Dear KMAG: 20211018 Joe Biden Didn’t Win ❀ Open Topic

Joe Biden didn’t win. This is our Real President:

This Stormwatch Monday Open Thread is VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA/KAG/KMAG world (with KMAG being a bit of both).

Yes, it’s Monday…again.

But it’s okay! We’ll make our way through it.


Free Speech is practiced here at the Q Tree. But please keep it civil. We’re on the same side here so let’s not engage in friendly fire.

If you find yourself in a slap fight, we ask that you take it outside to The U Tree…which is also a good place to report any technical difficulties that you are experiencing, if you’re unable to report them here.

Please also consider the Important Guidelines, outlined here. Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven that Wolf has created for us.

Please pray for our real President, the one who actually won the election:

For your listening enjoyment, I offer this from Phil Rey Gibbons, titled ‘Claim Your Power’:

And this from Thomas Bergersen, titled ‘Apollo’:

Our beloved country is under Occupation by hostile forces.

We can give in to despair…or we can be defiant and fight back in any way that we can.

Joe Biden didn’t win.

I will keep saying Joe Biden didn’t win until we get His Fraudulency out of our White House.

Wheatie’s Word of the Day:


Absquatulate is a verb which means…to leave, run away quickly; to flee; to abscond, usually taking something along.

Used in a sentence:

When forced to leave public office, Demoncrats have been known to absquatulate with anything that is not nailed down.

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yes! Those Demon Dems even absquatulated with the W keys on computer keyboards, when the Bushnazis took over from the Clintonistas and forced them from the White House!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

The idea that the HUSSEINOIDS are actually running things is really catching on. It’s now appearing in FOREIGN “red-pilled” anti-CCP press.


The valuables they looted were nothing compared to the foulness they left behind….


That’s why Melania insisted on the White House being exorcised before she would move in.

Cuppa Covfefe

The desolation of the Øbamanation…..

(let the reader understand)…

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Cuppa Covfefe

Wow… looks like that pic got disappeared…

Looks like the DEMONS of the derp state and DEMONRATS are snuffling around again, protecting the lies of ØØ …

(00 or ØØ is slang for toiled over here – the two rings of the seat)…

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

They got a little STREISAND EFFECT on that, I would say!


Cleansed both physically, FIRST, and then spiritually, LAST.

Has no one else come across the reporting of the implantation in the WH (“remodeling” was the cover story by BO/VJ, et al.) of super high-tech – and nearly impossible to detect – devices in the WH, deadly to life within their range?

The Anons remember …

Valerie Curren

I haven’t seen that info but would be curious to read…


But somehow the “cleansing” missed the Vindmans, Milley, and Mattis, among countless others.


They should have run the hammer-guy from your post through before the priest.

Deplorable Patriot

Vindman wasn’t in the White House, and I doubt Milley and Mattis are actually possessed. Just…not quite as advertised.


‘member when Hillrotten absquatulated with the White House china, silver and furniture?


and ‘member the best part….When President Trump chose that very China & silver to set the table for HIS first State dinner???….it was a glorious slap in the face to Hillary :0)


And he picked ‘her’ curtains for the Oval Office – so when anyone criticized them – they were criticizing ol’ Hillrotten. And there was the subliminal message ‘Hillary’s (is) curtains’ the entire time.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

LOL! “It’s curtains for Hillary!”


Trump can be subtle – or maybe Melania helped – she’s so good with messaging with her fashion choices! 🙂

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

OH, yeah, definitely!!!! That was a biggee!!!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

West Virginia House passes vaccine exemption bill. It’s weak like Joe Manchin, but better than nothing, and provides both medical and religious exemptions (but you have to get a NOTE from an AUTHORITY).


“(but you have to get a NOTE from an AUTHORITY).”


West Virginia… paging Epstein’s mother… it’s gonna take a lot of notes… 👍 😁


See my reply to Wolf. I’m probably not quite as good as Epstein’s mother, but I’ll do!


An authority? Like God? Or His Holy Word?

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

EXACTLY. Nope. Has to be a HUMAN authority.


It’s all about affirming the “Elite”, ain’t it?

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

JFK was absolutely right.


They settle for that for the moment.

I see the wisdom of the Chucago police insisting on conscientious objection.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Amen!!! Wisdom!!!


Well, I am an ordained minister. And I write nice notes 🙂


Pardon the intrusion.

Has your hospitalized friend with Covid health improved?

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No worries. And I don’t know for sure. I have been “off the grid” for a few days. I will find out today, and let everyone know.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yeah, I need to become a minister, too. What’s the name of that church again? I need to bookmark it!!!


Universal Life Church


More like Universal Life “Church”
Church in name only

Cuppa Covfefe

And the, from the musical “Sweet Charity”, there’s the
Church of the Rhythm of Life
(might be especially apropos considering another tune in the show is “Hey Big Spender”…)…


The Universal Life Church.

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SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

A draft for next Saturday is “in the can.”

Complete with a Physics part.

Of course it will take some touchups to make it understandable by anyone other than me.


I’m jealous. 😁


Are things going better than anticipated?

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Not really, but I had some free time today, and realized that I likely won’t have much this week.

Tweaking takes less time than the initial dump of high-density incoherence.


Sounds like you got a bit of good fortune. Congratulations.

Concerned Virginian

Please — don’t insult yourself! You make physics understandable (at least around the edges) to me, and that’s really saying something.
It’s “President” Biden who does the “dump of high-density incoherence” stuff!  🙂 

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Clearly, you have never seen my first drafts.


oh no (((physix)))

makes me want to…
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…absquatulate !  :wpds_question: 

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SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA


Valerie Curren

LOL–good for you, now on into the fray. God bless & protect you (even if you don’t yet know that He exists). I’m praying for you in your battles!

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I can’t quite imagine the legendary “Run away! Run away!” sequence from Monty Python and The Holy Grail being replaced by “Absquatulate! Absquatulate!”…


Use physics to assist your imagination.  😂 

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Valerie Curren


The count shall be Three!!!


How about “Skedaddle!”?

absquatulate (v.)

“run away, make off,” 1840, earlier absquotilate (1837), “Facetious U.S. coinage” [Weekley], perhaps based on a mock-Latin negation of squat (v.) “to settle.” Said to have been used on the London stage in in the lines of rough, bragging, comical American character “Nimrod Wildfire” in the play “The Kentuckian” as re-written by British author William B. Bernard, perhaps it was in James K. Paulding’s American original, “The Lion of the West.” Civil War slang established skedaddle in its place. Related: Absquatulatedabsquatulatingabsquatulation.

(Wheatie, what a fun word!)


That’s great! 😀

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

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Valerie Curren

They’ve also been taking a squat on the Constitution for generations!  😡 

Cuppa Covfefe

Could also be the sound when Stacy Abrams sits down 🙂

(especially if someone’s already sitting there)…


HaHa Hah!!!


