Health Friday Open Thread 9.27.2024: Another Scientific Paper Is Under Attack For Telling The Truth About The COVID-19 “Vaccines”

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This post is part of Health Friday, a series of offerings related to Big Pharma, vaccines, general health, and associated topics. The discussion is not limited to what is presented today; it is an Open Thread. However, since this presentation is about a COVID-19 “vaccine”, the post is dedicated to the memory of Yours Truly’s cousin Bill, who died “suddenly and unexpectedly” in September 2023.

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The Health Friday post today concerns the impending Retraction of a peer-reviewed and published paper that details long-term COVID-19 “vaccine”-induced injuries in North India. The paper was submitted to Springer for review and publishing on 9 January 2024; it was accepted (it had passed the peer-review process); and it was published on 13 May 2024. Here is a free-access version (to read the entire paper on Springer, one has to either access through an institution, or to pay for a copy): www.qeios.com/read/JK7IBA/pdf, “Long-Term Safety Analysis of the BBV152 Coronavirus Vaccine in Adolescents and Adults: Findings from a 1-Year Prospective Study in North India”, Upinder Kaur, et al., 13 May 2024. The study was conducted at Banaras Hindu University in India. BBV152 is another name for the COVAXIN COVID-19 “vaccine”, developed by Bharat BIotech of India in cooperation with Indian Council on Medical Research (ICMR) – National Institute of Virology. ICMR receives “royalty payments” for each dose of COVAXIN that is administered, as does Bharat Biotech (Sound familiar? — as in, the co-development, co-ownership of patents, and sharing of “royalty payments” between the NIAID and Moderna for the modRNA COVID-19, mRNA-1273?)

For purposes of today’s offering, the trail begins here: https://blog.maryannedemasi.com/p/breaking-journal-pressured-to-retract, 23 September 2024. Dr. Demasi has a PhD in Rheumatology from the University of Adelaide (Australia.)

The Kaur, et al., paper referenced above was published by Springer on 13 May 2024. Almost immediately, the attacks began on the paper, the authors, and the publisher — with articles like this one: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/1-in-3-covaxin-recipients-hit-by-adverse-events-study/articleshow/110187284.cms, “1 in 3 Covaxin recipients hit by adverse events: Study”, 17 May 2024. On 18 May 2024, the ICMR demanded that Springer retract the paper (Yours Truly: nothing like causing panic in a government agency when the truth is published about a “vaccine” that the agency is pushing as “safe and effective,” especially when that agency is also getting “royalty payments” for the use of the “vaccine”, is there?). But, the attack on Springer and the authors didn’t end there. In July 2024, Bharat Biotech filed a lawsuit against Springer and the authors (some of the authors are students), demanding retraction of the paper and the payment of damages to Bharat Biotech of $600,000 US dollars (50 million Indian rupees.) In addition, the lawsuit accused the paper’s authors of defamation against the company, included with a demand for separate damages to be paid to the company for defamation. Despite sworn statements from the authors that no defamation was intended or written into the paper; and, despite the fact that Nitin Joshi, the editor of the Springer journal (Drug Safety) in which the study appeared, was one of the reviewers who approved the study for publishing, it was Joshi who notified the authors on 28 August 2024 that he was going to have the paper retracted. He confirmed this decision in an email to the authors on 17 September. However, as the defamation lawsuit is now in court, the study is still available on the internet.

What is BBV152/COVAXIN? It is an “inactivated whole virion vaccine” (whole virus vaccine) for “active immunization” against COVID-19. It is not an mRNA-based/modRNA-based COVID-19 “vaccine”, although it does use an “ancestral wave strain” of the original Wuhan Hu1 SARS-CoV-2 virus (in other words, a strain from the Wuhan Hu1 virus that occurred before the Beta, Delta, or Omicron strains.) The Package Insert for COVAXIN is here: www.bharatbiotech.com/images/covaxin/covaxin-pack-insert.pdf. Below is an image from the Package Insert:

Per Wikipedia, 363,774,435 persons in India had been “vaccinated” with at least one dose of COVAXIN as of 4 March 2023.

However, the COVAXIN Package Insert does not actually describe how the “vaccine” works (the “Mechanism of Action.”) Yours Truly found something along the lines of the necessary information here: www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/projects/covaxin-bbv152-for-the-treatment-of-covid-19/?cf-view&cf-closed, “COVAXIN (BBV152) for the Treatment of Covid-19, India”, 28 June 2022. Below is a screenshot from this article:

But, COVAXIN has been hailed by the Indian government about being “the first indigenous COVID-19 vaccine in India” (www.bharatbiotech.com/covaxin.html.) Why is ViroVax involved? (More on this later in the post.) Back to the Package Insert for COVAXIN. Below is a screenshot of the ingredients used in this “vaccine”:

Looking further into the ingredients list, starting with the NIV-2020-770 strain of SARS-CoV-2: please refer to this paper: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7825810/, “Safety and immunogenicity of an inactivated SARS-CoV-2 vaccine, BBV152: a double-blind, randomised Phase 1 trial”, Krishna Mohan Vadrevu, et al., May 2021. It appears that NIV-2020-770 (the “inactivated whole virion”) is part of the Asp614Gly variant chain of the SARS-CoV-2 virus. The Asp614Gly variant itself is apparently part of the “ancestral wave” of the original Wuhan Hu1 SARS-CoV-2 virus; and, it is “not as serious” as the Beta or the Delta waves of the virus. Please refer to this article: www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/langlo/PIIS2214-109X(22)00199-1.pdf, Vol.10, July 2022, a Comment “Decoding the next SARS-CoV-2 variant”, by Jeremy Nel and WD Francois Venter. Below is a screenshot of a portion from the Comment:

Thus, BBV152/COVAXIN cannot be considered to be one of the “most recent” types of COVID-19 “vaccines”, as it does not include any elements before the Beta, Delta, or Omicron variants.

