23 days, 11 hours, 59 minutes until our Once and Future President, the Rightful President of the United States, is restored to his proper office.
Not that I’m counting, mind you.
[Assumes 0001 publication time. Wordpiss will be wordpiss and it’s unlikely to happen at that time.]
What is it that feeds our battle, yet starves our victory?
Speaker Johnson: A Reminder.
And MTG is there to help make it stick.
January 6 tapes. A good start…but then nothing.
Were you just hoping we’d be distracted by the first set and not notice?
Are you THAT kind of “Republican”?
Are you Kevin McCarthy lite?
What are you waiting for?
I have a personal interest in this issue.
And if you aren’t…what the hell is wrong with you?
Lawyer Appeasement Section
OK now for the fine print.
This is the WQTH Daily Thread. You know the drill. There’s no Poltical correctness, but civility is a requirement. There are Important Guidelines, here, with an addendum on 20191110.
We have a new board – called The U Tree – where people can take each other to the woodshed without fear of censorship or moderation.
And remember Wheatie’s Rules:
1. No food fights
2. No running with scissors.
3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
4. Zeroth rule of gun safety: Don’t let the government get your guns.
5. Rule one of gun safety: The gun is always loaded.
5a. If you actually want the gun to be loaded, like because you’re checking out a bump in the night, then it’s empty.
6. Rule two of gun safety: Never point the gun at anything you’re not willing to destroy.
7. Rule three: Keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire.
8. Rule the fourth: Be sure of your target and what is behind it.
(Hmm a few extras seem to have crept in.)
Spot (i.e., paper) Prices
Last week:
Gold $2,623.40
Silver $29.58
Platinum $935.00
Palladium $948.00
Rhodium $4,850.00
FRNSI* 127.907– (Correction: 125.907-
Gold:Silver 88.688+
This week, 3PM Mountain Time, Kitco “ask” prices. Markets have closed for the weekend.
Gold $2,621.30
Silver $29.45
Platinum $930.00
Palladium $939.00
Rhodium $4,850.00
FRNSI* 125.805+
Gold:Silver 89.008+
Not a whole lot of movement this week, but enough to push gold:silver over 89! It continues to suck to be heavy on silver and light on gold. Unless, of course, you think this is a buying opportunity for the white metal.
*The SteveInCO Federal Reserve Note Suckage Index (FRNSI) is a measure of how much the dollar has inflated. It’s the ratio of the current price of gold, to the number of dollars an ounce of fine gold made up when the dollar was defined as 25.8 grains of 0.900 gold. That worked out to an ounce being $20.67+71/387 of a cent. (Note gold wasn’t worth this much back then, thus much gold was $20.67 71/387ths. It’s a subtle distinction. One ounce of gold wasn’t worth $20.67 back then, it was $20.67.) Once this ratio is computed, 1 is subtracted from it so that the number is zero when the dollar is at its proper value, indicating zero suckage.
More Fallout from the Final Experiment
Flerfs seem to fall into two distinct camps lately: 1) Those who claim the whole thing is faked, and: 2) Those who claim that they can shoehorn what happened into the Flat Earth model somehow.
First one first: As more and more footage is being uploaded the claims some make that TFE videos were shot in a soundstage somewhere are looking more and more ridiculous. Aircraft landing, rides on snowmobiles or other vehicles to and from the Union Glacier camp to Midway (the area they did most of their experiments at) show this is no sound stage. Another claim, that the sun was somehow fake: The sun was real by the testimony of even the Flerfs who were there. Jeran burned holes through paper with a magnifying glass, which counters the notion that it’s some sort of sun simulator (never mind the fact that no simulator is going to light up miles of terrain like that).
Second, we’re seeing two main lines of attack. One is that someone named Steven Alonzo allegedly used the flat earth model to predict the sorts of things that Will Duffy asked about, matching Globe Earth predictions. The problem is he used globe based mathematical models to do so! (The sincerest form of flattery being imitation.) Alonzo has allegedly founded a “Flat Earth University” where he lives in Belize.
@2:43 (meaning 2 hours and 43 minutes):
The other is a new flat earth model by someone named Hanvey who has added yet more layers to the “firmament” in order to try to get reflected suns to behave the way seen. So far his videos haven’t impressed anyone except some Flerfers. However, it’s supposedly a work in progress.
Flerfs are counting on these guys to rescue them.
McToon (“Where are the guns, Nathan?!?!”) is going to be able to demolish both, or so he promises. He’s waiting to see which way the Flerfs (those who don’t wake the hell up) jump; to Alonzo or Hanvey.
Also in that video shortly after the bit about Alonzo (at about 2:46:15), is the story of the presentation they gave to the staff of Union Glacier Camp about the Final Experiment. Flerfer Austin Witsit spoke and was seen by the full time meteorologist at Union Glacier. That meteorologist was pissed at Witsit’s condescending attitude and eventually just left. McToon makes a very trenchant point here, which is that if the meteorologist is wrong, people die. If Witsit is wrong, he’s just a lying turd on the internet and his followers won’t die from it. Witsit can be wrong and suffer no consequences because he has no responsibility. The meteorologist can’t be wrong.
2:48:05: “That’s always the thing. They can spout their nonsense because they have zero responsibility. You have responsibilities, you don’t get to be wrong, and continue to be wrong, right? You’re done. You’re done. That’s how it works.”
But someday, someone will die from this crap, just as surely as DEI hires have caused lives to be risked or even lost.
Some Go-Backs
Regarding my article from five weeks ago, where I discussed trans-Neptunian objects (as well as Centaurs) as a class before diving in and looking at the ones that qualify as dwarf planets the following week. I really didn’t tie things together, and I saw something that made it clear.
The TNOs or Kuiper Belt Objects plus “Scattered Disk Objects” orbit just outside the orbit of Neptune. Why not closer? Because Neptune or some other object would eventually get too close to them, and change their orbit–possibly flinging them out of the solar system just like it did with Voyager 2; otherwise putting it into a smaller orbit. And why aren’t they further away? They seem to get as close as they can without Neptune mucking them up, no closer…but they exist right up to that line. Well, go back in time. Maybe there were plenty of these sorts of objects at varying distances…and once Neptune came on the scene, it took care of all of the ones too close to the Sun. In other words, it’s not a coincidence that the Kuiper Belt’s inner boundary is near Neptune’s orbit, rather Neptune caused the boundary to be where it is.
So what happens when Neptune manages to perturb one of these objects? It either gets a speed boost and goodbye…or loses energy and drops into an orbit closer to the Sun. Well…those are the Centaurs! And a Centaur will eventually interact with Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, or maybe go for a second round with Neptune. And at that point, it could either be flung out, or become a short term comet.
So now I’ve tied TNOs, Centaurs, and comets together in a way that takes a bunch of different conceptual “buckets” of things and relates them to each other.
(I’m not sure whether to add this to the article from five weeks ago…or to the one on comets…or both.)
Another thing I saw was someone throwing a bunch of solar-system objects (none of them moons) into a table, stripping the names off and considering things like: number of moons, orbit shape (eccentricity), orbit tilt (inclinations), distance from the sun, mass, size, and composition (gas, rocky, rocks with ice, ice with rocks). Of course this looks like a mess, but then he plotted one against another to find trends. For instance eccentric orbits tended to correlate with high inclinations. That’s kind of interesting (unlike most of the ones he showed at first). It got very interesting when he plotted size (diameter) against distance from the Sun. At that point, he got four distinct clumps. Not only that, but those four lumps tended to have the same compositions! So: the largest objects tend to be medium-far from the sun, and they’re all gaseous. The next larger group is closest to the sun and tends to be rocky. Then there’s a distant group–the most distant–of objects that are ice with some rock. Finally the smallest group, farther then the rocky groups, but closer than the gaseous group, that are rock and some ice. The four groups tend to have more things in common within the group: The gaseous objects tend to have more moons. The groups that are rock-ice mixes tend to have those elliptical, inclined orbits.
Of course, he cheated. He put the largest bodies in each of the four groups into the table to begin with. But he insists that even after he adds more and more objects, the groupings persist.
The implication is that the solar system has four different kinds of objects (aside from however you want to handle moons). In the order I described them: Gas giants, terrestrial planets, trans-Neptunian objects, and the asteroids. Now this doesn’t account for “round” versus “lumpy.” Everything except gas giants can be small enough to be lumpy.
Could this illuminate the path to classifying objects in the solar system? No one is satisfied by the current state of affairs, that’s for sure. One thing that has to be accounted for that isn’t, here, is the moons.
Geology
Geology has, until recently, been the study of Earth, the rocks of which it is composed, and how they change over time. In the last few decades, it has become extended to cover the other objects of the solar system, even though the word comes from the Greek γῆ (gê) ‘earth’ (in particular) and λoγία (-logia) ‘study of, discourse’. This is because much of what we have learned down here has served as a basis for studying what is up there, despite a myriad of fascinating differences. (Perhaps it would have been more useful for me to write this before doing the rest of the solar system.)
Geology is a gigantic subject, and since even today it has to do mostly with that ball of rock we stand on every day, it tends to have a ton of practical applications, everything from telling us where to dig or drill to get the good stuff, to advising us where to put buildings, to watching out for hazards like volcanoes and earthquakes. There are a lot of sub-specialties including mineralogy (the study of the actual mineral constituents of rocks), seismology, vulcanology, glaciology, speleology (caves), and so on.
In general outline, one goes from studying minerals, to rocks (composed of mixes of minerals), “unlithified material”–the sorts of things that end up on top of bedrock, like gravel and soil, but also magma (liquid material under the surface of the earth). And then there’s the whole earth, including tectonic plates, the structure of the earth (which I touched on last time).
And then there are landforms like mountains, streams, sand dunes, glaciers, hogbacks, alluvial fans (i.e., the deposits that form near the mouths of streams), and on and on.
A gigantic field with a lot of places where one can do a deep dive.
And to be honest, NOT something I have strong knowledge of. I’ll be learning a lot in doing this series. In the past I’ve had to look up details but at least I had a broad mental outline from which to proceed. With geology, though I know some things, the outline is much sketchier. I’m trying very hard not to get out ahead of my skis here.
