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Dr. Elizabeth Bright
Elizabeth Bright DO, ND, a graduate of Columbia University, is a highly respected American Osteopath and Naturopath living in Italy. She is former Chef-owner of Coppi’s Organic and The Vigorelli Restaurants in Washington, D.C. She is a master in Chau Ka Kung Fu. She has been eating a high-fat carnivore diet and has been using it as a treatment modality since 2016.
She is the author of Good Fat is Good for Women: Menopause
Website: https://www.elizbright.com/
Dr. Elizabeth Bright—a renowned physician specializing in thyroid and adrenal health—reveals the pivotal role these small but mighty glands play in every stage of life, from before birth to your later years.
If you’ve ever been told your labs are “normal” but you still feel off, this book will open your eyes to the real science of your metabolism, energy, immune health, and stress resilience. [Amazon blurb]
FWIW from Brave AI
Osteopathic medicine is a distinct branch of medical practice in the United States that emphasizes a whole-person approach to healthcare, focusing on the interrelated unity of all body systems and the patient’s ability to self-heal. Doctors of Osteopathic Medicine (DOs) are fully licensed physicians who, like MDs, can prescribe medication, perform surgery, and specialize in any field of medicine.
A few tidbits of information relevant to the video I am featuring.
…it is known that bromated flour, which contains bromine, has been used in the USA since 1914. In 1982, researchers in Japan published the first of a series of studies showing that potassium bromate, a food additive used in baking bread, causes cancer in the thyroids, kidneys, and other body parts of rats and mice. As a result of these findings, countries around the world banned the additive, but the U.S. Food and Drug Administration held back, in part because the amount of potassium bromate that remains in bread after baking should be negligible.
Hubby, reminds me that King Arthur flour is unbleached & unbromated. I wonder if bromine is NOT listed because it is not in the ‘bread’ just in the flour used to make it AND the FDA held back, in part because the amount of potassium bromate that remains in bread after baking should be negligible.
Don’t Worry About Cholesterol; Inflammation Is Your Biggest Problem — The Liver Doctor
“… the vast majority of cholesterol in your body was made in your liver. Cholesterol production increases when the body is under stress: emotional stress can cause elevated cholesterol because the stress hormone cortisol is made out of cholesterol. Physical stress on the body can also elevate cholesterol.
Because cholesterol helps to repair and heal your body, you will produce more if there is a great deal of inflammation occurring in your body. So all those factors above that raise inflammation, can raise your cholesterol too…”
[worth reading the entire article. –GC]
33 minute Clip:
The SHOCKING TRUTH About Iodine! (Nobody Shares This) | Dr. Elizabeth Bright
Full Interview (1 hour 18 minutes):
Your Body Is BEGGING for Iodine (How Much You Actually Need) | Dr. Elizabeth Bright
ROUGH TRANSCRIPT of VIDEO.
I know this is very long so I am cutting out parts that do not directly impact the subject of iodine. The parts I think are really important or are novel such as A1 & A2 milk cows and dairy causing inflammation, I will use pulled quotes to highlight to make it easier to skim and get the meat of the article.
The person doing the interviewing is Jesse Chappus, a retired chiropractor. He is questioning Dr Bright. I am not going to go back thru and try to add the attributions. Hopefully the question marks will make it fairly clear.
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“Every single cell in the body needs iodine. Every tissue needs iodine. Iodine is an antibacterial, antifungal, antiviral. It’s a heavy metal chelator. It’s my shield. We use more nutrients when we’re in a state of stress. If your body’s fighting an infection that is a stress state, you need more iodine. It boosts your immune system. Your immune system needs iodine, the substances that interfere with the absorption of iodine. Fluoride, chloride, bromide. So that is really why people need to supplement, because they have been exposed to substances that prevent the absorption of iodine even if they can get in their food source, which they can’t really.
There are places in the world that have too much fluoride in the ground. Certain places in England. Where tea is grown [in] India, China. I don’t think there’s any way you can get away with drinking black tea, white tea, green tea… I lived in China, so I had access to the best teas in the world. I would consider all of them to be poison today.
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WAIT WHAT? My morning tea is full of fluoride? -GC
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The fluoride content in tea varies depending on the type of tea and the quality of the leaves used in its production. 135
- Black tea has the highest fluoride content among the types of tea. The average fluoride levels in black tea are 1.8 ppm, with the highest recorded levels reaching 4.2 ppm. 1
- Green tea also contains fluoride, with average levels of 1.3 ppm, but the highest levels recorded were 3.2 ppm, and the lowest were 0.7 ppm. 1
- Oolong tea has fluoride levels that are generally comparable to those recommended for the prevention of dental caries. 2
- White tea is likely to have less fluoride than other types of tea, as it is made from the buds and youngest leaves of the tea plant. 23
- Herbal teas do not contain fluoride. 1
The fluoride content in tea is not uniform. The plant stores the majority of environmental toxins and minerals in its older, mature leaves, which are used in cheap teas. These leaves are cheap, provide bulk, and produce a dark, strong liquor. However, they also act as a reservoir for fluoride. 3
The origin of tea and environmental factors, such as pollution, groundwater, air, and the soil in which it was grown, affect the amount of fluoride that accumulates in the plants. 5
Excessive fluoride consumption is linked to skeletal fluorosis, a condition that stiffens joints and compromises bone health. 34
REFERENCES
#1 Truth About Fluoride — Fluoride in tea: black, green, herbal (Search 357 teas) 2026 Update
“..On top of fluoride in tea being a large source, 94.9% of the fluoride in a cup of tea is directly available for the body to absorb.1…”
References for this article.
#a. https://scholar.google.com/scholar_lookup?journal=Turk+J+Chem&title=Determination+of+fluoride+in+various+samples+and+some+infusions+using+a+fluoride+selective+electrode&author=S+Tokal%C4%B1o%C4%9Flu&author=S+Kartal&author=U+Sahin&volume=28&publication_year=2004&pages=203-11&
- # b. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21593111
- # c. https://truthaboutfluoride.com/skeletal-fluorosis/
- # d. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/8470993_Fluoride_Content_in_Tea_and_Its_Relationship_with_Tea_Quality
- # e. https://foodrevolution.org/blog/natural-flavors/
- # f. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laneur/article/PIIS1474-4422(13)70278-3/fulltext
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#2 Tea | Linus Pauling Institute | Oregon State University
#3 NDTV Food The Truth About Fluoride In Your Tea, And The Simple Switch that makes it safer
#4 Fluoride Content of Tea – Fluoride Action Network
#5 Fluoride Content in Asian Produced Green Teas | JCDA
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Back to the transcript.
