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The Tower Of The Flock

I’ve been intrigued by the possibility of Migdal Eder, the Tower of the Flock near Bethlehem, being the actual birthplace of Jesus, rather than at a nondescript location in Bethlehem. At any rate, I think it’s interesting to consider Migdal Eder as at least a possibility, bordering on a probability. The following is a short presentation of that issue.

Dating as far back as Origen (early church father, 3rd century AD), tradition pointed to Migdal Eder as the birth place of the Savior. Constantine and Justinian, Roman emperors, built monuments on the spot where Migdal Eder was supposed to be – Justinian’s Basilica of the Nativity still stands today.


Jewish scholars (opinions based on Micah 4:8, other Scriptures, and oral tradition) considered Migdal Eder the place where the Messiah would be born.

(Just a quick aside in case you look up Micah 4:8. The verse uses the phrase “watchtower of the flock”; that is the translation of Migdal Eder. I won’t take the time to dissect this passage, but it’s definitely a reference to the coming of the Messiah.)


Mary and Joseph couldn’t get a room in the inn, but she was about to give birth. Where would be the best place to go? Where they knew other births were happening – albeit sheep. There were practical reasons for going there, but the simple truth is THAT is where God wanted His Son to be born. Why?

Because the flock of Bethlehem, only a few miles from Jerusalem, were the sheep used for proper sacrifices at the Temple in Jerusalem. Those sheep born at Migdal Eder were destined to be slaughtered one day as part of the divine instructions for temple worship! They were born to die as sacrifices!

So there’s Mary giving birth to the Son of God, born as the one sacrifice for sins forever (Hebrews 10:12); chances were there were a dozen or so pregnant ewes also ready to give birth. And what did Joseph do? He took the new-born Child and wrapped Him in swaddling clothes, the same clothes used to wrap those all-important new-born lambs. He laid Him in the manger.


The manger may have been a ‘feeding trough’ like we have always pictured it, but only full-term pregnant sheep would have been there. This wasn’t a barn to hold a bunch of animals, and the overwhelming majority of the flock of sheep would have been outside because the sheep in Bethlehem were kept outside 24 hours a day all year long. So Mary didn’t have to step over the donkey dung and sidestep the cows to give birth to the Son of God!

Also, the Greek word used for ‘manger’ in Luke 2 can be translated ‘stall’ (Luke13:15), ‘stable’ or even ‘crib’ – yes, a crib. In other words, Jesus may not necessarily have been placed in a feeding trough, but just laid down to sleep in the stall beside the other new-born lambs. Mary gave birth to a Lamb – THE Lamb – just like those pregnant ewes were doing. It was a clean place, a place designed to provide comfort and safety for these most-important lambs in all of Israel.


Shepherds were the lowest of Jewish society. They were not trusted – their testimony not usually permitted in court. If anything was ever stolen, there was an assumption that a shepherd did it. They were like modern-day gypsies, travelling to and fro – for obvious reasons.

They were always ceremonially unclean – handling dead animals, assisting in the birth of new ones, dealing with all manner of issues in the wilderness that would cause them to become and remain unclean. Because of the nature of their job, they would not be able to take the time to become clean.

Many suggest that God offered to them the first news of the Messiah’s birth because of society’s poor treatment of them.

But these shepherds were different.

Ever wonder how they knew where to go find the Babe? (Every time I’ve asked this in a Bible study, someone answers: “the star”. Not so, the Magi were following the star – not the shepherds.) They would have had to spend all night searching behind every inn in Bethlehem, looking for Mary, Joseph, and Jesus. But they knew where to go, because they knew the prophecies of Scripture and the traditions of the Jewish scribes.

These shepherds were specially trained shepherds who took their jobs seriously. They were in charge of the flock in Bethlehem that supplied the Temple sacrifices. They knew the Law; they understood how important it was for the sacrificial lambs to be spotless and perfect. They would have protected those animals and would have especially made sure that the new-borns were taken care of. When the angels came and told them of the Messiah’s birth, they didn’t have to tell them where to go look, because they already knew where to look – at Migdal Eder!


God is specific. He wouldn’t waste this opportunity to just let His Son be born in any old barn. The symbolism is so obvious and so strong. THE Lamb of God, the One who would be sacrificed for our sin, was born where THE ACTUAL lambs were born who were sacrificed for the sins of the Jews at the Jerusalem Temple as prescribed by God’s Law.

I’m not suggesting we throw away our nativity scenes. But I am concerned that our traditional view of the Savior’s birth in Bethlehem has robbed us of the tremendous spiritual truth of God’s foreshadowing His Son’s death by orchestrating His birth at Migdal Eder, the ‘tower of the flock’ at Bethlehem.

A more detailed presentation:

On this day and every day –

God is in Control
. . . and His Grace is Sufficient, so . . .
Keep Looking Up

Hopefully, every Sunday, we can find something here that will build us up a little . . . give us a smile . . . and add some joy or peace, very much needed in all our lives.

“This day is holy to the Lord your God;
do not mourn nor weep.” . . .
“Go your way, eat the fat, drink the sweet,
and send portions to those for whom nothing is prepared;
for this day is holy to our Lord.
Do not sorrow,
for the joy of the Lord is your strength.”

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Amen, Carl! And thank you for the wonderful information on Migdal Eder. That is really incredible.


Beautiful Carl, this is Christmas .. not glittered up and dumbed down. People in the Bible had the knowledge and kept it alive because is is LIFE .. very happy you wrote about them knowing where Jesus would be born. Hallelujah hear the angels sing, do you hear what I hear ..


WONDERFUL poem….brought tears to my eyes.

And thank you for your article, as well. It really resonates with me. As a former sheep breeder, I remember setting up lambing pens (where each ewe would have her own “space”, feed, and water), making sure to get the ewes in question into them well before their time, keeping their surroundings clean and “comfortable” with extra straw and checking on the ewes many times, day AND night. My mom spent many an hour in the barns at night, waiting for a lambing to progress (My brother and I were still in school, so she didn’t want us to miss sleep). Later (she bought out my sheep “business” when I went to college, and kept it going for over 30 more years!) she got cameras installed but still lay awake in the warmth of the house to watch when one of the ewes was “due”, then out to the barn if there seemed to be something amiss or help seemed necessary….and we were only producing prize breeding sheep and lambs for the market, not as important as lambs for the temple.
So, yes, the sheep bearing sacrificial lambs would have been well taken care of, and the Lamb of God, himself, even more so!


Thank you for your poem (Psalm).

Every word speak to me. God Bless you.


Thank you, Carl, for yet another thoughtful and inspiring post.

I hope you are well and getting better.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Thanks for this great lesson! It makes a lot of sense, actually. I like this “theory”!!!


Hi Wolf. Putting this here for you to see it.

WSB has a comment at the very end of the thread about a Jamaican congressman who is driving the bill allowing the Governor of New York to incarcerate the unvaxxed. Lots of info, but you know what I found?

Lo and behold, he is connected to PERCY SUTTON! COMMUNIST.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

WHOA! Holy shit!


I know, right? All these Communist fuckers are associated. It’s just finding out how.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Carl – I don’t know if you’ve heard (previous post HERE), but I’m freeing up all the authors of the daily threads – for a variety of reasons. If you WANT to continue doing the Sunday open, you are welcome to do so, but there is absolutely no pressure to do so.

Wheatie is going to take a break, and DP is thinking about it. Grandma has turned in her pen. I am probably going to do smaller open threads all week, at the very minimum. I’m not sure if Steve is going to keep doing Saturdays, but he is welcome to take a break with all the others – AS ARE YOU.

If you’re worried about spiritual matters, it is my intent that Sunday will remain “special” in that regard, no matter whether it’s you, me, or somebody else. Thus, there is no weight on you. Totally your call – do NOT feel guilt-tripped. If you feel that you need to spend more time with loved ones or healthcare, please feel free to take a break.

I will make sure things continue, no matter what!

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Gail Combs

Thank you BakoCarl


Thank you, Carl. I am grateful you are continuing to bless us with your weekly wisdom.


God bless you, Carl! I get a lot from your Sunday posts and am glad you’re going to continue them.


Thank You Carl !
I think we ALL benefit from your Sunday process.  😔 


Thank you Carl 


Thank you Carl.


Thank you Carl, very much appreciated .. God bless you, you are a blessing to us.

Valerie Curren

Beautiful, Inspiring, AND Humble. You are blessed & a blessing. Thank you for your service to the Lord & the Body. In Jesus’ Love

Sadie Slays

Folks, I’ve got an important health tip to share. I’ve witnessed the results in real life myself, and believe in it to strongly recommend.

Mr. Slays has auto-immune health issues. Mr. Slays developed serious joint problems in the knees and wrists over the past few months that were inflammation/auto-immune related. Mr. Slays read somewhere that turmeric + black pepper (to make the turmeric bio-available) reduces inflammation. Out of pure experimentation, he started taking 1 tsp of turmeric + 1/2 tsp of black pepper every day. We’re not talking anything fancy here. Just a bag of turmeric from the local Indian market and some black peppercorns from the supermarket (ground to black pepper in the coffee grinder). Just swallow a tsp of turmeric powder and a 1/2 tsp of black pepper and chug some water. That’s it. He claims it tastes better than it sounds.

The results are stunning. The joint problems were mostly gone in about a week (wrist problems mildly persist but significantly reduced from before). Energy levels through the roof. Literally the only thing that changed was the turmeric and black pepper.

If you have specific inflammation issues, try it. Heck, it might even help some other mystery ailments you have, I don’t honestly know, but it’s so cheap and simple that it’s at least worth experimenting. 

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Gail Combs

I have been taking Turmrtic Curcumin for years. Either as the spice that turns my rice (and pee) yellow or as the capsules or both. I also make sure my rice is ‘well peppered’ with black pepper. Another tip is to take it with FAT, butter, olive oil or the lard in the pork that I add to my rice. Add Red onions to the rice and you add Quercetin.
The other arthritis nutrients I take are: Glucosamine, Chrondroitin, boron, and CBD oil

A pharmacist told me to try Schiff’s Move Free since I am VERY allergic to crab. With Schiff I do not break out in hives.

BORON: Chiefio discussion A Very Good Boron Video
this AD 2021 Joint Supplements Guide: Benefits, Uses, Side Effects and Scams

When You Buy Joint Supplements Make Sure It Contains These Essential Ingredients: 

Glucosamine, Boswellia Extract, Chrondroitin, Turmeric, Quercetin, Methionine, MSM, and Bromelain

Bromelain was prescribed by a German Doctor for Mom’s cancer.


The results were, I went from not being able to put on my socks or tie my shoes in my 50s to now being able to touch the ground in my seventies. I am also off daily OTC pain killers.