The Aluminium Hydroxide Gel in the ingredients (it is an “excipient” [“adjuvant]”): this is also called “Algel-IMDG” and “Alhydroxiqium-II” — in other words, it is a hydrogel. It was invented by ViroVax LLC of Lawrence, Kansas, under the aegis of the EpscoR Idea Foundation (part of the National Science Foundation in the United States), and with funding by the NIAID. This is the ViroVax / United States government connection. Here is a screenshot from an article by the EpscoR Idea Foundation on this “success story” (www.epscorideafoundation.org/success-stories/kansas-adjuvant-developed-with-nih-funding-enhances-efficacy-of-indias-covid-19-vaccine):

Note that Alhydroxiqium-II targets the lymph nodes of the person who takes COVAXIN. So, while this excipient is not exactly a lipid nanoparticle (LNP), it, in Yours Truly’s opinion, basically functions like an LNP in targeting the lymph nodes for delivery of the “vaccine payload” of COVAXIN; and, by “stimulating” the “vaccinated” person’s natural immune system to go and “search” for invading pathogens. By the way, Aluminium Hydroxide Gel is not to be used in foods, drugs pesticides, or “biocidal” products — see the screenshot below, from the search on Fisher Scientific (ThermoFisher) about this chemical, Page 1:

HOWEVER, it appears that FisherScientific had a “change of heart” since December 2021 regarding the “Uses advised against” for Aluminium Hydroxide — below is their MSDS Safety Sheet as of February 2024, Page 1:

Here is another source for an MSDS Safety Sheet, this one specifically for Aluminium Hydroxide Gel: www.oxfordlabfinechem.com/msds/ALUMINIUMHYDROXIDEGEL.pdf. Please see section 3 Hazards Identification; and section 11 Toxicological Information Special Remarks on Other Toxic Effects on Humans. Below is part of the Special Remarks portion of section 11:

The TLR7/8 excipient (adjuvant) in COVAXIN: This one is used in immunotherapy, including in the treatment of HIV-1. Please see: https://doi.org/10.3389/fmicb.2023.1033448, “Novel TLR7/8 agonists promote activation of HIV-1 latent reservoirs and human T and NK cells”, Yangyang Li, et al., 26 January 2023. This begs the question, Why is an HIV-1 immunotherapy treatment element being used in a COVID-19 “vaccine?” This also, in Yours Truly’s opinion, removes any consideration of COVAXIN to be labeled a “vaccine” — it is actually a gene therapy/immunotherapy injectable.

And, the 2-Phenoxyethanol excipient (adjuvant) in COVAXIN. Below is a screenshot portion of the Fisher Scientific (ThermoFisher) MSDS Safety Sheet for this chemical, Page 1:

The Kaur, et al., paper, goes into detail regarding the types of reported serious adverse events that affected the study subject pool who took COVAXIN. Three pages of the Supplementary Table 1. from the paper are below. Note that these are details from subjects one year after “vaccination” with COVAXIN. Note also that another paper from December 2020 (by different authors) shows that the S1 protein of the SARS-CoV-2 virus itself crosses the Blood-Brain Barrier.

If Yours Truly is reading about this situation correctly, it appears that one of the “problems” with the Kaur, et al., paper, is that the subject pool of COVAXIN-“vaccinated” persons in North India who reported serious adverse events following “vaccination” to the study authors was “small.” One has to ask: How many COVAXIN-“vaccine”-induced serious adverse events would need to be reported before they would be considered “relevant” by the Indian government and by Bharat BioTech? — say, a “minimum” of 3 million adverse events reports? Is it “within acceptable limits” that COVAXIN-“vaccinated” persons in North India suffer a stroke or a heart attack after “vaccination” with this product? Is this another situation of “the known and potential benefits outweigh the known and potential risks” of taking a COVID-19 “vaccine”, which is the “official” position of the CDC and the FDA in the United States?

Yours Truly has gone into detail regarding the situation with BBV152/COVAXIN for several reasons: First, to enumerate the multiple potentials for “vaccine”-induced serious adverse effects from this COVID-19 “vaccine” product; Second, to highlight the persecution of the authors of a paper who sought to study and write about these potentials; Third, to highlight the persecution of the journal that peer-reviewed, approved, and published the paper; Fourth, to bring to light the involvement of the United States government (via the NSF and the NIAID) in the funding and development of an ingredient (excipient/adjuvant) in this “vaccine” intended for use in a foreign country; and, Fifth, to again emphasize how important it is that consumers “do their own due diligence” regarding information on drugs and/or injectables that they put into their bodies.

Peace, Good Energy, Respect: PAVACA

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cthulhu

Another Healthy Chunk of Friday Information. Thank you, CV, for doin’ the slog!

TheseTruths

I never cease to be amazed at the disconnect between all the negatives that are known about the “vaxes” in contrast to their continuing to be promoted and taken by so many people.

Is this another situation of “the known and potential benefits outweigh the known and potential risks” of taking a COVID-19 “vaccine”, which is the “official” position of the CDC and the FDA in the United States?

I don’t believe in those supposed benefits. I don’t believe a word that any of the “experts” say anymore.

Thank you for all the info, Pavaca.

scott467

I was trying to add up all the risks from Ivermectin, and I kept coming up with the same number, basically none.

Then I thought about all the risks from covid vaxx, and there were a lot more than none.

Then I tried just thinking about whether Ivermectin actually worked — and as it turns out, it does.

And when I tried thinking about whether covid vaxx actually worked, I noticed that it didn’t.

Then I thought about how much I love having needles jammed into me, and it turns out, I don’t.

Then I thought to myself, self, why should I jam a needle in my arm, with something that has a lot of unneccesary risk, and doesn’t even work for the purpose it was supposedly created?

And right around then is when it occurred to me, I shouldn’t.

Then I asked myself, I said self, why wouldn’t you just take the Ivermectin? It’s safe, it works, it’s cheap, it’s readily available… and the best part is, all the right people are against it.

And I couldn’t come up with any good reason not to just take the Ivermectin.

It’s not too cold, it’s not too hot, it’s just right.

So that’s just what I did 👍 😁

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TradeBait2

👍

This ^^^ should be copied and pasted for everybody to read and remember. The simple logic is how it should go with everything. If it works better for some, insert HCQ in place of Ivermectin. I use Ivermectin.

This whole thing killed off what little trust we had left in government and the medical industry. There will never be any ‘trust but verify’ (PRR’s words) with us. It will always be suspiciously verify repeatedly before trusting. We are mentoring our family and circle of influence to do likewise.

A huge thank you to PAVACA for her diligent work to enlighten us and the world. I read all of this opener post and will reread again. But as soon as I saw Aluminum Hydroxide Gel, I knew this was poison.

It perfectly illustrates that COVID and the jabs have been a worldwide lab rate experiment that has result in genocide and eventually working toward the scum’s goal of depopulation. The second most populated nation on earth vaccinated nearly 400 million people with this mess. They gave cheap Ivermectin to another quarter of a billion people in another region instead. Censorship will probably kill the truth of any research about the outcomes of both.

