2021·10·02 Joe Biden Didn’t Win Daily Thread

Another week, another deluge of BS from the White House and from the Controlled Opposition.

The Audit is over, now the spin doctoring begins. Other efforts are afoot in other states. Good. The more the merrier.

The collapse of the Covidschina continues.

No doubt much will be said about those today. (And I have missed a lot this past week.)

To my mind the audits are the last hope for a within-the-system fix to what happened last November. “Within the system” meaning the audits find fraud, the various states decertify the results, and some dang judge rules that Biden must step down and Trump must be installed.

That last step is crucial. The way our system works, “fraud” isn’t a fact until some “competent authority” (i.e., meaning “one that has jurisdiction,” not “one that won’t end up with an ice cream cone on its forehead”) rules it is so. That must happen before the system will accept that the election is vitiated by fraud. No finding of fraud means, as far as they are concerned no fraud, no fraud means nothing vitiated. We sit and fume, because the system has failed.

I’ll leave it to you to decide how likely you think it is that a judge will rule against the Left given the riots that would likely endanger his/her family.

As for the military stepping forward and doing the job instead? Well, that’s technically “outside of the system” and besides…this military, that’s being made woke as we speak?

What do we do in the likely event that fraud is found, but no judge will find it to be “fact” as far as the Federal Government is concerned? I keep hoping someone will come up with a suggestion, and so far “general strike” (H/T Scott) is the only one I’ve seen.

Justice Must Be Done.

The prior election must be acknowledged as fraudulent, and steps must be taken to prosecute the fraudsters and restore integrity to the system. (This doesn’t necessarily include deposing Joe and Hoe and putting Trump where he belongs, but it would certainly be a lot easier to fix our broken electoral system with the right people in charge.)

Nothing else matters at this point. Talking about trying again in 2022 or 2024 is pointless otherwise. Which is not to say one must never talk about this, but rather that one must account for this in ones planning; if fixing the fraud in the system is not part of the plan, you have no plan.

This will necessarily be piecemeal, state by state, which is why I am encouraged by those states working to change their laws to alleviate the fraud both via computer and via bogus voters. If enough states do that we might end up with a working majority in Congress and that would be something Trump never really had.

Lawyer Appeasement Section

OK now for the fine print.

This is the WQTH Daily Thread. You know the drill. There’s no Poltical correctness, but civility is a requirement. There are Important Guidelines,  here, with an addendum on 20191110.

We have a new board – called The U Tree – where people can take each other to the woodshed without fear of censorship or moderation.

And remember Wheatie’s Rules:

1. No food fights
2. No running with scissors.
3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
4. Zeroth rule of gun safety: Don’t let the government get your guns.
5. Rule one of gun safety: The gun is always loaded.
5a. If you actually want the gun to be loaded, like because you’re checking out a bump in the night, then it’s empty.
6. Rule two of gun safety: Never point the gun at anything you’re not willing to destroy.
7. Rule three: Keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire.
8. Rule the fourth: Be sure of your target and what is behind it.

(Hmm a few extras seem to have crept in.)

Spot Prices

Last week:

Gold $1751.20
Silver $22.49
Platinum $986.00
Palladium $2047.00
Rhodium $15,750.00

This week, 3 PM MT on Friday, markets closed for the weekend

Gold $1762.00
Silver $22.65
Platinum $981.00
Palladium $2000.00
Rhodium $14,050.00

Minor shifts in almost everything. Gold and silver up a bit, the PGMs down a bit. I, as always, intend to hold.

Part XX – The Little Neutral One

Let us start off by recapping our list of “as of 1894” mysteries and conservation laws, and bring things up to date including the neutron.

  • Conservation of mass
  • Conservation of momentum
  • Conservation of energy
  • Conservation of electric charge
  • Conservation of angular momentum
  • (ADD:) Conservation of mass-energy

The following mysteries were unanswered at the end of 1894. I’ve crossed out the ones that have been answered up to this installment.

  • Why was the long axis of Mercury’s orbit precessing more than expected, by 43 arcseconds every century? Was it, indeed, a planet even closer to the sun? If so, it’d have been nice to actually see it.
  • Why was Michelson unable to measure any difference in speed of light despite the fact we, being on planet Earth that is orbiting the sun, had to be moving through the medium in which it propagates?
  • What makes the sun (and other stars) shine (beyond the obvious “they shine because they’re hot” answer). What keeps the sun hot, what energy is it harnessing?
  • How did the solar system form? Any answer to this must account for how the planets, only a tiny fraction of the mass of the solar system, ended up with the vast majority of the angular momentum in the system.
  • What is the electrical “fluid” that moves around when there is an electric current, and that somehow seems imbalanced when we perceive that an object has a charge? Were there both negative and positive fluids, or just one fluid that had a natural neutral level; below it was negative (deficit), above it was positive (excess)?
  • Why are there so many different kinds of atoms? How did electrical charges relate to chemistry? How is it that 94 thousand coulombs of charge are needed to bust apart certain molecules (though it often had to be delivered at different voltages depending on the molecule)?
  • Why were the atomic weights almost always a multiple of hydrogen’s? Why was it never quite a perfect multiple? Why was it sometimes nowhere near to being a multiple?
  • Why does the photoelectric effect work the way it does, where it depends on the frequency of the light hitting the object, not the intensity?
  • Why does black body radiation have a “hump” in its frequency graph?

As of 1930, we had a notion of the rough answer to #3, thanks to Arthur Eddington. I hinted at it last time. But details still needed to be worked out.

Number 4 was still a mystery back then, as far as I know.

Recaps and Refreshers

There are some preliminaries to get out of the way here, some of them are refreshers on what came before. Back in part 17, when I told the story of the discovery of the neutron, I brought in the concept of “spin” in regards to electrons and protons. But it’s not spinning like a top, it’s something else, still measured as angular momentum. But apparently one “rotation” doesn’t bring the particle back to where it was before, it’s somehow upside down, and another rotation is needed to get it back to where it was. (Yes, that does not make sense to us here in our macroscopic world.) It takes 720 degrees of rotation, not 360, to put the particle back the way it was. (And yes, that doesn’t make sense.)

As I said, it does get measured in units of angular momentum, and Planck’s constant, h, has the same dimensions as angular momentum. Angular momentum can be thought of in terms of whole revolutions of whatever is spinning, or in rotations through an angle of one radian (which is preferred), so Planck’s constant is often divided by 2π to give a “reduced Planck’s constant” called ℏ (pronounced “h-bar”).

It turns out that electrons and protons have a spin of 1/2ℏ. Physicists will often drop the ℏ and just say that electrons and protons have “spin 1/2”. Two electrons, side by side, might be oriented the same way, or in opposite ways, in which case one of the electrons is assigned +1/2 spin and the other one is “upside down” and has spin -1/2. Similarly for protons. And neutrons. All have +/- 1/2 spins.

Like angular momentum, spin is expected to be conserved, because it is a funky form of angular momentum.

If you have many protons (and neutrons) in a nucleus, the nucleus itself has a total spin, which is just the sum of all those half spins. The combined number of protons and neutrons is the atomic mass number, so for an atom of nitrogen-14, there are seven protons (because it’s nitrogen, and nitrogen by definition has seven protons) and seven neutrons, total 14. So the spins of seven protons and seven neutrons have to be added up. When actually measured, the total spin is 1.

It turns out there’s a rule here: If the mass number is even, the total spin is an integer. If it’s odd, the total spin has a 1/2 (or -1/2) in it. This makes sense, if you think about it. You can go through the protons and neutrons in a nucleus and group them, arbitrarily into pairs. Each pair will consist of two +1/2 spins (total 1), a +1/2 and a -1/2 spin (total 0), or two -1/2 spins (total -1). And it doesn’t matter which protons and neutrons you arbitrarily choose to pair together. The result is that all of the pairs put together will make up a whole number spin since you’re adding 1s, 0s, and -1s. So if the nucleus has an even mass number, its spin is the sum of a bunch of pairs of nucleons and will be an integer. If it has an odd mass number, there will be one proton (or neutron) left over after you make up your pairs, again no matter which pairings you use, you have one left over. It will have spin -1/2 or +1/2, so you’ll end up adding or subtracting 1/2 from the integer spin you get from the pairs. In general, a spin with a 1/2 in it is called a half-integer spin, because when you double it, you get an integer.

Before the discovery of the neutron in 1932, there was an idea that a nucleus consisted of protons–as many as the mass number–and some electrons to cancel the charges on some protons. So the nitrogen-14 nucleus would have 14 protons and 7 electrons, leaving a total charge of 7, and that total charge made it a nitrogen nucleus. On one level (considering electrical charge) this makes sense, but it turns out to make no sense at all when considering spin. That (hypothetical) nucleus would have 21 particles in it, all with half spins (remember that electrons too have a half spin), so it should have a total spin with a 1/2 in it, a half integer spin. Yet the nitrogen-14 nucleus, as I mentioned earlier, had a measured spin of 1. That was a powerful argument used as support for the existence of a hypothetical “neutron” and indeed the discovery of the neutron made the math work out; now there were an even number of particles in the nucleus so it could have an integer total spin. However, as we shall see below, this solved one problem but left another problem in place.