OH and my really old ponies (Late 30s and 40s) are also taking Glucosamine and Chrondroitin. They went from lame and dragging their toes to galloping around the paddock chasing the younger pony I added to the paddock.


You think that would be good for my old dog? I guess I should look for dog formula?

Gail Combs

It is the building blocks used by the body to repair joint cartilage damage. It is NOT a pain killer and will take a month or more to actually show signs of working.

By Mayo Clinic Staff

Glucosamine is a natural compound found in cartilagethe tough tissue that cushions joints.

In supplement form, glucosamine is harvested from shells of shellfish or made in a lab. There are several forms of glucosamine, including glucosamine sulfate, glucosamine hydrochloride and N-acetyl glucosamine. These supplements aren’t considered interchangeable.

People use glucosamine sulfate orally to treat a painful condition caused by the inflammation, breakdown and eventual loss of cartilage (osteoarthritis).

Chondroitin is one of the most sought after joint-supporting supplements available on the market today, due to how it helps rebuild cartilage naturally and boosts recovery of tissue after injury or exercise.

As an important structural component of cartilage and one of the key substances that allows joints to withstand pressure, chondroitin is taken by many people with joint pain, osteoarthritis, and other signs of “wear and tear” due to aging. It’s commonly available in formulas containing similar and complimentary supplements, especially glucosamine and MSM.


The BEST Glucosamine Chondroitin for Dogs [2021]: 14 Reviewed

A good supplement will pair glucosamine sulfate or glucosamine hydrochloride (HCl) with other nutrients and substances to maximize the effectiveness for your dog. Glucosamine is commonly paired with chondroitin, which helps retain water in the joint area.


Thank you I look for it.

My 12 year old dog had urinary issues Dr put her on antibiotics and all cleared up. 3 weeks later I notice her straining again did some research at Chewy’s . I bought a natural product “Zesty Pow”
Whole Marshmallow
Organic Astragalus root
Nettle seed

Within 2 days her symptoms were gone and she seems fine.
With the meds she had taken her fur was dull and skin scaly.
I bought from same company Zesty Pows Skin Health again all natural ingredient. Her fur and skin is like day and night. Also cleared up ear problems.
They have meds like this for cats also. Expansive but not as costly than going to the Vet 🙂

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Sadie Slays

Thank you! I will pass this info along.


Turmeric essential oil also helps with bio-availability, but that is a more expensive route. I have seen this at work, too. Turmeric works!

Gail Combs

Journal of Medicinal Food (I didn’t even know that existed!)

Efficacy of Turmeric Extracts and Curcumin for Alleviating the Symptoms of Joint Arthritis: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis of Randomized Clinical Trials


Although turmeric and its curcumin-enriched extracts have been used for treating arthritis, no systematic review and meta-analysis of randomized clinical trials (RCTs) have been conducted to evaluate the strength of the research. We systemically evaluated all RCTs of turmeric extracts and curcumin for treating arthritis symptoms to elucidate the efficacy of curcuma for alleviating the symptoms of arthritis. Literature searches were conducted using 12 electronic databases, including PubMed, Embase, Cochrane Library, Korean databases, Chinese medical databases, and Indian scientific database. Search terms used were “turmeric,” “curcuma,” “curcumin,” “arthritis,” and “osteoarthritis.”….



 Initial searches yielded 29 articles, of which 8 met specific selection criteria.



 In conclusion, these RCTs provide scientific evidence that supports the efficacy of turmeric extract (about 1000 mg/day of curcumin) in the treatment of arthritis. However, the total number of RCTs included in the analysis, the total sample size, and the methodological quality of the primary studies were not sufficient to draw definitive conclusions. Thus, more rigorous and larger studies are needed to confirm the therapeutic efficacy of turmeric for arthritis….

The references include 49 other papers.


Excellent info! I didn’t know about the Journal of Medicinal Food, either!

Gail Combs

OH BOY could we have fun browsing through back copies of that journal!

So little time, so much to read. 🤓



bflyjesusgrl 🍊 😎NUCLEAR MAGA😎

Been taking turmeric daily for almost 2 years! 🤸‍♀️ 🤸‍♀️ 🤸‍♀️

It’s also high on the list of WuFlu combatants.

COVID-19 early treatment: real-time analysis of 1,213 studies (

What’s missing from this list is the anti-histamines. With that, I’m taking 9 of these supplements altogether.

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Thank you for sharing good info 🙂

Sadie Slays

This is from Wolfmoon’s latest post on the Moronic variant:

President Biden will deliver a speech on Tuesday on this new phase of the pandemic.

Tuesday is the Winter Solstice. Winter Solstice is a major Satanic holiday and Saturnalia. This coincides with his recent statement:

“We are looking at a winter of severe illness and death for the unvaccinated — for themselves, their families and the hospitals they’ll soon overwhelm,” he said.

The timing is suspicious, that’s all. I expect a new phase of something to start on Tuesday, and no, not just seasonal winter or whatever head cold Moronic is spreading.

Didn’t want to derail Wolfmoon’s post so I’m posting this in the Open Thread. 

Gail Combs

Time to make sure you are well stocked for everything you will need.

DO NOT FORGET THE OLIVE OIL or VEGGIE OIL. Oil packs a lot of calories in a small volume and unlike sugar FAT is a necessary nutrient.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

People I know who’ve tried to go fat free (because that’s the conventional wisdom; cut fat, cut fat, cut fat, eat lowfat foods (that turn out to be laced with sugar), blah blah blah) end up craving butter. And I mean butter without anything else.

Gail Combs

Due to medical problems, Mom was put on a NO FAT diet. She had the fatty sheaths around her nerves start to be consumed by the body. The doc put her on a pat of butter a day.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Oh, holy crap I can’t even imagine what that did. Misfiring nerves? *shudder*

Gail Combs

Yes, drop a pin on the floor and she would scream.

I am glad he figured it out so fast. It reversed quickly too.

Sort of makes me wonder if the ‘Snowflake Safe Space Syndrome’ might have lack of fat as a contributing factor.
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Fat consumption will help you LOSE WEIGHT because fat satisfies the appetite while sugar increases cravings. (BTDT and lost 40 lbs by changing my diet.)

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Yeah I am basically on Atkins right now; it has helped a LOT.

Gail Combs

And you FEEL so much better too.

My big problem is a have a very bad sweet tooth + birthday parties….

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Yeah, I had a big dinner last night, didn’t help the scale reading one dang bit this morning.

Gail Combs

So far I am holding steady (despite the spanakopita @ yesterday’s party — drool)

I want to lose another 20 or so pounds but I am taking it very slow and allowing my body to adjust.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I am figuring this is body adjustment time to the Poo Flu 10 lb loss.-0p[oi9

Gail Combs

Yeah, you do not want to force the body into ‘starvation mode’ via a bad dieting plan.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Sorry about the alphabet soup at the end of that; Darwin chose to walk across the keyboard just as I was hitting “send”


Hmmm….Darwin is part cat, who could have suspected?


THIS is the one that tops them all – the ass in the front. 😂

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Gail Combs


At least I was never that sloppy fat.


That looks so unreal and she is so young  😔 


I use Ghee and Coconut oil and Olive oil in cooking.
I always ate butter and used good oils. I also ate whole eggs. I just knew it was good.

Gail Combs

Vaccines, Fauci, and medical tyranny with Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 49 minutes:

Steve Bannon interviews Robert Kennedy and talks about his new book (400 million sold WITHOUT ADVERTISING) He also talks about the Media Hits Robert is taking. An example of which opens the show.

Given yesterdays revelation of the MASS GRAVE of babies found by an investigator of Robert’s that was confirmed by Aubergine I am going to ask Treepers to listen to the whole video.

There is also this: Dr. Fauci and the NIH’s History in Experimenting on Foster Children and Using Aborted Fetal Tissue to Develop an HIV Vaccine
I can not find the original video I saw but there is a BBC DOCUMENTARY!!! (This is the one I saw.)

BBC documentary that exposes how the city of New York has been forcing HIV-Positive children under its supervision to be used as human guinea pigs in tests for experimental AIDS drug trials.

Transcript for the BBC documentary Guinea Pig Kids

This is a slightly edited version of the complete documentary broadcast on Tuesday, 30 November, 2004, at 1930 GMT on BBC Two in the UK.

Liam Scheff has provided a few comments in brackets. The rest is from the BBC transcript of the film.

The Narrator throughout is Amanda St John.

Speaker: We have freedom in this country and that’s a wonderful thing isn’t it? We have freedom of religion and freedom of speech and that’s one of the cool things about being an American.

Narrator:Battery Park, in the heart of downtown New York. And a hymn to America in the last of the summer sunshine. New York is the richest city, in the richest country in the world. But just a few miles uptown live some of the poorest communities in America.

In the Bronx three grandchildren try to bring their grandmother up to date with the latest fashions. But two people are missing from this picture. Veronica Momodu recently died of AIDS.

[ed – This is the one piece of the film I think is not as accurate as it could be. She didn’t die of ‘Aids’, as in a long, debilating death. She was an African immigrant. Her son had been taken from her by the state, because she did not want him in an AIDS drug trial. I was working with her to appear in the film and tell her story. She was depressed and anxious, and terribly distraught over not seeing her child.

A few weeks before filming, she passed out in her home, again, after months of stress from not being able to see her child, and not knowing where in the city he was. She was brought into the hospital passed out, after having, I was told, a seizure. I believe she was drugged heavily, and with the standard Aids drugs, because she had tested ‘HIV positive’. In any case, three weeks after entering the hospital and starting the drugs, she was dead.]

Narrator: It was left to her mother, Regina, to bring up three granddaughters and a grandson, Garfield, who’s HIV Positive. Veronica and Regina had wanted to have a say in the treatment Garfield received.

But instead the New York authorities insisted Garfield stay on drugs and medicines, which even the other children could see were making him ill.

Nanju [family member]: When he was drinking the medicine sometimes at night, it was in the summer time too, and he would say, ‘mummy I’m cold, I’m cold’ or he would itch his body all over, non-stop.

Catherine [family member]: And every time he said he was cold, my aunt would tell my uncle to put the heat up, he put up the heat a lot of times, but he kept saying he was cold.

Narrator: Is this why your family decided to stop the medicine?

Nanju: Yeah, my aunt stopped it because he wasn’t feeling comfortable.

Catherine: And he started to get well, but when she went for a check up, they gave him the medicine again without her knowing it.

Narrator: And did he get sick again?

Catherine and Nanju: Yeah.

Regina Mousa [Grandmother]: I don’t know what type of medicine they were giving. The boy was allergic to sulphur and they give it to him and he’s scratching all over his body and he lost his appetite, he don’t eat and he was getting skinny and skinnier.

