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Commies won’t win!
And we will keep saying COMMIES OUT until we get their FRAUD and INSANITY out of our country!
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Win the MAHA Front to Win the MAGA War
Recently, I had a bit of a revelation – followed by a much bigger one. The bigger revelation – the second one – is the title above. Specifically, it includes the MIDTERMS as a critical component.
We need to win on the MAHA front, to win the midterms. I’m not saying that MAHA is everything that wins the midterms. But I am saying that I believe MAHA victory is KEY to MAGA winning the midterms. And beyond.
Allow me to explain….
The First Revelation
At some point recently, I realized that the Democrats have seized on the idea of splitting MAHA against MAGA to weaken President Trump. They are seeking out natural contradictions between MAHA and MAGA, and looking for ways to turn the more liberal MAHA voters against President Trump.
scaring them on things like AI data centers
angering them on things like Epstein
disillusioning them on things like vaccines, RFKJ, etc.
playing to the racists and antisemites among them (this is orthogonal to MAHA, but is still depleting it)
And yet – ironically – we are making great strides on the MAHA front, if one simply looks at where we HAVE won battles. Yes, not everything is going our way RIGHT NOW, but seriously – we’re making a LOT of headway.
The Second Revelation
In my opinion, the Democrats and their allies in Big Harma, Bad Tech, and Cabal Finance, are barely hanging on in MAHA world – but they are using psy-ops and media mind control to convince us that we’re not winning. I’m not willing to go along with their bullshit.
In the last two or three years, I’ve stepped away from posting regularly about vaccines, medical technology, depop, and other MAHA topics, but I am being drawn back into the fight. Here is why.
We have had some great victories lately, from my scientific standpoint, but I feel that those victories are being underappreciated by MAHA. People are not seeing them. Each time, I realize just how “on the ropes” the Demmunists, the Faucists, the Weffen SS, and the Mandate Scumbags, really are.
I realize that if our side rallies around these MAHA victories, and push for more, we’re gonna CRUSH these criminals at the midterms.
I’m already seeing some recognition, on our side, of the “winnability” of this election by Trump and MAGA/MAHA in November. BUT – IMO – it’s not enough. It’s not as much as it should be.
Let’s just take a look at where things REALLY stand.
Fauci could have made a stand – but he didn’t. He pleaded the Fifth. This is a HUGE win for the forces of patients, real health, MAHA, and sanity.
Fauci’s top aide has pleaded guilty and is clearly cooperating with the DOJ on Fauci.
Fauci definitely committed federal money and ethics crimes, as called out by Josh Hawley in the Senate.
The mRNA flu vaccine is barely snaking by, and has demonstrated obviously and substantially lower safety than even the existing but still dubious traditional flu vaccines.
Even Grok admits that the mRNA flu vaccine is not a sound choice for vaccine-qualified patients in good health – and I believe that I can argue effectively that it’s not a good choice for MOST qualified but “should-be-contraindicated” patients.
CDC and FDA emails are TORCHING numerous villains of the Biden administration.
Top Slovakian academics were caught red-handed colluding with the mRNA vaccine industry to publish misleading science which knowingly minimized dangerous levels of DNA contamination in mRNA vaccines.
An impressive new theory liking alpha-gal syndrome to vaccines is not only fitting all the facts BETTER than pure tick-borne theories – it is explaining why Bill Gates doesn’t seem to mind those “boxes of ticks” accusations AT ALL. In fact – he may very well be BEHIND those misdirecting conspiracy theories.
The bottom line is that MAHA’s TRUTH-CENTERED SCIENCE is winning, and the MONEY SCIENCE that wants Trump gone yesterday is in big, big trouble. The other side is desperate, and doing desperate things.
And not only that – they are being swept away. We are changing the ecosystem.
I believe – strongly – that we can REFORM science in the next few years, if we (1) win the midterms, and (2) push to victory for MAHA during this election cycle.
But better still, I believe that if MAHA can WIN and SEE ITS OWN WINS during 2026, the winning of the midterms by MAGA is assured.
Republican presidential nominee former President Donald Trump shakes hands with Independent presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. at a campaign rally at the Desert Diamond Arena, Friday, Aug. 23, 2024, in Glendale, Ariz. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)
Thus, our task is to HELP MAHA WIN, and then to HELP MAHA SEE THE WINS.
I believe this site can be a VERY strong fighter in this cause.
There will be push-back – on many fronts. Some will be in this world. Some will be spiritual. We will contend with both. But we are positioned to help MAHA win, and MAHA’s win will insure that MAGA wins.
Please join me in this endeavor. Whether your support is spiritual, intellectual, moral or emotional, it is WELCOMED. Help to keep this site pure, God-loving, honest, friendly, welcoming, and free of unnecessary conflict (note that I did not say ALL conflict). Do what you think best – pitch in where you feel you can help.
There are 72 days until the election. Let’s make them count!
This DePat Tuesday Open Thread honors the author of the original Tuesday open thread on this site, namely the late Susie Sampson, a.k.a. Deplorable Patriot, among her other handles, pen names, etc.
For more on the untimely passing of Dear DePat, please see these three posts.
At one time, DePat handled FOUR daily open threads here, in addition to taking care of her relatives, choir duties, and numerous other responsibilities. She was a powerhouse – a dynamo – a true force of nature.
DePat’s faith in Trump, Q, “The Plan”, the White Hats, and “the anons” in general, was legendary. Although I didn’t always agree with her quick acceptance of some sketchier evidence and fringier theories, I will gladly admit to “coming around” to numerous so-called “conspiracy theories” which she championed first. I was always careful to give her credit for being right, too, when I had been wrong.
It is impossible to overstate how much DePat did for not only this site, but for her country. I urge all to say a quick prayer of thanks, whenever you think of her, for the privilege of knowing, in life or after death, such an exemplary human being, and lover of God.
And thank you, Susie, for the firm foundation which you left us, when you were called to your true home!
Is There Another Cell Nucleus Hall Pass in the New mRNA Flu Vaccine, mFlusiva?
Let’s start off with some history.
Are you aware of the fact that both the Moderna AND the Pfizer COVID vaccines contained a genetic sequence that acts like a “hall pass” or “VIP ticket”, allowing the holder to get into the nucleus of human cells?
Were it not for somebody dropping a link to an obscure paper in my Twitter timeline back in early 2023, I would have never realized how extra sketchy that made both the virus and the vaccines – and especially the latter, since it would have been theoretically possible to remove the nuclear hall pass from the spike protein used as the vaccine.
Let me repeat that. They left the “hall pass” in the mRNA code for the vaccine.
But – and I have to stress this – it was not just that this “hall pass” was there. No. It was much worse. The paper in question was experimental, and it showed that the viral spike protein not only contained the hall pass, but that it WORKED. The hall pass actually worked to get the spike protein into the nucleus. They even had PICTURES of it in the nucleus.
The hall pass not only got the spike protein into the nucleus – the spike protein THEN got the mRNA that coded for it into the nucleus, as well.
Yes. You are reading that correctly. The spike protein of SARS-CoV-2 has a known sequence in it that ends up getting both IT and the mRNA that created it, into the cell nucleus.
One would THINK that this might be a big deal. Especially after we were REASSURED that NO, VIRGINIA – THE mRNA WILL NEVER, EVER GET INTO THE CELL NUCLEUS, YOU FOOLISH VACCINE SKEPTICS.
Are you seeing why this is kind of a big deal?
SO – NOW – my question about the new mRNA flu shot is similar.
I could ask whether the flu vaccine’s “spike protein” (it’s called a “hemagglutinin glycoprotein”) also has a hall pass that gets it into the cell nucleus. I could even ask if the influenza HA glycoprotein also “escorts” its own mRNA into the nucleus, as does the COVID spike protein.
However, that requires experimentation. I can’t do that work.
OK – can I just ask if the mRNA flu shots contain the hall pass into the nucleus?
Well, it turns out that you can ask, but there’s not necessarily an answer.
I could not find the answer, so I asked Grok.
And I asked Grok a slightly less pointed version of the question, since I am perfectly capable of checking for nuclear translocation sequences myself, so that Grok would not detect “conspiracy theory thinking” on my part, and thereby not consign my question to the “talk down to this human” conga line of incomplete answers.
Q: Is there a published mRNA sequence for the new mRNA flu vaccine, mFlusiva, from Moderna?
A: (from Grok)
No, there does not appear to be a publicly published full mRNA (nucleotide) sequence for Moderna’s mFlusiva (mRNA-1010).
mFlusiva is the FDA-approved (as of early August 2026) trivalent mRNA influenza vaccine for adults 50+ (traditional approval for ages 50–64; accelerated for 65+). Each 0.38 mL dose contains 37.5 µg total mRNA (12.5 µg each of three RNAs) encoding the full-length hemagglutinin (HA) glycoproteins of the season’s recommended strains (for the 2026–2027 formula: A/Missouri/11/2025 (H1N1)pdm09-like, A/Michigan/105/2025 [A/Darwin/1415/2025 (H3N2)-like], and B/Pennsylvania/19/2025 [B/Pennsylvania/14/2025-like]), formulated in lipid nanoparticles (SM-102, PEG2000-DMG, cholesterol, DSPC).
Public documents (prescribing information/DailyMed, FDA briefing documents and clinical review, Moderna product pages, and peer-reviewed trial publications) describe the composition, encoded antigens/strains, manufacturing process (in vitro transcription, no cells/eggs), and clinical data, but they do not disclose the actual nucleotide sequences of the mRNAs. These would include codon optimization, specific 5′/3′ UTRs, poly(A) tail, nucleoside modifications (typically N1-methylpseudouridine, as used in Moderna’s platform), and any stabilizing mutations (noted for the influenza B HA in non-surface-exposed regions).
The underlying viral HA amino-acid (or genomic) sequences of the recommended strains are publicly available via databases such as GISAID or NCBI, as with any seasonal flu vaccine components.
Moderna and related patents/publications disclose example or earlier-generation influenza mRNA constructs, sequences for other candidates, or general platform elements (e.g., UTRs used in some Moderna mRNAs), but not the proprietary, strain-updated commercial sequences for the approved mFlusiva product. patents.google.com
This is consistent with how proprietary vaccine sequences (including prior Moderna mRNA products) are typically handled—they are not routinely released in full in labeling or regulatory summaries.
In short, while the antigens, doses, and high-level design are public, the exact published mRNA sequence for mFlusiva is not available. Any claims of a full sequence circulating would need independent verification against primary sources.
(END GROK)
(BEGIN WOLF)
First of all, just for the record, this is a great answer. Once again, thank you, Elon!
This situation seems a bit different from small-molecule drugs, where the exact molecules in the drug MUST be described in full, not only to the FDA, but to the public. Probably a feature that big pharma will eventually pay government to remove, but until then, something that certainly cramps their style.
Now, I was able to track things down a bit, and get CLOSE to the actual sequence for the vaccine, but I have been unable to find the exact sequence.
Product Information Product Type VACCINE Item Code (Source) NDC:80777-500 Route of Administration INTRAMUSCULAR
Active Ingredient/Active Moiety
Ingredient Name Basis of Strength Strength RNA-101-BFL3 (UNII: FPY755GU6Z) (RNA-101-BFL3 – UNII:FPY755GU6Z) RNA-101-BFL3 12.5 ug in 0.38 mL RNA-101-BFL6 (UNII: G35CN36JAP) (RNA-101-BFL6 – UNII:G35CN36JAP) RNA-101-BFL6 12.5 ug in 0.38 mL RNA-101-BFL5 (UNII: WAH8KM77XC) (RNA-101-BFL5 – UNII:WAH8KM77XC) RNA-101-BFL5 12.5 ug in 0.38 mL
3115056-86-2 RNA (recombinant 5′-(m7G-(5′→5′)-ppp-Gm)-capped all uridine→N1-methylpseudouridine-substituted influenza A (Missouri/11/2025 (A/H1N1))-like virus hemagglutinin codon-optimized transgene plus 5′- and 3′-untranslated flanking region-containing poly(A)-tailed messenger RNA-101-BFL3), inner salt
(b)
3115056-85-1 RNA (recombinant 5′-(m7G-(5′→5′)-ppp-Gm)-capped all uridine→N1-methylpseudouridine-substituted influenza A (Michigan/105/2025 (A/H3N2))-like virus hemagglutinin codon-optimized transgene plus 5′- and 3′-untranslated flanking region-containing poly(A)-tailed messenger RNA-101-BFL5), inner salt
(c)
3118110-32-7 RNA (recombinant 5′-(m7G-(5′→5′)-ppp-Gm)-capped all uridine→N1-methylpseudouridine-substituted influenza B/Victoria Pennsylvania/19/2025-like virus hemagglutinin [288-valine,381-tyrosine] codon-optimized transgene plus 5′- and 3′-untranslated flanking region-containing poly(A)-tailed messenger RNA-101-BFL6), inner salt
That is as far as I could go. Registry numbers and names. Trying to look up the CAS registry numbers failed.
