Dear KMAG: 20190629 Open Topic

Welcome! The doors are open, come on inside!

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This Shining Light Saturday Open Thread is VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the KMAG world.

Come on in and get comfy:

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Free Speech is practiced here at the Q Tree. In fact, our host Wolfmoon encourages us to use it…and Enjoy it. “Use it or lose it”, he tells us.
But please keep it civil. Discussion of Q is not only allowed but encouraged. Imagine that! We can talk about Q here and not get banned.
Please also consider the Important Guidelines, outlined here in the January 1st open thread. Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven that Wolf has created for us.

Remember – your greatest gift to President Trump is FIVE WORDS:

I AM PRAYING FOR YOU.

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Wheatie’s Rules:

  1. No food fights.
  2. No running with scissors.
  3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.

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For your listening enjoyment, I offer this composition from Twelve Titans Music, titled ‘Bound By Purpose’:

[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72KbtAK4z0k&w=640&h=360]

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Visual Descriptions for our dear Zoe, and for anyone else who may find them helpful:
Top Image: Is a gigantic Tree reaching up into white fluffy clouds. Rays of the sun are emerging through the clouds and are streaming through the Tree’s leafy canopy and massive branches. There are wisps of clouds around the lower sections of the Tree’s giant trunk.
Second Image: Is a view of a winding stone path surrounded on each side by a thick growth of a variety of colorful flowers. The path leads to an arched doorway with double doors. There is an ornate metal gate as an outer cover for the doorway. More flowers and lush green ivy completely surround the doorway on all sides.
Third Image: Is a rounded open room-sized viewing deck, looking out over tree tops. There is a cushioned S-shaped seating console in the center of the room, with lots of throw pillows. Round cushioned ottomans are positioned against it, fitting into the concave sections of it’s S-shape. Towards the outer edge of the deck is a small fire pit in the center of a round cushioned bench. There is free-form railing around the outer edge of the deck.
Fourth Image: President Trump is sitting at his desk in the oval office, reading some papers. Sunlight is streaming in from one of the windows behind him, illuminating both him and the papers he is holding. An aide is standing beside the desk, and looks like he is waiting for President Trump to read what he is looking at.

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bakocarl

MAGA Mom June 28, 2019 at 11:12
Today, I mourn.
Coldeadhands June 28, 2019 at 13:17
Death is a teacher like no other.
duchess01 June 28, 2019 at 11:26
– we will all be reunited someday –
Today, I Mourn
Today, I mourn
Though not for another, but for me
A soul passed out of my life to be free
Free from this world of troubles and sin
But leaving, with me, an emptiness within
Death is a teacher like no other
I learn for myself from another
What I count as loss, God makes it known
That the absent soul is on its way home
I see darkly now, and only in part
But need not suffer a troubled heart
The soul that left me will be with the Lord
In joy and peace and eternal reward
And sometime at the end of my days
When my own soul leaves, rising in praise
We’ll meet again on that beautiful shore
To give God the glory forever more
There still remains a longing of sorts
For a part of my life, now cut short
To bless and be blessed, now gone somehow
So I’ll have faith and wait, but for now
Today, I mourn

Sylvia Avery

Oh Carl. Best ever. Unquestionably. Thank you for that.

ForGodandCountry

Your prolific and talented output is a wonder.

MAGA Mom

Amazing. Impactful. Touching. Uplifting. Comforting. Healing.
Thank you for using your gifts to serve others.
I have loved this song for a long time. We all need friends who we know will lift us up to God in prayer. The image of friends as sheltering trees is that much more meaningful amongst this group of friends, adds an entirely new layer.
We rely on those who provide a treehouse to us and maybe we all have a treehouse to share, shelter from the storms of life. Sometimes we stand on our own, one tree, one small shelter. Sometimes we join together making a Forrest offering much shelter. Sometime we seem shelter and sometimes shelter is ours to give.
BakoCarl, thank you for all you give.

MAGA Mom

God and time…

MAGA Mom

God and time – take two
(We won’t sin in ?Heaven but will we be infallible? At least not make silly mistakes like wrong links?😉)

Ddanna

This is Beautiful Carl!

duchess01

carl, your are a treasure God has saved for us to savor in this time and place – you have discovered God’s secret – how He uses you to reach out to others – where He sends you to get your inspiration – what He wants you to say – when it is important to say it – and why you must say it! This, my friend, is how the Spirit of God works within you to bless us! God will bless you right back abundantly and profoundly with JOY!

Concerned Virginian

bakocarl
Thank you so much — this is one of your very best.
I don’t believe in “happenstance”.
Today is my late father’s birthday. He passed away in 2006. It still feels to me like yesterday.
Blessings on you, bakocarl, your words are helping on a tough day.

phoenixRising

oh wheatie……………………………..
been waiting all day… there are no words……………..
thank you

Linda

Excellent choice, Wheatie!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

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Sylvia Avery

The tree is beautiful….so are the flowers at the door, the interior shot, all of it. Just wonderful. And the music. And I especially loved the pic of PDJT with the light on him. You have such a knack, Wheatie.

ozzytrumpster

Wait we lost duchess and cold dead hands?.

ozzytrumpster

And maga mum?

MAGA Mom

No. Discussions and sharing about loss and grieving, about life going forward

ozzytrumpster

That’s such a relief. I feel you are all family now

JasonD

Fox may be owned by some people of dubious character, but they employ a few fine people …

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as evidence, amongst others …

JW in Germany

Amazing! I would like to think that I would have done the same thing—but nobody knows until they are actually in THE situation. Respect!

JasonD

Hi Wheatie.
I am backward in coming forward with thanks – just how I am, sadly … 🙂
Great selection today, as per usual – So thank you for what you do for us!!!
Loved “Bound by Purpose” – sets the tone for where things are headed over the coming year …

kyblue

I particularly liked the first one, the garden bursting with color. And the stone gate. About like a secret garden 😋
Yours, wheatie?

kyblue

😉 loved all but the garden is gorgeous. I want it 🥰

cthulhu

Rumor has it that VSGPOTUSDJT arrived 17 minutes late for his bilat with China. 17…..I wonder what that could mean…….

patfrederick

hmmmm…detained? possibly, but 17 (!) minutes? hehe

Molly Pitcher5

In order to create a more welcoming environment to a diverse community, we are going to forgo saying the Pledge of Allegiance before every meeting,” said Council Member Tim Brausen. At the meeting, Brausen said members might recite it in the future if there’s an appropriate opportunity, for example is the Boy Scouts are there.
Council member Anne Mavity, who sponsored the rules change, told KARE 11 that she doesn’t feel saying the pledge is necessary, especially for non-citizens.
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-minnesota-city-council-ditch-pledge-of-allegiance-20190628-kmxnd23duvgvtn7gaqg3b7l4ta-story.html
This is what I don’t understand about accommodating the illegals. if they’re not her in this country to enjoy the traditions and freedoms WE hold dear why would they feel not welcomed if the Pledge was recited?
Why are they here if that makes them feel weird ans why the F would any red blooded American vote for this.
People have been brainwashed so badly

Concerned Virginian

The population of St. Louis Park is “81% non-Hispanic white”. This usage refers to people who do not identify as/ do not have sufficient DNA, to be “non-white” (Asian, African, Maori, etc.).
St. Louis Park is a suburb of Minneapolis.
How much of that “81% non-Hispanic white” includes a SIGNIFICANT number of non-Somali MUSLIMS?

