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TL;DR – I asked Grok a short question designed to elicit all the information I would need to quickly determine the “lay of the land” concerning the new Moderna mRNA flu shot.
I will give you the question, the answer, my analysis of the response, and my summarizing opinion. Part of that opinion is this.
I don’t take the flu shot any more, and I don’t take mRNA shots at all. The current facts surrounding the new mRNA flu shot have – in my opinion – strongly confirmed the correctness of these positions. I will not be taking this shot, and I will counsel all my friends and loved ones not to take it.
And, as part of loving my enemies, including those adorable radical pro-vaxx people, bless their hearts, I will counsel them to stick with older flu shots, if they feel they must take something. The risks of older flu shots are smaller, with roughly no net benefit, but at least they are not accepting a far WORSE AND RISKIER vaccination platform, compared to older flu shots, for what is, IMO – only marginal improvement in some indicators, and zero correction of fundamental problems which became known during the COVID shots.
The Question
Your mileage will vary on how to interpret this response by Grok. I think you and I are likely on the same page, but taking this information to most of our friends and neighbors who trust vaccines in general, won’t be easy. Because it’s a flu shot and not a COVID shot, many will assume automatically that it’s safe.
Again – I needed a fast summary of the new Moderna mRNA flu shot, as I am trying to figure out quickly where things are going. I wanted to know the technology first. “First seek to understand – then seek to be understood.”
Thus, I asked for scientific depth, but otherwise brevity. This is a good description of a scientific abstract.
Here was my question to Grok (version 4.5, described as “Fast” on X).
Please give me a brief but scientifically deep explanation of the technology used in Moderna’s recently approved mRNA flu shot. I’m curious about two things in particular – which influenza protein is encoded, and which form of mRNA tech is being used (i.e., is it self-amplifying or more conventional). I’m also wondering if any changes in the basic mRNA technology have been made to address inherent problems of the mRNA platform, including the fact that (statistically) some recipients suffer undesirable long-term production of target protein, as well as travel of lipid nanoparticles away from the injection site.
The Answer
Grok’s response is, IMO, roughly neutral, although in a couple of places I see a fairly mild but rather typical “mainstream bias”. I’ll get to that later, as I analyze the response.
The first paragraph of the reply is bolded by Grok as a summary.
I have included paragraph-end citation links as the full links, instead of shortened active hyperlinks that Grok uses at the end of paragraphs. In one case, that turns into an embedded tweet.
Grok’s response:
Conventional (non-replicating, nucleoside-modified) mRNA encoding influenza hemagglutinin (HA) surface glycoproteins from the relevant WHO-recommended strains (trivalent in the approved formulation: A/H1N1, A/H3N2, and B/Victoria), delivered in the same type of lipid nanoparticles (LNPs) used for Moderna’s COVID-19 vaccines (SM-102 ionizable lipid platform).
Moderna’s recently FDA-approved seasonal flu vaccine (mRNA-1010, branded mFlusiva/mFLUSIVA) for adults ≥50 years uses the company’s established non-replicating mRNA platform. It is not self-amplifying RNA (saRNA/sa-mRNA). saRNA constructs include alphavirus-derived replicase genes that enable intracellular RNA amplification and prolonged antigen expression at lower doses; mRNA-1010 does not. It relies on the same core technology as Spikevax: in vitro-transcribed, nucleoside-modified mRNA (typically incorporating N1-methylpseudouridine to reduce innate sensing and improve translation) with 5′ cap, optimized UTRs, and poly(A) tail, formulated in LNPs.
The encoded antigen is the full-length (membrane-anchored) hemagglutinin glycoprotein of the selected seasonal strains. HA is the primary surface protein mediating viral attachment and entry; neutralizing antibodies targeting its head domain (and to a lesser extent the stalk) are the main correlate of protection measured by hemagglutination-inhibition (HAI) assays. The approved product is trivalent (reflecting the current seasonal composition after B/Yamagata’s decline), with total mRNA dose around 37.5 μg (roughly 12.5 μg per strain). Earlier development versions were quadrivalent. The platform allows rapid sequence updates to match circulating strains without egg adaptation.
No fundamental redesign of the mRNA or LNP platform specifically for this flu vaccine has been publicly detailed to address the concerns you raise. Protein expression from conventional modified mRNA is inherently transient: the mRNA is degraded by cellular nucleases over days (typically peaking within hours to a day or two and declining substantially within a week or so in standard preclinical models), so continuous long-term production of the target protein is not a designed or statistically expected feature in recipients. Observed antigen persistence in draining lymph nodes (sometimes detectable for weeks in some studies of COVID mRNA vaccines) supports germinal-center reactions rather than ongoing systemic protein synthesis from residual mRNA. Claims of undesirable long-term production are not supported as a common or inherent platform failure in the clinical data for these vaccines.
LNP biodistribution after intramuscular injection is predominantly local (injection-site muscle and draining lymph nodes), with smaller fractions reaching the spleen and, to a lesser extent, liver; distant tissue accumulation is minimal and components clear relatively rapidly (often low/undetectable by ~1–2 weeks in available data). The SM-102-based LNPs (ionizable lipid + cholesterol + helper phospholipid + PEG-lipid) used here are the same biodegradable class employed in Spikevax; they were selected in part for improved tolerability and clearance relative to earlier ionizable lipids. No public evidence indicates major new chemistry (e.g., substantially altered ionizable lipids, targeting ligands, or miRNA-regulated expression) unique to mFlusiva to further restrict off-target travel. Dose is lower than original COVID primary series doses, which reduces overall exposure.
The LNPs in Moderna’s mRNA flu vaccine (mRNA-1010/mFLUSIVA) use the same proprietary SM-102-based platform as Spikevax. Composition, size, and biodistribution are essentially identical: most stay at the injection site, a fraction reaches lymph nodes and spleen, with rapid…
In short, this is an evolutionary application of the proven non-replicating modified-mRNA + LNP system to HA antigens, leveraging manufacturing speed and the ability to induce strong humoral (and some cellular) responses without egg-based production constraints. Clinical data supported superior relative efficacy versus standard-dose inactivated vaccines in the pivotal trial, with a reactogenicity profile consistent with other mRNA vaccines (more local and systemic reactions that are mostly mild–moderate and transient).