CAS Common Chemistry covers – well – common chemicals, including some surprisingly unusual ones, but it clearly doesn’t cover everything. For a lot of molecules – ones that are not “public figures” – one has to get behind the paywall by buying a product like SciFinder.
For example, CAS Common Chemistry has a page for one of the allegedly inactive substances in the vaccine – tromethamine.
SIDEBAR: I’ll do a whole post about tromethamine later – it’s one of the best and most hilarious demonstrations of the (to borrow Scott’s verbiage) “weak, fake and gay” duplicity of the pharma-government-fincorp-media complex that I’ve ever seen. I’m personally glad they smartly added this compound to the clot shot, but to lie about why they did it – just so WEAK, FAKE AND GAY!
It is possible that the three names we retrieved above would allow trained biochemists to get very close to the actual sequences that were used, but in reality, to get the full, exact composition, including DNA contamination, we will almost certainly have to wait for independent researchers to analyze and sequence vials of the mFlusiva vaccine.
SO – in answer to the original question, we won’t truly know if there is either a public or secret access code to the cell nucleus in this vaccine, until somebody in free science actually analyzes the sequence of the vaccine, and somebody else actually checks and sees if the protein and/or the mRNA gets trafficked into the nucleus.
To borrow a saying from Nancy Pelosi, “We have to inject it, to find out what’s in it.”
Honestly, I think if Thomas Jefferson saw what patents have done to science, he would pull the whole idea up by the roots and figure out some other way to implement it. What that something else is, I don’t know. But what we have now is clearly problematic.
This Stormwatch Monday Open Thread remains open – VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA/KAG/KMAG world (with KMAG being a bit of both).
Our various sister sites, listed in the Blogroll in the sidebar
Our beloved country is STILL under DIRECT THREATS by hostile forces – notably COMMUNISTS – and they’re HERE IN AMERICA.
Daily outrage and commie phuckery still abound.
We can give in to despair…or we can be defiant and fight back in any way that we can.
Commies won’t win!
And we will keep saying COMMIES OUT until we get their FRAUD and INSANITY out of our country!
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Let’s Talk About Virus, Vaccine, and Protein Shedding
I have noticed something very interesting about the “shedding” phenomenon.
The “vaxxes can do no wrong” side doesn’t like to talk about shedding. They don’t bring shedding up, and they frequently change the subject when an argument about shedding gets started.
It’s easy to dismiss “shedding” as a conspiracy theory, but once one sees actual Pfizer documentation on the topic (link now dead, curiously), the reality of “shedding” in the vaccine world hits one square in the face. Media shills for vaccines may be crowing on TV that “shedding” is all a big lie, but when the vaccine manufacturer is testing the vaccine, suddenly it’s the greatest danger of the study, and test participants find themselves separated if not isolated from spouses, infants, relatives and friends. Yet another reason people cannot stand the lying fake news media.
The most disingenuous current deflection of the problem in vaccines, is that the FDA has a HUGE concern with the shedding of “gene therapy” products – which often use mRNA in lipid nanoparticles – but then says that it’s not a problem in mRNA vaccines because they’re not classified as gene therapy products. Robert Malone has always been highly critical of this teenager-level dodge of responsibility, and frankly I think anybody involved in that scandal needs to be fired from government and possibly prosecuted for fraud. It’s the same weak chutzpah as the 17-year-old murderer of his parents, demanding first leniency as an orphan, and then prosecution as a juvenile, when the initial lunacy doesn’t prevail.
I recall the first time I read documentation of how shedding of a vaccine was to be guarded against in a major vaccine clinical trial, by significant restrictions of the participants from close contact with other people during the observation period.
Shedding of a virus – why – that’s just DISEASE. Communicable disease. We are all familiar with THAT.
Well, vaccines can be a virus – including weakened and incompletely deactivated viruses. It can even be a normal but less pathogenic virus, like cowpox, used as a literal vaccine against a more dangerous virus like smallpox. A weak but “live” virus may be difficult to transmit, but in many cases, transmission is still possible.
Shedding of a virus per se is the most potentially dangerous form of shedding, but it’s also the most well-known, and the easiest to understand. A limited number of viral particles is all that is necessary to start a disease in a new host. Being a victim of viral shedding is literally catching a disease. This is reality – something that happens all the time with common colds and influenza-like diseases (ILIs). Catching a shed virus is vaccination against catching the exact same form again – but not against sufficiently mutated forms. We are familiar with THAT from COVID-19.
So when people catch a communicable viral disease, they catch a shed virus, start constructing the virus, and then shed the virus again. Simple, and very real. But the outcome of viral infection is very uncertain, and that unpredictability ends up being a liability of using sheddable viruses as vaccines.
There is a reason I’m harping on this form of shedding. One needs to keep shedding of vaccine in perspective with the more dangerous, more likely, and more consequential shedding of virus. If you suddenly experience symptoms of a disease, including symptoms of the protein produced by that disease, then it is far more likely that you are a victim of shedding of the actual virus, than shedding of the vaccine. This is a simple reality, which I believe has led many patriots, including Deplorable Patriot, astray, in losing focus on relative risks. It is important to keep ALL forms of shedding in mind.
Shedding of Proteins
At the other end of danger, is the shedding of viral proteins, but not the virus itself. Let’s consider that.
Viral proteins can’t reproduce, but they CAN show all the bad properties of other nasty, dangerous, pathogenic proteins.
For example, the spike proteins of corona viruses are notoriously pathogenic, and when they are administered to test animals in an aerosol, they create immediate pulmonary disease, and can even kill the test animals. Yes, it’s shocking.
Still not convinced that a small amount of “shed” protein can be dangerous? Let’s talk about snake venoms.
Snake venoms are mostly dangerous because of pathogenic proteins, and these proteins are often very similar to bacterial or viral proteins, or arthropod venoms, as well as powerful digestive enzymes.
The thing is – and you likely didn’t know this – venomous snakes “shed” not only their skin, but also their VENOM. That fact is why people who care for venomous reptiles need to wear gloves and respirators when they clean cages. Shake venom gets into the cage dust, and cleaning it out exposes workers to skin and respiratory dangers pretty much like test animals breathing corona virus spike proteins in an aerosol.
So, again, shedding of pathogenic proteins can be real.
The only questions are, what viral protein is it, how is one being exposed to it, and how much of it is one being exposed to.
I’ve discussed this in the past, when we talked about the possibility of shed spike protein having the potency to cause symptoms in a person being shed upon. You can refresh yourself with the discussion in the following post and other linked posts here.
How much exposure to pathogenic protein is allowable? That is a HUGE question – and between the extremes of total neglect and total fear, lies something called “exposure and immunity”. Including “natural immunity”. We’ll return to that topic later.
Shedding of Vaccines
In between the shedding of intact viruses, and the shedding of viral proteins, lies an intermediate possibility – the shedding of what in nature are called “virus-like particles”, or what in medicine are called “lipid nanoparticles”.
These are mRNA or DNA enclosed in something like a lipid nanoparticle, or the outer shell of a different virus.
These are, bluntly, mRNA vaccines.
In terms of both danger and safety, lipid nanoparticle vaccines are intermediate between live viral vaccines (always dangerous, IMO) and protein vaccines (least dangerous, IMO). Why is this? Well, bluntly, viruses propagate as a chain reaction, and have very little control over outcome. In contrast, a metered amount of a dead protein has great control over the outcome. mRNA vaccines are in between. They don’t reproduce, but they do create a greater but unpredictable amount of viral protein.
Pierre Kory has a very nice article about vaccine shedding, which I invite you to read.
By the time you finish that, you will understand that there is some need to address this issue now.
As a bit of an aside, you should note that Cory is AGAINST the use of nicotine patches for treatment of spike protein toxicosis, believing (as I do) that it probably has far more risks than benefits. This is highly relevant for DePat’s case.
Technical Approaches to Prevention of Shedding Injury
It is my belief that any good method to deal with both mRNA vaccine shedding and corresponding protein shedding should have the following characteristics.
Prevention is preferred to treatment
Treatment can be separate from prevention
Earlier is better for both prevention and treatment
Vaccine is more dangerous than protein, and is thus a priority
The final point needs some explanation.
While the protein can be dangerous at high enough levels, one of the greatest dangers of the vaccine is that it produces large quantities of the protein, and is thus automatically orders of magnitude more dangerous than the protein alone. This is not even considering the dangers of the mRNA technology itself.
Destroy the mRNA vaccine, and there is no protein made, nor any mRNA mechanism allowed to function badly.
Thus, targeting the shed vaccine FIRST makes sense.
THAT makes things easy, because the vaccine can be destroyed easily, provided that it has not yet entered the body.
The mRNA vaccines utilize lipid nanoparticles (a.k.a. liposomes) to enter cells. While these little particles are exceedingly dangerous at a cellular level, they have an intrinsic weakness – their easy destructibility by surfactants – meaning soaps and other cleaning agents.
I posed a research question to Grok, regarding this approach, and got a VERY satisfactory answer.
THE QUESTION
Grok, please give me a list of substances (ranging from specific chemical compounds to branded products) that are known to rapidly disrupt, break up, absorb, and/or inactivate liposomes, including liposomes that are referred to in the mainstream press as “lipid nanoparticles”. I am interested in both surface treatments (cleaning agents, topical medicines, skin washes, soaps, lotions, etc.) as well as things which can be taken internally (oral or injectable), as medicines, that are more specific for disrupting liposomes in the bloodstream, for example as an antidote to an inappropriately administered lipid nanoparticle vaccine, e.g., given mistakenly to an allergic patient.
THE ANSWER
BEGIN GROK
Surfactants/detergents (most effective and commonly documented disruptors of liposomes and lipid nanoparticles/LNPs), organic solvents, cyclodextrins, and certain other agents can solubilize or destabilize lipid bilayers. These work primarily by intercalating into the bilayer, extracting lipids/cholesterol, forming mixed micelles, or increasing permeability/leakage until the vesicle structure collapses. Effects are concentration-, composition-, and condition-dependent (lipid type, cholesterol content, PEG coating, temperature, pH, etc.). LNPs used in mRNA vaccines share similar phospholipid/cholesterol/PEG-lipid components and are susceptible in vitro to the same classes of agents. pubs.acs.org +2
There is no established, safe, specific medical antidote that rapidly and selectively disrupts circulating LNPs (e.g., after mistaken administration of an mRNA vaccine to an allergic patient). LNPs are designed to be temporary and are cleared primarily via the mononuclear phagocyte system (liver/spleen), with natural degradation of the lipids. Systemic attempts to force rapid disruption with the agents below would generally be highly toxic (hemolysis, cell membrane damage, organ injury) and are not clinically used or recommended for this purpose. Allergic/anaphylactic reactions are managed with standard emergency care (epinephrine, antihistamines, corticosteroids, supportive measures), not LNP disruption.
