2020·12·12 KMAG Daily Thread

The Great Conjunction

Instead of politics, I’m going to talk about what’s about to happen on the 21st at about 5PM.

Jupiter and Saturn, which appear in the southwestern sky shortly after sunset, will appear in our sky only 6 arc minutes apart. When they come close to each other like this, it’s called a Great Conjunction, because it’s the rarest of all possible conjunctions involving planets visible with the naked eye.

Jupiter and Saturn in Sagittarius (you can see the “teapot” asterism) earlier this summer.
The central black hole of the Milky Way Galaxy is somewhere in that direction also. (Photo by me.)

That is one fifth of the apparent width of the full moon.

It’s also about the width of six quarters, laid out side to side, at a hundred yards, or about a six inch wide object at that distance.

As of 5 PM Friday the 11th, Mountain Time, or 0000 Zulu on the 12th, they are 1.08 degrees apart in the sky, which is to say about 65 arc minutes. (60 arc minutes makes a degree).

I know this because I downloaded a bunch of sun-centered coordinates for Earth, Jupiter and Saturn from the NASA website, built a spreadsheet to do the calculations to center the coordinates on earth, then did a vector cross product of the normalized vectors and took the arcsine. (That either meant something to you…or it didn’t!) What you are about to see here in my diagrams, below, is the real stuff, with the real planetary positions, as best as I can draw it; it’s not some notional cartoon.

As of 5 PM on the 21st, Mountain Time, the separation is 0.105 degrees, which is 6.3 arc minutes.

If you look through a telescope at 5PM MST on the 21st, this is what you will see:

Jupiter/Saturn Conjunction
A view showing how the Jupiter-Saturn conjunction will appear in a telescope pointed toward the western horizon at 6 p.m. CST, Dec. 21, 2020. The image is adapted from graphics by open-source planetarium software Stellarium. (This work, “jupsat1,” is adapted from Stellarium by Patrick Hartigan, used under GPL-2.0, and provided under CC BY 4.0 courtesy of Patrick Hartigan)

Yes, you will see Jupiter and Saturn in the SAME field of view, without having to shift!

Now if you’ve been watching Jupiter and Saturn since this summer, when they were essentially right on top of the Summer Milky Way Galaxy, you noticed they were close. They don’t seem much closer today, but they’re going to get a lot closer, a lot faster now.

What’s going on?

Again, going back to my NASA data dump, I can create a picture, looking down from above the Sun’s north pole, of 5 PM on the 12th. The dots representing the planets and sun are actually much too large, but the distances are to scale.

My diagram, drawn from NASA supplied heliocentric ephemerides.
(One thing I had to cheat on is the orbits, I drew them as perfect circles centered on the Sun,
and they really aren’t, quite, but they’re close.)

The arrows correspond to how fast (and in what direction) the planets are moving around the Sun, and they’re even scaled…the length of the shaft of the arrow is how much it will move in ten days (ignore the head of the arrow, which is sized to be bigger than the shaft for Saturn’s arrow).

Earth is “up” from the Sun in this diagram because the way the coordinate system is defined, it’s on the X axis to the right of the sun at the beginning of fall (in the northern hemisphere). A quarter of a year later, Earth has moved almost ninety degrees around its orbit, so it will be near the Y axis, “above” the Sun.

You can see that the earth is moving one way (“left” on the diagram), and Jupiter and Saturn are moving the other way (right-ish), and furthermore that Jupiter is catching up to Saturn. (Since both Jupiter and Saturn are moving in nearly-circular orbits, and Jupiter is closer to the Sun, Jupiter moves faster than Saturn, and Earth moves faster still. See Kepler’s second and third laws.) With Jupiter to the left of the Earth-Saturn line, and moving rightwards towards that line, and Earth moving to the left, dragging one end of the Earth-Saturn line with it, Jupiter’s going to find itself on that line pretty doggone quickly.

My diagram, drawn from NASA supplied heliocentric ephemerides.
(One thing I had to cheat on is the orbits, I drew them as perfect circles centered on the Sun,
and they really aren’t, quite, but they’re close.)

Shazam, you now have the closest conjunction of Saturn and Jupiter (by definition as seen from Earth) in about 800 years!

But you might think, doesn’t this happen every time Jupiter “laps” Saturn? Jupiter, moving around the Sun once every 12 years, will lap Saturn, moving around the sun every 28 years, every 20 years or so. And indeed there is a great conjunction just about every 20 years, sometimes even multiples in that year if the timing is such that Earth zig-zags across the Saturn-Jupiter line.

But most great conjunctions aren’t really this close as seen from Earth. The reason that’s not plain here is that these pictures do not, and cannot, tell the whole story. They’re two dimensional and the full story is three dimensional.

Although the orbits almost lie in the same plane, they do not. And that difference is critical. The diagrams are set up so that they show the Earth’s orbital plane, also called the plane of the ecliptic. Jupiter’s is tilted by 1.31 degrees, and Saturn’s is tilted 2.48 degrees. So it turns out that right now, those planets would, in fact, be slightly inside your screen if it were a 3D display. If you take the Earth’s orbit’s radius (not diameter) as “1 Astronomical Unit” then Jupiter is almost exactly 5% or 1/20th of that distance inside your screen. Saturn is 7% of that distance into your screen. You can hopefully imagine the line from Earth descending at a shallow gradient into the screen, going through Jupiter, then continuing its descent and almost crossing through Saturn, which is just a bit deeper into the screen.

Different great conjunctions occur when Jupiter and Saturn are at different spots in their orbits, and in many cases one of them will be above the plane of your computer screen while the other one is below it. What you’d see here on Earth when that happens is one of them crossing considerably to the north of the other in the sky, rather than almost–almost–right on top of each other.

That’s why this great conjunction is so special. They’re not just lined up on my diagram (as they would be every 20 years or so), they’re damn close to being lined up in three dimensions, so from Earth, you will see Jupiter almost directly in front of Saturn, and that is rare! (Though it will happen again in sixty years–today’s young adults and children will have another shot at this–but after that, wait four centuries or so.)

It’s important to note that the planets never actually get close to each other. Jupiter and Saturn are further apart than the distance from the Earth to the Sun. It’s just that sometimes they are almost on the same line of sight as seen from here.

Star of Bethlehem?

This event is being hyped as the “Star of Bethlehem.” But whatever it was that happened then, it probably wasn’t a great conjunction. Trying to nail down just what the original Star of Bethlehem actually was (assuming it isn’t completely mythical) has been an occasional pastime for nearly two thousand years. We don’t know the year, and frankly, we don’t even know the season. (There’s no actual scriptural warrant for the nativity being in late December.) The nativity is described in two of the gospels, Matthew and Luke, with the Star of Bethlehem only appearing in Matthew’s account. The time indications in the two gospels are actually years apart (Herod’s reign ended in 4 BC, Quirinius didn’t become governor of Syria until 6 AD). Even if there’s a way to reconcile that through some new historical discovery, which year would the reconciliation point to?

