Dear KMAG: 20190703 Open Topic

This WE LOVE OUR FLAG WEDNESDAY open thread is VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA KAG! KMAG world (KMAG being a bit of both).

WE LOVE OUR FLOTUS TOO

You can say what you want, comment on what other people said, and so on.

Free Speech is practiced here. ENJOY IT. Use it or lose it.

Keep it SOMEWHAT civil. They tried to FORCE fake Orwellian civility on us. In response, we CHOOSE true civility to defend our precious FREEDOM from THEM.

Our rules began with the civility of the Old Treehouse, later to become the Wolverinian Empire, and one might say that we have RESTORED THE OLD REPUBLIC – the early high-interaction model of the Treehouse – except of course that Q discussion is not only allowed but encouraged, and speech is considerably freer in other ways. Please feel free to argue and disagree with the board owner, as nicely as possible.

Please also consider the Important Guidelines, outlined here in the January 1st open thread. Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven.


And what do we want to be able to tell our VSG?

I AM PRAYING FOR YOU!


AND WHAT TIME IS IT?

TIME TO….

DRAIN THE SWAMP

Our movement

Is about replacing

A failed

And CORRUPT

Political establishment

With a new government controlled

By you, the American People.

Candidate Donald J. Trump

Also remember Wheatie’s Rules:

  1. No food fights.
  2. No running with scissors.
  3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.

BETSY ROSS FLAG

Forget about Nike! Thanks to their silly flag flap, I’m excited about the Betsy Ross Flag!

The “circle” of 13 stars is actually a “tridecagon”, or a “triskaidecagon”, or a 13-gon.

Here is how you make one, shown as an animated GIF image:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/52/01-Triskaidecagon-Animation.gif

The 13 stars can also be arranged in a Star of David, like this:

http://www.rareflags.com/images/RareFlags_IAS_00251.jpg
STARS AND STRIPES OF DAVID

Here is a great site, showing all kinds of rare 13-star American flags:

http://www.rareflags.com/RareFlags_Collecting_13_Gallery.htm

SOME PEOPLE – (who might be weird Hollywood pedovore creepy types) – may worry about the American flag, but not THIS HERE WOLF.

He will be WAVING HIS FLAG in just one more day, on the 4th of July.

We will be having a BIG SHINDIG here, so don’t you miss it!

And GOD BLESS these UNITED STATES of AMERICA!

W

KEEPIN’ THE FAITH
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Gudthots

God BLESS America!!!

Gudthots

Oh, and Parler wants to help us with some tips on maintaining a quality feed on their platform…
https://youtu.be/22bJ5Dxo3PQ

GA/FL

THAT is refreshing and a relief!

rayzorbak

I just signed up and followed you 🙂

GA/FL

Here is President Trump’s schedule tomorrow:
President Trump’s schedule for 7/3/19
12:00 PM Receives intelligence briefing – Oval Office
12:45 PM Lunch with the Secretary of State – Private Dining Room
As we have seen hints over the last 12-18 hours – a lot is going on before and after those two sentences.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

This was probably the most commonly used 13 star pattern:comment image
Congress did not specify the arrangement of the stars until, I think, sometime in the early 1900s.

GA/FL

Fascinating to read about the early flags. It is said the Washington family coat of arms was the inspiration for our national flag’s motifs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_the_Washington_family

GA/FL

“Flag Day is now observed on June 14 of each year. While scholars still argue about this, tradition holds that the new flag was first hoisted in June 1777 by the Continental Army at the Middlebrook encampment.
The first official U.S. flag flown during battle was on August 3, 1777, at Fort Schuyler (Fort Stanwix) during the Siege of Fort Stanwix. Massachusetts reinforcements brought news of the adoption by Congress of the official flag to Fort Schuyler. Soldiers cut up their shirts to make the white stripes; scarlet material to form the red was secured from red flannel petticoats of officers’ wives, while material for the blue union was secured from Capt. Abraham Swartwout’s blue cloth coat. A voucher is extant that Capt. Swartwout of Dutchess County was paid by Congress for his coat for the flag.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_United_States#First_flag

Marica

Cool GA!! That’s my birthday!!!!

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I knew I flew the flag for a reason that day. 😀

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Um, assuming you meant June 14th, not August 3rd.

Marica

Thanks Patriot!!

Cuppa Covfefe

WOW! Marica, you’re looking pretty good for 241 🙂
(ducks flying flags, flagpoles, and exclamation points 🙂 )…..

Marica

Lol!!!!!!!!!!😂😂

nikkichico7

… AND … I thinks it’s President Trump’s too‼️‼️🤨👍❤️‼️‼️
Good job Marcia, …. good job 😉🤚 …. you knew how to do it right off the bat ‼️

nikkichico7

Wow 😮👍 … this is wonderful information … TY GA/FL ….. awesome AND COOL 😎👍❤️🇺🇸❤️‼️

gil00

How about some fun 4th jokes for the kids? 👼👼👼👦👧👦👧
4th of July Jokes for Independence Day
Q: What’s red, white, blue and a little green?
A: Uncle Sam when he’s sea sick.
Q: What do you eat on the 5th of July?
A: Independence Day old macaroni salad.
Q: How do Americans spend 4th of July weekend?
A: Stuck in traffic.
Q: What kind of tea did the American colonists really want?
A: Liberty.
Q: What’s the difference between Donald Duck and George Washington?
A: Donald Duck has a bill on his face while Washington has his face on a bill.
Q: What quacks, has a bill and shouldn’t be trusted?
A: Beneduck Arnold.
Q: How is a person who never gets sick like the United States of America?
A: They both have great constitutions.
Q: Why shouldn’t there be knock-knock jokes on the 4th of July?
A: Because freedom rings.
Q: What’s red, white, black and blue?
A: Uncle Sam after a boxing match.
Q: What do you get if you cross a patriotic American with a small curly-haired dog?
A: Yankee Poodle.
Q: Where was the Declaration of Independence signed?
A: Right at the bottom of the page.
Q: What does the Statue of Liberty stand for?
A: Because she can’t sit down.
Q: Which American colonists told the most riddles?
A: Puns-ylvanians.
Q: What gives birds certain inalienable rights?
A: The Ducklaration of Independence.
Q: What did the American flag say to the other flag?
A: Nothing, it just waved.
More here:
https://funkidsjokes.com/4th-july-jokes/

patfrederick

way cool!! thanks…passing these along to my granddaughter!!

