“We do not believe any group of men adequate enough or wise enough to operate without scrutiny or without criticism. We know that the only way to avoid error is to detect it, that the only way to detect it is to be free to inquire. We know that in secrecy error undetected will flourish and subvert.” –J. Robert Oppenheimer
This man, making Christmas calls from the White House, believes the world is a sphere. And he has even flown around it! So has our beautiful FLOTUS, who happens to be his wife!
Truth and common sense must be valued by us, as individuals, in order to lastingly disempower the authoritarian fake news media. This includes the perniciously smarmy science media, which never answers for its errors and lies. I believe that the media has been responsible not only for leftist pathologies like scientism, medical fascism, and radical gender ideology, but also for reactionary movements like modern flat Earth, rejection of all medicine, and Biblical geological literalism.
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The source of alleged truth matters, not for the truth itself, but for validation.
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Why Current Electric Vehicles Suck As “Reliable” Transportation – And What Might Be Done About It
We were discussing electric vehicles here, when Aubergine made an important point – quite bluntly, the superiority of internal combustion engines at simply getting the job done.
Dude, I live in Montana. Until an electric vehicle reliably runs in -20 degrees, can go several hundred miles without a charge, and can be easily repaired in the middle of a wheat field, they are not going to work here.
Gasoline and diesel engines are practical, EVs are not.
Some of this is inherent to the technology. Gasoline and diesel oil doesn’t lose energy availability at low temperatures, but batteries DO. This is a well-established problem with electric vehicles (EVs).
Note Aubergine’s point about “easily repaired in the middle of a wheat field” – and just consider the simple “repair” of bringing a gallon or two of gasoline to a vehicle which has run out of gas. Yes, there are electrical options – but the equivalent of walking for a gallon of gas isn’t one of them. The closest thing is calling in a jumper truck instead of a tow truck. This shows how much convenience is given up by leaving the simple, long-solved convenience of the internal combustion engine.
But it gets worse.
Barkerjimposted a link to a really great analysis, showing why EVs will NEVER be “quick fill-ups” using the current technology.
ChiCom-sponsored brag science is claiming they have a new battery that can basically solve all the problems of EV batteries. The oh-so-trustworthy Huawei is saying the battery can give ranges of 1800 miles and a 5-minute recharge.
Really?
You mean THIS stuff is solved?
Sorry – not really.
The reality is quite problematic, and Willis Eschenbach explains why.
But, as usual, reality is hiding out in the fine print, ducking the spotlight while the PR machine does its victory lap. Nobody wants to talk about physics. Nobody asks how, exactly, you’re supposed to pour Niagara Falls through a garden hose.
Left unsaid in all of that is the fact that that cable is NOT very flexible. So you’re going to have to park far away from the charger just to have enough flex in the cable to be able to attach it to your car. And it will still take two hours to charge your car because it’s only 1/24th of what you need.
The reason this problem doesn’t already exist at supercharging stations is that the car is only charging up for 300 miles, not 1800 miles.
This is where my mind typically gets BIOS-booted back into “utter basics of batteries” mode – where we just look at the chemistry of “redox” – meaning “oxidation and reduction”.
Rust, fire, human metabolism, copper cleanser, and batteries, are all examples of redox. Oxidation and reduction is what batteries do, only with rerouting of the electrons into an electrically useful pathway, instead of “just heat”. The battery is an ingenious perversion of fire, one might say.
And yet, this.
Batteries are – fundamentally – just chemical reactions. And that has consequences.
Interestingly, the inverse is also true.
Direct chemical reactions can be viewed as ultimately short-circuited, failing batteries.
And it gets bigger. Planet sized, in fact.
The biosphere on Earth is a kind of giant, solar-charging battery. Plants are the key – the thing that makes the battery, resulting in biocarbon and oxygen. Land plants store the energy as wood and oxygen.
The oxygen part of the battery encompasses the entire planet, which is a bit of a mind-blower, and has some amazing implications. The wood part of the battery may degrade to coal or petroleum, but either way, sunlight creates a giant charged battery. That battery can then discharge through FIRE. And, that fire can be converted to electricity.
California could take advantage of this giant battery, and turn its wood problem into money, but under intellectual “progressive” lightweights like Gavin Newsom, that can’t happen. Sad.
The internal combustion engine is the same, only it uses really old wood. AND – in a strange sense – it’s like an EV that works through battery discharge of heat, and not by any direct electrical intervention.
Now that I’ve loosened up your mind a bit about what is a battery and what is a chemical reaction, let’s look at why internal combustion is such a great type of EV.
Can We Use The Great Oxygen Battery Component?
For one thing, the internal combustion battery takes advantage of atmospheric oxygen as the “oxidant” part of the battery. That is a huge part of the battery weight that does not have to be hauled around. That part of the battery is already wherever you want to be.
Likewise, the discharged part of the battery (CO2 and H2O) is simply ejected into the shared global atmospheric battery, where these substances can be recycled by the solar generator (plants) and converted back into wood and oxygen.
Yeah, take a moment to savor the beauty of what God hath wrought through “just” the Schroedinger equation and the periodic table!
BEAUTY PAUSE.
Ok, back to stuff.
If we’re going to stick with lithium (or similar) batteries, the electrical vehicle is always going to be stuck with hauling ALL of the battery around. Both the oxidant and the reducing agent are going for the ride. And THAT includes the “used” oxidant and reducing agent. The full battery – even the discharged stuff – is going for the full ride, and is being hauled around by the good stuff.
SO – my first point – is that it sure would be nice if the EV battery could use oxygen as the oxidizing agent.
JUST SAYIN’.
This needs research, and isn’t a quick fix. But it offers future possibilities.
So setting that ambitious point aside, let’s go back to the points made by Willis and SteveInCO.
Can We Make Electricity Delivery Fast Like Gasoline?
How can we make gas service station stops SHORT and SWEET?
IMO, moving back toward a SHARED BATTERY like the atmosphere can work in several ways other than oxygen. One way would be to make the fuel something that you can just load into the car quickly and drive away. If car batteries were more like rechargeable device batteries – meaning they just slid in and out of vehicles – then energy stops would pretty much be as fast as racing pit stops, if one needed a fresh, charged battery. Just swap batteries and move on down the road.
With a scheme like this, the infrastructure for charging batteries could be located either in service stations, or nearby. Charging on the road becomes something that is done away from the consumer, except when home charging.
Note also that “swap-in” battery units can be very smart and the latest tech. The latest battery tech becomes a lot like the grade of the gasoline. Even better, the battery becomes something that can change technologies quickly, evolving faster than the vehicles themselves.
Battery units can be “self-warming” to get maximum energy release. They can be delivered warm and ready to work on the coldest day. They can keep themselves warm, as needed. They become their own thing – less of a concern for most drivers.
My most important point, however, has nothing to do with the chemistry or electrical technology.
Let All Batteries Fight It Out
To recover the innovation of “non-gasoline batteries”, we have to AVOID both unnecessary regulations and subsidies. Let these technologies compete, so that they can evolve. It is my contention that subsidies have distorted the technology of electric vehicles. EVs are not convenient in certain ways, because the “technosphere” of EVs had one focus of its geometry moved too close to individuals and their homes, due to subsidies administered through individuals.
