Making Sense of Pro-Vax Trump

Risks, Bets, Rewards and Losses – Why Vaccine-Conferred and Disease-Conferred Immunity are Both Proper Personal Gambles When Choice is Free and Enough Truth is Known or Unknown


Many of us were shocked that President Trump just showed his “pro-vax” hand in an interview with vaxx nutt Bill O’Reilly, but if you watch Trump long enough, you realize that he very often gets to the optimal perspective before anybody else – even with incomplete data.

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1472987776786354177

It’s worth wondering why Trump said what he said, and said it when he said it.

Beyond the “credit” issue – which I can really see for many reasons, not the least of which is because Trump’s plan really messed up the Cabal plans on COVID – I think Trump knows people who are seeing the emerging data. And I think they are advising him correctly.

I’m going to try to show you some of that data, and what it means.

Rand Paul is a sharp guy, too. Trump respects Rand Paul. It pays to ask why. I think that part of it is because Rand is a doctor. Trump respects doctors, I am convinced. And Trump knows that doctors differ in their opinions, like everybody else, and that he (Trump) needs to listen to a number of them, to see where the best perspective resides.

Rand is not anti-vaxx. He’s pro-natural-immunity. There is a difference.

At the place where Trump’s viewpoint and Rand Paul’s viewpoint intersect, you will find much truth. I certainly did. And when I added in a few other doctors “on our side”, and looked carefully at where I was skeptical of some of their thinking, but also let them convince me to be skeptical of some of my own thinking, I hit the jackpot.

BOTH the vaccines AND the disease make sense as alternative, risky, immunity-conferring antigens. Neither one is obviously superior to the other for everybody, because the landscape of risk and benefit is too complex, and depends far too much on the needs, goals, and medical circumstances of the individual. Worse still, past choices – including accidental ones – affect future choices.

Rand Paul saw right into this – that the CRUX of the problem is that “natural immunity” is being ignored by a monetarily, scientifically, and institutionally compromised medical establishment. Natural, disease-conferred immunity is the BEST CHOICE for many people – particularly when combined with a “delay of onset” strategy, and TREATMENT, which alters the risk/benefit. We have known this all along, yet we have never truly internalized it, because the “Let’s You And Him Fight” strategy of the OBAMA MANDATES has widened and deepened the division between those who choose vaccines and those who don’t.

AND LOGIC.

Trump GETS THIS. And he said so. We ARE falling into their trap. BUT we can turn that around on a DIME.

It is critical for our side – the free and sane medicine side – to EXPOSE and BASH the performance of the vaccines, because the other side won’t do it. But it is also critical that we STAND UP for the freedom for others to take those risky vaccines voluntarily, and accept the truth that it can make sense, during a period where we don’t know everything, and MAYBE beyond that, after we know more.

Mandates are absolutely stupid, reckless, and anti-science. They interfere with medicine. The mandating commies need to BTFO. But letting fearful people take a risky vaccine – a personal gamble – is a part of freedom that we have to respect.

I want to show you data that makes this make sense.


Some of you may be surprised that I am defending the COVID vaccines AT ALL. At present I have ZERO intention of taking one. For me, and my wife, they are a BAD medical choice. For many others, too.

Well, what if I tell you that in doing so, I can defend disease-conferred immunity EVEN MORE?

What if I tell you that I can now see why, strategically, Trump waited until we “knee-capped” – but didn’t kill – the vaccines?

BOTH SIDES HAD TO SEE MORE CLEARLY.

Let me help you see more clearly.


Natural Immunity – More Risk With More Reward?

What I just said there is not always true.

For CHILDREN, it appears that the vaccines are MORE RISK, LESS REWARD.

Yeah, Trump was right about that.

It’s a NO-BRAINER to NOT, NOT, NEVER, EVER give this shit to kids, and I personally hope that God himself does whatever is needed to save children from the MONSTERS who are injecting them with these RELATIVELY dangerous vaccines.

Kids are being deprived of EXCELLENT natural immunity, for JUNK immunity that makes money for Big Pharma.

Just for starters, we may be condemning these kids to a lifetime of life-robbing spike boosters, just by virtue of a well-understood idea of “original antigenic sin”, or OAS. OAS is where one antigen leads to an inappropriate response to a later antigen, vaccine, or infection.

This means that if we give children a misleading FIRST ANTIGENIC STIMULUS, they may then be STUCK with sub-optimal antibody immunity, leaving them for an unknown time at GREATER RISK from the disease. It may very well be that the BEST FIRST ANTIGEN for SARS-CoV-2 is the DISEASE – not a spike protein vaccine.

We don’t KNOW what will happen long-term when we inject kids. Or, at least, most of us don’t. Maybe Fauci does.

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Is it a good idea? Should we bet ALL our kids on that idea?

NO FREAKING WAY.

And THAT is assuming that these vaccines do nothing to affect fertility. If they DO affect fertility, then this has to be made a KNOWN and ADMITTED risk, at the very least – not covered up, like it is right now.

A call for Nuremberg II, more likely, if this was knowingly advanced.

Who wants to risk their kids’ chance of having children?

This brings up the question of whether parents have the right to *knowingly* neuter their kids. Some parents already are, by “transing” kids. I think it’s pretty clear that’s where the Cabal is going – neutering and spaying humans. Interesting question. Should it be sent to SCOFFLAW SCOTUS? How is Amy Comey Barren going to vote on that one?

Asking for a FIEND.

I would even extend that thinking to teens and young adults. There is no reason that I can see to give them the vaccine. But should they have that choice, in consultation with their doctors? Interesting question. Very hard to reconcile a pro-life position with that, isn’t it?

But back to natural immunity.


Natural Immunity – More Rewards

Are there, in fact, more rewards?

I think so. Look at these two figures from the UK Ministry of Health, showing spike protein antibodies in people in England in 2021.

LINK:

…..https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1027511/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-42.pdf

The darker the color, the stronger the antibodies.

The first graphs are people who have no evidence of having caught the disease (N protein negative). They include the unvaccinated uninfected and the vaccinated uninfected.

The yellow is the unvaccinated people who have not caught the disease – mostly kids.

Green, blue and purple are various levels of vaccination success – the darker, the more spike antibodies.

Now look at people who got some or all of their spike immunity by natural infection with the disease.

Assuming it’s a wash as far as the quality of the antibodies – which is not necessarily true – it’s obvious that these recoverees have a more robust spike antibody immunity – to say nothing of likely immunity to some or all of the other 20+ proteins in SARS-CoV-2.

Rand Paul, right here. The man is asking the right questions.

So why is Fauci ignoring this natural immunity stuff?

Notice that KIDS don’t mount a strong spike immunity, even though they beat down the disease in a hurry, with minimal symptoms. This is likely an EVOLVED RESPONSE – an EVOLVED STRATEGY – a form of EVOLVED INTELLIGENCE. What it says is that kids “know” by evolution – don’t build a lasting defense to the ever-changing spike protein. Meanwhile, the virus tries to “rope-a-dope” us slowly into concentrating on the spike as we age, misleading us with each attack. We lean on the crutch of spike antibodies that don’t work on the next strain, or actually make things worse.

Kinda funny that Fauci and the “follow the science” types don’t respect this signal from evolution, but whatever. That’s the basis of another post. But keep it in mind – it’s likely important.

So let us not digress.

The bottom line is that IF you’re going to make spike antibody immunity your standard of success, which Fauci and company clearly have, as part of Fauci’s “antibody hypnosis”, then by that standard, “natural immunity” from the disease gives MORE REWARD.

And again, I remind you, there are MANY other metrics of immunological success which are highly relevant, and which are ignored under Fauci spike antibody hypnosis. Always keep that in mind.


Natural Immunity – More Risks

SO – is the disease “more risk” to get that more reward?

My answer would be “maybe”.

It’s a complex calculation – particularly if you factor in “not getting the disease until you get it”. When you vaccinate, it’s a down payment in full, and with boosters, you’re even stuck with installments. You are “accepting that the risks happen” at 100%. Vaccination “collapses the probabilities”. But if you take your chances on the disease, by simply not vaccinating, you are delaying the (probably) higher risk, but the “risk over time” is substantially reduced.

Imagine the “payoff” of not vaccinating or getting the disease until Omicron. That would have been a GREAT gamble and winnings.

But let’s look at an ACTUAL COMPARATIVE RISK of vaccine vs. disease.

Now – let me be clear from the start – this article is a CLICK-BAIT CHERRY-PICKING of the highest order. The title numbers SEEM shocking – until you dig into it, and go to the source.

But still, they’re not “lying”. It’s just misguided. But that CHAFF led me to WHEAT.

Let me include the entire, short report, as it appeared in GWP.


On December 14th, 2021, Nature Medicine released a study based on a broad population data set analyzed by researchers at Oxford University. The researchers examined the risks of myocarditis, pericarditis, and cardiac arrhythmias associated with COVID-19 vaccination and infection.

The Oxford researchers reveal that 1 in 100 or 1% of all vaccinated individuals were admitted to the hospital or died with arrhythmia or irregular heartbeat.

Of the 38,615,491 vaccinated individuals included in our study, 385,508 (1.0%) were admitted to hospital with or died from cardiac arrhythmia at any time in the study period (either before or after vaccination); 86,754 (0.2%) of these occurred in the 1-28 days after any dose of vaccine. Of those who were admitted or died 39,897 (10.3%) had a SARS-CoV-2 positive test, with 29,694 (7.7%) having a positive test before vaccination. There were 7,795 deaths with cardiac arrhythmia recorded as the cause of death (1,108 had a SARS-CoV-2 positive test).

So 1 in 100 of the vaccinated individuals are going to the hospital with irregular heart beat and this isn’t international headlines?

This is a shocking number.

James Cintolo has more on this study.


Wolf again.

This study appeared in the journal NATURE. That is the big leagues. We have to take this seriously. But let’s look at it closely. It REALLY helps to see that entire document, although SUSPICIOUS CAT should come out, just looking at the TITLE.

NATURE PAPER: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01630-0

Risks of myocarditis, pericarditis, and cardiac arrhythmias associated with COVID-19 vaccination or SARS-CoV-2 infection

See? This isn’t just about the vaccines – it looks at infection, too. Is Gateway Pundit giving us the full story? Maybe not.

ABSTRACT:

Although myocarditis and pericarditis were not observed as adverse events in coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) vaccine trials, there have been numerous reports of suspected cases following vaccination in the general population. We undertook a self-controlled case series study of people aged 16 or older vaccinated for COVID-19 in England between 1 December 2020 and 24 August 2021 to investigate hospital admission or death from myocarditis, pericarditis and cardiac arrhythmias in the 1–28 days following adenovirus (ChAdOx1, n = 20,615,911) or messenger RNA-based (BNT162b2, n = 16,993,389; mRNA-1273, n = 1,006,191) vaccines or a severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) positive test (n = 3,028,867). We found increased risks of myocarditis associated with the first dose of ChAdOx1 and BNT162b2 vaccines and the first and second doses of the mRNA-1273 vaccine over the 1–28 days postvaccination period, and after a SARS-CoV-2 positive test. We estimated an extra two (95% confidence interval (CI) 0, 3), one (95% CI 0, 2) and six (95% CI 2, 8) myocarditis events per 1 million people vaccinated with ChAdOx1, BNT162b2 and mRNA-1273, respectively, in the 28 days following a first dose and an extra ten (95% CI 7, 11) myocarditis events per 1 million vaccinated in the 28 days after a second dose of mRNA-1273. This compares with an extra 40 (95% CI 38, 41) myocarditis events per 1 million patients in the 28 days following a SARS-CoV-2 positive test. We also observed increased risks of pericarditis and cardiac arrhythmias following a positive SARS-CoV-2 test. Similar associations were not observed with any of the COVID-19 vaccines, apart from an increased risk of arrhythmia following a second dose of mRNA-1273. Subgroup analyses by age showed the increased risk of myocarditis associated with the two mRNA vaccines was present only in those younger than 40.

The TRUTH is right in there.

First, we have to remember that GWP was concentrating on 1% of vaccinated people during the study period, INCLUDING before they got vaccinated, going to the hospital for or dying from a cardiac arrhythmia. That “before they got vaccinated” point is a TIP, right there, that we really need to consider the risk for UNVACCINATED people, too – including these very same people – for comparison. And as an aside, what is the number for corresponding unvaccinated people? You can almost guess that for most old people, it’s gonna be – well – maybe 1%?

And indeed, when the researchers compared the risk of an “event” against the risks of these patients BEFORE vaccination, they got their answers.

The WORST CASE for the vaccines was myocarditis. So let’s look at that, first.

Here is the risk from the vaccines. Broken out with [notations] so it’s easy to understand.


We found increased risks of myocarditis

associated with the first dose of ChAdOx1 [AstraZeneca] and BNT162b2 [Pfizer] vaccines

and the first and second doses of the mRNA-1273 [Moderna] vaccine

over the 1–28 days postvaccination period,

and after a SARS-CoV-2 positive test. [STRONGLY NOTE THIS!!!]

We estimated an extra two (95% confidence interval (CI) 0, 3),

one (95% CI 0, 2)

and six (95% CI 2, 8)

myocarditis events per 1 million people vaccinated with ChAdOx1, BNT162b2 and mRNA-1273, respectively,

in the 28 days following a first dose

and an extra ten (95% CI 7, 11) myocarditis events per 1 million

vaccinated in the 28 days after a second dose of mRNA-1273.


SO – this confirms what we know. The vaccines cause myocarditis. It’s a RISK. It’s a handful or two in a million, per injection.

But now, let’s look at the NEXT LINE.


This compares with an extra 40 (95% CI 38, 41)

myocarditis events per 1 million patients

in the 28 days following a SARS-CoV-2 positive test.


What this says TO ME is that the risk of this one heart problem, in a vaccine that gives less immunity, is a significant fraction of the same risk from the disease.

Obviously due to the SPIKE PROTEIN, and possibly with a simple correlation to exposure.

I will admit that it’s LESS RISK from the vaccines, but not all that much.

Look at MODERNA.

The compiled risk of myocarditis from the TWO SHOTS (6+10 = 16) is 40% of the disease risk (40).

And yet HERE is how the authors have to word things to get it past the referees and editors.


“In summary, this population-based study quantifies for the first time the risk of several rare cardiac adverse events associated with three COVID-19 vaccines as well as SARS-CoV-2 infection. Vaccination for SARS-CoV-2 in adults was associated with a small increase in the risk of myocarditis within a week of receiving the first dose of both adenovirus and mRNA vaccines, and after the second dose of both mRNA vaccines. By contrast, SARS-CoV-2 infection was associated with a substantial increase in the risk of hospitalization or death from myocarditis, pericarditis and cardiac arrhythmia.


They played a lot of word games there – take it from a retired scientist. They are also STUDIOUSLY AVOIDING some big stories that would rub the industry wrong.

“Give the editors what they want.”

Now, before I examine that conclusion for further trickery on the “within a week” qualifier and several other points (not today), I just want to say that calling 16 “small” and 40 “substantial” is bullshit.

Author bias, implicit or imposed, as a virtue signal to Bill Gates’ “vaccine culture” in science.

I will bet MONEY that a third Moderna booster would come in at 14 or more, bringing the total myocarditis events from chronic spike protein exposure to 30 or more, AND at the 4th injection SURPASSING the risk of ONE untreated disease incidence.

Well, is it worth it?

I don’t want Dementia Joe telling ME that it’s worth it. I want to make that determination MYSELF.