Alison

Because Freedom Rings !!!
Love it, Gil 😊🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

Cuppa Covfefe

Those are great.
What kind of bus can travel across the ocean?
A Columbus…
(from a QUAKER intant oatmeal packet from long ago, when they had jokes on them)…

wheatietoo

All this talk about the Betsy Ross Flag made me flash back on the movie, ‘The Betsy’.
Which was not about our Flag…but about the auto industry, and the quest to make a safe, fuel-efficient car.
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo-wXeKNS1I&w=676&h=380%5D
.
It was a pretty good movie as I recall, made from the Harold Robbins book…and made before Hollywood went full commie.
The themes in the movie — industrial espionage, competing against imports — were as timely then as they are today.

andyocoregon

Speaking of the automobile industry, Lee Iacocca died today (it’s still Tuesday here).
He pioneered many innovations in cars and minivans.
https://abc7news.com/society/lee-iacocca-former-chrysler-ceo-dies-at-the-age-of-94/5375974/

wheatietoo

It was Betsy Ross’s Flag that inspired Francis Scott Key to write ‘The Star Spangled Banner’.
So this may be why Colon Kaperdickwad was making a big stink about it.
😒😠🤬
It’s like a twofer to him…two things he hates:
Our Flag and Our National Anthem.
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duchess01

Easier to knock them over?

Cuppa Covfefe

Wonder if he’s working on that Mozzie flat spot on his head,,,

nikkichico7

…. yeah well …. to heck with them … 🤨👍‼️🇺🇸❤️🇺🇸‼️

BAM

Tomorrow is our wedding anniversary. It’s still the 2 here in the PNW, so that means the 3rd. It’s a standing joke that we always forget our wedding anniversary. My folks used to call us up and remind us, asking did you forget it’s your anniversary? And later our kids would ask us, did you forget your anniversary? There was one year we didn’t forget as we had an open house/ 40th anniversary party. The only reason I know tomorrow is our anniversary is because one daughter is bringing dinner over. She announced Sunday they were bringing dinner over on Wednesday….. and we wondered why? I thought about it and then remembered….. yup, it’s our anniversary. LOL!

patfrederick

Happy Anniversary BAM!

BAM

TY!

CM in TN

Congrats! Our 3rd is on Monday.

pgroup

Aww, how cute – a toddler marriage! 🙂
Congratulations!

patfrederick

Happy Anniversary in advance!

BAM

👍

singingsoul1

BAM
👍
________________________________________________-
Happy Anniversary !

nikkichico7

Awwww … you’re still honey-moon sweetie’s …. here’s to many many more and may they all be wonderful …. 😉🤚❤️‼️

kalbokalbs

Congrats BAM!
Also, 40 years today, July 3rd, for my bride and I. A great 40 years it has been:-)
Not a cliche, I am fortunate beyond words, I am.

BAM

I wouldn’t trade mine for any other! Life’s been interesting, full of challenges at times, but we’re still best friends.

singingsoul1

kalbokalbs
“Congrats BAM!
Also, 40 years today, July 3rd, for my bride and I. A great 40 years it has been:-)
Not a cliche, I am fortunate beyond words, I am.”
_________________________________
Happy Anniversary Kalbo !!!!!
I tell my husband of 53 years how lucky he is to have me 🙂 🙂 🙂

kalbokalbs

He knows he is lucky to have you.
Me thinks it is part of the longevity.

Marica

Happy Anniversary BAM!!!

BAM

👍

nikkichico7

How sweet BAM … and absolutely wonderfully beautiful …. Happy 😃👍 .. Anniversary … and many more ❤️

BAM

👍

nikkichico7

❤️

andyocoregon

You just never know who your neighbors are in those large apartment complexes.
https://katu.com/news/local/dad-chases-intruder-trying-to-get-into-7-year-old-daughters-bedroom

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

The story neglected to mention the axe or meatcleaver he was probably carrying.
(I figure if he had a gun, he wouldn’t chase the guy, he’d let the bullet do the track-and-field part of it.)

smiley2

still interested in what happened yesterday off the Alaska coast ?
updates and recaps here…
REPORT : American Submarine Torpedoed And Sunk Off Alaska Coast
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/report-american-submarine-torpedoed-and-sunk-off-alaska-coast
July 2, 2019
with more to updates on this come tonight…

smiley2

so sorry for that ….last sentence…sheesh…
edit : with more updates on this to come tonight.
🙂

smiley2

comment image
there we go 😀

pgroup

All your updates are belong to us.

smiley2

<3

GA/FL

So far only Hal Turner, Voat, Reddit, etc. are reporting this. Don’t know if any of those are reliable.
Heck, we don’t know if any of the major networks are reliable any more. Even the NYT and the WaPo are promoters of false narratives.

GA/FL

There was a US sub sunk off Alaska during WWII.

kalbokalbs

All sources are suspect these days, except Q Tree. Folks here report and we tend to validate or piddle on faux news.
At this point, not buying into any of this. The Russia sub yesterday was reported at a Russia port in Barents Sea. West of Norway, Sweden, and Finland. No American waters in the area for Russia to get tangled with us.

GA/FL

I think we got took for a ride!
Fox started it with the report that VP’s plane turned around suddenly due to emergency and he was called back to DC.
Hal Turner burned me once before. He’s a purveyor of rumor and such.

GA/FL

Debka File is reporting it: https://www.debka.com/mivzak/urgent-consultations-in-washington-moscow-on-reported-us-russian-submarines-in-firefight/
“First reports reaching DEBKAfile’s military sources say that a US submarine intercepted a Russian nuclear sub in American waters opposite Alaska. The Russian sub escorting the nuclear submarine responded with a Balkan 2000 torpedo and scuttled the US vessel. Urgent consultations in both the White House and the Kremlin were taking place on Tuesday night. US Vice President Mike Pence called off an appearance in New Hampshire after being recalled to Washington for a conference called by President Donald Trump without explanation.
Russian President Vladimir Putin cancelled an engagement and headed for the Kremlin to confer with Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and military chiefs, after learning that 14 submariners died in a fire that broke out on a nuclear-powered “experimental submarine in Russian waters.” This account carried in Russian media varies in most respects from the first reports reaching this site and may refer to a separate incident. They report between 14 and 17 members of an AS-12 nuclear powered submarine died of poisonous fumes caused by a fire aboard the vessel. The submarine was described as experimental and unarmed but often used in spy missions. It is unclear how many of the 25 crew survived. Local media suggest four or five are receiving treatment in Severomorsk’s military hospital for poisoning and concussion injuries. Another news account said the majority of the officers died in or on their way to hospital. These reports do not cite the cause of the fire.”