“The problem is that nobody’s doing the “Hakala Lab” tests. They’re all going to their local lab and they’re testing radioactive iodine. They’re all looking for Chernobyl. None of these iodine blood tests that you get are testing organic iodine. They’re testing for radioactive iodine.”
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That took a bit of looking but I found the “Hakala Lab” tests. — GC
Testing Services
Hakala Research offers easy and efficient ways to test your Iodine levels. Our three testing methods include:
- 24 Hour Urine Iodine Load/Challenge Test
- Spot Urine Iodine Test
- Combination Test (contains both the 24 hour and spot tests)
Each kit has the option to add bromide, fluoride, and/or chloride.
We are able to ship kits internationally (except to the UK).
If you are ordering a kit for a youth, under the age of 18, please call/email us or enter their age and weight in the comment section to receive correct load dose. We cannot analyze loading tests for children under the age of 12…
This test kit is available for purchase in all states, except New York and California.
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[Discussion about carnivore diet removed]
Not eating enough fat… Actually, women need more fat than males do to make more steroid hormones. …. I’m talking about adding additional fat to that meat because the fat is an anti inflammatory. So people who come to me have inflammation… So if somebody’s cooking up a steak, they’re putting say butter or tallow on top of that at the end. Say it’s ground beef and they’re making burger patties, same kind of thing, adding butter and tallow. …burgers are pre-digested in the sense that the blades that grind the meat have altered the protein somewhat. It’s not horrible. It’s just that the steak is going to have more nutrients. Because when you cook a steak, if you’re doing it medium, I’ve weighed it, when you do it medium rare, there’s 25% of the weight gone. Some of that is fat that stays in the pan or comes down into the grill tray and some of that is water soluble nutrients. So ground beef, you’re going to have fewer. It’s pre-digested in the sense that it has already gone through this process of being ground up.
….you brought seed oils in and you also talked about some of the quote unquote healthy plant fats such as coconut oil… I forget what specifically ones you covered there. But typically in that category would be like avocado oil, olive oil. I want to make sure we have a distinction there between the seed oils and those oils, because the seed oils are in a category of themselves that no matter what diet you’re on are considered toxic.
So seed oil soils are canola, peanut, it’s not even a seed. Those are the oils that we know are trans fats. These fat’s are very, very, very inflammatory.
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Sama Hoole agrees H/T Barb Meier comment LINK.
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The olive oil wouldn’t be inflammatory, but it’s not going to give you cholesterol. Avocado and coconut oil are not going to give you cholesterol. And the cholesterol, the molecule only comes from animals. But arguably, if you’re using your volume of food intake and calories with those other fats, you’re taking up valuable space that you could use for healthy animal fats that come along with cholesterol…
…There are some people who are so inflamed — or have an immune system which has turned autoimmune. The tiny amount of milk protein in the butter could be temporarily a source of inflammation for them. They will eventually put the butter back in when they are better because it’s really the dose of the poison. It’s the milk protein that is the issue for the immune system. Just like gluten, …your immune system is looking for proteins. It’s looking for viruses, it’s looking for bacteria. They’re all made out of protein. So if your immune system has become autoimmune because it’s so inflamed, it will mistaken that the small amount of milk protein in the butter [as an enemy] and cause you to be inflamed…
… I know in general you’re not a big fan of supplements, but would that be something you’d ever consider?
….You have to be careful with all supplements because they’re basically very potent, small amounts of things that we’re just supposed to get from our regular diet. As you said, there’s one liver and the rest of it is muscle meat in an animal that you kill.
…But one supplement you’re a huge fan of [is] iodine … I want to come back into that.
Iodine. There’s a lot of detail we can cover within this subject. For people at this point who aren’t supplementing with iodine, talk about the current landscape and what they’re not getting from the diet… and why iodine is so beneficial….The issue today that is more – concerning are the substances that interfere with the absorption of iodine. Fluoride, chloride, bromide. So that is really… why people need to supplement, because they have been – exposed to substances that prevent the absorption of iodine, even if they can get it in their food source, which they can’t really.
You mentioned the other halides and how they can get in the way of absorption of iodine. Where are those typically found?
Your toothpaste, water, if they’ve put fluoride in your water. Chlorine in the pool, bromide in my chair. Probably this fire retardant substances, fabrics, things like that. Car seats. People aren’t licking their car seats. I think it’s more the fluoride that’s in the water and “PFAS” [Perfluoroalkyl and Polyfluoroalkyl Substances -GC] which are in our water that we can’t escape. There’s “PFAS” in the Maldives, so where are we going to go? We can’t go anywhere… We shouldn’t be running for the hills. We should be taking iodine to prevent insufficiency.
And as you explain that, I can see this is a double negative where, the other halides are so apparent in today’s modern world, affecting our iodine absorption… And then the one halide that we want to get isn’t readily found in the food anymore. So it’s hitting it from both ends.
That’s correct… Iodine is an essential nutrient. Chloride, bromide and fluoride are absolutely not. Fluoride being the one that is highly touted as something that prevents your teeth from deteriorating. But this is not true. It was never proven. There’s actually evidence to the contrary,that it causes fluorosis and makes your teeth rot. Which is what the fluoride content. And actually natural water sources. Fluoride is a mineral that is in the ground. So there are places in the world that have too much fluoride in the ground. Certain places in England, [places] where tea is grown, India, China, those places, the well water is very, very rich in fluoride. And those are the people, those areas, [have] a lot of congenital hypothyroidism, —– dwarfish, low stature, I think is what you’re supposed to say today. And learning disabilities, and of course, goiter.
Let’s talk more about that tea please.
So the tea leaves are being grown in soil that contains fluoride. So the end product that is dried out and shipped and packaged. You’re getting that, when you steep your tea, you’re getting that put back into the water? Yes, yes. And the cheaper teas have more fluoride than the more expensive teas. They have an actual rating system of how much fluoride is in the tea. Brick tea, loose tea has a lot more fluoride than your more expensive brands. It’s kind of like selenium, Brazil nuts… People think that they’re going to get selenium from Brazil nuts. There are areas that have more selenium in the soil. And those trees, the nuts of those trees will have more selenium in them than the other ones. But tea, it has a certain acidity that people like with tea means there’s more fluoride in it. So they [are] actually augmenting the fluoride by breeding and things like that to have the tea have more fluoride in it, so it has more acidity in the flavor. [And if you think the Chinese are not doing that breeding on purpose I have a bridge for sale. –GC]
All right, so cheaper teas, more of an issue here… How big of a problem is this in general? And is there specific types of tea people can still drink and not worry about this?