When the anti-electron or positron was discovered, it turned out to have the opposite spin of an electron. Even when oriented the same way as an electron, its spin was -1/2 compared to the electron’s 1/2. And this is true of anti-protons and anti-neutrons as well; in fact the difference in spin is the only obvious difference between a neutron and an anti-neutron (but it’s enough!).

In 1925, Wolfgang Pauli enunciated the “Pauli exclusion principle.” At first he applied it only to electrons, but in 1940 it was generalized to all particles with half-integer spins. In short, it states that no two such particles can occupy the same quantum state. An example of this is the lowest energy level of an atom, the “1s” orbital. An electron in that orbital is in a certain quantum state. But spin is part of the quantum state, so you can put a second electron in that orbital, so long as it’s oriented the other way and has spin -1/2. But after that, no more. You have to put a third and fourth electron in the “2s” orbital, then six subsequent electrons into the three “2p” oribtals (two each), and so on. (This is why the periodic table “rows” (or periods) all have even numbers of elements in them; if you subdivide them into blocks corresponding to the s, p, and d orbitals, those blocks also each have even numbers of elements in them.)

This is fundamentally the reason why two material objects can’t be in the same place at the same time. They’re made up of electrons, protons, and neutrons with half spins.

This principle does not apply to particles with integer spins, like photons (spin 0). Photons can pile onto the same quantum state by the billions, and it’s no problem. That’s very “non-matter” behavior, and indeed photons aren’t considered to be “matter” as we know it. They can occupy the same place at the same time, and often do. Beams of light can cross through each other without a problem.

Eventually, the name “fermion” (for Enrico Fermi) was given to all half-integer spin particles as a class, and “boson” (For Satyendra Nath Bose) to particles with integer spin.

OK, that’s enough about spin (for now).

I’ve also already told the story of how physicists had discovered the “Strong Nuclear Force,” often just called the Strong force. It’s responsible for keeping nuclei together, and when it’s just not strong enough to do the job, you get alpha decay, where the nucleus ejects an alpha particle (after 1932, known to consist of two protons and two neutrons), total four mass units. When this happens to a uranium-238 atom, it becomes a thorium-234 atom; four mass units less. And the charge has decreased by two, from 92 (uranium) to 90 (thorium).

It was beginning to look, by the way, as if the total number of nucleons (be they protons or neutrons) was something that was conserved, a new conservation law. Eventually this would be called “conservation of baryon number” (other similar particles would be discovered after 1950, they ware all called baryons). Protons and neutrons each had a baryon number of 1. The only way to wipe them completely out was to hit them with antimatter, but the antimatter was regarded as having negative baryon numbers, an anti-proton or anti-neutron had baryon number of -1. So proton-anti-proton annihilation took a +1 and -1 and turned them into zero. Nice and tidy.

Beta Decay Spells Doom?

But there was another kind of radioactive decay, beta decay.

And it was causing headaches for physicists.

As a reminder, this is when a nucleus spits out an electron. The charge of the nucleus goes up by one, but its mass number stays the same. For example, that thorium-234 atom undergoes beta decay to become protactinium-234. Same mass number, but the charge has changed from 90 (thorium) to 91 (protactinium). That process repeats to get you to uranium-234.

The old notion of the nucleus as consisting of one proton per mass number, counterbalanced partially by electrons, seemed plausible because of this. One of those electrons could be kicked out, “uncovering” a proton and increasing the charge. But as I described above, this notion of electrons in the nucleus left an issue with spin. This was solved with the discovery that the nucleus in fact contained protons and neutrons, and no electrons, but there was still a problem with beta decay.

That thorium-234 nucleus has to have an integer spin (just like the nitrogen-14 nucleus) because 234 is an even number, and the discovery of the neutron explained why. (According to wikipedia the spin happens to be 0.) The resulting protactinium-234 nucleus similarly has to have an integer spin (also happening to be zero). But in moving from thorium-234 to protactinium-234, an electron was ejected; it has a spin of 1/2. Shouldn’t the resulting nucleus have a half spin as well?

It doesn’t. So it appears that beta decay violates conservation of angular momentum.

Another issue popped up when energy was measured. With alpha decay, the masses (considered as their energy equivalents) and kinetic energy of the particles before and after the event balanced, once you added everything up, including the recoil of the nucleus like a rifle firing a bullet.

With beta decay, some of the energy disappeared. The energy of the nucleus (including its recoil) plus the kinetic energy of the electron, did not add up to what was there before. There was always some missing energy, but the amount could vary from very tiny to most of it.

This of course looked very much like a violation of mass/energy conservation.

[I’ll pause here to note that physicists typically simply speak of “energy conservation”, not “mass/energy conservation” because they consider matter to just be another form of energy; so a change in mass of a nucleus due to binding energy and so forth, is just another change of energy to them. I’m going to follow that convention from here on out.]

Yet another issue was noted when the recoil of beta decay was considered. With alpha decay, the alpha particle and nucleus recoiled in exactly opposite directions, much like a cannon firing a cannonball is shoved back in the opposite direction. The two new momenta (a relatively light alpha particle traveling quickly, versus a relatively heavy nucleus traveling in the opposite direction slowly) cancel out, leaving the total momentum unchanged.

But with beta decay, the recoil was not in the opposite direction from the velocity of the beta particle that was ejected. If the two directions aren’t opposite one another they cannot cancel completely–there’ll be some slight motion to the side left over–so there’s some “new” momentum where there had been none before.

And this looks a lot like a violation of the conservation of momentum.

So beta decay broke not just one, but THREE conservation principles!

Oh, dear.

This was hard to stomach. Sure, these conservation principles are generalizations. We see them work all the time without fail, but there’s always a smidgen of a chance that we’ll discover that they don’t really hold true. After all, we had once had conservation of mass, and conservation of energy, but then realized they weren’t true after all. But in that case, they were still true afterwards when combined into the conservation of mass/energy (or conservation of energy could be kept if mass was simply regarded as another form of energy, but that still involved “scratching” conservation of mass).

But three such violations at once was hard to believe.

At least, baryon number was safe.

And the problem persisted in 1934, when a second form of beta decay was discovered as part of the discovery of antimatter. A phosphorus-30 nucleus (one which does not exist in nature) would decay by spitting out a positron not an electron. It would end up moving to the left on the periodic table (because a proton had turned into a neutron) and become a nucleus of silicon-30, which is stable. This new mode of decay is now known as beta-plus or beta-positive decay, and it suffered from the same issues with conservation of angular momentum, energy, and momentum.

There was another violation on top of all of these but one much less troublesome. It had been suggested that the total number of electrons was fixed. Before the neutron was discovered, back when the nucleus was thought to contain protons and electrons, beta decay was just considered ejecting a pre-existing electron from a nucleus, so it wasn’t unreasonable to think that there might be some law conserving electrons. So we never saw electrons being created from nothing. But with the new understanding, beta decay consisted of a neutron turning into a proton and ejecting a brand-spanking, made-from-nothing electron. And beta positive decay transformed a neutron to a proton, creating a positron from nothing. So conservation of electrons, never very well established to begin with, seemed to have been scotched.

Wolfgang Pauli (of the Pauli exclusion principle) pondered this problem and realized there might be a way to rescue all of these conservation numbers. He wrote a very famous letter in 1930 (two years before the discovery of the neutron), in which he suggested there might be a totally new particle, one that was very light (lighter than the electron) and had no charge. As such it would be very difficult to detect.

This could solve all of these problems and save all of the conservation laws.

The spin issue could be solved by positing that the particle had the opposite spin as the electron (or positron), so that the two ejected particles together added up to zero spin, so the nucleus didn’t have to have a spin change at all in order to comply with conservation of angular momentum.

If the new particle carried away some of the energy, it would cover the “missing energy” that seemed to suggest a violation of conservation of energy.

And if beta decay resulted in three entities, not just two, then any two of them could move in directions not opposite each other, with the third particle serving to cancel the sideways momentum.

Pauli named his proposed particle the neutron. (Remember this was two years before Chadwick detected “the” neutron, and the name wasn’t taken yet.) Enrico Fermi, the next year, renamed the hypothetical particle the neutrino, This is Italian for “little neutral one,” as opposed to the big neutral one, the expected but still undiscovered neutron we know today.

And in 1933 Fermi proposed a new force, the weak nuclear force (to contrast it from the strong nuclear force). This force would cause a neutron to turn into a proton, neutrino, and electron, or alternatively a proton to turn into a neutron, neutrino and positron. In other words, it would be the force that governs beta decay–both kinds of beta decay.

In fact if we assume that there are also anti-neutrinos, we can even create a new conservation law from the ashes of the conservation of electrons. If we classify electrons and neutrinos as “leptons,” then a hypothetical “conservation of lepton number” might work better.

