The Population Control Shot – Introduction

What if I could explain every head-scratcher of the “pandemic” with a simple idea – that vaccination is the ideal format for introducing real, workable, tunable, and long-running “population control” into socialized medicine without anybody really noticing or caring?


Intro to the Intro

It’s one of those things that – once you see it – you simply cannot unsee it.

Like the “Buffalo Jump” series I did on the January 6 plot against “those pesky patriots”, there is WAY too much information here for a single post.

Indeed, it is quite possible for me to take the title idea – that the COVID vaccines are humanity’s first significant attempt at a population control shot – and go back over the ENTIRE history of “COVID-19”, and make it all make sense.

Yes. It’s THAT BIG, and THAT USEFUL.

And one of the ways I’m going to help make this make sense, is to argue FOR THE SHOT. That doesn’t actually mean that I’m FOR this idiotic HOLOCAUST in all capital letters, which makes the “Holocaust” look like spilled beer at a barbecue in comparison. No.

The thing is, you can’t really understand Fauci, Walensky, Gates, Schwab, Cuomo, Clinton, and all the rest, unless you do what the acting coaches tell you – “FIND THEIR MOTIVATION”.

So that’s what we’re going to do.


The First Big Dodge

OH – and by the way – if you just look at all those names I listed above, I only see two “maybe” Jews in the bunch. And it’s not like I know which temple these people go to. For all I know, there’s not a Jew in the bunch, depending on your definition of a Jew.

People are already trying to get out in front of this little democide thing by the SPLC “flyers method” – you know what I’m talking about – setting up charges of “anti-semitism”, which tells me that they know this TORPEDO OF TRUTH hits them at mid-ships, and “THEY” are therefore desperate.

The antisemitism defense is always reached for in desperation. The usual suspects who play Crump and Sharpton games to stay relevant, always chime in, too.

Why, even the genocidally practiced TEDROS and his cronies are getting nervous.

Check out this “flyers method” meme which – thankfully – Valerie Curren found on Gab, where I’ve already dropped a few test posts about my “depopulation” theory. Sure enough, chumming the waters with “we have you suckers” brought up this WHOPPER to the surface.

As I stated in response to Valerie’s comment, yes, there will be lots of “Jews” involved in this thing, but there will be lots of everybody else, too.

So – to critics of our RECOGNITION of the “virtuous global plan to confront the population crisis” – forget about painting this as a “Jewish” plot. EVERYBODY was in on this thing.

Well – ALMOST everybody.

SO – let’s just start RIGHT THERE.

You want to know why Trump “could not be President”? HERE’S YOUR ANSWER.

He wasn’t “in” on the plot – very likely because they KNEW he would object, and could not be “blackmailed, bribed, or controlled” into going along with it.

Exactly the same thing with me. They couldn’t corral me into this plot, so I was always kept at arms length from most of the “secrets of Shallow State”.

Likewise for all the “white hats”. People who live in the light – who DEMAND the light – could not be in on this sucker. Even if they thought “depopulation” might be a good thing.

You see, I actually believe in “depopulation”. I believe that the planet would be better off with fewer people. In fact, I actually thought those damn Guidestones were pretty smart.

The PROBLEM is that people are sorely tempted to do STUPID THINGS to get there.

LIKE MURDER. LIKE DEMOCIDE. LIKE HOLOCAUST.

It doesn’t mean the goal of fewer people sharing the planet is wrong, even if it’s not gospel. It’s just how you get there.

See the new tagline of the site.


“We do not believe any group of men adequate enough or wise enough to operate without scrutiny or without criticism. We know that the only way to avoid error is to detect it, that the only way to detect it is to be free to inquire. We know that in secrecy error undetected will flourish and subvert.”

J. Robert Oppenheimer

When I was a kid, with only a few billion people on Earth, “wilderness” was constantly reclaiming land outside of cities and farms. Even construction dump sites, left alone and given a few years to lay idle, would heal back into glorious wilds with all sorts of fish, animals, and lush plant life.

https://www.populationpyramid.net/world/1960/

Let’s be honest. Is that such a bad thing? A world that WORKS? Where every single person has more planet supporting them?

LIKE THINGS USED TO BE? AM I RIGHT – FELLOW CONSERVATIVES? THE PAST WAS ACTUALLY… GOOD?

Humanity has time. There’s no rush. Sure, I agree that we need to have kids, and stay fruitful, but civilization teaches us that we don’t have to live in total squalor. I believe Christ without question, that there will always be poor, because in a rich world, being poor is not only very easy and safe, but it is very ennobling in a world of relative plenty. SEE HISTORY.

Poverty is not the problem. The world needs poor people. But the fewer the people, if we get back to some optimum, some world of plenty, even the POOR are better off. (Note that Elon Musk says he thinks we need MORE people to reach the optimum. I’m not saying he’s wrong.)

Again, I believe that “depopulation” might not be a bad thing. At least, it doesn’t HAVE to be a bad thing.

HOWEVER, I don’t believe in telling even a SINGLE LIE to achieve depopulation. It’s WRONG.

Furthermore, “group suicide by lottery”, which is what these damn shots really are, is SINFUL, and must be rejected by Jews and Christians – and I would argue good Muslims as well (meaning the ones who don’t “suicide”). The clot shot is not a proper martyrdom for ANYBODY, IMO.

I did not have any religious opposition to these shots earlier – all of my objections were medical and scientific. But NOW, however, I have to add a religious objection. These shots are medically worthless compared to disease-conferred immunity, AND they are part of an effort to cause statistical shortening of life AND abortion.

Sorry – no can do – nor should any believer in God, IMO.

But let’s get back to something I said.


Virtue Depends On The Observer

Remember what I said earlier – what I called the plot…..

“the virtuous global plan to confront the population crisis”

Notice that when I put it THAT WAY, it doesn’t sound half bad. In fact, in “libtard” circles, it sounds pretty heroic.

ARE YOU STARTING TO SEE WHY PEOPLE DID THIS?

Their audience is not YOU or ME – their audience is EACH OTHER – and I’m pretty sure that these “Bilderberg” and “WEF” and other fancy globalist venues were all MODERATOR-LED DISCUSSIONS – that ironically led us to precisely where we are now. To a chorus of “somebody needs to do something”. AND THEY DID.

In THEIR circles, “doing something” about the population crisis is “noble”.

But how to make everybody ELSE see it as noble?

One of the things that is absolutely necessary to make this vaccination depopulation plot work, is for the media to never talk about the downside, for individuals, of taking part in the “clottery”, as some folks have cunningly anticipated this entire theory in a single word.

In case you haven’t noticed, the psychology of what the press is doing now is in perfect alignment with this theory. The press literally models to the sheep, the “correct” behavior when people die of the shot. NEVER talk about the shot being responsible.

People IGNORE IT because they have been TAUGHT TO IGNORE IT.

People EXCUSE IT because they have been TAUGHT TO EXCUSE IT.

People DON’T TALK ABOUT IT because they have been TAUGHT TO NOT TALK ABOUT IT.

And soon enough, the memories of WHAT IT WAS LIKE BEFORE THE SHOT will fade.

They KNOW this will work.

I repeat with more precision. The press is NOT being stupid. They are normalizing the idea of not talking about the downside of vaccines – until we don’t – until we CAN’T even see the downside, because we can’t remember a side that was any less “down”.

In my opinion, it is evil genius, and it has been working REMARKABLY WELL.

They have done it for YEARS, and they have done it on PURPOSE. And they have done it MORE and MORE and MORE and MORE, until we arrived HERE.

And even WE THE SKEPTICS, almost have to SLAP ourselves to see it.

In a normal science world, that’s F-ING crazy – and I use the word F-ING with great intent, because I want to WAKE YOUR ASS UP. Think how crazy that is – for the press to not talk about the downside of these vaccines, or to occasionally excuse it, or to blame the deaths on something else NUTTY like “global warming” or “stress” or “growing up”.

ALL OF THAT. All of it. Is explained by the idea that they are attempting to normalize an increase in deaths due to something we can’t talk about and be good people.

Are you REALLY starting to see how BLIND we have been?

We can sit there and logically SAY things like “Oh, yeah, it’s a depopulation shot”, but to REALLY get it, you need to look at it from both the PLOTTERS’ perspective, and the SHEEP’S perspective.

But once you DO, you actually see it so clearly, it becomes yet MORE proof that this is exactly what they’re doing.

And while we’re on the topic of PROOF…..


The Nursing Home Killers

When you understand that Andrew Cuomo was trying to “make the noble plot work”, THEN you can understand why he KNOWINGLY sent infected COVID patients back into nursing homes.

AND why the DNC had to turn THAT scandal into a “kissing scandal”, as they sent Cuomo into what they likely figure will be 5-10 years of “career rehab”.

