?
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Jerry Brown Blames Trump, Republicans for California Fires: ‘The Blood Is on Your Soul’
https://www.breitbart.com/environment/2019/10/30/jerry-brown-blames-trump-republicans-for-california-fires-the-blood-is-on-your-soul/

andyocoregon

Loony Liberals are such a joke. How they remember to breathe i beyond me.

GA/FL

Democrat corruption, unconcern and incompetence are to blame for not planning and implementing fire prevention measures.
Such as:
– Removing dead trees and cutting brush around populated areas.
– Zoning creating buffer zones around towns and neighborhoods
– Irrigate buffer zones around neighborhoods during droughts
– Desalinization plants to provide water for irrigation
– Planting buffer zones with deep root drought resistant evergreen plant species to prevent fires in autumn and mudslides in rainy seasons
LOTS can be done.
Think of the jobs too! :8-)

GA/FL

LOTS can or could be done – but not with corrupt greedy loony Democrats in charge.

prognosticatasaurusrex

That most likely means it was the Dems or Cabal that set or had set those fires…Rex’s axiom…ANYTHING the Dems blame on Trump, means THEY are guilty of it…PROJECTION…ALWAYS.

andyocoregon

Dear Santa… :).

patfrederick

i’d take a classic any day….comment image

andyocoregon

A world of difference between the two. Of course there’s more than 50 years of development between them as well.
I’d probably just get in trouble and lose my drivers license with the Shelby GT500.

A Fortiori

I was at a driving school at Virginia International Raceway several years ago and saw a guy wreck a brand new Rousch RS on his warm up lap. Apparently he goosed it coming out of turn 6 and into the uphill Ss (I love the uphill Ss), lost it, bounced the back end of his car off the wall on the inside of turn 6 and as he careened back onto the track, hit another (lesser) Mustang that was behind him. The Roush RS appeared to be a total loss.
And for QTreepers who may not know, the vast majority of insurance policies for road cars do not cover damage on a track. You can purchase event specific insurance for your vehicle, but not for other damage you may cause (other cars you may hit, facilities you damage, etc.). I talked to one of Roush RS driver’s buddies the next day; he was not insured.
When operating powerful and dangerous machinery, I follow the wisdom of the Austere Philosopher and Scholar (Dirty) Harry Callahan: “A man’s got to know his limitations.”

andyocoregon

An uninsured crash like that would tend to hurt financially for a long, long time.
I’m glad I got all the go-fast out of my system when I was a teenager.

kalbokalbs

AND, fortunately we survived unscathed.

patfrederick

i agree on the differences…i just like the classic look better…

Teagan

Sorry…I like AC and push button windows! And, having had a sports car, with gear shift, and living in a NJ shore community with stop signs every short block….that cured me of the “romance” of gear shifts! 😉

singingsoul1

Teagan I love stick shift and cried when I had to have automatic.
What I love about the stick shift is one can feel he road and one is really driving. One can feel how fast one is going and it is not boring on long stretches when on the road.
I now drive a Subaru with turbo and all mechanics love the car. At the dealership one mechanic wants to work on the car and never lets anyone touch it.

scott467

Stick-shift or bust. 👍
It’s the difference between driving and coasting.
When driving a manual transmission, the car is more like an extension of you. You are more ‘integrated’ with or in control over the machine. Nothing happens without your constant input and your input is constantly adjusted based on feedback from the machine. You are engaging both feet and both hands in the operation of the car.
As you said, you can ‘feel’ the road, and you can feel the machine working, as when you let off the gas, the drag of the engine slows down the car, where an automatic transmission feels like you’re coasting in neutral when you let off the gas.
With an automatic transmission, you are more isolated and insulated from the road, and from the driving experience itself.
All you really do is steer. Like a street legal golf cart.
For many people, an automatic transmission car is perfectly fine, all they could want or need. They may not care about performance or the ‘driving experience’ in the slightest, it’s just a means to get from point ‘A’ to point ‘B’.
For me, an automatic transmission takes most of the fun out of driving.
Besides having nothing for your left foot to do, and nowhere for your right hand to go, what bothers me most about automatics is the shift points.
Automatics NEVER shift when I would shift, either going up OR down through the gears.
And that really bothers me. It’s like driving school, when the instructor sat in the passenger seat and had a brake lever he could push, ‘just in case’.
Whenever the car shifts before I want it to (which is always, automatics never reach the same higher rpms I would with a manual transmission, before shifting), it’s like someone else is in the car changing gears, and I want to SMACK him.
😁
P.S. And another thing… when they put an automatic transmission in the car, they STEAL the tachometer. You can’t just REMOVE the tachometer. It’s supposed to go RIGHT NEXT to the speedometer.
Next thing you know, they’ll start removing all the other gauges too, and all we’ll have left is an idiot light…

