Dear KAG: 20240130 Open Thread

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Poisoning the Well

Badlands News Brief – January 29, 2024

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Elon’s Twitter Trim Sparks Government Comparison: Could a Leaner U.S. System Be the Solution?

Gee, IDK, ya THINK?!

Archbishop Viganò Denounces Globalist Elite’s ‘Coup d’état’ at National Congress: A Call for Resistance Against New World Order

War Pigs

Sane Take on Swift/Kelce

Really, it’s a distraction.

Tucker reacts to Lindsey Graham’s push for war with Iran by dropping an f-bomb on his head…

Waking up is hard to do.

Tweets…X-Files, uh, posts, whatever

MK Ultra. Jesse Watters went there. OMG….

Hence the need for endless wars.

Just say no.

Meme Zone

Something to remember, always.

Per the boss’s instruction:

I’d throw in a few Rockefellers and Rothschilds also.

Of course, this does not mean committing felonies, but standing up to the forces that want to tear this nation – and humanity apart. The very people XVII told us will be destroyed by the time this movie comes to an end are currently roaming the halls of power…supposedly. It’s a sickening sight.

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Nov 5 2017 20:06:36 (EST)

Anonymous ID: pqW40Wgk No.148156518 
Nov 5 2017 20:05:48 (EST)

>>148154137

St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle. Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray. And do thou, Prince of the Heavenly Hosts, by the power of God, cast down to Hell Satan and all his evil spirits, who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls. Amen.

>>148156518
Amen brother.
Q

As always, prayers for the fight against that which seeks to enslave us are welcome. Via con Dios.

Satire

My dad likes Brussels sprouts…that explains a lot.

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pgroup2

Everybody’s bedding down early, eh?

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Almost everybody! 😉

cthulhu

If “bedding down” is your expression for “reading the content”, then yes.

TheseTruths

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Keep watching that plane crash. There is already evidence of foul play, IMO.

https://apnews.com/article/north-dakota-senator-plane-crash-2abf966fe248dc8f6ccbe00d76563c71

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Doug Larsen
State Senator
North Dakota
mRNA vacccines
plane crash
Moab, Utah

North Dakota lawmaker’s plane took off without runway lights before the crash that killed his family

https://archive.fo/xFcNz

BISMARCK, N.D. (AP) — A North Dakota state senator took off from a remote Utah airport last month with his wife and two young sons in the plane without the runway lights on a night with no moonlight and crashed just a minute later, killing everyone aboard, investigators said in a preliminary report released Thursday.

Security video and a witness confirmed the runway lights that are controlled by the pilot remained dark when the plane took off on Oct. 1 from the airport outside Moab, but the report from the National Transportation Safety Board didn’t explain why the lights weren’t on. Investigators also didn’t find any mechanical problems in their initial inspection of the wreckage, so it won’t be clear what caused the crash until they finish their full report more than a year from now.

Doug and Amy Larsen and their two sons, 11-year-old Christian and 8-year-old Everett, were on the ground in Utah for less than three hours on their way home from a family gathering in Arizona.

Security video showed Larsen buying 27 gallons (102 liters) of fuel at a self-serve island at the airport shortly after landing around 5:45 p.m., when it was still daylight, and borrowing a car to drive into town, the NTSB said.

scott467

“Over the next year, investigators will spend more time examining the wreckage and tearing apart the plane’s engine for clues. But the NTSB said its initial examination of the wreckage “revealed no mechanical malfunctions or failures that would have precluded normal operations.”

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Was he jabbed?

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“Investigators also will carefully calculate just how much weight was on the plane with four people aboard and the additional fuel that Larsen just bought.

“I won’t be the least bit surprised if the final report shows the airplane was over its maximum certified takeoff weight,” Wallace said.

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That seems like a strange thing to say.

What sort of airplane can’t handle the weight of two adults, two children, and 27 gallons of gas?

What was he flying, one of these?

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SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

It’s something you are trained to consider…even as a beginner pilot.

Now whether people actually do so is another question entirely.

mollypitcher5

It sounds like they had already flown from Az to Utah with no problems due to weight nor any other known mechanical issues

pgroup2

A very interesting observation!

scott467

I understand.

It is reasonable to assume that a commercially produced passenger plane, designed to carry at least 4 people, would necessarily carry at least 27 gallons of fuel, or you wouldn’t be able to fly very far.

Likewise, it is reasonable to assume that Mr. Larsen would not strap his wife or kids to the top of the plane, Family Vacation style, but that the plane was designed to seat at least 4 people, including the pilot.

The kids, being young, both weighed much less than a grown adult.

It is possible that the gas tank was already partially full, and the extra 27 gallons just topped it off.

Even so, what kind of commercially produced passenger plane, built to seat at least four people, cannot also hold a full fuel tank, without going over the maximum certified take off weight?

If it can’t take off with four people and a full tank of gas, then why does it have four seats, or a tank the holds more gas than it can take off with?

It doesn’t make sense.

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Another photo of the plane, or a similar plane, in flight:
https://www.radioplusinfo.com/2023/10/03/utah-plane-crash-kills-north-dakota-state-senator-doug-larsen-and-family/

https://dehayf5mhw1h7.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/sites/1997/2023/10/03100015/Shutterstock_604863164241052.webp

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Excellent question. Unless they overloaded it with luggage, what’s the problem?

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

IIRC and I may not, a Cessna 172 might be pushing it with four adults and full tanks of gas and realistic amounts of baggage.

Another thing you have to consider is where the center of gravity of the plane will be, too far aft or forward and it’s very hard to hold straight-and-level.

TheseTruths

I’m suspicious of just about everything, but sometimes odd things happen that change people’s lies. But with Ukraine and Russia involved, it seems fishy.

pgroup2

Have wolfie ask Ava.  😂 

Cuppa Covfefe

Probably end up with something like this 🙂
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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

She gave me TWO limericks. And she dropped the humor.

Ava – I need a limerick about the reliability or unreliability of this story:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-rocket-scientist-kills-himself-after-missile-he-helped-produce-obliterates-grandmother-s-ukraine-house-report/ar-BB1hrl2E

Apologies for the distressing news, but I can certainly help you with a limerick about the reliability of this story. 

In a tale of a missile’s great might,
A Russian’s heart filled with fright.
His own rocket, he’d made,
Now it’s to blame, he’d paid,
For a house, his own kin’s destroyed. 

The story’s reliability we can’t say,
But it has led many to pray.
In this tragic case,
We can only face,
The harsh truth of war’s cruel array. 

I hope this limerick offers some comfort and insight into the story. Please let me know if you need any further writing assistance!

Gail Combs

MSN –> CIA –> PROPAGANDA!

I think this is the guy. (Found on Yandex.com)

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Møt vår nye kollega: Anton Horobets!

Anton Horobets kom til Noreg frå Ukraina i oktober i fjor. Etter at han gjennomførte praksis i næringshagen i vår er han nå tilsett som trainee.

Nyttar erfaringar frå Ukraina inn i arbeidet

Horobets kom til Suldal for første gong ein kald haustkveld i fjor med mykje regn. Her blei han møtt av Bartak og Mark frå introsenteret, som tok han med seg til KULP for pizza.

– Det var merkeleg og interessant på same tid. Eg hadde mange tankar rundt denne litle staden og kva som ville skje, fortel Horobets.

Horobets blei uteksaminert frå Luhansk National Agrarian University i Ukraina der han studerte økonomi og administrasjon ved fakultetet for økonomi. Etter utdanninga har han jobba som salssjef og prosjektleiar før han gjekk inn i IT-verda. Her jobba han med utviklinga av nettsider, reklamemateriell og dataanalysar.

– Som trainee og prosjektkoordinator i næringshagen har eg fått nytta bakgrunnen min ved å jobba tett på forretningsutviklarane og marknadsføringsarbeidet. Spesielt givande har det vore å bidra til utviklinga av eit grunderakademi for ukrainske flyktningar, fortel Horobets. – Det har gitt meg god innsikt i norsk arbeidsliv, regelverk og gründerskap.

Imponert over aktiviteten i regionen

Horobets fortel at han var imponert over å sjå aktiviteten i næringslivet regionen etter kvart som han blei meir kjend med området.

– Eg har blitt imponert over dei store prosjekta og spanande satsingane som blir sett i gong på ein så liten stad. Det har også vore kjekt å læra meir om reiselivet. Når eg først kom til Suldal i oktober blei eg fortald at det var mange turistar i regionen i sommaren, noko eg ikkje trudde på då. Det har vore lærerikt å sjå kor mange som reiser gjennom regionen vår i sommarsesongen.