And GUESS WHAT? I will also bet money that part of the reason that CDC wanted people to mix and match boosters was to get Moderna “recoverees” boosted with the less cardiotoxic Pfizer or J+J vaccines, while not admitting that…

….defects from each spike protein vaccine are cumulative.

See how that works? Science. It’s great when you’re HONEST.

And why IS Pfizer causing fewer cardiac problems? In my opinion, it is very likely because the vaccine is distributing more widely and slowly in the body, thanks to the extreme vaccine lipid nanoparticle longevity (hence shedding) and biodistribution – data that was hidden from us, but turned up in the Japanese freedom of information request.

To me, the fact that nobody sees or talks about this stuff, is just more evidence of “vaccine hypnosis” of academia, as noted by Peter McCullough.

The reality? PICK YOUR POISON. Disease or vaccine.

If we go back to the arrhythmia example, it turns out that the “shocking 1%” actually GOES AWAY when compared to the unvaccinated. This makes sense, when you recall the very common problem of “palpitation” sending people to the ER, long before “long COVID” was a thing.

Yeah, 1% is shocking, but it’s shocking for the unvaccinated, too. Gateway Pundit was just throwing unwarranted shade.

Now, let’s take a look at some GRAPHICS from the study. Pictures tell a thousand words – not all bad for the vaccines – not all bad for “natural immunity”.

On the left axis you have the three vaccines, AstraZeneca, Pfizer, and Moderna, followed by the disease.

On the bottom axis, time – repeated three times for the three diseases.

As you can see for cardiac arrhythmia (right side), the vaccines are basically fine, but the disease is problematic. This makes LOTS of sense, because the disease seems to cause many problems by nerve infiltration, secondary to vascular distribution, and those nervous system infections and inflammations are highly relevant for arrhythmias, whereas the vaccine is primarily a vascular villain, which does NOT reproduce and infiltrate.

The science makes sense here! Wonderful!

All of the vaccines have at least a little bit of myocarditis effect (left side), which is explained nicely by vascular distribution of the spike protein. Moderna, which is notorious for “disease-like symptoms” at the recipient experience level, is easily expected to have even more COVID-like spike protein effects that are not immediately obvious, such as myocarditis.

Big point – ONLY the disease (bottom side) kicks off all three diseases. THAT is what a virus can do, that a bare protein, or even a non-reproducing virus-like particle, cannot.

Everything is making sense here. Let’s look at ANOTHER view of the data.

This graph has some GREAT STUFF. The myocarditis comparison described in detail above, is the graph on the LEFT. The numbers for the vaccines look substantially less, but you can see how Moderna boosters would quickly approximate the disease, and are already like a “mild case” in terms of risks. The authors of the paper avoid talking about the cumulative risks, but it’s clear that “boosterama” is PRECISELY Fauci’s game plan, and it has problems that got solved for Moderna by mix-and-match boosters.

Fauci and Walensky. Always taking care of their companies. Yeah, I kinda get it. But you gotta be HARD-ASS with them, like Director Wolf Moon would be.

The whole vaccine thing – including a lot of other adverse effects I’ve mentioned previously but not discussed here – looks to me like a trade-off. These are NOT good vaccines. They’re actually pretty marginal. BUT for people who really don’t think they can take the disease, it could be a reasonable gamble, IMO.

There are LOTS of people who take these vaccines, and no problem. I know – I talk to them all the time. I’m the most vaccine-supportive vaccine skeptic on Earth. These people just dump everything to me, because they know I don’t judge them, but respect their decisions. I’m interested in what happened to them, and they tell me.

NADA. ZIP. The most common reaction. For those people, the shot may make sense. But there are a good number of others who get laid up hard for a day in bed, and it sounds almost as bad as COVID. I worry about them. Some – A LOT.

Now look at the second graph – myocarditis in younger people. Clearly Moderna is WAY out of whack, and the others are comparable to the disease when boosted. Again – for these people – really BAD vaccines. This is why you saw action on the vaccines. Get values up close to the disease, in terms of numerical risks, and the problem becomes an elevator pitch that everybody understands.

Pericarditis and arrhythmia? Purely a disease problem. This looks very good for the vaccine. This is what you WANT with a vaccine – to AVOID some problem of the disease. BUT – can we trust those numbers?

I think so, and I think that Gateway Pundit got burned by looking at COMMENTS on a blog post explaining the Nature study.

LINK: https://jamescintolo.substack.com/p/new-bombshell-myocarditis-study-out

This is a GREAT post – here is the conclusion:


 THE TAKEAWAY

Public health policy in the USA and UK need to change fast. As a side note, if you listen to the mainstream media enough they’ll have you believing myocarditis is a mild symptom. Let me be clear, by definition, symptoms requiring hospitalization are defined as severe. What’s more, the average mortality rate of non-fulminant myocarditis is nearly 56% which is experienced within 3-10 years. Sadly, that is a consequence of the likely heart failure that develops after the acute phase of myocarditis has resolved. See picture below 👇🏻

All things considered, it is clear that individuals under 40 are at a high risk of experiencing vaccine induced myocarditis. The good news is, there are ways to deal with this. More specifically, increasing the time between the first and second dose, not giving boosters to all healthy individuals under 40, pausing Moderna for many under 30, and seeking the guidance of other countries. All of that makes for better public health policy and positive health outcomes. To finish, I will leave you with the words of a wise man, “Health care is vital to all of us some of the time, but public health is vital to all of us all of the time”. – C. Everett Koop


Wolf again.

Now – in the comments, somebody mentioned the “1% issue”, and I suspect this is where GWP picked it up. Sadly, the comment author deleted and restated their comment, probably after realizing it had spawned a widely read article.

Here is the replacement comment, with replies.


zuFpM5*M6 hr ago I erased my previous comment. The closer I look at this study, the more it freaks me out.

They compare vaxxed to vaxxed+covid and then declare covid is worse, but they measure rates of myocarditis/pericarditis in post covid with troponin levels and in post vaxx with hospitalization rates. Hmmmm

They don’t include any control group of unvaxxed. The vaxx+covid group should be compared to unvaxx+covid to determine the actual rate of post covid heart issues. This is not done that I can tell?

The vaccinated showed a 1% hospitalization rate for cardiac arrhythmia with ~385,000 in the period up to 28 days post vaccination. I tried to look up population rates of hospitalization and found some old news articles discussing ~350,000-500,000 hospitalizations annually for ‘atrial fibrillation’ for the entire US population. So a group of vaccinated in UK blew out the entire US annual budget of arrhythmia hospitalizations in a couple month period? And that isn’t a highlighted part of the research results but instead they compare only within the vaccinated group broken out by short temporal periods? Isn’t the most important thing the vaccinated versus background normal rate?

I begin to think this whole study was gamed to get vaccinated rates of these issues versus supposed covid rates so they could continue to say vaccines are safer, when the actual #s are showing a horrific rise in these issues. It is a preemptive narrative shaping attempt.

I am not a doctor, researcher or number cruncher, so if I am misunderstanding this, I would be interested to hear how.
br143 hr ago There’s no way to sugar coat the study.

Of the ~385,000 people with arrhythmia, 10.3% had a positive Covid-19 test, and 7.7% tested positive at some point prior to vaccination.

Even if you remove 18% of the total, that’s still an awful lot of people with arrhythmia. I suppose most of us have some form of arrhythmia at some time in our lives, but how many of us are treated in hospital?
zuFpM5*M3 hr ago Yes. I would not subtract them either. I feel that there would be a covid risk increase + vaccine risk increase + covid/vaccine interaction risk increase to account for. None of which can be done without estimating the covid risk increase by comparing with non-vaccinated covid patients.

This is where they lost me. They’re just tossing out “maybes”. Nothing jumps out at me as likely to change the result. I can even add my own experience with cardiovascular issues from the disease. They’re REAL. Very unlikely that the vaccines and disease would FLIP on the relative risks of arrhythmia.

Score 1 for the vaccines.

BACK TO THE TRUMP ISSUE.


Benefits of the Vaccine Admitted by Our Side

There is a GREAT video by Geert Vanden Bossche that I keep pushing, because it is one of the clearest explanations of why “leaky mass vaccination” is a bad idea. Note that this is from a pro-vaxxer who has indeed worked with vaccines for his whole career, and is a former member of GAVI.

He just demands good vaccines, and good public vaccination policy.

Now – if you jump to around 4:30 in the video, you can hear him list the positives of the clot shot. HOWEVER, it may be better to just invest some of your time in that 4 1/2 minutes where he warms up to that point, to understand that he’s putting the positives AND the negatives in context, and looking at the bigger picture to recommend that we NOT mass-vaccinate.

He is saying that we should NOT mass-vaccinate IN SPITE OF the benefits that he lists and explains.

https://youtu.be/vGBDETOPAJA
  • a decrease of disease in many countries
  • decline of morbidity and mortality rates
  • less illness in people who got vaccinated
  • severe disease is resisted even when vaccinees are infected with variants
  • they will shed much less virus than the unvaccinated, even when infected with variants
  • seropositivity rates are increasing in the population thanks to vaccination

But THAT is where he begins to disagree with mass vaccination. He states that we will NOT reach herd immunity, due to variants, and he explains this fully.


Global Problems of Sub-Optimal Mass Vaccination

At 28:00 minutes, Geert explains what we need to do – which is NOT what public officials are doing.

The current mass vaccination program will make things worse, in the long term. Geert explains then the kinds of vaccines we really need – vaccines which can both generate sterilizing immunity, AND which prime the immune systems of their recipients toward cellular immunity.

Yeah, it’s a bit of a tough goal, but it’s realistic toward the challenges of the China virus, and honest about what we need to do.

So what does this mean about the benefits of the vaccine?

THEY ARE REAL, BUT THEY ARE SHORT-SIGHTED. And they are accompanied by risks. Not just to the vaccinees, but to ALL OF US ON THIS PLANET.

According to Geert, continued vaccination is going to HARM vaccinees, relative to the unvaccinated, who will need to avoid virus-shedding vaccinees. At that point, recoverees may be in the best position of all, but still – not great. ALL of us will be in trouble from the virus which will escape the vaccines.

Geert also explains how we can prove that he is correct – by looking at the mutations in the virus which is shed from vaccinees, which will show selection for more infectious variants, if he is correct.

Now – this is a GREAT interview of Geert by Dana Loesch, who looks more and more like Sandra Bullock for some reason, but what the heck – the shotgun shells on her microphone setup are EXCELLENT, very non-Bullock, and she gets a FANTASTIC explanation of the problem from Geert.

Geert actually talks about Omicron, and the DANGER of it potentially evolving to be MORE SEVERE.

Take a listen!

https://youtu.be/gc0fkYQVZtI

Does Trump know this stuff? I don’t know.

I personally believe that Geert is right. I am now of the opinion that most of what we are hearing from Robert Malone, Peter McCullough, and Geert Vanden Bossche is true, but that each one has to give a little toward the ultimate truth.

What does that look like to me?

  • Natural immunity is NOT permanent or complete toward other variants
  • Natural immunity is better than the vaccines, generally speaking, but not bulletproof
  • Untreated COVID is a loser relative to the vaccines, but treated COVID is a winner
  • McCullough’s natural immunity prediction based on SARS1 may be too confident
  • Malone’s whistleblower on more shedding by vaccinees may have been wrong or disinformation
  • Geert’s vax-brag of less shedding by vaccinees may have been too kind and not skeptical enough
  • We have to stop pushing the vaccines, for the good of humanity
  • We have to allow the vaccines to continue, at an acceptably lower rate, for research
  • We have to allow vaccines to change faster, to keep up with mutations, IF and only IF this will not PUSH the virus to mutate and select faster (immune pressure must be low enough)
  • We have to pursue the superior vaccines that Geert is specifying
  • We have to use infection, treatment, and recovery as a big gun to reach herd immunity
  • We have to let COVID burn out of epidemic status, to reach a treatable endemic status
  • We cannot do that with mass vaccination, so mandates must cease promptly and completely
  • Joe Biden and CDC must be stopped – by military power if need be – if they will not end the crazy mandates

Yeah, you heard me. We can’t let this demented bozo, backed by an evil Obama and China, make COVID worse by mass vaccination. Mandates are making things worse.


Freedom, Vaccines and Morality

Trump may not understand Geert Vanden Bossche’s warning, but if we set that aside as an unknown, you can understand where Trump is coming from.

If we want freedom, we have to let other people make stupid choices that affect them most of all. Vaccination is, in fact, one of those things. Indeed, it is by US seeing it that way, that I believe we will end this nightmare of division which PUMPS UP the vaxxies and the crazy mandates.

In the same way that there are vaxxies who now are defending OUR freedom to be unvaccinated, I believe we have to defend the right of people to stupidly (or smartly) take the vaccine. However, we MUST get the rate of vaccination DOWN below the level where immune pressure from the vaccine creates more and more infectious variants.


The FIRST thing is not to take the vaccine yourself, or give it to your children.

The SECOND thing is to fight for an end to mandates.

The THIRD thing is to fight for BETTER vaccines, and to expand belief that the current vaccines are NOT GOOD ENOUGH, and are of the WRONG TYPE. Make the vaxxies demand better, not defend bad vaxxes.

The FOURTH thing is to spread the message that the “socially responsible thing to do” is to support Vanden Bossche’s position, that NOT taking the vaccine NOW is what will ultimately “save grandma”.

The last one is a hard sell, with FAKE NEWS pumping vaccine stupidity, but hey – we’ve fought tougher battles already.


So what about Trump?

Well, he is not in the position to know or respond to the “Geert Vanden Bossche Question”. Not yet. It is only when that issue becomes BURNING HOT, that Trump will be able to smartly push FORWARD from the current stupid CLOT SHOTS.

We will have to RAISE VACCINE CONSCIOUSNESS to levels of understanding that SUBVERT FAKE NEWS. We can only do that by getting most of the vaxxies on our side – to demand BETTER vaccines.

If they want to be guinea pigs – GREAT. They can be heroes, and try the deadly experimental vaccines. But we should NOT be forcing all of humanity to be part of a BAD and MISGUIDED experiment.

And the JOKERS who are allegedly running our military need to understand this. Virtue signals which kill troops, even if slowly and quietly, where nobody can see them, are NOT ACTUALLY VIRTUOUS. I appreciate them kicking out the sane ones who understand that the current bad clot shots may cripple readiness at some point, rather than forcibly injecting them. We WILL have a reserve of trained people who are not destroyed by China and Biden, no matter what China’s coming chess moves. Thank you for that. But as for everything else – there could have been push-back against communism, instead of acquiescence.

Yes, we had to be shown. But I’m not sure showing us subservience to a COUP and CHINA and FAKE NEWS isn’t undoing half of the good stuff.

But this as well. If you guys delivered Omicron on purpose, thanks. It LOOKS like it may be working.

Merry Christmas!

W

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TheseTruths

Thanks for this article. I’m going to have to read it again, maybe more than once, to take it all in. Random thoughts:

I have heard next to nothing about heart problems from COVID, let alone that they might be comparable to those from vaccines (if I got that right). I don’t think the public is aware of this. People are scared, but I haven’t seen or heard them talking about saving their hearts by getting vaccinated.

I don’t trust vaccines because I don’t trust the makers of the vaccines and their motives. So coming up with better ones is not going to help, at least not in the short term, since vaccine trials are supposed to take many years (right?). It feels like we’re the subjects of experiments, and many of us say “no” to that.