singingsoul1

Steve very good analogy driving stick shift.
Yes automatic is boring but having a turbo engine in my car helped me a little . I have never gotten a ticket I drive with the flow of traffic.
Miss the Autobahn 🙂

scott467

“I have never gotten a ticket I drive with the flow of traffic.”
________________
You are far braver than I am 😁
The only thing I trust less than Leftists is other drivers on the road. I drive in anticipation that they’re going to do something stupid, usually because they’re just not paying attention to DRIVING.
Driving with the flow (to me) is like driving on Talladega or Daytona speedway, side by side, bumper to bumper. One wrong move by anyone in the pack, and it wipes out everybody behind them. Except at least there, you know the other drivers and they’re all skilled enough to be on the track.
On the street, I have no idea who the other drivers are, or their level of skill, beyond what I can see with my own eyes, which is almost always NOT good 😁
So the two options are either go slower than the flow, or go faster, in order to spend as little time in or around ‘packs’ of cars as possible.
And slower is not really an option. Especially considering most people drive under the speed limit anyway — which just about kills me… at LEAST go the speed limit… please… I’m dyin’ back here, lol!

A Fortiori

The connection you describe is precisely the reason I bought my son a car with a manual transmission when he first got his driver’s license. (He needed to replace the clutch and rebuild the suspension, so I was not being as generous as it may at first seem).
I taught him first about driving position (which nobody seems to think about these days) and clutch take up, driving with the tachometer in order to do rev matching which leads to a feel for shift points, and heel/toe downshifting. By far the best way to force a teenager to pay attention.

patfrederick

i can’t even drive a manual…lol…I just like the lines…but I hate power windows, heated everything…
hubby’s power window on the driver’s side quit working in one of his Grand Cherokees–and he had to replace the entire harness in the door–what an expense…I’d rather roll my own windows down…lol…and in my Jeep, I can take the door off if I want…

Teagan

You must not have lived in the days or areas of toll baskets! Now, of course, there are transponders that deduct a toll fee automatically, but I dealt with the toss the exact coins in the baskets on the toll roads and even the bridges at the Jersey Shore. Between rolling my window up and down several times a day and shifting gears every block going through town…I was ready to give up my zippy little sports car for urban living.
I imagine the majority to today’s drivers have never driven a manual! In fact I know of a young woman who couldn’t get vehicles out of a garage in an emergency because she had no idea of how to drive them.

patfrederick

no, hubby wants to teach me…lol…not sure he has the patient needed.
I don’t frequent toll roads, but I have driven on them–I don’t mind…I am a wind in my hair kind of gal so I always rolls mine down…

A Fortiori

Have we learned anything further on this development?
https://twitter.com/IsraelinOZ/status/1189315462896783365/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1189315462896783365&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwqth.wordpress.com%2F2019%2F10%2F29%2Fdear-kmag-20191029-open-topic%2F
Did perhaps PDJT’s October 14, 2019 executive order on Syria influence the finances available for Israeli embassy operations worldwide?

A Fortiori

I have seen that explanation. But it seems to me that the simultaneous closing of all diplomatic missions worldwide is a rather drastic result to have arisen from an expense reimbursement dispute, particularly since protection of the rights of citizens on foreign soil is a primary function of diplomat missions.
Perhaps I am overthinking this.

kalbokalbs

Ya. Something fundamentally stooped, closing all embassies worldwide, having nothing to do with security.
Problem, politics.
IIRC, Israel is still trying figure out who is their leader. Complicated business as I understand it.

phoenixrising37

I agree Kal……………. when they do figure it out, the leader will be a very weak one, with a patched up union of several parties, the total of which will be very weak.

scott467

I have also read speculation with regard to the following.
A) many of our crooked politicians (and others) have dual citizenship with Israel
B) closing all Israeli embassies makes it impossible for aforementioned crooked politicians (and others) to go to their nearest Israeli embassy and claim ‘asylum’, if the crooked politicians (and others) should suddenly be subject to arrest, en masse.
Probably just wishful thinking though.