But we know how it turns out.

pgroup2

My wife still thinks so. I figure that it’s probably true but I’m too old to give a crap since the damage if any has already happened.

Aubergine

Hi P.

I have suffered from vertigo before, and so am cautious about anything that might set it off. From my experience with vitamin I, the first time I took it, I had a bit of vertigo/vision issues. I wasn’t careful with timing it, or anything. I took it in the morning after my customary smoothie.

When I took it again, I made sure I took it after a BIG noon meal, with plenty of protein and fat. This was MUCH better. I don’t have any issues when I do that.

Lots of medicines cause nausea and such for some of us. So we have to be more aware.

I also have a friend who is “sensitive” to most meds, so she takes half the recommended amount of vitamin I when she needs it. She doesn’t have issues with it then. So the dosing could be a factor for her.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Similar story here. Low-dose works great for me, and the minor side effects are much less with a big meal.

Aubergine

🙂

Good to know that it is not just me with the food thing. More info helps me make recommendations for others.

TradeBait2

Same here with the vision. However, it actual helps my vision sharpen the next day. Taking it after lunch now.

pgroup2

Amazing the wisdom in nursery rhymes that we never knew was there.

Aubergine

Lol. Most “nursery rhymes” are about something other than a child’s game. I think it’s fun to look up the origins of them.

“Ring Around the Rosie” was about the Black Death, bubonic plague.

I think this explanation of “Jack and Jill” is the best, though there are other possibilities:

“In this interpretation, the nursery rhyme tells the story of the execution of the king and queen in 1793 during the Reign of Terror of the French Revolution. “Jack and Jill went up the hill,” in which the hill represents the steps to the guillotine. Jack (King Louis XVI) was the first to be beheaded and “lost his crown,” and then Jill (Marie Antoinette’s head) “came tumbling after.””

https://owlcation.com/humanities/Meanings-of-Jack-and-Jill

pgroup2

Yep.

TheseTruths

Wow. I had never heard that.

Tonawanda

Truly astonishing. TPTB just keep on going with no concern for the truth. Doesn’t make a dent. And what exactly – – EXACTLY – – does that mean about there intent? We don’t know, other than it is evil.

kalbokalbs

Q. And what exactly – – EXACTLY – – does that mean about there intent? We don’t know, other than it is evil.

A. Locally, as in me, myself and I. The answer is crystal clear AND it is evil.

  :wpds_arrow:  I Never, Ever, lose sight of, 14 of 15 have to go.

They’ve said it. Their actions and all evidence, supports it.—-

Off The Wall.

Covid largely failed. Covidiot Jabs never met expectations. (Death Rate to low.)

Any more, I’ve been pondering Ukraine debacle. Why Briben, DoS, DoD, UK, EU, NATO are all hellbent on “supporting” Ukraine.

Momentarily casting aside 1) Russia evil, 2) hide every government support Ukraine is hiding government(s) corruption, and 3) Biolabs, is there an over riding, higher incentive to “support” Ukraine.

  :wpds_arrow:  Could it be. WWIII with nuclear war, supports 14 of 15 Will Go Away.

  :wpds_arrow:  We can’t see the forest through the trees.

Tin foil hat firmly in place.

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TradeBait2

14/15 is still their goal. Always will be.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I suspect they will keep working three tracks:

1- Bird Flu

2 – Monkey Pox

3- something nuclear, but with new lies to support a very similar covidiot injection plan of some kind

They want to use FEAR to drive the needed crowd behavior (inject poisons and sterilants), without ruining the planet too much for themselves.

pgroup2

If a nuke goes off here, they will immediately push iodine anti-radiation shots [with who knows what’s in it].

If a nuke goes off anywhere else, they will push the same but they’ll add a media campaign of weather-spreading the contamination.

Never let a crisis go to waste.

Valerie Curren

Demons!   :wpds_evil: 

Aubergine

“Yours Truly is sorry for these healthcare providers now. Even IF some (maybe more than some) of them realize the dangers of the COVID-19 “vaccines” poisons that they have in their bodies, they literally have to decide whether to say anything about it, since saying anything about it could cost them their jobs, their teaching positions, their board certifications, their Licenses to Practice Medicine.”

P, I can only hope that they realize that, while their jobs, positions, etc., are all very important for their short span here on Earth, continuing to kill people to maintain them could possibly earn them an eternity in Hell.

It’s not worth it.

pgroup2

Along with all those professional costs, there’s the likely loss of health insurance at a time when one is most likely to need it.

I should ask my oncologist what entity is paying my bills since it isn’t my Medicare insurance [Humana]. Somebody is doing it and at one point it was running an average of $75,000+ per month for most of 2021.

Must be a crazy loophole of Medicaid. Has to be an accidental loophole since it makes no sense to give somebody below the poverty line such thorough coverage outside of the regular insurance policy.

Barb Meier

If you are a beneficiary of all the Covid money, at least I know one person helped. I’d vote that sometimes it is best not to question gifts from God. Just give Him thanks. A case might be made that you are a money-laundering-conduit without even knowing it. Perhaps that is why the expense is so high.

pgroup2

Understood.

TheseTruths

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I tend to be skeptical about insider sources except in a few cases, but I hope this report is true.

eilert

Even if this is true.
Vote! Vote! Vote! Make the landslide even bigger!!!

cthulhu

YES!!!

I don’t just want NC, GA, and AZ — I want PA, MI, WI! I want them to be sweating NY and WA! I want this to be the biggest stuff in the history of stuffage! I want them looking in the mirror and seeing McGovern!

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kalbokalbs

Going for 49. Hawaii a lost cause. Well OK, a few more loser shit holes may be a bridge to far. IL, NJ, OR…

Prolly still to optimistic.

scott467

DJT could do a townhall and a rally in Hawaii, talk about all the Leftist gov’t failure over the Maui fires, and the way the rich and famous child traffickers and freak-off losers use their beautiful islands as their own personal perversion playgrounds, and he is going to stop it and put ’em all in prison.

He would win Hawaii easily 👍😁

pgroup2

You must be part of the DJT ‘in-crowd’, with info like that.

scott467

You KNOW it! 👍 😂

bakocarl

Like a giant Oreo with triple stuff!

pgroup2

Now we know how to win negotiations with you. Just bring a package of triple stuffed Oreos and set ’em on the table.

Your capitulation to our terms will be immediate.  😂 

TheseTruths

Absolutely!

Tonawanda

Another astonishing aspect of our present situation. Nothing can be trusted, ulterior motives must be assumed (Aubergine’s razor), but hope comes before all.