Interestingly, they didn’t have to repeat it for any other governors after the first try.

We knew after Cuomo, that there would be no justice for ANY of the Democrat governors who took part in the plot. As long as the FAKE NEWS protected them, there would be no trouble.

The nursing home scandal is not much different from Germany in the 1930s, when the “new socialist doctors” wanted to “socialize medicine”, and one of the most obvious (but horrifying) ways to do that, was to cleanse the patient rolls of those who are going to die soon ANYWAY.

Again, it helps to understand that almost ALL leaders in the world are “in on the plan” to get these shots not just implemented – not just mandated – but NORMALIZED.

The “pandemic” had to be “bad” to mandate the shots. The shots had to be mandated to prevent comparison.

And COMPARISON had to be removed to hide FOREVER the fact that one of humanity’s “necessary” vaccines, was in fact a population and fertility control agent.

First, Fauci burned the PFIZER controls. But THEN he had to burn WE THE CONTROLS – the unvaccinated.

The GOAL was to transition to a state where science would “forget” that the vaccines themselves were reducing population faster than they were saving people from COVID.

It’s a beautiful scam. Stunning, really.

This is why Fauci NEVER touches “cost/benefit” analysis of the vaccines – why he focuses with laser precision on ANTIBODIES, ANTIBODIES, ANTIBODIES – and stays the hell away from everything else. It’s distraction – it’s a magic act – it’s diversion. I’ve referred to it as “antibody hypnosis” and I’m not talking about FAUCI being the one that’s hypnotized.

Rand Paul sees it, of course, but we have gone so far down the track of “normalizing insanity”, that the sight of an MD making the head medical scientist in the government look like either a liar or a fool – take your pick – it just doesn’t register as “not normal” any longer.

SO – I’m going to end this introduction here.

I will be covering more angles on the plot. MANY more. But I need to get you started not just understanding what went on, but actually accepting the horrible truth – and why we have to talk about it. Because if we don’t get this right, humanity is on one long ride to HELL.

W

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Brave and Free

Can’t wait to finish this article Wolf!

Brave and Free

You’re definitely onto something with this Wolf. We’ll have to see how long before the attacks start to discredit your
“conspiracy theory.”
Probably won’t be long. Can’t wait to read more.

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Tonawanda

I say this hoping not to be misunderstood, and if people knew me personally they would not misunderstand. But the anti-Semitic card has been played too often, a genuine shame and loss of good and necessary perspective. In a funny way, ALL charges such as anti-Semitism have also been diluted by the daily barrage of “racism” charges. The salt has lost its savor.

Weirdly enough, the tactic of name-calling comes at exactly a time when name-calling is in really bad disrepute. And the worst kind of bad disrepute, the kind which evokes immediate mockery.

Gail Combs
Aubergine

They’ve pushed to the point where I honestly don’t give one damn what they call me.

It’s stupid, and I’ll laugh in their faces.

Lenida

I dont think its about the rich controlling population and suppressing the poor, its more like the movie Idiocracy where the people who have jobs, mortgages etc decide to put off having children until they are financially stable. Those on benefits and of a low IQ have dozens of children so that the world ends up being run by idiots…….actually we might already be there.

BillBeakman

Definitely NOT idiocy. Premeditated evil. I would still maintain that not even the cabal really grasps that this will not end well for anyone but the father of nihilism.

Tonawanda

Please do not be personally offended, but I cannot adequately express how disturbing it is to see this as the first remark. Possible explanation or motive aside, it is about as far off the mark as one could possibly get.

Gail Combs

Well I have been trying for years.  🤓 

Tonawanda

Aubergine’s Razor deserves to be repeated as often as all the great one line insights.

Aubergine

Oh, that’s hilarious! I didn’t know that. Honestly, I think God gave me that line to share. Just floated itself into my brain.

Aubergine

Thank you!

Valerie Curren

It sure smells a bit of a eugenics mindset, at least to me. But I’m also colored by seeing this “person” posting a bot style make $100/hour comment on Sunday’s post…

Gail Combs

Lenida,

You sound like  Margaret Sanger   but at least she targeted what she though of as inferior people while this is a SHOT GUN APPROACH targeting THE WORKING CLASS.

Sanger wrote that the handicapped, including the “blind, deaf, dumb, mute and epileptics,” were the “dead weight of human waste” in her book Pivot of Civilization. See this quote in context online at Google Books on page 112.

Sanger and Present day Activists want to kill children AFTER they are born. Sanger wrote on page 63 of her book Woman and the New Race, “The most merciful thing that the large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.” Also,look at Sanger’s Negro Project in Maafa 21 Amazing how planned Parenthood has managed to kill so many black babies.

  Doctors should have the right to kill newborn babies because they are disabled, too expensive or simply unwanted by their mothers, an academic with links to Oxford University has claimed

Francesca Minerva, a philosopher and medical ethicist, argues a young baby is not a real person and so killing it in the first days after birth is little different to aborting it in the womb.

Even a healthy baby could have its life snuffed out if the mother decides she can’t afford to look after it, the article published by the British Medical Journal group states.

The journal’s editor has defended the piece, saying the publication’s role is to present well-reasoned arguments, rather than promote one particular moral view.

Writing in the Journal of Medical Ethics, Dr Minerva and co-author Alberto Giubilini, a University of Milan bioethicist, argue that ‘after-birth abortion’ should be permissible in all cases in which abortion is.

They state that like an unborn child, a newborn has yet to develop hopes, goals and dreams and so, while clearly human, is not a person – someone with a moral right to life.

In contrast, parents, siblings and society have aims and plans that could be affected by the arrival of the child and their interests should come first.

The article, After-birth abortion: why should the baby live? first addresses scenarios in which parents are unaware their child is disabled until after it is born.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?s=&authornamef=Fiona+Macrae+for+the+Daily+Mail (Removed from internet and wayback)

Some College Students Approve of ‘After-Birth Abortion’… Up to Age 5
And now states are working up to that.

Maryland Proposes Bill To Allow Abortion 28 Days After BirthThe Maryland senate will soon review a proposal to allow mothers to abort their baby a whole 4 weeks after it has left the womb. Senate Bill 669, otherwise known as the Pregnant Person’s Freedom Act of 2022, is sponsored by Senator William Smith,

Colorado LawCould Allow Post-Birth Abortion (Infanticide) – Up to 28 Days

A new Colorado law is written so vaguely that it allows post-birth abortions – infanticide – up to 28 days after birth. The new law declares abortion to be a “fundamental right” in Colorado.

So what age are we going to put on ‘After-birth abortion? 2 years, 5 years up until 18 years, What about up to 21 years if that useless lump won’t get out of the house? (I know of two sets of parents who MOVED with out leaving an address to get rid of an unwanted adult child.)

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

You sound like  Margaret Sanger   but at least she targeted what she though of as inferior people while this is a SHOT GUN APPROACH targeting THE WORKING CLASS.

And what makes you think these people with the shotgun don’t think of the working class as inferior?

Gail Combs

Oh they do. They call us the Great Unwashed but they do need at least SOME slaves…

Cuppa Covfefe

Over here we’re “The Great Unvaxxed”…..

Lauterbach is an abject fool, and is apparently teaming up with Faust-Xi!

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Cuppa Covfefe

Have a look at this very disturbing article. First, terminally-ill children, up to 12. Then, these children can ask their parents, and, if they accept, the child will be killed (they say euthanized, but murder is murder). Above 12, euthanasia is permitted whether or not the child is terminally ill, if there are compelling reasons.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8836013/Holland-considers-allowing-euthanasia-children-aged-one-12-years-age.html

This shows just how little TPTB and the medical/pharma industry think of us.

As far as rich versus poor versus small furry animals go (OK, I made up that last one), the “Gumball Lecture” remains a brilliant exposition of the futility of trying to fix other countries’ problems by importing ever-increasing numbers of their people. The old “fix the symptom, not the problem” trick. Yet the math-challenged misanthrope Malthus was far, FAR off in his calculations. There was a post somewhere a month or so ago which suggested that the world’s population would fit into Texas, with room to spare. If something isn’t done about our southern border, we may find out if the poster was correct 😀 😡

Finally, Creation is full of self-limiting and self-correcting systems. I rather expect that population is one of them. As societies advance and prosper, fewer offspring are needed to keep the farm afloat (as it were), and families become smaller, start later, and, sad to say, become more disparate and disconnected. Yet those same families are involved, and, lacking the communist criminals we see nowadays, they lead and want the best for everyone (aka MAGA/KAG, or KAG/MAGA as I like to say).

Idiots multiplying like rabbits is both a slur and a misnomer, and rings of Sanger, Gates (Jr. and Sr.) and quiet electrically-powered fishing boats…….

