2020·08·22 KMAG Daily Thread

Who’s Next?

One (1) indictment–well, actually, all the way through to a guilty plea. That’s an infinity percent increase over what it was before.

Who’s Next??

Such a target-rich environment.

Q warns us that we will be shocked.

https://letreasonreign.files.wordpress.com/2020/08/img_2015_10pct.jpg
Well, what are you waiting for?

I guess I should stop and think about that. Hmm…well my response is still:

Bring it on!!! We’re not tired of winning. Far from it:

We haven’t even begun to win!

Time for some long overdue winning on the Justice Front!!!

Our movement is about replacing a failed and corrupt political establishment with a new government controlled by you, the American People...Our campaign represents a true existential threat, like they’ve never seen before.

Then-Candidate Donald J. Trump

Lawyer Appeasement Section

OK now for the fine print.

This is the WQTH Daily Thread. You know the drill. There’s no Poltical correctness, but civility is a requirement. There are Important Guidelines,  here, with an addendum on 20191110.

We have a new board – called The U Tree – where people can take each other to the woodshed without fear of censorship or moderation.

And remember Wheatie’s Rules:

1. No food fights
2. No running with scissors.
3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
4. Zeroth rule of gun safety: Don’t let the government get your guns.
5. Rule one of gun safety: The gun is always loaded.
5a. If you actually want the gun to be loaded, like because you’re checking out a bump in the night, then it’s empty.
6. Rule two of gun safety: Never point the gun at anything you’re not willing to destroy.
7. Rule three: Keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire.
8. Rule the fourth: Be sure of your target and what is behind it.

(Hmm a few extras seem to have crept in.)

A Cautionary Tale, in Lieu of the Mandatory Coin

Now it wouldn’t be one of my posts without a coin, would it?

Well, I guess this must not be one of my posts, then, because this is not a coin.

http://archive.monetarium.hu/image/cache/catalog/papirpenz/magyar/pengo/1-milliard-B-pengo-1946-1-1200×600.jpg
June 3, 1946, Hungary. 1 Milliard B-Pengős

This is the climax of the worst inflation the world has ever seen.

Lately, Zimbabwe has been famous for its One Hundred Trillion Dollar notes, that were never worth anything in foreign exchange (yet are worth a score or two of US dollars in the collector’s market). I once got to see a display of something like twelve different denominations in the series, the uppermost were 10, 20, 50, and 100 trillion dollar notes.

Inflation is not an increase in prices. That’s a symptom. It’s an increase in the money supply. If the increase happens to be faster than actual economic growth, then money becomes less valuable (a widget is now worth more units of money), which since we think of money as the measuring rod, looks like an increase in prices, when the real issue is that our “ruler” is shrinking.

OK, so I showed you a Hungarian note from just after World War II, and said it was worse than 100 trillion (Zimbabwe used toilet paper) dollars.

The note says it’s a “milliard b-pengős.” Well if you don’t happen to know a few things I am about to explain, you might imagine, well, “milliard” is just a foreign word for “million” and a B pengő is maybe a different pengő from an A pengő. So how is a million of something worse than a hundred trillion of something else?

Because it isn’t, actually, a million of something.

Most people are unaware that there are two distinct ways of reckoning large numbers. There’s the “short scale” and the “long scale.” In the United States, we use the short scale. On continental Europe and all of their former colonies (except Brazil), they use the long scale. The United Kingdom formerly used the long scale, but they were increasingly using the short scale in speech (thanks to Yankee cultural influence, most likely) and in 1974 their government finally gave in and formally adopted the short scale.

The short scale and the long scale both have the same definition of a thousand, 1,000, and a million, 1,000,000. The short scale goes on: 1,000,000,000 is a billion, 1,000,000,000,000 is a trillion. Add three zeros, move up one more Latin prefix before “-llion”: quadrillion, quintillion, sextillion, septillion, octillion, and so on. If someone tells you the Earth’s mass is 13 septillion pounds, and you’re wondering how many zeros that is, translate “septi” into 7, add one to it (8) and multiply by 3, to get 24 zeros. 13,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.

But you’d better be sure they’re operating on the short scale, because the long scale is quite different. On the long scale, 1,000,000 is a million also, but then 1,000,000,000 is called either a thousand million or a milliard. Only after you add another three zeros, 1,000,000,000,000, do you bring out the word “billion.” Add three more zeros, 1,000,000,000,000,000 and you have, believe it or not, a billiard. Then a trillion, then a trilliard, and so on. In a way, you can think of it as using groups of six zeros, not three zeros. How many zeros in a trillion (long scale)? Turn “tri” into 3, multiply by six, done: 18 zeros. So an old-school Brit might claim the Earth’s mass is 13 quadrillion pounds, which after all is 6 x 4 = 24 zeros. (In many ways, this is cleaner and makes more sense than our short scale, but the short system is what we’ve got, and I’ll use it.)

Anyhow, you probably already see part of the answer to the mystery of the 1 milliard B-pengő note, I telegraphed it pretty strongly. It’s not a million, it’s a billion, which they called a milliard, B-pengős. Milliard isn’t just some weird Hungarian word for million. (Leaving aside the issue of whether any Hungarian word will ever seem normal to a speaker of any Indo-European language, and vice versa.)

And looking around a bit, you will see that Germany issued milliarden mark notes during its inflation in the 1920s, those too are nine zeros, what we call a billion. Germany is on the European continent and uses the long scale. (Apparently Russia uses the short scale. And so does Zimbabwe.)

If you ever listened to the G. Gordon Liddy show, he regularly used “thousand million” for nine zeros (short billion), and “million million” for twelve zeros (short trillion, long billion). That is unambiguous, no matter which system you’re used to, and it can also be clear to the innumerate who think a billion is “what, maybe two million?” (No, I’m not kidding.)

OK, getting back to that Hungarian note: You may be thinking, “ok so it was a billion b. pengős; that’s nine zeros, still a lot less than a hundred trillion, which is fourteen zeros!”

But the B, it turns out, stands for “billion.” A B pengő is not some new improved A pengő, it’s a billion pengős. Their billion, with twelve zeros, not our puny little nine-zero billion.

So a milliard B pengős was 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 pengős. Twenty one zeros.

Now there are places that have inflated their money just about as much. Yugoslavia devalued its currency multiple times between World War II and the late 80s, if you stack that up, and look at the 500 billion (our billion) notes at the end, yeah, they were up to twenty five or twenty six zeros of their original dinar. But that took decades.

Hungary went from three to 21 zeros in just over a year, and that’s just their paper money. As we’ll see below, the exchange rate against the dollar tacked on 28 zeros in almost exactly a year. This utterly annihilates what Germany went through in the 1920s, and we’ve all heard those stories, wheelbarrows full of money, people being paid at noon and the end of the workday so they could immediately spend their pay before it became worthless.

Pengő derives from peng, an onomatopoeic word for the sound of ringing, as in the sound silver coins make. The pengő was adopted in 1927 as the Hungarian currency, it consisted of 100 fillér, and replaced the…um…korona (crown). But it wasn’t until after World War II ended that the pengő jumped into the toilet, reached out of the bowl, and pulled down on the handle.