Narrator: Convinced that the medicines were making things worse, not better, they turned to their hospital doctor for advice. He made an unexpected offer.

Regina Mousa: My daughter told me, she said when she went to see the doctor and that time it was the child’s appointment the man said he would be giving her twenty-five dollars a month if they can put the child on experimental basis.

She said ‘I will think about it’ and she said ‘No’. Then the doctor said ‘You will regret it’.

Narrator: Regina’s daughter took Garfield off all medication. Almost immediately his health improved. Then there was a knock on the door.

Regina Mousa: They came to take the child and they came with police. I think it was three or four policemen.

Narrator: In New York, you don’t need a court order to take a child from its parents. The Administration for Children’s Services, or ACS, has exceptionally strong legal powers to decide what’s best for the city’s kids.

David Lansner [Family Lawyer]: They’re essentially out of control; I’ve had many ACS case workers tell me; ‘we’re ACS, we can do whatever we want’. And they usually get away with it.

Narrator: Garfield simply disappeared into the system; one of twenty-three thousand children placed either with foster parents or in children’s homes.

This Catholic-run home, the Incarnation Children’s Centre in Harlem, is where many HIV children end up if their parents or guardians refuse to medicate them.

For years it was the centre of highly controversial and secretive drug trials on orphans and foster children as young as three months old.

Jacklyn Hoerger [Pediatric Nurse]: At the time it did not occur to me that anything was wrong because we were told by the doctors that these were all steps that were going to happen, to be expected because they were all HIV-positive.

[ed – Jacklyn’s story was part of the initial story on ICC, “The House That AIDS Built,” in a segment called The Nurse’s Story. Hoerger has also been interviewed by Essence Magazine and the New York Post.]

Narrator: Jacklyn Hoerger is a pediatric nurse who worked at Incarnation for five years.

Jacklyn Hoerger: If they were vomiting, if they lost their ability to walk, if they were having diarrhoea, if they were dying; that all of this was because of their HIV infection and to be expected and that we were doing the best we could to save them from that.

Narrator: Jacklyn was completely unaware that she was party to experiments on children.

Jacklyn Hoerger: It didn’t come as my first thought at all to question the medication and since I had worked with pediatric AIDS for many years and had given the medication, I just faithfully gave it as I was told by the doctors.

Narrator: We found documentation listing some of the experiments carried out on HIV children at the home. One was for treating herpes; another involved giving children double doses of the measles vaccine.

And yet others involved whole cocktails of drugs with side-effects admitted by the manufacturers including: severe stomach pain, muscle wastage, organ failure and many more.

Dr. David Rasnick [University of Berkeley]: Side-effect is a euphemism for, for undesired direct effects. The effects of the anti-HIV drugs are quite serious, in fact, in fact if you look at the insert that comes with these drugs you’ll see virtually all of them will have a black box warning label which is the highest, most severe warning that these drugs can have and still be prescribable to human beings before they’re taken off the market. They’re lethal.

Narrator: Three thousand miles west of Manhattan, Dr. David Rasnick is internationally renowned for his work on numerous diseases, including cancer.

Dr. David Rasnick: I’ll scroll that up a little so you can see the years and everything. And it’s Aids cases, deaths and…

Narrator: He’s studied the effects of HIV drugs on patients, particularly children.

Dr. David Rasnick: The young are not completely developed yet; the immune system isn’t completely mature until a person’s in their teens, typically.

Narrator: We asked for his opinion on some of the Incarnation trials.

Dr. David Rasnick: We’re talking about serious, serious side-effects. Didanosine, all by itself is, is a very dangerous drug. Zidovudine is our famous AZT, which has never been shown to be life saving, it also causes severe anemia. Nevirapine is the drug that also causes that Stephen Johnson Syndrome, the flaking of the skin and it’s very, very dangerous and debilitating, it’s horrible and painful and also lethal.

These children are going to be miserable; they’re absolutely going to be miserable. They’re going to resist taking them after a while, they’re going to probably take them when people give it to them, they’re going to suffer so much AZT by itself that they’re going to have cramps, they‘re going to have diarrhoea, they’re not going to want to eat, they’re joints are going to swell up, they’re going to roll around on the ground, you can’t touch them.

And I understand that the Incarnation Centre, they sent them to the hospitals, these children and they cut a hole in their belly and put a feeding tube in their belly and administer the drugs to the children who don’t take these drugs.

Boy: [ed – this is “Sean” from The House that AIDS Built. He is later called “Carlos” by the film producers. Both are aliases, as per his guardian’s request.] : My friend, Jolice, she never, never ever liked to take her medicine. So they used to hold her down and force it down her throat. I tell her…

Narrator: This boy spent most of his life at Incarnation. Aged fifteen, after years on drug tests, he has the physique of a ten year-old.

Narrator: He didn’t want to show his face. But he did want to tell the story of what happened to him in the home.

Boy: I did not want to take the medications and I did not want to, you know, do all that stuff.

Interviewer: But they insisted?

Boy: Yeah, if you want to get out of there you have to do what they say or else you’re not going anywhere.

Narrator: His medical records, which we’ve obtained, prove that he was enrolled in drug trials while living at Incarnation. If a child refused to take the medicine, a peg-tube was inserted directly into the stomach; something he warned his friends about.

Boy: And I used to tell her every single day, ‘please take your medicine; you don’t want a tube in your stomach’. But she didn’t listen to me. That’s what she got. And my friend Daniel, he didn’t like to take his medicine either and he got a tube in his stomach.

Narrator: Under Federal rules consent for children to take part in drug trials has to be given by their parent or guardian. But the kids at Incarnation have no independent voice. The body that is their legal guardian, the ACS, is the same body that makes the children available for trials.

Vera Sharav [Alliance for Human Research Protection]: You would not expect too many parents to volunteer their loved children for such experiments. This means that if the researchers want to do the experiment on children, they are going to look for vulnerable children whom they can get. And when you have a city government agency accommodating them; that is the biggest betrayal of those children. They don’t have anyone but the city agency that is their guardian on paper but not in human ways.

Narrator: For over ten years, Vera Sharav has battled almost single-handedly with the New York authorities to come clean over the use of children in drug trials.

Vera Sharav: They tested these very highly experimental drugs, Phase One and Phase Two, why didn’t they provide the children with the current best treatment; that’s the question that we have. Why did they expose them to risk and pain when they were helpless? Would they have done those experiments to their own children? I doubt it.

Narrator: When we spoke to the ACS early in our investigation, they told us that no child was selected for trials without a long process of decision-making.

Vera Sharav: I would absolutely reject the idea that they go through a process. Yes, they go through a process, but it is in, in, on paper only. For example, the city department created a panel, an ethics committee that approved the experiments that were conducted at Incarnation House. There’s only one little pesky detail; the panellists all come from hospitals that conduct the trials, so they all are stakeholders in saying that it was perfectly all right.

Narrator: Most of the children in the trials are from New York’s poorest districts. Many were born to drug addicted mothers. Over ninety-eight percent of children in foster care in the City are black or Latino.

But in New York City, where the ACS was given special powers by former Mayor Rudi Giuliani, even professionals realise they are fighting a losing battle.

Jacklyn Hoerger, the nurse who had once administered the drugs to children at Incarnation, was about to discover just how difficult it really was. She’d decided to add to her existing family by adopting two young girls she’d grown to love at the home.

Jacklyn Hoerger: They were half-sisters and the younger of the two was pretty much immobile; didn’t know how to walk, didn’t know how to play, didn’t speak much, didn’t know how to show her emotions or feeling whatsoever. And her sister was the opposite; she was hyperactive, couldn’t sit for a minute, couldn’t be still for a minute and wouldn’t eat and the younger of the two overate. So it was a complete mess.

I gave them all that I could, on every level. I gave them the good quality food, the rest, the best private schooling they could get, occupational therapy, physical therapy, speech therapy, tutoring. The best psychologists I could find on all levels and I just didn’t seem to be making any headway. And the only thing that was left was the medication that I had been giving them.

Narrator: Jacklyn decided to take the children off the drug regime which Incarnation had insisted upon. The results were almost instantaneous. The older girl began eating properly for the first time.

Jacklyn Hoerger: She would ask for seconds and thirds and it started showing on her body. When we swam at a swim club that we go to she had a swimsuit on about a month or two after I took her off the medication, I just looked at her with those loving mother eyes, just seeing a daughter look beautiful, rounded out, muscular, strong and healthy. It was a wonderful sight.

The younger daughter, I would say, the main change after I took her off the medication, it felt that her nerves became more and more healthy and I taught her how to walk, run, jump on the trampoline, play, ride the bicycle, swim and it was a joy to watch her.

Dirk Hoerger [husband]: I remember the first Christmas when they all got new hats and they sat in the corner all three of them together next to the Christmas Tree in their new hats surrounded with their presents and Ilene had this little shy smile, Olivia beaming from ear to ear and Leah sitting over them.

Daughter [Jacklyn and Dirk’s daughter]: And on Christmas morning, I woke and there was the faintest red on the horizon and so I turned on the light and we all got up and we opened our presents, you know, our stockings, and we started yelling out the window; ‘thank you Santa Claus’. And then Mommy came stomping, stomping down the stairs; ‘how dare you guys, it’s only one o’clock in the morning’.

Narrator: Not long after those Christmas celebrations, there was a visit from the ACS.

Jacklyn Hoerger: It was a Saturday morning and they had come a few times unannounced so when I saw them at the door, I invited them in and they said this is not a happy visit and at that point they told me that they were taking the children away. I was in shock; I couldn’t believe it and we were, it was a home day and they were in their pajamas and…

Narrator: The social worker involved in the case was Demetrius Travis. He was on holiday when a temporary case worker arrived at their door with the ACS.

Demetrius Travis [Social Worker]: The family did not agree with the drugs that were being given to these children who had HIV and as a result of the parents not agreeing with the, the medicinal, I guess, regimen that was being administered to the children when it was learned that that regimen was not being followed the children were taken back into foster care.

Interviewer: Did that decision upset you?

Demetrius Travis: It bothered me yeah, because I can remember how well off these children seemed to be and, and that just wasn’t, that wasn’t just my opinion that was the opinion of this mental health professional who had dealt with these children over a period of, I would say, a year and a half, two years.

Narrator: As a result, Jacklyn was taken to court and convicted of child abuse.

Interviewer: Where are they now?

Jacklyn Hoerger: I don’t know. I’m not allowed to know.

Narrator: Jacklyn’s greatest fear is they’ve been returned to Incarnation Children’s Centre or a similar home in New York where they might be subjected to experimentation.

