Dear KAG: 20240612 Open Thread

Cover image: Wrangell–St. Elias National Park and Preserve, Alaska

Badlands News Brief – June 11, 2024

Tucker’s take on Watergate.

This is me waiting for the official narratives to be upended.

Top economist predicts ‘crash of a lifetime’ worse than 2008 recession

The Foundation of American Folly

Please don’t confuse the big foundations that are funding all the nefarious activity around the world with the companies that bear the same name. Frankly, most of the foundations that came out of gilded age money have been sunsetted as the founders’ actual wishes as to how the money would be spent would not be honored as time went on and they knew that. This one hasn’t been, and I find that curious.

Poll: Most Americans Say Transgenderism Is a Political Distraction

The people are indeed waking up.

Top Dem strategist James Carville says Biden should not have run for re-election

Hmm…. He hasn’t slithered back to the Bayou yet. Something’s up.

Combatting the ‘Long Count’

Good luck with that.

Unequal Application Of The Law In America Today Isn’t Hypocrisy, It’s Hierarchy

We Are Watching a Movie

Hunter’s Gun Charges Mean NOTHING


X Files….

In a hospital, huh? Keep an eye out for when she is released.

Memes & Stuff

Have a good day y’all.

(I don’t remember who brought this to a daily in the comments, but thanks.)

And, of course, the obligatory George Carlin:

Per the Boss:

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1 KINGS 18:20-39

20So Ahab sent to all the people of Israel, and gathered the prophets together at Mount Carmel. 21And Eli’jah came near to all the people, and said, “How long will you go limping with two different opinions? If the LORD is God, follow him; but if Ba’al, then follow him.” And the people did not answer him a word. 22Then Eli’jah said to the people, “I, even I only, am left a prophet of the LORD; but Ba’al’s prophets are four hundred and fifty men. 23Let two bulls be given to us; and let them choose one bull for themselves, and cut it in pieces and lay it on the wood, but put no fire to it; and I will prepare the other bull and lay it on the wood, and put no fire to it. 24And you call on the name of your god and I will call on the name of the LORD; and the God who answers by fire, he is God.” And all the people answered, “It is well spoken.” 25Then Eli’jah said to the prophets of Ba’al, “Choose for yourselves one bull and prepare it first, for you are many; and call on the name of your god, but put no fire to it.” 26And they took the bull which was given them, and they prepared it, and called on the name of Ba’al from morning until noon, saying, “O Ba’al, answer us!” But there was no voice, and no one answered. And they limped about the altar which they had made. 27And at noon Eli’jah mocked them, saying, “Cry aloud, for he is a god; either he is musing, or he has gone aside, or he is on a journey, or perhaps he is asleep and must be awakened.” 28And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their custom with swords and lances, until the blood gushed out upon them. 29And as midday passed, they raved on until the time of the offering of the oblation, but there was no voice; no one answered, no one heeded. 30Then Eli’jah said to all the people, “Come near to me”; and all the people came near to him. And he repaired the altar of the LORD that had been thrown down; 31Eli’jah took twelve stones, according to the number of the tribes of the sons of Jacob, to whom the word of the LORD came, saying, “Israel shall be your name”; 32and with the stones he built an altar in the name of the LORD. And he made a trench about the altar, as great as would contain two measures of seed. 33And he put the wood in order, and cut the bull in pieces and laid it on the wood. And he said, “Fill four jars with water, and pour it on the burnt offering, and on the wood.” 34And he said, “Do it a second time”; and they did it a second time. And he said, “Do it a third time”; and they did it a third time. 35And the water ran round about the altar, and filled the trench also with water. 36And at the time of the offering of the oblation, Eli’jah the prophet came near and said, “O LORD, God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, let it be known this day that thou art God in Israel, and that I am thy servant, and that I have done all these things at thy word. 37Answer me, O LORD, answer me, that this people may know that thou, O LORD, art God, and that thou hast turned their hearts back.” 38Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt offering, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench. 39And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces; and they said, “The LORD, he is God; the LORD, he is God.”

MATTHEW 5:17-19

17“Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. 18For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. 19Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

As always, prayers for the fight against that which seeks to enslave us are welcome.

Please include: President Donald Trump, the Q team, our soldiers in the field, special forces, tactical units, first responders and those working behind the scenes…and any and all people with family members in the hospital, COVID or not.

And…members of the QTree who no longer participate for one reason or another.

It is quite clear, as per Wolf’s message from July, that we are under spiritual attack. Building up a robust arsenal of prayer and discipline is a must in fighting the enemy and his minions.

In that spirit, the Prayer to St. Michael the Archangel from Tuesday’s threads, and the Breastplate of St. Patrick, not to mention the Litany of Humility are favorites recommended by exorcists in spiritual warfare.


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Thank you, De Pat, for a wondrous Wednesday scripture and post.


Oh, and —


Camel Day lives on. As it should.   :wpds_wink: 


I tried.

EDIT – Wolf will try, too!


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Valerie Curren

Maybe it will show by running it through gab 🙂

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“Camels in the Mist” or “Jurassic Camels”.

Thanks, Valerie, for showing it on the blog. I’d been wondering.

Valerie Curren

YW…it just opened for me in a new tab so a c/p to gab & then c/p the image address from there back to the Q-Tree which Usually seems to do the trick…at least that’s how it’s worked for me for a while now. 🙂


Thanks! I tried it a couple of different ways to no avail.

Valerie Curren

YW 🙂


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Perfectly done.


Both quite talented. 😄

Gail Combs

I turned on the Camel — stationary traveler and scrolled down to the gif of the camel dancing — They match. 😂


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Lol! The “Hammer and Banana!”

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

D = T + (


BREAKING – YOUR REACTION: In major blow to @SpeakerMcCarthy who worked tirelessly to defeat her, Nancy Mace (@NancyMace) has just now won South Carolina 1st congressional district primary over Kevin McCarthy-backed challenger

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy



Speaker McCarthy Kevin it is.

Just another dirtbag owns a home in Bakersfield, CA. Resides in the swamp.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Good riddance!

I used to have major side-eye on Nancy Mace, but she has a certain smart and honest independence that I like, and which in many ways mirrors Trump. The left also attacks her relentlessly, even from within her own staff, through infiltrators, and to me that tells me she’s doing something they find threatening.



Don’t know what to make of her.


Start with the fact that she ain’t butt ugly. So there’s that.  😂 

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Looks weapons-grade to me!


The “Bakersfield Sound” in Country Music is typified by Buck Owens and the Buckaroos.


Bakersfield, like many cities in CA, was once a nice place to visit, pass through.

Now it’s simply a place to transition between US58 and US99. Not Stop.


This is a perfect example for what is beginning to happen nationwide.

Since we spend a month and sometimes more in that state each year, I have followed this a bit in the news. The press has been in full on attack mode against her for over a year. Roll out fake crap about her often. So she is a threat. The good news is the majority of people in SC know that and are vigilant about their election system. When Clyburn kicks the bucket, the Dems corrupt system will fall apart at an accelerated pace.

The controlled fake media are like that dead tree that falls in the woods. Nobody is there to hear it, much less care other than to use for firewood. They have lost several generations of influence – thankfully.

Gail Combs

  :wpds_cool:  Love it. McCarty is SLIME MOLD! DOG VOMIT SLIME MOLD!