TheseTruths

PDJT:

CONGRATULATIONS to our incredible former First Lady—as her new book MELANIA hit #1 in the USA! Buy your copy today at http://MelaniaTrump.com.

Great timing (planned, I’m sure) since this provides another buzz for the Trump campaign.

TheseTruths

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smiley2

some wimmin should not wear pantsuits.

TheseTruths

She looks heavier there than I think I’ve ever seen her.

smiley2

oh yeah, heavy all right…

“let that then inspire us by helping us to be inspired…”

video…

9/25

cthulhu

Oh, man, that’s really heavy…..dude…..

smiley2

from The Dept of Redundancy Dept

pgroup2

Lemme get a hit of that, bro.

[sound of bubbling bong]

Damn good shit.

kalbokalbs

Learn something new everyday at QTree.
Had no idea bongs bubbled.   :wpds_unamused: 

cthulhu

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bong

An alternative might be the “hitboo” in the Philippines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hookah#Operation

Valerie Curren

They’ve got “hookah bars” in Dearbornistan 🙁

TheseTruths

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pgroup2

A perfect gif.  😂 

scott467

Unburdened by all the desserts that have been.

smiley2

see my post on that, below heeheeheehee

Tonawanda

Oh that made me laugh.

scott467

😁

pat frederick

i was going to say that too

scott467

She should dress like Hitlary Clinton, in one of those pastel colored chairman Mao outfits.

It’s a great look for despots.

Aubergine

Top-heavy women should not. It just makes them look fat.

pgroup2

WGTTs hide all sins. Trust me.  😂 

Aubergine

To each their own, I guess.

pgroup2

Don’t you have a couple? I seem to remember you once commenting that you had personal knowledge of the traits and travails of WGTTs.

Aubergine

Lol, not me!

I am a C-cup girl now. I used to be a “more than would fill a champagne glass is wasted” girl, before babies.

Valerie Curren

Kids change A Lot of things 😉

Aubergine

Ain’t that the truth!

Valerie Curren

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Deplorable Patriot

That would be Pat and me. I went paleo for a while and suddenly gained cup sizes. The standard American diet seems to stunt that, too.

Deplorable Patriot

They’ve grown on Kamala over the years.

TheseTruths

I never thought of her as top-heavy before. I’m wondering if that photo has been doctored.

cthulhu

I think it has. Everyone in it seems a little extra-wide.

scott467

I would guess she’s not very top heavy, just bulletproof vest heavy.

She could certainly be middle-heavy and lower heavy though.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Certainly no mass at the very top…vacuum skull.

para59r

Time for a little breather… 😁

para59r

para59r

Storm Up Date! Sounds Serious.

TheseTruths

That was weird.
I read that one meteorologist said people should have evacuated if told to do so. He said that a 15-20-foot storm surge is not survivable.

cthulhu

Sounds like a real helpful guy.

A 15-20 storm surge is eminently survivable if you’re 25-30 feet up, and whatever is under you doesn’t wash out.

smiley2

what’s “under” most of the west coast of Florida is beach sand that washes away….and a lot of pavement to keep all that surge water from being absorbed

I’ve seen what 6′ storm surge can do…

15-20′ is, indeed, catastrophic & will result in significant flooding & beach erosion.

storm surge is relentless, over & over again, pounding the same coastal area, sometimes as far as a mile or so inland in low terrain.

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cthulhu

I’m just suggesting that saying “15-20 storm surge is not survivable” when you’re a meteorologist is like saying, “a 15-20 storm surge is not survivable within the range of my station’s reporting”.

I could certainly see “not survivable on this beach” or “not survivable on this island”, but it’s pushing things to make such a general statement — and to what benefit — is he laying down a marker for those out of the area to start making funeral arrangements?

This is a serious big storm that will notch up a whole lotta damage. It’d be nice if Mr. Helpful could do better than blaming victims and prognosticating doom.

smiley2

right, I didn’t watch him there in the post’s video…the meteorologist should be more professional and not panic.

probably just trying to get ppl to evacuate ?

but evacuating is even more stressful esp in this type of sprawling massive slow-moving hurricane : where the heck does one evacuate to, exactly ?? Alaska ? airports are shut down, can’t fly out…roadways are congested beyond hope plus flooded and in the path of destruction…and then there’s the horrific aftermath of these things where one can’t return, sometimes, for weeks.

once it hits, if you haven’t evacuated, and the surge is mounting quickly, you’re on yr own…maybe that meteorologist has experienced that.

cthulhu

….and if you haven’t evacuated, and you’re on your own, and you’re scrambling to survive…..you really need a friendly voice on the radio telling you that you should have made another choice and now you’re doomed.

He would have been more helpful if he had led a prayer.

I’m sorry if I’m cranky. I think part of it is the Xanax wearing off. I hold you, personally, in the highest regard and I’m grateful that you are bringing dispatches of news. I just want this particular weatherman to get a swift kick in the keister.

smiley2

copy that.

no offense taken.

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cthulhu

TY. 🙂

Aubergine

It’s a parody. Check out his name at the bottom.

TheseTruths

That’s a parody, but the quote I saw about the 15-20-foot storm surge was not. I think the guy was just speaking in general and warning people that if they think they can wait out the storm with that much water pouring over their house, they’re going to be in big trouble.

cthulhu

Storm surge is a lot like a tsunami, with the added “bonus” of having a massive storm going on at the same time with wind and rain. 15-20 feet is seriously no joke — one story is about 10 feet, so it could be well into the second floor. Because it’s also a surge, it can push-in walls and move debris and vehicles into places they can cause more damage.

I wish prayer were easier for me that I could better ask for God’s mercy on those afflicted.

Valerie Curren

I wish prayer were easier for me that I could better ask for God’s mercy on those afflicted.”

Just ask…He hears us all when we pray…

cthulhu

I can sort of deal with that for a beautiful sunset, or a happy child, or an opportunity to do good…..

But — and I have no idea where I get the impulse from — I feel that a formal prayer is due for a more complex benefit, especially for someone else. It’s like anything less than a sonnet or sestina is being “half-assed”.

It may have something to do with my admiration of the KJV, which not only “does the job”, but is so beautiful.

Valerie Curren

I agree about the beauty of the KJV but that’s not a requirement of prayer, just an enhancement.

“Enter His gates with thanksgiving in your heart and enter His courts with praise”

The Lord’s Prayer (Our Father) is a model that Jesus taught us all.