Cuppa Covfefe

Nope. Non-Hispanic White was instituted to make Caucasians effectively subordinate to any flavor of Hispanics. In other words, NHWs used to be called White.
I believe it happened in the disaster known as the Carter Presidency… I routinely check “other” and fill in the blank as “White”. I’m sick of this PC crap.

singingsoul1

Molly Pitcher5
“In order to create a more welcoming environment to a diverse community, we are going to forgo saying the Pledge of Allegiance before every meeting,” said Council Member Tim Brausen. At the meeting, Brausen said members might recite it in the future if there’s an appropriate opportunity, for example is the Boy Scouts are there.”
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I do not understand how saying the pledge of the legion is offending anyone specially if one is living in the US.
When I was not a citizen and just had my green card I knew where I was and therefore expected people to say the pledge of the legion.
I have a funny feeling though that the US citizens who willingly to step aside toss their traditions of saying the pledge of the legion are not comfortable themselves saying it and therefore use non citizens as their crutch .
Or, they are just stupid what’s been held dear to erase it for the benefit of those who do not share our values.

Molly Pitcher5

Oh and sorry I forgot..Wheatie this collection of pix is absolutely artistic. They’re great. So lucky to have you creating these headers! Awesome

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

🐺 = <3
but not always obvious! 😉

Sylvia Avery

Sure it is, Wolfie.

Sylvia Avery

He doesn’t really need to say it–it shines off of him like a beacon. We are blessed here, truly.

Sue Mcdonald

Good morning to all my treeper friends. Just lurking as of late,too much work to be done on the place so while the sun is shining time get things done.were still cleaning and clearing debris from the snowmaggedon, we have several cords of wood now and today will be spent clearing tree limbs from the creek.hubby finished the new carport last week and now it’s on to rebuilding the back deck roof.
Loved the poem Carlos,so thought provoking to me as I’ve come very close to death twice and your words touched my soul deeply. And I always enjoy wheaties tree pics so much thank you for so much for posting them. And with that being said I must drink the rest of my coffee and get dressed the day😊 I will be back to read the news round up ,I never miss fleps news round up may everyone have a wonderful and blessed day!

Molly Pitcher5

one last robo post.
What’s up with these far north States?? lol
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jun/22/wahsayah-whitebird-communist-party-member-elected-/
Wisconsin Native American, a Communist Party member, elected to city council

patfrederick

it’s a multi-pronged attempt to herd patriotic Americans into the heart of the country where we can be more easily contained and eliminated…sounds over-the-top, no? but gees…the coasts are getting almost completely overrun…Maine is becoming a Somali/African stronghold-southern border is porous and being overrun–so where is their next conquest? the northern border–many Somalis/Muslims there…we are being forced inland for a reason…I need coffee (necesito mas cafe lol) sorry if this is too tin foil-y for this early in the morning

mandy

Reasonable conclusion drawn from examination of the evidence combined with knowledge of history.

ozzytrumpster

To the best of my knowledge, admittedly limited. The land is flat in the us Center.Great Plains. Isolated populations. Difficult to launch, sustain an insurgency. Easy to cut supplies,coms?

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

In the dead center, yes.
Running just east of midway down through Colorado, though–serious mountains, higher than anything you have in Oz (although New Guinea does edge us out). It’s a very abrupt transition from high prairie (5-7 thousand feet) to mountains. It’s mountains alternating with desert from there west, almost to the California coast.

ozzytrumpster

With modern surveillance and detection equipment ie drones it would be hard to hide in countryside. In population would be risky for said population. Rebellion ain’t what it used to be.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Yeah, it’d be interesting to see the tricks a successful “resistance” would have to use today.

ozzytrumpster

Be an interesting question to ask Thomas Wictor.
On the plus side the us public have more guns then the army, airforce, Leo’s of both us and China put together. And they know how to use em. And there are enough suspicious types with unregistered guns to make it damn near impossible to confiscate enough of them.
By suspicious I mean not trusting of government.
But I think Potus has got this and is just playing with the prey/building a cast iron obliteration of said prey.
Did you know in Rome one of the actual, real punishments was to be sewn into a sack with a cock a cat and maybe something else then thrown into the Tiber. Be less painful that what’s coming for traitors

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I think that was the punishment for killing your father (parricide). I just heard about it.

ozzytrumpster

Yep. Parricide . Hard on the cats and cocks of course.
Fuck with the drinking water too

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

The romans didn’t drink the water in the Tiber; they brought it in from well upstream via aqueduct.

ozzytrumpster

In fact they devastated agricultural land up hill from Rome with a huge network of aqueducts taking all the water to Rome. Engineering marvels with precision falls using water levels to make falls approx 1” over a mile. Also they had a cement that set underwater. Scientists still haven’t figured out how they did it. All water sent to Rome went to public fountains and private homes before being routed back to Tiber via the clochea, the main drain.BUT the water ran continually. They had NO TAPS.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

…and that’s why lead pipes probably weren’t an issue, as some speculate. The water didn’t sit in those pipes stationary for hours or days, like it would with modern plumbing. Continuous movement.

ozzytrumpster

It was probably malaria that destroyed the Roman Empire, introduced by returning soldier from their conquests from Africa and African slaves. Malaria- big increases in miscarriage, stillbirth, child and adult mortality and morbidity. Had to grant citizenship to barbarians who were such a large ethnic bloc they didn’t assimilate. Sound familiar?

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Vaguely.

ozzytrumpster

Those that ignore history are bound to repeat it

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

History doesn’t actually repeat…but it sure does rhyme.

ozzytrumpster

In fact they devastated agricultural land up hill from Rome with a huge network of aqueducts taking all the water to Rome. Engineering marvels with precision falls using water levels to make falls approx 1” over a mile. Also they had a cement that set underwater. Scientists still haven’t figured out how they did it. All water sent to Rome went to public fountains and private homes before being routed back to Tiber via the clochea, the main drain.BUT the water ran continually. They had NO TAPS.
The Tiber became a sewer. Tough if you lived downstream. Imagine how smelly

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Ostia probably stank.

ozzytrumpster

They were advanced for their time but we’d be horrified

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

https://geology.com/state-map/
This site might look a bit cheesy but the “elevation map” (or “physicial map”) column points to some very well done maps (even if they are Mercator) showing terrain.
Idaho looks particularly interesting, long lines of mountains and it looks like a bulldozer knocked down a big swath of them. That bulldozer is the hot spot currently under Yellowstone in NW Wyoming; North America is moving westward over that spot, and when it blows, it’s a VERY big Kaboom!! taking out a mountain *range* not just a mountain. Ticking time bomb, goes off every couple of million years.

ozzytrumpster

Ahh yes the funwhatsimacallit that is Yellowstone. Enormous volcano. Last time it had a hissy fit it blew a hole in the sierras. Quite unstable too, I’ve read. Not the pacific ring of fire that California is part of but if it blows the whole ring will lose ITS shit in a big way from the knock on seismic effect. Like stiff arming a drunk

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

The rockies in general may have been uplifted from a midocean ridge, submerged as North America drited over it, but still trying to do its thing. If you look at a map of the plate boundaries, it looks as if the ridge west of South America and the one west of Oregon and Washington might once have been connected; North America now interrupts it.

