2020, March 9th-16th: Coronavirus, COVID19, XIvirus, WuFlu ~ 7th Weekly Update Thread

Welcome to our seventh thread on the Coronavirus/COVID19. We’ve collected and shared information from hundreds of sources around the world since mid-late January and published a thread (roughly) weekly. We will continue to do so until the crisis subsides. Along the way, we’ve debunked conspiracy theories, analyzed complex medical peer-reviewed studies, examined economic data from every possible angle, and shared common sense household practices to help keep your family safe. We have learned a great deal. Instead of being fearful, we believe in being informed.

Since the international press turned their attention to the story of COVID19, we’ve been surprised by the dissemination of disinformation. Please don’t necessary assume bias by the media, as it could be we are merely 6-7 weeks ahead of their learning curve…. or already debunked a particular conspiracy theory. COVID19/ Wuhan Virus/ SARS2 doesn’t care about politics and strikes without discrimination. That said, as in any crisis, there will be those who seek to use the crisis for political advantage.

Please note, our thread will never be complete. It can’t be. New information breaks daily, and we update constantly in the comment section found below. If you have information, please share it in the comments, and please, include the date and source. We appreciate all sources.

Our thread will be subdivided into the following subjects, for individual ease of use:

  • Primary update links. The dashboard from Johns Hopkins which counts “official” cases all over the world, the CDC, and WHO, and includes the links for our past threads.
  • Hard Data Medical Information- Explanation about testing, reliance on China for drugs, analysis of NE Journal of Medicine results and other published papers.
  • Vaccine and theraputics (new/old drugs to alleviate symptoms) news and updates 
  • Trump Administration response (the timeline and links to various agencies)
  • China Responses, timelines, research, attempt to cover actions, or secrecy in results discovered.
  • An aggregate of info/responses from other countries, listed by country.
  • Economic impact from around the world. A change in economic activity will indicate a “return to normal”.
  • Speculation/debunking on how the virus started
  • Media Bias, political response, and debunking section, like the article from AP News, overt bias from Politico, inflammatory headlines, etc.  
  • Other medical info to boost immune system, herbal remedies, ways to keep your house clean and NOT spread the virus to others. Excellent information to incorporate into daily lifestyle.
  • Hard links for OTHER valuable sources/blogs and a brief sentence or two about what they provide
  • Other news items


*****Primary Update Links*****





Why Washing Your Hands Works to Kill a Virus: A man named Palli Thordarson is an expert in supramolecular chemistry and the assembly of nanoparticles. He’s from Iceland. Here, he gives an absolutely fascinating read on how a virus is assembled, how soap kills the virus, and it’s easy enough for a kindergartner to understand. In fact, it should be turned into a Public Service Announcement and taught in schools. Well done, Palli!!! https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1236549305189597189.html

***** Addressing the issue of TESTING. Let’s get this out of the way, asap.

Were the original test kits from CDC incorrect? Yes, reagent was bad. Whether President Trump should be personally blamed SEEMS to depend on your political affiliation. Yes, it would have been better to have one national clearing house, the CDC, for test results. The Obama Administration thought the same thing during the Ebola outbreak. Yes, 50 Governors and powerful city Mayors, all running state labs creates too many Chieftains. We have to be able to act nationally, cohesively…… and calmly.

The media is driving much of the panic in the USA over this virus, but in our opinion the media is being unfairly criticized as is the Trump Administration. We’re all human. When we are uncertain, we assume the worst. To be FAIR to the media and the politicians, the problem is China’s secrecy. China is to blame for this global problem. Lack of accurate information from Communist China compounds the problem in the general public (which is why people are buying toilet paper and Campbell’s soup) and the slide in global Stock Markets. For instance, for months, we thought we had a death rate of over 4%. Now, the death rate, for those who actually developed pneumonia which is far closer to 1-2% and early indications of .4%, only slightly greater than a regular flu, and the rate will probably go lower as more people in western democracies are tested. Remember, over 80% of people who test positive, never even go to a hospital. We’re talking about 2% pneumonia cases in the 20% of serious cases, which is 4/10ths of 1% or one person in every 250 who test positive…. and those are rates for China, not western democracies with excellent health care systems. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387

In another article in the Journal, Guan et al.5 report mortality of 1.4% among 1099 patients with laboratory-confirmed Covid-19. We’re narrowing in on real results.

If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.2


Therefore, when the President says he believes, or “has a hunch” the “death rate” will be far less than 1%, and Sec Azar agreed with him at the CDC presser of March 6th, and Sec Azar stated that assumption is in line with these results published in the NE Journal of Medicine, the President was correct. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387 And when Chris Hayes of MSNBC criticizes the President’s “hunch”, insists the President is stupid and should “go play golf for a month” and let the grown ups handle the problem……….. people like Chris Hayes are incorrect, spreading panic and disinformation, distrust of government, for political means and corporate profit.

Not everyone in the USA needs a test for COVID19, once a week. The idea that any government could flip a switch and make available testing for 350 million people on a daily request is patently absurd…………. AND Pundits screaming “I need a test NOW”, when they aren’t even sick, is intentionally designed to create more panic, more financial loss, for all countries. The media has become hyperbolic, the public is being unreasonable, and we all need to calm down and use a little common sense.

March 6, 2020: The Chinese government sent the sequence of the virus to the USA in the beginning of January. The CDC developed a test based on the sequence but had no live virus for samples. There was nothing wrong with the CDC test, this is a media myth. The CDC test was/is accurate and always has been. Any physician or public health official who needed to conduct a test was allowed to submit to CDC for results. Presidential Press Conference, March 6, 2020, at the CDC.

In the beginning of our virus issue …. shipping the samples to Atlanta for testing caused a delay of a day or two. Yet, it’s vital for a national government to be able to accrue results, look for hot spots of infection, so they can take quick and decisive action to close borders/business/issue advisories, shut down ports, etc. in various regions of the country. Does not matter if the administration would be Dem or Repub. The ability to make decisions at the highest levels, as quickly as possible, cannot be hindered.

Months later, we needed to make testing easier and closer to physicians in the field. Yet, if “Dr. Drew” developed ONE test in Hollywood, and “Dr. OZ” developed a different test in NYC, we would have no reliable data, right? We had to make sure all states issued the same test. States’ labs needed to submit to FDA for approval so we have the same protocols across all states. This regulation existed under the FDA protocols established for the Ebola Outbreak under the Obama Administration. President Trump’s Admin cleared/removed red tape for necessary approval of “everything” submitted to FDA and streamlined the process (once a lab was checked and approved, they were fine to proceed). This is not a partisan criticism of the Obama Admin by the Trump Admin, it was merely a fact, and the process was altered to suit the threat we now face. Of course, the media headlines went something like, “Trump blames Obama for COVID19 problems.” Not helpful and inserts politics into a medical problem.

While trying to get the states health departments up to speed, some did well on first pass (with FDA) but a few did not. All states now complying. Additionally, the Trump Admin enlisted the private sector, Quest Diagnostics and other Labs, to process as many tests as we may need……. this means tests can be done as fast as humanly possible, within a doctor’s office, very soon. In the interim, testing is still available from CDC or state’s public health offices,…. must be referred by a physician.

Please know, this particular virus has been difficult to detect in ALL countries, and we list below a litany of sources detailing the problem of diagnosing COVID19. False positives created more “community spread”, meaning, someone who was tested and thought to be free of COVID19 then traveled or spread the disease to many people in their own circle of contacts. In some cases, drastic measures were necessary, CT Scans were required to detect the virus, which hides deep in lung tissue … or the problem of a more complicated test of lung sputum, which then indicated 11% more incidents of presence of COVID19.

As the physicians from CDC explained in presser of March 6th linked above, a drive through, cotton swab, pregnancy type test….. and sampling the general public, as was done in South Korea, is not really helpful when it comes to identifying particular circles of contacts which spread the disease. (Yet, it might be helpful to test healthcare workers before beginning a shift or to determine community spread.) President Moon was widely criticized and over a million people people demanded his resignation due to his slowness in shutting down the border with China. First, there were problems with those tests in South Korea, and second, the gov’t needs to allocate efforts to tracing contacts to isolate those who might be infected.

Social media accelerates the problem of panic. Example: Young female New Yorker reads a story about a citizen who tested positive in NYC. She coughs at work that day and goes to visit her doctor seeking a test for COVID19 for reassurance she does not have the virus. Doctor asks her questions, but refuses her test. Woman goes home and takes a day off work, spending the day on the couch, surfing social media. She is now convinced she was refused a $1400 COVID19 test available via her private insurer, because there are not enough tests, the President is awful, all Asian people are infected, and she thinks she will die…… which she explains to all her friends on social media….. creating further panic, flooding doctor’s offices and state and local health departments.

Any objective person can see where this would create a problem of overloading our health care system, create bigger problems by limiting supplies for healthcare workers, who need to treat the truly sick, AND possibly MORE illness/death created by spending valuable time on those who were never sick……… but just nervous. Below, we detail a story of Veterinarians pleading with people to stop buying masks because they don’t have enough to operate on our pets.

Additionally, there is a financial component on testing. Below, we provide links to sources claiming cost of up to $1400 per test (virus has to be extracted, a reagent is required, rather complicated). Private labs who operate “for profit” offered their version of “tests” locally to hospitals, to get around a delay of a few days at CDC, and leaked to media the “ease of their operation” which of course, came at a price….. Media complied, and yes, over-hyped the concern about the virus, leading to states demanding MORE control over testing, which would be more convenient, yet the Governors also demanded the Federal Government to pay for an ever increasing number of differing tests, using different protocols, which created bad data to get a real picture of the virus spread in the USA. We needed one accurate test, to which everyone adhered.

Trump Admin met with private health insurers and all co-pays will be provided free of charge. Medical care will be approved per Sec Azar. On gov’t side, all testing is free, per Administrator of HHS Verma.

*****Hard Data Medical ~ America’s Vulnerability to China for Pharmaceuticals and Medical Supplies

Yes, the USA is dependent on China for many pharmaceuticals as well as the ingredients to create these pharmaceuticals. Part of the 4-pronged approach of the Trump Admin is to address the immediate need for these supplies………… as well as look at long term national security implications of shipping all our health theraputics (manufacture of common medicines) overseas for the past 30yrs. Below, we list several articles on this topic, as well as the Peter Navarro interview. Navarro and now others, are in charge of addressing this problem.

  • February 12th, 2020: Valuable information is found in Pandemic Episode 15. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS7c_vqU4M4
  • Rosemary Gibson, Senior Advisor to the Hastings Center, took three years to investigate the state of Americas pharmaceuticals, culminating in the book “China RX”
  • Did you know the last aspirin factory in the USA closed down in 2004?
  • Did you know that the USA can no longer MAKE Vitamin C?
  • Did you know the USA no longer makes penicillin?  
  • Did you know tainted Heparin from China cause many deaths of American citizens….. it was Made in China. And did you know that our politicians have known about the problem/national security/health security for decades?
  • Also within this program is an interview with Mike Bowen, Senior VP and owner of Prestige Ameritech, the last manufacturer of N-95 Medical Grade Masks in the USA. It’s an interview which will make most Americans scream in frustration, and cry because of the ineptness of our bureaucrats and trade policies……. The facility used to supply about 79% of the market in the USA until purchased by Kimberly Clark….. shut down and shipped overseas, losing thousands of jobs and endangering Americans. It’s a must watch.
  • February 20, 2020: According to new research from the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CCDC), those with confirmed cases of the novel coronavirus (aka, COVID-19) have live virus in stool specimens. That means, in addition to spreading via close contact with the respiratory secretions of patients (aka, droplets produced by coughing or sneezing), COVID-19 can also be transmitted via a fecal-oral route. https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus-fecal-transmission
  • February 26, 2020: Senator Josh Hawley introduces legislation to bring our supply chain of medical supplies back to the USA. https://www.theepochtimes.com/josh-hawley-introducing-new-legislation-to-reduce-us-reliance-on-chinese-medical-supplies_3251050.html
  • March 2, 2020: Breitbart. Dr Marc Siegel. The coronavirus outbreak illustrates the need for America’s economy to decouple from China, assessed Siegel. “We’re relying on China for 90 percent of our ingredients for pharmaceuticals,” Siegel remarked. “That hopefully will change as a result of this because we’re going to end up with tremendous shortages of basic drugs, including antibiotics and blood pressure medication if this continues much longer in Wuhan.” Siegel concluded, “This is a wake-up call that we must make more of our pharmaceuticals here in the United States.” https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2020/03/01/dr-marc-siegel-on-coronavirus-ive-never-seen-an-emerging-contagion-handled-better/

The Trump Admin has a 4-prong approach to their task force dealing with Wuhan Flu. ONE portion of the problem relates to immediate procurement of drugs and supplies which are no longer made in the USA. Peter Navarro was tasked with this problem in Mid-January, slightly ahead of the official designation of the task force on January 31, 2020. Since then, Steve Mnuchin Sec of Treas, and others have been added to the Task Force as well as various aides.

February 23, 2020: Peter Navarro interview with Maria Bartiromo. He discusses China, Taiwan and India banned the export of face masks to reserve them for desperate residents. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/02/trump-trade-adviser-navarro-china-put-export-restrictions-on-n95-face-masks-then-nationalized-a-us-factory-that-produces-them-there-video/

Maria my job at the White House during this crisis is to review the supply chains we need to treat corona. There’s over 30 different elements just for that alone. And what I’ve learned so far and not surprisingly is that we’ve offshored far too much of our supply chain not just for corona but also for the essential medicines we need… In terms of the immediate issue face masks, the N95 face masks. China put export restrictions on those masks and then nationalized an American factory that produces them there. So we’re dealing with that in Trump time.


*****FDA list of Prescription Drug shortages, updated in February 2020. Many injectables. There’s also a link where they’ve extended expiration dates on several drugs. Still looking for OTC list, haven’t found yet. https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/drug-shortages Another source: https://www.drugs.com/drug-shortages/


The following sources detail many different published papers from all over the world. We’re looking for real and reliable information.

February 5, 2020: SARS-CoV-2 Cell Entry Depends on ACE2 and TMPRSS2 and Is Blocked by a Clinically Proven Protease Inhibitor https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)30229-4

• SARS-CoV-2 uses the SARS-CoV receptor ACE2 for host cell entry
• The spike protein of SARS-CoV-2 is primed by TMPRSS2
• Antibodies against SARS-CoV spike may offer some protection against SARS-CoV-2

The recent emergence of the novel, pathogenic SARS-coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) in China and its rapid national and international spread pose a global health emergency. Cell entry of coronaviruses depends on binding of the viral spike (S) proteins to cellular receptors and on S protein priming by host cell proteases. Unravelling which cellular factors are used by SARS-CoV-2 for entry might provide insights into viral transmission and reveal therapeutic targets.
Here, we demonstrate that SARS-CoV-2 uses the SARS-CoV receptor ACE2 for entry and the serine protease TMPRSS2 for S protein priming. A TMPRSS2 inhibitor approved for clinical use blocked entry and might constitute a treatment option.
Finally, we show that the sera from convalescent SARS patients cross-neutralized SARS-2-S-driven entry. Our results reveal important commonalities between SARS-CoV-2 and SARS-CoV infection and identify a potential target for antiviral intervention.


TCells/Biology 101 and why they are important: Let’s say you get a cut on your finger. Within a few days, the area becomes swollen and pussy. The white puss is dead T Cells (Lymphatic system) who died in honor of saving your body from the localized infection brought on by the cut. T Cells are the soldiers in your body who hunt down cells which should NOT be in your body and attack them. If T Cells are weakened, permanently, then you are vulnerable to disease. Body’s natural defense is compromised. Formal explanation: https://medium.com/@edwardnirenberg/sars-cov-2-and-the-lessons-we-have-to-learn-from-it-e2017fd5d3c

February 18, 2020: Patients who recover from Coronavirus may have problems with T-Cells. “CONCLUSIONS T cell counts are reduced significantly in COVID-19 patients, and the surviving T cells appear functionally exhausted. Non-ICU patients, with total T cells, CD8+T cells CD4+T cells counts lower than 800/μL, 300/μL, and 400/μL, respectively, may still require aggressive intervention even in the immediate absence of more severe symptoms due to a high risk for further deterioration in condition. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.18.20024364v1

Alveoli Sacs/Biology 101 and why they are important: Alveoli sacs collect oxygen in the lungs and deliver oxygen throughout the bloodstream. Lack of oxygen causes organs to die. COVID19 seems to cause damage to the Alveoli sacs, triggering an excess of mucus production, and impairs the transfer of oxygen to other organs. Formal explanation: https://medium.com/@edwardnirenberg/sars-cov-2-and-the-lessons-we-have-to-learn-from-it-e2017fd5d3c

Now that we understand how T cells function throughout our body and how Alveoli Sacs convert oxygen in our lungs to keep other organs healthy, read the following article below on autopsy results from COVID19 victims.

February 29, 2020: Global Times, important article: Valuable information discovered in the autopsies of deceased victims of Coronavirus. https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1181121.shtml

Autopsies show severe damage to COVID-19 patients’ lungs and immune system, according to a doctor in Wuhan reached by the Global Times, who called for measures to prevent fibrosis of the lungs at an early stage of the disease. (this is KEY!!!!)

“The influence of COVID-19 on the human body is like a combination of SARS and AIDS as it damages both the lungs and immune systems,” Peng Zhiyong, director of the intensive care unit of the Zhongnan Hospital of Wuhan University in Wuhan, told the Global Times on Friday. Peng …. talked to Liu Liang, a forensic specialist from the Tongji Medical College at Huazhong University of Science and Technology. Liu’s team has reportedly conducted nine autopsies on deceased COVID-19 patients as of February 24.

“The autopsy results Liu shared inspired me a lot. Based on the results, I think the most important thing now is to take measures at an early stage of the disease to protect patients’ lungs from irreversible fibrosis,” Peng noted. If irreversible damage is done, other measures, like those to prevent patients from oxygen deficit, will not be of much use, he said.

Liu’s team published a paper on an autopsy they conducted in the Journal of Forensic Medicine on Tuesday. The paper said there was apparent damage to the patient’s lungs. An excess production of mucus spilled out of the alveoli, indicating COVID-19 causes an inflammation response that damages deep airways and pulmonary alveoli. The patient, an 85-year-old man, exhibited similar pathological changes to those caused by SARS and MERS. Fibrosis in his lungs was not as serious as was seen in SARS patients, but an exudative reaction was more apparent, possibly due to the short course of his disease. News about the paper went viral on Chinese social media platforms on Friday.

Some news reports said that Liu’s team’s autopsies showed that sputum bolt is one the main reasons that caused COVID-19 patients’ deaths. Some medical staff have used sputum aspirators for patients based on the results, which led to a decline by half in the number of deaths in Wuhan on Wednesday.

The National Health Commission (NHC) said Wuhan reported 42 deaths on Tuesday and 19 on Wednesday. However, Peng doubted the reports, saying that he believes the decline was due to the improving situation and shrinking patients pool. “Even if the autopsy results are helpful, the effectiveness would not come out so quickly. It takes at least one week to observe,” Peng said. He warned that the number of deaths may rebound as he knows many critical patients in Wuhan have held out for one month but are still in danger and could die anytime. There were 6,775 critical patients in Wuhan as of Thursday and the number of deaths Wuhan authority reported on Thursday was 28, according to NHC.

The patient mentioned in the paper was hospitalized in January for a cerebral infraction, the death of tissue in the brain resulting from inadequate blood supply. He was confirmed to be infected with novel coronavirus 13 days later and died after a further 15 days. The autopsy was conducted within 12 hours of his death. No apparent pathological changes were found in his digestive system, spleen or brain, the report said. Liu’s team conducted the first on February 16, about a month after the outbreak. Liu previously told media that he and his team had proposed to the Wuhan government to conduct autopsies soon after the outbreak.