The Gumball lecture is quite good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

Gail Combs

Notice he said 2 Million immigrants into the USA would be very DISRUPTIVE and that is what Bye Done did to us and is going to do to us again as we lose corporations and jobs.

Cuppa Covfefe

Exactly. Cloward-Piven (and LBJ had something to do with that, too 😡 )…

Gail Combs

So did Ted Kennedy when he changed the immigration laws to admit third worlders instead of Europeans. (Who WORK)

Aubergine

I agree with you. God will impose limits in His time, how He chooses. He’s done it before, He’ll do it again if necessary.

Gail Combs

So WHAT is the other option to killing?

  1. QUIT SUPPORTING the unproductive! Get rid of Welfare and paying unwed mothers to HAVE those kids.
  2. RAISE the standard of living. Well educated people don’t have more than a few children while those doing subsistence farming have lots of kids because they are FREE LABOR many die and they can be SOLD.
Gail Combs

AND they can tell it to themselves and each other to make themselves feel virtuous while they deny their deep down true motivations.

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Gail Combs

This is NOT NEW!!!

From my old notes.  🤓 

 USA population sterilization 2014

The US government has followed Ehrlich’s advice. (The 1968 book The Population Bomb)

A USDA grant funded Epicyte (SEE: http://www.theguardian.com/science/2001/sep/09/gm.food ) who developed a GM corn with a “rare class of human antibodies that attack sperm.”

Announcing his success at a press conference, the president of Epicyte, Mitch Hein, pointing to his GMO corn plants and announced, “We have a hothouse filled with corn plants that make anti-sperm antibodies.”

Shortly after the 2001 Epicyte press release, all discussion of the breakthrough vanished. The company itself was taken over in 2004 by Biolex [of Pittsboro NC] and nothing more was heard in any media about the development of spermicidal corn….
http://www.fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/epicyte-contraceptive-corn/46351

(Those are about the only two live links I have left.)

There have also been “Reports” that allege various other methods of sterilization including vaccines. A list of them is HERE: http://www.whale.to/m/sterile.html

This is one of the reasons some people are anti-GMOs and anti-vaccines.

You could dismiss all this as way out conspiracy theory except for in 2010 Bill Gates Talks ‘Vaccines to Reduce Population’
https://web.archive.org/web/20100807193206/http://www.financialsensearchive.com/editorials/engdahl/2010/0304.html

and the fact that the founding Director-General of UNESCO was a Eugenicist.

[QUOTE]
Fabian Socialist Sir Julian Huxley became the first Director-General of UNESCO, he authored UNESCO: ITS PURPOSE AND ITS PHILOSOPHY (1948) in which he revealed that

“even though it is quite true that any radical eugenic policy will be for many years politically and psychologically impossible, it will be important for UNESCO to see that the eugenic problem is examined with the greatest care, and that the public mind is informed of the issues at stake so that much that is now unthinkable may at least become thinkable.”

It was during this time of the early 20th Century that Rockefeller introduced Margaret Sanger to the monied elite who would help her form the Birth Control League which would later become Planned Parenthood. The November 1921 issue of Sanger’s Birth Control Review carried the heading “Birth Control: To Create A Race of Thoroughbreds,” and Sanger would later advocate eugenically limiting “dysgenic stocks” such as blacks, Hispanics, American Indians and Catholics, as well as “slum dwellers” such as Jewish immigrants.

In 1926, Rockefeller money funded the founding of the American Eugenics Society, and the next year on May 2, 1927, the U.S. Supreme Court by an 8 to 1 majority ruled in Buck v. Bell that certain “unfit” people could be forcibly sterilized. Regarding this ruling, British [Fabian Socialist] Professor Harold Laski wrote his friend Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes: “Sterilize all the unfit, among whom I include all fundamentalists.”

The Dark Roots of EUGENICS By Dennis L. Cuddy, Ph.D.
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And to top it off with real world data, I always want real world data, this interesting report from the UN on African fertility:

Demographic Change in Sub-Saharan Africa

Barney Cohen reviews levels, differentials, and trends in fertility for more than 30 countries from 1960 to 1992. He finds evidence of fertility decline in Botswana, Kenya, and Zimbabwe, confirming the basic results of the DHS. What is new here though is his finding that the fertility decline appears to have occurred across cohorts of women at all parities, rather than just among women at middle and higher parities, as might have been expected on the basis of experience in other parts of the world. He also presents evidence that fertility may have begun to fall in parts of Nigeria and possibly in Senegal….

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=2207&page=4

Last, at one of the Texas Universities (Texas A&M?) a professor giving a speech years ago to the graduating class talked of over population and the need for a VIRUS to cull humans. He Of course did not allow recording but another Prof spelled the beans. In more recent times they have even more Profs advocating Genocide and murder.

Gail Combs

The Lord works in mysterious ways…. He even uses Agnostics!  🤓 

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Ehrlich is one of those names that sets me off when a Young Head Full of Mush quotes him approvingly as predicting the next disaster.

“He has been Dead Wrong half a dozen times. Why are you listening to him now? Why is anyone with more than one brain cell listening to him now?!?”

Tonawanda

Didn’t he lose a famous bet which has peculiar, indirect relevance to you?

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Something about commodity prices going up or going down?

I vaguely recall that.

But yes.

This guy is full of wrong…I don’t mean morally, though that’s true too; just never, ever factually right. If he announced the sky was blue, I’d check.

Tonawanda

Exactly! He made a bet years in advance that by 2000 the world would have run out of gold, etc etc. The guy he bet (the winner) basically said it was all nonsense, which turned out to be true.

Like all these dire predictions, they seem like safe predictions when made many years in advance.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

And when the left never, ever lets his past track record be any hindrance whatsoever as they continue to lionize this shithead.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

My abject apologies to the Shit Anti Defamation League.

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Cuppa Covfefe

Wouldn’t that be the Anit-Defacation League? Probably hovering (hoovering?) about Bye,Dung and Swallowell…

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Well, if they formed an anti-defecation league they’d never get new members.

Which would parallel the agenda talked about in this post, actually.

Cuppa Covfefe

Yep. He bothers me too because his name means “truthful” in German, and he’s anything but truthful… sort of like that idiot Peter Gleick, “Ethics Officer” or something like that, dangerous close to Gleich, or, more accurately, ungleich…..
or ungenügend…

GA/FL

That Cuddy Crossroads site takes a bit of getting used to….

Gail Combs
GA/FL

It’s overwhelming. I’ll save the link, but may not be able to dive so deep into all that with all that is going on in my life

Gail Combs

I have been at this for a couple decades so I have already read (and forgotten) a lot of this stuff.

Tonawanda

1) I feel deep gratitude to be on this site, to read these words. Wolf, you are a thoughtful man in numerous senses of the word thoughtful.

2) There were several moments of “satori,” and the whole introduction made perfect sense.

3) One moment was seeing what is happening “sympathetically.” This is a true key to understanding, and removes the cartoonish sensibility which seems to hover over so many explanations for the indisputably bizarre and surreal nature of what is happening across the globe.

4) You, Wolf, have previously (a week or so ago) indicated the general direction you are going. We all have much to anticipate with an open mind.

5) It is a unique moment in the history of mankind. A Noah type moment, but unprecedented.

RedLegLeader68

This comment is the W that we all love … just sayin’ …

Aubergine

Wolf, I can only think of one thing to say about viewing the monsters “sympathetically:”

“When you look into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche

We ALL need to be VERY, VERY careful about this.

Aubergine

That is just SHOCKING to me. I can’t believe that is the same guy.

That book changed my life. Literally.

Aubergine

Wolf, you are a true voice of sanity in a crazy fucking world.

I appreciate you.

Aubergine

🙂

scott467

“Do you hang in and try to humanize it as much as you can, or do you bail and run?”

_____________

Or stay in and sabotage.

And collect information, leaking that which cannot be traced back to you, and saving the rest for the right moment, or when you need it, whichever comes first.

TradeBait2

Absolutely brilliant, Wolf. Thank you for taking this on. Love the concept of it and where it is going!

Need more than popcorn.

🍻 🍔 🥓

GA/FL

Males and females – made Infertile by vaccines and other means – will lead to government approved genetically altered test tube (even cloned) fetus implantations forced on couples.

It will lead to levels of inhumanity beyond our imaginations.

Gail Combs

Holdren was Erchlich’s co-author and Obama’s Science Czar.
Meet John Holdren | The Eugenicist In Control of Science & Technology

Meet John Holdren!