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Interestingly there is a Wolf’s Milk Slime Mold!

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Scott Presler:

The next time you go out to eat or visit a bar, please tip 

& write on the receipt, 

“Elect Trump & you’ll keep 100% of your tips.” 

Take a picture & let’s grow the trend. 

Trump Won’t Tax Tips 

h/t @TruthWarriorFJB

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Spread the word!!!


Restaurants will just adopt a “no cash tip” policy. They’ll claim it’s for accounting purposes, and they will fire any waiter or waitress who accepts a cash tip.

That’s exactly how they play.

Put the weakest person with the most to lose in the position of greatest temptation and vulnerability, and then sit back and wait for well-meaning patrons to provide the temptation.

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If all tips are in cash and are unreported, then a certain amount is “assumed” to be paid to all servers and is reported on their W-2’s anyway.


I don’t care anymore.

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As a nation, we have taken some wrong turns — then acknowledged them and corrected course. Examples include a Constitutional Amendment for Prohibition (enacted with the Eighteenth Amendment, 1/16/1919; repealed with the Twenty-First Amendment, 12/5/1933); and a National Bank of the United States (killed by Andrew Jackson in 1833).

It is long past time that we should recognize that we erred in 1913 with the enactment of the Sixteenth Amendment, which established an income tax. It is a fundamental cornerstone to an overwhelming Federal Government, and the very concept of taxing income intimately involves the government in the private affairs of its citizenry. While its evils may have seemed tolerable in 1913, the rise of the current information society and computerization render it intolerable 111 years later.

Not surprisingly, the Seventeenth Amendment (between Prohibition and Income Tax), regarding the popular election of US Senators, is also suspect. Many of the arguments against its repeal, unfortunately, are the direct result of the widespread corruption that the Amendment has caused.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Multiple AMENS here.


Seventeenth repeal would just transfer the problem to corrupt [donkey party] legislatures. It would greatly increase the power of the shithead lobbyists we are currently forced to tolerate here in WA state. I doubt WA state is the only state with lobbyist issues.

Gail Combs

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22nd Amendment.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Good. It’s time to tell these FUCKERS that they’re FUCKERS.


Thugs IRS gonna thug.

Waiter(s) can report whatever they wish to.

My tips are ALWAYS cash AND handed directly to the waiter.

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This is true, it is just a much smaller than actual number. We have an immediate family member who is a server/bartender.


If you put the tip in their hands, the tip will be taken.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

That just means if it’s a BIG tip make it cash.


Find cash on the floor under your table.


When we travel is SC, there are restaurants there who will discount 5% if the check plus tip is paid in cash. Eliminates the the 3-5% discount rate paid on the credit/debit card transaction completely.

I pay all tips in cash now. The servers love it and remember us each time we return. Quality service is provided as a result. We then strike up conversations with them, learn things, witness Christ to them, build relationships, etc.


I have never, and will never, pay a tip in anything other than cash.

I have worked for $2 an hour plus tips. It sucks.

Gail Combs

I pay EVERYTHING in Cash. I am not about to let the Banksters create more fiat funny money.

  • DAMN. Look at that receipt. Four separate taxes.
  • ALWAYS tip cash. Skip IRS taxes and employer steeling percentage of tips.
  • YES. Write a note as suggested. Vote Trump. No tips on tips.



I’m a bit confused. Apparently in Tennessee they have a Little Black Dress tax.

Who gets these?


Random thoughts regarding the video about chemo not working:

• I know that big pharma is evil.
• I know that doctors have been paid to use certain treatments. This happened during COVID.
• I know that “slash and burn” has not been the most effective treatment.

• I also know that chemo has been refined to target particular types of cancer cells over the years, making it more effective.
• I know someone who had a hard-to-treat form of cancer who has been in remission for 16 years after their treatment with chemo that was targeted to that particular form of cancer. There is no doubt that they would have died without the treatment.

I’m not advocating for chemotherapy; I have no expertise in the field. I’m saying that I don’t know what to believe anymore. I’ve heard and seen a lot of people express this same thing since being awakened to medical fraud during COVID. On the one hand, so much good can be, and has been, done. On the other hand, there are ulterior motives in a lot of medical practice. And there are ulterior motives almost everywhere you look.

I’m not sure that chemo has a 97% failure rate (although it might). That would make my friend one of 3% that chemo worked on. What are we to do with that information—stop using chemo altogether? My friend would be dead in that case. What is the alternative, as we sit here today?

We absolutely need viable alternative treatments available to use in conjunction with, or instead of, current treatments. Medical freedom is crucial. But I’ve heard of, and have known, people who refused conventional treatments and tried the “diet cures” or something else “natural,” and their disease just progressed. A lot of those treatment have a very high fail rate as well.

So until we make progress in that area, what are cancer patients supposed to do, and whom can they believe? If I had a loved one with a type of cancer that chemotherapy is recommended for, it would be hard to think they should not take the chemo. I would also be doing a lot of research on fenbendazole, etc. 


Thanks for thinking.



Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I know of a lot of success with surgery and radiation, or surgery, radiation and chemo.


Sister a survivor with radiation and chemo. Dunno which, both or whatever worked. Nearly ten years.

Sadly, double jabbed and boosted. Hoping she stays healthy.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Amen. Praying she gets wise fast on the boosters!


Asked. Answered.

  • what are cancer patients supposed to do, and whom can they believe? 
  • I would also be doing a lot of research on fenbendazole, etc. 

Along those lines.

  :wpds_arrow:  Linda is a great example to consider emulating. My understanding.

  • Rational thought.
  • Research.
  • Diet.
  • Prolly mentioned some exercise.
  • FB group for support and ideas what works. Perhaps what does not work.
  • FenBen along with lots of vitamins and supplements.
  • Talk with quacks. Accept what makes sense. NOT everything or anything quack suggests.
  • Positive attitude.

If DW, I or someone I know comes down with cancer, Linda’s model is a great starting point.


I agree with you, all the way.


^^^ This.

We have a friend who is alive today due to proton therapy on her legs. She is in her 70s and still active. Began the treatments three years ago. They isolated the cancer and kept it from spreading. She is doing much better. It made sense for her condition.


Thank you, Kalbo, you’re very kind.

For my cancer, I was never offered chemo because I was told it didn’t work for my kind of breast cancer. I was fine with that because I would have refused it anyway. However, many people in my cancer group have found that our protocol plus chemo actually vastly improves how well the chemo works. So I wouldn’t throw it out of the equation for everyone. I do believe that almost everyone will do better if they add Fenben and Ivermectin to their protocol, whatever it is.


Great data points. Always appreciate the info you share.

Gail Combs

I am going to start off with the study that started the Fenbendazole protocol.

Unexpected Antitumorigenic Effect of Fenbendazole when Combined with Supplementary Vitamins

Case Study: Fenbendazole Enhancing Anti-Tumor Effect: A Case Series
Use the above SCIENTIFIC STUDIES to open the door!

I saved the comment from Linda:

The group is called the Fenbendazole – Cancer Support Group and is here:

The group is a private group, so he’ll have to answer a couple of questions to be allowed in, but no big deal. He has a family member with cancer, so they’ll admit him to the group. Once he’s in, he should read the featured posts and go to the Files section and download Protocol 2. That will explain the protocol the group is using. He’ll learn a lot from the posts in the featured section on how to use the protocol. He can also use the search function to find posts from people who have leukemia and to find success stories. There are many. There are many in the group who have had leukemia and have healed. I’ll keep them in my prayers.