People seeking an astronomical event that could have been the Star of Bethlehem therefore have to search over at least a ten year range. Well there was a Great Conjunction in 7 BC (in fact they got three of them because the Earth managed to zigzag across the Jupiter-Saturn line that year), but it wasn’t close enough to be very impressive, and 7 BC was almost certainly too early anyway.

But there was a very close conjunction of Jupiter and Venus in 2 BC, near Regulus, the brightest star in Leo, on June 17. It was certainly more visually striking, because Venus is far brighter than Saturn, and the conjunction was closer than any of the three great conjunctions in 7 BC, to boot. This could be a candidate.

2002 Triple Conjunction

There was a series of conjunctions, albeit not involving Jupiter, in 2002. I remember there was quite a clustering of planets in the evening sky that year. According to Wikipedia:

Venus, Mars and Saturn appeared close together in the evening sky in early May 2002, with a conjunction of Mars and Saturn occurring on 4 May. This was followed by a conjunction of Venus and Saturn on 7 May, and another of Venus and Mars on 10 May when their angular separation was only 18 arcminutes. A series of conjunctions between the Moon and, in order, Saturn, Mars and Venus took place on 14 May, although it was not possible to observe all these in darkness from any single location on the Earth.

Wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjunction_(astronomy)

Note that Venus and Mars got to within three times the distance Jupiter and Saturn will get on the 21st. If you happen to remember that, this is going to kick its ass.

Conjunctions Involving The Sun

Oftentimes a planet will have a conjunction with the Sun, and when that happens they will generally just say, for example, “Jupiter is in conjunction” without naming the Sun. It’s assumed.

The Sun will be passing in front of Jupiter and Saturn in a couple of months, as seen from Earth; just imagine in my diagrams Earth moving further around its orbit quite quickly while Jupiter and Saturn move much more slowly, and you’ll “see” it happening.

There won’t be much to see, of course, because to see the event, you have to do so when the Sun is above the horizon, and that, of course, is daytime.

Since Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune are further out from the Sun than Earth is, when we see a conjunction involving those planets and the sun, the planet is always “behind” the sun.

But what about Mercury and Venus? They can have conjunctions where they are on the other side of the sun, or conjunctions where they are between us and the sun. The former are called superior conjunctions and the latter, inferior conjunctions.

Again, because their orbits are tilted with respect to ours, they don’t pass directly behind (or in front of) the Sun that often, usually looking like they are to the south or north of the Sun at closest approach.

But every once in a while one of these planets will pass in front of the sun (which is a big broad target compared to any other planet), and that’s called a transit. Venus in particular generally has pairs of conjunctions 8 years apart…but the pairs are separated by about a century. When this happens you can, with glasses of the type you’d use to look at the sun near an eclipse, actually see a little black dot on the face of the sun, even without a telescope. This last happened in 2004 and 2012, so if you missed it you are SOL, the next occurrence is in December 2117. (And yes, I was watching in 2012.)

Venus transits are of huge historical importance; they gave us our first good way of measuring the size of Earth’s orbit and (since we already knew the proportions) hence the size of just about everything in the Solar System. (Or, equivalently: It told us how big an “astronomical unit” was in more earthly measurements; since we already knew the size of everything in the Solar System in AUs, we could now give distances in furlongs, if we wanted to, by multiplying.)

Here’s a deep dive on Venus transits (including why they are important) that I wrote at the time, and a later article including pictures I took.

Raw data

This is the position and velocity data I pulled off the NASA website. Sun is at (0, 0, 0). Distances are in AU (astronomical units), velocity is in AU/day. 1 AU by definition is 149,597,870,700 meters (92,955,807 miles, 1441 feet, 6.898- inches), it was originally defined as the semi-major axis of the Earth’s orbit, and a day is precisely 86,400 seconds (no matter how much the Earth slows down rotating). The diagrams were created at the scale of 100 pixels = 1AU, and they appear to have come across (into WordPress’s editor at least) at the proper size.

2459195.500000000 = A.D. 2020-Dec-12 00:00:00.0000 TDB
X = 1.622579957389862E-01 Y = 9.761221058229992E-01 Z = 5.373489375534890E-05
VX=-1.724242466206539E-02 VY= 2.883832025215380E-03 VZ= 6.987175827141265E-07

2459205.500000000 = A.D. 2020-Dec-22 00:00:00.0000 TDB
X =-1.188898588832658E-02 Y = 9.897218187033275E-01 Z = 6.029984014237024E-05
VX= 6.031051355304800E-03 VY= 4.767506691437359E-03 VZ=-1.546747270590170E-04

2459195.500000000 = A.D. 2020-Dec-12 00:00:00.0000 TDB
X = 2.914228592894236E+00 Y =-4.177510430316559E+00 Z =-4.786920225992232E-02
VX= 6.095603857740477E-03 VY= 4.674926465555783E-03 VZ=-1.557747700228924E-04

2459205.500000000 = A.D. 2020-Dec-22 00:00:00.0000 TDB
X = 2.974861050901444E+00 Y =-4.130298866311659E+00 Z =-4.942153470106487E-02
VX= 6.031051355304800E-03 VY= 4.767506691437359E-03 VZ=-1.546747270590170E-04

2459195.500000000 = A.D. 2020-Dec-12 00:00:00.0000 TDB
X = 5.396386096136037E+00 Y =-8.396666010466467E+00 Z =-6.884059973895380E-02
VX= 4.382900563538985E-03 VY= 3.001959812133514E-03 VZ=-2.266077336665883E-04

459205.500000000 = A.D. 2020-Dec-22 00:00:00.0000 TDB
X = 5.440127588899244E+00 Y =-8.366514834723951E+00 Z =-7.110831635421563E-02
VX= 4.365303571900237E-03 VY= 3.027110022628067E-03 VZ=-2.263327688903255E-04

A Reminder Of Today’s Big Issue.

Our movement is about replacing a failed and corrupt political establishment with a new government controlled by you, the American People...Our campaign represents a true existential threat, like they’ve never seen before.

Then-Candidate Donald J. Trump

Needs to happen, soon.

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1. No food fights
2. No running with scissors.
3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
4. The first rule of gun safety: Don’t let the government take your guns.
5. The gun is always loaded.
5a. If you actually want the gun to be loaded, like because you’re checking out a bump in the night, then it’s empty.
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9. Social Justice Warriors, ANTIFA pukes, BLM hypocrites, and other assorted varieties of Marxists can go copulate with themselves, or if insufficiently limber, may substitute a rusty wire brush suitable for cleaning the bore of a twelve or ten gauge.

(Hmm a few extras seem to have crept in.)

Coin of The Day

No coin today.

But I told Grandma In TX that’s she’d hit a 1000 today [Friday], and that triggered someone to talk about a grand grandma, and I remembered something.

In 1890, the US issued “Treasury Notes” or “Coin Notes” in many denominations. This and 1891 were the only years they issued paper money of this specific category, The specific use was to pay for purchasing silver bullion (which, of course, would then be made into coins). You could redeem these notes, just like silver or gold certificates, but the government could decide whether it’d be in silver or gold coin. Every denomination available today was covered, $1, $2, $5, $10, $20, $50, $100, and there were also $500 and $1000 notes.