In 1977 he co-authored a book called Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment. It talks about how the world was already overpopulated, and proposes possible totalitarian measures to address the issue. Here are a few of the frightening things wrote in that book:

  • Indeed, it has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Constitution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society.
  • It would even be possible to require pregnant single women to marry or have abortions, perhaps as an alternative to placement for adoption, depending on the society.
  • In today’s world, however, the number of children in a family is a matter of profound public concern. The law regulates other highly personal matters. For example, no one may lawfully have more than one spouse at a time. Why should the law not be able to prevent a person from having more than two children?
  • Adding a sterilant to drinking water or staple foods is a suggestion that seems to horrify people more than most proposals for involuntary fertility control. Indeed, this would pose some very difficult political, legal, and social questions, to say nothing of the technical problems. No such sterilant exists today, nor does one appear to be under development. To be acceptable, such a substance would have to meet some rather stiff requirements: it must be uniformly effective, despite widely varying doses received by individuals, and despite varying degrees of fertility and sensitivity among individuals; it must be free of dangerous or unpleasant side effects; and it must have no effect on members of the opposite sex, children, old people, pets, or livestock.

[UNQUOTE]
Funny how they came up with a spermicidal corn…

GA/FL

Soy has come under scrutiny for reducing fertility in males. Rumor or true, I don’t know.

Deplorable Patriot

Raw soy is loaded with estrogen. I have to avoid it. Brewed soy sauce is a different matter.

GA/FL

Thanks for the info.

Cuppa Covfefe

The pejorative “Soy Boy” is not unfounded…

Then again, there’s “Rice Boys” in the teen-car-modding world:

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SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I always found those super high spoilers to be absolutely ridiculous looking.

scott467

I’m pretty sure spoilers in general are useless at any speed most people will ever drive.

I would guess you need to be going at least 75mph in order to generate any useful downforce from a spoiler that is designed to create downforce (the one in the photo looks more like a wing to create lift), which nobody needs going in a more or less straight line (highway driving).

And how many street drivers are doing sharp turns at 75+ mph?

Besides bank robbers?

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Fair enough.

I owned a 1992 Integra, and IIRC you had to get the GS trim to get the spoiler. I could have cared less (but not much less) about the spoiler, but wanted other things that only came with the GS line, so I ended up with the spoiler…but it was one of those only a couple of inches off the surface of the car–in other words, it didn’t just look ridiculous, though it probably wasn’t anything more than decorative, at any speed including ones I never hit (I once did 106 in it briefly until I remembered the speed rating on the tires I was using at the time–and it felt solid, no oh-shit-it’s-going-to-fall-apart vibrations, 90-95 was much more frequent [prevailing speed on some parts of the interstate here]).

The GS is not to be confused with the GS-R which had the VTEC engine, and an extra 30 horsepower. And it had the same LOW spoiler. The super-high spoilers either got added in some later year (with perhaps the 3rd gen body style) or they’re aftermarket; I don’t know which.

scott467

“Then again, there’s “Rice Boys” in the teen-car-modding world:”

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I am as positive as I can be that is not a boy… 😁

GA/FL

Sounds like Harari, Schwab, Obama, Holdren and Fauci belong in the same box.

Gail Combs

They certainly do!

Cuppa Covfefe

A very small getting ever smaller, one…

Sort of like the Star Wars trash compactor…

scott467

This guy is really, truly, deeply sick.

And totally disconnected from basic principles and concepts underlying the Constitution, and the freedoms and rights of the individual guaranteed therein.

GA/FL

Disposable kids if elite moms are dissatisfied.

Gail Combs

YUP, That is why the push to have ‘abortion’ up to the age of five.

By the age of seven the personality is pretty much fixed.

TheseTruths

will lead to government approved genetically altered test tube (even cloned) fetus implantations forced on couples

Ignoring the created order of things and making themselves gods instead.

GA/FL

Exactly.

Gail Combs

Very much so.

Listen to Steve Bannon and Joe Allen on Transhumanism.

https://warroom.org/category/transhumanism/

They even have clips were these MONSTERS even say they will be as gods…

singularzoe

I’m with Gail–nothing new here. I said in the beginning it was not just controlling population but Depopulation to cull the Medicare rolls, the Social Security rolls and the state and federal pension rolls, but of course the bigger motives are those of people like Sanger. It’s deliberate, with some being dupes. United Nations, Gates, Rockefeller types all pushing it. , and major world leaders know exactly what they are doing (they are not dupes at all.) And I Don’t believe in trying to lower world population–I do think if that happens, it will happen through natural forces and events, without human meddling, and human beings are not wise enough to be manipulating such things, nor would the technocracy they are trying to build, nor should they be playing god in these evil ways, and it Is Evil to the core. Not stating any of this very well, but I’m in a hurry.

Gail Combs

You stated it just fine.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I too am a bit puzzled why Wolf seems to have suddenly figured this out…we’ve all been saying it…including Wolf if I’m not mistaken.

But then, sometimes you know a lot of things and an epiphany hits; the pieces fall together just so and you say…Ah, HA!!! As you note a connection or two you hadn’t noticed before.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

And this is why they are unrepentant, and will be unrepentant until their heads go on the pikes.

Because they genuinely believe they are the good guys.

Gail Combs

YUP!

AND they have convinced a lot of the younger people of it too.

That was why they started with abortion 1st trimester and allowed it to creep up to full term and now AFTER BIRTH ABORTION.

PETA is also all about De-population.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I remember when it came out that the PeTA vans that people who were giving up their pets to–thinking PeTA would treat them nicely and find them good homes–were instead killing the animals before the van was in “drive.”

Gail Combs

You didn’t know that Wolfie? It came out years ago.

Killing Animals: PETA’s Open ‘Secret’ | HuffPost Contributor

In 2014, PETA killed 2,324 of the 2,626 animals it acquired, including Maya. It had a 1% adoption rate. In 2015, it killed another 1,494. Last year, 1,442 were put to death. The majority of the remainder were taken to local pounds where they were killed

It is really bad when it makes Huff and Puff.

Gail Combs

Straight from Fabian co-founder George Bernard Shaw

KILLING THOSE “UNFIT TO LIVE”

The moment we face it frankly we are driven to the conclusion that the community has a right to put a price on the right to live in it … If people are fit to live, let them live under decent human conditions. If they are not fit to live, kill them in a decent human way. Is it any wonder that some of us are driven to prescribe the lethal chamber as the solution for the hard cases which are at present made the excuse for dragging all the other cases down to their level, and the only solution that will create a sense of full social responsibility in modern populations?”

Source: George Bernard Shaw, Prefaces (London: Constable and Co., 1934), p. 296.

…..

Under Socialism, you would not be allowed to be poor. You would be forcibly fed, clothed, lodged, taught, and employed whether you liked it or not. If it were discovered that you had not character and industry enough to be worth all this trouble, you might possibly be executed in a kindly manner; but whilst you were permitted to live, you would have to live well.”

George Bernard Shaw: The Intelligent Woman’s Guide to Socialism and Capitalism, 1928, pg. 470

And while we are at it, I finally found this:

Peter Singer’s Bold Defense of Infanticide:

Singer is the Decamp Professor of Bio-Ethics at Princeton University.

In 1979 he wrote,“Human babies are not born self-aware, or capable of grasping that they exist over time. They are not persons”; therefore, “the life of a newborn is of less value than the life of a pig, a dog, or a chimpanzee.””

http://www.equip.org/article/peter-singers-bold-defense-of-infanticide/#christian-books-3

After-Birth Abortions: College Students Increasingly Support Infanticide

… in interviews that not only do they see more college students willing to say they support post-birth abortion, but some students even suggest children up to 4 or 5-years-old can also be killed, because they are not yet “self aware.”’

Gail Combs

Wolfie,

I understand what you are saying. We are dealing with people who have a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FRAME OF REFERENCE. They are not ‘Christians’ and do not subscribe to that set of morals PERIOD.

They do not even believe in LOGIC or OBJECTIVE REALITY.

The Philosophy Of Karl Marx

The Hegelian Basis

The philosophical bases of Marx’s thought were laid early and remained unchanged throughout his life. As a student, Marx accepted the philoso­phy of Hegel …..Thus, Hegel accepted as real only that which existed in the mind. Objective phenomena and events were of no consequence; only the con­ceptions of them possessed by human minds were real. Ideas, not ob­jects, were the stuff of which the universe was made. The universe and all events therein existed and took place only in the mind, and any change was a change in ideas. Therefore, to account for these changes in ideas was to account for change in the universe.

So we need to place ourselves in their frame of reference to understand them.

barkerjim

It may be very bad to get into their frame without a strong connection to God.

Aubergine

You better believe it! We have to be CAREFUL.

Gail Combs

Just realizing they ARE NOT logical and that they base everything on FEELINGS and on IMMEDIATE gratification and ‘Consensus’ is close enough.