No, it’s [tea is] poison. So it’s a huge problem. I actually gave this paper to somebody in the UK. An Irish researcher published a warning to his country because they have mandated fluoride in the water. And the Irish drink a ton of tea. So there’s a huge rate of learning disabilities, fluorosis, fractured bone, osteoporosis, et cetera, et cetera, — everything that fluorosis causes, in Ireland. So I don’t think there’s any way you can get away with drinking black tea, white tea, green tea… I lived in China, so I had this access to the best teas in the world. None of them. I would consider all of them to be poison today.
…For somebody that’s been drinking a lot of tea in the past, is there a way to test to see how much of it’s accumulated in the body?.. And also, can you test teas for somebody that’s in love with their tea right now, doesn’t want to give it up and wants to just see if their particular blend, this is an issue for, even though it’s such a big issue in general. Can we test the tea? Can we test the body?
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The teas have been tested. See Fluoride In Tea: Black, Green, Herbal (Search 357+ Teas) | 2026 Update
Fluoride in tea is one of the most forgotten and largest sources of fluoride. Some teas can even have 6 times the amount of fluoride when compared to tap water. So to find out which teas are safest, I tested 357+ teas for fluoride. And below you can search the results, learn how to avoid it and everything else about fluoride in tea.
If you love tea and have the cash to spare, go to the website and leave him a tip. – GC
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You can test the body. You can test the fluoride, bromide and chloride content in your urine and test the iodine. How much iodine is not able to come in because of these halides blocking the absorption of iodine. “Hakala Labs” in the US does that 24 hour urine uptake. You collect your urine for 24 hours, after ingesting 50 milligrams of iodine. You collect the urine, they test it and they give you… the results of how much bromide, the toxicity of halides, [are] in your urine, in your system. The teas, this Irish paper, actually I have found, — all the brands, he went through all the Irish brands that are popular.
… I have a couple of papers from China that did test the fluoride, not in particular teas. Yes, in teas. I actually have, because there’s Anhui province and there’s different provinces that- they did test…
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[So China is well aware of the fluoride problem in the teas and yet they are breeding teas that will increase the uptake of fluoride from the water. –GC]
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Any other plants that are prone to this, taking the fluoride and… concentrating it in the product?
“Tea is the worst one. Yes.
So coffee, not an issue?
Coffee, not an issue.
No other plants people are eating? Well, there are plants that prevent the absorption of iodine… Brassica, cauliflower, Brussels sprouts, kale, all those plants, that whole family of plants, they figured that out because the farmer went to check his rabbits and they were all eating cabbage leaves and they all had little goiters… The scientists went there and isolated basically what is in today’s antithyroid medication — from these plants. So it prevents, it is a antithyroid medication. Antithyroid substance because it prevents the absorption of iodine. So in my book, “Good Fat Is Good For Girls, Puberty and Adolescents”, I actually do list more – foods that we eat. Oatmeal is another one that prevent the absorption of iodine.
Any others you can think of off the top of your head?
Flaxseeds.
… Let’s talk about why iodine is so important.
Every single cell in the body needs iodine. Every tissue needs iodine. So your adrenals need iodine, your salivary gland, — the male’s prostate. Not just the thyroid. Female uterus, ovaries, breast tissue. – Every mucus bearing tissue has a ton of iodine in it. So your intestinal [tract]. — The microbiome stuff that people are always talking about. Not going to happen if you don’t have adequate iodine — in your intestinal mucus. Iodine is an antibacterial, antifungal, antiviral. It’s a heavy metal chelator. That’s why I said it’s my shield. The thyroid takes a minimum of 6mg. The breasts in females take 5mg. Can’t remember how much the prostate takes. I would consider any cyst in these tissues, any growth, any inflammation due to iodine deficiency.
And from last time we talked, the ideal dose of “Lugol’s,” as you recommend the “Lugol’s.” For maintenance, was two drops of 5% per day.Is that still correct?
Maintenance after you have. Yes, if you have had. I have women who come to me with swollen lymph glands. – Fibroids in their uterus. I will have them douche with iodine… So you’re actually getting it closer to the tissue that needs the iodine. If you’re taking it orally, that’s why “Lugol’s” is better, because it’s much more easily absorbed. You’re taking it… Everybody’s going to fight about the iodine if you are severely deficient. So sometimes it’s better to just get it. People paint their breasts with iodine.
And when it comes to time of day to take it, does it matter?
Is it better earlier on in the day? With food? just details on to best absorb it.
. I would say earlier in the day we are supposed to peak between 6 and 9. All our hormones kind of peak at that time. So you’re waking up bright eyed and bushy tailed to greet the day. I would take what you need in the morning. There are people who have inflamed thyroids that might react to the two drops that I’m saying you should take. So then you need to see if you’ve got nodules or thyroid antibodies.
Explain that in greater detail. What you’re saying there is if somebody already has a problem in the thyroid, if they activate that by taking “Lugol’s,” they might run into problems because of that. Otherwise iodine isn’t something we need to worry about. The kidneys will remove excess, correct?
Correct. Now imagine the tissue that has been devoid for a long time. So that could be the uterus, that could be the ovaries, that could be, the breast tissue. But usually the thyroid, because the thyroid is all follicular. Every part of the thyroid is working. The follicles are always there to make hormones. So breast tissue is not that way, uterus is not that way, prostate is not that way. So if it hasn’t had the iodine, if it’s kind of hunkered down and it hasn’t been producing adequate thyroid hormone because it doesn’t have enough iodine and it has maybe grown an extra piece, expanding itself trying to get more iodine. That extra piece or that inflamed thyroid will sit up and take notice and scream at you.
And how will somebody know if that’s the case?
Palpitations. They might have hyperthyroid symptoms, but they desperately need the iodine anyway. So then we do a detox.
Okay, so let’s say somebody finds out they have one of these nodules, they need to stop taking the dose you’re recommending here. How do they, or can they go about healing that?