In order to cut down on zeros, the milpengő was introduced. This allowed them to use the same paper money designs again, then the b. pengő after the milpengő became as valueless as the pengő was when the milpengő had been introduced. Note the the paper money above has a colored background with a B cut out of it, and pengő is replaced by B. pengő.

Here are the regular milliard, and milliard milpengő notes to compare.

https://images3.cgb.fr/images/billets/b82/b82_0172a.jpg
Milliard pengő. Nine zeros. Note the date is March 18 1946.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NXDcx2ndyX0/TipsZkWm0cI/AAAAAAAAGts/10hSk8oFGv4/s1600/image083.jpg
Milliard milpengő note (let’s see now…that’s, um, 15 zeros). Date is June 3, 1946

Notice that they are essentially the same, they just had to change the text in the middle. And of course running it off in a different color is as simple as changing the ink on the press. They didn’t even have to change the value in the “counter” on the left.

(Did you ever wonder why they always put the numbers inside fancy spirograph-like patterns on paper money, known as counters? It’s to make it harder for some unscrupulous schmuck to change the number. He can’t just scrape a one off and put a five in its place without leaving obvious holes in the pattern. (The ink on paper money rests on the surface of the paper and can be scraped off, anything left over can be bleached.) This was quite an issue in the early 1800s when banks issued their own notes and the designs rarely were standardized. Some guy in Gasoline Alley, Michigan might not know that the ten dollar bill from the First Bank of Outer Slobbovia, Delaware, was really a one dollar bill “raised” to a ten by a counterfeiter, because in Gasoline Alley, no one knew what Outer Slobbovia bank notes were supposed to look like. This lesson [put your denominations in counters] was learned the hard way in the early 1800s. And later, banknotes became standardized so they all had the same design with different lettering, and under strict government oversight.)

Anyhow, note that both the milliard milpengő and the milliard b-pengő were issued–or at the very least, authorized legally–in June of 1946, on the same day, the third. Two notes, one worth a million of the other, issued the same day! The implication is that they already expected that money would drop in value by a factor of a million in short order. Can you imagine that hundred dollar bill in your wallet on June 1 being worth 1/100th of a cent at the end of the month? Or imagine a “strap” (banker’s bundle) of one hundred, one hundred dollar bills on June 1st not being worth picking up off the ground at the end of the month, because it’s only worth what a Lincoln head cent was on the first of the month.

Of course we can’t really know from this issue date alone that it took a month to drop to a millionth of its prior value.

Maybe it was even faster.

Taking a look at the exchange rates allows us to fill things in. On the first of January 1927, when the pengő was introduced, the US dollar was worth 5.26 pengős. On the 31st of March, 1941, it was 5.06 pengős (the pengő had gone up, unsurprising because the dollar had been devalued by Roosevelt when he confiscated the gold). By the 30th of June, 1944 it was 33.51 to the dollar. Not too bad for an Axis country losing the war. At the end of August, 1945, it had slipped to 1320. So in a bit over a year, it had become worth about 1/40th what it was worth the year before. Bad for anyone who had pengős stuffed in his mattress because he didn’t trust banks, but people could adapt to this if they had to.

But Hungary was allied with Germany, and had lost the war. The Soviets demanded huge reparations, and were plundering Hungarian industry. (Communists rarely produce anything; they subsist by looting others. See any downtown Democrat-run city for evidence that this continues to be true today.) The US actually had custody of Hungary’s gold reserves; the puppet communist government the Soviets were setting up couldn’t use that.

Three months later at the end of November, however, it took 108,000 pengős to buy a dollar. Yowza, almost a hundred fold loss in three months. But you ain’t seen nothin’ yet. And that’s what the pengő was now worth: nothing! By the end of March, 1946, 1,750,000 pengös to the dollar. One month later–one month later— it was 59 billion pengős to the dollar, 59 followed by nine zeros. A month after that it was 42 quadrillion pengős, 42 followed by fifteen zeros. (And yes these are all short scale, “Murrican” numbers.)

The next datapoint on Wikipoo is 10 July 1946. 460 octillion pengős to the dollar. That’s 27 zeros after the 460, or 28 after the 46. In forty days, May 30 to July 10, not a million, but more than a ten trillionfold (thirteen zero) loss in value had occurred, from 15 zeros after a 42, to 28 zeros after a 46. That’s equivalent to a dollar becoming worth a dime in three days, and then the cycle repeating itself twelve more times. A millionfold loss in a month? Ha, ha, ha! What an unicorn-fart-sniffing optimist I was!

That note I started this off with had 21 zeros built into it. It would have taken 460 million of these notes to equal one dollar. But there weren’t 460 million of them. Hungary, after all, doesn’t have all that many people in it, so why produce so many notes of one denomination?

It turns out these notes were produced but never issued–the 100 million b. pengő, one tenth the nominal value, was the highest note actually issued. I suspect by the time they were made they had already been overcome by events and become worthless, so why bother?

At the very end, every single paper pengő in existence, put together, was worth less than a tenth of a US cent. Now all of the pengős put together had become…nothing.

The pengő was replaced by the forint (also of 100 filler) on August 1st 1946. One forint was worth 400 octillion pengős. But that is a fictitious exchange rate since every pengő in circulation put together was worth one thousandth of a forint. No one was going to buy so much as a single forint with pengős. I remember seeing pictures of littered streets in Budapest…the gutters strewn with what had once been money. I looked just now and found this:

https://missionsharingknowledge.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/hungary-1945-1946.jpg
When money becomes garbage, because it was never really anything else in the first place

But the forint, at least was comparable to a dollar (460 octillion pengős).

The government had learned its lesson and the forint was relatively stable. In 1992 eighty forints were roughly worth a dollar. Which is not as good as it sounds, because the dollar had itself inflated quite a bit since 1946, but still a far, far cry from what happened in 1946.

There was just one more problem left for Hungary. They had used up so much good quality security paper printing pengős that they had trouble finding any to make the new forint. But this problem could be solved.

Zimbabwe was so badly off when it ran out of paper, it had to stop printing money. No one would sell them any more. And just like that the Zimbabwean inflation stopped.

Could this happen here?

Yes. If we don’t get government spending under control, something will break. Either we default on our debt or we print money to cover it, or our government really tightens its belt.

I suspect I will live long enough to hear people talking about quadrillion dollar federal debts, deficits and budgets. We’ve gone from a trillion dollar debt to almost 27 trillion in about 40 years, that’s a 27 fold increase and one more of those puts us at 729 trillion bucks, almost a quadrillion. Bush and Obola both doubled the debt. Trump will likely do the same (sorry, but that’s the truth, and yes, it is partially his fault), making it eight times as large as it was just 24 years ago. One projection says 78 trillion in 2028. Sigh.

All debts are paid. Either by the person who owes the money…or by the person who lent it. Or if the government cranks up the printing presses someday, it will be paid by third parties who have no choice in the matter. Inflation is theft.