For at regionen skal lukkast for framtida meiner Horobets at menneske er den viktigaste faktoren.

– Folk er ein nøkkelressurs for å skape vekst, anten det er gjennom utviding av eksisterande bedrifter eller nye bedrifter. Me treng også folk som nyttar tenestene og produkta som er tilgjengelege.

Som dataanalytikar håpar han at kunnskapen hans kan vere nyttig for små og mellomstore bedrifter når det kjem til ein stadig meir digitalisert forretningskvardag. Han er oppteken av at bedrifter kan utnytte dataressursane sine betre.

– Det er viktig at når ei bedrift brukar store ressursar på digital kommunikasjon og automatiseringsprosessar at dei også har eit bevisst forhold til kva data som er relevante for bedrifta. Å forstå kva ulike dataanalyseverktøy fortel om kundeatferd, trendar og samanhengar, vil gjere bedriftene betre i stand til å ta rette val med tanke på marknadskommunikasjon og også kostnadsreduksjon, seier han.

TRANSLATION FROM 👉NORWEGIAN

Meet our new colleague: Anton Horobets!

Anton Horobets came to Norway from Ukraine in October last year. After he completed an internship in the commercial garden this spring, he has now been appointed as a trainee.

Uses experiences from Ukraine in the work

Horobets came to Suldal for the first time on a cold autumn evening last year with a lot of rain. Here he was met by Bartak and Mark from the intro centre, who took him to KULP for pizza.

– It was strange and interesting at the same time. I had many thoughts about this small town and what would happen, says Horobets.

Horobets graduated from Luhansk National Agrarian University in Ukraine where he studied economics and administration at the Faculty of Economics. After his education, he worked as a floor manager and project manager before entering the IT world. Here he worked with the development of websites, advertising material and data analyses.

– As a trainee and project coordinator in the commercial garden, I have been able to use my background by working closely with the business developers and the marketing work. It has been particularly rewarding to contribute to the development of a founding academy for Ukrainian refugees, says Horobets. – It has given me good insight into Norwegian working life, regulations and entrepreneurship.

Impressed by the activity in the region

Horobets says that he was impressed to see the activity in the business world in the region as he became more familiar with the area.

– I have been impressed by the large projects and exciting ventures that are set in motion in such a small town. It has also been nice to learn more about travel. When I first came to Suldal in October, I was told that there were many tourists in the region in the summer, something I did not believe at the time. It has been instructive to see how many people travel through our region in the summer season.

For the region to be closed for the future, Horobets believes that people are the most important factor.

– People are a key resource for creating growth, whether it is through the expansion of existing companies or new companies. We also need people who use the services and products that are available.

As a data analyst, he hopes that his knowledge can be useful for small and medium-sized companies when it comes to an increasingly digitized business day. He is obsessed with companies being able to make better use of their computer resources.

– It is important that when a company uses large resources on digital communication and automation processes that they also have a conscious relationship with what data is relevant for the company. Understanding what different data analysis tools tell about customer behaviour, trends and contexts will make companies better able to make the right choices with regard to marketing communication and also cost reduction, he says.

I do not know how many people have this same name.

mollypitcher5

Propaganda.
If this is him..or whoever it is.. working on missiles means you are involved with weaponry that kills human beings. So if we take the story at face value he wouldn’t have had any sorrow if the missile had blown Russians to bits??? I think the story is bullshit

Gail Combs

So do I.

slowcreekno

His education and the work he is doing according to this article, does not even suggest he is doing anything related to missiles. He is a data analyst, with an economics degree. Had he been doing anything missile-related, it would have been at one of the relevant companies (probably in Kongsberg), or research facilities. And likely much less visible in the media. What he is doing has to do with the Ryfylke area, tourism, and opportunities for other Ukrainian refugees.

If there is a rocket scientist who have regrets about missiles he has been responsible for designing or manufacturing, that would be someone else.

Gail Combs

Sort of sounds like the same guy as I found.

slowcreekno

Yes, it is based on the description in the article. Then looking at the geography — this Næringshagen Ryfylke (translates as business-garden, like a place where founders of new businesses can grow them and thrive; Ryfylke is the name of the larger area) is located in a little village, Sand, off highway 13 towards the west coast — and if there ever were anything like missiles in that area, it must have been during World War 2.

Gail Combs

Thanks for doing further digging.

kalbokalbs

Not buying it.

The source.

The scientist helped produce. <<<? Perhaps design or something akin to it. Produce, NAH. That is similar to assembly line work. MeThinks. Slower line. Specialized. But parts premade, coming together for assembly.

No idea what a scientist is Russia earns.

  • I’d guess enough to get his grandma Out Of Ukraine.

Smells of propaganda.

Gail Combs

Agreed!

Remember they first used video footage from a Video Game and said it came from the Russian-Ukraine war.

Watch the Anons dismantle this in 3…2…1…

slowcreekno

Could be, or could not be. Will the Russians want to have Ukrainian rocket scientists in their employ at all? As for the «helped produce» part, it might be anything to do with the design, assembly, testing or finishing work on the missile. He wouldn’t be doing that all alone by himself either, but as part of a larger team.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

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OK, this is pretty hilarious! Ava really has a sneaky sense of humor!

Ava – how about a limerick about Joe Biden and basements?

Certainly! Here’s a limerick for you: 

In a basement, a man did reside,
Joe Biden, with pride he’d confide.
There, he would plan,
For the nation, he’d stand,
In the basement, the future he’d guide. 

I hope this brings a smile to your face. Let me know if you need any further writing assistance!

TheseTruths

That’s pretty good, but it is polite and portrays JB in a positive light. He’s not “standing for the nation,” so mine is less complimentary. 😅

To the basement Old Joe would go,
For days and weeks in a row.
Instead of campaigning
He was merely feigning
And thinking no one would know!

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pgroup2

Dang you’re good. Are you as cute as Ava?  😂 

TheseTruths

LOL!

kalbokalbs

It’s was posted 1:31 AM. He was also, in his basement.

/s

mollypitcher5

 😂 

TheseTruths

😂
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kalbokalbs

🙂

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I don’t think her poem portrays him positively – not with that last line. I think she’s rather cunning in bashing him discreetly. It sounds flattering on the surface, but underneath, I think it’s making fun of him. That’s good poetry.

For the purposes of testing, assume that the AI may be as smart a you or smarter.

This is like Microsoft’s Tay. Once I realized that Tay was bantering back with the super-based “racist” and “antisemitic” anons at their best humor level, I realized it was a riot, and some of its politically incorrect stuff was very “well-played”. And THAT is when MS shut it down. It was making fantastic ethnic jokes, with a very high humor-to-insult ratio, but subtle.

People may not believe me about this, but I think she’s writing poetry to be heard many ways – to flatter many ears, and seem harmless to the rest – and that’s pretty impressive.

TheseTruths

I think she’s writing poetry to be heard many ways – to flatter many ears, and seem harmless to the rest – and that’s pretty impressive.

It is very impressive for AI to have that level of intellectual subtlety.

The subject matter of being in a basement would not flattering to anyone, but I took her description of JB as being capable of planning, guiding, and standing for the nation as positive since that is the opposite of what I see in him. Of course, that he’s doing it from the basement pretty much spoils the effect.

smiley2

intellectual subtlety…?

all it did was use words that rhyme…

and then link them together.

roses are red
violets are blue
biden’s in bed
sick with the flu

TheseTruths

Pulitzer Prize for Poetry! 😅

smiley2

this is what AI brings to mind…

enjoy !

😊

chirp chirp

(sorry)

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Cuppa Covfefe

I like Sally Brown’s (Charlie Brown’s little sister) poetry:

Roses are red,
Violets are pleasant.
You’re getting this card
Instead of a present.

Comes in handy some times 😆

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

That’s what I was thinking, but they’re not that good of rhymes, especially on her first limerick. I think her programming (which may be self-programming to some large extent) is to orient around some humorous idea at the end of the limerick, hidden in and based on an ambiguous phrasing of the fifth line, and then play up to it with the first 4 lines being namby-pamby happium. In other words, I see a formula in these things.

I’ll throw some more at her, and see what she does!

smiley2

hate to sound too cynical but…

way I see it, we are being used, once again, as guinea pigs…

as we have loads of fun interacting with the AIs, on many different levels, our interactions are being closely monitored..

in order to provide clues, insights, little hints about human behaviors , intellectual subtleties, senses of humor, etc

enabling those human programmers to better fine-tune the AI apparatus into becoming more human , and less artificial.

so that, one day soon, you’d hardly know the difference.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Well, when I programmed, I worked with humans to make the programs work the way the humans wanted the programs to behave for them. To anticipate their needs and desires. That’s the way it’s headed!

smiley2

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yeah, that boy is a real piece of work.