My Analysis
I’m going to take that response a piece at a time.
Paragraph 1
The first paragraph is a summary, and it’s key.
Conventional (non-replicating, nucleoside-modified) mRNA encoding influenza hemagglutinin (HA) surface glycoproteins from the relevant WHO-recommended strains (trivalent in the approved formulation: A/H1N1, A/H3N2, and B/Victoria), delivered in the same type of lipid nanoparticles (LNPs) used for Moderna’s COVID-19 vaccines (SM-102 ionizable lipid platform).
Basically, this is saying that mFlusiva is a “normal” mRNA vaccine, the same basic type as the Moderna and Pfizer COVID vaccines – but instead of targeting the sequence for the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, it targets a similar influenza surface protein – specifically, the hemagglutinin (HA) surface glycoprotein. That is one of two surface proteins shown here.
It also appears to be using the same type of lipid nanoparticles as are used in the mRNA COVID vaccines.
Paragraph 2
Moderna’s recently FDA-approved seasonal flu vaccine (mRNA-1010, branded mFlusiva/mFLUSIVA) for adults ≥50 years uses the company’s established non-replicating mRNA platform. It is not self-amplifying RNA (saRNA/sa-mRNA). saRNA constructs include alphavirus-derived replicase genes that enable intracellular RNA amplification and prolonged antigen expression at lower doses; mRNA-1010 does not. It relies on the same core technology as Spikevax: in vitro-transcribed, nucleoside-modified mRNA (typically incorporating N1-methylpseudouridine to reduce innate sensing and improve translation) with 5′ cap, optimized UTRs, and poly(A) tail, formulated in LNPs.
Several points are validated here.
mFluvia is considered to be a regular seasonal flu vaccine
It’s FDA approved for adults 50 years old and older (which includes the older 65+ subgroup as well)
It is NOT a more modern (and possibly more dangerous, IMO) self-amplifying mRNA
It uses the same tech as Moderna’s old COVID shot, named Spikevax.
It’s a standard “modified” mRNA, including the use of N1-methylpseudouridine
The fact that they have really not changed the platform is critical to understand. Any problems that are inherent to the mRNA platform itself, and not a result of the spike protein per se, are still there. Likewise, any problems that are common to both the spike protein and the HA protein will be there. And any NEW problems of the HA protein will be there, too.
Note that they are not giving it to kids. THAT is purely strategic, IMO, and is deviously smart. They know that if kids show cardiovascular and cancer effects, it’s going to be obviously the fault of the mRNA platform, and possibly even trouble for vaccination in general.
No way will they take that risk. IMO the reason they’re not taking a risk here, is that the HA protein of flu is not and cannot be a depop vector, like the spike protein. Thus, there is no sterilization or anti-fertility advantage worth taking a risk to roll out to kids.
SIDEBAR: N1-Methylpseudouridine
One further note on N1-methylpseudouridine. It is important to understand how little of it is actually contained in these vaccines. This stuff is not (IMO) toxic per se as a poison – it is only dangerous in very specific use when unnaturally incorporated into mRNA.
In the tiny amount of mRNA (micrograms) inside the tiny amount of lipid nanoparticles, literally milligrams suspended in fluid inside the tiny 0.38 mL of the shot, one out of the four bases (uridine) of that mRNA has been substituted with N1-methylated pseudouridine, and it goes straight into the machinery just like uridine would have. The only problem is that N1MPU is a bit like a worn tooth on a key, and it may turn a lock other than ONLY the one that it was intended to turn. That’s an understandable analogy to the fact that N1MPU in the coding may produce a WRONG protein sometimes – particularly due to something called “frame-shifting”.
The following Wikipedia has clearly been edited by Big Pharma shills, but you can still read between the lines, as to what they are defending / covering up / minimizing / downplaying. In the process, they basically document the problems of using a slippery fake base to avoid detection by the immune system.
I do NOT buy the Wikipedia-shilled argument that frame-shifting is innocuous – because IMO it will only be innocuous until it isn’t – just like any other “error” that is allowed to fester until the plane crash happens in combination with other events.
Paragraph 3
The third paragraph basically explains what was measured to state that this vaccine was superior to existing non-mRNA vaccines. Note that nothing here deals with safety or risk – just efficacy. You can also see how little mRNA is used – basically 12.5 micrograms per strain of influenza.
The encoded antigen is the full-length (membrane-anchored) hemagglutinin glycoprotein of the selected seasonal strains. HA is the primary surface protein mediating viral attachment and entry; neutralizing antibodies targeting its head domain (and to a lesser extent the stalk) are the main correlate of protection measured by hemagglutination-inhibition (HAI) assays. The approved product is trivalent (reflecting the current seasonal composition after B/Yamagata’s decline), with total mRNA dose around 37.5 μg (roughly 12.5 μg per strain). Earlier development versions were quadrivalent. The platform allows rapid sequence updates to match circulating strains without egg adaptation.
Paragraph 4
This is where the AI model “negotiates” the controversy with creative wordplay. Read it carefully, like a contract.
No fundamental redesign of the mRNA or LNP platform specifically for this flu vaccine has been publicly detailed to address the concerns you raise. Protein expression from conventional modified mRNA is inherently transient: the mRNA is degraded by cellular nucleases over days (typically peaking within hours to a day or two and declining substantially within a week or so in standard preclinical models), so continuous long-term production of the target protein is not a designed or statistically expected feature in recipients. Observed antigen persistence in draining lymph nodes (sometimes detectable for weeks in some studies of COVID mRNA vaccines) supports germinal-center reactions rather than ongoing systemic protein synthesis from residual mRNA. Claims of undesirable long-term production are not supported as a common or inherent platform failure in the clinical data for these vaccines.
The first sentence is interesting.
No fundamental redesign of the mRNA or LNP platform specifically for this flu vaccine has been publicly detailed to address the concerns you raise.