“Regular” beta decay, then, would turn a neutron into a proton, electron, and an anti-neutrino. Baryon number is preserved (neutron +1, proton +1, electron and anti-neutrino both 0), and the new lepton number is too; no leptons before the decay balances with the situation after the decay where there is one electron (+1 lepton) and one anti-neutrino (-1 lepton). Beta plus decay spits out a positron; to balance this anti-lepton we need a neutrino lepton.

This is very tidy. Not only are the three old conservation laws saved, a new one is created. It must have been very tempting to just assume it’s true. But it’s not enough.

We need to find the particle.

The neutron, after all had been a suggestion that would solve a lot of problems, but few were willing to take its existence on faith. Fortunately it was found, fairly quickly.

But this particle was going to be a cast-iron bitch to find. Because it didn’t have an electric charge, so it wouldn’t interact with the electromagnetic force. And it, like the electron, wouldn’t be affected by the strong force. It could only “feel” the weak nuclear force. (Just forget about gravity, it’s so weak.)

The weak force has a very, very short range. In fact, now we know its range is less than a tenth the diameter of a proton. So the only way a neutrino could interact at all is when it is directly in contact with a nucleus.

Remember that a nucleus is about 1/10,000 the width of an atom, so even with solid matter like lead, only 1/10,000 x 1/10,000 x 1/10,000 or one trillionth of the space is actually nuclei. So a neutrino, travelling through a block of solid lead at pretty basically the speed of light, is only in contact with a nucleus one trillionth of the time. So, only a trillionth of the time could it interact with a proton or neutron. So for some reaction that has a half life of (say) 1/10,000th of a second, the neutrino would have to spend 100,000,000 seconds travelling through the lead before it had a fifty percent chance of interacting one of the lead nuclei. That works out to be about three years. In those three years about half of the neutrines will have traveled three light years, or basically 18 trillion miles, and come out the other side, intact.

It’s a common trope that neutrinos will pass through light years of solid lead (if you could arrange for that to be set up) without interacting, and this is basically why. They need to spend a fairly long time (1/10,000 of a second is an eternity inside a nucleus) near very small things and they’re buzzing along at the speed of light. More realistically, the vast majority of neutrinos would simply drill right through the earth without affecting it. In fact, sixty five billion neutrinos pass through every square centimeter of the arth every second, and no one notices. More to the point, that many neutrinos also pass through every square centimeter of you every second, and you don’t notice, because they pass through, and don’t get stopped by your body.

The first detection was actually of antineutrinos generated in a nuclear reactor by the huge number of beta decays occuring in the reactor core.

When a an antineutrino does condescend to react with a proton, the proton becomes a neutron and a positron is spat out; it’s basically anti-neutrino induced beta decay, except that this decay absorbs an antineutrino instead of creating a neutrino (the books balance either way). And this was how neutrinos were eventually detected…in 1956.

Clyde Cowan, Frederick Reines, Francis B. Harrison, Herald W. Kruse and Austin D. McGuire did this by parking their apparatus–which largely consisted of large tanks of water–near a nuclear reactor, which generates a lot of antineutrinos, then waited for the tiny fraction of them that would interact with their detector. The reaction, as noted turned a proton into a neutron and spits out a positron; the positron finds an electron and mutually annihilates it, generating two gamma rays. If the nucleus hit is one of the hydrogen atoms in a water molecule, it turns from a single proton to a single neutron, which will wander off until it hits a nucleus and is absorbed–in this case cadmium was used since it absorbs neutrons readily. When this happens the neutron also generates a gamma ray. By watching for both of these events, two gamma rays from the electron-positron annihilation followed shortly after by a different-strength gamma ray from the neutron absorption, the experimenters could see that the signal matched the profile of the reaction and conclude a neutrino had hit a proton.

Even though ten trillion neutrinos passed through every square centimeter of the detector every second, only about three neutrino events per hour were detected. And just to prove that it was neutrinos from the reactor, they shut the reactor off and continued monitoring the detectors, and noticed a drop in the number of events.

But the actual detection of neutrinos (well, actually, antineutrinos) is getting ahead of our story.

Next time we’ll tackle Mystery Number 3.

Obligatory PSAs and Reminders

China is Lower than Whale Shit

To conclude: My standard Public Service Announcement. We don’t want to forget this!!!

Remember Hong Kong!!!

If anyone ends up in the cell right next to him, tell him I said “hi.”

中国是个混蛋 !!!
Zhōngguò shì gè hùndàn !!!
China is asshoe !!!

China is in the White House

Since Wednesday, January 20 at Noon EST, the bought-and-paid for Joseph Biden has been in the White House. It’s as good as having China in the Oval Office.

Joe Biden is Asshoe

China is in the White House, because Joe Biden is in the White House, and Joe Biden is identically equal to China. China is Asshoe. Therefore, Joe Biden is Asshoe.

But of course the much more important thing to realize:

Joe Biden Didn’t Win

乔*拜登没赢 !!!
Qiáo Bài dēng méi yíng !!!
Joe Biden didn’t win !!!

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rayzorback

Maybe someone will notice my comment now?

Since I appear to be first today.

Last edited 1 year ago by rayzorback
cthulhu

How are you doing? Any residual symptoms?

rayzorback

Corona 1st…
Sciatica next….
Numb Knee (just getting over that)
Sore Heel (Probably from favoring the leg with Sciatica)
High Medical Bills from all of the above 🙂

cthulhu

Y’know, I’d bet that numb knee and sore heel would feel markedly better after kicking the ever-lovin’ cr*p out of some bureaucratic medical executive…..

rayzorback

lol…. I saw that they were LIARS when I was in THEIR offices.

Evidenced by the “Nurses” that had a clue and steered me towards Ivermectin

Linda

Wow, good for those nurses! Too many are simply following the narrative.

rayzorback

I think you have a GREAT point here 🙂

mollypitcher5

Good on the recoveries..bad on lingering probs.

Sometimes I feel like we’re the only ones that still a) have bills or b) care that we have bills. It seems like so many have free everything.

wheatietoo

Hi Rayzor,
 😍  👋 

Sorry you’ve been having to deal with all that misery!
 😧 
Hope you continue on the road to recovery and get better real soon!

rayzorback

Thanks…. Things ARE looking up… I’m getting better by the day.

gil00

You should be nuce and healthy ti fight off flu season…😉

rayzorback

lol… seems so. I have the tan for it 🙂

bflyjesusgrl 🍊 😎NUCLEAR MAGA😎

👋 👋 Hey Ray 👋👋

Concerned Virginian

rayzorback
Good to hear from you! Thank heavens the ‘rona is gone.
Sorry about the Sciatica and the other issues.
Hang in there.

rayzorback

Thanks, American Patriots can … and do…. whatever it takes to get through.
Or we don’t and go to a better place 🙂

wowohwow1528

…. 😃🤚‼️❤️‼️ … 😉

pgroup2

Well, … would you like a nice fed Notice to Appear? In a faraway city?

Count your blessings, boy.  😂 

rayzorback

More uncalled for Bullshit!
Expected. Boy?

cthulhu

There Ain’t No Justice!!!!

–little fish

cthulhu

Any word about bakocarl???

phoenixrising

just posted update

cthulhu

TY!!!

phoenixrising

so very welcome…

bflyjesusgrl 🍊 😎NUCLEAR MAGA😎

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cthulhu

With all the Sturm and Drang in the markets, I am seeing a whole lot of “Meh.” from metals.

phoenixrising

Carl has an update after his procedure today:

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bakocarl
October 2, 2021 at 12:03 am

Update 4 –

We got our Kleen Kovid Klearances in the nick of time. Evelyn finally got hers at 0610 this morning and we left at 0615 for the hospital in Las Vegas.

We found out that the deliberate blockage of the left internal iliac artery (IIA) wasn’t to facilitate the operation, but would be a permanent blockage because blood flow through the left IIA endangered the integrity of the stent sheath repair to the aneurysm. However, the surgeon assured me that blood flow from a healthy right internal iliac artery would provide ample blood flow to the effected pelvic and buttocks areas. So, with a big gulp, we proceeded.

The two-hour procedure only required a local anesthetic at the site of the femoral artery and a light sedative for me . . . they wanted me awake for some reason.

All went well with the procedure and the light sedative was absolutely wonderful, making me feel all warm, comfy and pain free throughout the procedure.

The worst thing was the utter boredom for 12 hours, minus the 2 hours of warm and comfy during the procedure. I was thrust a bit further down the road to completely nutso.
In about two weeks, after my kidneys have removed the iodine contrast from my system, I’ll get the endovascular abdominal aneurysm stent graft repair . . . under a general anesthesia (yippee), but will have to remain in the hospital at least overnight (Boooo! Hissss!) . . . but that hospital has full Wi-fi (Yaaay!).

So, onward and upward . . . time will tell.

Let God’s will be done!

cthulhu

YAY!!!!

bflyjesusgrl 🍊 😎NUCLEAR MAGA😎

Praise God! 🙏 So glad to hear your doing well Carl. ❤❤❤

Linda

Thank God! That’s great news.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

WOW! Hallelujah!

Concerned Virginian

bakocarl
So good to hear this update!

