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“This day is holy to the Lord your God;
do not mourn nor weep.” . . .
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and send portions to those for whom nothing is prepared;
for this day is holy to our Lord.
Do not sorrow,
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Sacrificial Kindness

H/T to the Shovel Lady.

During this ongoing and interminable political season, most of us probably have developed a large mental list of people who supported policies that resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths from COVID, the grooming of our children, the theft of our elections, the invasion of our southern border, the loss of our energy independence, the defunding of our law officers, the closure of our businesses, the crime and destruction in our cities, and other destructive liberal policies, and now wish us harm . . . we now consider them our enemies, and want to see some kind of penalty levied.

They supported policies that did us harm, so we now want to see some harm befall them . . . but is this the attitude that we should be holding? Y’know, something like an eye for an eye?

According to Proverbs 25:21–22, the Lord would have us treat our enemies with kindness and generosity: “If your enemy is hungry, give him food to eat; if he is thirsty, give him water to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head, and the LORD will reward you.” This passage states the paradoxical kingdom truth that the way to deal with an enemy is to do him good.

Elisha the prophet carried out a similar kindness for the Aramean army when they came against Israel, setting food and drink before the troops and then sending them home. After that, they stayed away from Israel (2 Kings 6:21–23; cf. 2 Chronicles 28:15). Old Testament law even commanded that an Israelite return his enemy’s ox or donkey if it strayed and give aid to his enemy’s ailing beast of burden (Exodus 23:4–5).

Heap burning coals on someone’s head is an expression associated with punishment in the Bible (Psalm 11:6; 140:10). The idea is that under the heat and pressure of applied kindness, the person will feel ashamed, regret his actions, and repent. The phrase could have originated from an ancient Egyptian propitiation ritual in which a person guilty of a crime was made to carry a basin of burning embers on his head as a symbol of his repentance. The goal of treating our enemies with kindness is to bring them to a place of conviction about their wrongdoing and, thus, cause them to repent.

In Romans 12:9–21, the apostle Paul cited Proverbs 25:21–22 to show that we overcome evil through love and goodness. He taught, “Bless those who persecute you. Don’t curse them; pray that God will bless them” (verse 14, NLT). “Never pay back evil with more evil” (verse 17, NLT). “Dear friends, never take revenge. Leave that to the righteous anger of God. For the Scriptures say, ‘I will take revenge; I will pay them back,’ says the LORD. Instead, ‘If your enemies are hungry, feed them. If they are thirsty, give them something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals of shame on their heads.’ Don’t let evil conquer you, but conquer evil by doing good” (verses 19–21, NLT).

Our instinctive human reaction to being wronged is to retaliate against our enemies. Yet, such a response is prohibited to followers of Christ. Jesus taught, “Do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also” (Matthew 5:39). As Christians, we are to love our enemies and pray for those who persecute us (Matthew 5:43–48). We conquer evil by doing what is good, and we win over our enemies by loving them and treating them with kindness and compassion.

In His great Sermon on the Mount, Jesus called His disciples to be agents of peace in this world: “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God. Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven” (Matthew 5:9–12).

There are reasons why Christians should not take revenge. First and foremost, God has made it expressly clear in Scripture that it is His job to punish sin (Deuteronomy 32:35, 41; Ecclesiastes 12:14). And, since God wants “all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth,” Christians are to lead “peaceful and quiet” lives, so they don’t hinder the work of the gospel (1 Timothy 2:1–4). When we perform God’s job of avenging ourselves and punishing our enemies, we run the risk of bringing harm to the cause of the gospel. But when we love our enemies sincerely and sacrificially, God will honor and reward us.

For a Christian, the best way to defeat an enemy is to turn that enemy into a brother or sister in Christ. Romans 2:4 says that God’s kindness is intended to lead people to repentance. It stands to follow that our kindness to an enemy might also help bring that person to repentance. Treating our enemies with unexpected benevolence and generosity will have a disarming and discomforting effect, with the potential of leading them to remorse, repentance, and salvation in Jesus Christ.

God sacrificed Jesus, His Son, part of Himself, for us while we were still His sin-filled enemies. Shouldn’t we, as a minimum, make a determined effort to follow His teaching and example in our own lives to our perceived enemies?

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pgroup2

Happy Sunday, all y’all.  😍 

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Happy Sunday. It’s good to be alive, and it’s even better to be here! Praise the Lord!

kalbokalbs

Happy back at ya and everyone! Great day!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

“Because when you were still God’s enemy, he loved you.”

A very short but powerful explanation.

TheseTruths

During this ongoing and interminable political season, most of us probably have developed a large mental list of people who supported policies that resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths from COVID, the grooming of our children, the theft of our elections, the invasion of our southern border, the loss of our energy independence, the defunding of our law officers, the closure of our businesses, the crime and destruction in our cities, and other destructive liberal policies, and now wish us harm . . . we now consider them our enemies, and want to see some kind of penalty levied.

I don’t have a desire to personally exact revenge on people, but I want their evil deeds to be stopped and justice to be done. There is a reason why we have laws. When people do not own their faults and wrongdoing, then there is no reason to continue to trust that they will do no more harm. Until they acknowledge that they wronged us; that their policies were unconstitutional; that they hurt, inconvenienced, and even caused illness and death in us, then I will not trust them. Until they say we didn’t deserve that and their behavior, words, and policies were abusive, I will not trust them.

I think a statement like this…

We conquer evil by doing what is good, and we win over our enemies by loving them and treating them with kindness and compassion.

…is sometimes misinterpreted. One example is leftists thinking they could win over Muslim terrorists by “loving” them. Some got killed because they failed to recognize the nature of their enemies.

Some people interpret these verses to mean they have to be a doormat, but that isn’t Scriptural either. There has to be a balance, and setting boundaries is appropriate. A wise person once told me that sometimes that IS the loving thing to do. Continuing to tolerate and cater to inappropriate and abusive behavior only compounds the problems. A person who repeatedly takes advantage of or inconveniences others without acknowledgment or apology is not going to learn anything by being cosseted.

We have hordes of people invading this country illegally. A case could be made that they are our enemies. So how do we love them? Do we allow them to take resources from our countrymen, to destroy the peace and cleanliness of our cities, and to bring in crime and disease? Do we facilitate foreign invaders crossing our borders and setting up unseen armies within our country, by “loving” them? No. Common sense is required.

