Whitey Bulger's Hot Date with Sidney Gottlieb and MK ULTRA

I keep shilling this book that I love to criticize as a CIA cover-up, but my motivation isn’t just because if you read it backwards and inside-out, it’s like a roadmap to REAL MK, and its amazing tale of [re]discovery.

It is also a testament to the GENIUS of Sidney Gottlieb, who scapegoated his brilliant early project to save the final result.

And if only the socialist ASSHOLES who inherited it hadn’t killed 58 people in Las Vegas using this stuff, I would not be enlightening everybody as to what the heck is going on.

But then, it is rapidly becoming apparent to me that Kinzer’s book, STRAIGHT OUT OF THE FAILING NEW YORK TIMES, is a desperate attempt at CYA by the socialist / “whatever” Deep State to cover up recent ABUSES of MK ULTRA, in their DESPERATE attempts to remove President Trump.

DON’T. TURN. AWAY.

Yes. Courtesy of those who very soon “won’t be able to walk the streets”, as SOMEBODY PUT IT.

So let’s get back to the topic at hand.


I was at 25% of the way through this book when I made my LAST update. Well, guess what – I am now at 28% and I’ve got another huge post.

I keep telling people – GET THIS BOOK!

So what is the big deal here? What is in the magical “3%” that blew my mind?

THREE THINGS.

First off, this.

It is becoming clear to me that, FAR from some hodgepodge program of desperate grabs for anything “mind control”, MK ULTRA was SMART SHOPPING by a SMART SCIENTIST.

Now, why would I come to this assessment, against all the disinformation and shill messaging to the contrary?

Well, mostly because (1) I’ve been inside scientific research, so I know how quality investigation looks from the inside, but (2) I’ve been OUTSIDE of scientific research, thus able to LOOK IN, and (3) I’m a huge devotee of the HISTORY OF MODERN SCIENCE, and view it as not just worthy in itself, but essential for young scientists, to develop a healthy and moral outlook, understanding the need for openness and honesty above all else.

EVERY TIME that Kinzer points out some new subproject of MK ULTRA, I just have to marvel at how SMART Sidney Gottlieb was in going after what MK ULTRA would eventually become.

It’s ALL RATIONAL, FOLKS. It all makes SENSE.

Yes, if you take any one of his highly compartmentalized, funded projects by itself, it may look like a bit of a WTF in the pursuit of MK. The thing is, *I* know what the final product looked like – remarkably similar to exactly what Sidney Gottlieb was pursuing. So I look at all the pieces, and I see that they are SMART PIECES.

The kind of mental dissociation I experienced – exact as a scalpel – precise as a laser – part of a complex whole that allowed a fantastic “surgery of the mind” – in frigging 1981 – I mean I can see every part of MK ULTRA research leading RIGHT TO IT. If it were not for a “medical error” – or more truthfully a compounding of them – ONE TIME – we would not be having this conversation.

ONE FRIGGING MOLECULE – a stray thought that I had, as part of an “error of subject consciousness” – was all it took to eventually reveal Sidney Gottlieb’s genius achievement.

Second point.

It is clear to me that Kinzer is relying on leftist, NYT, Deep State, CIA, Fake News memes and viewpoints in his interpretation of this stuff. We are talking what might be called “Charlottesville narrative viewpoint”. This is where you show people two hoops, black and white, and they jump through black “because black”. You show them male and female and they jump through female “because wymyn”. You show them whatever the left has said – possibly without openly saying – is the preferred hoop, and they jump through it.

CONDITIONED RESPONSE.

It is impossible to see the world clearly if you have conditioned PC blind spots of right or left. It takes PRACTICE to get around them – to RESIST them.

This is something that makes true free speech a real gift.

I can THINK all sorts of possibilities because of it. Many of which ALMOST NOBODY can think of.

Most of you out there will agree with the idea that Israel’s future and well-being depend on AMERICA. But how many of you can see that AMERICA’S future and well-being depend on ISRAEL?

Most of you will automatically look at the MK ULTRA criminal drug volunteers in prison as victims. I can do that, easily. But how many of you can view them as heroes?