A Fortiori

And whilst I am soliciting opinions from my fellow QTreepers, what do people make of Judge Sullivan’s order in the Flynn case last night? Obviously, the Judge is telling Flynn that no new issues will be considered beyond those already raised.
On the other hand, the Judge ordered the government to respond to the issues Powell has raised, and to do so by November 1, even though the government argued they should not have been raised, are not material, or should otherwise be ignored.
I’m particularly interested in the Halper component of this. DOJ argues that Halper’s HUMINT activities prior to the time Flynn became PDJT’s National Security Advisor are not relevant to the issue of Flynn’s truthfulness during his interview about the Kislyak call. And in a very narrow sense, DOJ has a point (although I doubt the issue of how the 302 was edited, who did the editing and what were the edits is irrelevant).
And it does seem to me to be relevant that Flynn was under surveillance and that the FBI had a transcript of the Kislyak call before interviewing Flynn, which means they could not have been seeking information about what took place on the call and must have had another motive for the interview. The broader sweep of the activities against Flynn is indeed relevant to the question of what that motive may have been.
https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/30/judge-tells-government-to-respond-to-allegations-it-hid-evidence-from-michael-flynns-legal-team/

andyocoregon

From Laura Loomer…..
Just as our Special Forces operators were engaged in a fight to take down the leader of an international terrorist group, a member of the United States House of Representatives stood on American soil, enthusiastically addressing and promoting a group that has been designated by the UAE as a “terrorist organization”.
The following day, two hours after President Trump announced the death of the leader of ISIS, this same member of Congress posted a picture on Instagram proudly wearing a shirt, blazoned with the logo of the same group that is linked to terrorism.
In that picture, this member of Congress is standing and smiling next to, Hassan Shibly, who has sued the Trump administration to defend a woman who joined ISIS and married TWO ISIS terrorists. This “ISIS Bride” also made the statement that she wanted to kill innocent Americans in the name of ISIS.
But it didn’t stop there.
After another few hours, this Congressperson, in an attempt to shift the narrative away from Islamic terrorism, which she enables, posted this on Twitter:
“We must confront the hateful ideology of white nationalism and treat it like the national security threat that it is.”
Want to take a guess who this elected member of Congress is?
.
.
.
You guessed it, Democrat Rep. Ilhan Omar.
If that’s not an attempt to send a message of support to our enemies, I don’t know what is.
This is why I am fighting to become a member of Congress. Your support is vital to make that happen.
My name is Laura Loomer, and I’m a Republican running for Florida’s 21st Congressional District.
I want to be able to stand on the floor of the House Chamber, live on CSPAN, and initiate a vote to EXPEL Ilhan Omar from Congress.
Our Constitution binds our elected officials to their oath of office.
Ilhan Omar, with her hand on the Quran, swore, “I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic . . .”
She has done the opposite, and should be the sixth person in the history of our Republic to be expelled from Congress.
If given the privilege to serve in Washington, I will expose Ilhan Omar and any other member of Congress who betrays their oath of office.
Following the guidelines of our Constitution, I will work to have trojan-horse enemies within, expelled from office.
Respectfully,
Laura Loomer
P.S. There has been a lot of chatter about “impeaching” members of Congress, but the Constitution makes it clear that members of the House or Senate can be expelled from office with a two-thirds vote. Only five members of Congress have ever been expelled from office. Ilhan Omar has betrayed her oath of office by openly supporting multiple terrorist organizations and terror-tied groups. Let’s make her the sixth Congressional expulsion in the history of our nation.

GA/FL

Spit!

scott467

It’s possible that he’s just going there to blow up their little game.
I know a lot of people dislike Bolton, and I get the whole war-monger thing, but he also seems like a fairly normal guy on the occasions where I saw him on the old Greg Gutfeld late night show, ‘Red Eye’.
I would be very surprised if he was actually ‘out to get Trump’.
Not saying he isn’t, just that I would be surprised.

Aubergine

I’m with you. I’ll be surprised if that’s the case. He doesn’t seem like a never-Trumper moron, just a war-hawk.