Surface treatments / topical / cleaning agentsThese are relevant for cleaning residues, skin washes, or external inactivation:
Anionic, nonionic, and other surfactants/detergents: Sodium dodecyl sulfate (SDS/SLS), Triton X-100, Tween 20 (polysorbate 20), Brij surfactants, Zwittergent 3-14, quaternary ammonium compounds, and commercial soaps/detergents containing these. They saturate bilayers then convert liposomes/LNPs into mixed micelles. Used in lab assays (e.g., RiboGreen for mRNA release from LNPs) and industrial cleaning of LNP residues. Alkaline formulated detergents (e.g., potassium hydroxide-based) are effective for equipment cleaning of LNP residues at elevated temperature/contact time. pharmtech.com +2
Bile salts (sodium cholate, deoxycholate, taurocholate, etc.): Strong solubilizers of phospholipid bilayers; well-studied for vesicle-to-micelle transitions. Present in some digestive/intestinal contexts and used experimentally.
Alcohols and organic solvents: Ethanol, isopropanol, methanol (typically high concentrations). Disrupt hydrophobic interactions; improve solubility of lipids for cleaning but raise flammability/handling issues. pharmtech.com
Cyclodextrins (especially methylated or randomly methylated β-cyclodextrin / RAMEB / DMe-β-CD, and to varying degrees α-, β-, HP-β-CD): Extract cholesterol and phospholipids from membranes, increasing permeability, leakage, or causing collapse at sufficient concentrations. Effects depend on CD type, dose, and membrane cholesterol content. link.springer.com +2
Other noted factors: High concentrations of certain kosmotropic salts (e.g., ammonium sulfate) can aggregate/precipitate PEGylated liposomes; extreme pH, heat, or oxidation can destabilize; some nanoparticles or polymers can tear or fragment membranes under specific conditions.
Branded/consumer products that contain the above (many soaps, dish detergents, hand washes, some lotions or topical cleansers with surfactants/alcohols) can disrupt lipid structures on surfaces. Efficacy varies widely with formulation and contact conditions.
Internal (oral or injectable) agents
The same surfactants, bile salts, solvents, and high-dose cyclodextrins that work in vitro or on surfaces are generally not safe or selective for bloodstream use against LNPs. They disrupt host cell membranes (including red blood cells) at effective concentrations.
Bile salts occur physiologically in the intestine and can destabilize orally administered liposomes, but systemic (bloodstream) levels for intentional LNP disruption are not a therapeutic approach.
Cyclodextrins have pharmaceutical uses (e.g., solubilizing agents) and can interact with membranes, but high systemic doses for rapid LNP inactivation are not established as safe or effective antidotes and carry risks.
No specific medicines or injectables are approved or routinely described as LNP-disrupting antidotes for vaccine mishaps. Research on LNP fate focuses on clearance, protein corona, MPS uptake, and formulation stability rather than forced rapid inactivation in blood. nature.com
Important caveats: Literature on disruption is largely from in vitro biophysics, pharmaceutical formulation/stability studies, cleaning validation, or drug-delivery research—not clinical antidote development for circulating LNPs. “Rapid” disruption typically requires relatively high local concentrations of surfactant relative to lipid. PEG coatings or cholesterol content can modulate stability. Self-experimentation or off-label use of detergents, solvents, or high-dose agents internally is dangerous and not supported.
For any real-world allergic reaction or medical concern involving a vaccine or LNP product, seek immediate professional medical care; do not attempt chemical disruption. If this is related to laboratory work, cleaning protocols, or formulation science, consult primary literature or specialists for concentration- and condition-specific details.
END GROK
Let me translate all of that.
As long as the shed vaccine is still on the surface of your skin, on clothing, on a mask, or on a surface in your house, the vaccine can be destroyed by all sorts of cleaning products, including surfactants, soaps of all kinds, alcohols, oxidizing agents, bile salts, cyclodextrins, and probably anything useful for cleaning.
Further, any lotions or surface treatments which do not aid in skin penetration (like DMSO), but which do sweep things away from direct contact with your cells, are likely to be helpful in delaying, dissolving, and degrading lipid nanoparticles. Imagine spilled chemical on your skin – it’s the same principle. Diluting the vaccine and/or washing it off make sense.
It is a much different story once a lipid nanoparticle vaccine is inside you – be that from prolonged skin contact, breathing, swallowing, or any other route into your body (like the mRNA jab). None of these things work, once the vaccine is inside you, or in the bloodstream. In fact, these cleaning agents are just as dangerous to your internal cellular machinery (lipid-coated droplets) as they are to the lipid nanoparticles. However, as long as the shed vaccine doesn’t get into your bloodstream (a lower probability than a surface reaction), you don’t have to worry as much about that, as about vaccine damage to skin or mucus membranes where shed vaccine made contact.
Thus, the best time to fight shedding, IMO, is soon after contact. Washing, application of lotions or alcohols, etc., should inactivate shed vaccine. Washing away or denaturing shed protein is also likely to work at the same time.
Again, it is important to remember is that systemic problems from shedding are much less likely than surface problems.
A Realistic Program Against Shedding
This is my opinion. Others may differ. That’s OK. I am just offering my perspective. YMMV.
My first concern remains shedding of virus.
If I am not accepting the trade-offs of the vaccine itself, then my protection is my immune system. My immune system has worked very nicely over the years, against colds, flu, and flu-like illnesses, including all forms of COVID as well as non-COVID coronaviruses. There are appropriately long gaps between infections, and the infections (except for OG Wuhan) have not been debilitating, indicating a functioning immune system.
My immune system is always supplemented with plenty of vitamin D, because vitamin D levels are extremely highly correlated with immunity to viruses. The relationship is stark, and backed by the strongest science. Rates of viral infections almost disappear at high serum levels of vitamin D. There are probable mechanisms for this, but I literally don’t care what they are. Without knowing the causation, the correlation still works. I cannot recommend vitamin D enough. You need to be supplementing it, and maintaining maximum exposure to sunlight. Better still, a measurement of serum levels, but it’s not cheap and your doctor likely won’t recommend it.
Doesn’t matter. Supplementation is cheap and easy and not dangerous, so why not just make sure you are taking a few thousand IUs daily? Just do it. When you notice an appropriately long time between colds and flu, you know you’re taking enough.
Likewise, I make sure that I am not deficient in any vitamin or mineral. Vitamin C, magnesium, selenium and zinc are very important.
However, THIS is even more important.
Avoiding crowded events is critical to reducing exposure to shed viruses. I can link almost every case of influenza or coronavirus infection in recent years to a specific event where there were lots of people crowded together.
In other words, shedding. Viral shedding. As in, viral shedding by people in close proximity.
Thus, avoid crowded public events, particularly in the wintertime, when viruses are maximally spread.
After viral shedding, my next concern is vaccine shedding.
IMO casual vaccine shedding from strangers in momentary close proximity, but not direct physical contact, is far, far less of a problem than living with a vaxxed person for that week after vaccination. Even worse, sleeping with that person who just had a vax.
You should note that my concerns here are EXACTLY what the pharmaceutical industry is concerned about in vaccine trials. That includes live virus AND gene therapy products (even if they don’t call them gene therapy products).
My recommendation is to avoid close contact with vaxxed people for at least 2 days after vaccination, and better a full week. Two weeks should be more than enough, always.
Why? Because the vaccine itself degrades. Even if a person take the vaccine, and shows all sorts of disease symptoms for weeks if not months (please pray for them if this is the case) due to vax-initiated protein production that won’t shut off, they are unable to transmit the vaccine to you, because it is no longer there. The vaccine is degraded, but protein production may still be running.
What about shed vaccine when we can’t avoid being around an individual?
This is when to use soaps, alcohol-based gels, and other skin products. This is when to wash your hands after that oily, wet handshake from some just-jabbed joker, sweating profusely due to their mRNA jab. This is when to stand back from people who can’t “say it” without the need to “spray it”. And note that all of this works even better for VIRUS.
IMO, the vaccine is a far greater danger to you, than the protein these poor victims are now producing. YOU don’t want to be inappropriately producing the protein.
And HERE is where my opinion is likely to differ with yours.
My final concern, about exposure to environmental viral protein, is largely not a concern.
Why? Because this is the natural way in which we build immunity.
Even against a bioweapon. I repeat. Even against a bioweapon – as either a virus or a vaccine.
I literally don’t care if the neighbor sheds small amounts of spike protein or flu proteins on me, because THAT is the vaccination that I prefer – the one for which I am designed. Likewise, I am unconcerned with exposure to dead virus, because THAT is basically how we are naturally prepared for exposure to live virus.
Do I want to inject a protein or dead virus vaccine into me? Maybe – but more likely not. I am now very cautious about vaccines, given that I have lost much trust in the current “vaccine cult” in science. I still trust God and His natural evolutionary reality, however, so I am far more likely to simply trust a combination of pre-exposure of my healthy immune system to proteins, followed by full natural immunity from a well-tolerated episode of the disease.
Rabies? That’s a different story. I’ll take the vaxx, as long as it’s not mRNA. I’ve already done so, once before. I would ONLY take an mRNA rabies vaccine if the animal was confirmed to be rabid, because then it’s a “lesser of two confirmed evils” situation.
I am not going to get pregnant any time soon, and I’ve already had COVID and influenza several times each, so I’m not terribly concerned about exposure to proteins from new variants. In fact, I am at the point of “keeping up” with the latest versions.
SO – some jabbie wants to expose me to the latest spike protein in a non-infective way? Please! Not a problem. Go right ahead. Flu proteins? Be my guest. But I won’t let them expose me to the Soviet Trabant two-stroke mRNA vaccine which I very intentionally decided NOT to take.
And again, my final point. Even if the vaccine AND the protein it produces are “bioweapons” – guess what? I want to be immune to it. I want my system to adapt to its presence. I want natural immunity to all this shit – whether it’s purely “old natural” or “the new natural” that includes stupid human gain-of-function scientific error.
Do you see what I’m saying? GOD has this situation – ALREADY. Let go and let God – just do it at the right time and place.
I hope this helps. If you have questions, feel free to ask.
I will be hitting VERY HARD on the topic of mRNA vaccines in general, and the mRNA flu shot mFlusiva in particular, over the next few weeks.
I will be refreshing your memories to get you all back into FIGHTING SHAPE.
To begin with, I strongly suggest watching this 1 HOUR movie about mRNA vaccines. The main reason is that it will AWAKEN your dormant memories of the world under COVID. Automatic brain boost for our purposes.
I also think it is very important to see interviews with actual vaccine-injured people.
This movie will show you the reality of vaccine injury.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
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THE MOVIE:
Chapters:
00:00 Intro 02:53 Surgeon Joel Wallskog’s health issues 06:21 Operation Warp Speed initiative 06:38 Former CDC Director on mRNA vaccines 07:35 Regulators’ safety assessment 08:09 Calls to pause mRNA vaccines 09:32 mRNA researcher Robert Malone 12:56 Pathologist Ryan Cole on COVID vaccination 14:14 Cardiologist Aseem Malhotra on heart health 14:37 Cardiologist Peter McCullough on side effects 17:28 Scientist Jessica Rose on vaccine concerns 18:41 Critical care specialist Paul Marik on patient community 21:17 Explaining mRNA 23:45 How mRNA vaccines work 27:06 Spike protein and possible effects 30:57 Pathologist Arne Burkhardt’s biopsy findings 32:49 Health agencies’ safety stance 33:38 Vaccination in pregnancy and children 34:22 Artist Jessica Sutta’s health issues 39:03 Future uses of mRNA technology 42:55 Tobie Vergara’s health issues 45:12 History of mRNA vaccines 46:44 Modified mRNA technology 48:40 mRNA research status in 2017 49:07 Toxicity concerns in 2017 49:33 Progress in mRNA technology 49:50 mRNA vaccines during the pandemic 55:41 Support for post-vaccination syndrome 57:06 Doctors offering assistance Sources, studies, timecodes: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/…
TL;DR – I asked Grok a short question designed to elicit all the information I would need to quickly determine the “lay of the land” concerning the new Moderna mRNA flu shot.
I will give you the question, the answer, my analysis of the response, and my summarizing opinion. Part of that opinion is this.
I don’t take the flu shot any more, and I don’t take mRNA shots at all. The current facts surrounding the new mRNA flu shot have – in my opinion – strongly confirmed the correctness of these positions. I will not be taking this shot, and I will counsel all my friends and loved ones not to take it.
