DEAR MAGA: Open Thread 20220616

Since your friendly neighborhood author crashed big time, this is not going to be pretty, but hopefully effective.

Reading section:

NPR Uses ‘People Who Menstruate’ Phrase. Social Media Does Not Hold Back.

We’re called women.

Americans Overwhelmingly Oppose Transgender Athletes in Female Sports, Poll Shows

Can Republicans Save the Middle Class?

Depends on how hard they try.

Feminism Has Weakened Women

More like brainwashed, but, yes, feminized women are rather spoiled.

National Conservatism: A Statement Of Principles

A little highbrow, but, yes.

On Assassination Attempts

The lines between disorder, unrest, and civil conflict are blurring.

Stores Have Too Much Stuff. Here’s Where They’re Slashing Prices.

I’m game for a good bargain hunt.

How Ben & Jerry’s plans on getting their cows to stop farting, burping

You can’t make this stuff up.

Why the Focus on Veterinary Labs?

Twitter section:

Meme section:

And the Irish Potato Famine.


And now for the business portion.

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Be careful in expressing thoughts as we would all like to think well of the rest of the group, and ill-thought out comments have a way of wrecking that for everyone.

Fellow tree dweller Wheatie gave us some good reminders on the basics of civility in political discourse:

  1. No food fights
  2. No running with scissors
  3. If you bring snacks, be sure they are made with bacon

Auntie DePat’s requests as we are all supposedly adults and don’t just play them on TV like the body doubles pretending to be the squatter in chief:

If you see something has not been posted, do us all a favor, and post it. Please, do not complain that it has not been done yet.

The scroll wheel on your mouse can be your friend. As mature adults, please use it here in the same manner you would in avoiding online porn.

Thank you so much for any and all attention to such details. It is GREATLY appreciated by more than one party here.


SIRACH 48:1-14

1Then the prophet Elijah arose like a fire, and his word burned like a torch. 2He brought a famine upon them, and by his zeal he made them few in number. 3By the word of the Lord he shut up the heavens, and also three times brought down fire. 4How glorious you were, O Elijah, in your wondrous deeds! And who has the right to boast which you have? 5You who raised a corpse from death and from Hades, by the word of the Most High; 6who brought kings down to destruction, and famous men from their beds; 7who heard rebuke at Sinai and judgments of vengeance at Horeb; 8who anointed kings to inflict retribution, and prophets to succeed you. 9You who were taken up by a whirlwind of fire, in a chariot with horses of fire; 10you who are ready at the appointed time, it is written, to calm the wrath of God before it breaks out in fury, to turn the heart of the father to the son, and to restore the tribes of Jacob. 11Blessed are those who saw you, and those who have been adorned in love; for we also shall surely live. 12It was Elijah who was covered by the whirlwind, and Elisha was filled with his spirit; in all his days he did not tremble before any ruler, and no one brought him into subjection. 13Nothing was too hard for him, and when he was dead his body prophesied. 14As in his life he did wonders, so in death his deeds were marvelous.

PSALMS 97:1-7

1The LORD reigns; let the earth rejoice; let the many coastlands be glad! 2Clouds and thick darkness are round about him; righteousness and justice are the foundation of his throne. 3Fire goes before him, and burns up his adversaries round about. 4His lightnings lighten the world; the earth sees and trembles. 5The mountains melt like wax before the LORD, before the Lord of all the earth. 6The heavens proclaim his righteousness; and all the peoples behold his glory. 7All worshipers of images are put to shame, who make their boast in worthless idols; all gods bow down before him.

MATTHEW 6:7-15

7“And in praying do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do; for they think that they will be heard for their many words. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him. 9Pray then like this: Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, On earth as it is in heaven. 11Give us this day our daily bread; 12And forgive us our debts, As we also have forgiven our debtors; 13And lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from evil. 14For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you; 15but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.


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We don’t mind if you have to crash, DePat, so long as we can look after you when you do.


Hey WordPiss! Santa Claus makes it to millions of homes in one night – yet you can’t make one platform work. Sheesh.  😠 

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

What did WordPiss do now?


DePat said she crashed. Didn’t that mean she couldn’t get the automatic scheduler to function?

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

There was no post in the scheduler to be kicked out. She put the while thing together between that comment and when it published!!!


Do I have to apologize to WP?

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Where does WP go to get its reputation back?  😉 

Valerie Curren



Random recent memory link — the shower scene in Hitchcock’s Psycho didn’t use human blood in the drain. It didn’t use sheep blood. It didn’t use beef blood.

It used chocolate syrup, which looked better in black-and-white.


There’s a whole documentary about that one scene:

78/52: Hitchcock’s Shower Scene
Blu-ray + DVD
Shout Factory | 2017 | 92 min | Not rated | Feb 27, 2018

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Yummy  😋  chocolate

Gail Combs

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Baby formula is one thing. Chocolate – sacred CHOCOLATE – is another thing entirely.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

You misspelled “Bacon.”

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Bacon is merely pig-fermented chocolate! 😉

JW in Germany

Thanks for the new Keto tip! It’s a thing! 😎 

Keto Chocolate Covered Oven-Baked Bacon

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Unless the chocolate is sugar-free, I don’t see how that is keto friendly… 🍫😋

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I actually found the thought nauseating.


Yes, I’ve never tried that mixture. Sweet flavors with bacon are okay in some condiments, especially those that also have a little spice in them; but chocolate and bacon don’t appeal to me.

Gail Combs

A peanut butter sandwich with HOT bacon that melts the peanut butter….

Haven’t had one of those in YEARS.

Cuppa Covfefe

Probably would/will be popular with the “salted caramel” crowd…

Anyone remember “Clown Alley” in North Beach in SF that had “Hamburger Sundaes”?

A hamburger patty, with ice cream (your choice of flavor(s), and your choice of toppings (including mustard, ketchup, onions, tomators, etc.)…

A bunch of us went up there and (figures) a violinist friend of mine dove in and ordered the hamburger sundae.

Would have been hilarious if the rest of us could have ordered the toppings for him 😆

Ahhh. Nothing like mustard and onions on butter-brickle and chocolate mint ice-cream…

I’ll just have a salad and a beer, thanks 🙂

bflyjesusgrl 🍊 😎NUCLEAR MAGA😎



Yeah, ix-nay on hamburger and ice cream mixed!

JW in Germany

Yes, the sugar is substituted with erythritol.


😲 That can wreak havoc with digestion in some people.

JW in Germany

And it can help regulate others. 😀



Cuppa Covfefe

In Mel Brooks’ “High Anxiety”, it was newspaper ink 🙂

(Black and White and Read all over)….

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Great job – well worth the wait! Thank you! A nice start to the day!


YAY, DP!!!!!!

[Flashback to The Muppet Show — waving arms around]


So I sent an email to Dr. Ron about the anecdote where one species heads into the shallows and the other into the depths, because I had an extra question after his talk on Saturday.

He immediately knew what I was talking about, but corrected me in some particulars.

It wasn’t a South American River, it was a Nicaraguan crater lake. The fish weren’t silvery, they were yellowish. The fish were in the same genus. This wasn’t a random anecdote, it’s actually in the official description of the arrow cichlid. “Those two fish are the midas cichlid (Amphilophus citrinellum) and the arrow cichlid (Amphilophus zaliosum) from lakes in Nicaragua. In his description of the arrow cichlid, George referred to this behavior. The arrow cichlid would head into the middle of the lake whereas the midas cichlids would head to shore.”

Other than that, my recollection was reasonably accurate.

The extra question that I had was whether the Cichlid Egg Project had samples from both species and whether that would be an extra way to differentiate them. Unfortunately, “….as for the egg size, that is an interesting question. I have measured the eggs of many midas cichlids. The problem is getting true zaliosum. There are fish in the hobby which are labelled as zaliosum, but whether they actually are is a different matter (probably not).”

In the unlikely event that anyone would deem it necessary to consult with an ichthyologist, I would heartily recommend Dr. Ron — as he has great patience with fools such as myself.


There are so many “in jokes” among fishkeepers. When Dr. Ron says “many midas cichlids”… one point, his lab was running so many experiments on midas cichlids that he found himself with something like 32,000 adult fish at the end of his school year (likely some with PTSD).

Some he could use the next year (1000?), some he could donate to fish clubs (2000?), some he could unload on fish stores (5000?). In the end, his lab distorted the market for midas cichlids across three continents.


WATCH: Loser RINOs Refuse To Show Up And Debate Trump-Endorsed AZ Gov Candidate Kari Lake – Kari Takes Questions Anyway And Calls Out “RINO Cowards”

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I hope she crushes those creepy F’s. And if she doesn’t, it’s because they RIGGED IT again.


McCain is dead but his corrupted machine lives on. Go Kari once and for all take the corrupted machine out.


On Wednesday, MSN featured an article at the top of its site titled, “Severe COVID-19 Is ‘Rare’ In Unvaccinated.”

The article details a survey of 18,5000 unvaccinated respondents from 175 countries who elected to rely on natural immunity throughout the COVID pandemic.

According to the newly published survey conducted by the Control Group Cooperative, unvaccinated people were more likely to self-care to manage COVID-19 and use Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine, vitamins C, vitamin D and Zinc to fend off the infection and, consequently, reported fewer hospitalizations.

Respondents also reported struggling with mental health after experiencing discrimination for refusing “genetic vaccines” in a predominantly vaccinated society. They also expressed distrust in government information and the potential long-term adverse effects of mRNA technology.

Female participants claimed to have suffered from abnormal menstrual bleeding following the administration of COVID vaccines, despite being unvaccinated. They attributed the bleeding abnormalities to spike protein shedding.

[‼️] Those who refused to wear masks reported the lowest levels of COVID-19 infection.

The data was gathered over a five-month period from September 2021 through February 2021 and analyzed by an independent team led by Dr. Robert Verkerk, executive and scientific director of the Alliance for Natural Health International.


Thank you for bringing this.
One belongs to Control Group Cooperative (the listed above; it’s also at A copy of the membership card is now in the files of one’s PCP. Another copy is stapled to one’s emergency information papers.