IMO, hoping and praying that people will turn from their ways is loving them. In the meantime, sometimes boundaries have to be set that might not look like “love” on the surface.

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Well said. We shouldn’t be idiots! But we should be kind.

Aubergine

I believe strongly in the concept of “tough love.”

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

AMEN. Sometimes necessary.

Aubergine

🙂

scott467

What she said.

Aubergine

Who, me?

🙂

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TheseTruths

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Theater. Pure kabuki. They want this. That money will go to all the wrong people via CARTEL KATIE.

Brave and Free

Payoff’s in plain view.
The proverbial scratch my back I’ll scratch yours.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

EXACTLY. They think we’re idiots.

scott467

“They think we’re idiots.”

________

To the extent they think of us at all.

What they know, clearly, is that we won’t do anything to stop them.

Cuppa Covfefe

And “the Big Guy” gets $51.2M for his “efforts”…

pgroup2

Babylon Bee is now using Daily Mail to place its stories? Damn clever.

Valerie Curren

  :wpds_lol: 

TheseTruths

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Garrison is pulling no punches. The irony of woke turning antisemitic is well-played here by a man accused repeatedly and unfairly of antisemitism, by the same people who coddled the Hamas lovers and fed the baby dragon of American Islamic antisemitism to what it is now.

Valerie Curren

Nod to purple revolution there too? Remember Hitlery & BJ (Bill Jefferson) coming out in conspicuous purple when she finally gave her concession speech in 2016…

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Oh, this cartoon is RICH in layers. Choosing to show the woke antisemites poisoning the well (an old antisemitic meme) is going to be lost on a lot of folks, but it’s a subtle brick through the window to all those who were fooled by the left into feeding the Pal-pal dragon.

Valerie Curren

Excellent!

Cuppa Covfefe

I think there’s some reason the well is off-center, yet aligned with the grid of tiles… can’t quite pin it down (need more covfefe)…

kalbokalbs

Left of Center – Whacko Central. Thanks for pointing it out.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

WOW. Garrison. CLEVER.

Valerie Curren

I was wondering about that too but no clue here…from our frame of reference the well of knowledge is shifted left, so out of balance, as in campus knowledge dippers refuse/unable to plumb the depths of info on the Right…plus they are not pouring poison into the right side either…

scott467
TheseTruths

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SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Or a knit mask!

Cuppa Covfefe

They’re all a bunch of cheetahs…

TheseTruths

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

BRILLIANT.

Valerie Curren

This is a challenging teaching, especially in these times of perpetual darkness, deception, & genocidal psychopathic totalitarians.

It’s possible that we misunderstand what is meant by loving our enemies. In “God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish but shall have everlasting life” God’s love required the monstrous death & torture of His Son.

God’s way of loving Israel back to Himself often involved allowing invaders to overrun & even kill many of them, always with the goal that Israel would repent of evil ways, call upon the Lord, & be saved again. This was perhaps akin to the surgeon’s blade that removes a deadly cancer yet attempts to prevent its recurrence by resecting some of the seeming healthy flesh to ensure the disease margins are fully excised.

I often harken back to the scriptural admonition to “speak the truth in love”. In our family I am more likely to be the one speaking (often brutal) truth. My husband, when not angry, is more likely to speak lovingly but not exactly “honestly” based on what he says when in the throes of anger.

God’s balance point of speaking both truthfully AND lovingly is very difficult to achieve in our own strength. The Holy Spirit can work through us when we yield to Him to enable us to speak even hard truths in Christ’s compassionate & wise love.

In “loving our enemies” beginning with speaking truth in love seems like a good starting place to me. Not coddling, nor excusing monstrous evil, but still treating them as a (potentially future) brother or sister & operating within the so called golden rule of “doing unto others as you would have them do unto you” seems vital.

“With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible!”

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TradeBait2

Just throwing this out there.

Jesus fulfilled scripture prophecy as the Son of Man. His example and words are of God. He referenced how we as individuals should respond to evil or insults to us as individuals – as He did.

What do the scriptures NOT say? Allow evil to harm and kill innocent people. As an example we probably should not believe that Jesus would allow a child to be physically harmed in His presence based upon His scripturally recorded statements. We do not now the actual answer to that scenario, but we have enough from Him to make a reasonable assumption.

So I present this:

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/erik-raymond/should-christians-defend-themselves/

“As Christians we are called to value the image of God in the lives of others even as we protect the weak and vulnerable (Ps. 82:3-4Prov. 31:8-9Isa. 1:171 Tim. 5:8). In some cases the defense of the weak may require intervention with an attacker. Though undesirable, this action could prevent further loss of life.

“In both testaments we see example of believers taking steps to defend themselves, even arming themselves, in the face of potential danger. In Exodus 22:2-3 we see God speak to the acceptability of defending one’s home against a thief. In Nehemiah 4:16-18 when the city was being rebuilt the men divided the labor in such a way that some took up spears, shields, and bows while others worked. Those who carried the loads or built the wall did so with their weapon readily available. Jesus himself instructed his disciples to sell their cloak and buy swords (Lk. 27:36). Furthermore, Jesus regularly used word pictures and stories about self-defense in order to make a broader spiritual point (Lk. 11:21Mt. 12:29). The biblical narratives seem to assume the right of sober self-defense.

We recognize that this is a sensitive issue of conscience for many, and that grace and love must characterize this conversation. We also are convinced that any such self-defense must be considered as a last resort and in response to a reasonable threat. The same principle of valuing the image of God in others that drives us to protect the weak among us also compels us to a careful and measured response.”

Just my view and I understand others may view it differently, but we are to defend truth and the sanctity of human life. God breathed life into us from the dust of the ground per Genesis. Life is sacred, evil man does not trump God’s intent or law. Just allow vengeance (revenge) to be His to address.

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Valerie Curren

Hearty Amen for this well said perspective filled with God’s wisdom, imo–TY  😇 

Aubergine

Thank you! This comports with my feelings and thoughts about self-defense and what we are meant to do.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Pfizer may be in big trouble on this frameshifting stuff. There is a paywall here, but what you see before that is HUGE.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Great video here. This guy warned about the frameshifting and started getting censored back then, before Elon. He broke past them on Twitter with the DNA stuff after Elon took over.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Barb Meier
scott467

Why is the Nazi mini-dictator of Ukraine in attendance?

kalbokalbs

Rattling his tin cup.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Brave and Free

Well that’ll make some Karen heads explode.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

kalbokalbs

Free entertainment.

pgroup2

YESSSSSS!