It’s best for all of us if I start at the beginning. But before I do that, there are a couple of absolutely basic concepts I have to explain.
Rock Types and the Rock Cycle
Rocks come in three basic types.
The first is “igneous” rocks like granite and basalt. These are rocks that formed directly from cooling magma (and magma is the term for lava that is still underground). This can happen either deep underground as the magma cools (e.g., granite) or above ground when the magma spills out onto the surface during an eruption (e.g., basalt). You can tell how quickly the magma/lava cooled by the size of the crystals–big crystals mean it cooled slowly, so basalt, being the result of an eruption, tends to have smaller crystals than granite, which is formed deep underground and thus tends to cool slowly.
The second is “sedimentary” rocks, examples being shale, limestone and sandstone. These are rocks that form when other rocks erode, are carried elsewhere by water (usually) or wind (sometimes), and are deposited elsewhere as sediment, silt, sand…and then something other than heat or pressure happens to transform it into rock. Perhaps water with a lot of dissolved minerals flows through and the minerals out of solution, acting as cement.
Finally, there is metamorphic rock. This is rock that used to be one of the other two types, but was subject to heat and pressure–not enough to melt it, which would result in igneous rocks–but enough to make it change in structure. Marble is metamorphosed limestone, and slate is metamorphosed shale. Schists can form from either sedimentary or igneous rocks.
There are numerous ways rocks of one type can become rocks of another type, and the full picture is known as the “rock cycle.” A lot of geology’s “big picture” is encapsulated right here.
All three types can erode and form sediment (even sedimentary rock can go through it all again). Metamorphic rock can “cook” too long and go molten and become magma which can only become igneous rock. And so on.
OK, so maybe now some of the things I will have to refer to in the history will make more sense. I had to do this, because geology started when people started looking at rocks.
Early History of Geology
The ancient Greeks wrote some works on stones, in particular Theophrastus (372-287 BCE), and Aristotle, who made many observations on the slow rate of geological change. And then Pliny the Elder (who seems to have written on just about everything) wrote on minerals and metals. He died in the eruption of Vesuvius, 79 CE, a fitting way to go for a geologist…which was only one of his many interests. But Aristotle gets additional credit here because he tried to be strictly evidence-based when he said that geological change was slow. During the middle ages, the mantle was taken up by people in the Islamic world, with Ibn Sina (Avicenna in translation) proposing explanations for mountain formation, earthquakes and other topics. Also in China Shen Kuo (1031-1095) came up with a hypothesis of land formation based on observation of fossil shells in a mountain hundreds of miles from the ocean. He inferred that land was formed by the erosion of mountains and the deposition of silt–in other words, the creation of sedimentary rocks.
The first person considered a truly scientific geologist, however, was Georgius Agricola (1495-1555). He wrote De Natura Fossilium in 1546. This was the first systematic attempt to classify minerals, rocks and sediments since Pliny. He also wrote De Re Metallica (published 1556), which focused more on mineralogy, ores, and mining (and was considered authoritative for almost two centuries afterwards). The two books together made geology a scientific subject for the first time.
Nicholas Steno (1638-1686) gets the credit for some key laws of geology that underlie stratigraphy (roughly the study of rock layers). These are so important that it’s worth hitting the pause button and talking about them. They are:
Steno’s Laws of Stratigraphy
The law of superposition. In undeformed stratigraphic sequences, the oldest layers or strata will be on the bottom, with progressively newer deposits stacked upon it. This can be a bit tricky to apply as sometimes the layers are later flipped over at least 90 degrees, putting the newer layers on top. But there are ways to tell this has happened. Below is an example from Svalbard, Norway of layers of sediment–which eventually hardened into rock–with the oldest layers at the bottom.
The successive layering of rocks like this is known as stratification, and when the information is gathered from all over the world and assembled into a whole, it’s called “the geologic column.”
The principle of original horizontality. Layers of sediment are originally deposited horizontally (not at a slant) under the action of gravity.
Here is an example from the Colorado Plateau (this part of the plateau is actually in Utah). Layers are horizontal.
We now know that in special cases sand (for instance) can be deposited at a slope of up to fifteen degrees, particularly in sand dunes.
Getting ahead of ourselves, these layers were deposited in the Permian through Jurassic times. They show up in widely separated areas. Which brings us to:
The principle of lateral continuity. This states that layers of sediment initially extend laterally in all directions (but not forever). Based on this, rocks that are otherwise similar but are now separated by a valley or something else caused by erosion, were originally “connected.”
In the picture above those layers are seen in Capitol Reef national park and the Canyonlands national park. The different layers are named, from top to bottom: The Navajo Sandstone, layerd red Kayenta formation, red Wingate sandstone which forms cliffs, the sloped purplish portion is Chinle formation, the lighter red stuff further down is Moenkopi formation, and the white layer at the very bottom is the Cutler Formation. This picture isn’t from either of those two parks, rather it’s from Glen Canyon. The point being that these same layers can be identified and named even though they appear in differing places, separated by canyons that were cut through them after they were deposited.
You might get the impression that stratigraphy is purely about sedimentary rock, but lava flows can spill out over sedimentary layers, harden into (usually) basalt, and then be overlain later on by more sediment. This is going to turn out to be very useful, in fact. Also, sometimes igneous rock manages to penetrate through a vertical crack in sedimentary layers. When we see that it’s called a “dike” and it’s obviously newer than any of the layers it cuts through.
Another thing that make things a bit tricky is that a bunch of strata can be deposited, then whatever body of water lays there might disappear for whatever reason, and already-deposited layers can be eroded away. Much later, sediments can start depositing again, but now there’s a time gap at least as long as the dry spell. This is called an “unconformity.” Sometimes it’s obvious because the land tilts during the dry spell; you end up with non-parallel layers when that happens.
Sedimentary rock tends to form very extensive layers, called “formations.” This is different from popular usage where a “formation” might be a distinctive outcropping of exposed rock, like for instance these:
(Garden of the Gods, Colorado Springs). The big double-humped rock on the left is popularly called a “rock formation” but is actually part of at least two different formations in the geologic sense (and I am unable to find their names), as you can tell by the different colors. And this is an instance where the rock layers have been tipped on their sides, in this case by the events that formed the Rocky Mountains.
Geology Gets Going
OK so returning at last to the historical narrative, we are now in the 17th century and things started to take off here.
The Christian world at this time was starting to notice that different translations of the Bible could be significantly different, but the one thing they all agreed on was that the Noachian deluge had formed the world’s geology and geography. So the quest was on: prove with scientific evidence that the Great Flood had in fact occurred!
Yes: Many of these early geologists were what we would today call “Young Earth Creationists.”
So what happened when they went and looked?
In the early 1600s many people began to notice fossils…but there were arguments over what they were. Some thought they were legitimate preserved forms of actual creatures, and others thought they were somehow something that just happened as rocks formed, “sports of nature,” funny rocks that happened to look like things. As crazy as this sounds today, no one had any concept of how a dead animal or plant could somehow be transformed into a rock of the same size and shape. Robert Hooke (1635-1703), Steno, and John Ray (1627-1705) did much of the work to explain how this could happen.
One important thing is to note that fossils appeared only in sedimentary rocks, or possibly (if we were lucky) were still identifiable in metamorphic rocks that were originally sedimentary. Another is that fossils are usually formed from hard body parts, bones, shells, and exoskeletons. You’ll find fossils of clams, but not of jellyfish–not unless you’re extremely lucky. And this means that for those creatures who have their hard body parts on the inside (like vertebrates) it’s uncommon to get any impression of the skin. We are getting better at detecting such things even when they’re extremely subtle.
Hooke, Steno, and Ray rejected the notion that all fossils resulted from the Great Flood. In their minds there were too many of them, scattered throughout the geologic column all over the world, for it to have happened all within one year.
But others disagreed, and we had a school of thought in geology called “Diluvialism,” where the Great Flood is considered responsible for (at least) the fossils. This was a real hypothesis, being investigated by many responsible geologists, and was taken quite seriously for a number of decades.
During the late 1600s and early 1700s, diluvialism and a young Earth was most geologists’ starting point. It isn’t any more. What changed?
Diluvialists collected a lot of fossils, but they were “small stuff.” Dinosaur and mammal fossils had not yet been noticed–that would start rolling in the early-to-mid 1800s. In looking for fossils, mid 1700s geologists like Giovanni Arduino (1714-1795), Johann Gottlob Lehmann (1719-1767) and many others started noticing things about the rocks that contained them. Namely mountain building, volcanism (meaning igneous rocks), deposition (sedimentary rocks), etc. There were so many different kinds of processes they simply couldn’t have been all due to some single uniform process like the Great Flood. So, many reasoned, the recent stuff was due to the Great Flood, but other items in deeper, older strata were perhaps created from nothing or were products of the chaos that God put order to in Genesis.
Enter Georges-Louis Leclerc, Comte de Buffon (1707-1788), who eventually became hugely influential. He saw the huge array of things that those prior geologists had found, and decided to do some experiments. Buffon reasoned that the Earth as a whole was once hot (and is known to still be hot on the inside) so he heated spheres of minerals and recorded how long it would take for them to cool off. Extrapolating from this he determined that Earth was roughly seventy five thousand years old. He wrote that up in 1778, and the Sorbonne forced him to retract the claim.
James Hutton (1726-1797) was coming to a similar conclusion. He was a doctor by training but had become more and more interested in geology. He eventually wrote a book “Theory of The Earth” in 1788. He argued that nothing “special” had to be invoked to explain the Earth, just the same processes we see around us today, erosion and deposition. This was known as uniformitarianism, He also was the first to recognize metamorphic rocks as a distinct group.
However other geologists held out for catastrophism, brief catastrophic episodes, and not necessarily only the Great Flood; and they had good arguments for this. I’ll say more later.
By the end of the 1700s, due to these and many other lines of investigation, geologists were coming to accept that the Earth was far older than one would think, based on an absolutely literal reading of Genesis. They had to be dragged to this conclusion by the weight of what they were seeing. They didn’t want it to be true. They were Christians…and believed the Bible could not be wrong. They had to conclude that they were misinterpreting Genesis.