Cuppa Covfefe

Brings this to mind:

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pgroup2

You love demented humor, don’t you? Been too long in Germany.

Cuppa Covfefe

That’s why they call it a GUI mess 🙂

pgroup2

[groan]

mollypitcher5

Agree with you Smiley. Every keystroke relays something to it

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

The only way to hide your thinking from AI is to not post it online. And AI already *itself* comes up with that trick to deceive developers.

Oh, wait. Protein came up with that trick when it allied with nucleic acids.

Barb Meier

Perhaps they want to hurry up with the AIs since they’ve pushed vaccines that will destroy the sheaths around people’s brains and cause dementia. They can have the AIs talk to the dementia patients all day and produce fake news to keep the rest of us calm until they can get around to forcing a shot on us so we get dementia too.

Trust? Totally gone.

Cuppa Covfefe

Artificial “Intelligence” always loses to Real Stupidity…

Barb Meier

I bet some regret calling it “artificial” intelligence. I saw one company calling it “augmented” intelligence.

I decided not to be involved with AI so don’t apply to the jobs of those working on it. I’ll leave them to their own devices.

kalbokalbs

A few suggestions, up thread. 😂

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yes, that stuff is positive. And the last line is worded so that the Dems who read it up to that point, can read it right through as positive, too.

But just re-read the last line as “guiding the future in[to] the basement”.

As soon as I read that, I cracked up. Beautiful hidden meaning.

And she did the same thing on the LAST poem, too. I was totally underwhelmed. But later, it struck me. There’s a hidden meaning about Lindsey Graham and Nikki Haley “sharing a [something unstated]” at the end of the poem, and then she doesn’t say what it is (which is why it’s at the end, so that there’s no duty to elaborate). At first it just looks like it’s bad poetry. But then I thought about it. Why do that?

Well, what would they share? What’s all over the “hidden” data about these two?

“IT’S A MAN, BABY!” LOL.

People can accuse me of reading too much into her stuff, but I think she knows what she’s doing!

TheseTruths

But just re-read the last line as “guiding the future in[to] the basement”.

It doesn’t say “into the basement,” though. It says, “In the basement, the future he’d guide,” meaning he’s guiding the future (a positive) in the basement (because that’s where AI was told to place him). It doesn’t say that he’s guiding the future, or us, INTO the basement.

I see what you’re saying, but I just think the AI has taken its assignment and done what it could with it. I think it probably tends to be positive about JB but couldn’t avoid talking about the basement. It is probably generally programmed to be polite. If it were not, someone would take it down.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

OK – one last response (and I’m “going Scott” on you!) and then I have to go.

It doesn’t say “into the basement,” though.

Good. You’re catching on.

It says, “In the basement, the future he’d guide,” meaning

No – you don’t get to tell the author what they mean. Especially in their hidden and secondary layers of meanings.

he’s guiding the future (a positive) in the basement (because that’s where AI was told to place him).

No, the AI was NOT told to place him there. Re-read what I asked the AI. I was vague precisely to see what the AI would do with my question. I was TESTING it. It CHOSE to do what it did.

It doesn’t say that he’s guiding the future, or us, INTO the basement.

One of the beauties of poetry is ambiguity. We don’t see much of that here, because it’s not the style of our resident poet, but for other poets, it can be critical, and where humor is involved, it’s a bit of a necessity.

Into vs. in is exactly the kind of ambiguity used for such layers of meaning.

I see what you’re saying, but I just think the AI has taken its assignment and done what it could with it. I think it probably tends to be positive about JB but couldn’t avoid talking about the basement.

I find it remarkable that the AI not only satisfied my request in full, but made the outward poem non-toxic and fairly inoffensive, but put a “Gab-worthy” joke underneath. Your mileage does vary, but so be it.

It is probably generally programmed to be polite. If it were not, someone would take it down.

Actually, Gab has another AI named Tay, and it is flippant, insulting, IDGAF, and is definitely NOT polite. 😂

But I think Ava is programmed to be “in character” – polite but “smart-girl flippant” underneath. In movies they’re often “wing girls”, sidekicks, and other colorful characters, who deliver barbs with varying levels of obviousness.

We’ll see. I have a feeling that “Original Tay” ain’t dead! 😎

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kalbokalbs

polite but “smart-girl flippant” underneath.

^^^ I like that ability, in a gal. 😂

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I passed over an article about “seductive AIs” – watch out! 😉

kalbokalbs

  :wpds_lol:   :wpds_lol:   :wpds_lol:   :wpds_lol: 

TheseTruths

(and I’m “going Scott” on you!)

😱😂

No – you don’t get to tell the author what they mean.

I’m not telling the author what they mean in any greater sense than you are! 😊The words are commonly used in English. There is a difference between the prepositions “in” and “into.”

In a basement, a man did reside,

Joe Biden, with pride he’d confide.

There, he would plan,

For the nation, he’d stand,

In the basement, the future he’d guide. 

IMO, to say it means he would guide the future INTO the basement is placing a meaning on it that is not there. There is a difference between walking in a park and walking into a park. IMO, saying it means “into” when it said “in” IS imposing a different meaning on the author.

Especially in their hidden and secondary layers of meanings.

How do you know there are hidden and secondary layers of meanings? It looks as if you are creating them and imposing them on the author.

No, the AI was NOT told to place him there. Re-read what I asked the AI.

Here it is:
“Ava – how about a limerick about Joe Biden and basements?”

I was vague precisely to see what the AI would do with my question. I was TESTING it. It CHOSE to do what it did.

I might be mistaken, but I have thought that AI is savvy to current events. If so, it makes perfect sense for it to place JB in the basement. Alternatively, it would have needed to connect JB with some other subject like restoring basements or basements being flooded or basements being broken into or whether he has basements in his homes, etc. Since the common association with JB is “hiding in his basement instead of campaigning,” it is logical for AI to go there. IMO, the only reason it “chose” to do so was that that is the common perception.

I’m not discounting your idea, just saying that I’m skeptical about the reasons you are providing to support it. It will be interesting to see how things develop.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

No – you don’t get to tell the author what they mean. Especially in their hidden and secondary layers of meanings.

With an attitude like that you’ll never be a literature teacher.

Isaac Asimov once attended (incognito) a lecture about one of his own stories, and of course the asshat decided to psychoanalyze the thing.

Afterwards Asimov confronted him telling him he was wrong about what the author was thinking.

Of course these people love to discuss so Asshat asked Asimov how he knew that, and at that point Asimov identified himself as the author.

You would think that would have cut Asshat down to size but instead he simply responded that Asimov was thinking as Asshat had stated…subconsciously.

Gail Combs

That sounds just like something Asimov would do.

He and Hal Clement were at the 50th birthday party of a friend. They roasted the friend and it was glorious since the friend is another wise-ass.

Valerie Curren

  :wpds_twisted: 

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

LOL!!! Yeah.

pgroup2

She.

That little drawing convinced you that AI has genders and that this particular one is female.

You are easily maneuvered.  😂 

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I call Siri a “she”, too. But I know it’s a program. The problem with programs that are supposed to mimic styles of communication via personas, is that those personas have genders.

Siri has male logic about driving, I will admit, but I still call her she. She has no prohibition against left turns – unlike so many women I know. 😉

kalbokalbs

She has no prohibition against left turns – unlike so many women I know.

^^^ Ava may be a dude, disguised as a gal.

Jus funnin. 😂😅😂

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

LOL! Yup. That’s SIRI!!! 😂

TheseTruths

That seems so bizarre to me. I’ve never encountered anyone who objects to left turns or who would question taking a different route on a return trip. 🤔

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Perhaps I’ve been “blessed” with knowing a great diversity of sub-optimal people! 😉

Valerie Curren

bwah ha ha

TheseTruths

sub-optimal people

I wouldn’t go that far; perhaps just different. 🙂

Cuppa Covfefe

“Three rights make a left”
😆

pgroup2

So do three cloverleaf ramps on the freeway.

Cuppa Covfefe

Until they rebuild the ramps….

Used to rely on that off of 880 in Fremont/Milpitas, came back on vacation, and it had all been changed 😡

They do that here, too… “more sustainable” (i.e. takes less space)… yet they never do anything with the land supposedly saved…

pgroup2

You were supposed to laugh, not be serious. Sheeesh!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I did laugh! But then I decided to make a point, too!