That approach worked for a while, but it has led to technology which has limited the growth of EVs, and has held EVs back from being the industry that they could have been. Microsoft – for all its problems – knew that it had to create an ecosystem around itself, and let other forces drive significant parts of that ecosystem. EVs need to do the same. Off-loading “batteries” and “battery service” into largely separate industries that others can monetize and innovate in, could be the right move here.
Let gas and coal compete – and at all levels of organization! IMO, coal-powered vehicles like Teslas have a great future, especially as nuclear-powered vehicles. However, they will need to go through growing pains.
As Trump likes to say…..
Thank you for your attention to this matter (and energy)!
We continue our review of Pennsylvania’s signers of the Declaration of Independence. First, let’s ask a couple of questions like which would be the better city to be called the “cradle of liberty” – Boston or Philadelphia?
A better question is what the heck happened to Philadelphia over the nearly 250 years since that point? The “city of brotherly love” has been anything but that for a very long time. However, in the development of our nation leading up to and immediately after the Revolutionary War, it really could be considered a cradle of liberty as well as the city of brotherly love. However, that is not the focus of this section.
To lead off today’s part I am giving my top five things I find interesting about Philly in no certain order.
Obviously in a series like this one we go first with Philly’s iconic symbol for freedom – the Liberty Bell.
Second, there another famous, important center and museum; the National Constitution Center.
The Declaration and Constitution are why we are here in this great country. The center is complete with a theater that shows Freedom Rising, life size statues of its signers, all sorts of multimedia exhibits as well as period artifacts. Cool place. Below is info about the center,
Third we have the home of famous trans swimmer, Lia Thomas. The University of Pennsylvania of Ivy League fame had origins as the College of Philadelphia during the incubation of the Independence movement as we know from past stories about other signers. Its founder and first president was B. Franklin, Printer. B had a new building completed for the Philadelphia Academy, the precursor school that eventually became Penn. He also put it to use for evangelical preacher George Whitefield to conduct revivals, focusing on the young people and students in the area.
Now, it is known internationally for encouraging women sports to be infested with sexual deviants and perverts. In the attempt they had their azzes handed to them by POTUS Trump; one of the school’s most famous alums as a 1968 graduate of their Wharton School with a B. S. in Economics, along with other members of his immediate family. Going woke has consequences. The patriot founding fathers that attended the school are probably trying to dig out of their graves and handle the restoration of Penn the same way they handled the Brits.
Could not resist using the mug shot.
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Fourth, we watch the most iconic modern day Philly scene ever!
For what it is worth, the building in the background is the Philadelphia Museum of Art. Below is a good primer if you ever decide to visit.
Finally, the most important culinary gift Philly has given to America is shown below.
B approves…
Enough with the preliminaries, it is on with the show. We focus on one of the “big dogs” (like B) of the patriot founding fathers.
Robert Morris
We need to spend some time digging into the life of the founding father who is referenced as the “Financier of the American Revolution”, Robert Morris. He is one of the few who signed the Declaration, Articles of Confederation, and the Constitution. However, this story will be like a roller coaster ride at times and I am only hitting some of the primary information and events. Readers may want to look at any number of articles on the web that provide more detail as he was involved in so many activities that it would take too long to summarize them all here.
Morris was born in 1734 and raised for his first thirteen years in Liverpool, England. He was the child of Robert Morris, Sr. and mother, Elizabeth. Elizabeth died when he was two years old. He was raised by his maternal grandmother and his father immigrated to America in 1738 to work as a tobacco sales agent. At age fourteen, young Robert left to join his father in America in Oxford, MD. Morris, Sr. became very successful and was the author of a tobacco inspection law to reduce fraud that passed against strong opposition. He was known to be the first to keep his accounts in money as compared to the usual gallons, pounds, etc.
Upon young Morris’ arrival in 1748, he was tutored for a year by local minister, William Gordon. He soon left to live with a friend of his father’s in Philadelphia where he apprenticed in the merchant shipping business of wealthy Charles Willing as a clerk. When his father died in 1750, he was alone with no family in America at the age of sixteen. The death of his father was bizarre as described below from the Descendants site:
“In 1750 Robert Morris, Sr. gave a dinner party on board one of the ships of the company. As he left the ship in a small boat, a farewell salute was fired from the ship and wadding from the shot burst through the side of the boat and severely injured him. As a result of the accident, he died of blood poisoning on July 12, 1750.“
Young Robert continued his work there and was promoted up the ranks until becoming a full partner in 1757 with Charles Willing’s son, Thomas. Through the years Morris became wealthy and one of the most respected citizens in Philly. In 1769 at age 35 he married 20 year old Mary White, the daughter of a wealthy lawyer and land owner. They soon had the first of seven children together, which included future Congressman Thomas Morris. They worshipped at Anglican Christ Church in Philly with Benjamin Franklin. However, that did not prevent Robert from fathering a daughter, Polly, out of wedlock in 1763. However, he provided for her well into adulthood as he did a young son of his father’s, a half brother.
He served with Benjamin Franklin in the Pennsylvania State Assembly in 1775. He was then chosen to be a representative to the Continental Congress and as a member in the Secret Committee, which was assigned to procure weapons and munitions. He also served on the Committee of Secret Correspondence, which attempted to secure alliances with foreign nations. His shipping company was used frequently by the Congress. It is interesting to note that Morris was not in favor of independence until forced to making a decision AFTER its approval to sign the document. He did not vote at all. He feared the result may be anarchy and preferred reconciliation with Great Britain if they would back down from their oppressive tax acts. After Declaration approval he chose to sign and from that point on gave all of his support to the cause for independence.
He left public service in 1779 after accusations of misconduct only to return at the request of Congress to be the nation’s Superintendent of Finance, a role he held from 1781 to 1784. After the non-founded accusations, he had two demands that needed to be met for him to return and take the role. The first was he was to be given unilateral authority to dismiss any treasury employee. The second was he would be able to maintain his merchant relationships while in service to the country. His value was affirmed when Congress agreed to both conditions. In the same time frame he was made Agent of Marine, which gave him control of the Continental Navy.
He then set sights on doing what needed to be done to improve the finances of the developing nation that was hamstrung by debts of war. He informed Washington that he would do all he could to make sure the funding was available. His optimism was met by reluctant state governments. He was able to get all but Rhode Island to agree to taxation. Under the rules of the Articles of Confederation he needed all states to agree to his request, so the effort died.
As a result he focused his efforts on creating a national bank to help address the lack of funds. He was able to get Congress to agree in 1781 and he opened it in 1782. It was a privately owned bank, funded by subscribers, and regulated by investors. It provided a means to use the invested capital to improve access to funding government debt. He sought a national mint for a central currency, but that was postponed by Congress.
It was Robert Morris who recommended to Washington that Alexander Hamilton take the role over the treasury when he was ready to leave. It was Hamilton who went on to establish the national bank and mint that Morris promoted years before. The respect between the two was awesome, but even that was not more than the incredible intelligence and analytical abilities with regards to the Treasury and the situation with the young nation. Below is a letter written from Hamilton to Morris in 1781. It is long, detailed, and covers a myriad of subjects that interrelate with the Treasury role from the period. If you really want to understand the depth of intelligence and commitment within these founding fathers as well as many others, read it.
The valediction of the letter describes the mentoring and advising relationship well in my opinion.