The depth of this article will likely never reach the public. People don’t have time to delve into this, and most of those who do look at it don’t come to accurate conclusions. So we’re left with media propaganda vs. alternative media and social media. Neither of the latter have the info you present.

Gail Combs

Most people are not aware that some diseases can have long term affects on the heart. Mono is one of them. I was warned to be very careful not to over exert my heart during recovery.

[QUOTE]
Mononucleosis can also result in less common complications, including:

  • Anemia — a decrease in red blood cells and in hemoglobin, an iron-rich protein in red blood cells
  • Thrombocytopenia — a low count of platelets, which are blood cells involved in clotting
  • Heart problems — an inflammation of the heart muscle (myocarditis)
  • Complications involving the nervous system — meningitis, encephalitis and Guillain-Barre syndrome
  • Swollen tonsils — which can block breathing

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/mononucleosis/symptoms-causes/syc-20350328
[UNQUOTE]

singingsoul1

Wolf puts up some thought provoking articles 🙂

I agree with you the media is not doing a service in essence works against us and our best interests. Good thoughts in your post.

scott467

“I have heard next to nothing about heart problems from COVID, let alone that they might be comparable to those from vaccines (if I got that right). I don’t think the public is aware of this.”

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I was sick with what I suspect was Covid for the last couple weeks, since around December 6th to about the 20th, before the cough was mostly gone.

It was pretty mild, sore throat for about a week or so, coughing (but not hacking up any phlegm), runny nose (went through about a third of a box of Kleenex), headache, general ‘not feeling great’, but that’s about it.

I feel pretty much fine now, but I breathe heavier after mild exertion and my heart races easily.

I have soreness in my chest, feels like around my heart, on the left-center of my chest, when I raise my arm over my head. I have periodic weird sensations in my left leg and left arm, like the blood has turned to sludge, and occasional dull shooting pain. It’s hard to describe, but it makes we think a clot just broke free and I’ll stroke out any second, so I have that going for me… 👍😂 Tingling in my left foot now and then, not quite the same as my foot falling asleep, but similar. Swollen lower legs (both), from about the mid-calf down that comes and goes.

All of the symptoms combined to sort of freak me out the other night, but then it was less pronounced the next day, and a little less today. I have been taking an aspirin a day as a blood thinner, and stopped taking the Quercetin and zinc supplements, just as an experiment to see if I noticed any difference or improvement.

For the record, I’m not suicidal, no depressing thoughts, so if my car explodes or I’m found hanging by toilet paper, or I kick off in my sleep for no apparent reason, please DO suspect foul play 👍😁

scott467

NEW – Trump: “You’re playing right into their hands” when you doubt the #COVID19 vaccines.”

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But I don’t doubt the vaccines.

I am absolutely 100% certain they are designed and engineered to do something, but it isn’t to prevent China virus.

And that means it is being administered under false pretenses at best, or as a means of global genocide at worst.

Either way, I don’t doubt the vaccines one bit.

My confidence and conviction is extremely high…

Aubergine

I AGREE.

Gingersmom2009

Absolutely. There’s no proof that they either prevent the disease or lessen symptoms. There’s plenty of proof of what they DO do.

Gingersmom2009

I don’t believe anything from the evil that is Fauci. I couldn’t sit in the same room with that.

Gail Combs

Thanks for the Article Wolfie and digging out the hard facts.

I was already going to say the following:

#1. “…Does Trump know this stuff? I don’t know…..”
I would say Yes. In one of the Trump books I read, he mentions abortion and the fact he talked to a number of doctors before he shaped his opinion. Given that, I have to believe that POTUS has researched the Covid vaccine very carefully too.

If I recall, Dr Malone was of the opinion that the elderly/ co-morbidity people should consider the vaccine. It seems like Geert Vanden Bossche is of a similar opinion. IF a doctor has the actual FACTS (and not Big Pharma propaganda) he should be able to look at a patients situation and council that patient as to his choices.

I HATE that Doctors DO NOT DISCUSS Pros & Cons with patients. I was lucky that a doctor friend advised against back surgery given my age (27) and hobbies. The surgeon was ready to schedule the surgery when I asked him what were the Pros & Cons —
SURGERY: 50% no change, 25% wheelchair for the rest of my life, 25% I would be better… BUT thanks to my age, down the road I could expect that the discs above and below would ‘blow’ because of the increased strain.
No SURGERY: If I could put up with the pain, it would heal in seven years.
And yet how many people decades ago had that surgery only to find they were out the money and worse off?

#2. If the Covid Jab was treated like the flu vaccine — available if you want it BUT NOT MANDATED, no one would have any problems with the situation. ESPECIALLY if you add therapeutics readily available OTC or from a health care facility.

It is not the Vaccine we have the major problem with, it is
—a. MANDATES
—b. LYING by FAUCI
—c. REFUSAL TO TREAT THEREFORE KILLING PEOPLE TO FORCE VACCINATION.
—d. HIDING TRUE RISKS AND ADVANTAGES

scott467

“If I recall, Dr Malone was of the opinion that the elderly/ co-morbidity people should consider the vaccine. ”

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Dr. Malone’s interview with Neil Oliver Live | Saturday 18th December

Dr. Malone: “The data with Omicron is creating an even greater imbalance between risk and benefit. I think that it’s likely in the next few weeks I’m going to have to shift my position and say that I don’t see how the risk benefit ratio for these m-RNA vaccines or adenovirus genetic vaccines make any sense for anybody anymore.”

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Gail Combs

As more data has come out over the last year, Dr Malone’s position on the Clot Shot has changed. However he was NEVER in favor of vaxing the young and healthy.

kalbokalbs

-e. NOT pushing prevention. Increase folks immune system. itamins and minerals.
-f. NOT allowing HCQ AND/OR IVM for PREVENTION.
-g. NOT allowing HCQ AND/OR IVM for TREATMENT.

WITH a through g above, FUNDAMENTALLY:

  1. In the short term, the injections remain Benjamin’s for Big Pharma. NOTHING to do with health.
  2. CONTROL the minions.
  3. Destroy the middle class. What’s left. Serfs and Elites.
  4. Global reset.

Did not analyze the graphs and data above. Will go back to see if I can make sense of it.

KNOWING VAERS is being TOTALLY INGORED by “authorities” AND grossly UNDER REPORTED, I struggle to rationalize Covid injections at any level. Of course, folks do whatever they wish. Their health (or not), their choice.

Are there not other complications from Covid injections. At what rate, I don’t know. But they ARE real. Medical world ignores Covid injection problems. Hell, WORSE, MEDICAL WORLD DENIES Covid injection problems.

MY uninformed view includes. The push to mix injections is simply a PLOY to increase injection rates (PR BS) AND DILUTE traceability to injection manufacturer crappy injections. The latter, a BFD.

Odd as hell, after the hoopla to “approve” and injection, which is NOT available, no chatter of why the EUA injections persist. MANY months have passed. Why not ONLY allow the approved injections.

With whatever unreliable PCR test going away 31 December, are the remaining Covid tests accurate? Subject to intentionally creating false positives?

Enough of those random thoughts.

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STARK AS CAN BE. The focus in the US IS 100% STOOPID. Ignored by the Feds, States, Health industry, Quacks…

Look at Worldometer country data.

  • The US, in theory medically advanced. (SCARC) ~333M Population. ~52M Cases. ~41M Recovered. ~10M Active. AFTER two years, the US has ~25% ACTIVE.
  • India. 1,399M Population. 34,758,481 Cases. 34,201,966 Recovered. ONLY 78,190 Active. ~0.1% Active.
  • Japan. 126M population. 1,730,335 Cases. 1,710,581 Recovered. ONLY 1,373 Active. ~0.1% Active.
  • Indonesia. ~277M population. 4,261,072 Cases. 4,112,292 Recovered. ONLY 4,746 Active. ~0.1% Active.

% above are shear swag. BUT, clearly show the US Covid focus IS FUBAR. AND no one it talking about it.

Betting prevention IS KEY, AS IS AGGRESSIVE TREATMENT.

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100% support Trump. IF Trump wants to be injected, his health (or not), his choice. There can be zero push to inject folks. NONE.

Something seems way off in all of this. Likely rooted in politics. NOT health.

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TradeBait2

100% agree ^

Can we not just admit that PDT is human and makes mistakes like we do? Is it really that hard? His Achilles heel is that he simply refuses to admit his mistakes and he listens to the wrong people at times. I see it as doubling down on his sales pitch of how great he was as POTUS. If he admits old warp-speed was a human disaster there goes his bully pulpit and next term. JMO. I will still vote for him if he wins the primaries.

Scottish report (if authentic) posted on here yesterday by one of ours about sterility and miscarriages when taking the jabs. American fraud in reporting discussed with a 12% reported rate compared to the actual 82% rate. Cannot miscarry in the third trimester as that event is not reported as a miscarriage after 20 weeks, yet, the fraudsters included the 700 jabbed in the third trimester patients in their study results. The actual miscarriage rate when excluding the fraud was 104 out of 127 for those jabbed in the first two trimesters. That is horrifying.

One of many other side effects that do not include cardiac specific events. So if depop is your thing – there you go. It’s working.

Wonder why all the athletes are being injured at higher rates than ever before in all sports that are not necessarily related to cardiac events? For example few discuss the horrible rash of musculoskeletal issues in the NFL. We know they have used the NFL as the lab experiment with its 95+% jab rate. Musculoskeletal injuries out the roof on most teams. Record numbers of additional players being added to rosters daily – not just for COVID infections – for injuries. FWIW, offensive scoring is down as a result. Two thirds of the teams have significantly reduced scoring in 2021 over the 2020 COVID year, which was down from non-COVID 2019. Anecdotal – yes. Reality – yes. Why? COVID variant infections as well as the proven rash of injuries that were not as present in 2020 because the jabs did not happen until 2021. Maybe an honest researcher should dig into this.

https://www.nfl.com/playerhealthandsafety/health-and-wellness/injury-data/injury-data

Note this is just for three – concussions, MCL and ACL. I’m working on getting other data. What set this off in my brain is that I am a Titans fan and I have close friends who are experiencing musculoskeletal issues after the jabs that they did not have prior to same. Titans have the worst of it represented by the number of new roster players. Setting an NFL record so far for number of roster players in a season. Why? Same S&C, same coaches, mostly the same original roster players. Anecdotal answer – jabs. Then I started seeing reports on many other teams having the same issue, setting team records of the worst kind.

PDT said repeatedly that one person dying of COVID was one too many. He said the cure may be worse that the disease. Is it, when the nations you show (and many others) are essentially over it? Did our citizens have to die and be injured far beyond what is on the VAERS Report (about 5% of actual) to reveal the NWO plan for the world? Hard pass.

Thanks for all the work put into this today, Wolf. Much to read and reread.

Gail Combs

I think at this point the information getting to the vast majority of the public has to LEAD POTUS Trump’s change of mind AND THAT IS WHAT STEVE BANNON IS UP TO.

Remember what happened with HCQ and everything else POTUS tried to suggest. If POTUS says the Clot Shot is deadly the Fake News would Eat it up and the Demon-Rats would use it to really bash him.

I think he rally needs to stay quiet on the topic, but he may have a reason for stirring up debates like this.

singingsoul1

Trump also travels has property in NYC and Europe and other places. Being jabbed for real or not but having proof of it is important otherwise he cannot do business. Just my thought on it might be true or not I am only guessing.
The other is that he is healthy and the risk to him is minimum according to his doctors I assume.
In my case my husband having heart problems and kidney in danger because of diabetics the shot in my opinion seems also his 4 doctors because non pushed the jab. One actually told him how his kidneys had improved his heart rhythm problem has been fixed. I can only assume it would be bad for him to take the jab.
I am angry that the jab is forced on all people and not intelligently evaluated by professionals instead it is forced by some deep state operatives and a clown like Gates who has no credentials. Yes and pharma .

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scott467

“We have known this all along, yet we have never truly internalized it, because the “Let’s You And Him Fight” strategy of the OBAMA MANDATES has widened and deepened the division between those who choose vaccines and those who don’t.”

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There are so many vectors exposing red flags around the vaccines that you don’t need to focus on any particular one, just throw a dart and you’ll hit a bullseye.

For example, [JB], Fauci and Hussein are some of the most evil people in human history.

So whatever they try to do, you can be absolutely positive they’re not pushing it because it’s good for YOU, but because it’s good for THEM.

If they tried to send everyone 24K GOLD BARS, I would have it tested for contact poison before I touched it.

They REALLY want everyone to take their clot-shot… like some kind of spastic obsession… and you could bet your LIFE that whatever the reason for that is, it’s NOT because they care about you (or me) at all.

And that’s all anyone needs to know, to not touch their clot-shot with a 100-foot pole.

Zero medical knowledge or understanding required.

You only need to understand human nature, and everybody can do that, if they just stop long enough to think about it.

scott467

“BOTH the vaccines AND the disease make sense as alternative, risky, immunity-conferring antigens. Neither one is obviously superior to the other for everybody, because the landscape of risk and benefit is too complex, and depends far too much on the needs, goals, and medical circumstances of the individual. Worse still, past choices – including accidental ones – affect future choices.”

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I’m still not seeing it.

Suppose Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer and John Wayne Gacy were the CEOs of Moderna, J&J and Pfizer.

And suppose Joseph Mengele is the head of NIAID, and Igor (played by Marty Feldman) is President.

Igor is the least dangerous among them, and even he’s going to screw things up with a tissue sample from Abbey Normal.

None of these characterizations are far from reality.

Now consider.

Under what possible circumstances would it be advisable to take a shot concocted by Bundy, Dahmer or Gacy, recommended by Joseph Mengele, and mandated by Igor?

There can’t be any circumstance, because the people behind the entire effort are MONSTERS.

The only way it is even possible to consider taking the clot shot is if we believe anyone involved (design, production, manufacturing, distribution, coerced/force compliance) is acting in GOOD FAITH.

If any of these mass-murderers are acting in good faith, which one is it?

You see what I mean?

If you know they are killers, if you know they are all mass-murders for profit and ideology, if you know that your well-being is contradictory to their goals and objectives, then under what circumstances could their product be a good choice, for anyone?

Unless you live in Opposite Land?

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Gail Combs

On the covid positive NOT VAXED — Heart problems statistics….

I think that statistic could be very, very… fussy.

#1. You need to separate those with covid AND treated with therapeutics vs those with covid and no treatment to get a better picture of the three categories.

#2. HOW MANY went into the hospital BECAUSE OF HEART PROBLEMS and were given the ramped up cycle PCR test. aka how many were false positives?

Aubergine

AMEN.

scott467

“But it is also critical that we STAND UP for the freedom for others to take those risky vaccines voluntarily, and accept the truth that it can make sense, during a period where we don’t know everything, and MAYBE beyond that, after we know more.”

______________

It seems like standing up for peoples’ right to take Fentanyl if it was disguised and sold as Aspirin.

The lesser (but still critical) problem is lack of informed consent.

The greater problem is the people pushing the vaxx are mass-murderers who want to depopulate the world.

But sticking with the lesser problem, there will never be informed consent, because there will never be any honest information provided by the drug companies, CDC, Fauxi or the Gov’t, because the people making and pushing the poison are monsters, they’re not misguided people who are trying to do humanity a favor.

Their motive is not to save.

Their motive is to kill.