Cuppa Covfefe

Especially because empty vessels (vassals?) make the most noise…

kalbokalbs

MeThinks the Tucker Jones interview, played in to the reinstatement. <<< Eye Opening.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Very astute. Great catch. Completely agreed!!!

TradeBait2

It was for me, so not surprised it was for Elon as well.

kalbokalbs

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Oh, that was great! Thank you!!!

Barb Meier
Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Hilarious!!!

Cuppa Covfefe

And here’s another place he visited. Someone just did another, erm, evening trip…

He’s sometimes way out there, but he’s also way, WAYYY ahead…

Reheating the owl, as it were (warming up again)… H/T VigilantCitizen…

Barb Meier

I’d rather do that during daylight hours and just be sure there’s no events.

Valerie Curren

Sweet!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

cthulhu

Did the Hormel patent run out?

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

LOL!

Cuppa Covfefe

Ahhh, that whore Mel…

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

More on Gab!

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Wolf Moon
@WOLFM00N
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Once establishment scientists published that the mRNA shots are creating SPAM PROTEINS in cells due to frameshifting, the countdown toward a reckoning started. Note that this paper is from Oxford, which worked on the AstraZeneca vaccine (no frameshifting), which was “taken out” by Pfizer and its Faucist allies over clotting issues. Sure looks like Oxford got sweet revenge – at least it does, from these cheap seats.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06800-3

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Brave and Free

Looks like a wall to keep the invaders out………..

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

This is kinda funny.

cthulhu

It may seem funny, but it appears that it’s already killed two people.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/12/panera-charged-lemonade-that-kills-you-lawsuit-facts.html

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

YIKES!!!

kalbokalbs

Yea. Bored with this shortly after it popped up.

kalbokalbs

Grateful here, to not be married to that dipshit.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

LOL!!!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Stroke. Too early for people to ask if it was the jab.

kalbokalbs

Wonder if anyone close to TB will ask the obvious.

  • Jabbed? Boosted? Re-boosted? Autopsy?
  • Was it SADS? (No pun intended) Cancer, with a Turbocharger? Heart issue? …
para59r

If she ever took the jab, it’s doubtful she was into the boosters.

Next question might then be did she drink the lemonade at Paneras?
And of course it’s not just Paneras. Many of those energy drinks have excessive amounts of caffeine and the younger folk toss them back (drink them) like they are going out of style. I used to spike my beer with a powder form. Great stuff, but it will eventually catch up to you. Best to limit intake on that stuff. Even on coffee alone it’s One or two and done.

kalbokalbs

No idea what was reality for TB. Hopefully she did not take the Jab & Booster(s). In any case, at some point TB recognized, Jabs are unsafe.

If TB took the Jab, likely also a Booster, which, IIRC, started in late 2021.

Yea. All of the caffeine in drinks these days, is why I scroll on by with the Panera lemonade, or whatever the beverage is. Click bait. IMO.

Personally, I stay out of Panera yuppy palaces.

pgroup2

Step Zero for AA members is

“There’s no reason for you to go into a bar, unless it’s to yell fire.”

We could borrow that to use for any yuppie palace.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I suppose if they are accustomed to their best friends gathering at some bar on Fridays that’s a reason. Not a good enough one IMHO unless they can exercise a lot of self control (however if they’re in AA that’s prima facie very difficult for them).

If they’re good friends, they will change hangouts. You shouldn’t place someone you care about in front of a temptation to self-destructive behavior, if you can avoid it. If one of them gets aggressive about needing a beer at the end of the week, perhaps they should go to AA as well. (I have know a lot of people to actively hate me for not wanting to drink with them. And many who flatly won’t go to places that don’t serve alcohol. [I wonder if they’re borderline alcoholic particularly when they’re not fussy about their other activities.] In my case, it’s not alcoholism but rather just flat out not enjoying it. Trump and I would get along on that score.)

Valerie Curren

You shouldn’t place someone you care about in front of a temptation to self-destructive behavior, if you can avoid it.”

This is pretty close to the biblical admonition that appears in various forms throughout scripture, including the “love your neighbor as yourself” passage.

The footnotes in the below quotes are lettered in the text but appear numbered here in the copies…sorry for the hassle…

Luke 17

Sin, Faith, Duty
17 Jesus said to his disciples: “Things that cause people to stumble are bound to come, but woe to anyone through whom they come. It would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble. So watch yourselves.

I Corinthians 10

The Believer’s Freedom
23 “I have the right to do anything,” you say—but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”—but not everything is constructive. 24 No one should seek their own good, but the good of others.

25 Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience, 26 for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.”[f]

27 If an unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience. 28 But if someone says to you, “This has been offered in sacrifice,” then do not eat it, both for the sake of the one who told you and for the sake of conscience. 29 I am referring to the other person’s conscience, not yours. For why is my freedom being judged by another’s conscience? 30 If I take part in the meal with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of something I thank God for?

31 So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God. 32 Do not cause anyone to stumble, whether Jews, Greeks or the church of God— 33 even as I try to please everyone in every way. For I am not seeking my own good but the good of many, so that they may be saved.

Footnote f: 1 Corinthians 10:26 Psalm 24:1

1 Corinthians 8
New International Version
Concerning Food Sacrificed to Idols
Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that “We all possess knowledge.” But knowledge puffs up while love builds up. Those who think they know something do not yet know as they ought to know. But whoever loves God is known by God.[a]

So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

But not everyone possesses this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat sacrificial food they think of it as having been sacrificed to a god, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled. But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.

Be careful, however, that the exercise of your rights does not become a stumbling block to the weak. 10 For if someone with a weak conscience sees you, with all your knowledge, eating in an idol’s temple, won’t that person be emboldened to eat what is sacrificed to idols? 11 So this weak brother or sister, for whom Christ died, is destroyed by your
knowledge. 12 When you sin against them in this way and wound their weak conscience, you sin against
Christ. 13 Therefore, if what I eat causes my brother or sister to fall into sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause them to fall.

Footnotes

  1. 1 Corinthians 8:3 An early manuscript and another ancient witness think they have knowledge do not yet know as they ought to know. But whoever loves truly knows.

Romans 14
New International Version
The Weak and the Strong
14 Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.