Most of you, whether you will admit it or not, have been so bombarded with the idea that black people are less intelligent than whites, using all sorts of metrics, that you undoubtedly suspect at some level that it might be true. But I will assure you – if you start looking to discover why it might not be true – and I don’t mean in a virtue signal way – NONE of the stuff that the Deep State and controlled left offer on this – you will be led to SHOCKING realizations on the nature of intelligence itself, and how it is defined, expressed, perceived, and how it perceives US. You may at first by disturbed by things, but – trust me – you will eventually be comforted. This stuff was well-designed at the most basic levels. There is CONSERVATION and SYMMETRY that make it all work out BEAUTIFULLY.

FREEING YOUR MIND TO SEE ALL SIDES TOGETHER IS TOUGH. But that is the only way to have a MORE GODLY [notice I did not say “god-like”] view of the universe.

SO – with that hopeful MIND JOLT, let’s go on.

Third point.

Whitey Bulger was an MK ULTRA volunteer.

Yes.

In 1957, when Bulger was just a twenty-something armed robbery thug, but not yet a murderer, imprisoned in the Atlanta federal penitentiary, he was RECRUITED to be an MK ULTRA volunteer. He thought it was ONLY a medical project looking for a cure for schizophrenia. It may have been that, but we now know so much more about it.

The details are interesting, as are details from other volunteers. It is clear that there was a lot of wheedling done to get people to stay in these mind-bending programs. One participant endured terrible high doses of LSD just to get a promised shot of HEROIN.

Bulger was told he was one of the best subjects. However, I get the impression that all the docs told that to all the boys, so to speak. Bet the nurses were pretty fine-lookin’ ladies, too.

Hey – I’ve been around the block. I wasn’t born yesterday, either.

Bulger’s own previous memoirs are cited by Kinzer, so this is totally confirmed stuff.

This is an astounding bit of information, but it makes sense. Maybe it’s been out there for a while, but it was news to me.

And HERE is where I get to thank “principles” from history which first connected Adolph Hitler with Saddam Hussein, and ultimately with Barack “By The Book” Obama.

I believe LEGAL CONSENT and LEGALISMS are part and parcel of the CHOOSING of people to study, test, use and abuse (and then get utterly lost in) the “MK world of human bottery”.

SO – just because Bulger is known to have been part of the LSD experimentation, does NOT mean that it all ends there. I may find out more in the remaining 72% of the Kinzer book. Or I may find out more from other sources.

REMEMBER – part of the overall MK project – which we KNOW from Sidney Gottlieb – was the desire to know if people could do things, up to and including KILLING PEOPLE – maybe OTHER PEOPLE – maybe THEMSELVES.

Can you think of a BETTER reason to get rid of Whitey Bulger NOW? What information might he have revealed – in a BELIEVABLE WAY – about MK ULTRA and its GOALS?

If you read Kinzer’s book, then you may very well ask yourself if these goals ever went away.

If you read my posts here, then you may very well ask yourself if these goals were achieved.

More to come. 72 / 28 = 2.571428…

W


References:

Previous MK Post: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2019/09/30/triangulating-real-mind-control-individual-surreptitious-mk/

My MK Experience: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2019/01/18/deja-woo/

Recent Book Reviews re MK and ET: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2019/09/12/five-books-that-will-set-us-free/

Disclosure Becoming Pop-Sci: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2019/09/15/roll-out-the-sport-model/

QAnon, MK & Tavistock: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2019/01/14/preparing-for-the-mk-reveal-tavistock-basics/

Bob Lazar, Phil Corso, & Exo: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2019/08/22/grey-swan-event-flock-why-nothing-can-stop-whats-coming/

Loretta Lynch and MK: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2019/03/06/the-unbelievable-convenience-of-amnesia/

Discussions of MK Shooters: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2019/01/07/m-k-ultraman/

More Discussions: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2019/08/06/f5-fbi-false-flag-failure-forum/

Still More Discussions: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2019/09/06/red-flag-poster-boy-another-fine-product-of-the-murderous-comey-fbi/


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andyocoregon

Whitey Bulger is having an ongoing hot date with a white hot pitchfork in hell.