“I have spun out this letter to a much greater lenght than I intended. To develope the whole connection of my ideas on the subject and place my plan in the clearest light I have indulged myself in many observations which might have been omitted. I shall not longer intrude upon you[r] patience than to assure you of the sincere sentiments of esteem with which I have the honor to be Sir Your most Obedient and humble servant
Alx Hamilton
April 30th. 81″
In his time Morris totally reorganized the treasury. He appointed tax collectors for each state who would prepare monthly financial reports and publish them in the newspapers for the public to see and keep pressure on the state governments. All of his work also helped build trust with foreign allies and those who provided products and services to the government during the war period.
Despite all of his good works for America, however, he began to make unwise decisions with his personal investment choices. While still in his treasury role in 1782 he began speculating on land purchases with John Nicholson, the comptroller of the state along with James Greenleaf, the former American consul to the Dutch Republic. They purchased millions of acres without any buyers or plans to repay loans. Over the years the debts increased while Morris also chose to build an opulent mansion for he and his family in Philly in the 1790’s. It was never completed and the cost contributed to his insolvency. The locals called it “Morris’s folly” as a representation of his downfall. His businesses and excessive land deals all began failing at the same time. It was like dominoes falling for years.
By 1798 patriot Declaration signer, Robert Morris, was sentenced to debtor’s prison. A fall from grace brought on primarily by pride, greed, and extravagance. Two years later a modified bankruptcy law was passed through the efforts of Thomas Jefferson and supporters. Morris was released and tried to return to business ventures without success as his reputation had been ruined.
In 1806 he passed away, a shell of his former self and in poverty. He is buried in the Christ Church cemetery. His wife lived until 1827 and survived on an annuity that had been provided to her through the efforts of Gouverneur Morris from a land sale.
Conclusion
Robert never went to school and was only tutored for one year, but his devotion to the education of citizens earned him the honor of having three elementary schools, a college, and a university named after him. His statue is located not only in DC at the mall, but near the Second National Bank in Philly. He and Mary’s friendship was so important to George and Martha Washington that they were frequently honored guests of theirs through the years. John Adams had the following to say about Robert’s time in the Continental Congress,
“I think he has a masterly understanding, an open temper, and an honest heart…He has vast designs in the mercantile way. And no doubt pursues mercantile ends, which are always gain, but he is an excellent member of the body.”
Again, the Robert Morris story goes far beyond what is provided here and there are many life lessons for all of us. There was his ownership of slaves for a time that led to his opposition to slavery as he aged; his contribution of ships to the Naval efforts and the named ships in his honor over the years that followed; how his enemies helped cause his debt downfall after he left public office that traced back to his work for the patriot cause in the Secret Committee; and so on.
It is a story of the highest highs and lowest lows. Of being feted by the first couple Washingtons to being drug through the muck by personal enemies and into poverty. He was praised and honored and then later in life labeled a fool by some of the very people who partially owed their independence to his personal efforts. He adhered to Christianity, yet fell to temptation outside the bounds of marriage. When faced with the result he did the honorable thing as well as when he took care of his much younger half brother when his father died. He held great position, status in society for a time, and was very successful in business; but it was not enough as he foolishly sought even more riches using huge sums of debt well beyond his capacity to repay. This caused great hardship and damaged his reputation as well as the futures of his wife and children.
None of the negative events and challenges he faced changes the truth that Robert Morris was a faithful patriot that provided great things to the Independence and establishment of our nation. Today, we proudly celebrate him as a founding father of America.
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delubrum
noun
font (receptacle in a church for holy water, especially one used in baptism)
temple or shrine
temple or shrine having a font
church with a font
sanctuary
place of purification
Used in a proper name in a quoted sentence
Delubrum Reginae [Final Fantasy game] has a lot of really fun things going on with it in the boss fights, some of which I’m looking forward to seeing more of in the future!
Shown in a picture
[Nabataean delubrum of the Siq al-Barid (Little Petra) in Jordan]
Shown [game] in a video that shows you how much of an alternate reality games have become
MUSIC!
History lesson!
THE STUFF
Newton takes on neutrons – and gets surprisingly good numbers!
This man, making Christmas calls from the White House, believes the world is a sphere. And he has even flown around it! So has our beautiful FLOTUS, who happens to be his wife!
Truth and common sense must be valued by us, as individuals, in order to lastingly disempower the authoritarian fake news media. This includes the perniciously smarmy science media, which never answers for its errors and lies. I believe that the media has been responsible not only for leftist pathologies like scientism, medical fascism, and radical gender ideology, but also for reactionary movements like modern flat Earth, rejection of all medicine, and Biblical geological literalism.
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The mass line was a political campaign style developed and used by Mao Zedong and the CCP in the People's Republic of China. It's a very common method for doing agitation and propaganda, as well as for driving radicalization ever since.
The name…
— James Lindsay, anti-Communist (@ConceptualJames) July 14, 2025
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Understanding the mass line.
The mass line was a political campaign style developed and used by Mao Zedong and the CCP in the People’s Republic of China. It’s a very common method for doing agitation and propaganda, as well as for driving radicalization ever since.
The name “mass line” suggests two possible meanings, and as it happens, the technique uses both. One is that the “mass line” is the line the masses are taking, and the other is that it’s the line being fed to the masses.
Here’s how it works.
The mass line begins by being extracted from the masses. Issues that are likely to agitate or incite them are determined by the propaganda office. The issues should be ones that are likely to invoke mass mobilization campaigns tapping a lot of negative, or sometimes positive, emotions (e.g., frustration, anger, fear, despair, or hope and enthusiasm).
These issues are then studied by the propaganda office to determine how they can be packaged, or codified, in terms of the party’s interests, ambitions, and interpretive frame.
These reframed inciting issues are then fed back to the masses in a mass line campaign, which runs reflexively to make it seem like it’s the current issue everyone is talking about and mobilizing around. The emotion under the mass line as it was extracted gets channeled into the mass line campaign as it benefits the party.
For example, the masses could be angry and frustrated that rents are too high and housing is unaffordable. The party would then recognize this reservoir of resentment in the people and would codify it by deciding it is caused by the landlords being too greedy and selfish. They would then feed this interpretation of the issue in a big-scale campaign back to the people with the goal of inciting and mobilizing them all at once. “Rents are too high because we have too many landlords who are greedy!”
The party will likely also package in a pre-determined solution pathway into the mass line because the point is often to get the people to demand the thing the party wants to do. They might add, “we need rent controls” or “we need state ownership of apartments.”
The mass line is then pushed with a vigorous campaign that makes it feel like the most important issue everyone is talking about, and one that has to be solved now, usually according to the line provided by the party. The masses are thereby mobilized to protest and demand what the party wanted in the first place. Their energy, which might be quite legitimate, is coopted to the party’s agenda.
That’s how the mass line works. Be on the lookout. We see them everywhere now.
PS:
For those who followed my explanations of Paulo Freire’s critical pedagogy, this is the same methodology applied to education, as Freire himself explains in Pedagogy of the Oppressed.
Gathering the mass line is finding the “generative themes,” which the educator then “codifies” and delivers back to the students in a “decodification” that interprets their circumstances for them to awaken critical consciousness and to inspire radical activism.
There are several different psychological methods used to manipulate the public. I think we have all heard of the Hegelian dialectic: Problem – Reaction – Solution. An excellent example is making schools ‘No Gun Zones’ via the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990. Followed by Facilitating school shootings and then scream we need to get rid of the 2nd Amendment Right to bear arms.