Flag up for Robert Baker….sorry about delays, a lot of stuff got crowded.

I vaguely recall that I was going to go over files (little files) and such things as echo, cat (the bigger one), nano, touch, links, “>”, “<” and shell scripts (no flow control).

I also vaguely recall that I was going to go into repos, how apt knows what to do, ppas, installing a program (probably a browser) with a ppa, when “unattended updates” is a good idea (and when it is not).

Further, I’d been holding off on basic (as in, “mostly useless”) networking — wget, curl, dns, dhcp, ipconfig, 127.x.x.x and 255.x.x.x — but it’s available.

Have we actually covered any of this? Is there any that is more interesting to you than another? Is there something else you’d rather look at?


First, thanks for the Linux websites in the previous post. Metaphorically I realized you have been trying to teach me to read but I didn’t know the alphabet (basic commands). I have been concentrating on the website tutorials, particularly Tecmint, to learn the basic commands thru repetition and practice. I have studied echo, cat, nano, touch, and others. Repetition is key to my building a foundation I can use to go deeper into the Linux world. I am sticking to the command line and avoiding the graphical interface until I have a better grip on things. I will say that the Linux world is so vast as to be somewhat daunting. However it affords me plenty of challenges during my quest.

Valerie Curren

am sticking to the command line and avoiding the graphical interface” this is a great perspective that I hope to recall whenever hoping/deciding to jump into Linux too–Thx


I’m bringing this over from yesterday at rayzorback’s request:

This is IMPORTANT!…. Please see Mark Levin’s opening statement. (1st 15 Minutes… if not the whole thing)

Someone please bring this forward to tomorrows Open Post in case I am not able to attend. I think it is important for all to see. ( it is late here… and I’m not sure if others will see this tonight)

The first part is very important, about Dem money stealing our elections. Zuckerberg spent $419m on nonprofits that got out the Dem vote, for example. Something needs to be done, but I don’t know who will do anything.

The second part is about the girl who was raped by the “transgender” student. We see now the lengths the Left will go to to promote their agenda. They have no principles and will cover up anything to make it seem as if all is okay. They promote perversion and try to will us to ignore what we all knew would happen. Common sense tells us that it is so. But they are trying to twist our minds out of that, too.

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Thanks for bringing this in! I was thinking about doing that myself – you did a better job than I would have done!


YW! It’s worth seeing.

Valerie Curren

I let him know w/ a link to your comment–great job!



Valerie Curren

YW 🙂


Hmmm wonder which part of it they didn’t want shown.
Any idea when the video was first put up on youtube ? I ask that because am curious if it had been available for any length of time before being posted on here….watchers?


I have no idea how long it had been up. 😕


Yes! Thanks.

Valerie Curren

Now this shows “Video unavailable–This video contains content from FOX News Network, who has blocked it on copyright grounds.”


” They promote perversion”

The reason they do is because they are perverted. I can almost count on it if one really digs into their lives we would see how they have no moral compass.

Why do we send our children to church and other religious institutions ? So they learn the difference between good and evil.
It is religion that keeps humanity morally ethically balanced.

Valerie Curren

Wow looks like Levin’s video might already be removed  😡 


CodeMonkeyZ is running for Congress, I think against Tom O’Halleran, who has been an AZ rep for the past 3+ years.

Ron Watkins [CodeMonkeyZ]

Today is October 17, 2021 – it is an auspicious day.

I have officially filed the first FEC report of the Ron Watkins for Congress campaign.


I like the sound of that!


This should be good….
October 16, 2021
Ron Watkins [CodeMonkeyZ]
Just did a quick interview with CBS news.
I explained to them that President Trump is still the de facto leader of the United States.
When I get to Congress, I’m going to work with other representatives to fix the laws to make sure this kind of election fraud never happens again.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

That’s hilarious! That had to have triggered the commie news!


And Ron doesn’t need anyone to tell if they cheated. He can figure/prove that himself.


Hope PDJT endorses him.


I strongly suspect he won’t.

He’ll just leave it alone … and rightly so, IMO.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

In some research into the use of luciferase reporter genes in gene tech, I’ve been reading a Moderna patent that was incorrectly used to allege that Moderna was putting luciferase or luciferin into vaccines.

While the patent is of course showing nothing of the sort that was alleged, what it IS showing is a pretty shocking breadth of things that ARE done in gene therapy. In fact, it’s so broad and “genetically arrogant and entitled” – to describe what liberties are taken to “make it work” – that I am no longer completely dubious of certain possibilities.

In other words, “putting luciferin or luciferase in a vaccine” is nothing compared to what they might actually do in the gene therapy that these vaccines were clearly intended to “green-light” into being.

There is NO WAY that you can say definitively that this technology will not cause huge health problems down the road. NO WAY.

I used to think what is happening now might APPROACH Lysenkoism, in terms of scientific folly, and might approach Hitler/Nuremberg in terms of reckless abuse and malice of human experimentation, but no – we are beyond that now.

Things ARE bad.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy


You know what? This is actually really interesting reading.

In a WEIRD WAY – Lysenko was “right”, in that he maniacally predicted EXACTLY what the communists are doing NOW with gene therapy. His assertion of a “genetic dialectic” – of the “evolutionary” in conflict with the “revolutionary” – is actually what we’re seeing RIGHT NOW with the “natural evolution” crowd (US) versus the commie-forced gene therapy crowd (THEM).

Marxist–Leninist theorists presented Lysenkoism as a new branch of biology, arguing that “dialectic method shows that development is carried out in a dual form: evolutionary and revolutionary.” Darwin was attributed with discovering “only the evolutionary” path, while Michurin and Lysenko were presented as making a “great step forward” toward the discovery of a “revolutionary” path of biologic development.[7]

It was just total hubris and pathological commie science – a lot like what we see from Fauci, Gates and Walensky – but it “anticipated” what WOULD come eventually through science – that someday WE would have the power to do the things – and make the mistakes – that we are making now.

So in many ways these people ARE the intellectual inheritors of Lysenkoism!!!

Lysenko’s mistake was claiming that things WERE what they merely COULD BE through greater understanding.

Imagine some person coming BEFORE Galileo and trying to FORCE heliocentrism in their country – killing, jailing, ousting, and attacking the geocentrists.

In a sense, that was Lysenko, who attacked natural evolution.

Natural processes are “evolution”.

Genetic modification is “revolution”.

The dude was a NUT, trying to assert that the NATURAL was both, when it’s almost all ONE. But if he would have simply said “We must become revolutionary in genetics, which is merely evolutionary now”, then he would have been like the Lenin of biology, and he would likely be admired today by all these crazy leftists and depoppers, instead of an old Soviet embarrassment.