Deplorable Patriot

Yes, Yellowstone. We’re right outside the blast zone here.
Added a few more details for our friend down under in another reply.

Deplorable Patriot

There are enough modes of transportation, cutting it all off would take some effort.
However, due to the flatness, and being between the great white north and the Gulf of Mexico, we also have amazingly severe weather year round. Each season brings the potential for a different peril. Cut us off in a heat wave, blizzard, or during tornado season, and, yeah, there will be a lot of casualties.
And then there’s the New Madrid fault. The worst earthquakes in the nation’s history were in the middle of the country.

ozzytrumpster

Eh? It’s the San Andreas that gets international press. The new Madrid needs a new agent

Deplorable Patriot

It’s been over 200 years since the New Madrid REALLY went. There were quakes in back to back years. The second changed the course of the Mississippi River and rang churchbells in Virginia which is 800-1000 miles away.
In fact, here in the Midwest, at least in my city, earthquake proofing is more stringent than California. When that fault does go eventually at full tilt, Memphis and Chicago will have massive damage if they don’t do something.

ozzytrumpster

Is anyone going to miss Chicago?
OTOH it would be like stamping on a bull ants nest. All the freaks would come boiling out looking for trouble

kyblue

You are a ray of sunshine this morning, pat😍
A reasonable argument, but the heartland is full of guns. Scissors too. 😉

patfrederick

😀

pgroup

Has Xi jumped off a skyscraper yet?

cthulhu

17th floor?

pgroup

Q knows?

ozzytrumpster

Jumped or assisted suicide?
I don’t think Potus wants to completely destroy him ,just let him know that he can and that he’s on a very fucking short rope. Remember, saw the other day.the best way to control the enemy is to lead them

Molly Pitcher5

lol…Justina might though….if you’re going to snub a world leader on his election…this is what ya get
https://twitter.com/Bry574/status/1144832681785479170

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Exactly. Bolsonaro has excellent common sense and gut instincts on things, very much like Trump – especially the ability to NOT take the easy way out, offered by the swamp. It’s no wonder that the swamp compared him to Trump!!!

cthulhu

This guy took a knife in the gut in an assassination attempt just prior to winning his election. He ain’t no twinkie. OTOH, he deserves every encouragement he gets.

ozzytrumpster

He’s already done hand to hand training. Completely excess to the effort required to take out these creampuffs

ozzytrumpster

Fucking hilarious

JW in Germany

SNUB OF THE CENTURY! 😂🤣😂
I sent that to my entire family—including my crazy liberal uncle! LOL! Still chuckling……

Molly Pitcher5
ozzytrumpster

Oh he wil. Remember Potus he don’t lose

patfrederick

isn’t he looking into delaying it, till SCOTUS gets it right?

ozzytrumpster

No scouts want the lawyers to get it right and I believe they told them how to fix it

duchess01

I believe he does, wheatie – when the court reconvenes – the Trump Team will pursue this issue again – they do have a strategy – but, I cannot seem to find it just yet – PT will prevail – and the snowflakes will go bonkers – because it will expose (partially) the number of illegals in this country – I say say partially – because many of them will not fill out the census for fear of detention, loss of benefits, and deportation –
I am confident we will win – but, hey – that is just me! (Court reconvenes in September)

debutromance

As an act of civil disobedience it’s worth considering. After all, wasn’t it California’s Nancy Pelosi who praised the civil disobedience of such groups as BLM/Antifa/Kavanaugh thugs? She said civil disobedience is a ‘proud American tradition.’
I’m sure she would approve of your idea. Right? Right?

Cuppa Covfefe

Hmmm. Might create a new category: Undocumented Citizen 🙂

Deplorable Patriot

While I agree with the sentiment, not participating is self-defeating in this case. You do want yourself counted when it comes down to it.
However, if there is a comment section on the form itself, I would express said sentiment to the Commerce Department. Chances are the person reading the form will disagree with you.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

The only question constitutionally mandated is “how many people live here.”

pgroup

How long before blow off turns into blow up?

Nor'easter

Same play they pulled on Devin Nunes, which hamstrung him as chair of the house intelligence committee in 2017.
From an older politico article (2017):
In a statement Thursday, Nunes thanked the panel “for completely clearing me today of the cloud that was created by this investigation, and for determining that I committed no violation of anything — no violation of House Rules, law, regulations, or any other standards of conduct.”
“While I appreciate the Ethics Committee’s work, I need to reiterate that the allegations against me were obviously frivolous and were rooted in politically motivated complaints filed against me by left-wing activist groups,” he said.
He also accused Democrats on the panel making statements “that appeared to prejudge this matter before they began investigating the complaint,” and called on the committee to release the transcripts related to his case as “an act of transparency and accountability to bolster confidence that partisanship does not infect the Ethics Committee’s investigations.”

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/07/ethics-committee-clears-rep-devin-nunes-287125

Deplorable Patriot

Yep. And Gaetz has the personality that is more likely to flip off these attempts to neutralize him than Nunes. He’s got a pair and he’s not afraid to use them.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

This is the most awesome news….
Hillary Clinton’s Visit To Ireland Ends In Chaos As Protesters Scream ‘Go Home’
READ MORE: https://neonnettle.com/news/4374-hillary-clinton-s-visit-to-ireland-ends-in-chaos-as-protesters-scream-go-home-
© Neon Nettle

patfrederick

isn’t she the inspiration for the Bloody Mary legend…say her name three times while looking into a mirror and she will appear…??

kyblue

Can we say her name three times & she disappears?

patfrederick

that would be an AWESOME trick!!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

LMAO! OMG – you’re RIGHT. One more reason they controlled the media so strongly at their debate.
Not sure if you saw my conversation with Sadie about that. The trick with the live-editing zit on her chin – that speaks to something that is up with these folks. All of them pushing the “deep fake” thing – even the whole UNIPARTY pushing it in Congress – and yet we now know that it has been used for decades, including 9/11.
Something big is up, and I think that VIDEO is tied into it. BE READY.

kyblue

Well. Thank you for bringing a smile so early. Any day starting with bad news for that beast is a good day in my book 🤩
Why would any institution give that phony an honorary anything?
And when is she going to stop meddling in other countries business?