Bill Perkins [New York City Council]: Well it is shocking that in New York City, experimental drug treatments are being used on children who are in foster care.

Narrator: Even senior politicians in the city have found it impossible to get information about the trials. Bill Perkins is Deputy Majority Leader on New York City Council.

Bill Perkins: We do know that several have passed away during the course of these experiments and we know that there are still some involved and there’s been somewhat of a secrecy about the whole matter, I must say. It has not been easy to get through the bureaucracy as to exactly what this is all about.

Narrator: In a mass grave owned by the Roman Catholic Church close to Manhattan, over a thousand children’s bodies, including some who were enrolled in the trials, lie beneath a tarpaulin. Officially their deaths are recorded only as resulting from ‘natural causes’.

For months, we tried to get answers from those behind the trials – from Columbia Presbyterian Hospital, where many of the tests were devised. From Incarnation Children’s Centre. From the Catholic Church. And from the ACS; the authority ultimately responsible. None would comment.

The drug companies which have supported trials at Incarnation include some of the world’s largest. Among them Britain’s own Glaxo Smith Kline.

They also refused to be interviewed for this program saying only that all trials have stringent standards and are in compliance with local laws and regulations.

In Washington, officials at the National Institutes of Health insist that any participation of children in drug trials should be voluntary in every sense.

Lauren Wood [National Institutes of Health]: We let parents know that participation is always voluntary; that they can stop participating in a trial at any time. Many parents need to have that reinforced, that participation is voluntary. We also get the assent of the child, when it’s appropriate.

Narrator: But what if that child is in the care of New York City authorities which have volunteered it for the trials in the first place?

David Lansner [Family Lawyer]: New York Law hasn’t made clear where the boundaries are between the parent’s right to provide and control the treatment for the child and the ACS’s right. And as a result, the parent loses out and the child loses out because ACS simply says; ‘we’re going to make all the decisions’.

Narrator: In two thousand and two, the trials at Incarnation were suddenly halted. Attempts to uncover why exactly meet either with silence…or a call to the NYPD to have us removed.

During the making of this program the Food and Drugs Administration announced an investigation into the trials, which we have discovered are continuing at at least six other locations in New York City.

Meanwhile, Regina Mousa from the Bronx is now in contact with her grandson, Garfield. She’s won a court order granting her visitation rights.

This is her grandson’s new foster home in the Bronx. The boy was hungry and Regina had brought food. Although the house was in poor condition, it was better than his previous one where the foster mother had allegedly beaten him.

Garfield’s new foster mother receives six thousand dollars every month for him and three others.

What makes her a better guardian in the eyes of the authorities is that she gives the medicine demanded by the ACS and Regina refuses.

Regina Mousa: I want to get him back. I want to get him back. Because I don’t want my child to remain in experimental basis. Not my own grandson. Because we love him.

Narrator: Jacklyn Hoerger has had no news of the two little girls she was adopting since that day when the ACS arrived on her doorstep.

Jacklyn Hoerger: We weren’t given any rights whatsoever. I even wrote a letter to the social worker appealing to her humanity, to just let us know something. But I don’t know anything.

Interviewer: Did you ever say to the nurses or the doctors that you felt the medicine was wrong?

Carlos: I try; I just try to be me. I don’t bother anybody. People do things for, like I said, a reason; good or bad, we have to forgive them for what they do.

From Dora:

From Aubergine, found in the graveyard Robert Kennedy mentions:
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This makes me physically ill. All those poor little babies. Such suffering.

If the “Fauci-worshipers” ever truly accept who they have been loving, they might commit suicide.

Gail Combs

It is hard for a lot of us to see what has been happening this last year. I think many are depressed or frustrated. I know I get very angry….


Because the EVIL that has been hidden for so many years is finally being revealed and that is the first step in combating it.


True that. Has to be revealed to be combated. I just have so much terrible information in my head. What is learned can’t be unlearned, it must be lived with.

Gail Combs

I feel like I am standing under a fire hose spraying filth.

On FauXI I ran into this American Stinker article where the author makes excuses for Fauci — BARF!

December 2, 2021
Anthony Fauci is no Josef Mengele
By Andrea Widburg

Lara Logan claimed that she’s heard from people all over the world that Fauci is another Josef Mengele, the Nazi doctor who sent more than a million people to their deaths at Auschwitz.  The comparison is wrong because Mengele intentionally and affirmatively caused these deaths in the gas chambers.  Fauci hasn’t affirmatively killed anyone.  He has, however, consigned hundreds of thousands of people to death through his negative behavior, denying people access to life-saving treatment.  He can be judged for that without bringing Mengele into the discussion….

Well she certainly hasn’t done her homework!… Or maybe not.

I’m reading Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.’s The Real Anthony Fauci: Bill Gates, Big Pharma, and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health, which has meticulously sourced information about Fauci’s refusal to authorize treating COVID early, with common, inexpensive therapies…

You do not have to get your hands dirty to be a murdering monster. Fauci controlled IMMENSE AMOUNTS OF MONEY WORLD WIDE (OUR tax dollars) and could make or break experiments or doctors, just ask Judy Mikovits.

So maybe the correct analogy is not Mengele, maybe the correct analogy is HITLER, Or Stalin, Or Mao.

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SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA


If you “only” ordered millions killed and others carried out the orders, YOU are still just as culpable as THEY are.


I feel the same.

But I think the comparison to Mengele is the same.


“In the first phase of the experiments, pairs of twins and persons with inherited anomalies were put at the disposal of Dr. Mengele and subjected to all imaginable specialist medical examinations. They were also photographed, plaster casts were made of their jaws and teeth, and they were toe- and fingerprinted. As soon as these examinations were finished, they were killed with lethal injections of phenol to the heart so that the next phase of the experimentation could begin: autopsies and the comparative analysis of their internal organs.”

Fauci used experimental AIDS drugs on orphans, observed their suffering, and discarded them when they died. Do I believe for one MINUTE that those children weren’t autopsied and studied before they were discarded like yesterday’s trash? NO, no I do not.

Looks like a pretty valid comparison to me.



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Father God, I now follow your command to put on the full armor of God, because my battle is not against flesh and blood but against rulers, authorities, the powers of this dark world and against spiritual forces of evil in the unseen world.

I first pray on the Belt of Truth that it may be buckled around my waist, may I be centered and encircled by your truth dear Lord. Hem me inside all that is true and right, and may I be protected and held up by the truth of your living word, in my Lord Jesus name.

I pray on the Breastplate of righteousness, please protect my vital organs and my inner man, cover my integrity, my spirit, and my soul. Guard my heart for it is the wellspring of life, please strengthen and guard the most vulnerable places in my life with that which is right, good, and noble that I might not receive a fatal blow from the enemy, in my Lord Jesus name.

I pray on the Gospel Shoes of Peace. I choose to stand in the shoes of your good news, and on the firm foundation of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, the solid eternal rock. All other ground is sinking sand, I pray that I will not slip or fall, but that my feet would be firmly fitted on your lordship, my Lord Jesus. I choose to stand on you, so that the peace of God, which transcends all understanding will guard my heart and mind in Christ Jesus, the eternal Rock of Ages. I receive your holy peace now my Lord, from the sole of my feet to the crown of my head, in my Lord Jesus name.

I pray the Shield of Faith into my hand now. As I take up the shield of faith, I ask that you might extinguish every dart and arrow, that is launched from the enemy to take me down spiritually, physically, mentally, emotionally, and every attempt of the enemy to destroy my joy. I ask that my faith in you would make it flame out. Extinguish every flaming arrow that would come against me, my life, my family, my home, or my ministry. May my faith always be out in front of me like a shield. Give me the courage to “faith my fears” by choosing to walk by faith and not by sight, in my Lord Jesus name.

I pray on the Helmet of Salvation, that you might protect my mind from the thoughts that can lead me astray. I choose to take every thought captive, and arrest all intentioned ideas and motives that would harm others, or distract me from your holy will for me. I submit every captured thought to the Lordship of my Lord Jesus Christ, and ask that you would imprison those thoughts that are not of you my Lord. Transform my mind and renew my thinking that I may think God thoughts, and have a sober mind that is focused on your glory. Please protect me from being double minded that I may allow my mind, I reject to live an earthly life, because I choose to live a holy one, governed by you My Lord Jesus, the prince of peace, please have my mind to be saturated with the holy mind of Christ, in my Lord Jesus name.

Finally, I take up the Sword of the Spirit which is the holy word of God, I pray this powerful offensive weapon into my hand, and ask that your holy word would be fitting for every encounter I face. As the enemy gets close to me, please give me the insight, wisdom, and skill to wield the word of God to drive away the enemy, in my Lord Jesus name.

May the enemy and his team flee from me, upon hearing the word of God spoken by the power and direction of the Holy Spirit. Give me the sword of the spirit to cut through the wiles of the devil, so that I may discern the schemes of the enemy when he is near.

With all kinds of prayers, supplication, and intercession I pray to you my Lord God as the one who fights my battles. Now that I’m in your holy powerful armor, I walk away covered and ready to face my day as you go before me, and please protect me in the midst of the spiritual warfare in this unseen world, in my Lord Jesus name.

Thank you my Lord, for the spiritual weapons of armor and prayer that you have given me. It is written no weapon formed against me shall prosper, and you will refute every tongue that accuses me. 

Thank you Father God, my Lord Jesus and the Holy Spirit, that I am more than a conqueror in my Lord Jesus. I pray all of this in the mighty name of my Lord God and Savior Jesus Christ, amen.

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Deplorable Patriot

Judge Hands Down Big Win to Gen. Flynn, Will Allow His Family to Sue CNN

CNN may have the opportunity to write another check for doing its job poorly, this time to relatives of former Trump national security advisor Michael Flynn for labeling them followers of the QAnon conspiracy theory….

On Thursday, a federal judge allowed a case brought by Flynn’s brother John “Jack” Flynn and sister-in-law Leslie Flynn to proceed against CNN.

Of course, CNN “news” coverage seems to go off the rails when it deals with any subject or person even remotely tied to former President Donald Trump.

Deplorable Patriot

Those who follow the January 6, umm, event, may find this of interest. From this morning’s Anonymous Conservative.