But ALL OF THAT comes back and tells me that these people are the modern recapitulation of Lysenkoist THOUGHT, but using the GAINS of actual evolutionary understanding.

The nutbaggery we see NOW with the communist jab-maniacs, is just like Lysenko’s assertions, only MORE REAL because they have MORE TECH.


Unfortunately evil has a long history.

Valerie Curren

Back to the Garden!



Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

This is COMMIE. This is neo-Lysenkoism. This is dumb commies acting with smart tech.


I read somewhere that its name was a mishmash of several key words just like Comirnity.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Comirnaty, conformity, community – it is NOT accidental.


The “vax” was the all-important MEANS to the goal.

This is why they’ve been pushing it so hard, to the max: it’s the lynchpin.

How so many people have been fooled into mimicking the behavior of hard-core drug-addicts (mainlining into the bloodstream, without doing the requisite due diligence) is frightening, IMO.


This is exactly how I have become so disturbed with family, friends, church members, etc. They believe the BS and are acting on it without regard to their own or their loved ones’ futures. It really, really bothers me. So naive and gullible – no research or due diligence, just blind faith in what the evil doers say to do. The same people on the TV that breathlessly told them about how PDT was involved with the Russians, the Ukraine BS, the continuous stream of ridiculous accusations that many of them even ridiculed – they now trust to tell them the truth about gene therapy jabs? How utterly foolish can they be? Yet, there the sheeple now go to get their boosters and flu shots without Thought #1 about their health or the people around them when they have evidence and can see the trend lines of how COVID has declined minus the next round of shots and how the CDC claims the flu did not exist last year.

They trust liars, thieves and murderers over educated, loving family members and friends who have researched, resisted and are HEALTHY – NOT DYING – NOT EVEN INFECTED – WHO HAVE NATURAL IMMUNITY.

So exasperating.


A friend (not the one I have spoken about recently), again, an intelligent man who mostly “gets” what is happening, also has a closed mind about this one area.

He literally laughed and waved me off when I told him that the CDC says you are DEEMED unvaccinated for 14 days after getting the shot, and DEEMED unvaccinated 6 months after taking one of the brands which wears off.

Those facts were so absurd and ridiculous he would rather think I was a buffoon than think it might be true. I hold no ill will toward him on that account. We like each other and are great company otherwise.

He took the shot, and he has to cope with his decision. He will hear no bad things about the shot because he has convinced himself there are no bad things, despite the fact that his wife collapsed very shortly after taking the shot and was prostrate for three days. She collapsed in the bathroom once she got home, and they needed paramedics to put her in bed (NOT the hospital … interesting).

But it was all a coincidence probably caused by stress, he believes. That is one very closed mind. And this is a man who reads a book a week.

Forget about speaking rationally with many, many people. Someone put pods under their beds.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yup. I totally hear you about this guy!!! He has FIXED POINTS – socially controlled – media-controlled – that cannot be changed, except by majority thinking in the first case, and the media in the second case. And he will never suspect the media because he uses both majority thinking and the media as the “proof” of each other. It’s a brilliant logical sabotage.

As long as a “majority” trust the media, he will trust the media. As long as the media says the majority thinks something, he will believe the majority thinks something.


Exactly. He asked me where I got my information and I said “the internet.” He shook his head and told me “See, that’s your problem right there.”

IOW, “the internet” straight up equates to “conspiracy theory,” and not the “real” media. In fairness, he is much older than I.

But another older friend who also does not use a computer for anything, will frequently ask me to look up things on “the internet” for him, sometimes calling me to ask. But he figured out that the “real media” is Fake and full of lies pushed by people who do not have our best interests in mind, let alone truth or objectivity. And he figured out that you can get truth and objectivity on the internet if you look for it.

I had contempt for the Big Phony Cronkite when I was a teenager. His act was obvious. It is astonishing that in 2021 anyone believes Fake News, but many, many do, BIGLY, for the psychological reasons you cite.

Cuppa Covfefe

Worshipping the White Coats and the Talking Heads…

As if the YSM/MCM and the presstitutes are any more reliable than the internet. Wonder what that person thinks of Google Scholar, or Britannica Online (or whatever it’s called), or the various “open” research paper outlets, or Elsevier and other (pay-through-the-nose) “official” internet portals…

Media “experts” are usually the poor sod in a white coat who wasn’t fast enough to get away from the news director/producer on his/her way out of the studio…

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Ha. I actually had a DOCTOR tell me, when I went to him for a second opinion on something: “Don’t trust anyone in a white coat!” Turned out I didn’t follow his advice, either, and the issue was resolved using info from the internet.

Cuppa Covfefe

It makes me think of the delusion at the end of the age…


Fear ?


A combo of fear (out-pacing the intellect), and the emotional need (also out-pacing the intellect) to preserve ones self-esteem.

“It’s easier to fool someone, than to convince them that they’ve been fooled.”




What gets me is how Trump the most powerful man was hoodwinked by people around him AK Pence and Fauci.
He still does not seem to understand or know the whole implications of the jab. How could that be? Unless he lives in a bubble ? People around him withholding information?
Dr Hatfield spend lots of time in the WH also met with Trump during covid when Trump was there he surely told him the truth?
I am troubled by that and need to get more info because I do not know all the circumstances.

Cuppa Covfefe

VSGPDJT wanted fast but HONEST and CORRECT and SAFE development of a VACCINE.

He threw down a challenge, probably approved resources to meet it, and, as a manager would do, delegated the authority to perform and complete the task to people whose remit and expertise were appropriate.

The fact that they lied to and misled him IS NOT HIS FAULT.

And what alternative would you propose? Hell-the-BEAST?

President Trump’s plans were more than likely including a second term, which was statistically (and historically) likely, and reasonable for long-term project planning. The fact that the Satanic DEMONRATS cheated to the extent they did, and stole the election, not only at the Presidential level, but all of the lower-levels (probably even dog-catcher) put a wrench to that.

It’s taken at least 100 years to get this bad. The only one who could put things right in four years (or in an instant) is GOD HIMSELF.

No matter what, we now SEE the enormous evil assembled in Washington D.C. and “governments” everywhere, not just in the USA. People have been numbed and dumbed-down by media, education, and other institutions, to the fact that they could not conceive of such evil EVER taking place. VSGPDJT exposed that, and enabled/persuaded/encouraged alternate media to speak out, and those of us who are skeptics to get off our collective bums and start doing something, even if it’s only red-pilling everyone we can reach (whether they want to hear us or not)…..

Any one of the other “Republican” candidates in 2016 wouldn’t have done anything of note; indeed, I doubt any of them would have won against the Satanic Black Magick Illuminised Witch Hillary Clinton…..