Matthew 6: 5-13, NIV

Prayer
“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

“This, then, is how you should pray:
“‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
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your kingdom come,
your will be done,
    on earth as it is in heaven.
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Give us today our daily bread.
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And forgive us our debts,
    as we also have forgiven our debtors.
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And lead us not into temptation,[a]
    but deliver us from the evil one.[b]’

Footnotes

  1. Matthew 6:13 The Greek for temptation can also mean testing.
  2. Matthew 6:13 Or from evil; some late manuscripts one, / for yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%206&version=NIV

and a very pertinent passage

Psalm 32: 6-7


Therefore let all the faithful pray to you
    while you may be found;
surely the rising of the mighty waters
    will not reach them.

You are my hiding place;
    you will protect me from trouble
    and surround me with songs of deliverance.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm%2032&version=NIV

I put “pray” in bible gateway’s search engine & got all references including “prayer” etc.

Be at peace brother and just call on the Lord!

scott467

This is a good one too:

https://www.blueletterbible.org/

Valerie Curren

Yes TY!

scott467

“It may have something to do with my admiration of the KJV, which not only “does the job”, but is so beautiful.”

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If it helps, just add ‘eth’ to the end of any word that could use a dose of KJV olde English formality.

Giveth, goeth, helpeth, stinketh, runneth, riseth, baketh, knoweth, answereth, doeth, careth, etc.

If you want to spice it up a little more, throw in some words that end in ‘est’.

Callest, mayest, sendest, doest, goest, givest, knowest, etc.

You’ll sound like a proper medieval thespian in no time 👍

Or you might think it sounds a little silly halfway through, and laugh, which will relax you enough to just say what you mean 😁

TheseTruths

LOL

I taketh thy meaning, tho.

cthulhu

I rejoice in other’s ability to pray with spontaneous grace and seek to emulate them, but frequently feel particularly clumsy and unworthy.

Valerie Curren

Just be yourself & talk to The One who is Always listening 🙂

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Tonawanda

This is great advice. I keep in mind that God already knows how painfully deficient I am.

Valerie Curren

It takes almost all of the pressure off. We can’t hide Anything from Him so why not just be transparent to the Lover of our souls  😇 

Valerie Curren

Just talk to the best friend who loves you more than anyone else ever could, relax, share from your heart. Be Blessed 🙂

TheseTruths

God knows your abilities perfectly and most importantly, he knows your heart. I have heard heartfelt prayers by uneducated people who didn’t speak “properly.” It’s the heart that counts.

Exodus 4:
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And Moses said unto the LORD, O my Lord, I am not eloquent, neither heretofore, nor since thou hast spoken unto thy servant: but I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue.
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And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man’s mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?

pgroup2

No he does not. He hears the cries of His children. No others, primarily because those others are non-believers.

God does not open Satan’s mail.

Valerie Curren

I gently disagree. He hears Everyone but that doesn’t mean that He gives us all what we ask for…

pgroup2

So you believe He answers or even hears sinners’ prayers? There are Scriptures where He states that he does not.

I’m too lazy to go look them up right now.

Valerie Curren

If He didn’t hear sinners’ prayers then none of us would be saved!

Aubergine

It’s a parody.

Look at the meteorologist’s name at the bottom: “Jim Acosted.”

para59r

Yes, I’m sure.. 😆 got a good laugh when he said the Hurricane should loop around toward texas and blow all the illegals back across the border. 👍

Aubergine

Lol, me too!

kalbokalbs

Hilarious.   :wpds_lol:   :wpds_lol:   :wpds_lol: 

Valerie Curren

You wouldn’t have ever been divorced would you 😉 😉

“Satan’s Butthole” got me, which is why I sent it to Hubby LOL

kalbokalbs

Fortunately, no divorce.

I have, half jokingly, (or was I), told DW from the beginning.

No return. No refund. No exchange. She’s stuck with me for good. 😎

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pgroup2

The absolute rule in our house is I am the head and we never argue.

Worked for 21+ years so far.

Have had some lively discussions, though.  🤔 

Valerie Curren

Our philosophy too! Hubby is the first one in 4 generations, on his dad’s side & 3 generations on his mom’s side, to not get a divorce. God is good!

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smiley2

LIVE UPDATES On How Helene Is Impacting Parts of SC, NC and GA

link, with videos…

https://www.wyff4.com/article/helene-flooding-live-updates-damage-south-carolina/62384809

as of 1:20 am, 9/27

Helene made landfall in Florida’s Big Bend as a powerful CAT 4 at around11:10 pm Thursday….some say 11:25 pm…max sustained winds at 140 mph.

still churning….Florida’s still getting hammered at 2:11 am…

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a lot of tornadoes, apparently, with this.

scenes from Sarasota & Manatee, Fl as Helene passes by….storm surge…

video…

https://www.heraldtribune.com/story/weather/hurricane/2024/09/26/hurricane-helene-impact-in-sarasota-bradenton-live-flooding-rain/75385177007/

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cthulhu

It looks like it’s curving slightly to the east of Atlanta and more toward the SC border.

Further, it’s turning from black to red.

C’mon, weaken! weaken! weaken!

smiley2

it’s also slowing down, apparently, and that’s not good.

scott467

Unless it slows down right over wherever Nathan Wade is hiding out, and stays there, until he remembers whether he was ever in a cabin with Big Fanny 😂

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Valerie Curren

 😂 

smiley2

yes, you’re welcome.

it’s actually starting to creep up into Ohio now…

Valerie Curren

We’ve had lots of wind here in SE MI today

cthulhu

Looks like Helene’s up to the Valdosta area already. Hopefully it’s drying out and losing energy.

TheseTruths

EXCLUSIVE: Stephen K. Bannon Pens ‘Victory is at Hand’ Message to MAGA from Danbury Prison.

DANBURY, Connecticut, September 26, 2024 – Victory is at hand.

Recent shifts in the few reliable polls in key districts and swing states show that hard-pressed Americans are decisively rejecting the phony “politics of joy” and the empty promises that define the Harris campaign. People are seeing through the word salad rhetoric, recognizing it for what it is: hollow.

To date, the Harris campaign has offered no real solutions to the struggles Americans face: inflation, rising crime, and weakening national security. These topics can’t be masked by feel-good phrases, celebrity endorsements, or as many Oprah interviews as you want.

Harris has peaked. The momentum is now on our side, and this is the time to capitalize on it.

If the Make America Great Again (MAGA) movement focuses all of its efforts on a massive get-out-the-vote and ballot-chasing effort in the crucial days and weeks until November 5th, we will win and win big.