Revolver News revisits the story of Ray Epps, and notes the Pipe Bombs delivered on Jan 6th were reported one minute before Epps began shepherding all the protesters he could round up into the Capitol. You can see how when you are talking about hidden earpieces, timing is precise. They are not as uncommon as you would think, because everything is more strictly controlled by a single organized command than you would imagine. More at the link showing how precisely planned the whole thing was. They tore down fences and signs at a specific point closest to Trump’s rally, so Trump supporters walking to the Capitol would actually see no restrictions, and accidently walk into the Capitol unknowingly. The goal was to ensnare as many innocent Trump supporters as possible. It also goes into how many more Fed agents were operating to that end, and the mystery of the pipe bombs, which I have told you could not be planted without the massive surveillance state these days ID’ing the bomber instantly, especially in DC. That means the feds were planting pipe bombs as a distraction, meaning the whole Jan 6th raid on the Capitol was something Cabal needed for their plan. And for some reason, Trump and Q’s forces allowed it, perhaps because they were documenting it for a full reveal later to show the problem with having intel operating domestically. This is why the CIA was supposed to be banned from operating in the US domestically. It is a long article, with lots of photos of other Ray Epps-like traitors at the link who will only be identified by getting as many real patriots as possible to look over the pics and see if they can ID anyone. But the real value is, if you go to Trump events, to understand how the enemy will put agents there and exploit the disorder and chaos, just to trick innocent people into ending up in Federal Jail for over a year waiting for trials that are just show trials. When you go to one of these things, and see someone try to take charge, or seem purposeful and to know what they are doing, or just to seem like one of your own, they are the enemy, and you need to be an island unto yourself, and make your own decisions, and probably do the exact opposite of what they are trying to command or recommend. Be paranoid, be distrustful, and question everything going on and what is in front of you. Plan as much as you can before you get there, and stick to the plan. Because there will be massive operations trying to fool you.

Gail Combs

I posted this late yesterday and have added additional info so all is in one place.


Bannon’s War Room
Darren Beattie: The Ray Epps Breach 49 mins It is the first 14 minutes
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October 25 2021: Meet Ray Epps: The Fed-Protected Provocateur – Revolver

Ray Epps, was ‘disappeared from the FBI most wanted list…

 ….Revolver also determined, and will prove below, that the the FBI stealthily removed Ray Epps from its Capitol Violence Most Wanted List on July 1, just one day after Revolver exposed the inexplicable and puzzlesome FBI protection of known Epps associate and Oath Keepers leader Stewart Rhodes. July 1 was also just one day after separate New York Times report amplified a glaring, falsifiable lie about Epps’s role in the events of January 6…..

December 18, 2021: Meet Ray Epps, Part 2: Damning New Details Emerge Exposing Massive Web Of Unindicted Operators At The Heart Of January 6

Six weeks ago, Revolver News published a blockbuster investigative report on Ray Epps — a man who, more than any other individual, appears to be the key unlocking the question of active federal involvement in the so-called “Capitol Siege” of January 6th.

Out of all of the thousands of January 6’s protesters, and the thousands of hours of publicly available footage from that fateful day, Ray Epps has turned out to be perhaps the only person nailed dead to rights confessing on camera to plotting a pre-planned attack on the Capitol. On both January 5 and January 6, Epps announced multiple times, at multiple locations, his upcoming plot to breach the US Capitol. He then spent hours attempting to recruit hundreds of others to join him. On top of it all, Epps was seen leading key people and managing key aspects of the initial breach of the Capitol grounds himself…..

, it was the 12:50 p.m. breach of the Capitol grounds, in conjunction with a handful of suspicious individuals ripping down fencing and signage, that set in motion the conditions allowing for 1/6 to turn from a rally into a riot. 

In this report, we will blow open this network of still-unindicted key operators who appear to have been at work either with or around Ray Epps during the initial Capitol grounds breach. You, dear reader, will be scandalized — though perhaps unsurprised — to learn that none of the actors covered in this report have received attention in the mainstream press, despite their active and indispensable roles in the events of 1/6.

As we explained in detail in our previous report, the FBI originally put Ray Epps’s face on its Capitol Violence “Most Wanted List” on January 8, 2021, just two days after 1/6. They offered a cash reward for information leading to his arrest. In fact, rank-and-file FBI agents initially deemed Epps’s role as an apparent riot organizer so important that they named him Suspect #16—one of the first 20 high-profile FBI targets in a database now packed with more than 500 suspects….

This report is very long and detailed with photos and video clips.

One of those details I found interesting is this from a PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRAT SITE!

Nothing Is Certain But Death, Taxes, And Police Infiltration Of US Protests
“….Disruptive police infiltration of protest movements is a historical constant in America, after all. It is the norm, not the exception.

Protests have spread throughout the United States since the emergence of that footage. Local outlet KHOU 11 News was told by the Houston police department that protests over George Floyd’s murder would be attended by both “uniformed officers and plain-clothed officers”. This admission cannot be found in KHOU’s reporting any longer, but it has been screenshotted and still shows up on Google searches as of this writing.
In New York, protesters have conclusively worked out that cops posing as demonstrators are currently wearing white armbands to identify each other. Ways of identifying plain-clothes cops are being circulated by protesters on social media.

None of these people are paranoid or irrational. For generations it has been a well-established fact that police will reliably infiltrate protests and political movements, and it remains so to this day….

A 2012 Truthdig article by Kevin Zeese and Margaret Flowers titled “Infiltration of Political Movements Is the Norm in America” goes into this time-honored tradition at some length. Here’s an excerpt [bold font mine]:

How many agents or infiltrators can we expect to see inside a movement? One of the most notorious “police riots” was at the 1968 Democratic National Convention. Independent journalist Yasha Levine writes: “During the 1968 protests of the Democratic National Convention in Chicago, which drew about 10,000 protesters and was brutally crushed by the police, 1 out of 6 protesters was a federal undercover agent. That’s right, 1/6th of the total protesting population was made up of spooks drawn from various federal agencies. That’s roughly 1,600 people! The stat came from an Army document obtained by CBS News in 1978, a full decade after the protest took place. According to CBS, the infiltrators were not passive observers, monitoring and relaying information to central command, but were involved in violent confrontations with the police.”

Peter Camejo, who ran as a Socialist Workers Party candidate for president in 1976, as a Green Party candidate for governor of California in 2003 and as Ralph Nader’s vice presidential running mate in 2004, often told of infiltration in his mid-’70s presidential campaign. After campaign offices were burglarized, Camejo was able to get the FBI into court by suing it over COINTELPRO activities. The judge asked the FBI special agent in charge how many FBI agents had worked in Camejo’s presidential campaign; the answer was 66. Camejo estimated he had a campaign staff of 400 across the country. Once again that would be an infiltration rate of about one in six. Camejo discovered that among the agents was his campaign co-chair. He also discovered eavesdropping equipment in a campaign office and documents showing the FBI had followed him since he was an 18-year-old student activist.

One in six. That’s a whole lot….”



And then this from earlier in the week

Pete Santilli: Imprisoned 619 Days for Reporting the TRUTH. (1 hour & 7,859 Views)

Pete was a whistleblower AGAINST Coca-Cola and won a major lawsuit against them. He then became a whistleblower advocate.

Pete Santilli is a former marine, entrepreneur, investigative journalist, researcher, and podcast host.
Pete has interviewed MANY guests over the past decade.
But few know his story in one of the most covered controversies in recent memory. The Bundy Ranch Standoff.
Pete shares his story about the events that led to him being wrongfully imprisoned 619 days [AND SEVEN MONTHS IN SOLITARY] after covering
Pete has interviewed MANY guests over the past decade.
But few know his story in one of the most covered controversies in recent memory. The Bundy Ranch Standoff.
Pete shares his story about the events that led to him being wrongfully imprisoned 619 days [AND SEVEN MONTHS IN SOLITARY] after covering massive FBI and DOJ corruption related to the Bundy’s, land, uranium, and Hillary Clinton.

What is NOT said in the above blurb is the OATH KEEPERS, Steward Rhodes WAS THE FBI SET-UP MAN!!!

It is worth listening from 38:30 about the Bundy Ranch Set-up.

The “Stand-off” was actually a PROTEST, @ 4100 (Sound familiar?)


“Where people ASKED the Sherriff to tell the Feds to STOP pointing guns at the American people.” … The SAME CORRUPT FBI we see at work today, … In JANUARY they were ALREADY WHIPPING UP ON SOCIAL MEDIA THE HOAXERY. They were trying to entrap people to see who would support Clive Bundy FOR MONTHS, so by the time I put him on my show, we reached millions of people…. NO ONE BROKE THE LAW. They could not indict anyone back in 2014.

In 2016, there was another rancher up in Oregon and the Bundy’s contacted me and said we’ve got to bring awareness to these people. We are going to do a protest…. All of a sudden the Bundys and a few others SPUN OFF and took over the Malheur Wildlife refuge and continued the protest to bring awareness. And I’m going WHAT THE HECK IS THAT? … They are going to want to kill you here, you are taking over the Wild Life Refuge. I do not believe you deserve to die, you are a protester. I am going to stay here and cover it SO THEY DO NOT KILL YOU. I held off, with millions of listeners in January, for 20 something days. The FBI sent 450 heavily armed special forces, HRTT members, and they were going to SLAUGHTER ALL THE PROTESTERS.

Come to find out, I joke all the time, Of the eight protesters that took over the Wild Life Refuge, 35 were FBI informants. It was literally from the Bundy ranch, to Malheur the Deep State had completely surrounded the Patriots community. Infiltrated it with iFBI nformants, and even to the point in January 2016, that although I was not connected to the protesters they had us surrounded by FBI informants. STUART RHODES WAS SENDING HIS LACKYS to by the way, in my Room I was surrounded by them.

On January 25th I broadcast, You know why they are out here? BECAUSE OF URANIUM ONE here in SEOregon. Hilary Clinton has taken 140 million dollars, from Uranium One to the Clinton Foundation. Ten hours later LaVoy Finicum was shot and killed in an ambush set-up by an FBI informant and I was put in handcuffs. I was not part of the convoy. I was put in handcuff over a FALSE 302 a fake indictment but Loretta Lynch signed off on my arrest and I was held for 619 days as a political prisoner…. (47 minutes)

See Darren Beatties Revolver piece for more on Rhodes: Federal Protection of “Oath Keepers” Kingpin Stewart Rhodes Breaks The Entire Capitol “Insurrection” Lie Wide Open

@ 30 minutes he talks of Benghazi and the information he has gotten from friends who were on the ground. It is nothing like the information we have heard.


It was a ‘Fedsurrection’ not insurrection.

Meet Ray Epps, Part 2: Damning New Details Emerge Exposing Massive Web Of Unindicted Operators At The Heart Of January 6 – Revolver


Synthesis: We Now Know How They Did It

It increasingly appears that we now know how rogue elements of federal agencies pulled off the January 6 Fedsurrection. If the Ray Epps Breach Team hypothesis is correct, a group of government-sponsored provocateurs were all instructed separately by handlers to arrive at the Peace Monument before 12:45 p.m., where they front-ran the arrival of the Proud Boys, who would serve as the scapegoat for the breach. Then, post-breach, key operators such as Epps and ScaffoldCommander directed the crowd to “move forward,” while others removed barricades, fencing and signage.