Regarding the unanimous recommendation by the FDA’s VRBPAC committee yesterday for BOTH the Pfizer-BioNTech and the Moderna COVID-19 “vaccines” to be given to babies 6 months of age through toddlers up to 5 years of age (for the Moderna “vaccine”) —
The FDA d@mnwell KNOWS that COVID-19 mRNA “vaccines” do (not can) cause damage to the recipient’s body, that they do (not can) alter the DNA of the body, and that they do (not can) interfere with the body’s natural immune system.
The FDA also KNOWS that COVID-19 mRNA “vaccines” do not prevent an infection from the virus, and that instead are most likely responsible for the vast majority of the cases that have occurred since the rollout of these “vaccines.”
The CDC, which will have to sign off on any EUA granted for using these “vaccines” in the above age group, ALSO KNOWS these things.
It can be posited that BOTH the FDA and the CDC are controlled by the CCP and by Big Pharma.

It can also be posited that the [DS] / WEF / CCP / Cabal, have decided that We, The People must be “corralled” before the elections this November, with an eye toward the 2024 elections. A combination of roaring inflation, shortages, new “gun control” laws (with the useless, fellow-traveler RINO’s “going along to get along”), and now the imminent EUA’s for babies and toddlers to be damaged by the mRNA “vaccines”, among other issues — are part of this “corralling.” The ultimate goal being the DemCommunists firmly in place in all levels of U.S. government, with “tame” RINO’s as “token opposition party” hacks.

Dr. Eric Rubin, the VRBPAC committee member who was among the unanimous Yes votes of yesterday, was ALSO the voting member who said, in October 2021, when he voted Yes to have the COVID-19 mRNA ‘vaccines” given to children ages 5 to 11 —
“We’re never going to learn about how safe the vaccine is unless we start giving it. That’s just the way it goes.”
That one statement needs to be spread everywhere.

It can be posited that Dr. Rubin knew yesterday that the COVID-19 mRNA “vaccines” cause damage to the body. Yet, he voted Yes to have these “vaccines” given to the youngest children.

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Good info! I’ll have to look into that group.and see the benefits of membership and having one’s doctors know about it.


On the weird menstrual bleeding thing, there is this phenomenon I have seen and experienced where a group of women who work or live closely together will synchronize and all have periods at the same time. It can happen pretty fast. I think they are correct that the spike shedding caused it after the clot-shot roll out. Women’s bodies are already “primed” in some way by nature to sync up with each other in that way.

Gail Combs

Yes, we had all the females (INCLUDING THE MARES) sync at my riding stable. The mares were 180 out of phase (in Heat) YOU DID NOT WANT TO BE THERE THAT WEEK!

I still have the “Pissed off Mare Syndrome” tee shirt.

CARTOON OF A HORSE (with red ribbon on tail meaning she is a kicker.)
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Geldings should have to go through this
Brush me and DIE
My Back is killing me



Cuppa Covfefe

Gives a whole new meaning to “blazing saddles” 🙂

Longs Drugs used to have a computer (HP3000/MicroXE or 37) at every store, which fed data into the sometime (OK, often) aggravating Pharmacy Management System (programmed, administered, and maintained by the distaff staff, as it were 🙂 ).

P M S…

They told me it was aptly named 🙂


Lol! And they weigh 2000 pounds!

Gail Combs

More like 800 – 1200 for a riding horse. It is the drafts that are up their in weight.


Lol! Yeah, I am a big exaggerater.


GWP is highlighting this article:

What We Learned From Hating the Unvaccinated [emphasis mine]

The battlefield is still warm, following Canada’s war on the unvaccinated. The mandates have let up, and both sides stumble back into something that looks like the old normal — except that there is a fresh and present injury done to the people we tried to break. And no one wants to talk about it.

Only weeks ago, it was the admitted goal of our own leaders to make life unlivable for the unvaccinated. And as a deputized collective, we force-multiplied that pain, taking the fight into our families, friendships, and workplaces. Today, we face the hard truth that none of it was justified — and, in doing that, uncover a precious lesson.

It was a quick slide from righteousness to cruelty, and however much we might blame our leaders for the push, we’re accountable for stepping into the trap despite better judgment.

We knew that waning immunity put vast numbers of the fully vaccinated on par with the shrinking minority of unvaccinated, yet we marked them for special persecution. We said they hadn’t “done the right thing” by turning their bodies over to state care — even though we knew that principled opposition to such a thing is priceless in any circumstance. And we truly let ourselves believe that going into another ineffectual lockdown would be their fault, not the fault of toxic policy.

And so it was by the willful ignorance of science, civics, and politics that we squeezed the unvaccinated to the degree that we did.

We invented a new rubric for the good citizen and — failing to be one ourselves — took pleasure in scapegoating anyone who didn’t measure up. After months of engineered lockdowns, having someone to blame and to burn simply felt good.

So we cannot hold our heads high, as if believing we had logic, love, or truth on our side while we viciously wished death upon the unvaccinated. The best we can do is sit in the awareness of our rabid inhumanity for having cast so many aside.

Most of us who pilloried the noncompliant did it because it seemed like certain victory, like the unvaccinated would never make it through unbroken. Indeed, the promised new normal looked unbeatable, so we sided with it and made punching bags out of the holdouts.

But betting against them has been a scathing embarrassment for many of us who’ve now learned that the mandates only had the power we gave them. It was not through quiet compliance that we avoided endless domination by pharmaceutical companies and medical checkpoints at every doorway. It was thanks to the people we tried to tear down.

So for those of us not among the hopeless few that pray for the return of mandates, we might find some inner gratitude for the unvaccinated. We took the bait by hating them, but their perseverance bought us the time to see we were wrong.

It seems right now like the mandates will return, but this time there’s hope that more of us will see them for what they are: a rising authoritarianism that has no concern for our wellbeing. If there’s an enemy, it’s the confidence game of state power and the transparent attempt to tear us apart. Heeding that looks like our best shot at redemption.

Written by Susan Dunham.

Susan Dunham can be found on Instagram @susankaydunham and at Susan Dunham on Medium.


No worries, Susie — all will be forgiven once those responsible are HANGED. It’s really the most sincere form of redemption.


She never even asked forgiveness.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Speaking of biolabs……

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WOW. I’m kinda shocked that somebody gets it, but this would also explain the puzzling reaction that I’m getting from most of the vaccinated who were not “rabid maskies and vaxxies”. They seem far more receptive and open-minded about the negatives of the vaccines. I didn’t think it was my stunning arguments and oration – I’m saying the same things I said months and years ago. But something has changed in terms of how it’s being received.


Yes, this article leaves me wondering how many others feel the same way she does. I had not known there was anyone. I wonder if people are starting to realize that all the debilitation and deaths of athletes, famous musicians and actors, and people they know are vaccine-related. I always thought that’s what it would take to wake them up, but I had no expectation that it would actually happen.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I get the feeling they know, but they’re not ready to speak about it.

I think that a lot of these people may have even voted for Trump, thought he lost, and now realize that he didn’t lose.

Brave and Free

Exactly, my siblings both took the shot. One double boosted and now has heart issues. Funny thing is the one who stopped after the first shot is a nurse and she’s now getting that things aren’t what they are telling us.


Yep – have a sister who threatened us (literally) that we better get the jabs after her unjabbed, obese, 68 year old SIL died in ICU from COVID. Of course the SIL waited to see her doc until she had an O2 level of 80 and then agreed to take Remdesivir when admitted to the hospital. Dead in 5 days.

So now I see my sister, former beauty pageant winner and majorette in a famous college marching band, a girl with natural, youthful beauty well into 60 years old – and she looks like she is at least 20 years older and nearing the end of her time on this planet. Nagging health issues she never had.

For some reason (sarc/) she no longer speaks of jabs and boosters. She sees her significantly older brother and SIL still traveling and taking care of children and grandchildren, going out visiting folks without masks and paying any attention to the Fauxis, Karens and Kens of the world.

But get this. She and her husband have always been big Trump supporters. MAGA through and through. But still fell for it from the fear porn and influence of Trump to take the jabs.

It’s called unspoken buyer’s remorse. A strong influencer of future decisions if allowed to ferment without external buttons being pushed. Unfortunately, it can be a life or death understanding.


It is the “unspoken” part which is the essential problem. Many, many people have little or no integrity, and are incapable of an examination of conscience. They may be otherwise “nice” people, but are just unmoored. They can be easily influenced to inflict cruelty, which is what the past two years has been about.

It is basic human decency to acknowledge giving harm, and to ask forgiveness. But there are tens of millions of Americans who will never do that.


Expressing regret for even minor offenses and asking forgiveness are rare. It can be hard for humans to admit they were wrong or have done wrong. Yet, a sincere, humble apology opens the door to wonderful healing and deeper relationships. To acknowledge that someone else didn’t deserve whatever happened is a way to show true love and care.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

In this case, she’s explained that she made a mistake, but not come out with “I apologize” or “I’m sorry” so it’s a sort of odd thing there–she’s admitted she was wrong but not closed the emotional loop with her victims.




I never expect for someone to apologize. If I like people I feel people have or had a bad day. I am not perfect cannot expect perfection of others.
Yes if I am aware I hurt someone I do say sorry. Just like forgiving others that is a release so apologizing is a release. The grace is to accept an apology with humility..


Beautifully said singing🎶🎶🎶


Truth is always beautiful 🙂
All comes down to gratefulness.


I tracked down her website to find out who she was.

Apparently she also posts on Instagram.

This was the first time I saw an admission of guilt by anyone. It was published April 27, and she has 436 followers. Going by the titles of her other articles, she has become a covid skeptic, but no other information about her.

The other side is completely lacking integrity. Their psychological impetus is sadism, as Dunham implicitly but unwittingly acknowledges.

Dunham would benefit everyone if she wrote more about the lack of human decency faced by normal Americans every day in seemingly every way, epitomized by the insulting lies we are told about everything.

IMO we are well past acknowledgment of guilt, let alone apologies, and sincere requests for forgiveness.