I am not upset at Trump do not see it as his fault concerning the virus and jab.
They blindsided him. Where my puzzlement comes in that they were brazen to put the wool over him but maybe not Pence seemed very convincing so was Fauci.
All I can think is they knew Trump would loose they knew they would steal the election. With the jab trump might have been promised one thing and they did a poison. Now he should know? Maybe not.
Yes Trump was the best President in a long time. God Bless him and his family.


Thank you for this report on your research. I am convinced the depth of evil will be revealed with this and in many other areas over time.

Dark, dark period of human history.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

If anybody is interested in a technical review of COVID vaccine technologies, this is a GREAT review paper that appears to be popular.

For example, here is the caption of one of their primary graphics, expanded by me…..

Summary of SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine platforms. 

A) Live-attenuated vaccine platform in which SARS-CoV-2 is engineered by RG system to produce modified vaccine seed that is used for vaccine production in susceptible cells such as Vero E6 cells.

B) Inactivated virus vaccine platform whereby SARS-CoV-2 prepared vaccine seed is propagated (scaled-up) in Vero E6 cells and is then chemically inactivated and finally formulated with a specific adjuvant.

C) Protein subunit platform in which whole or part of spike protein, such as the receptor-binding domain, is expressed in mammalian or insect cells and/or yeast, purified, and finally mixed with a specific adjuvant.

D) Viral vector platform (replication-deficient adenovirus) in which the adenovirus genome is modified by RG, the open reading frame (ORF) of the spike protein is cloned into adenovirus genome, and finally infectious recombinant virus is rescued in complementing cells. The final rescued virus is adenovirus expressing SARS-CoV-2 spike protein.

E) Genetic vaccine (plasmid DNA vaccine) in which SARS-CoV-2 spike ORF is cloned into a plasmid DNA under a strong promoter such as that of human cytomegalovirus, and then, the plasmid is scaled-up in bacteria and finally purified. The final purified plasmid is inoculated into humans using an electroporation gun.

F) Genetic vaccine (mRNA vaccine) in which SARS-CoV-2 spike mRNA is chemically synthesized and enclosed with lipid nanoparticles for efficient delivery into human cells.

This figure was created with BioRender (


I’m looking to assess the interest in a further calculus post. I’d just do it, to fight the echoing void, except that I’ve come to realize I need diagrams, which will get messy.

Since I’m trying to give people a gut feel for what the hell is going on, rather than actually teaching calculus as a discipline, I was looking to deal with the derivative and integral of a slanted line between x=2 and x=4. I wanted to show that the “over” error was F and the “under” error was G, and how much that improved if I divided the distance between x=2 and x=4 in half; then in quarters; then in eighths. How the values converged, and F & G converged on zero as the slices got thinner.

Next step would be to note how all of this converged on what we we would expect them to be based on old-fashioned geometry, with maybe a nod toward the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus — and how horribly sucky Leibniz’s notation is, except as compared to any other that we’ve managed to come up with….and particularly Newton’s.

I’d want to wrap up with a couple of quick examples to tie into the real world — perhaps the speed of a bullet fired at a helicopter or something.

Once I realized that I needed diagrams, I lost a lot of enthusiasm, so I’ll only want to slay the diagram drawing dragon if encouraged.

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Quite understandable for a CPA, but I would say like Steve you would make a good physicist as he often would proclaim ” whose counting? ”

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I’m not sure how to take that.

I started out because there were some who expressed discomfort at calculus. The idea was that I wouldn’t get bogged down in details, I’d just try to explain what it did in English. That way, people could be comfortable around it — even if they never used calculus themselves (as, indeed, I haven’t in the last 35+ years).

If we were in a conference room with a whiteboard or two, I could do my schtick in less than two hours, while telling jokes in the middle.

But I’ve lost confidence in my ability to tell the tale without diagrams, and it will now take a bit of effort to get that…..while I still don’t know whether I’m just talking to myself.


It’s ok. I do a lot of counting myself 😀 

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I think all people here would appreciate it, personally, as long as it’s at least partially understandable.

Not trying to talk you into it, but if you did decide to do it, you could always draw things by hand with GIMP and upload screen captures as images with your comments. Or just steal some professional graphics!

Valerie Curren

Post of video of same wearing a fun mask & hide any doxing concerns??


Oh Cthulhu,
Please do the introduction lesson!! Cut it into short segments, smaller bites for thee and me and us. It’s okay if you want to drop it later.

I stopped my science classes after organic chemistry. I wondered how physics and calculus suddenly got so hard for me. Looking back, it was because previously I didn’t have to do homework problems to pass the exams.

Der Voolf’s [specifically SteveInCO’s] physics series is a delight and so fun to read. I’m really understanding it better. I’d love to get calculus before I get ‘old’. I already know that you use humor to teach and explain. Heh heh, that would be cool.

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Valerie Curren

I wondered how physics and calculus suddenly got so hard for me. Looking back, it was because previously I didn’t have to do homework problems to pass the exams.”

Wonder Twins powers activate (as in that was me too) 😉


Try the YT channel “3Blue1Brown” – I’ve watched quite a few of their vids.

The graphics are tremendous, and the narration / explanations are quite accessible to both math-oriented and non-math-oriented people alike.

Here’s one of the first ones on the subject:

(Btw, the initial quote cited, by Hilbert, is good – but Hilbert did so much DAMAGE to other mathematicians that I hold him in contempt. While ostensibly “trying” to advance mathematics, he ended up setting it BACK, in the main, for many decades [IMO].)

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Wow! That’s a very interesting opinion on Hilbert!


Look up what he did to Brouwer. He was crushed – never the same man, afterward.

A lefty-trick.

Einstein opined on it … AGAINST Hilbert (and for good reason).

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

WOW! Did not know. Thanks!

Valerie Curren

For what it’s worth you can post images if you use rt clk “copy image address” & then paste it & sometimes clean it up here. Image addresses from Gab post fine, from Twitter need the ? & after removed & then the suffix from the gobbledy gook, like .jpg or .gif placed where the ? began. If you open an image in a separate tab & it ends in an image suffix you can copy that URL here & they usually seem to show OK.

I’m interested, but don’t really put yourself out please. Only have “fun” with it 🙂


For those who might be interested, there is also a book of popular science titled A Clockwork Universe which does a beautiful job putting together all the relevant concepts starting with Zeno up to and including Newton/Leibniz (with personal details of their rivalry). It is an entertaining book, and remarkable for making the concepts understandable even for someone like me!


The scene from “North by Northwest”, where the guy is running away from the biplane, always puzzled me. I would have waddled my way up to one of those four foot posts, and thrown myself to the ground behind it. If a guy wants to hit one with a biplane wing and plow himself into the field behind me, what’s my worry?


First I noticed that the bell is working, Whoo Hoo!
Well Wolf looks like you went back to our old host?

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Actually, I didn’t do a damn thing! If your bell is working now, when it wasn’t before, it’s due to some other change in your system!