Maybe it wouldn’t be 1946-Hungary-bad if our government took the inflation route…but it would be bad. I heard the stories of suffering in Russia during its much-less-severe inflation after the Soviet Union collapsed; many many people were on a fixed income. Hmm, $5000 a month won’t sound so hot when every dollar in existence put together won’t buy you a dust bunny.

I don’t know much about this alleged monetary shift some people talk about being imminent, but I hope it’s nothing like this, because, folks:

We don’t want this.

Disclaimer: Neither these, nor any other coins or paper money I post, are mine. With older coins, I’m going to find the best pic of one on the internet, so even if I should happen to have one, it’s not the nicest one on earth and I’ll show another…and some coins are worth more than my net worth so I certainly won’t have those!

PS: Precious metals closings, 21 August 2020 (all values are Kitco Ask):

Gold $1943.40 (it has bounced around a lot this week but was fairly steady on Friday), Silver $26.92, Platinum $926 (on sale!), Palladium $2219, Rhodium $12,200.

Remember that gold was once $20.67 by definition, and look at today’s price, and see what has happened to the dollar…it’s worth barely a 1913 cent. In fact gold actually hit $2067.20 one day not too long ago. Inflation walks among us, mostly unnoticed, but piling up as time goes on.

Another PS: You might wonder what the Hungarians used if they never issued the milliard b pengő note, and clearly they’d need huge denominations, T pengős, Q pengős, and so on. Well they had created an adópengő, literally “tax pengő” for budget planning purposes, but it became a real piece of money in July, worth 2 of those bills I started with apiece. It was supposed to hold its value. It didn’t but it fell much less rapidly than the regular pengő. When the 100 million b. pengő note became worthless, the adópengő took over…for the rest of the month.

Important Reminder

To conclude: My standard Public Service Announcement. We don’t want to forget this!!!

Remember Hong Kong!!!

https://youtube.com/watch?v=L3tnH4FGbd0%3F
I hope this guy isn’t rotting in the laogai somewhere!

中国是个混蛋 !!!
Zhōngguò shì gè hùndàn !!!
China is asshoe !!!

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duchess01

Diamond and Silk’s full interview with Carpe….. Enjoy.

phoenixrising37

H/T Misanthropic Humanitarian, @Ace of Spadescomment image

phoenixrising37

https://twitter.com/Beer_Parade/status/1297180466341203968?s=20
🍺𝐁𝐞𝐞𝐫 𝐚𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐏𝐚𝐫𝐚𝐝𝐞⭐️⭐️⭐️@Beer_Parade
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8h
Holy sh*t!
@realDonaldTrump is throwing the FDA under the bus along with big pharma and our crooked politicians that are also on their payrolls!
It’s a beautiful day, frens! He’s draining the swamp!
Darkness cannot exist where light is present.
God bless you, Sir!
Quote Tweet
Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump
· 10h
Many doctors and studies disagree with this! twitter.com/twittermoments…

trumpismine

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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9m
Will be interviewed by
@SteveHiltonx
on
@FoxNews
. 9:00 P.M. Sunday Night. Enjoy!

phoenixrising37

Mark Knoller@markknoller
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23m
By bipartisan vote, House passes $25-billion funding bill for US Postal Service. Bill also bars any operational changes by the Postal Service before Election Day. But bill won’t be brought up in the Senate and the WH has issued a veto threat.

kea

But bill won’t be brought up in the Senate—- Why?
Please WH veto this BS

phoenixrising37

Won’t get out of Committee… Mitch has stated will NOT get to the floor.

kea

Ahhh ok that makes more sense. Good

trumpismine

Dark to Light
@pushforward40
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5m
Did you know 26 House Republicans just voted with Democrats to waste a another $25 billion dollars in emergency postal funding in a step towards Universal mail-in voting to steal the election? I kid you not when I say I’m embarrassed to be a registered Republican!
F*ck you
@GOP
!

Gingersmom2009

Hope Van Drew was not among them.

trumpismine

Hate to tell you, but here they are😞comment image

Gingersmom2009

Stefanik is in there too. Bad news.

trumpismine

That really surprised me😵😱

evereleutheros

4 from my state of Ohio, including my loser representative Steve Stivers, ugh!!!

I doubt it. He was on TV bashing it yesterday. They put in a clause that allows people to sue the PO. For what? All that extra money is for lawyers.

Don’t worry… not going on the Senate floor, and if somehow it did get to the floor, POTUS will VETO

Gingersmom2009

Need some help folks. My husband just mentioned Q for the first time ever, after listening to a Michael Savage podcast. Someone here (I can’t recall 🙄) had the greatest description, and I’m wondering if you could re-post it. I am inadequate at describing it, as I’m basically overwhelmed at the magnitude.

DP can probably help. She is MOST WISE on all matters Q.

jamcooker

DH was listening to Savage last night and Savage wanted people to explain to him about the movement. One caller did an excellent job of giving the overview, and some others got caught up in the weeds which didn’t interest Savage.
I don’t know who posted what you are looking for, but I’ll give it a shot.
It’s a movement designed to educate people, to get people to think for themselves, and research information, and not swallow everything the MSM feeds people.
Q poses questions, and anons go looking, like Gail Combs does, and then posts the information on the qboard, which some of go look at and then bring back stuff. It takes a while to figure out the board where everything is posted because of the terminology, but also because there are people that post nasty and ugly things that are designed to make the movement look bad. So if discernment is not a strong suit, it’s a good place to stay away from.
People think it’s run by military or former military because of what was posted in the beginning, that the core group is about 9 people, and all but 2 are military. Q+ is thought to be President Trump, and people also think that Gen. Flynn has something to do with the movement.
If your hubby is just waking up, I would suggest not getting him tangled up in the weeds, but let him start looking if he’s so inclined. Here’s a good place as an example of how one small group of people share information, but he can go look at all the drops on any of the links posted on the side bar if he so desires.

jamcooker

I should clarify as I don’t know if Gail looks at the 8kun, but Sadie does. I used to, but I really don’t have time right now. 8kun is where the drops are first posted. Then they are posted a couple of other places, which are listed on the side board here.

Gingersmom2009

By board do mean Qanon.pub where the drops are? I don’t know what to do with all that other stuff that is connected to each drop. I need decodes, like praying medic.

jamcooker

No, it’s the board on 8kun. When I first started looking at the drops, I looked at a few de-coders, Praying medic among them, but I found I preferred looking at things and deciding for my self about a lot of the stuff. Once in a great while, I have “checked in” to see if something that’s in a code of some sort, i.e., military, can be explained. Sometimes people here explain those, and sometime elsewhere that info can be found.
Lately, Que has been reposting a lot of stuff for newbies, and while this is not terribly interesting for some, it IS important because not everyone wants to go look through all the older drops.

Aubergine

Have him watch “The Plan To Save The World” video. Look on YouTube.

Gingersmom2009

That’s the one that sounds like it’s narrated by JFK Jr.

singularzoe

I like JustInformedTalk, think it is called. He just seems llike a straight shooter, I mean no nonsense about him.