JasonD

Ah, I think we are onto the same thread! I have not read this book, or taken an interest in the UFO stuff, simply because there is not enough TIME. Yet I discern from your writing – both main posts and comments, that we are in parallel rabbit holes.
We can only discern what our minds allow us to see – those with eyes to see have been truly blessed. I am working on a notion that is in all likelihood not original, it is just that it is an original idea for me. This notion has been bobbing around the the extremities of my “field of vision” for some time, and I am finally starting to get a handle on it. It has been a bit like chasing down an elusive “golden snitch” – almost like reality is playing “peek-a-boo” with us and is highly reluctant to divulge its secrets.
The underlying clue given to us is “Father, forgive them for they know not what they do”.
As I have said previously, all human beings are “religious”, or to use secular, non triggering language – all human beings are animated by a source code of hierarchical values. This “code” is acquired throughout life, starting from before we are conceived. And we never cease updating it. The problem is that this is an unconscious process, and our knowledge of it is buried deep in our unconscious. This is the fourth “Rumsfeldian”, our Unknown Known’s. This is the god that we ACTUALLY worship.
The key to “Know what you do”, is to figure out what god you worship, what your source code is impelling you to do. This is obviously not going to be an easy task. The steps one can take towards this end is to rigorously examine your own life and
1) Look at what you have done, are doing in your life.
2) Examine your desires
3) Re-look at your utterances – that what you speak and write to others. This is tricky, because often we virtue signal – we say that which coheres with our “stated” religion. It is our utterances in “the heat of the moment”, or other unguarded times, that we reveal our true source code.
4) Dream analysis, for the hard core.
Only once we start to get a handle on what we are actually doing / aimed at in the world can we start to take responsibility for ourselves and Consciously and FREELY choose to change to follow our stated. By consciously observing yourself you can change yourself.
The world is in fact programming us – it is an MK agent. Remember, this is the domain of Satan, and it is here that we have to learn the power of “I am” – through conscious choice, rationally applied.
Once this is fully understood, then we are able to commence becoming worthy “sons of light”. In the meantime, humanity is groping around in darkness. MK is defeated by conscious awareness.
There is obviously heaps more required to flesh this out. Like, we need a “religious” self test, similar to what psychology has developed for “personality”. Then we need a rational road map that demonstrates that idolising “created entities” (eg. money, people, nature, the planet) leads to justifying Tyranny / genocide
This post is long enough, but the Truth plays an integral role in this. I will say something about this a bit later.

Alison

Great addition to this topic, Jason. Much to digest, and I believe you are on the right track. So glad you squeeze in time to participate here in the WolfDen.

ozzytrumpster

Sounds very much like gnostic creed.

JasonD

That’s not what my aim is, if I understand gnosticism (I admittedly don’t know much about it). What I am driving at is to get people to realise that they cannot help being “religious” – it is an integral part of being a human. Then, get to work understanding your “religion”, and use rationality to see if it is likely to deliver what you think it will. If you determine that the Nirvana that you thought you were aimed at requires a tyrannical structure to implement, and that many people may have to be “dealt with” (like say, having to eat the babies) since they are standing in your way – this will hopefully give you pause. If it does, you can then do an informed search for the religion that is aimed at what you deem to be “good”. This may be an iterative process for some.
This is an interesting process to go through, because most “religions” run into a problem down the track.
In my opinion. there is only one which does not – other than the minor detail that it is far from easy to live up to. But if you truly grow to believe it, well then, it becomes your life’s work, by definition – and the problems just melt away …

JasonD

Thanks – your thinking and mine are tracking very well. I agree with everything here.

ozzytrumpster

Gnosticism flourished in southern France, where Mary Magdalene was supposed to have gone post crucifiction. It was considered so threatening to Catholicism/ mainstream that it triggered the only crusade AGAINST Christians!
Prior to the execution of a whole town they were given the chance to pray….. half a dozen soldiers of the conquering army converted and WERE executed!
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ozzytrumpster

Sorry. They were pacifist. Also related to marolingan blood line. Ie Jesus and Mary’s offspring. I’ve got the spelling wrong but HE RES a rabbit hole for you.
Basically earth was created by Satan and you only got to heaven if you got through by virtue. No buying pardons or indulgences. No hierarchy. Souls were lights. Shades of Buddhism. Their texts , were , of course mostly destroyed. See also black Madonna.

singingsoul1

Our hearts are made for Christ.
A wise person told me long ago that the heart of Christ and our culture work together perfectly.
First they need to destroy our culture to then destroy our Christian Faith.

Plain Jane

I see that totally. However, it is our responsibility to seek out what we want to be coded by. If we keep allowing good or evil into our lives is up to us ultimately. Where we hit a roadblock in this is thinking about the young child who only sees evil people doing evil. But even then, if God created us intrinsically good, the child will follow the good code, unless faced with choice of only several evils.