They will never provide the actual data required for informed consent because it would expose their foreknowledge of the intentional danger — because their objective is to kill as many people as possible — so how can anyone stand up for the ‘freedom’ for others to be maimed or murdered under false pretenses?

Aubergine

I have another analogy.

If we believe people have the “right” to take the poison vaccine if they want, do we then agree with government-assisted suicide for any reason given? For example, a person is severely depressed, and wants to die. Do we agree the government should give them the means?

Because for almost two years, the government has used any means necessary to drive people to the brink, depress them, and make them so miserable that they are willing to risk death or permanent disability from the shots to escape it. They have locked people down, forced them to mask, taken their jobs, and alienated them from their friends and family. Is that really a FREE choice those people are making, when they take that shot?

The people who are in on this have stated they want population reduction. Do I believe they would drive people to suicide to achieve that? Um, DUH?

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

You are assuming these people understand the risks involved, know it’s semi-suicidal and certainly self-injuring…and then go ahead with it.

Many tens of millions of people have NO IDEA that these jabs are potentially harmful (or they think the risk is minimal).

Aubergine

That wasn’t really my point. My point is, the GOVERNMENT knows. And they are pushing people to the brink of despair, and handing them a handgun disguised as a party favor.

Aubergine

Wolf, at this point, there is NO POSSIBLE consent to take any shot for Covid free of coercion.

The entire last year and three-quarters has been nothing BUT a psychologically abusive coercion campaign waged against the world. Anyone making a “choice” to take the vaxx is a de facto victim.

There is no “choice.” There is only surrender. And that’s wrong.

Aubergine

I guess the next few years will tell the tale. I think by the end there will be very few people who are “glad” the got the jab. But maybe I’ll be wrong.

Aubergine

Yeah…

scott467

“If mRNA vaccines ever get to the point that the ambulance chasers start leaving phone messages……”

___________

Then hopefully Fauci & Co. come up with a vaccine that let’s you “take it with you”.

Otherwise, winning huge lawsuits for mega $$$ won’t do the victims much good!

scott467

“And it’s very likely that the reason they are propagandizing is because they want the vaccine taken by cohorts who should NOT take it.”

_________

Cohort means a LOT of things, including friends OR enemies:

…………………………………….
cohort[ koh-hawrt ]
See synonyms for: cohort / cohorts on Thesaurus.com

noun
1) a group or company: She has a cohort of admirers.

2) a companion or associate.

3) one of the ten divisions in an ancient Roman legion, numbering from 300 to 600 soldiers.

4) any group of soldiers or warriors.

5) an accomplice; abettor: He got off with probation, but his cohorts got ten years apiece.

6) a group of persons sharing a particular statistical or demographic characteristic: the cohort of all children born in 1980.
………………………………………..

I’m guessing the closest to your intention is number 6.

trumpismine

Thanks Wolf, not only do you have a higher analytical mind, you are also blessed with a abundant amount of common sense.

trumpismine

Amen!

trumpismine

scott467

“I would even extend that thinking to teens and young adults. There is no reason that I can see to give them the vaccine.”

____________

If there is no reason to vaxx children (because it’s bad), and there is no reason to vaxx teens and young adults (because it’s bad), then why is it good for anyone else?

Why is having a heart attack or a stroke or any of the other ‘adverse reactions’ good for older people, but not children or teens?

I don’t understand.

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“But should they have that choice, in consultation with their doctors?”

____________

It’s like asking if people should have the choice to take Anthrax in consultation with their doctors.

Anthrax is bad for people.

But we clearly live in a world now where lots of doctors would prescribe Anthrax if the CDC told them to.

The problem is that you can’t have legitimate choice without informed consent, and if the drug in question was designed by bad people for bad reasons, there will never be informed consent, because informed consent would expose the danger of the treatment, and implicate everyone from the manufacturer to the administering doctor or nurse, and everyone in between.

.

“Interesting question. Very hard to reconcile a pro-life position with that, isn’t it?”

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I don’t understand.

Pro-life is pro-life.

The clot shot is designed by eugenicists, manufactured by ghoul$, promoted by eugenicists, and administered by ghoul$.

The objective — from conception to injection — is murder.

So opposing murder is entirely consistent with pro-life.

scott467

“Imagine the “payoff” of not vaccinating or getting the disease until Omicron. That would have been a GREAT gamble and winnings.”

____________

Seems like the opposite of a gamble.

Seems like the only ‘sure thing’ move available.

For the simple reason that, as far as I understand it, there is ZERO upside to taking the clot shot.

It doesn’t prevent you from getting Covid, and it doesn’t prevent you from spreading Covid, and it practically guarantees you will GET Covid, and spread it to others, and wreck your natural immunity regarding future variants.

All bad, zero good.

As far as I understand it, getting ANY variant of Covid is far better than getting a clot shot at any time.

The only reason the original Wuhan Virus was deadly is because they put everybody who got it on VENTILATORS and pumped them full of Remdesivir poison.

Even the worst variant is no more deadly than seasonal flu, if treated with OTC drugs and vitamin supplements.

Why would anyone, under any circumstances, take an untested, experimental vaccine, with INSANELY HIGH adverse reaction rates, created and dispensed by Mengele ‘я’ Us, for any illness — much less something that is no more dangerous than seasonal flu?

I don’t get it.

I see zero upside, and 100% downside, and that’s if the manufacturers and enforcers were acting in Good Faith, which demonstrably in every way, they are not.

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scott467

“We have to allow the vaccines to continue, at an acceptably lower rate, for research”

____________

What is the acceptable rate to do untested, experimental drug research on humans?

How did the Overton Window on using humans as guinea pigs for pharmaceutical research get moved all the way past Mao?

I thought these Covid (not)vaccines never even had ANIMAL trials, because there wasn’t time… animal trials take YEARS, and these Covid vaccines were authorized in MONTHS, with zero testing.

And the only similar previous efforts at corona virus vaccines, that actually were tested on animals, resulted in all of the animals dying, when challenged by the virus in the wild.

scott467

“And why IS Pfizer causing fewer cardiac problems? In my opinion, it is very likely because the vaccine is distributing more widely and slowly in the body, thanks to the extreme vaccine lipid nanoparticle longevity (hence shedding) and biodistribution – data that was hidden from us, but turned up in the Japanese freedom of information request.”

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Isn’t the uncontested fact that they are HIDING data from the public, plenty enough reason, all by itself, to never touch this rat poison?

Because if they’re willing to hide that data, then what data aren’t they willing to hide?

Are we missing the forest for the trees?

What about first principles?

If the people making it and pushing it have known bad motives and a proven track record of hiding and manipulating data, how can there be any trust at all in their product?

On top of that, it’s an untested experimental treatment with crazy high adverse reaction rates.

On top of that, the thing it treats is no more deadly than seasonal flu.

Bada bing, bada boom! 😁

scott467

“If we want freedom, we have to let other people make stupid choices that affect them most of all.”

_________________

But the government is not acting as an honest broker pushing a legitimate product, the government is pushing a dangerous, experimental and untested drug, with malice aforethought and premeditated deception.

Ergo, there can be no ‘informed consent’, because the information required for ‘informed consent’ would expose everyone involved to death-penalty eligible capital crime prosecution.

And without legitimate ‘informed consent’, there can never be any freedom of choice.

But this is even worse.

This is a killer pushing a poison for profit and political objective, while representing it as a cure.

The whole (ostensible) reason agencies like FDA exist is to protect people from this kind of predation.

To say we should stand back and allow people to be deceived to their own death is like saying we should allow the government to lure people to step on a trap-door over a shark tank while promising them free Lotto tickets on the other side of the trap-door.

Even if it was a transaction between two private individuals (equals), it would be a crime, what the government is doing.

But this is far worse. The federal government is no equal to John Q. Public, the federal government is a behemoth with unlimited resources and power, and subverting the Public Trust to deceive people into great bodily harm and death.

It’s like saying if we want freedom, we have to allow serial killers to stalk people and murder them.

Serial killers have no right to violate anyone else’s rights, including their right to LIVE.

Unlike a serial killer, the Government has an affirmative (Constitutional) obligation to UPHOLD our rights, and yet the Government is playing the part of the serial killer.

Or as Abraham Lincoln said, no one (that includes the government!) has the Right to do Wrong.

What could be more wrong than the entire RICO / Enterprise Fraud (Covid), which itself is part of a treasonous Coup, an ongoing effort to destroy the United States of America?

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Deplorable Patriot

I’ll have to read this again later, but I get the idea that Trump’s statements have less to do with science than they do marketing strategy. If he says, The vaccines are poison and under no circumstances go near them, the other side is going to hang that around his neck like a millstone and use it to go after the MAGA movement. AGAIN. So long as he says research for yourself, it’s fine. But pushing them is something else.

Gingersmom2009

As soon as he speaks the truth, the narrative will flip to blame him for all of it.

Gail Combs

MAJOR Catch-22!

holly

So this is interesting…

Army to announce it has developed a single vaccine that protects from ALL variants of COVID and SARS

The Spike Ferritin Nanoparticle COVID-19 vaccine (SpFN) has so far been proven to protect against all existing and potential variants of the viruses 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10335105/Army-announce-developed-single-vaccine-protects-variants-COVID-SARS.html

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Deplorable Patriot

Of interest and related to this topic.

GA/FL

A very balanced, thoughtful post, Wolf Moon – Thank you! We appreciate all your hard work and dedication to excellent reporting.

Remember what Dr. Peter McCullough said about vaccine cardiomyopathy incidents vs disease-born cardiomyopathy?

Dr. McCullough said that – vaccine myocarditis is generally more critical with “explosive chest pain, early heart failure, EKG, and massive troponin rises…”  I’d like to ask him to clarify or give a source. Of course, we know that He and the other Front Line Doctors have treated thousands of patients and consulted with one another. McCullough is in a position to state this, like no other hospital corporation, federal government aligned doctor would be free to do.

McCullough also said these chilling words at the end – “Censorship that has suppressed for two years, information on safe and effective early treatment, and censorship on vaccine safety, has led to large numbers of deaths, hospitalizations, and permanent disability, Joe. There is no greater public health crisis than the impact of censorship in Covid19.” 

The full interview – 2 hours, 47 minutes – https://rumble.com/vqt3p6-jre-1747-dr.-peter-mccullough.html

Gail Combs

  :wpds_arrow:  “…There is no greater public health crisis than the impact of censorship in Covid19.” 

And there in a nutshell is the entire problem.

kalbokalbs

B I N G O.

Gingersmom2009

This is the unspeakable crime – discrediting and denial of therapeutics.

This is why Trump HAS to find SOME way of really addressing it all. Because HE was a launch pad by bringing up HCQ. The confusion and questions are not going away, and neither are the vaccine deaths.

Yesterday I posted a comment from another site that was paraphrasing Navarro’s book. Talking about Trump’s actual plan was to flood the country with cheap therapeutics, with the vaccines for the high-risk/elderly. My husband said that he’s heard Navarro say (on Bannon) that Fauci and Scarf literally threatened to walk off the job unless their plan was followed.

He should have let them walk.

cthulhu

He had been maneuvered into declaring a medical emergency. Pelosi would have had her smoking gun for a successful impeachment — and, with a successful impeachment, Trump would have been barred from future office.

Gail Combs

EXACTLY they had him very neatly boxed in. With Pence in Charge of the Transition team AND the COVID team he had all sorts of KNIFES aimed at his back.

AND Pence would have been very happy to step into Trump’s shoes.

Deplorable Patriot

My husband said that he’s heard Navarro say (on Bannon) that Fauci and Scarf literally threatened to walk off the job unless their plan was followed.

He should have let them walk.

That would have put them in a more powerful position, as he would have essentially martyred them instead of making them own it. As martyrs, they could lob offensives from the outside. The way it was done, since he couldn’t fire them, they have to own it.

kalbokalbs

Baffling, to me.

WHY does Trump or someone listened to VERY WIDELY, start pushing hard the great strides made in India, Japan, Indonesia and the like PREVENTING AND STOPPING COVID.

ALL we hear from those listened to IS GET INJECTED.
^^^ Wholly ignorant advice. ^^^

Gail Combs

During the National Animal ID and Food Safety bill push, there were three journalists in Florida who were actually threatened for reporting the actual truth so tight control has been with us a LONG TIME since 1915 when the Banksters took over editorial control.

Gail Combs

YES!!!

I try to buy local as much as possible.

scott467

“The Trump social media platform has the power to change all that. It’s why the RINOs and GOP are skeeeered of the platform.”

_______________

DJT better realize that power is going to be a two-way street.

Because if everyone on his platform is SCREAMING AT HIM and posting evidence of the Covid Fraud / Vaccine fraud, it will remove his ability to play dumb on the subject.

Unless he’s going to try to claim he doesn’t follow his own online platform, and nobody around him does either.. 😂 🤣 😂

And that goes for every other subject he currently pretends not to know things about.

He’s going to get an earful.

TWO earsfull… 👍 😁

Either that, or it will be a top-down one-way communication platform, and people will leave the platform.

scott467

👍😁

scott467

I don’t actually like fights with people on our side though.

I had a message I was going to post on the Qtree Gab page after I was suspended, to say what happened and why, because I don’t know any other way to contact you directly.

Then I saw your post here (the Administrative Matters article), and decided to let it go for the time being and not post the message on the Gab page.

I don’t dislike the person I was arguing with, and if he started posting here again today, I would be liking his posts (that I agreed with), like always.

It is the personal attacks instead of making an argument that is the problem. I can deal with it, when it is directed at me, usually with humor, as I have for over a year now.

But not everyone is willing to confront the accusations and personal attacks, and in fairness, they shouldn’t have to.

What ends up happening is good people get driven away, and that’s bad for them and bad for us. Nobody wins, and everybody loses.

If no one ever does anything about it, it becomes like a microcosm of what has happened in society at large. Eventually, what other choice will people have, except to confront the problem themselves?
 
I’ve held back from the beginning, just like everybody else has. And I was still holding back plenty, a few days ago. But as often happens in life, if no one else will do it, then who does that leave?
 
What can anyone do?

That’s what I was thinking about, once I realized G’ma in Texas had been driven away, and apparently she wasn’t coming back.
 
RAC has also been here for a long time, and RAC left because of it, too.
 
So what can anyone do?

What option do we have?

We could bring it to your attention, but you already know.
 
You have been attacked personally too, in his ‘goodbye’ speech, the last time he threatened to leave (and left). Then he came back after a few weeks, and if I remember correctly, his reason for coming back was to berate us all for allowing the daily post count to drop… 😂 🤣 😂

Why should anyone (including him) be driven away anymore?

It’s not an ‘everybody involved was wrong’ situation, all that does is put the accuser on the same level as the people being attacked.

It’s not that difficult to challenge ideas or arguments or viewpoints or beliefs we disagree with, without personally attacking the person who holds them.

But when one person continually and personally attacks people on the forum, for years, what are we supposed to do?

What is the ‘right way’ to respond, that hasn’t already been tried, over the past couple years?

How many more good people do we have to lose?
 
That is what was going on the other day.
 
It wasn’t about emotions.
 
And it wasn’t about peccadilloes. There is nothing trivial about the relentless personal attacks, accusations and aspersions.
 
It was about years-long personal attacks against many members of this forum — including you, including DP, including Grandma, and at least once, attacking ALL of us at the same time.

It was about everyone here being put in the unfortunate position, that if one of us didn’t stand up to the personal attacks, then who was ever going to?

It’s not like this was jumping the gun or something, it has been going on for years.