Gail Combs

Gingersmom,
I would suggest Praying Medics intro to Qanon. He does good explanations and has a pleasant voice.
Here is an explanation on the Religious aspect:
https://prayingmedic.com/2020/08/03/an-analysis-of-concerns-about-qanon/
MORE:
https://prayingmedic.com/blog/
He used to have a really good Utube, intro to Qanon but I can not seem to find it.

gudthots

He’s been getting trouble with the usual platforms. His website seems to be getting some changes right now too. I like his style of calm explanations without any embellishments.

rayzorbak

YouTube….. X22 report is a great place for current info.
Here is a short (13 min) video that helps explain it.
Also …. Shadow gate:
https://www.infowars.com/shadowgate-full-film/
And Plandemic 1 and 2
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Y89m9i4y7mg2/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSMjLdaOvlI

Teagan

Also, suggests Praying Medic website

Gingersmom2009

This must have been the one he was listening to – his most recent podcast.

TheseTruths

Here is a long Neon Revolt article from July 11, 2018. Maybe you could find something there.
https://www.neonrevolt.com/2018/07/11/who-is-qanon-an-introduction-to-the-qanon-phenomenon-qanon-greatawakening/
I had a number of articles and threads bookmarked, and at least five of them can no longer be accessed because the publisher or Twitter took them down. Book-burning…

scott467

Neon also has a book which has received excellent reviews, and I think Praying Medic has a book too.
Here is a link to Neon’s book on Amazon:
*