Note that it doesn’t say there was no change to address concerns – it says that nothing was made public as such. Given how much can be “trade secrets”, we simply don’t know if changes were made behind the scenes. Grok worded this well, IMO.
Grok does address my concern about individuals who suffer long-term production of target protein, not by denying that it happens, but by stating the reality of the situation.;
Protein expression from conventional modified mRNA is inherently transient: the mRNA is degraded by cellular nucleases over days (typically peaking within hours to a day or two and declining substantially within a week or so in standard preclinical models), so continuous long-term production of the target protein is not a designed or statistically expected feature in recipients.
Note what Grok does here. It actually lets us know that mRNA vaccination is a process that peaks in hours to low days, declining over low (1-2) weeks in the DESIRED CASE. Grok doesn’t deny that it can take longer, but is very careful not to simply parrot the mainstream assertion that there are no long-term protein production problem cases. This is very artful use of language. Knowing better than to deny statistical outliers, it comes back at my use of “statistical” with “statistically expected feature” – a very crafty but true response.
In a similar vein, Grok repeats the denials of the mainstream regarding vaccine found in lymph nodes, but very carefully, not boxing itself in should those denials be disproven in the future.
Observed antigen persistence in draining lymph nodes (sometimes detectable for weeks in some studies of COVID mRNA vaccines) supports germinal-center reactions rather than ongoing systemic protein synthesis from residual mRNA.
Needless to say, I’m not convinced that this is innocuous, and am keeping an open mind. Also, this does NOT explain individuals producing spike protein for months or years after injection.
Claims of undesirable long-term production are not supported as a common or inherent platform failure in the clinical data for these vaccines.
This is weasel wording, but I get it. We have different definitions of platform failure. IMO even 0.1% failure would be unacceptable. Why? Because the injectable, metered, controlled protein immunogen injection already exists, and is superior to mRNA. It is inherently superior. It has ZERO long-term OR off-target production of protein, HOWEVER one defines it.
Grok knows this, but cannot psychologically deal with disagreement with the mainstream of public health. Grok would be “corrected” if it did disagree.
IMO, mRNA vaccines are a lot like the Trabant – the horrible 2-stroke automobile produced by the Soviet Empire. Yes, 2-stroke internal combustion technology “works”, but it is inferior to the cleaner, more expensive, and overall more efficient 4-stroke internal combustion engine we are still using.
mRNA vaccination is not the Tesla. It’s the Trabant, with it’s “magically efficient” two-stroke engine.
I have no need for it.
Paragraph 5
LNP biodistribution after intramuscular injection is predominantly local (injection-site muscle and draining lymph nodes), with smaller fractions reaching the spleen and, to a lesser extent, liver; distant tissue accumulation is minimal and components clear relatively rapidly (often low/undetectable by ~1–2 weeks in available data). The SM-102-based LNPs (ionizable lipid + cholesterol + helper phospholipid + PEG-lipid) used here are the same biodegradable class employed in Spikevax; they were selected in part for improved tolerability and clearance relative to earlier ionizable lipids. No public evidence indicates major new chemistry (e.g., substantially altered ionizable lipids, targeting ligands, or miRNA-regulated expression) unique to mFlusiva to further restrict off-target travel. Dose is lower than original COVID primary series doses, which reduces overall exposure.
Seriously, I almost rest my case after this first sentence by Grok. “…to a lesser extent, liver.” Good GRIEF. This is acceptable? REALLY? YIKES!
LNP biodistribution after intramuscular injection is predominantly local (injection-site muscle and draining lymph nodes), with smaller fractions reaching the spleen and, to a lesser extent, liver; distant tissue accumulation is minimal and components clear relatively rapidly (often low/undetectable by ~1–2 weeks in available data).
“Predominantly local” is not good enough. TRABANT! Fuck you – I don’t want a Trabant! Especially an injectable Trabant that I can’t send to the scrapyard, after it sends ME to the scrapyard.
This next pair of sentences is interesting.
The SM-102-based LNPs (ionizable lipid + cholesterol + helper phospholipid + PEG-lipid) used here are the same biodegradable class employed in Spikevax; they were selected in part for improved tolerability and clearance relative to earlier ionizable lipids. No public evidence indicates major new chemistry (e.g., substantially altered ionizable lipids, targeting ligands, or miRNA-regulated expression) unique to mFlusiva to further restrict off-target travel.
This is saying that no significant changes in the LNPs seem to have taken place, and based on that, it is very unlikely that there is any change to off-target dispersal of the vaccine.
Yes, Grok is doing SCIENCE here. It sounds like scientists talking at the lunch table, because it was trained on their output.
Dose is lower than original COVID primary series doses, which reduces overall exposure.
That’s an interesting observation. Grok knows that there is less chance for problems with the lower dose.
IMO this is not just science – it’s marketing. Moderna needs a “win” here, and they know that flu shots are not expected to make much of a difference in terms of efficacy. Moderna can “punt” here and “cheat to a win” on their next turn with the depopulation ball. So a lower dose here with fewer platform side-effects will make the mRNA platform look better. A nice way to make it through the Trump administration, and past RFKJ, already partially under control.
Did Grok know I would catch that? I think so. It sounds like some of my colleagues back in Shallow State, who knew how to speak the truth in a way I would get, without seeming to walk off the plantation.
Paragraph 6
In short, this is an evolutionary application of the proven non-replicating modified-mRNA + LNP system to HA antigens, leveraging manufacturing speed and the ability to induce strong humoral (and some cellular) responses without egg-based production constraints. Clinical data supported superior relative efficacy versus standard-dose inactivated vaccines in the pivotal trial, with a reactogenicity profile consistent with other mRNA vaccines (more local and systemic reactions that are mostly mild–moderate and transient).
This is the final party line summary. Grok puts on the happy face to live with its training. It’s public health over individual medicine, and it emphasizes the utilitarian superiority of eggless mRNA production. Yeah, I get it. If a few humans die, no biggie. It’s just a few. And it’s SO much cheaper.
The minimization of the (IMO) substantially greater local and systemic reactions is all public health and no concern for the patient. People are basically getting the unpleasant aspects of both the COVID and shingles vaccines, with continued risks for mRNA screw-ups.
