DEAR MAGA: TGIF Open Thread 20230120

Dark N’ Stormy

INGREDIENTS

  • 1/2 oz Lime Juice
  • 2 oz Gosling Black Seal Rum (Black Rum)
  • 5 oz Ginger Beer

DIRECTIONS

  • Add ice to the serving glass. Combine all the ingredients in the serving glass.
  • Give the drink a couple turns to chill and mix.

Apparently, this is a popular drink in Jamaica.

Prominent pro-abortion leftists made me pro-life

Staying Motivated During the Great Awakening

Mutiny erupts among WEF staff over role of ‘Mr Davos’

The Dawn of Stakeholder Geopolitics

Ratings Implosion: CNN’s Entire Primetime Lineup Fails to Equal the Audience of One Fox Program

[INSERT MANIACAL LAUGHTER HERE]

After a Long Drive Toward a Dead End, We Have Reached It (part one)

Play Long (part two)

Canada launches drastic new ‘alcohol guidance’ rules

Oh, yeah, THAT’s going to go over well up north, eh.

Tucker Carlson does a masterful takedown of WEF covering up evidence of its terrible track record of advice

Black Horse, Black Earth, and BlackRock

It Is Time to End the Pandemic Emergency

If you thought the Twitter Files were as bad as it gets for the “Trust & Safety” of Big Tech merging with government, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet.

The mob comes for Madison

Why Sweden and Finland still haven’t joined NATO

Church of England Bishops Refuse to Allow Same-Sex Marriages

Good for them.

The strange death of Clarkson’s England

Rep. Gaetz introduces bill to abolish the ATF

Really, Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms should be the name of a convenience store here in the USA.

Could a national sales tax grease the economy and raise incomes by 10% — but hurt the middle class? Experts explain how the Republican plan to scrap the IRS and income tax would impact you

These are the House GOP power players in the 118th Congress

Post-Roe, Why We Still March for Life

How Do You Remove a POTUS?

Dealing with your brainwashed friends and family

Surprise! The Supreme Court “Investigation” That Was Designed to Fail to Identify the Dobbs Leaker Has Successfully Failed to Identify the Dobbs Leaker

During Remarks at World Economic Forum FBI Director Chris Wray Talks About Success in Combatting Pre-Criminal Activity

From the front lines in a hospital:

A nurse speaks out

Tweety Tweets:

Who wants to see that?

This one is two years old, but it needs repeating:

We’ll take victories where ever we find them. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

They’re not going to stop until they’ve sucked all the joy out of life.

It’s not just him.

MEME STASH:

Ah, the memories.

As long as the power doesn’t go out, sure.

RIP David Crosby.

And now for the business portion of the post borrowed from Tuesday:

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HEBREWS 8:6-13

6But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry which is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises. 7For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion for a second. 8For he finds fault with them when he says: “The days will come, says the Lord, when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israeland with the house of Judah; 9not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the handto lead them out of the land of Egypt;for they did not continue in my covenant, and so I paid no heed to them, says the Lord. 10This is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord:I will put my laws into their minds, and write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 11And they shall not teach every one his fellowor every one his brother, saying, `Know the Lord, ‘for all shall know me, from the least of them to the greatest. 12For I will be merciful toward their iniquities, and I will remember their sins no more.” 13In speaking of a new covenant he treats the first as obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

SATIRE!

Have a good weekend!

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cthulhu

Great post!!! I even know what day of the week it is!

Barb Meier

The Babylon Bee and Al Gore are increasing your fame, cthulhu!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Our enemies are very sneaky. They just keyed off of this comment to try to use “fake cthulhu” accounts to get in. Indeed, it may have actually been an AI tactic.

Valerie Curren

Glad you can continually see behind the curtain!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Another great pair of tweets. Chris Elias is one of the people on emails with Fauci.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

The article by Kyle Becker is fantastic, and explains how the Fauci-created animal origin hypothesis was debunked.

https://beckernews.com/bombshell-fauci-emails-49124/

TheseTruths

Looks as if the “scientists” followed their own inclinations rather than looking at the science.

Gail Combs

“The Scientists’ knew damned well THEIR HANDS WERE DIRTY and were trying to hid the trail leading straight back to Fauci et al.

TheseTruths

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TheseTruths

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pgroup2

Found the fly!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

LOL! Yup. The “accessories” are all there!

nikkichico7

Score‼️ … 2 points 🏒

para59r

Grrrr… missed the fly again.
Only saw the bra, lap top, crack pipe, bong and is that yellow sling shot or a thong above the sippy cup?

Gail Combs

The fly is above the hood of the car.

TheseTruths

This one strikes me as macabre. Unfortunately, it is true for so many.

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

It’s pretty intense. I hope that we can figure this out. I’m spending a lot of time reading right now, trying to understand what’s happening with the vaccines – what they’re doing to people.

TheseTruths

Great! We will benefit from your research.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

It’s rough. I’m understanding what the Stalinists were up to, and it is seductive logic. They did not have our permission to do what they did.

Thankfully, I think their crime and our busting it will together provide the best solution!

Aubergine

I think that the goal was to break down the human immune system and allow every antagonist to that system free rein to kill people.

It would “look” like people were dying from various illnesses and diseases like strokes, heart attacks, and cancers, but the root cause is the vaxx.

That was the goal, but we are smart enough to see through it.

That’s my two cents, for what said cents are worth.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I think that’s definitely part of what they were up to.

Think of it this way. “The road to hell is paved with good intentions.”

Part of the reason we can’t convince people about people committing the “road to hell” part, is that they can’t imagine people would do it. But once you see the “good intentions” part, it becomes thinkable.

The trouble THEN, is that the ant poison IS sweet. As we expose more people to it, and say “Look out! It’s ant poison”, a lot of people will go “yeah, but it’s sweet!”

DUH.  🙄 

That Sam Harris guy is likely to be one of them. I find myself having to pull myself back, and say “this shit killed real people. It’s horrible.” Like what you said about “stolen gifts”. It’s real. People are now failing to tell the truth. MONEY is going to make people shut up. (TWO HANDS HEART SYMBOL).

We have to be honest about things. It’s a superpower, but it’s not ours. It’s the Holy Spirit. The REAL Holy Spirit. The Spirit of Truth.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

This is a shame.

I’ve found Sam Harris to be generally rational when he is addressing religious nuttery, and unlike many on the Left he doesn’t simply excuse Islam simply because Islam is “non Western”. (Actually in terms of religion it is a Western religion…contrast it with Buddhism and Hinduism.) He unblinkingly points to the harm Islam causes.