Gail Combs

Thank Naomi Wolf, Robert Kennedy Jr. and The Bannon War Room posse who have been digging through the Pfizer data dump and finding LOTS of HORRIFYING truth bombs.

They are now starting the lawsuits. That is WHY they are rolling out the authorizations (FOR LEGAL PROTECTION)

MUST SEE: 7 minutes (She talks of risks to babies that the FDA is IGNORE.)
June 8, 2022: Naomi Wolf: 23 Heavily Cited Reports Against Pfizer Already Have Been Produced

Dr. Naomi Wolf: The New York Times Manipulated Best Seller List To Suppress ‘The Bodies Of Others’
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Breaking: 58 Babies Who Received mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines Suffered Life-Threatening Adverse EventsJune 14, 2022 • by Ranit Feinberg & Yaffa Shir-Raz

An analysis of VAERS reports shows that contrary to the FDA’s briefing document claiming that the majority of adverse events in Pfizers’ clinical trial were non-serious – at least 58 cases of life-threatening side effects in infants under 3 years old who received mRNA vaccines were reported. For some, it is unclear if they survived. It is also unclear why the infants were vaccinated, and whether they were part of the clinical trials. 


I saw the show and was an eye opener.


You’re welcome.

Fuck you

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Love it!


I’m sorta in a mood.

Gail Combs

  :wpds_cool:  funny that.

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  :wpds_shock:  I get it. I really do.


I’ve just had it with these ostrich people. They mistreated us all. They need to BEG forgiveness. On their knees.


Susan, they never had any immunity in the first place. There was nothing to wane. And while I’m at it, GFY.

Gail Combs

And we are to forgive and let bygones be bygones?

How often do we have to be the left’s PUNCHING BAG before we say ENOUGH!

They twist Christianity and the Bible to say they MUST be forgiven even though they do NOTHING to atone for their repeated cruelty.

A child who is endlessly forgiven and NEVER has to pay any price for their errors, ends up uncivilized savages like ANTIFA and the BLM rioters.

Sorry I gave up being a punching bag a LOOOOoooong time ago.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

“Forgive but don’t forget” is summed up by that preacher who grabbed that antifa guy’s fist in mid-punch, as he tried to sucker-punch a conservative listener. He literally threw the antifa guy’s fist back at him and did the babushka wink at him!

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My kind of preacher .. 🤨👍😉🤚😜


I believe those who were jabed later ,because early once did not know, got the jab because of fear. Fear can be powerful and can make people a liability to themselves and others. I feel in my circles fear kept them away even were rude it is all about them not me. I have no ill feelings toward them because my life went on and is nice thank you Lord 🙂
If they hold on to their fear I pray for them may God heal them of their fear 🙂


Talking about interactions with Dr. Ron — which are pretty casual and (hopefully) mutually enjoyable… reminds me of another academic contact.

Back when I entered the field, the rules for accounting were complex, but there were certain inflection points where things would change. It was normally assumed that the client was a “going concern” where they’d try to make a profit with varying amounts of success. If they were not a “going concern”, however, everything in the company got rearranged. Things were not about anticipated profit or loss in an normal course of business, but about liquidation value in a fire sale.

As one might imagine, telling a client that he should be considering shutting down the “business” and cashing out what he can is never popular — and the guidance for the moment to do so referenced the accountant’s testosterone levels.

Now, back in 1968, Edward I. Altman published a paper based on numerical analysis of historical bankruptcies. This paper sat around for a decade or so and came roaring back in the ’80s when bankruptcies were more common.

So we come to the mid-80s and the firm has a client that is running out of business. I’m supposed to document its Altman-Z score [ ] to try to head off litigation. I’m having some difficulty with the formula, so I call Edward Altman on the phone.

I’ve got to say that he was a super-nice guy, especially when he was being called by a person who was six years old when he published his seminal paper. Initially, he was horrified that I might be using the Altman-Z score to doom a company — but I kept explaining that the company was already doomed and we were packing our files to minimize follow-on litigation.

Eventually, I got the guidance I needed to work his equation and thanked him for his time.

He was a total mensch and just horrified that his Altman-Z score might have a practical application.

Barb Meier

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Verse of the Day for Thursday, June 16, 2022

“So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding;” 

Proverbs 2:2 (KJV)

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Thank You, Jesus, for blessings received and prayers answered!!!



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Father God, I now follow your command to put on the full armor of God, because my battle is not against flesh and blood but against rulers, authorities, the powers of this dark world and against spiritual forces of evil in the unseen world.

I first pray on the Belt of Truth that it may be buckled around my waist, may I be centered and encircled by your truth dear Lord. Hem me inside all that is true and right, and may I be protected and held up by the truth of your living word, in my Lord Jesus name.

I pray on the Breastplate of righteousness, please protect my vital organs and my inner man, cover my integrity, my spirit, and my soul. Guard my heart for it is the wellspring of life, please strengthen and guard the most vulnerable places in my life with that which is right, good, and noble that I might not receive a fatal blow from the enemy, in my Lord Jesus name.

I pray on the Gospel Shoes of Peace. I choose to stand in the shoes of your good news, and on the firm foundation of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, the solid eternal rock. All other ground is sinking sand, I pray that I will not slip or fall, but that my feet would be firmly fitted on your lordship, my Lord Jesus. I choose to stand on you, so that the peace of God, which transcends all understanding will guard my heart and mind in Christ Jesus, the eternal Rock of Ages. I receive your holy peace now my Lord, from the sole of my feet to the crown of my head, in my Lord Jesus name.

I pray the Shield of Faith into my hand now. As I take up the shield of faith, I ask that you might extinguish every dart and arrow, that is launched from the enemy to take me down spiritually, physically, mentally, emotionally, and every attempt of the enemy to destroy my joy. I ask that my faith in you would make it flame out. Extinguish every flaming arrow that would come against me, my life, my family, my home, or my ministry. May my faith always be out in front of me like a shield. Give me the courage to “faith my fears” by choosing to walk by faith and not by sight, in my Lord Jesus name.

I pray on the Helmet of Salvation, that you might protect my mind from the thoughts that can lead me astray. I choose to take every thought captive, and arrest all intentioned ideas and motives that would harm others, or distract me from your holy will for me. I submit every captured thought to the Lordship of my Lord Jesus Christ, and ask that you would imprison those thoughts that are not of you my Lord. Transform my mind and renew my thinking that I may think God thoughts, and have a sober mind that is focused on your glory. Please protect me from being double minded that I may allow my mind, I reject to live an earthly life, because I choose to live a holy one, governed by you My Lord Jesus, the prince of peace, please have my mind to be saturated with the holy mind of Christ, in my Lord Jesus name.

Finally, I take up the Sword of the Spirit which is the holy word of God, I pray this powerful offensive weapon into my hand, and ask that your holy word would be fitting for every encounter I face. As the enemy gets close to me, please give me the insight, wisdom, and skill to wield the word of God to drive away the enemy, in my Lord Jesus name.

May the enemy and his team flee from me, upon hearing the word of God spoken by the power and direction of the Holy Spirit. Give me the sword of the spirit to cut through the wiles of the devil, so that I may discern the schemes of the enemy when he is near.

With all kinds of prayers, supplication, and intercession I pray to you my Lord God as the one who fights my battles. Now that I’m in your holy powerful armor, I walk away covered and ready to face my day as you go before me, and please protect me in the midst of the spiritual warfare in this unseen world, in my Lord Jesus name.

Thank you my Lord, for the spiritual weapons of armor and prayer that you have given me. It is written no weapon formed against me shall prosper, and you will refute every tongue that accuses me. 

Thank you Father God, my Lord Jesus and the Holy Spirit, that I am more than a conqueror in my Lord Jesus. I pray all of this in the mighty name of my Lord God and Savior Jesus Christ.


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Good Morning, friends. Here is an update on my brother’s condition. He is holding steady. Yesterday he was more alert than before. He waived as soon as he saw us. I just spoke to nurse, last night he requested pen and paper and wrote in full sentences to let nurse know he was experiencing back pain.

Yesterday we made it clear to doctor and staff that we were fighting for his right to try to recover. I told them we would not entertain palliative care at this time. While we were in waiting room compiling questions for my brother and staff, they sent a palliative care worker into his room to question him. I blew my stack and told them they were not to do that unless one of his siblings was in the room. They are maneuvering to remove us as decision makers. I don’t have POA at this time. I will try to get that today.

I requested ombudsman, finally spoke with someone late yesterday, but don’t put much stock in it.

Medically, they are treating him for pneumonia and I believe that’s helping very much. His bp swings low, they say from inflammation. It’s been pretty controlled for the last 48 hours. He has not had dialysis since Friday and is not scheduled for that today. I am going to ask what their criteria is to give it. He is on 40% oxygen. He is close to level necessary to try to start weaning from vent.

Does anyone know what I should stats I should ask for concerning the need for dialysis on any given day?


Certainly good news, answers should be forth coming soon.


About your brother’s turn around from being less responsive to more responsive and that you think it might be the way he’s being treated for pneumonia, also the other day you mentioned he was sedated to help make the breathing tube more comfortable. Just a thought and feel free to discount it, but I’d wonder if there is way you can compare the meds used for sedation then and now. Hate to think his change was caused the medicine cart having arrived late or some such and might later return if the sedation is not really needed to the extent used. To that end what does he think about the level of sedation he’s been getting? A question best answered when he’s less sedated, I’d think.


You bet.
Once Yours Truly had my late husband’s Healthcare Power of Attorney in hand, with a copy to the hospital, the staff began to understand that I was prepared to be “SOB-But Polite Level Serious” regarding his care. The nurses actually worked with me to read the daily medications section of his EMR chart on the computer in his hospital room. And I was not shy in asking about changes, who approved them, what was the rationale, etc.

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It’s very important, but you still have to be careful. I was Medical Power of Attorney for my loved one, and no one asked me about palliative care or mentioned it, until one day I was asking a doctor some questions and in passing he said, “Well, when they put him on palliative care…” I went through the roof.