.
And here is a link to Dave’s (a.k.a. Praying Medic) book:
*

scott467

I don’t have a description of what Q is, though I suspect it is a military intelligence unit working for DJT.
The most common obstacle we run into with people who are new to Q is for people to be overwhelmed with the MSM narrative that Q either isn’t real or is a ‘conspiracy theory’.
I was able to find a few of my arguments against that claim, that I posted over at CTH, before we were purged 😁
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scott467 says:
November 9, 2018 at 4:37 pm
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/11/07/jeff-sessions-resignation/comment-page-2/#comment-6301542
“Scott, with you taking that attitude, then you must have a tad more than a “WHIT of evidence” to begin to prove that Q is what the Qpeople say he is.”
________________
Why?
We are talking about something which cannot be proven, either way, without confirmation or denial by the president.
Until or unless that happens, the best anyone can have is an INFORMED opinion.
I’m not going around trying to force Q down anyone’s throat. I’m not insisting that everyone believe Q.
But many people here are insisting that Q is a hoax, a LARP, a fraud, a con, a (fill in the blank). And if you don’t agree with them, then you’re ‘stupid’, or a ‘fool’, or an ‘idiot’, or a ‘retard’ (I could go on).
But at least my opinion is INFORMED, which I can’t say for any of the Q-critics I’ve encountered so far.
So if you had spent some time trying to understand something, and some other people came along and said you were stupid, and what you were studying was a hoax, and you asked them if they had investigated it for themselves, and they said “no”, what are you supposed to do?
Just agree with those who choose to mock, and who can’t even be bothered to look into it themselves?
Or trust yourself?
If the Q-critics have not even bothered to investigate for themselves, then what are the Q-critics basing their opinion on, exactly?
What is it that compels them to attack that which they don’t understand? Many are paid trolls I suspect, there were a lot of people whose screen-names I didn’t recognize posting anti-Q attacks. But there were also a fair number of CTH regulars who were emboldened to pile-on and join the free-for-all, once SD gave the green light.
My position all along has been to point out that no one can prove that Q isn’t exactly who he/they claim to be. Can’t prove that he *IS*, but just as certainly, can’t prove that he *ISN’T*.
So if you CANNOT be sure either way, isn’t the most rational course of action to keep an open mind — and wait and see?
Is that too much to ask?
And yet, like a scene straight out of ‘Lord of the Flies’, with the weaker and more easily led personalities being led by the stronger, when the bandwagon gets started, it’s an amazing thing to watch how many jump onboard, most (all?) of whom have ZERO knowledge or understanding of what they speak.
Just lemmings moving with the herd.
I can’t do it. It’s like nails on the chalkboard. I’ve never been a ‘herd’ person. I’d like to ‘fit in’ the same as most normal people, but not at the expense of truth, or reason. I can’t just ‘go along to get along’, if what I’m supposed to ‘go along’ with doesn’t make sense, if there’s no argument or reason for it.
So I see this ‘Q’ phenomenon. And it’s interesting. And it keeps getting more interesting. And a dichotomy develops. Some people attack it relentlessly, often admitting they’ve never studied or examined it, they’re just apparently ‘compelled’ by some mental need to ‘attack’ it.
And those who have studied and examined it say ‘hey, wait a minute — it may be something, or it may not, but shouldn’t we examine it first before rendering judgment?’
And when the attackers refuse to even examine or inform themselves about the subject, insisting instead that we condemn and reject without anything more than cursory examination, what are those of us who have actually spent time understanding and examining it supposed to do?
Give in to those who choose to be willfully ignorant?
Is that reasonable, or even rational?
WTH?
I recognized early on that there would be no way to prove, certainly not to doubters who wouldn’t even examine the evidence for themselves, that Q was who he claims to be. The only person who could do it, to the satisfaction of the critics, is DJT himself.
So I have known that for a long time now.
The best I can do is point out what seem to be obvious questions, which no one can answer.
The following is one of my general ‘arguments’ to any Q-critic:
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I’m not asking anyone to take my word for anything, I am simply asking you to engage your mind, ask yourself a few questions, do some basic deductive reasoning, and reach your own conclusion.
That’s not unreasonable, is it?
So far, the following basic ‘what if’ argument has proven unbeatable. By which I mean NOBODY I have presented it to can beat it.
Can you beat it?
You claim that Q is a “LARP”.
Could be… there are really only 3 possibilities as to what Q could be, that I have been able to identify, with others just being derivatives of one of these main three:
1) Q could be a friendly (pro-Trump) but independent LARP.
2) Q could be a hostile LARP or psy-op masquerading as pro-Trump.
3) Q could be what it claims to be — a group working for and on behalf of Trump and his administration
So let’s look at those three main possibilities.
1) What if Q is an independent but friendly (pro-Trump) LARP or psy-op?
Any administration would necessarily have to shut it down, because Q is representing themselves as part of the administration — meaning whatever Q says will be associated with (and will reflect upon) the administration, to the extent that a significant number of people believe Q is part of the DJT administration – which a significant number of people do.
No administration could allow some group representing itself as part of the administration to continue if it was not true. Think about it. It’s a complete wildcard, potentially injurious and beyond their control, and which the administration would have to answer for if Q said or did something reprehensible while portraying themselves as part of the administration.
What business, much less the presidency of the United States, could allow such a wildcard, when the DAMAGE that wildcard could do is incalculable?
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2) What if Q is a hostile LARP or psy-op masquerading as pro-Trump?
All the reasons why a friendly LARP/psy-op could not be tolerated by the Trump administration (or any administration) goes DOUBLE for a hostile psy-op masquerading as part of your administration.
To allow a hostile group (e.g. Chinese, Russian, Deep State, DNC, Soros, you name it) to represent itself as part of your administration would be insane.
DJT is not insane.
Think about it. What if Q sucked all of these millions of Trump supporters into reading those posts, claiming to be part of the Trump administration, and then started posting racist comments and obscene photos and videos? Or started encouraging violence?
How would that reflect on the Trump administration, to the millions of people around the world who associate Q with the administration?
That’s what I mean by a ‘wildcard’. No organization (public or private) could or would risk the harm that an outside party poses by representing itself as being part of YOUR organization when it is NOT, and over which you have NO control.
Would YOU allow some group of unknown people to represent themselves as part of YOUR administration (or your business), let it go on for a YEAR and counting, and remain SILENT about it, and never deny it?
At what point would the Trump administration’s silence be deemed as consent?
Is it not a Maxim of Law that silence is consent?
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Qui tacet consennire videtur, ubi tractatur de ejus commodo: “He who is silent is deemed to consent.”
The maxim is Qui tacet consentiret: the maxim of the law is “Silence gives consent”. — Sir Thomas More
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Trump clearly knows about Q, as does the entire administration, and most of the country (and incredibly, the world). They’d have to be blind not to know about Q by this point — if Q was an outside entity.
Yet neither Trump nor anyone in his administration has disavowed Q or denied that Q was part of the administration.
They could. It would be easy. It would take two seconds.
But they haven’t.
Q is even encouraging MSM reporters to ASK DJT directly about Q… and not a single MSM reporter has done so.
Does a LARP encourage everyone to expose itself by asking the one person (the President) who could confirm or deny Q with authority?
If Q was an outside entity, the NSA or military intelligence could shut Q down in minutes.
But for sake of argument, suppose they couldn’t. Suppose the NSA and military intelligence didn’t have the requisite computer skills and hardware to do anything about Q.
What then?
DJT could personally and completely destroy Q’s credibility in seconds, simply by tweeting that ‘Q is fake’.
DJT could tweet “Q is a LARP, Q has nothing to do with my administration — don’t be fooled!” and Q’s ‘audience’ would instantly be gone.
Poof.
That has not happened.
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Ergo, if Q cannot be a friendly but independent LARP, and if Q could not be a hostile psy-op — for all of the obvious reasons mentioned above — what possibility does that leave?
What other possibility is there?
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“If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. It’s elementary, my dear Watson.”
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I have posed variations of this post numerous times, both here on CTH and elsewhere.
Not one time has it been credibly challenged, much less defeated.
Not.
Once.
And yet I’m supposed to give in, join the lemmings, and rush headfirst over the cliff?
I can’t do it.
So I’ll stand my ground.
At least I have ground to stand on.
I can’t say the same for Q’s critics.
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scott467 says:
May 22, 2018 at 12:15 am
“Last summer on “Q” sounded like a Zero Hedger fond of conspiracy theories about a certain middle eastern nation. He’s still a quack.”
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Have you reached your conclusion based on a direct examination of the posts and research, or based on secondary sources?
I see a lot of people attacking Q, and that’s fine if there is a coherent argument, but if there is, I haven’t seen it yet.
This isn’t so hard to wrap our arms around.
There are essentially three possibilities regarding Q:
1) an independent, friendly, pro-Trump LARP
2) a hostile psy-op / LARP masquerading as a very pro-Trump LARP
3) a group or team working directly for the Trump administration, exactly as Q claims
Skeptics dismiss #3 out of hand, so let’s set that aside and focus on the other two possibilities.
Possibility #1: an independent pro-Trump LARP representing itself as part of the administration
An independent operation is ‘rogue’ by definition, unaccountable, a wildcard. This particular wildcard has directly associated itself with the Trump administration, which means that what Q says reflects on the administration, to the extent that millions of Trump supporters believe Q is who he/they claim to be. That is a public relations nightmare waiting to happen (bad).
A rogue/independent operation, even a friendly one, could inadvertently expose or compromise an actual operation (bad).
And if Q is an independent, friendly/pro-Trump LARP, it must be the biggest, most complex, longest running LARP in the history of the Internet, being perpetrated against millions of Trump supporters in general, and most directly against a group of people (sometimes referring to themselves as ‘autists’) who seem to take great pleasure in uncovering deception and unraveling lies.
That’s not nothing.
If there is any upside to the administration allowing a friendly but rogue LARP to continue, misleading millions of Trump supporters, risking the administration’s reputation and credibility by association with an uncontrollable external entity, and risking exposure of legitimate operations, what is it?
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Possibility #2: a hostile anti-Trump LARP representing itself as a part of the administration
This possibility is difficult to reconcile, considering how overtly pro-Trump Q is, and considering how Q has ‘awakened’ millions of Americans to all kinds of Deep State / Globalist / Anti-American deception and treachery that most had never even thought of before.
So if Q is a hostile operation masquerading as a part of the Trump administration, he/they are doing amazing damage to their own interests, and show no signs of letting up.
But for sake of argument, suppose Q is a hostile psy-op. If so, why would the Trump administration allow it to continue, considering the risks a friendly rogue operation presents, much less a hostile operation?
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It should go without saying that the Trump administration is certainly aware of Q.
Likewise, if the Trump administration wanted to shut Q down, the NSA or military intelligence certainly have the technical capability and could easily do so. But even if they didn’t have that capability, President Trump could shut Q down by himself, in about 5 seconds.
A single Tweet, to his 20+ million Twitter followers, saying Q was a fraud or a LARP or a hostile operation, and Q’s credibility with his/their audience evaporates instantly.
Gone.
A rogue or independent operation, whether friendly or hostile, represents needless and unnecessary risks. The administration knows about Q, has the capability to shut Q down, and yet has not done so.
So considering the brief exploration of possibilities above, which one fits best?
1) an independent, friendly, pro-Trump LARP, the longest running and most complex LARP in the history of the Internet?
2) a hostile psy-op / LARP masquerading as a very pro-Trump LARP?
3) a group or team working directly for the Trump administration, exactly as Q claims?
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scott467 says:
September 6, 2018 at 2:21 pm
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/09/05/joe-digenova-gregg-jarrett-and-sara-carter-discuss-the-fisa-application-rod-rosenstein-and-bruce-ohr/comment-page-1/#comment-5916196
“OANN just had an interview on exposing Q as a hoax, or at least good intent thst got away from itself. Just a few 4Chan brothers.”
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What did they expose? Their opinion? Their ‘take my word for it, I was there’ testimony?
There is a guy named Col. Potter who does youtube videos who gets absolutely unhinged when talking about Q, but like all the others, he literally has BUPKIS to prove his opinion. So much so, that I began to question whether Potter was the actual psy-op, lol!
I can’t prove beyond any doubt that Q is real, any more than they can prove Q is fake, but I would love to pose a few basic questions to these anti-Q people.
The following is one of my general ‘arguments’ to any Q-critic:
…………………………….
I’m not asking anyone to take my word for anything, I am simply asking you to engage your mind, ask yourself a few questions, do some basic deductive reasoning, and reach your own conclusion.
That’s not unreasonable, is it?
So far, the following basic ‘what if’ argument has proven unbeatable. By which I mean NOBODY I have presented it to can beat it.
Can you beat it?
You claim that Q is a “LARP”.
Could be… there are really only 3 possibilities as to what Q could be, that I have been able to identify, with others just being derivatives of one of these main three:
1) Q could be a friendly (pro-Trump) but independent LARP.
2) Q could be a hostile LARP or psy-op masquerading as pro-Trump.
3) Q could be what it claims to be, a group working for and on behalf of Trump and his administration
So let’s look at those three main possibilities.
1) What if Q is an independent but friendly (pro-Trump) LARP or psy-op?
Any administration would have to shut it down, because Q is representing themselves as part of the administration — meaning whatever Q says will be associated with (and will reflect on) the administration, to the extent that a significant number of people believe Q is part of the DJT administration – which a significant number of people do.
No administration could allow some group representing itself as part of the administration to continue if it was not true. Think about it. It’s a complete wildcard, potentially injurious and beyond their control, and which the administration would have to answer for if Q said or did something reprehensible while portraying themselves as part of the administration.
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2) What if Q is a hostile LARP or psy-op masquerading as pro-Trump?
All the reasons why a friendly LARP/psy-op could not be tolerated by the Trump administration goes DOUBLE for a hostile psy-op masquerading as part of your administration.
To allow a hostile group (e.g. Chinese, Russian, Deep State, DNC, Soros, you name it) to represent itself as part of your administration would be insane.
DJT is not insane.
Think about it. What if Q sucked all of these people into reading those posts, claiming to be part of the Trump administration, and then started posting racist comments and obscene photos and videos? How would that reflect on the Trump administration, to the millions of people around the world who associate Q with the administration?
That’s what I mean by a ‘wildcard’. No organization (public or private) could or would risk the harm that an outside party poses by representing itself as being part of YOUR organization when it is NOT, and over which you have NO control.
Would YOU allow some group of people to represent themselves as part of YOUR administration (or your business), let it go on for 10 MONTHS and counting, and remain SILENT about it, and never deny it?
At what point would the Trump administration’s silence be deemed as consent?
Is it not a Maxim of Law that silence is consent?
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Qui tacet consennire videtur, ubi tractatur de ejus commodo: “He who is silent is deemed to consent.”
The maxim is Qui tacet consentiret: the maxim of the law is “Silence gives consent”. — Sir Thomas More
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Trump clearly knows about Q, as does the entire administration, and most of the country (and incredibly, the world). They’d have to be blind not to know about Q by this point — if Q was an outside entity.
Yet neither Trump nor anyone in his administration has disavowed Q or denied that Q was part of the administration.
They could. It would be easy. It would take two seconds.
But they haven’t.
Q is even encouraging MSM reporters to ASK DJT directly about Q… and not a single MSM reporter has done so. Does a LARP encourage everyone to expose itself by asking the one person (the President) who could confirm or deny Q with authority?
If Q was an outside entity, the NSA or military intelligence could shut Q down in minutes. But for sake of argument, suppose they couldn’t. Suppose the NSA and military intelligence didn’t have the requisite computer skills and hardware to do anything about Q.
What then?
DJT could personally and completely destroy Q’s credibility in seconds, simply by tweeting that ‘Q is fake’. DJT could tweet “Q is a LARP, Q has nothing to do with my administration — don’t be fooled!” and Q’s ‘audience’ would instantly be gone.
Poof.
That has not happened.
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Ergo, if Q cannot be a friendly but independent LARP, and if Q could not be a hostile psy-op — for all of the obvious reasons mentioned above — what possibility does that leave?
What other possibility is there?
If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. It’s elementary, my dear Watson.”
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I have posed variations of this post numerous times, both here on CTH and elsewhere.
Not one time has it been credibly challenged, much less defeated.
Not.
Once.
👍 😁