pgroup

As soon as she finds one that won’t extradite her.

kyblue

Good point. Nobody wants her including normal Americans 😉

mandy

Boeing’s 737 Max Software Outsourced to $9-an-Hour Engineers
“It remains the mystery at the heart of Boeing Co.’s 737 Max crisis: how a company renowned for meticulous design made seemingly basic software mistakes leading to a pair of deadly crashes. Longtime Boeing engineers say the effort was complicated by a push to outsource work to lower-paid contractors.
The Max software — plagued by issues that could keep the planes grounded months longer after U.S. regulators this week revealed a new flaw — was developed at a time Boeing was laying off experienced engineers and pressing suppliers to cut costs.
Increasingly, the iconic American planemaker and its subcontractors have relied on temporary workers making as little as $9 an hour to develop and test software, often from countries lacking a deep background in aerospace — notably India.”
more at link:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-28/boeing-s-737-max-software-outsourced-to-9-an-hour-engineers

itswoot

In the aftermath of the Democrat Party debates, I think this is fitting.
“There are but two parties now: traitors and patriots. And I want hereafter to be ranked with the latter and, I trust, the stronger party.”
– Ulysses S. Grant

ozzytrumpster

You get what you pay for. Pay peanuts you get monkeys

Dora
Deplorable Patriot

I would like to add some detail to a short discussion a few of us had yesterday afternoon about dog food.
One of our treemates posted a link to a story that was put out about grain free dog food brands being investigated for possible links to a deadly heart condition that is popping up in breeds not prone to it.
I responded with this:
Note there is not one Purina food on the list from the government other than the Merrick label which Purina bought about three years ago.
Hmm. Imagine that.
Outside of this neck of the woods it is not all that well known, but Purina, the pet food division of the old Ralston-Purina that was split when Nestle bought the grain business, is actually the family company of the Danforths.
Yes, THOSE Danforths. As in former Senator Jack Danforth is a grandson of the founder.
Nowadays, that family is more involved with the old Monsanto, actually. Right across Olive Street Road in Creve Coeur, Missouri, from what used to be the world headquarters of Monsanto is a “stand alone” plant and life sciences lab known as the Donald Danforth Plant and Life Sciences Center. I haven’t been in the building in a while, but it is connected, and was built with Danforth Foundation money. Bill Danforth, the oldest of the grandkids (he’s in his 90s and is a Princeton grad, gentleman, though), decided to support PLS entrepreneurship here in STL when somebody couldn’t get funding for a start up.
At any rate, it is no secret at all that both the FDA and the USDA are essentially revolving door recipients of old Monsanto high brass, except for one person I can name, but won’t just because of this forum. So, ask yourself, why would the government put out a warning on dog food for Purina’s competitors?
Hmm. Yeah, nothing suspicious in that. /s
Full disclosure, one of ours is on Blue Buffalo grain free and has been for years. If that dog is NOT on it, she has anal sac irritation, ear yeast flare ups, skin issues, etc. It’s not pretty. Her heart at almost 13 is fine. Her brother is on a prescription food made by Purina due to diabetes. But his heart is fine after having been on Blue Buffalo for years. He’ll be 12 soon. I also know owners who had their dogs on Merrick who saw changes in coat and more pretty quickly when the ingredients were compromised.
So, always look beyond the headline. Just a friendly here’s the scoop from someone who has been following these people for decades.

This morning, I went looking for more information as the headlines were screaming about grain free brands which Americans have been conditioned to question by the MSM in our own diets.
On story put out by Dogs Naturally Magazine, I found the details that the story copied and pasted by the mainstream media left out of their reporting.comment image
Potatoes? Legumes? Traditionally, those are the leftovers you’re not supposed to feed canines. Potatoes, onions, garlic and a few other things were what the farm people in the family NEVER fed the dogs. Lentils?
If this is the problem, it would be nice if the original reporting actually said that.
https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/news-fda-reports-some-dog-foods-may-cause-heart-disease/

Deplorable Patriot

The other issue that is ticking me off about the reporting is that brand names were put out, but not which specific products are being investigated, and what dog breeds are cropping up with the problem. My breed wasn’t on the list. Just like breeds with fur and standing ears don’t have the level of ear yeast and mite problems that curly coated hair breeds do.
It’s just horrible reporting.

Deplorable Patriot

Yes, this issue has me in a grip this morning. The study started last year. The breeds that seem to be susceptible have mastiffs somewhere in the background of development of the breed and tend to be 4th generation breed away. After all, all dog breeds were once mutts as they were developed. Reporting from last year:
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/dog-heart-disease-linked-food-fda-says-n891011
Some breeds of dog have a genetic predisposition, including great Danes, Newfoundlands, boxers, Doberman pinschers and St. Bernards.
However, the cases that have been reported to the FDA have included golden and Labrador retrievers, whippets, a Shih Tzu, a bulldog and miniature schnauzers, as well as mixed breeds,” the FDA said.
A dietary deficiency may be one cause, according to the Cornell University College of Veterinary Medicine. Heart drugs can be used to treat the symptoms.
The FDA wants to hear from veterinarians who have treated cases of DCM.
“Diets in cases reported to the FDA frequently list potatoes or multiple legumes such as peas, lentils, other ‘pulses’ (seeds of legumes), and their protein, starch and fiber derivatives early in the ingredient list, indicating that they are main ingredients,” the FDA said.
“Early reports from the veterinary cardiology community indicate that the dogs consistently ate these foods as their primary source of nutrition for time periods ranging from months to years. High levels of legumes or potatoes appear to be more common in diets labeled as ‘grain-free,’ but it is not yet known how these ingredients are linked to cases of DCM,” it added.

Sue Mcdonald

We have 2 Pitts and hubby has come up with a plan that he brought to me recently. We raise muscocvy ducks,there the ducks with the best meat ever,not greasy tastes like high end veal. So were going to begin processing the drakes ,freezing them whole and using the bandsaw to slice off what is needed for the dogs to eat. We don’t feed the dogs from table scraps those go to the ducks and chickens, our dogs get sick on scraps. We cook up meat for our dogs,dog food makes our dogs itch and they are miserable. Corn is the worst ingredient in dog food!

Deplorable Patriot

Yes, corn is bad. Our female, most likely, has a grass allergy.

NebraskaFilly

Never ran across that idea of never feeding potatoes, onions, garlic, etc., etc. to dogs. All the people I knew growing up, farmers or otherwise, only worried about them getting chicken or turkey bones. Everything else – leftovers – went into the dog’s bowl.

Deplorable Patriot

Poultry bones – it’s specifically the leg bones because of the way they splinter.
My grandmother was the one who said no potatoes and onions. I can remember her making up dinner for her last dog when she was in her later years. I did the same for our lab in her last six months. Mostly chicken, chicken broth, eggs. She was 14 when we decided it was time for the rainbow bridge.
These two can’t eat cooked chicken. It makes them sick. So, there’s no one size fits all.