So now we had a couple of competing theories as to what was going on throughout this extended time. We already had the notions of uniformitarianism and catastrophism, which refer to the rates of changes, but what about the nature of the changes? We had the neptunists led by John Walerk, Johan Gottshalk Wallerius and Abraham Werner who thought all of the geographic strata–including igneous rocks! had formed from an ocean that had covered the entire Earth (sort of like a slow Flood).
The other competing theory was Plutonism, whose main proponent was Hutton. Here the Earth was formed through the gradual solidification of a molten mass (which was also what Buffon believed), volcanic processes were king. Hutton was convinced that the Earth was “immeasurably” old. (Which was certainly true…he couldn’t measure it!)
The truth of course is that both water and volcanism are important. “And” logic definitely applies. And this turns out to be true of uniformitarianism vs. catastrophism, too. Both happen. Remember Eugene Shoemaker and his asteroid and comet impacts? And remember the really bad day a lot of dinosaurs had ‘way back when.
As time went on, more and more evidence piled up. The Earth is old. We didn’t know how old, precisely, but figures in the range of a few thousand years rapidly became untenable. The evidence has only gotten much, much more weighty and our ability to date things much more precise, since then.
I’ve elided much in this account and I should be a bit more specific because I know some people simply won’t believe what I just wrote. So here’s just one avenue of investigation, out of many.
Mount Etna, on Sicily, overlooks the city of Catania, and it is the largest volcano in Europe. Furthermore, it’s always simmering, and erupts often enough, and usually mildly enough, that to the locals it’s just another aspect of the weather.
Scottish geologist Charles Lyell (1797-1875) visited Etna in the early-to-mid 1800s and realized he could estimate how long it had taken to build up to its present size. He was able to determine the size of the mountain, from the lowest lava layers which rest on limestone (which has fossils in it). He also knew that Etna erupts regularly, and that we had records of those eruptions clear back to Roman times.
Etna is about 3km high, and circular, with a radius of 25 km, so it roughly forms a cone, and the volume is approximately 2000 cubic kilometers. Going through the records, the average lava flow was about 0.02 cubic kilometers though there had been a larger eruption in 1669. On average, eruptions have been happening at a rate of 5 per century. So since Roman times (2000 years ago), we’ve seen a total of 2 cubic kilometers come out of Etna. If the rate of the last two thousand years is typical, then Etna is two million years old.
Of course, there’s an assumption there that the rate has held constant for two million years. But based on the distribution of the smaller cones on the slopes of Mt. Etna, and the fact that we can distinguish different lava flows, it looks pretty steady. If it were ever (say) a hundred times more active than it is now, we’d see fewer and bigger lava flows further down into the volcano. It probably has varied some, but not by nearly enough to make the difference between 2 million years and six thousand years. Consider: 99.9 percent of the lava happened over two thousand years ago; for 6,000 years to be the maximum age of Etna, that 99.9 percent would have to have happened within a span of 4,000 years–in other words five hundred times as fast on average, as the 2000 years we have historical records for. We’d know if Etna’s activity had changed that much, the volcano would look very different below the surface than it actually does.
[Modern dating methods apparently show an age for Etna of 500,000 years or so. Lyell was off by a factor of four, which isn’t bad given what he had to work with.]
There’s more to this particular sub-plot…but it will have to wait until I lay some more groundwork.
In particular, the next thing to talk about is the geologic time scale.
Final Thoughts
In the meantime, I’m going to drag out my soap box.
Today, Young Earth Creationists like to complain that no one will take them seriously when it comes to the age of the Earth, because the mainstream geologists have a “presupposition” that the Earth is old. They have to fight against a “mainstream” that is just predisposed against them. And no one will give them a chance.
What is a “presupposition,” anyway? Well, to start with let’s just say it’s basically walking through the door into nature’s classroom–a figure of speech meaning going out into the world and examining it–thinking you already know the answer to the question you want to (pretend to) ask.
Recall, though, that in the 1700s geology must have looked like a present-day Young Earth Creationist’s idea of paradise. The mainstream geologists thought just like they do, that the Earth was 6000 years old.
The geologists from the 1700s had a presupposition too, one that said the Earth is 6000 years old (give or take). I don’t fault them for it. They had nothing else to go on. It fell to them to find something. So what happened when these people and their presupposition went “through the door” and into nature’s classroom, went out into the field, got dirty and sweaty climbing hills and mountains, crossing ravines, wading in streams so they could look at rocks, take copious notes, making as many drawings, and finally, lugging samples?
These people realized their presupposition was wrong. The weight of the evidence was simply too great to bear. I alluded to Mount Etna, but that’s only a minuscule fraction of a percent of what has come to light both before it and after. It simply made no sense to people who had actually been there and done that with their eyes open and their brains engaged, to cling to a young Earth age.
They were good scientists. They didn’t let their preconceived notions force them to ignore what they saw. They didn’t behave like today’s Flat Earthers, cramming their fingers into their ears, squeezing their eyes shut and saying “Nuh-uh! I know it’s flat, anything else must be fake.”
And this was only the beginning. It’s now two centuries later, and the weight of now centuries of unearthed (literally) evidence points in the same direction.
Is someone aware of all of this holding onto a “presupposition” when they refuse to take seriously those that are ignorant (often willfully so) of that evidence?
Or is it the other way around? Is it the Young Earth Creationists who are the ones with the presupposition? Are they projecting? I maintain that the answer is yes. And today, I can fault them for it, because we have more than enough info to counter the presupposition. It’s worse than that though: The YECs from two centuries ago were willing to abandon their presupposition in the face of the evidence; the modern YECs will do their damnedest to come up with scenarios ranging from the sublime to the ridiculous to torture the data to make it somehow conform to the presupposition. They desperately cling to it in a way the prior YECs did not. And it is, right now, pushing many of them to a breaking point, as much of a breaking point as The Final Experiment is for the flerfs.
I’ve just made some strong statements in that paragraph, but I will be backing them up over the next few posts.
For those of you who haven’t just rage quit, see you next week.
Interesting post by Martin Geddes, on how AI can help the regular person combat lawfare tactics.
AI delivers equality of arms in lawfare
The machinery of administration is no longer confined to the administrators
Martin Geddes
Dec 27, 2024
(edit: I can’t get the header image to show here, if you click the link, it will take you to the image which contains text referenced in the article below)
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“I have had sight of the correspondence and have looked into this case. This is a case which is a police led prosecution, where the police have charged you via a postal charge. In such situations, there is no requirement for the court to authorize the summons since it is a postal charge.
You have then been summoned to court, this summons was issued on 10th December 2024 for you to attend at court for the trial on the 10th March 2025 at 10am. This summons was issued by the court by a designated court officer who has the power to ussie summons under the Courts Act.
Everything within this case has complied with the Criminal Procedure Rules and legislative provisions appropriately.
Your next hearing is the trial due to take place on 10th March 2025 at 10am at Carlisle Magistrates Court.”
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“At the header image for this article I have put the fob-off letter from Carlisle Magistrates’ Court to my recent questions on the validity of a court summons. To remind you of the context, a minor parking incident (involving entrapment by Cumbria Constabulary) has escalated, as the police are operating a legal simulation to hide from accountability, and the courts are playing the same game, to cover for the police. The irony is that they are attempting to prosecute me for (lawfully) failing to disclose driver details (a violation of the innate right not to incriminate oneself), while themselves failing to disclose who they are and under what authority they act.
In this instance, what is of interest to readers is less the case in itself, than the process of engaging with authorities who do not wish to be held to account for following their own polices and procedures. In the past we have been faced with an unenviable choice: give in and surrender to their demands; invest enormous time and energy to educate ourselves on their bureaucracy; or hire expensive professional held to defend us from predatory practises. My experience in the last six months is that AI is a game changer in how we interact with public authorities, as it transforms the balance of power between officials conducting lawfare and the general public as their victims.
My purpose in writing this article is to share my own procedure of working with AI in this case, to inspire you to take up “AI arms” against injustice. A friend who does this kind of legal work for a living recently converted to ChatGPT and is not an evangelist, as it saves so much work, and produces better outcomes. I am a paying user for ChatGPT, as it is tangibly ahead of the alternatives I have tried — X’s Grok and Google’s Gemini. I am finding Grok taking the place of traditional web search for “point” queries, and Gemini for occasional tasks like OCR of documents that ChatGPT may struggle with.
In a new ChatGPT session I uploaded all the existing correspondence with Cumbria Constabulary and Carlisle Magistrates, as well as my own articles. You have to train the AI, and that’s an issue where a lot of physical paperwork is involved. I asked ChatGPT to transcribe a phone camera photo of the new letter, and to analyse their response — which it should be noted has the name and position of an official, but is unsigned, and also lacks the very same disclosures required by statute law.”
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Interesting and encouraging.
Yes. I’m going to look for somewhat similar opportunities to use AI in the same manner.
When I was young (late 1960s), I got a set of twelve little posters that said “What if the Earth were….” and had a picture of that sort of Earth with the description. Choices included toroidal, dodecahedral, cubical, and the like.
But one option was “Wegeneroidal”, because Wegener’s 1915 theory of continental drift was so “unproven” as to be considered speculative. Of course, it didn’t help the study of geology that much of it was then encumbered by large numbers of people shooting at each other.
[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_drift ]
It should also be noted that Dyson spheres became very popular in science-fiction of the 1970s (although the concept seems to have originated with Stapledon in 1937 and been popularized by Dyson in 1960 [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_sphere ]). It may that imagining different forms of the earth may have lead to imagining different forms for a solar system.
A Dyson sphere would (without new physics) be useless, honestly. At least, it would be useless for living space.
The interior of a hollow shell will have no gravity; nothing would make people “stick” to the inside. (The outside would be a different story but would have to be heated and lit to, oh, about the same temperature it’s getting now with no Dyson sphere–and the gravity would likely be very, very weak.)
So rotate the sphere to get gravity, you say. But that would leave the axis of rotation weightless, with weight increasing as you get closer to the sphere’s “equator.”