[His proposed alternative to a religiously based morality, however, is fundamentally flawed; he simply asserts a basis for morality without in any way demonstrating that it’s objectively true. But even by his lights that cannot possibly be an improvement over (as he conceives it) arbitrary assertions in the Bible as the basis of morality.]

But it sounds like he’s suffering from a common syndrome. Having put his trust in an institution (medical science as practiced today), he won’t accept that the trust was misplaced.

This isn’t just a “leftist” thing. How many conservatives have had to be dragged through the realization that the Republican party wasn’t just spineless but actively working against them?

Gail Combs

We have been INTENTIONALLY side tracked with work, worry about finances, bread & circuses and deliberate sabotage of our educational system to make us ‘Ignorant and Compliaint’ as Bill Ivey wrote to Podesta.

It is really amazing that as many people woke up as we have seen.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

YES! Especially this:

But it sounds like he’s suffering from a common syndrome. Having put his trust in an institution (medical science as practiced today), he won’t accept that the trust was misplaced.

Truth itself has to be trusted over institutions we trust, because those institutions can fail and be wrong.

Valerie Curren

[His proposed alternative to a religiously based morality, however, is fundamentally flawed; he simply asserts a basis for morality without in any way demonstrating that it’s objectively true. But even by his lights that cannot possibly be an improvement over (as he conceives it) arbitrary assertions in the Bible as the basis of morality.]”

I’m genuinely curious as to what ???-based morality you subscribe, since you appear to be a fellow traveler with so many here who likely (at least loosely) subscribe to biblically-based morality to at least some degree…

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

That would be a LONG LONG explanation.

There’s an old trope in (secular) philosophy that you can’t go from an “is” to an “ought.” In other words you can’t go from a physically observed fact (the “is”) to determining what we “ought” to do or not do (morality).

The first step to get around this (perceived) impossibility is to step back a bit, and define *why* a moral code is even necessary to us in the first place.

Valerie Curren

I’m Always interested in Your insights on such matters…

scott467

“Think of it this way. “The road to hell is paved with good intentions.”

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It’s unfortunate that I cannot attribute good intentions to anyone involved.

Not Fauxi, not Baric, not Tedros, not Bourla, not a single WEF-groomed national leader, not a single Big Pharma-groomed congress-critter, not a single doctor who took financial incentives to push clot-shots, ventilators and Remdesivir, while denying known therapies like HCQ and anti-virals like IVM.

Where money (or job preservation) or power influenced conduct, “good intentions” is a non-starter.

holly08

This story is interesting in that it goes into detail about what happened to this guy’s heart muscle. It’s on the msn homepage news feed.

I think by publicizing the details they’re trying to normalize this type of medical event in case the person lives.

Marc Overmars suffers irreparable damage after heart attack with part of muscle dying (msn.com)

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yes. They’re ignoring WHY the person had a heart attack, and it’s WORKING.

WE need to push past the media exit.

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Aubergine

What I think it is going to take is some of the most famous victims of vaxx injury to come out and say loudly that’s what did it.

Somebody has to be first, then all the dominoes will fall.

kalbokalbs

Hamlin COULD be a great start.

We’ll see if Hamlin continues taking a knee to the NFL, BB (or whoever Hamlin, PREVIOUSLY played for) AND MONEY.

Gingersmom2009

He’s “in the building” “almost every day” “sticking his toe in”, according to Sean McDermott.

No selfies, laughter, smiles and high fiving, and not a single second of video – in an environment of excited young people, who live on their phones, with cameras.

Yeah, that sounds likely.

pgroup2

They don’t want people to see him with an oxygen line.

Gingersmom2009

Yes.

TakeBackOurRepublic

And a cardiac shock vest that he has to wear fulltime

Aubergine

I hope and pray he wakes up.

TheseTruths

Yes. I doubt that he’s had any clue about vax injuries before now. It could take a while, especially if he is being influenced in the other direction.

Aubergine

True.

RF121

Once the team starts up for Spring training sessions and he is not medically cleared, then maybe he will realize what his status is. For now, I am sure they have been blowing smoke up his butt to get them through their playoff run. No distractions now.

Aubergine

Yeah.

scott467

Has there ever been anyone who had a massive heart attack, on or off the football field, and ever came back to play again?

I mean, are we a thousand miles into fantasy land already, or is that the exit just ahead?

scott467

“I hope and pray he wakes up.”

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Maybe after the money is rolling in from the death-bed licensing deals?

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

This is why they jumped so hard on the Damar case!!!

Aubergine

Yes, sir. Exactly so.

RDS
Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Very solid science. This link needs to be posted EARLY and OFTEN on any suspected jab death on Twitter.

Charlie

Would they give a heart transplant to someone who is jabbed?

TakeBackOurRepublic

Yes, my 55 year old cousin who is double jabbed and probably boosted had a heart transplant in Houston Texas about 4 months ago. He’d had a pacemaker for maybe 8 years prior to his heart going into complete failure last Fall. We think that it was caused by the jabs….but no one is talking about the connection.

RDS

Wolf Moon
Thank you so much for doing this!
If one may ask — could you please include information / links from doctors (Dr. Malone, etc.), scientists (Jessica Rose, etc., [perhaps yourself, too?]), and other knowledgeable persons, regarding possible ways to mitigate / reduce the damage that the mRNA-based “vaccines” are doing to the people who’ve gotten them?
Thank you.

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kalbokalbs

Yes, please.

Most everyone I know IS jabbed.

At some point, they MAY, WTFU. At that point I can share, information they need to consider.

At this point, not one of them seems to have a clue. Nor willing to consider anything, outside of the official narrative. Educated, IDJITS.

Gail Combs

I-RECOVER — POST-VACCINE TREATMENT PROTOCOL

2022 FLCCC Educational Conference: Now available in Education on Demand – click here to learn more!

Founded by a group of leading critical care specialists in March 2020, the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC) is dedicated to helping prevent and treat COVID.

Last edited 18 days ago by Gail Combs
kalbokalbs

Thanks.

FLCCC is book marked, AND a great resource. I will look into the, Education on Demand information.

holly08

The Wellness Company has some detox supplements. Dr. McCullough is the Chief Scientific Officer there.

https://www.twc.health/collections/detox

kalbokalbs

Bookmarked. Thanks Holly.