And, as part of loving my enemies, including those adorable radical pro-vaxx people, bless their hearts, I will counsel them to stick with older flu shots, if they feel they must take something. The risks of older flu shots are smaller, with roughly no net benefit, but at least they are not accepting a far WORSE AND RISKIER vaccination platform, compared to older flu shots, for what is, IMO – only marginal improvement in some indicators, and zero correction of fundamental problems which became known during the COVID shots.
The Question
Your mileage will vary on how to interpret this response by Grok. I think you and I are likely on the same page, but taking this information to most of our friends and neighbors who trust vaccines in general, won’t be easy. Because it’s a flu shot and not a COVID shot, many will assume automatically that it’s safe.
Again – I needed a fast summary of the new Moderna mRNA flu shot, as I am trying to figure out quickly where things are going. I wanted to know the technology first. “First seek to understand – then seek to be understood.”
Thus, I asked for scientific depth, but otherwise brevity. This is a good description of a scientific abstract.
Here was my question to Grok (version 4.5, described as “Fast” on X).
Please give me a brief but scientifically deep explanation of the technology used in Moderna’s recently approved mRNA flu shot. I’m curious about two things in particular – which influenza protein is encoded, and which form of mRNA tech is being used (i.e., is it self-amplifying or more conventional). I’m also wondering if any changes in the basic mRNA technology have been made to address inherent problems of the mRNA platform, including the fact that (statistically) some recipients suffer undesirable long-term production of target protein, as well as travel of lipid nanoparticles away from the injection site.
The Answer
Grok’s response is, IMO, roughly neutral, although in a couple of places I see a fairly mild but rather typical “mainstream bias”. I’ll get to that later, as I analyze the response.
The first paragraph of the reply is bolded by Grok as a summary.
I have included paragraph-end citation links as the full links, instead of shortened active hyperlinks that Grok uses at the end of paragraphs. In one case, that turns into an embedded tweet.
Grok’s response:
Conventional (non-replicating, nucleoside-modified) mRNA encoding influenza hemagglutinin (HA) surface glycoproteins from the relevant WHO-recommended strains (trivalent in the approved formulation: A/H1N1, A/H3N2, and B/Victoria), delivered in the same type of lipid nanoparticles (LNPs) used for Moderna’s COVID-19 vaccines (SM-102 ionizable lipid platform).
Moderna’s recently FDA-approved seasonal flu vaccine (mRNA-1010, branded mFlusiva/mFLUSIVA) for adults ≥50 years uses the company’s established non-replicating mRNA platform. It is not self-amplifying RNA (saRNA/sa-mRNA). saRNA constructs include alphavirus-derived replicase genes that enable intracellular RNA amplification and prolonged antigen expression at lower doses; mRNA-1010 does not. It relies on the same core technology as Spikevax: in vitro-transcribed, nucleoside-modified mRNA (typically incorporating N1-methylpseudouridine to reduce innate sensing and improve translation) with 5′ cap, optimized UTRs, and poly(A) tail, formulated in LNPs.
The encoded antigen is the full-length (membrane-anchored) hemagglutinin glycoprotein of the selected seasonal strains. HA is the primary surface protein mediating viral attachment and entry; neutralizing antibodies targeting its head domain (and to a lesser extent the stalk) are the main correlate of protection measured by hemagglutination-inhibition (HAI) assays. The approved product is trivalent (reflecting the current seasonal composition after B/Yamagata’s decline), with total mRNA dose around 37.5 μg (roughly 12.5 μg per strain). Earlier development versions were quadrivalent. The platform allows rapid sequence updates to match circulating strains without egg adaptation.
No fundamental redesign of the mRNA or LNP platform specifically for this flu vaccine has been publicly detailed to address the concerns you raise. Protein expression from conventional modified mRNA is inherently transient: the mRNA is degraded by cellular nucleases over days (typically peaking within hours to a day or two and declining substantially within a week or so in standard preclinical models), so continuous long-term production of the target protein is not a designed or statistically expected feature in recipients. Observed antigen persistence in draining lymph nodes (sometimes detectable for weeks in some studies of COVID mRNA vaccines) supports germinal-center reactions rather than ongoing systemic protein synthesis from residual mRNA. Claims of undesirable long-term production are not supported as a common or inherent platform failure in the clinical data for these vaccines.
LNP biodistribution after intramuscular injection is predominantly local (injection-site muscle and draining lymph nodes), with smaller fractions reaching the spleen and, to a lesser extent, liver; distant tissue accumulation is minimal and components clear relatively rapidly (often low/undetectable by ~1–2 weeks in available data). The SM-102-based LNPs (ionizable lipid + cholesterol + helper phospholipid + PEG-lipid) used here are the same biodegradable class employed in Spikevax; they were selected in part for improved tolerability and clearance relative to earlier ionizable lipids. No public evidence indicates major new chemistry (e.g., substantially altered ionizable lipids, targeting ligands, or miRNA-regulated expression) unique to mFlusiva to further restrict off-target travel. Dose is lower than original COVID primary series doses, which reduces overall exposure.
The LNPs in Moderna’s mRNA flu vaccine (mRNA-1010/mFLUSIVA) use the same proprietary SM-102-based platform as Spikevax. Composition, size, and biodistribution are essentially identical: most stay at the injection site, a fraction reaches lymph nodes and spleen, with rapid…
In short, this is an evolutionary application of the proven non-replicating modified-mRNA + LNP system to HA antigens, leveraging manufacturing speed and the ability to induce strong humoral (and some cellular) responses without egg-based production constraints. Clinical data supported superior relative efficacy versus standard-dose inactivated vaccines in the pivotal trial, with a reactogenicity profile consistent with other mRNA vaccines (more local and systemic reactions that are mostly mild–moderate and transient).
My Analysis
I’m going to take that response a piece at a time.
Paragraph 1
The first paragraph is a summary, and it’s key.
Conventional (non-replicating, nucleoside-modified) mRNA encoding influenza hemagglutinin (HA) surface glycoproteins from the relevant WHO-recommended strains (trivalent in the approved formulation: A/H1N1, A/H3N2, and B/Victoria), delivered in the same type of lipid nanoparticles (LNPs) used for Moderna’s COVID-19 vaccines (SM-102 ionizable lipid platform).
Basically, this is saying that mFlusiva is a “normal” mRNA vaccine, the same basic type as the Moderna and Pfizer COVID vaccines – but instead of targeting the sequence for the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, it targets a similar influenza surface protein – specifically, the hemagglutinin (HA) surface glycoprotein. That is one of two surface proteins shown here.
It also appears to be using the same type of lipid nanoparticles as are used in the mRNA COVID vaccines.
Paragraph 2
Moderna’s recently FDA-approved seasonal flu vaccine (mRNA-1010, branded mFlusiva/mFLUSIVA) for adults ≥50 years uses the company’s established non-replicating mRNA platform. It is not self-amplifying RNA (saRNA/sa-mRNA). saRNA constructs include alphavirus-derived replicase genes that enable intracellular RNA amplification and prolonged antigen expression at lower doses; mRNA-1010 does not. It relies on the same core technology as Spikevax: in vitro-transcribed, nucleoside-modified mRNA (typically incorporating N1-methylpseudouridine to reduce innate sensing and improve translation) with 5′ cap, optimized UTRs, and poly(A) tail, formulated in LNPs.
Several points are validated here.
mFluvia is considered to be a regular seasonal flu vaccine
It’s FDA approved for adults 50 years old and older (which includes the older 65+ subgroup as well)
It is NOT a more modern (and possibly more dangerous, IMO) self-amplifying mRNA
It uses the same tech as Moderna’s old COVID shot, named Spikevax.
It’s a standard “modified” mRNA, including the use of N1-methylpseudouridine
The fact that they have really not changed the platform is critical to understand. Any problems that are inherent to the mRNA platform itself, and not a result of the spike protein per se, are still there. Likewise, any problems that are common to both the spike protein and the HA protein will be there. And any NEW problems of the HA protein will be there, too.
Note that they are not giving it to kids. THAT is purely strategic, IMO, and is deviously smart. They know that if kids show cardiovascular and cancer effects, it’s going to be obviously the fault of the mRNA platform, and possibly even trouble for vaccination in general.
No way will they take that risk. IMO the reason they’re not taking a risk here, is that the HA protein of flu is not and cannot be a depop vector, like the spike protein. Thus, there is no sterilization or anti-fertility advantage worth taking a risk to roll out to kids.
SIDEBAR: N1-Methylpseudouridine
One further note on N1-methylpseudouridine. It is important to understand how little of it is actually contained in these vaccines. This stuff is not (IMO) toxic per se as a poison – it is only dangerous in very specific use when unnaturally incorporated into mRNA.
In the tiny amount of mRNA (micrograms) inside the tiny amount of lipid nanoparticles, literally milligrams suspended in fluid inside the tiny 0.38 mL of the shot, one out of the four bases (uridine) of that mRNA has been substituted with N1-methylated pseudouridine, and it goes straight into the machinery just like uridine would have. The only problem is that N1MPU is a bit like a worn tooth on a key, and it may turn a lock other than ONLY the one that it was intended to turn. That’s an understandable analogy to the fact that N1MPU in the coding may produce a WRONG protein sometimes – particularly due to something called “frame-shifting”.
The following Wikipedia has clearly been edited by Big Pharma shills, but you can still read between the lines, as to what they are defending / covering up / minimizing / downplaying. In the process, they basically document the problems of using a slippery fake base to avoid detection by the immune system.
I do NOT buy the Wikipedia-shilled argument that frame-shifting is innocuous – because IMO it will only be innocuous until it isn’t – just like any other “error” that is allowed to fester until the plane crash happens in combination with other events.
Paragraph 3
The third paragraph basically explains what was measured to state that this vaccine was superior to existing non-mRNA vaccines. Note that nothing here deals with safety or risk – just efficacy. You can also see how little mRNA is used – basically 12.5 micrograms per strain of influenza.
The encoded antigen is the full-length (membrane-anchored) hemagglutinin glycoprotein of the selected seasonal strains. HA is the primary surface protein mediating viral attachment and entry; neutralizing antibodies targeting its head domain (and to a lesser extent the stalk) are the main correlate of protection measured by hemagglutination-inhibition (HAI) assays. The approved product is trivalent (reflecting the current seasonal composition after B/Yamagata’s decline), with total mRNA dose around 37.5 μg (roughly 12.5 μg per strain). Earlier development versions were quadrivalent. The platform allows rapid sequence updates to match circulating strains without egg adaptation.
Paragraph 4
This is where the AI model “negotiates” the controversy with creative wordplay. Read it carefully, like a contract.
No fundamental redesign of the mRNA or LNP platform specifically for this flu vaccine has been publicly detailed to address the concerns you raise. Protein expression from conventional modified mRNA is inherently transient: the mRNA is degraded by cellular nucleases over days (typically peaking within hours to a day or two and declining substantially within a week or so in standard preclinical models), so continuous long-term production of the target protein is not a designed or statistically expected feature in recipients. Observed antigen persistence in draining lymph nodes (sometimes detectable for weeks in some studies of COVID mRNA vaccines) supports germinal-center reactions rather than ongoing systemic protein synthesis from residual mRNA. Claims of undesirable long-term production are not supported as a common or inherent platform failure in the clinical data for these vaccines.
The first sentence is interesting.
No fundamental redesign of the mRNA or LNP platform specifically for this flu vaccine has been publicly detailed to address the concerns you raise.
Note that it doesn’t say there was no change to address concerns – it says that nothing was made public as such. Given how much can be “trade secrets”, we simply don’t know if changes were made behind the scenes. Grok worded this well, IMO.
Grok does address my concern about individuals who suffer long-term production of target protein, not by denying that it happens, but by stating the reality of the situation.;
Protein expression from conventional modified mRNA is inherently transient: the mRNA is degraded by cellular nucleases over days (typically peaking within hours to a day or two and declining substantially within a week or so in standard preclinical models), so continuous long-term production of the target protein is not a designed or statistically expected feature in recipients.