The government and local hospitals agreed on the necessity of autopsies but could not provide proper locations. They also worried about risks of viral transmission during such autopsies. Yang Zhanqiu, deputy director of the pathogen biology department at Wuhan University, explained that preparation and risk evaluation of the autopsy of COVID-19 patients is crucial, as it may cause containment of the hospital or medical members. Also, Chinese traditional thoughts of preserving the body of the deceased may hinder the autopsy process, which requires family consent, Yang told the Global Times.


How do we get ahead of the virus? How do we prevent fibrosis in the lungs?Here is great practical advice from a local infectious disease physician: By the time they have fever and/or cough and go to the hospital, the lung is usually 50% Fibrosis and it’s too late = patient will require Intensive Care and we need to keep as many people as possible OUT of our ICUs. Follow items below:

1. If you only have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold
2. Coronavirus pneumonia manifests a dry cough with no runny nose.
3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 79/80 degrees. It hates the Sun.
4. If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to the ground and is no longer airborne.
5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours – so if you come into contact with any metal surface – wash your hands as soon as you can with a bacterial soap.
6. On fabric it can survive for 6-12 hours. Normal laundry detergent will kill it.
7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink liquids with ice.
8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 minutes, but – a lot can happen during that time – you can rub your eyes, pick your nose unwittingly and so on.
9. You should also gargle as a prevention. A simple solution of salt in warm water will suffice.
10. Can’t emphasize enough – drink plenty of water!

1. It will first infect the throat, so you’ll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 days.
2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days after that.
3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing.
4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you’re drowning. It’s imperative you then seek immediate attention.

Follow a simple health test every morning which Taiwan experts provide:
Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you complete it successfully without coughing, without discomfort, stiffness or tightness, etc., it proves there is no Fibrosis in the
lungs, basically indicates no infection.

Excellent advice by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases: Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat are moist, never dry. Take a few sips of water every 15 minutes at least. Why? Even if the virus gets into your mouth, drinking water or other liquids will wash them down through your throat and into the stomach. Once there, your stomach acid will kill all the virus. If you don’t
drink enough water more regularly, the virus can enter your windpipe and into the lungs.
That’s very dangerous.

  • February 29, 2020: New England Journal of Medicine. Wohan flu. We extracted data regarding 1099 patients with laboratory-confirmed Covid-19 from 552 hospitals in 30 provinces, autonomous regions, and municipalities in China through January 29, 2020. The primary composite end point was admission to an intensive care unit (ICU), the use of mechanical ventilation, or death. The median age of the patients was 47 years; 41.9% of the patients were female. The primary composite end point occurred in 67 patients (6.1%), including 5.0% who were admitted to the ICU, 2.3% who underwent invasive mechanical ventilation, and 1.4% who died. Only 1.9% of the patients had a history of direct contact with wildlife. Among nonresidents of Wuhan, 72.3% had contact with residents of Wuhan, including 31.3% who had visited the city. The most common symptoms were fever (43.8% on admission and 88.7% during hospitalization) and cough (67.8%). Diarrhea was uncommon (3.8%). The median incubation period was 4 days (interquartile range, 2 to 7). https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2002032?query=RP
  • February 29, 2020: Hong Kong. A dog tested positive for Coronavirus. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/dog-in-hong-kong-tests-positive-for-coronavirus
  • March 1, 2020: “Undiagnosed and asymptomatic persons infected with coronavirus are not captured in data for quantifying mortality rates, explained Siegel, “Mild cases that are being undiagnosed make [coronavirus] seem more deadly.” In other words, only extremely sick people presented themselves at a hospital for medical care making the fatality rate appear higher. https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/03/01/2020-march1st-7th-coronavirus-covid19-xivirus-wuflu-6th-update-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-414981
Comparing Coronavirus to Ebola/SARS/MERS, etc. 10 minute video
  • March 3, 2020: Full Presser with Chair of WHO, found on Periscope here: https://www.pscp.tv/WHO/1zqKVloPyawJB
  • March 4, 2020: Gene sequencing by Beijing Ditan Hospital found coronavirus in the cerebrospinal fluid of a 56-year-old confirmed #COVID19 patient with encephalitis, which provides evidence that COVID19 can invade patients’ nervous systems, just like SARS and MERS. https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1235178507820347392
  • March 5, 2020: Although Coronavirus/WuFlu is a respiratory illness effecting the ACE2 receptors deep in lung tissue, please take risks to cardiovascular health. Details found here: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41569-020-0360-5#author-information
  • March 6, 2020: REGULAR FLU SEASON IN THE USA ~ From NBC. At least 34 million Americans have been sickened with the flu so far this season and an estimated 20,000 people have died from it, with the illness taking a higher-than-expected toll on children, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported Friday. As of Feb. 29, there also were 136 flu-related deaths in children reported this season. That total is higher than every season since reporting began in 2004-2005 with the exception of the 2009 pandemic, the CDC said.
  • March 6, 2020: From Japan, a study of results in treating the patients from the Diamond Princess Cruise Ship: ““The Japanese Association for Infectious Diseases (JAID) have published a report on their website detailing the symptomatic improvement and recovery seen following administration of inhaler-type medication used in the treatment of asthma to patients suffering from pneumonia as a result of the novel coronavirus.” Original source in Japanese found here: http://www.kansensho.or.jp/uploads/files/topics/2019ncov/covid19_casereport_200302_02.pdf Translation of report found at Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/fcohpi/japanese_clinical_group_publishes_case_studies/
  • March 6, 2020: Small study of 103 cases within China showing the virus can and has mutated. “In the study, a group of researchers in China analyzed the genomes of coronaviruses taken from 103 patients with COVID-19, the disease caused by SARS-CoV-2, in Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the outbreak. The team found differences in the genomes, which they said could be categorized into two “strains” of the coronavirus: the “L” type and the “S” type, the researchers wrote in the study, which was published Tuesday (March 3) in the journal National Science Review. Repeated here https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-mutations.html
  • March 19, 2020: Dysregulation of Immune Response in Patients with COVID-19 in Wuhan, China, 18 Pages, Posted: 2 Mar 2020 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3541136&fbclid=IwAR1uXGzYq6w5ROrrcTKFglNsxiiVsMOl_AqaY3DQnAS2Z0X7SMcpxAfi1fM
  • Background: In December 2019, a novel coronavirus, severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), emerged in Wuhan and rapidly spread throughout China. The immune response is likely to be highly involved in the pathological process of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). However, information on specific changes of immune response in COVID-19 are limited.
  • Methods: Demographic and clinical data of all confirmed cases with COVID-19 on admission at Tongji Hospital from January 10 to February 12, 2020, were collected and analyzed. The expression of lymphocytes, lymphocyte subsets, infection related biomarkers and inflammatory cytokines were analyzed and compared between severe cases and non-severe patients.
  • Findings: Of the 452 patients with COVID-19 recruited from January 10 to February 12, 2020, 286 were diagnosed as severe infection. The median age was 58 years and 235 were male. 201 patients had chronic diseases and a higher percentage in the severe cases. The most common symptoms were fever, shortness of breath, expectoration, and fatigue. Severe cases tend to have higher white blood cell and neutrophil lymphopenia ratio (NLR), as well as lower percentages of monocytes, eosinophils, and basophils. Most of severe cases demonstrated elevated levels of infection-related biomarkers, and inflammatory cytokines. The numbers of B cells, T cells and NK cells was significantly decreased in patients with COVID-19, and more severely decreased in the severe cases. T cells were shown to be most affected by SARS-CoV-2, and more hampered in severe cases. Both helper T cells and suppressor T cells in patients with COVID-19 were below normal levels. Helper T cells tend to be more affected in severe cases. The percentage of naïve helper T cells increased and memory helper T cells decreased in severe cases. Patients with COVID-19 have lower level of regulatory T cells, and more obviously damaged in severe cases.
  • March 27, 2020 – Posted from an ER MD in New Orleans: VALUABLE INFO

“I am an ER MD in New Orleans. Class of 98. Every one of my colleagues have now seen several hundred Covid 19 patients and this is what I think I know.

Clinical course is predictable. 2-11 days after exposure (day 5 on average) flu like symptoms start. Common are fever, headache, dry cough, myalgias(back pain), nausea without vomiting, abdominal discomfort with some diarrhea, loss of smell, anorexia, fatigue.

Day 5 of symptoms- increased SOB, and bilateral viral pneumonia from direct viral damage to lung parenchyma. Day 10- Cytokine storm leading to acute ARDS and multiorgan failure. You can literally watch it happen in a matter of hours. 81% mild symptoms, 14% severe symptoms requiring hospitalization, 5% critical.

Patient presentation is varied. Patients are coming in hypoxic (even 75%) without dyspnea. I have seen Covid patients present with encephalopathy, renal failure from dehydration, DKA. I have seen the bilateral interstitial pneumonia on the xray of the asymptomatic shoulder dislocation or on the CT’s of the (respiratory) asymptomatic polytrauma patient. Essentially if they are in my ER, they have it. Seen three positive flu swabs in 2 weeks and all three had Covid 19 as well. Somehow this ***** has told all other disease processes to get out of town.

China reported 15% cardiac involvement. I have seen covid 19 patients present with myocarditis, pericarditis, new onset CHF and new onset atrial fibrillation. I still order a troponin, but no cardiologist will treat no matter what the number in a suspected Covid 19 patient. Even our non covid 19 STEMIs at all of our facilities are getting TPA in the ED and rescue PCI at 60 minutes only if TPA fails.

Diagnostic CXR- bilateral interstitial pneumonia (anecdotally starts most often in the RLL so bilateral on CXR is not required). The hypoxia does not correlate with the CXR findings. Their lungs do not sound bad. Keep your stethoscope in your pocket and evaluate with your eyes and pulse ox.

Labs- WBC low, Lymphocytes low, platelets lower then their normal, Procalcitonin normal in 95% CRP and Ferritin elevated most often. CPK, D-Dimer, LDH, Alk Phos/AST/ALT commonly elevated. Notice D-Dimer- I would be very careful about CT PE these patients for their hypoxia. The patients receiving IV contrast are going into renal failure and on the vent sooner.

Basically, if you have a bilateral pneumonia with normal to low WBC, lymphopenia, normal procalcitonin, elevated CRP and ferritin- you have covid-19 and do not need a nasal swab to tell you that.

A ratio of absolute neutrophil count to absolute lymphocyte count greater than 3.5 may be the highest predictor of poor outcome. the UK is automatically intubating these patients for expected outcomes regardless of their clinical presentation.

An elevated Interleukin-6 (IL6) is an indicator of their cytokine storm. If this is elevated watch these patients closely with both eyes.Other factors that appear to be predictive of poor outcomes are thrombocytopenia and LFTs 5x upper limit of normal.

Disposition I had never discharged multifocal pneumonia before. Now I personally do it 12-15 times a shift. 2 weeks ago we were admitting anyone who needed supplemental oxygen. Now we are discharging with oxygen if the patient is comfortable and oxygenating above 92% on nasal cannula. We have contracted with a company that sends a paramedic to their home twice daily to check on them and record a pulse ox. We know many of these patients will bounce back but if it saves a bed for a day we have accomplished something. Obviously we are fearful some won’t make it back.

We are a small community hospital. Our 22 bed ICU and now a 4 bed Endoscopy suite are all Covid 19. All of these patients are intubated except one. 75% of our floor beds have been cohorted into covid 19 wards and are full. We are averaging 4 rescue intubations a day on the floor. We now have 9 vented patients in our ER transferred down from the floor after intubation.

Luckily we are part of a larger hospital group. Our main teaching hospital repurposed space to open 50 new Covid 19 ICU beds this past Sunday so these numbers are with significant decompression. Today those 50 beds are full. They are opening 30 more by Friday. But even with the “lockdown”, our AI models are expecting a 200-400% increase in covid 19 patients by 4/4/2020.

Treatment Supportiveworldwide 86% of covid 19 patients that go on a vent die. Seattle reporting 70%. Our hospital has had 5 deaths and one patient who was extubated. Extubation happens on day 10 per the Chinese and day 11 per Seattle.

Plaquenil which has weak ACE2 blockade doesn’t appear to be a savior of any kind in our patient population. Theoretically, it may have some prophylactic properties but so far it is difficult to see the benefit to our hospitalized patients, but we are using it and the studies will tell. With Plaquenil’s potential QT prolongation and liver toxic effects (both particularly problematic in covid 19 patients), I am not longer selectively prescribing this medication as I stated on a previous post.

We are also using Azithromycin, but are intermittently running out of IV.

Do not give these patient’s standard sepsis fluid resuscitation. Be very judicious with the fluids as it hastens their respiratory decompensation. Outside the DKA and renal failure dehydration, leave them dry.

Proning vented patients significantly helps oxygenation. Even self proning the ones on nasal cannula helps. Vent settings- Usual ARDS stuff, low volume, permissive hypercapnia, etc. Except for Peep of 5 will not do. Start at 14 and you may go up to 25 if needed.

Do not use Bipap- it does not work well and is a significant exposure risk with high levels of aerosolized virus to you and your staff. Even after a cough or sneeze this virus can aerosolize up to 3 hours.

The same goes for nebulizer treatments. Use MDI. you can give 8-10 puffs at one time of an albuterol MDI. Use only if wheezing which isn’t often with covid 19. If you have to give a nebulizer must be in a negative pressure room; and if you can, instruct the patient on how to start it after you leave the room.

Do not use steroids, it makes this worse. Push out to your urgent cares to stop their usual practice of steroid shots for their URI/bronchitis.

We are currently out of Versed, Fentanyl, and intermittently Propofol. Get the dosing of Precedex and Nimbex back in your heads.

One of my colleagues who is a 31 yo old female who graduated residency last may with no health problems and normal BMI is out with the symptoms and an SaO2 of 92%. She will be the first of many.

I PPE best I have. I do wear a MaxAir PAPR the entire shift. I do not take it off to eat or drink during the shift. I undress in the garage and go straight to the shower. My wife and kids fled to her parents outside Hattiesburg. The stress and exposure at work coupled with the isolation at home is trying. But everyone is going through something right now. Everyone is scared; patients and employees. But we are the leaders of that emergency room. Be nice to your nurses and staff. Show by example how to tackle this crisis head on. Good luck to us all.”


1. China does not have enough tests kits to document all suspected cases. The test can easily show a negative for people with the disease. Politically, China has good reason to lie. Also since it is a deep lung infection a cheek or throat swap can give a false negative. Coughed up sputum gives 11% more positives.

2. The virus attaches to ACE2 expressers deep in the lungs.
Men have 4 times as many ACE2 expressers as women and are 3 times as likely to get it.
Asians have 5 times as many as Africans/Europeans.One study seemed to indicate a physical – ethnic – vulnerability – more ACE2 receptors. – https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.26.919985v1.full

In early stats, (Jan2 – 41 people) less than half had underlying diseases BUT it does affect those with chronic inflammatory diseases including diabetes, hypertension, and cardiovascular disease (probably asthma too.)

3. Those without symptoms or with very mild symptoms can spread it. It can be spread via coughs, contact surfaces and with feces. Diarrhea is one of the possible symptoms. (Not good for San Fran-feces.)

Surface Survival of the Virus

4. We do not know how many without symptoms may have come over on early flights. Running a temperature many not appear immediately after contact with the virus.
”mean incubation period to be 6.4 (5.6 – 7.7, 95% CI) days, ranging from 2.1 to 11.1 days”

Revised: 6.4 –> 5.2 days. (~5 to 7 days) https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.02.20020016v1

”….time in hospital prior to death 10+ days I think for most of them….
…I have seen several references that said about 25% of confirmed cases get serious complications and something like 15% end up in ICU.”
 – Larry L.

76% of the confirmed 2019-nCov cases from 1 hospital in Wuhan required oxygen therapy.

5. According to MedCram US CDC/hospitals are using a SWAB (throat?) and 11 out of 178 tested positive. The problem is a throat or cheek swab while simpler to obtain, give false negatives while sputum samples are more reliable.

6. The first victim here in the USA required a long hospital stay of at least 2 weeks. He was still coughing after two weeks and therefore probably still infectious.

7. People the most at risk are 50 years and over with pre-existing chronic inflammatory diseases. (Patriot Nurse)

Mortality by age comparison between MERS, SARS and 2019-nCoV

TAIPEI (Taiwan News) summed it up this way:

…the Wuhan coronavirus has three features:

♦️ it is an RNA virus that mutates easily,
♦️ it is more contagious than SARS,
♦️ and it can spread from an asymptomatic person.

This means that even someone who has recovered from the virus can transmit it, making it more difficult to curb its spread.

As a result, Hsieh said it is possible that the virus could stay dormant in the body after recovery and come back to haunt the host in winter or when their immune system is weakened…. *



”There is a minimum effective infectious dose. Greater doses increases the likelihood of infection. This also affects the incubation period. The lower the exposure, the longer the time needed for the infection to get going internally; and with that, the longer it will be before that person becomes infections and/or shows symptoms. Recall that most symptoms are due to activation of the immune system, and not from the infection itself.” — cdquarles 

Masks don’t work like you think: “…..It’s no surprise that face masks are in short supply—despite the CDC specifically not recommending them for healthy people trying to protect against COVID-19. “It seems kind of intuitively obvious that if you put something—whether it’s a scarf or a mask—in front of your nose and mouth, that will filter out some of these viruses that are floating around out there,” says Dr. William Schaffner, professor of medicine in the division of infectious diseases at Vanderbilt University. The only problem: that’s not effective against respiratory illnesses like the flu and COVID-19. If it were, “the CDC would have recommended it years ago,” he says. “It doesn’t, because it makes science-based recommendations.” https://time.com/5794729/coronavirus-face-masks/

For the painter/farmer masks: (N95 or N100)
3m has p100 filters with no sorbents, such as #2091, and then I saw ‘improved’ version #2291 I think. The 2091 are bright fuscia. I think I’ve seen people ambulating near Stanford hospital sporting these as facial fashion. Much easier to breath, and very comfortable with the 7502 ‘faceplate’. I had no sense of ‘rebreathing’ or claustro.

How to properly wear a mask- short video in link: https://twitter.com/i/status/1221247891714514945


How to Put on and Remove a Face Mask 

Larry Ledwick  has a HOW TO
for homemade mask:




Explaining the vaccine process: USA Vaccine Product Approval Process:

A robust research effort is currently under way to develop a vaccine against Covid-19.10 We anticipate that the first candidates will enter phase 1 trials by early spring. Therapy currently consists of supportive care while a variety of investigational approaches are being explored.11 Among these are the antiviral medication lopinavir–ritonavir, interferon-1β, the RNA polymerase inhibitor remdesivir, chloroquine, and a variety of traditional Chinese medicine products.11 Once available, intravenous hyperimmune globulin from recovered persons and monoclonal antibodies may be attractive candidates to study in early intervention. Critical to moving the field forward, even in the context of an outbreak, is ensuring that investigational products are evaluated in scientifically and ethically sound studies.12

February 28, 2020 New England Journal of Medicine https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387

Remdisovir, an AIDS drug is being discussed and we have some reports of success. Peter Navarro of the Trump Administration indicated approximately 100K doses would be available by the end of February as manufacturer of the drug, Gilead Sciences gears up production.