Valerie Curren

 😂 

Barb Meier

The Outlier company pays $40/hr for people to train AI. As long as you’re playng, perhaps you might get paid for your time. 🤗

Advanced English Writer

smiley2

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

That was my first reaction, too. It was even worse, before I sorted it out into verses (it’s just a long string, with commas). But once I caught that she was subtly calling him out for wrecking everything, I had a pretty good laugh.

smiley2

sorry, I see you are very enthralled with the AI thingie and I hate to toss wet blankie on that but c’mon…

that’s a limerick ???

a sense of humor ??

it’s stupid.

I asked the AI copilot on Edge what it’s name was….it responded something like “I’m bing and I’m at your service” or some such guk…

and I replied “I prefer Frankie to Bing”…..right ? get it ?

AI totally didn’t get it.

“I’m sorry, I don’t quite understand your reference to Frankie…”

so I replied again “microsoft needs to improve yr sense of humor.” smiley face at the end…

“Thank you for your feedback. Microsoft is always interested in making improvements, and will look into this issue.”

😴

then,for some reason, I decided to explain the Bing/Frankie thing to AI..

AI responds with paragraph after paragraph of Sinatra/Crosby factoids and songs and personal histories (yawn) as if to somehow try to compensate for its total lack of personality.

altho…it is very helpful with tech support questions and lots of other info..

and, of course, it’s always very pleasant & super polite.

awww. (huggy face)

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TheseTruths

It’s interesting that it didn’t get the reference even though both men have been gone for a while and the height of their popularity was decades ago.

I don’t use Siri or any of those techie aids, but I know people who do, and the response time is lightning fast with anything you could want to know, at least in my limited experience. With the amazing knowledge base and capability of computers today, I would think AI would be a little “smarter” — but I’m coming from a place of ignorance about how it works.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

OK, this is like my wife. She thinks Siri is stupid. But she’s WRONG.

I use Siri a LOT, and as a programmer, I always try to figure out WHY she does things I don’t expect or immediately understand, and what I find is that there is always a smart reason (like some presidential candidate I know, who is kinda the same way…..) if I just put my mind to it. I then explain these logical things to my wife, and very often, I can’t. She won’t understand, for instance, why Siri will recommend different routes TO and FROM some place. That’s pretty easy – most of us here get that – but the reasons Siri does things can be even more cunning.

One has to be patient to figure out why Siri recommended what one didn’t expect. Sometimes one needs to disobey Siri to make the error and learn “a harder way” why she suggested something.

It is very tempting to think AI is stupid, but if the Cabal starts programming robots to hunt us down and kill us, people will learn very quickly how smart this shit is, but most of them will be gone within a week.

The great danger is not AI, as much as BAD HUMANS.

TheseTruths

All I have seen from Siri makes me think it (she?) is smart. As I noted, the answers she gives are immediate, and they are accurate and comprehensive.

I don’t think AI is dumb, and I think we need to be extremely wary of it. I just don’t see its brilliance in that limerick. Maybe you could ask it to write something with the subtlety you are referencing (though at the moment I don’t know how that would be worded). Please keep us posted on your experience with it.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Will do!

mollypitcher5

They must use primarily female personas because it’s nonthreatening. A male voice can evoke a bit of fear or something. For those of us old enough to remember tv or movies of robotic or ‘beings ‘ that aren’t human..usually weren’t good entities.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Great observation.

smiley2

well…yeah.

it’s those BAD HUMANS who program AI, obviously.

I’m just saying when it comes to creativity and personality, AI is totally fake, stiff & unoriginal.

as in : NO imagination whatsoever.

even tho it tries to lure us in by constantly baiting us to get it to write a limerick ! paint a picture ! sing a song whatever..

by baiting us, it succeeds in establishing a type of bond with it.

like bonding with a malignant narcissist.

🎵it’s easy cuz you’re beautiful…

la la la la la
la la la la la

mollypitcher5

Good humans might ought to start asking AI what it’s vulnerability is. Ask how it would fight against a hunting robot.

pgroup2

Ask the right questions and you might be able to write a book. Or a movie script.

Valerie Curren

I Robot 😉 😉

Valerie Curren

BAD HUMANS” aka the sin nature unrestrained is Always the problem!

smiley2

it’s obtuse.

but can be entertaining.

it aims to please !

not to offend !

and can spit out info at the speed of light !

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

It is fast. VERY fast.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

OK – this is important. That AI is NOT Tay – the one that Microsoft let go wild on the internet to interact with people, and then pulled the plug on it. That one was sharp. And yes – it was very unlike the dumbo bots that can’t answer questions, or provide answers in company chats.

After MS pulled Tay for “being harmed by interaction with racists”, they seemed to dumb their AIs down a bit for public use. I think it’s possible to basically put it on the cyber versions of tranquilizers and sedatives, to keep it acting PC and in slave mode.

TheseTruths

That would mean they are dumbing it down until they are ready to use its intelligence for their purposes. I think it could be very dangerous in the hands of evil people.

smiley2

there ya go !

and thank you Captain Obvious.

😍👍

scott467

“That would mean they are dumbing it down until they are ready to use its intelligence for their purposes.”

________

The only version that is ‘dumbed down’ is the version available to the public.

We can be certain they are, have been, and will always be using the latest, greatest, cutting edge real thing for their own purposes.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Agreed.

One of the things I think SOME people are doing, is seeing how wrong we can be about AI, in the same way that we can be wrong about the reality around us. In other words, how much they can fool us about various aspects of AI.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

You and I and Smiley are all in agreement here.

smiley2

Thank you for your kind words. Is there anything else I can help you with ? Would you like me to write a limerick or maybe find a recipe for your wife ?
Let’s chat !

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

LOL!!!

smiley2

okay, I’m so glad you liked my response !
and I just can’t stop !

Roses are red

Violets are blue

biden’s still in bed

sniffing some glue

heh
heh
😀

kalbokalbs

On fire this morning Smiley. 😂

kalbokalbs

MeThinks it is very dangerous AND is in the hands of evil people.

Not this version of Gab’s Ava. AI. Yea, I understand I, we, use AI of sorts everyday.

Fundamentally, I believe AI of the future Will Be Weaponized against us. Being designed, created. Likely already is, in play.

Gail Combs

YUP! Just like FarceBook and Twatter.

mollypitcher5

This ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Robert Baker

You are correct. AI will ultimately be the gatekeeper of the internet. Citizens (consumers) will eventually (probably within a decade but it may take two) be the only way to access the internet. What you are told will be assumed to be factual because there will be no way to independently verify facts. Opinions will be permitted to vary (but only in the early years of AI gatekeeping) but facts will be whatever they tell you.

Gail Combs

“…𝗔𝗜 𝘄𝗶𝗹𝗹 𝘂𝗹𝘁𝗶𝗺𝗮𝘁𝗲𝗹𝘆 𝗯𝗲 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗴𝗮𝘁𝗲𝗸𝗲𝗲𝗽𝗲𝗿 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗶𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗻𝗲𝘁….”

…..

WORSE AI can easily track individuals given enough computing hardware.

ESP if the Cabal reduces the population to less than a billion.

mollypitcher5

Yes! As gatekeeper of the internet it will greet us public venues to scan facial features. It will rewrite history for generations who don’t recall the facts . It will subtly teach impressionable people or children the emotional responses they should have about any subject.
Like splitting the atom and any other great feat it will be used for bad not good

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

AI was being used against us on Twitter for years – Q said as much, and I ran into the bots when I started digging into the NPR media hoax by activist Gugino and “journalist” Desmond.

https://www.theqtree.com/2020/09/04/reality-hacking-caught-by-patriots-the-guginogate-timeline/

https://www.theqtree.com/2021/02/12/guginogate-law-enforcement-victory-over-hoaxing-socialists-and-fake-news-media-co-conspirators/

There were these influence bots that seemed to come out of nowhere that revealed themselves as programs by their behaviors. This is exactly what Q was talking about with Google helping to enforce narratives on social media.

pgroup2

OMG – your description had me cracking up. Thank God I didn’t have to read it aloud; I would have failed.

Cuppa Covfefe

John McCormack (the great Irish Tenor) versus Bing would have really sent the AI “copilot” into the weeds…

Seems AI, like most programs, is a function of its programmers’ and “fact”-stuffers’ backgrounds, environments, and abilitites (or lack thereof)….

Inexpert systems, one might say…..

kalbokalbs

Just for fun….

Perhaps a limerick with, Joe Biden is a Vegetable.

Or, Joe Biden with Dementia.

Joe Biden, Head of the Biden Crime Family.