They can definitely go about healing that [nodules]. I always recommend they do the salt loading protocol by taking… a small amount, one drop of iodine in a glass of half teaspoon of salt, and a little glass of water, followed by a whole bigger glass of water until they have to urinate. Because this is the way that the iodine will attack and the salt will pull the other halides out of the system. And so that’s a detox.
Dr Bright
Iodine becomes vapor if it’s attached to salt. Okay, so is that more a protocol for somebody that’s new to iodine?
I was getting at the person that has some kind of growth on the thyroid, and then they’re having a problem taking the iodine.
What you just explained there seems like a flush for anybody that wants to… basically get everything to ground zero. “Mmmhmm.” The part you just explained there, is that for everybody or just somebody with a nodule?
No, I think it’s for everybody, but definitely somebody with a nodule because they are — not able to have, their system is already so — deficient in iodine — that part of — their tissue might react. So it’ll start working. — And just it starting working can possibly make every single organ in the body. The heart is very much. So epinephrine is always telling the heart, the rhythm to beat. Right. And that comes from thyroid hormone. So if all of a sudden there’s more thyroid hormone than your body has ever dealt with, hasn’t dealt with in decades, everybody kind of has to get in line and figure out how to use that hormone again. It’s like resistance.
Okay. So, yes, it is a flush. And what I’m talking about is addressing also resistance to the hormone that is made. But for somebody with a nodule on the thyroid doing the flush, will that physical nodule dissipate over time?
Over time, but not just with the flush, but definitely over time, you have to remove inflammation. You have to make the autoimmune…
This is an autoimmune state, right?
So the immune system is actually attacking it. There’s a combination of… the thyroid is expanded in order to get more iodine, the thyroid also, has got scabs on its knees. — It’s being attacked by antibodies. You don’t have to have positive antibodies to have an inflamed thyroid. So the inflammation, they could just look at an ultrasound and tell you that you’ve got speckled thyroid tissue. The fact that there it’s hyper-vascularized. That is the definition of inflammation. Your antibodies might be negative, but your thyroid tissue is inflamed so… an anti-inflammatory diet, removing carbohydrates, et cetera will definitely help that too. It’s crucial.
From people you’ve worked with, do you find somebody with a nodule, most cases can remedy that without surgery then?
Yes, absolutely. What is difficult to remedy without surgery, just like somebody who maybe has a foot long fibroid. Right. So there is a point where you can teach the body tissue, anomalous tissue to regress. There is also a point of no return. A very large goiter may need surgery. It’s kind of hard to make that tissue that has become also calcified to some extent to regress. But definitely… all of my patients, goiter is more difficult. A very large softball size goiter is going to be very difficult. But inflamed thyroids, smaller goiters, they’ve all regressed. And nodules, they regress.
Essentially, is a goiter, just a nodule that’s grown out of hand?
Both. It’s also the — thyroid itself enlarges. All the follicular tissue will enlarge. So inflammation. Now “Hashimoto’s” is the lymph tissue in the thyroid is swollen. Okay. So we know if there’s a small nodule, good possibility following… doing flushing and the lifestyle we’re talking about today, they could reverse it.
If somebody has a full on goiter, can they reverse that naturally or no?
It depends on the size. It really depends on the size. — A very large goiter that has become calcified.
How can you?
You can’t. — — That’s why they do the ecogenic testing. They send sound waves to the thyroid to see how fast the sound wave comes back. If it comes back very fast it’s hard, it’s calcified. If it comes back slowly, it went “voof” into the thyroid which is just a big bloody mass of follicular tissue. So you want it to be a big bloody sponge.
If it’s got hard pieces on it that are calcified, how can you. — You can regress a cystic vascular mass. You can’t regress a hardened piece of tissue. Makes sense. So for somebody in that case where it’s just earlier stages, there’s nodules forming, but they’re small, they’re still in hope that they can reverse. You mentioned that protocol with the salt. Are they doing that daily along with the lifestyle or how often would they do that?
No, they’re just doing that for a week and sometimes they get diarrhea because stuff comes out. I have… many teenagers now who have thyroid nodules. Nobody’s checking kids because they’re just looking at “TSH.” So you can have rheumatism, you can have other autoimmune conditions, and they’re not going to look for it because — they don’t associate… those conditions with thyroid issues like I do. So if you are 70 years old, — it may take more time to – change this tissue that you’ve had… Because most people, most women become hypothyroid because of adolescence, which is what my second book is about.
Dr Bright
odine is so necessary to have a healthy puberty, both male and female, but really, really important in female. But by the same token, I have more and more males today as patients. As I said, I have adolescents, pubertal young people who have thyroid issues. If you look at how the body has tried to heal since you were 12 and you’re 70. We’ll do the best we can. But if you have a softball sized goiter, I don’t think that we can make it shrink.
For somebody right now who is a young adult feeling healthy, but they haven’t been supplementing with iodine to this point. It sounded like, but I want you to confirm doing that flush would be a good idea for them as well? And if so, how many times, if they’re not suffering right now?
I have a lot of people’s kids. — – The flush is… you could do…
My son is going to go to a pool because he hurt his back and mom is an osteopath, but she’s not in Athens. So he’s been given some exercises by an osteopath locally and he’s going to go to a pool. And I said, honey, triple your iodine intake because he’s going to go in the chlorine pool.
So I would say that… it sort of depends on the situation. It depends on your environment. – But what I’m talking about with females is that we are parents are now conscious of precocious puberty. We know that precocious puberty is bad for adulthood. There are mental health implications involved. Iodine supplementation as a child is important to prevent that.
So you gave that example there of your son going into a pool, upping his shield of iodine before going in. I would assume that would translate to any situation where somebody is going to come in contact with a lot of halides, if knowingly they’re going to be doing that, they want to up their iodine beforehand?
Yeah. And I do it when I travel. Any infection… — I have a cold. – Double your iodine. Because iodine, all nutrients… disappear. We use more nutrients when we’re in a state of stress. If your body’s fighting an infection that is a stress state, you need more iodine. And then it’s also an antibacterial, antiviral. So that’s great. It helps. It boost your immune system. Your immune system needs iodine. So, – we regularly travel and when we travel, we take more iodine. And then if somebody has a cold.
I talked to my daughter today, my grandson has a cold and.. she’s nursing him. Honey, it’s not enough for him to get the iodine from your breast milk. Get him to have a couple of drops of iodine. He’s two years old. Okay.