Gail, I almost forgot. Ivermectin isn’t included on Protocol 2, but the group experts are highly recommending adding 24 mg a day of ivermectin to the protocol. I think the reason it isn’t on the published protocol is because for a long time Facebook was deleting any group that mentioned ivermectin. Things have loosened up now, though, so people are actively discussing it and recommending it.

MORE from my notes:

Fenbendazole was combined with vitamin supplements, it showed potent anti-tumor properties. The vitamins included in this particular study were E, B, D, K, and A. All of these vitamins are known for their antioxidant properties.

The statistics show that Vitamin E has powerful anti-metastatic and anti-tumor effects in animal studies. The main purpose of this vitamin is to suppress the tumor. Based on the same research, consuming plenty of vitamin B and dietary folate can be effective for reducing colorectal cancer in women.

The drug alone doesn’t have the same beneficial properties. In fact, it doesn’t even affect tumor growth. But, when combined with the vitamins, it is a completely different story. As a result, the combination of vitamins with Fenbendazole seems promising. Without these vitamins, the drug wouldn’t be that effective…

In April of 2019 I was deemed terminally ill with six months to live. Last ditch treatment was immunotherapy. I was given 3 half doses and it was determined that I became highly toxic from the treatment which caused pancolitis. Treatment was terminated. Now first week of August started taking Fenbendozol NO vitamins no CBD. Now second week of October 2019 MRI scans at Stanford shows my largest tumor in my left kidney was GONE! All other tumors shrinking considerably! Now January 2020 Stanford MRI scans show no evidence of disease!! (NED) all cancer gone! I’m still taking Fenbendozol 3 days on four days off consistently. No vitamins at all!!! STANFORD now producing Fenbendozol in there lab for human study ! I’m living proof of Fenbendozol treatment with no vitamins. It doesn’t mean they won’t help but they aren’t needed to kill cancer cells either. — JOE

(I disagree with Joe, I would use the vitamins. Better safe than sorry because you do not know what Joe was eating.)

Your husband should take 222mg fenbendazole 1 capsule daily after a fatty meal, bio-available 600mg curcumin 1 pill after breakfast and after lunch, CBD oil 1-2 drops (~25 mg) under tongue before bed. He should skip taking fenbendazole every now and again for a couple of days to give his liver a break. Consider combining fenbendazole

Ivermectin and Niclosamide are also antiparasitic drugs that are safe and that are killing cancer. go to the goverment website to read the published articles here….

Greg Phillips of True the Vote cured his lung cancer with Fenbendozole…


INSTRUCTIONSFenbendazole dosage: 222mg

Take fenbendazole daily for 6 days (Monday-Saturday), skip on the seventh day (Sunday), repeat weekly.

To improve the protocol, take 25 mg of CBD oil (a couple of drops) every night before sleep.

  • The protocol can be strengthened by taking 600 mg of curcumin twice a day with food.
  • You can support your liver’s health by taking 250 mg of milk thistle twice a day with food.
  • Regular check-ups (once every 1-3 months) ensure that you have the opportunity to assess the effectiveness of the therapy and your health.
  • Take liver tests to determine if you need a three to six week break from fenbendazole. You should monitor liver health (AST / ALT liver enzyme levels). If the tests are higher than 2-3 times the norm, discontinue therapy. Taking regular breaks, milk thistle, or silymarin can prevent this from ever happening.
  • It may take 1-4 months for the therapy to begin showing results in most circumstances.
  • The treatment can be combined with the majority of chemotherapeutic drugs, radiation, or surgery.
  • Follow the regimen even if the cancer has significantly regressed. Tumors tend to recur quickly if they are not treated. There is no reason to discontinue treatment if the protocol is successful.
  • Fenbendazole should not be given to children under the age of 2 years or pregnant women. If you still wish to take the treatment, consult your doctor.
  • Fenbendazole should be taken with or after a meal to improve absorption.
  • Mix the daily dosage with a modest portion of your usual food. It makes no real difference whether you mix it with regular or fatty meals.
  • Most people sprinkle fenbendazole powder on their sandwiches, yogurt, avocado toast, salads, and so on. Let the meal and fenbendazole mixture sit for a few minutes so that the fats on the food can absorb the food properly.
  • If you’re taking capsules, eat half your meal, then take the capsule, a fatty meal is best. and finish your meal.
  • take 800 I/U of vitamin E 


Hop that helps.


Great info, Gail, but I would disagree with that fenben dosage. 222 mg is the amount used to worm 10 pound dogs. We humans need a lot more than that to get good results. Our FB group protocol uses up to 2000 mg per day. I’ve been using 1500 mg per day for months with no ill effects. But liver support is really important. Milk thistle is great, but not for people who have a hormonal cancer, such as breast cancer, prostrate cancer, etc. For that group, you should take tudca. And whichever one you use needs to be taken 1/2 hour before a meal so that it actually supports your liver and doesn’t just help with digestion.

I think Joe Tippens story is great, but you have to remember that he was on immunotherapy at the same time he used his 222 mg of fenben. That’s what I was saying before, that people who combine fenben with whatever else their doctors are using will get better results. I think it’s the combo that cured him because he wasn’t taking nearly enough fenben.

Gail Combs

ThankQ, ThankQ, ThankQ!!!

I have been taking 222 mg and not getting much in the way of results. Now I know why!


Gail, are you taking it for cancer? I’ve been a little bit out of the loop for awhile and didn’t realize. If so, I’m sorry to hear that. Let me know if I can help in any way.

Yeah, you’ll need a lot more than 222. It’s best to work up to the higher dosages. I started at 222, then raised it another 222 every week until I settled at 1500. And be sure to take the milk thistle or tudca twice a day. Your liver numbers will rise otherwise. I’ve been checking my liver numbers every month or two to make sure I stay in the green. Let me know if you need a link where you can order your own tests online.

We also use serrapeptase in our protocol. It’s taken at least an hour before meals. What happens is that when your cancer tumors start breaking down, you get all that crud in your bloodstream and you get herxheimer symptoms. The Serrapeptase cleans it all out.

Gail Combs


We are using double vitamins + fendben (Safeguard) on a couple of my pony mares. Hubby just noticed Merck, no longer makes it in France but is now making it in CHINA 😱😫

Is it possible to find out what lab did the analysis of the Fenben that was being sold that had very little Fenbendazole in it?

We pay ~ $70/tube (worms 12 horses) so I would hate to find out we are wasting a lot of money!


This is the lab they used. I’m not sure what they charge, but don’t think it’s super expensive.

Gail Combs


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Why is this causing so much concern?

Even if they pass it, the peons will just repeal it with an initiative. If they’re really pissed off, it might be a state constitutional amendment initiative.

Plus it’s fed unconstitutional because it violates the 5th amendment [depriving property via eminent domain without due process] and the 8th amendment [excessive fines]. Toss in the 7th just for grins and giggles [jury trials].

Look, squirrel!!!


I don’t know why there’s so much concern for Latinos or Asians. Reparations for slavery would be a fraud on any living person who has not owned slaves themselves.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

This is the result of our terrible educational system.