phoenixrising37

Bravo Scott… Bravo…

singularzoe

Some of my friends who follow q like a site called RedPill78.

scott467

Thank you zoe, I’ll check it out 👍

phoenixrising37

Thanks Zoe for that info

trumpismine

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^🙌^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

singularzoe

Scott, are you part of Q? Lol.

scott467

I just like subjects that are so clearly definable that you can create an airtight argument which cannot be defeated — and then challenge anyone to try to defeat it.
Because it’s fun 😁
You can never force someone to agree with you, but what you can sometimes do is silence them, or as the Bible puts it, ‘stop their mouths’.
Most online ‘debates’ or ‘arguments’ are never-ending (offline too, now that I think of it), because you will almost never get someone to change their mind and agree with you. I can only recall ONE time that has ever happened, during the course of a long online ‘debate’.
So under normal circumstances, it’s practically impossible to ‘win’, or to come to a mutual understanding or agreement in an online ‘debate’. It’s still fun, but ultimately pointless, because nobody ever ‘wins’, because there’s no objective ‘referee’ to declare a ‘winner’.
So I tried to figure out a way that I could ‘win’, because I like the contest, but it’s a lot more fun if you can actually ‘win’. So through trial and error, I came up with a way to do that. To present an argument in such a way that your opponent simply cannot answer, and then very directly challenge them to answer, i.e., to defeat the argument.
If they can’t, if there is nothing they can say to defeat your argument, if they are effectively ‘speechless’, if they can’t reply, then (effectively) you ‘win’.
And once you have a ‘tight’ argument that has been tested, you can use it over and over again whenever the subject comes up, because you already know it works. I used the pro-Q argument dozens of times. Aubergine said she has used it many times too, and nobody can beat it 👍
I have used the ‘There can be no such thing as moderate islam‘ argument at least a hundred times (I used to keep count). It has never been defeated. On the rare occasion that anyone even tries, all you have to do is direct the discussion right back to the original argument and demand a coherent answer (i.e., something other than dogmatic assertion).
They can’t. And if they try, it’s even worse for them, because everyone can see that they can’t. Silence (for the opponent) is the safest move they can make. And silence (for the opponent) is losing. It only gets worse for them if they actually try to defeat the argument 😂
Same with the argument about Bishops (a.k.a. elders) needing to be A) a man, B) married, and C) have at least one child in order to meet the qualifications given by God in His Word to be a Bishop in the Lord’s church. If there is a way to defeat that argument, I haven’t seen it, and no one has ever done it yet.
It’s not always easy to pull off, but that’s what makes it fun. You have to present your own argument and anticipate, raise and answer every potential objection your opponent could make, within the body of your own argument, so that you eliminate any opportunity for counterargument by addressing and defeating your opponent’s points preemptively. And make it all reasonably concise.
So all that’s left to dispute then is facts and logic. If your facts are right, and your logic is sound, then what can they possibly say?
Nothing.
Just like the people on CTH when I presented the argument against the Q critics.
There was nothing they could say.
Victory 😁
And since I knew the argument could not be defeated, I could post it every day, or whenever people started going off on Q or Q supporters.
So I did.
It stopped their mouths, because they had no ‘answer’, no counterargument, there was nothing they could say… 😁

gudthots

Looks like you could write a book too Scott.