Other experts woefully admit it will be difficult to create a vaccine for Coronavirus, and even if they could, if everything went perfectly, it would be at least November before a vaccine would be available. Here are a few sources discussing the issue:

  • February 28, 2020: Coronavirus outbreak: Vaccines/drugs in the pipeline for Covid-19: https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/analysis/coronavirus-mers-cov-drugs/
  • February 28, 2020: The first Covid-19 vaccine in China is expected to be ready for clinical trials by the end of April, according to Xu Nanping, China’s vice-minister of science and technology. Health officials from WHO have noted that Gilead’s remdesivir has demonstrated efficacy in treating the coronavirus infection. The US commenced clinical trials in humans at the University of Nebraska Medical Center to test the safety and efficacy of the drug. The first patient to be administered the drug is an evacuee from the Diamond Princess cruise ship. https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/analysis/coronavirus-mers-cov-drugs/
  • February 28th, 2020: The National Medical Products Administration of China has approved the use of Favilavir, an anti-viral drug, as a treatment for coronavirus. The drug has reportedly shown efficacy in treating the disease with minimal side effects in a clinical trial involving 70 patients. The clinical trial is being conducted in Shenzhen, Guangdong province. https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/analysis/coronavirus-mers-cov-drugs/
  • Very encouraging, February 28, 2020: Over 16 companies are working on vaccines., over 30 companies are working on treatment sofor symptoms. Dozens of universities and countries are working on treatments and vaccines. Here is the entire list and description of each. https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/analysis/coronavirus-mers-cov-drugs/
  • February 28, 2020: Ryan Saavedra, Daily Wire Israeli scientists are reportedly only a few weeks away from having developed the first vaccine to combat the coronavirus, which originated in China, and could have the vaccine available 90 days after that. “Congratulations to MIGAL [The Galilee Research Institute] on this exciting breakthrough,” Science and Technology Minister Ofir Akunis said, according to The Jerusalem Post. “I am confident there will be further rapid progress, enabling us to provide a needed response to the grave global COVID-19 threat,” Akunis said, referring to the disease caused by the novel coronavirus. A team of scientists at MIGAL had been working for years on a vaccine against an infectious bronchitis virus (IBV).
  • February 28th, 2020: Interview with Dr. Anthony Fauci, testing on vaccine will take place over next two months.

Always check Lancet Magazine, British publication, one of the most highly regarded institutions on subject of Coronavirus, discrediting rumor that this virus is anything but natural. AND rumors to such will make the problem more difficult to resolve….. (which sounds like a political statement).




  • February 28, 2020: Larry Kudlow gives a presser in the White House Briefing Room on Ecnomic Impact of Coronavirus.
  • February 29, 2020: President gives a Saturday Presser in the White House on Coronavirus. More travel restrictions: NO travel to Iran. NO people allowed into the U.S. who was in Iran for the past 14 days. Italy and South Korea: Level 4 Advisory against travel to these places. Working with other countries to set up and get running, medical screening facilities for foreign nationals who want to travel TO the U.S. Make sure that state / local medical facilities have the resources they will need. More supplies: “Average American does not need to go out and buy a mask.” Protect our healthcare providers. 43 MILLION masks on hand; 3M to provide millions more per month. Other medical supplies are in the process of being acquired. Provide “seamless” planning between medical facilities. (See USA Today video link below)
  • Sec. Alex Azar takes over from VP Pence. “Risk is Low and remains Low — but it can change rapidly.” Reminded that he said the virus would spread. Most people would have only milk symptoms. Stay at home and treat it like a very bad cold. Lower amount of travel to and from the most impacted areas. (See USA Today video link below)
  • Dr. Fauci takes over from Sec. Azar. Situation is evolving. “Community spread” — state and local health + CDC need to cooperate to trace and contact. U.S. as a whole is still at low risk BUT situation is evolving. Addressing the new challenge of Community Spread: POTUS gets credit for shutting off travel to/from Communist China. Contain from within and without. (See USA Today video link below)
  • New person (unknown) takes over from Dr. Fauci. New cases being evaluated aggressively. Early case recognition / contact tracing / isolation and quarantine. Re-emphasized that the risk to the U.S. public in general is low. (See USA Today video link below)
  • February 29, 2020: VP Pence gives and interview after being placed in charge of the Coronavirus task force.
  • February 29, 2020: CDC reports first death from COVID19 in Washington State. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html
  • February 29, 2020: Governor Inslee declares State of Emergency in Washington State, following first death of Coronavirus. Coronavirus cases of unknown origin found in California, Washington and Oregon “A second case of COVID-19 with an unknown origin was identified in Santa Clara county, California on Friday, and two other potential cases of unknown origin were identified in Oregon and Washington state. This indicates to health experts that the novel coronavirus — which causes the disease COVID-19 — is likely spreading through more than one community in the US.
  • February 29, 2020: First case of COVID19 found in Oregon. Ground Report ~ “We have the first case of covid here in Oregon this morning. It’s up north in Clackamas, a school teacher at Forest Hills elementary .they shut the school down yesterday and are in the process of notifying the parents. I live an hour and half from there down in southern oregon.i did stock up on vitamin C and and extra TP, I buy food for a month every month ,I don’t like shopping every week.getting meat tomorrow from a local ranch, extra bread all going into chest freezer. Bought 50 pd each of beans and rice ,won’t go hungry on those.been calming my kids down all week telling them to stop watching the news and helping them get extra food in.”
  • February 29, 2020: Proclamation on the Suspension of Entry as Immigrants and Nonimmigrants of Certain Additional Persons Who Pose a Risk of Transmitting Coronavirus https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/proclamation-suspension-entry-immigrants-nonimmigrants-certain-additional-persons-pose-risk-transmitting-coronavirus/?utm_source=link
  • March 1, 2020: Washington State ~ Ground Report. A worker in a South King County post office processing center is sick. They don’t handle mail there, they handle packages. I think they are closing that facility to disinfect it. Additional Ground report ~ Per the local news (Seattle) at 11:30pm there are 13 confirmed covid 19 cases in Washington (includes the two dead) and 5 schools will be closed tomorrow. We have 7 first responders and a fire station closed. ‘A US Mail distribution center had a virus employee. They closed it to bring in “deep cleaning specialists, ” with the plan being to open it again when done.
  • March 1, 2020: NYState reports first case of Coronavirus. Female in late 30’s who recently traveled to Iran. https://nypost.com/2020/03/01/first-case-of-coronavirus-confirmed-in-manhattan/
  • March 2, 2020: Texas, San Antonio. Ground Report ~ “I heard today that the ones brought in to San Antonio from the cruise ship and some from China have been in self quarantine for 14 days with no positives and have been released.” Can anyone confirm with source?
  • March 2, 2020: NYSE rises to highest single point gain ever, up 1,293 points on the day.
  • March 3, 2020: FED announces a 1/2 point rate cut to help the economy. Caused by Coronavirus issue. G7 finance ministers met last night.

March 3, 2020: CDC and NIH Briefing and visit from the President. CDC-NIH Briefing with PDJT – starts @ 55:00 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbr8gP4edfE

March 3, 2020: Dr Fauci and other health experts testify to the Senate on the issue of Coronavirus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1pbYEVQG7g

March 3, 2020: On this day, protocols for testing of COVID changed and expanded to respond to the death in California and the Washington state nursing home incident of several deaths. Heretofore, those tested were restricted to those who were coming in to the USA from overseas. The incident in CA and WA indicated to us there WAS coronavirus on the ground AND we had community spread. This means more people need to be tested and very soon, we won’t be able to track those who may potentially have had contact with an infected person. BEFORE this point, tracking of contacts was vitally important to STOP the spread. Once the virus is in the USA, it’s almost impossible to track and there are not enough bureaucrats in the world to create the spiderweb of our daily interactions. “Today we will issue new guidance from the C.D.C. that will make it clear that any American can be tested, no restrictions, subject to doctor’s orders,” Mr. Pence told reporters at the White House. Coronavirus Updates: U.S. Will Drop Limits on Testing, Pence Says. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/03/world/coronavirus-live-news-updates.html#link-79b1dbc8

March 3, 2020: CDC did not have a perfect test when tests were first shipped to state labs. The reagent was flawed and discovered after only a few hundred had been sent. “The C.D.C. botched the first attempt to mass produce a diagnostic kit, a discovery made only after hundreds of kits had been shipped to state laboratories. A promised replacement took several weeks, and still did not permit state and local laboratories to make final diagnoses.” and “Right now, I’d say we’d need more capacity,” Dr. Hahn said at the White House briefing. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/03/world/coronavirus-live-news-updates.html#link-79b1dbc8

March 4, 2020: Task Force Presser led by Pence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r20K2YshFlo

March 5, 2020: Pence and other members of the Task Force travel to 3M, maker of the N-95 Mask: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbttQeqPXbQ

March 5, 2020: The US Army holds a presser on the Coronavirus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AOqA4Gphw0

March 6, 2020: Press conference at the CDC in Atlanta. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxoPQMauQTs

Friday, March 6, 2020: Vice President Pence holds a task force presser.


*******Not an American response although Americans are involved. More like a Davos response from the UK countries working with American Pharma.


March 6, 2020: In a highly alarming video, Dr. Richard Hatchett, CEO of the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations was interviewed in the UK, and this video has been viewed over a million times in 36 hours. He refers to fighting the virus as a “war” in China, compares it to WW2. Reporter wonders if it’s impossible in the UK because “we” are too capitalist/globalist……. His statements of “virus fatality is over 1%”, or later on “between 1% to 3%”, goes against BOTH studies done in China, (the one for 1099 people and the 475 people, signifying a fatality rate of 4/10ths of 1% in China as opposed to American seasonal Flu of 1/10th of 1%), and the published results in the New England Journal of Medicine.

Hatchett later admits COVID fatality COULD be less than 1%, and admits Wuhan normally has a death rate of 1500 from seasonal flu, and in this case we had 2400. He is pushing confirmation bias, and is “extremely concerned about the spread” in the USA “because they (uses the word “they” even though he is an American) don’t have a unified healthcare system because of “embedded inequities and injustices in the USA” – worried about “those who don’t have health insurance” and “those who depend on the government to provide meals for their schoolchildren.” NOTE: The Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations is located in Oslo, Norway, and accepts DONATIONS. They study and develop vaccines for profit. Implies we need 7 billion vaccines and the virus will be with us for years. The reporter NOTES he has a vested interest…… and Dr. Hatchett insists he has been working dispassionately, “we’re only trying to secure funds for the vaccine for (this disease)”, and states he has oversight from the World Bank for grants, and/or will happily return any funds left over……….. while at the same time insisting it is “scarier” than SARS or MERS.

Think of it, CEPI was founded in 2017, and they already have loans from the World Bank.

Background on the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness (2017): ” The idea for CEPI was first outlined in a July 2015 paper in The New England Journal of Medicine, titled “Establishing a Global Vaccine-Development Fund”, that was co-authored by Jeremy Farrar, a Director of the UK-based Wellcome Trust.[3] The concept was further developed at the 2016 World Economic Forum (WEF) in Davos as a response to the problems encountered in developing and distributing a vaccine for the Western African Ebola virus epidemic.[1] Co-founder and funder, Bill Gates ……” Here is their WIKIpedia link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_for_Epidemic_Preparedness_Innovations

In January 2020, CEPI funded three teams working on a vaccine for SARS-CoV-2, being: ModernaInovio Pharmaceuticals, and the University of Queensland (UQ).[18][19] By February 2020, Inovio announced that it had produced a pre-clinical DNA-based vaccination to fight COVID-19 at its lab in San Diego.[20] Inovio collaborated with a Chinese firm to speed its acceptance by regulatory authorities in China for human trialing.[21] The strategy of the UQ team is to develop a molecular clamp vaccine that genetically modifies viral proteins to make them mimic the coronavirus and stimulate an immune reaction.[19][18]

In January 2020, CEPI announced a fourth SARS-CoV-2 project in a collaboration with their existing partner CureVac, to develop and manufacture a vaccine.[22] CEPI’s CEO, Dr Richard J. Hachett said in an interview with the FT that CEPI expected to have human trials within 16 weeks, but cautioned “All these timelines are aggressive and aspirational. As circumstances unfold there may be opportunities to reduce the timing but it is critically important that any new vaccine is safe and effective”.[8]

In February 2020, Bloomberg News, citing virologists, identified CEPI as a “key player in the race to develop a vaccine”;[2] a status other media outlets have attributed.[23][8] In reviewing vaccine development on the virus Vox said: “CEPI is a large part of why there are already dozens of Covid-19 vaccine candidates making their way through animal and human trials, as well as platforms to develop more”.[24]

(This is the interview linked above) In March 2020, Hachett gave an interview to Channel 4 News saying that “war is an appropriate analogy”, for the steps needed to counter the virus, and that “this is the most frightening disease that I have ever encountered in my career”, due to the virus’ unique combination of lethality and infectiousness.[25] Hatchett told The Daily Telegraph that coronaviruses are the most serious threat to public health since the Spanish flu, and that a vaccine will take up to 18 months to deliver at a cost of STG 1.5 billion.[26] Hatchett told Reuters that its funds for fighting the virus would be fully allocated by the end of March in its four existing projects, and that CEPI was launching a new funding call for USD 2 billion to support fighting the virus.[27][28][29]

  • March 24, 2020: (Special Update) On this day, Governor Andrew Cuomo held a press conference where he blasted the Trump Administration for not sending him enough ventilators. He asked for 30K ventilators and the Trump Admin sent 2,000 this day, and will send another 2,000 tomorrow. Cuomo responded, “What am I going to do with 400 ventilators (he meant 4K)” and then “Are you going to choose the 26,000 who are going to die?” Well, this is a horrible statement. Background shows Governor Cuomo was negligent and chose NOT to by the number of ventilators recommended to him to prepare for a pandemic.
  • The Silver Bullet for hyper-partisan Dracula Governor Andrew Cuomo.
  • Cuomo was advised to buy 16K ventilators in 2015 for his state to properly plan for a pandemic, but instead put together a “death panel” to ration use of the ventilators should there be a pandemic “similar to he Spanish Flu of 1918”. He didn’t spend the 576 million at the time.
  • Instead, he did things like a “Buffalo Boondoggle” investing 750 million in “green energy” ideas which resulted in failures.
  • This article was written by the former Lt Governor of New York.
  • https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/03/18/new_yorks_ventilator_rationing_plan_142685.html?fbclid=IwAR1wF2ITh_md1poawfrPgoP1g2W7jq47-WEqn3P2lxlB0O9HNE7H38RM_aY
  • Here is the actual report from New York on how they chose to ration care: Ventilator Allocation Guidelines https://www.health.ny.gov/…/…/docs/ventilator_guidelines.pdf


*****CHINA’s RESPONSE*****


Map of the provinces of China will help us get oriented. The province of Hubei and it’s capital of Wuhan are located the center of the country.
  • December 8th-9th, 2019: Taxi Cab drivers and physicians reported the problem in Wuhan as early as December 8th-9th. Dr. Li Wenliang died after contracting the virus while treating patients in Wuhan. In December, Li sent a message to fellow medical professionals warning of a virus he thought looked like SARS.Many have taken to posting under the hashtag “Can you manage, do you understand?” – a reference to the letter Dr. Li was told to sign when he was accused of disturbing “social order”.have taken to posting under the hashtag “Can you manage, do you understand?” – a reference to the letter Dr. Li was told to sign when he was accused of disturbing “social order”. He was told by police to “stop making false comments” and was investigated for “spreading rumors”. News of Dr. Li’s death became the top trending topic on Chinese social media, garnering an estimated 1.5 billion views. His death has also brought demands for action, with “Wuhan government owes Dr. Li Wenliang an apology” and “We want freedom of speech” among the hashtags trending, the BBC reported. Both hashtags were quickly censored. When the BBC said it searched Weibo early on Friday, hundreds of thousands of comments had been wiped. Only a handful remain. “This is not the death of a whistleblower. This is the death of a hero,” read one comment. https://www.worldtribune.com/coronavirus-the-latest-crisis-to-threaten-xi-jinpings-china-century/






  • February 28th, Azerbaijan has reported its first case of Covid-19. The patient was from Russia who arrived from Iran.






  • February 27, 2020: The Ministry of Civil Aviation, India, announced multiple preventive measures against the Wuhan coronavirus initially at 11 airports including Chennai, Vishakapatnam, Bengaluru, Bhubaneswar, Hyderabad, Cochin, Delhi, Mumbai, Amritsar, Kochi, and Kolkata. Thermal screening was extended to 20 airports with the infection spreading to other countries quickly. Arriving passengers that traveled to Chinese cities such as Wuhan in the preceding 14 days and having symptoms of the viral infection are being asked to provide a self-declaration, while international passengers from China and Hong Kong are being screened at the pre-immigration areas of the airports. Thermal cameras have been installed and airport signage being displayed at all the airports. Kerala is the state with the highest number of coronavirus suspects in India. https://www.airport-technology.com/features/coronavirus-measures-world-airports/


March 8, 2020 update on Iranian Officials infected.
  • March 9, 2020: About 4:30pm Eastern time, the Italian government announced a complete quarantine of Italy. All 60 million citizens on lock down, no one allowed to travel unless health or security related or some vital industries.




  • February 27, 2020: Restrictions on Euro travel to area of Italian outbreak. Prague airport in the Czech Republic has designated separate gates for all passengers arriving from Italy. Airport employees have been directed to closely monitor passengers arriving from Italy and report any signs of respiratory disease to airport security. Frequent disinfection of arrival gates, buses and other areas handling passengers from Italy are also planned. Bratislava airport in Slovakia has implemented strict screening measures for passengers arriving from Italy, who are required to fill out a questionnaire to enable officials to identify any suspected cases. Similar screening measures have been implemented at Marco Polo Airport in Venice, and airports in Bosnia, Serbia, Croatia, Moldova, and Albania for passengers arriving from China and Italy. Bulgaria has cancelled all flights to Milan, Italy and implemented screening measures at the Sofia airport.Budget airlines such as EasyJet and Ryanair are operating their flights as usual, despite the spike in cases in Italy. The airlines are not providing an option for cancellations although several passengers have criticised the operators for their policies. https://www.airport-technology.com/features/coronavirus-measures-world-airports/
  • March 4, 2020: The Italian government is to close all schools and universities around the country until mid March because of the coronavirus outbreak, Ansa news agency reports.
  • March 7, 2020: Dr. Faris Durmo MD., BSc.@Dr_FarrisD
  • 10 % Lombardy doctors are infected
  • AT least 1060 self-isolating at home
  • AT least 2394 hospitalized
  • AT least 462 intensive care
  • Of 197 at least 49 are ages (62-95 yo)
  • 4636 total cases 197deaths
  • Death ratio of 4.25 % from 2.5%
  • Approxim 9% admitted to ICU.

It’s actually 9% of the 20% who end up diagnosed, or about 2% of overall who have the virus. Fatality rate of 4/10ths of 1% agree with these numbers. Regular flu is 1/10th of 1%.

  • March 7, 2020: The Independent, reveals the scale of the impact on hospitals in Italy where 5,883 patients have been infected with the virus and 233 people have died as of 6pm on Saturday. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-italy-doctors-intensive-care-deaths-a9384356.html?utm_source=reddit.com
March 7, 2020. Italy’s borders closed 16 million in quarantine.
March 8, 2020, from 12:00-21:00 full discussion of Italy Quarantine.





North Korea:



San Marino:

March 1, 2020: Officially known as the Republic of San Marino, it’s a tiny country located within Italy, and east of Florence. San Marino has an unusually high number of cases of Coronavirus. 8X’s the amount of a NYC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_outbreak

Saudi Arabia: Mecca is empty as Saudi Arabia bans pilgrimage amid Coronavirus.