…since the days of Karl Marx and Frederick Engels it has been used as a guided process toward a desired end.
The objective of Hegelian dialectics in this sense is to replace something old with something new (e.g., capitalism with communism, traditional Bible doctrine with theological modernism, a traditional educational system based on moral absolutes with a new one based on relativism, an old age with a new).
Used like this, Hegelian dialectics cannot produce the new thing, but it can destroy the old. Other processes and techniques come into play in actually producing the new thing that is desired.
Hegelian dialectics is used today to create a “paradigm shift” by replacing an old “paradigm” (prevailing belief system) with a new one. It is a technique of “social evolution” and “political transcendence.”
It is not an innocent process. It is used by “change agents” and “facilitators of transformation.” Hegelian dialectics is “the framework for guiding our thoughts and actions into conflicts that lead us to a predetermined solution” (Niki Raapana and Nordica Friedrich, “What Is the Hegelian Dialectic?” October 2005, http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/dialectic.htm).
Speaking religiously and spiritually, it is an ever-evolving system that never arrives at absolute truth. All is relative and negotiable and the end justifies the means….
Another method we ran into during the Farm Wars was the Delphi Technique.
If you look that term up on Brave today the first three options you get:
In contrast with many other types of interviews and focus groups, Delphi studies allow participants to rethink and refine their opinions based on the input of others, contributing to a more reflective and thoughtful process.
The following key characteristics of the Delphi method help the participants to focus on the issues at hand and separate Delphi from other methodologies: in this technique a panel of experts is drawn from both inside and outside the organisation.
The Delphi technique is a systematic process of forecasting using the collective opinion of panel members. The structured method of developing consensus among panel members using Delphi methodology has gained acceptance in diverse fields of medicine. The Delphi methods assumed a pivotal role in the last few decades to develop best practice guidance using collective intelligence where research is limited, ethically/logistically difficult or evidence is conflicting….
TheDelphitechnique is an excellent consensus-building tool for complex project decisions that lack historical precedent or data. The Delphi method is a game-changing project management method to drive consensus and make complex decisions using an anonymous, and iterative approach by experts to provide input without influence from others…
The Delphi method (also called Wideband Delphi) was developed in the 1950s by the RAND Corporation as a forecasting methodology and named after the Greek Oracle of Delphi who foretold the future.
It is a structured, iterative process to solicit expert opinions and reach a consensus on complex problems or decisions which involves a facilitator sending multiple rounds of anonymous questionnaires to a panel of subject matter experts….
All nice glowing articles about the technique.
After reading that crap, I decide to make my notes from a couple decades ago available because the Delphi technique is not as innocent as those articles portray it. The key phrase is ‘CONSENSUS BUILDING’
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A special thanks to Marty Oakley, John Munsell, Lynn Cohen-Cole, Walter Jeffries, Barb and the rest of the Farm War Warriors who taught me so much about the evil encroaching on our land.
The original issue that brought all of this to light was of course the absurdly inflated claims of danger to scientists. Just like AGW, its all done “for the cause.”
Reading about this “deliberative democracy” project is extremely disturbing….
This needs to be looked into. Who set this up, who paid for the “study”, who is behind this? Are there other “deliberative democracy” projects like this going on in any other countries?
Sounds like “manipulative democracy”, not “deliberative democracy.” Scary stuff indeed.
The basis of the Delphi Technique is to achieve consensus on controversial topics and requires professional facilitators, we are told….
More and more, we are seeing citizens being invited to “participate” in various forms of meetings, councils, or boards to “help determine” public policy in one field or another. They are supposedly being included to get ”input” from the public to help officials make final decisions on taxes, education, community growth or whatever the particular subject matter might be.
Sounds great, doesn’t it? Unfortunately, surface appearances are often deceiving.
You, Mr. or Mrs. Citizen, decide to take part in one of these meetings.
Generally, you will find that there is already someone designated to lead or “facilitate” the meeting. Supposedly, the job of the facilitator is to be a neutral, non-directing helper to see that the meeting flows smoothly.
Actually, he or she is there for exactly the opposite reason: to see that the conclusions reached during the meeting are in accord with a plan already decided upon by those who called the meeting.…
In her article USDA Employing Delphi Technique, Marti Oakley describes the opposition we face as we go to the USDA listening sessions. I faced a similar situation when I attended a county meeting to discuss our land being turned over to the local tribe, as well as water rights.
I recognize now that the technique used in that meeting to manipulate the people present was the Delphi Technique. Although not aware of it at the time, I did use the technique described in the following article to counter it. This response came naturally, and was probably due to my former peace officer training. Countering this technique is not difficult, and I recommend it.
Here is a link to an article that describes what the Delphi Technique is:
The Delphi Technique was originally conceived as a way to obtain the opinion of experts without necessarily bringing them together face to face. In recent times, however, it has taken on an all new meaning and purpose. In Educating for the New World Order by B. Eakman, the reader finds reference upon reference for the need to preserve the illusion that there is “…lay, or community, participation (in the decision-making process), while lay citizens were, in fact, being squeezed out.” The Delphi Technique is the method being used to squeeze citizens out of the process, effecting a left-wing take over of the schools.
A specialized use of this technique was developed for teachers, the “Alinsky Method” (ibid, p.123). The setting or group is, however, immaterial; the point is that people in groups tend to share a certain knowledge base and display certain identifiable characteristics (known as group dynamics). This allows for a special application of a basic technique.
The change agent or facilitator goes through the motions of acting as an organizer, getting each person in the target group to elicit expression of their concerns about a program, project, or policy in question. The facilitator listens attentively, forms “task forces,” “urges everyone to make lists,” and so on. While s/he is doing this, the facilitator learns something about each member of the target group. S/He identifies the “leaders,” the “loud mouths,” as well as those who frequently turn sides during the argument — the “weak or noncommittal”.
Suddenly, the amiable facilitator becomes “devil’s advocate.” S/He dons his professional agitator hat. Using the “divide and conquer” technique, s/he manipulates one group opinion against the other. This is accomplished by manipulating those who are out of step to appear “ridiculous, unknowledgeable, inarticulate, or dogmatic.” S/He wants certain members of the group to become angry, thereby forcing tensions to accelerate. The facilitator is well trained in psychological manipulation. S/He is able to predict the reactions of each group member. Individuals in opposition to the policy or program will be shut out of the group.
The method works. It is very effective with parents, teachers, school children, and any community group. The “targets” rarely, if ever, know that they are being manipulated. Or, if they suspect this is happening, do not know how to end the process.
The desired result is for group polarization, and for the facilitator to become accepted as a member of the group and group process. S/He will then throw the desired idea on the table and ask for opinions during discussion. Very soon his/her associates from the divided group begin to adopt the idea as if it were their own, and pressure the entire group to accept the proposition…
Ground rules for disrupting the consensus process (Delphi Technique) — when facilitators want to steer a group in a specific direction.
1) Always Be Charming. Smile, be pleasant, be courteous, moderate your voice so as not to come across as belligerent or aggressive.