JasonD

Also, do not forget that Jesus is merciful.
Forgive them Father – they know not what they do. This would seem to apply to the child scenario ….

Plain Jane

Absolutely.

Plain Jane

My loosely constructed theory: God created souls. Those souls know God before they were conceived. When they are newly born, they still maintain their awareness of Him until they are corrupted (coded) and distracted by this world.
As a mom, I didn’t have the opportunity to observe, nor the deeper understanding of Him that I did as a grandmother. I was able to pray with our granddaughter when she was a week old. I had gotten on the first flight I could to be with her and her family. That little girl was totally absorbed while I held her and audibly prayed the rosary. She didn’t take her eyes off me. She was at perfect human peace. I know she was praying also.

JasonD

I like your view. I have absolute faith that we are held in love – we are here to grow and learn. The suffering is not for nothing – it is essential to the process that we do not yet fully understand.

Plain Jane

We always try to thank God for the little sufferings He allows us. Sometimes we ask Him if He is counting though. Lol.
Not making light of what you said, it’s profound in that, how do we grow in our love and care for His people if we cannot understand suffering.

trumpismine

Drip,drip,drip…
I think it’s ratting to make sense. Great reveal Wolf and a little curious on the numbers at the end More to come. 72 / 28 = 2.571428…
Justin way to catalog?

Rodney Short

I really think they tried to experiment on me back in the 80s after a bad divorce and alot of bad things happening in my life.One phone call changed my life for about 15 years until one day I told em to shove their meds.
Now I am med free and can think clearly I have to think the whole psychiatric business is a scam.

pgroup

Don’t know if the entire psychiatric stuff is a scam but when drugs are made part of the theory, it sure is a scam. When you lose touch with God, you lose touch with truth. And the basic truth is that we can overcome almost anything but we are taught not to try.

Rodney Short

Very true,thru God all things are possible.

Barb Meier
Barb Meier

Do you think the goal is to reduce the number of reproducing people on the planet?

Plain Jane

“They” want to keep how homosexuality happens, a mystery. However, it is known by those who do/did conversion therapy, that although MOST people who have been sexually abuse DO NOT turn gay, most or almost all who are gay have been abused.

Plain Jane

You got it. Yep. And Alfred Kinsey was the star proponent of abuse.
His “research” records are still locked up at IU IN Bloomington, IN.
Rockeffeller funded the sexual revolution before Hefner stepped in to take over.
http://www.drjudithreisman.com/archives/2017/03/rockefellers_le.html

Plain Jane

Yes, break the bonds.
I sure hope Dr. Reisman’s research isn’t lost for posterity. It sure seems shelved, and it is solid stuff.
Kinsey’s crapeven changed the penal code.