There is simply no way the FBI did not know the Proud Boys march would end up at the Peace Monument just after 12:45 p.m. That march was led by Proud Boy leader Joe Biggs. Biggs is an FBI informant who says he “spoke often” with his bureau contacts. Biggs’s Proud Boy boss Enrique Tarrio was also an FBI informant. And the FBI was reading their cell phone group chat messages ahead of time.

Epps, for his part, may not have understood any of the bigger picture. If the former Oath Keeper state chapter president is indeed a longtime government informant, as it fully appears, he may be very much used to getting text messages from an agency contact telling him “Hey, go to this right-wing event and test the crowd for troublemakers. We’re looking to flush out the crazies.” Certainly, Epps made it sound like he was no novice to crowd control at large-scale protest events. His Facebook profile picture was a previous mass march on Washington, and he was fond of telling those around him he’s “been doing this a long time.”


Gail Combs

I remember seeing way back when a video interviewing some trump supporters who CAUGHT someone ‘planting a bomb’ they turned him over to the cops and were very very surprised to see the guy released and back in the crowd.

Gail Combs

“….It was a ‘Fedsurrection’ not insurrection….”

Actually when you think about it, IT WAS AN INSURRECTION against the duly elected president by the FBI, the CIA, the Mayor, the Capitol Police, the Senior Executive Service, and the CCP/Cabal controlled members of the Congress and the Senate!


The ranchers in Oregon are, Dwight (father) and Steven (son) Hammond. The Feds, BLM, Wildlife asshoes had been harrassing them for many years. One of the latest Fed screw ups with the hammonds was, the Hammond’s were found guilty, served their sentence, and released. A Fed judge determined they needed more jail time AND jailed them over the same thing. Said the initial sentence served was too lenient.

IIRC, Trump pardoned them or otherwise let them go with time served.

Uranium One in SE Oregon AND where the Bundy’s graze their cattle relatively near Vegas.


Columbia Bugle has been doing a series on Ray Epps and other odd facts about the January 6 ‘Buffalo Jump’.

Here’s a small sample:


The Revolver link is certainly intriguing —

Gail Combs

Yes it is. Especially when you connect it to the older David Clements interview with Pete Santilli and what he says about the leader of the Oath Keepers, Stewart Rhodes and the Bundy Ranch/ murder of LaVoy Finicum  

The Oath Keepers was formed just one month BEFORE the Sec of Homeland Security DESIGNATED VETERANS of the Armed Forces, Secret Service and LEO as ‘potential Domestic Terrorists’ I know SS was included because I talked to a retired SS guy at church at the time.


Another one: Accused ‘Oath Keeper’ Denies All Charges, Claims To Be Former FBI Section Chief Who’s Held Top Secret Clearance For Decades

A Virginia man accused of helping to ‘plan and coordinate’ the January 6th Capitol breach claims he’s not a member, much less a leader, of the Oath Keepers…

In a Monday court filing, 66-year-old Thomas Caldwell also claimed he’s held a top-secret security clearance since 1979, ran a consulting firm that did classified work for the US government, and worked as a FBI section chief from 2009 to 2010 – a job the Associated Press says typically requires ‘rising through the ranks of the bureau.’


Mark Levin does an eight minute piece on “Who is Ray Epps?”
As usual. Mark does not beat around the bush. Clean and Articulate. Proper questions right up front. Excellent summary.


Interesting….and likely, but I’m not sure why “Trump and Q’s forces allowed it, perhaps because they were documenting it for a full reveal later to show the problem with having intel operating domestically.” is part of this theory? I could understand people suspecting something and thus documenting, but not the allow part. That would need some explaining. Which would require reading the article.

However. That link Revolver News revisits the story of Ray Epps, and notes the Pipe Bombs delivered on Jan 6th were reported one minute before Epps began shepherding all the protesters he could round up into the Capitol.

takes me here (3 times now) :

Very strange. Did it twice thrice. Did/Does anyone else have that problem?

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Gail Combs

If you hover over the text you can see what the link is and it is the wrong link.

this is the correct link:


Did not Trump order military to be there that day Jan 6 and someone not Trump did not respond with the order?

Gail Combs

He tried but was over-ruled


Yes that was it


It’s all so weird. We know what they did, and they know that we know, but things are in limbo, for now.

Gail Combs

Interesting. Putin is a very smart leader so there maybe more behind this than meets the eye. THINK UKRAINE… THINK BIDEN….


An Oldie!


uh oh

outrage triggered from Stage Left
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Often we lose sight of the true meaning of Christmas, and we fail to reflect on the greatest Christmas gift of all: God’s gift of His Son, Jesus Christ, for our salvation Hoping Christ will be in your Christmas as I wish you a very Merry Christmas.comment image


Merry Christmas!


Merry Christmas


EXCELLENT observations, bakocarl.

thank you, as always, for Lighting the path,

Deplorable Patriot


Gail Combs

Actually EVIL has been running rampant for over 100 years here in the USA. It is just that we can now SEE the EVIL and that is the first step towards STOMPING it out.


Good Choice!

The National Pulse is today announcing its second annual Patriot of the Year Award, handing the honor to former White House Chief Strategist and host of the War Room: Pandemic podcast, Stephen K. Bannon.


New NTEB Gospel Witness Billboard Goes Up In Ocala Florida Showing Jesus ‘High And Lifted Up’ For Their Sins Ahead Of Christmas Holiday.



Bakocarl – this is one of your best ever posts – and I’m with you, Migdal Eder makes good sense – especially in the light of all the symbolism and metaphor of Christ being The final, supreme, most perfect, efficacious Blood Sacrifice – The Lamb above all Lambs.

Jesus is also The Ikon or Image of the True Priest – after the Order of Melchizadek – Who presents the acceptable Sacrifice before the Father’s Altar and now sits beside the Father’s Throne, while the Holy Spirit works and moves upon the earth and in the hearts of human kind.

It is finished and it is enough.

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Fascinating, Carl! I loved it. Thank you!


Relentless Truth




What have anons been saying for 2 weeks now?

How did Putin just describe the Omicron variant?

Why are they freaking out and attempting to lockdown the entire planet when Omicron has killed less than 10 people worldwide?


The real question is, where did the cure come from?

Dr. Malone is all over it as usual…

“So the good news with Omicron is very low disease, highly infectious…it looks an awful lot to experienced vaccinologists like a LIVE ATTENUATED VACCINE THAT YOU MIGHT DESIGN FOR PURPOSE”

“This is about as good as we could possibly want in terms of outcomes.”

“If you believe in a God, this looks an awful lot like a Christmas present.”


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Referencing Robert Malone above:

Relentless Truth




Omicron amazingly shifted from the lungs to the bronchus, where it’s now replicating SEVENTY times faster than previous variants.

The entire world is about to catch a cold, however very few people will die.

The Delta variant mortality rate was significantly higher and we never locked down even during it’s peak.

Governments across the world are freaking out to shut down EVERYTHING over the most mild variant we’ve seen by far.



No Covid = No fear = No control = No Vaccine ID…etc.

The beginning of the end of the Great Reset.


Gail Combs

Sure looks like someone was doing a bit of ‘genetic engineering’ either God or Man or most probably BOTH.



Good Guy(s) countering Evil…FauXi-Menegele, CDC, Chinee and Mr. Global.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

James Webb Space Telescope launch…

has not slipped!

But still five days to go…





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That looks like child abuse to me. Poor kid one can deal with this little one differently.
I never liked to threaten kids like that with Father Christmas.


Rumble — Charlemagne asks Kamala who is the REAL President…

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Prayers needed for Jan 6 prisoners – who are being punished because the false flag is being exposed.


This is also in Darren Beatie’s article.
Did anyone here of this insident?

One of the unindicted co-conspiritors mentioned, was actually on the “Hippies for Trump” bus, which was stopped by the Fed on the the day before on the 5th.
They apparently found weapons on the bus and DNA tested were done to identify the handler of the weapons.
That means the FEDS know exactly who this guy is but he is not arrested and indicted:

Gail Combs

I am in NC and I never heard about it.

These are the only two stories I found.

North Carolina Man Arrested In Washington DC Ahead of Violent Protests

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Donald Trump descends Trump Tower on an escalator to announce his candidacy for US president on 16 June 2015.”



“Hippies for Trump”: Asheville man among nine North Carolinians arrested for right-wing insurrection at U.S. Capitol


The Pulse is a ?nonpartisan blog? about the issues, debates, and people that affect North Carolina public policy. As with the organization that sponsors it, NC Policy Watch, its ultimate objective is to improve the quality of life in the state by publishing timely, accessible and credible news and commentary that advances the public debate. 

And the parent organization:


Our mission is to eliminate poverty in North Carolina by ensuring that every household in the state has access to the resources, services, and fair treatment it needs to achieve economic security.

They are PRO DACA & ‘Immigration Rights’

From last year:


North Carolina needs to protect all workers from the devastating effects of COVID-19. Creating an OSHA standard for businesses would help keep workers and their families safe at a time when many people have no choice but to go to work….

People of color are suffering from higher rates of COVID-19 infection and are disproportionately represented in the highest risk jobs in North Carolina.


Gail Combs


…So, let’s get this straight: Multiple FBI informants infiltrated militia groups for months and worked directly with FBI handlers in numerous cities and who-knows-how-many FBI agents were mixed in the crowd on January 6, but Wray still couldn’t stop a bunch of unarmed retired military LARPers, organic furries, and Midwestern meemaws from taking selfies in the Rotunda?

Color me skeptical.


She’s still going…..!

Gail Combs


And I STILL think that law is completely unconstitution!

Federal Crimes: Trespass on the U.S. CapitolTrespassing in restricted areas, impeding the duties of the Capitol Police, and obstructing Congressional business carry federal penalties.

Federal law provides misdemeanor and felony penalties for trespassing acts occurring in Capitol buildings and on Capitol grounds. These acts range from unlawful entry to discharging weapons.

A person who commits the following acts faces up to six months’ imprisonment and a $5,000 fine:

+enters or remains on the floor or in the gallery of the U.S. Senate or House chambers without authorization

+obstructs or impedes passage through or within the Capitol building or grounds

+damages or destroys property in Capitol buildings or on Capitol grounds, or

assaults an individual in a Capitol building or on Capitol grounds.