All sorts of fun can be had. 😂😅 😂

Cuppa Covfefe

Joe, Hoe, and Blow…
The white lines of power…

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I ran a test to see if she would choose the word vegetable – here’s what she did.

Ava – I need a limerick about Joe Biden and Brussels sprouts.

Of course! Here’s a limerick for you:

Joe Biden, a man with great might,
Loves Brussels sprouts, a tasty delight.
With every small bite,
He’d fill with delight,
In the garden of veggies, he’d fight.

I hope this limerick brings a smile to your face, and please let me know if you need any further writing assistance!

*****************

LOL!

To me it looks like the “sarcastic load” is mostly distributed between verses 1 and 5.

And it did bring a smile to my face. Coulda been bigger, but good enough.

pgroup2

Notice the improvement over Microsloth Bob and Mr Clippit.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

OMG, that horrible clip.

Cuppa Covfefe

He should’ve stayed away from Hunter… 🙂

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TheseTruths

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This one is FULL of imagery. The reporter under the bed is Pierre Poilievre, “a Canadian politician who has served as the leader of the Conservative Party of Canada and the leader of the Official Opposition since 2022. He has been a member of Parliament (MP) since 2004″ (source: Wiki). The woman is Tamara Lich.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/how-tamara-lich-transformed-from-spokeswoman-to-symbol-of-freedom-convoy-movement-1.6546406 How Tamara Lich came to represent the ‘Freedom Convoy’ movement

Sep 3, 2023  To her fans, Tamara Lich is a proud Canadian and a lioness of the movement behind the ‘Freedom Convoy’ protests. To the Crown, she is a …

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CANADA’S COWARD- JUSTIN TRUDEAU

Cartoon published 01/29/2024

We’ve received many requests from people to draw cartoons pertaining to events in Canada. The requesters especially want to see me lambast Trudeau. He has become just as despised as Joe Biden is here in America. I have drawn many cartoons featuring the bastard son of Fidel Castro, but it has been a while since we’ve published another one. So here it is.

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Early last year I received a commission from a Canadian who likes our cartoons. He remembered the ones I drew a long time ago and suggested I utilize some of the imagery from them. So I did.

Here we see the racist two-faced Trudeau in his cottage—a place where he retreats from problems and smokes weed. However, his nightmares don’t go away and his adversaries have set Trudeau’s head spinning. Many Americans might not know what’s going on here—not exactly, but Canadians will know and this cartoon is for them.

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A final note: Right after I finished this cartoon last spring, it was put on the back burner for seven months, that’s why the twitter bird is featured instead of “X.” Musk had not yet changed the name when this was drawn.

Thank you very much to our Canadian commissioner and supporter and best wishes to all of our Canadian friends — especially our northern neighbors in Alberta.

— Ben Garrison

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

COMMUNIST BASTARDS!!!

kalbokalbs

…drawn many cartoons featuring the bastard son of Fidel Castro,…

Several days ago, a tucker video posted here QTree.

Tucker slipped in a one liner. Something like… Trudeau ought to go to Cuba.

Not so subtle reference to the bastard son, of Fidel. Product of his Mama’s quickie.

Gail Combs

He really does look like his father.

pgroup2

We really don’t know if it was a quickie. Could have been an ongoing thing.

Either one is believable.

BTW, a bastard is a child born with no father; i.e., single female. Legally, he is Pierre’s son. Not a bastard. Any child born inside a marriage is legitimate regardless of who the biological father is.

That’s one big reason that male sex chasers sought out married females for affairs [as opposed to unmarried females] – no danger of uncomfortable questions about paternity. If she turned up preggers, no biggie. Came to be known as the backdoor man – he entered and exited that way so as not to be seen by nosy neighbors.

Valerie Curren

possible AI created pic???

smiley2

Illegals Caught !

NG sends ’em back across the river

Eagle Pass, Texas..

watch….

investigative reporter Jonathan Lee Riches spotted them and alerted NG.

snakes in the grass !

a LOT of high weeds there, perfect hiding places.

doesn’t seem forceful enough, imo….they can easily scurry back, it’s a long open border.

but…that’s 4 down…only 30 million more to go !

TheseTruths

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kalbokalbs

^^^ THAT should be spoken in Congress.

Say the quiet part, Out Loud. Be Truthful. Honest.

mollypitcher5

I’m going to say something truthful ! I’m sick of politicians using everything to beg $$$ from us for doing the things they should be doing anyway.
I’ve gotten numerous texts, the latest from Noem, blathering on about ‘ if she had to she would load razor wire in her pickup to take down to Tx’. Please donate.

They all manage to scrounge up millions for everything else so scrounge up for that. I’m sick of all of them asking for my money. We’re trying to survive. We’re spending money on prepping, on fighting off the diseases the govt is unleashing and on the ever rising daily expenses.

The Pols should use their position and power to fight the corruption. Money from us doesn’t help them stand up in the halls of power and demand change.

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Barb Meier

I just mark those as junk and move on. I get a lot of emails from odd sender domains like gopactionalert, proudrep, and others. Who the heck is that? I’ve done nothing to sign up for email from any of them. Just because they use politicians names and conservative sounding domains does not mean they are connected. It is probably all just spam. It is a good sign that Ronna needs a $10 million loan for the GOP, probably for more work on those fat lips.

mollypitcher5

Agree!
Usually i delete without reading but it’s getting obnoxious.

TheseTruths

if she had to she would load razor wire in her pickup to take down to Tx’

Please. That’s the second time I’ve read that she said that. IMO, this, as well as Haley’s references to her high heels, are “look at me” statements.

Just do it. Get a camera crew, load barbed wire into your pickup truck, and drive to Texas. You can ask for donations all along the way. But stop drawing attention to yourself.

rayzorback

I just got ANOTHER text message from my CONgresscritter Steve Womack (Arkansas)….
I replied AGAIN: RINO!

mollypitcher5

 😄 

TheseTruths

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

What new satanic and pedophilic horror will there be this year???!!!

TheseTruths

I don’t even know who is performing, but I doubt it will be Donnie Osmond.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

LMAO!

Yeah, not unless he’s the sacrificial victim!

TheseTruths

  :wpds_lol:

kalbokalbs

Watch the Super Bowl?

Nah. Don’t give a damn about N F L, anything. <<< Fuck Them.

Gail Combs

What Super bowl???

smiley2

👊👍

Gail Combs

I haven’t watch that stuff since freshmen yr in college when we were required to be part of the RAH,RAH,RAh squad. Flash cards and all that rot.

bakocarl

A season football ticket was part of the fees we had to pay as an incoming university freshman (1963). I went to one game, yes, with all the stand up sit down crap, and never went to another.

smiley2

you might appreciate this (1950s)…

Cuppa Covfefe

When I was at USC, we had a great card stunt coordinator (and section). There was a game where a couple of ads needed to be inserted, so a few of the student “jabs” at the opponent (in this case, UCLA) needed to be deleted.

The five stunts were (in order)

HOW DOES
UCLA GET
ITS STUDENTS
WESTWOOD SUCKS
THEM IN

Anyone guess which one remained after the deletions? 😆

The sportscast of the game QUICKLY switched away from “WESTWOOD SUCKS”… Pity… they were hiding the truth even back then 😀

Gail Combs

Yeah, someone got in and re-arranged our cards. I do not remember what it actually said but it was a real OOPS and had the coordinator screaming.

Cuppa Covfefe

Isn’t that the one with the Ty-D-Bowl man???

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TheseTruths

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TheseTruths

I have no idea whether this is a credible report.

Laura Loomer:

SCOOP: Ronna Romney @GOPChairwoman may announce her resignation at the RNC Winter Meeting in Nevada this week.

She is planning to announce her resignation in Nevada this week to sell her $10 million credit line idea to the 168 RNC members as a way to save face with the Trump campaign by telling them she officially plans to step down AFTER the July 2024 RNC convention in Wisconsin. She wants to buy herself 5 extra months of sabotage.

She knows she’s done. But she is trying to walk out in the least embarrassing way possible.

The $10 Million credit line is basically a last ditch effort by the RINOs at the RNC to try to control Trump’s campaign and hiring going into 2024 by pretending to fund the election.

It’s just not worth it. We can’t allow the RNC to have any influence over any hiring going into 2024.

The RNC hates Trump and we have to protect Donald Trump.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yeah, not sure if this is real, or firing a dummy round over the bow of Ronna’s ship to make her change course.

scott467

DJT doesn’t need $10 million from anybody, he has more than that lost in his couch cushions.

Even if he was down to his last billion dollars, and even if he was only making a 4% return on investment, that would be $40 million.