When I call them two year olds in adult bodies, I really mean it. Their emotional maturity and ability to reason is that of a two year old until you get very high up in the chain of command.

At that point you get into PURE EVIL — Pychopaths with no feelings for others.

scott467

“So we need to place ourselves in their frame of reference to understand them.”

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Remembering that it is not at all necessary to understand a criminal, in order to arrest, prosecute, convict and execute him for capital crimes.

All that is required is that it be proven the Law was broken, and the penalty for breaking that Law be enforced.

Brave and Free

I’ll just drop this here, they really believe there in the correct side. I’ll agree more with this.

https://truthsocial.com/@InevitableET/posts/108760429015118650

TheseTruths

Their concept of good is warped. If the good guys can control their fellow humans, make them sick, and even kill them for some supposedly higher purpose, then what do the bad guys do?

Gail Combs

“… then what do the bad guys do?”

Thwart their plans. Look at the hissy fits they are throwing because of Trump and the MAGA Patriots.

TheseTruths

Yes. My point was that if the supposed good guys get to kill us, then I shudder to think, in that scenario, about what someone would have to do to be called a bad guy.

scott467

“Thwart their plans. Look at the hissy fits they are throwing because of Trump and the MAGA Patriots.”

__________________

I always look at that (when I remember) as a kind of juvenile con.

The kind of thing we did in high school and even more in college, in rebellion toward authority.

We loudly objected to things we didn’t like or want to be constrained by, and then laughed about it all the way home.

The greater our outrage had been, the harder we laughed about it afterwards, amazed that we had been able to act like that, and nobody even tried to stop us.

It was a sort of con. Sure, our dislike of whatever constraint was being objected to was real, but the rebellious behavior toward authority was like bad theater. Like old SNL skits.

The more outrageous we were, the more laughs we would have about it later, retelling the events to ourselves and to friends who weren’t there.

These people remind me exactly of that age and time, like rebellious juveniles who never grew up, because they never had to.

And now they are TPTB, and we’re like the stodgy old no-fun-allowed establishment.

Only we have to take them seriously, because they have the ability to do real harm, and they enjoy it.

Look at Hussein. Look at the permanent smirk he wears on his face. Does anyone really think he’s not the same Choom Gang goof that he was in college — only now drunk out of his mind on money and power?

scott467

“Because they genuinely believe they are the good guys.”

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Truly I don’t see how it can be remotely possible, to knowingly inflict pain or death on millions of innocent people or even just one — and not know in your bones that doing so is not “good” and never will be, no matter what rationalization or justification they might come up with.

Just the sheer level of resistance to their efforts, not to mention the degree to which they have to deceive and hide their actions, is a clue the size of the universe that what they are doing is deeply and terribly wrong.

Any normal person would be compelled to question what they are doing and why. And any person with a conscience would find himself in deep conflict with the man in the mirror.

If we think they believe they’re the good guys, it seems like we’re giving them a pass, an excuse, a rationalization for ignoring their conscience.

Almost like we’re enabling our abusers.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

In this particular case, they likely believe they are saving all life on earth, indefinitely, at the cost of a few billion members of one species today. If they don’t do that (they believe) nothing will be alive a century or two from now. That tradeoff surely makes no sense to you and I (largely because we know the premise is bullshit), but it makes sense to them.

To understand what’s going on in a sick twisted mind, is not enabling…but it does help us predict how they will act…in this case they will fight to the death.

scott467

I just have a very hard time believing that anyone besides the lowest IQ troglodytes believe what they are doing is righteous.

They are too smart, too well educated (if not in philosophy and morality then certainly in history), too sophisticated and too erudite not to know better.

They would have to be morons not to know, and they’re definitely not morons.

It’s like wanting to pretend that Leprechauns (or Central Bankers) don’t know the value of a pot of gold.

It just doesn’t pass the smell test.

The only way it occurs to me that it is even possible to rationalize their belief in the righteousness of their cause, is if they are literally in what amounts to a Heaven’s Gate or Jonestown cult.

And if that’s the case, if that’s who is running the show, then it’s way past midnight on the doomsday clock.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

And this is why you fail.

Because fundamentally, you assume everyone thinks just like you deep down, and trhey don’t.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Bingo.

scott467

“And this is why you fail. Because fundamentally, you assume everyone thinks just like you deep down, and trhey don’t.”

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Oh please, I fail for lots of reasons, I would never try to limit myself to just one… 😉

But it’s not that I assume everyone thinks just like me, I know they don’t.

But nearly everyone who is human shares a basic understanding of ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ when it comes to anything as grave as premeditated murder, particularly civilized humans who were raised in a society based on law. They cannot help but recognize that murder is wrong, it is not ‘good’.

No normal person can put their fingers around some innocent person’s throat, and squeeze until the person is strangled to death, and then adjust their tie, look in the mirror, and tell himself that he did a good thing.

That’s not a bias on my part, assuming everyone thinks like I do.

That is just fundamentally human.

Murder is against every code of Law that has ever been written, as far as I am aware.

No society can be sustained, if there is no prohibition to murdering one another, and beyond that, normal people have and share a basic sense of what is ‘right’ and ‘wrong’, at least in the most basic and fundamental areas. If not innately, then by being raised in a civilized society.

Any normal person understands that it is wrong to steal, if for no other reason than they know they do not like to be stolen from.

Any normal person knows that kicking an infant child in the face is wrong. It is not ‘good’.

Any normal person comprehends that taking an innocent life is wrong, it is certainly not ‘good’, if for no other reason than they would not like to have their own life taken by someone else.

And any normal person certainly comprehends that if murdering one person is wrong, then murdering millions of innocent people is exponentially ‘wrong’, it is not ‘good’.

There are things in this world that we cannot help but know, whether by nurture or by nature (or both), that they are wrong, that they are not ‘good’.

And any normal person, with even a hint of self reflection or education or even a sliver of common sense, knows that any attempt to rationalize or justify anything as depraved and repugnant as genocide as being ‘good’ is nothing more than a shallow attempt to rationalize and justify their own actions.

Is it possible for some individual, a psychopath, to either deceive themselves, or have no moral compass of any kind, such that no justification would be needed in order to commit heinous crimes?

I expect so.

But that can’t explain the hundreds and certainly thousands who are directly engaged in or passively going along with mass-murder, in governments all across the West.

What could explain that, unless they are all psychopaths, or members of some cult which they share in common?

What would it take, in order to undo a lifetime of knowing that murder is wrong, and genocide is even wronger — by orders of magnitude?

Knowing that murder and genocide is wrong, that it is not ‘good’, is unavoidable for any of the actual participants, as none of them can claim to have been raised by wild beasts in the jungle.

So what would it take for any normal person, educated in basic history, immersed in cultural norms and mores from earliest memory, to deceive themselves into legitimately thinking that murdering millions of innocent people is ‘good’, that it is not wrong?

It must be something extraordinary, and it must be affecting all of them on an individual basis, because any normal person, if they became aware that they were participating in genocide, would run from that scene as fast as their feet would carry them.

The understanding that murder and genocide are ‘wrong’ is common to any civilized person, if not to all human beings everywhere.

It is something that the vast majority (if not all) human beings share, whether by nature or nurture or both.

What is being done to the population of the world, right now, requires the knowledge and direct participation of thousand (if not tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands) of human beings, in order to make it happen.

So what could have happened, to so radically distort and affect these most basic and fundamental aspects of humanity, such that tens of thousands of people would or could repudiate everything they know about ‘right’ and ‘wrong’, in order to commit a global holocaust against their fellow man?

Not even against a particular race, but against their own species, against Homo sapiens — and convince themselves that it is ‘good’, that they are not monsters, orders of magnitude worse than Hitler and Stalin combined?

As a matter of basic psychology, would it not require something extraordinary, to cause vast numbers of people in positions of power and authority to reject a lifetime of understanding that murdering innocent people is wrong, that genocide is wrong, and then to go further, to convince themselves that what they are doing is ‘good’?

What could accomplish such a thing, in so many people, in leadership and enforcement, across nations and continents?

Psychopathy?

Are they members of a death cult?

Are they slaves to some mind-control drug?

What could explain the numbers of people involved, intelligent and well educated people, radically reversing a lifetime of understanding, on an issue as basic and fundamental as the premeditated murder of billions of innocent people?

It’s not like we just grew up in different neighborhoods and so I have nothing more in common with them than I do with aliens from outer space.

So what is really going on here?

Aubergine

“The problem is that the secret do-gooders have been DECEIVED – they have been roped into secret evil. They can’t talk about it, much less BACK OUT or BACK DOWN.”