You need Star Trek style “real” artificial gravity for this. OR, do not make it a solid sphere.
Of course as a reader of Larry Niven you know about ringworlds, but they are fundamentally unstable. If the ring drifts ever so slightly non-concentric with the sun, the sun will pull it further off axis and eventually the ring will collide with the sun.
That’s why you have Bussard ramjets all along the rim, duh.
That works until some bunch of assholes steals them.
Yeah, it really sucks when that happens. Jackwads.
Breaking out of character here for those who are not Ringworld-savvy. Those who are should ignore.
Larry Niven wrote a series of books about Ringworld in his “Known Space” universe. Ringworld, itself, was published in 1970.
*spoilers within*
Ringworld was constructed as a giant flat ring with interior flanges set spinning around a star. The flanges nicely kept in a breathable atmosphere, while the spinning nicely provided a reasonable semblance of gravity. It probably looked like a loop of Hot Wheels track in space, for those of a particular age.
Inside the ringworld loop, there were large blocks on a smaller loop that alternately shaded some zones on the ring as they spun, providing night and day. These blocks also incorporated some meteor protection.
The basic structure of Ringworld was of scrith — highly condensed matter that was well-nigh (though not completely) indestructible. Along the elevated edge of the scrith were mounted Bussard ramjets for spin corrections. The original designers of the ringworld were extremely conservative.
Unfortunately, they went off to other things and their later custodians were less conservative. They robbed a bunch of the Bussard ramjets off the rim for their own projects.
Many years before the relevant novels, a fast moving asteroid called “Fist-of-God” impacted the bottom of the ringworld, creating a mountain on the inside. It also shoved the ring off-center to the sun in a way that would eventually destroy the entire structure.
In order for the ring to be stabilized, many horrific actions needed to be taken — solar flares from the meteor protection of the solar belt would be trained on inhabited areas; ramjets would need to be redeployed or seized from those using them; resources would need to be redeployed regardless of local populations…..
The Ringworld Cycle —
It is, of course, recommended that you read the first few Ringworld books.
Well, crap. I never knew about the last of them until now.
At least we get to see where Neil Stephenson got his idea for the second half of Seveneves. 😮
Not really. That ring is a bunch of disconnected habitats all in geosynch, so they’re in freefall.
Ringworld spins fast enough to provide 1 G on its inner surface. That works out to 770 km per second.
Come to think of it, it was a bad time for archeological expeditions as well — you never knew if a simple jaunt to find the Ark Of The Covenant might lead to you being the center of an international diplomatic incident.
Thanks for a very interesting read, Steve, that reviewed some things I’d been taught years ago and added a lot to it. I’m looking forward to the next installments.
If there are only two flerfer responses to The Final Experiment — “1) Those who claim the whole thing is faked, and: 2) Those who claim that they can shoehorn what happened into the Flat Earth model somehow.” — then I suppose that was predictable. It is unfortunate that there are none, or maybe only a few, who are looking at it with open minds.
Jeran shows some promise. He’s hoping someone can come up with something creative; he fully acknowledges that the Gleason map (the UN flag looking thing) is debunked. He thinks Hanvey (one of their two great hopes) is full of it. Jeran actually said it might be a sphere, but he would still insist that the sphere is at the center of the universe.
(And I’m not as dismissive of that as many might think. One could actually make that argument on general relativity grounds, but then his main objections to the Earth rotating would disappear anyway. Basically according to GR, you cannot tell whether the Earth is spinning or the rest of the universe is–it would even pull the Earth into an oblate shape doing so, just like a spinning Earth would. The problem is, Jeran won’t accept a spinning globe because of the usual BS arguments like planes couldn’t fly with the 1000mph wind etc. But if it were the universe spinning, we’d see the exact same thing as with the earth spinning. The two situations are equivalent under GR. So if we don’t see these things happen in real life either explanation works according to GR.)
Today. Given what we know, or I think I know, can’t figure the Earth as the center of the universe.
But, Flat Earth, truly takes the cake for absurd.
Agreed. Even granting the GR point, earth at the center and everything else rotating around it is wag the dog.
Geocentrists generally thought (and those who hold to it still think) the universe is a LOT smaller than we presently think it is. I recall reading somewhere that the Greeks estimated a couple of light years to the outer firmament (which was a full sphere, not a dome, in their view)…which is still ridiculously wag-the-dog. The current flat Earthers consider themselves geocentrists and their “universe” is less than a million miles across.
If the universe is truly infinite, how do you find the center?
Many infinite things do have a center, for example lines radiating out from a chosen point, out to infinity.
From the standpoint of someone at the center, the universe would look isotropic–the same in all directions. But not from other places; someone (say) a mile away would see lines that get closer together in one direction.
Neither observer would see homogeneity, which describes a situation in which no matter where you go things look the same.
If you zoom out enough, our universe appears to be very homogeneous and isotropic–this is the “cosmological principle”–so it’s hard for us in this situation that we actually have to pick some absolute center point. (Zoom in closer, there’s “short” range (tens of millions of light years) lumpiness; there are superclusters of galaxies consisting of clusters of galaxies, consisting (of course) of galaxies, then you get down to stars and planets. Between all of these things is lots and lots of almost empty, very low density space. Apparently the average density of our universe is a few atoms per cubic meter (that includes whatever the heck dark matter turns out to be; ordinary matter it’s less than one atom per cubic meter). It’s obviously a lot higher around here, even in the air.
Paxton is going to go down as one of the heroes of our age.
But there’s this, which I guess is real. The entire discussion is not shown, so I don’t know what degree of H1B each man was arguing for or against. If the idea was no foreign workers, period, that’s different than opening the floodgates.
Felon Musk is a petty, vindictive, contemptible little fool.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out. He has an opportunity to listen and learn. If he doesn’t, he loses MAGA support.
there is nothing “maga” about Musk…he’s a litigious scamming self-serving snake oil salesman who has sucked up to Trump to protect himself and his govt subsidies, grants & contracts and to get control over regulation of same…for himself only.
I am not part of his fan base and never will be.
he’s a vindictive little tyrant who implodes in RAGE when he doesn’t get his way.
he and his oligarch tech buddies.
maga my ass.
wake up.
I didn’t say he was MAGA. I said he will lose the support of MAGA.
what is “maga”, anymore ??
it used to be a clever slogan (originated by Ronald Reagan, btw)…but it’s become almost trite and cliche, by now (imo).
I am not “alt-right”, I am not a Q person, I am not fringe…
I am a Conservative, never a leftie, never a commie or a socialist…I used to be an Independent with kinda Libertarian leanings (??)…usually disillusioned by American politricks and what we’ve been given as Presidential choices, over the years.
I voted for Trump, each time, including recently.
but is Trump even “maga”, anymore ??
he’s sold out to the Silicon Valley technocrats, Peter Thiel, et al, and it’s starting to look like he’s into it.
the ppl he’s chosen for his cabinet basically all suck (imo).
so..yeah…that MAGA thing…
seen better days.
There are some who would say that he sold out to the mafia or the labor unions or the idiots in Albany to build each project in New York City. He understands that you have to be able to work both angels and demons into your plans in order to get things done on this planet.
He’s managing to pry Silicon Valley technocrats out of the orbit of Obama, Pelosi, and Random Nuisance. They have been willing accomplices to so much evil in the past that extreme skepticism is warranted…..but we’ll see how it works out with VSGPOTUSDJT.
Exactly. He uses his influence to effect change, and that involves working with powerful people who have not been on board. He also has to work with the Congress that he has.
“prying” the technocrats ??
they’ve bought their way in.
and it’s quid pro quo, not 5D chess.
lots & lots of money.
he lost me with Musk from the git go.
huge depressing downer, that infantile clown.
Do you own a Tesla?
Musk may have his moments, but he has been responsible for a huge decline in $/kilo to orbit and increase in internet ubiquity. He doesn’t need to be a saint to be appreciated for that.
do you know the story behind Tesla ?
Musk is no “founder”.
nor is he an engineer or a scientist.
he’s a litigious scammer.
a vicious, greedy, arrogant , transhumanist technocrat who pretends to be doing it all “for humanity”.
I’ve spent the last 3 weeks trying, in vain, to find something somewhere that will dissuade me from my extremely negative CRINGE-LEVEL disgust for Elon Musk…a gut feeling kind of cringe…skin crawling kinda cringe..
but I have found nothing but bad news about that creep.
so you can spare me yr praise for his unsaintly attributes, it all falls flat.
I know many stories about Tesla — I live just down the road, after all. And it is one of his companies of which I am least fond. But I don’t judge Musk just from that.
I’m concerned about Musk’s tunnel company…and the those tunnels rumored to be funneling missing children to predators around the country.
That’s disturbing 🙁 (the tunnels, not your comment)
*shrugs*
Like pretty much everyone, he’s got his good points and his bad points. I can condemn the latter while lauding the former. And his story is not completely written yet.
Smiley, I’m listening – you have strong spiritual discernment. Musk is an enigma. About a year ago, he a conversation on Babylon Bee where he ostensibly agreed to allow GOD to save him. I don’t know that the Christians on Bee have followed up with discipleship measures. Tucker and Trump have also got to a point where they have gained a level of the fear of GOD.
I haven’t ‘trusted Trump’ as I once did before the planned pandemic with the engineered virus, Pence’s authority over the White House response and election integrity, and his perfidy on Jan 6, since the Operation Warp Speed vaccines and since the deadly covid pharmaceutical (Remdesivir) he promoted, since the respirators killed so many people.
I’ve been a Christian, baptized at age 12, on an up and down journey, falling, failing, returning to GOD as events and pain have driven me back to Him time and again. I know now, no matter how hard and often I seek GOD and His Word, there is more to learn, grow, repent of as each year goes by. I am, like Paul, chief of sinners, there is no final achievement of holiness, until I’m dead, resurrected and receive my glorified body, mind and heart.
Best we can do for Trump, Musk, Tucker, is to pray for them, speak truth to and about them, stand firm in our convictions – as you are doing.
Thank you for being you – a strong truth warrior!