The stakes have never been higher; this is the opportunity to take back control. We are not just fighting for a win; we are fighting for the future of America. A victory of this magnitude means sweeping control of the House, Senate, and the Presidency. With this trifecta, we can destroy the policies that have harmed Americans and put the country back on track.

The reality is that there is no significant group of “undecided” voters left regarding the candidates themselves. People know where they stand when it comes to President Trump and his opponents. What remains unclear for some is whether they will actually participate in the voting process.

These are the individuals who will decide this election. With relentless effort and personal contact, they will break our way. It’s our job to engage with them, ensure they understand what’s at stake, and motivate them to cast their ballots.

President Trump risks his life daily to save our country. Every day, he faces tremendous opposition and challenges, but he continues to fight for the American people.

Through your work, show him that you have his back. Let’s demonstrate our commitment to this cause by putting everything we have into these final weeks.

Remember: Victory is at hand.

eilert

Wait till next week when he is BACK in the WarRoom.
I can’t wait. for his first Rant.

cthulhu

I’d love for him to quote Nigel when his mike goes live — “Wakey, wakey!”

cthulhu

For those unfamiliar with the occasion, some wanker in the UK named Matt Gallagher wrote: “June 24, 2018 – Good to see we’ll be staying in the EU. If I wake up to NigelFarage‘s smiling face I’ll kill myself #EUref RETWEETS LIKES 3 28 6:43 PM – 23 Jun 2016 3 328″ on the night of the Brexit vote.

Brexit passed.

And the next morning, his post had a reply — A picture of Nigel Farage’s smiling face with the caption, “Wakey, wakey!”

Valerie Curren

LOL

I’m guessing MG didn’t kill himself, just like our “celebs” didn’t leave America when Trump won (the first time) even though they said they would 😉 😉

smiley2

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Valerie Curren

 😂 

bakocarl

. . . also a quote from Crocodile Dundee.

kalbokalbs

Thought Bannon had a four moth sentence in the Gulag. Freeing him 1 Nov.

Hope you are correct and I am wrong.

pgroup2

Both are right. It’s a ‘good behavior discount’.

kalbokalbs

Had not read, good behavior in play.

Navarro got screwed out of it.

Pleasantly surprised if Bannon truly walks out 1 October.

Bannon will be on fire.

pgroup2

Yes Peter got screwed but he probably scowled at a guard. Depending on the prison, that could be an infraction. And no, I’m not joking – it’s called mean face [or something similar].

kalbokalbs

Bureau of Prisons is a criminal organization itself.

Won’t be number one on Trump’s list, but they are going to have forced changes.

Valerie Curren

Sadists R Us  😡 

TheseTruths

Next week? I thought he had another month in prison. I hope I’m wrong.

kalbokalbs

We were wrong. Apparently good behavior worked a month off.

TheseTruths

👍🏼

Tonawanda

A victory of this magnitude means sweeping control of the House, Senate, and the Presidency.

And no Paul Ryan this time!

kalbokalbs

Gonna take an MTG to run, Rule the House properly.

pgroup2

Keep in mind, the Speaker does not have to be a representative.

I personally would like to see Dave Brat or even Bob Good [who just lost his primary]. Both have prior experience with the place but they don’t go along to get along.

smiley2

WeatherNation…LIVE coverage, Helene…

link…

https://rumble.com/v5g8hb9-weathernation-live-247.html?e9s=src_v1_ep

eilert

eilert
smiley2

outstanding !

Valerie Curren

comment imageJeff Sekerak

@JeffSekerak
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Last great war won by the freedom-fighters. Unless you count Bundy Ranch, too…

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https://gab.com/JeffSekerak/posts/113197258572490891

Valerie Curren

comment imageChed Ched
@Merileedawn
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Trump: Woman of the United States, I want to be your protector as president. https://gatewayhispanic.com/video/trump-woman-of-the-united-states-i-want-to-be-your-protector-as-president/

https://gab.com/Merileedawn/posts/113197258531527491

Valerie Curren

Seen on Gab, seems to echo what some techies here say (my cheap seats interpretation)

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I want to encourage as many people as possible to switch to a Linux distribution and away from Windows. It takes some learning and doing some howework on the subject. In fact if you live in certain countries like the UK or Australia, I would argue that making the switch is a necessity, due to privacy concerns. But it’s worth it.

There are a ton of videos on Youtube about how to make the switch. If your unsure about linux, you can actually try a distribution on a virtual machine running on your computer to see if you like it first.

https://gab.com/BearItGaming/posts/113196117460568038

cthulhu

I would recommend that everyone move to Linux, but I should also warn that it involves a couple of major shifts in thinking.

Adopting an operating system is usually like getting a toy truck. It looks like a truck, acts like a truck, and you can play with it all day long.

Using Linux is like getting an erector set. The picture on the outside of the box might look like a truck — and, if you build it according to directions, you can get a toy truck that looks like a truck, acts like a truck, and you can play with it as a truck all day long.

But there are also instructions to build the same kit as a bulldozer. You can build it as a bulldozer, you get a toy bulldozer that looks like a bulldozer, acts like a bulldozer, and you can play with it as a bulldozer all day long.

Or you can buy a bigger kit to build a cantilevered crane. Or a bridge. Or a railroad locomotive. Or a building. There are literally thousands of parts out there.

A Linux distro is a curated set of parts meant to build a certain subset of things. “Enterprise” Linux, like Red Hat Enterprise Linux or Ubuntu Pro or SUSE, are very stable and reliable for doing large-company processing, where everything has to work together. Edubuntu is meant to support classroom learning. Ubuntu Studio is meant to create audio/video projects. Kali Linux is meant to probe the limits of computer security.

Yet these are all “Linux”.

The first shift is from buying a “thing” from Microsoft to using a Linux collection. The next shift is the dynamism of all the parts. If you want a web browser, a text editor, an office suite, a vector graphics editor, a media player, or a desktop, there are a variety of alternatives in Linux, even within a curated distro. Each is loved and maintained by someone or some group of real people. You can talk to them, and they generally respond — if you have a suggestion, they might implement it…..or, if you can construct the implementation, they may adopt it (and give you credit). There may be 60,000 parts to your Linux installation — some may have stayed the same for 20 years because they were done so well…..and some may have been upgraded last week.

The good news is that you don’t have to be a complete Linux nut to use the system, but it is quite helpful to know the environment.

What is gained by using Linux is complete control over your entire system in a way that Windows or iOS will never give you.