A Fortiori

Yeah, we need to kill off the notion of world government completely. I hope the demise of the UN is on PDJT’s to do list during his second term.

pgroup

I love Charlie Kirk but he should understand that rounding up all the Muslims and separating them from the main population is the one good thing China is doing. Europe should be doing the same thing but they aren’t smart enough. We have constitutional rights to prevent us from doing that but we have deportation and we should use it. Send all the Muslims in the US back where they came from.

scott467

“I love Charlie Kirk but he should understand that rounding up all the Muslims and separating them from the main population is the one good thing China is doing.”
_______________
I’m certainly for getting islam quarantined and the practice outlawed according to Samuel Adams’ position that freedom of religion does not extend to tolerating subversion of the civil government:
……………………………..
Hanover College published “The Rights of the Colonists,” in which Adams wrote:
“In regard to religion, mutual toleration in the different professions thereof is what all good and candid minds in all ages have ever practised, and, both by precept and example, inculcated on mankind.
And it is now generally agreed among Christians that this spirit of toleration, in the fullest extent consistent with the being of civil society, is the chief characteristical mark of the Church. Insomuch that Mr. Locke has asserted and proved, beyond the possibility of contradiction on any solid ground, that such toleration ought to be extended to all whose doctrines are not subversive of society.
The only sects which he thinks ought to be, and which by all wise laws are excluded from such toleration, are those who teach doctrines subversive of the civil government under which they live.”
http://disq.us/url?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.breitbart.com%2Fbig-government%2F2015%2F09%2F20%2Ffounding-father-samuel-adams-say-ben-carsons-opposition-muslim-president%2F%3AyNklIXdWsrXmcng4N4c9pFK3clE&cuid=932754
……………………………..
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But China’s concentration camps are beyond sick in their cruelty, not to mention the organ harvesting. This is an article from an islamic Chinese survivor who escaped:
https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-a-million-people-are-jailed-at-china-s-gulags-i-escaped-here-s-what-goes-on-inside-1.7994216

scott467

It is this exact argument by Samuel Adams that should be the basis for outlawing islam.

scott467

So the Cabal is pro-Muzzie invasion of every Western nation in the world, and pro-Muzzie’s belong in concentration camps in China, because it promotes a stronger sense of happiness.
So this means that the U.N. must support Western Europe, Australia, Canadia and America putting Muzzies in concentration camps to promote a stronger sense of happiness too, correct?
What other rational conclusion could there be, that reconciles with the U.N.’s position toward China?

scott467

“IDK if it is so much pro muslim as it is anti-Christian. I do think that needs to be considered.”
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Definitely.
But the U.N. is the antithesis of a ‘moral body’ or beacon of ‘moral leadership’.
If the U.N. supports Chinese concentration camps for muzzies, it’s because the Chinese paid the U.N. members to take that position.
And the U.N. supports the mass invasion of muzzies into Western countries because that’s part of their Agenda 21 and other NWO agendas.
And the U.N. sees no conflict or hypocrisy at all between supporting concentration camps for muzzies in one country (China), while simultaneously encouraging muzzies by the tens of millions to run roughshod over every majority-white and/or majority Christian nation in the world.
The inherent hypocrisy shows that islam is truly just a tool being used by the Cabal. They will agree to suppress islam wherever it is in their own Cabal interest (financially or ideologically) to do so, and they will agree to promote islam wherever the Cabal wants to disrupt or destroy.

scott467

See, if we knew how to play the game as the Left does, this would be a golden opportunity, a dream gift from the enemy.
Someone like Soros would fund online trolls to start promoting camps for muzzies, pointing to the U.N. position on Muzzie camps in China.
The same financiers would organize rallies and protest groups all over America and Europe advocating for muzzies to be put in these camps, and pointing directly at the U.N. for their reasoning and justification, i.e., “don’t blame us, we’re just following the U.N. position!”.
This would FORCE media attention on the irreconcilable positions, put the corrupt U.N. on the hot seat, and the U.N. would fold up like a cheap tent under the pressure and reverse their position on support for Chinese concentration camps for muzzies.
But our side doesn’t understand how to do any of that, or why it would be effective.

phoenixrising37

she is in a lot of trouble………………. is there in cot in GITMO with her name on it?

scott467

I was thinking accommodations more like the prison in Papillon.comment image

TheseTruths

I’ve been sick of the way Congress berates witnesses for a long time, and that was the worst I’ve ever seen. I don’t know how he kept his cool. She should be in jail for the Awan scandal, (probably) orchestrating Seth Rich’s murder, and who knows what else. She spewed lies and wouldn’t allow him to state his side. There should be rules against that.