NebraskaFilly

I lost my Weimaraner/lab cross thanks to turkey bones.

Deplorable Patriot

😢
When our lab was with us, we learned really quickly to take the trash out when we had chicken. The shepherd mix before her was not as bad about getting into it. And the miniature schnauzer before that was entirely to lazy to even try.

ozzytrumpster

So sad

singingsoul1

NebraskaFilly
“I lost my Weimaraner/lab cross thanks to turkey bones.”
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I am so sorry about you Weimaraner – Lab mix.
I had a rescue Weimaraner he was five when he came to me. He had a list of 25 bad habits his previous owner had written up on him.
He never did anything bad and he was one of the best dogs. He died at 141/2 and that is a good age for Weimaraner. He was active to the end. All he needed was training bringing him from teenage to adulthood. I have never bought a dog always rescue dogs. Never gave bones to my dogs either. My Vet told me horror stories about intestine blockage.
Concerning chicken bones I take them right away to the garbage because my Heeler eats anything.

kyblue

Onions are toxic to dogs. Cats, too

NebraskaFilly

Not all dogs, I know that for a fact. I have had dogs who ate onions with no problem – same with our family dogs through the years.

CM in TN

I think onions and garlic in certain quantities can cause blood poisoning in them. Tomatoes are not good either I’ve heard. When my dalmatian was a puppy, she and her siblings were fed raw chicken without the bones by my buddies mom who raised them.

NebraskaFilly

Personally, I think it comes down to the individual dog, just like people! Aren’t there some dogs (Schnauzers, maybe?) that can’t drink milk? Think I heard that somewhere.

CM in TN

yeah, I had a mini schnauzer before and he was very sensitive to the types of food he could have. Always had the yeasty ears…had to keep them plucked. Had to keep his hair trimmed so his skin wouldn’t get bad. Great dog, highly intelligent, but high maintenance too!

NebraskaFilly

My sister had one she took in the truck with her – Gidget – who had NO problems whatsoever. As with all animals, much depends on the bloodlines. She was a wonderful dog! Someone stole her from my sis’s front yard in a suburb of Baltimore.

singingsoul1

I have one dog who will eat anything if I let her the other Coonhound/Staff eats only enough to live. Life is to exciting to him then eat and when he does he is fussy.
He will never eat raw meat likes if I cook chicken or chicken gizzards and liver for him to add to his kibbles. He loves eggs and vegetables I cook separate from what we eat. No spices added no garlic or onions no avocado or grapes or chocolate and no artificial sweetener that are toxic. My dogs like bone broth when I make it for them. My dogs love apples , watermelon, celery , carrots, asparagus, green beans and lettuce . I realize what works for my animals does not work for all. They have no skin issues no ear problems and are very heathy at 10 and almost 6.
I spoil me dogs and cats 🙂 They are very healthy and happy.

Dora

Very interesting.
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Transcript: ‘All this fuss about spies … it is not worth serious interstate relations’
The Russian president on globalisation, China, Trump and the end of the ‘liberal idea’
https://www.ft.com/content/878d2344-98f0-11e9-9573-ee5cbb98ed36

debutromance

The White House Youtube of President Trump’s presser following the G20 wrap. For a fascinating listen on our complicated relationship with Turkey (the president met with Erdogan while in Osaka), go to 1:45 or so. He talks about it for nearly five minutes. Very Successful Genius trip! And it ain’t over.

Tonawanda

Absolutely fascinating! TY for post!

Gail Combs

About Turkey and Erdogan and the Coup attempt… AND LOGIC
In the last weeks there was a thread about the role of George Papadopoulos and WHY he is so important. It is information that I have never seen touched on before. (Sorry I did not archive the thread DARN IT!)
In a nutshell George and the Middle East were important because there were three possible pipelines carrying gas to the BIG European market.
#1. From Russia going through Turkey
#2. From IRAN going through Turkey
#3. From ISRAEL going through Cyprus & Greece which is where George comes in.
Clinton and OH!Bummer were SUPPORTING IRAN!!! Erdogan decided he liked Russia better that Iran (wrong type of mussie) so the USA/CIA staged a coup.
THINK about OH!bummer trying to get Bibi out of office.
THINK about OH!Bummer SPYING on George and the BRIBE from an Israeli that was supposed to trap George (& Israel)
THINK about all that $$$ going to Iran (for bribes and equipment to get that pipeline built???)
And then there is this…
Exclusive: While advising Trump in 2016, ex-CIA chief proposed plan to discredit Turkish cleric

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Former CIA director James Woolsey pitched a $10 million contract to two Turkish businessmen to help discredit a controversial U.S.-based cleric while Woolsey was an adviser to Donald Trump’s election campaign, three people familiar with the proposal said.
…..The disclosure in March of Flynn’s contract to discredit Gulen sparked intense media scrutiny of people who had worked with Flynn, including Woolsey.
Shortly after, Woolsey alleged in media interviews that Flynn and others had, at a Sept. 19, 2016 meeting in New York, discussed with Turkey’s foreign and energy ministers the idea of covertly spiriting Gulen out of the United States and to Turkey.
Flynn has denied through a spokesman ever discussing such a plan. Alptekin also denied it was ever discussed and said Woolsey’s claim was “all the more astounding” because he had sought Alptekin’s business at a meeting the following day.
“His story is fiction,” Alptekin told Reuters.
Franks said Woolsey stands by his account of the meeting…..

It is ALL ABOUT ENERGY FOLKS!

JW in Germany

Great catch GC!
There are so many aspects—a web—ENERGY is without question at the center of that web!
One of the main reasons Germany lost WWII was the shortage of fuel—aka ENERGY! Very difficult to resupply the troops without fuel.
Gasoline shortages crimped German operations everywhere in the Bulge, attributable partly to the failure to capture American stockpiles and also to lengthy traffic jams on steep, twisting, icy roads behind the lines in the Eifel. General Josef “Sepp” Dietrich’s panzers used up their fuel battering against Elsenborn Ridge for two days, a lack of gasoline abruptly halted the 2nd SS Panzer Division once it had crossed the Ourthe River, and as early as December 19, all of General Hasso von Manteuffel’s tank units were crying for fuel. The 1,500 tanks Hitler had committed to the counteroffensive could not go far.
The enemy’s lack of gasoline and diesel fuel led to transportation deficiencies, which, in turn, resulted in ammunition shortages and more failures all the way down the logistical line. Relentless British and American bombing raids had paralyzed the German transportation system, raw material deliveries had sagged, and the production of tanks, guns, shells, and all types of weapons had subsequently tumbled.

https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/daily/wwii/the-battle-of-the-bulge-an-allied-logistic-victory/

ozzytrumpster

I read a very interesting book and can’t think of the name and author atm but his analysis seemed to clearly prove that neither Germany nor japan had the resources to start the wars. The failure to capture the me oil fields was just the icing on the cake.
Japan, in particular, had already been starved of raw materials by the us so it was war or taking the knee.
Both Germany and Japan didn’t have the sea power, naval and mercantile, and overseas supply line to compensate for their shortfalls. Japan did, immediately set up its resource zone, but too little too late.
This is reminiscent,to me, of Potus strategy of weakening and constraining China. They are trying to set up world wide supply/dominance through belt and road. They gonna end up as roadkill.