The ones issued in 1890 look very different from the 1891 notes, and are called “patternback” notes, for reasons you’ll soon understand. The $50 and $500 were not issued in 1890, so the patternback notes only exist for $1-$20, $100, and $1000 denominations.

This series features a lot of Civil War flag officers on it, many of them obscure to people who are not active Civil War buffs.

$1 Treasury or “Coin” Note of 1890, known as the “Patternback”
Portrait is of Edwin M. Stanton, Secretary of War (i.e., the Army) during the Civil War.

Note there is a very elaborate repeating pattern inside the denomination on the reverse; that’s why it’s called a patternback. (In heraldry, sometimes there’s an elaborate repeating background pattern in a coat of arms…it’s actually, I am not making this up, called “diaper” but presumably not in front of the knight whose coat of arms it was.)

Moving along, here’s the $2, $5, $10, and $20

Portrait of Civil War General James McPherson
Portrait of Civil War General George H. Thomas
Civil War General Phillip D. Sheridan
John Marshall, Secretary of State (1800-1801) then Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States (1801-1835)

Now there is a thing to know about these old “large size” (the size of one of those old computer cards) notes. They get extremely rare in some cases. Notes tended to wear out quickly and rapidly get redeemed, even if only for a newer note. If someone actually set aside twenty dollars back then, trying to save the note…well, they had more money than they knew what to do with; remember that was very close to being a full ounce of gold!

That $20 in VF-20 (the number is on a scale of 1-70) will set you back at least six thousand dollars, and that’s actually relatively affordable for an old $20. A silver certificate from 1878 or 1880 is simply impossible in such a grade (my book doesn’t list anything higher than F-12), later series get down to about the same range as this patternback.

The true nosebleed territory starts with the $50 denomination. There are literally notes where there are no known survivors. Others are marked “Extremely Rare” and “One known” and the book doesn’t even try to give a price. But as there isn’t a patternback $50, we’ll move on to the stratosphere now.

The $100 Patternback, also known as the “Watermelon”
Portrait is of Admiral David Farragut

The “big” denomination on this wasn’t spelled out like the others, and the pattern ended up resembling a watermelon on the two zeros, so this is known today as the watermelon note. And it will cost you a hundred…thousand…dollars in VF-20. The good news is, in EF-40 it “only” goes up to $170,000 instead of doubling or tripling like I’d usually expect. The book gives no price for higher grades.

Now I can at least see spending 6 or 8 grand on a collectible note…but a hundred thousand dollars? Thank you but no, I’d rather have a house!

Now on to the last note.

We skip over $500, since there was no patternback $500. (By the way, before we stopped printing $500 as federal reserve notes, they had McKinley on them. McKinley comes after Franklin. (And if you want to know: Grover Cleveland on the $1000, James Madison on the $5000, Salmon Chase on the $10,000 and Woodrow-be-damned Wilson on the $100,000.)

The Grand Watermelon
Portrait is of General George Meade

The One Thousand Dollar Patternback keeps the “melon” look of the C-note, and is called the Grand Watermelon.

My book calls these “extremely rare.” One in AU (about uncirculated, the numerical grade would be in the 50s) is the very first US note to sell for over a million dollars. There’s another variant with a small red seal overprint on the front, instead of the big brown one you see here; two are known to exist.

When a note is this rare, you don’t care about the fact that someone scribbled their name and a date (presumably 1893) on it!

So in honor of the Grand Grandma, here’s a Grand Watermelon.

And it’s 9:58 Mountain Time. Just barely made the deadline!!!

Standard disclaimer: I never show pictures of my own coins. I may or may not own coins like the ones I show. Burglars will be interested to hear that gold and silver aren’t the only heavy metals I have, and I have quite a bit of one with a heavier nucleus than either. And I keep it around a lot more than the gold and silver.

And a note to the other authors. Wikipedia URLs do paste into posts (select media style of paragraph via the plus sign, and use the option to paste in a URL). That’s how I did this Grand Watermelon picture–I noticed the option only after I had uploaded all of the pictures, having downloaded them from Wikipoo, and decided to give the alternate route a try with the Grand Watermelon. (I guess I wasted Wolf’s space.)

Obligatory PSAs and Reminders

Just two more things, my standard Public Service Announcements. We don’t want to forget them!!!

How Not To Find Yourself In Contention For The Darwin Award
(Nothing to do with bearded dragons)

It has been pointed out that all of the rioting is nominally on account of criminals who resisted arrest in one form or another, and someone suggested schools ought to teach people not to resist arrest.

Chris Rock on a similar vein, in 2007

Granted an “ass kicking” isn’t the same as being shot, but both can result from the same stupid act. You may ultimately beat the rap, but you aren’t going to avoid the ride.

China is Lower than Whale Shit

Remember Hong Kong!!! And remember the tens of millions who died under the “Great Helmsman” Chairman Mao.

I hope he’s doing OK!

中国是个混蛋 !!!
Zhōngguò shì gè hùndàn !!!
China is asshoe !!!

For my money the Great Helmsman is Hikaru Sulu (even if the actor is a dingbat).

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Sadie Slays

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Q told us the goal was to “remove foreign interference” and “install US-owned laws and safeguards.” The SCOTUS case was never going to do that. I’m not sure any single court case will (not holding my breath on the Kraken doing anything more than revealing the fraud to the public). Something to keep in mind moving forward so that we don’t get sidetracked. Will it accomplish the goals outlined above? No? Then don’t pin your hopes on it.

Meanwhile, we are 6 days away from the December 18th deadline on POTUS’ executive order regarding the investigation of foreign interference in elections. “Vaccine distribution” begins on December 14th with the military stationed in several cities to help aid with the distribution. “Vaccine distribution” is, IMO, likely cover for military presence in various cities without raising too much suspicion. Next week looks promising.

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In professional flight simulators, the world sucks. By that I mean, NOTHING ever goes right or the way it is “supposed to”. And this is by intent and design.

Everything is going ok and then BAM!

Alarm bells and caution lights…followed by about 30-60 seconds of trying to UNDERSTAND just WTF has happened, is happening, and will happen. Try to CORRECTLY interpret what all your instruments are telling you (because it is ALWAYS in bad weather, at night, where you can’t see…naturally).

Why is it happening? That’s for later. “WHY” doesn’t matter nearly as much as “WHAT” in that first minute or two.

Now, modern jets are complex beasts. Extremely complex. You have to be able to THINK. Recall all that you know. Emotions….particularly panic and defeatism…render the brain inoperable.

Hence the simulator.

Get thrown into the forge of a dire, complex flight simulation often enough, and one becomes PRACTICED at ignoring one’s FEELINGS of distress, panic, and defeatism. One learns there are always OPTIONS, something else to try.

We have a unwritten rule in aviation….

When an alarm bell sounds, hit the “cancel alarm” button, then take a sip of coffee.