Grandmaintexas

God keep you perfectly through the next procedure and may rapid healing commence!

bflyjesusgrl 🍊 😎NUCLEAR MAGA😎

Amen.

Brave and Free

Great news Brother!

wowohwow1528

Yay‼️Yay‼️Yay‼️ ….. ❤️‼️ ..

ForGodandCountry

Ha!

Someone tell me the power of prayer and the Lord Almighty isn’t real.

Thank you, Holy Father. Thine is the glory!

Aubergine

Good news! So happy to hear it. Blessings, Carl.

cthulhu

Side note for Steve:

arth

So if you branded cattle with ℏh, that would be the “h bar h ranch”?

Send in the neutrines!

bflyjesusgrl 🍊 😎NUCLEAR MAGA😎

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cthulhu

Those are both great!

scott467

She certainly is! 👍😁

cthulhu

Many a man in love with a dimple makes the mistake of marrying the
whole girl.
      — Stephen Leacock

JW in Germany

Dimple? Oh now I see it! 😉

kalbokalbs

Fixated on the projecting, FJB.

Lemme go back for the dimples and…

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mollypitcher5

A question for anyone who had the virus with the no taste/smell symptom.

What was that like ? Simply no smell or taste or did anyone have a strange taste in mouth while drinking or eating ?

I have had some headache, fatigue…generally feeling kind of odd. I upped the supplement regime and felt normal but today I had the most awful taste while eating or drinking. Even water tasted punk. Thought it was old ice, got new. Only used water from the purified cooler thing…………still icky. Orange juice..ick. Iced tea..urp.

Does that sound familiar to anybody ?

rayzorback

I will Testify about my experience….

YES!
Things smelled AND tasted Putrid for a couple of weeks.

It was towards the end of my experience with the “Rona”.

Hope this helps.

I credit Ivermectin, Zinc and Vitamins C and D for my recovery.

I now have antibodies and am STILL a “Pureblood” 🙂

cthulhu

Ready to star in a “Horry Patter” book: “Rayzorback and the Pureblood Curmudgeon.”

mollypitcher5

Thanks a lot for telling me about your experience.

I never got any ivermectin so…will have to hope the OTC stuff helps. Might not even be the Rona but it’s weird.

Linda

Molly, there are still a few places you can get livestock Ivermectin fairly quickly. Upco.com is one. They have the injectible, that you just add to liquid. Amazon still has the paste. Either will work just as well as the tablets and you can have them in a few days.

mollypitcher5

Gulp !! I’ll order the paste , maybe it ‘ll come quickly.
Should’ve done it a few weeks ago when I was thinking about it

Linda

Yes, please do. I had COVID before the big hoopla about it and before anyone knew how to treat it. So I basically didn’t know about quercetin or green tea with zinc or anything else, though I always take plenty of C and D3. Those things plus ivermectin would have made the whole ordeal a lot easier. I was sick a good 3 weeks and lost my sense of taste/smell for well over a month.

mollypitcher5

Oh…that’s a rough one. Glad you finally got over it.
I thought that I had it already too…but don’t know.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

The antigen tests ($25 for a 2-pack at CVS) are really accurate, and if you’re tasting and smelling funkiness, then the test will show positive if you’ve got COVID-19.

Some other coronas affect taste and smell, too, but the test won’t flag them.

RF121

Antigens will fade however. I believe after 8 weeks pretty much gone. They say the T cell test will work if you had covid a long time ago. It is expensive but I am trying it out. Will update when I get results.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

You’re thinking ANTIBODY tests, and YES, the antibodies will fade, but that is a different test.

ANTIGEN means COVID proteins – and specifically the ones that can be picked up in the cells, mucosa, saliva, etc.

BinaxNOW test uses the nucleocapsid protein. The test looks for levels of the protein that are HIGHER than a certain amount – and thus consistent with active infection – NOT lower levels like in people who are simply inhaling COVID dead virus and dust, or people who are recovering.

RF121

Do you need the swab up to the brain or does spit work?

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

It’s actually in between.

With BinaxNow and tests like it, you stick a shorter swab roughly 1/2 to 3/4 inch up the nose, so it’s not even as far as the bridge.

QUOTE:

To collect a nasal swab sample, carefully insert the entire absorbent tip of the swab (usually ½ to ¾ of an inch (1 to 1.5 cm) into the nostril. Firmly sample the nasal wall by rotating the swab in a circular path against the nasal wall 5 times or more for a total of 15 seconds, then slowly remove from the nostril. Using the same swab, repeat sample collection in the other nostril.

https://www.fda.gov/media/141570/download

Cuppa Covfefe

The antibiotic Ciprofloxacin has loss of smell as a rare side-effect (along with some VERY gnarly other side-effects). I’ll take losing smell over popped ligaments (one of those side-effects) any day, though…

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singingsoul1

I had it also before everyone knew anything. I took lots of Vitamin C and in my eye meds I have Zinc and drank green tea. The cough hung on a long time. Something I did right that I am still kicking 🙂

scott467

“Gulp !! I’ll order the paste , maybe it ‘ll come quickly.”

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Hopefully next day delivery option is available. I’m sure that will cost extra, but worth it 👍

TradeBait2

Tractor Supply still has it around here at times. It works fine. Been using it as a prophylactic, but I’ve noticed a little improvement in respiratory function even from fall allergy problems.

Brave and Free

Thanks for the info Linda. 👍
My other opportunities dried up in shipping 🤔

rayzorback

Check your local feed stores and co-op’s

scott467

“I now have antibodies and am STILL a “Pureblood””

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100% pure old fashioned homegrown human, born free, right here in the real world 👍😁

rayzorback

… As in the days of Noah….

Some believe that at that time, mankind was so genetically corrupted that Noah and his family were the only “Purebloods” left on earth.

Cuppa Covfefe

Looks like Coudenhove-Kalergi (what Merde-Kuh’s trying to implement) was “alive” and kicking even back then… reversing GOD’S judgement on the Tower of Babel (or, rather, attempting to…)…..

cthulhu

You got HCQ or ivermectin? If so, it’s time.

mollypitcher5

Don’t have either of them. Hoping for the best * if* I do have it.

bflyjesusgrl 🍊 😎NUCLEAR MAGA😎

Load up on C, D, Zinc. Take Quercitin, Selenium, Melatonin, Green Tea, Antihistamine, Turmeric

My 17yr old nephew said he lost taste/smell, took nothing.

mollypitcher5

have all of those except the antihistamine, will get that tomorrow.

I also read another good thing to take is kefir. Duh, can’t remember what it supposedly does but going to get that tomorrow too

cthulhu

The antihistamine should be generic zyrtec or claritin, and the protocol looked like your first dose should be 2x the dose on the box (but verify!).

singingsoul1

Why generic? Any reason?

cthulhu
  1. Cheap.
  2. The paper described them by the active ingredient and did not mention the commercial preparations.
singingsoul1

OK Thanks 🙂

singingsoul1

Kefir or yogurt and Israeli study shows beneficial.
I also took one aspirin.

singingsoul1

I do the regiment you described. I ordered from Dr Zelenko.
Antihistamine works with the vitamins for me. I never took Antihistamines before. Something is floating around had for 3 days sinus problems headache strange taste. Took vitamins doubled D3 bone broth, green tea and slept a lot. Feel way better today.
It is good to be in tune with the body.

cthulhu

IIRC, you’re essentially in the Jefferson area of CA. You may be able to get a script from an online doctor and get IVM from a local pharmacy by tomorrow afternoon. The window for HCQ is probably closing.

What’s your regimen looking like? And which decade are you in?

If I had that symptom, I’d be at 250mcg D, 2000mg C, regular Zn, regular (for me) Se, 2x500mg Quercetin….and IVM.

Anyone nearby? I can see it now — meet at a city park, on a park bench, wrapped up in bogus PPE and disguises. “Life is short.” “But the years are long.” “Not while the evil days come not.” “*polishing fingerprints* Here’s the tube — I was never here.” “Found it on this park bench.” “Good luck.”

mollypitcher5

Hahah you crack me up sometimes.

No, I’m down in So Cal . I could check the local feed place (never actually been in there but know where it is)…the next burg over is rural/horsey

cthulhu

Hopefully, you have someone to run errands for you. If you get the right stuff, you can bounce out of this in a few days. If it gets bad enough that you have to go into a hospital, the bureaucrats get to decide whether you live or die and how unpleasant it will be either way.

mollypitcher5

I just remembered that I had a home test unit here. In 15 minutes it’s supposed to detect it or not.

At 11:30 pacific time…I’ll know !

cthulhu

I’m not sure if I’d believe any test any more than a coin flip. Elon Musk famously took four tests in one day administered by nurses and got 2+ / 2-.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Those were PCR. The antigen tests are solid!

cthulhu

They were solid. A politicized FDA and CDC corrupt anything they touch. The first ten on the gallows will be a down payment on my trusting ANY American medicine again.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

This is all-or-nothing thinking – you’re hanging out with Scott too much. 😉

CDC fucked up PCR even more than it was already fucked up as a technology. Antigen is solid and it’s the WAY OUT OF THE MESS.