I’ll do a little experiment and let you know

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Dr. Peter McCullough again! GREAT STUFF!

Plus a little humor at the beginning!

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Yes, I think all these:

the CDC hiding vaccine adverse effects with the 14 day rule after vaccination

the CDC hiding failing vaccines by saying vaccinated people are “unvaccinated” after 6 months

the CDC starting with PCR tests instead of antigen tests

the CDC overruling FDA on boosters

the CDC sabotaging the initial tests

the CDC dumping flu and other diseases into COVID numbers

and many more lies…..

All of this seems KNOWING.

Who ARE these people?


Mr. Global. I suspect Catherine Austin Fitts knows more than she is willing to admit.

Concerned Virginian

Dr. Anthony Fauci is DE FACTO running the CDC.
His protogee, Dr. Rochelle Walensky, is a FIGUREHEAD.
And Fauci is taking his orders from **someone else**.

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Totally agreed. FAUCISM is thoroughly embedded.


>>”Who ARE these people?“<<

Those who are so mentally deficient as to believe that they are “superior” to others … while demonstrating with almost every act that they are, rather, catastrophically INFERIOR.

They are the fallen – the demented, without the full capacity of mentality that normal people have.

Sociopaths, psychopaths, monomaniacs, megalomaniacs, etc.

They are pathological – no cure.

The vast majority have been *purposefully* damaged as children, to create such dementia, to more easily be controlled.

The incidence of these derangements, occurring naturally (physical defects), is extremely low.


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Yes, you are absolutely right. McCullough only hits the other side with stuff THEY have documented.

WE know from the Medicare whistleblower that the numbers of “dead within 3 days of the vax” mean that the number of deaths in VAERS is undercounting by a significant number – by their estimate there should have been 45,000 dead. THAT would push up the permanently injured to the hundreds of thousands.

Why is the number so high? Because people who are contraindicated are being pushed to get the jab, and because the RISK POPULATIONS for the jab are the SAME POPULATIONS as RISK FOR THE DISEASE.

We are seeing socialist medicine, which is STUPID because it never questions its own basic assumptions – like “anything which overcomes vaccine hesitancy is good”.

Not it’s not. That is WRONG. It’s simply WRONG.

CDC is political – it is NOT scientific. Overruling even the corporatized FDA shows how bad – REALLY bad.

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Deplorable Patriot

Leave your infiltrated Church….

No. Just resist within the system, and go traditional which is now a rebellious act.

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Going traditional has been a rebellious act since V2.

It is now being outlawed.

Deplorable Patriot

Do it anyway. 😉

I now have quite the collection of long/longish skirts.

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You’re in a tough spot on “leave to protest”. I do know Catholics near me who find relief by attending a particular church, and I’ll just leave it at that, so their good thing continues.



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Poster child old fart for destineasia.

  • Multiple times daily, I’ll walk to the garage kitchen…AND when I get their, wonder why the hell I went there in the first place.


Valerie Curren

Yup, LOL I go back to the starting point & start moving toward the destination to see if it “triggers” the faulty memory to recall Why that specific journey–& so far that works pretty well 😉


Oh yeah. When I do things at weird moments it is because I will forget to do it otherwise. Do it when the thought occurs! And even then it could be too late!


My wife and I make a fine pair shuffling around with a moan or grunt to let the other know were here. Between the two of us we do get by 😏 

Valerie Curren

My husband & I like to joke that occasionally between the two of us we might make up One brain 😉


Yes, I’ve been having that now and then. I’ll go into the kitchen for something but once there I don’t remember what I went there for. I’ve found that if I just go back to wherever I was, office, basement, garage, bathroom, etc.; if I do that I have a fair chance of recall the idea of what I wanted to do in the kitchen, and then I consciously remember it long enough for when I am back.

However, if I keep standing in the kitchen and speculating and thinking of what possibly could be what I’d be there fore, I’d forget it completely, and not even going back to the office/basement/wherever will be enough to recall. The whole exercise has to be written off as «not important» then.

It got slightly worse with the corona (virus, not mexican beer; though that wouldn’t be very helpful either!), but still happens every once in a while.

And there’s nothing special about the kitchen; similar occasional forgetfulness applies to the garage and the basement. (Not so much the bathroom).

Valerie Curren



“(Not so much the bathroom)”

This is the exception. 🙂

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Great Del Bigtree interview of a hospital whistleblower who figured out that the vaccines were causing problems in a huge way.

This has been posted here – Sundance has an article up about this, too.

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She confirms indirectly that CDC was hiding vaccine problems as “COVID” within the first 14 days after vaccination.

Deplorable Patriot

Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

With incomplete data, too.


I’ve read reports that hospitals (the administrators) have been purposefully giving curative therapies to the “vaxxed”, and withholding them from the “unvaxxed”.

Skewing (inverting) the numbers used to calculate causes of death / debility.

Rewarding the jabbed, and punishing the unjabbed.

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Yup. EVIL.


How GATES, FAUCI and SCHWAB Manufactured The COVID-19 Crisis To Usher In The NEW WORLD ORDER That Will Build Back Better

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cool tunes again, wheatie !

we be vibin’



Also Fauci.

Valerie Curren

Seen on Gab
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Whoops, I missed that someone else beat me w/ this meme–blush emoji 🙂


brilliant minds….

  :wpds_wink:   :wpds_idea: 

Valerie Curren

LOL much better than the hive mind!


Regarding the footage early on 9/11 of the first ‘plane’ hitting the World Trade Center:

Video without plane. Hat tip GA/FL.

Video with plane.


I’m convinced that the whole thing was a preplanned setup. The plane was added into the second video.

Valerie Curren

What about the seeming Sound of the plane in Both videos?

The first video, in the tweet, looks like the explosion comes out w/ a puff of gray dust, like (potentially) a plane could have hit from another side of the building?

I archived the tweet here, but it doesn’t appear to play the video

video seems to play here though

Strange but, called the Wayback Machine, is promoting something called the Way Forward, imagining the internet in 25 years, in 2046??? What could this be?


What about the seeming Sound of the plane in Both videos?”

There is no doubt that the sound of the plane actually happened. The people standing around are shown reacting to it by looking up and behind them.

How could this be if there was no plane?

It wouldn’t be all that hard to set up two banks of speakers on building rooftops separated by maybe a half block to achieve a stereo effect of sound moving from right to left. They would have been placed specifically for the best sound at the spot where the filming was taking place.

For the speakers to have achieved that amount of volume, they would likely have been the kind used at a rock concert at Madison Square gardens.

Valerie Curren

Fascinating take, itswoot. I wonder if any satellite footage of that day is archived & could be reviewed in hours/days leading up to the events…


There probably was at one time. As with most crimes, destruction of evidence becomes a priority for the criminals. I often wonder how high the body count became in the cover up. I know there was some.