JW in Germany

YES! Proving once again that the President is a student of history. Each day, just when I think I can no longer be amazed by him—somebody, like yourself, points out yet another aspect of the President’s genius<<<and I mean that in the exact context of the word. Genius.
Wolf's QTree is reminding me how the comment section OT used to be a few years ago. I suppose because so many of us have brought the talent here. 😎

ozzytrumpster

Thankyou. He’s weakening them incrementally. But each escalation of force (tarrifs) is a calculation. As the French say about taxation. The art of taxation is like plucking a goose.how to get the max feathers with the least hissing

Dora
ozzytrumpster

Well aren’t you my rent boy now

Dora

patfrederick

I love your trees wheatie–and I agree what you do–and all the authors do–is artistry! the visuals, the wordsmithing, these are your creations! and they are awesome!!

patfrederick

note to ozzytrumpster (from yesterday): you would go down in a NY minute—blazing–and pissing off your captors quickly–but it would be hysterical to listen to!!!

ozzytrumpster

Yep. Blaze of profanity.
Serious note .mark steynes books America alone, after America and lights out are,IMO, MUST READS. they are older but very pertinent. Demographics are destiny

patfrederick

ozzytrumpster

Shitposting again Potus.?
Have you no concept of the work involved in cleaning up after democrap splodey heads?

Dora

ICE releases list of illegal aliens accused of rape and murder who were released by sanctuary city policiescomment image
Demorats working hard to protect illegal alien criminals and endangering law-abiding citizens.
From Daily Mail: U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement has released a list of criminal illegal aliens who were released into communities by sanctuary city policies, as federal officials try to convince cities and states to assist immigration enforcement.
https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/ice-releases-list-of-illegal-aliens-accused-of-rape-and-murder-who-were-released-by-sanctuary-city-policies

duchess01

Verse of the Day

“Blessed is the people that know the joyful sound: they shall walk, O LORD, in the light of thy countenance.”
Psalms 89:15 (KJV)

duchess01

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duchess01

Thank You, Jesus, for blessings received and prayers answered!

patfrederick
Teagan

These were great, Pat!

ozzytrumpster

What a hoot.

daughnworks247

Always look forward to Saturday and Wheatie’s trees. Sigh….. there’s so pretty and cozy. Thank you, Wheatie!

patfrederick

was skimming OT and the topic of Harris’ eligibility for President came up again…ristvan’s explanation clearly states she’s a citizen–born on US soil–but WSB argues she is not a natural born citizen due to her parents questionable citizenship at her time of birth. She mentions that the Constitution only uses natural born citizen in connection to this one office–the Presidency.
can you further explain why your hubby says she is eligible? (just trying to under the facts)
(or was it Harris’ hubby who says she is…??)

daughnworks247

He read the statute again. There is an “or” in the statute.
If born in the USA, she is eligible.
No, neither of her parents were citizens when she was born. One entered 1960 another in 1961. She was born in 1964. There is a 5yr time period required for either mother or father to wait, until they can apply to become a citizen. Therefore, neither could possibly be a citizen when she was born. Thus, when Kamala was born, she was born with citizenship to USA, Jamaica, and India.
Statute says “or” and therefore, she is eligible if she was born in the USA as a citizen of USA.

patfrederick

so any ANCHOR baby can be President?

daughnworks247

In fact, those were husband’s exact words.

patfrederick

wow! that’s pretty awful!

daughnworks247

Yeah.

patfrederick

then I guess I don’t understand why they would even say “natural born” if in fact plain old citizen would do…because anchor babies are citizens…
sorry I don’t have a legal mind obviously

daughnworks247

There is another clause in the Presidential clause for eligibility, that I did not know about – didn’t come up with Obama nor Cruz.
there is an “or”
Natural born could be child born to American parents on foreign soil, becomes USA citizen.
The OR part is – if the child is born on American soil and is a citizen of the USA…… which Kamala was.

patfrederick

has this ever been challenged constitutionally?

daughnworks247

It has NOT been challenged Constitutionally.
Husband said the SCOTUS could give a quick read on it though.
It seems pretty clear, she is eligible.

NebraskaFilly

There were 4 SCOTUS cases that apply but indirectly (take note of the use of the plural “parents”) – SCOTUS has never settled this specific issue. This has been my biggest buggaboo arising from the MIC’s election – it set the precedent, sadly, and the Wicket Witch pulled her shenanigans with the Certificate sent to every SOS certifying his eligibility – the wording was changed.
From 2009: https://www.thepostemail.com/2009/10/18/4-supreme-court-cases-define-natural-born-citizen/

patfrederick

thank you and (your hubby) for all the info!!

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

then I guess I don’t understand why they would even say “natural born” if in fact plain old citizen would do…because anchor babies are citizens…
sorry I don’t have a legal mind obviously

What is STILL excluded is anyone who became a citizen sometime AFTER they were born.
In fact, I have a suspicion that “natural born citizen” might end up meaning anyone who didn’t have to be naturalized, without regard to parents’ citizenship.

NebraskaFilly

Sorry – nothing against your hubby as a lawyer but the legal system is corrupt and, from what I understand, decisions are primarily based on “precedent,” NOT the original intent of the Founders. It is my understanding that in order to be considered to be a “natural born citizen,” one must be born on US soil (whether that be CONUS or OCONUS) and BOTH parents must be US citizens at the time of birth.
This is from 2012 – I am guessing SCOTUS turned it down – will have to check and see.
“An announcement is expected sometime in the fall on whether the U.S. Supreme Court will decide just exactly who is a “natural born citizen” as required by the U.S. Constitution for all those who would be president.
Officials with the Liberty Legal Foundation confirmed they have filed an appeal of the ruling from the state Supreme Court in Georgia, and a decision by the nation’s highest court on whether it will accept the case is expected over the coming months.
It raises two questions, including whether states can be forced to accept any candidate from a political party for presentation on state ballots even when the candidates do not meet the required qualifications.
The other is the key, “Are all individuals born on U.S. soil Article II ‘natural born citizens,’ regardless of the citizenship of their parents?”
According to a statement from Van Irion, chief of Liberty Legal, the case that stems from a Georgia dispute “is the first to present the U.S. Supreme Court with a substantive ruling on the definition of natural born citizen under the Constitution.”
“All other cases to reach the Supreme Court on this issue had been dismissed on purely procedural grounds. Liberty Legal Foundation’s case is an appeal from the Georgia courts’ substantive ruling,” he explained. “The Georgia courts refused to dismiss our case based upon procedural grounds. The Georgia courts reached the substantive issue, what is a natural born citizen.
“They ruled incorrectly, but that ruling does allow us to ask the U.S. Supreme Court to address the definition of natural born citizen, instead of simply addressing a procedural issue,” the explanation said.
“Now the U.S. Supreme Court has an opportunity to address the definition of natural born citizen, our substantive issue.”
https://www.wnd.com/2012/07/supremes-asked-who-is-natural-born-citizen/

daughnworks247

Apparently the question with Obama arose because there was doubt he might be born in Kenya. Cruz was a question because he was born in Canada, and his father was NOT a citizen at the time – Cruz was ineligible

patfrederick

all these Chinese women coming here just to have babies and leave with them…those babies can be President?

daughnworks247

yep – Were you listening to our convo? THAT’s what I said!

ozzytrumpster

Fuck that. Another Manchuria candidate.