It was ALWAYS the way out of the mess.

They SHOULD have used antigen tests from the beginning. THAT is exactly how CDC and China fooled us all. And THAT is why they killed Kary Mullis, I’m positive.

He could have instantly explained why we needed antigen tests right away, and why PCR was bullshit. But PCR wins elections – antigen does NOT.

Don’t equate the two – if you do, you only help the other side.

BinaxNOW and tests like it are generally hard to game. They are NOT overly sensitive, because they have a good design, IMO.

And that’s why they realized in Canada that antigen tests were giving THE PEOPLE too much information, so they’re restricting them.

EVIL.

Don’t help the other side. ANTIGEN TESTS will help us see clearly.

Cuppa Covfefe

Great Scott!!!!! 🙂 I always trusted my Auntie Jen… (anything other than those tickle-the-brain tests…)….
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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

LOL!!!

I may have to borrow this – for a completely different reason!!!

mollypitcher5

yahoo…according to this home jobber I don’t have it.

Still doesn’t explain my strange symptoms so I’ll go ahead and still take all my OTC things.

Thank you very much everybody for riding along on the Molly hypochondria train !

cthulhu

It’s not hypochondria if you really have it…..and I wouldn’t trust a test more than a coin flip.

mollypitcher5

Right but you know the old mind over matter adage….but I will proceed as if I do have it…but for sure not googling what other conditions or diseases can produce the symptoms…lol…that’s where the hypochondriac paranoia can really set in !

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Other coronas can affect taste/smell.

They have their own spike proteins.

cthulhu

But, so far as I know, all are vulnerable to the same protocols.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Very likely so, although if a mutation affects an actual active site (e.g., where the Pfizer inhibitor binds), then there may be a difference in susceptibility.

prognosticatasaurusrex

The mutations are inevitable with the “vaccines” and even herd immunity. mutations from the original would likely be good as the mutates in each generation are likely weaker, less transmissible than the original.

Unless of course new vaccines produce new versions resistant to immunities. Versions created and ready to be introduced by the very “vaccines” that are meant to STOP the virus. They would not do that would they? OF COURSE they would there is SOME reason to PUSH those vaccines SO hard. IE MONEY. creating a never ending supply of viruses AND dependability on “vaccines”

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yup. Pfizer is an ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE.

prognosticatasaurusrex

Makes me wonder just what Mercks play is here. If as I suspect it is to cash in on the success of Ivermectin, it will gut the Pfizer, J&J and Moderna “vaccine” monopolies, while “repurposing” an OLD product into new more expensive packaging. Making Merck a MINT while crushing the rest.

The questions are will the others allow this?
Will the others produce like generics?
Will the others use lobbys and Fauci to CRUSH Merck?

IF Merck is allowed to bring this to market, it is my guess the JIG is up on the “vaccines”, and they cannot hide the truth from the world much longer. BUT, they ALL want to cash in on Covid some more.

An old friend once said “There is NO money in the cure, the money is in the DISEASE,”

I never believed him. I always thought there would be a clamor to find the cure, that there were STILL going to be REAL Dr.s, researchers, etc that would “do the right thing” He was right, Covid proved it. What ELSE have we the cure for that has been held back?

I guess Saulk was the LAST real researcher who cared more about saving lives than MONEY. I am ashamed to work in the place I do anymore.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yes on chemical therapeutics, NO on many antibodies, and most definitely NO on vaccines – and yet THAT is what we pursued with such determination, and yet so wrongly.

prognosticatasaurusrex

Curious what happened to all those flu case from 2019 isn’t it. 39 million to 2176 in 2020. LOL coincidentally there are a reported 39 million or so Covid 19 cases in 2020-21.

The PCR test is a SHAM. Covid 19 is and was nothing more than the regular flu weaponized to make it more easily transmissible.

The hype machine and BAD actors with BAD protocols and suppressed therapeutics and BAD polices like ignoring herd immunity and doing EVERYTHING opposite of modern medical practices did the rest…OH and giving the hyped scam its own high dollar money billing code was the grease that moved this skid throughout the healthcare system.

Covid is a cash COW for people that need the money.

Question. IF Covid is SO bad and overwhelming the hospitals SO much, WHY introduce a huge amount of illegals and refugees into the system that come from places with little to NO healthcare and rampant old world diseases with NO mandates for masks or vaccines for them, while at the same time FIRING thousands of healthcare workers for NOT taking the death jab leaving a huge void? Perhaps trying to maker a self fulfilling prophecy of “overwhelmed” hospitals.

What happens when even THAT dose not produce the desired result?

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

If symptoms continue, give yourself another antigen test in a day or two.

Antigen tests are solid, but sometimes the PEAK viral load lags by a day or two.

The bad beauty of the spike is that if your viral load INCREASES now, you will have more symptoms, and you will also have correpondingly more nucleocapsid, and you will test positive.

If you DON’T have symptoms, then you don’t need to waste another test.

And I will say right here that anybody who says antigen is a coin flip is WRONG. I was an early advocate for antigen tests and backed the doctors who were promoting them. The MATH behind them is SOLID, unlike PCR.

para59r

Something to consider.
https://rumble.com/embed/vjgie1/?pub=4
Stew Peters and Judy Michovits (sic) She talked about shedding and how it was just the spike proteins that were passed and how it wasn’t picked up on tests? Short segment. She gave solutions, but talked very fast.

para59r

If your going for the 1.87% paste you don’t want the Gold or Plus. Just the basic DuraMectin or other durvet. with Antheiminitc and Boticide, nothing else.

slowcreekno

I never lost the sense of smell completely, but for a long time, many things had a kind of burnt smell instead of the original. Even things like eggs, vinegar, windshield-fluid, alcohol, and lemon. More this generic burnt smell than the characteristic smell that they actually had. It has slowly corrected itself. I still have occasional «bad days» where the distortion has returned, briefly, but these are further and further apart.

mollypitcher5

Very strange…very.
Evil alliance setting this virus off into the public to usher in the new communism brand.

Valerie Curren

I think the smell/taste thing kind of changes over time. For the longest time it was hard to taste/smell almost anything. Then some tastebuds/scent-receptors seemed to partially come back “online”. Nothing is completely restored now nearly a year since we were sick. My husband still hates the scent of his favorite cologne. Unfortunately our ability to smell bathroom scents has mostly come back 🙁 The lack of that capacity made for slightly more harmonious domestic tranquility 😉

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

LOL!!!

Valerie Curren

Yeah there was the day at my husband’s work where there were sewer issues & all his co-workers were bumming but he & our son were entirely oblivious in their post-covid states. Like my poor color-blind co-worker that we used to tease about having mismatched blue & black socks, which were actually matched, but it was just too much fun to yank his chain & he was such a good sport. We worked in a federal program & he shared his terms for various types of welfare, these I still remember:

Gravy for Granny
Bucks for *****

Valerie Curren

Nice!

Deplorable Patriot

Everything was awful with the second one.

My first time through, just smell disappeared.

singingsoul1

Yes that is what it feels like.

bflyjesusgrl 🍊 😎NUCLEAR MAGA😎

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mollypitcher5

I truly believe she’s right

TheseTruths

IMO, we passed the point of reconciliation with the Left many years ago. You can’t reconcile with the enemy; you must defeat it.

I understand what Candace is saying, but we can’t cede certain states to them. This is the United States of America, with a Constitution and founding documents that are antithetical to what the Left believes and wants. They don’t get to take parts of the USA. They need to be defeated and/or leave if they want to be socialists/communists/globalists.

We have some mechanisms in place to stop this, like the oaths of office that people take to protect and defend the Constitution. When they violate that, no one does anything. We could start right there and clean up a lot of the mess.

cthulhu

I think we should look into ceding certain counties, rather than states.

Linda

We could just get rid of all the major metro areas and let them figure out how to get food. They think it grows in grocery stores.

mollypitcher5

  :wpds_twisted: So true !

cthulhu

[*Ahem* — pretty much the same thing.]

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RedLegLeader68

Agree, but my only quibble with this map is how many of the blue areas are actually stolen blue areas based on the machines?

Askin’ for a friend … 😉

eilert

Is this the fake one from last year?

BillBeakman

Food “grows in grocery stores” or some may ever expand that to warehouses & “fulfillment centers.” 🤪

Cuppa Covfefe

For those who remember the SF Bay Area in the 60s,

“Farms? In Berkeley? MOOOOOOOOOO!!! ”

(Old Berkeley Farms radio ad, on KSFO and other bay area radio stations, KNBR, KCBS, KNEW, KKHI, KDFC, KIBE, KYA, KEEN, and others)… (not sure if KABL or KFAT had the ad 🙂 )…..

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Ozzytrumpster

Prisons

bflyjesusgrl 🍊 😎NUCLEAR MAGA😎

First, we have to get the power back AND punish the crimes. ENFORCE THE LAW, what a concept!

scott467

Had the power for four years.

Didn’t punish anyone.

Not even a little.

Except patriots.