2) Stay Focused. If at all possible, write your question down to help you stay focused. Facilitators, when asked questions they don’t want to answer, often digress from the issue raised and try to work the conversation around to where they can make the individual asking the question look foolish, feel foolish, appear belligerent or aggressive. The goal is to put the one asking the question on the defensive. Do not fall for this tactic. Always be charming, thus deflecting any insinuation, innuendo, etc, that may be thrown at you in their attempt to put you on the defensive, but bring them back to the question you asked. If they rephrase your question into an accusatory statement (a favorite tactic) simply state, “that is not what I stated, what I asked was… (repeat your question).” Stay focused on your question.
3) Be Persistent. If putting you on the defensive doesn’t work, facilitators often resort to long drawn out dissertations on some off-the-wall and usually unrelated, or vaguely related, subject that drags on for several minutes – during which time the crowd or group usually loses focus on the question asked (which is the intent). Let them finish with their dissertation/expose, then nicely, with focus and persistence, state, “but you didn’t answer my question. My question was… (repeat your question).”
Remember…
always be charming,
stay focused, and
be persistent.
Never, under any circumstance, become angry. Anger directed at the facilitator will immediately make the facilitator “the victim.” This defeats the purpose which is to make you the victim. The goal of the facilitator is to make those they are facilitating like them, alienating anyone who might pose a threat to the realization of their agenda. [People with fixed belief systems, who know what they believe and stand on what they believe, are obvious threats.] If the participant becomes the victim, the facilitator loses face and favor with the crowd. This is why crowds are broken up into groups of seven or eight, why objections are written on cards, not voiced aloud where they are open to public discussion and public debate. It’s called crowd control. It is always good to have someone else, or two or three others who know the Delphi Technique dispersed through the crowd; who, when the facilitator digresses from the question, will stand up and say nicely, “but you didn’t answer that lady’s/gentleman’s question.” The facilitator, even if suspecting you are together, certainly will not want to alienate the crowd by making that accusation. Sometimes it only takes one occurrence of this type for the crowd to figure out what’s going on, sometimes it takes more than one.
If you have an organized group, meet before the meeting to strategize. Everyone should know their part. Meet after the meeting to analyze what went right, what went wrong and why, and what needs to happen the next time around. Never meet during the meeting. One of the favorite tactics of the facilitator, if the meeting is not going the way he/she wants, if he/she is meeting measurable resistance, is to call a recess. During the recess, the facilitator and his/her “spotters” (people who wander the room during the course of the meeting, watching the crowd) watch the crowd to see who congregates where, especially those who have offered measurable resistance. If the “resistors” congregate in one place, a “spotter” will usually gravitate to that group to “join in the conversation” and will report back to the facilitator. When the meeting resumes, the facilitator will steer clear of those who are “resistors.” Do not congregate. Hang loose and work the crowd. Move to where the facilitator or “spotters” are, listen to what they have to say, but do not gravitate to where another member of your team is.
This strategy also works in a face to face, one on one, meeting with anyone who has been trained in how to use the Delphi Technique.
With thanks to Sandy Vanderberg, Peg Luksik and others
It is amazing the variety of methods the Cabal has for controlling the ‘Great Unwashed’ Those are just a few.
With this part and the next we will follow our article on Benjamin Franklin and go deeper into the lives of other patriot founding fathers that were from the Keystone State of Pennsylvania. The Keystone name originated from its geographic location in the center of the 13 colonies as well as from its “key” contributions to the economic, political and social fabric of our young nation. Its location touches the Mid-Atlantic, Northeast Appalachia, and Great Lakes regions. As a result it has been multi-cultural and diverse since it was given in a royal land grant to William Penn in 1681.
To say it has been the site of American history in all of its glory, rage and everything in between is an understatement. Pennsylvania has been the seed planter of this great nation in Independence Hall as well as a literal and figurative battlefield from the 1700’s through today, especially with its political theatrics. Yet, when it was first settled it was considered to be a peaceful colony with settlers coexisting well with native American Indian tribes as well people from other nations such as Sweden, Germany (the Pennsylvania Dutch), and others who had major influences on the area.
Just a note at this point; I refuse to use the woke term “indigenous peoples” in reference to our native American Indian fellow citizens. It is historically inaccurate. Treaties, land grants, legal documents, Congressional records, etc. that were executed and referenced with the native American Indians in the development of our nation all state the term “Indian” in it. I have some Appalachian Cherokee blood running through my veins. I am not going to play the word games of the leftists. Right or wrong, God can judge, this world has always worked on the ancient Roman adage of, “To the victor goes the spoils.” The idgits who want to play the victims and reparations games can go pound sand.
It was into this great melting pot of people with patriot and loyalist blood in their veins that liberty was seeded. Pennsylvania’s prominent place in our nation’s history will be forever noted. I will not delve into its history as it would take too long for this series. The links below should help those who desire to know more. First there is a good bullet point style summary,
Now on to the next Declaration signer from the Keystone State.
George Clymer
George Clymer is a founder that many know very little about, yet, was one of the more important.
Clymer was born in Philly in 1739 and was orphaned at age seven. He was apprenticed to his maternal aunt and uncle. They were childless and agreed to raise, educate, and train young George into their merchant occupations. His uncle was also a friend of Benjamin Franklin. George received no formal education, but loved to read and learn. His grandfather left him some wealth in his will at age eleven. George continued working in the family business and became its accountant. He used his wealth to start his own trading business with his uncle’s blessing in 1759. When his uncle passed away he left the family business to George and with it, more wealth.
He married his wife, Elizabeth Meredith, in 1765. She was the daughter of the second wealthiest merchant in Pennsylvania. The couple went on to have nine children together with five surviving. One adult son later died in the Whiskey Rebellion. They were of the Episcopalian faith, which caused Elizabeth’s disownment by her family as they were Quakers.
George was a strong early backer of the independence movement. He served on Philadelphia’s Committee of Safety and was soon elected to serve its Common Council for six years. He was appointed a justice of the peace and later, an associate justice of the City Court despite not having a law degree. During the 1760’s he became even more involved in the patriot movement by authoring articles and pamphlets, leading a boycott of the Townshend Act, and adding his name to a 400 merchant public signing of the anti-importation stance against the Stamp Act. He was opposed by Quakers and loyalists who preferred a more conciliatory approach to Great Britain. He had great opposition to his adamant support for independence from the majority of citizens in the area, yet, they respected him so much he continue to ascend politically.
In 1773 he visited Boston in search of medical assistance for a chest ailment. While there he met and became good friends with John Quincey, an attorney who along with John Adams successfully defended the British soldiers in the Boston Massacre trials. Quincey was a big backer of Samuel Adams and John Hancock. This only encouraged Clymer more and he became an ardent supporter of the patriots in Boston.
He was very successful in his businesses in the Philly area and being popular was elected as a representative to the Second Continental Congress. After signing the Declaration of Independence he resigned in 1777. He remained there and ran his businesses during the ensuing battles in the area and the move of Congress until they could safely return. He was very generous with his wealth in his support of the military and other needs. At a crucial time during this period with funds low for the military, he and other local business leaders chartered the Pennsylvania Bank to assist in the effort. It served as a model for a national bank envisioned by Alexander Hamilton later. During the period he contributed to the war effort by serving on the Board of War and Treasury Board.
A few years later he was elected to the Philadelphia legislature where he served until he was requested to go to the southern states to increase manpower subscription for military and government service as well as soliciting funding. He returned to take part as a representative to the Constitutional Congress. In so doing he became one of only six who signed both the Declaration and the Constitution.