Moral: Never let up in vigilance and care. They will continue to try to work around you in some cases.

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Thank you for the update. Your brother IS fighting for his life and wants to live.
Warning from the “Been There” department:
The hospital staff will continue to try and maneuver / coerce / “convince” your brother to “agree” for Palliative Care, to “agree” that his condition is “hopeless”, etc. — and that the staff watches to see if a family member is in the hospital room.

If your brother can write, that means he can sign a Healthcare Power of Attorney document (even if it’s only with an “X”). Most hospitals either have Notaries on-site, or you can insist on yourself getting a paid, “traveling” Notary to come to the hospital room to Notarize the document. If the document requires a witness, and your brother and you request one, to also sign the document, the hospital must provide you with a witness.
At this point, one believes it is critical to get the Healthcare Power of Attorney taken care of at the earliest possible moment.
There are Healthcare Power of Attorney template documents available online that can be printed out for free. One simply fills in the blanks and/or adds whatever language is necessary (any added language may need to be initialed on the document). It is crucial that the document states that a COPY of the completed original has the same legal force as does the completed original.
Many years ago, one did this very thing for her late father when he was hospitalized and the staff was trying to “convince” him to go into Hospice when he didn’t want to and was indeed fighting for his life.
Once you get the the Healthcare Power of Attorney taken care of, a copy must be given to the hospital and you keep the original with you at all times. NEVER give the original to anyone — give them a copy of the signed, Notarized (and/or witnessed) original.

It is now important, IMO, that the hospital staff and doctors understand that you are very serious and focused on helping your brother fight for his life so that he gets better and continues to live. Having the completed Healthcare Power of Attorney in hand is a critical part of this.

The National Kidney Foundation guidelines are that dialysis is needed when kidney function drops to 15% or less, confirmed by lab tests. IMO, this is the figure you need to know EVERY DAY.

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Thank you RDS! I have contacted a law firm that I dealt with on an estate, they are close to hospital. I am doing this now.


Good stuff!
The law firm probably has Notaries on staff to bring to the hospital room. If you need a witness for the Healthcare Power of Attorney document, the law firm will also bring someone. It’s good to video record the signing and Notarization.
IMO, if the hospital staff tells you that you can’t video or take photos, tell them you’ve contacted your attorney’s office — (this is from the “Been There Files,”) Once the hospital understands that a family member is “SOB-But Polite Level Serious” about protecting the rights and the life of their loved one, that’s when the staff starts to respect the family member.
IIRC, you said that a signed DNR for your brother was rescinded. It’s crucial for you to get a hard copy printout of proof that this was indeed rescinded.
IDK if your brother is on Medicare, but most hospitals are still on the “Medicare Clock” that goes from Noon to Noon from Monday-Friday. So the hospital will try to get the patient out the door by Noon on discharge day in order to have the bed ready for the next patient.

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I did not know about “medicare clock”, that explains why they rushed the permanent port procedure last Friday that resulted in him being put on a ventilator. OMG I told them I felt the procedure had been rushed. Ghouls!


Again, from the “Been There Files” department:
Putting in a permanent port can open the door to the possibility of DVT (Deep Vein Thrombosis) appearing. IMO, your brother needs to be checked on this EVERY DAY he has that port. Especially if the procedure to install the port was rushed.
It’s important to document that you told the staff your felt that the procedure was rushed. That’s one reason to take detailed notes on everything — and keep the notes with you. If a staff member wants a copy of any of your notes, all they get is a Xerox copy or a cellphone photo of the originals — never the originals themselves.

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Any invasive opening like that can also lead to sepsis, so that needs to be watched for as well.

Gail Combs


bflyjesusgrl 🍊 😎NUCLEAR MAGA😎

Also be advised about the different levels of Medicare. If a patient is no longer emergent but requires more than outpatient care they will send to a long term care hospital which costs less than a regular hospital. Both are fully covered by medicare.
If a patient has a 3 day hospital stay, that automatically entitles them to 90days free in-patient rehab stay at a qualified facility.

My dad fell, was in hospital for 3 days. I put him in rehab section of nursing home for extra nursing care and lots of physical therapy for 90 days, no cost. (Perfect place for him during hurricane, btw). Moved him in with me once released.

He had stroke, 3+ days hospital, 90days rehab, then moved to long term care side of nursing home(I pay). If he had to go to hospital again, went 3 days, then long term care hospital, then back to nursing home – rehab section if any unused 90days available or long term if none.

You can have one 90day rehab every 6mos.

Last 6mos of his life, he bounced from ER, 3 days hospital, long term hosp, NH rehab, back to ER over and over til he died. I didn’t have to pay the nursing home because he was never well enough to go back to long term care side and he hadn’t run out of his 90 total days of rehab.


Absolutely agree.
Once the social worker / case manager at the hospital knows that a family member is “wise” to the Medicare clock, the 90-day rules, etc., that family member can “talk turkey” to them.

bflyjesusgrl 🍊 😎NUCLEAR MAGA😎

Regular hospitals, long term care hospitals, nursing home rehabs all love those Medicare rules. They get to charge the MAX and receive 100% payment from US Government.


^ Big. Do it people. Do it before it is needed, but do it regardless. Time is of the essence.

Never forget it is all about the money with hospitals and medical care providers. Precious few corporations and governments “feel” human emotions, they do not have hearts and care about personal issues. That’s up to you to defend.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Thank you for your excellent advice!!!


Good for you for fighting for him! Once the hospital staff learns to fear your wrath, they will behave better.

I agree 100% with everything RDS states here under your comment.

I will also add that you should document everything and make it OBVIOUS you are doing so. Take photos of stuff if you can. Ask if you can record recommendations they are making so you can research them. If they know you are keeping good records, they will behave better.

I have long said people treat us how we teach them to treat us. You are giving these people a lesson in how you and your brother are to be treated.

I would try to have someone present with your brother at all times if possible. Call in the cavalry and camp out.

You are a warrior! I’m proud of you!


I used your word “unacceptable” endlessly yesterday. They normally call me at 9:00 AM for updates. No call today.


IMO, if they haven’t called you within the next 30 minutes, contact the Charge Nurse on the floor and tell him/her that you’re supposed to be called at 9AM for an update on your brother, that there’s been no call today, and that you’re in contact with your attorney’s office.
“SOB-But Polite Level Serious” is what the staff will understand. Too bad it’s got to this level, but there it is.


Good for you!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Creatine and BUN are probably two of the most important levels used to indicate kidney health, but it gets complicated from there. Beginning of the discussion.

bflyjesusgrl 🍊 😎NUCLEAR MAGA😎

The most common components tested in most renal panels include:

  • Glucose: Also known as blood sugar, glucose provides energy for the body. Excess glucose in the blood, though, can be a sign of metabolic problems like diabetes.
  • Phosphorus: Phosphorus is an essential mineral for your bones, teeth, nervous system, and muscles. Phosphorus comes primarily from the foods and drinks that you consume.
  • Calcium: Calcium is a mineral that is vital for the bones, muscles, cardiovascular system, and nervous system. The main source of calcium is your diet, and the body stores calcium in the bones.
  • Potassium: Potassium is a type of electrolyte. Electrolytes are minerals that enable acid-base balance, healthy fluid levels, and proper functioning of muscles and nerves. Potassium comes from your diet and is found throughout the body.
  • Sodium: Sodium is another electrolyte that comes from your diet, and the amount of sodium in the body is largely controlled by the kidneys.
  • Chloride: Chloride is an electrolyte that works in conjunction with other electrolytes to carry out various functions, including preserving a healthy balance of fluids.
  • Bicarbonate: Bicarbonate is another electrolyte. Levels of bicarbonate help assess the amount of carbon dioxide (CO2) in your blood.
  • Albumin: Albumin is a protein that is produced in the liver and found in the blood. It carries important substances through the body and helps maintain the proper pressure in the blood vessels so that fluids do not leak out of the blood.
  • *****Creatinine: Creatinine is a waste byproduct that is consistently formed as a result of normal muscle activity. The kidneys remove creatinine from the blood so that it can be carried out of the body in urine.
  • *****Blood urea nitrogen (BUN): Urea nitrogen, sometimes just called urea, is a waste product from protein activity. Like creatinine, it is removed from the blood by the kidneys and cleared from the body in urine.

Other measurements that may also included in a renal panel include:

  • Anion gap: The anion gap is a comparison of different electrolytes. Specific electrolytes can be positively or negatively charged, and this test assesses the balance between the two types. This measurement helps determine if you have too much or too little acid in your blood.
  • *****Estimated glomerular filtration rate (eGFR): The eGFR is an evaluation of kidney function. Glomeruli are tiny filters in the kidneys, and the eGFR is a calculation of how much blood they are filtering every minute. There are different ways to calculate eGFR, but most tests use a special formula based on your creatinine level.
  • Total protein: There are several kinds of proteins that can be found in the blood, and total protein is a count of all of them. These proteins include albumin and multiple types of globulins, which are made by the immune system.
  • *****BUN-to-creatinine ratio: In some cases, comparing the amounts of the waste products BUN and creatinine can provide information about whether abnormal levels are being caused by problems in the kidneys or another part of the body..

The top two indicators: Kt/V and URRWhile there are several tests that monitor your kidney function and overall health, Kt/V and URR are key ways to monitor the effectiveness of your dialysis treatment: 

Kt/V should be at least 1.2 or above—Kt/V stands for clearance multiplied by time divided by volume. This ratio allows your doctor to understand how well waste has been removed by your dialysis treatment.

URR should be at least 65%—URR stands for urea reduction ratio. It is a percentage based on how much blood urea nitrogen (BUN) was removed during a dialysis treatment. It indicates how effectively urea and other waste products have been removed from your blood.

***** Tests to indicate kidney problems, waste in blood and need for dialysis

He should be on a dialysis schedule. 1X, 3X/week, more? Ask Dr’s what it is and why? Are they doing labs before? afterwards?

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Great stuff! Thank you!