I wasn’t hoping anyone would be banned, self-banned or otherwise.  We’ve lost enough people. 

But if one person is allowed to engage in regular, ongoing personal attacks instead of substantive debate or making credible and defensible points, then doesn’t there need to be *considerable latitude* for everyone else to deal with that person?
 
Asking everyone to ignore it just gives the accuser a free pass.
 
Asking people to report it doesn’t seem viable either. Most people don’t want to be tattle-tales, and even if they do report it, that just creates another headache for the management.
 
A free market approach might work. An understanding that we all have a green light to give it right back, if personal attacks and accusations are made.

Nobody should have to put up with that sort of abuse, or be unilaterally constrained by forum civility rules that the accuser routinely ignores.

Empowering everyone to throw any personal attacks right back at the accuser would be a proactive group effort at behavior modification, without anyone needing to be banned.

Someone should have stood up to the personal attacks a long time ago, and maybe it would never have gotten to this point.

*I* should have stood up to it a long time ago. If I had, Grandma in Texas would still be here, and so would RAC.
 
And who knows how many others?

Gail Combs

I bet there is via the Front Line Doctors.. We will see.

GA/FL

No doubt in my mind. Likely same with HCQ.

Aubergine

I’d bet you are correct!

singularzoe

Why would Pres. Trump take the vaccines and boosters when he has natural immunity? I believe Dr. McCullough when he says he has looked at every case out there in studies and that if one had covid19 once, one has natural immunity and will not get it again, including the variants, though not sure what he is saying about omicron being possibly “an evolutionary mistake.” I would also like to know how many politicians, including Pres. Trump, are receiving or have recently received, money from the pharmaceutical industry (meaning vaccine makers.) I think the number is high, and I Think Pres. Trump is among them, but I don’t have proof. I think when D.P. mentioned “marketing” she was onto something. I would also trust what Dr. McCullough says about the vaccines and the heart, given his qualifications in this area.

Gail Combs

I think bad medical advice and ‘germaphobe’ is a more likely answer. Also the vaccines via Warp Speed are HIS BABY so he would have been one of the first to want a vaccine BEFORE ANYONE KNEW ABOUT SIDE EFFECTS.

holly

The story I posted above about the Army’s vaccine says it started working on it two years ago, which would have been under Trump. Not sure where this is headed, maybe nowhere, but the timing and the claim it works on all variants is interesting.

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TradeBait2

100% again ^. See my response above to kalbokalbs.

Gail Combs

This is interesting over at the Other Treehouse a commenter named  jaybird and several following him say they have had 2 or all three of the covids. They follow my experience.

Here are a couple of examples:

JAYBIRD

I am pretty sure that I have had all 3 versions of the dreaded COVID. The original COVID-19 was the worst and longest, the 2nd was a weekend and the last -you hardly know you have it. I am 77, I was 76 with the 1st episode. and did not go to the Doctor. I had my own remedies.

NAN

I have had 2; the first was 36 hrs but I take vitamin C and D all the time. The second was 18 hrs and I’m on zinc, metformin and melatonin in addition-if the government wanted us to be healthy, they’d have sent out HCQ, Ivermectin and vitamins to everyone.

Aubergine

Whew, am I frustrated.

All of this assumes a few things.

Number one, that 800,000 Americans died of Covid, and we have a real health emergency and pandemic. Did they? Or did the government incentivize false reporting by paying hospitals for Covid deaths? Also, did the government (CDC, Fauci) escalate those numbers by recommending ventilation and Remdesivir as the ONLY way to treat Covid?

If we believe that those numbers are bullshit, and I for one, do, and we accept that for most, Covid is a bad flu and their risk of dying from it is essentially zero, unless they are already very sick, and there are therapeutics which prevent and/or cure Covid, why do we need a vaccine at all? So Big Pharma can make money, that’s why! And donate to political campaigns, including Trump’s, if Zoe is correct.

From the governments own numbers, MORE PEOPLE ARE DEAD from Covid this year, with the stupid shot, than last year without it! How the hell does that make the vaxx credible AT ALL? Is the vaccine making ANY difference? Sure doesn’t look like it.

Looking at the average age of death from Covid, the death rates by age category, and the fact that most of the deaths were in nursing homes, where people are ALREADY SICK, this whole thing has been a manipulation of an increasingly faithless society’s FEAR OF DEATH. We are being had. Played and duped into a spiral of introducing unhealthy substances (vaccines) into our bodies for no good reason, other than to make money for giant companies and politicians. Covid is real, yes, but it has never been properly treated by Big Medicine, and was killing already unhealthy people with comorbidities because of malpractice.

Ever seen those graphs of the progression of diseases in populations and where the vaccine for them was introduced, at the very end of the curve? As the disease was dying out in humanity naturally, a vaccine was introduced, and “miraculously” the disease was cured? Yeah.

And now there’s a “vaccination” for everything, that they give to babies and children, who are increasingly damaged by them. Well, no thanks.

Not buying it any more. And neither are LOTS of people. This tack is a LOSER. Trump will get KILLED if he keeps it up. There are too many of us out here who are not buying this Big Pharma bullshit anymore.

This is similar to Conservative politicians who try to run “in the center.” It’s a loser, too. When they actually run on Conservative principles, they win. Pick a side.

I can’t say what Trump should do, that’s up to him. But I won’t vote for a blow-hard ego or conventional politician ever again. And that’s all this looks like here from the cheap seats. I’m not a “scientist,” but neither are most American Conservative voters, and we don’t trust this shit anymore.

kalbokalbs

^^^ Well stated. My exact sentiments. ^^^

Aubergine

Thanks.

Linda

Amen! I’m right there with you.

Aubergine

Well, I, and many other Americans, are “simple men,” as Bill O’reilly himself likes to say. And we are fed up.

Gail Combs

And that is GOOD!

Gail Combs

Do not forget Gore-BULLSHIT Warming and it’s destruction of science.

Freon ‘Destroying’ Ozone was the test case and then they went for the big time CO2 is EVIL.🙄 I want a CO2 level between 1,000 – 15,000 PPM!

Gail Combs

YES!!!

I figure mankind is RELEASING all that carbon dioxide that got sequestered during the carboniferous era and actually helping earth.

Carbon starvation in glacial trees recovered from the La Brea tar pits, southern California
Elevation above sea level: 184 ft

Trees almost died out!

Aubergine

I wholeheartedly agree.

I truly want President Trump back. I do. But the “simple” ones among us are many. We do NOT understand his behavior on this vaccine nonsense. That dismissive and patronizing bullshit with O’reilly, when people are voicing displeasure with his getting a booster shot, is UNACCEPTABLE. Period, end of sentence. Nobody who treats disagreement that way is getting my vote. Nobody.

Gail Combs

It occurs to me that the booster shot may actually keep him from being HUNG as a mass murderer along with FauXi and the others.

Mr Global would DEARLY LOVE to hang the Covid Death Shot Fiasco around POTUS Trump’s neck if everything goes south.

Aubergine

I know. Maybe that is his motive.

Valerie Curren

This is a near perfect analysis–heartily agree!!!

Aubergine

Thanks!

I’ll try for perfect next time, lol! 🙂

Valerie Curren

epic reply! Merry Christmas Eve <3

Aubergine

Merry Christmas Eve to you, too!

GA/FL

Just came to my inbox.

Haven’t read it yet – and – don’t remember where/when/how I subscribed to this guy’s substack – but thought Wolf Moon and some of you science people want to scan and evaluate it when you have time.

Sense-Making on Omicron: There are 50 Ways Survivors Can Be Immune – and In Spite of Headline, Nothing Suggests Natural Immunity Won’t Protect You”
https://popularrationalism.substack.com/p/sense-making-on-omicron-there-are
Thanks again, Wolfie, for keeping up the good fight!!!

Gail Combs

ACH… I really do need to put up my old investigation into PCR testing.

RDS

Wolf Moon
Thank you for another well-researched and compilated article. Will need to re-read it, but some preliminary thoughts:
The “original COVID-19″ — the illness people, including, I believe, myself, had between December 2019 – November 2020 — the illness BEFORE any “vaccine” had an EUA — in other words, the ORIGINAL spike protein / toxic virus elements mix — caused cardiac, lung, and/or neuro issues in numbers of those who were infected, and is STILL present in many ORIGINAL COVID-19 recoverees. This is one set of people who show symptoms of “LONG-HAUL COVID”. Another set of people who present with these LHC symptoms are those who WERE “vaccinated”, got a “breakthrough case”, and recovered.
The point here is that COVID, in ANY form, including the ORIGINAL virus unleashed in November / December 2019, have elements in them that can cause the issues above. It is known that the “vaccines” have spike protein and other elements in them that can ALSO cause the issues above — and since the “vaccines” (let alone the “booster shots”) have HIGHER AMOUNTS of the spike protein (thereby forcing the recipient’s body to create a huge number of antibodies), this would aggravate any issues.
I believe it can be posited that ANY COVID-19 infection, including the ORIGINAL virus that hit people before any “vaccine” was on the market, can either:
cause the above issues as a direct result of the infection;
cause the above issues after recovery and resolve over time (LHC);
cause the above issues after recovery and remain (chronic LHC);
and ANY issue caused can be aggravated by “vaccination”, due to the amounts of spike protein, etc., in the “vaccines” / “booster shots.”
It was reported yesterday on many news outlets that POTUS45 took a “booster shot.” Given that, for example, the PFIZER “booster shot” forces the recipient’s body to make as much as 10x MORE antibody load compared to the Pfizer “2-shot vaccine” — I personally can see no reason why he would do this. (Mikael Dosten, Pfizer-BioNTech Chief Scientific Officer, spoke about the enhanced spike protein antibody element at the July 2021 Earnings Call transcript, released by The Motley Fool [www.fool.com/earnings/call-transcripts/2021/07/28/pfizer-pfe-q2-earnings-call-transcript/]).
And this is entirely aside from the fact that the DeepState / Cabal / Fauci-Walensky-Baric et al, will use “Well, Trump got ‘vaccinated’ and a ‘booster shot'” to aggressively go after the “un-vaccinated” AND the AFLDS AND the FLCCC.

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Valerie Curren

Or maybe you Got Delta from them “vax” shedding the spike, hmmm?

Valerie Curren

Just trying to cover the bases, Boss. I guess I was thinking that the Spike is the Spike regardless of where we got it. Isn’t it the Spike that causes the disease? There’s Zero Chance I understand all of this even close to as well as you do!!!

prognosticatasaurusrex

Good stuff in there. However, this is only discussing the Myocardia, Pericardia, and heart arrhythmia problems in the “vaccines” It does not discuss the other myriad of side effects reported such as cancer, autoimmune disease, organ failure, blood clots, paralysis, and the worst “side effect” DEATH, that are associated with these shots, particularly among the middle and young aged who were relatively HEALTHY before they got the “vaccine”

There simply is NOT, intentionally by the way on the part of the CDC and others, data to support whether or not these “vaccines” are safe or effective. We will have to disagree on ANY benefit from them until and unless there are more randomized studies of before and AFTER infected, and vaccinated individuals conducted.

A big clue as to the safety and or efficacy of these “vaccines” is in how they are being mandated without the informed consent of the public. INFORMED CONSENT. People are neither informed nor consenting, they are being bribed, coerced, lied to and then when all else failed threatened and PUNISHED.

My view:

“Working” and “safe” vaccines do NOT need coercion, bribes, threats, or punishment. They simply need open transparency and stats, of their effectiveness (or lack there of, including KNOWN SIDE EFFECTS) which we have very little to NONE, especially coming from the people that produced this (Pfizer, Moderna, J&J, and let us not forget their partners the CDC, NIH, and FDA.

“Working” and “safe” vaccines do not need definitions changed to justify their LACK of efficacy, nor do they need nanny state mandates to FORCE people to take them.

“Working” and “safe” vaccines do NOT need 3-6 boosters in a calendar year to “enhance” their efficacy, with no end in sight.

“Working and “safe” vaccines do NOT hide their stats, studies. and side effects from the public, bribe academia, healthy care institutions, and scientists to “push” their efficacy, all the while having these same institutions deny 300 years of modern medical practice by pseudo scientific means like Remdisivir and ventilation protocols KNOWN death sentences to most subjected to them.

“Working and “safe” vaccines” do NOT need “health officials” to down play, smear, deny, and flat out LIE about working alternatives like HCQ, Ivermectin, Doxycycline, which are KNOWN cheap, safe, and effective in numerous open blind studies throughout the world.

“Working” and “safe” vaccines are designed to prohibit the transmission of the disease they are prepared for, long enough for the bodies own immune system to take over and do what it has done for Millenia.

“Working” and “safe” vaccines do NOT hide behind Emergency Use Authorizations in terms of liability, they also do not require “waivers” to further protect the manufacturer from liability.

“Working and “safe” vaccines do not need to use Federal monies, including grant money for research and extra monies for Covid cases identified in health care facilities as a curmudgeons for compliance, employment, and “positive” studies. Trust me, you NEVER give an outcome unfavorable to those that paid, and continue to pay for the studies. At WORST it is written as “inconclusive” Gee, much like the studies above. As close to 50/50 as it can get, depends on point of reference. Sorry seen it 100’s of times, 1 in 10 studies delivers various levels of “bad” news. NONE list 100% contrary views, you cannot continue to get grant funding that way. SOMEONE paid for those and all studies, they are not “free”. Academia like everything else has been politicized and monetized, Don’t believe me? Ask DP.

“Working” and “safe” vaccines do NOT have their manufacturers, health officials, and politicians DENY herd immunity, natural immunity, or alternative treatments like therapeutics, that is the GOAL of a real safe and working vaccine, to GET to herd immunity as quickly as possible to SAVE lives.

IMHO, Covid 19 was a designed bioweapon created in partnership with the FDA, NIH, DARPA, and China. It was the culmination of decades of gain of function research using AIDS spike protein married with various influenza and Coronavirus strains over time to produce a highly transmissible, aerosolized, human to human, weapon. A weapon that was funded by OUR tax dollars, was too dangerous for research here in the US any further, and was outsourced to China, and the CCP, and Chinese Military institutions, disguised as academic research.

It was INTENTIONALLY released by China, in an effort to destroy the US, and in particular Donald Trump’s Presidency, as revenge for tariffs, and Trumps policies toward China. The Dem politicians here, never wanting a crisis go to waste, and realizing it mutual benefit of ridding them of Trump, signed on. Fauci, big pharma, the WHO, and CDC realized the potential financial and control gains that this would achieve. People like Gates provided capital.

They were all too happy to institute “Warp Speed” something with noble aspirations, that were manipulated and prostituted by Fauci, the CDC, FDA, and Politicians on both sides of the aisle for power and profit. Yes I think those people LIED and manipulated Trump to certain outcomes that he had little choice but to agree to, else he be blamed for the deaths of millions. I think they purposefully held off on vaccine release until he was a lame duck, knowing that when he found the truth out, That the “vaccine was at BEST leaky and ineffective, and at WORST had major problems, there would have been HELL to pay. IF Trump had won, meaning the fraud of VBM had failed, this would have ALL been laid at HIS feet.

Stats now that are obfuscated, hidden, or manipulated, would have been FRONT PAGE 24/7 news. EVERY “vaccine” side effect, lack of efficacy, or DEATH would have been parroted ENDLESSLY 24/7. Trump would have been called a “murderer” and been subject to NUMEROUS House and Senate inquiries, including a THIRD Impeachment. I will bet that when Trump wins in 2024, and he will, if Covid is still a “thing” by then, it WILL be laid at his feet, after all Warp Speed is his baby.