How young can somebody start to take… iodine orally?
Well, I’ll just say my grandson is going to be two in January. He needs iodine. So I want her to somehow get [it into him.]. We were trying to figure [it] out. Brainstorm how to get it in him because he doesn’t drink juice. He’s getting it from her breast milk, but not adequately. — She’s very busy. There’s — stress and – she’s, I don’t know, she can put it on a piece of meat.
Right. But what I’m getting at is you mentioned two and you wanted him to get some. But for a baby, like newborns, should they be supplementing or do they get enough through the breastmilk?
No, no, no, no. – My daughter has been taking a lot of iodine and he’s had enough, Babies who are nursing. but he’s now older and he’s eating more regular foods… So nursing is enough.
So through childhood, say somebody ends breastfeeding at 3, they’re eating solids. The parents are aware of what we’re talking about today and want to make sure they’re getting enough iodine into the kid. We talked about that two drop dose, but that’s for adults… Is that a good dose for kids as well?
I would say one drop. But again, like I said before, highlighting the fact that the kidneys can remove excess.
There is so much fear around iodine.
That’s why I want to get into the nuance here. It is a water soluble nutrient. So it’s not like vitamin D, it’s not like vitamin A. It’s not like, except for selenium. You can be toxic in selenium. That’s why I don’t recommend supplementing. But iodine is a water soluble nutrient. And all my books from the 40s and 50s measured the kidneys. They measured, they checked, they tested people’s urine. So they did all this research for us that tells us that iodine excess comes out in the urine. And the problem is that nobody’s doing the “Hakala Lab” tests.
They’re all doing the local lab and they’re testing radioactive iodine. They’re all looking for Chernobyl. None of these iodine blood tests that you get are testing organic iodine. They’re testing for radioactive iodine.
For somebody like you that’s been on iodine for a long period of time, you’re fully topped up… Do you ever do that salt protocol that you talked about?
I haven’t in years, no. No. I stopped drinking tea. I did it when I. — Years ago, I was drinking a lot of tea. I was going back and forth to China. No, I don’t need to do that.
Okay, so you already talked about a week. If somebody has nodules, they would want to incorporate that. And then for somebody who is a healthy adult about to begin an iodine protocol like you’re talking about here. Would they just want to do that salt protocol one or two times to flush everything out?
I put it on the protocol because most of my patients are drinking, a lot of them are drinking tea. In the US it’s iced tea. They think that it’s healthier than coffee. They write decaf tea. So that’s why I put it on their protocol because we got to get rid of the halides from the tea… I had a patient from Kazakhstan. — The iodine content in the soil of where this person was from. People from Michigan. I’m gonna. Okay, yeah, — maybe you need more. Maybe that’s why. My family’s from Tennessee. The mountains are devoid of iodine. It’s sort of a regular thing that I have people do now. It’s not some people, as I said, they get diarrhea. – – Some people don’t want to do it for a week. One person asked to do it for less because they were afraid of the salt. You have this whole hypertension fear that also comes with salt. –
A whole other — context. We talked about best time to take it, it sounded like that would be sometime in the morning. What about spreading the dosage out throughout the day?.. 2 drops, say taking one in the morning, one around dinner time. Any advantage there?
I don’t see it.
Any advantage including that in the food of a pet?
Definitely… You know that “J Crow’s” is geared towards animals anyway. They don’t want you to think that they’re selling it to human beings for horses. Right. — We know that there are tons.
Hypothyroidism is huge in pets today, dogs and cats, because of what we’re feeding them. I used to give my dog iodine. For somebody who has… autoimmune thyroid issues, “Hashimoto’s” specifically, there is a lot of fear. There’s already fear about taking iodine in general… And then there’s another additional layer for people in that category.
When you’re working with someone with “Hashimoto’s” is the protocol any different with iodine?
Dr Bright
No. And I explain all of this. I go into – – I’ve researched all of this and I explain in my article on my articles page about why there’s this fear today. “Theodor Kocher” won the Nobel Prize in, I don’t know, 1911, and he had a reaction to sodium iodide. He might have also been taking who knows what other kinds of stuff. So he kind of started the anti-iodine thing. He’s the one who associated iodine taking iodine with hyperthyroidism. At the same time, every single physician was giving iodine to their patients. And then they all of a sudden stopped. Because he was a big guy, he just won a Nobel Prize. Everybody thought, oh, and people complained, other, other doctors complained that now iodine has been given a bad rap. And then they started using it again… to calm down patients when they were calmed down. Actually, it’s associated with hyperthyroidism. When they were cutting out people’s goiter, they would give them a ton of iodine to… make the heart not beat too hard. So it came back into favor clinically. But unfortunately, these were surgeons who love cutting stuff out and they were still geared towards cutting out goiters rather than healing them. So we have documentation of somebody like “Krile” saying — people who have… inflamed thyroids, give them iodine and natural desiccated thyroid. And it will shrink. So I have to go into all this. There’s so much… documentation that I have to explain when we talk about this and I do that in my articles.
Does somebody need to ease into it though more if they have “Hashimoto’s” taking the iodine?
Dr Bright
No, no. Your thyroid is inflamed. Remove the carbohydrates, remove the tea. Remove all these things that you’re doing… Maybe you’re running, maybe you’re doing “CrossFit,” maybe you’re all those things that are raising cortisol levels will also cause your immune system not to function properly. It’s not the iodine. Everybody has to take iodine.
Okay. I just thought there might be some nuance there with dosages and easing in and somebody who is, their thyroid’s under attack and at least has a certain amount of damage at that point.
Some people have symptoms and some people don’t… Some people have positive antibodies and they don’t have. They don’t react to the iodine. I’ve had patients react to the iodine with palpitations who had no antibodies. It really goes with, you have to address each case individually. There’s not a hard and fast rule for people because some people don’t react and some people overreact. And then we do the flush and then we go very slowly because of resistance.
Are there any other supportive nutrients somebody wants to make sure they’re getting with the iodine that complement that as they’re turning their thyroid back on?
No, they’re all in food. So you have this famous co factors of selenium and zinc and “yada,” “yada,” “yada.” I’m sorry, I don’t think any of that’s necessary if you’re eating steak because all of those are more bioavailable in the ruminant meat that you’re eating.
Okay. Important caveat there though, for somebody who is eating the way you’re talking about, which for a lot of people is extreme and won’t be going to that level. “Mmmhmm.” “Mmmhmm.” Which is fine.