Had to monitor FIL’s #’s, especially for chemo. They weren’t good enough for the best drug. They would reduce the dosage of the drugs they were giving him if #’s were bad. One time they cancelled chemo completely and sent us directly to hospital for 3 days of IV fluids. They really wanted dialysis but he wouldn’t do it. CKD causes confusion, but he was angry and agitated (he hated Docs) making it hard to pick up on how bad he was.


Comments from MoA:


1st poster:

Are the forces of the French resistance finally rising up against the occupier?
On June 14, at the Russian embassy in Paris, De Gaulle denounced

…”the responsibility of the United States in the current conflict, the disastrous role of NATO which is constantly expanding, and the ill-considered policy of the Ukrainian government. The latter, strengthened by beautiful promises and fed by American and European illusions, has led a very condemnable policy towards the Russian-speaking populations of Donbass, multiplying discrimination, despoilment, embargo and bombing.”

Video from the site of RT France, inaccessible in all countries of the European Union without VPN (use Psiphon and oddly pretend you’re in Serbia), no English subtitles unfortunately:
Pierre De Gaulle is the grandson of the General.


2nd poster:

Thanks for the link to RT
where Grandson of Général De Gaulle denounced

…”the responsibility of the United States in the current conflict, the disastrous role of NATO which is constantly expanding, and the ill-considered policy of the Ukrainian government. The latter, strengthened by beautiful promises and fed by American and European illusions, has led a very condemnable policy towards the Russian-speaking populations of Donbass, multiplying discrimination, despoilment, embargo and bombing.”Video from the site of RT France

Incredibly powerful and true.
Look like is grandfather nearly 82 years ago from “ennemy” London radio.

If nobody does it first, I will try to transcript and translate


2nd poster above posts Part 1 below of translation:


Pierre de Gaulle
born in Suresnes on June 20, 1963, is the youngest son of Admiral Philippe de Gaulle, a true naval officer as Martianov likes them, who volunteered in the French Navy in 1940, at the age of 19 as a simple sailor.

When Pierre de Gaulle spoke at the Russian embassy at that precise moment, it was necessarily a message from a part of France to the world.

Transcript available [French] on internet site of Russian ambassy in Paris.
Deepl translate

On behalf of the French people, I cordially greet

the Russian people and its leaders and President Vladimir Putin.

Your Excellencies, Ladies and Gentlemen, Officials, Ladies and Gentlemen

thank you, on behalf of my family and my father, Admiral de Gaulle, for inviting us to the

for inviting us to the celebration of your National Day.

Our peoples are linked by long years of friendship and by the blood shed against the Nazis.

This is an opportunity for me to repeat that the Franco-Russian relationship was

for General de Gaulle of a very particular importance. France and

Russia are close to each other but also united by the awareness of their

community of interests and destinies.

Even more, Russia was seen by my grandfather as a reverse ally

indispensable to his security but because it took part in his conception of the

of the balance of Europe and of its place in the world.

The General even said: “The disastrous decision of Napoleon to attack Alexander I is the most

mistake he made. Nothing forced him to do so. It was contrary to our interests, to our traditions, to our genius. It is from the war between Napoleon and the Russians that

our decadence.

I have come here to affirm once again, loud and clear, that it is in France’s interest to maintain good relations with Russia and to say that we must work together to help the union and security of our continent,

as well as to the balance, progress and peace of the entire world.

Everyone today recognizes the responsibility of the United States in the present conflict, the

conflict, the disastrous role of the ever-expanding NATO and the ill-considered policy of the Ukrainian government. The latter, strengthened by beautiful promises and fed by American and European illusions, has led a very condemnable policy towards the Russian-speaking populations of Donbass, multiplying discrimination,

spoliation, embargoes and bombings.

The Westerners have unfortunately let Zelenski, his oligarchs and the neo-Nazi military groups get locked into a spiral of war.

This blindness has serious consequences for the Ukrainian people. But let us not be mistaken

But let’s make no mistake: what do the Americans want if not to provoke a new East-West confrontation, whose only goal is to weaken and divide Europe in order to impose their

impose their directives, their economy and their system?

/… /

End of part 1


Same poster:


Really sorry,
Transcript available on internet site of Russian ambassy in Paris,
machine translate… and posted three times

but something is broken. Don’t know what.


He’s being wishy washy about it, but this is certainly a break from the propaganda game.
Pope Francis Believes that Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine was “Perhaps Provoked”

During an interview published on June 14, 2022, Pope Francis stated that Russia’s special military operation in Ukraine was “perhaps somehow either provoked or not prevented.” The pope’s statements provoked international outrage due to the conventional wisdom that Russia is 100% at fault and Ukraine was a perfectly innocent bystander in the lead up to this conflict…

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

About time SOMEBODY with some reach in the West woke up on this stuff.


Hoping this keeps up and gains steam. Biden will get left holding the bag, but ultimately it will be the United States if our dumb assess in Congress don’t quit with Putin Bad. Trump is the only person on the American stage with serious clout that has maintained any type of impartiality in this conflict. I want to say that includes DeSantis in the Putin bad club, though he’s kept it low key, unlike the idiot in Texas.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Very few people are attuned to the historical folly of invading Russia. Even fewer can extrapolate from that principle.




Just like Communism, some idiots will say, “this time will be different.”

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

LOL! Exactly .


Wolf Moon
Yessir, IMO, Napoleon (and France) never really recovered from his attempt.


Shock Question: Is Obama a Prepper? 😮
Gas For Me But Not For Thee: Obama To Install Massive Propane Tanks In New England Mansion

Obama is installing 2 1000 gallon propane tanks and a 500 gallon propane tank at his Marthas Vineyard mansion for a total of 2,500 gallon capacity.

With a home that big you’d think he’d put up some solar panels or wind turbines.
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We can assume the zoning laws might not allow for that, but then why would the king of the New Green Deal even considering buying there then?

The guy has 5 homes now.
1/ a 6,000 sq ft waterfront house in Hawaii;
2/ a 5,000 sq ft hilltop house w a heli-pad on a golf course in Palm Springs, Ca
3/ the Chicago South side house
4/ the Wa. DC Kalorama house
5/ and this Martha’s Vineyard house.

And another on the way!
In Hawaii. I wonder now if any of these are green homes?

He’s certainly not following what he preaches and appears to be very concerned to keep his access to fossil fuels.


The Messiah from Hell is doing quite well for himself here in this world. Doubt it will work out as well for him in the next.

All you have to do is observe the real worlds of these azzhats to know that all they say and rep is bogus BS.


Amen well said 🙂


Non of them fallow what they preach. They are the overlords we are the underlings they want to lord over.


Big question is what is Obama prepping for? What does he know that we don’t. (Actually we know, that being that they aren’t going to return anything back to normal, but instead will be making it worse, but how much worse?. 2,500 gal tank is not a small thing I’d think but I’m not sure. I wonder how many other homes have a similar capacity?

Not a math guy, wonder if anyone wants to make any guess’s on the size of his generator and how long 2500 gals will last.

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That’s almost an impossible task without knowing the BTU’s consumed with what he has in there. If it is total electricity generation or combined with heating, cooking, water heating, etc. Probably using tankless gas water heating. Heating would be the big issue, but that scum sucker will not be there in the winter, he will be jetskiihg in Hawaii other than for His Fakeness’ holiday parties. So I’m guessing it is more for electricity generation back-up in which case – multiple months.

He makes me wish instantaneous site specific global warming spawned tsunamis at his properties while he and Michael are at one of them. Still don’t understand how so many of our fellow citizens could not see through the veil of Satan’s spawn when he first ran for office. Total POS.

Gail Combs

He had ZERO EXPERIENCE except as a Rabble Rouser errr Community Organizer… OH WAIT!
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Barb Meier

Ground report: I have a 500 gallon propane tank. They fill from about 30% up to 80% to account for expansion. For me in my 3500 sq ft home, I use about 5% of the tank per week. I only use propane for a small kitchen heat stove plus the gas furnace backup to my heat pump that runs whenever temps drop below 32 degrees. I do have a gas stove top, but don’t use it since buying 230 to 250 gallons of propane at a time is pricey. I tend to need it refilled twice over a winter but sometimes end iup at 50 to 70% left once spring arrives and I turn off the kitchen heat stove and the gas furnace doesn’t run.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I have two such, and refill them both in August (approximately). That gets me through the year.

Generally prices are lowest then.

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For a visual in size /context, a 500 lb propane tank is approx. 12 foot long x 3 foot wide. do the math. 2,500 lbs is a lot of storage. Resupply would require a convoy to prevent hijacking.
Obie produces enough gas daily to power the entire island.  😂 


Right… There will be tribunals … Russian tribunals

and,,, there will be executions …

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

The Russians have to play that game carefully. The rats are waiting for phony moral high ground – to cast themselves as victims, etc. – so best not to overplay that hand too soon.

We have our reasons for “dibs” on the criminals, too.


Yessir, this ^.

They’ve already announced all prisoners, mercenaries, traitors are getting the death penalty. They will allow one appeal but that will go nowhere. Russians ain’t playin. Can’t hardly blame them, Zelensky has publicly cancelled the Geneva convention and his Nazis are torturing Russia’s soldier before they murder them.

DM has article about 2 Americans(among others) fighting for UKR who were captured by Russians. One’s crying girlfriend and the other’s mother went on GMA to beg Creepy for assistance in bringing them home. Sorry gals, those boys aren’t coming back.

Gail Combs

This has interviews with Russian speaking Ukrainians and what the AZOV NAZIS did to them, (English subtitles) Whether or not it is propaganda I do not know,


This makes sense to me.

Gail Combs

Yes, Trump is DUMB like a fox.


JJ Sefton at Ace of Spades has a whopper of a piece… imo …

We have yet to figure out the Fall of the Roman Empire… but Sefton thinks he knows what has caused our Republic’s demise

(yes, he believes we are done – excerpt FTA:

” … The whole thing would be laughable in the extreme were this not the United States of America. But, let’s face facts. The United States of America as it was founded and as we had deluded ourselves into believing it to be is dead. After being slowly poisoned for at least half a century, it was smothered with a pillow on January 6th, 2021, the very day the murderers claim that they were the victim.” )

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Here’s the link


To my way of thinking, the United States of America as founded resides in the hearts, minds, and spirits of (many of) its people. It will never die. As long as I am alive, so is the USA. And there are millions of us.