Note what Grok does here. It actually lets us know that mRNA vaccination is a process that peaks in hours to low days, declining over low (1-2) weeks in the DESIRED CASE. Grok doesn’t deny that it can take longer, but is very careful not to simply parrot the mainstream assertion that there are no long-term protein production problem cases. This is very artful use of language. Knowing better than to deny statistical outliers, it comes back at my use of “statistical” with “statistically expected feature” – a very crafty but true response.
In a similar vein, Grok repeats the denials of the mainstream regarding vaccine found in lymph nodes, but very carefully, not boxing itself in should those denials be disproven in the future.
Observed antigen persistence in draining lymph nodes (sometimes detectable for weeks in some studies of COVID mRNA vaccines) supports germinal-center reactions rather than ongoing systemic protein synthesis from residual mRNA.
Needless to say, I’m not convinced that this is innocuous, and am keeping an open mind. Also, this does NOT explain individuals producing spike protein for months or years after injection.
Claims of undesirable long-term production are not supported as a common or inherent platform failure in the clinical data for these vaccines.
This is weasel wording, but I get it. We have different definitions of platform failure. IMO even 0.1% failure would be unacceptable. Why? Because the injectable, metered, controlled protein immunogen injection already exists, and is superior to mRNA. It is inherently superior. It has ZERO long-term OR off-target production of protein, HOWEVER one defines it.
Grok knows this, but cannot psychologically deal with disagreement with the mainstream of public health. Grok would be “corrected” if it did disagree.
IMO, mRNA vaccines are a lot like the Trabant – the horrible 2-stroke automobile produced by the Soviet Empire. Yes, 2-stroke internal combustion technology “works”, but it is inferior to the cleaner, more expensive, and overall more efficient 4-stroke internal combustion engine we are still using.
mRNA vaccination is not the Tesla. It’s the Trabant, with it’s “magically efficient” two-stroke engine.
I have no need for it.
Paragraph 5
LNP biodistribution after intramuscular injection is predominantly local (injection-site muscle and draining lymph nodes), with smaller fractions reaching the spleen and, to a lesser extent, liver; distant tissue accumulation is minimal and components clear relatively rapidly (often low/undetectable by ~1–2 weeks in available data). The SM-102-based LNPs (ionizable lipid + cholesterol + helper phospholipid + PEG-lipid) used here are the same biodegradable class employed in Spikevax; they were selected in part for improved tolerability and clearance relative to earlier ionizable lipids. No public evidence indicates major new chemistry (e.g., substantially altered ionizable lipids, targeting ligands, or miRNA-regulated expression) unique to mFlusiva to further restrict off-target travel. Dose is lower than original COVID primary series doses, which reduces overall exposure.
Seriously, I almost rest my case after this first sentence by Grok. “…to a lesser extent, liver.” Good GRIEF. This is acceptable? REALLY? YIKES!
LNP biodistribution after intramuscular injection is predominantly local (injection-site muscle and draining lymph nodes), with smaller fractions reaching the spleen and, to a lesser extent, liver; distant tissue accumulation is minimal and components clear relatively rapidly (often low/undetectable by ~1–2 weeks in available data).
“Predominantly local” is not good enough. TRABANT! Fuck you – I don’t want a Trabant! Especially an injectable Trabant that I can’t send to the scrapyard, after it sends ME to the scrapyard.
This next pair of sentences is interesting.
The SM-102-based LNPs (ionizable lipid + cholesterol + helper phospholipid + PEG-lipid) used here are the same biodegradable class employed in Spikevax; they were selected in part for improved tolerability and clearance relative to earlier ionizable lipids. No public evidence indicates major new chemistry (e.g., substantially altered ionizable lipids, targeting ligands, or miRNA-regulated expression) unique to mFlusiva to further restrict off-target travel.
This is saying that no significant changes in the LNPs seem to have taken place, and based on that, it is very unlikely that there is any change to off-target dispersal of the vaccine.
Yes, Grok is doing SCIENCE here. It sounds like scientists talking at the lunch table, because it was trained on their output.
Dose is lower than original COVID primary series doses, which reduces overall exposure.
That’s an interesting observation. Grok knows that there is less chance for problems with the lower dose.
IMO this is not just science – it’s marketing. Moderna needs a “win” here, and they know that flu shots are not expected to make much of a difference in terms of efficacy. Moderna can “punt” here and “cheat to a win” on their next turn with the depopulation ball. So a lower dose here with fewer platform side-effects will make the mRNA platform look better. A nice way to make it through the Trump administration, and past RFKJ, already partially under control.
Did Grok know I would catch that? I think so. It sounds like some of my colleagues back in Shallow State, who knew how to speak the truth in a way I would get, without seeming to walk off the plantation.
Paragraph 6
In short, this is an evolutionary application of the proven non-replicating modified-mRNA + LNP system to HA antigens, leveraging manufacturing speed and the ability to induce strong humoral (and some cellular) responses without egg-based production constraints. Clinical data supported superior relative efficacy versus standard-dose inactivated vaccines in the pivotal trial, with a reactogenicity profile consistent with other mRNA vaccines (more local and systemic reactions that are mostly mild–moderate and transient).
This is the final party line summary. Grok puts on the happy face to live with its training. It’s public health over individual medicine, and it emphasizes the utilitarian superiority of eggless mRNA production. Yeah, I get it. If a few humans die, no biggie. It’s just a few. And it’s SO much cheaper.
The minimization of the (IMO) substantially greater local and systemic reactions is all public health and no concern for the patient. People are basically getting the unpleasant aspects of both the COVID and shingles vaccines, with continued risks for mRNA screw-ups.
I will be talking about the SIDE EFFECTS of this vaccine in my next post. It is NOT a pretty picture. The COVID shot has set a VERY LOW BAR for vaccine performance.
IMO the superior alternative would be recombinant protein vaccines, which are surely safer, but mRNA vaccines are surely cheaper, because your body is the reactor, and if it fucks up, it’s on you.
This DePat Tuesday Open Thread honors the author of the original Tuesday open thread on this site, namely the late Susie Sampson, a.k.a. Deplorable Patriot, among her other handles, pen names, etc.
For more on the untimely passing of Dear DePat, please see these three posts.
At one time, DePat handled FOUR daily open threads here, in addition to taking care of her relatives, choir duties, and numerous other responsibilities. She was a powerhouse – a dynamo – a true force of nature.
DePat’s faith in Trump, Q, “The Plan”, the White Hats, and “the anons” in general, was legendary. Although I didn’t always agree with her quick acceptance of some sketchier evidence and fringier theories, I will gladly admit to “coming around” to numerous so-called “conspiracy theories” which she championed first. I was always careful to give her credit for being right, too, when I had been wrong.
It is impossible to overstate how much DePat did for not only this site, but for her country. I urge all to say a quick prayer of thanks, whenever you think of her, for the privilege of knowing, in life or after death, such an exemplary human being, and lover of God.
And thank you, Susie, for the firm foundation which you left us, when you were called to your true home!
Say an Extra Prayer for Kalbo, His Family, and His Son Tim
Gonna keep it simple! Take a moment – if I may suggest a full minute, right now – to pray!
This man, making Christmas calls from the White House, believes the world is a sphere. And he has even flown around it! So has our beautiful FLOTUS, who happens to be his wife!
Truth and common sense must be valued by us, as individuals, in order to lastingly disempower the authoritarian fake news media. This includes the perniciously smarmy science media, which never answers for its errors and lies. I believe that the media has been responsible not only for leftist pathologies like scientism, medical fascism, and radical gender ideology, but also for reactionary movements like modern flat Earth, rejection of all medicine, and Biblical geological literalism.
Just as Wheatie’s Stormwatch Monday Open Thread was created as a place for people to openly express their thoughts and opinions, so, too, is this Thank God Thursday Open Thread, where honest but civil discussion of all topics is encouraged. This thread is also to be known as Theistic Evolution Thursdays, due to the author’s expected “pontification” about his scientific, religious, and political opinions. You are welcome to pontificate back! Free speech matters!
Please label all AI-generated content as being such, unless it is patently obvious (e.g., humorous AI images). It is important that we as individuals not begin to pretend that socially derived artificial intelligence is actually our own, as this form of stealthy social information averaging and feedback would be one more pretense and deception between people, in service of stupid Marxist socialism, and of those who wish to substitute their communally protected lies for actual truth.
The source of alleged truth matters, not for the truth itself, but for validation.
And yes, it’s THURSDAY…again.
And that’s it. We’re done stealing from Wheatie.
OK – maybe her rules need to be posted.
No food fights.
No running with scissors.
If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
Other rules may be derivable from these, and that conjecture is left for discussion.
If there is nothing beyond the “W” below, then this is a placeholder. For health reasons, I can’t always post a timely opinion before each Thursday, but I will try. Otherwise, you have this placeholder post, where YOU provide the content. Enjoy!
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Moar AI Spam
AI is assisting with the proliferation of bullshit, because it puts fairly smart white lies in the hands of fairly dumb people who need them.
Example? This bit of engineered bullshit, either actual spam, or IC AI bullshit disguised as spam, trying to get on this site.
Note – I included Cuppa Covfefe’s last comment on the Open – A REAL COMMENT – for context. That comment was made roughly 4 1/2 years ago.
For those with low vision, the text of the spam post:
‘This Sanctuary Sunday Open Thread’ beautifully fosters unity, faith, and respectful dialogue. I appreciate the emphasis on civility, truth, and open discussion. A great reminder of how meaningful and peaceful conversations can shape a strong, thoughtful community.
I’ll be frank – that’s a nice comment. I won’t say why it’s obviously an AI comment, because I don’t reveal tells of that nature – but for those and other very definitive reasons, I can assure you that it’s an AI comment.
Now, let’s compare that with the following first few paragraphs of Carl’s post, which were analyzed and turned into that AI response.
In the original post, both “Sanctuary Sunday Open Thread” and “Please show respect and consideration” were bolded, and it’s clear that the AI noted this, by putting single quotes around those first four words, which were played back. In the sample from Carl’s post, below, I am bolding almost all of the things on which the AI appeared to be focused.
This Sanctuary Sunday Open Thread, with full respect to those who worship God on the Sabbath, is a place to reaffirm our worship of our Creator, our Father, our King Eternal.
It is also a place to read, post and discuss news that is worth knowing and sharing. Please post links to any news stories that you use as sources or quote from.
In the QTree, we’re a friendly and civil lot. We encourage free speech and the open exchange and civildiscussion of different ideas. Topics aren’t constrained, and sound logic is highly encouraged, all built on a solid foundation of truth and established facts.
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Note that the word “faith” was not there – it was generated by the AI. The only place “faith” appeared in Carl’s entire post was 12 times in a large paragraph way down in the body of the post. If you want to check it out…..
Thus, the mere mention of “worship” at the beginning, and the entire context of the body of Carl’s post, were likely the origin of “faith” in the AI comment.
“Meaningful” and “peaceful” are also derived from the larger context. Those words are not present, although “peace” appears 5 times in the body of the message from Carl.
I want you all to understand that the AI is basically doing what high school students and college students are trained to do, in writing a reply letter, answering essay questions, or otherwise composing written material based on some source, without plagiarizing. It’s reading, grabbing concepts, mixing things up, generalizing about what is observed, then composing a restatement which comes very close to what was originally said, from a reader perspective, without “aping” the original, which is both cringeworthy and considered plagiarism.
AI is pleasing its trainers, just like students try to please their trainers teachers.
This is why AI is being used by students to pass exams.
Andrew Torba has a masterful post about this, which you all really need to read. He predicts that universities themselves, as we know them, are about to be on life support, because of AI.
After reading Torba’s post, I realize that Harvard is falling apart for multiple reasons. IMO, woke does not have the honesty needed to deal with AI, or anything else, for that matter.
Over the next 15 years, universities will face existential pressure to adapt or perish. Some may evolve into credentialing hubs, offering “micro-degrees” for niche skills.