RELAX!! Take a deep breath. Even better, say something funny like, “Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue!”. Humor is an INSTANT panic cancel button. It is the #1 reason why pilots are smartasses.

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Gotta be able to THINK without the distress. Show that cool hand, Luke.

Speaking of staying cool and thinking of options….here’s one…

What if…

POTUS “intervened”, after showing the Justices all the “goods”, by telling the them to reject the Texas case…due to matters of the national security?

And what would THAT imply?

Hmmmm. 🤔

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I’m not claiming this is true.

Just a possibility. A very delicious possibility.

As Sadie correctly points out….SCOTUS cannot fix what is truly wong. Yes, wong.

Think about that.

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What if the intervention is military in nature?


At this point it’s gonna have to be.

And my speculation above seems wrong, having seen one of PDJT’s tweets (below in the postings) which I had not seen when I made the post above.

Sadie Slays

I don’t think you’re wrong about white hats asking SCOTUS to decline the case. The whole thing seemed “off” from the start. The lawsuit comes out of nowhere less than a week ago, nearly every Republican jumps on board to support a case that helps POTUS (how often does this much of the GOP support POTUS?), the whole thing quickly turns into a circus with Ted Cruz (?) expected to argue the case and secessionist movements joining in to help…it was just weird. I don’t think a “serious” case, i.e. one that would genuinely secure a second term for the President, would get this kind of treatment.


Not to mention that, when THE PLAN was laid, RBG wasn’t dead.


Good point! Excellent. RBG wasn’t dead – they had to plan for all contingencies without SCOTUS!

This has been a plan in the making for years, not a month or two.


really good point


Remember his use of the word, “INTERVENING” – that was not the proper word choice. Joining or supporting, but intervening, no that meant something else…

Deplorable Patriot

NO, you’re right.

We don’t know what we don’t know about POTUS and the good guys’ plan, but we also don’t really know the OTHER side’s plan, and THAT is what is going to make the difference in how all this shakes out. Our side does know that.


Would he tell all the justices? I mean, who could he trust?


I’ve never thought that the SCOTUS would be shown anything special outside of the court. It would be prejudicial to show evidence outside of court, especially before any case is laid before them.


You shouldn’t show them anything outside of the court if it was meant to be part of their decision. I suspect you could show them whatever you wanted to induce them to punt the case.


Your comment is an OMGoodness for me, FG&Country. Was a little shook up, but not totally lost because I’ve long believed that the court stuff is on the surface more is going on behind the scenes.

Thank you for your insight and input.


What can happen over the weekend that will stop the Electoral College from voting 270 for Slow Joe?

I have no idea but something better happen to cause it.

(obscure EC fact – it only votes once. If no 270; off to the House)


I hate to say this out loud but Jorgenson (Libertarian Party candidate) is not the worst person to be POTUS (assuming they dump Trump). She sure as heck is better than Slow Joe & the Ho. I don’t know if she got any potential EC votes or not.

JW in Germany



i think in PA they took her name right off the ballot…


“What can happen over the weekend that will stop the Electoral College from voting 270 for Slow Joe?
I have no idea but something better happen to cause it.”


What if it’s supposed to happen, i.e., Pedo Joe is supposed to fraudulently become president-elect?

That would give America… and the whole world… more than a month to think about what it means, for it to really begin to settle into the mind.

And more than a month for the MSM to talk about removing Trump by force, giving him and his family the Quadafi treatment, bragging about all the NWO plans Biden was careful not to mention during the campaign but no longer has any reason to hide…

And all this drama taking place with Christmas right in the middle of it, so families all over the country have an opportunity to talk about it with each other.

Sounds like very exciting stuff…

Wouldn’t want to miss it! 😁


Uh, the damage that would be done in four years is too immense to contemplate. So, no, he ain’t gonna be sworn in.

Harry Lime

Being named president-elect and being sworn in are two completely different things. Biden will never be sworn in.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

And THAT was the plan all along.


Bait and switch. With Harris sworn in the fight against election fraud is turned into racist and misogynist. Black + women are where we are headed.

Isn’t Biden’s entire communications team women? Oprah started the ball rolling with her Own Your Vote specifically for black women. That Cynthia creature is warning us. They is going to get ugly…very ugly imo.

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Just reject their racial crap. The RACE-OBSESSED communists ARE the racists, and they can burn in hell.

Brave and Free

Totally agree Wolf, Camel lips couldn’t make it on her own. The primaries were just to clear the board for ole Hands on Joe. The act he’s been playing is coming to the final curtain when he has to bow out because of the 25th. Admin. Or they take him down because of Hunter/China ties. And I am sure they they assured him hunter and China wouldn’t matter. So now he becomes the sacrificial lamb.


maybe they promised him if he played along…neither he nor Hunter would be prosecuted.


I read that there is a Hunter email in which Camel-Uh is named as a participant in a Chinese deal. The NY Post reported it:

“An email sent by Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden’s brother Jim to Hunter Biden and others regarding a potential business venture with a now-bankrupt Chinese conglomerate included the name of Biden’s vice presidential running mate, Sen. Kamala Harris, according to a report.
The email, dated May 15, 2017, and obtained by Fox News, is not related to the laptop or hard drive belonging to Hunter Biden that was first reported on by The Post, according to the network.
In the correspondence, Jim Biden shares a list of “key domestic contacts for phase one target projects” for the venture with CEFC China Energy Co.”


I still don’t really get why the Post ran with this story. I can’t see them as helpful to our side, so why did they do it?


“At this rate, it’s more likely Harris will be sworn in.”


Trump is not going anywhere.

And that lunatic fraud who screwed her way to the VP candidate position is going to prison, not the WH.


I am so glad you posted about the Grand Conjunction coming up. I have been reading about it for days now. I am one of those who believes that God gives us signs in the heavens, and this conjunction between Jupiter and Saturn must have a meaning.

And the Grand Watermelon!! Those notes are absolutely gorgeous. Our history is so rich (pun intended).

You absolutely got the last, best word.

Oh, one last thing. My husband has been wanting a telescope. Do you have any suggestions for a beginner?

You know, I took an astronomy class in college and got an A. It was definitely physics. I don’t know how I pulled it off except to say I studied night and day for that class and had a great prof. That said, much of what you wrote went right over my head.  😄 


I am a math idiot. Geometry was a B, Algebra a D. I begged my college professor to pass me, as I had a 4.0 up until then. He was good enough to give me a C as a final grade. I attended every lecture, had a tutor, etc.

I think it’s a thing when you’re an English major. Hehehe.


Hey you know all that extra credit many college professors put at the beginning of their syllabuses ? Well in my college science classes, College Grrannie did them all and asked for more. Usually would squeak by with B+ or A- that way? LOL


I was always behind in math. Never could get it fast enough. I took a low level intro college astro course. The prof said i hope youre ready to work. He wasnt much of a help, but I worked hard for my C, when half the class dropped or failed.


When your boy gets to college, there’s a trick that I HEARTILY advocate.

It’s based on the fact that teaching Physics spends a LOT of time dancing around the fact that it’s supposed to start on High School students walking in the door with High School math skills.