Valerie Curren

On the whole gay thing, along with the almost universal existence of molestation in the “gay” person’s background, there could very well be a “soul tie” to their abuser. In scripture God speaks of sexual interaction making two people one, with the example of would I join Christ with a prostitute? (see verses 15 & 16 below)
I Corinthians 6: 9-20 has great insights here, note verse 11 states that we can be set free, even from homosexuality (the footnotes are illuminating)…
9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
Sexual Immorality
12 “I have the right to do anything,” you say—but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”—but I will not be mastered by anything. 13 You say, “Food for the stomach and the stomach for food, and God will destroy them both.” The body, however, is not meant for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14 By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also. 15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! 16 Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.”[b] 17 But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in spirit.[c]
18 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body. 19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.
Footnotes:
1 Corinthians 6:9 The words men who have sex with men translate two Greek words that refer to the passive and active participants in homosexual acts.
1 Corinthians 6:16 Gen. 2:24
1 Corinthians 6:17 Or in the Spirit
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Assuming this spiritual oneness causes a mixing of spirits isn’t it possible, perhaps even likely, that the (demonic?) spirit of the abuser, possibly “caught” from their own probable child-hood molester is now clinging to the victim of abuse? Couldn’t this “spirit” eventually compel that person into vile acts that simultaneously repulse & entice them (approach avoidance) as that “spirit” drives them deeper into darkness. Thus part of the successful component of “conversion therapy” would likely include some degree of spiritual deliverance.
Additionally back in the ’80’s when a number of my Christian friends were struggling with unwanted homosexual desires I read a book by a Christian author on the topic (don’t recall the title or author though I think her first name was Elizabeth). The book postulated that often homosexuality was driven by “unmet love needs from their same sex parent”…so another possible societal fallout from absent fathers could be a rise in homosexuality, especially among boys, as these young men eroticize their normal desires for male parental affection. When they get connected to “gay” culture there is a seeming acceptance that comes along and a form of “affection” when they allow themselves to be the used vessel for another’s sexual liberties/debaucheries. One of my close friends corroborated this theory by stating he knew that he was “looking for daddy…in bed!”…
The author postulated that what these love-starved souls need would be healthy, non-eroticized affection from same sex peers, especially in a church setting. Instead of rejecting them for homosexual desires they need to be embraced & to learn to sublimate their sexual Actions (& ultimately desires) to the Lordship of Christ…
The author also postulated that many people trapped in homosexual attractions often had an immature form of sexuality. My own thinking is that God’s plan of sexual intercourse is only to be between a husband & a wife & that their interactions are a mysterious representation of Christ & the Church. In homosexuality there is the extreme imbalance of male/male or female/female sexual activity. Male sexuality in it’s basest form is all about the act–even to the point of incredible depersonalization through holes in the wall at gay bath-houses, for instance–(that old saying that men give love to get sex & women give sex to get love is revelatory here) while the female component tends to stray into excessive & extreme emotional entanglements…Left to their own devices male homosexuality is filled with many, sometimes even anonymous encounters, while female homosexuality is fraught with excessive & unbalanced emotional entanglements. Neither of those extremes is how God designed us in the context of “iron sharpens iron” nor do those homosexual relationships remotely reflect Christ & the Church. They can never, in and of themselves, bear literal biological fruit, nor can they, being far outside of God’s design, bear healthy spiritual fruit!

Valerie Curren

I forgot to add that there is also the Communist agenda at play in the attempted gaying of America…
“25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”
From Current Communist Goals read into the Congressional Record in 1963, I’ve listed them in this post:
https://specialconnections.wordpress.com/2019/08/24/democrats-are-the-communists-now/
I also have a brief expounding on the topic of the Lord setting people free from homosexual sin near the top of this more lengthy post, fyi, in case it might be an encouragement to others:
https://specialconnections.wordpress.com/2019/06/25/rewriting-an-old-tape-of-lies/
Blessings!

Valerie Curren

Thanks Wolf…Blessings!

Plain Jane

Excellent. I wish I could remember the name of the organization that ministers to people who are gay but want to be chaste, but much of what you say is echoed by that ministry. They were quite active in Chicago over a decade ago, and I pray they still are.

Valerie Curren

Thank you for sharing that. I think I read also of some sort of Jewish organization that marries “gay” men to lesbians so that they can be a heterosexual couple who understand each other’s same sex desires, while remaining chaste, I believe…

Plain Jane

That’s interesting about the Jewish organization.
I coordinated a training for professionals in post abortion. While reaching out to the professionals in a three state area to attend, I met an awesome male therapist who was strongly affiliated with the group I mentioned. He was an awesome therapist who I directed some of my post abortive clients to psychiatric issues. I researched that group well.

Valerie Curren

My comments are based on personal reflection & not currently heavily researched, though at the time I did dig pretty deeply into the topic because of so many people in my orbit who struggled in that arena…
Dealing with post-abortion must be a very heavy burden to bear. I really cannot imagine how one could be free from the weight of that action apart from the love, mercy, & forgiveness of the Lord…Thank you for caring for the needs of these broken, hurting people with such compassion…

Plain Jane

You are so correct about the burden the bear. Getting involved with post-abortion healing is a story of how God works. My entire initial team was comprised of the friends I had made from those of us who prayed regularly by PP. God put our feet one after another and pointed us in that direction. Initially, I posted a comment requesting prayers for a healing Mass, on a Catholic website. The psychiatrist who eventually mentored me saw my post and reached out to tell me what she was doing to help her P-A clients, and about Rachels Vineyard Retreats. And so started the most rewarding God experiences of my life. Seeing His healing in action and the workings of the Holy Spirit is unbelievable. I still feel unworthy to have witnessed such miracles of healing of heart.