Valerie Curren

Hearty Amen!!!

Traitors in usurped “leadership” positions betray the Constitution, founding principles, & their own fake savior complexes (create situations to then “fix). Let’s hope that null & void (forgot the terminology) aspect of the Constitution is (eventually) applied by the White Hats (if any of them actually exist & are willing to do something)…

Gail Combs

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If you want to know what comes next ask the German Jews…
OH WAIT you can’t because they were tortured to death.

But Hey, Just keep voting Democrat and You too can learn by experience instead via history.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

And remember – defending and disempowering the police was the first thing the Nazis did when they could.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy




And, according to Market Watch, the Dow Jones just went below 29,000.
One year ago, the Dow Jones was at 36,952.
Nice job, Brandon.

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It has begun on the Street. Full blown recession, which will lead to full blown depression – coming intentionally from WEF for the remaining sheeple who do what they say. Hope it is he last one.

My personal economic take. Don’t do what they say to do. Investments – hold stock with quality companies that survive bad downturns with necessary products consumers need, especially dividend payers. Even the globalists do that. They have already moved out of the sectors and companies they feel or intend to tank to prepare to buy back in later on the cheap.

Gates, BlackRock, Vanguard acolytes, etc. will how buy the depressed price properties and foreclosures as fast and they can because cash, stocks and bonds will become far less valuable very quickly. They gain more control of that sector and price average their holdings from buying at inflated prices recently to gain market control, to buying at bottom feeder prices soon. That means they plan to run up the prices big time with inflation after the downturn is over, which also means skyrocketing rents received from the then, much larger rental tenant market who will no longer own their own dirt.

If you have excess liquidity, it is time to prepare to make your fortune in real estate. Buy low, sell high, never fall in love with your real estate investment.

As for average Americans. Be smart – have liquidity to pay your necessary expenses including property taxes and insurance. Don’t expect to receive normal services from local governments as tax revenues fall, expect tax hikes instead with less services. Remember depopulation is well underway. Reduce household operating expenses, unnecessary travel, unnecessary toys and activities, etc. Read more, use pricey streaming services less. Do it now. Even if devolution is correct, it will take awhile to turn the economic and societal ship around. As Dr, Malone says, if you have a patch of ground, time for some victory gardens and such.

My PSA for the day.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy



hold stock with quality companies that survive bad downturns with necessary products consumers need, especially dividend payers

Someone I know who is a financial adviser says that what drives the stock market are wars, geopolitical events, and what corporations do and how well they do it. He said the midterm elections are not a major factor. What is important about corporations is that some of them provide everyday necessities and staples — toothpaste, toilet paper, etc. — that people will always need. Those companies are not going to go out of business.

The point he was making was not necessarily to invest in those companies; that’s a decision for each person to make. He was saying that we will not have another crash like that of 1929 because the market is so dependent on corporations.


Uh… under 30k


Thank you so much! My mixup.


This maybe more important than we know. What we do know, is this collapse has been brought about by Biden polices with both the New Green Deal and Ukraine for the big two. Both of these things the Bidenese can alter but so far we are seeing no attempts at real fixes. Emptying the Strategic Petroleum Reserves is not a fix, (if anything it’s going to work against us and they don’t care). Going to Saudi’s to get them to pump more is not a real fix either and likely both of these things are just political theatre for the unwashed low info voter type.

Now both these things are contributing strongly to the Market Collapse. The Bidense cannot possibly see this as a good thing with elections looming right around the corner. Therefore they seem okay with the Market Collapsing even though it pushes winning elections farther away from their reach. So why are they doing it? What’s to be gained for them? Seems like we are in another one of those Create the Crisis, Declare it, then create a Solution that would never have been palatable before with out the Crisis.

Gail Combs

Declare Martial Law and SUSPEND ELECTIONS?


If they want war, they can try that.

Gail Combs

They DO want war!

REMEMBER there is an agreement that CANADIAN TROOPS CAN BE USED IN THE USA IN TIME OF CRISIS among many other preparations.

Canada-U.S. pact allows cross-border military activity
February 24, 2008 [Under Bush]

Canada and the U.S. have signed an agreement that paves the way for the militaries from either nation to send troops across each other’s borders during an emergency, but some are questioning why the Harper government has kept silent on the deal….

From my old notes so the URLs maybe dead.

 Some practice runs are classified by DoD; few details are being released 15 Nov 2008 Personnel from around the globe will converge at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base from Dec. 1 to Dec. 12 for the largest rescue exercise of its kind. The effort, dubbed Angel Thunder 08, will involve the U.S. Army and Air Force, troops from Germany, Chile, Colombia and observers from Canada, Mexico, Brazil and Pakistan. Several non-military U.S. agencies such as the State and Justice departments, the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency and the National Reconnaissance Office, also will take part in the drills, which aim to smooth interaction between military branches, allied nations and civilian agencies.

Singapore military aiming for Idaho air space as well

This week and into next, NorthCom and NORAD are conducting a joint exercise called “Vigilant Shield ’09.” The focus will be on “homeland defense and civil support,” a NorthCom press release states.

From November 12-18, it will be testing a “synchronized response of federal, state, local and international partners in preparation for homeland defense, homeland security, and civil support missions in the United States and abroad.”

NorthCom is short for the Pentagon’s Northern Command. President Bush created it in October 2002. (The Southern Command, or SouthCom, covers Latin America. Central Command, or CentCom, covers Iraq and Afghanistan. And the new AfriCom covers, well, you get the picture.)

Vigilant Shield ’09 “will include scenarios to achieve exercise objectives within the maritime, aerospace, ballistic missile defense, cyber, consequence management, strategic communications, and counter terrorism domains,” the press release states.

NorthCom’s press release also says that other participants in the exercise include the U.S. Strategic Command’s “Global Lightning 09,” which is a plan to use nuclear weapons in a surprise attack.

The Pentagon’s “Bulwark Defender 09” is also involved in the exercise, and it is a cyberspace protection outfit of the Pentagon.

Something called the “Canada Command DETERMINED DRAGON” also is participating, as is the California National Guard and California’s “Golden Guardian.”

California’s involvement appears to center around planning for a catastrophic earthquake.

Legislation currently working it’s way through Congress mandates the establishment of “national emergency centers” to be located on military installations.

The purpose of such facilities is to provide “temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance to individuals and families dislocated due to an emergency or major disaster,” the expansion of which under FEMA is codified under HR 645, otherwise known as the National Emergency Centers Act.

The Militarization of the Police Has Produced a Murder Machine

1.6 Billion Rounds of Ammo for Homeland Security, It’s Time for a National Conversation

Military Drills and Black Helicopters in U.S. Cities Spark Panic

February 2013 …Before simulating “urban warfare” in Texas, the military was also conducting similar drills in Miami, Florida. Multiple videos have emerged online, some from news agencies, of U.S. military Black Hawk helicopters swarming around downtown last week — similar to late-night drills conducted in the city in 2011 without warning that left thousands of residents terrified…..

“This is routine training conducted by military personnel designed to ensure the military’s ability to operate in urban environments, prepare forces for upcoming overseas deployments, and meet mandatory training certification requirement,” local police claimed in the statement cited in news reports….

Mark Stoval shows an image of the graphic by Zoey DeGarmo that has all the information about US Militarization of the Police in one place. It sends a powerful message:

…that is a very professionally done piece of artwork. It communicates the problem very well in my opinion. <b>The only problem I have is that this only scratches the surface. That the local police and its SWAT goon squads have become more and more militarized is very true, but it is also true that many federal agencies have also beefed up their “enforcement” capabilities. It is almost as if the central government is preparing for a civil war.….

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Please forgive my lack of acknowledgement of the effort you put in to doing these openers, DePat. Much appreciated and on point for the world in which we live.


Amen and Amen.


China’s SMO declaration, announced by China’s leader yesterday

(Rumor has it … there are US Biolabs in Tiawan…)

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Thanks. Very interesting.

This is classic pretext, and it will NOT play out like Ukraine. There are a lot of (temporarily) free people In Taiwan, too. Riddled with commie traitors, but yes. FREE PEOPLE. The subjugation of a free people under the pretense, pretext, or reality (take your pick) of getting rid of cabal bioweapons labs is a FARCE.

And remember – CHINA has helped those bioweapons along at EVERY step of the way. Including the research, the manufacture, the release, and the weaponization of WHO and CDC/FDA against American.

The CYNICISM of what Chinese communists are doing here is off the scale.

The invasion of Taiwan by communists because OUR COMMUNISTS possibly put bioweapons there is a CRIME based on a PRETEXT.

There comes a point where one has to call a spade a spade. War is war. Calling it a “special military operation” (we do this, too, of course, bear in mind – remembering Grenada) is PROPAGANDA.

Russia is justified in its WAR in Ukraine, because of NATO idiocy, JAZI treachery, and NAZI murder. But all that said, when people shoot bullets at people it’s WAR. Even when people selectively shoot people and obey rules like not killing civilians or allies (which used to be a rule of WAR – not a rule of special military operations only).

I’m very happy that you’re bringing this information – please don’t confuse my distaste for the propaganda itself as criticism of you, your viewpoint, or even the parties involved. I simply have to call a spade a spade on the information itself!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

In fact, what it looks like to me now, is that Hunter Biden and Joe Biden fell for a CLASSIC SET-UP on both Ukraine and Taiwan, helping create the scenarios needed for justification and winnability of regional wars.

They were USEFUL IDIOTS to our “adversaries”/”partners”/”whatever”.

This is why TRAITORS are so destructive.