Gail Combs

Dr. Peter McCullough dropping bombs…
1101 athlete ‘sudden deaths’ since 2021…

January 5, 2023

If you or your loved ones took the shot, 𝗽𝗹𝗲𝗮𝘀𝗲 𝗴𝗼 𝗵𝗮𝘃𝗲 𝘆𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗗-𝗱𝗶𝗺𝗲𝗿 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝘁𝗿𝗼𝗽𝗼𝗻𝗶𝗻 𝗹𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗹𝘀 𝘁𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗱 𝗯𝘆 𝘆𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗱𝗼𝗰𝘁𝗼𝗿 to look for evidence of heart muscle damage or blood clots. .

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You could probably manage to nag your loved ones into having those two tests.

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On average, plan on budgeting at least $45 to as much as $95 for the troponin test only without insurance. However, if you were to receive the test at a local doctor’s office, you would need to add a doctor’s office visit fee on top of this fee, bringing the grand total to about $95 to $155.

So about $500 to make sure your heart is ok and you are not looking at blood clots.

kalbokalbs

Captured the links. Thank you.

Aubergine

I’ve discovered a sneaky way to get people onto at least some of the FLCCC protocol for post-vaxx.

So many of them are ill in some way, whether colds or flus, or malaise. And I am robustly healthy. So I tell them that the way to stop getting sick all the time is to supplement with vitamin D, vitamin C, nattokinase, quercetin, zinc, and NAC.

Just for general good health, I tell them. At least it’s something.

Gingersmom2009

Yes, these people are literally ill with something – constantly. Just as you said, colds/flu/rsv alternating with general malaise.

My husband’s brass band (30+ players) rehearses twice a week. They’re all jabbed/multi-boosted except for one player. The majority are under 40 – and yet there’s always someone sick or just back, or not feeling quite right at rehearsal, or just tested positive. And when they’re sick – it’s BAD sick.

It will never dawn on them – their eyes glaze over. 🙄

Last edited 18 days ago by Gingersmom2009
Aubergine

Someday, I hope the sun rises for these people.

Gingersmom2009

yes.

Alison

That is Similar to what i do – talk about supporting/boosting our human immune system (which most have forgotten about), using the supplements Aubergine listed. I start with recommending Vit D, C and zinc because those are recognizable. If they are receptive to that, I’ll follow up with a recommendation for the additional supplements.

we have to remember we are converting folks unwilling to do their own research who want ‘experts’ to be right. Baby steps has been more successful with those in my circle …

Aubergine

I agree 100%. And good job!

Alison

we have to figure out how to “be on their side” – it’s hard when all I want to donis wring their necks and cry “how could you be SO dense?”

*grin*

Aubergine

Right!

kalbokalbs

Ironically, in a warped way, funny AND spot on.

RF121

85% of the population is over fat. 40% are obese. Does not matter what supplements you take. When you are fat, you are sick. Until you address that you are not doing much to address the root cause of your health.

This is how pharma works. Do what you want, and we will give you a drug for life to deal with your issues.

holly08

Fat or thin or somewhere in between. It’s not just about weight. It’s about diet and the modern diet is nutritionally deficient.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Indeed.

Doctors have been tightening the definition of “overweight” over the past 20 years or so, just like they have with “high blood pressure.” Why the change? Is it just so they can define more people as “sick”?

It’s a continuum. One more pound will probably hurt, some…but can it be measured? 50 extra pounds will definitely hurt, and measurably so. But what’s the actual optimum number? Is it possible it differs by person (even if two people are the same height, sex, and skeletal “width”)?

Gail Combs

At my age I WANT to be 10 to 20 pounds ‘OVER WEIGHT’ Have you seen what happens to an elderly person who gets sick? They lose that weight in a week or two!

Also remember what we call ‘over weight’ esp in women was considered beautiful a few generations ago. My German grandma thought my Mom was MUCH TOO SKINNY!

Think bustles and all that.

holly08

A few extra pounds on elderly women is said to help to protect their bones if they fall. I’ve seen it with my mother’s friends.

Gail Combs

It also depends on WHERE you are carrying the weight.

A fat butt is not much of a problem. A fat gut that inhibits your innards is.

holly08

True. Some padding around the hips helps prevent fractures. A friend who’s a PT says the skinny, old ladies are the ones who break bones with a fall.

Gail Combs

Now if only my fat cells would crawl around to BEHIND me.

OH one thing a lot of people miss is LOW IODINE LEVELS.

Also with older people if you are taking OTC pain killers you are likely to FEEL HUNGRY when it is those pain pills chewing on your stomach.

I had both problems.

holly08

“In all the right places” changes as we age. 😬

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

And I am noticing that women these days seem to think men want grotesquely huge butts on their women. (Apparently that actually does tend to be true with Black men, but of course that’s just a tendency.)

holly08

Kim K. had hers reduced (though still large) recently, so that trend may be going away. Seems like the next look is going to be an exaggerated, almost cartoonish hourglass shape.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Yeah hers is ridiculous. Boobs are okay, butt is ridiculous.

RF121

Elderly get hurt because their bones and muscles are weak. They do not eat anywhere near enough protein. As you get older you need to eat more not less. As you age your absorption of ammino acids drops. You should be consuming your ideal weight in grams of protein.
150 lbs = 150 gms protein. Daily.

holly08

Good in theory, but the old guy whose wife died, (she did all the cooking), and has limited mobility due to arthritis and bad knees, physical pain, poor vision, cognitive decline, depression isn’t working on increasing his protein intake. Have to calculate in the human factor.

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RF121

Most of what you list there is from poor diet and lack of fitness. The human factor is you can try and do the right things for yourself or you can just slowly die. Choose wisely.

holly08

Agree 100%. I have been taking on more responsibility for my mother and am now immersed in old person life, the endless medical appts., the discussion about all her friends and their situations. Some days I think I’m 85 too.

I am amazed though at how so many of them do not choose wisely and suffer. It has been a huge wakeup call for me about what not to do.

RF121

This days, getting healthy and staying there takes a lot of effort. If you get into the sick care system it is hard to get out. They only want to medicate and not cure.

This is something we have to do for ourselves and old folks only want to do what their doctor tells them.

holly08

YES. It’s very frustrating to watch these people get sucked into the system. I realize they’re from a time when doctors were respected authority figures, but I no longer trust any of them and question everything.

These elderly people just do as they’re told. And they’re very scared. I feel for them, but people make choices.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I certainly think rail thin, or even “rail thin except in certain areas” is overrated, but then I’m looking, not being!

When they brought back the St. Gaudens design for the new American Gold Eagle (well, it was 1986 but that’s newer than the original run of the design in 1907) they made Liberty noticeably slimmer to match 1980s tastes rather than 1900s tastes.