THAT is why Trump has to defend it to a point, if he doesn’t, HE will be blamed for everything that has or WILL happen with it, despite Biden’s actions. POLITICS. Trump wanted to SAVE lives, he was LIED to too many times to count. His instincts after “15 days to stop the spread” were CORRECT. He SHOULD have reopened then and pushed Warp speed and therapeutics. He instead listened to Fauci and Birx’s lies, and believed the now debunked projections. It was a serious mistake we ALL suffer for now. I do not blame him, he is a businessman, he weighed “outcomes” and went for the safety of Americans. He could not have foreseen where we are now, but he now has a point of reference, and that molds his opinion on the “vaccines”.

REAL safe and effective vaccines are designed to stop or significantly slow the progression and transmissibility of the disease they were made for till natural herd immunity kicks in. They are open and transparent in their control groups. The list known side effects. They are not EUA, they are FDA approved. They do not need, bribes, coercion, propaganda, threats or punishment. They are used on informed consent.

REAL safe and effective vaccines do not need definitions changed. They do not deny or smear therapeutic agents that help, they welcome them.

REAL safe and effective vaccines do not require multiple boosters in a calendar year, as they actually ARE effective on one or two doses.

REAL safe and effective vaccines utilize KNOWN medical practices to mitigate illness, not things that will make it WORSE. They do not belittle competition or alternative methods, they WELCOME it.

Real safe and effective vaccines actually contain dead, weakened, or dying parts of the disease for which they were created, so the bodies own immune system can be what KILLS the disease. They do NOT contain an experimental “new” concoction of God knows what, except that it does NOT contain actual dead, weakened, or dying Covid 19.

REAL safe and effective vaccines have ONE goal. Saving lives. NOT making huge profit hiding behind liability shields while hiding control group studies for 55 years, playing definition games, pushing endless boosters, denying herd and natural immunity, denying competition, and using money and politics for even more money and control.

The goal ALWAYS should have been mitigation among the MOST vulnerable, something KNOWN from the beginning, the elderly and those with serious health conditions. Instead it was pushed via FEAR to everyone, and then MANDATED, to even children who absolutely DO NOT need it unless they are immune compromised. These “vaccines” are a tool of the powerful to manipulate the powerless, for CONTROL and MONEY. They have NOTHING to do with health or safety.

We are ONLY a year in, and there is FAR too much negative data that has leaked out, despite their best efforts to hide it, that screams “Danger Will Robinson” Recall that the swine flu vaccine was PULLED FOREVER because of THREE deaths.

Curious that just yesterday Biden chastised the unvaxxed and those who try to spread the truth in the REAL worrisome effects in these “vaccines” to allow the public something HIS admin will NOT grant and FIGHT against, informed consent.

There is simply far to much smoke (and mirrors) with these “vaccines” and they way they are being foisted upon us for there NOT to be fire. I believe they have done or WILL do far more DAMAGE and HARM than they will good. We simply do not KNOW yet. MOST medications take 7-10 YEARS of study BEFORE they are released to the public, and then IF there are even minimal risks of severe side effects or death, they are PULLED.

We will not know it is too late until it IS too late if we wait on Biden and his Admin to tell us. Full disclosure. I have had Covid, so has my entire family. My wife and I both have multiple comorbidities, as does one of my sons. ALL of us were just fine with but a MINIMAL (allowed) therapeutic regimen. Maybe we are the exceptions, who knows. I do know in my small circle MANY have had Covid, and lived, just like the othe 99.8% have. I also know MANY who panicked and took the “vaccine” while heathy, a few were ok, most regretted it immediately, a few did NOT live to regret it.

I work around and with scientists, researchers, health care providers, doctors, and the like EVERY day, have for 35 years. The politically correct say the jury is still out, the pragmatic say it is 50/50, the REALISTIC say if it looks like a duck, quacks, and has feathers, its a DUCK. Oh, btw, in a supposedly 90% vaccinated site (me excluded), curiously, most of them, 70% are UNVAXXED, NONE will get a booster. That speaks VOLUMES.

Survey says:

These Covid “vaccines” have been weighed, they have been measured, and they most definitely have been found WANTING.

TradeBait2

100% agree. It is past time to see through the BS. Thank you for your intelligent analysis and post.

prognosticatasaurusrex

You are welcome.

Deplorable Patriot

Thank you for your perspective.

I am going to respectfully disagree that President Trump did not know what was on tap and just took bad advice.

This war we are in involves the intelligence community at a level none of us are privy to. I have ZERO DOUBT long before President Trump came down that escalator, the military intelligence people behind all of this were listening in and had spies inside the other side’s operation(s).

I believe wholeheartedly, that the XVII team, which includes President Trump, knew the sixteen year plan to finish off the USA, including this whole COVID/lockdown/mask/isolation/virus scare. It had to be part of the plan to bring down the nation. It was too well coordinated, including the marketing campaign. Just manufacture the Irish Potato Famine, the Great Depression, and the 1918 Influenza epidemic all at once, and PRESTO! Dead nation.

Trump interrupted the plan, and they had to move up the “release” of the virus(es), whatever they really are, in order to “get rid of” him. It didn’t work, but he’s letting them continue that narrative. Why is another matter, which I believe is cover for actually rounding up the cabal/Satanic death cult, but that’s a completely different kettle of fish.

As for Fauci and Birks, there is a law that was put into place under Obama, IIRC, that essentially states that the president has to bow to the health people in certain circumstances, which is probably why those two weren’t dealt with. However, anytime a “crisis” within the crisis was put forward, Trump countered and met the demands.

That his early assertions that we needed therapeutics were shouted down in favor of waiting for a “vaccine” is significant, IMO, in the “show the people” argument. Eventually, history will demonstrate this.

Nothing is as it seems other than the side effects from the shots, and the bug(s) themselves, of which I have had two. The truth is, noting tops good nutrition, sunshine and moderate exercise for staying healthy.

That also has to be shown to the people.

Gingersmom2009

He should have replaced or let Fauci/Birx walk, at the very least when their British “model” was proved fraudulent. Trump is VERY smart, and there was no shortage of high-profile docs on the right side of this who could have been tapped. If he KNEW what was coming (that they were going to steal the election), and what HAD to be allowed to play out . . . then alleviate needless suffering with therapeutics, while waiting on a vaccine. Both could have been accomplished.

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Deplorable Patriot

And destroying the blind faith in the medical system would not have been.

That had to happen.

Gail Combs

Unfortunately you are correct. The blind faith in Doctors and Scientist HAD TO BE DESTROYED.

Remember the plan is to put in place a World TECHNOCRACY.

July 25, 2017
Technocracy: Wake Up To The Rockefeller Movie Of Political Reality

The key document here is the 2010 Rockefeller Foundation brainstorming exercise“Scenarios for the Future of Technology and International Development”.

It imagines various disasters and possible responses to them.

The report presents a friendly and concerned front, but reading between the lines, you can see Globalism at work, shoring up a new and improved international order—as if that solution is the only viable future for humanity.

Here is a choice bit of scenario-building and forecasting from the report:

“In 2012, the pandemic that the world had been anticipating for years finally hit…national leaders around the world flexed their authority and imposed airtight rules and restrictions, from the mandatory wearing of face masks to body-temperature checks at the entries to communal spaces like train stations and supermarkets. Even after the pandemic faded, this more authoritarian control and oversight of citizens and their activities stuck and even intensified. In order to protect themselves from the spread of increasingly global problems—from pandemics and transnational terrorism to environmental crises and rising poverty—leaders around the world took a firmer grip on power.”

Ah yes, the favorite phony stepchild of the Globalists: a pandemic. Forget the fact that every dire prediction of worldwide destruction from a dreaded virus, during the past 15 years, has fallen flat. SARS, Swine Flu, West Nile, Bird Flu, etc. Duds….

2010, when HIV was mated with Bat Corona virus in Australia under the Bat Lady of Wuhan…

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Gail Combs

You can track so much back to the Rockefellers including the Bush family.

Gail Combs

LOTS OF INFO:

Rockefeller Foundation.
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History of pharmaceutical interests

In the early half of the 20th century, petrochemical giants organized a coup on the medical research facilities, hospitals and universities.

The Rockefeller family sponsored research and donated sums to universities and medical schools which had drug based research. They further extended this policy to foreign universities and medical schools where research was drug based through their “International Education Board”. Establishments and research which were were not drug based were refused funding and soon dissolved in favor of the lucrative pharmaceutical industry. In 1939 a “Drug Trust” alliance was formed by the Rockefeller empire and the German chemical company IG Farben (Bayer).

After World War Two, IG Farben was dismantled but later emerged as separate corporations within the alliance. Well known companies included General MillsKelloggNestleBristol-Myers SquibbProcter and GambleRoche and Hoechst (Sanofi-Aventis). The Rockefeller empire, in tandem with Chase Manhattan Bank (now JP Morgan Chase), owns over half of the pharmaceutical interests in the United States. It is the largest drug manufacturing combine in the world. Since WWII, the pharmaceutical industry has steadily netted increasing profits to become the world’s second largest manufacturing industry; [3][4] after the arms industry.

The Rockefeller Foundation was originally set up in 1904 as the General Education Fund. The RF was later formed in 1910 and issued a charter in 1913 with the help of Rockefeller millions. Subsequently, the foundation placed it’s own “nominees” in federal health agencies and set the stage for the “reeducation” of the public.

A compilation of magazine advertising reveals that as far back as 1948, larger American drug companies spent a total sum of $1,104,224,374 for advertising. Of this sum, Rockefeller-Morgan interests (which went entirely to Rockefeller after Morgan’s death) controlled about 80%. [5] See also AMA.

IG Farben & Auschwitz

Auschwitz was the largest mass extermination factory in human history. However, few people are aware that Auschwitz was a 100% subsidiary of IG Farben. On April 14, 1941, in Ludwigshafen, Otto Armbrust, the IG Farben board member responsible for the Auschwitz project, stated to board colleagues:…..

Gingersmom2009

But the vaccine debacle would still have done that, seems to me. And would have left Trump in a more advantageous position. 🤔

Gail Combs

I sure hope so. Nuremberg II will hopefully take the bastard out permanently along with a lot of others.

Gingersmom2009

I don’t really mean gotten rid of. Sidelined to work on the vaccine/mask/lockdown thing. With separate team of docs for the therapeutics.

TradeBait2

^^^^^^^^^^^ This.

The man that became a household icon on American TV with “You’re Fired!” could not execute same for appointed positions he approved because of politics? Yeah, OK. He gained no credibility with the fake media by playing along, so fire them and show your base you mean business. It would have rocked all of MAGA country and put us on the offensive. He sold HCQ as a cure and prophylaxis, then abandoned it while other world leaders began rolling it out. Then Ivermectin gets revealed as working – nothing. Warp speed experimental gene therapies and he is all in selling.

Nope. That was a losing hand. The card game continues.

Gingersmom2009

Yes. I NEVER understood the whole Trump/HCQ thing. He talks about it, says he’s taking it, and then drops it like a hot potato. And now he can’t be truthful about the vax. As if the same forces that will flip the narrative on him, and blame him for the vaccine mess won’t bring up the fact that he abandoned HCQ.

He should have set up a separate team of high-profile, knowledgeable docs to handle the therapeutic rollout. Didn’t he set up a national stockpile of HCQ at some point?

He is NOT going to be able to keep up this vaccine tap dance indefinitely. The eyes of the base are riveted on it.

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Gail Combs

I do not think he COULD fire Fauxi.

The Complicated Process of Firing a Government Employee
If he was Senior Exec Service he would be just about impossible to fire.
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Learn About Senior Executive Service (SES)

On page three of the report below, you can see for yourself that the 2016 Senior Executive Services Report lists that there were 8,156 SES members in 75 federal agencies. These “bosses” can’t really be fired because they are in charge. This is a good deal for SES members who are appointed as the all-knowing and all-powerful bosses of agencies they might not have even known existed before they were put in charge of them. And it was a brilliant play for Obama to have left this corruptcracy in place for Hillary’s final overthrow of America, but now which can thwart the attempts of the Trump administration to get anything done….

http://themillenniumreport.com/2018/01/deep-state-shadow-government-revealed-senior-executive-service/

Gail Combs

COMMUNIST…

rayzorback

Not “Elected”?

Fuck them…. and FIRE them ALL!

Time to get back to the BASICS that THIS country was founded on!

cthulhu

I understand that there is a major lack of runway sweepers at Thule AFB. I think the SES could be issued yellow vests and shipped up there with brooms…..and, yes, I know the date on the calendar…..

rayzorback

SES = Same Endless Shit!

Gail Combs

“…As for Fauci and Birks, there is a law that was put into place under Obama, IIRC, that essentially states that the president has to bow to the health people in certain circumstances, which is probably why those two weren’t dealt with….”

I remember that law also but I can not find it — DRAT!

And yes, I think POTUS Trump disrupted their plans BIGLY. Notice how he has been staying mostly silent on both the voter fraud and the Clot Shot while letting others do the investigating and broadcasting for them.

What is interesting is that POTUS talked to Robert Kennedy….

US President-elect Donald Trump’s transition team appeared to dial back from naming noted vaccine skeptic Robert F. Kennedy Jr to lead a committee on vaccines safety, officials said.

Earlier in the day, Trump met with Kennedy, a prominent environmentalist who has authored a book about his concerns that ingredients in childhood vaccines may cause autism — a notion long debunked by the scientific community.

After that meeting, Kennedy told reporters Trump had asked him to head a commission on vaccine safety and scientific integrity…

https://news.yahoo.com/vaccine-skeptic-robert-kennedy-head-trump-commission-203038776.html

“….the presidential transition of Donald Trump, led by then vice president-elect, former governor Mike Pence…” — WIKI

Responsibilities

Key responsibilities of a presidential transition include the identification and vetting of candidates for approximately 4,000 non-civil service positions in the U.S. government whose service is at the pleasure of the president; arranging the occupancy of executive residences including the White HouseOne Observatory Circle, and Camp David; liaising with the United States Strategic Command for receipt of the Gold Codes; and briefing senior civil service personnel about a new administration’s policy priorities.[10]

Remember they relegated Dr Peter Navarro to the HALLWAYS of an out building (no office) and removed his entire staff in hopes he would quit. (From In Trump Time.)

If looks could kill:
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August 25, 2021 From Project Camelot
ROBERT KENNEDY JR. REVEALS TRUMP’S REAL STAND ON VAXES AND WHAT CHANGED HIS MIND

Robert Kennedy Jr. Blows Whistle On Pfizer Donating $1 Million To Trump Inaugural…

https://thewashingtonstandard.com/robert-kennedy-jr-blows-whistle-on-pfizer-donating-1-million-to-trump-inaugural-see-what-happened-following-that-video/

For what it’s worth I have been warning Juan about the blowback from Trump’s stand on Vaxes for months ever since I met him… And yes Juan insists it’s because of the Sun Tzu Art of War (required reading BTW in Hollywood when I used to work there).

BUT THE TROUBLE IS… that philosophy of not drawing the fire… not painting a target on your head also known as self-sacrifice is not enough in this case.

 It doesn’t work when you are trying to be a leader people look up to….It has always been the chink in Trump’s armor from day 1. It was only a matter of time until the tide turned to reveal Trump was on the WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY ON THE VAXES….THE FUTURE WILL WORK AGAINST HIM ON THIS… Art of War be damned…..