Punished us all the day long.

bflyjesusgrl 🍊 😎NUCLEAR MAGA😎

We didn’t have the power for 4 years, the SWAMP did.

BillBeakman

Thank you!

TradeBait2

I agree. Even PDT knew his limitations of power within the DS. Which is the point. He and We the People only appeared to have the power for a short time. We now see up close and personal that he and We did not. Which is PDT’s point and why they hate him and us so much. We the People are awake. The core MAGA’s know the truth now. Our children and children’s children are being taught to never believe what the government says and does as well as the schools teach them without evidence. So what do we do with the knowledge?

You cannot effect lasting change if what you are led to believe to be true is just a huge deception like 45’s term ended up being. The NWO can basically overturn everything he accomplished. For now, I will celebrate the battle victory of my beloved East TN landing the headquarters of Smith & Wesson as they vacate the crap political state of Massachusetts, which no longer reps the Constitution and America that its founders fought and died to build. It will be 20 minutes away from me, so pass the ammo.

para59r

Saw that.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/10/leading-gun-manufacturer-smith-wesson-moving-headquarters-massachusetts-tennessee/

Congratulations!
Springfield MA. no longer deserves them even if they are my hometown.

Emeraldstar

>>”the crap political state of Massachusetts, which no longer reps the Constitution and America that its founders fought and died to build.”<<

Like too many other States, “Commie-chusetts” has lost the plot, and its power resides way too much in the cities – Boston especially.

For decades, any “Republican” politico has been a de facto Dem – “RINO” isn’t a strong enough term.

Bill Weld? Mitt Romney??? Puh-lease!

It’s a disgrace.

The only ray of hope I’ve seen in decades is Dr. Shiva, who has had a series of wins with his lawsuit. The AG, Maura Healy, allowed for the DELETION the election records without consequence, and I saw a video of her walking away from Dr. Shiva without answering any of his questions; and the SoS, Bill Galvin, has been MIA w.r.t. this, and other, voting “irregularities” (a euphemism if ever there was one!).

Not to mention the Guvna, on Pompeo’s “friendly” list with the Shy-Knee. All the “bio-tech” contributed, no doubt.

The kicker, of course, is that SO many residents here have the same quintessential ARROGANCE as the self-entitled “elites”.

The ignorance is stunning. At the first practicable opportunity, I shall leave. Too many self-serving, self-important. self-aggrandizing Mass-Hoes here.

And again – this attitude has prevailed for decades. Worst drivers ever, too!

None so blind as those who WILL NOT SEE.

*I* feel like an alien here.

I wonder whether Nor’easter and Yucki agree …

TheseTruths

Yes. They want to force everyone to do their bidding and to live in the h3llholes of their making.

Ozzytrumpster

they need conservatives

  • To do all the work
  • to swan about and feel superior to
cthulhu

Yes, but then we could have an armed perimeter.

scott467

“I wonder if we’re moving past the point of reconciliation with the Left.”

______________

😂🤣😂🤣😂

SEVERE battered conservative syndrome there…

We’ve been past the point of reconciliation with the Left since the Clinton administration.

Besides all that, the Left wouldn’t accept ‘reconciliation’ even if your terms were unconditional surrender to them.

Samuel Adams is too good for them, but sometimes it’s a helpful substitute for what I really think about them.

……………………………
“Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then ask yourself, ‘What should be the reward of such sacrifices? Are we just to do nothing? To allow the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the Earth?’
 
 
I detest any submission to a people who have either ceased to be human, or have not virtue enough to feel their own wretchedness. If ye love comfort better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, [then] go from us in peace.
 
 
We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands of your master. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!” — Samuel Adams, August 1, 1776…Faneuil Hall — Boston, Massachusetts
…………………………..

Emeraldstar

>>”reconciliation with the Left”<<

The order is backwards.

It is THEY who must seek reconciliation with US.

Full stop.

eilert

Send them to some island, maybe with the name GITMO, in it.

cthulhu

Send them to some island, maybe with the name “Atlantis” on it — so long as the ships are full when sent out and empty when returning…..

JW in Germany

Letting the left have their own states to destroy would not work given that destroying entire countries has only forced to move on to other countries…while blaming others for their failures.

Valerie Curren

Yeah Hitler was satisfied with Czechoslovakia & Poland AND…NOT!

Aubergine

All we have to do is stop feeding them for a while. They will come begging on their knees.

Remember the Great Success of the Chaz/Chop? That pitiful garden?

If we all just quit at once, it’s over in a month.

bflyjesusgrl 🍊 😎NUCLEAR MAGA😎

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BillBeakman

👍👍👍👏

TheseTruths

I haven’t read any of yesterday’s thread and don’t know if this has been discussed. I find Kristi Noem’s denial of an affair with Cory Lewandowski to be a non-denial. She does not directly state “I did not have an affair with CL” or “I am not having an affair with CL.” Instead, she tries to dismiss the charges with this:

These rumors are total garbage and a disgusting lie. These old, tired attacks on conservative women are based on a falsehood that we can’t achieve anything without a man’s help.

I love Bryon. I’m proud of the God-fearing family we’ve raised together. Now I’m getting back to work.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gov-kristi-noem-denies-allegations-of-affair-with-corey-lewandowski-total-garbage

She refers to “rumors,” not her own conduct. Then she invokes generic attacks about conservative women needing a man’s help, which doesn’t ring true with me. I don’t remember seeing those kinds of attacks on conservative women. The criticisms are usually about the woman’s ideology (e.g., being against abortion, favoring home schooling, being pro 2A, etc.). She says she loves her husband, as if that would preclude an affair (it wouldn’t). Then she invokes religion, which could be seen as virtue signalling. Finally, she tries to dismiss it all by “getting back to work.”

I don’t know if the allegations are true or not. I just don’t think her denial is an effective one.

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cthulhu

The thing is, it isn’t a political problem if she feels compelled to screw two random strangers in the street before every day of governmental duties — such things used to have a strong set of societal guardrails and were handled on a personal, local level — despite the political impulse to make personal behavior a political issue since almost the inception of the Republic.

I find it disgusting that there are no such societal safeguards and that politics has descended to a 24×7 full time s**tshow unconnected with actual governing.

Back in the day, Andrew Jackson had an admirable method for dealing with those who impugned the honor of his wife. He shot them. The venue was known and witnesses were welcome — and the other party could shoot back at that time or profusely apologize in advance, withdrawing any charges, and avoid the moment. Frankly, it was a more civilized time.

And, somehow, this method of dealing with personal scandal didn’t stop him from being a US Representative and US Senator from Tennessee, Governor of Florida, and 7th President of the United States for eight years.

scott467

“The thing is, it isn’t a political problem if she feels compelled to screw two random strangers in the street before every day of governmental duties —”

_____________

It’s a character problem.

The devilrats tried to claim that it wasn’t, or that it wasn’t relevant to leadership, and taught the world what ‘compartmentalism’ was after Bubba stained an intern’s blue dress, and then lied under oath about it.

And he was rewarded for it.

That was the end of any notion (for me) that America wasn’t sick to the core.

cthulhu

If you don’t have strong mechanisms for character problems, you end up with character problems bleeding into political issues.

Jackson left a string of corpses of those who disputed his character. This was a distinct advantage when keeping policy disputes in context.

And if anyone believes that this resulted in “watered-down” policy disputes, I can point to one of the greatest political speeches in US History — https://millercenter.org/the-presidency/presidential-speeches/july-10-1832-bank-veto

If you have studied every detail of the squabble and its history, the entire speech is a rich feast. But even if you know nothing of the context, the final paragraphs just pound the essence of America into stone:

“It is to be regretted that the rich and powerful too often bend the acts of government to their selfish purposes. Distinctions in society will always exist under every just government. Equality of talents, of education, or of wealth can not be produced by human institutions. In the full enjoyment of the gifts of Heaven and the fruits of superior industry, economy, and virtue, every man is equally entitled to protection by law; but when the laws undertake to add to these natural and just advantages artificial distinctions, to grant titles, gratuities, and exclusive privileges, to make the rich richer and the potent more powerful, the humble members of society–the farmers, mechanics, and laborers–who have neither the time nor the means of securing like favors to themselves, have a right to complain of the injustice of their Government. There are no necessary evils in government. Its evils exist only in its abuses. If it would confine itself to equal protection, and, as Heaven does its rains, shower its favors alike on the high and the low, the rich and the poor, it would be an unqualified blessing. In the act before me there seems to be a wide and unnecessary departure from these just principles.

Nor is our Government to be maintained or our Union preserved by invasions of the rights and powers of the several States. In thus attempting to make our General Government strong we make it weak. Its true strength consists in leaving individuals and States as much as possible to themselves–in making itself felt, not in its power, but in its beneficence; not in its control, but in its protection; not in binding the States more closely to the center, but leaving each to move unobstructed in its proper orbit.