ZINC & SELENIUM
Everybody has their own journey. Sure, sure. And yeah, it’s for them to decide. But I just think it’s important we highlight that’s if you’re consuming a carnivore diet, which is heavy in ruminant animals. Well, the thing is that supplements can be toxic. So selenium is very easily toxic. I talk about in my book “Good Fat Is Good For Girls.” — You need a lot less selenium. Selenium it is 200 micrograms is usually what people are taking or told to take, and — that’s too much because selenium is easily toxic and too much selenium actually prevents the thyroid from making hormone. So I just don’t like supplements because you’re getting this huge, — it’s like taking a club to your nutrition rather than allowing your body to decide, I’ll go to the market and say, I’ll have a little bit of this, I’ll have a little bit of that. I’ll need a little bit of this. And it’s in the form that the body recognizes rather than hitting it over the top of the head with – 100 milligrams of zinc. This ties back to what we talked about before with the organs, where if you’re consuming those in supplement form, you might be pushing a lot more in the body than needed.
VITAMIN D
Yes. I wanted to talk about vitamin D. We got into this last time and listening back afterwards, I realized I needed clarification, so I’m sure other people do as well. You’re not a fan of supplementing with it. You don’t feel the sun has anything to do with our level of vitamin D in the body.
Right. Well, let’s start there because it’s an underlying assumption by basically everybody that vitamin D, our main source is sunlight. Talk about where we got that wrong. We got that wrong when they took away our fat. So nobody was making you stand outside getting a half an hour of sun on your skin pre 1980s… you can go to “Ngram Viewer” and look up this stuff, see when it started to be written about, when it started. I do that all the time with things. – Inuits don’t have vitamin D deficiencies. They don’t have — illnesses that are associated with low vitamin D because if they don’t go and eat “Pringles” from the store that people brought — they are living on seal and it’s very fatty animal. That vitamin D is a fat soluble nutrient that comes from the food they’re eating. It’s all very new. And the 70 the magic number 70 that I’ve learned in school is not. I don’t think you need that much. Most of you have to remember, most people are coming to me knowing that I’m a thyroid specialist. They probably have thyroid issues. Most of them do. And if you are hypothyroid, you can’t synthesize nutrients anyway… So you need adequate thyroid function to be able to turn that animal fat into vitamin D.
Okay. A lot more I want to get into within this to make sure I fully understand. So are we saying that vitamin D, which I would totally agree with, you can get it through at least certain foods, but are you saying that the sun can’t provide vitamin D or it’s just not what we should rely on?
Okay, so the sun hits the lipids on our skin and that is supposed to turn it into vitamin D3. The synthesis that happens through… lipids. Okay, so, – — it actually doesn’t work that way… It may work that way. It’s sort of a backup plan because nobody’s eating fat. If you’re not eating fat, maybe. I’m in the sun all the time. – If I weren’t in the sun all the time in Scotland, for instance, I’m not going to be eating vitamin D. Most people say, oh, I’m taking vitamin D seasonally because of the sun. I haven’t looked it up recently, but I’m sure if I did a deep dive into it, I could tell you the year just like I did with folate. We don’t need folate either. The year that they started… pushing this through. I’m sure this came after the cholesterol hypothesis, because the only way you can get vitamin D, vitamin A, any fat soluble nutrient, is if you eat that damn cholesterol.
Okay, the way I understood it before talking to you, we can get vitamin D, obviously from a supplement. We can get it through certain foods and then we can get it through the sun. And the way I’ve looked at it is when I’m not getting sunlight here in Ontario in the wintertime, I need to be upping… through supplementation or foods, vitamin D so my body has that. And I’m still a little bit gray here. It sounds like you’re not saying you can’t get vitamin D from the sun. It’s just not our primary source. Do I have that?
Dr Bright
Right, it’s not our primary source. Yeah, it’s not as efficient. There are plenty of people who don’t live in the sun who eat a lot of animal fat, who don’t have vitamin D issues. Fluoride causes vitamin D deficiency… You can’t just isolate one factor and blame everything on it. Well, I can. Thyroid, I can blame everything on hypothyroidism, on thyroid dysfunction, but again, it’s a little bit more complicated. And supplements, isn’t it better to get it from your food? — We know that omega-3 — the sardines, the whatever… I don’t trust anybody’s vats and vats of oil… becoming rancid and then put it in these little capsules. I’m suspicious of that. If you can get it from your food I would recommend that.
Me too… But I just want to make sure people are covered depending on their unique situation. So I think we’re on the same page now where sun can be a factor. And you’re just saying that you lean into the food source. An area I want to dig into a bit more in that, because if you do a “Google” search, foods that are high in vitamin D, it’s going to give you this list. – I’m assuming by the way you responded there, you’re not thinking we need to be that nuanced and search out these specific top foods to get it. You’re just eating your animal fats and that’s gonna cover you.
Absolutely. Because you do a “Google” search, it is predisposed toward the cholesterol hypothesis. You’re never gonna find [anything], unless you do the deep dives that I do in my research. [BOY, Ain’t that the truth! — GC]
On face value [from google], – stay in the sun, avoid animal fat. – So you’re not gonna find… those top foods that you find, it’s a crock. All Italians gravitate to the sun in the summer and they all think they’re getting tons of iodine. And all of my Italian patients that I had when I had a big practice, open practice before “COVID” they were iodine deficient… So, — it’s like that. —
Are you talking about vitamin D or iodine?
I was just mentioning iodine because people think that if you live by the sea, you can absorb the iodine.
Got it. Okay. But given we need to work with where people are at… somebody in Ontario, not getting sun throughout the winter, not eating the way you’re recommending. And even maybe they are eating a lot of animals, it’s just not to the carnivore extreme. Could you see an importance for vitamin D supplementation, if they’re eating say an animal based diet, but still including some carbs and they need that little bump to keep their vitamin D in a good range?
I would question why they need that bump. — I would say — they should eat enough fat because that’s the most bioavailable and healthy source. I’m a bit of a hard ass… But I think that obviously if you can’t eat, if you live in Ontario, I’m going to live in Scotland half the year, the sun is not going to shine very much. I will not consider taking vitamin D because I eat a lot of fat. But I think that you can eat some carbohydrates. I think that then we’re gonna, we might veer off into the Randle effect, [Randle Cycle] I don’t know. But if you have adequate animal fat and you’re taking iodine and you have the ability to make, turn that fat into vitamin D, vitamin A, vitamin K, vitamin E, then there’s no need to supplement. So I don’t know, if you refuse to eat animal fat, definitely you should supplement.