Clymer was a devoted Federalist and key supporter of Washington and his efforts. Washington called him into service in national financial roles as needed. He was also sent to Georgia to negotiate a treaty with the Creek and the Seminole as he had good relationships with native Indians. This resulted in peaceful relations with America and a move by the tribes away from the Spanish trading influence in Florida. He also did a mission to the Cherokees to improve relations in 1796.
He continued holding political office and running his businesses until his death in 1813. Elizabeth died two years later. They had been married 47 years. As a man of strong opinions he had an admirable way of relating to those with different perspectives that created harmony. As a result, despite his Episcopal faith and Elizabeth being disowned from her Quaker family, he was buried in a Quaker cemetery in Trenton, NJ. However, Elizabeth’s burial site is unknown and she is unlikely to have been buried by her husband.
For someone with zero formal education who had been orphaned as a child, George Clymer became a brilliant businessman, politician, judge, patriot, husband and father. He had one quote that stood out to me as it is applicable for our current times, which means it was applicable during his days over two centuries ago.
“A printer publishes a lie: for which he ought to stand in the pillory, for the people believe in and act upon it.”
Yup, fake news was influencing even back then. Fortunately, a growing majority of citizens do not fall for their garbage today. However, the sentiment is still applicable in regards to the use of the pillory against them as it might be appropriate as retribution.
Please remember Wolf’s rules for our community. In general that means to be respectful to each other and to pull no shenanigans that your mom might find offensive or otherwise cause jail time. That said, free speech is honored here.
Joe Biden never won. This is our Real President – 45, 46, 47.
AND our beautiful REALFLOTUS.
This Stormwatch Monday Open Thread remains open – VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA/KAG/KMAG world (with KMAG being a bit of both).
This man, making Christmas calls from the White House, believes the world is a sphere. And he has even flown around it! So has our beautiful FLOTUS, who happens to be his wife!
Truth and common sense must be valued by us, as individuals, in order to lastingly disempower the authoritarian fake news media. This includes the perniciously smarmy science media, which never answers for its errors and lies. I believe that the media has been responsible not only for leftist pathologies like scientism, medical fascism, and radical gender ideology, but also for reactionary movements like modern flat Earth, rejection of all medicine, and Biblical geological literalism.
Just as Wheatie’s Stormwatch Monday Open Thread was created as a place for people to openly express their thoughts and opinions, so, too, is this Thank God Thursday Open Thread, where honest but civil discussion of all topics is encouraged. This thread is also to be known as Theistic Evolution Thursdays, due to the author’s expected “pontification” about his scientific, religious, and political opinions. You are welcome to pontificate back! Free speech matters!
Please label all AI-generated content as being such, unless it is patently obvious (e.g., humorous AI images). It is important that we as individuals not begin to pretend that socially derived artificial intelligence is actually our own, as this form of stealthy social information averaging and feedback would be one more pretense and deception between people, in service of stupid Marxist socialism, and of those who wish to substitute their communally protected lies for actual truth.
The source of alleged truth matters, not for the truth itself, but for validation.
And yes, it’s THURSDAY…again.
And that’s it. We’re done stealing from Wheatie.
OK – maybe her rules need to be posted.
No food fights.
No running with scissors.
If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
Other rules may be derivable from these, and that conjecture is left for discussion.
If there is nothing beyond the “W” below, then this is a placeholder. For health reasons, I can’t always post a timely opinion before each Thursday, but I will try. Otherwise, you have this placeholder post, where YOU provide the content. Enjoy!
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This week, a random mix of old tabs and “stuff”!
(1) Ever been curious about the squares of the numbers from 1 to 100?
This one is comprehensive in content with a number of links. So it may be TL;dr for some. Be patient. I have made posts for a couple of years on here about this subject. This interview happened just this past week. Key people are now getting up to speed and taking steps to address within the Trump administration. Ignore the title in this O’Keefe interview of Marla Maples – this is about our air being chemically contaminated.
I want to personally thank PAVACA for taking this (among other subjects) on. I appreciate authors and posters bringing other controversial subjects for discussion. None of us are required to agree with the analysis or thoughts about the subject matter, just consider and post your thoughts on subjects of interest. That is how we inform and learn from each other. With that said, I am expanding the discussion on chemtrails.
It agitates my spirit to see critical dangers to our population blown off by otherwise caring and intelligent people.
My FIRE! series was an attempt to draw attention to the systematic use of wildfires and other calamitous events to clear areas for corporate and governmental interests. The properties are ravaged, their subsequent distressed sales to well heeled piranha are virtually guaranteed, and the Build Back Better mission is fulfilled at the expense of the oppressed. Think it through; this has been played out with wildfires alone in America for a couple of centuries.
However, not every geographic area is subject to wildfires. Which leads to the primary subject of today’s rant that ties into chemtrails – hurricanes.
Situation
Why do we know that nuclear war would be bad despite some criminally minded idgits suggesting that nukes could be tactically used without fear? Well, we may have seen videos and photos or read accounts of a very small example of what primitive atomic bombs could do 80 years ago in Japan. The results were horrible. It caused a radical nation of fierce warriors to become quite subdued and averse to international conflicts in the decades that followed. They decided they best surrender and over time become buddies with the folks that dropped them.
So what do we think advanced nuclear weapon technology could do to life on this planet today within seconds of being unleashed? Sort of a no brainer, right? That’s why POTUS Trump and the patriots did what they did to Iran’s nuclear sites. Add in the feat of dropping 15 ton, ground penetrating bombs on a 3′ by 3′ target from high altitude and speed without being detected in a journey from half the world away indicates there must be serious intelligence, planning, technology, and scientific understanding in play.
There (is) may also be similar serious brain power in use that might even know how to seed and enhance a storm. In fact, it (is) may be child’s play to them with the use of some of the world’s most effective computing power over the past 30 years that just so happens to be located in federally staffed and controlled national laboratories and defense installations.
Even so, knowing that technology exists to wipe out all life forms on the planet in short order, many still do not want to believe that atmospheric seeding (weather engineering) was successfully used 65+ years ago by our government. In addition, geoengineering (climate and environment – the latter includes in-ground activities) have been introduced in recent decades here and abroad. If these flat earther type negas did believe they might even conclude more advanced technology and methodologies with chemicals and other contaminants are in development and potentially in use.
Major Paradigm Shift
So while I am ranting and with the subject being related primarily to PAVACA’s article, the evil doers messed up big time with Hurricane Helene. They have lost what support they still had in the southeast from the hillbillies and rednecks. That is a very good thing for America. There were a good number who were raised in the pull the donkey tail family legacy belief system.
Boomerang.
My qualifications for making that statement and other statements you will read stem somewhat from the following personal observations on the ground over the past half century.
I worked relief efforts after Katrina on the gulf coast twenty years ago as some know from my BIMD series. I know how far inland the damages were felt along the MS to LA coast with only an occasional levee to stop its roll on the flat land and swamps. We did not see anything like what we saw at far greater distances inland with Helene. Friends of our family’s in law enforcement live in Thibodaux, about 50 miles from the LA coastline and the storm’s landfall. We know what we know.
Close family members lived through Andrew in Miami-Dade County, FL, so we saw the damage post storm on the beach and flat land in 1992. One of those family members was a general residential and HVAC contractor who owned a dozen rental properties. Also in those days one of my business customers was a general contractor who built and maintained facilities on Homestead Air Force Base; the Base that was nearly a total loss after Andrew hit as a Category 5 with nearly 170 MPH winds. I am well aware of the storm’s impact on it and the surrounding area.