GA/FL

We had all kinds of ‘reports’ yesterday. Must be like thos ‘sources’ and ‘rumors’ used by the media to engineer their narratives.
The public and the families of men aboard would have been told of a US submarine being sunk.

smiley2

like misdirection…to shelter the indicted maybe ?
could be…
but why post the debka link which says the same thing as the link I posted …and then criticize me for posting it ??

GA/FL

No criticism of you at all. Not a bit. Just trying to find out the real nitty gritty.

smiley2

seems to be shrouded in mystery b/c the vessel itself is shrouded in mystery…at least the vessel with the 14 deaths…
here’s an article by the USNI regarding that incident and that vessel…
https://news.usni.org/2019/07/02/14-sailors-die-on-secretive-russian-nuclear-submarine
UPDATED : 14 Sailors Die On Secretive Russian Nuclear Sub…
July 2, 2019
initial statements coming from Moscow’s Ministry of Defense…but article goes on to describe the vessel.. the Losharik submersible … a “key asset” for the Russian Main Directorate aka GUGI…who reports to GRU …Russian Military Intel (as opposed to the Russian Navy).
the various possible capabilities and purposes are also mentioned…but…nothing’s confirmed, it’s so secretive…
but if you read some of the comments after the article, they can be enlightening.
FWIW

singingsoul1

Russians are never honest when there is an accident in submarines or anything else. They do not want their own people to know nor their adversaries.
We are and open society and I count on it if there is one of our submarines sunk that we know about it.

Deplorable Patriot

FWIW, this appeared this morning. Looks like somebody on one side or the other is putting out disinformation.

kalbokalbs

Faux news. Don’t believe either government is releasing the story.
My thoughts to debunk this, also posted further up…
At this point, not buying into any of this. The Russia sub yesterday was reported at a Russia port in Barents Sea. West of Norway, Sweden, and Finland. No American waters in the area for Russia and US to get into a tangle.
Related to the Russia sub, and not any American sub.
– Historically when any Nation had a sub crisis that may entail an an undersea “rescue”, the US has deep diving submersible we can and have made available to assist in undersea rescue.
– Submersible, equipment, and support personnel lifted by C-5 or C-17 to nearby air/sea port then moved to rescue area for operations.
– While the Navy and DoD would spool up to do this. The President surely apprised and OK the operation. I would not expect the VP schedule to be impacted. He could connect by VTC / TELCON. There would be no threat to the US.
– It’s a humanitarian decision, which we would support.

nikkichico7

smiley this was at the bottom of the article you posted …. if it helps?
UPDATE 7:00 PM EDT —
Despite my inquiries to the Pentagon, Lt. Col. Carla Gleason has failed to respond for several hours. No confirmation. No Denial.
PLEASE NOTE: This will be a story on the Hal Turner Radio Show, LIVE from New York City on Wednesday, July 3, 2019 beginning at 9:00 PM eastern US time (New York City Time) [GMT-0400].
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Donate via Paypal using the yellow DONATE button in the right column above. To access the COVERT INTELLIGENCE, derived from Hal Turner’s intelligence agency contacts developed from his years with the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF) where he was “fully operational National Security” who was also granted “Extra-territorial authority” to operate outside the United States, become a subscriber for $1 a week billed quarterly ($13) HERE

smiley2

hi..thanks…that’s what I was referring to when I said “more updates tonight”…
everybody has an opinion on this but NOBODY knows anything for sure… all just total speculation…there seem to have been 2 separate incidents..
until any confirmation and/or more details are made available, I’m interested in anything that might shed more light on it.
something happened.
and it’s all hush hush.

nikkichico7

Yup .. 🤨🤚❤️

smiley2

a first !
WATCH LIVE : US Celebrates Independence Day–In Jerusalem
For The First Time Ever, US Embassy In Israel Celebrates The Fourth Of July In Jerusalem.
(celebrated on July 2).
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/265395
(video)
🙂

wheatietoo
SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Correct me if I’m wrong, but those aren’t tanks, but rather Bradley Fighting Vehicles (basically, what we use to move infantry).
If they’re actually manned for the festivities, that would actually be even worse news for Antifa than tanks would be.

GA/FL

SENATOR MARTHA BLACKBURN gives that little ninny twit Kaepernick what for!

patfrederick

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GA/FL

Bravo, Pat Frederick – you have revealed their true colors!!!

wheatietoo

GA/FL

Nike introduces new sneaker line that Kaepernick likes.
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1146108628342136838

phoenixRising
phoenixRising
SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

He’s assuming that AOC actually perceives what she claims to perceive and that she isn’t a lying sack of shit.

wheatietoo

Been scouring the Intel twit feeds for anything about a “US submarine” being involved in the event with the Russian submarine…
And so far, nothing.
But this twit feed has some interesting tweets about it:

wheatietoo

Deplorable Patriot

I posted this upthread, but saw this this morning. This group claims to have been around since 1984 and is not affiliated with any government. Not sure what to make of it without more information.

wheatietoo

Thanks, DePat.
Yeah…I have seen similar remarks from other intel-watchers, such as IntelCrab:

Deplorable Patriot

What’s disconcerting, though, is that there has to be SOMETHING going on for this disinformation to be out there.
Not knowing, sometimes, is the hardest part.

kalbokalbs

While there may be something going on, probably is, I absolute am not buying into a US Vs Russia submarine engagement with torpedoes…
All of that is click bait and folks acting like they are in the know making noise.
If we lost a submarine, we’d know it. Factually reported.
Russia sub in Barents Sea, west of Finland.
Bogus reports of US sub sunk by Russsia in American waters. Zero American waters near Finland.