Psalm 118:8-9 We must trust GOD alone, not kings, princes, elites.
Well stated. I am going to do a related new post further down as my response is too long for WP’s posting format.
Amen! & so well said–TY & God Bless!
No Tesla for me more so than ever. Not supporting the moron. He might be a savant but lacks social grace.
Some of that lack of grace is probably connected to him (presumably) being on the autism spectrum, fwiw.
Ahhhhhh.
When perfect isn’t good enough…
My Dad would say “Isn’t it a pity not everyone is perfect like us?” We would all laugh and calm down.
As Bannon says “Musk is a man child”.
He is a wet slap to Americans who went to public school, military then to University and made the US what it became without Musk and Vivek. Musk and Vivek benefited from the exceptionalism and opportunities this country offers.
Like many very bright people, Musk doesn’t see the need for people to develop. They just are. So he grabbed a bunch of qualified people from outside the US to work at his companies…..but he’ll have to do it again, because there’s nobody being developed to work at his companies next year.
Seriously, sci-tech draw (and even arts and humanities draw) of foreigners to study and work in any country IS a critical and objective metric of “greatness” – which is why everybody went to Europe (including England) to study and research – BEFORE World War II basically destroyed the existing centers and allowed significant dispersion of “greatness” elsewhere.
MAGA doesn’t happen if we lose the stuff that Musk is rightly obsessing about. But at the same time, MAGA doesn’t happen if America is destroyed underneath him, by the globalist CRAP that brings all the foreign problems into America.
Obama weaponized legal immigration, too, and I think Musk is starting to get that aspect as well.
This fight needed to happen, because the divided extremes kept both sides from fixing the hole in the middle, ripped there by Osatan and his backers.
I certainly get that — we stole Einstein, Fermi, von Braun…..we stole and stole and kept on stealing — but not to rinse test tubes.
Immigration BASED ON MERIT.
Immigrants should NOT have access to any ‘free’ US social services PERIOD. That includes unemployment insurance.
They also should have a sponsor that is financially and legally responsible for them.
To put it bluntly REPEAL TED KENNEDY’S IMMIGRATION LAW!
How the Immigration Act of 1965 Changed the Face of America
This ^^^
Correct again, Gail.
We seem to miss where this and other messes went off the rails – which was intentional dating back many years. We have to rebuild the track for the MAGA train to proceed as planned.
Yes, and I think this ‘War’ was a means of laser focusing on the whole immigration mess.
If we do not FIX immigration and DEMAND integration into American society, then the Globalists win.
I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO LEARN SPANISH in order to communicate in MY COUNTRY!
Unregulated immigration is about to destroy Europe.
From Brave AI:
Europe Immigration Statistics
Europe Immigration Percent:
The percentage of immigrants in Europe varies by country.
The UK is 14.2% add another 10% minimum for child of immigrant. (24% +)
Approximately 23% of Germany’s population, or 18.9 million people, are either immigrants or the children of immigrants.
>>>>>>>>>>
When the immigrants do not assimilate as Moslems do not, you are going to have major problems like Germany and the UK are experiencing
Ain’t going to disagree, except that I’d be willing to accept more “average” people…provided everything else you said is true (no services, must have a sponsor who will be responsible for them if they faceplant).
Sponsor based is the way to go. When ho are sponsored bring in their parents then they do not get social services. This will stop much.
Felon Musk.
Literally?
I got it you’d like Musk to fade away.
a legal “gray area”…
Musk is a liar & a bullshitter…
he was on a student visa , enrolled at Stanford U, then dropped outa there after exactly 2 days…1995 or so….gets a loan from his dad, starts Zip2….sold that for 300m 4 yrs later..
he dropped out of school to build a company, illegally, on a student visa.
that plus a lot of other violations he’s under investigation for…
heh heh…DOGE….right.
no wonder he’s cozied up to Trump so he could finesse the Doge idea for his own benefit.
Musk is a walking, talking Conflict of Interest wrapped in a deceitful cloak of Double Standards.
way to go there, MAGA.
sure as hell ain’t what I voted for.
Definitely with you on this, smiley, thanks for speaking up 👍
ok, thanks.
He created a 300M company in the US in four years on the wrong kind of visa??? Starting with an initial investment shipped in from South Africa?
https://www.flyingpenguin.com/?p=56314
The vindictive war has begun. Bags of salt are ordered and enroute.
Pass the popcorn, please. 😂
Trump has been silent on this, to my knowledge. It will be interesting to see what he does. They have to answer to him.
Trump knows what he’s doing, IMO. He knows exactly where the optimum is, because MAGA runs in his blood. It’s complicated, but Trump gets it because he relates intuitively to the top AND the bottom of American power – to the elite and the proliest proles.
I think Trump’s silence is exactly what he should be doing. Let the kids yell and get dramatic, and when that’s over, do the right things that will be clear and obvious.
I think it is quite informative to note Trump’s take on the longshoremen’s strike.
Reading between a lot of lines, he essentially said that the ports suck in a big, bad, ugly way that is way beyond automating the stupid cranes — the cranes are not the bottleneck. The bottleneck is the train and truck connections and warehouses, which are all jammed into lovely bayside luxury real estate that can’t become condos.
So why are we even talking about automation in this contract?
Interesting, because it means that Newscum has been intentionally sabotaging the ports with his BS about the trucks.
Only partially. A lot of Newscum’s port/truck BS is just wishful thinking and totalitarianism, because there’s no way to make it work at all.
Let’s put it this way…..the big fix for ports is to change the way ships are loaded and unloaded from the freight systems, so cargo takes up less time and real estate in coastal areas.
Let’s say you steered a ship into the port of Los Angeles, and giant arms grabbed the entire loaded ship within an hour and hauled it off to Barstow (in the desert on the other side of LA from the coast). No time at the coast, no space needed for the ship, no room at the coast to store containers, no traffic or train congestion across the middle of LA…..mind you, nobody had giant robots that can do this — but it would solve a lot of problems.
Or how about another option — as soon as a ship comes into the port of LA, regular crane operators start unloading containers — but instead of unloading them onto trucks or stacks or railcars, they drop each into a subterranean car in a BORING tunnel, where it gets whisked off to Barstow. After it is completely empty, it is moved forward to another dock, where cars in a tube from Barstow are loaded onto it. All the sorting, storage, trucks, trains, and pollution are dealt with out in Barstow, and the waterside can be developed into luxury real estate.
A discussion of other port facilities — https://www.marineinsight.com/know-more/major-u-s-east-coast-ports/
More ports — https://www.gocomet.com/blog/top-container-ports-in-the-united-states/
“where cars in a tube from Barstow are loaded onto it” –> “where containers from cars in a tube from Barstow are loaded onto it”
Chiefio (E.M. Smith) has a few articles touching on Gruesome Newscum’s draconian fuel laws for freighters and trucks servicing them for Kalifornistan ports. Seems that special fuel is needed in order to meet CARB requirements, as well as trucks needing to be relatively new (also CARBage)…
Unfortunately that hits the independent truckers who often own older trucks and run produce from CA to the rest of the states.
Wanna know why lettuce and tomatoes are so expensive? Make it impossible for the Indies to run older PAID FOR trucks.
Along with the newest diesel trucks.
Toss in the CA CARB (California Air Resources Board) regulating diesel trucks allowed to operate in CA.
money
runs in his blood.
let’s be real.
Whose blood? Musk, Trump, or someone else?
Musk is the center of the universe of problems?
Musk looks demonic in this picture disturbing.
Horrifying.
Totally agreement, let the kids throw their tantrums, and then he’ll show them the way forward. He’s like the parent who already knows what the outcome from such actions is going to be.
Musk and Vivek are tools, that can deliver great things for America, which includes Americans. (Foolish I felt the need to add the final three words.)
Of course Musk and Vivek are Not All In MAGA, America First.
As poste yesterday, Trump needs maneuver room. Always has. Always will.
Just as Trump went through large numbers in his first administration, Trump will go through large numbers in his second administration.
Staff will ideally be useful tools, until they are Not useful.
Truly, This Concept Is Not Rocket Science. It can deliver superb results, with focus.
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Take this one to the bank.
Who benefits from all of this Musk / Vivek bed wetting?
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Having a spine goes a long way.
Here’s what Trump said in 2016:
Excellent. Trump gets it.
What’s more, he “got it” clear back in 2016.
And those were the same positions as decades before.
that was then…what about NOW.
maybe that’s why he’s not saying much….too much conflict between then…and what he’s got on his team now.
It was all predictable.
Trump was, is not surprised, other than timing. Inevitable.
His team is very large and for all their visibility, Elon and Viveck are simply two individuals. They have their own opinions. I also have mine. Their opinions and mine are not necessarily ones President Trump will follow. Trump is a leader and as much as I can trust humans, I trust him to respect American people as individuals and to do what he can to do the right thing.
Bingo.
There is a place for H1B.
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Noted elsewhere today.
While Congress AND states can do this.
DOGE may give it a huge boost, as America flushes away illegals, mooching off of tax payers.
YUP!
This was the law in1964 when I came.
That is what I mentioned yesterday. E. M. Smith (Chiefio) was working at Disney and had to train his replacement. So he wrote an article about it. (I could not find it.)
This is a different person but the same subject.
https://www.fox26houston.com/news/disney-workers-forced-to-train-their-foreign-replacements
(full story on Fox Business)
EM was working in Orlando and told the same story.
Evil, lying, American management – pushed and shoved by Demmunist lawfare and bankster gangsterism – holding the DEI and ESG guns to their backs – is why H1B lies are told.
I had to do it at a few companies, both here and in the USA.
Indeed, I was at Qume in the Silly Valley back in the 1970s, and a graffito in the loo said to the effect “watch out who you coach, it could be your replacement”…. and that was 50 years ago… right when we in the valley were struggling to absorb the Vietnamese boat people….. how soon people forget… although many of those people helped the Silicon Valley…
For a time, Adobe was my favorite contract job. I had a chance later to work for them but declined. They wanted to send me to India to each people there how to be technical writers. It felt like betraying my fellow countrymen, so I said no thanks.
My son in law worked with India do not know what he did. Was about computers . He used to own his own company.