  • February 27: All passengers arriving in Malaysia are being screened for symptoms of coronavirus. Airline operators are also issuing Health Alert Card (HAC) to passengers to indicate their health status. Malaysia Airlines has cancelled many of its flights to Shanghai, Beijing and Hong Kong. Temperature screening has been introduced for all flights arriving at Changi and Seletar Airports in Singapore. Healthcare teams are screening passengers who look unwell at the aerobridges for inbound flights from China. Singapore Airlines and SilkAir have announced a reduction in services across their network due to weak demand, following the coronavirus outbreak. https://www.airport-technology.com/features/coronavirus-measures-world-airports/

South Korea:

  • March 2, 2020: Ground Report ~ “In Daegu, 1900 Shincheonji Church members have been tested for coronavirus. 1300 had symptoms & 600 did not.Among those 1300 with symptoms, 87.5% were confirmed with the virus. BUT out of the 600 WITHOUT symptoms, 70% were confirmed with the virus. Over 80 percent infected, and moving towards 100 percent, false negatives plus time. Really illustrates the absence of immunity of a brand new virus, whereas there is natural immunity in the population to the common flus. Imagine what is happening in China at those group quarantine bed facilities and at thousands of group elderly care facilities. ( And we are suppose to believe their numbers)”


  • December 31, 2019: Taiwan restricts flights from Wuhan. https://www.voanews.com/science-health/coronavirus-outbreak/why-taiwan-has-just-42-coronavirus-cases-while-neighbors-report
  • January 21: Taiwan reports first case of COVID19 https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/features/coronavirus-outbreak-responding-china-wuhan/
  • March 4, 2020: Taiwan only has 42 cases of COVID19. Why? Well, Taiwan had experience from SARS, where 73 people in Taiwan were killed from spread of disease from mainland China. The government first took notice of the virus in December as people in China began talking about it informally and started screening passengers. In response, the Centers for Disease Control (in Taiwan) started onboard quarantine of all direct flights from Wuhan on December 31. The centers said on its website that by January 9 it had “inspected” 14 flights with 1,317 passengers and attendants. The island’s only death, for example, was described as a taxi driver in his 60s with two existing medical conditions.
  • The USA was not informed by China at all until January 6, 2020, and the USA started medical screening at airports(over 42K of them) on January 21, 2020. USA formally restricted at the end of January (for which the Trump Admin took much criticism).
  • A perfect example of how China’s secrecy and disinformation has cost thousands of lives and trillions of dollars across the world.
  • Parliament approved a $1.96 billion stimulus package last month for companies shaken by the outbreak. President Tsai Ing-wen’s approval rating to 68.5% in February up from 56.7% in January and on par with what she polled right after taking office in 2016, a Taiwanese Public Opinion Foundation poll showed February 24. Local television network TVBS gave the government an 82% approval rating for its handling of the outbreak. https://www.voanews.com/science-health/coronavirus-outbreak/why-taiwan-has-just-42-coronavirus-cases-while-neighbors-report



United Kingdom:


  • March 24, 2020: (Special Update) On this day, Governor Andrew Cuomo held a press conference where he blasted the Trump Administration for not sending him enough ventilators. He asked for 30K ventilators and the Trump Admin sent 2,000 this day, and will send another 2,000 tomorrow. Cuomo responded, “What am I going to do with 400 ventilators (he meant 4K)” and then “Are you going to choose the 26,000 who are going to die?” Well, this is a horrible statement. Background shows Governor Cuomo was negligent and chose NOT to by the number of ventilators recommended to him to prepare for a pandemic.
  • The Silver Bullet for hyper-partisan Dracula Governor Andrew Cuomo.
  • Cuomo was advised to buy 16K ventilators in 2015 for his state to properly plan for a pandemic, but instead put together a “death panel” to ration use of the ventilators should there be a pandemic “similar to he Spanish Flu of 1918”. He didn’t spend the 576 million at the time.
  • Instead, he did things like a “Buffalo Boondoggle” investing 750 million in “green energy” ideas which resulted in failures.
  • This article was written by the former Lt Governor of New York.
  • https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/03/18/new_yorks_ventilator_rationing_plan_142685.html?fbclid=IwAR1wF2ITh_md1poawfrPgoP1g2W7jq47-WEqn3P2lxlB0O9HNE7H38RM_aY
  • Here is the actual report from New York on how they chose to ration care: Ventilator Allocation Guidelines https://www.health.ny.gov/…/…/docs/ventilator_guidelines.pdf




  • January 22, 2020: US CDC reported the first case of 2019-nCoV in the US, causing the benchmark S&P 500 index to slide 0.3% on the stock market, according to the Financial Times.
  • January 23, 2020: From Bloomberg. Wuhan, epicenter of Coronavirus outbreak, had a GDP of $213B in 2018, bigger than New Zealand. Lockdown casts economic cloud over China’s version of Chicago. It was moving into areas from chip-making to biomedicine & attracted Investment from 230 Fortune 500 firms. Honda Motor Co. is planing to evacuate staff & family from Wuhan. France’s PSA Group- Peugeot Cars & other brands, will also evacuate staffs. H&M has closed a total of 13 stores in the region. McDonald’s & Starbucks have closed locations without providing details. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-24/wuhan-virus-lockdown-casts-economic-cloud-over-china-s-chicago
  • January 27, 2020: Japan Times. Wuhan ranks #13 out of 2000 cities most important to China’s Supply Chain. Over 44 American companies have facilities in Wuhan including PepsiCo and Siemans. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/01/27/business/wuhan-virus-impact-business-travel-china/#.Xl0WDZ2SmM8
  • February 7, 2020: Airlines status update: Tara Donaldson reported for Sourcing Journal that FedEx announced “adjusted” service in “many provinces in China,” and said Friday that customers “might experience delay.” UPS cancelled 22 flights to China. American Airlines cancelled all flights to China through March 27, and Delta did the same through April 30. British Airways, Lufthansa, United Airlines and Virgin Atlantic, among others, have all made similar moves, and Cathay Pacific, which has its main hub at Hong Kong International Airport, said it will more than halve its flight capacity to mainland China through the end of March, Donaldson reported. https://geostrategy-direct-subscribers.com/informed-consensus-on-wuhan-virus-indicts-chinese-communist-party/

February 7th, warning (of course, we already knew):

“This is going to be a significant disturbance in the supply chain,” said Sean Maharaj, managing director of global management consultancy AArete. “We compare this to the impact of SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome), but the export capability and global merchandise manufacturing was significantly different in terms of not only the volume coming out of China, but the complexity of the supply chains.”

Taking transportation alone, any goods coming out of China will face export challenges. “This is going to be a major issue in terms of shipments. Longshoremen, cargo ships are going to be short of volume, there’s going to be way too much capacity…and excess capacity is pushing down already fragile rates,” Maharaj said, adding that this comes on top of tariffs that have already weighed on costs. Air freight quotes have already gone up.

“This will go all the way through to warehousing and everything we do to get production on shelves,” he said. With companies like FedEx and UPS already making moves to halt service, delays may be the least of the supply chain’s concerns. “Once providers like that go into crisis mode, we’re looking at more than delays,” Maharaj said. “We’re talking about cancellations and non-shipments. I don’t think we know where the bottom is on this.”

February 13, 2020. Satellite image of a half-dozen oil tankers idling off the coast of Shandong as oil delivers have slowed to a crawl in China. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-13/oil-tankers-idling-off-shandong-show-depth-of-demand-destruction
  • February 21, 2020: Auto Sales in China, down 92% in February, according to Gordan Chang/FOX Biz. https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/half-china-locked-car-sales-plunge-92
  • February 22, 2020: From Bloomberg. Coronavirus isn’t just about a short term supply chain problem. It exposes the weakness of globalism. Globalization Comes Under Fire Amid Xivirus Stress Test – “Do we..still depend at the level of 90/95% of the supply chain of China for the auto,drug,aero.. industry, or do we draw the consequences of that situation to ..be more independent & sovereign? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-22/globalization-comes-under-fire-amid-coronavirus-stress-test
  • Adidas and Reebok in Germany reporting sales down 90% in China. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaH79AEXMf8
  • Coal usage in China is down 50%. China gets 70% of electricity production from coal…. per Professor Christopher Balding, Fulbright Univ in Saigon, Vietnam – one of the world’s leading authorities on REAL measurement of China’s economy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYG8nglcx_o
  • Real Estate sales almost completely shut down. Gov’t revenue is highly dependent on real estate tax on sales. In a city of 20 million, we might see 5-10 sales a day. Professor Christopher Balding, Fulbright Univ in Saigon, Vietnam – one of the world’s leading authorities on REAL measurement of China’s economy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYG8nglcx_o
  • Local Transportation cars/trains running at 15-20% of normal, China economy flat-lining. Professor Christopher Balding, Fulbright Univ in Saigon, Vietnam – one of the world’s leading authorities on REAL measurement of China’s economy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYG8nglcx_o
  • Food Inflation up 10%, pork inflation up 100%. One of the biggest fears in China is famine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYG8nglcx_o
  • February 23, 2020: 85% of Chinese businesses on the brink and running out of cash. https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/it-will-be-really-really-bad-china-faces-financial-armageddon-85-businesses-set-run-out
  • February 24, 2020: Chinese consumption of crude oil falls to 12% of what it was one year ago. https://www.scmp.com/business/companies/article/3051784/shipping-lines-face-troubled-waters-oil-tankers-container
  • February 24, 2020: Amazon taking drastic action to get materials out of China and hold steady on Supply Chain (per Fox Biz, )
  • Feb 24, 2020: market opens down 997 points, begins slow slog back on fears of Coronavirus spreading outside China.
  • Toy Manufacturers concerned about Christmas items (last of our concerns right now)
  • February 24, 2020: Containers already in route to USA, carrying medical supplies, latex gloves, masks, surgical kits, etc., ordered returned to China. (FOX Biz)
  • February 24, 2020: Yield on the 10yr US Treasury bond almost hits all time low at 1.37% as foreign investors flood into safety of US Treasuries
  • February 24, 2020: Oil prices down, on report of oil use DOWN in China, we knew it weeks ago.
  • February 25, 2020: another 900+ points, down. Over-reaction and media pushing fear.
  • How many factory workers can survive 6 weeks without a paycheck?
  • Layoffs have begun in China to save the businesses
  • Chinese students in the USA report they cannot return home because mom/dad can’t afford to bring them home (not working), even if they could get a flight.
  • Hotel occupancy in Hong Kong is in single digits https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1Hud-ijzEo
  • 20% of Hong Kong restaurants expected to fail. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1Hud-ijzEo
  • January Chinese auto sales are down 20%+
  • Lumens (the measurement of light) at night from satellites over China is down 30-35% year over year https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1Hud-ijzEo
  • Railroad traffic, measured by satellite is almost at a standstill https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BvyBTMBR5c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1Hud-ijzEo
  • Reefer Units (a container which carries refrigerated goods) is plugged in when it arrives at port to maintain temperature. As of today, there are no more “plug-ins” available in the entire country. Shipping is at a standstill. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BvyBTMBR5c
  • Oil shipments have shut down. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BvyBTMBR5c
  • Approximately 80% of China’s export economy is shut down.
  • Farmers are having problems getting trucks to take their food supplies into towns for deliver…… system shutdown.
  • Under pressure from leadership, the Apple factory reopened…. but only 10% of the workforce showed up for duty. Other province governors have barred companies from reopening.
  • China agreed to “half” their tariffs on US goods, looking for economic relief from the USA
  • Japan’s economy contracted 1.6% as they face Coronavirus (and a dumb idea about imposing a higher local sales tax more responsible for Japan lag in economy than COVID-19)
  • South Korea shut down their Hyundai plant due to lack of parts manufactured in China.
  • Statistics and information coming out of China are highly questionable.
  • Feb 24th, 2020: northern Italy shuts down. Milan described as a “ghost town”. Venice Carnival is cancelled. Schools, museums, theaters, religious events, all closed until March 1st, and re-assess. 55% of Italy’s GDP comes from this region.
March 9, 2020. OPEC thought they had a deal to cut production but Russia backed away, leading to a freefall in oil prices Monday morning. Goldman Sachs says we might go to $28 a barrel during Coronavirus as demand subsides.

March 9, 2020: And then, the President came out and took the podium. Economics Looking for a payroll tax cut Will be helping certain industries, cruise, airlines, hotels. Hourly employees may receive benefit for lost wages, looking at it. Small business loans. Big deal. Fiscal policy shift Dow futures swung 400 points while he was talking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5527&v=j1XwFboi7bE&feature=emb_logo




We heard all kinds of rumors about the origins for COVID-19. First it was bat-soup, then Pandolins, but almost immediately we had a “conspiracy theory” about a bio-weapon accident/escape from a Level 4 lab in Wuhan, coincidentally close to the wet market. Did Coronavirus COVID-19 originate in Chinese bio-weapon lab? To this date no one knows the origin of the COVID19. Some scientists believe killer this strain may have begun in research facility within 10 minutes of the Wuhan wet fish market. Senator Tom Cotton raised the possibility, was criticized, and proven plausible by a study released on Feb 21st. Chinese Ambassador did not directly answer question in mid-February. Immediately the CCP media called out to discredit Senator Tom Cotton. Odd…… Here are articles discussing the possibility:

Chinese scientists believe the deadly coronavirus may have started life in a research facility just 300 yards from the Wuhan fish market. A new bombshell paper from the Beijing-sponsored South China University of Technology says that the Wuhan Center for Disease Control (WHCDC) could have spawned the contagion in Hubei province. ‘The possible origins of 2019-nCoV coronavirus,’ penned by scholars Botao Xiao and Lei Xiao claims the WHCDC kept disease-ridden animals in laboratories, including 605 bats.  It also mentions that bats – which are linked to coronavirus – once attacked a researcher and ‘blood of bat was on his skin.’





  • January 31, 2020: Dan Diamond of Politico writes article about the scale up and unprecedented response of the Trump Admin to combat and contain Coronavirus. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/31/trump-weighs-more-evacuations-of-americans-from-china-over-virus-109910
  • February 2, 2020: Immediately after ordering travel bans for those entering the USA after traveling in China, the criticism and charges of “racism” came from the media. “Sun Feb 2, the Trump Admin ordered U.S. travelers to China’s Hubei province to be held in a mandatory quarantine for two weeks, the anti-Trump article by @AliceOllstein at Politico quoted “healths experts” who said this will make it worse because people will hide their symptoms.”
  • February 4, 2020: Politico writer Dan Diamond (among many other MSM pundits) criticizes the Trump Admin for restricting travel from China….. because it’s racist. ” “The Trump admin’s quarantine and travel ban in response to the Wuhan coronavirus could UNDERCUT international efforts to fight the outbreak by antagonizing Chinese leaders, as well as stigmatizing people of Asian descent, according to public health experts and lawmakers.” The same Politico writer would later criticize the President Trump for not acting quickly enough on March 7th.  https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/04/coronavirus-quaratine-travel-110750
  • February 4, 2020: “WHO chief @DrTedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said Tuesday (Feb 4, 2020) that widespread travel bans and restrictions weren’t needed to stop the outbreak and could ‘have the effect of increasing fear and stigma, with little public health benefit.'” – https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/04/coronavirus-quaratine-travel-110750

February 25, 2020: On this day, Dr Nancy Messonnier, Rod Rosenstein’s sister, issued a statement from the CDC, and triggered perhaps the greatest and fastest selloff, market cap loss, in Stock Market history. Her boss’ boss’ boss, The Director of the CDC, would testify to Congress three days later, and said Dr. Nancy Messonnier “misspoke”. Here is the entire language of her dire statement:

It’s only a matter of time before the deadly new coronavirus spreads throughout the United States — and Americans should brace for the outbreak to upend their daily lives, federal health officials warned Tuesday.

“It’s not so much of a question of if this will happen in this country anymore but a question of when this will happen — and how many people in this country will have severe illness,” said Dr. Nancy Messonnier of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. “We are asking the American public to prepare for the expectation that this might be bad.”

So far, only 57 cases of COVID-19 have been confirmed in the US — the vast majority people who have been evacuated from an infected cruise ship in Japan and are being held in quarantine. But the virus has now infected more than 80,000 people worldwide — killing 2,708 — since emerging in China last year, and Messonnier warned that it won’t stay contained in the US.

“As more and more countries experience community spread, successful containment at our borders becomes harder and harder,” said Messonnier, the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. She urged families, schools, businesses and communities to ready themselves.

“I had a conversation with my family over breakfast this morning, and I told my children that, while I didn’t think they were at risk right now, we as a family need to be preparing for significant disruption of our lives,” Messonnier said.

In a severe outbreak, mass gatherings would be canceled, schools would be closed and companies would have to let their employees work from home, she said.

“The disruption of daily life might be severe,” Messonnier said. “We want to make sure the American public is prepared.” She said she contacted her children’s school district to ask about its plans for online learning, or “tele-schooling,” should the buildings need to shutter, as they did during the 2009 H1N1 outbreak. She urged other parents to do the same. “These are things that people need to start thinking about now,” Messonnier said. “You should think about what you would do for child care if schools or day cares closed.”

Health care professionals are also gearing up for the crisis to grow. Researchers are scrambling to create a cure and officials announced Tuesday that the first clinical trial in the US for a possible treatment is underway at the University of Nebraska Medical Center. Patients who are hospitalized with the disease and show at least moderate symptoms will be eligible to join the study, which will eventually include 400 patients at 50 locations around the world.

“The goal here is to help the people that need it the most,” said Dr. Andre Kalil, who will oversee the study.

  • February 26, 2020: AP Fact Checks Bloomberg and Biden and lies told on the campaign trail about Coronavirus, blaming President Trump. https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104
  • “He’s proposed cuts but Congress ignored him and increased financing instead. The National Institutes of Health and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention aren’t suffering from budget cuts that never took effect.” https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104
  • MIKE BLOOMBERG: “There’s nobody here to figure out what the hell we should be doing. And he’s defunded — he’s defunded Centers for Disease Control, CDC, so we don’t have the organization we need. This is a very serious thing.” — debate Tuesday night. https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104
  • JOE BIDEN, comparing the Obama-Biden administration with now: “We increased the budget of the CDC. We increased the NIH budget. … He’s wiped all that out. … He cut the funding for the entire effort.” https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104
  • THE FACTS: They’re both wrong to say the agencies have seen their money cut. Bloomberg is repeating the false allegation in a new ad that states the U.S. is unprepared for the virus because of “reckless cuts” to the CDC. Trump’s budgets have proposed cuts to public health, only to be overruled by Congress, where there’s strong bipartisan support for agencies such as the CDC and NIH. Instead, financing has increased. https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104
  • The CDC Grant Program is declining …… but that decline was set in motion by a congressional budget measure that predates Trump. Here is the entire article https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104
  • February 27, 2020: CDC Director Redfield testifies to Congress. Says Dr Nancy Messonnier (Rod Rosenstein’s sister) “misspoke” when she said “it’s not a question of if, but when”. Dr. Nancy Messonnier gave a dire statement on Tuesday which helped to trigger the stock market loss of over 3 trillion dollars. AND as soon as her statement was issued, a quick check showed 53 MSM articles pushing her statement and widespread panic. https://nypost.com/2020/02/27/cdc-director-downplays-claim-that-coronavirus-spread-is-inevitable/

The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Thursday downplayed a fellow CDC official’s warning that spread of the COVID-19 coronavirus in the U.S. is inevitable, saying she misspoke. CDC Director Robert Redfield told Capitol Hill lawmakers Thursday that Dr. Nancy Messonnier’s statement Tuesday belied the fact that risk remains low.

“I think what Dr. Messonnier was trying to say — I think it maybe could have been done much more articulately from what the American public heard — was she was trying to say it’s also a good time for us to prepare if we have to go to more mitigation,” Redfield told a House subcommittee.He added: “We’re still committed to get aggressive containment, and I want the American public to know at this point that the risk is low.”

Messonnier, director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, had warned: “We expect we will see community spread in this country. It’s not so much a question of if this will happen anymore but rather more a question of exactly when this will happen and how many people in this country will have severe illness. … Disruption to everyday life might be severe.”

President Donald Trump contradicted Messonnier in a press conference from the White Housing briefing room Wednesday, telling reporters: “I don’t think it’s inevitable. It probably will. It possibly will. It could be at a very small level or it could be at a larger level.”