Every person in that photo is older than me.

The shitbags making and implementing all of these policies went through the education system long before it was so warped as it is now.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

YES, it’s even worse now, but it was THAT WARPED even back then. The people who were true believers when communism infected schools are the ones causing all this.

I remember when they were young profs and TAs, and they were fucking the world up already back then.

The leftist kids now will be scary little Pol Pots when they gain power.

My delve into local and regional politics showed me how badly fucked up the Democrats in office, who are older than both of us, really are. They sucked up late sixties and early seventies feminism like vacuums. They are ON FIRE for reparations, TRANS insanity, BLM/ANTIFA, masks, destroying schools, lockdowns, open socialism, and all the rest. The SOVIETS got them – all the way back then.

This election will be crucial to NOT BACK DOWN to these fuckers. It means not shutting up about their cheating, not going along with their crap (to whatever level people are comfortable), and saying NO MAS.

And no falling for their tricks, which will be many.


That is certainly an interesting point.


“I don’t know why there’s so much concern for Latinos or Asians.”


I do. It’s because Asians and Latinos are protected classes.

Beginning, middle and end of story.


“Reparations for slavery would be a fraud on any living person who has not owned slaves themselves.”


But the only people who can be PUNISHED, endlessly and without mercy, is white people.

Hence the concern for Asians and Latinos, but not white people.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yup. They are building toward race war if they can get one. EVIL, they are.

Gail Combs

It s worse than that!

The first legal slave owner in America was black and he owned white slaves.

Anthony Johnson (AD 1600 – 1670) was an Angolan who achieved freedom in the early 17th century Colony of Virginia.

Johnson was captured in his native Angola by an enemy tribe and sold to Arab (Muslim) slave traders. He was eventually sold as an indentured servant to a merchant working for the Virginia Company.

Sometime after 1635, Antonio and Mary gained their freedom from indenture. Antonio changed his name to Anthony Johnson.

In 1651 Anthony Johnson owned 250 acres, and the services of four white and one black indentured servants. The black indentured servant John Casor (Casar, Cazarao and Corsala) demanded that Johnson release him after his seven years of indenture.

In March of 1654, according to Delmarva Settlers, Anthony’s servant, a man named John Casar requested that Johnson release him from his indenture because it had long expired past the usual seven years. Johnson replied that he knew of no indenture and that Casar was to be his servant for life. Anthony Johnson’s neighbors, George and Robert Parker, stated that they knew of another indenture for the said Casar to a planter on the other side of the bay. They continued to threaten Johnson with the loss of the servant’s cattle if he were to deny him his freedom. Johnson, with the influence from his family, released the servant, and even went to see that John Casar received his freedom dues. Freedom dues are materials and supplies given to the freed person in order for them to start their new lives with the necessary materials. In the case of John Casar, clothing and corn.[110] But after careful reflection, Johnson was certain that Casar was his servant for life; a slave. Johnson then sued the Parker brothers for unlawfully taking his property from him, and since there were no other indentures for John Casar, he was returned to the Johnsons.

The courts ruled in favor of Anthony Johnson and declared John Casor his property in 1655. Casor became the first person of African descent in Britain’s Thirteen Colonies to be declared as a slave for life as the result of Johnson’s civil suit.

In the case of Johnson v. Parker, the court of Northampton County upheld Johnson’s right to hold Casor as a slave, saying in its ruling of 8 March 1655:

“This daye Anthony Johnson negro made his complaint to the court against mr. Robert Parker and declared that hee deteyneth his servant John Casor negro under the pretence that said negro was a free man. The court seriously consideringe and maturely weighing the premisses, doe fynde that the saide Mr. Robert Parker most unjustly keepeth the said Negro from Anthony Johnson his master … It is therefore the Judgement of the Court and ordered That the said John Casor Negro forthwith returne unto the service of the said master Anthony Johnson, And that Mr. Robert Parker make payment of all charges in the suit.”

In a 1916 article, John H. Russell wrote, “Indeed no earlier record, to our knowledge, has been found of judicial support given to slavery in Virginia except as a punishment for a crime.”

It’s not clear if Anthony Johnson also kept his white indentured servants as slaves.



It almost makes me feel sorry for how ignorant the leftist racists are.

If they knew true history, would they remain being racists?


“Why is this causing so much concern?”


Because it is so insanely evil and designed to be rage-inducing.

It is constantly picking at an open wound that they created and will never allow to heal.

It is openly condemning the innocent who have no means to defend themselves because they are the only unprotected class, while once again and as always, elevating the protected classes above the unprotected class.

It is kicking the dog that can’t bite, while feeding the dogs who can.

It is sick and evil and disgusting and I hate their evil with every fiber of my being.


I don’t disagree.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Vote for Trump. It’s the only way out.


…fundamentally unfair…

Oh please.

  • It’s CA. Fair is not part of the decision matrix. Fleecing taxpayers is the plan.

“Most of them were immigrants who had nothing to do with slavery” NO living person of any race had anything to do with slavery.
They cannot possibly be saying that this is a monetary punishment for caucasion people?


They also conveniently forget that half of the country (mostly white people), fought against slavery and several hundred thousand of them died. Maybe the families of those who died should be fighting for reparations from the democrats who still won’t let go of their slaves.


Yes x 10000
It also seems that the timing for this reparations push is critical because the new minority “victim” class is growing by leaps and bounds with open borders. Soon there will be loud voices demanding special programs and privilege for hundreds of nationalities and religions



That’s a strong counterclaim for when they sue me for reparations.

ThanQ for the legal tip.  😯 

Gail Combs

Then there are those of us whose people came here AFTER the civil war OR came here as indentured servants.


Y’all don’t fit the script. Sorry.  😂 

Valerie Curren

Some of my husband’s ancestors were white slaves in the Caribbean, iirc, because of their Quaker faith. Others were Irish who were practically lower than slaves when coming to America…

Gail Combs

Isn’t Californicate BANKRUPT? or nearly so?

California is bankrupt, turning a $100 billion surplus into a $68 billion deficit in just 2 years.

California is bankrupt, turning a $100 billion surplus into a $68 billion deficit in just 2 years. In return, Californians got homeless camps, broken windmills and “Mad Max” cities where tissue boxes need to be locked. The few remaining taxpayers are scattered.

Peter Onge, a Research Fellow, Thomas A. Roe Institute for Economic Policy Studies. It’s interesting to note that California governor Gavin Newsom stated the opposite about his “prosperous” state during the debate with Florida governor DeSantis. Politicians like to manipulate the data to their benefit.


California was not even a state during the small amount of time the US was engaged in slavery.


Minor details.  🙄 

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Uh, it became a state in 1849.

And slavery ended with the 13th amendment, Dec 6, 1865


Per Wikipoo:

In the 1770s, enslaved black people throughout New England began sending petitions to northern legislatures demanding freedom. Five Northern states adopted policies to at least gradually abolish slavery: Pennsylvania in 1780, New Hampshire and Massachusetts in 1783, and Connecticut and Rhode Island in 1784. The Republic of Vermont had limited slavery in 1777, while it was still independent before it joined the United States as the 14th state in 1791.

By 1804 (including New York (1799) and New Jersey (1804)), all of the Northern states had abolished slavery or set measures in place to gradually abolish it….