That is the ages-old trick of the Dark One himself. He draws you in, makes you feel you are doing the “right” thing, and once you’ve committed, shows you what you really did. Then you’re trapped.

The current situation is so classic it’s almost a cliche.

Aubergine

That “gut feeling” is, in my humble opinion, the voice of God.

God’s voice has saved me from myself many times. The hardest part is just to listen and do what it says, regardless of what I think.

TheseTruths

human beings are not wise enough to be manipulating such things, nor would the technocracy they are trying to build, nor should they be playing god in these evil ways

Exactly!

kalbokalbs

E X A C T L Y.

Aubergine

Amen!

Valerie Curren

I thought the West was in danger by having less than replacement population so that the aging “Boomers” etc. would have insufficient working adults to support their retirement…

GA/FL

I am discombobulated that you like anything about the Georgia Guidestones, Wolf Moon.

Gail Combs

You can be worried about too many people WITHOUT advocating for EVIL METHODS OF POPULATION CONTROL.

As I said. A high standard of living does a very nice job of lowering the reproduction rate.

You can see it in the total fertility rate by country. (children/woman)

https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/total-fertility-rate/country-comparison

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Agreed.

If people were to voluntarily have fewer children and have world population decline a bit, that might be a good thing.

But you do not make the choice for them.

Gail Combs

EXACTLY that’s MURDER!

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Or, if not killed but rather sterilized involuntarily…it’s something else. Not murder, no one is killed, But it’s heinous.

Gail Combs

They were doing the involuntary sterilization for years. Now they have moved on to MURDER.

Cuppa Covfefe

Self-limiting system, in my view…

Chiefio had a deep dive about the rise and fall of various civilizations, and that could be viewed as a sort of feedback/control/limit mechanism…

I think at the root of it (as always) is hubris, nacissism, naked greed, and an all-consuming lust for money, power, and control of others… They all want to yell “JUMP!” and have all of us reply, “HOW HIGH?”.

I’d reply, “GO JUMP YOURSELF” (or something to that effect 😀 )…

Gail Combs

If they had left Africa alone, disease, tribal raids/wars, malnutrition, starvation… would take care of the population ‘problem’

IF you are going to interfere, then you better look at ALL the ramifications BEFORE HAND.

And yes the real root is hubris, nacissism, naked greed, and an all-consuming lust for money, power, and control of others…”

All I am saying is what they are doing is NOT the only option and that is the KEY.

Typical Problem– Reaction — Solution where ‘They’ have the solution ‘They’ want all ready for you and no other options.

I seriously think de-pop is more about a CONTROLLABLE POPULATION than anything else.

Deplorable Patriot

I seriously think de-pop is more about a CONTROLLABLE POPULATION than anything else.

Yes. The birth rate was kept in check for quite a while in western Europe with later marriage ages and full convents, abbeys, and priesthoods, not to mention war. There’s nothing undignified about that, and the Middle Ages were not anywhere close to dark. Some of the greatest saints in that time period came from the younger members of aristocratic families.

Frankly, I see the lack of children in a household growing up as a problem. You don’t learn to live with others at a young age. You don’t always learn to be self-sufficient, either. The support system as you age is limited. That all feeds into being controllable.

God said be fruitful and multiply. There are reasons for that.

GA/FL

There are times when I don’t get what you are getting at….

Gail Combs

“…If Hitler said “sick people are a problem for socialism”, I would say YES – I AGREE,  👉 THEY ARE A PROBLEM FOR SOCIALISM 👈 .….”

Wolfie is agreeing with Hilter’s frame of reference.

Socialism and Communism (and Feudalism) are much less productive systems because there is little to no reward for increased productivity and innovation as there is under capitalism. THUS those systems CAN NOT AFFORD to support any non-workers. Under capitalism, we produced enough excess that we CAN support the sick and elderly.

GA/FL

The ideas laid out on the Guidestones were designed to be an intentional and deliberate affront to GOD – substituting 10 man’s thoughts and ideas for the 10 Commandments – a refusal to humbly submit and surrender to GOD’s Word and Will – placing their own ideas above GOD. They are not even a paraphrase, not even congruent with GOD’s Word. They are like when Cain did his own thing, did not follow the priestly pattern of the blood sacrifice for sin, and then got mad because GOD didn’t approve and killed Abel who did follow GOD.

GA/FL

LOVE YOU, WOLFIE! ALWAYS – you are the best host of a blog that GOD ever made, to paraphrase our man Trump. Sending you and your bride blessings and love – and deepest gratitude!

GA/FL

Forgot to tell you – I visited the Guidestones when I was a student at UGA, before I was a Christian – even then, they creeped me out….the audacity of their grandiose plans for the world.

Cuppa Covfefe

One only has to look at Jesus, who sought out and healed the sick, by the thousands. That is the answer right there.

Socialism, in truth, is ANTI-SOCIAL…

Gail Combs

Marxism was a Gigantic HOAX. The biggest one played on mankind and the most evil.

TheseTruths

Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.

IMO, the word “maintain” is a big problem. If we think life would be nicer if there were less crowding, fewer real estate developments, and more natural landscapes, that’s one thing. But “maintain” implies that someone is orchestrating it, and that violates principles of individual freedom and, for some, religious belief.

And even the idea of people individually, and then as a whole, deciding to have fewer children feeds into the globalist agenda. They started indoctrinating people with this idea decades ago. I don’t trust anything they say because I know their deeds result in evil. So I wouldn’t say I agree with this “guide” because we can’t walk hand in hand with evil while fighting it.

Valerie Curren

So I wouldn’t say I agree with this “guide” because we can’t walk hand in hand with evil while fighting it.

Beautifully said!

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Well, so long as we’re pissing on the environmentalists as collateral damage from the population bomb people (the groups overlap but are not identical):

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Gail Combs

Steve, please distinguish between Conservationists (me) and EnvionMENTALists (Commies) and while we are at it Animal RIGHTS Activists (Humans are nothing but animals with the same less worth) vs Animal welfare types who want humane treatment of the animals we eat.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I distinguish, by using the word conservationist when I mean conservationist.

You are right, though: This offends genuine conservationist sensitivities–who finds an abandoned open pit mine appealing? Even with a pond in the bottom that is a really vibrant shade of green or blue due to who-knows-what ions in it. Consider it a backlash from the Mentalist, and realize this offends them a LOT more than it offends you.

A lot of conservationists don’t realize how much harm the Mentalists do their cause.

Gail Combs

Copper maybe?

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I don’t know, it could be literally anything…those transition metals.

But I know the important bit: DON’T drink it. Don’t even stick your finger in it.

Gail Combs

YUP!!!

We cavers would NOT GO IN MINES.

Correction. Except for Dave. He was a geologist who worked for a mining company.

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Cuppa Covfefe

They didn’t want to contribute to the delinquency of a miner 😀

Gail Combs

ESPECIALLY that miner!!! 😬 

Cuppa Covfefe

What key do you get when someone digging coal slips and falls down the shaft?

A flat miner… 🙂

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

A sour note, indeed.

Cuppa Covfefe

He was quite depressed, after all…

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Wouldn’t you be, if you had got the shaft like he did?

GA/FL

Remembering what the EPA environmentalists did to the Animus River.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3187787/River-turned-yellow-blown-plug-causes-1-million-gallons-toxic-waste-leak-disused-mine.html

Environmentalists and government agencies often create more problems than they solve. Remember what the EPA did to the Animus River? 

EPA’s Toxic Disaster: River Has 12,000 TIMES Acceptable Lead Level
https://www.offthegridnews.com/current-events/epas-toxic-disaster-river-has-12000-times-acceptable-lead-level/
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Cuppa Covfefe

P eople
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A nimals

I LOVE animals, they taste great!

Funny, too, how words have changed meanings over the years, in particular at the urging/forcing of the left. One example would be about Bill and Dave (Hewlett and Packard, respectively). They were VERY strong conservationists, which resulted in them purchasing “Little Basin” park for HP Employees to use (Carly got rid of it… :x). They also were very public/community-minded, which back in the day (1930s) was described as “liberal”, as in kind, generous, supportive. Nothing at all like what “liberal” has devolved into these days…

I have “Dave Porter”, “Tom Swift”, and other books dating from 1903 and thereabouts which use some of these terms (and also spell today as to-day, gasoline as gasolene, etc.), and it shows a VERY different world as compared to now… sigh…..

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Apparently there was a second Tom Swift series published in the 1940s possibly into the 1970s. Those were fairly easy to find when I was a kid (but not as ubiquitous as the Hardy Boys). I was a huge fan of them.

Turns out my Dad knew of them…but he remembered one I had not heard of before (a motorcycle–quaint, next to rockets and nuclear powered VTOL aircraft)–he was thinking of the first series, which I had not known about up until then.