The president reportedly fumed about Messonnier’s warning, blaming it for the economic repercussions that ultimately saw the stock market lose over 3,000 points this week……

  • February 28, 2020: Compilation of horrific media reporting a panic where there is none:

February 29, 2020: At a rally in South Carolina, the President talked about the disgraceful way the media has handled the threat of Coronavirus. He referred to the MEDIA hoax, which the media then immediately portrayed as “Trump is not taking Coronavirus seriously, he thinks it is a hoax” Not true, and this sentiment was re-iterated at his Presser over the weekend. Congressmen and Pundits jumped onto the pileup provoking this comment, “Everyone from Bill Kristol to Ted Lieu is spinning this as if Trump was saying that the corovirus itself is a hoax. Even Politico is jumping in. “At what point does this constitute a disinformation campaign, as opposed to media spin?” is a question we should all be asking.” ~~~~~ Here is the video clip. Decide for yourself:

Washington Post, completely irresponsible headlines during a medical crisis.
  • February 29, 2020: Did the market over-react? Trying to find a sense of humor in a 3600 point sell-off is difficult but here, we find it. Author posits the reason * A significant change in economic fundamentals * A significant increase in ‘risk’ to the fundamentals * The market’s financial plumbing is breaking down * A meteor or alien invasion to end global existence has been spotted but its arrival is unknown (or a virus pandemic) Nothing is wrong with the economy, so, we’re expecting the aliens to land on the White House lawn. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/stock-market-expert-says-what-many-are-thinking-as-dow-sheds-4100-points-in-a-week-this-market-is-not-normal-2020-02-28
  • February 29, 2020: Article reeks of political bias, creates division, and promotes fear within the public. Headlines such as “Trump’s Coronavirus Response Bedeviled by Missteps, Raising Risk” (Implying the Virus belongs to Trump or was caused by Trump, and that his actions threaten the public), which is from Bloomberg News, when Mike Bloomberg is running against President Trump (although the 2500 global Bloomberg journalists are prohibited from covering Mike Bloomberg for President). Within the article, the authors attempt to paint every part of the Trump Administration as inept. “Most crucially, President Donald Trump and the government’s health-care authorities have appeared in contradiction about whether the country should regard the outbreak as a threat. (When the Trump Admin declared a Public Health Emergency a month prior)The president has repeatedly said the risk is low, even assuring Americans that they’re unlikely to die from an infection. While that’s true, the CDC has said an American outbreak would likely cause widespread disruptions in everyday life, including closed schools and canceled business meetings. (Note the use of “would likely cause” – author is speculating, and assigning blame to the President for what MAY BE necessary steps to keep the population safe. How would this be a “misstep”, and wouldn’t the administration be negligent if they did not take precautions?) https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-29/trump-s-coronavirus-response-bedeviled-by-missteps-raising-risk

February 28, 2020: Dr. Drew, furious with the media for their panic-style reporting on the threat of COVID19.

  • February 29, 2020: President holds a presser with his task force members on Coronavirus. Media asks many questions. Good chance to debunk much of the false information in the media.

Questions now from the “Press”
First question — trying go bash POTUS over calling the virus as a “hoax”. He shut that down.
Next — “Dr. Fauci was being muzzled” — POTUS shut that down. DR. FAUCI GOES TO THE MIC AND SAYS THAT HE WAS NEVER SHUT DOWN OR MUZZLED.
Next — Close the southern border? POTUS — “considering it very strongly”
Next — how do Americans prepare? Dr. Fauci — ” go on with their normal lives”
Next — U.S. troops in South Korea? POTUS — in touch in the generals and their government
Next — ANOTHER one trying to bash POTUS over “hoax” — POTUS shut is own AGAIN — word was abused by the DemComs
Next — People going about their normal lives — what about you and VP Pence? POTUS — we’re going to be in good shape. We’re getting around.
Next — to Dr. Fauci: what about morbidity? Dr. Fauci — look at the totality of the cases: 75 % – 80% do well. 15 % – 25 % will need more care: these people are elderly and/or have chronic underlying conditions. HOWEVER — you’ll see a “one-off” once in a while. This happens with influenza once in a while. Questions: Any “variants” — a person gets the virus, recovers, and gets it again? Dr. Fauci — he believes this will not happen.
Next — Taliban deal? POTUS — Everybody wanted this to happen. The Taliban wanted it to happen. We’ll see how it all works out. They have big incentives to make it work out. Time for our people to start coming home.
Next — Similar measures in U.S. like there are going on in China? POTUS — Xi is working very hard in China. Starbucks open again, Apple back to production.
Next — The woman who died: no evidence to link to travel. // restricting travel WITHIN the U.S.? — we’ll communicate what is decided.
Next — closing the southern border since there are only 2 cases in Mexico? POTUS — we may have to consider closing all borders, are communicating with both neighbors.
Next — trying to use John Bolton comments to bash POTUS. POTUS shuts it down

  • February 29, 2020: Ill-informed media and public anxiousness has led to a “run” to buy surgical masks. According to the US Surgeon General, the mask is a waste of effort (unless you are the sick person) and panic buying is creating shortages for hospital staff who really needs masks.
  • February 29, 2020: Patient with corona virus describes what to expect from a hospital visit. He is high risk because of a previous organ transplant. So far, he had to drink a ot of Gatorade but not as bad as anticipated.

(((( Update on the man above. As of March 8, 2020 he is completely recovered and did an interview on FOX))))

  • March 1, 2020: Though Trump said the threat to US citizens from Covid-19, claiming more than 2,800 lives to date globally, is very low, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), Nancy Messonnier, pointed out in a press conference on Tuesday that it is only a matter of when, not if, the coronavirus will start spreading more widely in the US. The CDC itself is facing criticism for slow testing protocols and not providing enough virus testing kits, resulting in very few tested cases in the US. However, the ongoing influenza and cold season make diagnosing the new coronavirus more difficult. https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/features/coronavirus-outbreak-responding-china-wuhan/
  • March 1, 2020: Dr Marc Siegel. “Asked about news media conduct regarding coronavirus, Siegel said, “They’re certainly not helping because they’re hyping, and the hyping leads to hysteria.” https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2020/03/01/dr-marc-siegel-on-coronavirus-ive-never-seen-an-emerging-contagion-handled-better/
  • March 1, 2020: Dr Marc Siegel. Siegel praised the Trump administration’s personnel selection for its coronavirus task force, headed by Vice President Mike Pence. “The task force are really top players,” said Siegel, noting the task force’s inclusion Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Health’s (NIH) infectious disease. Fauci is “one of the top infectious disease experts in the country,” he noted. Siegel noted the coronavirus task force’s inclusion of CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield, a virologist, and Dr. Nancy Messonnier (Rod Rosenstein’s sister), an expert in vaccines. “They’ve been doing exactly what they’re supposed to be doing,” said Siegel of the Trump administration’s measures towards protecting Americans from the coronavirus. “[They are] restricting travel, isolating patients who are sick and, trying to cut down on contact. It’s a very hard thing to do when people are pouring in from all over the world.” https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2020/03/01/dr-marc-siegel-on-coronavirus-ive-never-seen-an-emerging-contagion-handled-better/

March 5, 2020: At times, the media reporting has been completely opposite of advice from the CDC or the White House Task Force, and the President finds it necessary to personally and directly correct the false reporting:

March 5, 2020: Pennsylvania is going to test for coronavirus at its Exton lab. This prompted me to look into who runs the Exton lab. It’s run by a Dongxiang Xia, MD. It wasn’t easy to find information about this man, but a medical conference he attended in 2017 had a short biography about him. “Dr. Xia received his Medical Degree at Nanjing Medical University and his PhD in microbiology at the Fourth Military Medical University in China.https://www.wgal.com/article/pennsylvania-begins-coronavirus-testing-at-state-owned-lab-in-exton/31214431

March 6, 2020: Extortion from China is our real threat. Holding pharmaceuticals. How could we have been so stupid? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqDrZYNafAg

  • March 7, 2020: Dan Diamond from Politico, the same writer from the same outlet who criticized Trump Admin for their early and unprecedented response to Wuhan Flu now claims the Trump Admin is late to respond. There have been many media reports which promote disinformation and reek of bias, but the Politico article from March 7, 2020 is an award winner in this category and blames the President for making the problem worse. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/07/trump-coronavirus-management-style-123465 Comparing and contrasting the articles from one reporter, Dan Diamond, at a single outlet like POlitico, has been noted example of media bias and disinformation promulgated by the media to harm the Trump Admin, rather than doing the job of reporting facts to the general public, see here the compare/contrast: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1236535783605121026.html

March 9, 2020: Dan Purser and his wife were passengers aboard the Diamond Princess which was quarantined in Japan. In this video he talks about the process for he and his wife and gives first hand information on what to expect from the Coronavirus from someone who had it. Very informative:


March 24, 2020: Story comes out about an Arizona couple who read the story of Chloroquine and searched the house for items containing the drug. They drank a cleaner meant for restoring koi fish ponds. Husband died and wife in intensive care……. blaming President Trump. The entire media jumped on the story. Axios removed their original article blaming Trump because it did not present the whole story, but many outlets persisted with the wild story. AND the Governor of Nevada signed an order BANNING the use of Chloroquine until it could be tested more thoroughly. Foolish and ill-informed.

  • March 24, 2020: (Special Update) On this day, Governor Andrew Cuomo held a press conference where he blasted the Trump Administration for not sending him enough ventilators. He asked for 30K ventilators and the Trump Admin sent 2,000 this day, and will send another 2,000 tomorrow. Cuomo responded, “What am I going to do with 400 ventilators (he meant 4K)” and then “Are you going to choose the 26,000 who are going to die?” Well, this is a horrible statement. Background shows Governor Cuomo was negligent and chose NOT to by the number of ventilators recommended to him to prepare for a pandemic.
  • It would be the Silver Bullet for hyper-partisan Dracula Governor Andrew Cuomo and any aspirations he may have to replace Joe Biden as the Dem Nominee for President in Novemeber.
  • Cuomo was advised to buy 16K ventilators in 2015 for his state to properly plan for a pandemic, but instead put together a “death panel” to ration use of the ventilators should there be a pandemic “similar to he Spanish Flu of 1918”. He didn’t spend the 576 million at the time.
  • Instead, he did things like a “Buffalo Boondoggle” investing 750 million in “green energy” ideas which resulted in failures.
  • This article was written by the former Lt Governor of New York.
  • https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/03/18/new_yorks_ventilator_rationing_plan_142685.html?fbclid=IwAR1wF2ITh_md1poawfrPgoP1g2W7jq47-WEqn3P2lxlB0O9HNE7H38RM_aY
  • Here is the actual report from New York on how they chose to ration care: Ventilator Allocation Guidelines https://www.health.ny.gov/…/…/docs/ventilator_guidelines.pdf
  • In fact, Governor Cuomo put together a death panel to decide who would die during a pandemic, because he chose to spend taxpayer dollars on his Green Agenda…. which failed.




Important Tips on How to Properly Use Bleach: https://sheltermedicine.vetmed.ufl.edu/files/2011/10/Guidelines-for-Using-Bleach-updated.pdf

Better Homes and Gardens: Here’s Everything You Need to Clean After the Flu (and How to Disinfect Your Home) Better Homes and Garden – 11/06/19 – Great article with video! https://www.bhg.com/homekeeping/house-cleaning/tips/flu-season-cleaning-home/

The One Disinfecting Step You’re Probably Doing Wrong “To correctly disinfect a countertop, for example, the surface needs to be visibly wet for four minutes. That will probably take more wipes than you’re used to using while you clean. Sanitizing, on the other hand, only requires the surface to be visibly wet for ten seconds. In both cases, you should let the surface air dry.” https://www.bhg.com/news/disinfecting-mistakes/

List of effective cleaners and disinfectants from AmericanChemistry.com: https://www.americanchemistry.com/Novel-Coronavirus-Fighting-Products-List.pdf?mod=article_inline

For the chemists among us. Here is a site that explains how to make aspirin. https://www.thoughtco.com/how-to-make-aspirin-acetylsalicylic-acid-606315

Home made Hand Sanitizer Recipe

1 TBSP rubbing alcohol
1/2 tsp vegetable glycerin (optional)
1/4 cup aloe vera gel
10 drops cinnamon essential oil
10 drops tea tree essential oil
Distilled water (colloidal silver/ionic silver adds antibacterial power if available)
other essential oils (just for scent)
To make, mix aloe vera gel, optional glycerin, and rubbing alcohol in a small bowl.
Add cinnamon essential oil and tea tree oil along with a drop or two of any other oils you want to add for scent. Lemongrass, orange, lavender, and peppermint are good choices.
Mix well and add distilled water (or colloidal/ionic silver) to thin to desired consistency.
Transfer into spray, squeeze or pump bottles. NOTES – Rule of thumb – the more alcohol – the higher potency.

Do Hand Sanitizers work?: https://whatkillsit.com/virus/do-hand-sanitizers-work-and-can-they-kill-human-coronavirus/

High dose Vit C for anti viral activity. Nutritional Treatment of Coronavirus

Orthomolecular Medicine News Service, Jan 30, 2020 recomends, VERY HIGH levels of Vitamin C.Please read the whole article. At the bottom are references and recommended reading.

In summary:

What dosage?
Vitamin C fights all types of viruses. Although the dose should truly be high, even a low supplemental amount of vitamin C saves lives. This is very important for those with low incomes and few treatment options. For example, in one well-controlled, randomized study, just 200 mg/day vitamin C given to the elderly resulted in improvement in respiratory symptoms in the most severely ill, hospitalized patients. And there were 80% fewer deaths in the vitamin C group. [7]
…The sicker a person was, the more ascorbic acid they would tolerate orally without it causing diarrhea. In a person with an otherwise normal GI tract when they were well, would tolerate 5 to 15 grams of ascorbic acid orally in divided doses without diarrhea…..
But to best build up our immune systems, we need to employ large, orthomolecular doses of several vital nutrients. The physicians on the Orthomolecular Medicine News Service review board specifically recommend at least 3,000 milligrams (or more) of vitamin C daily, in divided doses. Vitamin C empowers the immune system and can directly denature many viruses. It can be taken as ascorbic acid (which is sour like vinegar), either in capsules or as crystals dissolved in water or juice. It can also be taken as sodium ascorbate, which is non-acidic. To be most effective, it should be taken to bowel tolerance. This means taking high doses several (or many) times each day. See the references below for more information….

Magnesium: 400 mg daily (in citrate, malate, chelate, or chloride form)…..

Vitamin D3: 2,000 International Units daily. (Start with 5,000 IU/day for two weeks, then reduce to 2,000)…..

Zinc is a powerful antioxidant and is essential for many biochemical pathways. It has been shown to be effective in helping the body fight infections. [20,21] A recommended dose is 20-40 mg/day for adults….

Selenium:100 mcg (micrograms) daily…..

B-complex vitamins and vitamin A: A multivitamin tablet with each meal will supply these conveniently and economically…..
Nutritional supplements are not just a good idea. For fighting viruses, they are absolutely essential

What Does Taking Massive Amounts of Vitamin C Do to Your Body?


Debunking of side effects:

From a fellow Q-Treeper (sorry I did not keep the Id) I have added the studies verifying the claims.

A VERY over-simplified version of how viruses work, immune boosting, and what you can do NOW. This is esp helpful for at risk age groups, but good for everyone.

Those spikes you see on virus pics allow it to puncture your cell wall and use the inside of your cell for food. Immune boosters help strengthen your cell wall, among other things.

Details on Vitamin D – a bit on Vit-D from a clueful M.D. Thesis that Vit-D might help avoid cytokine storms and protects in respiratory disease. May cut risk of infection in half with REGULAR supplements. Not big bolus.”In other words DO NOT TAKE TOO MUCH VITAMIN D3. Too Much is worse than useless!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmqgGwT6bw0&w=640&h=360

Additional Vitamin D information about how it helps protect immunity (COVID19 specifically attacks TCells which protect immunity): https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=W5yVGmfivAk&feature=emb_logo

ELDERBERRY SYRUP – (Sambucus n.) Strengthens your cell walls, and is shown to bind to flu viruses, preventing them from invading cells and replicating.

The Effect of Sambucol, a Black Elderberry-Based, Natural Product, on the Production of Human Cytokines: I. Inflammatory Cytokines
V Barak 1, T Halperin, I Kalickman
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PMID: 11399518

Sambucus nigra L. products – Sambucol – are based on a standardized black elderberry extract. They are natural remedies with antiviral properties, especially against different strains of influenza virus. Sambucol was shown to be effective in vitro against 10 strains of influenza virus. In a double-blind, placebo-controlled, randomized study, Sambucol reduced the duration of flu symptoms to 3-4 days. Convalescent phase serum showed a higher antibody level to influenza virus in the Sambucol group, than in the control group. The present study aimed to assess the effect of Sambucol products on the healthy immune system – namely, its effect on cytokine production. The production of inflammatory cytokines was tested using blood – derived monocytes from 12 healthy human donors. Adherent monocytes were separated from PBL and incubated with different Sambucol preparations i.e., Sambucol Elderberry Extract, Sambucol Black Elderberry Syrup, Sambucol Immune System and Sambucol for Kids. Production of inflammatory cytokines (IL-1 beta, TNF-alpha, IL-6, IL-8) was significantly increased, mostly by the Sambucol Black Elderberry Extract (2-45 fold), as compared to LPS, a known monocyte activator (3.6-10.7 fold). The most striking increase was noted in TNF-alpha production (44.9 fold). We conclude from this study that, in addition to its antiviral properties, Sambucol Elderberry Extract and its formulations activate the healthy immune system by increasing inflammatory cytokine production. Sambucol might therefore be beneficial to the immune system activation and in the inflammatory process in healthy individuals or in patients with various diseases. Sambucol could also have an immunoprotective or immunostimulatory effect when administered to cancer or AIDS patients, in conjunction with chemotherapeutic or other treatments. In view of the increasing popularity of botanical supplements, such studies and investigations in vitro, in vivo and in clinical trials need to be developed.

ASTRAGALUS – Helps increase the bodies production of interferon, and, reduces water retention.

ECHINACEA p. – Provides inulin, which improves white cells ability to fight in part by increasing properdin, increases and activates white cells, signals the body to release interferon.

VITAMIN C – Helps the red blood cells transport oxygen thru the body.
Your lymphatic system runs along (mostly) the same paths that your blood vessels use. However, your lymph system doesn’t have a “pump” the way your blood vessels have your heart to move things along. Your lymphatic system helps with your blood system to drain out the debris from your dead cell walls, dead virus cell, and white cells, etc. Keeping your lymphatic system clear of debris is why you are told to drink lots of fluids when you get sick. That junk needs to be urinated out, to keep the lanes clear for more white cells to attack the virus. There are also simple excercises that “pump” your lymphatics. These are all online. If you catch a virus, there are more things to add that may help.

So, if you get sick:
INCREASE YOUR IMMUNE BOOSTERS!!! like, every couple hours or so.
Drink LOT of fluids

Add STEROIDS to help reduce inflammation if necessary. This can be prescribed or LICORICE HERB (not the candy, sorry!) can be used.

NETTLES – Anti-histamine, anti-inflammatory, and diuretic. Is helpful with drying up runny noses, too!

…Phenolic compounds could be defined as biologically active and herbal and have positive effects on health. The scientific researches are increased about the positive effect of phenolic compounds into coronary heart disease and high blood pressure, diabetes, cancer, inflammative, viral and parasitic disease, psychotic disorders


DANDELION – A strong diuretic, has Vitamin C and potassium. (Most diuretics take out potassium along with the urine.)

For fever, Tylenol or Motrin. Some people don’t do fever control, as the higher temperatures help kill the virus, but I have seen seizures happen from this, so I think fever control is a good thing. Also, if your body is fight aches and fever, those are cells which can be helping fight the virus instead.
Again, very over-simplified, but some steps you can be taking NOW, and some herbs you can look into to see what may work for you and yours.

There are a lot of sites like this:
15 Foods That Boost the Immune System




From the Doctor’s MOM ~ ~ ~ I saw my son today and he shared his insight about the virus with me.
1) wash your hands do not touch your face.
2) get a flu shot if you did not get one.
3) eat a good diet and get proper rest not to get run down
4)do not touch doorknobs keep environment clean
5)when you feel sick have a fever go to the doctor
6)no need to wear a face mask unless you are sick.
My son is a research scientist works in the medical center in Ann Arbor has great experiences with viruses and has a PhD .
This was his advice to me but he said each person needs to do what they think but much bad advice out there.
Unless we find out more this was the advice.
He said our medical teams are better our high gene is better and diet
is better than China.
He was upset how the media is scaring people.