Dora
Sadie Slays

If you haven’t been following the drama involving Charlie Kirk and Turning Point USA, then it’s time to start paying attention. A civil war on the Right is brewing. Long story short, Charlie Kirk/Turning Point USA has been hosting Q&As on college campuses for the last few days. A conservative social media star called Nick Fuentes encouraged his fans (who call themselves “Groypers”) to show up and ask Charlie Kirk uncomfortable questions about mass immigration and Israel. Charlie Kirk and others at Turning Point responded by calling them “trolls” and “racists.” Things are getting heated.
Paul Joseph Watson posted a video with a balanced explanation of the whole feud. I strongly recommend it:
https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1189542712665620480
So why should you pay attention? Well, this entire thing smells like a Divide & Conquer tactic against the Right. This feud even has a name: “Gatekeeping Right vs. Dissident Right.” Yup, this only started recently and the term “Dissident Right” cropped up literally overnight just like “alt-right” did in 2016. Who came up with these names and why are they being pushed hard? This doesn’t feel organic.

mollypitcher5

The very best clown psy ops masters in the world on the job…when throat punching loses it’s appeal..time to go deeper

scott467

I knew nothing about any of this until about a day ago when I saw it mentioned on NeonRevolt. I have heard of Charlie Kirk, but know nothing about him or TPUSA (I think that’s the acronym for his organization).
FWIW, NeonRevolt appears to consider ‘Conservative Inc.’ (Charlie Kirk, Ben Shapiro, Steven Crowder, et al) as Cuckseravative NeverTrumpers and grifters. I don’t know anything about Kirk or Crowder, but Ben Shapiro was virulently NeverTrump leading up to the 2016 election.
From everything Paul Watson said about their views, ‘Conservative Inc’ is NOT ‘conservative’ at all, they’re Democrat Lite, Leftist wannabes, at best.
As for this being a ploy to divide, I suppose it could be, but then again, what is there to ‘divide’ from? It sounds to me like ‘Conservative Inc.’ / TPUSA is just controlled opposition for the Left, no different than UniParty RINOs bought off by the CoC.
At this point, it sounds like ‘Conservative Inc. / TPUSA’ needs to come clean on their positions regarding apparent unlimited immigration and all the gender insanity issues, and I don’t think they can, which is why instead they are just going to attack anyone who questions them.
Until ‘Conservative Inc. / TPUSA’ confronts the issues and answers the legitimate questions being asked by the alt-right challengers, the alt-right challengers are just going to grow in numbers and support, I suspect.
And it’s hard to see how that’s a bad thing at this point.

Sadie Slays

Well said. The mask really came off the phony conservatives today:

If this how they want to define conservatism, then good riddance.
I’m having trouble finding the right words at the moment, so I’ll just leave it at this. It’s not good for anyone but the Democrats to enter the next phase of the Presidential election with this giant shitshow on our side.

scott467

Just found an informative series of posts on this subject over at Neon Revolt:
This is one of the most recent, but there are at least 7 or 8 going back and forth on various aspects of ‘modern conservatism’ (Conservative, Inc., TPUSA) and the problems it presents.
https://gab.com/NeonRevolt
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ℕ𝔼𝕆ℕ ℝ𝔼𝕍𝕆𝕃𝕋
Verified Account@NeonRevolt
#Cuckservative Charlie Kirk replied recently that “he didn’t care what two consenting adults did in their bedroom.”
That is a #Cuckservative talking point. Heck, it was an outright Leftist talking point 20 years ago. It’s what the likes of Bill Maher was peddling when he was still on ABC.
But beyond that, why is Charlie and all the other Cuckservatives wrong about this?
Because the natural, nuclear FAMILY is the foundation of the TRIBE.
And the TRIBE is the foundation of the STATE.
Degrade the integrity of the natural, nuclear family, and you fundamentally WEAKEN the state.
Homosexual relations do not produce families. They produce degradation, disease, promiscuity, and weakness. These are anathema to healthy communities.
But Cuckservatives are so far removed from any semblance of identity and place they can’t see this any more. Everyone is just an interchangeable human worker blob, and rubbing bits of flesh together to fire pleasure neurons in the brain in whatever configuration you like is just the order of the day. “Christian” Charlie Kirk conveniently abandons the Biblical mandate here, when pressed, because he’s too cowardly to risk offending some people.
He’d literally rather please masses of people, than God. By making “consent” the gold standard for sexual morality, Kirk has already given in to the Satanic madlibs played by Liberals.
Because if “consent” is the gold standard, the question then becomes:
“Who can consent?”
Can 10 year-olds consent?
And watch: all it would take to lead the masses down this path would be the media parading out a slew of individuals talking about all the “positive” sexual experiences they had as children, working it into narratives in movies and TV, and generally normalizing the idea until everyone was demoralized enough to just accept it.
That’s exactly what they did with the LGBT playbook. And that happened in about a decade, before an illegitimate Supreme Court rammed it through all 50 states.
I keep saying this, but people, you need to catch it: THE SLIPPERY SLOPE IS REAL.
Charlie Kirk is living proof of that. Because 10 years ago, he’d be a milquetoast Liberal with the kind of talking points he peddles. Meanwhile, Conservatives wonder why they lose with Lagging Liberals like Kirk at the helm.
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Sadie Slays