There were five or six of that second series I never did manage to get my hands on.

Cuppa Covfefe

Tom Swift and his motorcycle, Tom Swift and his electric runabout (lots of “fun” for Mr. Damon), Tom Swift and his Sky Train….

And then there were Eradicate and Koku…. neither character would likely be “allowed” to-day…..

Look up the Edward Stratemeyer “empire” (fiction factory). A lot of eye-opening infos emerge, including multiple authors using the same pen-neame, etc. Still, they were really good books. I got the first four of the Dave Porter Series, but there were 15 or 16 in all (drat). Then again, a lot of them and their contemporaries have been scanned in (Gutenberg Project, etc.). Lots of patriotic historical novels aimed at youth of the day (early 1900s) that would be ignored today with BLM, Cancel Culture, and CRT ruling the day (I still think of Cathode Ray Tube when I see that acronym).

There was a bookstore in Downtown Oakland, with branches in SF, Berkeley, and somewhere farther north. They were legendary, and had wonderful old books, sometimes ancient ones. They finally closed shop just a few years ago… seems kindle and the like (and lack of readers, anymore) killed them…

Somewhere (probably in the US in a family members’ storage) is a book of political cartoons my Dad bought there, dating back to Lincoln’s time, if not before. Then there’s “Read ’em And Weep”, a book of tear-jerker tunes IIRC… I think the English are much better at keeping historical books around, even American books. Hence set one’s watch back one hour and two hundred years when visiting from the continent 🙂

cthulhu

The Tom Swift, jr. series. Had about 60 books in it, IIRC. I donated my set to the library when I went off to college. It also was missing a few.

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SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Thirty Three, according to Wikipedia and closely matching my recollection.

I was never able to find about five of the books over about a decade of searching (and the two that are now in the public domain aren’t among the five). I don’t remember well now, but I believe #2, #5, #26, and #27 were among them (going from the list of titles at wikipoo). A bookshop downtown that carried loads of children’s books never had them. I have no idea what I did with mine, sold them or gave them away or what-have-you.

cthulhu

Of course, there is no current “Tom Swift” series because it would include “Tom Swift and His Massive World of Warcraft Score” or suchlike.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I found a site with pictures of the covers, and eight of them look unfamiliar to me (5, 9, 10, 24, 26, 28, 30, 31) though it’s possible in some cases memory has faded.

I was dead wrong about #27..as soon as I saw the cover I realized that’s the one where he did the deep sea aquarium–the title was totally off the wall from what I remembered about the book.

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cthulhu

I’m wondering if Elon Musk grew up with these.

Is #3 “Tom Swift and His Rocket Ship (1954)” the predecessor of SpaceX? Did #5 “Tom Swift and His Atomic Earth Blaster (1954)” become The Boring Company? Is #9 “Tom Swift on the Phantom Satellite (1956)” the source of Starlink?

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I don’t know, but I suspect #5 was deliberately suppressed. It’s one of the ones I never could get my hands on and one of the things i read said that some of the lower numbers had been reissued much later as paperbacks, and #6 was renumbered as #5 and retitled.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Holy crap…I used Wikipoo. I was right about “my” series being second series and yours being first…but there have now been SIX of them

Second series is “Tom Swift, Jr” implying his father was the Tom Swift of the first series. I have no idea if there’s enough consistency there.

Cuppa Covfefe

Yep. And the author of the second series is (supposedly) Victor Appleton Jr. Or one of Stratemeyer’s stable of authors…

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Just quickly scanning Wikipoo–Victor Appleton (and II) was a pseudonym; about six different real authors ghost wrote the second series.

Cuppa Covfefe

Yep. That’s what I meant about Edward Stratemeyer’s stable of authors. Stratemeyer would outline a book, explain to the prospective author about where it fit in the series, and the intro, etc., and then farm it out. And that covered “Frank Dixon”, “Laura Lee Hope”, “Victor Appleton (i, II, etc.)”, “Edward Stratemeyer”, and others…

Factory-written books. Sad to say, there was neither a real Frank Dixon nor a real Laura Lee Hope (Bobbsey Twins)…

Still, I liked the books anyway. And the quality of writing was much better back then…

Another interesting exercise is to get different editions of the same book, e.g. various years of a “Hardy Boys” mystery. Although they said they updated the books, they also cut them down because “they were too long for today’s readers”… Dumbing down rears its ugly head…..

I have a link (and some text) of a great article about Stratemeyer on another PC… I’ll try to dig it up… if it boots 🙂

Valerie Curren

I loved the Bobbsey Twins books as a kid & the Boxcar Children!

singularzoe

I think there is something huge that Wolf and other people cannot grasp. You keep wanting to imagine you understand the motives of Mr. Global and the people at the top. I don’t think so. You try to put yourself in the shoes of these people so you can “understand.” You can’t. According to Catherine Austin Fitts, those of the “Mr. Global” ilk don’t even consider me, or you, or any of us as belonging to the same species, and that’s just not something we can fully grasp. They plan to kill most of us and enslave the rest. That is the stark truth, and it’s hard for us to face it, let alone grasp it. And they are EVIL.

RDS

You may well be correct. And it may be that even “Mr. Global” has ** someone ** above him. Either way, “Mr. Global” and his ilk regard anybody not on “their level” as almost, if not literally, “sub-human.”

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Or, if not sub human, just too ignorant to know what is best for us. So we need a benevolent guiding hand.

Pardon me while I vomit.

singularzoe

Or more like, they think They are “trans-human” or they have evolved or through techno are beyond us, a different species for them to cull and enslave.

TheseTruths

Yes. Some people believe that *their* motives are good. They even think that, even if the means to achieve those ends results in death, disfigurement, and ruined lives, the perpetrators of all that think they are doing “the greater good.”

My question is, who gets to decide what the greater good is for the rest of us? Scripture tells us to be fruitful and multiply. What mere human has the right to tell someone who wants to have a lot of children that they shouldn’t, because of the “greater good”? Who thinks they know better than God himself?

I can’t say that I know the motives of Bill Gates, Fauci, and the rest. I only know that, if the means to the goal involves killing innocent people, then it is time to rethink the goal. Any credit for good motives stops right there, for me.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Over in secular land, there’s a common philosophy known as “utilitarianism” which basically takes as its ethical measuring rod “the greatest good for the greatest number.” Which means if it will do a billion people a lot of good, it’s OK to exterminate a million–a net gain, after all.

Even aside from the fact that such a philosophy can be, and has been, used to justify atrocities, the next issue becomes how to evaluate courses of action and compare them with each other. Obviously, if you’re going to follow this philosophy, someone has to make the final determination. With utilitarianism it turns out to be a dictator.

But many other philosophies have the same structural problem, they (implicitly) require an arbiter. Unfortunately many religions have this issue, and they lay it upon whatever priesthood they have. [Which is why I am glad Christianity is very decentralized; a politically powerful priesthood would be a bad thing–looked at from your point of view, they can stray from Truth and implement something unGodly and you’ve got to accept it anyway; looked at from mine, they never knew any kind of truth, they’re holier-than-thou tyrannical jackasses, and I have to accept it anyway–result is the same.]

TheseTruths

a politically powerful priesthood would be a bad thing–looked at from your point of view, they can stray from Truth and implement something unGodly and you’ve got to accept it anyway

I think I understand your point, but even if there were a centralized hierarchy in Christianity that everyone was supposed to obey, people are ultimately accountable to God. No one is required to follow those who stray from truth and implement something ungodly, which would be heresy.

Gail Combs

IIRC at one point the laity was forbidden to read the bible.

Pope Innocent III stated in 1199:

… to be reproved are those who translate into French the Gospels, the letters of Paul, the psalter, etc. They are moved by a certain love of Scripture in order to explain them clandestinely and to preach them to one another. The mysteries of the faith are not to explained rashly to anyone. Usually in fact, they cannot be understood by everyone but only by those who are qualified to understand them with informed intelligence. The depth of the divine Scriptures is such that not only the illiterate and uninitiated have difficulty understanding them, but also the educated and the gifted (Denzinger-Schönmetzer, Enchiridion Symbolorum 770-771)

Source: Bridging the Gap – Lectio Divina, Religious Education, and the Have-not’s by Father John Belmonte, S.J.

2) COUNCIL OF TOULOUSE – 1229 A.D.

The Council of Toulouse, which met in November of 1229, about the time of the crusade against the Albigensians, set up a special ecclesiastical tribunal, or court, known as the Inquisition (Lat. inquisitio, an inquiry), to search out and try heretics. Twenty of the forty-five articles decreed by the Council dealt with heretics and heresy. It ruled in part:

Canon 1. We appoint, therefore, that the archbishops and bishops shall swear in one priest, and two or three laymen of good report, or more if they think fit, in every parish, both in and out of cities, who shall diligently, faithfully, and frequently seek out the heretics in those parishes, by searching all houses and subterranean chambers which lie under suspicion. And looking out for appendages or outbuildings, in the roofs themselves, or any other kind of hiding places, all which we direct to be destroyed.