One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

10 You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister[a]? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. 11 It is written:

“‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord,
‘every knee will bow before me;
    every tongue will acknowledge God.’”[b]

12 So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God.

13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister. 14 I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean. 15 If your brother or sister is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy someone for whom Christ died. 16 Therefore do not let what you know is good be spoken of as evil. 17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18 because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval.

19 Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. 20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. 21 It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother or sister to fall.
22 So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves. 23 But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.[c]

Footnotes

  1. Romans 14:10 The Greek word for brother or sister (adelphos) refers here to a believer, whether man or woman, as part of God’s family; also in verses 13, 15 and 21.
  2. Romans 14:11 Isaiah 45:23
  3. Romans 14:23 Some manuscripts place 16:25-27 here; others after 15:33.

Your view, as expressed, appears to align with the heart of God! Blessings 🙂

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I was aware of at least some of the biblical admonitions.

Valerie Curren

I’m not surprised as you are so very well informed, biblically & otherwise. Hope you had a nice weekend. I got Some of what I wanted to get done while the guys were gone but now hubby is home from work w/ the crud so gotta play nursie a bit 🙂

We’ll get back around to that other conversation eventually. Hope you have a great week!

PAVACA

May this unfortunate young woman rest in eternal Peace, and may her family somehow find Comfort.

Regarding the REAL RISK of having a stroke after taking ANY of the modRNA COVID-19 “vaccines”, please refer to the following:

One: https://doi.org/10.1186/s40001-023-00992-0
“A review of neurological side effects of COVID-19 vaccination”
Roya Hosseini and Nayere Askari
Yours Truly: The Abstract of this paper specifically lists FOUR types of stroke associated with taking a modRNA COVID-19 “vaccine”:
ischemic stroke
cerebral venous sinus thrombosis
intracerebral hemorrhage
transient ischemic attack [“mini-stroke”]

Two: https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/5.3.6-postmarketing-experience.pdf
Yours Truly: This is the report that Pfizer-BioNTech gave to the FDA on 30 April 2021, FEWER THAN THREE MONTHS after the agency granted the initial EUA for the company’s “flagship” modRNA COVID-19 “vaccine”, BNT162b2, to be used in the United States.
The Appendix 1. List of Adverse Events of Special Interest that begins on page 30 of the report, lists OVER 1,000 SERIOUS SIDE EFFECTS, INCLUDING DEATH, reported after people began taking this “vaccine” in December 2020. SEVERAL TYPES OF STROKE are listed.
Therefore, the FDA KNEW, back in April 2021, that the modRNA COVID-19 “vaccines” CAN cause stroke.
However, the “official stance” of the FDA then, and now, is that “the known and potential benefits of the [modRNA COVID-19 “vaccines”] outweigh the known and potential risks.”

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Just say NO.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I think I’ll PASS, thank you most kindly.

Brave and Free

So how do we know if it works then? How many people now never get cancer? Seems like the odds are in his favor claiming it works……..

kalbokalbs

100% success rate.

mRNA technology assures it Is Safe AND Effective preventing tumors.

Dumb bastards taking the mRNA Injections will die of other mRNA Injection induced maladies.

BTW, this smug creep is the godfather of mRNA vaccines?
True or NOT, Perfect reason to NOT trust him.

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Cuppa Covfefe

mRNA technology assures it Is UNSafe BUT Effective causing tumors.”

There…FIFY 🙂


kalbokalbs

🙂

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

“I can guarantee that if you take this shot, you will not come down with cancer 20 years down the road.”

pgroup2

Guy walks up to a kid in a park who is tearing off bits of paper and throwing them in the pond. Guy asks, why are you doing that?

Kid says, it keeps the elephants away.

Guy says, there are no elephants around here.

Kid says, see? it works.

Cuppa Covfefe

More ODDfather than godfather…

pgroup2

The Bathrobe Don.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Do masks cause COVID? No – put it’s close to the truth.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

kalbokalbs

Hilarious. Sadly, Jabbed fools wear the Jabs as a badge of courage.

Earning them the Pricks Award. Karen’s wear with pride.

  :wpds_arrow:  Pricks award, Bullshit Bingo remade.   :wpds_razz: 

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

This includes a fascinating video on the top of Mt. Everest, but also a picture of a deceased climber whose body serves as a landmark on the path to the top.

Mount Everest Including Body of Dead Climber

kalbokalbs

Incredible views!

para59r

From the tweets.
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Another says that one of the oldest bodies with white skin is from 1924.

yeah, no thanks…

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

1924 would be George Mallory or Andrew Irvine, who tried to be the first to make the climb but died in the attempt. The article is VERY long so I don’t have everything, but apparently Mallory’s body was discovered in 1999. AFAIK, we still can’t determine if he actually made it to the top (i.e., died coming back down, not going up).

Mallory had a pocket Kodak camera, which has never been found. If found, it’s just barely possible the film could be developed and–if summit pictures are on the film–establish that Mallory and Irvine made it.

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

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Aubergine

I love to read about those crazy enough to do stuff like climb Everest, or other dangerous mountains, but I would never do it myself. Into Thin Air was one of my favorites.

Valerie Curren

My aunt & uncle climbed mountains all around the world. One time they had to traverse an ice chimney & one saw the other one fall from near the top. Thankfully the safety ropes held so they didn’t get too hurt, or killed, but it about gave the other one a heart attack to witness–yikes!

Aubergine

SCARY!

Valerie Curren

Yes!

pat frederick

EXACTLY! they can’t tell you…because countries like China and India are NOT reducing their carbon footprints.

pgroup2

They can’t tell you because they all saw Snowpiercer [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowpiercer] and they know they’re causing a disaster.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

WOW. Fascinating.

pat frederick

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

GUIDE TO WOKE GENDER

(ages may vary locally – check with your local communist officials)

Ages 0-9 – “My gender is what crazy woke mommy thinks I am.”

Ages 10-14 – “My gender is what purple-haired teacher thinks I am.”

Ages 15-21 – “My gender is what my same-sex friends have chosen.”

Ages 22 up – “My gender is what gives me the most perverted pleasure.”

Valerie Curren

Ka-Boom!

Aubergine

Truer words never written.

pat frederick

President Trump would have to be loony to appoint him

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I nominate Kevin McCarthy to scrub used septic tanks clean.

pat frederick

in congress…

para59r

That would be congress and he had that job and failed miserably. Better he start small at Burger King or McDonalds and then he can get back with us.

pat frederick

i disagree…all the biggest shits are in congress…lol
those septic tanks need cleaning–deep and often

Barb Meier

Snakes don’t have hands, no less opposable thumbs. A zoo display perhaps?

pgroup2

Shut up with your realistic POV. You’re spoiling our mental food fight.  😍 

Barb Meier

  :wpds_lol: 

pgroup2

Delusion Rules!!! Cognitive Dissonance is a blessed state of mind!!!