Neon Revolt’s doing a great job covering feud. This whole thing should be watched closely.

scott467

And this article, by Andrew Torba, CEO of Gab:
The America-First Right vs The Gatekeeper Right
Posted on October 30, 2019 by Andrew Torba
https://news.gab.com/2019/10/30/the-america-first-right-vs-the-gatekeeper-right/

Sadie Slays

It’s revealing that Turning Point treated both Gab and Paul Joseph Watson really poorly.

scott467

Yep… what are they so afraid of? 🙂

daughnworks247

I’m just blown away.
Eric Ciamarella = Whistleblower.
He invited Alexandra Chalupa to the White House (with other lobbyists from Ukraine) in November of 2015.
A 33 yr old beta male, Yale grad, fluent in Russian/Ukraine/Arabic, went to work for CIA and Brennan sent him to the White House, summer of 2015, to work under Susan Rice.
There, he developed a close relationship with Joe Biden, ……. cuz Ukraine was his thing.
He was let go from the White House in June of 2017 for leaking.
It was Ciamarella who leaked to an outside agency and misreported the contents and activities of the Russian FM Lavrov in the Oval Office.
“””””Contents of the email appear to have ended up in the media, which reported Trump boasted to the Russian officials about firing Comey, whom he allegedly called “crazy, a real nut job.”
In effect, Ciaramella helped generate the “Putin fired Comey” narrative, according to the research dossier making the rounds in Congress, a copy of which was obtained by RealClearInvestigations.
Ciaramella allegedly argued that “President Putin suggested that President Trump fire Comey,” the report said. “In the days after Comey’s firing, this presidential action was used to further political and media calls for the standup [sic] of the special counsel to investigate ‘Russia collusion.’ “”””””
Give those children an inch and they will take a mile.
He was not disciplined before and therefore, he went further this time.
He’s clearly working with people at NSC, who were Obama holdovers, and now on Schiff’s staff.
Time to start recruiting from the University of Iowa, Kansas, Alabama, etc.
The radical college kids have got to go, and the media is the problem.
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/10/30/whistleblower_exposed_close_to_biden_brennan_dnc_oppo_researcher_120996.html

michaelh

Time Remaining before Daughn Posts a New Thread:comment image

daughnworks247

I had to get my two threads ready for Friday.
I’m sorry.

thinkthinkthink

No worries. We’ll take what we can get and be very, very happy. 🙂

scott467

👍 😁

duchess01

Magnificent video of horse going back to rescue two more horses from wildfire…
Posted by Kane on October 30, 2019 4:46 pm
https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/magnificent-video-of-horse-going-back-to-rescue-two-more-horses-from-wildfire/

phoenixrising37

Not to undermine Conan’s award/medal in any way………………
just thought this ‘other’ award really funny –

thinkthinkthink

Good sense of humor!

gil00

Of course not. There’s nothing to be offended about.

daughnworks247

Linda

Poor little nervous Nancy. Now what is she going to do?
https://twitter.com/1776Stonewall/status/1189623386571497473?s=20

andyocoregon

Bet most of them are in purple states and they’re afraid of what will happen to them in the next election if they are publicly named.

andyocoregon

The firefighters in California are murdering golf courses with red fire retardant and bulldozers. Gotta be done.