I will be talking about the SIDE EFFECTS of this vaccine in my next post. It is NOT a pretty picture. The COVID shot has set a VERY LOW BAR for vaccine performance.
IMO the superior alternative would be recombinant protein vaccines, which are surely safer, but mRNA vaccines are surely cheaper, because your body is the reactor, and if it fucks up, it’s on you.
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For more on the untimely passing of Dear DePat, please see these three posts.
At one time, DePat handled FOUR daily open threads here, in addition to taking care of her relatives, choir duties, and numerous other responsibilities. She was a powerhouse – a dynamo – a true force of nature.
DePat’s faith in Trump, Q, “The Plan”, the White Hats, and “the anons” in general, was legendary. Although I didn’t always agree with her quick acceptance of some sketchier evidence and fringier theories, I will gladly admit to “coming around” to numerous so-called “conspiracy theories” which she championed first. I was always careful to give her credit for being right, too, when I had been wrong.
It is impossible to overstate how much DePat did for not only this site, but for her country. I urge all to say a quick prayer of thanks, whenever you think of her, for the privilege of knowing, in life or after death, such an exemplary human being, and lover of God.
And thank you, Susie, for the firm foundation which you left us, when you were called to your true home!
The Myths and Realities of Human/Ape “Similarity” Numbers
If you have ever read or heard something about the genetic similarity of humans and (other) apes, and were suspicious of the numbers – whether you’re a fan or skeptic of evolution – then you were absolutely right to be suspicious.
This video, by an evolutionist who is something of an expert in the topic, will explain WHY you should be suspicious of genetic similarity numbers.
She is able to make this topic understandable, but unfortunately, it can get a bit boring, too. Grab some coffee and maybe some cookies.
The TL;DR is that there are an infinite number of ways to measure similarity, with completely different meanings, and every one has pluses and minuses. The worst thing – the thing that you can’t do – is mixing and matching different measurements. By one standard, 99.5% and 99.2% is a huge difference in similarities, but by a different one, 75% and 65% are almost the same, no big deal. By one standard, 99% similarity means it’s the same species at the same time. By another standard, 99% similarity could be two species that cannot interbreed, and one is a fossil.
Pretty meaningless, if you’re not extremely careful. The numbers change rapidly between methods, as you will see.
I am familiar with this problem, having designed similarity metrics for certain types of searched data at “Shallow State”. What one learns to do is to observe how the metric behaves, and interpret the results based on the metric, NOT based on what you think “100%”, “99%”, “95%”, “75%”, “50%”, and other values, should mean. If the metric works well for your purposes, that’s all you need. If it works perfectly for your most important cases, even better.
The numbers mean what THEY mean, not what YOU THINK they should mean. You will see this in spades, in the video.
Erika uses a “provocative question” about orangutans as a phony but effective way to get people to listen to an introductory lecture on similarity metrics in comparative genomics. If you listen all the way through, you get to hear her joke about this at the end. You also get to hear her excellent perspective about how massive the differences are between humans and (other) apes, in whatever percentage difference a particular metric gives.
And by then, you will be 100% skeptical of similarity numbers without explanation and context.
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This DePat Tuesday Open Thread honors the author of the original Tuesday open thread on this site, namely the late Susie Sampson, a.k.a. Deplorable Patriot, among her other handles, pen names, etc.
For more on the untimely passing of Dear DePat, please see these three posts.
At one time, DePat handled FOUR daily open threads here, in addition to taking care of her relatives, choir duties, and numerous other responsibilities. She was a powerhouse – a dynamo – a true force of nature.
DePat’s faith in Trump, Q, “The Plan”, the White Hats, and “the anons” in general, was legendary. Although I didn’t always agree with her quick acceptance of some sketchier evidence and fringier theories, I will gladly admit to “coming around” to numerous so-called “conspiracy theories” which she championed first. I was always careful to give her credit for being right, too, when I had been wrong.
It is impossible to overstate how much DePat did for not only this site, but for her country. I urge all to say a quick prayer of thanks, whenever you think of her, for the privilege of knowing, in life or after death, such an exemplary human being, and lover of God.
And thank you, Susie, for the firm foundation which you left us, when you were called to your true home!
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Gonna keep it simple! Take a moment – if I may suggest a full minute, right now – to pray!
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Your Quantum Homework
If we’re going to be talking about the whole Trump / Q / Quantum thing (AND WE ARE!), then it’s important to refresh ourselves on what the heck this “quantum” stuff is, anyway. THAT lesson will be coming soon – maybe later this week.
Steve did a number of posts on quantum mechanics, and I’m going to link them below as OPTIONAL study material.
However, today’s assignment is more fun. All it is, is to watch a video by Veritasium – a fairly easy and fun video – that I MAY have shown you before – probably not, but I can’t be sure.
The video appears to be in the context of relativity, but it’s really about the apparent conflict between quantum mechanics and relativity, and how that was – more or less – resolved.
The great thing about this video is that it actually takes you all the way to the current state of knowledge, and it does it without very much math at all. It’s pretty ingenious.
That’s it! Check out the video, and play it a second or third time, if you need to double or triple up on parts of it.
We can discuss after that!
Thank you and God Bless!
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Steve’s Posts on Quantum Mechanics (and Other Things)
Ever since the White House made the “Q” / Quantum connection public on June 22 of this year, I’ve gone a bit “quantum crazy” – joyfully savoring how one of my favorite scientific subjects is now in vogue, and getting “tip-top” attention!
Yeah, that does go off the screen. Here is the full text, as a quote.
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︎ And by Q we mean Quantum. Stay tuned 👀
The long series of newlines has an additional invisible character in the middle. The anons have already figured out that little Easter egg! (see below)
Notice the date, too. 06/22/2026 – Just a bit interesting, wouldn’t you say? Again, I leave that for the anons, although I will note that it roughly encodes something extremely cool that I worked on in quantum chemistry. Yeah, I’m reading my own things into it, but it’s all in good fun.
And the Q part gets even more intense. How about this?
