20200331: Important New Info About Origins of China Virus

It was the top red siren Drudge Link for almost 24 hours and is an important read. Bill Gertz is the National Security Expert for Washington Examiner. He’s also a highly respected expert on SARS virus and has written about China for for over 30yrs. Here is the link: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/30/china-researchers-isolated-bat-coronaviruses-near-/

Bill Gertz was also interviewed today on multiple outlets (He was everywhere today). Here he is on War Room Pandemic, from about 4:25 minutes to about 11 minutes into the program.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fR5I9osXY0

Here’s what happened:

Shanghai Media Group published a video which Bill Gertz found, overlooked by many. The video is of a Chinese employee for their CDC, Tian Junhua ( https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/tian-junhua/ ) who works for the Wuhan Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the national center for China’s bat virus research. Tian Junhua is NOT a doctor, but has been lionized in the media as the “bat virus” guy because he has isolated over 300 different bat viri.

The video obtained by Gertz shows Tian Junhua collecting samples of bat guano in caves in Hubei province. Tian Junhua casually mentions “I am not a doctor, but I work to cure and save people,” Mr. Tian says in the video. “I am not a soldier, but I work to safeguard an invisible national defense line.” Okay, he sees himself as a valuable member of society doing good work. Yet, Tian continues, “”As long as I am not getting sick during the incubation period of 14 days, I can be lucky to get away with it,” he said.

What does he mean by “… as long as I’m not getting sick” and “I can be lucky” and what is this about Tian knowing about a 14 day protocol?

Which led Bill Gertz to MORE questions. Are you ready for it?

The public speculated a great deal about the P4 virus lab, The Institute of Virology, in Wuhan, one of the few in the world, built by the French for the Chinese to study SARS, etc. Yet, the Wuhan Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is a DIFFERENT facility, and only a Security level #2. THAT’s where the bat virus research was taking place, NOT at the highly secure P4 lab.

Yep, there are TWO facilities and we learn later on, MANY more facilities where bat virus is studied throughout China…………………. WUT?

The Chinese video “Youth in the Wild — Invisible Defender” records researchers engaged in casual handling of bats containing deadly viri. The seven-minute film boasts that China has “taken the lead” in global virus research and uncovered over 2,000 viruses in the past 12 years, the time since the outbreak of the bat-origin virus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)……

Prior to China’s discoveries, an estimated 2,284 types of viri had been found in the previous 200 years, the video says.

Chinese state media outlets revealed that Mr. Tian once failed to wear protective gear in a cave and as a result came into contact with bat urine. To avoid contracting a disease, he self-quarantined for 14 days — the same recommended period for people exposed to the new COVID-19 strain.…..

Mr. Tian works for the office of decontamination and biological disease vector prevention and control within the Wuhan CDC. According to a May 2017 report by the Wuhan Evening News, Mr. Tian has gathered thousands of bats for research work on bat viruses since 2012.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/30/china-researchers-isolated-bat-coronaviruses-near-/

Why is a guy who works at a security level 2 lab gathering thousands of samples and not adhering to rigorous protective protocols when handling some of the most deadly diseases known to man? “Until the recent outbreak, all but two coronaviruses in China were studied at biosafety level-2 (BSL-2) facilities — not the high-security BSL-4 laboratory at the Wuhan Institute of Virology — “which provides only minimal protections against infection of lab workers,” said Biosecurity researcher Richard Ebright, a Rutgers University professor at the Waksman Institute of Microbiology.”

That’s not what we thought, was it…….?

“Shenzhen News, a publication of the Guangdong Communist Youth League, described in December how Mr. Tian shuttled through caves and jungles looking for viri in bats and ticks, called “vector organisms,” in the quest to develop vaccines.” He’s been doing this for a long time, at least since 2012. No mention of hazmat suits in the jungle while gathering samples and Professor Ebright was shocked at Tian’s lack of protective gear.

Here’s the kicker: Tian Juhua, the “bat hunter”, has recently disappeared. Searching the Wuhan CDC website since the novel coronavirus outbreak contains no reference to Mr. Tian, his work, or that he co-authored at least two scientific studies on the Wuhan virus and its impact. “Efforts to reach Mr. Tian were not successful.” and “A spokesman for the Chinese Embassy in Washington did not return an email seeking comment.” Yep, Tian has been scrubbed from the website and has disappeared.

From the USA State Dept: ““He lives and works at Wuhan’s CDC, a few hundred yards away from the Huanan wet market,” the official said. “He is among the small team in Wuhan that has contributed to China’s obsession in recent years with virus hunting and research.””

Were you under the assumption the viruses were being studied at the Level 4 Lab? I know I was. In fact, deeper in the Gertz article, from Professor Ebright we learn, that bat viri are studied in labs ……….. all over China. Huh?

The Wuhan Institute of Virology is the big and secure level 4 lab, but all the real work on bat virus was being done across town, about 3 miles away from the Wet Market. ….Which leads us back to Bill Gertz, his discussions with Biosecurity researcher Richard Ebright, the professor from Rutgers, ……. and the Gertz interview with Steve Bannon on War Room Pandemic.

This means it is highly probably the virus may have escaped as part of research from the Level 2 lab in one of 4 ways, it is a real possibility, and China needs to open the records of both labs to the world:

  1. The virus could have leaked from a sample in transit from the cave back to the CDC in China.
  2. It could have leaked from the Level 2 laboratory.
  3. It could have leaked if the Level 2 lab transported live virus to the Level 4 lab.
  4. The virus could have leaked from the Inst of Virology, the Level 4 Lab.

We need some answers.

Ebright continued in the Washington Examiner article (emphasis is mine):

“Virus collection, culture, isolation or animal infection at BSL-2 with a virus having the transmission characteristics of the outbreak virus would pose high risk of accidental infection of a lab worker, and from the lab worker, the public,” he said.

Mr. Ebright said the Chinese video shows Wuhan CDC workers under Mr. Tian’s direction with inadequate personal protective equipment and unsafe practices, including exposed faces and wrists and a lack of goggles or face shields. Such practices “would pose substantial risk of infection with a virus having transmission properties similar to those of the outbreak virus,” he said.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/30/china-researchers-isolated-bat-coronaviruses-near-/

Many western scientists accept the official CCP party line, “Virus was not a bioweapon and did not escape from a lab.”

Steven W. Mosher, however, takes a cynical view. Mosher is a China specialist with the Population Research Institute and said China has been doing research for years on Horseshoe Bat coronavirus, like SARS, detailed in scientific journals, ones which could be harmful and infect humans directly, just like SARS. Mr. Mosher said, “They write about genetically engineering new and deadly viri capable of infecting human lung tissue — just like the Wuhan flu does.”

Bill Gertz found the news report from 2017 and the video was made in 2019.

******UPDATE******

Tucker Carlson did an entire segment on this very story. Senator Cruz wonders why the MSM is not reporting on this story. Well, the Q TREE did report, and we beat Tucker Carlson on the scoop. We really are the news now.

Research Paper from the guys at South China Inst of Technology, now scrubbed. We found it. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1228664201452765185.html PDF: https://www.scribd.com/document/447056518/Originsof2019-NCoV-XiaoB-Res#from_embed

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