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

WSB asserted that California wasn’t a state while we still had slavery..

I showed it had been for 16 years.

What does what you said here have to do with any of that?


WSB may have been referring to the ban on importation of new slaves, which dates back to 1808.

It’s a complicated subject —

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

If so WSB was horribly confused. Not importing slaves was a help…but slavery could have continued forever without it.


“Engaged in slavery” could certainly be taken as “participating in the international slave trade”.

That said, the whole “California never participated in perpetuating the institution of slavery” thing is tarnished by the compromise that allowed it to become a State — that one of its two Senators must vote pro-slavery.


From March 1st of this year:
Oprah Leaves WeightWatchers, Sinks Stock Price After Admitting Truth About Weight-Loss Drug

TV producer and former daytime talk show powerhouse Oprah Winfrey has left the board of weight-loss company WeightWatchers after revealing that she uses drugs as a “maintenance” plan to maintain her weight.

Winfrey admitted last year that she began using pharmaceutical drugs and not just dieting programs to maintain her weight loss and to avoid “yo yoing” up and down in weight, CNBC reported.

Winfrey said, she initially had “shame about it” but is now accepting the drug use and openly admitting it.

“I now use it as I feel I need it, as a tool to manage not yo-yoing,” she told People magazine.

“The fact that there’s a medically approved prescription for managing weight and staying healthier, in my lifetime, feels like relief, like redemption, like a gift,” Winfrey added.

She appears to have misled people into thinking her ability to keep weight off was due to following WeightWatchers, when it was really due to her taking a weight loss drug, either Ozempic or something similar

“The most common side effects of [Ozempic and other GLP-1] medications are gastrointestinal, including nausea, vomiting, diarrhea or constipation. Patients may also experience fatigue, headaches or dizziness…”
Now Oprah has been hospitalized with bad stomach flu symptoms. 🤔


Here come the lawsuits!!!

Likely outcome is The Rich Black Gal has to create a half billion dollar settlement fund for all the victims of her fraud. Conceivably she could end up in bankruptcy court.


There is apparently a side effect of Ozempic called “frozen stomach.” The stomach and intestinal tract just shut down.

Once more, with feeling:


Stop overeating and be more active. That’s the ONLY way.


You forgot no carbs.  😪 


I eat carbs all the time. I mean a lot. Ice cream, bread, potatoes, etc. And I am not in any way overweight. But I work like a field hand.


I was just making fun of the fad/cult lose-weight-easy crowd.


Lol. It kind of makes me sad.

Gail Combs

It is all the CRAP kids are fed that starts them on the obesity tread mill.

I NEVER see parents handing kids MILK or just plain water. It is always soft drinks or sugary ‘fruit’ drinks.


I drank mostly from the hose!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

That was the SPORT DRINK of my youth!



Gail Combs


Gail Combs

I still do!

It is too darn far to walk back to the house and I have water hydrants all over the farm.



Gail Combs

My favored drink now is water with a little bit of lemonade (non sugar) added. I can not drink lemonade straight any more without stomach complaints but a dollop in a glass of water is no problem.

My other non water drink is tea (no sugar)


I gotta own it. I love, love, love coffee!

Gail Combs

I can eat carbs JUST BEFORE I go out and work my butt off. If I eat them After I come in I go to sleep from low blood sugar.


I balance my carb intake with protein, always. If I have a sweet, it’s after a meal. If I eat potatoes, it’s with a big steak.

Gail Combs

I do the same but I am getting more sensitive to sugar.

So I mainly stick to protein and fat (meat) plus low carb veggies and sneak in some fruit occasionally.

Rice does not bother me too much, if I cook and refrigerate it first.

Effect of variety and cooking method on resistant starch content of white rice and subsequent postprandial glucose response and appetite in humans

Rice is a staple carbohydrate throughout much of the world. Previous work indicated that resistant starch (RS) content of rice consumed in India varied with rice variety and cooking method. This study quantified RS in 4 white rice varieties (jasmine, long grain, medium grain, and short grain) cooked in three manners (oven baked, conventional rice cooker, and pressure cooker), and analyzed for RS content immediately after preparation or after 3 days of refrigeration at 4°C. The rice varieties with the highest and lowest RS content were selected for a pilot- scale trial to characterize postprandial glycemic response and appetite ratings in healthy adults (n=21). Refrigerated long-grain rice cooked in a conventional rice cooker had the highest RS content (HRS, 2.55 g RS/100 g) and refrigerated short-grain rice cooked in a pressure cooker had the lowest RS content (LRS, 0.20 g RS/100 g). These rice samples were served reheated in the clinical trial. Glucose area under the curve (AUC) were significantly lower with HRS and LRS compared to glucose beverage; however, there was no difference between HRS and LRS. Glycemic indices did not differ significantly between HRS and LRS. Subjects reported an overall increased feeling of fullness and decreased desire to eat based on incremental area under the curve (iAUC) for both HRS and LRS compared to control. This study found that RS naturally occurring in rice had minimal impact on the postprandial glycemic response and appetite.

Resistant Starch Content in Foods Commonly Consumed in the United States: A Narrative Review


Resistant starch (RS; types 1 to 5) cannot be digested in the small intestine and thus enters the colon intact, with some types capable of being fermented by gut microbes. As a fiber, types 1, 2, 3, and 5 are found naturally in foods, while types 2, 3, and 4 can be added to foods as a functional ingredient…. Breads, breakfast cereals, snack foods, bananas and plantains, grains, pasta, rice, legumes, and potatoes contain RS. Foods that have been cooked then chilled have higher RS than cooked foods. Foods with higher amylose concentrations have higher RS than native varieties. The data from this database will serve as a resource for health practitioners to educate and support patients and clients interested in increasing their intake of RS-rich foods and for researchers to formulate dietary interventions with RS foods and examine associated health outcomes.

It is white bread that is a real problem along with refined sugar.
Cereal grains, legumes and diabetes


This review examines the evidence for the role of whole grain foods and legumes in the aetiology and management of diabetes. MedLine and SilverPlatter (‘Nutrition’ and ‘Food Science FSTA’) databases were searched to identify epidemiological and experimental studies relating to the effects of whole grain foods and legumes on indicators of carbohydrate metabolism. Epidemiological studies strongly support the suggestion that high intakes of whole grain foods protect against the development of type II diabetes mellitus (T2DM). People who consume approximately 3 servings per day of whole grain foods are less likely to develop T2DM than low consumers (<3 servings per week) with a risk reduction in the order of 20-30%. The role of legumes in the prevention of diabetes is less clear, possibly because of the relatively low intake of leguminous foods in the populations studied. However, legumes share several qualities with whole grains of potential benefit to glycaemic control including slow release carbohydrate and a high fibre content. A substantial increase in dietary intake of legumes as replacement food for more rapidly digested carbohydrate might therefore be expected to improve glycaemic control and thus reduce incident diabetes. This is consistent with the results of dietary intervention studies that have found improvements in glycaemic control after increasing the dietary intake of whole grain foods, legumes, vegetables and fruit. The benefit has been attributed to an increase in soluble fibre intake. However, prospective studies have found that soluble fibre intake is not associated with a lower incidence of T2DM. On the contrary, it is cereal fibre that is largely insoluble that is associated with a reduced risk of developing T2DM. Despite this, the addition of wheat bran to the diets of diabetic people has not improved indicators of glycaemic control. These apparently contradictory findings might be explained by metabolic studies that have indicated improvement in glucose handling is associated with the intact structure of food. For both grains and legumes, fine grinding disrupts cell structures and renders starch more readily accessible for digestion.