This isn’t the executive order – it’s the fact sheet about the order – but it is still very interesting.
Let’s look at what it says.
ACCELERATING QUANTUM INNOVATION: Today, President Donald J. Trump signed an Executive Order to supercharge U.S. innovation in quantum technologies and strengthen our national security in this critical area.
The Order directs the Assistant to the President for Science and Technology, in coordination with other relevant government leaders, to update the National Quantum Strategy to support quantum-enabling technology and encourage partnerships with U.S. industry.
The Order establishes a national effort to develop the first ever quantum computer powerful enough to initiate the era of quantum-enabled scientific discovery and accelerate quantum capabilities for commercial applications. This includes evaluations of quantum computing system capabilities, an assessment of the resources necessary to build this science-enabling quantum computer, and development of specifications for such a system.
The Order directs the Assistant to the President for Science and Technology to coordinate this effort across the Departments of Energy, War, Commerce, and the Intelligence Community, as well as with U.S. industry and research leaders.
The Order calls on the Secretaries of Commerce, War, and Energy and the NASA Administrator to develop plans to deploy quantum-enabled sensors and networks in the next five years.
The Order prioritizes the development of a strong American quantum workforce through the expansion of registered apprenticeships, credentials, and the creation of National Quantum Workforce Development Institutes. It also directs the development of a plan and other measures to ensure adequate domestic supply chains and manufacturing capabilities for quantum technologies, as well as appropriate funding support for such efforts.
The Order reconstitutes the National Quantum Initiative Advisory Committee and directs the expansion of the Quantum Counterintelligence Protection Team. It also directs appropriate engagement with international partners on quantum matters.
STRENGTHENING AMERICA’S QUANTUM ADVANTAGE: President Trump recognizes that quantum technologies are on the verge of a massive commercial breakthrough and require a bold new policy approach to ensure America continues to lead the field.
Quantum technologies, like a quantum computer or a quantum sensor, will provide transformational capabilities in manufacturing, drug discovery, energy, agriculture, and more. These breakthroughs will drive American innovation, power economic growth, generate high-paying jobs in existing and entirely new industries, and bolster national security.
Competing nations are moving quickly to challenge America’s quantum leadership, including adversarial countries that would use quantum to undermine U.S. economic and national security.
The Order ensures that the United States enters this new era of quantum innovation with ambitious national goals, a strong domestic workforce, and trusted supply chains in coordination with our international allies and partners.
FURTHERING AMERICA’S TECHNOLOGICAL DOMINANCE: President Trump continues to prioritize U.S. leadership and dominance in critical and emerging sciences and technologies.
In 2018, President Trump signed the National Quantum Initiative Act into law, establishing the first whole-of-government strategy for American leadership in quantum.
President Trump was the first president to identify quantum as an emerging research and development priority for the nation, resulting in a doubling of the Federal research and development budget for quantum.
In January 2025, President Trump announced the establishment of the President’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology to spearhead American innovation and competitiveness in critical and emerging technologies.
In November 2025, President Trump signed an Executive Order launching the Genesis Mission, a new national effort to use artificial intelligence to transform how scientific research is conducted and accelerate the speed of scientific discoveries across multiple fields, including quantum.
The Trump Administration has invested $625 million so far in major national quantum research institutes, in partnership with industry and academia.
Needless to say, I’m pleased as punch with all of this.
While quantum computing got off to a slow and bumpy start in roughly 1981, it has now gotten to the point where it has to be taken seriously. There is definitely some “there” there – and our VSG is absolutely right to be getting on it. Just like he has been on the ball with AI. It’s just great to have a PRO in the White House!
And that’s just the beginning. Quantum sensors are mentioned, too – and yet THAT is still just the beginning. Because QUANTUM is deeper, wider, and longer than anybody can imagine – in my scientific opinion. Feynman really recognized this, and – along with some other scientists who I always trust – I always trust Feynman!
So when Feynman said that nobody understood quantum mechanics – well – I trust that. I’ve watched many, many, brilliant people HELP everybody else to try to understand it, over my lifetime, and THAT is where we really are. It is a group project of all of humanity, to try to understand quantum mechanics. And we’re getting closer all the time.
But still…..
But before we get into that, let’s finish up with the Executive Order, which happens to be Number 14413 (not a prime number, it is the product of 7 x 29 x 71).
This EO is rather lengthy, and includes some interesting things not mentioned in the overview.
I will include the first 4 sections and some of the 5th section.
Executive Order 14413
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered:
Section 1. Purpose. America stands at the cusp of a quantum revolution. Quantum information science and technology (QIST) will provide transformational capabilities that will drive American innovation, power economic growth, generate high-paying jobs, and bolster national security. In 2018, I laid the foundation for United States leadership in QIST by signing into law the National Quantum Initiative Act and doubling Federal investment in QIST research and development. Today, as other nations move quickly to challenge American leadership, the United States must take a cohesive, whole-of-government approach to accelerate deployment and commercialization of quantum computing, sensing, and networking.
In addition to continuing trailblazing quantum research, we must act to solidify the Nation’s position as the world’s QIST superpower and deliver the commercial and research benefits of quantum innovation to the American people. Equally important, we must protect sensitive technologies and work with allies to ensure adversaries cannot use QIST to undermine national security.
Sec. 2. Policy. It is the policy of my Administration to ensure that the United States maintains a strategic technical advantage in QIST and leads the development of a robust and trusted quantum ecosystem across QIST research, manufacturing, commercialization, and application.
Sec. 3. Updating the National Quantum Strategy. (a) Within 180 days of the date of this order, the Assistant to the President for Science and Technology (APST), in coordination with the Secretary of War, the Secretary of Commerce, the Secretary of Energy, the Director of National Intelligence (DNI), and the Director of the National Science Foundation (NSF), and in consultation with the Co-Chairs of the National Science and Technology Council Subcommittees on Quantum Information Science (SCQIS) and Economic and Security Implications of Quantum Information Science (ESIX), shall update the National Quantum Strategy (Strategy) with policies intended to support the maturing QIST ecosystem, including promoting commercialization and deployment of QIST, supporting the quantum-enabling technology ecosystem, and encouraging partnerships with United States industry.