RF121

Huh? It is about fat. Your body needs protein to grow and repair so it will keep eating until it meets that demand. But in the process you may be eating a ton of carbs and fats to get there. Which is your nutritionally deficient issue.

Your goal is to get to your protein requirements without eating the excess energy so you do not get fat.

holly08

You said fat people are sick and I’m saying thin people can also be sick because they eat too many carbs and not enough fat and protein. I know because I was one of them. 

RF121

Yes, that can be true. India is getting killed with T2D and they are mostly thin. Genetics is a factor here. But some people can eat excess carbs and their body processes them just fine. About 20%. Most of us just blow up.

In general, in the U.S if you are fat you are sick and diabetic. There are fat people who are obese but are not yet diabetic as their body just keeps creating new fat cells to soak up the excess energy. Always exceptions to the rule.

kalbokalbs

Smiling here.

With adult children AND NOT hot mouthing Covidiot anything.

  • In conversation, I mention, buffing up my daily vitamins / supplements, can’t recall ever feeling better.
  • Adult children have increased their and their children vitamin / supplement intake.
Aubergine

Yay!

Gail Combs

Do not forget a brazil nut (selenium) a few times a week…

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I’ve finally cut back on the selenium and zinc supplements. I’m now taking them only on odd-numbered days. Quercitin only on dates divisible by 5.

Aubergine

Chocolate covered, of course!

Valerie Curren

This information needs its own post for easy reference!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yes, it will need to be separated from the first post I’m doing, which is SO distracting from it, in an opposite direction.

Valerie Curren

Looking forward to All that you share!

TheseTruths

Sen. Ron Johnson:

@chucktodd did not want to hear about Hunter Biden’s wrongdoings.

Here’s a list of violations that the biased news media continues to ignore.

1. Tax crimes: Federal agents investigating Hunter Biden have gathered what they believe is sufficient evidence to charge him with tax crimes related to his income from various business ventures, including overseas.

2. Payments to escorts linked to human trafficking: Joe Biden may have financed his son’s participation in an escort ring tied to Russia, records from a copy of Hunter Biden’s abandoned laptop show.

3. Hunter Biden failed to register as a foreign agent during years of overseas business dealings cashing in on his family name – that crime could result in prison time.

4. False statement on background check: The FBI has gathered sufficient evidence to charge Hunter Biden with making a false statement when purchasing a gun in 2018- a time period in which Hunter Biden, by his own account, was smoking crack cocaine.

scott467

After a Long Drive Toward a Dead End, We Have Reached It (part one)”
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I’m 1:25 seconds into the video, and I have no idea who this guy is, but he’s claiming that if covid had affected children more than seniors, if it had been more dangerous than it already was, there would have been NO TOLERANCE for vaccine skepticism.

He practically salivates over the prospect.

What this Nazi doesn’t grasp is that even if government propaganda claimed that every last person on the planet is facing death, YOU DON’T GET TO INJECT ANYONE WITH POISON based on your degree of being scared.

The fact that you crap your pants like a baby on command for government lies does NOT translate into power to SILENCE others or shoot them up with poison.

This Sam Harris guy is sick in the head.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I agree. I feel the author’s same annoyance with Harris, who is trying to rationalize his compliance with “the current thing that was logically flawed”.

Can’t be rationalized.

The idea that people need to take a vaccine for other people is FLAWED. Fundamentally FLAWED.

Gail Combs

IF you think the Clot Shot protects YOU then take the damn thing. HOWEVER you have ZERO moral authority to DEMAND I take it.

Heck as Karl Deringer and others have said, VACCINATING DURING a Pandemic is THE WRONG THING TO DO if the vaccine does not completely kill the bug. That is produces STERILIZING IMMUNITY. And give that those who got the Clot shot have gone on to become infected, the Clot Shot OBVIOUSLY does not produce sterilizing immunity. So YOU getting vaccinated is actually a DANGER to me!

Serious (And Ignored) Vaccine Risk
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=241536

It is this key fact that makes most routine vaccines safe in terms of not potentiating mutations that all viruses undergo. A vaccinated person who has “sterilizing immunity” cannot become part of a chain of replication for a mutated strain that is more-virulent because they are incapable of transmitting the virus to someone else.  The exception among the common vaccines used today in the US is polio; the injected form does not produce sterilizing immunity and this is only safe to do in the US because polio has not circulated in the US since the late 1970s. When it was circulating we used a combination of both the shot and the oral attenuated vaccine for this very reason; the oral vaccine occasionally can and does produce polio but it also produces sterilizing immunity. In parts of the world where polio still circulates the oral form is still used for this exact reason.

Coronaviruses, which infect not just humans but also domesticated and food-source animals, generally cannot be vaccinated against in this fashion; 

SEE this article about a vaccine that does exactly what Karl is talking about.: This Chicken Vaccine Makes Virus More Dangerous

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TheseTruths

YOU DON’T GET TO INJECT ANYONE WITH POISON based on your degree of being scared.

I agree, and we had better be ready for anything that might occur in the future.

kalbokalbs

…anything that might occur in the future.

Already scheduled to happen, shortly after the USG takes a knee, to the WHO. Giving WHO dictatorial power…lock downs, masks, jabs, travel…

Which we’ll need to reply, GFY – WHO, USG…

RF121

What they will do is bypass vaccines and insert the “cure” into the water supply or our food supply. That is the best way around us pesky anti vax types. Or the chemtrail folks would argue they spray it.

I think that is the underlying issue for them in controlling what we all eat. If they can get all on their plant based manufactured foods then it is easy to add ingredients. Free range cows, not so much.

Aubergine

See my comments about Sam Harris here somewhere. He’s gone mad.

TheseTruths

Utah doctor allegedly destroyed vaccines, gave fake shots to children
https://www.eastidahonews.com/2023/01/utah-doctor-allegedly-destroyed-vaccines-gave-fake-shots-to-children/

A Utah plastic surgeon, his neighbor, and two others are facing charges after allegedly giving people fake vaccination cards and destroying government-provided COVID-19 vaccinations.

Dr. Michael Kirk Moore Jr., 58, and his neighbor, Kristin Jackson Andersen, 59, have been charged with conspiracy to defraud the United States, conspiracy to convert, sell, convey, and dispose of government property, conversion sale, conveyance, and disposal of government property and aiding and abetting.

The Plastic Institute of Utah Inc., along with office manager Kari Dee Burgoyne, 52, and receptionist Sandra Flores, 31, faces the same charges.

According to court documents, Moore and his co-defendants allegedly ran a scheme out of Plastic Surgery Institute of Utah Inc. to defraud the United States and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

The documents say Moore and Andersen were members of a private organization seeking to “liberate the medical profession from government and industry conflicts of interest.”