I don’t confuse … your use of the word “propaganda’ threw me previously, as so many Americans still see Russia as USSR … (which is why the hil de beast could so easily get away with selling Uranium to Russia and then turn around and smear Trump with ‘colluding with Russia …)

Never forget … I ‘bring’ stuff for others to comment on… esp these days when I have fewer neurons synapsing 😉 You must always call it as you see it.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Most people simply don’t get this stuff, so it has been a slow filter for the Western World to wake up to the idea that the Ukrainians and NATO are not the peachy clean good guys that they thought – nor the deep involvement of the NWO, cabal, Jazis, and Nazis in setting up this whole thing.

What do they get? Pure Ukrainian, Democrat, and cabal propaganda.




Good discussion guys of which I obviously 100% agree. The challenge now is to predict the following BRICS excursions into sovereign nations under the same narrative as they continue to build their world domination and reconfiguration following WEF’s wealth raping of common folks. The silent BIS and secondary nation states benefit from the exploits of RC as well.

Has anybody thoughtfully considered that WEF may be the “pretend” enemy of BRICS? What if they are acting in concert in implementing a long anticipated plan? For example, why would R (along with countless others) allow Soros to breath air if he is indeed their arch enemy? They have never been shy about taking out an adversary as desired.

What if the wild card holding off the advancement of Satan’s plan really was the American experiment with God fearing patriot Constitutionalists who gave their all? Sure makes the content in the back of The Book a more important read for many folks who may be unaware in light of the events of the day.

Right, Smiley?  😉 


From IntelSlava

From Pushilin’s statements at SPIEF 2022.

1. A referendum on the entry of the DPR into Russia will be held in the republic after the end of the NWO. The republic plans to become part of the Russian Federation as a separate subject of the federation.

2. Due to the supply of Western weapons to Ukraine, the DPR army will not stop at the borders of the republic. However, the troops of the DPR are already involved in the Zaporozhye direction.

3. There are no grounds for pardoning foreign mercenaries convicted in the DPR. There are no negotiations on their exchange. The deadline for appealing the death penalty is early July.

4. Ukrainian prisoners of war who did not take part in hostilities will not be released. Their fate will be decided after the completion of the NWO. Quite logical, given the mobilization in Ukraine.

5. All Russian cities must be liberated, including Odessa. Zelensky should be brought before an international tribunal.

6. The hope was expressed for the completion of the NWO by the end of 2022. There are serious doubts that the war will end in 2022.

7. It is still impossible to calculate the total amount of damage to the DPR from the actions of Ukraine. More than 1,500 houses need to be repaired in Mariupol alone.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Should “NWO” be “SMO”? Or does NWO have a second meaning here?


I havent a clue … waiting for an explanation myself … I posted a comment from IntelSlava about Russia’s DUMA having to approve present Russian present SMO moving to different phase – don’t recall but don’t think they called it a ‘NWO’ …

Perhaps it’s conditioned to do so… but when I see ‘NWO’ … my ol’ brain says “NEW WORLD ORDER” 😉

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

EXACTLY! I’m, like, WTF!!!




I took this bit from an Intel Slava post…

“The hope was expressed for the completion of the NWO by the end of 2022. There are serious doubts that the war will end in 2022.”

And put it through the yandex translater to turn it into Russian, then turned it back into english and NWO (which btw was CBO in Russian) turned into, its, which didn’t make sense in the sentence. Turned it back into Russian then back into english once more and it came out as…

“It was hoped that it would be completed by the end of 2022. There are serious doubts that the war will end in 2022.”

The NWO thing made me wonder when I read it earlier on,they use so many abbreviations it confuses me, but it could be something in the translation, am guessing the poster is Russian.


That makes perfect sense! Thanks RAC

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

If the Russians are going for Odessa, then that means they’re going to landlock Ukraine, so that the Western Ukrainians don’t have any more resupply by sea, and thus depend on land transport through Russia or Europe.

EVERYBODY on the Western side should have negotiated WAY earlier. But BIDEN and the Jazi cabal in Europe and Ukraine have proven to be the perfect useful idiots for Russia, giving them everything they wanted.

This entire land exchange was predicted back in 2014-2016. Back then, Russia had no cause – NOW they have plenty – not despite NATO, but BECAUSE NATO.


Agree …


As was once advertised, “You can pay me now or you can pay me later.” The former was far less expensive than the later will be. But the losers are losers for good reasons.


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My handgun purchase permit just came through. Supplements. 👍🏻

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Amen. Full due process or CIVIL WAR.


Well, what I think we should do is Cloward-Piven the system if they pass some shit like this.

Every liberal we can think of, we report. We should each do ten to fifty a day each. For as long as it takes to collapse their system.

They wanna write the rules, lets play by them.


I don’t ever want to be on your bad side.


Lol! Nobody does.

I have always said I am the most open-hearted, sunny dispositioned person you will ever meet, but you don’t want to piss me off.

I’ve also said the last thing the bad guys want to do is make me a subversive. I don’t ever want to, but I have the ability to come up with some pretty good ideas for how to break things.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Actually crazy people with guns is a target-rich environment on the left!!!


Like shooting fish in a barrel.


an image (I HATE T’gram) … I can’t bring

It explains The Reverse Repo Program (RRP)

One of the many ways the Khazarian Fed Reserve is/always has … screwed us

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Thank you for this – this is a beautiful explanation of how they screw us.

Heads should ROLL for this crap.



thanks Wolfie


He’s writing like all this bio lab information has been accepted by the public. That hasn’t happened yet, it’s still a work in progress. It took a good while for Trump to get up to speed on Wuhan and when he did, his DNI could still not produce the goods and it took at a minimum another 6 months or more after the election before the public at large caught on, while still many of them are still clueless or waiting for an official statement by the Biden Administration or Fauci before they accept such.

Meanwhile accepting that there are/were Biolabs in Ukraine and certainly these new revelations about other countries are still very new news and the largest crowd that accepts these things as fact are die hard news hounds and Ultra MAGA types, the kind that were partial to the number 17.

Trump is not likely to campaign on this kind of information at this time till it gets more mainstream. If anyone wants to know what Trump really thinks about it, they can watch Trump Jr. or Rudi or some others close to the president. Clandestine is being way out ahead of the curve here with his expectations and is saying such likely because it’s a DeSantis thing to get him on the ticket (who doesn’t utter this stuff either), or he’s being naïve.


Nice work in that summary.

And people wonder why investment houses are well known for never caring if it is a bull or bear market; if it is a recession, depression or good times; etc. Doesn’t matter as long as they do what they do and are not allowed to venture into other industries.

The later of which was encouraged and permitted by the politicians and was a major cause of the debt market collapse of 2008. So they covered each others’ azzes by quantitative easing and media promoted giveaway programs to average Joes that rarely gave anything away. Don’t look here, look there.

All part of the con.


You might want to throw in “The Borg” that black box that spews forth lies and an alternate reality daily … with the psychiatric Meds

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

BOOM. Without even reading this, I’ve been saying it for years. When FPS games started, I read a great piece from a military psychologist involved in training new troops to kill. He cautioned strongly on the dangers of the games. He said these games are psych tools to program troops – and are in fact very similar to the ones actually used.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Trump’s comment about changing to a culture of LIFE is very profound, and sounds more so every day. The DEATH CULTURE fed by the left is destroying us.

Sadie Slays

FBI grooming leads to mass shootings.


Contact with the FIB leads to mass shootings, that’s for sure.

It’s practically the one thing they ALL have in common.

Are there many (or any) mass shootings in the last 20 years where the shooter was
not known to or in contact with the FIB?


I had with it last time it was on, it did show up eventually, and I think the CET means central european time, whatever that is.
12-2pm EST
6-8pm CET

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I had problems with it…..

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Central European time is the timezone of Germany, France and Italy (one hour ahead of the UK, 8 hours ahead of me, 6 hours ahead of our eastern time zone).

And Oh By The Way, “EST” should probably be “EDT” as we are on Daylight Saving time, not Standard time. (Their bad, not yours!) Unless they really do mean standard time in which case it will be an hour later on easterners’ watches.


Another reason to ditch the ‘spring forward fall back’ nonsense.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA



A small excerpt here but seems the BBC did not have the time to at least subtitle it. Lavrov at its best, he says that Johnson and Truss want to put Russia on her knees, so like Nike, just do it is his answer )))

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

A great interview. That BBC attack dog got his paws slapped! Lavrov knows how to handle the Western presstitutes.

Russia is not benefitting from forcing nomenclature on “special military operation” – it looks “small” to punish people saying “invasion”. It gave BBC an easy “fact check” deflection point. Arguing nicely every time people say “invasion” provides a great pulpit without looking like a bully.

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Well stated, but grim.

bflyjesusgrl 🍊 😎NUCLEAR MAGA😎

GOOD. Keep disagreeing, accomplish nothing, go on July 4 break.

Republican John Cornyn says Democrats have ‘run out of rope’ on bill in response to shootings | Daily Mail Online

‘The two issues are, really, what the Democrats like to call the boyfriend loophole, which would cover non-traditional relationships, perhaps long-standing, you know, intimate or romantic relationships that would be subject to the bar of being able to purchase a firearm if you’re convicted of a domestic violence misdemeanor,’ he said.

‘The second has to do with the distribution of the funds for crisis intervention. Of course, the whole red flag issue has gotten a lot of attention, but there’s a lot of things being done in a number of other states, mental health courts, veterans courts, outpatient assistant treatment for people with mental health challenges to try to help them manage those.’


I saw a headline yesterday that Cornyn was getting cold feet. I suspect he heard from constituents and is just straddling the fence, like RINOs always do, to try to appease both sides. He could have come out against the legislation, but hasn’t done so. But yes, it needs to die.


Cornyn is a tag team RHINO. His often used trick is vote something his party does not want out of committee, then tags other RHINO’s to vote for it as he slips out of the ring and back into the shadows. Same thing with this gun legislation, barks for change and when enough of these sell outs show up his job is done and it’s back to the shadows.


Folks would do well to thoughtfully consider Karl’s substance and ignore his style.

Gail Combs

I posted this before but it needs to be posted again.