Excerpt:
Artificial intelligence is not merely a tool for incremental change it is the architect of a total overhaul. At the heart of this transformation is a radical reimagining of how knowledge is delivered, absorbed, and validated. At Alpha School in Texas, students spend just two hours a day learning with AI, yet they outperform 98% of students nationwide, scoring in the top 1-2% on standardized tests.
WOLF AGAIN…..
The question will not be whether you can use AI to fake out people about how smart you are, in their decaying system. The question will be whether (1) you can use AI for real research, or (2) whether you can change, fix, use, or install AI to do something useful and good to others.
That output of your use of AI may include good stuff, or bad stuff. People who use AI for bad stuff will need to be punished. Good AI and AI in the hands of good people will get it done.
Welcome to the future.
Mutually Acceptable Lies About The Clot Shot
It’s time to be honest about what is going on in HHS, NIH, FDA and CDC.
Reform of these agencies – whose sins almost killed us, and did in fact kill many of us, and many other people around the world – will NOT occur by a quantum leap from bad to good.
It is occurring gradually and continuously, just like the end of government-sanctioned slavery did, in centuries past. And just like The Death of Slavery (cough), the entire process of Death To The Death Jabs (cough, cough) will be a shifting morass of what I call “mutually acceptable lies“.
PAVACA has very nicely documented the various half-measures, quarter-measures, and non-measures which have been taken by the government-ensconced part of MAHA against the clot-shots.
That is the current state of the matter. Not the end state – the current state.
Stated bluntly, the jabs are being gently but not honestly withdrawn from the young and the healthy, and are being kept, with no denial of existing fictions, for the sick, the old, the infirm, and the chronically medicated.
You know – the very people that a socialist depopulation program still wants to remove.
NOW do you see why the current assortment of lies and truths might be mutually acceptable to the two sides?
You don’t normally think like a depopulationist, or like somebody whose kids are being threatened by a shadowy cartel. So you never saw it coming – that our side would accept both some silver and some lead – at least temporarily. Or that the other side – the depop cartel – would accept a mixed bag. Yes – just like the drug cartels, they accept shifting realities.
The BAD SIDE threatened our children and young adults, and showed us that they had the power to not just kill our loved ones, but to make us do it – to make us part of the murder. Having them back off from this extortion is what we get, in return for their continued elimination of the people they wanted to eliminate all along – the weak, the old, the medically costly, the non-productive, and the undesirable, who can be slipped into their caskets at any time by a few shots.
This was very skillful play by the depoppers and their deep state allies. Do you see it? They had a REASON for pushing the jabs too far. So that when their commu-Nazi tide went back out, it was still deep enough to drown the “useless eaters”.
Now – this is not the spoken reality – meaning the lies. What I gave you is the mutually acceptable truth. The mutually acceptable lies are continuation of the scientific bullshit about antibody count, no need for clinical testing, and most of all, the need for those medical pobrecitos (poor young little ones) to get the merciful jabs to protect them from the still mythically Wuhan-dangerous omicron common cold.
THAT is their goal. THAT is what they needed to accomplish.
Somebody is still gonna pick the cotton and go to Heaven.
We know the “dangers” to these fragile patients are all bullshit, already shockingly disproved by the “peer-reviewed” literature. But the media that can never be wrong, and the scientific media that is even worse, are “not done not talking about things” – so we have to wait for memories to cool, so that nobody gets in trouble for slavery killing Black and Indian kids with jabs.
So what do we do?
We keep pushing on. We keep fighting. We make sure the public, the MAHA now in office, and (importantly) the American pope know that the fight for human life is not over – that “depopulation” is real, that it’s insidious, and that its stealthy proponents are not done fighting.
The depoppers will put up a hell of a fight to keep things where they are right now – where they not only have the elderly and the infirm at the end of a population-adjusting needle, but where they also have a prime depopulation AGENT (coronavirus spike protein) authorized for that needle.
And yet, I think we have some strong weapons at hand, against their strong lies.
If our theories are correct, then we will find evidence of safer outcomes with non-mRNA vaccines like Novavax, Coronavac (ChiCom jab), CorbeVax, and others that omit the mRNA technology. Even better, the new “Gold Standard” “universal platform” jabs that are now being pushed by Secretary Kennedy and Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, should prove much safer than mRNA.
Yeah, they’re not perfect – but they’re better. Fewer people will die. SOME people – in fact MANY people – will be rescued from depopulation.
This is war. There will be casualties. But we will win.
Joe Biden never won. This is our Real President – 45, 46, 47.
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Wolfie’s Wheatie’s Word of the Week:
incompossible
adjective
incapable of coexisting
not capable of joint existence
incompatible
inconsistent
not mutually possible
mutually exclusive in logic
Used in a sentence
Leibniz’s well-known thesis that the actual world is just one among many possible worlds relies on the claim that some possibles are incompossible, meaning that they cannot belong to the same world.
Question: Is mRNA vaccine technology incompossible with “gold standard” treatment, if it is not part of the “Generation Gold Standard” universal vaccine platform for “pandemic” viruses?
I remain surprised that nobody in public is talking about mRNA technology being EXCLUDED from the new vaccine platform being promoted by HHS and NIH.
Is this due to the fact that, if nobody ever talks about the elephant in the room, then nobody will talk about it when it leaves the room? If so, then strategic opportunities abound!
Next Question…..
Is autoimmune disease in COVID-vaccinated kids the end of the shots for kids? First, what’s happening…..
BREAKING: HHS to END COVID-19 Vaccine Recommendations for Kids & Pregnant Women
With over 600,000 estimated COVID shot deaths in the U.S., HHS moves to roll back CDC guidance—amid mounting criminal referrals, legislative efforts, and growing calls for a complete moratorium.
According to the Wall Street Journal, the Trump administration—under the leadership of HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.—is preparing to end routine CDC recommendations that pregnant women, teenagers, and children receive COVID-19 vaccines. This decision, expected to be announced in the coming days, represents a long-overdue departure from current ill-advised CDC guidance, which still urges vaccination for everyone aged six months and older, including during pregnancy.
Well, take a look at this. Is this why?
TL;DR / BLUF – COVID vaccines, not COVID, cause autoimmune problems in kids, and they do it about 9 months later, on average, thus escaping scrutiny.
NEW STUDY: COVID-19 Vaccines Increase Risk of Long-Term Autoimmune Disease in Children — Not the Virus
A massive study of 493,705 children found a 23% increased risk of developing autoimmune disease after COVID-19 vaccination, with symptoms emerging about 9 months after injection.
During the COVID-19 pandemic there were reports of an increased association between COVID 19 and various autoimmune diseases (AID) in adults. This study aims to investigate the incidence of AIDs in children before and during the pandemic and explores potential links to SARS-CoV-2 vaccination.
Methods
We analyzed 493,705 anonymized medical records from Maccabi Healthcare Services, Israel’s second-largest healthcare provider, to study AID incidence during 2014–2022. The study period was divided into three phases: two pre-pandemic phases of equal duration (A and B) and a pandemic phase (C).
Results
Of 4,596 (0.9%) patients diagnosed with an AID in the cohort, incidence rates were 0.9% for Group A (2014–2016), 1.0% for Group B (2017–2019), and 0.9% for Group C (2020–2022) (p = 0.13). Logistic regression showed no significant differences in overall autoimmune disease incidence between the pre-COVID and COVID periods. Notably, specific conditions like celiac disease showed reduced incidence in Group A (OR 0.8309, p = 0.0071) while arthritis was significantly more common in Groups A and B. Additionally, COVID-19 diagnosis was not significantly associated with increased autoimmune disease risk (HR 1.092, p = 0.491); however, receiving at least one COVID vaccine was linked to higher risk (HR 1.2323, p = 0.0033).
Conclusion
Our findings suggest that the overall incidence of new-onset autoimmune diseases in children remained relatively stable during the COVID-19 pandemic. The study indicates a potential association between COVID-19 vaccination and an increased risk of developing autoimmune diseases, necessitating further research to elucidate long-term effects in the pediatric population.
Suddenly the multiple cases of “sudden new autoimmune problems” among my vax-friendly liberal friends and neighbors make a lot of sense.
Is photonic quantum computing the way? Maybe so!
Don’t feel bad if this sounds complicated. Even the following 2021 explanation is not easy stuff.
This man, making Christmas calls from the White House, believes the world is a sphere. And he has even flown around it! So has our beautiful FLOTUS, who happens to be his wife!
Truth and common sense must be valued by us, as individuals, in order to lastingly disempower the authoritarian fake news media. This includes the perniciously smarmy science media, which never answers for its errors and lies. I believe that the media has been responsible not only for leftist pathologies like scientism, medical fascism, and radical gender ideology, but also for reactionary movements like modern flat Earth, rejection of all medicine, and Biblical geological literalism.
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Please label all AI-generated content as being such, unless it is patently obvious (e.g., humorous AI images). It is important that we as individuals not begin to pretend that socially derived artificial intelligence is actually our own, as this form of stealthy social information averaging and feedback would be one more pretense and deception between people, in service of stupid Marxist socialism, and of those who wish to substitute their communally protected lies for actual truth.
The source of alleged truth matters, not for the truth itself, but for validation.
And yes, it’s THURSDAY…again.
And that’s it. We’re done stealing from Wheatie.
OK – maybe her rules need to be posted.
No food fights.
No running with scissors.
If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
Other rules may be derivable from these, and that conjecture is left for discussion.
If there is nothing beyond the “W” below, then this is a placeholder. For health reasons, I can’t always post a timely opinion before each Thursday, but I will try. Otherwise, you have this placeholder post, where YOU provide the content. Enjoy!
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I begin this first post with an aside. The header for Thank God / Theistic Evolution Thursdays is a stained glass depiction of the first chapter of Genesis from the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
It is the author’s contention that there ARE actual answers in Genesis – but they’re more profound and astounding than even the very smart people of antiquity could imagine, or even more recent minds from the 1800s, when modern humanity fell hard for the “6000 year” trickery.
To uncover the mechanistic details of the creation outline in Genesis, requires the work of many people over a long period of time. THAT very point – big things, long times – being a pattern worth noting.
God works with WAY bigger math than we can comprehend. At least, that is MY conjecture.
Q-Level Vaccine Strategy
It is my belief that what we are seeing unfolding right now, in HHS, NIH, FDA, and CDC, is the result of deep strategy and planning by some very smart and well-intended people, who are changing American healthcare for the better, whether it wants to make the necessary changes or not.
If that sounds like the Q folks, then good. If that merely sounds like the Trump administration, doing what it was elected to do, then good. If that sounds like some super-secret project of some other nature, then good. If that sounds like God taking a hammer to Satan’s bureaucracy, then good. I don’t care so much to convince you WHY it’s happening, as much as I want to show you THAT it’s happening.
What I hope to do here, is to quickly and simply explain where I see this hidden hand making plays, and why it might be making them.
I begin by explaining when and where I became aware that something good was going on.
First, barkerjim reported this item discussed on “Coffee and COVID”:
In summary, vaccines will now need to be tested against placebos – in ways that will critically distinguish safe vaccines from risky vaccines. This is a HUGE win for honest medicine.
I want to emphasize how strategically brilliant this is. Asking that vaccines be tested “normally” not only reverses outrageous vaccine non-testing that was installed by Fauci and Friends during COVID – it reverses sketchy and abused science all the way back to the 1960s and 1970s.
It’s undoing ALL of the bad stuff that has happened in vaccination since the middle of the last century.
And yet – “nutjob” RFK Jr. isn’t demanding the banning of even a single vaccine, as his opponents screamed and howled he would. No – he’s simply asking that vaccines be tested for safety like everything else.
What is happening here is unassailable. And yet, this move is going to stop sketchy vaccines like the COVID vaxxes IN THEIR TRACKS. Even other vaccines with “good” track records are going to have to prove themselves. And some “good” ones may turn out to be “not so good”.
This is the perfect move right now. Does this sound like something “beginner” secretary RFK Jr. would choose to play, all on his own, in the deadly DC chess game, against highly experienced globalist scum bureaucrats?
I don’t think so. It’s too smart. Something is going on.