A New Kind of Warfare, a Bio-War, or Sudden Contagion:

The idea of a “Bio-Corridor” upon entry into the USA is being openly discussed within the halls of Congress. This is an entirely new way of thinking and we need time to wrap our heads around the idea. Our goods go through a Customs screening but systems need to be updated and adapted for medical risk. Recently, we’ve seen illegal immigrants bringing measles, smallpox, polio, tuberculosis into our country, diseases which were eradicated in the USA. A virus like COVID-19 is similar in in RO factor to Measles, but far more hazardous in risk to our citizens and economy. This makes LEGAL border adherence and a strict immigration policy mandatory…… just like those who came through Ellis Island long ago.

Health security has become national security and a globalist economy which only pursues short term profits has left us woefully unprepared. We can’t manufacture penicillin anymore nor Vitamin C. Our last aspirin factory left the USA in 2004. We have ONE factory which makes surgical masks and sterile disposable operating room kits. And did you know a Chinese manufacturer recalled 9 million surgical kits exported to the USA………. because they were contaminated.

With President Trump, we rebuilt a depleted military to fight conventional wars. We also turned our attention to the new war for the 21st century, the cyber war. Our enemies, specifically China, don’t need to devote billions to R&D and testing when they can merely steal our weapons systems for pennies on the dollar. Yet, how do we prepare for this war, the bio-war? Our supply chain and food supply must change. The USA is an MEGA exporter of Agri-products, BECAUSE our procedures and safety protocols are the best. We need country of origin labels on our food. Our ability to manufacture medicines must change. And China’s balance sheet and CCP subsidies must be dealt with, severely.

Here’s how the problem was created: Since China joined the WTO, they have successfully targeted entire industries to become the manufacturer to the world. In the USA, the “west”, and even India, companies operate on a profit/loss statement. They have to make money, otherwise, they go out of business. To gain dominance, China offers subsidies to their industries in the form of free energy, free water, capitol to build a factory, free land, or the most common way…. rolling of their bank loans. Remember, a rolling bank loan carries no loss. With this amount of subsidy, no private company in the USA/Belgium/ or India or Canada could possibly compete….. which is why Wall Street sent our factories to China.

Most economists believe China is carrying about 40-45 trillion in debt, about 3.5x’s their annual GDP, an amount equal to the USA having an 88 trillion dollar debt load. Everything ticks along nicely in China as long as the debt never comes due……….. With COVID-19, the debt is coming due. President Trump must balance the contagion threat to our citizens while trying to make sure China ‘s economy does not collapse.


February 29, 2020: Bigger Problem of Overloading our Healthcare System. Excellent article from Adam Wren, heavily sourced. Big picture strategy. https://medium.com/@amwren/forget-about-the-death-rate-this-is-why-you-should-be-worried-about-the-coronavirus-890fbf9c4de6

The potential for the healthcare system to be overwhelmed is very real.
If our hospitals are overwhelmed how many will die from unrelated conditions because they can’t get access to healthcare?
How many will die because of shortages of medication?
The limited availability of beds in Wuhan raised their mortality rate from 0.16% to 4.9%
This is why the Chinese government built a hospital in a week. Are our governments capable of doing the same?
The virus is not the main danger, our unprepared medical system and fragile supply chains are.
How many people are going to be prevented from going to work because of quarantine?
The FDA this morning reported the first Drug Shortage in the US caused by the coronavirus.


Problem with Different Political Systems and Sanitation/Hygiene in Other Countries

As I watched my neighbor put her dog’s poop in a single-use plastic baggy, I thought about split pants in China. When my wife and I got off the plane, 18 years ago, to adopt our first daughter, we were taken aback by the split pants. Split pants are (or at least were, back then) pants the children wear that are open in the crotch area. That allows them to urinate or defecate unobstructed, onto the street or wherever they may be. The theory is that eventually they will learn to “aim it at the toilet” or something to that effect.

Either way, I distinctly remember my brand new Nike slip-ons (probably made not far from where I was standing) sloshing into a mix of urine and who knows what else, and continuing to do so for the next three weeks. As I started feeling the cough coming on, I remember one of the women in our group saying, at one of the airports (as she too, stepped into urine) “The people in this country probably have built up antibodies inside them our bodies have never even thought about.”

I replayed that line in my head for the next three weeks, as I descended into night sweats, fevers and a cough like I’ve never experienced.

. . . Then, my wife and I had to rush our newly adopted, 8-month-old daughter to the public hospital…and suddenly it all started making sense. As we stepped in more urine, took our number from the print-out machine, walked past the line of children whining and crying from the scalp IVs in their heads, then rushed to clean up blood and mucus (left by the last patient) on the plastic table they were now laying our baby on, then waited on the ONE overworked doctor (attending to no less than three hundred people) try to round up a basic anti-biotic to administer to my daughter (right there on site – no refills) it dawned on me what I was seeing and what I had been seeing this whole time. . .

I was witnessing the kind of maximum, almost brutal efficiency a society must develop when the state is the master and the individual is merely a subject. Why would a Communist country not have an effective FDA? Because who are you going to complain to if you get tainted food? The government? They don’t answer to you. The press? They are owned by the government. And again, they don’t answer to you.

. . . “Yes, communism is bad, Regie. We get it,” I hear you saying, through your screen. But it is much deeper than surface ideology for me, personally. As our group was sloshing through the stuff on our shoes, we all speculated as to what new viruses we might be bringing back to the States with us. Well, even during SARS, none of us brought any viruses back. But my family did bring back one of the rarest genetic disorders on planet earth. . .

What we know, without a doubt, is that she would not have survived had she not gotten out of China; out of that system. . . . As this virus is doing whatever it’s doing, we are also having a heated debate over our own politics as a nation. We are literally discussing the merits of “democratic socialism” in the context of a Presidential election, in the United States, in 2020. I don’t think this is an accident.

. . .The thing about free-market solutions when it comes to healthcare, is that if they don’t work, you can always trash them and go to a public option. But once you nationalize healthcare, there is no going back. And that terrifies me. I’ve seen the natural conclusion of what happens when only one buyer is purchasing gauze and morphine; when one source pays the doctors and nurses.

. . . I’ve seen what happens when the choices are taken away. And what happens ends up being a place where new viruses can spread too easily, to too many people, and aren’t contained quickly enough.

And that ultimately affects us all.

FEBRUARY 27, 2020

Great article from Smithsonian on the Spanish Flu of 1918: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/journal-plague-year-180965222/

Very interesting paper from 2011 on history of Spanish Flu history of 1918: The epidemic came in three waves. The Lancet, the British medical journal, reported in October 2011 that the 1918-1920 Spanish Flu Pandemic came in THREE WAVES: the first, which had established itself by the fall of 1918, had a far greater infection rate and consequent death rate, in the elderly and the frail of any chronological age.
The second wave, which hit around the time of the 1918 Armistice, was FAR DEADLIER and attacked BOTH YOUNG AND OLD.
The third wave, of the winter of 1919, was smaller and had a death rate similar to the first wave.
(Lancet Infect Dis 2011 Oct;11(10):793-9)

February 21, 2020: From Bloomberg. “Maybe Global Supply Chains Weren’t Such A Good Idea”. The irony is rich, coming from Bloomberg News. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-02-21/coronavirus-forces-a-rethinking-of-supply-chains

February 22, 2020: From Bloomberg. Coronavirus isn’t just about a short term supply chain problem. It exposes the weakness of globalism. Globalization Comes Under Fire Amid Xivirus Stress Test – “Do we..still depend at the level of 90/95% of the supply chain of China for the auto,drug,aero.. industry, or do we draw the consequences of that situation to ..be more independent & sovereign? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-22/globalization-comes-under-fire-amid-coronavirus-stress-test

February 29, 2020: Comment ~~~~ Let’s make no mistake, the XIvirus started in China by at least mid-November of 2019. China’s CCP jailed physicians who tried to warn of the danger of the virus. The CCP has consistently covered up statistics, refused to allow entry to Wuhan for international medical teams, AND censored all their citizens from discussing the virus on-line.

Thousands of people are dead, hundreds of millions are under some kind of quarantine, and trillions of dollars LOST, because CHINA lied and hid the truth from the world. To blame the President of the USA for OVER-reacting in late January when he assembled the task force, declared the health emergency, cancelled flights, imposed mandatory quarantine of 14 days on Chinese citizens from entry to the USA, and imposed self-quarantine of 14 days on those who traveled to China, was a hyper-partisan attack by Democrats seeking political gain in the midst of a medical crisis.

Those same Democrats now attack the President for not doing enough, which is absurd, and the media is intentionally pushing panic to wreck the economic gains of the Trump Admin. It’s the very definition of a malicious press which does not serve the best interests of the public.

I’m left wondering WHY the media is not blaming XI and the CCP for the global problem of Coronavirus. If we need to point a finger……. point the finger at XI. It’s China who created this problem. The corrupt CCP used to only be a problem for the Chinese people. Today, the inept CCP has created a problem for the entire world.

At what point do we discuss Xi’s resignation?


Wuhan University: Well, this is an interesting tidbit. Wuhan University is a prominent institution. It was the 60 Iranian student who returned from Wuhan U to Iran who were thought to carry the virus and cause spread in Iran. https://irannewsupdate.com/news/human-rights/6907-the-irgc-and-the-coronavirus.html From Wikipedia: Wuhan University… is a national research university located in Wuhan, Hubei. It is one of the most prestigious and selective universities in China, and was recognized by the Chinese Ministry of Education as a Class A Double First Class University. It was one of the four elite universities in the early Republican period and is also one of the oldest universities in China. Wuhan University is located at Luojia Hill, with palatial buildings blending Chinese and Western styles. It is regarded by many as one of the most beautiful campuses in China.

Famous Alumni ~ Xiaolin Wu, computer engineer, invented programming line algorithm, co-developed neural network facial recognition system (with Xi Zhang), twice featured in MIT’s “Technology Review”, member of Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers[32][33][34]

WUHAN UNIVERSITY: Master’s in Radiology and Nuclear Medicine
The Master’s in Radiology and Nuclear Medicine y is a 3 year program taught in English to international students. Students can start the program in September each year.
WUHAN UNIVERSITY: Master’s in Nuclear Power Engineering


Good News. While it may take a yr or more for millions of vaccines to be approved and distributed, the theraputics (medications to ameliorate the symptoms of disease) are quite promising. Gilead is in TWO – Phase Three trials of Remdesivir as of February 26, 2020. https://www.gilead.com/news-and-press/press-room/press-releases/2020/2/gilead-sciences-initiates-two-phase-3-studies-of-investigational-antiviral-remdesivir-for-the-treatment-of-covid-19 Read the following, below:

17 Reasons Why I’m Confident Gilead’s Remdesivir Will Work Against COVID-19

. . .there’s no conclusive proof Remdesivir will work against COVID-19 in humans. But the odds are getting better by the day as more information surfaces:
1. Gilead is a virus specialist. For decades they have thrived on their HIV (a Lentivirus) therapy. Remdesivir has been used to treat humans against Ebola (a Filovirus). Remdesivir specifically attacks a part of the virus that’s common to all coronaviruses including COVID-19.
2. Bioinformatically, the target of Remdesivir is very similar to that in the SARS coronavirus, 99% similar and 96% identical.
3. Remdesivir has already proven effective in lab tests against a range of coronaviruses.
4. Remdesivir worked against various coronaviruses in mice.
5. Remdesivir has been shown to prevent and cure monkeys (rhesus macaques) afflicted with the MERS coronavirus.
6. Remdesivir worked against even the most divergent coronavirus called Porcine deltacoronavirus.
7. Remdesivir has been proven to work against every coronavirus tested against whether in lab or animals.
8. A U.S. patient and a French COVID-19 patient both recovered after being administered Remdesivir on a compassionate use basis. The French article wasn’t easy to find but it said the following (translated with Google translate): “The 48-year-old patient infected with the new coronavirus and released from the Bordeaux University Hospital on Thursday, after 22 days of hospitalization, was treated with remdesivir, a “promising” antiviral, said his medical team on Friday.”
9. It’s a promising sign that this patient was treated after 22 days and still recovered. Typically, if you are in the group that gets really sick by that time you’re in intensive care. One question with vaccines/therapies like this is how effective they are once you already are sick. Giving a vaccine in a preventive manner is the lowest bar for a treatment to beat. Being administered on a compassionate use basis to patients that are 22 days in and appearing to be effective is a much higher bar. Admittedly, we can’t derive conclusions from two patients that seem to have improved (if you know of any documented compassionate use cases please PM me) but it’s something. Especially in combination with the commentary from the medical team: “…It is “today in the state of knowledge the most convincing promising candidate for an evaluation,” he added, adding that the choice of this drug had been made “collegially at national level, in consultation with WHO ”(World Health Organization)…”
10. CDC officials told the medical team treating the infected man in Washington about Remdesivir after his condition worsened. Meaning both WHO and CDC are currently recommending this as a last resort compassionate use option.
11. Gilead stated it’s building up manufacturing capacity. Over the last couple of weeks, it already has coordinated with contract manufacturers to start producing Remdesivir. The company also stopped production of one of its approved products to churn out more of the stuff. This exudes confidence and perhaps also indicates the company expects COVID-19 to spread widely.
12. A Chinese company called BrightGene has started to manufacture Remdesivir as well. BrightGene’s share price went up ~70% to a ~$4 billion market cap.
13. Two studies of Remdesivir already are underway in China. Two-thirds of enrolling participants are given the real drug, which is quite unusual.
14. In the U.S. a trial for COVID-19 on humans has started as well.
15. National Economic Council Director Larry Kudlow: “Gilead will probably come up with a vaccine faster than most people realize.” Kudlow is no expert on vaccines but he is likely to be well informed in a crisis situation, although his political agenda needs to be considered.
16. Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases: “We expect we will see community spread in this country,” “It’s not so much a question of if this will happen anymore, but rather more a question of exactly when this will happen and how many people in this country will have severe illness.” This is not unexpected to me as I’ve been researching COVID-19 since January 22 but it’s definitely unwelcome. Economically Gilead (by my estimate) is most sensitive to spread as opposed to the average price per dose of Remdesivir.
17. Gilead has been granted 3 patents on Remdesivir in China as of today. Another good sign after some earlier patent shenanigans where a Chinese research center applied for a patent.


While we complain of waiting in line for toilet paper, or sitting at home instead of going to a party, we would do well to remember those on the front lines of this virus war. Pray for the physicians…… From Italian physician Dr. Danielle Macchini, an ICU Physician in Bergamo, Italy. This is an important and stirring first hand account from the front line of the virus war. We should all listen:

Full text of translation here: I may be repeating myself, but I want to fight this sense of security that I see outside of the epicenters, as if nothing was going to happen “here”. The media in Europe are reassuring, politicians are reassuring, while there’s little to be reassured of. This is the English translation of a post of another ICU physician in Bergamo, Dr. Daniele Macchini. Read until the end “After much thought about whether and what to write about what is happening to us, I felt that silence was not responsible.

I will therefore try to convey to people far from our reality what we are living in Bergamo in these days of Covid-19 pandemic. I understand the need not to create panic, but when the message of the dangerousness of what is happening does not reach people I shudder. I myself watched with some amazement the reorganization of the entire hospital in the past week, when our current enemy was still in the shadows: the wards slowly “emptied”, elective activities were interrupted, intensive care were freed up to create as many beds as possible.

All this rapid transformation brought an atmosphere of silence and surreal emptiness to the corridors of the hospital that we did not yet understand, waiting for a war that was yet to begin and that many (including me) were not so sure would ever come with such ferocity. I still remember my night call a week ago when I was waiting for the results of a swab. When I think about it, my anxiety over one possible case seems almost ridiculous and unjustified, now that I’ve seen what’s happening. Well, the situation now is dramatic to say the least.

The war has literally exploded and battles are uninterrupted day and night. But now that need for beds has arrived in all its drama. One after the other the departments that had been emptied fill up at an impressive pace. The boards with the names of the patients, of different colours depending on the operating unit, are now all red and instead of surgery you see the diagnosis, which is always the damned same: bilateral interstitial pneumonia.

Now, explain to me which flu virus causes such a rapid drama. [post continues comparing covid19 to flu, link below]. And while there are still people who boast of not being afraid by ignoring directions, protesting because their normal routine is”temporarily” put in crisis, the epidemiological disaster is taking place. And there are no more surgeons, urologists, orthopedists, we are only doctors who suddenly become part of a single team to face this tsunami that has overwhelmed us.

Cases are multiplying, we arrive at a rate of 15-20 admissions per day all for the same reason. The results of the swabs now come one after the other: positive, positive, positive. Suddenly the E.R. is collapsing. Reasons for the access always the same: fever and breathing difficulties, fever and cough, respiratory failure. Radiology reports always the same: bilateral interstitial pneumonia, bilateral interstitial pneumonia, bilateral interstitial pneumonia. All to be hospitalized.

Someone already to be intubated and go to intensive care. For others it’s too late… Every ventilator becomes like gold: those in operating theatres that have now suspended their non-urgent activity become intensive care places that did not exist before. The staff is exhausted. I saw the tiredness on faces that didn’t know what it was despite the already exhausting workloads they had. I saw a solidarity of all of us, who never failed to go to our internist colleagues to ask “what can I do for you now?”

Doctors who move beds and transfer patients, who administer therapies instead of nurses. Nurses with tears in their eyes because we can’t save everyone, and the vital parameters of several patients at the same time reveal an already marked destiny. There are no more shifts, no more hours. Social life is suspended for us. We no longer see our families for fear of infecting them. Some of us have already become infected despite the protocols.

Some of our colleagues who are infected also have infected relatives and some of their relatives are already struggling between life and death. So be patient, you can’t go to the theatre, museums or the gym. Try to have pity on the myriad of old people you could exterminate. We just try to make ourselves useful. You should do the same: we influence the life and death of a few dozen people. You with yours, many more. Please share this message. We must spread the word to prevent what is happening here from happening all over Italy.”

I finish by saying that I really don’t understand this war on panic. The only reason I see is mask shortages, but there’s no mask on sale anymore. We don’t have a lot of studies, but is it panic really worse than neglect and carelessness during an epidemic of this sort?

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Concerned Virginian

Fantastic comprehensive summary!
Now — per 700WLW and ABC News:
Rep. PAUL GOSAR, along with Sen. Ted Cruz, will self-quarantine as the result of interacting with the attendee at last month’s CPAC convention who later tested positive for the Wuhan/SARS2 coronavirus.


Stunning job from Daughn, I agree!
Best on the internet, hands down.

Sylvia Avery

I agree……….everything I want to know is all right here. Thanks Daughn!


“Don’t look for any information in coming days about how to best protect yourself from contracting COVID-19 because all you will find online is “Blame coronavirus on President Trump”!”
Why Democrats and Media Never Talk About The Real Killer Flu
By Judi McLeod
March 9, 2020
https://canadafreepress.com/article/why-democrats-and-media-never-talk-about-the-real-killer-flucomment image

Nobody—particularly the Democrats, mainstream and social media—talks about how each year’s seasonal Influenza is both sickening and killing people by the tens of thousands.
They’ve never admitted that The Flu can kill you.
That’s because they’ve never “weaponized” the Flu like they have the Coronavirus.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

This will be our job!


Judy Macleod is a top-rate investigative reporter/blogger and the founder of Canada Free Press which is a top notch blog that gets less attention than it deserves.


I agree – excellent source. They’re usually so dead on right that, ironically, I don’t need to read them!