Musk says, “[t]he reason I’m in America along with so many critical people who built SpaceX, Tesla, and hundreds of other companies that made America strong is because of H1B.”
This is a profoundly messed-up statement.
If he had said, “the means I’m in America…..is H1B,” then his statement might be accurate. I can, however, absolutely guarantee that the reason he is here is not because the US has a profound clusterfark of an immigration program. That may be a siren call for others who wish to prey on our incompetence and weakness, but Musk and his productive friends are here because of opportunities to do wonderful, amazing things.
please.
he’s here bc he maneuvered his way into the USA.
that’s what he does…
he maneuvers.
rules regulations boundaries ethics don’t really apply to him.
He’s here because he wanted to be in the USA. He got here through maneuver.
To say he is here because he maneuvered is to mix up cause and means. If he could have gotten here without such maneuvers, he would have.
It’s like saying that he ate a hamburger because he could grill it.
word salad !👎😖
Let’s see how it ages.
Goodnight, smiley, and best wishes for a joyful tomorrow!
Yay anyway !
I missed that rally.
Oh, give it a rest.
Excellent point.
He could have said the reason I came to America am an American is because of opportunity no other country would have given to me. I am grateful to the American people.
He does not get it.
Big egos clashing….
Big hot conversation about this at CTH
A Highly Toxic Silicon Valley Meltdown Over Well Documented H1B Visa Fraud Explodes – The Last Refuge
yes, I checked and that Elon response is real, and obviously an aggressive comment. Nevertheless, like Every screenshot, it is taken out of context whenever a comment is part of an ongoing discussion thread; this comment is ONE in a discussion thread that continued after this screenshot with @steven praising Elon. I don’t know Elon’s relationship with this guy. The comments within the thread by other participants are also instructive.
WHY is it helpful to bring a snippet like this – yes, volatile – without the full context? Either we should care enough to join X and get the full context or abstain from posting provocative X screenshots, especially when the entire topic is an open and ongoing discussion where Elon is but one voice, and even he is posting more than one opinion as the topic evolves.
As much as I cringe at some of the wording and postures in the H1b that are flowing through cyberspace, I don’t share the sentiments that Elon & Vivek are out over their skis and should shut up. I am relieved that this nasty ‘legal’ destructive force to many American families is out in the open .., the ultimate result is both the magnifying glass on the H1b visas and the underlying travesty of destruction that we’ve endured in the USA to our culture & education. Our drive to excel; our will to compete and celebrate merit.
I am very appreciative that Elon and others – Rumble, GAB – have given us the ability to speak and BE HEARD.
When the internet first came into being, my thought was ‘finally the people in repressed countries like Iran will have a voice’ …. a couple decades later I realize it was also We, The People in USA who had no voice. Elon was instrumental in giving us that voice, and he is correct that HE is a legal immigrant who has built huge economic opportunities for us. If that has given him a big ego, so be it. That doesn’t preclude we are participating openly and publicly in ‘messy democracy’ with this being the first of many controversial topics.
As much as I hate conflict, debate and snark, I am energized by this ongoing exchange by thousands of voices on X and I encourage others to join X and read threads of discussion for yourself rather than reacting to ‘one off’ screenshots. There are some really thoughtful perspectives you are missing.
here is Steven Mackey’s response to Elon’s tweet from the thread between the two.
Thanks for bring that here.
I have to agree. DH just came back from town and he has been listening to progressive radio as he loves to here them wine about Trump and how bad it is. That was his big thing last night was the left was getting what they wanted. Well they are all getting there popcorn and having a ball. I hate it when they win. So have a good time regressives if you are reading this. As I too go over to there sights to see what they are saying.
I hope everyone can calm down and stop taking things out of con-texted. We are not going to agree with everything every one says. That is what the discussions are for.
This.
Alison, Thank you for the sane reality check.
Yes Musk gave us a voice and now he takes it way from anyone who does not agree with him. Turns out hero is a tyrant.
How has he taken it away? There are plenty of folks discussing this and other topics on X with and without Elon. We never would be able to have the enormous public discussions that have been ongoing on X.
“No more abuse: no choosing foreigners in jobs easily filled by qualified Americans.”
There should be qualified Americans for almost anything (except maybe translating into obscure (to us) foreign languages. But our “educational” system sucks. We need to fix that too.
“… But our “educational” system sucks. We need to fix that too…”
AMEN!
From my notes during OH!Bummer:
in January 2009 America, with a workforce 140-million strong, is now in the ridiculous situation of having those with manufacturing jobs (12.7 million) vastly outnumbered almost 2:1 by our (economically-speaking) non-value-added government employees (22.5 million).
Employment – Without a manufacturing base the can be no sustained employment. We had LESS manufacturing jobs in 1996 than in 1970. Clinton’s ratifying the World Trade Organization accelerated the shipping of US jobs overseas.
Education – Give me the child and I will give you the man, remember that from the Jesuits? The socialists have learned that lesson very well.
👉the U.S. ranks 21st out of 29 of OECD countries in math🙄
One of the major problems is American education has gone down the tubes.
…the U.S. ranks 21st out of 29 Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) countries in mathematics scores, with nearly one-quarter of students unable to solve the easiest level of questions.…In 2000, 28 percent of all freshmen entering a degree-granting institution required remedial coursework
http://www.edreform.com/_upload/CER_JunkFoodDiet.pdf
Is it any wonder Corporations now import workers from other countries?
They dumbed the SAT down in the mid nineties, enough that my old scores from the early 80s correspond to “easily acing” that one.
And apparently they’ve done it again since, though it’s hard to tell when it also got reorganized.
Yes education sucks all three my kids went to public school graduated 2nd and third and 19 in classes of 2000. They all took advanced calculus and physics in High school. This can be done its a mind set. I always told my kids from little on they are bright for their age. Encouraged them bought books went to libraries with them. Limited TV and they had responsibility in the family. I know people from the Hallows who went to crappy schools and are brilliant.
Yes we need to get back to better schools and parents helping the kids that learning is fun.
If I had children (and the money) I would get the kids this:
https://www.crunchlabs.com/products/build-box-subscription?product-handle=build-box-subscription-annually
It is from D-Pats offering
Testing The World’s Smartest Crow
We need to fix the CULTURE, not just the schools. Parents need to be more focused on their kids in making sure they are disciplined in their endeavors, and not so overloaded. They also need to get off the screens from time to time.
My brother and SIL are perfect examples how NOT to parent. They want to be cool, and laid back, and it just doesn’t work that way.
AMEN!!!
The Communist worked very hard to kill good parenting here in the USA. In MA it was ILLEGAL to spank a child when I was living there.
Also here where I live, teachers ENCOURAGE children to TATTLE on their parents. I know of one family where the Dad is in prison and the child uses “I will tell the truth” to get goodies (Like a car) and then reneges.
Seems it is swinging back to a more reasonable attitude in MA .
The problem with these laws, is they can be EASILY misused by the child since in some cases it is the word of the child, OR the child can self-inflict ‘The Evidence’
DP, I sense you are feeling much better.
Sure, not 100%. But, much better.
If so, good news is an understatement..
Well…some things are improving, some things are taking their time. Still using the nicotine patch 12 hours a day, and have taken out all carbs. No brain fog, just still this post nasal drip resulting in a wet cough, fatigue in SOME parts of the body, and bloating with some female stuff tossed in. The recovery is going to be gradual as I understand it.
Yep. Here’s a poster that has many variants but rings true (as opposed to the ridiculous Dr. Spock pablum):
Amen you are so right.
I have met brilliant Americans who floored me have some in family. One going to graduate this coming spring and worried getting a job. One next fall double major . Both brilliant in mathematics computer engineering and civil engineering.
It’s a start. This idea needs to take hold.
Amen!!!
Yup. I know this story with different characters and scenery..
There was a major change in the mindset of corporations. During the 1950s, 60s, and into the 1970s, people were looked at as long term assets that a company would hire and train. People stayed with a company for years.
Then then was Reagan and the leveraged buyout feeding frenzy followed by Clinton’s ratifying the World Trade Organization (Fair Trade)
this article is from 2007
Foreign Ownership of US Domestic Industries
This data comes from IRS (Internal Revenue Service) – Current as of 2002 (latest data available).
FOREIGN OWNERSHIP OF SELECTED U.S. INDUSTRIES
Industry ……………………….. Percentage Foreign Owned
Sound recording industries …………………………… 97%
Commodity contracts dealing and brokerage …….. 79%
Motion picture and sound recording industries …… 75%
Metal ore mining …………………………………………… 65%
Database, directory, and other publishers ………… 63%
Book publishers …………………………………………… 63%
Engine, turbine and power transmission equipment . 57%
And the list goes on and on.
To put it bluntly FOREIGN COMPANIES DO NOT GIVE A F..K ABOUT AMERICANS!
Companies going global, with a singular focus on profits.
EXACTLY!
Trump has a heck of a lot of unraveling to do.
As a start:
GOOD Scientific, technical and trades training
GOOD America first corporations (OWNED by Americans)
Break-up monopolies and colluding among the top companies.
GET RID OF THE @#$%#$ LOBBYISTS!
Actually…part of the problem is the founders of such companies retiring, and or dying off. One big brokerage house here, the founder built in protections against hostile takeovers, and within five years of his retirement, the board voted to sell the company over the objections of the family.
It’s a complicated web.
“…It’s a complicated web.”
Very much so. I do not envy those who have to unravel all the damage done over the last century or more.
And the government/academic complex, as noted by Eisenhower…. seems that part of his farewell address has been all but ignored…
That is why I put up that song written by the physicist Arthur Roberts Friday as you saw.
…one single man remains aloof and silent in his chair.
And when the room is quiet and the crowd has ceased to cheer,
he rises up and thunders forth an answer loud and clear.
…Take away your army generals, their kiss is death I’m sure.
Everything I build is mine, every volt I make is pure.
Take away your integration and let us learn and let us teach.