Okay, so for your ideal diet, high in animal fat, moderate protein. No carbohydrates. Talk about the protein piece and how, if it does, how that changes, the amount of that macro people are getting, at different stages of healing.
Initially because fat is anti inflammatory, you gotta make the hormones out of cholesterol… So we know that excess protein turns into glucose. If you can’t metabolize that protein into, I’m not going to show my muscles. But if you get into muscles and into enzymes and all the things that protein is needed for it’s just going to turn into glucose. We can only metabolize glucose or ketones. So I definitely dial down the protein to moderate in a healing state. Because most ill health is inflammation.
Other than diet, what are the biggest areas that in the modern world we’re being impacted negatively by inflammation?
I think that we are… over exercising. – Stress. I think that stress will definitely put a dent in our, it can turn an immune system autoimmune very easily because… cortisol causes inflammation. High cortisol levels cause inflammation. So we can go into all kinds of substances that people take from synthetic hormones to over exercising to foods that trigger inflammation. All of that will affect. So that’s still diet. Sorry. But yeah, stress, definitely over exercising, definitely. Pollution.
What are some of the safeguards, I know you filter your water, but what are some of the things in your environment at home you do to protect against environmental toxins?
Take iodine that’s my shield.
And what dose are you taking daily?
I’m taking six drops of 5% daily. Have been for a long time.
Any specific reason, previous health challenges? Because that’s more than you’re recommending to others.
I want a big shield. Because I don’t run for the hills. I’m falling in the “Adriatic.” Who knows those fishing boats and the crap that their engines are spilling into the water. – Because I know it comes out in my urine, if it’s too much. I take 12 drops when I’m traveling. Last time we got into testing a little bit.
You talked about two tests that you would do with people. One being thyroid, another being salivary cortisol. Let’s talk about a thyroid panel and get into details there because there’s thyroid panels that your doctor will do, and then there’s additional things that can be added. What do you think is really important there?
Free “T3” and free “T4.” And if you have inflammation, the thyroid antibodies. The two… that I recommend are antithyroid peroxidides and antithyroglobulin. Unfortunately, statistically more people have positive antithyroid peroxidase. And I’ve had patients ask for both, and they absolutely refuse to do both, to test both. And they also have a situation where once the antibodies are positive, they won’t test again… because they don’t believe that you can make them go down, you can bring them into remission, which my patients do all the time. You even have labs that say above a thousand in somebody who’s pregnant who needs to get those antibodies down, they don’t know we can’t see them go down. They have to go to a special lab to ask for the actual number. They don’t even bother because they assume that there’s nothing can be done. They can’t be reduced, they can’t go into remission.
Different people you’ve worked with over the years, following what we talked about today, the diet as the base, supplementing with iodine. What different chronic health conditions have you seen or reversed?
Thyroid cancer, — schizophrenia, —– many.
Anything that you found is particularly resistant to all this?
Weight loss. Some people, it takes a long time… I’m not really focused on weight loss. A lot of people are focused on weight loss. I’m more focused on getting the body healthy. So depression will go away for some people, before the 20 pounds that they’re trying to lose.
For the person out there… feeling like I’ve been stuck with weight loss, this sounds interesting, but you’re telling me to consume copious amounts of fat. How am I ever going to burn the fat on my body? Give them some reassurance there.
Well, when I give them a protocol, it’s for their structure so I’m not counting calories. I’m giving them the quantity of protein that they need for their structure and the quantity of fat that they need for their energy. It’s not calories in calories out there is a certain amount of nutrition, energy you would say that you need in adolescence. And somebody who’s six foot tall needs a lot more than somebody who’s five foot tall. But when you are in ketosis, which you will be, you will be burning your own body fat. But if you go out and run a marathon, you’re not going to burn any body fat. Because you can eat nothing and not burn any fat, because your body is holding onto that fat because it thinks you’re in danger.
And for you, the big tool to… provide the input, to calm the body, is this high fat diet.
Yeah, absolutely, [it] reduces stress.
For somebody, again, thinking about heading into what we’re talking about today, but this is a big leap. They’ve been having a more standard type diet and they’re thinking about all the saturated fat they’re gonna consume by eating this way. And they’re thinking conventional, which we’ve all been told saturated fat causes all kinds of heart disease, health complications. Help put their mind to rest.
Dr Bright
Well, saturated fat is cholesterol, so we know that, — that’s what I’ve written about in my books. Saturated fat. — Cholesterol prevents depression. Avoiding saturated fat, – people who have low cholesterol levels are more at the risk of depression. They’re more at the risk of mental health issues. – – So, — everything in our body needs – cholesterol. It’s an anti inflammatory, it’s a source of our brain tissue, it’s a source of our nerve tissue, it’s a source of our energy and it’s a source of our steroid hormones. So our entire endocrine system, steroids, hormones are made out of cholesterol. So if you’re avoiding something that you need so much, we are human because we started eating… so much animal fat. Our brain grew bigger because we ate animal fat. More animal fat. This is documented. You kind of have to take a… I don’t want to say a leap of faith, but if it’s only been, I’m 62, it’s only been since 1984… that everybody has told you because it wasn’t until that “Time” cover story with the unhappy face, — the bacon bad and the eggs bad, that everybody started avoiding cholesterol. Before that, it was after “Ancel Keys,” the cholesterol hypothesis, heart disease was supposedly caused by this. But that is really the time if you look at pictures of people at “Jones” beach, on the beaches, that is really the time that you see and you have to think that was only what is it, 60 years ago, that is not history.
Because this diet is so radically different from what the average person is eating right now. Give us some ideas of meals and what a typical day could look like for somebody.
Well, it depends if you’re six feet tall, but I’m five foot seven and a half. I eat, I have decaf with butter and egg yolk and then I go paddleboarding and then I come back and I do protocols and then I eat, – I don’t know, 150, 200 grams of steak — with some butter on it. And then I work. And then for dinner I have the same thing. So for me, I may have run and have some beef jerky during the day between calls. – But that’s — fine for me. Somebody might want more, somebody might want more chicken. Somebody might want bacon. If I could get bacon, I would eat it. I can’t get bacon. So I like bacon. It’s yummy, but I can’t get it, so I’m not going to bother. – I remember I put together for my height, a pound of meat and 4 ounces of butter just to make it visual.