Okay, great. But sending yourself to jail might not be the best way to do it.

In the allegations, the four destroyed at least $28,000 worth of COVID-19 vaccinations and distributed at least 1,900 doses’ worth of fake completed vaccination record cards. The court documents allege the fake vaccination cards were sold either for direct cash payments of $50 per person per occurrence or required “donations to a specified charitable organization.”

The court documents estimate the fake vaccination cards have a total value of nearly $97,000.

Moore and his co-defendants also allegedly gave children saline shots at the request of their parents so the children would think they were receiving a COVID-19 vaccine.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

In retrospect, they were RIGHT.

The whole thing is SAD.

RAC

Wonder how many lives they saved, and they now face punishment.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yes!!!

RF121

Their screw up is if they took money in the process. Very easy for the gubmint to charge them with fraud.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Yep.

“We’ll pay you $X to do Y.”

“OK” while thinking “Hmm, Y is bad, I’ll just take the money and not do it”

Gets you a fraud conviction for not doing what you’re paid to do, even though it’s bad.

Of course the people making the offer could suffer a different criminal charge (such as paying someone to kill or maim people) but that won’t erase the fraud issue.

scott467

What about the people who paid Ghizlaine whatsherface, Epstein’s pimp secretary, for access to all the underage girls (and boys, I’m sure)?

There is a whole LONG list of them, but so far, the FIB has kept a tight lid on that information.

I’m sure they’re working feverishly on making cases against each and every pedo…

These guys are always on the job, especially dork-knob who’s looking at the camera.

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scott467

I could hardly believe that anyone had passed an actual LAW against providing anyone with false documents, so I checked last night, and apparently only a few blue states have done so.

And if I remember correctly, it was Hitler type draconian stuff, like just being in possession, whether money changed hands or not.

These are nasty people, and while they make themselves look incompetent continually in things they ought to be doing in their official capacity, they are razor sharp when it comes to doing things to restrict or control people.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

BTW, Dodge and FIB have investigated and prosecuted a LOT of people for making, selling, giving, or owning fake vaccination cards. So sad.

Arrested and imprisoned for helping people not take death shots.

scott467

Sounds like the only crime here is price gouging, $50 is too much.

Other than that, they’re heroes, and history will prove that out.

The government is going after them like Nazis going after people who forged documents to help people escape Nazi Germany in WWII.

Apparently the government doesn’t recognize that everybody can see they’re playing the part of the Nazis here.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Excellent take!!!

ROBERT BAKER

One of the sad results about this story is not knowing enough detail to determine whether the clinic was loving their “neighbor” or just greedy. If they were giving out the fake vaccination cards as a favor to their customers and the cards were been passed on at cost or a small fee then they are to be commended. The moral or ethical aspect is not a troublesome problem if you assume ignoring or breaking a bad law to be a responsible act. If they were doing this as an income producing scheme (taking advantage of a desperate market) then their actions are suspect. Such details are usually unreported, therefore no definitive conclusion may be possible.

kalbokalbs

100%, I am good with NOT injecting folks with Covidiot Injections.

All the other chatter is, noise.

Valerie Curren

I love how you simplify things down to the bottom line–TY!!!

scott467

“One of the sad results about this story is not knowing enough detail to determine whether the clinic was loving their “neighbor” or just greedy.”

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True, but either way, they were helping people avoid the Jolly Roger death juice.

I don’t know if forgers worked for free in Nazi Germany either. I can certainly see how it might cost a lot, for someone to risk creating false papers, to provide you with documents so you can try to escape the country under a false name.

It was probably a fee for service, at least if the buyer could afford the fee.

pgroup2

An uphill slog for the prosecutor. How in the world does he/she make the case that the doc defrauded the fed govt? Those vaccines were already paid for and the patients were not paying for them.

And where’s the law that makes vaccine cards an official govt record? Pretty sure there isn’t any such law so counterfeiting/falsifying them cannot be illegal.

In the words of the leftists, can’t we just move on?

TheseTruths

How in the world does he/she make the case that the doc defrauded the fed govt?

I haven’t looked into it in detail, but this is from the CDC:
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/hcp/wastage-operational-summary.html#disposing-vaccine-waste

The COVID-19 Vaccination Provider Agreement states that providers should dispose of COVID-19 vaccine waste in accordance with local regulations and processes currently being used to dispose of regulated medical waste.

The COVID-19 Vaccination Program Agreement requires providers to report wastage information in the Vaccine Tracking System (VTrckS)

It could be argued that the doctor signed on to the Provider Agreement and knew he was not honoring it.

Regarding fake vaccine cards…
https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/criminal-penalties-for-fake-vaccine-cards.html

The U.S. Department of Justice continues to warn the public about COVID-19 vaccination card schemes and the associated criminal charges and penalties for those committing the fraud.

A vaccination card carries the federal seal of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Making, selling, and transferring counterfeit cards with the CDC seal are felonies under federal law and carry the possibility of up to five years in prison. This same penalty applies if a person buys, procures, or uses a counterfeit vaccination card knowing the card is a fake. (18 U.S.C. § 1017 (2022).)

A person who unlawfully uses a legitimate vaccination card can also face federal penalties. The federal government ordered and contracted for the production and distribution of COVID-19 vaccination cards, which prosecutors argue makes the card government property.

Stealing or converting government property for one’s own use is a federal crime.

Some states also have laws regarding forgery, stealing cards, and the like.

I’m all in favor of resisting and fighting back, but we have to know the laws. Removing oneself from the field of battle by being imprisoned unnecessarily and possibly losing the ability to practice medicine might not be the best strategy.

I’m not judging anyone when I say this: It might have been much better if everyone involved, instead of faking compliance, had stood up for their rights. I know how hard that can be and that it can be asking a lot. I’m just looking at outcomes.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yes. If one engages in non-violent civil disobedience, one must be ready to be arrested, charged, convicted, and punished, as part of the protest.

RAC
TheseTruths

The Utah doctor supposedly agreed to the Provider Agreement, and once he did that, he placed himself under an obligation to abide by it. I don’t agree with probably anything the government and 3-letter health agencies did, and continue to do, regarding COVID. I’m just saying we have to know what we’re getting into and be smart about how we fight.

para59r

Might come down to a matter of legal strategy. Rather than take on the issue on the ground of the government’s choosing, step over that and argue there was enough information available to know the vaccine and process of it’s arrival to the public and those implications were all flawed, possibly illegal and were not serving the public good.