For beware this epidemic, for colitis I beseech…
https://www.smecc.org/arthur_roberts_-_physics_songs.htm
The platform for the GangGreens, founded in 1990 along with the Berlin Wall falling in the wrong direction (i.e. West Germany is now the commie dump) was de-industrialization of Germany, spearheaded by the elimination of nuclear power, followed by coal, wood, and then natural gas, which would, of course, END the country.
We’re already seeing the results of this “Germany last” policy. Many companies are firing tens of thousands of employees and/or moving to other countries (relatively low wages only being part of it). One economist has said that in 2025 Germany will be facing its worst recession/depression in 100 years… think of those wheelbarrows with trillions of Reichsmarks for a loaf of bread…..
Will be interesting to see what happens on February 23rd (our pulled-forward national election after a no-confidence vote against Scholz) and afterward-seems the deep state will try to nullify the election (as they did in Romania) if their desired puppets don’t win…..
I do not envy you or my relatives still living in Germany.
See the Bayh-Dole act of 1980 that transferred R&D from the corporations to the universities and academia. It started there.
My favorite article on this is an old Bloomberg one, “Where have you gone Bell Labs” that, unfortunately, is now behind a paywall.
The whole thing is a kludge. A passenger aircraft should not need software to correct engineering compromises/failures. Fighter jets, etc., OK, but NOT passenger jets.
Get rid of the DEIDIOTS at the top at Boeing, and start over on the 737s replacement/extension. Fixing the software and blaming people working on it is just putting lipstick on an inherently unsafe pig, and not solving the ROOT PROBLEM…
Agreed completely. This kind of “basic wrong thinking” is infecting everything, including (most dangerously) big pharma.
Somebody is getting it. Now don’t forget to blame the commies, progzis, and globaloids for their role in this mess.
THIS is why the argument had to happen and it had to happen NOW!
Makes me wonder if this was actually done on purpose given the timing.🤔
Had to happen now vs later so as to be less of a distraction when PDJT is actually in office IMO. Wouldn’t be surprised if PDJT was the one actually driving the conversation.
That is what I am beginning to think.
Immigration is a very big issue. More so than most realize. We already have eyes on the illegal border jumper issue. Now the focus is turning to Ted Kennedy’s sabotage, and How the Immigration Act of 1965 Changed the Face of America
We can see what uncontrolled immigration did to Europe and if you bother to look you can see what it is doing to the USA but ONLY if you remember the USA of the 1960s as POTUS Trump can.
Even in the 1900s and 1910s when “the doors were wide open” you needed a sponsor (if you were dead broke) and they checked you for diseases and did some vetting to make sure you weren’t a career criminal, though I can’t imagine that vetting worked really well back then. You couldn’t exactly pick up the phone, call the police in Pinsk and ask them about the guy standing in front of you.
Now we just let anyone collect in a big mob and open the gate.
In many ways, I can see both sides. My Spanish great-grandfather was imported labor in the zinc industry. He was a master zinc smelter along with MANY people from that part of Spain, the north. At the time, in the EARLY 1900s, the US didn’t have that skill set or capacity, and it was necessary. They all intended on going back to Spain, actually, until the revolution happened, and within a year, everyone had their American citizenship.
It’s a tangled web. My source in the poultry industry used to hire legal Mexican nationals who really did not have a problem diving into dirty jobs, and were VERY hard workers. They used to send food and such home as their people were not working there due to scarcity of jobs. That’s part of the puzzle as well.
None of this is cut and dried. There are many layers to it, and just cutting off all of it that isn’t illegal is going to create a big mess. The whole thing needs to be line itemed, and discussed piece by piece.
The Mexican worker/Farmer got eviscerated by NAFTA.
“The whole thing needs to be line itemed, and discussed piece by piece.”
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That will ensure that nothing happens and the status quo is infinitely preserved.
This is exactly why women should not be in positions of power or authority.
And no, that’s not a personal insult, it is a simple acknowledgment that men and women think very differently, and the ways in which we think are suited better for some things and worse for others.
You cannot handle national affairs like you are dealing with neighborhood children.
You have to take action, and it has to be decisive.
De Pat’s point is extremely valid. We are acting in the face of all the people trying to conflate illegal and legal immigration; economic and refugee status; importing geniuses and schlubs — flavoring the stew in order to further their own agendas in the confusion. It is imperative that we tease the threads apart and make the right choice for each group.
That said, we should cut the Gordian knot of the present immigration system, which is all sorts of FUBAR.
THere’s a lot of speculation that this is the case. Good move on his part, IMO.
I get it needs to happen but we also need to be careful not to let a grifter in. My dear husband also said Vivek said it needed to be gutted and reestablished.
Timing was a brain fart or two.
Needed to happen. Good it happened now. Not concerned here.
Indeed the left is winning on the Elon is President. My dear husband was having a fit about this last night. Laura Loomer was on Bannon and he had a fit. She got called out by Scott Adams, Elon himself and sort of by Charlie Kirk. After Charlie put his tweet out then she wanted to talk. Can’t wait for Bannon this morning. indeed it’s about time now. Even Salty was on it at first last night by the end of his show he was starting too get it. Don’t let the left win.
Agreed! And, because it happened, erm, indirectly, VSGPDJT can take the results and form them into a winning strategy (which he probably already knows, I know)… [some wags might say “third way”, but I’ll try not to…]…..
This is what is coming out in the fallout from the entire discussion and debate. Cold, hard facts.
YUP!
And that is why I am so happy to see this blow-up. The American People will have ALREADY hashed-out the best solution BEFORE it ever gets to Congress.
This is the 40,000 foot view. Too many people are getting lost in the weeds.
Yes.
Right there with you & DPat! The conversations by many participants are very enlightening. Love being on X right now to get a fuller picture fir myself.
Free speech is what everyone was desiring. This clash over immigration visas is what it looks like. The political purpose of the internet was for the unrestrained clash of opinion. Granted it requires the reader to be both discerning and knowledgeable but that would be the case in any scenario. By all means defend your position but never lose sight of the possibility that you may be wrong. Vitriol and threat have never been worthy tools of debate. I think Depat has the measure of the importance and purpose of the debate.
Wonder if the great debate is going on other platforms like FB, Truth, Tik Tok…
Or primarily X. Because unrestrained clash of opinion is allowed.
I look at it as Brain storming. The best way to get the optimal solution.
Yes 👍👍 Because the discussion has continued long enough to get facts stated by those who know them, AND to publicly disagree with Elon & Vivek as opposed to pre-X when all threads would have been shut down.
it is great to see something that should have happened similarly during covid-vax but was completely throttled.
This!
Excellent comment! Many such perspectives will move the needle on immigration, education & culture if we have the WILL to see this through … politicians should not ignore what has erupted in the public arena.
Over at Insty, there’s a link to a Tweet that has the following as its teaser: “Having lived in Silicon Valley for 20+ years and founded and sold an AI company, I’ve seen firsthand how we rely on H-1B to fill grueling, unglamorous coding jobs. These jobs are essential, and we need capable people doing them. But the system needs an overhaul.”
[ https://instapundit.com/692881/ ]
And I was thinking about the reason I became a CPA.
At one point, when my father was putting himself through school, he worked as a technician in a chem lab. To hear him tell it, an average day was getting two solutions, cleaning 100 test tubes, and putting 1 drop of solution A in the first tube, two drops in the second, three drops in the third, and so on….then taking 100 drops of solution B in the first tube, 99 drops in the second, 98 drops in the third, and so on. Then getting 100 squares of filter paper, ensuring they weighed the same, and filtering and weighing the precipitate from all 100 test tubes and recording in a book. Then he’d rinse out the test tubes and go home.
Now, I had always been a techie kid. When I was in third grade, I had my own set of test tubes and a rack, and my school book said I wanted to be a scientist. But my dad’s experience did not sound like fun. He would get these instructions, wouldn’t even know what solution A or B was, wrote things in a book he did not get to understand (it was “above his pay grade”). I eventually reasoned (I was in High School at the time) that the people who got to dream up these tasks and interpret the results were the guys who controlled the money — so I threw out all of my techie dreams and set off to college to understand the control of money.
Mind you, my dad also had his share of unglamorous coding, in ForTran, on mainframes. He could read Hollerith code off of punched cards by eye. But these were the scut work he did before his career — where he retired the #3 Engineer at the City of Los Angeles.
The tweet at the top is dumb. People don’t get that you “pay your dues” and things get better….except if you’re an H-1B. Then, you’re hired to do one thing and stay there. In the meantime, all the permanent citizens don’t get to work their way up — they’re told to focus on ethnic gender studies and they can skip all that.
Part of the problem is high expectations and horrible work ethics.
Someone living in a shack with no electric and an outhouse, used to following the north end of a south facing mule, would be very happy to have that unglamorous test tube washing job. As a matter of fact that is a description of two of my bosses who worked their way out of Appalachian poverty. “… following the north end of a south facing mule…” is an actual quote from one of them.
Starting with the Boomers (like me) life has been made too easy for kids.
In the 1920s when my parents were born, Farmers made up 27% of labor force. So chances were your grandparents or other relative had a farm and you spent summers there as unpaid labor.
In the 1950s when I was growing up farmers were down to 12.2% of labor force, and by the 1980s they were down to 3.4%.
On top of that, youngsters in my youth were hired by neighbors to mow lawns, weed gardens…. stuff that is now done by immigrants. I certainly did my share of mowing with a push mower and weeding and babysitting and painting and wallpapering and….
What do we have now? Kids that sit on their butts staring at a phone expecting to be entertained!
I am surrounded by young folk and I can not even get them to come over and RIDE my ponies! They are too busy on their ATVs and computers and phones.
That’s by no means original to them. It’s likely part of the culture there to refer to monotonous farming jobs as that.
I am sure it is. One of the guys was the VP of Quality. I got to sit down and talk to him. His point of view was he loved school because he got to actually SIT DOWN!
Nothing like the canary trap being set…
Hmmm Is President Trump a political President or does he thrive on a team of authentice advisors? Mike Pence et al sure kept their comments to themselves and back-stabbed Trump for 4 years. I doubt if Trump wants Elon or anyone he hires to give him false opinions. What he WILL expect is differing opinions to be freely aired, then once POTUS makes a decision on a course of action to put differences aside and Get On Board.