And because your diet is so limited in diversity, are you still excited about your meals?
Oh yeah, I am. – I am, I am. I don’t think the variety. I love how I feel and I’m hungry when I go eat, so I’m very happy to eat. I love my decaf with a froth of butter this thick in the morning. I may have one again… at 11 if I did 8k like I did yesterday on the paddleboard. So… yeah, I’m definitely excited about my meals. But I’m excited about life. Meals just fuel…
Fuel, so you can live the life? So for you, drink wise, you have your decaf fatty coffee, you filter your water. Any other drinks in there for fun?
Sometimes I’ll have a half a shot of bourbon. Like, this much.
And is that purely for fun or do you think there’s certain benefits or negative side effects?
That’s just for fun. It’s small enough. Oh my God. No benefits at all. – But as I said, it’s such a small amount. If I had more, I’d turn red. — — I would flush. It would cause a vasomotor reaction. It would cause a hot flash because of the cortisol produced by alcohol being a stimulant.
Let’s talk about sleep and how you prioritize that. I’m assuming you must, given the fact, the thesis of — everything you’re working on through diet and lifestyle is to… bring down the sympathetic and bring up the parasympathetic system, the rest and digest. How do you look at sleep and how do you make sure you’re getting best sleep possible?
I go to bed early, go to bed about 9. I read. 8:30, 9:00, latest 9:30… I have fat before I go to sleep so I can tone down. We know that cholesterol actually can increase… parasympathetic tone. As an osteopath, parasympathetic and sympathetic have to be in balance, so that’s very much a part of my training. And the magic of learning how to do it with food, with fat, it was really an epiphany for me, which is what I did when I went into menopause at 52. So I give myself fat. I have obviously, if we’re going to go for a trip or I have something very stressful coming up. If I wake up in the middle of the night, I have fat in my fridge. I just grab it and eat it and I go right back to sleep.
And what will that fat snack look like whether it’s before bed or middle of the night? Just a piece of butter or something simple, I assume.
Piece of butter on a meat cookie or… some of that tallow that I have from the leftover after I’ve given the gelatin to my daughter. There’s that big thing of fat, that’s tallow. Yeah. I’ll salt it and put salt. Yeah, just salt… I’ll freeze it and I’ll cut it into chunks and I’ll just leave it there.
One thing I want to mention too, tying iodine into the sleep piece. You don’t want to have your iodine right before bed. I’ve done that before and it does stimulate you. So you want to be careful. Yeah, it’ll wake up your thyroid… Your thyroid will be like, oh, let’s make hormone, it’s the morning…
Any areas in the last number of years that you’ve really taken a pivot on or changed your mind on things?
DAIRY [This is a whole new rabbit hole! – GC]
I actually republished my “Good Fat is Good for Women: Menopause” book because… the snacks had cheese… And I decided that if people had – menopausal symptoms because of the inflammation and because of their adrenal issues, they definitely had to take out the dairy, which causes inflammation because of the xenomorphins.
Okay, we did talk about dairy last time, but since it’s brought up again, I want to get into it a bit more here. Is this all dairy or just cow dairy?
Not butter. Not butter. — No, not butter, yeah. Oh,”A2,” “A1” you’re talking about. Well, just different… There’s a lot of people in the health space that won’t have cow dairy, but they’ll have sheep or goat. Right. It’s “A2.” There is a lot of variables.
Well, that’s “A2.” But you can also have “A2” of cows milk as well.. There’s a lot of nuance and we got into again some of this last time. But are we talking about all dairy or are there certain details or types within that that we can still have?
I think if you’re on fire, you can’t have any dairy. You can have butter because we know that buttermilk is where all the proteins go. Unless you are so sensitive that you need to make ghee and you see the teeny tiny bit of milk protein and lactose come to the top. None of this has to do with lactose. It’s all about proteins. – So the more inflamed you are, you should not have any kind of dairy. So you can have Guernsey, Jersey. Those places in England, they have the breeds of cows that are”A2.” Senegal… Certain cows, yes, they are “A2,” but there is still a small quantity of casinomorphins in that. So there’s more in the regular, that breed that most cow milk is, but there’s a — smaller amount in the “A2” goat, sheep, Jersey, Guernsey breeds. Now, if you are on fire. I don’t recommend it at least for a certain amount of time, until the fires have been put out.
Did you personally notice a difference in your health when you took dairy out?
I did. My digestion was better, my husband’s breath was better. —– Yeah. And then I read Keith Woodford’s book “Devil in the Milk.”
Talk more about what that brought up for you?
Dr Bright
Just reading about how heart disease, diabetes things that we basically, he explains that all chronic, most chronic diseases are because we’re drinking “A1” milk. So he’s an Australian and or actually New Zealand, I don’t know, anyway, but he’s talking mostly about how they actually prevented in Australia, the ability for people to have access to “A2” milk, even though it was so much more documented, so much healthier for people.
So throughout our conversation, the two big targets that we’re honing in on, cortisol through stress, we want to bring that down. Inflammation. Given the focus in on inflammation, we talked about testing before, do you see any value in doing a test to look at overall inflammation and getting a number there to work from?
No. I recommend doing salivary cortisol, a diurnal salivary cortisol test, because your inflammation, you can do the “CRP,” you can do, it doesn’t matter. Once you fix the cortisol, once you’ve removed obstacles to your healing, all those will come into line. They will come in. —– You have to reduce the inflammation. So I don’t recommend testing. It’s just like, I recommend testing the thyroid and recommend testing salivary cortisol. And when you fix those things, everything else will just kind of come into line. So… there’s no reason to pay all this money for these other tests.
Elizabeth, really enjoyed round two, getting into some details on a lot of things we talked about in the first round. I appreciate you, the work you’re doing. We’re gonna link up your website, your books, everything in the show notes… You’re gonna wanna stick around here and catch this other incredible episode. You don’t wanna miss it. I’ll see you over there.
Dr Bright
We’ve tested over 8,000 people in our office, over 97% are deficient in iodine, the vast majority, severely deficient in iodine. All thyroid hormone can’t be made without iodine. Thyroxin, or “T4” is four atoms of iodine attached.
I do not necessarily agree with all that Dr Bright has said, but it is certainly food for thought. It also makes me even less inclined to trust the medical industry if that is possible. – GC
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