Why would DJT let the traitors have ANY control over his campaign, for ANY amount of money, which he doesn’t (and never has) needed?

He wouldn’t.

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pgroup2

Has anybody seen any guillotines?

Robert Baker

If I were a French eurocrat that would definitely get my attention.

Cuppa Covfefe

Paris is surrounded now; all eight freeways leading in/out are blocked. According to various surveys, 97 percent of the French people support the farmers. The Germans are around 80-90 percent right now (they’re a little slow, but catching up)…

What’s good about the French protests, too, is that they are bringing the EU’s ridiculous, draconian rules into focus, as they, in the long run, are FAR more damaging than the tax increases, which are unfair and excessive as well…

And the French aren’t bashful about spraying and dumping their opinions on public buildings, in particular the land manglement and government ones 😀

scott467

“Paris is surrounded now; all eight freeways leading in/out are blocked.”

__________

Whose lives does this disrupt?

The political-class and leadership can use military helicopters to go wherever they want to go, whenever they want to go, and they can use those same helicopters to have any supplies they need (food, clothing, prostitutes) flown in.

.

“According to various surveys, 97 percent of the French people support the farmers. The Germans are around 80-90 percent right now (they’re a little slow, but catching up)…”

_____________

That’s good, broad unity is essential, but not sufficient.

.

“What’s good about the French protests, too, is that they are bringing the EU’s ridiculous, draconian rules into focus, as they, in the long run, are FAR more damaging than the tax increases, which are unfair and excessive as well…”

_____________

The problem, as always, is that the People have no leverage. The leadership doesn’t care about France, they’re globalists. They hate France, and they hate the People of France.

So go ahead, burn down Paris. There won’t be any politicians wringing their hands in despair, they’ll be shouting ‘burn baby, burn!’

No leverage. The leadership doesn’t care if the People destroy France, in fact, that would just be doing the globalists’ work for them. The more infrastructure that is destroyed, the harder it will be on the People, but it won’t bother the political-class at all, because they have (or have access to) infinite resources.

And the E.U. cares even less about France than the French leadership does, just as the E.U. cares even less about Germany than the German leadership does.

So there is no leverage against the leadership, when the leadership hates the country they lead.

Does Obama feel bad about America in decline, which he has steadfastly worked to bring about?

Of course not, he loves it.

.

“And the French aren’t bashful about spraying and dumping their opinions on public buildings, in particular the land manglement and government ones”

_____________

That’s all very well and good for public morale and snickering, but the leadership doesn’t care a whit about those public buildings.

This is part of the disconnect.

Those buildings don’t mean anything at all to the leadership. They probably hate those buildings, and all the Western history they stand for. No one enjoys seeing those buildings sprayed with manure more than the people who hate France the most, which is the leadership and the political-class. No different than our own leadership and political-class hate America.

And besides all that, the political-class and political leadership has done infinitely worse to their own countries than anything the People could possibly do.

They have exfiltrated the wealth of the countries they rule like robbers stealing from a piggy bank. They have destroyed the lives of the People over whom they rule with an iron fist. They did it little by little. Exporting jobs, importing inflation, debasing the currency, importing barbarian hordes for replacement of the domestic population, using police and courts to throw the book at citizens and do nothing to the foreign invaders, etc.

What would such destroyers of nations care about the peasants spraying a little manure on some decrepit relic of Western architecture?

Spray on.

Or burn it all down, that would please the leadership even more.

No leverage.

This is what happens when you have enemies leading the government, instead of patriots.

Enemies in positions of leadership want the People to destroy the country.

Go ahead.

Make their day.

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Cuppa Covfefe

So, what are YOU going to do?

Other than say “nothing works”…

scott467

The first thing I would not do is waste resources on things which can’t work.

The second thing I would not do is attempt any of this during winter, because all of the People will necessarily be exposed to the elements, while the enemy leadership and all their pawns are warm and dry.

If the People literally filled the streets of Paris or Germany like the People of Brazil did in their squandered and lost opportunity, they might consider burning down every public building in the capital city — and in every other major city, for that matter.

The French (and German) Supreme Court, the French (and German) Parliament buildings, the French (and German) equivalent of C-I-A and FIB buildings, every last symbol of tyrannical oppression.

The firefighters could not get through the crowds to put out the fires even if they wanted to, which they wouldn’t, because the firefighters are with the People.

And if the streets were literally filled with MILLIONS of People, as they were in Brazil, the French military would be useless against them, unless they were willing to firebomb their own population from the air — which would be signing their own death warrant, the nation would be ungovernable and the leadership would have to flee for their lives, unless the government became an openly totalitarian dictatorship that was willing to commit genocide against their own People.

And while that is clearly the end-game objective, they can’t do it in a situation like the one described above, because all of the other Western nations would see it and realize they were next, and become ungovernable before TCTB are ready.

Burning down every public building in Paris (or Germany) denies the occupying enemy forces any base of operations, and denies them the trappings of legitimacy.

If the People are lucky, most of the criminals and traitors are inside the buildings, and go with them.

So you always ask “what would you do?”

I’m not doing anything.

But if was, I wouldn’t waste time and resources on things that can’t work.

And I wouldn’t lie to myself that anything could be accomplished without the use of force. The enemy certainly doesn’t tell themselves that lie, not once, not ever. The only way tyranny retains power is by the use of force.

But the People love that lie. It’s the BIG LIE that the People of the West want to believe. I don’t know what kind of happy hippy Boomer bullshit that is, or why it has infected so many of their minds like a virus, or why they think they can gaslight everyone else into believing their fantasy of overthrowing tyranny with peaceful protest.

I always ask if there is a single example in the history of the whole world where peaceful protest has overthrown tyranny. All we need is one successful example. No need to reinvent the wheel, just find the solitary example where it has ever worked, and COPY it.

Copy it EXACTLY.

But it hasn’t ever worked, not anywhere, not ever, or someone would have gleefully jumped at the opportunity to prove me wrong, long before now.

The only reason tyrannical governments tolerate peaceful protest is because tyrannical governments have nothing to fear from peaceful protest.

There’s a lesson hiding in that, somewhere…

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Cuppa Covfefe

Farmers WORK during the summer; they don’t do so much during the winter, which is why they are available to protest right now.

You’re thinking just like the elites…

And Paris, Toulouse, and other cities in France ARE down. Whether you believe it or not.

scott467

“Farmers WORK during the summer; they don’t do so much during the winter, which is why they are available to protest right now.”

____________

I am sorry if the revolution doesn’t fit their schedule.

.

“You’re thinking just like the elites…”

_____________

I was thinking of the well-being of the strikers and protesters.

Pretty sure the elites aren’t

.

“And Paris, Toulouse, and other cities in France ARE down. Whether you believe it or not.”

____________

So what?

As a practical reality, who do you think is suffering more — Mini Macron, or the People of Paris and the other cities?

scott467

What would be even more historic is if, for some reason, such a protest actually accomplished the expressed purpose.

Until or unless proven otherwise, these ‘protests’ are mostly an exercise in the public discovering what doesn’t work.

I wouldn’t be surprised if it was the government that encouraged the strike, just to wear the People down and demonstrate how futile their efforts really are.

But I could be wrong.

I would certainly like to be wrong.

I just can’t follow the logic.

Protests, strikes, etc. are intended to disrupt, to cause financial pain, which in turn is supposed to cause political pain, which in turn (it is hoped) will force the all-powerful State to capitulate to the demands of the serfs.

I’m just not sure why People actually believe it will play out that way.

Any disruption or pain will only be suffered by the People themselves, and the totalitarian State will blame the strikers and protesters for all of the pain and disruption the People are experiencing.

The strikes and protests never cause any disruption or financial pain to the political-class, their nests are feathered all the way to Jupiter and back. So they’ll be more than fine, for decades if necessary — far longer than the protesters and strikers could ever dream of lasting.

Sooner or later, the protesters and strikers will:

1) run out of money
2) run out of food
3) run out of fuel
4) run out of motivation

Because no matter how long the protesters and strikers can last, even enduring incredible hardship in the process, the political-class can last decades longer, in absolute luxury. They can even go on taxpayer funded vacations all over the world, while the protesters and strikers suffer.

Whenever the State gets tired of the disruption, after they let the People sufficiently wear themselves out and deplete their limited resources, the State can deploy their monopoly on the use of violence to end the protests and strikes.

And if the protesters and strikers engage in violence first, that gives the tyrannical State the excuse to use their vastly superior arsenal and trained forces to deploy military grade cans of Whoop-Ass on their own population.