Valerie Curren

Being one with the Holy Spirit, in the “coming alongside” aspect of His ministry, is a precious privilege of the sacrificially surrendered soul. Talk about being in the very midst of the “iron sharpens iron” crucible component of one’s Christian walk. Bearing one another’s burdens & fulfilling the law of Christ in the midst of some of the deepest darkness of the sorrowful soul–Thank you for sharing about your vital heavenly mission…

Plain Jane

I truly miss it, but God had me move on to other things. But I have seen growth in where He has me now. Sometimes I feel useless compared to the P-A healing life I had. I jokingly speak about my former lives. I seemed to have gone through many and varied eras of activities. A decade here of this, two decades of that, etc., many which overlapped. Every one of which seemed to be training ground for a future life. But, as I age, I wonder if He can still use me.

Valerie Curren

I’ve thought that even an extremely incapacitated believer can have an amazing impact through a vibrant prayer life…He must increase & I must decrease! Of course these insights are more desirable the further one is from that time when dying to oneself is in some ways the only path we have left!
I can relate to what you’ve shared here. There were a number of phases in my life & then a long, painful parenting road riddled with challenges surrounding my special needs son. Now that he’s doing quite well & my kids are all college age I’m in that place of wondering/praying about where to go from here…Thankfully the Lord can use us in whatever season we find ourselves. He’s still multiplying the bread & fishes of His followers to sustain that surrounding wandering, wondering crowd…

Plain Jane

Beautifully said Valerie and hope filled that He can still use me.

Rodney Short

I just got away from 99% of the negative things in life and found God.
We live off grid for the most part and not many people live here,their mostly all related to Kimi lol.
I just ask myself when some asshat triggers me,WWJD and things have a way of fixin themselves.
Y’all help me alot to keep my feet on the ground and I will always be grateful for you and this place.

Rodney Short

I pray this place is here for a very long time Wolf,this place has the best of everything.
Night and God bless you and yours Wolf.

ozzytrumpster

Joke. If wwjd fails think WWOZZYDO

Rodney Short

Love it Ozzy

MAGA Mom

I don’t get what you mean about the IQ measurements. Elaboration or hints possible?

MAGA Mom

Thanks for the elaboration. I look forward to a more detailed post sometime in the future. IQ does test very specific kinds of intelligence. Rapidity of analytical abilities, problem solving on paper (doesn’t always reflect problem solving ability in real life!), etc. Very specific. Doesn’t not always translate to intelligence in other areas of life.

ozzytrumpster

I’ve read emotional intelligence is a better predictor of success and happines

Coldeadhands

All mind has its origins in God. He gives us the tools of mind / intelligence to build our souls through love, experience and free will decision making. Our ultimate goal is the use of all these elements to establish families, then society as the nurturers of spiritual values…love, truth & goodness. These are essential in the discovery of our relationship to each other and Him. We are all His children.
Free will is critical to these processes. The Lord will not coerce our love. We must and will find him of our own choosing.
The horror of our government turning on its own to manipulate any covert agenda is the ultimate betrayal of everything that this country was founded on and for. This weaponizing of our government against its people must be fought as if our lives and sacred honor depend on it. They do.
Our prayers for a leader in this fight have been answered. Now we have to strenuously support and defend him from their malignant intentions. The deep state, as has been abundantly demonstrated, does not hesitate to murder in support of its goals.
Stay prayerful and stay vigilant.

Linda

Here is a very interesting article on a couple of levels. First it has a lot more information on Cofer Black, who is tied to the Ukraine corruption and Mitt Romney. Did anyone know that Black was the CIA Head of Counterintelligence during 9-11 and brushed off all the warnings from foreign intelligence that 9-11 was going to happen? I didn’t know that. And he’s closely tied to Brennan. It looks like a whole lot of the threads we are watching are tied together.
I also was unaware that Boris Johnson was involved in the spying on POTUS after POTUS was elected. He was the Secretary of State at the time and approved GCHQ spying on POTUS. Here is the article:
Swamp in Panic: Trump In Danger.
https://www.pickeringpost.com/2019/10/03/dead-men-dont-need-impeachment-swamp-in-panic-trump-in-danger/

Linda

My apologies. I posted this in the wrong thread.

trumpismine

I thought it fit in nicely here Linda 😉

Coldeadhands

Good stuff!