Likely the judge would not entertain such arguments but they are what this is about.

kalbokalbs

Pick me. PICK ME, to be a juror in his trial.

Gail Combs

And brush up on Jury nullification so you can inform the other jurors about the concept.

kalbokalbs

Yupper.   :wpds_wink: 

Aubergine

AMEN.

TheseTruths

Yes!

Gail Combs

JURY NULLIFICATION!

If there was ANY time to apply Jury nullification this is it.

TheseTruths

Exactly!

Aubergine

HEROES.

I hope there are many out there like these people.

scott467

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That’s exactly right.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yup. Our instructors even TOLD us to do this!

cthulhu

Oddly enough, the driving instructors in Southern California didn’t spend much time teaching us how to drive in snow.

kalbokalbs

DP, making doughnuts in the parking lot?  😂  😅  😂 

scott467

“RIP David Crosby.”

___________

I didn’t know, until just now.

I’ve had the video of that concert since I was a kid, when it came out in 1983. It even made it through college with me. I taped a piece of paper to the back of the cover with the time location for each song, so I could fast forward or rewind on the VCR to whichever song I wanted to hear 🙂

Thank you for the music, David.

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pgroup2

Thanks for nothing else but the music. Not a nice person.

scott467

When I was a kid, and sorting out what kind of music I liked, a lot of the groups I liked were no longer together, or one of the members was no longer among the living.

Of those who were still making music, many were trying to update their sound to 80s synth and drum machine sound.

When I found out Crosby, Stills & Nash were coming out with a new album in 1982 (Daylight Again) I was afraid they were going to do something similar, to try to latch onto the new sound in music production.

I was just hoping they wouldn’t make something terrible.

Then I heard Southern Cross.

And I smiled, and smiled, and smiled some more 😁

It hadn’t even occurred to me that they might release a song that was great at that point in their music careers.

And Southern Cross was just one of them on the Daylight Again LP.

It also has:

Wasted on the Way
Delta
Song for Susan
Daylight Again / Find the Cost of Freedom
Might as Well Have a Good Time

I could hardly believe it, that those ‘old guys’ could put out an album with so many really good to great songs on it, in 1982.

Good music, a song that moves you, is like a gift that never stops giving.

Crosby, Stills & Nash, along with Neil Young on a couple albums, have given me a bunch of those gifts.

This is Might as Well Have a Good Time, my other favorite from this album. Like Southern Cross, it stood out the first time I heard it.

David is singing lead vocals on this one. What a song. Thank you for all the great music.

pgroup2

Rubini is a mite upset. Okay, a little more than a mite.

He’s pissed.

https://gregrubini.substack.com/p/schiff-censorship-1

TheseTruths

This is great!

I will sue the hell out of Adam Schiff – for $3.2 Billion, or thereabouts.

A Congressman willingly violating the Constitution of the United States??

Congressmen must be the first to uphold the Constitution!

And it is even worse, since Adam Schiff was the Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee!

Adam Schiff has to pay dearly, and must be thrown in jail for his crimes.

Schiff and a huge percentage of Congress should be removed from office for violating their oaths to uphold the Constitution. That’s separate from any crimes they may have committed. So many of our problems would be solved if we got people who violate the Constitution out of positions of power.

Gail Combs

Deprivation Of Rights Under Color Of Law – United States Department of Justice
May 31, 2021

Section 242 of Title 18 𝗺𝗮𝗸𝗲𝘀 𝗶𝘁 𝗮 𝗰𝗿𝗶𝗺𝗲 for a person acting under color of any law 𝘁𝗼 𝘄𝗶𝗹𝗹𝗳𝘂𝗹𝗹𝘆 𝗱𝗲𝗽𝗿𝗶𝘃𝗲 𝗮 𝗽𝗲𝗿𝘀𝗼𝗻 𝗼𝗳 𝗮 𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁 𝗼𝗿 𝗽𝗿𝗶𝘃𝗶𝗹𝗲𝗴𝗲 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝘁𝗲𝗰𝘁𝗲𝗱 𝗯𝘆 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗖𝗼𝗻𝘀𝘁𝗶𝘁𝘂𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻or laws of the United States.

For the purpose of Section 242, acts under “color of law” include acts not only done by federal, state, or local officials within their lawful authority,𝗯𝘂𝘁 𝗮𝗹𝘀𝗼 𝗮𝗰𝘁𝘀 𝗱𝗼𝗻𝗲 𝗯𝗲𝘆𝗼𝗻𝗱 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗯𝗼𝘂𝗻𝗱𝘀 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝗼𝗳𝗳𝗶𝗰𝗶𝗮𝗹’𝘀 𝗹𝗮𝘄𝗳𝘂𝗹 𝗮𝘂𝘁𝗵𝗼𝗿𝗶𝘁𝘆, 𝗶𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗮𝗰𝘁𝘀 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗱𝗼𝗻𝗲 𝘄𝗵𝗶𝗹𝗲 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗼𝗳𝗳𝗶𝗰𝗶𝗮𝗹 𝗶𝘀 𝗽𝘂𝗿𝗽𝗼𝗿𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘁𝗼 𝗼𝗿 𝗽𝗿𝗲𝘁𝗲𝗻𝗱𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘁𝗼 𝗮𝗰𝘁 𝗶𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗽𝗲𝗿𝗳𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗻𝗰𝗲 𝗼𝗳 𝗵𝗶𝘀/𝗵𝗲𝗿 𝗼𝗳𝗳𝗶𝗰𝗶𝗮𝗹 𝗱𝘂𝘁𝗶𝗲𝘀. Persons acting under color of law within the meaning of this statute include police officers, prisons guards and other law enforcement officials, as well as judges, care providers in public health facilities, and others who are acting as public officials. It is not necessary that the crime be motivated by animus toward the race, color, religion, sex, handicap, familial status or national origin of the victim.

The offense is punishable by a range of imprisonment up to a life term, or the death penalty, depending upon the circumstances of the crime, and the resulting injury, if any…..

We really need to start going after elected officials under this law.

TheseTruths

𝘄𝗶𝗹𝗹𝗳𝘂𝗹𝗹𝘆 𝗱𝗲𝗽𝗿𝗶𝘃𝗲 𝗮 𝗽𝗲𝗿𝘀𝗼𝗻 𝗼𝗳 𝗮 𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁 𝗼𝗿 𝗽𝗿𝗶𝘃𝗶𝗹𝗲𝗴𝗲 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝘁𝗲𝗰𝘁𝗲𝗱 𝗯𝘆 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗖𝗼𝗻𝘀𝘁𝗶𝘁𝘂𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻or laws of the United States.