The penalties increase to a class E felony—punishable by up to five years in prison and a $250,000 fine—for the following violations involving weapons, force, or violence:

+ carrying, having readily accessible, discharging, or transporting any firearm, dangerous weapon, or explosive on in Capitol buildings or on Capitol grounds, or

+with force or violence, entering or remaining on the floor of either chamber.

The potential imprisonment doubles if the violation occurs in any area cordoned off or restricted due to the presence of the President, Vice President, President-elect, or Vice President-elect….

Most of these people HAVE NO PRIOR ARRESTS OR CONVICTIONS and yet are DENIED BAIL while Violent Antifa members trying to burn down federal court houses were back out on the street the next day.


Someone said, calling it a terrorist thing + the Patriot Act, enabled this.


That answers my question in part. What agency/entity is in charge of making sure the Constitution is followed regarding prisoners?


Maybe the courts – apprised of a violation by the prisoner and his lawyer.

Gail Combs

Should be the Supreme Court.

Hopefull when this all shakes out the Patriot Act will be scuttled and those Federal Trespass laws (THANKS OBAMA!) will be found unconstitutional

From the Russian Times no less!

Obama signs anti-protest Trespass Bill — RT USA News

Obama signs anti-protest Trespass Bill. Only days after clearing Congress, US President Barack Obama signed his name to H.R. 347 on Thursday, officially making it a federal offense to cause a disturbance at certain political events — essentially criminalizing protest in the States. RT broke the news last month…


But something is wrong when we are guaranteed a speedy trial without indefinite detention and cruel and unusual punishment, yet people have been held for almost a year with no end in sight. If it has to make its way to SCOTUS, that’s taking too long.

Gail Combs

The whole darn system IS CORRUPT!!!

If you are not a Demon-Rat, forget getting any Just-Us and it is not just the Jan 6th mess.

The guy down the street is a forester and found a major maryjane plantation. After he reported it, he could not leave his driveway without the local cops waiting to give him a ticket.

The cop a few houses down refused to work in our county…. I have lots more stories of corruption


Allow me to point out that incarceration beyond the maximum sentence is a per se violation of the Eight Amendment. Every defense attorney who has not filed a habeas corpus petition under these circumstances has committed legal malpractice and should have their bar card pulled.

And then get sued by the family(s).

Gail Combs

I think in some case the people have not even been indicted!

(Don’t quote me on that, just an impression from what was said on Steve Bannon’s war room)

Also in many cases the people have Public (read commie) Offenders.


Some (3 or 4) of the best defense attorneys I knew during my 12 year career as a paralegal were public defenders.

Just saying.

It was a Gitmo slimeball jihadi who cemented the right to habeas when subjected to open-ended incarceration.

Note to Admin: I’m not being argumentative with Gail. I like Gail so don’t put me into that briar patch.  😆 

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Gail Combs

AHHHhhh but were they DC public defenders??

There have been some horror stories about what has been going on.

IIRC one of the DC public Defenders was making his client take CRT training for example.

Solitary confinement & CRT training = Brainwashing???

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I have much hot anger at ANY defense attorney who fails to use every legitimate maneuver to help his/her client’s legal position. My point was that not all PDs are in the useless/damaging category. Maybe most but not all.



Sorry for double posting.


I wonder if there is some other reason for PDJT to be in Texas.


He’s there with Bill O’Reilly on their Tour thing. Abbott just started construction on Trumps Wall with a Saturday opening but not seeing that Trump linked up with that.




And Jeffress is on the advisory board of Pence’s grift. (Advancing American Freedom) Another two-faced disappointment.


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Deplorable Patriot

This is true. Most of them have to learn for themselves.

Gail Combs

I always try to remember that on a blog, there is often a large unseen audience. Therefore I try to bring FACTS to the table PERIOD.


… and God only knows how many are FIB or Clowns In America.

Gail Combs



It’s a bloody parade … and they don’t have the decency to at least include music 🤨😑🤚‼️



Confirmation from the horses mouth.
We knew this is happening.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Bacon day!

Gail Combs

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Isn’t that every day whose name ends with “y”?

bflyjesusgrl 🍊 😎NUCLEAR MAGA😎

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Deplorable Patriot

President Trump talked to Maria B. this week. It aired this morning.

bflyjesusgrl 🍊 😎NUCLEAR MAGA😎

He had a good point about who? is running the Presidency. Creepy indignant and against $450K for illegals in presser, then agreeable to it after speaking to his handlers. Saw article yesterday, that nonsense is currently OFF the table.

Part 2 will be on her morning show tomorrow. DVR set.

Oh and DeSantis announced he filed paperwork for re-election for FL Governor last month, so him for Prez in 2024 appears off the table.


Julie Kelly retweeted:

Jason Meister retweeted:


Bakocarl thank you for your weekly gifts. I true appriciate you and your offerings here. You truly do God’s work 🙂 God is Good !

I am slowly come out my advent mode preparing myself and my surroundings to celebrate Christ child.
Finally took some Christmas decoration out set up for display. The music is blasting though the house and I am going to reread your posts.

Merry Christmas to you and your family.


The actual quote by Jefferson is “When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.”


Off color but gave me a much needed laugh.


But she can’t recall, where, when or who else was there..

Gail Combs

Episode 1,494 –Voter Fraud; Elon Musk and Human Cyborg
Joe Allen goes over the Human Cyborg advances towards the end of the episode.

However @ around 32 minutes is a Mitch McConnell clip where he insinuates POTUS Trump orchestrated the Jan 6th ‘Insurrection’ worse Borris says the ONLY Candidate Mitch has donated to is LIZ CHENY!!


Mitch is bad he counting on people to believe in him. Many people i know did not see what I saw in him until it was to late. I think since I was not up to date about the players it was easy for me to see things and I was not emotionally invested in them.

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From Anonymous Conservative:

“From here : Klaus Schwab – married to a Rothschild, trained by Henry Kissinger at Harvard School of Business… Established Global Leaders for Tomorrow School which was reestablished as the Young Global Leaders in 2004. … class included, Angela Merkel, Nicholas Sarkozi, Tony Blair… Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, NZ Jazinda Ardern, France’s Macron, Governor Gavin Newsom, Pete Buttigieg, Branson, Black Rock’s Larry Fink, and Chelsea Clinton. In all 1000 global leaders attended school. All pushing vax. and lockdowns. Klaus states that the down turn in economy will increase at the end of the year leading to more violence.”


Klaus Schwab the key stone or the front man for whom ?


Nice how he can predict an economic down turn while being one of the people helping to make it a certainty. Makes him look like a prophet.


In six days it will be Christmas! ….

“Still Still Still”

Still, still, still,
One can hear the falling snow.
For all is hushed,
The world is sleeping,
Holy Star its vigil keeping.
Still, still, still,
One can hear the falling snow.

Sleep, sleep, sleep,
‘Tis the eve of our Saviour’s birth.
The night is peaceful all around you,
Close your eyes,
Let sleep surround you.
Sleep, sleep, sleep,
‘Tis the eve of our Saviour’s birth.

Dream, dream, dream,
Of the joyous day to come.
While guardian angels without number,
Watch you as you sweetly slumber.
Dream, dream, dream,
Of the joyous day to come.



Yes in coming week I get to celebrate birthday twice once mine and once Christ.
I give you a puzzle my real name is the dominion of Christ. 🙂
I take my strength from Christ.


Oh sweet sweet singing … could you please tell me? .. I would love to know .. ❤️ ..

Oh how wonderful to celebrate your birthday the same week as our Savior Jesus, King of King and Lord of Lords .. 🙏🏼 .. … that’s awesome .. 😎❤️😎


Ok, here I go Christel


Oh 😮 You have a very beautiful name, love it‼️
Hmmmmm, … Christ – el …… lovely … ❤️
thank you sweetheart


Your welcome 🙂


 “Priestly Blessings” Prayer from Scripture:Numbers 6:22-27 is known as the “Priestly Blessing” or sometimes the “Aaronic Benediction.”
There are seven requests made in this prayer.
The LORD said to Moses, “Tell Aaron and his sons, ‘This is how you are to bless the Israelites. Say to them: “’The LORD bless you and keep you; the LORD make his face shine upon you and be gracious to you; the LORD turn his face toward you and give you peace.”‘ “So they will put my name on the Israelites, and I will bless them.”
1. The Lord bless you…
The word “bless” means to “provide favor or benefit.”
2. and keep you…
The Hebrew word “keep” means to “watch, guard, defend.”
3. the LORD make his face shine upon you…
This is a request for God’s presence.
4. and be gracious to you…
Grace is God’s undeserved favor. He gives us what we don’t deserve..
5. the Lord turn his face toward you…
Here is a request for God’s fellowship.

6. and give you peace.
The Hebrew word for peace used here is “shalom.” It means “completeness, wholeness, and contentment.”


Beautiful thank you 🙂


… 🙂🤗❤️ …


Correction: diminutive not dominion

bflyjesusgrl 🍊 😎NUCLEAR MAGA😎

Happy Birthday SS1❣ 🎈🎈🎁❤🎁🎈🎈


It is Wednesday the 22, Early and thank you 🙂

bflyjesusgrl 🍊 😎NUCLEAR MAGA😎

My family has 15 & 18. December babies usually get the shaft on Birthday presents/parties because of proximity to Christmas.


Same here. My kids call birthday or Christmas never both. My husband tries to overcompensate 🙂


My sister, the first child and oldest has her birthday on December 26th., .. talked about after the fact. I’m sure my Mom and Dad made sure she was taken care of though.

Deplorable Patriot

Last Advent Mass in the books for me. On to Christmas Eve.

Three in a weekend is good for you, DePat. It’s helping you get back into shape.


.. ❤️ … 🤗


I’d love to hear your voice … 🙂❤️

bflyjesusgrl 🍊 😎NUCLEAR MAGA😎

She’s Angellic!!👼👼👼


I understand she sings the supremo parts….

bflyjesusgrl 🍊 😎NUCLEAR MAGA😎

I had her recording bookmarked in TW before JackRat banned me. All gone! Grrr🤬


Oh 😮🤚❤️ …🤗❤️

Sadie Slays

Rant incoming. Just found out that my Christmas plans were canceled to the Moronic fear-mongering.

The original plan was for my (scared and injected) relatives to come visit shortly after Christmas and spend some time together. Two hours ago, they announced that they are coming over TOMORROW (T-minus 12 hours from the time I’m writing this) to drop some Christmas stuff off, maybe go shopping, and that’s it. That’s their Christmas visit. Their reason? They heard on the TV that “by the end of winter, everyone will have either been vaccinated or have had COVID.” Yes, that is exactly what they said. They’re going to some Christmas Eve thing that they had already planned to attend, and then “quarantining for two weeks.”

I am livid right now.


I am so sorry and feel for you 


Sad. sorry to read of this.