Looks like the fog of war is kicking in BIG TIME.

To put it bluntly POTUS Trump would not give a crap about a $1 million donation for the inauguration and as I mentioned above PENCE was the head of the Transition Team. According to Sundance there were MANY MANY COMPLAINTS of people putting in EXCELLENT RESUMES and getting turned down while at the same time POTUS complained he could not fill positions.

ALSO NOTICE Steve Bannon had Kennedy on his podcast very recently for a FULL HOUR.

Valerie Curren

I believe Political Moonshine did some Very Deep Dives on aka BHO & the set up for pandemic control AND removal of Trump if he didn’t play by their entirely corrupt (*& unconstitutional?) rules. You might find the info you’re looking for in their references on that lengthy series…I’m not going to go digging for those laws myself for I’ll Never get to it 🙂

prognosticatasaurusrex

I have no doubt that Trump was, is and always will be on “our” side, meaning America and Americans. I still believe that while he knew or knows A LOT, he cannot know everything. (Plausible deniability is a thing) AND that he was shamelessly LIED to. He may have knew and went along, but to me there were things he could have done, and maybe he did, and we do not know yet. I am unabashedly a Trump fan, always will be. The man did more than could EVER be expected to be surrounded in a den of vipers like he was. I think he learned and adapted. It would be impossible to know who was friend or foe.

It will be interesting to see what he does in 2024. Fauci will retire before then make bet on it. a enema is coming for all the 3 letter agencies, a political purge must be conducted, and this may be the plan. No one will object to getting rid of the fools after what they did.

Deplorable Patriot

We have to get through 2022 first.

prognosticatasaurusrex

Notice the high number of dems NOT running in the House now? That is a tell on where things are going, rats deserting a sinking ship. Plus, Trump did and continues to do an EXCELLENT job of ripping masks off RINOS. 2022 will be a dem bloodbath making 2010 seem mild. 2024 will be WORSE. Once Pelosi is out of the speakers chair, she will RETIRE.

Gail Combs

Meanwhile people are taking OWNERSHIP of the GOP locally and it is freaking them out.

prognosticatasaurusrex

LOL YEP. Trumps greatest achievement (of MANY) revealing the turncoats within and without the US, MSM, and especially politics.

Deplorable Patriot

While that is true, there’s more that hasn’t been revealed, I am sure.

prognosticatasaurusrex

Absolutely. notice what is NOT being talked about. I spent YEARS here and elsewhere screaming about it? Durham has FINALLY gotten to the Clinton campaign. From there it goes on and UP right to Obama, Believe me, she will sing like Ethyl Merman once pressure is applied to her, she has NEVER faced REAL pressure, she will cave like sand against the ocean.

I suspect her recent rants against Trump in 2024 REVEAL her palpable FEAR. She is not the only one either, there are many who fear the pain of hemp burn. Amazing that all through Covid, Durham has quietly, yet STEADILY ground towards justice. Once we see a Sussman indictment or Jake Sullivan, PANIC will be the norm, and Covid nor anything else can save them.

Gail Combs

Trump gave me hope when I thought we were watching the final days of our republic and 1,000 years of slavery world wide. (Given Transhumanism it is worse than even I thought!)

If he made mistakes? Well we all do and he has been tippy-toeing through a mine field for the last 6 years.
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prognosticatasaurusrex

Agreed, to err is human. To LEARN from errors is intelligent. To make those who lied to us all PAY is Trumpian.

scott467

“As for Fauci and Birks, there is a law that was put into place under Obama, IIRC, that essentially states that the president has to bow to the health people in certain circumstances, which is probably why those two weren’t dealt with. However, anytime a “crisis” within the crisis was put forward, Trump countered and met the demands.”

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Easy work-around.

All DJT had to do was make it a contest between Fauxi & Co., and a privately funded team of doctors working on the exact same problem.

DJT could address the American People and say:

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The law requires me to defer to Fauxi and Brix, and I will follow the law. As an American citizen, I can fund whatever I want out of my own pocket, and today I choose to fund a team of world-renowned scientists and doctors to compete with the CDC, the WHO and NIAID.

Because I believe in competition.

The team I hire will work under 24/7 live camera feed observation, everything will be transparent, and if the CDC, the WHO, NAIAD and others want to be taken seriously, they will have to be as transparent as my independent team, or answer questions why they refuse to be, and the American People will decide for themselves whether their answers are credible, or not.

The federal government is prepared to spend hundreds of billions of dollars, while my team will cost less than $20 million, and I bet my team has the Covid problem exposed and solved in under 30 days.

If the CDC, the WHO, NAIAD, etc. think they can compete, they better get started, because my team started yesterday, and I’m looking forward to watching their efforts, along with the American People watching their efforts, every day.

I would like to wish Doctors Fauci & Brix good luck, and may the best team win.”
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It’s easy, it’s cheap, it’s effective, it gets DJT off the hot spot and puts the pressure on Team Deep State, it’s a public relations victory times infinity, it puts Team Deep State in a figure four leg-lock they can’t escape, etc., etc.

I proposed this same approach from almost the beginning.

Trump lives for these kinds of contests, it would have occurred to him immediately.

What never occurs to DJT, or anyone in the Oval Office, is that the hands of the most powerful man in the world are tied and he has no options.

Because that’s just not true.

Gingersmom2009

Wow. What a post. 👍🏻

We also have a list of “vaccine” casualties.

A friend who died after his 1st Moderna – got the virus immediately, was hospitalized and never got out. A friend with a blood clot the length of his leg. A niece that miscarried. And a cousin who was hospitalized and almost died from clotting in the lungs after the 2nd Pfizer. Amazingly, the hospital admitted to her that it was vaccine-related.

I had covid early last month. Mild, I suspect due to ongoing prophylaxis. I took ivermectin/nitazoxanide/supplements, betadine nasal spray and Dr. Mercola’s nebulizer protocol. Took care of it in a few days. Hubby never tested positive. Ivermectin, nasal spray and supplements. We’re both back on prophylaxis. The discrediting and denial of therapeutics in all this IS the first unspeakable crime. It’s hard to even think about that, and the horrible suffering.

As soon as Trump says he’s running, and/or gives an honest assessment of the (non-sterilizing) “vaccine”, the narrative will immediately flip and everything will be blamed on him. But he’s GOT to find a way to get real with people on this, or he’ll risk resembling another empty suit. “Trump” doesn’t work if people aren’t all in, without reservation. Perhaps information can be skillfully revealed through his media platform.

Again, thanks for your post.

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prognosticatasaurusrex

YW and TY. Trump has a plan, that is why I think, for now he is playing it close on the vaccine. He KNOWS his enemy , and I am sure he learned who NOT to trust.

Gail Combs

Don’t forget that Steve Bannon was his chief strategist and has been featuring anti-clot shot people regularly.

prognosticatasaurusrex

I suspect Trump knows or has a good bead on the truth, he must just toe the fence till the timing is right. That is what surrogates like Bannon are for.

Gingersmom2009

👍🏻

Valerie Curren

Thank you for sharing these details. So sorry for the personal losses & suffering in your orbit. My husband’s dear friend & mentor recently died of “covid” after a hospitalization that included ventilation (we don’t know his shot status). We’re awaiting funeral info & sorry that prayers for his healing weren’t answered for this life. Obviously our friend free of disease & sorrows now!

kalbokalbs

SPOT ON RANT TRUTHS.

prognosticatasaurusrex

Thanks, sorry for the “rant” but this hits home, and well, I am very opinionated on it.

kalbokalbs

It was SPOT ON perfect in my mind.

To me, there is NO valid defense of the injections.

I’d start listing some, but, your post says it thoroughly and clearly.

prognosticatasaurusrex

Thanks, I tried to list as much as I could, but I sill forgot about the border being open. LOL

prognosticatasaurusrex

Trump has not admitted it YET. Timing is everything. BTW did you see the new Covid pill is EUA. I think it is nothing more than repackaged Ivermectin or Doxycycline, at a premium price but we will see.

What I did find interesting is going over Biden’s rant yesterday, he kept saying “but it is your choice” knowing all the while he is currently fighting people’s choices in court.

Something is up. Either they got some REALLY bad polling, or some REALLY bad data on side effects, or some REALLLY REALLY bad news as a heads up on the direction SCOTUS will take.

I realize the “vaccines” are not all bad, especially for the elderly, I just want people to make INFORMED decisions and weigh their OWN risk rewards. FORCING people, especially children, makes my spidey sense tingle, especially with all the cloak and dagger smoke and mirrors on therapeutics and control groups.

prognosticatasaurusrex

Worse it is Facist like Germany. Especially CHILDREN. People will laugh or downplay when I say this, but, this is how the Jews were lead to near extermination. Incrementally.

The Jews were shunned and segregated just like some are trying to do with vaxxed and unvaxxed. They had their privileges limited.
They were forced to be “marked” and carry special papers to travel or even go out.

They were shunned, lied on, and propagandized by the politicians and media.

They had their wealth, businesses, and dignity taken from them. They were demonized. Then came the trains to the camps, worked to death, racked by starvation, it just wasn’t fast enough, then came the “showers”.

My father went through Dachau, and other Nazi concentration camps. It is LITERALLY the only time I saw him cry, when he recounted the horrors of mountains of false teeth, shoes, glasses, shoes, and the mass graves.

He spoke of the claw marks inside the “shower” chambers as people with their last gasps tried to claw their way out. Men, women, and CHILDREN.

So when I see some of the shit these elites are pulling, I harken back. For it is the doom of men that they forget.

Gail Combs

I was just listening to Bannon. He mentioned the Globalists are freaking out over ‘Moronic’ I get the feeling the CCP Virus WAS SUPPOSED to become MORE DEADLY (like Marek the chicken disease) and not go the way of most viruses if you do not force mutations with a ‘leaky’ vaccine.

Also he mentioned the Military trying to purge conservatives and the idiot responsible yammering about a civil war.

There is a civil war alright. Americans are over throwing the ‘Controlled Opposition’ aka GOPe.

BillBeakman

Bingo!!!
Don’t stop telling it!

prognosticatasaurusrex

Those who do not STUDY history, are doomed to REPEAT it.

BillBeakman

So sad…I guess they thought we would forget after all…
(Good to see you back after your absence!)

prognosticatasaurusrex

TY glad to be back. Yes it is sad, no we will NEVER forget. Even though they don’t or won’t teach this in school, or even in history books. They CANNOT stop oral histories. I suggest talking to an older Jewish person, an older WW2 vet and even and older German soldier. It is highly eye opening while they are still around, most are in the 90’s now.

scott467

“He spoke of the claw marks inside the “shower” chambers as people with their last gasps tried to claw their way out. Men, women, and CHILDREN.”

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That’s exactly what Hussein is.

That’s exactly what Sorass is.

That’s exactly what Gates is.

That’s exactly what Piglosi is.

That’s exactly what [JB] is.

That’s exactly what Fauxi is.

They are MONSTERS.

prognosticatasaurusrex

Agreed. Never forget little Gerogi BETRAYED his own for money TO the Nazi’s

Gingersmom2009

But where is the PROOF that they are helpful for the elderly?

prognosticatasaurusrex

Well, that is just it, there ISN’T any. All we know is that dem Govs like Cuomo and the hack in Wash St, purposefully put infected elderly in petri dish situations inside sequestered nursing homes. AND that Fauci’s protocols of Remdisivir and ventilators KILL far more than they “save” .

It is just assumed that the “vaccine” will be more “helpful” to the elderly.

The truth is we don’t know, and won’t know for another 6-10 years. the actual time REAL vaccines are studied in controlled groups before FDA approval OR release to the public. Unfortunately, the WORLD is now the control group. NOT a way to do it. There WILL be hell to pay when someone (Trump) demands accountability (as POTUS again). I also look for thousands if not tens of thousands of world wide lawsuits, you know places where the FDA and our corrupt legal system CANNOT sheild or protect those that did this. They will want BLOOD, and we will give it to them.

My advice, dump pharma stock in 2022, before the SHTF.

Valerie Curren

Right antihistamines, like recounted in Wolf’s Zyrtec Rebellion post, were proof of outcomes in the elderly surely!

Gingersmom2009

I was talking about proof that the vaccines were of any benefit. We have proof that therapeutics work. We have proof of vaccine injury. We have proof that people get sick/hospitalized/die despite being vaccinated. We have no proof of ANY vax benefit.

Valerie Curren

Absolutely agree!

MMinWA

You keep calling the Chinese flu a disease. It’s the flu. Healthy people might get sick but almost all will be fine. Those with other illnesses are most at risk and old age is another factor.

The average age of a Chinese lfu fatality is the sme as the US average age of death.

It’s an upper respiratory illness, it’s going to kill some people. That’s called life.

rayzorback

massive preparation that got me through Delta”
Got me through too… Thanks to YOU… and the Awesome people HERE at the Qtree and their input.
Thanks to ALL that contribute here. 🙂

Gail Combs

I am similar to Wolfie, the CCP virus wiped out my lung function for over a year and a 1/2. Only worming goats with Moxidectrin without gloves and having goat spit and Moxidectrin on my hands for hours finally cleared up my long-haulers Covid.

Wolfie has not been as lucky.

cthulhu

We somehow need to chip in and get Wolf a day in a goat spa.

rayzorback

MMinWA…. Haven’t seen you here before…. Welcome….
And I agree with your comment 🙂

Valerie Curren

You keep calling the Chinese flu a disease. It’s the flu.”

AND a bioweapon. However the by far worse bioweapons, imo, are the “shots”!

Aubergine

“You give these damn vaccines to 1000 people, and 998 or 999 walk away fine…”

So far.

Gingersmom2009

What I don’t see is any proof that they are helpful AT ALL, with the disease management. So the stats say a couple out of thousand die from it. But there’s all the other reactions, injuries and cancers out of that thousand – apparent right away or years down the road. Where is the PROOF that the shots either prevented or made anyone’s disease less serious?

Almost all of our local close family had covid in 2020 – late summer through fall. Pre-vax. They all just sat at home and did nothing, per the county health dept and suffered through it, plus the lasting effects. Only one SIL was given a steroid at some point. No one had anything more than seasonal flu with no taste or smell — taking NO meds.

So was the basic vaccinated person’s experience who contracted/recovered from delta any different from that? I’m not talking about the people who get hit hard and wind up hospitalized. I’m talking about people who get it and recover at home.

As I’ve said before, my husband has a cousin (and husband) who had it very bad, very early on – and was actually given HCQ at a local hospital. They walked out after a few days. This same cousin got the Pfizer, had a bad reaction to the first dose. She wound up in the same hospital after the second dose with clotting in her lungs and almost died. And they told her it was from the vaccine.

I’m rambling. Where is the proof that they do anything at all, aside from varying degrees of adverse affects?

rayzorback

They have abused their positions to benefit industry “partners”, and cannot speak honestly on the relative dangers of the disease and the vaccines.”

That has been my experience with “Doctors”….. Bought and Paid for Hypocrites!!!!

rayzorback

Where is the PROOF that the shots either prevented or made anyone’s disease less serious?”

Amen!

Valerie Curren

“We are at variolation – the laboratory spike protein equivalent of scratching ourselves with sun-dried smallpox scabs.”

For some reason this brings Job’s sore scratching w/ broken potsherds to mind…

Aubergine

Excellent. Thank you.

prognosticatasaurusrex

YW.