smiley2

re the 14…
a secret expedition …IOW Intelligence
https://www.fontanka.ru/2019/07/02/152/
(in Russian…turn on yr translator…I tried to bookmark it translated to English.. but it might appear in Russian..)

kalbokalbs

Appreciate link. Not smart enough to figure out translator.
Secret expedition…IOW intelligence.
^^^ 100%. Every submarine operation is shrouded in secrecy…including actual classification. If not, Top Secret, SPECAT…
It’s the nature and purpose of a submarines work to operate in that realm…secrecy. Divulge little to know information about submarine operations.
The specific submarine that had a fire a day or so ago, is a specialty sub, deep diving, research (includes spying)…
My belief about this sub fire remains Russian origin – equipment failure or operator error. In time we’ll know. Me thinks.

smiley2

translator box should automatically drop down upper right on yr screen after you’ve clicked on the link and are reading the article.

kalbokalbs

Thanks!

smiley2

this particular had/has superior capabilites and was carrying a lot of very top level men.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Bogus reports of US sub sunk by Russsia in American waters. Zero American waters near Finland.

And how does that disprove it?
Why is everyone thinking the same sub that burned is the one that would have sunk the US sub?
Two SEPARATE incidents, assuming that the torpedoing happened. Which I doubt, mind you, but claiming that the burning sub being near Finland disproves it is a logic fail.

smiley2

EXACTLY.

kalbokalbs

Agree.
That said, if we lost a submarine we’d know it in one or more ways, me thinks.
Official announcement, unofficial leaks, and a rescue operation mounted. Rescue operation for possible survivors and recover wreckage.
So, me thinks we’d have reports of Navy deploying P-8, P-3 (including EP-3E), ships, rescue submersible prepped for airlift…
So, the loss of a USN submarine, logically discounted. My logic anyway.
Now, if the CIA has a clandestine sub of sorts, all bets are off. 100% don’t trust CIA.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Those are better arguments against the torpedoed sub story than “but the one that caught on fire was no where near US waters.”
Which I’ve seen used here at least twice today!

kalbokalbs

(Guilty, twice;-)

smiley2

the Russian submersible (as they’re calling it) was no ordinary sub…if you read the link I posted above…

BAM

I’d buy that. Might also explain why things could have been a little tense, with the dis-info floating around, and waiting to see what the Russkies’ reaction would be.
Very interesting if indeed that is what happened, and seeing how it’s being handled by the Russian press and government.

kalbokalbs

Yepper.
Regarding “cat and mouse”, our subs (US & Russian) have been known to “bump into each other in the night”…deep depths of operating waters.
Russia is cloaking it all in Secrecy. Expected. If a USN sub is involved, they’ll also cloak in secrecy if at all possible. Lost submarine information would be released. Loss of American lives, but not the submarine, may or may not be released with actual cause. Significant repairs could also yield a press release of sorts, in time. Perhaps blaming an underwater mountain. USS San Francisco (SSN 711) reportedly hit an underwater mountain years ago with huge damage to the submarine. Me thinks…speculating.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I’m not sure why people are leaping to the conclusion that the (alleged) torpedoing of a US sub near Alaska must have something to do with the Russian nuclear accident. And that showing the Russian sub was nowhere near Alaska is enough by itself to invalidate the torpedoing story.
Because I’m sure the Russians had more than one sub, and I’ll bet they STILL have more than one sub even not counting the one that caught on fire.
(I don’t know whether I believe the torpedoing story, I just know the other story clearly has nothing to do with it.)

patfrederick

if every asylum seeker deserves a bail hearing within so many days, then I suggest Barr start moving all of these activist judges much much closer to the border–starting with this one. Notice it does not say the asylum seekers have to prove credible fear–merely say they have credible fear…what utter nonsense!
FTA:
Judge Marsha Pechman, a Clinton judge in federal court in the commie state of Washington issued a preliminary injunction earlier this year that required asylum seekers who are given a hearing in their proceedings to be released within seven days after that hearing is granted.
The Trump administration had asked her to dismiss that ruling after Barr issued his new asylum order.
Pechman rejected that request Tuesday, ruling that the policy implemented by Barr’s order was “unconstitutional.”
She wrote, “It is the finding of this court that it is unconstitutional to deny these class members a bond hearing while they await a final determination of their asylum request.”
Bloomberg reports that the order mandates immigration judges conduct hearings for all asylum applicants to ask for release on bail within seven days of a request if they have a “credible fear.”
The judge said immigration authorities must demonstrate in these hearings why applicants aren’t being released. The proceedings must be recorded and a written transcript must be made available, according to the ruling.
That’s pretty much everyone piling into the country.
In April, the same judge ruled these [mostly fake] asylum seekers must be given bail hearings.
U.S. Attorney General William Barr immediately and formally prevented asylum seekers from requesting bail hearings. Tuesday’s ruling specifically addresses and prohibits Barr’s policy, which was set to be enforced July 15.
https://www.independentsentinel.com/clinton-judge-overruled-ag-barr-on-bail-hearings-for-asylum-seekers/

patfrederick

sorry the article is from the hill, but the worst part is the comments. they are not discussing the suitability of the law or the imposing of it–the commenters are focused on FLOTUS’s illegal status…WTBF???
FTA:
The Trump administration is considering imposing fines up to $500,000 for immigrants who have been ordered to leave the U.S., NPR reported Tuesday.
NPR obtained a batch of notices sent by the Department of Homeland Security to targeted individuals ordering them to pay fines for “failing to depart the U.S. as previously agreed.”
“It is the intention of ICE to order you pay a fine in the amount of $497,777,” U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officer Lisa Hoechst wrote to Edith Espinal Moreno in a letter dated June 25, 2019, obtained by NPR from Moreno’s lawyers.
The letter comes as President Trump plans to step up ICE raids to deport illegal immigrants after the Fourth of July.
In 2017, Trump signed an executive order that promised the government would begin collection of “all fines and penalties that the Secretary is authorized under the law to assess and collect from aliens unlawfully present in the United States.”
According to the Immigration and Nationality Act, ICE can impose fines “on aliens who have been ordered removed or granted voluntary departure and fail to depart the United States.”
It states fines of no more than $500 for each day the person is in violation of this section.
https://thehill.com/latino/451430-trump-admin-issues-notices-of-500k-fines-for-immigrants-in-us-illegally-npr