Wondering what ignorance will come from BiteMe and his criminal handlers this week.


I’d announce that I’m busy with my own plans. Totally serious.


I do not like surprises like that at all. Media has some people riled up and they make foolish choices.
I feel for Sadie.

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B I N G O !


IMO they need a dose of reality, Sadie. The world does not revolve around them and what they believe. They are saying they trust liars and propagandists over you and the relationship. Hard pass if it was me.

I’m not big on enabling others to be mini-dictators relating to my and my loved ones’ lives no matter the family ties. Respect is a two way street and it should be automatic, assumed to be the case without even a thought. When it is not, we move on until/if it is.

Sadie Slays

I agree with you and Gingersmom and everyone else. I know. I get it. I’ve got reasons I won’t go into for why I agreed to this nonsense. And, frankly, it’s probably better this way because, right now, I’m feeling like too much of a Grinch for anything more than a brief visit.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Similar situation here.

Was going to visit family Xmas eve, but then I got a text asking would I be willing to be tested because three people (who are friends, not family) are vaccinated and freaking out.

I told the texter (who is on the same page as I on this) that I might not be willing to cater to their irrationality, let me think about it.

Got a text two days later; those people won’t be coming by because of all the unvaxxed people they’d be running into.

Which is fine with me. I don’t even know one of the three.

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Anybody who behaves like this at this juncture is just not smart enough to be my friend, period.

This information is too available, if you are a smart person.

If all they do is watch mainstream news, read mainstream press, and worship at the altar of Fauci-Mengele, they are of no interest to me at all.

I don’t hate them, but I don’t want anything at all to do with them. And yes, this includes family. It feels somewhat akin to what must have happened with families at the time of the Revolution or the Civil War. Somebody is on the wrong side of history. I don’t think it’s gonna be me.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Yeah, I was willing to stay away if I was required to take the test.


Sadie Slays

Yup. Fuck this shit.




Family or friend pushing a test, I am out. No test. No injection. No passport, short of the one below. None of that crap.

Half way to Texas to visit daughter her hub and two youngsters. The rents are injected. Doing my best to educate them to not inject the ten and seven yo.

Since Covid arrived early 2020, we have visited three times without issue.

Anything changes, we are gone. I can just as easily find something else to do for a week or two on the road.

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SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA


No damn test.


Yeah. No test at someone else’s behest. And my health status is none of their business. If they don’t trust me to use good judgment, then sayonara.

Sadie Slays

Same, and I suspect that’s the reason for the abrupt change of plans. Masks, injections, and tests are a hard “no” here.

Sadie Slays

Sheesh, people have really lost their damn minds. Sorry you have to deal with that crap. You were much more cordial than I would have been.

Sadly, I suspect there’s a similar dynamic underlying this surprise visit. The relatives seem terrified of people who reject masks and injections, but know damn well that that demanding masks, injections, and tests is a hard “I am prepared to never speak to you again” boundary, so the short visits are an unspoken compromise between us. Yes, visits. They pulled the same shit months ago (albeit with more advanced warning). 

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

No reason to be rude. The person who texted me was only passing along the request.

I never did give an answer (and a “fuck them” would have pissed off third parties who would have been mad at me for upsetting them); the three just decided too many of us were unvaxxed for their own safety. Problem solved.


I’m sorry Sadie, it’s just awful. People are terrified .. 🥺😞🤚💔


I’m sorry Sadie. That sucks.

“Heard on the TV.” The four most ignorance-inducing words in the English language.

Sadie Slays

Worse, I suspect they were quoting Fauci himself, but can’t prove it.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

German Health Minister, and it got picked up by fake news. Maybe MSNBC.

Here is the weird deal – it’s actually almost true. Let me explain what IS true.

What’s out there now was almost 100% Delta, but now Omicron is barging in, so it’s 100% {Delta+Omicron}. Both of those are sufficiently different from Wuhan that neither Wuhan vaccination nor Wuhan recovery will fully protect you. BUT it looks like Omicron INFECTION is mild and a strong immunizer – almost certainly for DELTA, since Omicron is closer to Delta than it is to Wuhan, which is the vaccines.

So the best protection against Delta is Omicron, not the Wuhan vaccines, IMO.

This is why Malone is saying that it looks like a live attenuated transmissible vaccine – basically an airborne cowpox for Delta.

Whether it’s GOD or the WHITE HATS or angels or even GOOD PENCILNECK, doesn’t matter. Omicron is great stuff that is gonna give Delta a BAD TIME.

It may be the firebreak that puts this fire OUT for good, if we’re lucky.

There is some possibility that Omicron is biological counterwarfare – particularly if the scariants are being released or promoted by the WEFFEN SS and the other clowns behind the Great Reset.


It’s a cult. It wouldn’t matter what you said or did.

The only way out of a cult is a personal decision to leave. Even with deprogramming, the person has to come to it on their own, just like AA. No one can force it.


It’s interesting that they think a two-week quarantine is what needs to happen. The news changes daily about COVID variants, how virulent they are, how many people are sick or hospitalized, etc. What crystal ball is telling people how long to lock themselves up? And does its name start with an F? Or maybe a B, with the prediction about the dark winter of death, or whatever it was.


May God bless you, carl!

Sylvia asked me to post this here from OT because of a timeline that does not seem to fit. It may be nothing, but maybe not. Forgive me if this is silly.

December 19, 2021 at 8:49 pm
I love you all and have not posted lately. Have lots to do.

Yet something became very apparent yesterday with the announcement of this NY bill that may give the Governess the ability to remove people from their homes if they pose a threat to the ‘public safety’.

Sounds silly, until you remember the people in DC prisons.

This is long, but I would so appreciate other comments. May God bless you all.

December 19, 2021 6:39 pm
Reply to Seneca the Elder

I went back to SD’s article today because I am so unnerved by this, and not even did my state Senator inform us about any of this…one YEAR ago. She seems to plan women’s networking events and blood drives.
So, I did three minutes of digging to find out which moron introduced the bill, and it is right in front of our faces.

This is what I wrote to my news buddies:

“It seems the instigator of all of this is a Nick Perry from Brooklyn, who ran UNOPPOSED in 2020. We NYers need to do a deep dive on this person’s background. Is he another plant?

This seems to be the same MO as our GOP head in our city. He single-handedly decided not to run one Republican for our city council members. We now have BLM members and one person who is not using his legal name on our council. Our mayor works for a Booz-Allen alumni money moving company.
Our GOP chair never sent us any request for candidates…two election cycles. He could have put his name on the ballot or we would have put our names on.
Read this bill.”

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NY State Assembly Bill A416
S T A T E O F N E W Y O R K _____ 416 2021-2022 Regular Sessions I N A S S E M B L Y (PREFILED) January 6, 2021 _____ Introduced by M. of A. PERRY — read once and referred to the Committee on Health AN ACT to amend the public health law, in relation to the removal of cases, contacts and carriers of communicable diseases who are poten- tially dangerous to the public health THE PEOPLE OF THE …

Then I find this….

Take a look at the Jamaican who introduced this bill. I cannot tell you how outraged I am. Is he a plant? Read the bio.

“New York Assemblyman N. Nick Perry was born and raised in Jamaica, West Indies. The fourth of five sons in a family of eleven children, he completed his secondary education at Kingston College (H.S.) where he attended on a full scholarship, and worked for the Bustamante Industrial Trade Union before traveling to the U.S. in the summer of 1971.
Upon arriving in the U.S., Perry volunteered for the selective service, and was drafted into the U.S. Army where he served for two years of active duty and four years on reserve status. He is the recipient of several service medals and was honorably discharged with the rank of Specialist E-5. Perry then attended college on the G.I. Bill, graduating from Brooklyn College with a B.A. in Political Science, and later studied for an M.A. in Public Policy and Administration. While in college Perry was a student leader and student rights activist, founding the United Student League, the college’s prominent student government party.

After college, Perry got involved with community organizing and gained recognition as an effective advocate and strong leader in his community. He was appointed to the local Community Board, where he demonstrated the leadership skills that propelled him to election by his colleagues as Chairman. He was reelected to five consecutive one-year terms, during which he served on the Brooklyn Borough Board.
Assemblyman Perry was first elected to the New York State Assembly in 1992 to represent the 58th Assembly District, which was newly reapportioned to Brooklyn. Perry was elected unopposed in November 2020 to his 15th consecutive two-year term. In 2020, Assemblyman Perry was elected and served as a Biden pledged delegate (NY-9).
Assemblyman Perry is currently the Assistant Speaker Pro Tempore of the New York State Assembly, and Regional Vice Chairman, (Region 2, NY & PA) of the National Black Caucus of State Legislators (NBCSL). Assemblyman Perry currently serves on the New York Assembly Committees on: Rules, Ways & Means, Codes, Banks, Labor, and Transportation.Perry is the former Chairman of the New York State Black, Puerto Rican, Hispanic, and Asian Legislative Caucus.”
A Jamaican is suggesting to a Marxist controlled State House that a lunatic Governess can have citizens taken out of their homes for any reason. See Goldman Sachs TB announcement as well.
We lost Sheriff Butch Anderson this year which we are all still smarting from. Not sure if his circumstances are as recorded in the paper and what pressure his replacement is like…but the lunatic Governess, I believe, has the power to appoint another.
Your thoughts?
Then I emailed this to CTH after they approved my comment…seems I had too many links…

“PS Puddy,

If your crack feline research department takes a look at my post…how was this introduced from a Brooklyn state rep foreigner this last January? Yes, I understand that this bloke was placed in the Army, somehow became a Sergeant, and probably allowed US citizenship but WTH? He also seems to have received money and placement all along the way from Kingston, Jamaica…seems like an Obama minibot.
What was the timeline for Australia’s demonic behavior, and why did this bill sit without action from Epiphany 2021 until now? Nothing adds up. This bill seems prearranged, IMHO.

We are exhausted in NY!!!! Yet, I still cannot unsee things. I still have my eyes and ears. I so hope your family is well.”
This may be difficult to put together, but someone seems to have written this bill prior to Australia and NZ creating their dictatoral implementation?.

Can anyone help me put this together? Maybe at Wolf’s? And maybe it is nothing.


Wow just wow I am speechless. My husband is from NYC and I lived there for a while and loved it.
I pray that this madness stops.


singingsoul1, thank you for responding.

I seem not to have normal response capabilities outside WP, so allow me to tell everyone here I can read their posts but not might see them if I close the page at my insert. So, my apologies in advance.

May God bless you.


You are welcome. My daughter lives in CT and when we used to visit her we always spend time in NYC. I feel your pain. Somehow I feel all will be well.


I grew up in CT coast!


Nice 🙂