Valerie Curren

Thank you for articulating Many great points…including this great summation of beginnings:

IMHO, Covid 19 was a designed bioweapon created in partnership with the FDA, NIH, DARPA, and China. It was the culmination of decades of gain of function research using AIDS spike protein married with various influenza and Coronavirus strains over time to produce a highly transmissible, aerosolized, human to human, weapon. A weapon that was funded by OUR tax dollars, was too dangerous for research here in the US any further, and was outsourced to China, and the CCP, and Chinese Military institutions, disguised as academic research.

prognosticatasaurusrex

EXACTLY!!! read my latest 1-12-22. That is EXACTLY what happened!

Valerie Curren

Do you have a link?

Valerie Curren

Thx!

prognosticatasaurusrex

YW!

cthulhu
GA/FL

Another interesting post from James Lyons-Weiler:

“Now Wait Just a Minute. Breakthrough Infections Should Not Be INCREASING, But They Are”

https://popularrationalism.substack.com/p/now-wait-just-a-minute-breakthrough

Gail Combs

I was going to do this as a separate article but I have to do other things so I am going to dump it here as is. (Sorry Wolfie)

Virus PCR test

So far we have done deep dives into the Chinese/Davos Bio-weapon, CoV-2, the poisonous Jabs, and the use of vitamins, minerals, herbs and therapeutics. Comments in a recent Market Ticker article tickled my curiosity and I decided to go down the PCR testing Rabbit Hole.

The darn CDC Obama holdovers ALLOWED flights from China for a FULL MONTH AFTER THEY KNEW THERE WAS A PROBLEM! They used ‘temperature’ to ‘screen’ passengers knowing it was a really lousy screening tool.

On top of that the ONLY numbers we saw for a full month or more are Laboratory Confirmed numbers from a half arse test that only picks up 1/2 of the cases AT BEST.
Then there are the Fricken Obama holdovers like Nancy Messonnier who was busy HIDING the real numbers by playing games with the test kits. Even going to the extreme of sending out DEFECTIVE KITS to all but THREE STATES! 

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Former HHS Official: CDC Lied to Trump, HHS Secretary About Ability to Make Wuhan Coronavirus Testhttps://legalinsurrection.com/2020/03/former-hhs-official-cdc-lied-to-trump-hhs-secretary-about-ability-to-make-wuhan-coronavirus-test/

”Former assistant secretary of Human and Health Services (HHS) Chris Meekins told James Rosen, a Sinclair investigative reporter, that the CDC lied to President Trump and HHS Secretary Alex Azar about its ability to produce a Wuhan coronavirus test.

Trump and his administration have received a lot of criticism over tests. Now it looks like the anger should go to the CDC.”

Former HHS Official: CDC Lied to Trump, HHS Secretary About Ability to Make Wuhan Coronavirus Test
https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/03/former-hhs-official-cdc-lied-to-trump-hhs-secretary-about-ability-to-make-wuhan-coronavirus-test/

”Former assistant secretary of Human and Health Services (HHS) Chris Meekins told James Rosen, a Sinclair investigative reporter, that the CDC lied to President Trump and HHS Secretary Alex Azar about its ability to produce a Wuhan coronavirus test.

Trump and his administration have received a lot of criticism over tests. Now it looks like the anger should go to the CDC.”

Czech Microbiologist Says #Covid_19 Virus Was Created In A Laboratory
Apr 6, 2020

Dr. Sona Pek is one of the top molecular biologists in the world. She was the first to develop a test to identify the presence of Coronavirus in the human body. It is called the simple test. She has also analyzed the virus at the molecular level.

Her finding is that the virus is man-made, in a laboratory. That is, that its genetic code has been modified by human intervention.

The test she developed can detect the presence of COVID-19 in just one hour. She has published her findings and offered them free to medical experts around the world.

The interesting part of the interview starts around 15 minutes where she describes unnatural mutation of the virus with a high probability of unnatural genetic manipulation. The last three minutes of this DEVASTATE the notion this is a naturally-occurring virus.….

The video has English captions and is 20 minutes long

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmL7okhbVzU

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Wolfie shared a Mike Adams video:

@ 20 minutes, Mike explains the PCR test does not quantify the AMOUNT of virus AND only detects a very small part of the virus. ALSO he says that as a certified Lab he can ORDER a purified sample of HIV or Infuensa A but NOT Covid-19. (Remember the lawsuit the guy won in Canada because THEY COULD NOT PRODUCE THE EVIDENCE COVID -19 EXISTED??)

A BIT OF HISTORY

The PCR test with it’s false positives was a critical part of the Plannedemic. After all how else do you juice up fear of a nasty but mostly non-lethal virus?

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Aside from deliberately killing off ‘useless’ Americans that is…

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PCR inventor Kary Mullis died in August 2019 of pneumonia, just months before his creation was rolled out to diagnose Covid worldwide.

HOW CONVENIENTDr. Kary Mullis calling out the Political Hack, Fauci

https://rumble.com/vkv6tz-kary-mullis-inventor-of-the-pcr-test-exposes-fauci-and-his-criminal-cabal.html

Dr. Kary Mullis explains why his PCR test is not a diagnostic testhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXm9kAhNj-4

From my early 2020 notes:

July 15, 2019
CDC shuts down USAMRIID (U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases) on doing level 3 and 4 bio-research [H/T itswoot]

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EARLY JANUARY
From Carlos aka Thomas Wictor.
A Seattle infectious-disease expert named Dr. Helen Y. Chu tried to test people as soon as the first case was reported in her area, but the CDC prevented it.

Dr. Chu finally went ahead and tested anyway.

Washington state ordered her to stop. 
Rigidity of thought, bureaucratic red tape, and the pigheadedness of government employees prevented Dr. Chu from getting out in front of the epidemic.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1237911399382183936.html

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Write up by the New York Slimes

Dr. Helen Y. Chu, an infectious disease expert in Seattle, knew that the United States did not have much time.

In late January, the first confirmed American case of the coronavirus had landed in her area….

As luck would have it, Dr. Chu had a way to monitor the region. For months, as part of a research project into the flu, she and a team of researchers had been collecting nasal swabs from residents experiencing symptoms throughout the Puget Sound region….

…Everywhere Dr. Chu turned, officials repeatedly rejected the idea…

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/10/us/coronavirus-testing-delays.html?referringSource=articleShare

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February 14, 2020
CDC Teleconference with reporters:
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/t0221-cdc-telebriefing-covid-19.html&nbsp;

Who
Nancy Messonnier [Sister of Rod Rosenstein], M.D., Director,
National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases

Nancy Messonnier: ….I think that more information will become available over the next couple days, as we fully evaluate these repatriated travelers and as we line up the lab results from Japan, as well as the testing in the United States.…..

….So as we’ve said with these repatriated groups, our assessment of the groups, in terms of their risk, drives our stance in terms of what kind of testing we do. So because these returning passengers — because these repatriated individuals were judged to be at high risk, we have done additional testing on them. It is — in addition to that testing, we also are continuing to do surveillance for illness, which is clearly our focus.…..

Julie Steenhuysen from Reuters.

>>I have a couple questions. First of all, can you tell us how many states have testing capacity? We’re hearing that only three states at the moment are capable of testing for the coronavirus because of issues with the test kits. And secondly, and you touched on this, at what point does it make sense to still screen passengers at airports, given how many countries now are seeing widespread — or seeing additional cases and starting — you know, at what point do you shift to community-based measures to control this virus?….

Nancy Messonnier:

In terms of the test kits, you know what, I think we’ve been as transparent as one could be about this issue. I’m happy to report that we’re fully stood up at CDC. There is no lag time for testing at this point. That is the focus of testing in the united states, the testing here at CDC. We’ve had no issues at all in terms of the quality of that. As we’ve pushed tests out to the state, they did what we would expect as part of the normal procedures, which is do the verification in their own laboratories. There were problems identified with the test kits. That is a normal part, unfortunately, of these processes.

We obviously would not want to use anything but the most perfect possible kits, since we’re making determinations about whether people have COVID-19 or not. So that is still where we are. We are working with FDA, who is the one that have oversight over us. Under this e.u.a. on redoing some of the kits. We still consider it a priority to get the kits out to patients as soon as possible. It is overridden by the priority to make sure that the test is correct….

Andrew Joseph. 

>> Hi. Following up on some of the testing questions. Has testing started through the influenza network yet? Also, you mentioned, you know, how clinicians are on the lookout for patients. Have you all thought about broadening the recommendation? As it stands now, i think online, it’s either fever and — or sorry, symptoms and either travel history to wuhan or contact with a confirmed case or person or investigation. As you mentioned, it seems to be spreading pretty efficiently outside Wuhan. Have you thought about expanding that evaluation guideline?

Nancy Messonnier:

…..In terms of case definition, you may know that on our web page we do go through in detail our current case definition. The current case definition does say that patients that have fever, symptoms of lower respiratory infection, requiring hospitalization, and a history of travel from mainland china meet the case definition for testing. We are regularly looking at the epidemiological situation globally.….

We also obviously don’t want to mistransmit in the United States. Balancing those things going forward, we are going to continue to look at travel history and see when and if there’s the right reasons to expand that beyond China….

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Gail Combs

Part 2

CDC had run just 426 tests from Jan 21 to Feb 24

April 18 2020
The Washing ComPost reported.

Contamination at CDC lab delayed rollout of coronavirus Tests
The CDC facilities that assembled the kits violated sound manufacturing practices, resulting in contamination of one of the three test components used in the highly sensitive detection process…

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In the article And Now, The Admission.… from The Market Ticker 

Mannfm11 commented

Reiner Fuellmich say this guy Droston isn’t a Doctor at all, but a bull**** artist. He came out, with the PCR test, knowing it was bull****, to get this **** show going. He is a criminal, with fake credentials. One of the first that needs to get hung.

Karl posted something recently stating they determined 1.5% of blood donors had CV19 antibodies, December 2019. Check the death statistics, out to the time the NAZI’s started their nonsense. There were fewer deaths, the last quarter of 2019 through the first 10 weeks, of 2020 than there were, in the same period, last quarter 2017, thru first 10 weeks of 2018. Where the hell were the fatalities? Droston and Fauci created this fraud. The hospitals created the death toll, not the virus.

This bastard should take 2 of all the jabs. I bet he hasn’t taken even one of them. Odds are 100X or greater the kids get killed by this stuff than the virus. Bioweapons and fraud artists are a bad mix.

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3729615

So I went looking for information on this guy Droston and found this:

Christian Drosten & the Fraud Behind COVID 19 PCR Testing

This begs the question; Did Drosten design this PCR protocol in order to trigger a “case-demic”? A recent scientific research paper by 22 top-class scientists substantiates this suspicion, as they have refuted the scientific basis of the Drosten study, which served as the test protocol adopted by the WHO. Also, initial court decisions have confirmed the unscientific nature of the Drosten study and his PCR test. With his unscientific study and the unfit-for-purpose test based on it, this one man has significantly steered the entire Corona scenario: Christian Drosten – Not only he himself, but also the test he developed proves to be implausible upon close examination.

Olfert Landt is one of the regular co-authors of Drosten’s studies – including the current Corona test publication. He is also the owner of the Berlin biotech company TIB Molbiol Syntheselabor GmbH, which produces Corona PCR tests. Drosten and Landt have apparently discovered a successful “business model”: in the case of pandemics and the most diverse viral outbreaks, they jointly develop a PCR test for them: this was already the case in 2002/2003 for SARS, in 2011 for EHEC, in 2012 for MERS, in 2016 for the Zika virus, in 2017 for yellow fever.

It is always the same trick, which they have now resorted to again for the Corona panic. Landt also admitted this to the Berliner Zeitung: “The test, the design, the development, came from the Charité. We just immediately converted that into a kit format. When you don’t have the virus, which was initially only available in Wuhan, we can make a synthetic gene [i.e. using computer modelling] to simulate the virus genome. We did that very quickly.”…

CHRISTIAN DROSTEN & THE FRAUD BEHIND COVID 19 PCR TESTING | PRINCIPIA SCIENTIFIC INTL.

The German virologist Professor Dr. Christian Drosten is THE face of the current corona crisis! The weekly magazine Stern even ran the headline in March 2020: “The coronavirus has made virologist Christian Drosten the most sought-after man in the Republic, and a star.”[1]

For it was Christian Drosten who developed the PCR Corona test in January 2020, which from then on served as the standard method for detecting the Coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 worldwide. As Director of the Berlin Charité Institute, he is a very influential advisor to the German government and participated as an expert in many government press conferences.

Thus, through his assessments, he also significantly influenced far-reaching political decisions, such as the compulsory wearing of masks, the suspension of regular school lessons, or the closure of the entire catering industry….

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CONCLUSIONS:

Fatal mispredictions, numerous unexplained inconsistencies regarding his doctoral thesis, a hastily developed “SARS-CoV-2 PCR test” with fundamental scientific flaws, and an unsuspected quagmire of financial entanglements, deprive Christian Drosten of any credibility.

If the central key figure in the entire Corona crisis turns out to be untrustworthy upon closer examination, then this raises serious questions:

    1. On the basis of this unscientific foundation, must not the entire Corona events with the inevitable threat of economic and financial collapse of entire nations finally be investigated for those pulling the strings and profiteers in the background?

    2. Might it not therefore amount to a staged takeover and even lead to the introduction of digital surveillance of entire nations under the pretext of fighting a pandemic?

    3. Why do the mass media responsible for critical reporting fail to reveal the “Drosten file”, why do they keep it under wraps?

Interesting COMMENTS from the above article:

Luís Rodrigues-Coelho
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He didn’t develop it in Jan 2020; already in 2015 Richard of Rothschild was investing in a system and method for testing for Covid-19 [Google image it]. In 2017 this PCR test already had a patent. [SEE: https://principia-scientific.com/proof-the-rothschilds-patented-covid-19-biometric-tests-in-2015-2017/ ]

Understand that all this was planned years in advance and they practiced it several times: 2001 “dark winter”, 2010 Rockeffeler Foundation white “Scenarios for the Future of Technology and International Development”, 2017 “SPARS Pandemic 2025-2028” organized by the John Hopkins university, 2018 “Clad X”, sept 2019 “A World at Risk” by the Global Preparedness Monitoring Board and again John Hopkins oct 2019 “Event 201”.

I also recommend you read 2001 NASA slide presentation [240] “Future Strategic Issues/Future Warfare” given by the then CIA director. Ask yourselves what NASA has to do with psyops, brain projects, smart dust sprayed in the skies which end up in lungs which cause pathologies, microwave radiation and energy weapons and a lot more. Read the very last slide, how they knew that even if people hot to know about this presentation they wouldn’t believe since it look too far-fetched!

C19 and the Great Reset are part of the same global agenda which is gradually building a global dictatorship….

Charles Higley
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I would love to know how this correlates with the patenting of a “Covid-19 Test” back in 2015 by a Rockefeller. Is Drosten basically cover for the development of this test in a supposedly timely manner, masking its original production for the Pandemic? A sacrificial lamb for when the fallacies and inaccuracies of the PCR test are discovered and revealed?

JaKo

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Hi Charles,

There has been a “murmur” among experts since the spring of 2020, even a very revealing November 2020 Paper appeared, yet the neck of this supposedly Sacrificial Lamb is still intact…

Explanation?

One obvious one = there’s much more behind these “Lambs” than meets the eye.

Hint: Why aren’t we in a deep recession by now?

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Gail Combs