patfrederick

I’d rather buy a t shirt than ANYTHING from Nike…and Nine Line is owned by a Veteran–another plus!!
FTA
A veteran-owned apparel company is jumping into the debate over Nike’s reported decision to pull shoes with an early American flag from shelves by offering some harsh criticism and their own shirts with the ‘Betsy Ross flag.’
Nine Line Apparel is a Savannah, Georgia-based company founded by a military veteran Tyler Meritt and his wife in 2012. In response to Nike’s decision and the debate surrounding it, Merritt says his company Nine Line Apparel has released a t-shirt featuring the flag created during the Second Continental Congress to show unity among the original 13 colonies.
https://fox17.com/news/local/veteran-owned-company-calls-for-nike-ban-issues-t-shirt-with-betsy-ross-flag

patfrederick

BWAHAHAHAHA…you can have your stupid balloon–just not helium filled…LOL
FTA:
Code Pink can have the “Baby Trump” blimp on the National Mall for President Trump’s Lincoln Memorial speech on Thursday — just not off the ground and not where Mr. Trump can see it, the group claimed.
According to a Tuesday press release from Code Pink, the National Park Service has granted the left-wing gadflies a demonstration permit.
But it “does not allow the balloon to be filled with any helium, only air, and the permit is not in the location we requested — within line of sight of the Lincoln Memorial where President Trump will be speaking,” the group said.
Without helium, the small blimp of Mr. Trump’s head on a diapered baby’s body cannot rise off the ground.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jul/2/code-pink-baby-trump-blimp-permit-doesnt-allow-hel/

phoenixRising

getting out my teeny tinny violin !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Marica

Getting out my teeny tiny pin to pop it as I walk by…..POP!

duchess01

I have a ‘Hat Pin’ you can use, Marica! 🙂

Cuppa Covfefe

How about a Fourth-of-July sparkler? 🙂
Give the puncture a little staying power,
and celebrate at the same time!

Cuppa Covfefe

Yep. And then it congeals into an amorphous blob, that doesn’t look like either a baby or VSGPDJT, but rather identical to Mad Marxist Maxine Waters… The mouth that roared…

duchess01

An original idea, Cuppa – Tanks!

duchess01

Was that you, wolf – was wondering what that noise was – Hahahaha!

duchess01

I can understand that – but, there are so many examples for comparison form snowflakes – yes?

Cuppa Covfefe

HE-lium?
Heyyyyyyy, that’s sexist 🙂

Cuppa Covfefe

And, not forgetting Z54, Xe, Xenon (Greek xénon, neuter form of xénos ‘strange’) 🙂
Which calls for a song… (comments are funny, too)

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

It’d be a hazard if it broke away and flew off. Imagine if it blew towards Reagan Airport, or into one of its approach/departure patterns.
Correct decision by NPS.
The protesters should be given an opportunity to put it up on a stick or something like that. If nothing else, actual celebrants can moon it that way if they desire.

patfrederick

agreed…logical reason for declining the helium aspect, but they were also desperate to get it into the President’s line of sight and they weren’t given that choice of location…lol…

Cuppa Covfefe

Yep. I think the “protestors” can stick it 🙂

duchess01

Verse of the Day

“For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.”
Romans 8:14 (KJV)

duchess01

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duchess01

Thank You, Jesus, for blessings received and prayers answered!

duchess01

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Tonawanda

From a Free Republic link: https://www.thebostonpilot.com/article.asp?ID=185394
For those interested in this type of thing, the story about finding the bones of St. Peter is a fascinating one (there is a great book by that name, well worth reading). Like all of these types of things, there is interpretation involved, but the facts are very interesting as are the implications, if true.
The story above is about the Catholics giving the bones to the Orthodox, also an interesting event.

Deplorable Patriot

Effing heretic. As if the eastern church isn’t still in schism.
ARGH!
In the larger scheme of things, I know this is not really worth getting hyped up over, but all the little heretical acts are piling up. And because the governments have all become representative bodies rather than the monarchies of the past when kings could put a check on the Church, (hat tip to a Michael Voris video) we’re dealing with wolves in sheeps’ clothing.
Please, Lord, deliver us from Francis. He’s making a big mess.

Deplorable Patriot

Don’t know if anyone saw or posted this, but….
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fbi-investigating-leak-top-secret-air-force-intelligence/story?id=64092279
FBI investigating leak of top-secret Air Force intelligence
The FBI is investigating an Air Force contractor who admitted to printing out and taking home more than 1,000 pages of classified documents marked “top secret,” according to a search warrant application filed in the Southern District of Ohio.
The warrant, first reported about by Forbes, says that the documents were initially discovered in a search of the home of Izaak Vincent Kemp, a contractor at the U.S. Air Force National Air and Space Intelligence Center (NASIC) at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio.

wheatietoo

“…first reported about by Forbes”
__________
Since Forbes is owned by ChiComs now, I’m gonna give that story the side-eye for now.
Maybe this guy, Kemp, was set up?
Someone may be trying to cover their tracks…and they needed a patsy.comment image

Deplorable Patriot

Could be. At this point, anything is possible.

NYGuy

So now we see how the left plans to defeat America First policy. Smear the President, make up phony stories, and attack the Judeo-Christian culture by infiltrating their point of view into consumer product companies.
They are attacking our baseline belief systems and trying to erode our confidence and loyalty to them. This is the final frontier in their efforts that began in the 60s.
Fight back. Abandon consumer products that do not support us.
Oh and no more oreos. Sleazebag company.

wheatietoo

Yikes…and Oreos are Made In Mexico too!
So I was already boycotting them.
😁
Good morning, NYGuy.
🙋 *waves*
It’s good to see you!

NYGuy

Hey wheatie. Hope all is well.

patfrederick

Happy (almost) Fourth of July NYGuy!!
hope you and NYGal are well!!