Gail Combs

When we first moved here and lived in a travel trailer, It was tough to cook so I ate a lot of weight watchers TV dinners.

Understand I was also putting in fencing (NO TRACTOR so hand digging all post holes) and other strenuous labor.

I GAINED 30 pounds in less than a year!! The damn stuff was FULL of starch and little protein or even decent veggies!

I am STILL trying to shed those pounds 30 years later. And yes Keto helps but it is very slow going because pain killers trigger my appetite. Unfortunately I have developed an allergy to CBD oil — DARN IT!


You are a wealth of unusual facts and experiences.  😍 

Gail Combs

I have a good memory but nothing like Mom’s photographic memory.

As far as experiences? What can I say. Heck my Insurance company advertises they insure the wild and wacky. My insurance agent used to play polo and import black Russian fox. 😋 We are a perfect fit!

Valerie Curren


Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Some common sense here, IMO.


Try some math, Emerald. They can’t go beyond the number of registered voters in each state, something that was NOT CHALLENGED IN 2020. It will be this time.

She should look in the mirror if she wants to see a real moron.

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Maybe she brings some needed gravity, but her attitude is unfailingly negative.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

This is true.

I think she’s right that they will “rig bigger” this time. Much bigger.


But that doesn’t mean shit if we’re taking care of business.

Like Pressler is, for example.

Gail Combs

Do not forget that there were something like 50 election fraud cases KICKED OUT because of ‘lack of standing’

As far as I am concerned EVERY SINGLE CITIZEN has a ‘stake’ in the outcome of a federal election because WE PAY TAXES and where our tax money goes as well as HOW MUCH we pay is determined by the outcome of these elections!


True but the silver lining in each one of those ‘lack of standing’ opinions reveals exactly what must be fixed in order to have standing next time.

The Trump campaign almost certainly has attorneys in each critical state that is needed to win, armed with ready-to-go pleadings to challenge any leftist tricks.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

DOJ has copies of all that work already, IMO.

Holder’s DOJ/FBI was already spying on opposition lawyers under Obama at the same time he was spying on Sharyl Attkisson. There was a case where they jumped the gun on an action against a lawyer in the “birther” stuff – I don’t recall the details, but the only way they could have known what they did was spying on her illegally.

Biden opened that door even wider, and FIB can monitor whoever they want now, for almost any suspicion, without going to a judge.

Be prepared for ALL electoral challenges to be shot down FAST, by complete prior knowledge.

National security, you know. National security, as defined by DOJ-NSD.


My my but aren’t you a bundle of sunshine.


Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Sorry for the bad news, but this.

No hopium allowed this time. NONE. 😉

I was there on January Sixth. I saw what DOJ and FBI did. They wanted to unleash the world anti-terrorism apparatus against their fellow Americans, for political purposes. And they DID manage to divide us (MAGA) – until we figured out what they did.

These people are DANGEROUS and DEADLY, and they will stop at nothing.

If they are not stopped this time, I expect to be in jail in 2025, doing absolutely nothing but posting here.

The second Biden term (4th Obama term) will be a horror for Americans, if it happens.

Gail Combs

Unfortunately I have to agree with you.

Valerie Curren

I think you’re likely correct here  😡   😥   😡 

Gail Combs

Do not forget ALL the conservative lawyers getting DISBARRED too.


I’m assisting one that they’re trying that on. It’s not easy to do client work plus respond to BS grievances against the lawyer’s bar card.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

What’s your plan if FBI arrests Pressler? Please don’t tell me. Just have one.

If you’re following the news, they are already planning to intervene in the election, under the pretext of fighting “conspiracy theories”.

I would not mind being in a cell next to Pressler. Great way to start earning cred.


She is pointing out that Hopium is going to get us all killed.


Good I broke that addiction years ago. Hopium, that is.

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Good call! That is exactly what she’s doing.

Robert Baker

I suspect she is tamping down irrational exuberance.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

YES. Love that name for it.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

How do you know it will be challenged this time?

Who will do the challenging?

Are any of these people who will allegedly challenge, the same ones who did any challenging last time, and who not only failed, but are currently being prosecuted by lawfare Democrats and Soros DAs? And whose cases were not thrown out by our glorious judiciary?

I think she’s asking a great question. I don’t see the trajectory of “law” getting any better, as long as they can generate and hand off their fake numbers to the MSM and pretend to believe them.

Remember – switching electronic votes seems to be a working tactic that keeps numbers within the confines of the number of registered voters – which is already far more than the number of real voters in blue states.

I have no faith in the system stopping the blue devils this time, either.


I have read, but don’t know for sure, that the new leadership at the RNC, which includes Trump’s daughter-in-law, is preparing with attorneys in all fifty states.

I guess we’ll see.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

We got wicked RINO RONNA out of the way, thank goodness.

Yes, we will see. We need to prepare for the leftists to try to threaten Lara legally, with media cover, and then throw her in jail.


Apply a little alchemy and they can just avoid that scenario.


“Try some math, Emerald. They can’t go beyond the number of registered voters in each state, something that was NOT CHALLENGED IN 2020. It will be this time.”


Why will it matter?

Is the corrupt system going to fight itself?

How many people are going to give a *&^% about another “sore-loser” Trump challenge, when the Leftist victory party is in full swing?

They can easily screw up the vote count so much that the actual vote count can never be accurately determined, and if we redo the election (never mind the chaos or the lack of Constitutional provision for a do-over!), the same result will occur, because the people inside the system are going to do the same thing (again).

And if we don’t redo the election, then a judge will decide the winner. If a judge decides Brandon won, it’s over. If a judge decides Trump won, who is going to physically remove Brandon from the WH?

It has never happened before, not only in the history of America, but as far as I know, it has never happened before in the history of the world.

Imagine 70 million democrats, whether they actually voted or not, amplified by mainstream news, social media bots, CIA bots and every other implement of psychological warfare, so that it seems like 300 million people voted for Brandon and every last one of them is mocking and laughing at Trump and his supporters.

Even if one judge somehow allows a case to be heard, and Trump wins, it won’t be enough to overturn the election result. Suppose we get lucky, and enough judges agree to hear enough cases, and we get lucky again so Trump wins all of them, so that the election result should be overturned. Who is going to undo the already established election result, and with what army?

TPTB will do everything possible to delay the cases until after inauguration day, and they will succeed, because they control the system, even if they don’t control every last individual judge.

There must be a thousand reasons why no one has ever voted their way out of tyranny before, in the history of the world.

Is challenging an election result based on too many votes being cast compared to the number of registered voters going to change that history?


Is your belief in the system really that strong?

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

People need to read this over and over because this is exactly what we’ll be seeing.

To every one of these moves by the enemies of freedom and truth, we will have to issue massive FUCK YOU, COMMIE responses, at every level.


Prepare for whatever happens. Whether it is before, during, or after the election, they will try to hold onto power.


Without a doubt, they will try to steal it again.