We vacationed in the lowcountry area south of Charleston, SC post-Hugo in 1989. The area we were in had received only a glancing blow of high winds, light flooding and minimal surge as the storm followed the Atlantic gulf stream up the coast to the Charleston area 60 straight line miles away. Family members owned rental properties within an hour’s drive north of its landfall that experienced severe damages. Hugo had developed into a Category 5 in the Caribbean, moving up the coast line along the Atlantic gulf stream before suddenly veering due west into the SC coast around Charleston (Sullivan’s Island) as a Category 3. Despite a storm surge of 10-20′ the effects on many areas of the lowlands from flooding was less than expected as only one area had as much as 8″ of rainfall with most all other areas under 3″. However, significant damage to timber that would be harvested for the construction industry was felt as far as 100 miles inland from SC up into NC.
Even as a teenager my family and I rode out the outer bands of Camille in 1969 in a beach motel while on vacation at the Gulf in Pensacola. A week later we went on to visit New Orleans in its aftermath to see the effects on it and the surrounding flat land and swamps, which was primarily impacted by flooding. We had to drive inland somewhat around the primary affected coastline areas. It made landfall in the same general MS coast area as Katrina.
In fact, in recorded American history per the NOAA and other government sources there are no hurricanes that had the geographic scope and done anywhere near the level of damage that far inland than Helene did; much less that occurred into and on top of a mountain range. Over $200 Billion and counting in hurricane caused damages says something nefarious probably happened even if one adjusts for the current value of money versus past periods.
Some twenty years later and using today’s dollars, Katrina’s financial cost is in the $180 Billion range per the NHC. Helene is already calculated in excess of $200 Billion within the first year which is anticipated to climb to over $300 Billion. It is where the primary damages occurred that reveal the dubious nature of it all. Katrina made its initial landfall near New Orleans before bouncing toward the MS coast. It caused massive property damages as well as deaths due to flooding in the urban area of New Orleans, which is the area where much of the costs arise. In contrast, Helene made landfall in the sparsely populated and developed Big Bend of FL. The major costs associated with Helene’s damages were accumulated over 300 miles away from landfall.
Some might say Katrina might also have been seeded in the Gulf since the tech existed back then. The effects of that storm served a big political purpose for the ushering in of the O’Satan era. Or have you forgotten how the fake news used the FEMA incompetency to beat the drums against W and the GOP?
The anticipated final cost of Helene makes our nation’s past financial commitment to Ukraine’s destruction look like chump change.
Messing With Mother Nature
It is highly probable that the skies have been chemically treated for various purposes for many years. There are many relevant articles available to consider such as the following,
For those who are unaware, I use the website linked below to follow storms during hurricane season. I really do not need Jim Cantore show time weather actors telling me what to expect. The NOAA’s NHC site is also used by nearly all of the weather forecasters to “predict” the related storms. It has a wealth of historical information as well.
I watched Helene with interest at that time since it might affect our annual Fall Frolic to HHI that was scheduled for two weeks later in October. It was a trip we went ahead and took post storm (2 weeks later), driving through much of the affected areas on two different routes going and returning home. I posted on here in openers about the pain in the azz travel that took us through Georgia from the TN border down to Macon and on to Savannah. That was the quickest and safest alternative route since Helene’s floods had wiped out a 12 mile section of I-40 in the gorge at the TN/NC border in addition to many bridges on routes around the gorge in the areas between Knoxville and Asheville.
The wind and tornadoes had uprooted trees and sheered timber for over 100 miles of travel on I-16 from Macon east to Savannah. The fields were full of downed trees and debris. Those that fell on the road had been cleared for travelers, however, they lined the road in stacks the entire way. We had similar observations in areas from the Spartanburg, SC area all the way to Erwin, TN on I-26, which had fortunately reopened to two lanes at the affected bridge areas in Unicoi County, TN. Asheville was an absolute mess, but passable by that time about 5 weeks after the storm. We did not tour east of Asheville, which was extremely hard hit with floods and landslides. Smaller communities were literally washed away. It has been the slowest area for rebuilding due to the magnitude of the destruction and terrain per on-going reporting post storm.
Helene was an Atlantic disturbance that showed little signs of becoming what it did while meandering around in the southern Gulf for days until it suddenly became a high Category 4 that was greater in size than 90% of the past hurricanes to hit America in recorded history per the NHC. It remained an abnormally strong tropical storm long after it passed over land at Perry in the Big Bend and crossed through the middle of GA with the eye still easily discernible as far away as Macon, GA, some 195 straight line miles inland. It then continued across GA into SC and the mountains in SC from east to west, then north into NC and TN.
It spawned dozens of tornadoes along with high straight line wind speeds that destroyed property and untold numbers of trees in its path along with horrific flooding rains that ranged from 15 – 30 inches in many areas. This caused Asheville, NC city streets, highways and bridges to buckle and float down river as it also did in other mountain area communities. The continuous avalanche of water went into TVA dammed lakes, which breached into tributaries, which in turn breached levees and flood control waterways, which then flooded towns anywhere near its path.
Lake Lure in western NC is still having debris removed with water levels kept low. The clean up continues in all of TVA managed lakes and rivers.
None of what I described above is remotely “normal” for even the strongest hurricanes.
Consider that the Asheville, NC MSA population exceeds 400,000 people in a four county area and that it sits at over 2100 feet above sea level. It was well developed with good infrastructure to support its population and the tourism industry. In addition to its elevation we also know that Asheville is about 300 straight line miles from Perry, FL. I have not reviewed every hurricane reported on the NHC site, however, it seems obvious and I would bet that there are none that caused even a fraction of the physical damage in mountains that far away from landfall. Just sayin…
If you are serious about wanting to know what that city faced just in providing water to residents, read the link below.
So how safe do you think drinking well water has been for residents in the affected areas? How about residents down stream into east TN? How safe is the agriculture of soybeans, corn, tomatoes and tobacco that are cash crops for farmers in the areas that were most affected in east TN? It was a $1.3 billion hit to just those farms according to the Department of Agriculture. The DOA has just commissioned research on food safety and land viability for farming in that area. As one of the researchers stated in a TV interview, “There are now rivers where there were none prior to Helene.”
There have been ample articles, photos, and videos issued chronicling the massive destruction in NC, Unicoi County in east TN, and other areas that are still available on the web. There are some more photos within the NHC link of the Helene report below.
It all seems too ridiculous to even consider that the storm was not intentionally enhanced. My personal Bullshit Meter goes off when anybody suggests there is nothing to seeding the atmosphere with chemicals; especially when I read comments like the following that is found in the NHC report on Helene on page 28.
“…Helene marked the first time NHC had forecast a disturbance to become a major hurricane before the system became a tropical cyclone.”
😡
So why was this the “the first time”? Reports have been published since 1958 per the archives. That seems like it was pretty intentional decision if it was the first time they had done it in 66 years.
What happened with Helene is not how hurricanes generally work. Again, the next largest catastrophic hurricane in American history in terms of overall wide affect on land mass was Katrina, which might have been enhanced as well. Flatland population centers were minimal to moderately affected 75-100 straight line miles away. Worked there, saw it. Yet, with Helene a well built metropolitan area 2100′ above sea level 300 miles from storm landfall experienced disastrous effects. Traveled there, saw it.