That’s exactly what Schiff did!

Gail Combs

Yes and the FIB and any other fed.

rayzorback

 violating their oaths to uphold the Constitution…
.
That is what the Brunson case was about.
But as usual… SCOTUS Pussed out of hearing it.

RAC

“The issue of transferring Western tanks to Ukraine was not resolved at a meeting between US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin and his German counterpart Boris Pistorius, CNN reported. Many German officials are against the transfer of their tanks to Ukraine for moral reasons: “again German tanks against Russians”, which is unacceptable because of the analogies with World War II.

According to her, “despite the private pressure campaign carried out by Austin, the issue of tank deliveries remains unresolved” on the eve of a meeting of Western defense ministers at the US Ramstein Air Base in Germany. Sources of the TV company believe that the German authorities “are unlikely to change their position” on this issue. According to CNN, a number of high-ranking representatives of the US administration are expressing dissatisfaction with the position of the German government.”
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“The new German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius warned Poland against transferring Leopard tanks to Kiev without the consent of Berlin, ZDF TV channel reports. According to him, Berlin has not yet received a request from Warsaw to lift the ban on the re-export of tanks.”

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“The US does not yet see the point in providing Ukraine with Abrams tanks due to difficulties with their maintenance – Pentagon Deputy Press Secretary Sabrina Singh”
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“CIA head secretly met with Zelensky in Kiev to warn about Russia’s military “plans” – Washington Post

William Burns secretly visited Kiev last week and told Zelensky about Russia’s military plans for the coming weeks and months.
They also discussed US military assistance to Kiev. The director of the CIA acknowledged that at some point the supply of weapons could be reduced due to a decrease in the level of support for Ukraine among Americans.
According to WP sources, it is assumed that the support of Ukraine by the White House, despite the transition of the House of Representatives of Congress to the leadership of the Republicans, will last at least until July or August.”

cthulhu

Who would be “WP sources” in that context?

I, for one, would not mind seeing a complete cessation of US Government transfers to Ukraine happening immediately. No money, no arms. Cut ’em off from SWIFT, pull diplomatic personnel out.

cthulhu

Mind you, I’ve generally had it with international grifters and parasites overall. NATO can explore creative autoerotic anatomical contortions; the UN can relocate to some cheaper real estate — like Thule; the IMF and World Bank can use their own money to finance their own schemes. I’m sick and tired of the WHO, the WTO, the WWF, and all the other schemes to “share the wealth”.

phoenixrising37

All of the ABC agencies you list are controlled by the US Gov’t …

which is controlled by the NeoCons …

who are not on your list…

It is they who have brought us to the point of WW III …

Read Larry Summers blog from yesterday (any day, actually):

WESTERN ESCALATION THREATENS TO WIDEN WORLD WAR III19 January 2023 by Larry Johnson 

https://sonar21.com/western-escalation-threatens-to-widen-world-war-iii/

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

No, not Thule. That still has fairly close access to-from Europe and North America. Right now flights are weekly, but put the UN there and the flights will become daily.

Some place in the far south Atlantic or better yet the southern Indian ocean, like South Georgia Island or Kerguelen would be better for those asswipes. (And the weather is almost as bad.)

cthulhu

Truth.

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kalbokalbs

^^^ Been there,many times. Lotsa creative, and NOT so creative solutions.

Gail Combs

Gloves….

kalbokalbs

These days, absolutely. Way back in the day… 🤔 

holly08

Damar Hamlin update.

In a statement, Hamlin’s longtime friend and business partner, Jordon Rooney, said: “Despite being out of the hospital, Damar still has a lengthy recovery. Damar still requires oxygen and is having his heart monitored regularly. He has visited with the team a few times but he still gets winded very easily.”

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35485380/bills-damar-hamlin-faces-lengthy-recovery-spokesman-says

kalbokalbs

JAB, din du nuffin.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

LMAO! Shortest and best description yet. OMG.

Aubergine

This whole situation is infuriating to me.

Damar Hamlin’s life is ruined,but since he’s alive, we’re supposed to pretend it doesn’t matter, and all is well.

They took his GIFT.

I’m a visual artist. I’ve won awards. If the vaccine took my vision, but left me alive, my life is ruined. Or if it took Deplorable Patriot’s voice, what would her life be like? We’d be living; would we really be alive?

People have got to stop pretending like this is anything other than a TRAGEDY. Damar is NEVER going to use his God-given gift again. That is what I believe is true. And that is a travesty.

TheseTruths

Yes. That’s what that macabre meme I posted is about. Your life — *poof* — either gone or altered forever.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

EXACTLY!!! Yup.

kalbokalbs

Precisely!

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

This is why I have always been impatient with the “What, do all this for a disease that ‘only’ kills one percent of the people who catch it?” arguments that used to be common here.

OK so you lived through it, as expected. How much permanent damage did it do? How long did you have to deal with the non-permanent damage? How shitty is your life now, with all that crap?

It doesn’t have to be a lethal disease to be worth taking precautions against, and those precautions would include a genuine vaccine.

So THIS (above) wasn’t a valid argument against a vaccine. To be more blunt, anyone who argued it wasn’t worth taking a vaccine on the grounds that the disease had a 98.4% survival rate had his head up his ass.

However, the fact that THIS vaccine was worthless or even harmful WAS a good argument…or would have been had the folks who (instead) highlighted the low mortality rate tried to make it.

kalbokalbs

NOT the first or last time, my head, is firmly up my ass. Comfort zone of sorts.

Point of timeline dependent, based on some, much, or all of what we lived through, I’ll take 98.4%, survivable.

Hmmm.

  • Global governments, likely for the first time in history, In Lockstep, Lock Down Draconian Mode.
  • Debate AND discussion banned. Censoring…
  • Covidiot tests BOGUS. Lots of false positives.
  • Covidiot diagnosis AND deaths plussed up, via financial incentives to health care systems, hospitals, quacks..
  • Prevention ignored from Covidiot arrival.
  • Perfectly good treatments (HCQ, IVM…) available in a sane medical environment, DENIED.
  • Passive Covid treatment standardized. Go home and return when you are dying.
  • Hospitals are overrun…bald faced LIE.
  • Treatment Mandated by Feds, NO deviation. NO off label scripting allowed.
  • Genuine “vaccine” – FAILURE.
  • Properly tested “vaccine” – FAILURE.
  • VAERS data considered by Feds, CDC, FDA, Healthcare systems…
  • Autopsies on those recently jabbed deaths? Wut for?