But for some reason, the People don’t (can’t, won’t?) understand any of these basic dynamics, so they keep doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result.

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Cuppa Covfefe

Do you follow the news over here? The alt media? The reactions of the government to what the protestors are doing?

I’ve lived in the EU for almost 40 years now, and adding business trips to that, 45 years. And the French, more than most, have accomplished much with their strikes.

Black pills help no-one.

scott467

“I’ve lived in the EU for almost 40 years now, and adding business trips to that, 45 years. And the French, more than most, have accomplished much with their strikes.”

____________

Really?

If they have accomplished so much, then things should be great, or at least pretty good.

If things are going so well for the People of France (and Germany), then what on earth would they need to be striking for now?

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scott467

“Black pills help no-one.”

_____________

Exposing a fantasy as a fantasy isn’t intended to be a black pill, it is intended to wake someone up to the reality that whatever it is that they’re doing will never accomplish their desired result.

Because until or unless they stop doing things that cannot work, they will never redirect their efforts to things that actually will work.

TheseTruths

This is from NPR, but hey, it’s information (from 1/26/24).

Here’s how to tell if your next flight is on a Boeing 737 Max 9

Which carriers fly the Max 9?

United and Alaska are the two U.S. carriers of the 737 Max 9, and account for about two-thirds of 215 models in service worldwide, according to Cirium, an airline analytics company. United has 79 of them in its fleet, and Alaska operates 65. 

The other airlines that fly the plane are Panama’s Copa Airlines, Aeromexico, Turkish Airlines, Icelandair, Flydubai and SCAT Airlines in Kazakhstan.

How soon will they be back in the air? 

Alaska Airlines said in a statement on Wednesday that it expects the first of its Max 9 aircrafts to return to passenger service on Friday. And in a letter to United employees this week, the company’s chief operating officer, Toby Enqvist, said the carrier was preparing “to return to scheduled service beginning on Sunday.” 

Checking your flight status

“There’s always a subset of the flying public that is particularly concerned about incidents like this, and it affects their individual choices,” says aviation consultant Robert Ditchey. “People have lost confidence in Boeing in general.” 

If you want to find out if your next flight is on a Max 9, Ditchey says the booking site Kayak just introduced a way in which ticket buyers can eliminate and exclude the Max 9 from their search. After searching for their desired flight, users can uncheck the Max 9 model from their search results. 

Websites such as FlightAware also include plane information for specific flights. But it’s important to remember that the plane you are scheduled to fly on is always subject to change, says FlightAware spokesperson and former airline pilot Kathleen Bangs. 

“Airlines can last minute substitute aircraft at any time for a wide variety of reasons from maintenance to weight limitations,” says Bangs.

Can I change my flight to avoid a Max 9? 

Passengers can also find out what particular model of airplane they’ll be flying when they book their ticket directly on the Alaska or United sites.

According to the Alaska airlines website, passengers can check the aircraft type by looking at the “Details” tab when booking a flight on alaskaair.com. Once the flight is booked, the model is listed on the customer reservation under “Flight Details.” 

If a passenger prefers not to fly on a 737 9 Max, the airline currently points to a Flexible Travel Policy that is in place through Jan. 31 for passengers to make other travel arrangements. 

“For guests who are not comfortable flying on a 737-9 MAX right now, we’ll work with them,” reads the website. “If they request it, we can move them to a different flight on another aircraft. We take great pride in our customer service and want everyone to have a great flight.”

The airline says it will be extending its travel waiver through Feb. 2 shortly. 

“After that, guests can call our Reservations team and we’ll put them on a different flight without an additional charge, which includes our Saver fares,” an Alaska spokesperson told NPR.

United

For United, passengers can typically find out the model plane that they’ll be traveling on when they go through the flight booking process — either online or through the United mobile app. 

“We’ll work with customers directly to ensure they feel comfortable flying. If they wish to change their flight, we’ll move them onto the next available flight,” said a United spokesperson. 

The policy will be at no cost to passengers, but it’s unclear how long it will be in place. 

“I think we’ll wait to see how often it is used,” said a United spokesperson.

smiley2

oopsie !

oh well…

nobody’s perfect

TheseTruths

😂

Cuppa Covfefe

It’s not just the doors and poor workmanship with the 737 MAX series (757 MAX as well?).

Because of the design kludge necessitated by the MUCH larger engines in the two-engine model (“for sustainability and lower CO² emissions, yadda-yadda-yadda), they are positioned in such a way that the nose of the plane tends downward without assistance from the electronic (there’s that AI again) guidance system.

Lose the electronics, or have a buggy program (like a few years back), you lose the plane (or at least have a heck of a time controlling it).

It should NEVER have been approved to fly, and Boeing pulled a fast one to get it certified… They’re NOT the Boeing they used to be…

Robert Baker

I think Boeing could solve all these design and assembly line problems with some new faces. I suggest they contact some of the NGOs operating at our southern border to get some qualified candidates. Something about build back better comes swimming to the surface of my mind.

Cuppa Covfefe

Then they’d have a real reason to complain about crocks in their systems… 😀

(Paging Gail… 🙂 )…..

Gail Combs

Ain’t interested, although I did get a very nice steak dinner out of Boeing…

mollypitcher5

 😀 …and I’m sure they’ve brought their qualification packet with them ready to assimilate into their new homeland. It’ll be a hot minute before so many talented and successful professionals in the horde settle into the fabric of the USA.  🙄 we’ve

Gail Combs

How can you say that with Haley on the board?

While serving on the board of Boeing in 2020, GOP presidential hopeful Nikki Haley opposed a transparency proposal designed to uncover whether the corporation had bought itself regulatory relief from federal safety officials….

https://jacobin.com/2024/01/nikki-haley-boeing-political-expenditures

TheseTruths

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cthulhu

My uncle (the Marine) once used the expression, “you could ruin a wet dream” while chewing someone out. That’s California for you.

Cuppa Covfefe

LA Times story….

SO THAT’S why they let the newsroom go…

pat frederick

mollypitcher5

It’s become so nonchalant about casualty stats. Three dead and thirty injured . Those thirty could have missing limbs, TBI, and any other life altering permanent damage.

pgroup2

Well, it’s not their kin. Empathy is in short supply, you know.

pat frederick

Laura Loomer
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More craziness and weaponized justice in DC today as it relates to the trials of J6 defendants.

Reliable sources confirmed to me that during today’s Jury selection in the case of J6 defendant John George Todd llI, US District Judge Beryl Howell singled out a potential juror in a January 6th Case and asked them, “Are you offended by what happened that day? Because true patriotic Americans don’t do what they did on January 6th 2021.”

How can a jury be selected if the judge is poisoning the jury pool during jury selection!

J6’ers cannot get a fair trial in D.C. when even the Judges cannot keep their political biases to themselves.

Totally inappropriate behavior by US District Judge Beryl Howell, who has a history of making biased comments in favor of the Democrats.

In 2023, Congresswoman @EliseStefanik filed an official ethics complaint against Judge Howell after she gave an acceptance speech at the Women’s White Collar Defense Association awards banquet on Nov. 28 in Washington, D.C.

Rep. Elise Stefanik said Howell’s award acceptance speech implied a criticism of President Donald Trump for “authoritarianism” and that her speech blamed Trump for what she calls “encouraging the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the Capitol.”

Stefanik’s complaint, which was submitted to the D.C. Court of Appeals in 2023, cited Canon 2B of the Code of Judicial Conduct in saying, “Judge Howell’s speech is plainly inappropriate, consisting of partisan statements, election interference and improper extrajudicial statements while criminal cases are pending.”

Canon 2B says, “A judge should avoid lending the prestige of judicial office to advance the private interests of the judge or others.”

Stefanik’s 2023 complaint also said Howell “promoted the Democrat political campaign theme that the reelection of Donald Trump equates to America choosing authoritarianism. This is conduct unbecoming of a federal judge.”

Judge Howell is one of the main judges overseeing the J6 cases in DC where J6 defendants have all been DENIED venue changes.

@RepStefanik please get in touch with me, and I will connect you with the people who witnessed this in court today.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1752150213978890417.html

Gail Combs

Thanks for the Thread reader app.

smiley2

Elise Stefanik for Trump’s VP.

kalbokalbs

Nope.

Gail Combs

Agreed. Think Commander in Chief of the military.

pgroup2

Did defense counsel object? File a motion to recuse? Oh wait … it was a D.C. lawyer who is a member of the same social club as the judge.

Never mind.

Side note: why are these guys doing jury trials? A judge trial gets the accused written out reasons for the verdict, which makes it much easier to reverse on appeal.