Oh!Bummer wanted to  Decrease CO2 by 80%  

Obama Doubles Down On Global Warming Pledge — 80% Decarbonization

The White House has released a lengthy 111-page report detailing it’s plan to cut greenhouse gas emissions 80 percent by 2050, doubling down on President Barack Obama’s global warming pledge to the United Nations. 

The report comes as Obama prepares to hand over the reins of power to President-elect Donald Trump, a Republican who’s promised to roll back federal global warming regulations, which are major parts of Obama’s legacy.

Trump also promised to “cancel” the UN Paris climate agreement, effectively nullifying Obama’s international global warming efforts.

“The United States [mid-century strategy] charts a path that is achievable, consistent with the long-term goals of the Paris Agreement, and an acceleration of existing market trends,” reads the White House report, released Wednesday…

 I did a quicky calculation and with out carbon based energy or nuclear power to take its place, you are looking at not the 1800s but the seventeen hundreds!

People forget that coal was very much in use in the 1800s and a lot of farm machinery pulled by horse, mule or oxen was factory made. (First Agricultural Revolution) Without coal you are back to charcoal as fuel for forges and metal implements will be very very rare. Solar panels and modern wind turbines can not be replaced using the power they generate so you are back to hydro (If the eco-nuts allow dam building) and old fashion cloth and wood wind mills. And those wind mills would soon be raided for the wood to burn.

Worse the western high tech people of today do not have the foggiest idea of how to survive without factory made equipment. Even the Amish buy factory equipment and they are the most well adapted to an 1800s lifestyle.

I posted my calculations on an article by David Appell and his head exploded. He tried to refute what I said but kept tripping over his tongue.

This is what I posted back in 2011 (with the usual mangling of the URLs)
I am going to comment on that.

We get all types of “Soothing” crap from the propaganda machines and economic model projections about how it really is going to be “painless” [NOW we are BEGINnING TO SEE just how painful it is actually going to be.)

So Let us look at what real facts tell us.

The average for the USA is 335.9 million BTUs per person. (Total population: 246,081,000)
(wwwDOT) or (wwwDOT)

In 1949, U.S. energy use per person stood at 215 million Btu. epb(DOT)

The U.S. in 1800 had a per-capita energy consumption of about 90 million Btu. (Total population: 5,308,483) (wwwDOT)

If the USA reduces its energy consumption by 80% it equals 45.18 million Btu. per person, given the increase in technology and hydro power, lets use the 1800 consumption level of about 90 million Btu. per person or TWICE what obama is targeting.

What does that mean?
The site inventors(DOT) helps us figure that out.

Farmers made up about 90% of labor force in 1790 and 69% of labor force in 1800. (2.6% in 1990)

About 250-300 labor-hours required to produce 100 bushels (5 acres) of wheat with walking plow, brush harrow, hand broadcast of seed, sickle, and flail in 1830. (This is all by hand not animal power BTW) (1987 – 2-3/4 labor-hours required to produce 100 bushels but that takes lots of oil.)

1810-30 saw the transfer of “manufacturing” from the farm and home to the shop and factory. It wasn’t until the 1840′s that we saw factory made farm machinery, labor saving devices and chemical fertilizers became at all common. It was in the 1860′s that kerosene lamps became popular.

Also up until the 1850′s dung and wood were the major source of energy. dieoff(DOT)org/page199_files/image002.gif
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In other words for the USA to use HALF the energy per person that was used in 1800 we must abandon ALL factories and 90% of the population must return to subsistence farming using animals if enough farm machinery can be produced.

Remember in 1800 there was only 2% of the current population in the USA. Solar and Wind just are not going to produce enough power to keep us in anything but a few lights, a few wells and if we are lucky a refrigerator for the entire town. FACTORIES use a huge amount of power and that is why cotton mills and other primitive factories were built on rivers. [NOW do you understand why they want to kill off 13 out of 14 people?]

Anyone who tries to tell you differently is talking baffle gab because at present less than 9% of the US labor force is in manufacturing. The USA got rid of most of its really energy intense industry like smelting the ores to make machines. The USA shipped its factories to China and I mean that literally because I knew a guy whose business was packing up and shipping factories in New England to Israel.

“Cut CO2 emissions by 80% by 2050???

What do they plan to do wipe out 75% of the population to do it?
[We now have the answer to THAT rhetorical question]

What no one ever mentions is civilization is built on energy.

For most of history that energy was from slaves and animals. Only with the advent of machinery did abolishing slavery actually become a viable economic alternative. Get rid of dependable energy and the labor saving machines it powers and you have to substitute human and animal energy. Unfortunately this means a sharp reduction in food production, population and miserable living conditions for all but the select few.

It only takes a day trying to clear brush from land with loppers and a buck saw to really appreciate a tractor or bulldozer and the harsh reality of what labor saving devices really are all about.

Here is one (greenie) paper on energy use (It under estimates the pre-industrial ag era energy use drastically) (wwwDOT)

The above paper has Advanced Agricultural Man as 26,000 Kcal per capita (1850’s) and the technological man of 1970 in the U.S. consuming approximately 230,000 Kcal of energy per day. ~ 8.8 times as much energy consumed) Other sources have the per capita use for the USA as 333.8 million BTUs per person in 2006 before the economy crashed: (wwwDOT)

The U.S. in 1800 had a per-capita energy consumption of about 90 million Btu. (wwwDOT)

This is only 3.7 times as much energy consumed NOT 8.8 times If you are talking GREEN you can not use the much lower energy demand in the UK <i>”.. at about 26 million BTU per capita in 1800, and again most of this would have been for heating and cooking. [because] The energy was largely from <b>coal</b>…”</i>

This <b><i>”Advanced Agricultural Man”</i></b> of the greenies is when people were using 250-300 labor-hours to produce 100 bushels of wheat from 5 acres of land with walking plow, brush harrow, hand broadcast of seed, and a sickle, and flail for harvesting by hand. It was not until the 1830’s that you had the reaper, threshing machine, and iron faced interchangable plow invented and the 1940s was when they were manufactured in factories. Once you have factories that energy consumption is going to increase. The change from hand power to horse power (the first American agricultural revolution) was not until the 1860s when methods of attaching animals to farm machinery was developed.

For comparison in 1987 it only took 3 labor-hours to produce 100 bushels of wheat from 3 acres of land (Ain’t CO2 fertilization great) with tractors, 35-foot sweep disk, 30-foot drill, and a 25-foot self-propelled combine. By 1970 one American farmer was supplying over 75 people with food.

Here is a question for your deluded liberal friends:

What are the forms of energy used by humans over history?
#1. Human muscle power aka slaves
#2. Water power
#4. Fossil Fuels
#5. Nuclear.

They will of course answer Wind and Solar.

Ask them HOW will the metals and rare earths get mined and refined and then manufactured into wind turbines and solar panels?

Without fossil fuels and/or nuclear you COULD go back to animal and wind mills and water mills. That puts you back to the 1700s BEFORE the use of iron machinery in farming.

The Green New Deal = 90% or more of the population doing Subsistence FARMING.
NO metal machinery only wood
No fertilizers except for feces of various origins
No herbicides or pesticides lowering the yield per acre.

Worse the western high tech people of today do not have the foggiest idea of how to survive without factory made equipment. Even the Amish buy factory equipment and they are the most well adapted to an 1800s lifestyle.



…In 1701 coal was found by Huguenot settlers in the James River region, Virginia.

In 1705 Tomas Newcomen developed the first steady-running atmospheric engine, the beam engine. This engine could draw water from a depth of >150 feet, and the first commercial example from 1711 replaced a team of 500 horses.

The first recorded coal production in the US was in 1748, with 50 tons dug in Virginia.

The first shipment was in 1758.

Between 1767 and 1776 James Watt, a Scot, developed the separate condensing engine, improving Newcomen’s design – the Industrial revolution, transforming the world through the conversion of coal to mechanical energy truly began. (aka James Watt freeing the slaves )

In 1780 the annual output of coal from Britain was ~6 ¼ million long tons.

Coal was discovered in Australia at Coal River (Hunter River) in 1795. A convict settlement was established in 1804 to mine the region – today the settlement, now called Newcastle, New South Wales, is the largest coal port in the world.

The technological advances of the Industrial Revolution initially depended upon the availability of coal as fuel, feeding the improving technologies.

By the end of the 18th century, surface and near surface deposits of coal had been exhausted and deep shaft mining began to develop. Ventilation techniques, including fans driven by steam engines were also developed.

In 1814 coal was being burned to heat salt brines to create salt in Pennsylvania.

In 1815, at the height of the Napoleonic war the annual output of coal from Britain was 16 million long tons.

In the same year, both the Davy lamp & the Geordie lamp were invented in an attempt to reduce the danger of methane explosions or asphyxiant gas such as carbon dioxide. Miners were generally expected to purchase this (regrettably unreliable) equipment themselves.

In 1816 Baltimore, Maryland began to light its streets with combustible gas made from coal.

In 1830 the annual output of coal from Britain was over 30 million tons. Board and pillar extraction techniques were being used. Miners, unable to be replaced or driven to industrial efficiencies similar to that of wool or cotton mill workers began to form trade unions, campaigning for better wages and conditions.

Also in 1830, Tom Thumb, the first American built steam locomotive was manufactured, the first of many locomotives that marked a surge in American coal consumption….

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

If OBlowHole wants to cut CO2, he can start by putting his own head in a plastic bag the next time he has the urge to bloviate.

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Cuppa Covfefe

Brilliant post, Gail.
You bring to light things which we suspect, or experience, whether directly or indirectly, and put facts, history, numbers, logic, and links to it.
Ammo to fight and defeat the idiocy known as wokeism and the (failed) American Educashinal System, aka unCommon (rotten-to-the)Core…
If only the totally unfounded premise that CO² has any causative effect on temperatures (or, indeed, that temperatures are rising except as an outgrowth of coming out of the little ice ages).
But as someone ages ago on WUWT noted, quoting Upton Sinclair,

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

(rather perceptive for a flaming commie)….

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. CO2 is not about CO2. It’s an excuse to destroy energy to reduce the population.