phoenixrising37
ForGodandCountry

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phoenixrising37

LOVE it…

ForGodandCountry

Best thing to do is encourage him the same way the Lord answered…
Seek and ye shall find.
Believe first, and be not deterred from finding the truth.
Spoonfed begets a weak mind. The hard work and time spent digging for the answers breeds a hearty christian, and/or patriot warrior, who will not be easily deterred, fooled, or dissuaded from the righteous path.
Show him all the anti-Q crap, and explain WHY Q is such a threat. And if Q was not a threat to them, they would not spend so much time attempting to debunk a “conspiracy theory”.
Start asking him the very same questions Q asked us, and let him dig for the answers.
Very quickly, you won’t have to lift a finger….he’ll take over from there as his eyes are opened and he begins to see reality from what has been scripted by the media.comment image

trumpismine

Ooo, la la, NY might be in play for POTUS

And California??

gil00

San Dimas. CA. Borderline between L.A. and going inland. Good amount of people. The guy who did the video is gay and Hispanic.

trumpismine

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
A “Favored Nations Clause” against Big Pharma, which I signed last week, means that the USA gets a price on Prescription Drugs that matches the price of the Country that pays the lowest price anywhere in the World. 50%, 60%, maybe 70% reduction. No other President would do this!

Using GoodRx yesterday, I lowered the cost of 3 prescriptions by another $30. The past 3 years, prices have been going down, down, down, and this is before POTUS finishes his deal. One has gone from $120 to $28. Looking forward to his deal being done. I thank President Trump every time I get my meds. The black pharmacy lady smiles at me. 💗

duchess01

duchess01

scott467

It better not be the same chief of police or mayor. They already gave up the last police station, allowed CIVILIANS to overrun a POLICE STATION.
They don’t deserve another one, or a single dime of taxpayer money, until the mayor and the chief of police are FIRED.

duchess01

Agree, Scott!!! Take it out of their hides – and send them to the clinker!!!

duchess01

ForGodandCountry

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PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE!!!

duchess01

duchess01

scott467

“#Utah’s K-12 #Students and #Teachers can be charged with a misdemeanor if they don’t wear #FaceCoverings while in #School as required by the governor’s order.”
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So make the enemy DO it.
MAKE the enemy send in a cop to cite a Kindergarten student.
Then have the parents demand a jury trial, and call the mayor and the governor and the whole *&^% government as witnesses to testify against a 5-year old child.
Let the enemy deal with THAT ‘optic’, all day long, every day, until they’re dead or chased out of town with blowtorches.

scott467

CALL their BLUFF.
MAKE them DO IT.

duchess01

Then on to the Supremes!!

YES!!! Looking forward to it!!!

duchess01

duchess01

phoenixrising37

They got the winner right…
Biden will NEVAH reach 176…
TRUMP LANDSLIDE COMIN’ ……………………

duchess01

Agree, that number seemed a bit too large – cannot wait to see the viewership for the RNC – and the ‘Bump for Trump’ on Friday!!!

phoenixrising37

POTUS got a bump already from DIMs con-vention…
Biden got a ‘dive’ … not a bump

duchess01

Yes, but can you imagine what will happen AFTER the RNC? Now – they are saying PT could take both CA and NY – add that to TX – and the Trump Train will run all over those Marxist Maniacs!!!

trumpismine

Ava Armstrong, Author
@MsAvaArmstrong
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6m
The Left keeps saying “without immigrants we wouldn’t have a growing population.”
well, hey — what about the 60 MILLION aborted babies?
if we would’ve let them have a chance at life, get adopted, then we would have plenty of young people to replace the older ones.comment image

TheseTruths

Sadly, I think the real goal of the Left is to decrease the population. That is one of the few things they are still not open about yet.

scott467

And make lots of money selling baby parts.
There are Lamborghinis they need to buy.
And it would surprise me not at all to find out that Leftists are selling baby parts or even whole babies as FOOD for other sick Leftists to cannibalize.
The wealthy Chinese are doing it, and the Chinese OWN the American Left. What are the chances that eating babies is only happening within the borders of Xi Jinping’s China?
Besides that, current Chinese maps probably include Hollywood as a Chinese territory anyway.

cthulhu

Graumann’s, sure — but more than that?!?!?!?

scott467

“Graumann’s, sure — but more than that?!?!?!?”
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I’m guessing ALL of it.
Their control is so all-encompassing and neurotic that they even forced the removal of a Taiwan flag from Tom Cruise’s bomber jacket in the sequel to ‘Top Gun‘. The CCP has a compulsive need to control everything.
And we only know about that because (presumably) some eagle-eyed Tom Cruise fanatic noticed it.
Imagine what else they’re doing that nobody ever notices…

gil00

They got paid by all the corporations who paid blm. Are the being coy or stupid?

TheseTruths

Offered money by whom? That’s what we need to know.

gil00

Chicago is an irredeemable sheethole. Nothing is going to fix the city but scorched earth.
Drew Hernandez (@livesmattershow) Tweeted:
BLM celebrating over the severed body of a piñata pig symbolizing a police officer in Chicago https://t.co/0V7N4Vs9v7

phoenixrising37

Who’s Gonna Be Lucky Indicted #2? – Brian Cates Retweeted
Tony Shaffer@T_S_P_O_O_K_Y
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53m
Excellent!
Quote Tweet
Ryan Fournier@RyanAFournier
· 3h
BREAKING: The second suspect who attacked the 7-year-old Trump supporter has just been arrested.
Her name is Camryn Amy. She’s being held on a $42,000 bond.
She was charged with robbery, conspiracy, offensive touching, and endangering the welfare of a child.
JUSTICE.

gil00

This is the police release. The blond is being held. Its one thing to be arrested, now lets see if the prosecutor does their job.
http://nixle.us/C5L24

kalbokalbs

Guessing we’ll have a guest appearance by this 7 year old and his Mama during Republican convention.

Aubergine

Another report from Idaho:
Today was not as mask-free as yesterday. We are in a college town. Lunch was no problem, in a small family-owned Italian joint. The food was outstanding. But the second hand stores were all mask-Nazis. The museum and fort replica was awesome, though. The highlight of the trip so far. Our tour guide was a Mormon kid, about 18. When we were in the replica courthouse, there was an American flag. He asked if we would like him to sing the National Anthem. We said yes!
Holy Moly! A cappella, the most glorious alto voice imaginable! Absolutely perfect pitch, and the acoustics were unreal. We both stood hands over hearts and cried. Simply amazing. And he never wore a mask, the whole tour. It was just us, after all, patriots of a feather.
He also played the antique pump organ and piano for us.
All in all, a good day.

phoenixrising37

Thanks for sharing Aubergine… what a wonderful treat to hear this young man.
Here’s hoping the rest of your trip is just as joy-filled…

phoenixrising37

I am really looking forward to this comin’ week…which I believe will be very positive and uplifting, with Convention and so many UPS in the economy…
Let’s all be supportive of each other and of our VSG President… I’m sure y’all will be praying or sending good thoughts for the First Family and those who protect them.
Keep the faith QTreepers… we’re winnin’…

❣❣❣

gil00

Seth Mandel (@SethAMandel) Tweeted:
God bless Ric Grenell

ForGodandCountry

Stunning policy achievement.