So, even if you’re going to be a Physics major…..defer the entry-level courses by one quarter or one semester, but start the math track on Day 1. If you take Physics 1 at the same time as Calculus 1, you’ll only have the tools to understand the first half of the Physics course when you’re nearly done with the Math course. If, on the other hand, you take Physics 1 only after completing Calculus 1, it will be dirt easy and you’ll be wondering about the mental fitness of your classmates.


I could do simple derivatives after my “Math Analysis” course as a senior in High School.

Those of us who did, however, were forever branded on our report cards as having taken a course called “MATH ANAL” — which, of course, we all referred to as “ANAL MATH”, especially as regards the personality of the instructor.


i took every math and science class i could get in high school…lol…i even took taxicab geometry…
in college i also took astronomy, still have all my books and papers I wrote…I’m such a nerd sometimes…


to be honest, I skipped it…time is limited this morning, but when I come back tomorrow I will dive in!!
(and btw…it’s been a LONG time since high school…LOL)


Lol. Mr gil has done hard math and is better than me. I did take intro physics and had to study but I got a B. Lots of people didnt get it at all.


Math is a funny thing.

I was so good at Geometry in high school I did many-page proofs for extra credit and just for fun. I was so bad a Algebra I barely passed. Then I took the SATs, and my math teacher was furious! I had the sixth-highest math score in my class. If they showed me the possible answers, and I didn’t have to “show my work,” I could do it.

In college, I studied psych testing and measurement. I was so much better at the statistics part than the prof, he made the college hire me as a tutor for the class, as I was taking it. It was a first in the history of the school! Stats aren’t exactly “math,” but those numbers made sense to me.

I had to pass one Algebra class to graduate. The prof in that one was a foreigner of some Oriental flavor, and he thought I was cute, and he like me. I failed for sure, but he gave me a pity-D so I could graduate.

I have since realized I can do algebra, but I can’t do it “right” on paper. I can figure it out in my own weird way, but I can’t explain it.


My mom — a college professor of mathematics — informed me that there are three types of mathematicians on faculties: geometricians, analysts, and algebraists. They occur at about 5%, 45%, and 50%, respectively.




And, then, there’s the bumper sticker that says: “I are a math teechur.”

Sylvia Avery

That makes me feel better!  😄 

Sylvia Avery

It’s definitely a thing, gmit. If the guy who sat next to me in Alegbra hadn’t have had a crush on me, I’d still be sitting in that chair trying again and again and again to pass. Horrible. And really, does anyone need Algebra? I have lived a nice life without it.

Deplorable Patriot

Teaching algebra is NOT about math. Nor is geometry. It’s about teaching thought processes, and concepts like complementary and supplementary, variable, constant, etc.

My mother taught HS algebra for most of her career, and confirmed that when I said, I don’t find myself solving for x every day, but I do use the thought processes to get to conclusions.

That’s why she ALWAYS required her students to show their work in a proof.

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I agree completely, Sylvia. I find that reading and writing come before arithmetic for a reason. Wink. Wink.

Just kidding, Steve. 😁


I use it at work almost everyday and I’m a tradie…HVAC/R…air and water balancing.

Deplorable Patriot

My degree is in communications. I was fine in math until Calculus II and volumes of a revolution. Just couldn’t get the problems to work.

The easiest class I ever took was trigonometry.

And I’m a writer, and happiest when creating text and craft items.


You are rare, DP. Trust me. 😁


My (two Master’s in Engineering) dad tried to teach me trig when I was in fourth grade. Absolute failure. I took an Algebra II/Trig course in 10th grade and we ran out of time before we really took on the trig. Then I learned the analytic geometry version of trig and said, “WHY DIDN’T YOU TELL ME THIS SOONER??? THIS IS EASY!!!”

And in case you never met it — Start with a circle of radius 1 centered on “graph paper” at (0,0). Starting at the RH side of the x axis, draw a line from the origin through the circle. The angle between that line and the x axis is theta. The point where the line intersects the circle is (cos(theta), sin(theta)). Everything falls apart after that — sin(theta)^2 + cos(theta)^2 = 1, because the circle has a radius of 1 [Pythagoras helps]. There’s one more — tan(theta) = sin(theta)/cos(theta), but that’s nomenclature.


Seriously, my dad was doing “opposite over adjacent” and I was going WTAF??? (additional word: “absolute”).

Thank God for Rene Descartes.


Funny, I could do Algebra but not Geometry. I cannot visualize the 3D stuff.
But now give me books and words – that’s my joy.


We are fearfully and wonderfully made. 😂


Thank you. Will check it out. I know they are expensive but where I live there is very little light pollution and the viewing is just magnificent. We want something to do with the grandkids as they get older.


Okay. I’m going to enjoy shopping. I’m really good with math when it comes to that. 🙂


I think we will start with the 4-6 inch range, as you suggested. I have a couple good astronomy books for kids. The moon, planets, and constellations should keep us all busy.

Again, so glad you wrote about this. It has been on my mind for weeks now.


My brother-in-law is an astrophysicist. But he chose the financial world. I wonder if he ever regrets it. Probably not.


You’re gonna laugh, but my Dad went to college in Boulder. He played basketball.


Way beyond me. I’ve always wanted a brain like that, though.


All engineering degrees require serious discipline and study….but I think biochem has you beat in “ball-busting”.

There’s very little you can do in electrical engineering that will make half the campus into a superfund site. And biochem means that it can reproduce and spread.


My niece is a newly-minted Pharmacist. MD’s just prescribe the gorp — pharmacists know what it does at a molecular level. I am inordinately proud of her.


My niece went through a program at Oregon State that merged an undergrad and master’s program in an intense integrated plan. Nice if you could qualify. My understanding is that she’s essentially got a Master’s in biochem, with a minor in law (*spit*). Of course, the most important part is that she’s a licensed Pharmacist.

It’s kind of odd to have known someone as a somewhat goofy little girl and know that she’s the sharpest knife in the drawer when it comes to medications — and, BTW, she isn’t faking anything.


Nuclear engineering can make the whole campus glow in the dark quite readily.


My friend, Yuki, just retired as an electrical engineer in Japan (went to the top-rated school there.) I wonder how different it is between US and Japan.
His entire career was with Honda’s Rx& D.
His wife was a chemical engineer.
Both are extremely talented musicians…coincide or a connection between engineering and music?

Sylvia Avery

Maybe we could trade our lawyers for their engineers?

Deplorable Patriot

Math and music are intimately entwined. It has to do with meter. I know people who are TERRIBLE at math and can’t hold a beat. It’s a real issue.


I can hold a beat, but honestly, it has to be Irish jigs. 😂


What?!? Just because they do away with the whole equatorial / altazimuth mount BS? I’d rather handle that in software than in hardware.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Orienteering with a GPS device sounds equally cheaty!


And, yet, you run Stellarium (as I do — and I’ve got it loaded for bear — and then I step outside and can barely find Mars….did you know Orion only has seven stars?) *sigh*


My favorite constellation.