I guess it’s hopeless because I lack a perfect plan to reach nirvana-on-earth. Seems kinda pointless for me to keep fighting my cancer.


I also have hope. Thank goodness Trump does too.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy



It is not my intention to imply hopelessness, or to suggest that there is a perfect plan, or that anyone could come up with a perfect plan.

And I certainly don’t think it’s pointless to keep fighting your cancer.

What I was trying to say was a warning, in hope that we would not be blindsided by a system that is broken beyond repair, a system that is run by the people who broke it, people who have no incentive to make it function as intended, and every incentive to make the system serve their own evil objectives.

In a perfect world, or even a reasonably sane world, expecting to use such a system, especially as an outsider, to win on a technicality, should work, in a legitimate system of law and order.

We don’t have that kind of system anymore, if we ever did.

So it seems rational to recognize that a system which no longer exists, cannot be counted on to establish a legitimate or just result.


I understand.

Just wanted to be strong in my belief that we need to keep fighting.



Valerie Curren

Never stop fighting! God be with You!!!


How many people are going to give a *&^% about another “sore-loser” Trump challenge, when the Leftist victory party is in full swing?

I will. And millions more MAGA patriots. And those who are going hungry because of Dem policies. And those who are facing being drafted to fight a war…


“I will.”


I will too.


“And millions more MAGA patriots.”


Our outrage will be legendary, at least among those who care, which will only be ourselves.

If the outrage might be channeled into achieving a just result, what mechanism might be employed?


“And those who are going hungry because of Dem policies.”


The Dims will give them just enough food to keep them on the plantation.


“And those who are facing being drafted to fight a war.”


I would love to see the most hated government in the world try to implement a draft to fight a war which not one single person in the country believes in.

I hope they implement the draft before the election.

They should do it today.

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As IF the legal system works.


The legal system is not self-executing nor is it intended to be. Corrupt law firms prove this every day. It looks hopeless because too many of us let the thugs get a head start.

Just remember, our legal system came straight out of Scripture.

The problem is not with design; it is the lack of legal warriors in the numbers needed to reclaim it quickly from the thugs.


Actually, they did in Pennsylvania in the 2020 election, and they certified the results even though Pennsylvania makes it illegal.
So, they can do anything if the fraud is not prosecuted.


But we have half an ally in Fetterman.


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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Question. How much force can a homeowner use against this thief?


Depends if he has a shovel and a backyard.


….and how far he lives from the main roads….


…..and far from ring cams


How much force can a homeowner use against this thief?

Possibly none? If the homeowner has no reason to believe he/she is in danger of imminent bodily harm, they can’t use deadly force on the thief. And the guy was so fast that I don’t think anyone could have caught up with him to try to retrieve the package. If they did confront him directly, I don’t know what the laws are or if the homeowner would be charged with battery if they attacked the guy.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I do believe that one can still use FORCE to stop property crimes.


^^^ That is my understanding, to the point I’d bet on it.

Note to self. Get busy with my TX carry permit AND TX laws.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

AMEN. You have a RIGHT to use FORCE against crime, and if the criminal creates a deadly threat, you have a right to use DEADLY FORCE.


Man, do I love Montana:

Montana Code Annotated 2023TITLE 45. CRIMESCHAPTER 3. JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCEPart 1. When Force JustifiedUse Of Force In Defense Of Other Property45-3-104. Use of force in defense of other property. A person is justified in the use of force or threat to use force against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that the conduct is necessary to prevent or terminate the other person’s trespass on or other tortious or criminal interference with either real property, other than an occupied structure, or personal property lawfully in the person’s possession or in the possession of another who is a member of the person’s immediate family or household or of a person whose property the person has a legal duty to protect. However, the person is justified in the use of force likely to cause death or serious bodily harm only if the person reasonably believes that the force is necessary to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Thank you!

Yes, WE THE PEOPLE need to hold on dearly to our right to use FORCE to defend property.

What is happening in blue commie states is psychological conditioning of all Americans to the idea that individual citizens don’t have a right to defend property.


I agree with you, but people need to be very careful and know the laws because sometimes we think they say something that they do not. I’ve read of cases where people were convicted of shooting at a trespasser or at someone who was stealing something off of their property as they were fleeing.


A good example of this is ‘warning shots’.

Govt calls it reckless unnecessary firearm discharge.




However, the person is justified in the use of force likely to cause death or serious bodily harm only if the person reasonably believes that the force is necessary to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

I don’t think the theft of a small package from a porch would likely be a forcible felony, so “the use of force likely to cause death or serious bodily harm” would not be allowed. IOW, I think one could be in big trouble if they shot at the thief.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yes! But you could trip him and then use physical force to take possession of the package, while verbalizing that he must hand it over. If the thief produced a weapon, deadly force would become potentially justified.

The Amazon dude would be fired for tripping the thief, but the owner would ultimately get off for that in MOST places in America.

Regrettably, in some places, Soros DAs might go after the owner.


I believe it should be that way, but people would be wise to check the laws in their state.


^^^ Critical point. ^^^

Including when carrying across states.


The lack of ethical compass beginning in the past 60 years is resulting in stealing and what to do?
The lack of teaching the ten commandment has resulted in our cultural dilemma


Establish &^%$ing LAW and ORDER, or the country DIES.

We all stand around, just like that dopey delivery guy, and do nothing, while society unravels before our eyes. All we do is talk, talk, talk, talk, talk talk talk.

I hate what our country has become.

I #$%#ing hate it.

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

The Amazon delivery guy could have easily tripped the CRIM, but I’m sure he’s forbidden from doing it.

I hate it, too.


That’s a tricky one. By the time the delivery guy has processed what’s happening tripping the thief probably isn’t possible….AND here’s a don’t know if the thief might not be a family member pranking. People do strange things for fun. People also do things to try and entrap big companies like FedEx and UPS. They pay out a lot of shut-up claims by nogoodniks who claim the driver did this or that the package is damaged or the dent on their car was caused by the delivery van. It’s endless

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That was my first thought.

A prank hoping to get clicks when posted online.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy



Parents need to teach and set a child on the right path and God will form a child to the a good person. Take kids to church so they learn good from evil,


Might need to look at specific state laws.

If the homeowner has no reason to believe he/she is in danger of imminent bodily harm, they can’t use deadly force on the thief. 

  • Is that the ONLY time deadly force can be used on a thief in all 50 states?

Homeowner attacked the guy?

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

FORCE versus DEADLY FORCE is the key to solving the problem.

FORCE is perfectly legal, and can include initiation of physical confrontation in innumerable ways.

The left has already gotten us to question our right to use force, by getting businesses to stand down on their RIGHT to use force.


Texas allows the prick to be shot in the back. Seriously.


Texas allows the prick to be shot in the back.

Only under certain circumstances, apparently.

Texas Law on Using Deadly Force to Defend Property

We must examine the law to answer the question, “Can I use deadly force to protect property?”. Texas Penal Code Section 9.421 states a person can use deadly force to protect tangible, movable property from another’s imminent commission of theft during the nighttime or to prevent another who is fleeing immediately after committing theft during the nighttime and is escaping with property ➡️ if the person reasonably believes the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or that a use of force other than deadly force to recover the property would expose them to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.

That’s where a jury can decide if your defense of your property was reasonable. It’s a gamble.