(b) Within 30 days of the date of the publication of the updated Strategy, relevant executive departments and agencies (agencies) shall each submit to the APST and the Director of the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) a summary of steps taken to align their processes, policies, and programs with the Strategy.
Sec. 4. Harnessing Quantum Computing for Scientific Applications. (a) There is hereby established the Quantum Computer for Application Development and Discovery Science (QC-ADDS) Effort, which shall be coordinated by the APST. This national effort shall pursue development of a quantum computer at a scale intended to initiate the era of quantum-enabled scientific discovery, with the intent to deliver at least one such computer to a Department of Energy facility and, to the extent possible, make it available to the scientific community.
(b) The Secretary of War, the Secretary of Commerce, the Secretary of Energy, the DNI, the Director of NSF, and the heads of other relevant agencies as appropriate, in consultation with the Director of OMB, shall ensure that relevant capabilities, manufacturing infrastructure, and expertise are made available to support the QC-ADDS Effort to the extent practicable, and shall deploy these resources towards exploration of quantum-computer-enabled capabilities for commercial, government, and national security applications. Additionally, the APST shall coordinate with the Administrator of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), the Director of the National Security Agency (NSA), and the heads of other relevant agencies to identify additional actions to enhance the QC-ADDS Effort.
(c) Within 90 days of the date of this order, the Secretary of Energy, in coordination with the APST and the heads of other relevant agencies, shall identify the technical specifications required for a QC-ADDS to perform transformative scientific applications that are on a path towards economically significant applications and beyond current classical computer capabilities, and shall publicly release a summary of those specifications, as appropriate.
(d) Within 180 days of the date of this order, the Secretary of Energy, in consultation with the Director of OMB, shall explore potential private-sector partnership models to understand the potential cost, scope, and time frame for delivery of at least one QC-ADDS as described in subsection (a) of this section. Further, the Secretary of Commerce shall develop a plan, potentially including advance market commitments, to encourage contributions to the QC-ADDS Effort from commercial quantum computing companies. Finally, the Secretary of War shall establish or designate activities and programs to develop the tools and capabilities necessary to advance readiness for national security applications of quantum computing, potentially including the establishment of a center for such purpose.
(e) To provide for the robust assessment of the QC-ADDS’ and other quantum computing systems’ capabilities, within 180 days of the date of this order:
(i) the Secretary of Energy, in consultation with the Secretary of War and the Secretary of Commerce, shall establish a national center to develop the tools and capabilities required to accurately assess the performance of quantum computing systems; and
(ii) the Co-Chairs of the ESIX Subcommittee shall recommend to the APST a mechanism to facilitate information-sharing between relevant agencies to improve the Government’s ability to assess commercial quantum computing capabilities.
(f) The DNI and the Secretary of War, in coordination with the Co-Chairs of the ESIX Subcommittee and in consultation with the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Commerce, and the Secretary of Energy, shall identify the national security implications of the increasing scale and performance of commercial quantum computers, such as the implications for the migration to post-quantum cryptography.
Sec. 5. Deploying Quantum-Enabled Sensors and Networks. (a) Within 60 days of the date of this order, the Secretary of War shall identify at least three next-generation quantum sensor projects to prioritize in order to field these sensors by September 30, 2028.
I love that “Quantum Information Science and Technology” is abbreviated as “QIST” (as in Qist).
Why, I may know a few Qists!
So all of this Quantum stuff in the end of June was exciting, but things were about to heat up even more, with the 250th Anniversary of our Nation!
On July 4, Elon Musk began retweeting a “brilliant” (his word) patriotic music video by cyber artist “Heavy Pulp”, originally released on June 30, with an AI-assisted song called “Sweet Land”.
This amazing video is one long tribute to America, the American people, the military, the Q mythos, and what is best described as “quantum science fiction”. I’ve taken to calling this video a “quantumpunk opera” – because that comes closer to describing what it is, than anything else I can think of.
“Quantum” per se is even mentioned in the lyrics, which were compiled by Astute Actual on X.
Watch for the Q memes – they’re everywhere in both the lyrics and the video.
Sweet Land by: Heavy Pulp @heavypulp on X
Sweet land, sweet land of the weary and wild. Oh where, oh where are you, my sweet (child) (some hear John?)
The garden’s either dying or about to come alive. The river’s either drying or it’s deep enough to dive. Can’t tell if it’s the dusk or if it’s breaking into dawn. Are we going on or are we going, going, gone?
Somebody said a storm is coming, but it’s been a long, long time. I don’t know what’s up ahead, but please baby, don’t you look behind. So tell me, is it going to be free energy forever, or just the same…damn…old…grind?
Singing, (sweet land) sweet land of the weary and the wild. Are we one year from the grave, or is this just the beginning, my sweet child? Oh, you’re my star-spangled fever dream, half a savior, half a liar. 250 Summers and we’re going higher, higher, higher.
The neighbors might be coming with a casserole or a gun. The kids are either screaming or they’re laughing in the sun. Is the timeline coming undone, or is it coming in clear? The fireworks are blinding, but I’ll keep on dancing here.
And nobody can promise me that we’re going to make it to the light. So is it an awakening, or is this a knife in the night? So come on brother, sister, stand up tall, because guess what? Where we go one, we go all!
If you can hear this from the other side, across this great quantum divide, don’t get me wrong, now is the time to stay strong. So with all of that I’ll say, God bless the USA. God bless the USA.
Singing, sweet land, going on, soaring on. 250 years and it’s going on, on and on. On the edge of a forever or the edge of being gone. Is it midnight? Is it morning? Is it ruin? (ruing?) Is it time to rise?
250 summers gone by, so just go on and tell me those sweet lies. The kind as sweet as these Julys.
(Sweet land, sweet land) Going on and going on, (sweet land, sweet land) I got to “Fight, Fight, Fight” (FIRE). (Fire – Fire).
(Sweet land, sweet land) going on, going on. (Sweet land, sweet land) going, going, gone.