Just as long as the ionizing radiation from the blast doesn’t sterilize one hemisphere.


Do supernovae radiate in all directions, or on an axis?


The problem is that nobody knows.


Like a pulsar?


Our ancestors were amazingly adept at knowing the night skies long before telescopes. That is my goal…to know the skies as they did, but with a little magnification.


This is true. But just now I am seeking a connection with our past.


My oldest grandchild is 8. I’m at the ground floor. 😁

Sylvia Avery

“But you will not know what makes the stars shine, and the planets move in their courses.”

I like that. It’s a beautiful sentence. Way to go, Science Boy.😊😊😊👍


An equatorial mount is a swivel on top of a tilting table, usually with a counterweight on the other side of the table.

You set the table to be at the angle your desired object moves across the sky (the moon, for instance, will appear to rise in the east and move in an arc somewhat south of overhead, then set in the west). If you get the table tilted correctly, you can track the desired object across the sky using only a single control for the swivel.

As Steve notes in his discussion about the third dimension of orbits, each of the planets has its own tilt, the moon has its own tilt, and all the stars have a different tilt.

Altazimuth mounts are simply a flat rotation to something from north, then a height from flat to straight-up. To track an object, like the moon, both controls must be continuously adjusted. This generally means you want to have a computer do it because it’s a pain-in-the-tuchis.


What do you think/”hear about” Celestron?

JW in Germany

Same is true with HiFi speakers and equipment. People think they know HiFi…until they have heard HiFi…”but budget will be a concern.”

JW in Germany

Love the B&W sound. Have not heard the 808s…I am sure they are terrific.

I got a great deal on KEF LS50 Wireless a couple of years ago…great bang for the buck….widely appraised around the globe. At the time, they were running 2,300€ for the pair…I picked up for 1,700€. Now, you can get them for 1,200€ because the LS50 II is now on the market.

Mostly I do not use a subwoofer. But, for the occasional bass intensive media, I added a KEF subwoofer sold at 2,700€ for only 800€…knowing that a new model was coming and that prices would drop for the old model. I was really proud of that buy…had to do some negotiating! “I know you need space on the shelf for the new model.”

The day I picked up the speakers, I got along well with the Italian salesman who happened to be a big America fan. He let me test run a pair of 40,000€ Wilson Audio Sasha speakers hooked up to 4 amplifiers, 2 DACs, and a very expensive CD player…system total about 150,000€. OMG!!! The hair was standing on my arms…it was an out of body experience. LOL!


I’m a fan of 80’s-era Infinity. EMIT tweeters. I’ve had to re-foam the cones on a couple of mine (have several pairs).


The funny thing about Infinity was how it made Yamaha speakers (even “monitors”) sound like crap and how a bunch of others sounded muddy, particularly in the bass. Infinity speakers, to me, sounded crisp and clean throughout the audio spectrum. And then they got bought. And then they turned to crap. I don’t know who I’d buy today, but with ebay and other sources, I can still get antique Infinity’s.


GIT, I wanted to tell you how much your post was perfect yesterday. Your insight and knowledge – incredible. It was a crazy day, lots of angst and disappointment, but by night’s end, the boat seemed to have steadied.

You are so gifted. 🙂


Not gifted. Just listened to the still, small voice for once. But thank you. That means a lot to me. ❤🤍💙


Interesting and fascinating daily, thank you!  😊 

I had a funny thought while reading it. Not sure it will sound as funny in type as it did in my mind…

Satan and his minions raised hell in heaven thinking they were above God and they got their butts booted out of heaven. Now they’re hanging out with the human elitist crooks on earth raising hell.

One fallen angel looks over at his buddy and says, “We gave up heaven to torment these idiots? Please fast forward me to hell, even I can’t tolerate this much stupidity twice in one eternity!”


I don’t know anything about paganism, Saturn, the Titans or Greek mythology. Was just a funny image I had while transferring from yesterdays thread to todays.  😊 


I’m not sure how I would get Christianity mixed up with paganism when I was referencing Satan and the Bible.  😊 


Enceladus sounds like something off a fancy menu. “Beefsteak au poivre with haricot verts and Enceladus.”


Wow — two great essays, Steve!
 😀  👍 
Thank you.

Looking forward to the upcoming alignment.

Does the earth’s ‘wobble’ have any bearing on our view of alignments such as this?
That’s a 20,000 year cycle…or is it 26k, which my foggy brain is pinging me about.

And I love the not-coin report on our historical paper money.


I have 2 or 3-should go check the box $2 bills. Sometimes I bring them out because there people who don’t believe that there were $2 bills, even some adults close to my age.


Remember back in the 70s when they put out the new silver dollarr. Can’t remember which one, it was 1975 or 1976 when it happened. If I rememver there was something unusual about it too,
Some lady brought a 75 cent item and gave them one of the new silver dollars. The clerk kept telling her she neeeded 25 cents more. LOL My ex finally stepped in and explained to the clerk. Seemed that was all the cash the lady had.


Might have been 79–Do know we were in Salt Lake. Remember we were giggling about it at first. Now that you mention it it had just come out so it might have been the Susan B one.
Trying to remember how old my kids were on that last trip to Yellowstone area. Hey that was over 40 years ago LOL.
Even though I don’t remember the exact years, it fun remembering those fun times.


1976 would be the Bi-centennial coins.
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You are by far the resident expert on $$$


Was it the Bi-centennial coins?
I still have some Bi-centennial quarters.


What surprised me about money when I visited canada 20 yrs ago…..
Loonies ($1) and Toonies ($2) coins.


Ah, okay…I see what you mean.

And yes, it made sense.


Ha…26,000 years.
So my foggy brain was right.

It makes my head hurt if I think about it too much.

Our method of time-keeping is based on our own planet…and it works for us.

But what about other planets?
Their time-keeping would be different from ours, if they based it on the same things that we base ours on…wouldn’t it?

And out in space…
Do we export our own method of time-keeping when we get out away from our planet?
I guess we would need to.


I had a period in college where I disconnected from daylight and lived on 28-hour days with 9 hours of sleep. It’s quite odd waking up when it’s dark outside and wondering if anything is open. It also screws up your days because there are only six in a week.


Welcome to the world of flying cargo.

I know guys been living this lifestyle for decades.

Every single one of them has health issues.

This is why I don’t fly for Fed Rx and UPeesX.


It’s kinda freaky — some day I might actually be on one of your flights….and not even know it.


OK Steve, I have a Masters in Special Education–
Guess I think I know why you now are way way over my head LOL

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

This “trick” of star reference vs. Sun reference is used by the “flat Earth, anti-NASA” trolls (probably ChiComs and caballies) on Gab to discredit NASA to conservatives. I don’t remember exactly how their “argument” works, but their ultimate position is to take us back to a geocentric view, discrediting heliocentrism. CRAFTY.


I looked at some of those flat earthers a couple – three years ago, posts and videos, and I think they are just flat out nut jobs.