Tonawanda

Always read these Linux posts with interest, and always come away with the same (wistful) thought: I would need someone sitting next to me telling me and showing me how to do it.

Valerie Curren

ditto

pat frederick

in cases like this, i would be more than happy to barter services. I am a very good baker, i have excellent sewing skills, and am great at cleaning and organizing. i would wanna talk trade.

Tonawanda

Me too! I love pruning bushes and pulling weeds!

pat frederick

sounds like a good deal to me…I hate those things!

Valerie Curren

sounds like one needs to be more of a computer programmer than just an end user; also I really appreciate the Tinker Toy analogy 🙂

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slowcreekno

It might help to be a programmer or at least have some engineering background, (me being another N=1 anecdote), but the bar is lower than that.

Fortunately.

When out walking the dog, I get to meet the other people in the neighborhood who also have dogs, and although for the most part, the topic on meeting is our dogs, what their names are, what breed or mix they are etc. The effect is that I know the names of most of the dogs in this area, but the names of only a few of their owners.

But sometimes other topics come up. Such as houses for sale. Or what my ham antennas are. Or in the present case, about some PCs not working. Surprisingly enough the woman who asked was trying to pull things off a broken PC for a friend; her own machine was working. Then the question of operating systems came up. She had long ago decided to switch to Linux for her daily driver PC — and now the question was about how to best go about trying to pull data off of that other broken PC. I mentioned some tools such as file and dd that might possibly be useful.

And her day job is with landscaping, paving, arranging the planting of bushes and pretty flowers near schools and other public areas. Not a desk job where one is paid for the results of what physically amounts to sitting and thinking and writing down the thoughts. Yet she is comfortable with Linux for what she needs.

Valerie Curren

TY 🙂

Linux is on my to-do Eventually list 😉

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

One thing to be clear about.

We are talking about laptop and desktop computers…not phones and tablets as pushed by Android and Apple. The tablet isn’t impossible but will be a metric shittonne of work.

Yes, there are Linux phones but…well, don’t get me started. At absolute best, you’ll need to buy a different phone and it won’t be cheap. At worst, you’ll do that and the phone won’t work.

TheseTruths

Of course she did.

Valerie Curren

Yep 🙁

Valerie Curren

Good News from Gab’s leader!

comment imageAndrew Torba https://gab.com/emoji/271d.svg

@a
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Just spent two days in the Lancaster, PA area. Amish country. Trump signs everywhere.

https://gab.com/a/posts/113195459663997073

Valerie Curren

comment imageLauren Witzke

@LaurenWitzkeDE
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In this episode of America’s incompetency crisis:
There has been a chemical leak from a train in Indiana.
Yet again, Pete Buttplug is nowhere to be found.

40 second video showing pressurized gas escaping a train car at link

[video src="https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/166/594/719/playable/e7b91c316c483aed.mp4" /]

https://gab.com/LaurenWitzkeDE/posts/113195840962891679

Valerie Curren

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scott467

That’s because all government is, clearly, is organized crime, criminals who enforce their will through threats and violence, to line their own pockets.

If it does any other thing besides that, I haven’t seen it.

Valerie Curren

Boom!

Valerie Curren

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scott467

“ALUMINIUM HYDROXIDEGEL.pdf [snip]

Below is part of the Special Remarks portion of section 11: 

Special Remarks on other Toxic Effects on Humans: Acute Potential Health Effects: May cause mild skin, eye and upper respiratory tract irritation. Ingestion: May cause gastrointestinal tract irritation: May affect bones (osteomalacia), metabolism, blood, behavior (muscle contraction, spasticity, and change in motor activity), and liver.”

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They should just use Ivermectin. It’s cheap, effective, readily available and doesn’t have all that bad stuff.

Valerie Curren

Seen on Gab…applicable to effects of mask nazi-ism, imo

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https://gab.com/KrystalW/posts/113196809226476026

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Happy Joy Hour !

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Tonawanda

Now Ramirez needs to do it with the children and other completely innocent people who were arbitrarily murdered as “acceptable” collateral damage. He should have a child handing the phone over.

That is the issue: what is “acceptable” collateral damage? That is an issue people disagree on, but that is the issue.

The reason Americans need to think about the issue seriously is – – the interests of the American people might be viewed, categorically, as acceptable damage by actors who could not care less about the interests of the American people, and who may actually be trying to destroy those interests.

Both sides of the issue need to acknowledge and address the issue of collateral damage, and ask if the view of a foreign government acting in its own interests must be accepted, or you will be called a name, or worse.

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smiley2

“…the interests of the American people might be viewed, categorically, as acceptable damage by actors who could not care less about the interests of the American people, and who may actually be trying to destroy those interests…”

I have no idea what you are trying to say there.

Tonawanda

Regardless of how they portray themselves, foreign governments will do things in their own interests despite knowing it will harm American interests.

smiley2

Ramirez was being polite there…

check out the photos in this article…Israel’s enemies did this…

Children Were Murdered and Burned Alive on Oct 7…

link…

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hjqyi11q0r

I still don’t know exactly what yr beef is.

sounds like a lot of sanctimonious hypocrisy, no offense.

you seem to beating around the bush about being anti Israel.

and, in all honesty, I really don’t want to battle it out here with you..

I have nothing against you personally.

Tonawanda

I would not call it a beef. I would say my mind has been opened to possibilities I would not have considered plausible not too long ago.

Let me try the Scott thing.

1) “I still don’t know exactly what yr beef is.”

My beef is always about the truth, whether we are getting the truth or not. My state of mind presently is we are not getting much, regardless of who is telling us what.

2) “sounds like a lot of sanctimonious hypocrisy, no offense.”

Well, you got me exactly where I do not intend to be. In everything I say, I try to go out of my way to not be sanctimonious or hypocritical. This is what Scott humorously (I think) called Socratic dialogue intended not to offend anybody.

Keep in mind that I am speaking to people (the site) I have “known” for many years. Over those years I have seen some contentious disputes.

The sanctimony part I get, although I do not agree, and think it is mistaken. I state things in a way which can come across as sanctimonious, I can see that, although I think it is mistaken.

The hypocritical part I do not get, cannot see, and am bewildered that anyone would think that. But then, maybe I am regrettably blind to that.

3) “you seem to beating around the bush about being anti Israel.”

Cautious and trying to be fair and prudent, yes, but beating around the bush I don’t think so.