But it gets better. And it was at the “gets better” point that I knew something very awesome was going on.
And no – I’m not talking about this, that eilert brought!
🚨BREAKING: DNI Tulsi Gabbard is investigating Dr. Fauci for perjury and his role in funding Wuhan gain-of-function research tied to COVID-19.
It only took about 2 seconds for Aubergine to figure out what I was saying.
Reread that if you have to – that’s the bottom line, pretty much.
I’m going to explain it in more detail below.
And that’s why we’re here. I’ll get to it in a minute, but let’s finish capturing the discussion.
Here, PAVACA notes that this “universal vaccine platform” isn’t being championed by only the good guys, and being openly opposed by the bad guys. Not at all. The bad guys have their fingerprints all over it, too, and seem to be helping it. But note the military connections. I suspect that’s important.
Things get interesting here, and require some explanation.
As Trump says….
“Complicated business.”
IMO Fauci was doing what Fauci does. Get close to it. Get power over it. Then kill it or sabotage it. So we need to watch out for the Fauci Minions trying to take down MAHA.
Kalbo opined that it would be nice to get those deadly COVID mRNA vaccine EUAs withdrawn ASAP, and I have to agree. But again, it looks like what is being done here is strategic, and even in a military way, where a non-zero number of casualties are accepted to insure victory.
What I mean here is that by making two ostensibly pro-vax moves that are going to nuke the COVID vaccines shortly, guaranteed, it will be impossible to stop the withdrawal of the EUAs down the road. No amount of media-Democrat propaganda acting and photo ops will be able to stop the EUAs from being withdrawn.
Finally, this comment of mine, which I will explain.
So what the heck is going on? The “test vaccines against placebos” part sounds like a no-brainer, and also like a “no-risk winner”. But why should we trust ANYBODY talking about some new vaccine platform? They’re even using Fauci’s cynical, cringe-inducing “gold standard” terminology, which was even used for remdesivir and all kinds of other Fauci horrors.
Time for me to explain my opinions on some fundamentals.
The mRNA COVID-19 vaccines were always flawed, but in more fundamental ways than even most scientists realized. By being authoritarian drones, most scientists never questioned the most fundamental problem with the Pfizer, Moderna, Novavax, and Corbevax vaccines, which affected them all, despite their multiple different technologies.
None of these vaccines targeted anything but the spike protein.
NONE of them.
NOTHING more.
In contrast, the Chinese CoronaVac / Sinovac whole-virus vaccine, using the same beta-propiolactone deactivation method as the new proposed universal vaccine platform, targets every protein coded in the viral genome.
Stated differently, immunity created by the Chinese CoronaVac whole-virus vaccine technology, is much more like natural immunity, than is immunity created by the mRNA vaccines.
That means that the immunity is broader – targets more viral proteins – and thus acts against more variants and future variants.
So by now, readers have to be asking why on Earth the Americans would be pursuing the “clot shot” technology – and not the likely best vaccine technology, which was being pursued by China.
This, in spite of (or perhaps because of) the fact that the storage and processing of Pfizer’s clinical data is done in China. ALL of it. In China.
I don’t want to get sidetracked by the “why” of American stupidity and errors on vaccines, which potentially gets into medicine under communism versus under capitalism, as well as what communists might do, medically, in a war on capitalism. But I do want to point out that – for some very good but very weird reason, we are suddenly doing things right in the area of vaccines.
It’s important to look at the HHS announcement on the universal vaccine platform. Reading it really sheds light on what is going on.
I will include the text here, with my comments in ***bold. Note the date of the press release – May 1, 2025. This is happening right now, basically.
HHS, NIH Launch Next-Generation Universal Vaccine Platform for Pandemic-Prone Viruses
*** Note that this is not only changing all these vaccines to a “new” platform – it is clearly targeting anything over which the wicked Fake News Media might declare a “pandemic”. IMO the use of the terms “Next-Generation” and “Universal” are targeted and very intentional.
Washington, D.C. – The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) and the National Institutes for Health (NIH) today announced the development of the next-generation, universal vaccine platform, Generation Gold Standard, using a beta-propiolactone (BPL)-inactivated, whole-virus platform.
*** Again, this is the Chinese CoronaVac technology.
This initiative represents a decisive shift toward transparency, effectiveness, and comprehensive preparedness, funding the NIH’s in-house development of universal influenza and coronavirus vaccines, including candidates BPL-1357 and BPL-24910. These vaccines aim to provide broad-spectrum protection against multiple strains of pandemic-prone viruses like H5N1 avian influenza and coronaviruses including SARS-CoV-2, SARS-CoV-1, and MERS-CoV.
*** The goal shift toward broad-spectrum protection is key. This is good for doctors, patients, and society – it is BAD for drug company profits. It does not provide an enduringly problematic if not endless money churn, like spike protein vaccines do.
“Our commitment is clear: every innovation in vaccine development must be grounded in gold standard science and transparency, and subjected to the highest standards of safety and efficacy testing,” said HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
*** First note that Kennedy is making this statement. Next, note the tie-in to the improved testing with real placebos and not morally framed but morally sketchy tricks to avoid them. Transparency seems to imply that past vaccine development was done quietly between government and drug companies, and not in public, where it should be done.
The program realigns BARDA’s operations with its statutory mission under the Public Health Service Act—to prepare for all influenza viral threats, not just those currently circulating.
*** Changing the focus of BARDA to include “sustainability” of viral control – meaning it has to think about future virus variants and not just the variant of the week, is a brilliant way to break up the grift between regulators and vaccine makers, which is based on evolutionary churn of targeted proteins (like the spike), and pretending not to know that this is fundamentally designed to continuously fail. The designed failure, which seems to have the purpose of sticking more needles into more people at younger and younger ages, is certainly advantageous for depoppers, who IMO may be identifiable from decisions that ultimately supported the grift. A key point is that Geert vanden Bossche’s warnings about viral mutation under the pressure of leaky vaccines must now be considered – these warnings cannot be ignored by intentionally blind policy, which is a cold but effective technique.
“Generation Gold Standard is a paradigm shift,” said NIH Director Dr. Jay Bhattacharya. “It extends vaccine protection beyond strain-specific limits and prepares for flu viral threats – not just today’s, but tomorrow’s as well – using traditional vaccine technology brought into the 21st century.”
*** Look whose name is on this! Jay Bhattacharya! This shows that honest science is re-taking control of what Pfizer was running. The point about “traditional vaccine technology brought into the 21st century” is talking precisely about CoronaVac, using smarter and smarter inactivation technologies.
Generation Gold Standard, developed exclusively by NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID):
*** This sounds like bullshit to me, probably to placate the demons in NIAID, but maybe there were honest people in NIAID who were liberated from their captivity and suppression under Fauci, and they created this effort. If so, great!
*** The following points are most excellent, and explain why modern inactivated whole virus vaccines are so good. But the bottom line is that this is a MASSIVE shift away from the mRNA vaccines. Just read this carefully.
Recalibrates America’s pandemic preparedness. Unlike traditional vaccines that target specific strains, BPL-inactivated whole-virus vaccines preserve the virus’s structural integrity while eliminating infectivity. This approach induces robust B and T cell immune responses and offers long-lasting protection across diverse viral families. Moreover, the intranasal formulation of BPL-1357 is currently in Phase Ib and II/III trials and is designed to block virus transmission—an innovation absent from current flu and COVID-19 vaccines.
Embodies efficient, transparent, and government-led research. The BPL platform is fully government-owned and NIH-developed. This approach ensures radical transparency, public accountability, and freedom from commercial conflicts of interest.
Marks the future of vaccine development. In addition to influenza and coronavirus, the BPL platform is adaptable for future use against respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), metapneumovirus, and parainfluenza. It also offers the unprecedented capability to protect against avian influenza without inducing antigenic drift—a major step forward in proactive pandemic prevention.
Clinical trials for universal influenza vaccines are scheduled to begin in 2026, with FDA approval targeted for 2029. The intranasal BPL-1357 flu vaccine, currently in advanced trials, is also on track for FDA review by 2029.
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SO – you can certainly see that it sure looks like the “good guys” are winning – and winning very easily. Too easily, IMO.
As long as the Fauci embeds are being watched carefully, to make sure they don’t interfere and sabotage, then I think we are headed in a very good direction.
Bottom Line – There is too much winning here to be just lucky beginner success by MAHA.
IMO, MAHA is getting help from behind the green curtain. And I would not be surprised if I was to learn that “Q players and Q friendlies” are part of that help.
With that settled, I jump to the second item on the agenda.
A call for weekly open-thread authors on Tuesday and Thursday.
I know this seems abrupt, but DePat’s obituary has already published, and I’m already going to talk about even more sensitive topics now – by request – so I don’t feel too much guilt in making sure that DePat’s MISSION of keeping this site running is fully taken care of.
The best thing that we can do, in my opinion, to maintain Susie’s legacy in the MAGA world, is to keep all of her posts here (just under 1000 of them) online and searchable. SO – we need new authors for Tuesday and Thursday, to keep this site running.
Gudthots is thinking about taking over Thursday.
Do we have anybody else, who would like to do Tuesday? Which means that the post goes up Monday night, scheduled for one minute after midnight (I can help with this).
Just to be clear to potential authors, these daily threads are YOUR BABIES – meaning they don’t have to be anything like the way that DePat did them. In fact, it’s probably better not to. I invite new authors to come up with their own new styles.
We do have a very thin guideline post of basics in the sidebar, shown here:
We were actually more rigorous about format then, but it does help that daily open posts publish on the day listed in the title, and that the titles have a searchable format.
Anyway, if you are interested, just leave a comment.
If you are shy about saying something, you can always do “PMTW” (see “Contact”), commenting on this post, and then I can respond anonymously in public, although I recommend just being open.
Looking forward to somebody picking up DePat’s second sword.
And now for the big item.
A discussion of various pathological possibilities, including some new ones, and an explanation of why I lean toward particular theories.
I begin by citing relevant portions of FG&C’s report on the “sudden and unexpected” passing of Susie, which he communicated to me privately.
7-8 weeks ago Susie attended a choir rehearsal, during which she had stood right next to a fellow choir member who she learned afterwards had been Covid vax-boosted for the 4th time that day. Perhaps she mentioned at some point in these pages that in the time since that night she believed she had contracted “long Covid”, experiencing physical weakness, insomnia, a persistent cough, and low appetite. She believed she had inhaled “spike proteins” shedding from the woman she stood next to that night at rehearsal, stating that had she known the woman had been so recently vaxxed she would never have gotten so close to her.
Recently, she had stated she was feeling better, the cough all but gone, and in the past week felt she had gotten over the insomnia hump and was getting good rest. I was optimistic. However, on Monday AM….inauguration day….her brother discovered her in her bedroom, unresponsive, after becoming concerned he had not heard her moving about and she had not come downstairs. Paramedics were subsequently unable to resuscitate her, and it is currently believed she suffered a heart attack and passed away in her sleep. After many attempts to reach her (we texted daily), her brother called me this afternoon with the news. I knew you would want to know as well.
I am going to tease this apart very gently, so that you can see all the possibilities that we’re actually dealing with.
Point 1 – “Shedding”
Now, if you were following along with DePat’s posts in recent weeks, then you realize that she was very convinced that she had been subject to shedding of [COVID-19 vaccine-created] spike protein.
The first problem there, is that very near the end, DePat realized that the vaccine-originated shedding would more likely have been the spike mRNA, not the spike protein.
Here is her comment, which was in fact her third-to-last, made on January 17, 2025.
This one is particularly scary as it claims the shedding is due to mRNA and not the spike protein. Drat.
Does anyone have further evidence on this or a rebuttal? I always thought it was just the spike protein. So far, no heart issues or unexplained pain, true brain fog (I’m sleepy today as the insomnia is FINALLY subsiding. I slept a LOT in the last 24 hours.), or any of the other hard core stuff. A LOT of stiffness keeping warm, and the return of some relatively normal complaints for me in winter.