[aren’t you glad you’re MAGA and not as stupid as this?]

pat frederick
kalbokalbs

Pretty cool. 🙂

pat frederick

i also had an innovative Dad…he was the best!

kalbokalbs

Trump Rally…:-) Slow Guy will be there.   :wpds_smile: 

  :wpds_arrow:  Sun, December 17, 2023. 02:00 pm (US/Pacific). Doors Open: 11:00 am.

  :wpds_arrow:  Reno Sparks Convention Center. 4590 S. Virginia Street. Reno, NV 89502

pat frederick

can’t wait to read your impressions!

kalbokalbs

It’ll be great.

Another, benefit of wearing a Trump hat.

Yesterday, learned of this Trump rally from the realtor, son is working with.

Seeing my Trump hat, she excitedly told me, she had her tickets for the Trump Rally, next week.

Me. Huh? Wut? When? Where?

Come to find out she has never been to a Trump Rally.

All of this, a pleasant surprise for me.

Valerie Curren

That’s Wonderful!!!

pgroup2

She is definitely in line for a treat.

kalbokalbs

I see wut ya did ther.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

LOL! That passed me right by! WHOOSH! LOL.

PAVACA

kalbo
Wow! Please update when you can! Be safe out there.

kalbokalbs

Thanks. I will be safe. Trump Rallies ARE the friendliest events around. Folks in lines waiting are chatty AND friendly. Problem fools Will stick out.

Always lots of security. SS, local LE and hired security. Latter appear prior military AND Very Physically Fit.

Best I can tell, Antifa AND BLM have not been reactivated. (Yet.)

All that said. Head always on a swivel these days. Thanks again.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Excellent! The Qth of December, too!

pat frederick

https://www.westernjournal.com/squatter-granted-ownership-old-mans-house-sells-half-million-elder-lives-paltry-pension/

kalbokalbs

Sad reality AND another indictment of our screwed up USG. ~Eighteen minutes.

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pgroup2

Simple solution – no more money and/or weapons until Lira is on US soil. And not just in the embassy in Kiev.

kalbokalbs

Nah. NOTHING for Ukraine. Full Stop.

Demand Lira be released. USG could get it done, IF USG wanted it to happen.

pgroup2

Nobody said give money if he’s released. I said nothing until he’s here.

Then it’s thumbs in the ears, wiggling fingers and saying neener neener neener – no cash for you.

pat frederick

this is from tcth…and no link was provided

Black Knight
December 10, 2023 8:37 am

Breaking on TGP:
The Administration through Anthony Blinken just sold Israel $105M of munitions WITHOUT Congressional approval.
“The United States is committed to the security of Israel …” but not our own border.
Tell me again who is running out government.

Brave and Free

The guy who lives up the street…….

barkerjim

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kalbokalbs

Looking forward to Tucker Schroyer interview.

pat frederick

Val1
December 10, 2023 9:14 am

BE CAREFUL BUYING GIFT CARDS
….
“[The] …. part of a scam that tampered with gift cards, scanned the bar code and stole money from the gift card as money was loaded on them. Victims are completely unaware it is happening, and the money is often siphoned to an offshore account within seconds. Their investigation revealed that the operation spanned across California and several regions nationwide,” a press release stated.
After the tampered gift cards were returned to shelves, unsuspecting shoppers would then purchase one of the cards and load funds onto it. The money, however, would immediately transfer to a bank account, in this case likely a Chinese bank account, Gandhi said.
“It’s going to go unreported because are you going to confront somebody who gave you a $0 gift card? No, that’s rude. And then you’re sitting there fat, dumb and happy, thinking, ‘Oh, I did something nice for somebody,’ not knowing that your money’s gone,” he said.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/retail/holiday-shoppers-warned-disturbing-gift-card-scam-likely-padding-chinese-bank-accounts

kalbokalbs

Very rarely give gift cards.

When I do. I scan the card, knowing it has not been tampered.Then scotch tape the register tape reflecting amount paid AND card number, onto the card.
When traveling I do carry gift cards for restaurants. Usually get 4X point towards gas discounts, with Smiths/Frys/Kroger/Fred Meyer.

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Valerie Curren

We had a $50 gift card given to us a while back, MI doesn’t allow them to expire (one of the few things the state seems to be doing right). Well our 30th anniversary hit in the midst of Michael’s trucking school adventures when we’d been without income for months so we decided to use the card for a nice dinner out to a fancier place than we’d normally eat at. At the end of the meal we presented the card only to discover that all the funds had been used, somehow, by someone in Georgia! We have zero idea how that happened for that card was surely purchased by my mom in Michigan sometime back, likely in a Krogers or Wal-Mart…So much for a mostly “free” meal  🙄 

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

WOW. Gotta check those cards. This is a real problem.

Valerie Curren

yes 🙁

itswoot

Naw….could it be???

Is it possible that the idea that grew into the Fox News Network had its beginning in a cartoon?

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(fun and frivolity)

itswoot

Good times for the foxes on the coatails of the success of Fox News.

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itswoot

Jesus replied, “Foxes have dens and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head.”

Matthew 8:20 (NIV)

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

LOVE IT!!!

eilert

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Absolutely hilarious!

TradeBait2

Enjoy and know.

It’s on, the battle is raging, let’s do this.

Change the world.

para59r

That’s a winner! 👍😁👍

pgroup2

Anne Wilson is a leftist. Maybe even a commie.

The more you know …

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cthulhu

I was thinking it was going to be Anne Wilson of Anne & Nancy Wilson (AKA Heart). This one’s younger. Are we sure this one is a leftist?

pgroup2

Me wrong. Me sorry.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy
pgroup2

Uh … nevermind.  😫 

TradeBait2

Try again.

Ann Wilson is a 73 year old leftist rocker from Cali.

Anne Wilson is a 21 year old Christian singer songwriter from Lexington, Kentucky.

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duchess01

PRAYING ON THE ARMOR OF GOD

Father God, I now follow your command to put on the full armor of God, because my battle is not against flesh and blood but against rulers, authorities, the powers of this dark world and against spiritual forces of evil in the unseen world.