trumpismine
daughnworks247

This is a setup if I’ve ever seen one.
We’re supposed to believe Ciamarella invited Alexandra Chalupa to the White House with other Ukrainian Lobbyists……… the one who worked with Ukrainian officials to frame Manafort.
OMG
And Ciamarella wasn’t just some guy who wandered around in the Exec Branch, he was Biden’s point man on Ukraine for almost 2yrs.
And he hasn’t been in the WH since June of 2017?
And he was kicked OUT of the WH because he went outside the chain of command and sent emails to OUTSIDE agencies LYING about President Trump’s meeting with Lavrov IN THE OVAL OFFICE!!!!!!!!!!!

trumpismine

Where’s the whistle blower? Ciamarella !!

trumpismine

A little moar about the WB

singingsoul1

Alexander Vindman’s twin brother needs to be looked at also. He is a lawyer working from the WH and Alex spoke to him about POTUS phone call and how inappropriate it was.

scott467

And now, after being thrown out of the WH, he’s back home…
…at the C_A.

trumpismine

para59r

Good on Rudy, and Barr said in his January confirmation hearing that he was going to be looking into Spy Gate and the genesis of Spy Gate is enmeshed in Ukraine, so the Dems can shove it. It’s all noise to keep America from the truth of this ongoing coup to unseat a duly elected President. But of course we already know all this and are just waiting for this movie to come to its logical conclusion.

GA/FL

WOW!!! Video of special forces storming Baghdadi’s hideout.

GA/FL

para59r

It looks like the dog is on top of the wall.

GA/FL

Good eye!
Belgian Malinois can climb walls and trees – as many a villain has discovered.

trumpismine
GA/FL

McConnell:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1189643818431406080

GA/FL

Bolton lawyer says:

Cuppa Covfefe

Hmmm. So turncoat Bolt-on will legitimize the DEMONicRATS kangaroo inquisition’s attempts to produce Subpoenas?
By what authority? Wonder what Big T. and/or Ristvan have to say about that?????

Aubergine

But wait. We know the “subpoenas” are in reality nothing but request letters, and as such have no power to compel testimony.
Maybe what this lawyer is doing is trolling the Dems, knowing they can’t produce an actual subpoena.

phoenixrising37

Gregg has another THREAD – click a tweet
https://twitter.com/GregRubini/status/1189598301395587072

scott467

Biden appears to have aged dramatically, in spite of all the plastic surgery and hair plugs.

phoenixrising37

Yes… he doesn’t look anything like the Biden of 20 or even 10 years ago…

thinkthinkthink

Too good! Good dog!

🦋🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🦋

Conan, Warrior Princess!!! 👑🐕⭐️
She’s been on FIFTY missions! 50!!!

thinkthinkthink

The delight this brings to my heart…
https://twitter.com/k_ovfefe/status/1189734891807744001

michaelh

Clearly someone photo-shopped Donald Trump in for Conan.

scott467

DJT might want to consider making him (her?) acting Homeland Security director or in charge of border security.

daughnworks247

This is going to hurt our Nat Sec but can’t leave them in positions

realsauce

This is the second of a 3 part series Glenn Beck is doing on the Ukraine situation. I watched it live, it starts off a bit slow but picks up pace basically dissecting the left and MSMs talking points from their perspective and refuting them.
He promises something “disturbing” that they discovered they are fact checking for the third episode that Glenn claims if true and nothing is done about it will shake our republic to its core.
Makes you wonder what it is and if it relates to anything Q has hinted at in regards to the global cabal. My guess looking and the preview at the end that it may have something to do with U1, but I also think it could be the financing and creation of ISI by the global left….guess we’ll see

realsauce

Oops, here is the full video

realsauce

(edit, addendum) Nix the U1 thought, I saw RRs name a memo and leaped to that conclusion but it was recent when he was DAG

daughnworks247

Yum, Yum, Yum!!

thinkthinkthink

This ad should help.

thinkthinkthink

Interesting thread linked by Amazing Polly.

thinkthinkthink

More declassified docs. This from the CIA shows US hand in turning Ukraine towards Nazism. Beyond belief.comment image

Linda

Unbelievable! The CIA needs to be shattered into 1,000 pieces and flushed down the toilet for all time.

singingsoul1

My brother in Germany told me that Ukraine were Nazi and that was before POTUS was elected.
Does that mean Soros is a Nazi? Just wondering since his early years was colluding with them.

realsauce

Saw this on Qora and thought it well done.comment image

realsauce

Oops again….Title is a Illustrated guide to gun controll

scott467

So we should implement this entire process, in reverse.