NYGuy

Thank you Pat. I am spending the 4th in Atlantic City with my son. Watching fireworks over the water.

churchmouse

churchmouse

But, wait, there’s more:

Nutter Butter is new to Twitter. No doubt, we’ll see more of the same in time:
*

patfrederick

good to see you churchmouse!!

churchmouse

Thank you, Pat! Good to be back after a busy weekend.

patfrederick

doesn’t NCTE (forget what the acronym stands for) have something to do with teachers–the idiots who brought us common core?

duchess01

Take your pick, pat…anyway you look at it – the last letter stands for ‘Education’ – Yes?
https://www.allacronyms.com/NCTE

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

It stands for “Endoctrination”
They don’t much care about the spelling, after all.

duchess01

You just could not hep yourself – could you, Steve?

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Nope. 😀

nikkichico7

… 😂👍‼️

nikkichico7

… well …. 🤨 …. they can stuff their cookies and then get stuffed themselves …
https://youtu.be/6GfWyFzEZe0

🦋🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🦋
SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

MOAR DEPORTATIONS!!!!
(Almost as good as a shutdown.)

Cuppa Covfefe

Could that be why the Antifa “shake fest” is planned for the 6th???

wheatietoo

This is not the first time Tanks have been seen in DC:

https://twitter.com/TobyPeters20/status/1146386900112027651

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Most of those aren’t tanks, but Bradleys…(this includes the one Toby Peters says was a tank crossing the Potomac) though there was at least one Abrams in Fred Wellman’s pic.

patfrederick

Iacocca was born in Allentown PA and he owned the Yocco Hot Dog places…awesome hotdogs…from what i remember as a kid…RIP
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/07/02/lee-iacocca-auto-industry-legend-dies-94-chrysler-ford/1635872001/

daughnworks247

Great man. He donated heavily to Lehigh Univ. Gunner considered going there and Iacocca’s name is everywhere. They were the best of American biz men.

patfrederick

in my day LU was lovely and very small townish…then it all changed–scarier and scarier neighborhoods not far from campus…
but i forgot Iacocca is from PA–so now when someone asks I can totally forget Biden is also from PA…lol

wheatietoo

michaelh

To the left it’s ok to beat people over the head as long as it’s done in love and not hate.
Because what matters to the left is intentions, not outcomes
Rimshot 😉

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

The Left is all about sincere intentions.
Want to blow the mind of a not-so-far-out-that-you’d-like-to-punch-him “liberal”? The next time you get into an argument with him, say something like “I see you’re sincere but…” (likely continuation: “what you’re saying is bullshit because…”)
He won’t understand why you’re continuing to argue with him. As far as he is concerned, you’ve conceded the argument because the sincerity is what matters. And he is incapable of imagining that YOU sincerely believe what you do, politically. He’s been taught his entire adult life that the only reason anyone would be a conservative is out of cynical self interest at other peoples’ expense, or the conservative is bought off. Thus the only people who could possibly sincerely believe what they espouse are people on the Left, even including those more radical than he is, but never, under any circumstances including anyone to the right of center politically.

patfrederick

m’kay I will try that…I can fake sincerity with the best of them! 😀

nikkichico7

…. 🧐👍 ….

😃🤚❤️

🦋🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🦋
nikkichico7

😉👍 … 🤨🤚 …. 😃👍❤️‼️‼️

ladypenquin

I can’t lose my belief that Justice Roberts is a compromised Jurist, and for that reason he should step down.
Re: The Census question. SCOTUS’ ruling on the Court not being involved in state gerrymandering – because it’s “political” – he taps the political button by siding with the Leftist ideologue judges on the censorship question.
Demanding to know “intent” is a political subjective move – SCOTUS has no business being concerned about “intent” for asking a perfectly legitimate, Constitutional (which they agreed on 5-4) question on a government form.
SCOTUS made the question Political. SCOTUS job is to determine Constitutionality, not bureaucratic pablum.
I wonder what POTUS knows about Justice Roberts…

NYGuy

He is. We do not have a majority in the Supreme Court. Someone is telling Roberts how to vote. It tells me the left is not done attacking POTUS via circuit courts. Unfortunately, the 9th circuit still has too many whacko judges seated there.

ladypenquin

I know. 🙁 Wish there was some way of forcing Roberts out, but then there is the adage of being careful what you wish for.
I think Roberts is going to be surprised that “History” is going to consider “his” court tainted.

duchess01

Not forced out, lady – FREED – from the blackmailers – imho – heard or read something to this effect – wish I could recall where – then – there is the prophecy – of 5 – IOW – the entire court could be shaken!
Where’s Ruthie? When are they going to roll her out of the deep freeze?

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

That would be the happiest solution.
Of course, we can just wait for another leftist to die or retire, too.

duchess01

Not like that – much worse, Steve – under investigation or scrutiny would be embarrassing – there is more to the court than meets the eye, Steve – imho – so many possibilities – but, we have to wait and see what is uncovered – nobody is squeaky clean – you know –

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

True that. Alas.

Cuppa Covfefe

Could be one of those sealed indictments has his name on it…

ladypenquin

Wouldn’t that be nice. It’s possible that somewhere in all the data being analysed – AG Barr – there might be footprints leading to SCOTUS.

Cuppa Covfefe

IIRC, the Chief Justice of SCOTUS, in this case, John Roberts, is ultimately responsible for the FISA/FISC Court….
Which means that any improprieties occurring on his watch will have to be answered for…

Deplorable Patriot

I wonder what POTUS knows about orders to the troops from the vote thiefs.
This morning, it occurred to me that there are other questions on the census that can work to achieve the same goal. After all, a vote (or census figures) is determined by the people doing the counting.

duchess01

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Well, I’m happy to see that casts the FNC story that aggravated me yesterday into doubt!
As I recall, SCOTUS indicated a different argument on our part could succeed where this one had failed.

duchess01

When the court reconvenes in September, Steve – it will be monumental!

wheatietoo

patfrederick

the left is spinning the glorious “show of a lifetime” as POTUS making it more about himself than the country…losers!