Valerie Curren

Yes. I remember reading an eye witness book, with numerous short stories & it seems that in the debris field & bodies underneath the towers before the first one fell that there were people strapped into plane seats, or in airline uniforms, or otherwise connected to planes, in addition to the horrors of the jumpers.

That book Might have been called In Our Own Words…No here’s the description of the book, also from our library system

Tower stories : an oral history of 9/11

Including follow-up interviews that track contributors’ lives since 9/11, as well as never-before-published photographs, this expanded second edition of a literary time capsule preserves a monumental tragedy in American history through the voices of the people who were in Lower Manhattan and elsewhere in New York at the time of the attack. ……

Tower stories : an oral history of 9/11 / [edited] by Damon DiMarco.
[Expanded 2nd ed.].
Publication Information
Santa Monica, Calif. : Santa Monica Press, [2007]

This first person narrative is quite eye-opening & well worth the read, imo.

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Yes, I agree. And do you know why?

THE PLANE SOUND IS WRONG. In multiple ways.

Oh, this is GREAT. Such an operation is well within IC capabilities – and this was an INTERNATIONAL IC operation.


This has been the major sticking point for me. I have gone through all the videos and there is no question how fake the event was.

But no where have I found a satisfactory answer to the “sound” objection. There are first hand accounts of people hearing the incoming planes.

Specifically, an objection I saw was that the sounds could be easily analyzed to determine if they were “real” or not. But no where have I seen such analysis, pro or con. The objection was based on the premise that if the sounds were fake, someone would have said so by now.

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Brilliant! “Somebody would have said something by now.”

This is a perfect example (and Q talks about this all the time) of how controlling majority opinion can LITERALLY control whether anybody sees something AND that the something gets traction. BOTH aspects are reduced, compounding each other. People won’t LOOK, if the majority are not encouraged to look for flaws.

This is a HUGE problem in science, and why HERD REVIEW is a critical step. Herd review allows amplification of a highly sensible minority opinion. It’s a KEY STEP.

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This is why it was CRITICAL for the people behind 9/11 to have local NYC news videographers with LOW ETHICS. I have MET these people. They tried to set me up. I know it’s real. Once you know that, 9/11 as a SCAM makes enormous sense.

You can tell that this shoot is a set-up just by having some guy with a camera filming this routine stuff. Right place, right time, right angle – it was perfect. But spend much time in NYC and you know this does NOT happen. It’s NOT just some random lucky break.

Most people in the Midwest simply don’t understand the corruption of the East and West coasts. It’s a different corruption, but it’s the same level.

On the West Coast, it’s CHINATOWN. On the East coast, it’s the WORST OF 19th CENTURY EUROPE.

There is a LOT of money in the NYC news world, too. It gets things done.


The first video, in the tweet, looks like the explosion comes out w/ a puff of gray dust, like (potentially) a plane could have hit from another side of the building?”

If you look at the shape of the hole in the video where the ‘impact’ took place, it shows the shape of the airplane. You would only get that on the side where the ‘plane’ hit the WTC. It can be clearly seen when the video zooms in.

The person doing the video was in on the scam. According to the person narrating in the second video it was 8:46 AM when the ‘crash’ took place. What was a person with a video camera recording fire department workers doing something as mundane as checking for a gas leak?

The location is perfectly situated to video tape the WTC. Too perfect. It was scouted out ahead of time. Not to far or close to the WTC. Low buildings that did’t block the view. If the workers were checking for a gas leak on the other three intersection corners, the view would have been blocked by the buildings. I’d be willing to bet that if you scouted within a half mile radius of that corner you would not find a better viewpoint to record the planned event.

Also, how did the camera operator know when to swing the camera about 80-90 degrees to catch the explosion? They would have either known the exact timing of when the explosives in the WTC were going to be set off, or they had a audio receiver in their ear with someone saying something like, “swing left now” at the critical time.

The only other person in this staged setup would have been a manager in NYC maintenance who scheduled the fire department gas leak check at that particular time and location. The firemen were there just doing their job.

Valerie Curren

Well those are entirely interesting possibilities. I recognize the voice on the video & the footage as it’s part of the Naudet brothers documentary that they were filming w/ a particular NYC firehouse. Both brothers were French filmmakers who “happened” to be making a documentary following the progress of one “probie” & were in different locations as 9/11 unfolded. Based on the footage shown in the documentary it seems those brothers were Not aware of the fate of each other until they were re-united at the end of the day.

Here’s the info on that video as presented in our library system…


Videorecording (DVD)

Telecast to coincide with the six-month “anniversary” of the horrific terrorist attack on New York’s World Trade Center, the powerful and poignant two-hour CBS TV documentary 9/11 grew out of an independent film project inaugurated by French filmmakers Jules and Gedeon Naudet several months before the tragedy. Originally intending to produce an in-depth study of a “typical” American fireman, from the rookie training days to matriculation as a full-fledged firefighter, the brothers virtually lived in the headquarters of the F.D.N.Y.’s Engine Seven, Ladder One company. Thus it was that the Naudets were on hand to tape record the airliner “bombing” of both towers one and two on that fateful September 11 — and even more dramatically, one of the brothers was able to record the hectic activities of the firefighters as they courageously went about their duties in the doomed lobby of tower one — with only minutes to spare before both towers would collapse into a sickening mass of rubble. Although the more appalling examples of carnage are tactfully left unshown, such chilling vignettes as the offcamera sounds of crashing glass, indicating that another victim has jumped to his or her death from the uppermost heights of the twin towers, are left intact, obliging CBS to run a disclaimer in hopes of sparing the victims’ loved ones any further anguish (too, the amount of understandable profanity spoken by the harried firefighters far exceeded anything ever heard before on mainstream American television). Telecast with only three commercial interruptions on March 10, 2002, 9/11 was dedicated to all the victims of the tragedy, with most of the proceeds going to the Uniformed Firefighter Association Scholarship Fund. The special garnered one of the highest ratings posted by CBS in years, with 38 million viewers tuning in. ~ Hal Erickson, Rovi

9/11 [videorecording (DVD)] / a Goldfish Pictures, Inc. and Silverstar Productions, LLC in association with Reveille ; producers/editors, Richard Barber, M.J. Maloy, Bruce Spiegel, Mead Stone, Paul LaRosa, Ian P. Paisley ; writers, Tom Forman, Greg Kandra ; directors, Jules Naudet, Gedeon Naudet, James Hanlon.
Filmmakers commemorative DVD ed.
On the morning of September 11, 2001, brothers Jules and Gedeon Naudet were working on a documentary about a rookie New York City firefighter. Hearing a roar in the sky, Jules turned his camera upward – just in time to film the only existing image of the first plane crashing into the World Trade Center Tower 1. With cameras rolling, the Naudets follow NYC firefighters into the heart of what would be known as Ground Zero. A striking tribute to real-life heroes who rose to extraordinary acts of courage and compassion.