“The quarantine, which applies to all members of the family, is expected to last 14 days after the patient has stopped showing any symptoms of COVID-19.”
Act out of wisdom, not fear…but act. Stay healthy, take precautions, prepare for possible illness and possible
quarantine. Quarantine is possible for yourself if you have come in contact with an infected person at work, church, meeting, etc. Quarantine possible if your neighborhood or town or county or region reach a certain number of infections. Quarantine for 14 days to make sure you are not sick + the time if you are sick + 14 days for your household after the last person is well.
What measures are in place to help people suddenly quarantined for 2-6/8 weeks? Work? household needs? If one gets sick but not ill enough to be hospitalized and is told to go home…prepared?
Use wisdom, calm, intentional, wisdom.
Yes, makes sense to stock up on a little extra TP! (Note: not truckloads to sell, just a little extra.)
Slowing the spread to pace that can be handled by the medical system is important for those who develop complications.
At one point last week, we didn’t have a couple of things on hand that I thought we should have on hand and several sources were already out. I felt panicked! (resolved now and the things I wanted were probably not on most peoples list) I get how some people are going to feel when the situation gets real to them if the spread is not contained but even then we have to stay calm and act intentionally and with thoughtfulness.


Current US cases that are verified through testing.


GLOBAL – STATE – COUNTY CASES – Johns Hopkins Interactive Map
US CASES – CDC – https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html
FL CASES – FL Dept of Health – http://www.floridahealth.gov/diseases-and-conditions/COVID-19/index.html
Check your state health department for similar lists/tips/help
I asked the FL to make us a map of counties with persons with coronavirus, but you can find it on the Johns Hopkins map.

MORE sites:


Great thread!
Here’s the time line for MO
Instead of staying at home lets go dancing! Really people really?

Deplorable Patriot

I’m telling you, it’s the Villa people.
Oh, this is going to be so much fun.


AND now they got a lawyer. LOL oh this is getting good.

Deplorable Patriot

Well, the docs at Mercy let her go home. This is Mercy we’re talking about. Level 1 trauma center and all that. One of the better hospitals in the metro. They probably were reassured by that.


That was my thought as well about Mercy.
They also are withholding where the father went on the weekend so a coffee place just got the word and had to clean…
I mean its going to spread just like the flu.

Deplorable Patriot

Maybe not given all things considered. But the family WILL be confronted by their social circle. I can tell you that anyway. It will be civil but WHAT WERE U Thinking will come up. I mean these are the movers and shakers we’re talking about.


We have 4 cases in TN and NYtimes still has updated from 3.


I wonder how well that map correlates with the “counties that voted for Clinton in 2016” map……


Well – I was out and about this morning and listened to (drama voice) Glenn Beck while I was in and out of the stores.
MAN IS HE EVER PUSHING INEVITABLE INESCAPABLE GLOBAL FINANCIAL CHAOS/CRASH/HORRORS due to the coronavirus – and blame for DJT if he doesn’t do everything GB thinks he should.

Concerned Virginian

My opinion, part one: part of Glenn Beck’s deal is that he is a Mormon. I believe this ties into at least a certain amount of what Beck thinks. Mormons put a high value on human agency — which can be defined as the ability of humans to make decisions and to act on them. Mormons believe that life on this earth is a “passage” to another life; and that life on earth can and will include all sorts of “adversity” — hence the Mormon teachings regarding being prepared.
My opinion, part two: in Glenn Beck’s particular case, there is also the possible damage that may well have been done to his being from his self-confessed “issues” of various types over the years.


Let’s not forget that they own a huge portion of the freeze dried food industry for prepping. The church has a huge stockpile for emergencies and pandemics.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy



Deplorable Patriot

Recovering from the flu, I will challenge going to the doctor if you have a fever. Patient zero in my family CALLED her doctor, and based on a battery of questions and matching symptoms, they were able to call “flu”. If you’re running a fever, doctors don’t want you in the office. Even our vet doesn’t want us in the office and Yang has some kind of stomach thing and may need to be seen..
Also in prepper stuff, may I suggest getting a box or two of juice popsicles. There’s several brands out there in a variety of natural juices. It really helped me in the last few days, especially with stomach involvement.

Deplorable Patriot

Umm…. Citrus has been a disaster with stomach upset. Apple and cherry juices have the vitamin c o e would get out of orange.

Deplorable Patriot

That was the benefit of the cherry popsicles.
And I can’t do aspartame. So, there we are.


And bourbon?

Sylvia Avery

good tip re popsicles

Sadie Slays




Bravo!!! Finally someone said it.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Very simple. Keep the Chinese Communist HIV-Weaponized Flu away from the elderly, who it was designed to kill.




Scope and depth of information, simply the best! Thank you!
Ground report. drove into Carson city, NV. Both Walmart’s nearly empty customers. It’s early monday, so to be expected I would think.
Zero gloves, masks, isolpropyl alcohol and hand sanitizer.
Minimal vitamin C.
EVERYTHING else enough stock. Gaps and holes, yes, But stuff is available. Including paper goods, cleaning stuff, rice, beans, frozen, chill, canned…
Smith’s (super market) Dayton. With the exception of the few outages cited above, things normal.
As an aside, for those areas looking for paper goods or other short supply cleaning items, Home Depot, Lowes, Office supply stores commonly carry that stuff. Not a broad selection, but they are typically carried.
Neighbor came over a few minutes ago. Asked what I thought of the increased Corona, stock market diving, Trump being blamed..yada, yada…
Talked rationally with him, used facts, logic… A few minutes later he left to work in his yard 😉

Cuppa Covfefe

Bacardi 151??? That’s 75.5% alcohol (goodness knows what the 24.5% is 🙂 )…
Same situation here in (formerly) beautiful downtown Deutschland, although the YSM/MCM are doing their best to fan the flames. We have shortages on bottled water (!?), TP (what are people going to do with it all), and some shelf-life-stable foods (noodles, etc.)(wonder about buying Italian pasta, etc.???).
Ahhhh, Sheeple.
Thank GOD the USA has VSG President Trump. If only we had someone even close to that…
(Hmmm. Do y’all need a 51st state 😀 ? )…

Sylvia Avery

Bacardi 151 is too good to use for anything other than drinking!!!!


Back in college, around 1981, our dorm hall discovered that you could easily pour layered drinks by slipping lower proofs under higher proofs. So you could pour a little Bacardi 151 into a shotglass, then slowly pour 100-proof peppermint schnapps underneath it, then slowly pour 80 proof green creme de menthe under them both. It helped if all liquids had been kept in the freezer and were ice cold.
That gave you a shotglass of layered colors that tasted very minty and averaged out to about 110 proof. We nicknamed it “The Green Death”. People, especially attractive young ladies, were amazingly eager to try them. They could be made in advance and stored in a freezer if you had enough shotglasses.

Sylvia Avery

LOL…………glad I didn’t know you in college! I might have succumbed to The Green Death!!!


The problem with using 151 as a hand sanitizer is that you smell like a drunk for the rest of the day.


I posted this yesterday – In this US study conducted by or at the DoD, the Flu shot did not give protection against coronavirus and a certain kind of pneumonia virus – bold mine.
“Study of flu vaccine and its effect on incidence of viral respiratory illness.”
Vaccine. 2020 Jan 10;38(2):350-354. doi: 10.1016/j.vaccine.2019.10.005. Epub 2019 Oct 10.
Receiving influenza vaccination may increase the risk of other respiratory viruses, a phenomenon known as virus interference. Test-negative study designs are often utilized to calculate influenza vaccine effectiveness. The virus interference phenomenon goes against the basic assumption of the test-negative vaccine effectiveness study that vaccination does not change the risk of infection with other respiratory illness, thus potentially biasing vaccine effectiveness results in the positive direction. This study aimed to investigate virus interference by comparing respiratory virus status among Department of Defense personnel based on their influenza vaccination status. Furthermore, individual respiratory viruses and their association with influenza vaccination were examined.
We compared vaccination status of 2880 people with non-influenza respiratory viruses to 3240 people with pan-negative results. Comparing vaccinated to non-vaccinated patients, the adjusted odds ratio for non-flu viruses was 0.97 (95% confidence interval (CI): 0.86, 1.09; p = 0.60). Additionally, the vaccination status of 3349 cases of influenza were compared to three different control groups: all controls (N = 6120), non-influenza positive controls (N = 2880), and pan-negative controls (N = 3240). The adjusted ORs for the comparisons among the three control groups did not vary much (range: 0.46-0.51).
Influenza vaccination and respiratory virus interference among Department of Defense personnel during the 2017-2018 influenza season.
Receipt of influenza vaccination was not associated with virus interference among our population. Examining virus interference by specific respiratory viruses showed mixed results. Vaccine derived virus interference was significantly associated with coronavirus and human metapneumovirus; however, significant protection with vaccination was associated not only with most influenza viruses, but also parainfluenza, RSV, and non-influenza virus coinfections.”


“Vaccine derived virus interference was significantly associated with coronavirus and human metapneumovirus; ”
Oh that’s just perfect…
And I was all set to trust the government and the pharmaceutical industry, too!


As if!


Wow! Can you imagine going to church last week or this week, your pastor now being identified as being infected and now you have to self quarantine for 2 weeks?! This morning life was normal and now you and your family are quarantined or 2 weeks…wow.😲
We are focused on staying healthy (washing hands, eating healthy) but our concern is more about quarantines of ourselves and others and the affects of quarantines of large numbers of people than we are of the actual illness. Concerned about supply lines, access to stores/shopping, etc.
I realize the quarantines are to help slow the spread so that our medical system can handle the percentage of complications but outside of the rapidity of the spread and the potential for large numbers of illness and therefore high numbers with complications all at once …. the complications of quarantine will be incredibly disruptive to the economy and society in general.
“Through DC Health’s investigation, in consultation with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), all visitors to Christ Church, Georgetown Episcopal on February 24th, and between February 28th and March 3rd could have been exposed to the virus that causes COVID-19, and DC Health is recommending that anyone who visited Christ Church, Georgetown Episcopal on those dates isolate themselves at home for 14 days from the last time they visited the church. Isolating at home includes not going to work or school, and not attending any large or public gatherings, or using public transportation or ride-sharing. DC Health may also be reaching out to certain individuals who are more likely to have been exposed with further guidance.”
meanwhile, President Trump is not avoiding people…I love the blonde lady’s reactions! I would be just as excited and don’t think I would remain as calm! 🙂

Cuppa Covfefe

Time to bring back Bishop Fulton J. Sheen…


I am not even Catholic but liked listening to him when we had cable for a few years.

Cuppa Covfefe

Yep, same here. I remember him from long, long, long, long ago. Back when there were only three channels, and they all shut down between midnight and 6:00 AM… Those were the days…
And if the TV picture (always black-and-white) started having problems, the local Thrifty Drug Store, along with having great ice cream, had wonderful (and fun, at least to me) Tube Testers… especially the one for “capped” tubes, with the wire you’d pull out to put on the cap… never realized it could have been a shocking experience…


My husband just got an alert Email from The University that two students possibly have the virus.
All people who had contact with these students have been informed. This is S OH . Today was the first day back from spring break.
My gran daughter’s friends from school are two weeks in London through the school. People are traveling.
My husband had been resisting buying more TP and Clorox and hand disinfection. My daughter talked to him and that did the trick. I know nothing ( rolling eyes)
He came back yesterday bringing grand daughter to the airport with big packs of TP, 4 bottles 62 OZ each hand disinfection, paper towels, 3 gallon Clorox 3 cases water and other stuff. He spend $500,
Talk about hording?
He told me that Costco Cincinnati was out on some stuff and he had to go to Wal-Mart for some things and last to Kroger in town where shelves were fully stocked..


I always think it needs the glowing eye of Sauron on top.
I don’t know if it still is, but it was officially AT&T Tower.

Sadie Slays

Cross-posting this from the open thread since the article speculates the rallies may have been cancelled out of concerns over WuFlu.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

My immediate speculation is that it isn’t about the virus – it’s about EVADING A MEDIA TRAP.
Look at the events page:
No rallies now, but lots of “MAGA Meet-Ups” and training events. My suspicion is that we are now seeing COUNTER-PSY-OPS.
This is MATH – it’s STATISTICS. All it takes is one coronavirus attendee at a rally, and even though at most 4 or 5 people will likely be exposed, you don’t know who they are. All the Dems have to do is send ONE sickie student in, like PLAID SHIRT BOZO, and they can stoke a panic among ALL of the THOUSANDS of Trump supporters, including those wonderful Dems and independents.
The fucking ChiComs and the Dems planned this. They knew it. Trump led them on and pulled out at the last minute.
Nope – this is SMART COUNTER-PSY-OPS. Yet Trump says there will be rallies. And there WILL be rallies. At the exact moment of Trump’s choosing.
WATCH WHAT THE MEDIA DOES. They will try to push Trump into rallies they can FRAME or monger on his not having them.
Very smart. VERY smart. We are now engaged in media combat with Soviet ChiCom Dems and their Soviet Fake News.

Sadie Slays

Yeah, after Typhoid Mary forced a bunch of prominent CPAC attendees into quarantine, I figured that a similar false flag was planned for a Trump rally. (This is assuming that the CPAC thing wasn’t simply cover for certain Trump-supporting Republicans to stay at home for security reasons–I’m on the fence about either possibility).

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

That’s a good theory that CPAC could be a cover op. We may find out soon, if somebody actually gets sick.
I’m curious if “CPAC ZERO” was a journalist or media pass of some kind, or some other type of sketchy.

Sadie Slays

The reason why I lean toward “cover op” is because Ted Cruz was the first to self-quarantine. Ted Cruz—the Obama Administration’s other FISA target. “Quarantine” is good cover for keeping Ted out public sight and somewhere secure in case there are any security threats or secret tribunals to attend. It’s reminded me of how Mitch McConnell announced he was going “work from home” last summer right after the El Paso/Dayton shootings happened.


The Below is from a FB friend…A good piece if you have seen it yet
Wise words from Infectious Disease MD, Dr. Sharkawy on COVID-19:
“I’m a doctor and an Infectious Diseases Specialist. I’ve been at this for more than 20 years seeing sick patients on a daily basis. I have worked in inner city hospitals and in the poorest slums of Africa. HIV-AIDS, Hepatitis,TB, SARS, Measles, Shingles, Whooping cough, Diphtheria…there is little I haven’t been exposed to in my profession. And with notable exception of SARS, very little has left me feeling vulnerable, overwhelmed or downright scared.
I am not scared of Covid-19. I am concerned about the implications of a novel infectious agent that has spread the world over and continues to find new footholds in different soil. I am rightly concerned for the welfare of those who are elderly, in frail health or disenfranchised who stand to suffer mostly, and disproportionately, at the hands of this new scourge. But I am not scared of Covid-19.
What I am scared about is the loss of reason and wave of fear that has induced the masses of society into a spellbinding spiral of panic, stockpiling obscene quantities of anything that could fill a bomb shelter adequately in a post-apocalyptic world. I am scared of the N95 masks that are stolen from hospitals and urgent care clinics where they are actually needed for front line healthcare providers and instead are being donned in airports, malls, and coffee lounges, perpetuating even more fear and suspicion of others. I am scared that our hospitals will be overwhelmed with anyone who thinks they ” probably don’t have it but may as well get checked out no matter what because you just never know…” and those with heart failure, emphysema, pneumonia and strokes will pay the price for overfilled ER waiting rooms with only so many doctors and nurses to assess.
I am scared that travel restrictions will become so far reaching that weddings will be canceled, graduations missed and family reunions will not materialize. And well, even that big party called the Olympic Games…that could be kyboshed too. Can you even
I’m scared those same epidemic fears will limit trade, harm partnerships in multiple sectors, business and otherwise and ultimately culminate in a global recession.
But mostly, I’m scared about what message we are telling our kids when faced with a threat. Instead of reason, rationality, openmindedness and altruism, we are telling them to panic, be fearful, suspicious, reactionary and self-interested.
Covid-19 is nowhere near over. It will be coming to a city, a hospital, a friend, even a family member near you at some point. Expect it. Stop waiting to be surprised further. The fact is the virus itself will not likely do much harm when it arrives. But our own behaviors and “fight for yourself above all else” attitude could prove disastrous.
I implore you all. Temper fear with reason, panic with patience and uncertainty with education. We have an opportunity to learn a great deal about health hygiene and limiting the spread of innumerable transmissible diseases in our society. Let’s meet this challenge together in the best spirit of compassion for others, patience, and above all, an unfailing effort to seek truth, facts and knowledge as opposed to conjecture, speculation and catastrophizing.
Facts not fear. Clean hands. Open hearts.
Our children will thank us for it.”


Excellent perspective from the doctor.
Thank you very much for posting it.


I found it quite interesting.
I know the virus can be dangerous to some people of age, and fragile health. However, I believe too many are in overboard panic.
People need to understand the demographics of China & nations being being affected the most.


I can’t (yet) work up a panic about it, either.
Demographics, demographics, demographics.


Fear drains our energy we need to stay healthy. Common sense is the best to overcome this.
I believe this will not be the last biological created virus it has much power look what is happening to our economics and fear around the world.
In my mind this is war created by Chinese to effect what? They have an evil regime.


‘Fear drains our energy we need to stay healthy. Common sense is the best to overcome this.’ Completely agree.
You are right. This wont be the last biologically created virus. We should all learn how to deal with it sensibly and calmly.


Good advice . . . not to overreact. However . . .
Since I am 74, as the good doctor said, I am “rightly concerned for the welfare of those who are elderly”. My preparations ensure that I will be able to stay isolated for a significant period of time if and when the WuFlu proliferates in my general area.


I am 70 but don’t have extra medical issues.
However I trust in the lord, Wash hands and don’t temp faith by being where there could be issues, extra large crowds, hospitals, ERs and some other places.
Take similar precautions one took for the flu, especially considering that the flu vaccine was not really working for the flu last year.


same here carl…I have one friend who is compromised…but v smart.
we both, along w several friends, hit Costco and local Rxs as soon as the president announced closed flights.
we are prepared for the duration. minimal outside contact.
going in and out requires simple steps to keep as “clean” as possible.
vigilance and consistency seem to be the key…mental preparation and follow through.


If you go back and check the prior Coronavirus thread, on the first page it was noted that no reports existed in New York City or State, a fact that was considered suspicious. Based on this we exected that the NY cases would appear suddenly and spike upward dramatically.
Well sunnuvabitch . . . cases spiked radically!
Also on cue, Gov Cuomo is freaking out about Corona virus and declaring a state of emergency, criticizing the President’s response to the virus and blah blah inaction blah, even going so far as to claim they aren’t getting enough tests to get data.
Azar of course on Fox News disputes this, says that NY has been provided with all the tests they needed, and that they tried to ship MORE to them but they were refused. They also have now the ability to test at the state labs and have all the testing capacity that they should need.
Clearly Cuomo planned to do some advanced DISINFO on this . . .


Yeah notice a theme?
* Obama FDA wanted to control tests
* CDC SES wanted to control tests
* Dem states want to control tests

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

It has arrived in my home county (though apparently the one case so far is in the eastern, rural area, not Colorado Springs). Unfortunately, I do drive by that location from time to time!
Yesterday Sam’s was completely out of toilet paper. I can’t fathom why people find that to be the most urgent thing to stock up on, but there is an irony here: I don’t get to Sam’s very often at all. And the last time I did go, I didn’t get any TP, so of the big staple items I get when I go there; I’m actually lowest on TP, and that clearly didn’t change! (Over 27 rolls left though, so I’m not terribly concerned, yet.)
And now I’m wondering if I’m coming down with a cold…or it’s just psychosomatic from reading about COVID all morning.


That psychosomatic thing is real. I swear my throat hurt(that never happens) and my allergies flared up when I was in the store around people. If I spend a lot of time on this, my sinus headache worsens, so I have to stop and detach. In my defense I do have allergies, I take zyrtec every day and somedays I need to add several sudafeds, somedays I need none. Plus our weather has been CRAZY!! 2-3 days Heater on, 2 days need AC, back to heat, back to AC, repeat, for the last 3+ weeks!!! The cold always makes my nose run. Got symptoms the other night when I found out there were 2 cases in my section of the county. It’s BS and I know it. I mean if you have a sore throat, it’s gonna be all day and night and several days in a row. Not every 3 days for 5 minutes at 5:30pm when you check virus stats! Battlefield of the mind! Keep pushing those thoughts down.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I took standard precautions for the start of a cold.
At the moment I feel OK except for a very slight headache; maybe it was nothing; maybe my home remedy paid off.