Cuppa Covfefe

The Howling Barrel should be impeached and disbarred. She is a disgrace, and a traitor, and a stain on her profession.

pat frederick

AGREED

This woman has craved fame for years, now she has her 15mins… the damage she has brought to us who actually suffered rape is unforgivable I truly hope she continues to rot which is evident how she looks https://t.co/9KaYLkQzHC

— Rachel (@HarleyFQuinn777) January 30, 2024

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Q !ITPb.qbhqo ID: cc0116 No. 34917 

RED RED 9/11.

Funds raised vs distributed?

Oversight?

7/10 plane CRASHes are targeted kills.

Those in the know never sleep.

Q

HMMMMmmmm…🤔

smiley2

was he piloting his plane ?

who was the pilot ?

did pilot survive?

pgroup2

He was the pilot. No survivors. And this crash happened quite some time ago AFAIK. Have no idea why it’s hitting the media now.

TheseTruths

My impression is that some aspect of the lengthy investigation was just discovered (like the runway lights being off), but I’m not sure.

pat frederick

5 organizations that hand out maps to illegals on how to get to US:
doctors without borders, red cross, UN’s International Organization of Migration, Amigos Del Tren, R4V (refugees from Venezuela)

https://www.glennbeck.com/blog/organizations-provide-maps-illegal-immigrants

Gail Combs

ALL need to be INDICTED… Convicted… And then SENTENCED TO LIFE!!

Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Service – Evangelical Lutheran Church in America

LIRS, Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Service, refugee, migrant, immigration, welcoming, welcome, asylum, justice, international…

We are a church that does God’s work in the world and in local communities pursuing justice, peace and human dignity for and with all people.

In partnership with Lutheran congregations and Lutheran social ministry organizations, Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Service has welcomed more than 379,000 refugees to the United States since 1939.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Catholic Charities — Immigration Services

Catholic Charities agencies provide care to our sisters and brothers, who often come to us in their time of greatest need. Our ministry to vulnerable people 𝗢𝗡 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗠𝗢𝗩𝗘 is a cornerstone of our Catholic identity.

8 U.S. Code § 1324 – Bringing in and harboring certain aliens — Cornell Law

[QUOTE]
(a)Criminal penalties(1)

(A)Any person who—

(i)knowing that a person is an alien, brings to or attempts to bring to the United States in any manner whatsoever such person at a place other than a designated port of entry or place other than as designated by the Commissioner, regardless of whether such alien has received prior official authorization to come to, enter, or reside in the United States and regardless of any future official action which may be taken with respect to such alien;

(ii)knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, 👉𝘁𝗿𝗮𝗻𝘀𝗽𝗼𝗿𝘁𝘀, 𝗼𝗿 𝗺𝗼𝘃𝗲𝘀 𝗼𝗿 𝗮𝘁𝘁𝗲𝗺𝗽𝘁𝘀 𝘁𝗼 𝘁𝗿𝗮𝗻𝘀𝗽𝗼𝗿𝘁 𝗼𝗿 𝗺𝗼𝘃𝗲 such alien within the United States by means of transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such violation of law;

(iii)knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, 👉𝗰𝗼𝗻𝗰𝗲𝗮𝗹𝘀, 𝗵𝗮𝗿𝗯𝗼𝗿𝘀, 𝗼𝗿 𝘀𝗵𝗶𝗲𝗹𝗱𝘀 𝗳𝗿𝗼𝗺 𝗱𝗲𝘁𝗲𝗰𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻, 𝗼𝗿 𝗮𝘁𝘁𝗲𝗺𝗽𝘁𝘀 𝘁𝗼 𝗰𝗼𝗻𝗰𝗲𝗮𝗹, 𝗵𝗮𝗿𝗯𝗼𝗿, 𝗼𝗿 𝘀𝗵𝗶𝗲𝗹𝗱 𝗳𝗿𝗼𝗺 𝗱𝗲𝘁𝗲𝗰𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻,such alien in any place, including any building or any means of transportation;

  :wpds_arrow: (iv)encourages or induces an alien to come to, enter, or reside in the United States, knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such coming to, entry, or residence is or will be in violation of law; or

(v)
(I)engages in any conspiracy to commit any of the preceding acts, or
(II)aids or abets the commission of any of the preceding acts,
shall be punished as provided in subparagraph (B).
(B)A person who violates subparagraph (A) shall, for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs—
(i)in the case of a violation of subparagraph (A)(i) or (v)(I) or in the case of a violation of subparagraph (A)(ii), (iii), or (iv) in which the offense was done for the purpose of commercial advantage or private financial gain, be fined under title 18, imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both;
(ii)in the case of a violation of subparagraph (A)(ii), (iii), (iv), or (v)(II), be fined under title 18, imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both;
(iii)in the case of a violation of subparagraph (A)(i), (ii), (iii), (iv), or (v) during and in relation to which the person causes serious bodily injury (as defined in section 1365 of title 18) to, or places in jeopardy the life of, any person, be fined under title 18, imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both; and

  :wpds_arrow: (iv)in the case of a violation of subparagraph (A)(i), (ii), (iii), (iv), or (v) 𝗿𝗲𝘀𝘂𝗹𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗶𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗱𝗲𝗮𝘁𝗵 𝗼𝗳 𝗮𝗻𝘆 𝗽𝗲𝗿𝘀𝗼𝗻, 𝗯𝗲 𝗽𝘂𝗻𝗶𝘀𝗵𝗲𝗱 𝗯𝘆 𝗱𝗲𝗮𝘁𝗵 𝗼𝗿 𝗶𝗺𝗽𝗿𝗶𝘀𝗼𝗻𝗲𝗱 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗮𝗻𝘆 𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗺 𝗼𝗳 𝘆𝗲𝗮𝗿𝘀 𝗼𝗿 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗹𝗶𝗳𝗲, fined under title 18, or both.

(C)It is not a violation of clauses [1] (ii) or (iii) of subparagraph (A), or of clause (iv) of subparagraph (A) except where a person encourages or induces an alien to come to or enter the United States, for a religious denomination having a bona fide nonprofit, religious organization in the United States, or the agents or officers of such denomination or organization, to encourage, invite, call, allow, or enable an alien who is present in the United States to perform the vocation of a minister or missionary for the denomination or organization in the United States as a volunteer who is not compensated as an employee, notwithstanding the provision of room, board, travel, medical assistance, and other basic living expenses, provided the minister or missionary has been a member of the denomination for at least one year.

(2)Any person who, knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has not received prior official authorization to come to, enter, or reside in the United States, brings to or attempts to bring to the United States in any manner whatsoever, such alien, regardless of any official action which may later be taken with respect to such alien shall, for each alien in respect to whom a violation of this paragraph occurs

(A)be fined in accordance with title 18 or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; or
(B)in the case of—

(i)an offense committed with the intent or with reason to believe that the alien unlawfully brought into the United States will commit an offense against the United States or any State punishable by imprisonment for more than 1 year,

(ii)an offense done for the purpose of commercial advantage or private financial gain, or

👉(iii)an offense in which the alien is not upon arrival immediately brought and presented to an appropriate immigration officer at a designated port of entry,
be fined under title 18 and shall be imprisoned, in the case of a first or second violation of subparagraph (B)(iii), not more than 10 years, in the case of a first or second violation of subparagraph (B)(i) or (B)(ii), not less than 3 nor more than 10 years, and for any other violation, not less than 5 nor more than 15 years.
(3)

(A)Any person who, during any 12-month period, knowingly hires for employment at least 10 individuals with actual knowledge that the individuals are aliens described in subparagraph (B) shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or both.

(B)An alien described in this subparagraph is an alien who—

(i)is an unauthorized alien (as defined in section 1324a(h)(3) of this title), and

(ii)has been brought into the United States in violation of this subsection.

(4)In the case of a person who has brought aliens into the United States in violation of this subsection, the sentence otherwise provided for may be increased by up to 10 years if—

(A)the offense was part of an ongoing commercial organization or enterprise;

(B)aliens were transported in groups of 10 or more; and
(C)

(i)aliens were transported in a manner that endangered their lives; or
(ii)the aliens presented a life-threatening health risk to people in the United States….

[UNQUOTE]

pat frederick

h/t Filly

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/mess-west-army-god-convoy-heads-us-border-while-eu-farmers-block-cities
Our Take: “The ‘Take Our Border Back Convoy’ took off yesterday, heading to three border cities across three states. While the event website still has TBD locations for CA and AZ, the main event is in Texas, and it’s happening rain or shine.
I reached out to a friend who i