We own this video & have watched it several times. It is possible that that gas leak call was a set up but there were plane parts (not sure if on this video or others we’ve seen) & there are some eye witness accounts of a survivor(s?) from one of the plane hits watching it impact their building. Not sure where that footage is, but some aspects of the planes scenarios seems legit (even if the buildings were brought down via thermite on support beams)…


There is another set of videos out there of the second ‘plane’ hitting the WTC. One without a plane, one with. Same video camera operator.

It is much more difficult to remove a moving object in a video than to add something in. Technology has advanced since 9/11 to make it easier, but back then it took much skill.

The 9/11 plotters who faked it had ample votivation to do it for mainly two reasons. The enactment of the liberty restrictive Patriot Act, and a cornerstone of our current surveilance state. The other would be the trillions of dollars spent on the war against terror, and those who would benefit from that.

Valerie Curren

So IF those planes didn’t hit the WTC, Pentagon, & Shanksville (though I think it’s possible that Cheney ordered United 93 shot down but the “Let’s Roll” resistance seems pretty well documented), where did they & their passengers go? What about the phone calls from various passengers on the planes & the numerous people who shared their phone experiences? Is ALL of that faked in your mind?

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Always remember that REALITY is the best cover. Much of 9/11 is real. As much as possible. As many deaths as possible are real, but if you don’t see the body, then how they died is not known until you get direct evidence.

Pentagon was struck with something. People died.

But also remember that the CIA literally TRAIN IN MAGICIANSHIP. That was actually (at least per historians) the revelation of Sidney Gottlieb – to recruit magicians to train his people in how to fool us chumps.

Thousands of people died. Trust me – these people are cold killers. But their rule is to NEVER get caught, and cover up hard. It works, but over time, they do make mistakes that allow the facade to crack.

One of the things that the intelligence agencies do is write after-the-fact books to “seal the history”. That’s why they control publishing so strongly. I’m actually fairly familiar with two cases of where they created fake history in this regard – Benghazi and Columbine. Also, the REMOVED a publishing thorn in their side – Barbara Olsen – at 9/11.

The print media is terrible. Don’t trust something just because it’s in a book.

There was a lot of “noble lying” going on with 9/11. There were REASONS for people to take part, at the highest levels. Many were convinced they were doing good.

The communists know that virtue signals WORK as payment for “noble lies”. Americans are very good at the noble lie.

Valerie Curren


I remember reading the Jayna Davis’ book The Third Terrorist exposing the Muslim man who was involved in OKC bombing. between that & some of my OK contacts it seemed “apparent” that that event wasn’t Caused by the Truck bomb but that there were explosives wired to support pillars in the building. I think They were less efficient then than during 9/11 where the deep state created a disaster for numerous nefarious purposes.

It’s an extreme sickness of evil that is nearly beyond comprehension for “normies” & even plenty of us who gladly took the red pill!

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Most people have no idea how evil communism really is.

Valerie Curren

I think some are getting an inkling around the world nowadays 🙁


I think flight 93 that crashed in Shanksville is not disputable. It likely happened as it occurred. What I would dispute is if everything that is said to have happened in the flight 93 hijacking and crash is 100% true.

The Pentagon crash is iffy for me. A plane may have crashed into it as described. I don’t know enough about it to definitely say one way or another. I know that there are claims that no plane was involved.

My best guess is that the two planes that are said to have crashed into the two WTC towers landed in some out of the way airfield, and the passengers and crew whisked away. What happened to them is a mystery.

Valerie Curren

Well the “gash” in the earth in Shanksville that some seem to think is proof of the plane going down nose first showing a loose outline of the plane pre-existed 9/11, per satellite imagery. There were eye witness accounts of a fireball in the sky & luggage & debris from 93 spread over several miles, iirc, supporting shoot down theories in my mind.

It is curious that the Pentagon “hit” was in that fortified zone & that conveniently resulted in destruction of damning materials about I forget which scandals…also I’d heard the OKC bombing destroyed Ruby Ridge & Branch Davidian materials that just Happened to bail out Slick Willie’s booty from who knows what at that time…Evil apparently knows NO bounds!

Oh & Jack Cashill was All Over the TWA flight 800 debacle that wasn’t even close to what was presented to the public, iirc…

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OMG! Two brothers! LOL.

We were such chumps.

Valerie Curren

No doubt 🙁 I haven’t watched that specific movie in a couple years so I wonder if it will ring more hollow after all these revelations…

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That’s exactly what happened with me.

The clincher is this. Ask yourself over and over – “Did I see the planes hit the buildings?” Answer honestly. From that point, rebuild what you know, with scientific skepticism born from realizing that there are people who profit by mass deception.

Valerie Curren

The desire to just acquiesce to the storyline is just pressurized from so many angles. What you have to know & accept to get where many of us here now have travelled is definitely a “through the looking glass” type of experience…& often Not a “through a glass darkly” journey like scripture mentions…

Well supposedly “everyone” saw the second plane hit on live TV if they were watching feeds of the first tower on fire. That seems a bit hard to fake & what about the people in NYC who saw it with their eyes?

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Excellent! You’re almost there.

“Supposedly…”!!! Away with it! RAUS!!!

“Seems”. Assume nothing in a world where magicians make planes SEEM to disappear – and SEEM to APPEAR AGAIN.

Keep asking yourself the question, until you face the deepest and most humbling truth, and start over at the beginning.

Did you see the planes hit the towers?

I will not tell you the answer. You must FACE IT YOURSELF.

Tear away everything other people told you, in deception or in kindness, until you are naked to the truth.

Then start over.

This is very similar to a principle my professor taught me, which enables me to “reset” myself when there is an impasse of scientific understanding. The impasse is usually there, because we assume things from the beginning that we should not have assumed.

There is JOY in admitting what we don’t really know, and to start over, because we can reacquaint ourselves with everything as if we were children. But we may then realize how little we actually know.

Valerie Curren

“There is JOY in admitting what we don’t really know, and to start over, because we can reacquaint ourselves with everything as if we were children. But we may then realize how little we actually know.”

This is an ongoing process whenever diving into many of the topics freely discussed in the Q-Tree. “The world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you to the truth” as stated in The Matrix very well describes the massive deception of so many things that everyone “knows”.

None of what happened on 9/11 did I directly see with my own eyes. Everything was filtered through someone’s camera lens & some TV channel. I recorded hours of VHS tapes of various events but haven’t reviewed them. Spent Many hours over the years watching various DVD presentations & reading some books & of course testimonials, like shared at CTH, but my Personal Direct Experience w/ those events is & always will be filtered for I wasn’t there at Any of those sites!

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Yup. That is the humble beginning.