I first pray on the Belt of Truth that it may be buckled around my waist, may I be centered and encircled by your truth dear Lord. Hem me inside all that is true and right, and may I be protected and held up by the truth of your living word, in my Lord Jesus name.

I pray on the Breastplate of righteousness, please protect my vital organs and my inner man, cover my integrity, my spirit, and my soul. Guard my heart for it is the wellspring of life, please strengthen and guard the most vulnerable places in my life with that which is right, good, and noble that I might not receive a fatal blow from the enemy, in my Lord Jesus name.

I pray on the Gospel Shoes of Peace. I choose to stand in the shoes of your good news, and on the firm foundation of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, the solid eternal rock. All other ground is sinking sand, I pray that I will not slip or fall, but that my feet would be firmly fitted on your lordship, my Lord Jesus. I choose to stand on you, so that the peace of God, which transcends all understanding will guard my heart and mind in Christ Jesus, the eternal Rock of Ages. I receive your holy peace now my Lord, from the sole of my feet to the crown of my head, in my Lord Jesus name.

I pray the Shield of Faith into my hand now. As I take up the shield of faith, I ask that you might extinguish every dart and arrow that is launched from the enemy to take me down spiritually, physically, mentally, emotionally, and every attempt of the enemy to destroy my joy. I ask that my faith in you would make it flame out. Extinguish every flaming arrow that would come against me, my life, my family, my home, or my ministry. May my faith always be out in front of me like a shield. Give me the courage to “faith my fears” by choosing to walk by faith and not by sight, in my Lord Jesus name.

I pray on the Helmet of Salvation, that you might protect my mind from the thoughts that can lead me astray. I choose to take every thought captive, and arrest all intentioned ideas and motives that would harm others, or distract me from your holy will for me. I submit every captured thought to the Lordship of my Lord Jesus Christ, and ask that you would imprison those thoughts that are not of you my Lord. Transform my mind and renew my thinking that I may think God thoughts, and have a sober mind that is focused on your glory. Please protect me from being double minded that I may allow my mind, I reject to live an earthly life, because I choose to live a holy one, governed by you My Lord Jesus, the prince of peace, please have my mind to be saturated with the holy mind of Christ, in my Lord Jesus name.

Finally, I take up the Sword of the Spirit which is the holy word of God, I pray this powerful offensive weapon into my hand, and ask that your holy word would be fitting for every encounter I face. As the enemy gets close to me, please give me the insight, wisdom, and skill to wield the word of God to drive away the enemy, in my Lord Jesus name.

May the enemy and his team flee from me, upon hearing the word of God spoken by the power and direction of the Holy Spirit. Give me the sword of the spirit to cut through the wiles of the devil, so that I may discern the schemes of the enemy when he is near.

With all kinds of prayers, supplication, and intercession I pray to you my Lord God as the one who fights my battles. Now that I’m in your holy powerful armor, I walk away covered and ready to face my day as you go before me, and please protect me in the midst of the spiritual warfare in this unseen world, in my Lord Jesus name.

Thank you my Lord, for the spiritual weapons of armor and prayer that you have given me. It is written no weapon formed against me shall prosper, and you will refute every tongue that accuses me. 

Thank you Father God, my Lord Jesus and the Holy Spirit, that I am more than a conqueror in my Lord Jesus. I pray all of this in the mighty name of my Lord God and Savior Jesus Christ, Amen.

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duchess01

BE MY VOICE

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JESUS LOVES THE LITTLE CHILDREN

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CHILD NOT CHOICE

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duchess01

PLEASE PRAY FOR ONE ANOTHER’

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PAVACA

duchess01
Thank you for these. Prayers ongoing for you here and at Marica’s blog. Be well.

pat frederick

we’ll see…won’t we??? EVENTUALLY? MAYBE?
Halley
December 10, 2023 10:25 am
President Trump has said “I caught them all!” and “Do not worry!” and in September stated that the White Hats would be back in control of DC “in less than 5 months”. Dr. Jan Halper-Hayes has claimed – with President Trump’s authentication! – that Space Force has the “real numbers” on the 2020 election Coup – “They’ve got the goods”. These are not statements from the Land of Hopium. They are all the actual Hope we have. I’m in.

pgroup2

Hey Halley – can we get some links for ‘actual Hope’ thingies? Sure would help.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

OK…So that means by the end of February.

I will promise to eat a gigantic helping of delicious crow if this happens.

If YOU will promise to stop listening to this stuff if it does NOT happen.

kalbokalbs

Listen to wut stuff?

(Yea, not intended for Slow Guy.) 🙂

pat frederick

hmmmmm…you’re mis-hopiuming me…how dare you!
giggle

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yup!

WE REPORT – YOU DERIDE.

That’s how we do it here! 😉

Cuppa Covfefe

That deserves a knock-knock 🙂

Knock, knock…

Who’s there?

Deride…

Deride who?

Deride is here, don’t be late 😀

.
hmmmm…
.

Knock, knock…

Who’s there?

Oscillate…

Oscillate who?

Oscillate I almost missed deride 😆

TheseTruths

My reaction about that (and people are free to scroll on if not interested or if they need pure hopium today):

1.Regarding the White Hats getting back in control, did PDJT say that, in those words? If so, where and when, and what was the context? If he did say that, was it in a hypothetical way? I don’t remember his ever stating something so positively, with a specific date, that he does not have control of, except to say we will win the election, which is positive rhetoric that politicians use.

Trump does not have control over who is in control of D.C. That is very important to acknowledge.

2.I have a negative impression of Dr. Jan Halper-Hayes but don’t remember details, so my next step would be to do a search on her, or even for something like “debunk Dr. Jan-Halper-Hayes.” Even if it leads to info about the Left unfairly criticizing her, that could be instructive.
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One search item that came up was this:

Trump’s a ‘Pig,’ But So Are Many Other Men, Says Female Trump …

Jan 13, 2017  Trump is ‘not the only pig’ in politics or other arenas, and women shouldn’t ‘underestimate’ him, said DrJan Halper-Hayes.

I would never call someone I supported a pig. That was in 2017, so maybe she has changed since then. More research required.

3.She said some positive things about Trump, and I think that’s why he focused on her the one time that I remember it happening. If she is a crackpot, he might not have realized it. (More research necessary.) If she is a reliable ally whose voice would be an asset to his campaign, why haven’t we heard any more from her?