Teagan

Steve, before your “shift” ends…I wanted to thank you for the most interesting history lesson about the money. A lot of thought and effort went into the post….much appreciated.
I wish I had thought to bring back more examples of local currency’s from my decades of foreign travels. I did bring some Chinese and Hong Kong money home, mainly because it was colorful and quite unique. Actually, the HK money might be a collector’s item in the future since I’m sure it will be replaced soon.

pgroup

Found this comment OT:
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Most people aren’t aware of the “added functionality” that the USPS gives to the money grubbin’ lawyers.
First Class mail requires a warrant to open BUT the USPS photographs the outside of EVERY First Class item and package.
If a lawyer thinks you might have assets that they don’t know about, they can apply to the local DA for a “mail cover” so they can see if you have any mail from a stock brokerage, interest statements from an out of state or overseas bank or anything that looks like an asset.
No warrant needed as the data they want is on the outside of the envelope/package.
Then, they have the information they need for a warrant for the financial records.
Most postal employees that you will interact with will be unaware of this process.

kalbokalbs

Guessing these powers lie in the Postal Inspectors. Not the every day clerk, carrier…
Very noteworthy, “USPS photographs the outside of EVERY First Class item and package.” IF they keep it for a sort duration, probably OK with it. Thinking the anthrax, mail bombs… But data, must be destroyed, written over after say a week or so. Otherwise, this is simply more of the Big Brother spying on Americans. NOT ACCEPTABLE.

gil00

Ian Miles Cheong (@stillgray) Tweeted:
BLM activists harass restaurant goers in DC. https://t.co/mRyE4pkM8N

mollypitcher5

We have to live like hermits, our kids can’t socialize, can’t go to school, no facial expression allowed to be shared, don’t dare breathe around others because the f*cking fake lie but this..night after night after night. Their filthy germy bacterial waste strewn all over the place ???? What about the virus?
I’m fed up with the lie

gil00

If POTUS wins, supposed mly itll all go away. I dont believe it. Butvthen again, if he wins a lot of seats maybe something positive will chsnge.

mollypitcher5

I do not believe this will fade even if he wins. Why would it ?
IMHO it’s not going away until there is blood spilled.
How long do people turn the other cheek only to be slapped again?
How do neighborhoods deal with bullhorns and scary masked marauders trampling their yards and vandalizing.
There must be a new directive to harass average consumers and small biz owners. I’ve seen a handful of vids of wigged out screamers in stores and other places. No purpose but to inflame

After he wins re-election, it will be much easier to declare martial law or use the Insurrection Act or whatever tools he has to fix it. I believe he will fix it.

singularzoe

Obama phones. Antifa advised by Chicoms–and Obama people

kalbokalbs

After President Trump is reelected, the winter is settling in and President Trump WILL deploy the military to shut down the riots and terrorists.

gil00

I hope that is the case. Do the leftists get to destroy Thanksgiving and Christmas with their bs? Nass mass arrests are needed.

Elizabeth Carter

God Alone is the Author of Life and the Giver of Grace” // President Trump
•Aug 22, 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9q60-lAwfc

Elizabeth Carter

EP114 – The Cycles of Arrogance and Stubbornness
Aug 21, 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qu8ZQKTa_A

Elizabeth Carter

EP115 – The Movie
•Aug 22, 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LCG2qqC6CM

Time to tell everyone you know and then let the DOJ know that we know.

If all the suppositions in the article are true, the information could be significant. But it all seems to be based on this premise (from the article, emphasis mine):
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First, in order to fill in another corner of the interview foundation it must be remembered the goal of the DOJ under former AG Jeff Sessions, despite his recusal on all things Trump, was the removal of political influence in the DOJ. That same objective has been repeated ad infinitum by current AG Bill Barr. This approach is why everyone in/around any issue that skirts on the investigative tissue keeps saying: “a very delicate balance is being navigated”, and “very sensitive approaches” are needed.
As expressed by almost everyone in and around the issue, any evidence that comes from inside the political silo is considered unusable. This sets up a rather challenging approach… hence the overused “delicate balances” etc.
This overlay, the aggressive need not to use political information, is also frustrating.
Some are beginning to question whether it is actually a shield to justify a lack of accountability or institutional preservation. Keep up the pressure, the concerns are valid. The public doesn’t draw distinctions from the origin of evidence.
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SD does not provide evidence for these claims in his footnotes in the article. I searched and did not find Barr mentioning a “political silo.” One article about Sessions said that the DOJ has been trying to keep from politicizing investigations since the 1990s. There is a difference between these ideas:
1) having the goal of not using DOJ investigations as a political weapon — i.e., siccing the DOJ on a political opponent for the purpose of gaining political advantage over them (which could even imply using trumped-up charges) — and
2) using a stated goal of not being political to justify coverups and lack of accountability.
I need evidence before I believe that Sessions or Barr are doing the latter.

wolfmoon1776

I would say that 2 is really 2a and 2b.
1 is what you say – Eric Holder on offense – going after people using DOJ as a weapon.
2a is what you say – using “we can’t be political” to cover things up. That’s Eric Holder as well. Holder also tries over and over to hold Republicans to this standard to cover up DEMOCRAT stuff. “You can’t be political.”
2b is “we can’t look political” with the GOAL of not BEING political, and the cost of incidentally covering things up. The value is on the cause, the effect is an accepted downside. I think SD is more worried about this now.
This whole problem of DOJ trying to not “be political” is a long-standing one, and what Holder and the commies did was to change the CULTURE of DOJ slowly over time (since 1992), so that politicization would become normalized – people would not detect it. Socialism loves this, because people don’t like to admit that their normal can be changed without their conscious understanding, so the victim does all the work of denial.
Everything revolves around the fact that “political crimes” are not the same thing as “crime by politicians”, and it is the conflation of these that Dems use as a defense, calling one the other.

gil00

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phoenixrising37

An exercise in futility………………………

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kea

LOL
Rose McGowan calls Alyssa Milano a ‘fraud’ in political Twitter feud: ‘Get off my coattails’
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/rose-mc-gowan-calls-alyssa-milano-a-fraud-in-political-twitter-feud-get-off-my-coattails-182509487.html

mollypitcher5

Big night for BLM/Antifa….violence ongoing in DC,Charlotte,Olympia,Portland,Seattle, Beverly Hills, Chicago, Denver..probably other places that no vids have surfaced

gil00

I saw all that. But you know itll get worse. Im already thinking about Halloween and the month prior. Im expecting cities to ban Halloween parties and trick or treat. Halloween itself is a Saturday.

mollypitcher5

LOL. You’re way more optimistic than I am ! Things are escalating wildly..Halloween is 60 days away. Honestly I think some crazy stuff is going to force the issue once and for all one of these days

mollypitcher5

And I agree with ya..Halloween will probably be forbidden by the WuFlu overlords anyway

gil00

They arent going to stop it. Its easy to do no contact candy. Besides kiddo has his costume from last year that hes wearing again. Scooby.

wolfmoon1776

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