How does Texas Law define deadly force?

Chapter 9 of Texas Penal Code Chapter 9 Deadly Force. “Deadly force” means force intended or known by the actor to cause, or in the manner of its use or intended use is capable of causing, death or serious bodily injury2.

The Texas Deadly Force Standard is simple, right?

The plain reading of the law makes it seem like you could shoot someone if you walk outside in the middle of the night and catch them stealing or even fleeing with stolen property. But there is much more to the story… because if you rely only on the law, you’ll be in big trouble.

Deadly Force To Defend Property in Practice

➡️ We haven’t seen this defense used effectively in my practice. Because that determination will come down to a jury of twelve people, and it is very fact-dependant. In most situations, a jury will feel that a person’s life is more valuable than property. The law states there must not be any other means to recover your property, and the theft must occur at nighttime.

The government may argue you could have called the police and allowed them to recover the bike. Additionally, if you were to walk out and see the bike thief in the middle of the day versus at night, there would be no defense to using deadly force against the perpetrator to protect your property.

Using Force To Protect Property in Texas

So, what can you do if you can’t shoot the thief? Under Texas law, you can use force, but not deadly force, to protect your property3.

This aligns with Wolf’s idea that you can use force against a perp. But this is just one state.

The Texas Penal Code does not define force. Still, it generally means any action that is capable of causing bodily injury (i.e., physical pain, illness, or impairment) but not so much force that it would cause serious bodily injury (i.e., substantial risk of death, serious permanent disfigurement, or protracted loss or impairment of any bodily member or organ).

So you can’t shoot a thief, especially in the daytime, and get away with it in Texas.

Protecting a Vehicle

What About the “Castle Doctrine”?

How does the Castle Doctrine apply in this scenario? When protecting a personal vehicle, I frequently hear, “Doesn’t the ‘Castle Doctrine’ allow me to protect my car?” The Castle Doctrine gives you a legal presumption the force you used to protect your occupied vehicle or home was reasonable.

However, there are limitations to the Castle Doctrine. The Castle Doctrine only applies to your OCCUPIED home or vehicle. This aligns with Wolf’s idea that you can use force against a perp.

What About Burglary?

What if you see a perpetrator in the middle of a burglary? Can you use deadly force to prevent the imminent commission of a burglary?

Doesn’t a car burglary count as burglary? Texas Penal Code Section 9.42 uses the word burglary in the most general sense. The statute gives no qualifiers or limitations on what type of burglary a person would be justified in using deadly force to thwart.

Unfortunately, the courts do not provide clear guidance. For example, does burglary include burglary of a vehicle? Your guess is as good as ours.

Until the courts resolve this issue, use extreme caution.

What if the Thief Threatens Me?

What if you walk outside and yell at the thief to stop, and he turns with a gun pointed at you? This is an entirely different situation. If you were to use deadly force, you would be defending yourself, not your property. The law in Texas is clear: You can use lethal force to protect yourself against imminent death or serious bodily injury.

Serious Situation

Using deadly force is a serious decision, and using or threatening to use a gun may be considered a use of deadly force. Therefore, you should only use or threaten to use your gun as a last resort. Remember, you can be arrested any time you draw your gun. An arrest means likely having to go to court and argue self-defense to a judge or jury. Even if you are ultimately acquitted at trial by a judge or jury, being charged with a crime can have serious consequences.


I have been educated. ThanQ.


About time I paid you back for all the legal knowledge!


ThanQ for your kind words.


I am good with it.


Notice the “theif” has something in his left hand, looks like maybe a mobile phone, easy to see on half speed.
Now if one was about to do something that could bring consequences and no telling how it would end up, would you not want both hands free just in case you needed them.
Might not have been a phone though, could have been an electronic device tracking that particular package, and of course if the package was tagged in some way the theif/ private eye would not want the recipient to examine it.
Could have been the recipient was having his mail sent to a third party who would then re-address it and post it on unopened.

Gail Combs

There was the case of a Mayor of a small town.

A package was sent to his address CONTAINING ILLEGAL DRUGS. Cops (Swat team) were tracking the package. Mayor picked it up as it was delivered and got nailed for possession. Cops also shot his two dogs AS THEY WERE RUNNING AWAY. (That was determined by the bullet entry wounds)

CHAOS ensued and the Mayor ended up suing the shit out of the cops.

Seems the state cops WERE AWARE the actual criminals were using the addresses of innocents for moving drugs.

Found one copy of the story. It is not nearly as detailed as the one I read. That artical for example, said the M-i-L was scared 1/2 to death by the swat team barging in on her.

2008 — Mayor wants federal probe after SWAT raids house, kills dogs CNN

  • Story Highlights
  • Raid carried out after marijuana package mailed to home of Cheye Calvo
  • Deputies said they shot Calvo’s dogs because they felt threatened by them
  • Calvo says he and his mother-in-law were handcuffed next to dog’s carcass
  • Sheriff’s Department expresses sympathy, doesn’t apologize

👉Authorities say the package was part of a scheme in which drugs are mailed to unknowing recipients and then intercepted. [THEY KNEW!]

Calvo said he had just returned home from walking his two Labrador retrievers,

…”They’ve said they’ve done nothing wrong,” Calvo said. “I didn’t sign up for this fight, but I think what we have to do now is make changes to how Prince George’s County police and Prince George’s County sheriff’s department operate.”

Calvo said authorities entered his home without knocking and refused to show him a warrant when he requested one.

But Prince George’s County Police Department spokeswoman Sharon Taylor said legal counsel had informed her that 👉“no-knock” warrants do not exist

in Maryland;Watch authorities defend their actions »

Taylor said authorities were acting on a warrant issued based on information available to them at the time.

“This warrant was for permission to search the premises,” she said. “The special operations team that supported us made a decision about the necessity of entry at the point of being on the scene.”

“No-knock” warrants have drawn criticism before. In Atlanta, Georgia, Kathryn Johnston, 92, was shot to death by police in a botched drug raid involving such a warrant in November….

2011 — Md. mayor settling suit after SWAT shoots his dogs


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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Good news!!!


What does the crowd of donkey asskissing sycophants have to say about this?

[crickets & bullfrogs]





Hunter is Jobama’s scapegoat.


yep Hunter’s been the pimp for his family’s crime biz. He benefited also but was tapped for the swindle/extortion/pay to play. On some level if he ever had any deep thoughts about it he had to realize that if the thing collapsed he would be the first to fall. There had to be the occasional ‘thanks Dad for using me’ thought.

His father has enabled him and chosen his path………….Hunter Biden received an age waiver to join the Navy Reserves as a commissioned officer in his forties, and he received a second waiver after he disclosed that he’d used drugs in the past, according to a profile in The New Yorker. Despite overcoming those initial obstacles, Biden’s military career was short-lived and controversial.

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.Even with Dad’s intervention Hunter fell back (or never stopped using) and was discharged for failing a drug test.


The way I see it is first son was dad’s favorite and Hunter has tried to please his dad. What he sadly does not know is no matter what he does he will never get the love dad had for his first son. Some people try in the parents live to be loved by the parent the way they need too. I believe that is why Hunter is such a mess.

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I feel the same SS and throw in the weird incest type life the family had and messed up is inevitable

Gail Combs

I think that is