Sylvia Avery

Steve………….there is something about thinking about going through the end of the world as we know it or the zombie apocalypse or whatever without TP. There aren’t even Sears catalogs as an alternate…….
I hope you don’t have a cold! Get some rest.


Update emailed to me from FL Dept. of Health COVID team:
The Florida Department of Health issued a press release early this afternoon providing more information on the current status of COVID-19 in Florida.
The link is here: http://www.floridahealth.gov/newsroom/2020/03/030920-department-health-covid19-update.pr.html
The overall county, age, sex, and known history of international travel. More information will be publicly released when made available.
COVID-19 (confirmed) Cases
Florida Residents Diagnosed in Florida
County – Age – Sex – Known History of International Travel
1 – Manatee – 63 – Male – No
2 – Hillsborough – 29 – Female – Yes
3 – Santa Rosa – 71 – Male – Yes
4 – Broward – 75 – Male – No
5 – Broward – 65 – Male – No
6 – Lee – 77 – Female – Yes
7 – Lee – 77 – Male – Yes
8 – Charlotte – 54 – Female – Yes
9 – Okaloosa – 61 – Female – Yes
10 – Volusia – 66 – Female – Yes
11 – Manatee – 81 – Female – Yes
12 – Broward – 67 – Male – No
COVID-19 Testing Results
18 Florida cases (17 Florida residents)
12 diagnosed in Florida
5 diagnosed and isolated in another state
1 confirmed positive non-Florida resident isolated in Florida.
115 tests in state results pending
140 negatives
1,104 people monitored to date
302 of 1,104 are currently being monitored


A local infectious disease doctor assembled an interesting summary of novel coronavirus. I have not seen this anywhere so I hope you find it helpful and sorry for the length.
How can one know if he/she is infected?
By the time they have fever and/or cough and go to the hospital, the
lung is usually 50% Fibrosis and it’s too late……….
1. If you only have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold
2. Coronavirus pneumonia manifests a dry cough with no runny nose.
3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 79/80 degrees. It hates the Sun.
4. If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to the ground and is no longer airborne.
5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours – so if you come into contact with any metal surface – wash your hands as soon as you can with a bacterial soap.
6. On fabric it can survive for 6-12 hours. Normal laundry detergent will kill it.
7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink liquids with ice.
8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 minutes, but – a lot can happen during that time – you can rub your eyes, pick your nose unwittingly and so on.
9. You should also gargle as a prevention. A simple solution of salt in warm water will suffice.
10. Can’t emphasize enough – drink plenty of water!
1. It will first infect the throat, so you’ll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 days.
2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days after that.
3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing.
4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you’re drowning. It’s imperative you then seek immediate attention.
The Stanford hospital board also provided their feedback for novel coronavirus:
Novel coronavirus may not show sign of infection for many days.
How can one know if he/she is infected?
By the time they have fever and/or cough and go to the hospital, the
lung is usually 50% Fibrosis and it’s too late.
Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning.
Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If
you complete it successfully without coughing, without discomfort,
stiffness or tightness, etc., it proves there is no Fibrosis in the
lungs, basically indicates no infection.
In critical time, please self-check every morning in an environment
with clean air.
Serious excellent advice by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases:
Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat are moist, never dry.
Take a few sips of water every 15 minutes at least. Why?
Even if the virus gets into your mouth, drinking water or other liquids will wash
them down through your throat and into the stomach.
Once there, your stomach acid will kill all the virus. If you don’t
drink enough water more regularly, the virus can enter your windpipe
and into the lungs.
That’s very dangerous.
I found it very informative but I am no expert.


One more thing. This doctor also adds that we should be cleaning our cellphones very, very frequently.


Good advice.


Thank you, Ed. Very helpful!


^^^ Great information, with one big question….
“By the time they have fever and/or cough and go to the hospital, the
lung is usually 50% Fibrosis and it’s too late.”
^^^ Too late for what? Kiss it good bye? Were gonna die? Pneumonia is assured? For a quack to use those words is something less than helpful.
Certainly not in the camp of jumping off a cliff or having anxiety over Corona.
Beyond that one question, seems like many good nuggets of information.


He means you are going to be hospitalized.


Thank you for this, NYGuy. It is most helpful.
I haven’t read anything this detailed about symptoms and timeline. Excellent content.

Sylvia Avery

Thanks Ed. Good stuff.


So, I am not one that thinks this new virus is nothing but no way is it what the media is making it …
Would have rather have seen a reduction in air travel from Italy, etc., v. mass quarantines now that it is here.
Friend just shared her perspective that this may/may not be a a bioweapon…
–>>however, does it matter if it was an accidental release, natural occurrence/mutation or a purposeful release?
NO – it Only matters if it is used/results in the same affect.
If a new virus shows up and it is USED the same, receives the same coverage in the media, if it causes economies to collapse and wide spread panic, etc., then they have won without even actually having to use a real/purposeful bioweapon!
She referenced a tv show called “Leverage” that created a win in the gov by manipulating perception v. reality.


I was on bing and it lists where the infection is vs deaths and truth be told you’ve got to take out China and Iran since we know those numbers are wrong. Again people are panicking why?
The negative thinking doesn’t help either.


Some more information. Here are a list of products to buy to properly disinfect your area. If it is not on this list, do not buy it. These are the ones that work.

Sadie Slays

Congressional Democrats are calling for a recess because of “coronavirus.” Wonder what’s coming down the pipeline that they’re trying to effectively shut down Congress via self-quarantines and recesses.



G R E A T NEWS….let Congress shutdown.
FISA DIES in four or five days 😉


Of course, the most important thing you will watch. An Italian grandma’s suggestions on how to deal with coronavirus


Daughn, I’m incredbly impressed, AGAIN. I’ve checked all the usual folks who have been tracking info and gathering links, official notices . . .
At least, the best UNCLASS data!
It’s incredible how on the ball we are – not having to “guess” about what’s happening like so many people are.

Gail Combs

From ChiefIO:
“a bit on Vit-D from a clueful M.D. Thesis that Vit-D might help avoid cytokine storms and protects in respiratory disease. May cut risk of infection in half with REGULAR supplements. Not big bolus.”
In other words DO NOT TAKE TOO MUCH VITAMIN D3. Too Much is worse than useless!!

Gail Combs



Yeah the Empire Report really does better with a laugh track 😉


Thank you, Daughn, for the EXCELLENT compilation of links and information. Have bookmarked.


Thank you, Daughn. This is all so valuable. I hope you are remembering to hydrate while you are on the computer! We need you in top form 💖💖💖
Ground report from Mon aft grocery shopping West Denver suburb. Store fully stocked except toilet paper and clorox wipes, although there were plenty of lysol & clorox liquid cleansers on shelf. Grocery store was fairly busy; no one wearing protective gear, and no one coughing or looking unusual. We joked with the clerk about balancing the stockpiling vs the hyper spin in the media, and he responded by holding his arms out as far as he could reach and said one end is reality and the other end is the media!! Went on to say how “off the charts” our local tv stations have been.
He said THE MEDIA is the reason the store was swamped over the weekend!!!!
The clerk then told the couple behind us ( who had two 4-packs of toilet paper) “You know your limit is one roll at a time.” The couple laughed, and the husband said, “I’m remembering all those rolls of toilet paper we wasted in high school TPing houses.” We all chuckled.
I think ONE of the reasons for the run on toilet paper is, unlike food items which we most likely can judge usage by thinking of meals or buying patterns, we don’t know how to judge our TP usage. I couldn’t tell you if we buy TP once a week or monthly or even how often we refill the holder. It’s just always rolls in the cupboard when I need it. Unlike dish detergent or laundry detergent, which we also might be unaware how to judge usage and which we can DELAY needing if we suddenly run out, we cannot delay the need for toilet paper. When you gotta, you gotta go!!


In my house, we — two people — go through one roll a week.

Deplorable Patriot

I can tell u in my house TP is purchased by the case. No running out in crucial situations.


CM in TN

Posted over on Parler and Gab. Thanks for the great info!


“Buy the dips and wash your hands.”
( h/t: https://aim4truth.org )

Sylvia Avery

I like it………very succinct!



Gail Combs

We know the Chinese LIE so lets look at Italy.
16 days after the beginning of the outbreak
Total…………New……Total…….New……..Total…….Active…Serious..tot cases/
Because of ONE ASS-HOLE!

From Nancy & John Hultquist @ ChiefIO
“I had wondered why Italy, specifically the northwest inland area, was a center for the coronavirus.
….Pavia, Italy has been identified as “ground zero” of the coronavirus outbreak. Geographically this doesn’t make much sense. This is Nowheresville compared to Rome, Paris, or Seattle. So why Pavia?
The story is here:
Patient Zero in Italy

Quote from that source:

The man believed to be coronavirus patient zero in Italy is a Pakistani migrant refused to self-isolate after testing positive for the virus and continued to deliver food.
Health authorities asked the man to quarantine himself at his home in the Pavia area for two weeks, but he ignored the request and continued to work at a Chinese restaurant.
He then compounded the risk of spreading the virus by making home deliveries of Chinese food.

So it looks like ONE typhoid Mary caused about 10,000 illnesses and 500 deaths IN SIXTEEN DAYS!!!


A lighter moment of sorts… 😉
Catturd ™ @catturd2
If you’re short on toilet paper – just subscribe to the New York Times.
They’ll deliver it right to your door.
2:55 PM · Mar 9, 2020·Twitter Web App


A certain well known Conservative someone has been angrily tweeting at CPAC leader all weekend demanding the infected attendee be named…on TWITTER! So now a British outlet has outed who they believe the man is and said angry person and another reporter are tweeting it. I just don’t think this DOXXING is cool. Patients deserve their privacy, it wasn’t the leader’s place to reveal. The patient did give a list of folks he talked w/ and those folks were notified. Even some of the Diamond Princess people in quarantine have reported they’re getting death threats. Other countries have had attacks and riots.
I don’t know if said person even went to CPAC. IMO, The anger seems over the top, using the excuse that the public needs to know. Sensing other deeper reasons for hostility???
If anyone that attended has symptoms, then State will surely allow test because there’s a confirmed case already and they want to track spread. If no symptoms, hopefully they’re ok, but if unsure, then self quarantine. Just like our responsible Congressmen are doing. Tests for All are being manufactured and distributed as fast as possilble, but until they’re available, triage is necessary.
I wish MAGA peeps would be responsible, work together, help and protect one another and try to get along! WWG1WGA


Why is it a BIG deal to Know the person’s name? Because retracing the person’s steps is only by memory. EVERYONE who was exposed deserves to know that they were exposed! Plus, right now tests are limited to those with severe symptoms or a direct connection. No one can get tested unless they are notified they were in contact with this person or they can state that they were. Right now, CPAC is letting the people know who the patient (who is now hospitalized) is remembering they had contact with or the CPAC staff remembers they had contact with. Not really fair to everyone who attended as those who might have their own memories of interacting with him might want to be tested. He was a high level donor who bought a backstage access pass and that is why so many big names are isolating and why CPAC says he was not in the general room – he is a big donor with an expensive backstage pass.


DOXXING someone on TWITTER IS NOT COOL!!! To angrily, publicly, scream, bully, and disparage the leader and the conference on Twitter all weekend long is NOT the way to handle the situation.
At this point it’s been 10 days. You either got infected or you didn’t and Having a name makes NO difference.
IF you were infected the only way you’ll know for sure is if you develop symptoms. Then you follow the procedure. For now, Since there are so few tests available you must have symptoms and have either travelled or been in the vacinity of a confirmed case. If you have no symptoms you’re just going to have to wait until testing for worriers becomes available, which may be this week? That’s all we got right now.



‘Interesting statistic that I just learned during the press conference’: Absent Dad must have missed that memo about the under-60s.
Where has he been the past few weeks?
Surely, his father must have made that clear from the beginning.
It is old (no pun intended) news here across the pond.
Sorry, Plumnelly, I’m not getting at you — only him.


I found it strange and posted it for input as always…so you did what you should Churchmouse…questioned.


‘I found it strange’: good!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Testing entrants is a great idea!



Makes you wonder about their protocol. Life Care doesn’t have the best reputation, but this is sad


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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Oh, this is good! We must use this one BIG LEAGUE!!!


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Excellent. Thanks, ozzy!


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That’s a MEME, right?

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy



At least they wouldn’t be grumpy frogs
NEWS MARCH 09, 2020
The French government actually had to tell people that cocaine isn’t a cure for coronavirus after the fake claim spread online
‘No, cocaine does NOT protect against COVID-19.’


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Very surprising the hospital didn’t have infectious disease protocols and proper equipment!
What city was this?


Don’t want to blast in more details than I included as it is not my story to tell and don’t want to get anyone fired. Regret even saying the state.
Point of sharing? a) true story/ground report that demonstrates the seriousness of the illness; b) reminder to not go to hospital during this situation unless absolutely necessary a hospitals are where the sick people/germs are! and c) even hospitals are not properly prepared for this situation so calmly, purposefully and intentionally take wise actions and then carry on

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yes – valuable report – gonna leave it up as is.


It’s very important to me as a mother of a disabled patient IN FL who nearly died last year due to sepsis.


If I didn’t need that information, I would not have asked. LINK and LINK
However, if you still do not wish to disclose the city or hospital, I will understand.


I was 100% foolish in the above post. I realized how foolish over time. Creativity has Zero place in this situation.
1) I omitted details and substituted details do try to obscure for the sake of discretion. Not everyone lives in places that are as free as we are. I regret saying a specific state. My thought process was to be thoughtful and not reveal specifics while getting the message out. You know how in novels names are changed to protect living people if it is “inspired” by real events or a real event is told but names are changed?
However, that was the wrong thing to have done. I was wrong to have written the story the way I did. It did not want/intend to deceive or to cause alarm or to do damage…but intentions are good enough. I should have been 100x more responsible.
After thinking long and hard about it, with very little sleep & not able to eat as I don’t want to cause more trouble, I would rather admit this than do further damage to others. It is much better to ruin my credibility and welcome here than to let the post stand and do any damage to others.
I ought to have simply been vague rather substituting one of our states for the location in which this happened. I deeply regret stating “Florida” and some of the other details to drive home true points.
2) What is the core truth of the above story based on a story?
a) That medical staff are sometimes being surprised with patients walking in medical offices/facilities with the virus.
b) That same were, in some locations, running low on certain supplies and those supplies were, at the time back ordered and not always locally available.
3) Why did I post this story?
a) prepare wisely but don’t hoard to sell or price gouge so that those who need supplies can restock to for immediate use….but do prepare!
b) if you have symptoms, don’t just walk into a medical facility/office as you will then expose all working staff and visiting patients. Call your healthcare provider and/or local health department. Then follow directions.
We have seen in Italy (and other countries) what happens when the medial are exposed, immediately taken out of circulation/work rotations for their own now mandatory quarantines. Or aren’t immediately quarantined and then become carriers/spreaders throughout the medical system and to other patients.
Travlers coming from international locations are being told to not go to the doctor if they develop symptoms but to call instead. All of us should do same if we are concerned.
c) Assume that the hospitals are busier than usual and that hospitals are locations where the sick are…therefore higher risk. this is always true. longer you are in the hospital, greater the risk of cross infections, etc.
d) ask your doctors and your hospitals what they are doing when someone presents or is admitted with Wuhan Flu. If they are not prepared…take note.
e) Only upside to my own HUGE mistake is that best if we all keep in mind that the scenario could happen at any hospital if someone just walks in off the street presenting with flu symptoms. Be aware when/if going to the hospital and inquire v. assume what they are doing. Don’t take it for granted…trust but verify.
f) be grateful that our US medical care has been consistently higher standards than described in the “story” and that our patient death rate is much slower/less with much better treatments that extend life giving the body time to heal than found in the “story” above.
Again, I am very sorry to have posted an inaccurate post to communicate “truth”. The principles, the message stand. Take personal responsibility when seeking medical attention – so that you are not a spreader and so that you are properly cautious.
I realize I have deservedly and regrettably ruined my credibility here. I will still be a ready but too embarrassed to be more than a quiet lurker. BTW, there is no deep plot – I wasn’t try to gin up fear or panic, just trying to promote intention actions, awareness, wisdom and precautions based on stories and events elsewhere. Take care and thank you to all of the writers and commenters here.


MAGA Mom – Are you saying it wasn’t a hospital in FL?
PLEASE stay with us – each and every QTreeper has made mistakes here and embarrassed ourselves to a fair-thee-well! I’ve posted some ill-thought, low-down stuff and have just learned a lot about my own frailty and fallibility and foolishness on this and other blogs.
Saying I’m sorry is enough.
We ALL LOVE YOU and do not want you to ‘go away’ – please, please stay with us…we are all human and that means forgiving and pressing on together.
WWG1WGA!!! ❤️❤️❤️ YOU!!!


I am always too wordy.
Simple Point: I lied in this thread. Please take the point as seriously as if I had not lied in this thread.
Will treasure your words.
Prayers for you, your family, all of us treepers, our families, our President and our country.


We still love you very much! You are cherished and valuable to us. Your honesty about this is a lesson for us all. We all need to hold fast to the truth – as GOD has commanded, for our own sake and others.
Love you!


Specifically to GA/FL:
My personal opinion (which may have Zero credibility with you at this point and that I would understand) is that, despite the above story now having zero validity in reality, you ought to check every facility you take your daughter to for what their procedures are and then stay very aware if/when you are in the medical facility.
I think you do this anyway as you seem to be a Very aware, detailed and informed person.
I am not a democrat and so will not plead “intention” but will instead say that what I did in that post was wrong and I have learned many lessons, lessons I wish I had learned from other’s experiences v. my own gross errors in judgement.
I am sorry that I did mislead readers in these posts…intentions (reasons, excuses) do not matter…I have mislead and made misleading statements and have created a false impression. I apologize for my foolishness and weakness…these last two posts were the only way I know to fix the errors. I humbly apologize and take full responsibility for my own posts.
But I do hope that we stay informed, cautious, aware and prepared and that the point is not lost in the irritation, disappointment, frustration or even anger at my misleading posts.
prayers for you, for your daughter and for you as her caretaker. you are special lady. Take care.

Deplorable Patriot

Latest from the land known as Creve Coeur or broken heart. Trust me, some dad got on the phone and made this happen.


Do I think the media and the Dems are using this wuhan flu for everything possible advantage? YES, YES and YES!
Do I think that quarantines are going to be incredibly disruptive with Zero help from Dems and media? Yes!
Do I think that this virus is WAY more contagious than we are being told? YES!
And do I think death rates are higher than being stated? Yes…look at Italy’s numbers which are true numbers v. China & Iran. But in US, as long as medical system not overwhelmed, will be lower, esp. for younger, healthier people.
The panic is unwise and unnecessary but what I see as panic is the emotionalism v. the action. I see action as wise and intention based on facts.
Look at the Lawyer in NY: how many cases from just that 1 man? Many cases are not serious…good. But still, consider how many from 1 man. Also, the CPAC patient seems to have caught it from the NY Lawyer (synagogue) and then took it to CPAC where many of our nation’s conservative leaders, our VP and our POTUS were potentially exposed! POTUS was exposed to people who were exposed to CPAC patient even if he didn’t meet the CPAC patient. Huge numbers of exposer and straight to our VP and POTUS from 1 NY Lawyer in a matter of the weeks from it hitting US shores.
Stock market? Wuhan being here or the reality of Wuhan in China + Russia/SA oil war?
We are still leaving the house and meeting with others and going to group events. Not panicked. But wise and cautious and taking this Seriously. I am not making fun of others who are taking it seriously and yet with don’t think its the end of civilization. We will have peak numbers and then all will begin to calm and the economy will recover.
But is a serious situation.


Right on, MAGA Mom!!!

Sadie Slays