At least that’s how I see it.
Yes Elon and anyone else cannot go and voice their personal opinions in public without POTUS consent if they represent him and America.
Elon and Vivek stirred up a hornets nest. We do not need that at this time.
Yes we do. Now LEGAL immigration and ‘gust workers will be the topic of conversation (or at least thought) over the NY holiday, just as the budget reconciliation bill was.
This firestorm is probably about the only, and best way to bring up the morass of the US Ed Biz, and the failures that have plagued it since the early 1900s.
People will be talking about schools and unis as a result of this without even realizing that H-1B brought them to the discussion. Because the schools ARE the root problem; H-1B is just treats the symptom(s) without ever effecting a cure. Goth lipstick on an academic pig…
What will get people whining (again) will be the fact that the REAL solution will take years, indeed decades, and no-one realizes it took decades to get to this point. But “gotta get those numbers next quarter, not later” sentiments and goal setting from the instant gratification crowd are going to make it a hard sell in some quarters… but (forgive me), no pain, no gain…
(as opposed to my favorite reply to that, “no pain, no pain” 🙂 )…..
Actually it has been over a century since JD Rockefeller funded John Dewey’s experimental Lab designed to turn little kids into good little mindless socialists.
I was a victim of See & Say in the 1950s.
At least we have Home Schooling taking off.
Homeschooling constitutes the education of about 3.4% of U.S. students (approximately two million students) as of 2012.
Victory in Australia:
Excellent!
This is a GREAT WIN!
Now send this to all your vaxed relatives that refused your advice not to get vaxed.
VINDICATION IN A COURT OF LAW! 
NOW Australia needs to hold its entire medical establishment, quacks AND government enforcers Personally responsible.
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Further mRNA , ModRNA, S,,,RNA (apologies PAVACA) Must Be Banned.
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Otherwise, that court ruling is useless.
TheseTruths
Wonderful!
HERE’S THE REPORT THAT CONFIRMS DR. DAVID SPEICHER’S EARLIER PAPER ON EXCESS DNA AND THE SV40 CANCER PROMOTER GENE BEING PRESENT IN COVID-19 “VACCINE” VIALS IN AUSTRALIA:
https://russellbroadbent.com/au/wp-content/uploads/David-Speicher-Report-2.pdf
9 September 2024
Here is the Results section of the above report:
What is crucial to note here is that testing done by PCR will likely show ** only ** slight variations of what exceeded TGA limits. HOWEVER, further testing by fluorometry determined that the DNA amounts DID exceed the TGA limits AND that there was SV40 in the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 “vaccine” vials.
HERE ARE THE LIES PUT OUT BY THE TGA IN AUSTRALIA REGARDING THIS SITUATION:
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/tga-takes-aim-at-covid-vaccine-contamination-misinformation/izih3hq07
Dr. William Bay was going to have his License to Practice Medicine revoked before his vindication by the judge!
Replying to my comment above: FOUND THE “KNOCK-OUT PUNCH” ARTICLES THAT PROVE THE ABOVE REGARDING EXCESS DNA AND THE SV40 CANCER PROMOTER IN THE BLOOD OF COVID-19 VAXXED AUSTRALIANS:
One: https://anandamide.substack.com/cp/153541066
“Bloody Hell”
23 December 2024
Yours Truly: This blog post cites the “Ryan, et al.” paper, which proves beyond doubt that excess DNA plus the kSV40 cancer promoter gene piece are present in the blood of COVID-19 “vaccinated” Australians. The paper is here:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9935276/
“A systems immunology study comparing innate and adaptive immune responses in adults to COVID-19 mRNA and adenovirus vectored vaccines”
Feargal J Ryan, et al.
17 February 2023
AND, Two: the above paper is further analyzed here:
https://anandamide.substack.com/p/chakraborty-part-ii-odak-et-al
“”Chakraborty Part II: Odak et al.”
13 December 2024
Yours Truly: This article is dense and very detailed. There are numerous gene code chains presented, as well as graphics, that conclusively show the excess amounts of DNA and the presence of the SV40 cancer promoter gene piece in the blood of COVID-19 “vaccinated” persons in Australia.
Here are the bottom lines:
**** One: The modRNA COVID-19 “vaccines” have excess amounts of “loose” DNA in them. This is proven beyond a reasonable doubt, using multiple testing techniques.
**** Two: The modRNA COVID-19 “vaccines” from Pfizer-BioNTech also have the SV40 African Green Monkey cancer promoter gene code piece.
**** Three: It appears that the highest amount of activity in the blood of COVID-19 “vaccinated” persons to introduce and spread the above two items are between Day 1 and Day 14 post-“vaccination.”
**** Four: The “loose” DNA and SV40 cancer promoter items were found even though special tests were used to remove the DNA from the blood samples taken from the COVID-19 “vaccinated” persons in the study. This means that in actuality, the amounts in the blood are likely much higher. It also means that the “loose” DNA in the modRNA COVID-19 “vaccines”, AND the SV40 cancer that is ALSO present in the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 “vaccines”, is in very high amounts when they are introduced into the body at COVID-19 “vaccination”, and is also likely impossible to completely remove.
**** Five: The Australian government and its TGA agency are LYING to the people of Australia about all of the above. (As does the United States government, the CDC, and the FDA lie to the people of the U.S. about the dangers of the COVID-19 “vaccines.”)
The implications of the results in the Ryan, et al., paper, are profound. This is ON TOP OF the fact that the modRNA COVID-19 “vaccines” CHANGE THE DNA OF THE HUMAN LIVER CELL LINE1. This is ON TOP OF the fact that the modRNA COVID-19 “vaccines” contain that damned
N1-METHYLPSEUDOURIDINE, which replaces (removes) the natural Uridine RNA in the “vaccinated” person’s body, replacing it with a combination of “fake Uridine” + a form of methane. This is ON TOP OF the fact that the modRNA COVID-19 “vaccines” (ALL of them—Pfizer-BioNTech; Moderna; Novavax) use dangerous lab-created LIPID NANOPARTICLES to spread these “vaccines” around in the body; lipid nanoparticles that the body is not well-equipped to recognize and eliminate.
Moved all 4 covid comments to:
STOP PRESS: New Study Confirms the Shedding of the COVID-19 BTI (Bioweapon Toxin Injections, aka the COVID-19 “Vaccines”)
PSA warning about a new scam called ‘brushing’:
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Eh, it’s an old-ish scam.
He’s talking about getting a shipment that you never ordered. Various things about the shipment may be “tainted” — there could be a QR code that drops malware on your phone, there can be a web link that goes to a bad website, etc.
In older times, you might get a floppy or a thumbdrive preloaded with malware. The upshot is to treat such items and such packaging as if it were radioactive.
They often do this with very elderly people, hoping that they will get all concerned and fall for it.
Yeah, except we’re about to roll into a generation of elderly paranoids.
…elderly paranoids.
Still on Tin Foil Hat syndrome. Guessing elderly paranoid is next. 🙃
Elderly Karenoids… 🙂
Yes, I could see my Hubby getting curious and thus falling for it.
I am getting an increasing number of these . . . not packages, but “Your account has been suspended”, “your payment is not accepted”, “Venmo says you owe $$$ to Mr. X” etc. Of course, I delete them without investigation. I’ve forwarded some to, for example, Amazon security.
Yup, I get the same crap frequently.
Spam filter gets additions daily.
I’m also getting a little twist on these. If you hover over the “from” I’d get something like “jaime1234@alo.com”. Now, I’m starting to get real people as the “from”. The latest was from Max Lucado . . . maxlucado@gmail.com. Just another variant.
Some mailers let you read the mail header without opening the mail, which makes it possible to see if there’s a spoof along the way (or if it’s actually Max Lucado on the other end 🙂 , OK, maybe)…
Sometimes I’d like to send a few million amps back down the line to the spammer(s)… but that’s too much… maybe a few thousand would do…
A few thousand would probably accomplish your purpose.
Thanks for posting this.
Minor quibble. This dude says return to sender.
Waste of my time, returning it. Trash can if I ever get one of these.
scott467
Thank you.
Yep, Yours Truly gets the following:
various emails from “some unknown person” saying that I paid X amount of money for a “partial BitCoin” purchase. The “sender’s” email address can be a fictitious front company, a person who likely doesn’t exist, etc. The “purchase” was “made” through PayPal via one’s bank account (one doesn’t have an account there.) Call the bank. No money has been withdrawn except by Yours Truly or auto-pay setup for utilities, insurance, etc. Email from the “sender” is forwarded to PayPal fraud department.
a card from USPS in the mailbox saying that one needs to go to the local PO to sign for and pick up a “package.” The card usually has a sender / vendor name that sounds foreign / unknown. Yours Truly knows that one hasn’t ordered anything from, say, India. Yours Truly doesn’t go to the PO to sign or pick up the “package.”
weekly phone calls from various phone numbers, all leaving message on one’s voicemail about “we see that you owe back taxes, please call this number to sign up with us and arrange for payment.” Nope.
weekly phone calls from various phone numbers, all leaving messages on one’s voicemail about “the court case you are involved in”, along with various threats regarding “process server” and/or “failure to appear at the hearing” stuff. Ignored.
Since I usually leave the phone on the back of the toilet, I very rarely get spam calls. It is Hubby who gets them. He has learned to swear in Hindi. 😆
Mark Rober (of the glitterbomb and squirrel obstacle course fame) tracked down and uncovered a HUGE Indian online scam call center… he learned quite a few new words along the way as well… I don’t have the link at hand, but the vid is great…
There also are some others out there dating from the “I’m from Microsoft and we’ve found a virus on your computer” days… and how some victims-to-be turned the tables on the scammers… one fellow had the scammers cussing and swearing, incandescent at having been outed and defeated…
We have Ubuntu. Hubby wrote computer manuals…
He is now retired and DELIGHTS in getting them to try and have him install what ever. He can keep them going for ages before they catch on.
Sarah throws in (h/t Insty) —
https://accordingtohoyt.com/2024/12/27/all-we-are-asking-is-give-kids-a-chance/