4.I take every statement like “They’ve got the goods” with a grain of salt. They might have valuable information and evidence, but will it be the key to getting the country back? Will it be able to bypass a corrupt legal system? Could such information be used to wake enough people up to override the system? We don’t know. Is Trump omnipotent? We do know the answer to that.

I do have hope. I believe Trump and his team are doing a lot of things that we know nothing about and that they are uniquely positioned to succeed in this fight. But I don’t trust people on the internet who declare things to be true based on “evidence” that is merely supposition.

pat frederick

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Valerie Curren

Looks like a lot of trigger discipline too 🙂

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

The christmas tree reminded me of an ad looping on the monitor at one of the local gun ranges. Woman hears a thump in the middle of the night, grabs her AR-15 (I approve) and confronts…Santa Claus, who with hands trembling with fear holds out the present he’s delivering…another AR. She’s delighted and gives him a hug. Happy ending.

Valerie Curren

 😍 

singingsoul1

A discussion to contemplate and well worth it.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

My take (very similar) – the elites pushed internationalism into globalism, which got humanity WAY out over its skis.

singingsoul1

Yes and we have an idea who is behind this. Greedy self important people playing god. I used to think they have big egos but come to think they are insecure and hate themselves. Soro is an example . Gates is another one Obama and so on. They project there self hate on rest of humanity.
the sad thing is there geed for money made there psychopathic behavior possible.

singingsoul1

Those who were left and have discernment see clearly and have come to our site. This is infecting them and is a wake up call.

pat frederick

H/T Filly

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I love that counterattack – ALL JOURNOS ARE BASTARDS!!!

Brave and Free

Well this hopefully will spread some sunshine from the sunshine state.
DNA fragments in the vaccine.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/12/developing-floridas-surgeon-general-joseph-ladapo-confirms-detection/

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Good stuff. NOW is the time to take down these insane shots, IMO.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Aubergine

The snowball has started its run down the hill, I think.

I believe I am just going to stay the hell out of the way.

D5?

pat frederick
pgroup2

An albatross – exactly right. And it’s a really dead one.

Stinkin’ to high heaven, as the phrase goes.

Cuppa Covfefe

And a dead parrot or two…

pat frederick

President reverses course…will NOT testify tomorrow
FTA
Former President Donald Trump was expected to take the witness stand Monday in New York to testify in his own defense against allegations that his family and his business engaged in fraud, but he reversed course Sunday, saying that he will not testify.

Trump said in a Truth Social post that he won’t take the stand again because he has already testified and has nothing more to say on the matter other than that the whole trial is an attempt at election interference.

Trump was expected to testify for the third time on Monday for his own legal team to question him before the roughly two-month trial concludes, according to The Hill.

“We’ve done nothing wrong,” Trump said last week before he entered the courtroom for the trial.

https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/trump-give-final-defense-witness-stand-new-york-fraud-trial

pat frederick

nothing to see here…

Pelosi’s Stock Portfolio Grows by 50 Percent in Single Year

https://conservativebrief.com/pelosi-in-79281/

pat frederick

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PAVACA

Ed Dowd brings the goods, again:

scott467

“Shouldn’t we, as a minimum, make a determined effort to follow His teaching and example in our own lives to our perceived enemies?”

_____________

Well this is a great question, because the obvious answer is ‘yes’, without context.

When context is added, the answer does not seem so obvious, and it is this ambiguity that is a cause of immense consternation.

Is there a difference between ‘justice’ and ‘revenge’? Are those words synonyms, or do they mean different things?

Because I perceive a strong tendency to treat the very legitimate and necessary need for ‘justice’ as if it was ‘revenge’, and then to condemn said ‘revenge’, when in fact, what is actually being condemned is ‘justice’.

This linguistic sleight of hand, which I think is often unintentional, always leads to the victim enabling the abuser, so that the cycle of abuse never ceases.

It causes those who seek to follow the teachings of Christ to offer forgiveness to those who have not asked to be forgiven, and worse, who have not even ceased their criminal and/or abusive conduct.

Is that what God wants?

If it isn’t, then we need to reexamine what ‘justice’ and ‘revenge’ mean, and whether we are confusing those terms.

That’s one issue.

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If ‘justice’ and ‘revenge’ are in fact different words with different meanings, then the second issue is how should justice be obtained?

Ideally, the individual does not carry out ‘justice’ personally, making himself “judge, jury and executioner” so to speak, which could (although not necessarily) be seen as taking ‘revenge’.

Ideally, an uninvolved third party with proper authority examines the facts, renders judgment, and carries out the punishment, if justice demands it. In most cases, this would be the government, i.e., ‘higher powers’:

……………..
“Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. [2] Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.” (Romans 13:1-2, KJV)
……………..

Does this mean that Hitler was ordained of God, and that no one should have tried to stop him? Or does the reference to ‘higher powers’ (i.e., civil authority) mean those who are doing their jobs to the best of their ability?

Does context matter?

If the ‘higher powers’ are wholly corrupt, are we to turn the other cheek and meekly walk into the gas chamber, holding the door for our children or parents, or into the vaxx office, without resistance, going to our own deaths?

Or do we have a Christian duty and obligation to defend our loved ones, and to defend ourselves, if need be?

If someone is trying to murder us, should we be an accomplice to their sin? Or should we resist?

The next part of the passage:

……………..
“For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:” (Romans 13:3, KJV)
……………..

Okay, now we have more context. Clearly the ‘higher powers’, the ‘rulers’ in question, are not Hitler, because the rulers in question are not a ‘terror to good works’ (as Hitler was), but to evil.

Evil is not a terror to itself, so again, the ‘higher powers’ referenced are those who, at the least, are trying to properly carry out their tasks as a civil authority.

Next:

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“For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.” (Romans 13:4, KJV)
……………..

So it is supposed to be the ‘higher powers’, the civil authority, acting righteously as the ‘ministers of God’, who carry out ‘revenge’ against evil doers.

Clearly Hitler (or Mao, or Stalin, or Hussein, or the Brandon Crime Family) is NOT a ‘minister of God to thee for good’.

They were and are openly evil.

So it would be a corruption to consider them as ‘minsters of God’, or to suppose that they do God’s will, as they rape and murder and plunder the world, creating war and famine and disease and destruction everywhere they turn.

So what are we to do, if the ‘higher powers’ are become wholly corrupt and evil, such that not only is justice an impossibility, but the corrupt higher powers use their (stolen) power to inflict injustice and wickedness upon the innocent?