PeteC

Wolfie—how about Charles Manson, from a nondescript prison inmate to the mind-control leader of a troupe of individuals (achieved through assorted drugs including LSD), that were willing to kill anonymous people in a blood-curdling way!!??
LSD was the first illicit drug I experienced in the late ‘60s on the west coast! Nice trip!!! And certainly wasn’t my last! It was either “window pane” or “orange sunshine,” all in an effort to “expand the mental perception of reality”!
Thank God I came out of the counter-culture alive (I shouldn’t have!!!).

PeteC

Actually it was either ‘67 or ‘68—don’t even think we knew it wasn’t illegal then (became illegal to possess in October of ‘68). Of course, the CIA was experimenting with it on the civilian population (without their knowledge) during the period in SF. I was growing up in Seattle (now a shithole)!

PeteC

Ah, the memories! We could go out and pick psychedelic mushrooms in people’s yards if you knew what to look for (and we did!)—the “organic” alternative to LSD!!! Lol.

Rodney Short

Liquid acid was my drug of choice then shrooms,paper was always to dirty for me.

PeteC

“Paper was always too dirty for me”—Lol, Rodney!!! And I mean that in a pleasant way!

Rodney Short

Lol thanks Pete.

ozzytrumpster

Manson’s mother was a monster. It was a power dynamic re Ted Watson(?) that upped the ante and led to the murders

PeteC

All I was inferring was Manson was able to control the mental state of his troupe of followers through the use of drugs (among other influences).
Wasn’t necessarily implying Manson was part of the MKUltra program—but he used similar methods to control his flock!

PeteC

So true, Wolfie!!! Manson was a “problem juvenile”, so he could have been recruited while in control by the juvenile system. Charlie certainly wasn’t a way low IQ person.

PeteC

Yes, sir—a lot of prime candidates right there for the taking! Absent parents (or parents without too much concern about the future of their offspring)—the type of juveniles ripe for the taking!

PeteC

“The Frankfurt School and their closest allies at Tavistock, ‘were the architects of both the cybernetics project and the counterculture project of the 1960s. In fact, the Cybernetics Group, sponsored by the Josiah Macy Foundation, was the umbrella, under which the CIA and British intelligence conducted their mass experimentation with mind-altering psychedelic drugs, including LSD-25, which experiment was, eventually, spilled out onto the streets of San Francisco, New York’s Greenwich Village, and every American college campus, giving us the counterculture paradigm shift of 1966-72.’ In 1965, one of the four directors of the Authoritarian Personality project, R. Nevitt Sanford, wrote the forward to ‘Utopiates: The Use and Users of LSD 25,’ which was published by Tavistock Publications.” (p. 193).
Citing—Jeffrey Steinberg, “From Cybernetics to Littleton: Techniques of Mind Control,” EIR, May 5, 2000.

PeteC

“Soon afterwards, a mind control project called Marionette Programming imported from Nazi Germany [aided through Operation Paperclip] was revived under the new name, ‘Project Monarch.’ The basic component of the Monarch program is the sophisticated manipulation of the mind, using extreme trauma to induce Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD), now known as Disassociative Disorder. In public testimony submitted to the President’s Committee on Radiation, there are amazing allegations of severe torture and inhumane programs foisted upon Americans and other citizens, especially as children.” (p. 49, “Tavistock Institute, Social Engineering the Masses,” Daniel Estulin — citing ‘Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare,’ Michael Hoffman, 2001). Bracket content mine.
The trauma aspect was brought up by Cathy O’Brien in the video above.
IMO—the JFK assassination and 9/11 were two trauma events on a massive scale (as opposed to individual), exploring the reaches of controlling the mentality of the masses.

PeteC

“…in 1977, the U.S. Senate Church Committee investigation exposed criminal activities by the CIA. Quoting Peter Cuskie, ‘among the most damning revelations was the CIA’s 25-year history of secret experimentation with mind-altering drugs, mass psychological manipulation, North Korean-style brainwashing and torture techniques, under the rubric of Operation MK-ULTRA, and other programs. The New York Times ran a front-page story, singling out Dr. Lewis West as one of the CIA’s top MK-ULTRA mind-destroyers.’ The Times obtained a West-authored memo advocating the use of LSD in social control.” (Ibid, p. 53).
The CIA has been f**king with this since its inception in 1948–another reason the globalists created the CIA. As I’ve said repeatedly, the CIA is the operational team of the High Cabal!