Deplorable Patriot

Oh, but there’s more. Found this on the Freep. http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3760305/posts
Former MTV VJ Adam Curry, read quotes directly from Harris’ father’s book, “Reflections of a Jamaican Father.” Reflections of a Jamaican Father
By Donald J. Harris
As a child growing up in Jamaica, I often heard it said, by my parents and family friends: “memba whe yu cum fram”. To this day, I continue to retain the deep social awareness and strong sense of identity which that grassroots Jamaican philosophy fed in me. As a father, I naturally sought to develop the same sensibility in my two daughters. Born and bred in America, Kamala was the first in line to have it planted. Maya came two years later and had the advantage of an older sibling as mentor. It is for them to say truthfully now, not me, what if anything of value they carried from that early experience into adulthood. My one big regret is that they did not come to know very well the two most influential women in my life: “Miss Chrishy” and “Miss Iris” (as everybody called them). This is, in many ways, a story about these women and the heritage they gave us.
My roots go back, within my lifetime, to my paternal grandmother Miss Chrishy (née Christiana Brown, descendant of Hamilton Brown who is on record as plantation and slave owner and founder of Brown’s Town) and to my maternal grandmother Miss Iris (née Iris Finegan, farmer and educator, from Aenon Town and Inverness, ancestry unknown to me). The Harris name comes from my paternal grandfather Joseph Alexander Harris, land-owner and agricultural ‘produce’ exporter (mostly pimento or all-spice), who died in 1939 one year after I was born and is buried in the church yard of the magnificent Anglican Church which Hamilton Brown built in Brown’s Town (and where, as a child, I learned the catechism, was baptized and confirmed, and served as an acolyte).

NebraskaFilly

The “or” applies to the following words: “at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution” – IOW, anyone who was a citizen AT THE TIME OF THE ADOPTION OF THE CONSTITUTION was eligible to run for President.
Damned lawyers would fuck up a wet dream!!!! If we still had the original 13th Amendment, we would not have even ONE lawyer in Congress!!!! They would have been barred from running.

duchess01

Presidential Eligibility
https://www.heritage.org/constitution/#!/articles/2/essays/82/presidential-eligibility
The third qualification to be President is that one must be a “natural born Citizen” (or a citizen at the time of the adoption of the Constitution). Although any citizen may become a Member of Congress so long as he has held citizenship for the requisite time period, to be President, one must be “a natural born Citizen.” Undivided loyalty to the United States was a prime concern. During the Constitutional Convention, John Jay wrote to George Washington, urging “a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.” Justice Story later noted that the natural-born–citizenship requirement “cuts off all chances for ambitious foreigners, who might otherwise be intriguing for the office.”
Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President. As early as 1350, the British Parliament approved statutes recognizing the rule of jus sanguinis, under which citizens may pass their citizenship by descent to their children at birth, regardless of place. Similarly, in its first naturalization statute, Congress declared that “the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens.” 1 Stat. 104 (1790). The “natural born” terminology was dropped shortly thereafter. See, e.g., 8 U.S.C. § 1401(c). But the question remains whether the term “natural born Citizen” used in Article II includes the parliamentary rule of jus sanguinis in addition to the common law principle of jus soli. In United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898), the Supreme Court relied on English common law regarding jus soli to inform the meaning of “citizen” in the Fourteenth Amendment as well as the natural-born–citizenship requirement of Article II, and noted that any right to citizenship though jus sanguinis was available only by statute, and not through the Constitution. Notwithstanding the Supreme Court’s discussion in Wong Kim Ark, a majority of commentators today argue that the Presidential Eligibility Clause incorporates both the common-law and English statutory principles, and that therefore, Michigan Governor George Romney, who was born to American parents outside of the United States, was eligible to seek the Presidency in 1968.
The Presidential Eligibility Clause does not explicitly cover those who serve merely as Acting President, a constitutionally distinct office. Although Congress has imposed by statute, 3 U.S.C. § 19(e), the same eligibility requirements for service as Acting President
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She was not a CITIZEN at the time of the adoption of the Constitution! – (or a citizen at the time of the adoption of the Constitution). – there is the big ‘OR’
___________________________________
In addition, the question of parental status…
https://www.thoughtco.com/presidents-not-born-in-the-us-3368103
If neither of her parents were citizens at the time of her birth, she cannot be a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.
This same situation came to the forefront when Senator Cruz was under consideration for the Presidency –
It appears this question has been answered in many different ways – because it is not SPELLED out in the Constitution.
However – it really does not matter – Harris will never be President for reasons other than citizenship – SHE LIED!

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth.

There is NOTHING here that says the parents must be citizens at the time you are born, just that they not be enemy aliens or foreign diplomats. This is a chestnut that gets repeated over and over and I’ve seen very little to substantiate it.
Thus it seems to me this English common law not only justifies anchor babies, but allows them to become President.
It does imply that no one born overseas can ever be president, not even those who might be citizens at birth.
I’ve seen two or three different arguments going on in this conversation–one person angry about anchor babies’ eligibility (and it seems they’ll just have to continue to be angry about it), others angry about the eligbility of people born overseas (but citizens at birth) and those people do have a case from what you’ve said.
But where does this oft-quoted bit about the parents having to be citizens at the time of birth come into it?

duchess01

They have twisted this argument around so many times – we have just one big pretzel – probably started with ‘that other guy’ – when all of this came to the forefront – I think the crux of this topic is that our Founding Fathers did not want anyone with foreign ties to become President – and then – it blossomed from there – how does this tie into a CIA Operative/’Usurper’ is the question – we were duped – and therefore – people tried to justify their way out of it – JMHO – it happened – and thus – set a precedent – now – here we are – dealing with it, again!