Tonawanda

Found this link on Ace of Spades: https://www.dailywire.com/news/49109/frederica-wilson-people-should-be-prosecuted-ryan-saavedra
As everyone knows, making fun of Congresscriminals is doubleplusungood, and should be prosecuted.

nikkichico7

….. 🤨👍‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️❤️😉🤚‼️‼️‼️‼️ … oh I like this song … 😃

wheatietoo

Let’s hope that this one spins itself out in the open water and never makes it to land:
https://twitter.com/RyanMaue/status/1146250275562414080

nikkichico7

Not of This World
JULY 03, 2019
2 Timothy 3:1-5
1 But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. 2 For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, 4 treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these.
“What is going on in the world?” You’ve probably heard people say this. And as Christians, we sometimes wonder how we are to live in a culture that seems to be on a downhill trajectory ethically. Since Jesus said of His disciples, “They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world” (John 17:16), we can certainly conclude that our lives should look different from unbelievers’ lives.
The darker things become, the more pronounced should be the contrast between our way of life and the world’s. And one of the most obvious differences should be in the area of love. In 2 Timothy 3:1-5, Paul warned that in the last days (a period just before Jesus’ return) mankind would be lovers of self, money, and pleasure rather than of God and others. Such misplaced affection results in arrogance, ungratefulness, unholiness, and all the other tragic descriptions found in this passage. When love becomes distorted, these vices inevitably follow. And today we see the evidence of this all around us, don’t we?
Even the technology that makes life easier is drawing us apart. Face-to-face conversations and phone calls are increasingly being replaced with emails and texts. Everywhere we turn, eyes are looking down at phones rather than seeing the people right in front of them.
The good news is that we can make a difference by intentionally living and loving differently from the world around us. As the Lord told us in Matthew 22:37-40,
37 And He said to him, `YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.’ 38 This is the great and foremost commandment. 39 The second is like it, `YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.’ 40 On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.” the way to fight the lovelessness all around us is by loving God and our neighbors.
intouch.org
Dr. Charles Stanley

note: I’m no longer able to post .. ot … life goes on and may their paths be straight and true … keep your eyes on the prize …
Love and God bless His loved ones ….

mandy

Good to ‘see’ you!

nikkichico7

😎👍❤️‼️‼️‼️ … back at ‘cha sweet Mandy ….. 😃🤚

prairie123

Thank you for sharing this message/devotional, it’s just what I needed to read today. Charles Stanley had some great insights! Sorry to hear you cannot post OT, once I found this site, I have not gone back, not even to read. The Q tree is the better refuge and the company is EXCELLENT.
Hope your day is full of God’s blessings!

nikkichico7

So good to hear prairie123 … ❤️… spread the “good news” ….
… ot … served a purpose at the time when we did not have this awesome Qtree and Wolfmoon 🐺 …. I hope it will be well with their hearts and souls …. it’s a spiritual battle that’s being fought … but always remember … we WON … at the Cross … victory in Jesus … 😉👍❤️‼️‼️

duchess01

Welcome, nikki – so glad you are here – you go girl! We appreciate you! God Bless You!

nikkichico7

I’m so very glad to be here and I’m going to try and behave myself … really really … ❤️
🙂🤚❤️
… and God bless you too sweet duchess01 … ❤️…

duchess01

Read the rules, nikki – Free Speech is celebrated here – look around – great people here who – surprisingly – came from OT, too!

nikkichico7

I’m really happy about that too …
😊🤚❤️❤️
I’m very thankful to Wolfmoon 🐺 .. for doing this … 🙂🤚❤️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️

duchess01

He’s a ‘Peach of a Guy’, nikki – but, don’t tell him I told you that – Alpha Males like eating peaches – they don’t like being peaches – if you get my drift – lol

nikkichico7

…. 😮🤚 …. m’kay … gotcha 😉👍🤫😎

nikkichico7

How can you not like … WOLFMOON 🐺
He’s awesome 🤨👍‼️❤️

duchess01

Absotutalutely, nikki! LOL

nikkichico7

😊👍❤️

nikkichico7

… okay 🙂🤚❤️ …. 🤫 … 😛🤚‼️

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

No longer able to post at the Eeyore Tree?
Their loss. Yet another bullet they’ve pumped into their own feet.
Over Here, allow me to welcome you to the Banned Wagon!

nikkichico7

Thank you SteveInCO …. I’m glad to be here with Wolf’s 🐺 Q clan wwg1wga ..
😉👍❤️🇺🇸❤️‼️

phoenixRising

patfrederick

wish some enterprising journalist followed the money on this. The military industrial people aren’t having much success baiting POTUS into a war they can profit from, so they switched to detention facilities–see who makes the beds, provides the linens, heck even the centers themselves, the toothbrushes, the soap, the food, the clothing, the diapers–they are all profiting from our government HAVING to house these people!!!

daughnworks247

And the 300 million a year to Catholic charities = change in the sermon to advocate for more illegal “immigrants”, and the millions to the Baptists, Lutherans, etc. The Bush/Obama and now Trump Admin have compromised our churches.

nikkichico7

… well …. there will be Hell to pay for what they do and what they have done ….. God is not mocked, and the eternity they’re investing in … will be … hell .. 🤨
It’s just the here and now that so dadgum aggravating … nuts 😡

phoenixRising
patfrederick

hey i like those!!!

prairie123

I have to say too, between Nike and Brooks – Brooks is a better fitting shoe. The last time I wore a pair of Nikes (years ago!!) my feet were pinched and they ached all day. I bought a pair of Brooks in the spring of 2018 and I wore those shoes out!! I like this design more too.
Honestly I feel kind of weird about wearing the Flag, especially on my feet, I feel like it should be more revered and less of a fashion statement, but that’s just me.

kyblue

Nike is facing backlash after pulling the Betsy Ross shoe because Kaepecker whined. This article quotes Rush Limbaugh from his show yesterday.
https://www.wnd.com/2019/07/backlash-nike-pummeled-after-canceling-july-4th-sneakers/?cat_orig=money
Meanwhile, It appears the loony governor of California has endorsed Nike’s decision and makes a pitch for the company to move to the his paradise state…
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2019/07/03/gov-gavin-newsom-says-nike-did-the-right-thing-pulling-those-flag-shoes-pitches-company-to-come-to-california/

patfrederick

well that makes sense…you certainly can’t be wearing sandals in CA anymore!

michaelh

Walking in filth-ridden California cities, what better shoes to wear than Nike when you step in it?

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Crappy shoes, both figuratively and literally!

kyblue

Thank you so much pat for turning my stomach this morning 😋

patfrederick

Tiny Tim is no longer just tiptoeing thru the tulips in CA…

kyblue

Another nauseating image 😉

patfrederick

brought to you by the liberals in CA!