Granted, it took slow guy here, six or so weeks, to internally call BS on the Covidiot narrative.

NOW, did I internally debate, get jabbed or NO jab? Did I inquire here and join the, get jabbed or NOT jabbed, discussion. Absolutely.

  • Latched onto 98.4%. <<< LOGICAL, in my shallow mind.
SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Again, if your real argument was that the vax was crap…that’s a different matter.

But are you really saying that you’d not take a good vax for a disease that would (say) likely permanently paralyze you or put you on oxygen for the rest of your life, but let you live 98.4 percent of the time? Because that is what the “why take a vax for a disease you’ll likely live through” argument is actually saying; that you don’t care about all the other bad things the disease could do.

RF121

The real issue is how many good vaxes are there in reality? There were a few that were claimed to be successful like small pox and polio. But now looking back at the history and reality, polio looks to have been total B.S.

Us mostly older folks just always believed that they worked and were legit. You are arguing like the “good” vaxes are. But do we really know with all the deception that has been brought to light?

Simple stuff like salt causes high blood pressure. Totally made up, no studies to support it and yet it is pretty much medical gospel. Trust nothing.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

The real issue is how many good vaxes are there in reality?” And your answer to that is that you don’t trust vaxes.

Then THAT is your real argument, not the 98.4 percent survival rate. That’s just a red herring.

If you don’t trust vaxes, the fatality rate of whatever you’re being asked to vax against is irrelevant.

RF121

Not really. It used to be a risk reward. You took a cholera shot to travel to the Far East because it was basically fatal and there were no side effects to the jab. That were known anyway.

So if there solution is a jab for something with a very low fatality rate then why do it? Both elements are relevant.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Fair enough. (In fact I suspect the cholera vax is a lot more trustworthy than this covid one…it could hardly be less trustworthy.)

But you only ever mentioned the mortality rate as a factor, so it looked like an absolute. And as an absolute, it would be silly.

Aubergine

RF121 has it correct in his reply to you here.

It’s likely there are only one or two vaccines that work and/or are necessary.

There are risks with any “created” substance we put in our bodies. And I don’t believe those risks are sufficiently and accurately explained to people by the medical community when they prescribe or recommend them.

So, yes, I will take my chances with the 98.4% survival rate, trust my natural immunity, and take excellent care of it, because having learned all I have about the pharmaceutical industry in the last few years, I think my odds are better that way than with pretty much anything they have to offer me.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

See my response to RF121.

scott467

“It’s likely there are only one or two vaccines that work and/or are necessary.”

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And they can put nRNA covid vaxx in those too, and there is no way we would ever know.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I’d have no issue with a tetanus booster. Or many other things.

But how would I know that was actually what I was getting? [Answer: I can’t!]

And that’s aside from the issue of them bundling good stuff with crap OVERTLY and that’s your only way to get the good stuff.

Last edited 18 days ago by SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA
Gingersmom2009

Can you even get tetanus by itself anymore?

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I don’t think you can…so I’d better not go stepping on any rusty nails.

Gingersmom2009

It’s yet another outrage. 🙄

kalbokalbs
  • The ENTIRE Covidiot story, including vaccines, has been, AND IS, a lie. <<< This is where I am.

Arguing for a “good” Covidiot vaccine, which has NEVER existed, is nonsensical to me. A rabbit hole.

Am I anti-vax? NO. Now a days, damn sure vax hesitant since Covidiot AND Covidiot Injections, were imposed on the global community.

  • Yes, I’ll get a rabies injection, if I need it. Tetanus, yes. Yea, it is a mix injection, I guess.

As a very wise gal, (IIRC WSB), has posted a few times, the following makes sense to this slow guy.

  • Injecting synthetic anything, was never a good idea. I take that to include mRNA Covidiot injections.
  • ^^^ Hopefully I got it correctly.
scott467

“But are you really saying that you’d not take a good vax for a disease that would (say) likely permanently paralyze you or put you on oxygen for the rest of your life, but let you live 98.4 percent of the time?”

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If Mr. Globo-Homo created Polio or AIDS and unleashed it on the world, and then created a supposed ‘vaxx’ to inoculate against it, how do we trust their chief medical officer’s vaxx?

Can Mengele make a good vaxx?

Even assuming he could… why would he?

RAC

To be a survivor one has to have caught it, one unknown figure is how many never caught it, or caught it and it was indistinguishable from a bad cold.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I had a MILD head cold after attending an event that (apparently) gave a number of attendees covid. Was my head cold actually covid? I’ll never know.

RAC

Unscientific maybe but does it not depend on how good ones body is at fighting it off, and also how much of the virus one gets hit with, like winged with a few pellets or taking the full blast.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Yep. I was taking the full regimen of vitamins and minerals at the time, so my immune system probably simply spanked the thing–it’s always been pretty strong.

scott467

“So THIS (above) wasn’t a valid argument against a vaccine. To be more blunt, anyone who argued it wasn’t worth taking a vaccine on the grounds that the disease had a 98.4% survival rate had his head up his ass.”

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That argument misses the entire point, which is why would we trust the same people who created the bio-weapon to provide us a ‘vaxx’ that didn’t continue the same objective as their bio-weapon?

How can we trust TPTB for anything, once they declared unrestricted global warfare on humankind?

It’s like someone who is feeling suicidal asking Jack Kevorkian for counseling.

It’s like asking Hitler for mercy. Okay, mercy for you, you get in this special boxcar, and it will take you back home. Promise.

This is what I have been impatient about, that these are monsters, literally mortal enemies of all mankind, committing genocide against the whole human race, and 2+ years into it, they’re still prospering and having a high old time.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Precisely.

It was being presented before we really knew just how bad the vax was, as if to say any disease with a 98.4 percent survival rate was no big deal. Without reference to other bad outcomes (a chance of permanent crippling might make it worth while to do something about a disease even if you’re guaranteed to live through it), without reference to the possibility that some might say that when it’s your LIFE 1.6 percent chance of losing is still unacceptably high.

It got clarified below, as basically “the vax is even more hazardous than the disease,” (true in this case) but that was never made clear by the people posting the stat. It was stated as a principle: 98.4 percent survival rate = nothing to worry about.

scott467

“However, the fact that THIS vaccine was worthless or even harmful WAS a good argument…or would have been had the folks who (instead) highlighted the low mortality rate tried to make it.”

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And since EVERY vaccine will be created, produced and distributed by the exact same monsters, then every vaccine will likewise be harmful.

That has to be the operating assumption and premise until proven otherwise.

And if there is any way to prove otherwise, what would that be?