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Oh the rationale is quite clear. (Of course it has its issues: I’d rather have Melania as president than Moochelle, but Melania is without a doubt not eligible.)
I see many different cases here as being at least plausibly qualified–I’m excluding everyone who wasn’t a citizen at birth, because that OR clause simply doesn’t apply to anyone who was alive in 1900, much less today.
Born in the USA without regard to the citizenship of their parents at the time [with a few exceptions–parents are diplomats, parents are enemy aliens] (i.e. anchor babies). Your article implies that they qualify, though most would disagree that the criterion is this loose.
Born OUTSIDE of the USA–but to American Citizen parents (subcases: One parent, or both). This might be something left open to statutory law; that’s what the quote in your post addresses. It’s clear that such people are US citizens at birth, but are they eligible for the presidency? And if so, is one parent sufficient?Big question.
You can start with the first case (simply born in the USA minus small exceptions) and slowly tighten it: One person must be a legal resident, both must be, one must be a legal resident and the other a citizen, both must be citizens. The last case is the one that most people on the branches here insist is the correct one, but I’ve yet to see convincing documentation of it, and if anything, the piece you quoted weakens the case for it.

duchess01

I hear you, Steve – contorting it to fit your narrative certainly does not help – legal ‘experts’ have weighed in on this – did not seem to help – the ‘born outside of the US came to prominence when ‘no name’ was attacked – just gets worse – in each case – we get nowhere – it is about time it was brought forth to the SC – and settled once and for all – imho – dunno if that will help or not – but, it is worth a try – they will probably just trash it – and say it is not in the Constitution – so now what?

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I agree this needs to be SETTLED.
Don’t be surprised, though, if the settlement is not to the satisfaction of those who insist on the strictest criterion. Because I’ve seen no warrant in law for that interpretation.

duchess01

No – none whatsoever – it is as if they are making it up as they go along – Numnuts!

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Not sure if you caught what I was saying in full.
I’m saying there seems to be little warrant in law for the interpretation most Treeps would subscribe to: that an NBC must have been born in the US to two US citizens.
A SCOTUS ruling that is less stringent than that (if we can ever pin them down on it) would come as no surprise to me, and I would probably have to agree with that ruling so long as it does not let people who had to be naturalized in.

duchess01

No – don’t think I missed that – that is the one I would vote for – yes – but, if the SC is going by the Constitution – not sure they can decide based upon what the Constitution says – it is too sparse – and does not cover parents – but, I am not sure – not a legal eagle – am I

Linda K Harrison

duchess – I have a question that I haven’t seen asked – if a baby is born on US soil and given a US birth certificate – what would stop the parents from obtaining a birth certificate from their home country (technically I guess being a dual citizen) but never announcing it – how would we know they had dual citizenship and I wonder which citizenship would take precedence? It seems to me that Ted Cruz had to renounce his Canadian citizenship to run for president.

daughnworks247

President Trump’s Presser in Osaka.
Starts at 1:09 in the video.
LONG Presser, wide ranging.
Acosta was an ass, again, asking a question about Khashoggi.

ladypenquin

This is a informative read – understanding the privileged social class involved in the mass school shootings. Nicholas Cruz’s trial is set for this Sept. He was truly bullied by the snobby, mean-spirited elitist kids in that Parkland High School. Post is a good analysis of the loss of family/social restraints in our young people today.
https://www.unifiedpatriots.com/2019/06/28/parkland-defeating-bullies-the-ancient-laws-no-longer-work/

NebraskaFilly

My SIL was reiterating his experience when taking my granddaughter to the pool. He would sit and read while she was playing and swimming, all the while listening to them. He said he was shocked to discover what “a bunch of vindictive little bitches they all became.” And the language by the young teen boys was off the charts nasty!

NebraskaFilly

He is unbelievably naive in some ways. Yesterday, my GD informed me that she had a phone now. When I looked at my SIL, he explained it wasn’t an activated phone – just his old I-phone – and “she can’t access the internet if it wasn’t activated.” Aux contraire! It certainly can – and will – connect to the internet when a WIFI connection is available. I asked my GD point-blank if she, in fact, already knew that – she claims she didn’t but, TBH, I don’t know that I believe her. These kids are MUCH more tech-savvy than most people realize.
He said he just wanted her to be able to use it for games, which (duh!) requires a connection to the net!!!! I suggested he should just get her something like a GameBoy (or the latest iteration) instead!

Aubergine

I’m sorry I don’t say it often enough, but I love your posts, Wheatie! I love trees, and you pick some beauties.
Thanks for all you do!

patfrederick

makes sense…
but she didn’t answer the question…
at what point did the restaurant server turn into the Pompous Little Twit with the need to fix the world’s problems?

ozzytrumpster

She was always a pompous little shit. Just didn’t have a stage before. (And ,yeah, I’m aware that I spelt that differently to you

kyblue

Since she auditioned for Justice Democrats and was selected. She along with Minnesota Omar & Michigan Tlaib. Great trio of trouble, huh? Soros, if I remember correctly, helps fund Justice Democrats.

ozzytrumpster

And doesn’t hair look happy to be standing next to the cheese eating surrender monkey(micron)
What a shame Abe isn’t a little bit taller. Could have spoiled maple Castro’s brag book photo. Mind you I don’t think he had a good time

daughnworks247

If only I had one of these when I was in 6th grade.
https://twitter.com/ZonePhysics/status/1144574466925780992

ozzytrumpster

I want one now

zoe

Just saying hello to Wheatie and Wolfie and everyone. Love the descriptions as always. Appreciate it so much.

duchess01

SerialBrain2: Iran and the reason Trump misspelled “locked”, “site” and “straight”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-QWR6j-y4c&feature=em-uploademail

chpet1

Wheatietoo, I always LOVE your Saturday posts – your trees, your careful explanations to Zoe and others with vision challenges, and especially your music!!! It is always so awesome!!!
On a personal note, I just found out that my first immunotherapy treatment will be Monday afternoon, July 1. Pray that it works! Woo-Hoo!!!
CindyP

chpet1

Obviously I borrowed some of Marica’s exclamation points. Marica, hope you don’t mind!

ozzytrumpster

Very, very best of luck with that.

Dora

JasonD

The “coiner” of TDS, apparently back in 2015?

duchess01

#SPYGATE #TRUMP #Qanon
Donald J. Trump/”A perfect storm is brewing”! TIC TOK 6.29.2019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYL9vsIxqD0

NebraskaFilly

kyblue

American Thinker columnist Monica Showalter talks Andrew Sullivan and what she deems three excellent articles from him recently.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/06/three_killer_pieces_on_dems_about_to_get_more_trump_trans_agenda_turning_off_youth_and_cancel_culture_by_andrew_sullivan.html

duchess01

wheatie – I was wondering why my ‘Saturday Blessings’ did not post – did it fall in the trash bin?
When I tried to re-post it – message said – ‘you already posted that’ but, I still do not see it – 🙁
Can you help, please – Thanks!

duchess01

Thanks so much! 🙂

Dora
Dora
duchess01

kyblue

The two guys look good, huh, duchess? 😅

duchess01

What two guys?

duchess01

Oh, you mean the moderators – LOL

kyblue

Mad cow & Todd.. Sorry, I was being a wee bit mean 😊

duchess01

No…no…no – you were being truthful! 🙂

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

LOL with the both of you.