What you will discover, working your way back up, are information bottlenecks, where massive deception is possible.

Valerie Curren

The more they try to hide & suppress info the more important it appears to be…like every day is Opposite Day!


Also, note that there is not any traffic going through the road intersection. One emergency vehicle with lights flashing shows up briefly in both videos blocking one approach to the intersection. This was during morning rush hour in NYC.

Can’t chance having a high profile vehicle passing by at the critical moment of filming. The gas leak ruse was a good choice for the 9/11 plotters.

Valerie Curren

“The gas leak ruse was a good choice for the 9/11 plotters.” Lots of food for thought!


I had a friend that tried his hardest to convince me that 9/11 was done by our own government. I refused to buy it. That was about 15 years ago. The last time he talked to me about 9/11 he got so irate that he walked away from me and went to the garage to work on a project. I let myself out the door. He made it know by his actions that talking to me about the subject was like talking to a brick wall. But I was listening to what he had to say, and it took many years for me to come around to his way of thinking regarding 9/11.

He moved to Alabama not long afterwards, swearing he would never spend another winter in Michigan. I would let him know that I had been paying attention to his argument, and that he had made a difference, if I knew how to get ahold of him.

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Yup. I was like you. It took YEARS of going back over thing to realize where it all went wrong.

We are up against people who understand mass psychology at an ACTIONABLE LEVEL. Enough that they can easily affect human science.


Earlier I was voicing astonishment at a friend for having closed mind about the shots.

But I had a closed mind about 911 until recently, and probably for the same reasons. I read the Popular Science article way back then, and that was a good enough “debunking” for me. The majority mentality and the media were mutual reinforcements, for me.

And now I see two things pretty clearly. There was a LOT of 911 nonsense in the aftermath, and the flood of nonsense led me (as it was intended) to close my mind to anything other than the government version. Illogical, but effective.

Now I understand the scope and depth of the alternative reality created for us. And am more familiar with the techniques.

The second thing is, from day one there have been people who understood the Fakery of it all, even if they did not have the background of who and what and why. And they spoke the unadorned truth, which counted for nothing if nobody listened.

Like the Kennedy assassination, it was all there for me if I cared to look. And I am a looker. But in both cases I was easily led astray and did not look.

In the case of Kennedy, by a couple of well written books (Bugliosi and especially Posner). It was only when I saw the original Mark Lane interviews of eyewitnesses that I realized how mistaken I might be, and looked further, and found much, much different.

In this respect, I want to relate an aspect personal to me. William Buckley was my hero when I was in high school. Believe me, that was highly unusual and “odd” (today it would be disqualifying).

I remember Buckley interviewing Lane, and that was enough for me. In my mind, Buckley definitively crushed Lane.

So when my eyes were opened, I watched the segment again, and was horrified at how shallow my perception had been. Buckley was snide and superficial. Lane was dignified and cogent. Buckley had NOTHING other than “you’re a communist,” and Lane had the facts.

It was an embarrassment for Buckley in reality.

Watching that segment solidified an opinion about Buckley which had grown in me over the years, that he was simply another mis-leader. (And he WAS CIA).

I cannot see Buckley without thinking he is role playing. And his books are like Will’s, in retrospect, a lot of nothing going nowhere. I realize he is dead.

He died of emphysema from smoking. In his final days he strongly urged the government to outlaw tobacco.

This was and is incomprehensible to me. He should have simply said he made a stupid mistake in smoking.

His death apparently was horrible, and no one deserves that. But he apparently was a thorough faker in the life he lived, and that limits any sympathy.

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Fascinating. Absolutely fascinating. I went through periods of admiring Buckley, but OMG – I can imagine how indeed he might have flamed out, Kristol-like, had he lived longer.

One way to look at the deception is this.

When we laughed off the Potemkin villages and said “they can’t get away with it”, we thought we had won.

We never considered that the communists went back to the drawing board, made the villages bigger and more diffuse, and BUILT THEM IN AMERICA.


Look at the Las Vegas massacre, and the ridiculous claim that Stephen Paddock did it. Quite a few witnesses spoke of helicopters that they heard shots coming from. John Cullen has done excellent work on this.


Same. Took many years.

Valerie Curren

Wow. Red Pills apparently still need to be incoming to help us navigate Deeper into the rabbit hole apparently. I read a report about Thermite in the debris in NYC & some “eye witness” accounts about explosives being planted in the Towers. Also, iirc, there were early reports of the FBI &/or Secret Service on site as the NYC disaster was unfolding, possibly removing the gold from some basement area…

It is still hard to know just who/what to believe. What’s NOT hard to believe is that our own “government” is lying their A–es off about A Lot of stuff. The world that has been pulled over our eyes, as it were.

What region of Michigan do you inhabit? We live in the Metro Detroit zone & have family/travel options a couple places Up North…My husband & I lived in Gaylord during our early marriage w/ our 3 sons (eventually) & moved downstate when I was pregnant w/ our daughter, in her 20’s now. I’m originally from the Detroit area but lived in OK for a decade, where I met my husband…

I hope you manage to reconnect w/ your enlightening friend to thank him for his red pill efforts that have come to great fruition in your life, in God’s appointed time 🙂


I was scheduled to go down to Alabama in Spring, 2012 with a mutual friend for a visit with my 9/11 friend, but I had to back out last minute. Would probably still be welcomed to visit.

I live east of the Manitou Passage and not far from the east shore of Lake Michigan. My parents grew up in Lansing, and that is where most of my extended family lives.

Valerie Curren

My mom’s birth family comes from the Lansing-ish region, Ionia County area. Sounds like you live in a much more beautiful AND sane part of the Great Lakes State! Blessings!

Valerie Curren



If one chooses the slowest playback speed then does rapid clicks stop/start as the “plane” goes in. The beginning of the explosion appears to come from below the trajectory and very slightly too soon.


I thought something was off on the plane entry. Just hadn’t taken the time to look closer as you have.

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There are numerous flaws on the other plane strike, too.

NONE of this could be calmly debated when it happened. And our “CIA girl” shut down discussion of the anomalies promptly, which all of us were noting. I should have told her to go to hell that day.

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This is a great technique for spotting the problems in the footage, revealed by age.

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Yes, that is where their plan failed. SPEED OF LIGHT versus speed of the explosion.

They didn’t have to fake the explosion sounds – that’s all very real. But they could not anticipate that at their chosen angle, the very initial explosion would send a burst of light out through a WINDOW directly at the camera. Thus, when they did a “best fit” of the plane to the explosion (which was both REAL and REALLY FILMED), they could not get plane entry to perfectly match BOTH the LIGHT and the EXPLOSION.

They picked EXPLOSION and counted on psychology to deal with the light flash – that people would find plausible excuses for it.

This is actually a REALLY GOOD FIND.