I do remember one showing up, vaguely. I think I rolled my eyes and passed on by.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Many of them are, but I think that some of them are very skilled and very evil pied pipers. Somebody who knows what they are doing is creating these deceptive memes. I think it’s Chinese scientists.


Possibly. There were a bunch of them on 8 chan for a while, and I got curious. I think some of them are “druids”, some of them just uneducated people, and some are wanna be cult leaders and those would be the pied pipers.


Brought this from the 11th since I posted it just a few minutes ago.
All you Oregonians might want to take a peek at Gov Brown’s crap here and there.
Today Governor Kate Brown announced that she will open Oregon back up when 75% of Oregonians are vaccinated.
One commentator mention that “At 10,000 people a day it will take 10 months for single dose for 3 million people (75% of Oregon). The vaccine is a double dose and no one knows the availability so looking like 2022 at this point before reopen and that’s doubtful to get 75% because 40% of whites and 60% of minorities do not trust the vaccine.Basically you have killed Oregon small businesses today.”
If Biden is sworn in then I have a feeling Biden people will make the same mandate, with or without Congressional approval.
Thank God, I’m allergic to so many many meds, cause that means I can probably get legally exempted. Damn, I didn’t even realize it was a double dose piece of crap vaccine!!
FYI I have a feeling that many of the other dictatorial governors will be saying the same.

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That’s what concerns me, re the governors.

bflyjesusgrl 🍊 😎NUCLEAR MAGA😎

Governor Abbott announced it will be shipped to Texas the week of the 21st and available to people on the 28th. It’s being sent to CVS and Walgreens. Over 2,000 LTC and 1200 skilled nursing facilities have already signed up statewide. It is free to residents and staff who volunteer to participate.

Deplorable Patriot

I put this on yesterday’s daily. This is turning out to be a FF of global proportions:

This year of COVID crap is starting to remind me of 9-11 in the “how many objectives can be achieved with this” department.

  1. Create fear and panic to get Americans to give up yet MORE of their freedoms
  2. Reduce the battle of good vs. evil by keeping those on the good side of the supernatural fight from worshiping the entity (God) on their side
  3. Isolate people via masks, social distancing and guest limits to keep them from talking. Same with work from home, no school, no social events
  4. Get the population used to prisonesque measures that tend to control people forced to comply with them
  5. Use propaganda to suppress an affordable and truly safe cure while touting the only way out of this mess is a vaccine/vaccines rushed to market and shown to produce debilitating side effects and the elimination of future generations.
  6. Kill entrepreneurship and small business ownership
  7. Push all commerce to large chains for enrichment, and getting the people used to tolerating cheap crap for all consumer goods
  8. Bankrupt as many people as possible thus forcing them to the dole and the beginning of dependence on government

To wit:

Man, I’d love to see the executive summary of this diabolical plan currently being tried.


this is only one of the articles I found on Totalitarian government when I was making sure I was spelling Totalitarian right! Kind of scary when you look at it. The Seven-Step Path from Pandemic to TotalitarianismThere are just seven steps from pandemic declaration to permanent totalitarianism – and many jurisdictions are about to start Step 5 https://www.globalresearch.ca/seven-step-path-pandemic-totalitarianism/5710593


Unfortunately, the Bay Area of California has so much light pollution that observing the Heavens at any reasonable level of detail is usually impossible.


Tonight I am just to stressed and tired out, but maybe tomorrow since I now live in the Boonies ..



Well, I guess that negates my idea that POTUS told the SC to reject the Texas case.


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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Or it’s great cover!  😉 

Seriously, at this point, I’m not sure what’s going on.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yes, this is a serious possibility – that everything has just been a huge ruse to “defuse the Trump situation”.

Although arresting Biden as he is about to be sworn in, on national television, would be awesome.

The communists have been very good at demoralizing us, all along the way. But Trump has always been truthful, too.

So my best reading of what just happened, is that Trump had hoped the Court would recognize an opportunity for greatness, and thereby secure a peaceful outcome as a lucky byproduct of historic law, but they did not. IMO this is “battered court syndrome”.


JMHO–WIthout having done even one arrest of a Democrat, I think any arrest now would be easily spun by the Media and Democrats as Trump being a sore loser, H3LL, I think there could be a video of some Democrat doing the most horrendous crime ever and people would say Trump is just pissed because he lost.


“I think if this isn’t done through legal process, we’re boned.”


How do you do it through legal process, if the legal processors are corrupt?

“If Trump invokes martial law, 40 percent of the population will be convinced it’s because Trump was a sore loser who didn’t want to step down.”


When the truth comes out, the hateful Left will be exposed for the fascist nazis they truly are, and there won’t be any credible argument against it.

Nobody can change what anyone believes. So just like the nazis and nazi sympathizers after WWII, the TDS Left can believe whatever they want.

And they can also live in fear of opening their mouths in public about their beliefs ever again, just like the nazis — or get the treatment they deserve for revealing their nazi collaborator past.


“You seem to imagine that having the actual truth on one’s side makes one invincible when the fighting starts.”


What fighting?

When all the idols of the Left are brought low and treated with the roughness they so richly deserve, followed by public executions, who is going to beat their chest in the public square and stand up for them, or challenge anyone?

How many Hitler loyalists did that in the public square after WWII ended?

And if any did, what was their fate?

Did they escape the public square with their lives, or did they die right there, at the hands of the public?


executions in a month? the left will scream POTUS is a dictator…they won’t show truth…they will show brutality and convince their minions he is evil…


“executions in a month? the left will scream POTUS is a dictator…”


So what?

They do that anyway, don’t they?

The Left couldn’t care less what we think, about anything. Why should we care — at all — what they think?

I never understand that.


“they won’t show truth…they will show brutality and convince their minions he is evil…”


Under the current system, where the MSM is a 5th column propaganda weapon doing the bidding of foreign enemies, it is very accurate to say they won’t show truth.

But that 5th column will no longer exist, when the Cabal is exposed and defeated.

One aspect of the ‘great awakening’ needs to be a true understanding that they are the few, and we are the many.

In large part, the few have controlled the many via the MSM, through propaganda, Potemkin villages, psychological warfare, gaslighting, all of which amounts to mind-control.

When Cabal is defeated, that model goes with it.

But in the meantime, we should practice not caring at all what the Left thinks, about anything, ever again.

It’s actually a lot of fun, if you try it 😁

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Regardless of what anyone tries to tell me–Truth always wins in the long run.
Luke 8:17

“For nothing is hidden that will not be made manifest, nor is anything secret that will not be known and come to light.”


Left supporters are already convinced that Trump is a Hitler re-incarnated .
This is what surprises me the most everything the left has done they have been trying to pin on Trump. Every thing the left is they are saying Trump is.