So please, just know that we can still rebuild. We can still make something… Better.
The video features numerous Stargate-style “portals” and other sci-fi references that are all deeply tied in the video to Q-related memes. There is absolutely no holding back. There is even a Q drop number (4559) with the correct date featured in one scene…..
…..as well as a clock that references a variety of fascinating things in Q world. One can find some explanations of these things in replies surrounding the video and its various re-posts by Musk and others.
There is one “proof” related to the clock that I find rather convincing, but I’m still trying to wrap my head around it.
I may do a more dedicated post to the “quantumpunk opera” at a later time. In any case, I really enjoy the song, which is $0.99 on Apple Music and other platforms.
This image portal theme and the tagline message were brazenly and happily stolen from the anons who were researching the MH370 plane disappearance. The discussion by the anons in the replies is highly recommended.
Heavy Pulp even caught this one, noting in his reply that we’re now “portal-maxxing”! LOL!
Anons figured out quickly that was a message about Q clearance, via drop 48.
“Comms”. Ya gotta love ’em!
That’s enough for now. Hopefully, you understand why I think this site need to be up-to-date on the latest “Q” stuff – and that means a higher-than-average group understanding of all things quantum.
I am going to do a background post on quantum science, for y’all, very soon, and it will be surprisingly free of math.
We have created this site as a place for people to openly express their thoughts and opinions. This is a place where honest but civil discussion of all topics is encouraged. This particular thread is – for the moment – TRUST THE PLAN Thursday. You are welcome to say what you think, in a civil and courteous manner that loves your neighbor. Free speech matters! Courteous speech makes it happen.
Please label all AI-generated content as being such, unless it is patently obvious (e.g., humorous AI images). It is important that we as individuals not begin to pretend that socially derived artificial intelligence is actually our own, as this form of stealthy social information averaging and feedback would be one more pretense and deception between people, in service of stupid Marxist socialism, and of those who wish to substitute their communally protected lies for actual truth.
You are you. AI is AI. Keep your identity. Don’t “Borg Out” on us!
And yes, it’s THURSDAY…again.
That was stolen from Wheatie.
Let’s steal her rules, too.
No food fights.
No running with scissors.
If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
Other rules may be derivable from these, and that conjecture is left for discussion.
No, I’m not going to cite some researcher – some MSM publication – some “source”.
I don’t care what Margaret Brennan or Neil DeGrasse Tyson thinks about it. I’m fully prepared to do my own thinking, and (in my opinion) you should, too – whether you trust or believe evolutionary theory, or not.
You don’t need an authority to tell you to believe the obvious. Believe BACK at all authority.
Which is actually – very ironically – what this post is about. It’s WHY evolution favors religious belief – because – OMG – people obviously, by and large, believe, religiously, in God, or something like God.
What I am saying is that the default position of evolution – that “it’s there because it works” must be applied to mankind’s tendency toward religious belief – whether or not we choose to explain it – whether or not we like it.
Evolution’s first position is that it’s there because it works. And if it has been there a long time, even more so.
And by WORKS, we are saying – to varying but non-zero degrees – that it has some kind of advantage over both potential and actual alternatives.
This remarkable trivial truth is what I would classify as a “self-evident truth” – because anybody with common sense can see that evolutionary theory is in a complete paradox and hem-haw disarray otherwise. The obvious and nearly universal human tendency toward religious belief clearly outlasted millions of years of active Darwinian removal of problems. We don’t have to explain why. Science can do so if it chooses, or it can punt the ball. Doesn’t matter to the facts. Those facts simply ARE.
Evolution likes religion. DEAL.
Explanations of the (to them) annoying fact by materialists and atheists tend to try to paint the evolutionary truth into some corner of randomness or error, but that doesn’t even get to first base with me – a diehard evolutionist – and it should not cut it with you. Major features have alternatives, and when those alternatives are absent, or demonstrate obvious problems when they are not absent, it becomes too patently obvious that the existing feature is advantageous, and the alternatives are not.
Evolutionary mistakes are the exception, not the rule, and the longer something is conserved, the more likely it’s not a mistake, but actually favored. We have to look at Occam’s Razor – right? RIGHT? Because watch any evolutionary argument, and that’s what happens. Conservation through “big time” is always considered prima facie evidence of advantage, in evolution. One simply has to do work to find the advantage and convince others WHY.
Or just rest – for the moment – on the truth nobody wants to talk about. Evolution favored religious belief.
Here is the TL;DR –
Religious belief is one of the things that makes you human. Religion may say so, but evolution says so, too.
Religion says “because”. Evolution says “because it’s there”. And what do you know – religious belief is there.
Enjoy it. And don’t bother with external validation, because YOU are the validation. Your eyes, your ears, your brain, and your logic. Most of all, your belief.
Trump directs agencies to waive NDAs for former employees involved in UFO investigations: report
The nondisclosure agreements have proved an impediment to government investigations into UAPs, also known as UFOs, and the directive is intended to ease this source of reluctance.
Interesting. You will recall that I have long considered the possibility that relevant agencies were “less than honest” with PDJT(45) about certain highly classified information – ironically, we now know, because of that sketchy communist, Barack Hussein Obama, who poisoned the government against Trump with “The Frame Job”.
Well, it looks like Trump and the White Hats are trying to get access to ALL the information now.
President Donald Trump has directed federal agencies to waive the nondisclosure agreements that former government employees and contractors signed while they were working on investigations involving unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAPs), also known as UFOs.
The directives were given to the Department of War and the intelligence community, Fox News reported, citing unnamed sources.
The order asks that the agencies allow former government employees and contractors who have relevant information about UAPs to come forward to meet with representatives of Trump’s UAP taskforce, the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO). Any NDAs they signed would be waived under the order.
A senior administration official stressed that the directive is not a “declassification directive” and only allows employees and contractors to come forward through government channels.
The NDAs have proved an impediment to government investigations into UAPs, and the directive is intended to ease this source of reluctance.
“Silos” is right. And these silos have biometric ID elevators between floors, and pat-downs at all the exits.
What this tells me is that “there’s some there there”.
Interesting times.