Experience should teach us wisdom. Most of the difficulties our Government now encounters and most of the dangers which impend over our Union have sprung from an abandonment of the legitimate objects of Government by our national legislation, and the adoption of such principles as are embodied in this act. Many of our rich men have not been content with equal protection and equal benefits, but have besought us to make them richer by act of Congress. By attempting to gratify their desires we have in the results of our legislation arrayed section against section, interest against interest, and man against man, in a fearful commotion which threatens to shake the foundations of our Union. It is time to pause in our career to review our principles, and if possible revive that devoted patriotism and spirit of compromise which distinguished the sages of the Revolution and the fathers of our Union. If we can not at once, in justice to interests vested under improvident legislation, make our Government what it ought to be, we can at least take a stand against all new grants of monopolies and exclusive privileges, against any prostitution of our Government to the advancement of the few at the expense of the many, and in favor of compromise and gradual reform in our code of laws and system of political economy.

I have now done my duty to my country. If sustained by my fellow-citizens, I shall be grateful and happy; if not, I shall find in the motives which impel me ample grounds for contentment and peace. In the difficulties which surround us and the dangers which threaten our institutions there is cause for neither dismay nor alarm. For relief and deliverance let us firmly rely on that kind Providence which I am sure watches with peculiar care over the destinies of our Republic, and on the intelligence and wisdom of our countrymen. Through His abundant goodness and their patriotic devotion our liberty and Union will be preserved.”

Valerie Curren

Thank you for sharing this excellence!!!

singingsoul1

So true is is a character problem. From my own exsperience I always distand myself from a man if they did double talk coming on to me. Normally that was enough and if not I spoke clear so they understood 100% I was not available.

singingsoul1

I have no understanding with a married man/ woman having an affair unless there is already a problem in marriage. Maybe people should first end one commitment they made before God before entering in another.

scott467

She’s a snake woman.

TheseTruths

Snakes are sneaky, just like RINOs.

Deplorable Patriot

She’s being tossed aside by the machine, IMO. Sex scandals, whether they happen or not, is/are a safe way to do that without revealing too much.

As far as I’m concerned, this is a non-story being dredged up to get rid of both Noem and Lewandowski. They both did something to piss someone off, and this is the cover to get them off the stage.

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Emeraldstar

>>”Sex scandals”<< >>”the cover”<<

It’s the preferred “go-to” to get rid of traitors from either side.

I’d wager that the REAL reason is something much more nefarious.

It’s nigh on impossible to achieve such a lofty position without “costs”.

Some have done it; the vast majority of others haven’t succeeded on their own merits.

Noem is flaming out, quickly.

Aubergine

I actually think it’s Lewandowski, and Noem is collateral damage. She is a RINO, and expendable. But Lewandowski has been dropped by Trump. Something happening there.

singingsoul1

If it is not true it will not work. Truth wins.

Linda

Per our host, Mr. Wolf, I’m bringing this post from last night to today’s thread:

Whoa! This article has some really good data showing that the vaccines are definitely causing ADE.

BREAKING: AI-powered DoD data analysis program named “Project Salus” SHATTERS official vaccine narrative, shows A.D.E. accelerating in the fully vaccinated with each passing week

https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-10-01-ai-powered-dod-data-analysis-program-project-salus-shows-ade-accelerating-fully-vaccinated.html

This is an interesting finding:

“Finally, a horrifying slide in the data set reveals that one of the highest risk factors for being hospitalized after being vaccinated is simply being of Native American descent. According to the data in this slide, Native Americans face around 50% higher odds of being hospitalized after being vaccinated, compared to other ethnic groups such as Whites.

“Hispanics face a slightly lower risk which appears to be around 40% higher odds. Blacks face around 25% higher odds.

“Why is this the case? The gain-of-function properties which were engineered into the SARS-CoV-2 biological weapon — via Fauci, Daszak and the NIH — target ACE2 receptors which exist in higher densities in targeted organ systems of many minority groups such as Native Americans, Hispanics and Blacks. This has led many observers to conclude that the covid spike protein — which is generated in the bodies of those who take mRNA vaccines — is a race-specific bioweapon designed to achieve depopulation of minority groups.

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Thanks!

I think Mike Adams did a great job – he made some very pertinent observations about the document that were missed by others.

The one thing (so far) I don’t agree with, is the idea that the results show DEFINITE ADE. It’s currently my opinion that the results MAY show ADE, and if they do, then it MAY be significant, but we can’t really be sure yet. There is some possibility that the vaccines are simply losing effectiveness, as far as this data goes, and the “worsening” is really a return to a no-protection state. Also, even if there is ADE, it may not be as bad as the “it killed all the ferrets, and two kids” kind.

However, that does NOT rule out TERRIBLE ADE in the future, if we keep playing vaccine whack-a-mole! If there is a vaccine-variant pair with the right differences, there could be a really bad reaction with inappropriate antibodies.

Mass vaccination MUST be stopped, IMO.

Aubergine

But wouldn’t the fact that viruses generally mutate into “more contagious-less deadly” come into play? If it isn’t ADE. then this virus has mutated as more deadly. We have more deaths in highly vaccinated areas than a year ago when we had no clot-shot.

Sounds like ADE to me.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

First of all, there is a LOT of play in the numbers, because of CDC games. Sadly, we can’t trust the numbers enough for strong, clear, early warnings, IMO. That is why Malone had an “AHA” / GOTCHA moment when he heard the whistleblower leak that serum virus titers were higher in the vaccinated. That is a number that can’t really be messed with easily. But we are NOT seeing really strong and obvious deaths of the vaccinated due to the disease – YET. And because we have a really good range of vaccine loss of effect, it’s pretty clear to me that we have NOT encountered what I would call “killer ADE”. But that could come, easily, with a future variant.

Next, we have NOT had a normal virus evolution – BECAUSE OF THE VACCINE. Malone explains this REALLY WELL here:

https://youtu.be/qP31cfD3YOY

It’s long and technical, but he tries to explain how the leaky and very specific “spike” vaccines – named rather ironically – create a sharp “spike” of evolutionary pressure, which the virus then evades by highly directed evolution. Thus, we’re TRAINING the virus to improve by FIGHTING, rather than be becoming copacetic with humanity. This will likely lead to a Marek’s situation.

It is WRONG to force humanity into a Marek’s disease dilemma.

Aubergine

I agree. We are in a world of hurt if things don’t change SOON.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

What “they” are doing is creating false virtue signals to the deluded COVIDIANS so that they think they are protecting “the chilluns” and “grandma” and all these other things, when logic says they’re actually condemning all of us to a controlling slavery.

Aubergine

You know, I used to feel sorry for the deluded, but not anymore.

Nothing I or you know about any of this is obscure or unknowable. We don’t have special powers. We just look at things, read, and pay attention.

Anyone HAS to have seen enough by now about the controversy about covid and vaccines to have their curiosity piqued at least, if they have ANY interest in being anything other than a government sheep. If they haven’t looked by now, they are the walking dead. They will just go along to the gas chamber without a peep. It is just stunning to me that there are so many of them.

Some people are so addicted to the “high” of the virtue signal that they are willingly trading their lives for it. It’s no different than drug or alcohol addiction. In AA they say “some die so others may live.”

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Wow. That makes sense, actually.

Aubergine

Lol, don’t sound TOO surprised! I make sense occasionally. But don’t get used to it!

Valerie Curren

LOL 😉

kalbokalbs

Be great if a Sunday talk show highlighted this. Yea. Not holding my breath. Maybe Tucker will highlight this next week.

Deplorable Patriot

The only Sunday host who might go near this is Maria B.

kalbokalbs

Yea. She has the integrity. Short of videos posted QTree, have not watched Maria or any talking head in a long time.

Seems to me, this is NOT a likely topic for Maria. Hope I am wrong.

ForGodandCountry

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cthulhu

I know that I’ve been sporadic of late, and I have taxes coming up besides, but late at night I sometimes research stuff I want to use with Robert Baker when he gets his Linux going.

And I just happened to trigger something out of older, stranger Linux….

“Q:   How do you save a drowning lawyer?
A:   Throw him a rock.”

It’s all fine to say that Linux can run browsers or word-processors or email or spreadsheets like everyone else…..but that’s not always where the fun is.

ROBERT BAKER

The Fruit Loop is operational. It is connected to the net but I have not yet logged on because you suggested you had some info to pass on before I did so. Awaiting further instruction.

cthulhu

OK, if you changed the password during startup (I forget when they started asking for this), then it’s simple — open a terminal (it’s something like the fourth icon across the top — looks like like a black rectangle with a >_ in it).

At the prompt, type “sudo apt update”, then return. If prompted for a password, enter the pi’s password, then return.
Then type “sudo apt install ufw”, then return.
Then type “sudo ufw enable”, then return.

If it comes back with something like “Firewall is active and enabled on system startup”, you should be fine.

If you did NOT change the password during startup, it’s a little more convoluted. Let me know.

From here, it’s like a “choose your own adventure” — if you’d like to know what we just did, let me know. If you want to know about browsing, that’s another good choice. Talking about items on the menu is another good option. If anything else strikes your fancy, just ask.

Let’s get that firewall turned on ASAP, though.