What kind of F………….. crap in the water that the left drinks. All they have to do it look and see by actual words and deeds who are the people trying to take America into a Totalitarian path. Damn I look up to make sure I was spelling Totalitarian right and there are a slew of articles on– Is the United States on a Path to Totalitarianism?https://endtimeheadlines.org/2020/10/is-the-united-states-on-a-path-to-totalitarianism/

The Seven-Step Path from Pandemic to Totalitarianism https://www.globalresearch.ca/seven-step-path-pandemic-totalitarianism/5710593

OK with that I’m out of here before I discover any more things to crap up my head with,

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how DOES it get out tho Scott?
the media will twist and turn everything…

it will be an uphill battle…sigh…


“how DOES it [the truth] get out tho Scott?
the media will twist and turn everything…”


Well, what is stopping the truth from getting out NOW?

The MSM.

Has the MSM not been completely exposed as literally fake news, literally a propaganda arm of the same people attempting to overthrow our Republic, the same people actively involved in the 4+ year ongoing coup attempt?

When Trump finally drops the hammer and exposes the truth about what has been going on, that is most definitely going to include the MSM.

Imagine how different the MSM would be, if the 100+ known collaborators, suspected of being under sealed indictment, where removed from the MSM and put in prison?

And the heads of all six multinational corporatoins who own 90+ percent of all media?

And the people who run those companies, like Jeff Zucker, caught on daily teleconference recordings by Project Veritas, conspiring against the truth in every conceivable way?

Gut the entire MSM, from Jonah Goldberg to Anderson Cooper (Cooper Anderson? I always forget which it is) and everyone in between.

Then break up the MSM monopoly control by the six giant multinationals, the same way they busted the oil barons, and Ma Bell, and hopefully big tech.

When we stop thinking of the MSM as ‘the press’, and start thinking of the MSM as what it is — literally an enemy combatant — the MSM as we know it will cease to exist when the Cabal is ended.

In about a month from now, or less 😁

The truth will have a much easier time getting out, when there are a lot more people trying to tell it, and no conglomerate MSM control over a propaganda narrative that suffocates truth and promotes lies 24/7/365.

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“JMHO–WIthout having done even one arrest of a Democrat, I think any arrest now would be easily spun by the Media and Democrats as Trump being a sore loser, H3LL, I think there could be a video of some Democrat doing the most horrendous crime ever and people would say Trump is just pissed because he lost.”


That becomes a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy, paralyzing us from ever taking action.

It becomes our reason to never do anything, for fear of what our oppressors might think.

The time is rapidly approaching when the model is going to flip.

It is our oppressors who will be afraid of what we think.

There will be a period of adjustment for many, on both sides of that coin, as the paradigm shifts.


If Q was bogus, PDJT would have put that down like a rabid dog.

He hasn’t, and Flynn CLEARLY supports Q.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Q can be “real”, and yet its pacification aspects pushed to “over-success” as part of CCP-DNC strategy.

They just needed to get through to their virus, their mail-out ballots, and their stolen election.

We haven’t lost. But it’s going to be messy and ugly.

What I find shocking is how treasonous the FBI is. I mean, I’m really shocked.


Consider this…

Swalwell was a candidate for President, just like Biden.

The FBI is supposed to do background checks on All Candidates for the Presidency.
And during the primaries.

So how in the hell did it slip past the FBI, that both Swalwell and Biden were in bed with the ChiComs?!


Good question.

It would get passed up the line, I would imagine.
And…hmm…maybe it did!


I would think that National Security would trump that.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Their definition of national security is much, much different from ours.

“Is China OK with it? No conflict? It’s OK, then! No national security concerns!”

These people are dupes. They can’t think. They’re brainwashed.

Sylvia Avery

Shout it from the rooftops wo we don’t take him seriously.

But what if they are so inept they didn’t find anything?

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Not inept. CORRUPT!

Sylvia Avery

Yes, you’re right. Corrupt. Every last one of them.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Dodge and FIB are worthless. They investigate GARAGE PULLS.

Sylvia Avery

OMG Wheatie, excellent point. I’d already forgotten that Fang Fang’s boy toy ran for President. Oh….


Yes. I have had those thoughts. The depth of diabolism if so is almost unthinkable.


“Q can be “real”, and yet its pacification aspects pushed to “over-success” as part of CCP-DNC strategy.
They just needed to get through to their virus, their mail-out ballots, and their stolen election.”


But that violates the original argument that Q cannot be a friendly but independent psy-op, much less an enemy psy-op.

If it was a friendly but independent psy-op, the Trump administration would be forced to disown it and sue whoever it is to stop representing themselves as part of the administration.

Because no administration can afford to have people representing themselves as part of the administration, even people friendly to the administration’s cause, if they are not, in fact, part of the administration.

That goes triple for a hostile psy-op.

Whether friendly or secretly hostile, the Trump administration would have to repudiate it.

And not even taking any of the above into account, if Q was an enemy construct, why would Trump allow the CCP to manipulate millions of Trump’s supporters into ‘pacification’, ostensibly preventing “us” from standing up when DJT needs us to?

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Nope. Erroneous logic assuming infallibility of a legitimate, “owned”, official psy-op.

The op can be everything you require of it, but it can suffer losses or diminishments, because no plan survives contact with the enemy.


“Nope. Erroneous logic assuming infallibility of a legitimate, “owned”, official psy-op.”


I don’t understand what you mean.

No one has even tried to defeat that argument before.

What is the flaw in the logic?

I did not assume any infallibility. The argument, essentially, is that Q could only be one of three things (with anything else being a derivative of those three things):

  1. a friendly but independent psy-op
  2. a hostile psy-op masquerading as a friendly psy-op
  3. exactly what Q claims to be, part of the administration.

The purpose of the argument, basically, is not to prove #3 (which can’t be proven directly), but to prove that #1 and #2 are not possible.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

It is your third option. Just because Q is the third option, does not mean that it plays a game and obtains the best outcome on every move or set of moves. It plays games with a real enemy – the Chinese military, assisted by Democrats. Sometimes they perform better than we would hope.

There is a logical fallacy that a significant minority of targeted Q “followers” believe, which is a known goal of the psy-op (IMO). Those controlled followers believe the Q plan foresaw everything, is infallible, and has anticipated every enemy move perfectly.

They need to believe that, and it is sufficiently close to true, that it is not harmful and even beneficial for them to believe it. But the plan is not perfect, and needs “down-siders” who also look for defects in the plan, or places where the enemy has made headway.

It’s a game, like chess. There are losses. We don’t dwell on them, but we learn from them, and better still, leverage them.


Thank you for the explanation, I understand what you meant now 👍

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Thanks! My original statement was rushed and not that clear. A significant topic merely addressed as an aside. Q’s legitimate pacification purposes – to not give the left any excuses as we concentrate on being DIGITAL warriors and not dopey bugagoo bois – has all sorts of downstream effects that the other side smartly takes advantage of, as they then play whatever downside we present THEM with, for all it’s worth. Thus, we don’t think in terms of fighting back in the physical world, yet that may become necessary. We lose faith in our REAL abilities which would frankly crush these commies like bugs on day one – we grow fearful of the enemy’s actual minimal power, and lack faith in our own mighty but restrained power.

This is why we need gun-cleaning night, or better still “camera-cleaning night”, and a good look at the enemy.

I will be talking about THAT soon. 😎