Fortunately, we haven’t given away the bulk of my mother’s tools she used for the last so many years of her life after the hip replacement, and subsequent ailments. They’ve come in handy. I have another friend who is helping me out in a lot of ways. The next week will be a challenge temperature wise and then I can at least sit in the front door and soak up radiant heat as the sun comes out. Less than a half hour is recommended.
I’ve decided to use this experience as part of writing about an elderly or disabled person. There’s too much challenge at this point to really articulate it, but this is for the birds even if the worst of it is fatigue.
And, yes, stay away from crowds and people you know who get boosters.
So – let me just spell this out. DePat realized that vaccine shedding could be the spike protein, but that it’s more likely (and more dangerously) to be the spike protein mRNA enclosed in lipid nanoparticles that can get into cells. It is by this mechanism that much more spike protein could be created in the body of the shedding recipient.
Not a pleasant thought.
Now – just a side note. DePat and I had discussed all this, many times, WAY BACK in late spring of 2021, so she knew this stuff years ago. Thus, I really believe that she had some brain fog recently. And we know from her comments – DePat understood that she had brain fog, too, despite the fact that it was interfering with her memory.
Years ago, she and I had speculated on the shedding of spike protein, to explain things which were being observed in people close to vaccine recipients. Unlike DePat, I was not a believer in “shedding”, but when Naomi Wolf started reporting observations consistent with some kind of shedding phenomenon, I came up with a scientifically solid explanation of how shed spike protein could actually cause such symptoms, if the spike protein had highly potent, oxytoxin-like pharmacological activities.
The idea of spike protein shedding seemed plausible AS IS, but when Pfizer’s own data, released to vaccine skeptics by the Japanese government, showed the vaccine itself persisting and migrating in test animals, it became clear that shedding of the VACCINE would be an even better explanation.
The point about snake venoms and spike protein is an ANALOGY – it’s not direct – but it’s very useful in understanding both potencies and pharmacological and pathological actions.
I want people to understand this. EVEN if it was just the spike protein being shed, if that protein is even slightly like snake venom in pathogenicity, then it behooves us to look at how snake venoms are dealt with in real life.
Specifically, when cages of venomous snakes are being cleaned, those present have to actually wear respirators. Not just masks – respirators. That is because the dust from dried snake venom in venomous snake cages can literally cause dangerous symptoms in people cleaning the cages.
SO – I want people to understand that DePat had a good theory here – namely, the theory that she got many lung-fulls of either spike protein, or (more dangerously) vaccine nanoparticles, from that vaccine-injected choirmate of hers.
According to this theory, not only did the “shed” vaccine cause typical vaccine-related symptoms – it potentially caused myocarditis, aortal embolism, blood clots, or any one of the many serious cardiovascular events that the vaccines are capable of causing.
This is actually a really reasonable theory.
However, it’s not the only one.
Point 2 – Nicotine
DePat’s last post indicates that she was continuing to use nicotine patches as an off-label way to “inhibit spike protein”. Here is that post.
I’m trying, be sure of that.
Others in my family aren’t. They think this will all go away just with ivermectin. I’m not done with the nicotine protocol yet.
OK – so what is this “nicotine protocol”?
The TL;DR is that one of the alternative medical treatments for “spike protein” / “long COVID” – and particularly “brain fog” – is medicinal nicotine, either as chewing gum, patches, or sublingual.
But before I get into this treatment, it’s helpful to see when and where DePat began investigating nicotine as a solution to her ailment. The entire conversation is very instructive, and begins here, where DePat began asking all of us for suggestions about treatment of her condition.
After talking over symptoms with a friend who is in the same boat as many of us are with the COVID shots – she didn’t take them, but her husband did and she’s now suffering with the side effects despite all sorts of alternative treatment – I think whatever this is that I have is related to a choir member getting a booster last month and exposing me. The fatigue symptoms pretty much match what she had. Just unloading and loading the dishwasher is a challenge. Forget actual housework which desperately needs to be done. (When the kids get here on Saturday, I’m using them to deck the halls.) This crap is for real.
Other than making a run for Tennessee, which really isn’t that bad of a drive from here, for Ivermectin, any ideas? My friend ordered me a nebulizer and is willing to help me use it to break up biofilm, etc., but is there anything in anyone’s arsenal of natural remedies that may help? I had a talk with our Lord and Savior at Eucharistic Adoration today, and I’m hoping my Novena for wellness is doing some good, but, really, I have a lot to do and no energy to do it. Just about every old injury has flared up – especially in my torso which are pretty much all from singing – and some other things.
I just want and need this to go away.
Any ideas?
Thanks.
P.S. please pray for a cousin, A, and her husband, K, who are suddenly expecting identical twins over the summer. it’s a CLASSIC case of you make plans, God laughs. They are in their late thirties, and their toddler was born via c-section due to pre-eclampsia. Fortunately, her OB services are through a Vanderbilt extension, so we’re all hoping for the best.
P.P.S. Next week, we are going to have a house full of people, so the posts will be placeholders of a sort. I’m going to resurrect an old one and draft something new for the day after Christmas. Just a head’s up.
Now, at that time, all of us came in with a wide variety of suggestions, but one late response came from a hitherto lurking account, I Hate Acronyms, now registered as Sigma.
Very long time lurker here from the great Q purge OT. Please consider nicotine patches. The highest strength, cut into fourths. Apply one of the fourths to your skin, replacing with a fresh one daily. Do a search on Rumble for “nicotine and spike proteins”. “Nicotine vs nanotech” If they are going to work, you should see results within days, if not hours. Non-addictive.
As I felt this was earnest and helpful advice, and that the nicotine method had solid science behind it, I approved the comment immediately, hoping it might help DePat.
I am sure that DePat thoroughly investigated this, and found all the same information that I did. If you dig deep enough and far enough on this, you will find all of the following.
there are valid scientific reasons to think nicotine might work as a treatment for “long COVID” / “long vax” / “spike protein”
there is a wide range of voices supporting treatment with nicotine
those voices include more “controversial” ones like Dr. Bryan Ardis and Dr. Tau Braun
they also include more widely respected ones like Dr. Peter McCullough
there are also discrediting connections to “nanomachines” and the like, which I ignore
for some people with long COVID, nicotine has helped when nothing else has worked
I advise just doing the recommended Rumble searches, to learn more.
For example, this video shows a variety of scientific papers which not only explain why nicotine affects spike protein-based symptoms, but also show demonstrated clinical benefit in actual patients.
I do NOT suspect that nicotine poisoning was involved in DePat’s death. Toxic levels of nicotine result in very obvious symptoms (nausea, vomiting, tremors, vertigo, flushing, palpitations, etc.) that quickly make people back off on whatever means by which they were ingesting nicotine. I know, because the first cigar I ever smoked sent me into nicotine poisoning. People learn very quickly how to dose nicotine correctly.
DePat was actually getting some positive results with this method. More specifically, it was making her feel better. I personally think her efforts would have been more successful under a doctor’s supervision (preferably one connected to FLCCC or the like), but when I suggested “doctors and tests” to DePat, she was not a fan.
DEPAT:I’m wondering if some of this fatigue is coming from trying to stay warm in a drafty house.
Hmmm….
ME:That sounds very likely to me.
Your body basically sends your periphery into overdrive to stay warm. Long johns / thick leggings and a sweater indoors can be very helpful. Feeling warm indoors can stabilize you.
Also wondering if your doctor is running a yearly thyroid check (TSH) If the numbers are odd or marginal, you may have something going on there.
DEPAT:Doctor? I learned my lesson with conventional medicine a long time ago.
ME:Sounds a lot like COVID. Have you tested yourself at any point?
DEPAT:No. But I was exposed to two people who had their boosters over a month ago. The coughing fits started on the 17th last month. True weakness and needing to sit down for tasks the three days before Thanksgiving. I think I’m just about at the end.
In my opinion, DePat really needed a complete physical checkup, if only because it might have picked up any underlying conditions. But even more than that, there was a need for better diagnosis of what was ailing her. Simply assuming that it was vaccine shedding was risky, IMO.
Point 3 – COVID-19
Notice that I had asked DePat about COVID. The symptoms of being a “shedding recipient” should be almost the same as “long vax” – which should be very similar to the disease itself. Even more to the point, it is extremely easy to pick up COVID in a place like a choir. In fact, it only takes a much smaller dose of an infectious organism, than it does of a “shed vaccine”, to cause the exact same kind of problems that DePat was having.
DePat seemed very resistant to the idea that she might have had COVID or a similar ILI (influenza-like illness). However, to rule out an actual disease takes some effort. And to PREVENT disease takes even more.
Was she taking her temperature daily or twice daily? As far as I know, NO. Was she taking ivermectin AT ALL, much less regularly? NO. Was she taking vitamin D? Had she ever tested her levels of vitamin D? NO. Was she taking enough zinc? I don’t think she was taking ANY zinc.
DePat’s situation was a lot like Wheatie’s. She KNEW – more or less – what sorts of things might be useful if she ever got COVID, but she had NOT prepared by having those things purchased, fully understood, and on hand, ready for trouble. Even more, she was not ready to DIAGNOSE COVID.
I KNOW that I have had COVID three times, because I’ve done the testing and clinical work to make absolutely firm diagnosis. I know that what I have right now is most certainly influenza, and NOT COVID.
And that brings me to my next point.
Point 4 – Influenza
I think it is VERY likely that DePat had the very nasty influenza that is going around right now, which singingsoul1 suffered from greatly, at almost the same time as DePat, and which I am suffering from at this very moment. As is my wife – so I am studying TWO cases, almost identical.
“feel bad”
aches and pains
persistent cough
no appetite
insomnia
chills
fatigue
sense of smell OK
stuffy sinuses and phlegm – mostly upper respiratory
“forget doing housework”
need a nebulizer (I use saline spray, myself)
Everything DePat was saying about what she was suffering, sounds like what I’m suffering right now. And, in fact, what MANY people are suffering right now.
And here’s the kicker. Influenza is a PRIME candidate for setting up a heart attack afterwards.
I know that many of you (like me) might suspect that this angle is pure post-clot-shot “explain away the vaccine heart attacks” bullshit, BUT the fact is, influenza has ALWAYS been notorious for killing old people, and heart attacks is one of the ways that it does it. Viral diseases – colds and flu – are also notorious as initiators of pericarditis and myocarditis. They didn’t have to make this shit up, to use it to deflect from their horrible vaccines.
As I love to say, there’s no cover like the truth.
Now – one might think DePat would have known if she had the flu, but this thing my wife and I have, has proven to be surprisingly low-fever – especially for my wife. Even after the fever has subsided, we still feel very ill. Were I not monitoring our temperatures every day, getting actual numbers, and signal over noise, it would have been easy to dismiss this thing as something other than influenza.
At numerous times during the last week, I have thought that maybe this was something other than influenza. But the reality keeps coming back, as I read more and more solid information about influenza and its treatment. What I have – what my wife has – what singingsoul had – and what DePat likely had – was a long, slow case of influenza, with a long recovery time.
Bear in mind that viral diseases often leave patients stuffy and suffering many symptoms for 60 days (2 months), long after the virus is gone. That fits perfectly with the timescale that DePat reported.
I think it is very critical to make a correct diagnosis, and to beware of reflexive “it’s the vaccine” thinking, when DISEASE never went away as a significant threat. Maybe even a MORE significant threat.
It’s entirely possible that DePat was exposed to “shed vaccine” – but I would argue that it’s more possible she was exposed to a nasty flu, didn’t have the right tools to diagnose or treat it, and damage by this flu ultimately led to a heart attack or stroke.
Either way, I now urge everybody – investigate treatments ahead of time. Don’t wait for being sick, because you won’t make it to the store – you won’t make that long trip to Tennessee – you won’t figure out which drug, where to get it, and how to take it.
Do all that ahead of time, if you want to live.
With that, I invite people to give me THEIR opinions. Feel free to disagree with me! After all, we have free speech back. THANK GOD!!!
Finally, this. Say a prayer for DePat and her family – grieve as you need, and you WILL need – but trust that God knows what God is doing, and seek comfort in that knowledge.
Trust in God. He is with us, and DePat is with Him.