I have stated that Israel may have been involved in the assassination of JFK. The evidence of this is quite strong. But it is necessarily inconclusive in the sense that the evidence is circumstantial. Contrary to popular opinion circumstantial evidence can be powerful.

I have stated that Israel conducted a murderous slaughter of Americans on the USS Liberty. They deny it, but the denial is implausible. This is what I call Liberty the building 7 event of Israeli operations against America, in that it cannot be obscured or explained away. It reveals actual intent and philosophical justification, that the well being of America is categorically subservient to the well being of Israel.

I have stated that Israel may have been involved in perpetrating 9-11. Like JFK and Liberty, a direct attack on America and Americans.

I am not anti-Israel. Things are more complicated than that. But Israeli exploitation of America to a murderous degree seems likely.

4) “and, in all honesty, I really don’t want to battle it out here with you..”

Understood, appreciated, and reciprocated.

You are (it seems) an unqualified supporter of Israel. This is a position I am familiar with. And a position I understand, and consider reasonable.

My own position is more muddled and conflicted. To me, common sense and a desire for the truth makes me more concerned about the best interests of America.

kalbokalbs

Whole heartedly, America First.

More and more, I see Israel exploiting America…

Israel, like too many countries Expect massive support from the US (Taxpayers).

  • Wholly unacceptable to me.
  • Billions sent to Israel needs to stop. Other countries as well.
  • Giving arms and ammunition to Israel needs to stop. Other countries as well.
  • “Lend Lease” never.
  • ^^^ Applies to dozens of “allies.”

Guessing Trump will pare this nonsense back, when he is in the WH. Trump certainly sees the problem.

smiley2

“…an unqualified supporter of Israel…”

not sure, exactly, what that means…

it must suggest that I have not actually stated that I support Israel…

which is not the case : I have said so…here…several times.

but let me say it again, in case you missed it before…

I support Israel’s right to exist, defend herself and to help protect American interests in that region.

I stand with Israel .

so…that should help clarify that I am a qualified supporter of same.

and I do not, never have and never will support or align myself with any form of antiSemitism….those who doggedly bash Israel, the Zionists and the history of Israel by ignorantly casting “Israel” and the Zionist Jews as the perpetrators of evil, “collateral damage”, child killers, terrorism, WW2 etc etc are the same ones who will try to shrug off their own rabid antiSemitism as being “justified” because the Jews aren’t really Jews or some such hogwash.

therein lies the hypocrisy.

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Tonawanda

Unqualified supporter of Israel means that you believe Israel is categorically justified regardless of what they do. If I were an Israeli, I might feel the same way.

But as an American, I think it is necessary to be more objective and discerning than that.

The accusation of anti-semitism IMO is dreary nonsense.

I have noticed that you never make factual, logical arguments. I assume that your mind is closed to the factual arguments made by others on the assumption those arguments necessarily arise from anti-semitism and not facts.

People defend Israel by name-calling and cancellation, not by discussion of facts. To my mind, that is an implicit admission that they are incapable of defending Israel based on the facts.

smiley2

I’m trying my level best here to take you seriously, really I am…

but I can’t stop laughing at your arrogance.

it’s your pompous arrogance that blinds you to your own ignorance.

I also marvel at how the arrogant seem to have such a repititious display of verbosity.

maybe you think of that as a skill set ?

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Aubergine

War is ugly, war is hell. And war brings collateral damage. Always has, always will.

If a government is sane, it considers the possible collateral damage before attacking another government. If it is not sane, well…

It would be just great if crazy religious zealots didn’t want to wipe an entire nation off the face of the Earth, but they do. This is a result of that.

Tonawanda

If a foreign government is using barbaric acts to draw America into a war where Americans will do the dying, where our national interests are set back, where (as always) Americans pay for the “privilege” of waging war, then that government is actually our enemy, regardless of what they say.

Whoever was behind it, JFK had enormous collateral damage on America; so did the USS Liberty; so did 9-11.

Using American money to kill 100 collateral innocents in order to kill one terrorist, has enormous collateral damage to America.

There is incidental and unintended collateral damage, and then there is reckless/intentional/disproportionate collateral damge done for the purpose bamboozling other innocent people into doing your bidding.

It is just dawning on our side that maybe America was bamboozled into both world wars through the use of dishonest manipulation (Lusitania, Pearl Harbor), and relentless hysterical propaganda. If so, the collateral damage was hundreds of thousands of American lives. JMO we should be more aware about that happening again.

Aubergine

Every government on Earth should protect and defend its own citizens FIRST. That goes for America. It also goes for Israel.

Robert Baker

It is just dawning on our side that maybe America was bamboozled into both world wars through the use of dishonest manipulation (Lusitania, Pearl Harbor), and relentless hysterical propaganda.

I think you will find, if you dig deep enough, that American leaders had strong economic reasons for entering both wars. The American people were probably blind but the same cannot be said for America’s political leaders. That is one of the stark differences between Trump and any other political leader you wish to name, Trump cares about the American citizen.

pgroup2

Well, that sure as heck makes DJT a menace to the Blob State.

Robert Baker

After this Summer there can be little disagreement that Trump is a treat to the Blob democracy.

Valerie Curren

YW–that guy I believe  😡 

Valerie Curren

School House Rock bottom

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Valerie Curren

So hubby is immortal 😉

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@Denileriverafter
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STUDY FINDS

Drinking 3 cups of coffee linked to preventing multiple diseases

By StudyFinds Staff
Reviewed by Chris Melore
Research led by Dr. Chaofu Ke, Suzhou Medical College
Sep 23, 2024

https://archive.is/x81Vw

https://gab.com/Denileriverafter/posts/113197234772127198

Valerie Curren

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scott467

That’s her ‘come hither’ look… 😂

Valerie Curren

for the Zombie Apocalypse   :wpds_envy: 

Valerie Curren

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And here it is,

The Arizona Senate AUDIT CONFIRMS BEYOND THE SHADOW OF A DOUBT Trump is the duly elected President of the United States.

Katie Hobbs and her co-conspirator Adrian Fontes inserted 74, 243 MAIL IN BALLOTS in the Nov 3, 2020 election that are TIED to individuals returned and cast with NO RECORD of ever being SENT OUT.

U.S. Congress certified a criminal enterprise on Jan 6. And they all know it,

https://x.com/Real_RobN/status/1838602614134706354

https://gab.com/IamOrlando/posts/113194964745625167

Valerie Curren

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scott467

Yeah, no kidding.

Valerie Curren

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scott467

I was talkin’ to Tommy, btw! 😂

Valerie Curren