Below is the archived comprehensive report of the NOAA’s weather scientists and researchers on Helene. You can read archived reports going back decades on hurricanes. They periodically update and revise reports as new information is learned.
I am still trying to mentally digest all of the information in this report. Please pay special attention to wind speeds, rainfall stats and graphs, reconnaissance missions, storm surge, discussions on floods and landslides on the east side of the mountains, and the additional photos.
Current Legislative Situation
The situation in Tennessee as well as in Florida recently, with potentially more states in the future, is that we no longer have chemtrails since legislation was signed into law almost a year ago. Clear skies and naturally occurring clouds now dominate. I have verified that with friends in both the Nashville and Memphis areas as well our east TN area. Will see how it goes in Florida as well as when other states join in with the the clear skies crowd.
That chem trails can be removed from skies at all should reveal something to the less informed.
Another consideration along the depop lines is that there are statistical truths being exposed post storm despite fake news media attention waning. In Helene’s case how could there not be an uptick in the storm’s influence relating to medical conditions of those who live and work in the affected areas; especially when relief workers and related construction workers as well as the general population have experienced significantly greater numbers of health problems due to excessive mold, fungal, and chemically induced infections that cause diseases? See links below.
Could it be that the states of TN and FL have enough sense in their government leaderships to see and care about what has been happening; then have the fortitude to do something about it for their citizens? Since my state started the ball rolling I guess us hillbillies and rednecks may be a bit smarter than the stereotypes suggest. Recent reports on other states jumping on the bandwagon are below,
The hillbillies and rednecks within this 5-6 state region who had not yet accepted that elements within the federal and state governments along with their globalist cabal controlled leadership were willing to indiscriminately kill them, their families, and their neighbors – are no longer all that trusting. In fact, most hate the government now. It runs deep like the effects of the Civil War here in the southeast.
Who they do trust more now are people like the Amish, veterans, and regional relief groups of area residents who have selflessly given of themselves and their resources to help the affected since it happened. They also trust PDT, cabinet and America First MAGA supporters more. All of the groups are still there, nine months later, aiding the affected people quietly and without fanfare.
People have noticed that PDT controlled federal agencies have quietly kicked into high gear on infrastructure projects that have accelerated the rebuild. Thankfully, HUD grants for rebuilding have been forthcoming since the election. But the patriot federal government’s physical resources have been stretched thin by the vermin’s attack on America nationwide.
This situation is just one more reason why the Big Beautiful Bill needed passed. The entire psyche of America changes with the inking of that bill. Politicians that voted against it are traitors to We the People in my book. I will never forget them and teach my grandchildren that as well. If anybody wants perfection in government they will need to wait until/if they go to Heaven. The bill helps We the People overcome the evils within.
Economic considerations arevery pertinent to this rant. Anytime the enemy can spawn widespread fear porn panic and physical destruction a portion of our nation’s revenue stream goes toward its elimination and repair, which weakens the overall economy. State and local governments also lose revenues necessary to provide services citizens demand. The enemy seeks to find and probe as many weaknesses as possible in their attempt to take control of our people, money, and land. That is the motive for doing the dirty. Geoengineering is one their tools to getting that done.
POTUS Trump, cabinet, most GOP elected officials, and all of MAGA are about America and Americans First. They know we cannot be a rising tide to lift other boats if we are being drained. Hence, the Big Beautiful Bill is now the law of the land. The authority and manpower commitment to enforce the laws and fair play has been solidified.
Now To The Helene Conspiracy
I dunno, but the recon flights thingy with Helene sure appears sketchy. Some examples of NOAA/NHC reports on it and other storms are in order.
Linked below is Hurricane Beryl’s report with recon mission flights and other information, data, and graphs. It hit a few months earlier than Helene and was a Category 5 that glanced off the same Mehico’s Yucatan and going into Texas. Page 6 comment:
There is substantial uncertainty about Beryl’s intensity at landfall on the Yucatan Peninsula of Mexico. The last Hurricane Hunter mission before this landfall showed that the storm was quickly weakening, with the central pressure rising from near 962 mb to near 971 mb between 0000-0600 UTC 5 July, along with decreasing flight-level and surface winds.
Now look at the recon flight data graph on page 62. So Beryl and other storms of equal and greater intensity in the same area can hit land mass and weaken, but not Helene? Don’t attempt to use different weather and climate factors as the excuse. It doesn’t wash based on history in the archived storm reports. There is a pattern with developing tropical disturbances and cyclones that does not vary all that much during hurricane season, especially when they hit land masses.
Add in any unreported flights by federal and military operations with any of these storms going back to the 1960’s.
Something ain’t right here. They recon the southern Caribbean and Yucatan area to death from every angle while meandering around far away from its eventual “destination” and before it even becomes a named tropical cyclone While a few months before with Beryl they conducted orderly recon on a storm with a normal path that had already been deemed a cyclone followed by hurricane status well before it entered the gulf.
There is the question to consider of whether the planning and experimentation could have been stepped up the year before Helene in 2023 with Hurricane Idalia. That storm started developing in a similar area of the Caribbean south of Cuba and moved west toward the Yucatan before shifting north and becoming a Category 4. As it neared the same Big Bend region of FL it declined to a Category 3 with a storm surge of as high as 12′ and produced 4-10″ of rainfall into south and central GA on an initial similar path as Helene. They had added recon mission flight data graphs beginning in 2023 and Idalia’s is found on page 33.
The path of Idalia remained normal for gulf storms in that region and it progressed northeast toward the Atlantic coastline. The same was true for Milton that formed in the gulf near Mehico after Helene in 2024. It progressed into a Category 4 and made landfall in the Tampa area before quickly moving across the state and out to the Atlantic without turning more northward until it hit the Atlantic gulf stream.
So far I have not found any other hurricanes that made landfall in the FL gulf or Atlantic east coast that turned more north and west over any mountainous terrain, much less with 2.5 feet of rainfall in those mountainous places as Helene did. That Helene followed the path it did and remained a tropical storm over 400 straight line miles inland over the Great Smoky Mountains into east TN to the Kentucky border should at least inspire a healthy curiosity.
Conclusion
It appears to me that something really bad and probably quite intentional happened with Helene. The bread crumbs keep leading in that direction. The timing and storm path weres just too conveniently good for the Dems/RINO’s in particular. The Dems’ Build Back Better initiative, corrupt personal investing practices, federal elections timing and so on suggest the possible existence of foul play. As an example, maybe you missed this pre-election link below.
There will be at least a decade of repercussions relating to infrastructure, property ownership, water supply, and medical challenges of residents. Property insurance premiums have increased dramatically. Proposed property tax increases are on the ballots and pushed by local governments in the area to make up for lost revenues. Businesses and jobs were lost. Recreational areas have been savaged. People lost ownership of homes, land, timber, and farmland. Activities relating to government acquisitions of property, sometimes through imminent domain, along with globalists acquiring mineral rights have all increased significantly per reports in the area.
Oh, that’s right – screw We the People, MAGA, and Trump. Build Back Better. Important minerals including rare earths and potential tourism venues are there. Duh.
This rant has ended, but the story will continue. This isn’t over. There will be a sequel down the road as observations and evidence lead the story. For example we have a horrific Texas storm and flood to cover. However, there are now informed, powerful people who are beginning to wake up.
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