W
For a grab of prior posts on this topic, check out this link.
This DePat Tuesday Open Thread honors the author of the original Tuesday open thread on this site, namely the late Susie Sampson, a.k.a. Deplorable Patriot, among her other handles, pen names, etc.
For more on the untimely passing of Dear DePat, please see these three posts.
At one time, DePat handled FOUR daily open threads here, in addition to taking care of her relatives, choir duties, and numerous other responsibilities. She was a powerhouse – a dynamo – a true force of nature.
DePat’s faith in Trump, Q, “The Plan”, the White Hats, and “the anons” in general, was legendary. Although I didn’t always agree with her quick acceptance of some sketchier evidence and fringier theories, I will gladly admit to “coming around” to numerous so-called “conspiracy theories” which she championed first. I was always careful to give her credit for being right, too, when I had been wrong.
It is impossible to overstate how much DePat did for not only this site, but for her country. I urge all to say a quick prayer of thanks, whenever you think of her, for the privilege of knowing, in life or after death, such an exemplary human being, and lover of God.
And thank you, Susie, for the firm foundation which you left us, when you were called to your true home!
Private Messaging – The Role of This Site in Keeping with the Gospel
I had a bit of a revelation today, as I read today’s verse.
“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone.”
Matthew 18:15
I feel that this has several levels of impact on this site.
One of those levels is how we criticize people OUTSIDE this blog, in our analysis of the news. I think we are reasonably safe there, because we are generally not well known. If we bring attention to our discussion on X or Gab, that gets a bit trickier, because that is very public. And while it can be very difficult to DM famous people on X, it isn’t hard to drop them a kind word or a courteous critique in the depths of their timeline, knowing that hardly anybody is going to see it. Sadly, however, that “hardly anybody” typically does not include the intended recipient.
Other times, I believe that public critique of public figures is more than permissible – it’s our duty. But where do we draw lines around this? I think that’s a valid question.
I do believe that much of what we say here gets looked at by anonymous “white hats” – and that’s a good thing! So if you think somebody in the administration made an error, and needs counsel, your stated opinion here may actually find its way to them.
Here on the blog, between ourselves, it’s a bit tougher, because our interactions are DESIGNED to be public, and I encourage public communication as a way to keep things honest and “sunlight-disinfected”. Courteous speech allows quite a bit of conflict to be resolved publicly, in a surprisingly low-key way, thankfully.
People here do PM me sometimes using PMTW, but conflicts with other members are – between public crises – surprisingly few. People can always approach each other on Gab, X, or through me as well, although in keeping with the Gospel, it is perhaps better if one approaches another party directly. Sometimes people just sharing a frustration with me fits directly into what the Gospel advises (since I may be the one in need of counsel on doing my duty to resolve a conflict), or it can be a “private” way to get me to hint to another person that there is a problem. No matter what, I strive to do what God would want, as best as I can tell, at all times.
I would love to hear other people’s thoughts on this, ranging from personal experience to theology, and that is why I chose that for today’s topic. Please keep the message of Christ in mind – particularly Matthew 18:15 – as you do this. I am seeking not to drum up conflict, but rather the opposite.
I’m all ears! And thank you in advance!
W
(Oddly, in the past, I always read this as “CURIOUS” – and only today realized it says “GLORIOUS” – which makes far more sense! LOL! Now, I absolutely cannot see the word “curious”. I guess that is a minor proof of how it can be impossible to unsee truth.)
This Stormwatch Monday Open Thread remains open – VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA/KAG/KMAG world (with KMAG being a bit of both).
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Our beloved country is STILL under DIRECT THREATS by hostile forces – notably COMMUNISTS – and they’re HERE IN AMERICA.
Daily outrage and commie phuckery still abound.
We can give in to despair…or we can be defiant and fight back in any way that we can.
Commies won’t win!
And we will keep saying COMMIES OUT until we get their FRAUD and INSANITY out of our country!
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Family Matters
Not my family, this time – another Patriot’s family.
Thank you so much for your prayers. God has answered each and every one of them. He never fails. I’m so grateful for all of you. For over a decade you’ve been my rock, my happy place, my place to de-stress, to speak my mind, to share moments of grief and happiness. I’ll never…
Thank you so much for your prayers. God has answered each and every one of them. He never fails. I’m so grateful for all of you. For over a decade you’ve been my rock, my happy place, my place to de-stress, to speak my mind, to share moments of grief and happiness. I’ll never forget a single moment of it.
Throughout it all, I’ve done my best to give back when I can, to love those who share love with me, to comfort those who need it, and to remain who I am without changing. I hope I’ve given you an ounce of what you’ve given me.
My account will remain here, but I will not be active for quite some time. I realize that this doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things. It only passes time. What’s important are my children, the family I’ve created from nothing, and the relationships we’re all building with God. My children are my goals. My children are my dreams. I have everything I could ever want right in front of me and I refuse to miss a single moment of it.
Too many times I’ve missed out on quality time because something horrible or significant politically is happening. I’m done. So it is time. I love you all. Please, take good care of yourselves and your loved ones because you never know when it could all go away.
Chill, as she is known – or chillum, Chillinois, etc. – used to be one of the supreme “second level” Twitter warriors. She wasn’t often the source of new information, but she was often the first to amplify great stuff. She always had loads of common sense, which goes well with bravery, concern, and her other virtues.
She is scrappy and humorous. She cracked me up so many times.
Many times she had access to powerful confirming or validating information when it was needed. She was not afraid to hit the trail of a story in Chicago like a gumshoe, and report back to Twitter. Her account was always a hoot, and frequently on the leading edge of a chase.
As the years went by, she needed to back off more and more for family reasons, but she has remained on X nonetheless.
Now, it appears that she really needs to pay attention to family matters.
I can respect that.
I encourage everybody to strike a balance, and to let that balance shift as needed.
We will remain on duty here, helping to protect family life in a GREAT AMERICA. You can also do your duty to this country by simply HAVING a great family life in America.
When God or Family calls, answer that call! We will be here, backing you up!
A salute to Chill, for all she has done, and will do, to help Make America Great Again!