ROBERT BAKER

It did not ask for a password. When I entered sudo apt update it returned:

Get: 1 http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian buster InRelease [32.0kb]
Get: 2 http://raspbian.raspberrypi.org/raspbian buster InRelease [15.0kb]
E: Respository ‘http://raspbian.raspberrypi.org/raspbian buster InRelease’ changed its ‘Suite’ value from ‘stable’ to ‘oldstabe’
N: This must be accepted explicitly before updates for this repository can be applied. See apt-secure(8) manpage for details.
Do you want to accept these changes and continue updating from this repository? [y/n]

While I was typing the above my monitor screen went black and I hit the RTN key to refresh and the following text appeared

0%[working] 78B/s 1h 23min 53s
Get: 3 http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian buster/main armhf Packages [393 kB]
Fetched 440 kB in 10min 10s (721 B/s)
Reading package list…Done
E: Failed to fetch http://raspbian.raspberrypi.org/raspbian/dists/buster/InRelease
E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.

cthulhu

I think they’re having trouble keeping track of what versions they’re running. Let’s press on.

cthulhu

You are doing well, btw — you’re clearly in a terminal window and you have apt’s attention.

Add to your available options: “Tell me about apt”.

cthulhu

OK, still in the valley twixt sally and response….

It has become a “thing” for modern Linux variants to make everything into “packages”. Any of us old-timers who dealt with UNIX, BSD, Xenix, SCO UNIX, or any of the other old-style systems will remember how much of a pain-in-the-ass it was to painstakingly assemble a functional operating system back before this. Naturally, this lead to the creation of software to manage the packages.

But when I say, “make everything into packages”, I should maybe say, “make EVERYTHING into packages.” The list of lists of acceptable packages is, itself, a package. And this is what got RB crossways when I had him say “sudo apt update” — that command tells apt to access the online package lists based on its stored package of acceptable online package lists.

Clearly, it needs to upgrade its package of acceptable online package lists and try again….but we were pursuing a different path.

This is annoying, and it is a QA issue, but it is ultimately of little import if we had a faster and more responsive “chat link” and “download link” to get software right.

cthulhu

I posted a longer response.

cthulhu

If you did not change the password during startup, and plugged it into the internet, you have already taken on a chunk of risk you didn’t have to. It’s still about 0.001% of the risk someone has when walking around with an Android phone, but it’s risk you never needed to have. Let’s change the password.

Simply open a terminal and type “passwd” (since it is your own password you are changing, you needn’t use sudo). It prompts you through the process.

Again, this is VERY COMMON — you get the same thing if you buy a new router and plug it into the internet before configuring it and changing accounts/passwords. Or plugging in a new internet “security camera”, or anything else that ships with a built-in user and a built-in password.

If you are exceptionally paranoid, and would like to take further steps, let me know. Otherwise just continue and enable the firewall.

cthulhu

FYI, the further steps would begin with creating a new user with all the powers and priveleges of “pi”, then logging in as that new user and nuking “pi”. No biggie, but a bit of a detour.

ROBERT BAKER

When I try to change the password it ask for my current password. When I begin to type it does not register on the monitor. The cursor does not register any keyboard input. As to the internet all I have done is to connect the computer to the router. I have not opened the browser.

cthulhu

When you type in the password, it does not show. You have to type precisely, but blind. It’ll let you know if you get it wrong.

Several weeks from now, we might decide to talk about routers and NAT.

Many corporations with dedicated IT departments don’t pay enough attention to the basics.

Not opening the browser is a very good move. When you do open the browser (AFTER THE FIREWALL), use chromium instead of the default (unless the default is Chromium).

To find out, hit the raspberry, go into internet, and see if there is any other browser listed besides chromium. If there is, just use chromium — if there isn’t, you can use the globe up next to the raspberry.

ROBERT BAKER

So far I think the password I set was for the router and not an overall password for pi. I have a chromium browser and two others at present. I still have not tried to go on the internet because I am not certain I have an appropriate firewall other than the one on the router. I am mostly blind. I can change the password from the config tab but I have not yet done that. My immediate question is whether or not I have updated to any new raspberry system files before I do any internet activity. This forum approach is a little like postal chess. It takes time between messages.

cthulhu

Exactly — as I noted before, Wolf has instituted a 3 minute delay before a post that I make can be seen by you — but even then, you have to update before you can see it. If you immediately respond, it won’t be visible to me for 3 minutes, and only then after I update.

Before anything else, how are you doing and what TZ are you in? I am up and rarin’ to go, but if you’re on the downside of Nod, we’d be better off to find a time to reconvene.

Second, should we maybe try zaggin’ to the utree, which (AFAIK) doesn’t have the 3/6 minute lag?

As a general note, I haven’t been talking about any of your other computers or your router, I’ve been addressing only what you can see on your pi. If you somehow accessed passwd for your router in a browser, it’s because your router also runs Linux. But we’re trying to work on getting your Pi 400 up and running safely.

cthulhu

I don’t know what issues are happening, but I’m calling it for tonight.

The destination for Robert is a login/password that isn’t generally known on the internet, and a firewall that drops unwanted attention.

I know that it’s easy to get things booted without addressing these two issues, but I consider them a bare minimum for internet security.

— Further communication on Sunday’s thread.

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Valerie Curren

Looks like some of your conversation is taking place on Sunday (Eastern time) so you guys might consider copying the whole conversation to Sunday’s thread & continuing there to get the greatest exposure from people reading along, like me.

cthulhu

(1) Bakocarl has beautiful posts of quiet meditation. I don’t like to be the person that bustles in with random overnight business. (Though I’ve often been the second person….)

(2) There is not much to be learned from this early stage — it is so dependent on whether a box is shipped on the 14th or 20th of a month, and stuff changes daily. Once we get Robert’s firewall up, things should relax and be of more general interest.

Valerie Curren

OK, thanks CT. At some point I might ask my new son-in-law to help me in setting up a Pi/Linux system. He was overlooking me as I was reading on the Q-Tree one time & got fascinated by a tech discussion unfolding. We’re hoping to red-pill him in increasing measures as time goes by 😉

cthulhu

It may be quicker to talk you through on the utree….

Valerie Curren

Thanks, CT. I’ll keep it in mind when/if the time comes–Blessings!

cthulhu

While I’m waiting to help Robert (which, BTW, it’s not your imagination — if you put in a comment that you can see, it takes 3 minutes and a reload before I can see it — per Wolf. A “round trip” from your thought will take a minimum of six minutes and two well-timed reloads. It ain’t me.), I’m going to try doing a bit of exposition — after I check what’s new.

cthulhu

OK. A firewall is merely a programmable gate in-between your computer and the network (anything plugged into its network jack, not necessarily the internet that is behind a router).

You will notice that Windows complains if its firewall is not turned on.

Linux has Uncomplicated Fire Wall — ufw — as a quick-and-easy firewall. On Ubuntu, it is shipped installed — BUT NOT TURNED ON. On Debian, including Raspbian and Raspberry Pi OS, it is not installed.

In a perfect world, you would have an operating Pi, plug in the internet cable, install ufw, then turn it on within a matter of seconds.

Once ufw is operational, its default behavior is to ALLOW anything INSIDE the computer to do what it likes to the internet, to allow continuing conversations, and to DROP anything from OUTSIDE that is not a continuing conversation.

cthulhu

If a firewall is not in operation, a remote process can try to mess with your computer — often several times per minute — until it can break in. After some weeks, we can swap your microSD card for one loaded with Kali and show you how this works — we can play with breaking into our own routers, our own computers, and the like — and maybe arrange demonstrations with our neighbors.

*** WARNING. BREAKING INTO STRANGERS’ COMPUTERS IS ILLEGAL AND MAY BE DANGEROUS IN WAYS THAT LAWYERS CANNOT HELP YOU. ***

cthulhu

Things that didn’t happen on January 6th, 2021 —

*On this date [February 28, 1890], Charles Kincaid, a newspaper correspondent, fatally shot former Congressman William Taulbee of Kentucky. The two men had a volatile history which began in 1887 when Kincaid wrote a story implicating Taulbee in an extramarital affair. Taulbee opted not to run for a third term, however, his work as a lobbyist kept him in close proximity to Kincaid who covered Congress for the Louisville Times. During the next few years Taulbee and Kincaid traded verbal insults. On the day of the shooting, House doorkeepers had to separate the two men. The “tall and sinewy” Taulbee allegedly warned the slight reporter—described in a contemporary account as “a little pint-of-cider fellow”—to arm himself. Kincaid later met up with Taulbee and shot the former Representative on the east staircase of the House Wing of the Capitol. The media widely covered the shocking event. “For the first time in the memory of man a gunshot was heard in the National Capitol today, and the marble steps of the staircase leading from the House floor to the restaurant below were stained with human blood.” Taulbee eventually succumbed to the gunshot wound and died on March 11, 1890. A jury later acquitted Kincaid on the grounds of self defense.*

https://history.house.gov/Historical-Highlights/1851-1900/The-death-of-Congressman-William-Taulbee-on-the-steps-of-the-U-S–Capitol/