Canon 14. We prohibit also that the laity should be permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament; unless anyone from motive of devotion should wish to have the Psalter or the Breviary for divine offices or the hours of the blessed Virgin; but we most strictly forbid their having any translation of these books. (Source: Heresy and Authority in Medieval Europe, Scolar Press, London, England pp. 194-195)

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/was-bible-possesion-banned-by-the-catholic-church.7840095/

TheseTruths

Yes, and that was wrong. Nothing in Scripture says to do this. No Christian principle allows this.

The depth of the divine Scriptures is such that not only the illiterate and uninitiated have difficulty understanding them, but also the educated and the gifted

Wrong.

2 Timothy 3:15
And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Gail Combs

I use that as an example of WHY having “…a politically powerful priesthood would be a bad thing….”

And not because I agree with it.

TheseTruths

I understand. 👍🏼

Deplorable Patriot

This is so misunderstood.

We are not permitted to have unapproved translations. People were translating themselves, which is not permitted, and sin of pride to think that one could do so without access to the full set of resources. It’s done by Scripture Scholars with full access to the Deposit of Faith as well as the Founders and Church Doctors, in which the laity is not well versed.

We’ve never been denied the ability to read Scripture if we actually could read. Not everyone could. That’s why Bible scenes are in the art of Christendom.

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TheseTruths

We are not permitted to have unapproved translations.

It appears that they were prohiubited from having any translation.

Canon 14. We prohibit also that the laity should be permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament; unless anyone from motive of devotion should wish to have the Psalter or the Breviary for divine offices or the hours of the blessed Virgin; but we most strictly forbid their having any translation of these books. 

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Boom!!!

Dictators in cassocks.

Great find!

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Gail Combs

Remember READING was not universal and books were rare.

A saying found in old romance novels was:

  • First Son inherits the Title and the land.
  • Second Son goes into the Army (In England you have to BUY a commission)
  • Third Son goes into the CHURCH.

What better way to control the serfs than to tell them the Kings have a DIVINE RIGHT to rule over them?

If you read Chaucer’s Canterbury Tales, he has nothing but CONTEMPT for the people in the Church except for the lowly village Priest.

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GA/FL

Old saying – ‘The road to hell is paved with the skulls of Bishops’

Gail Combs

Yes!

The Christian Faith and The Church ARE NOT THE SAME! (People keep forgetting that.)

We have seen recently how EVIL men have infiltrated our churches of various denominations in order to SUBVERT Christians.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

It is one thing to claim that the laity didn’t have scripture because they couldn’t read it anyway. It’s another for it to turn out they would be forbidden to have copies, whether or not they could read it.

Gail Combs

Canon 14. We prohibit also that the laity should be permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament; unless anyone from motive of devotion should wish to have the Psalter or the Breviary for divine offices or the hours of the blessed Virgin; but we most strictly forbid their having any translation of these books. 

This seems pretty straight forward:

We prohibit also that the laity should be permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament

The EXCEPTION is:

the Psalter or the Breviary for divine offices or the hours of the blessed Virgin…

for the reason stated:

….from motive of devotion

AND it MUST be in LATIN!

…we most strictly forbid their having any translation of these books. 

Or do they mean THE ORIGINAL?

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

The Latin is, itself, a translation and I sure as heck wouldn’t consider it a primary authority.

The New Testament was originally written in Greek (no, not Aramaic as some claim), and the Old in Hebrew, though by the time of Jesus many were reading *it* in a Greek translation called the Septuagint.

Valerie Curren

Latin wasn’t the original language of Any of the scriptures!

Valerie Curren

Thanks Gail. Amazing history. Unconscionable, ungodly, & unbiblical!!!

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

True, but better not to have to fight them…especially if they have dictatorial powers.

Valerie Curren

looked at from your point of view, they can stray from Truth and implement something unGodly and you’ve got to accept it anyway; looked at from mine, they never knew any kind of truth, they’re holier-than-thou tyrannical jackasses, and I have to accept it anyway–result is the same.]

funny but I’m more aligned with your view on this one!

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Perhaps.

But when I said “They never knew any kind of truth” I mean that they never did so because Christianity is, from my point of view, simply not true–you can’t get to “true” by that route, even “correctly” followed (whatever that could possibly mean).

Given that understanding of what I meant, I doubt we’re all that closely aligned even if we have nearly the same attitude towards those *particular* people.

Valerie Curren

Fair enough. I do believe the scripture that says that Jesus is the way, the truth, & the life…& the light, as stated elsewhere.

I believe that All Truth comes from God, whether we acknowledge Him or not. Where do you think Truth comes from?

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Well there is the Big T Truth, which apparently is imbued with some mystical connection over and above mere truth.

A statement is true if it corresponds to reality. That doesn’t “come from” anywhere; a statement corresponds to reality or it doesn’t.

I suppose if I wanted to start talking about (Big) truth, it would be facts that explain other facts, fundamental facts, or perhaps even integrations like realizing _why_ communism cannot work (you have to dig a bit for that one, not just look at communist countries and see they’re all crappy places). In fact _why_ truths, once that have explanatory power rather than are just factual statements, are ones I’d be tempted to put a T on.

Valerie Curren

Very interesting.

I agree that truth would be ultimately factually accurate.

I thought the left/libs/commies always claim that the only reason the commie countries turn out to be crap holes is because they haven’t done Communism the “right” or pure way.

So would your T truth be somewhat akin to “absolute truth”? I’m genuinely curious because there are many aspects of the person that you appear to be (how you reason & express yourself) that don’t seem very far from a balanced biblical viewpoint. Not that many examples of “balanced biblical viewpoints” are easy to come by outside of the Q-Tree & Marica’s 🙂

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

“Absolute truth” is another slippery term, especially since the whole concept has been abused so much by *secular* philosophers, who seem unable to parse “a true statement is one that corresponds to reality” without jumping through hoops trying to deny that there is a reality, or that if there is, it’s inaccessible to us somehow (see Plato and his noumenal realm). They’ll talk about “intrinsic” this and that, and they and I aren’t in the same book, much less on the same page. I believe if you want to know what is or is not true about the world, you have to investigate it with your mind and your senses (or be willing to accept others’ results provisionally, or you’d spend your whole life rediscovering that fire burns and it’s a bad idea to play in the street). This is a far cry from people who believe in a *revealed* truth (almost all religions), and certainly a far cry from those who believe that, fundamentally, there’s no such thing as truth except what we somehow *invent* to be true (the average Leftist, if you can get him to think about such things rather than where his next free shit is coming from).

I’m even uneasy about using “truth” in this context, because I know that to you it has mystical connotations it simply doesn’t have for me.

Valerie Curren

Interesting. I don’t usually think about things in a mystical kind of way, but then perhaps I’m a “bad” version of a Christian!

When it comes to scripture & claimed “truth”, like from the pulpit, I am constantly being quite skeptical & analyzing whatever is stated against scripture as I can recall & understand it. “Let God be true & every man a liar” is informing my skepticism, especially in light of teachings of those who purport to speak on God’s behalf.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

What I mean by mystical, or course, is colored by how I view things. But what I meant here was people personifying truth as Truth, and equating it to Christ. Which I think I remember you doing earlier in this conversation.

But one thing stuck out for me that you said a couple of times ago, when you said something like “truth usually does correspond to reality.” I can’t for the life of me figure out how it couldn’t, since a statement that *doesn’t* correspond with reality is not true.

(This is separate from the issue of whether someone believes the statement to be true. Of course I could make a mistaken statement; it’s false, but I didn’t lie, and depending on what it is, it’s possible it won’t be known false in my lifetime.)

In other words, when I read that, I had to wonder what kind of “truth” could possibly not correspond to reality; it’s like talking about pure gold that is a green, gooey substance–whatever it is, it ain’t gold!

Valerie Curren

I think that there is truth & reality beyond our ability to (easily) perceive it. You touch on some of it w/ your posts explaining things in space, things that we cannot perceive with our naked eyes, & things whose meanings are often beyond most of our comprehension, apart from your excellent explanations 😉

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

The key thing though, is that all of it is *perceptible* by senses. To be sure, we construct *artificial* senses (which we then need our real senses to read), but ultimately all of our real knowledge of the world comes to us through our senses; we use our minds to integrate what we see into concepts and we work to understand how things behave.

All of it…via the senses. There is no other way to get real information into our consciousnesses.