MAGA Mom

I have no idea if this video is correct. Sharing because a friend posted it on FB today. thought that was interesting timing since you have been talking about this lately

Linda

Well she also claims being given to many different high-level politicians and others for sex.

singingsoul1

OBrian speaks about fear the step for mind control or maybe first step.
I come to think for how long children were scared by our government in the schools.
! ) With USSR and Nukes kids hiding under chairs in school.
2) Climate change
No wonder many young adults are loony on top crap from Internet.
I know it sounds simple.
My one brother told me there was a study that a child can be traumatized fear before birth.
I think of women who are in war and pregnant.
I remember as a child hearing a siren put me in a tizzy even though there was no reason except before I was born and short after sirens when off when cities were bombed and .and normally my grandmothers maid would grab me run into the bunker.I was told. I was born last month of 1944, I only got better when I came to the US.
I can see conscious or unconscious how fear can have control over a person and therefore can be controlled.
I am laid back and do not need to lead but if there is danger real danger you want me close because my in-stinks are so heighten that I will get people out of situations. Many times I found those excellent leaders freeze. I just know we have to get out of a situation right now.
OBrian is right concerning compartmentalizing without realizing. I always say I go from one room to the next. To hard to explain and to long.

singingsoul1

Thank you

singingsoul1

Trauma can keep a nation hostage I think.Wars put a whole nation into trauma. We went through WWII and still traumatize families and after that each war took its toll. No wonder we are in such mess. Even the Afghan war dragging on and does damage to the psyche of the nation. The blow of 9/11 set off a reaction that further did damage and we lost freedom for security. Did we really gain security? I do not think so they manipulated us through fear.
Church is the key spiritual healing will heal the nation and they loose control over us.
Some churches do not want to allow spiritual growth because they loose control over the faithful.

singingsoul1

So true and POTUS is aware and even is more clear after listening to the videos. I now understand how evil Hillary is and so many others.
I am grateful to Spiritual formation I participated in for over many years I recognize it in churches when something is not of God.
I am glad I am here and learn so much.
Wolf thank you for this forum.

Coldeadhands

The whole Sue Ford / Brice Taylor saga is intensely troubling.

Coldeadhands

I seem to recall her indicating somewhere that the Cabal had intentionally driven up the price of her book…purchasing copies to take out of circulation.
Here’s a book about sketchy influences on culture:
WEIRD SCENES INSIDE THE CANYON
LAUREL CANYON, COVERT OPS & THE DARK HEART OF THE HIPPIE DREAM
by DAVID McGOWAN
Excerpted from the book’s forward by Nick Bryant (referencing father of Frank Zappa of Mother’s of Invention fame):
“Zappa, Sr. was a cog in the intelligence community’s dark machinations; Francis Zappa was a chemical warfare specialist with a top security clearance at Edgewood Arsenal near Baltimore, Maryland. Some readers might rec- ognize Edgewood as the location of ominous mind control experiments conducted by the CIA under the rubric of MK-ULTRA.”

Coldeadhands

Quite the little treasure trove… David McGowan seems to have been some researcher! The “also readl” titles look interesting…

cthulhu

Hmmmm…..I wonder how much different Tom Wolfe’s “The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test” would read now by someone MK-aware….

wheatietoo

Another epic post, Wolf!
😊🤗👏👍
Thank you for delving into this because it makes my head hurt.
I live in the hopes that this will all be exposed…and the use of MK’d shooters by the Dark State will be laid bare for all to see!
All of it.
All of their dirty secrets, exposed.
The way they’ve been drugging kids and programming them to be their pawns.
As well as all the adults and even leaders, who’ve been MK’d.
It all has to come out in order to heal our country…and our world.

wheatietoo

Have you seen this?
I followed a link that Duchess posted, to a SGT Report article which had this:
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wheatietoo

This 👆 seems like their ‘next step’ for us…beyond MK.
There will be no need to MK us if we’re all plugged into the big govt mainframe.

wheatietoo

Yes, the ‘transhumanism’ stuff warrants a post of it’s own.
Especially now…since the Big Tech Tyrants are pushing it more than ever.

thinkthinkthink

Is there anyone left that is NOT damaged goods?
https://twitter.com/JustJulesJulia/status/1180660900455305216