Are we to turn the other cheek and rely on the ‘higher powers’ to do justice, when it is the ‘higher powers’ themselves who are not only ‘unjust’, but openly and viciously evil?

Does ‘turning the other cheek’, in context, mean that we should not resist a mugger or strong-arm robber, allowing them to murder us or our family? Or do we have a duty and obligation to protect and defend?

If the robber is a criminal, rogue, renegade, illegitimate government, what then?

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Finally, there is a third issue which is almost never addressed.

It may not be so in other countries, but in America, We the People ARE the ‘higher powers’, and do recall that it certainly appears God blessed that outcome.

We the People fought a war for Independence against a tyrannical king, and it certainly appears that God blessed those efforts, for they would not have succeeded otherwise.

In turn, We the People, having won our freedom and independence, created the Constitution.

In turn, the Constitution created the government, i.e., the aforementioned ‘higher powers’, who, at least in America, only rule by the consent of the governed.

By the consent of We the People.

If those to whom We the People have consented to govern us have become wicked and corrupt beyond the wildest dreams of George the 3rd, what does the Declaration of Independence declare the duty and obligation of We the People to be?

………………
“But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”
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Are we shirking that duty, and if so, how long have we been shirking it, and shouldn’t we stop shirking it?

As Christian Americans as well as non-Christian Americans, what is the proper thing to do about this situation?

If We the People are ultimately the highest lawful and rightful ‘higher powers’ in America, do we not then have a duty and obligation — not only to our Founding Fathers, but more importantly to God — to execute wrath upon them who doeth evil, when those whom We the People have entrusted and elected to govern us have become those who do evil?

If not, why not?

pgroup2

Why not? Because it isn’t bad enough yet.

As I always say – the beatings will continue until morale improves.

Our collective morale has not yet improved enough.

Aubergine

You are spot on. When it is bad enough, it will end. Consent of the governed will be withdrawn.

scott467

I’ll believe it when I see it.

Valerie Curren

There is no current “consent of the governed” since the fraudministration was NOT legitimately voted in so does NOT reflect the will of the people, fwiw…

Aubergine

People have not withdrawn their consent in any meaningful way. The truckers still deliver the groceries, postmen still deliver the mail. Mechanics are still repairing the cars, plumbers are still fixing the toilets.

We are consenting to their rule every day.

Valerie Curren

OK fair enough though many of us in fly-over country probably wonder how slitting our own throats (as in stop working so we lose the minimal paychecks that we live by paycheck to paycheck) will overthrow the tyranny 🙁 It seems we’d sink our own ship & do absolutely Nothing to theirs…that is of course unless there is a Massive, Nation-wide strike–which I believe you’ve been calling for for quite a while now!

If such a Strike does happen it would probably be more doable in warmer weather so people have better survival options, fwiw…

Aubergine

I would agree with your last statement, for sure. Timing is a factor for success.

Valerie Curren

Thank you for sharing this!

Brave and Free

According to the study, one in four people who received a Covid mRNA injection suffered an “unintended immune response.”

More CYA?

https://slaynews.com/news/25-vaxxed-have-vaids-cambridge-scientists-warn/

PAVACA

Brave and Free
Thank you for bringing this.
Unfortunately, it appears that the study cited in The Telegraph (via the Slay News article) repeats the official medical establishment mantra that the modRNA COVID-19 “vaccines” are “safe and effective”, that these “vaccines” have “saved” billions of people from bad infections of COVID-19, and that “only” 25%–30% of “vaccinated” people get VAIDS (meaning that, while it’s too bad that these people are ill, it’s an “acceptable percentage.”)

Brave and Free

That was my take on it, everything is acceptable as long we keep giving the vaccine.

kalbokalbs

They can NOT give the Injection, IF folks do NOT get the Injection.

Aubergine

So, for a virus that kills .002% of the people who get it, it’s acceptable to kill the immune system of 25-30% of vaccinees.

These people are literally INSANE with greed.

kalbokalbs

Moar calls to congress critters needed…

Mike Johnson has gone over to the dark side. Nothing new I suppose. Likely been there decades.

GWP

Joe Biden and Speaker Johnson to Meet Volodymyr Zelensky at White House Tuesday Amid Push for Increased Congressional Aid for Ukraine

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/12/joe-biden-invites-volodymyr-zelensky-white-house-tuesday/

TradeBait2

Disappointing.

kalbokalbs

Yea. I thought we hit a Grand Slam with Johnson. Hope it is so. We’ll see in a day or two. I’ll be calling my Congress Critter daily.

Cuppa Covfefe

Maybe you should call him something else 🙂

Might motivate him to do something…

Aubergine

I expect NOTHING from anyone in government, so I am never disappointed. It sucks, but that’s the way it is.

kalbokalbs

Vivek, No sense of awareness.

GWP

Hot Mic Catches Vivek Ramaswamy Peeing During Livestream on X Spaces with Elon Musk (AUDIO)
A hot mic caught Republican presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy using the bathroom during a livestream with Elon Musk.

Vivek Ramaswamy forgot to mute his phone when he took a break to use the bathroom during a livestream on X Spaces with Elon Musk, Alex Jones and others.

“Someone’s got their thing open peeing. Someone’s got their phone open in the bathroom,” Alex Jones said.

The host told Vivek Ramaswamy to mute his phone.

“Well, I hope you feel better,” Elon Musk said to Ramaswamy.

Vivek responded, “I feel great, thank you! Sorry about that, guys!”

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/12/hot-mic-catches-vivek-ramaswamy-peeing-during-livestream/

TradeBait2

Swarmy just being swarmy.

pgroup2

Didn’t Leslie Neilson do that in one of the Airplane movies?

Vivek was just trying to be cute.

TradeBait2

🤣

Our daughter wore an Easy Listening headset in first grade after being diagnosed with central auditory processing disorder. It would reduce background noise and isolate the teacher’s voice who wore a microphone in class. One day the teacher forgot to turn it off when she went to the restroom. You can imagine how excited our 6 year old got telling us about it when she got home that day.

Stuff happens.

pgroup2

ROTFLMAO.

Valerie Curren

LOL our son Josiah also had “sound field technology” that enabled him to hear the teacher better & reduce distractions in early grades. He would have LOVED to have had your daughter’s experience & if he had we’d Still be hearing about it regularly, even 2 decades later, via the gift of autism  😂 

Valerie Curren

Naked Gun, LOL