🦋🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🦋

“Kaepecker”, Hee Hee 😁 I like it Blue!

Deplorable Patriot

So, I’m out for my morning stroll and Rosary through the tree lined streets, and a few neighbors actually still pay for the local rag to be delivered. Naturally, the top right corner headline on the StL Post -Disgrace was that the citizenship question would not be on the census.
In a flash, it occurred to me that there are other fields to be filled in (place of birth) that might well be used to compile at least some citizenship information. The reality is that people who are here legally or illegally and vote might well be instructed to lie on that question by their handlers.
I don’t think this is quite the death knell that both sides are claiming.

phoenixRising

Maybe they’ll all be deported by time Census is taken………..
ICE is now stating they will be fining those who stayed after failing to appear in court……….. they should scare some of them back to Central America and Mexico.
[girl can dream, right?]

daughnworks247

Odd ground report:
Gunner’s roommate is working on his senior project. It’s a study of cheating on college campuses. Gunner was telling us about it last night, and the results were shocking. General attitude = Everybody does it, why shouldn’t I do it. Pressure on college students is incredible and the “numbers” now dictate hiring. College students are terrified and worried about their ability to GET a job after graduating. They KNOW how difficult it is (is the problem H1B visas?)
In our day, an interview was far more important. We advance through an interview process to a corporate test – to see if we “fit”. Corps don’t like to spend that kind of money anymore, and much of the process has been streamlined. Therefore, the marketing grad with a 3.7 GPA gets a job – even though he cheated, whereas the marketing grad with a 3.64GPA is passed up — the kid who did it on his own.
Gunner has ratted out a few cheaters in school, but is then shunned and chided as the rat. In the sciences, and particularly with Asian students and the problem of additional pressure from their parents, the problem of cheating, lying, taking out other competitive students, sabotaging their projects, doxxing and slander on social media is rampant.
And the terrifying part……
General feeling of the students — their parents were honorable, did the right thing, and were “effed” in the Crash of 2008. They see their parents as victims, the ones who played fair, followed the rules, and were destroyed. No one went to jail. No one made their parents whole. The bad guys got away with it. The kids see their parents as naive….. and they have become cynical and are far more apt to cheat to get ahead = every man for himself.

michaelh

The cheating epidemic on campuses has been rampant for a long time. I’d be willing to say it has gotten worse, but no pretenses that it wasn’t already a serious problem.
Obama was in a position to clean things up and of course he didn’t and instead capitalized on politicizing it. Instead it’s taken us until 2017 to have a President in power that would tackle the economic issues head on.
The psychology of the 2008 financial panic and its impact on the younger generation is understated. I’m less aware of it because I was not in daily contact with college students by that point.
George Will wrote an article about this situation a few years back. He said that the problem was SCOTUS ruled that businesses could not require certain kinds of tests to determine qualifications. The effect of that decision (or intended outcome?) was that HR departments started leaning much more heavily on the college education requirement. These days I’m seeing certifications taking the place of of test based qualifications more and more since bachelor’s degrees are pretty much completely worthless for making hiring decisions, and industry certifications do a much better job of showing whether someone is competent and has the skills for the technology they claim. Most of the tech people I see do not see the bachelor’s as being sufficient b/c colleges do not teach the practical skills required to be successful in IT. This is less true for traditional engineering roles that require specific skills, like true electrical engineering. But most EE’s I’ve talked to are spending a lot more time on the IT side than doing pure EE work.
As far as getting passed up b/c your GPA is 0.06 points lower than someone who cheated… it’s a shame and an injustice. But I for one do not want to work for a company where as an individual I have so little value that 0.06 GPA differentiates myself from another candidate. If a company cannot look past the numbers on the page, and consider the person, the work ethic, the character, and frankly the so-called “soft skills” that are really the hard skills that are necessary to be productive in a team – that is NOT a company that I would wish anyone to work for. Their HR team is full of slackers. They are hiring the best numbers but not the best people. An HR team that accepts this pathetic mediocrity in their hiring process is a company that is not a top performer. That’s not the kind of company I would wish anyone to work at. I don’t care how big the name is or how large their head count – those things mean nothing. If they pass over people for 0.06 points of GPA they are foolish and they deserve to take the loss. The cheaters will be a drag on that company until they learn to be productive employees.

daughnworks247

True.
Any degree in IT is not enough. Skills are stale by the time they get out.
When we thought one of our’s was headed in that direction, we seriously looked at Hack Reactor. It’s an intensive 16week program, and about 16hr days – but you learn Java, Ruby on Rails, etc. and the projects produced are incredible. 98% hire rate and average salary is about 110K – but that’s LOW for Silicon Valley.
BUT it does get you in the door.

Deplorable Patriot

That’s the one thing about being in the arts. Your audition and your portfolio don’t lie or cheat. It’s either there or it isn’t if the person doing the evaluation knows their stuff.
If a company cannot look past the numbers on the page, and consider the person, the work ethic, the character, and frankly the so-called “soft skills” that are really the hard skills that are necessary to be productive in a team – that is NOT a company that I would wish anyone to work for. Their HR team is full of slackers. They are hiring the best numbers but not the best people.
A long time ago, about two decades past, I saw the inside workings of the undergraduate admissions process of a top 25 university. Plain and simply, if you were not a valedictorian, you didn’t get in on the first shot. The second round they would take top tier kids, but I don’t remember what HS classes they were looking at. Was it the aggregate including electives, or strictly academic classes?
If you don’t consider the whole package, including art, sports, theater, band, choir and the rest, you don’t get a complete picture of the person. NOTHING teaches a child about rolling with the punches than theater. NOTHING. Being a leader, those come out naturally in sports. There’s peer to peer interaction as well.
I actually think that the college cheating issue is one anecdote of a sort in a MUCH larger social problem we have in the USA that begins with a lack of front porches and neighborhood visiting. So many people are trapped in a system, they have no clue that they are dehumanized by it.

Deplorable Patriot

Crud. Forgot the HTML paragraph indicators.

Deplorable Patriot

They would take top tier based on GPA.

daughnworks247

The MASSIVE expansion of HR departments is the BULK of the problem.
In our day, HR handled hiring, firing, payroll and health insurance/pension, etc.
Today, itR