20200331: CoronaCRISIS/ China Virus Daily Thread

For the time being, given our national emergency, we are switching to DAILY COVID-19/China Virus threads instead of weekly threads. Your comments and updates are most welcome. PLEASE continue to post your valuable information, hard source links, and local observations within these Daily Threads. Additionally, we will try to include links to government and official pressers, so those who no longer have cable can remain informed.

Thank you Flep, for the transcript link to presser: Here is the transcript from yesterday’s press briefing: https://publicpool.kinja.com/subject-remarks-by-president-trump-vice-president-pen-1842617556

We’ll get through this crisis, together. As a group, there is probably no one better prepared than we are.

For our newcomers: The Q Tree community has been diligent in covering the threat of Coronavirus, COVID19, Wuhan FLU. We started accumulating information about this virus in mid-late January, in what became almost weekly threads. We’ve been weeks, if not months, ahead of MSM outlets to vet rumors and other medical papers, etc.

Primary Update Links:

In our past weekly threads, we assembled information on the following:

  • Primary update links. The dashboard from Johns Hopkins which counts “official” cases all over the world, the CDC, and WHO, and includes the links for our past threads.
  • Hard Data Medical Information- Explanation about testing, reliance on China for drugs, analysis of NE Journal of Medicine results and other published papers.
  • Vaccine and theraputics (new/old drugs to alleviate symptoms) news and updates 
  • Trump Administration response (the timeline and links to various agencies)
  • China Responses, timelines, research, attempt to cover actions, or secrecy in results discovered.
  • An aggregate of info/responses from other countries, listed by country.
  • Economic impact from around the world. A change in economic activity will indicate a “return to normal”.
  • Speculation/debunking on how the virus started
  • Media Bias, political response, and debunking section, like the article from AP News, overt bias from Politico, inflammatory headlines, etc.  
  • Other medical info to boost immune system, herbal remedies, ways to keep your house clean and NOT spread the virus to others. Excellent information to incorporate into daily lifestyle.
  • Hard links for OTHER valuable sources/blogs and a brief sentence or two about what they provide
  • Other news items

Our weekly updates. timelines, collection of valuable information, can be found here:

Please try to keep your sense of humor during this National Emergency, and remember, patience is a virtue.

Love to all!

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MAGA Mom

Major hospital chain: Board of Directors will not take pay for the rest of the year; all execs taking 30% cut, CEO donating all salary for next 2 months to employee fund; significant sector of employees laid off/put on stand by with 70% pay until mid may and will go from there depending on conditions (already had 1 round of layoffs); all non essential projects on hold
anyone on clinical side will receive full pay regardless of PTO while recovering if contract WuFlu
beginning to provide childcare, lodging, laundry, meals for clinal workers. some do not want to go home in case infected and don’t want to spread to family between time of infection and symptoms. all was mentioned in press conference yesterday that they are now allowed to do and they are doing it.
As the briefing addressed yesterday – hospitals are having cash flow issues because they have canceled all elective surgeries, great reduction in incoming cash & at the same time are spending big $ to prepare (supplies, equipment).
healthcare systems have been pulling LONG hours to ramp up new programs, to solve problems, etc., in every area of the support system from financial to HR to regulatory oversight to informatics to the C suite. LONG hours.
If you see results on the ground and think, no way could they have made these changes this quickly! They started all of this long time ago as part of a Chinese plan….NOPE (there is a china plan and this is an attack – I am pretty sure) these people are working and working, some ideas you see now were just 1 of several to solve that problem and now one was picked and executed all in the last weeks.
Just because it looks hard to have done in a short time does not mean it is impossible.
Don’t chalk up to conspiracy/negative plan what is really Great American workmanship, can do attitude and get ‘er done determination in face of this attack. That is a disservice to Many great American men and women in the gov, military, health care and private industry of all sorts.
PS:
first thing I thought when I heard Pence talk about the new reporting info that they will now be gathering from points of care? A team has been working day/night to get a new dashboard build and a reporting program/data base to receive, process, store and run reports for all of that data. And will keep doing so as kinks/bugs crop up. They must be exhausted!
second thing I thought: Great strategy – going to Pence, by passing CDC and any potential resistors/deep staters, etc.
But putting that together so quickly? Not suspicious – admirable!

Teagan

Must be a for-profit hospital …as far as I know non-profits do not pay their Board members.

MAGA Mom

Yes, it is a company not an org. or church own hospital system. A healthcare company/business.
And I asked if this was public info before posting – lessons learned! 🙂

MAGA Mom

And thankfully, yes we do have private/”for-profit” hospitals & healthcare systems. Capitalism and free market healthcare is a key issue that conservatives are fighting for and that Dems want to demolish as they want it all non profit and gov run. I don’t think the Dems would be satisfied with only removing for profit. It is my impression that they want all gov.

Teagan

Lots of non-profits are community-owned, not affiliated with any organizations, religion, etc.
In my experience, many times the for-profits are run managed in a more efficient manner.

michaelh

IHME Model Chris Murray – Slide looks like a hurricane cone 😉

rf121

CDC is listing dead at 2860. According to the models, we will hit at least 100,000 dead in the next two weeks at the peak. Maybe 200,00 with the mitigation. I think the models are as reliable as climate change models. If the body count stays low come two weeks there will be riots against these idiots in government.

MAGA Mom

This is literally NOT true. President Trump and his team Never ever said 100-200K deaths in the next 2 weeks. Deaths are not supposed to peak in the next two weeks – new diagnosis peak. BIG differences.
Please understand the info so that we don’t start our own fake news/misinformation. We say this now and then people will criticize in 2 weeks when we do not have 100-200K deaths.
They are not saying 100-200K deaths in the next 2 weeks. They just addressed this in the press conference.
In 2 weeks – surge of New Cases. Then New cases continue but fewer new cases (if all goes well) per day although some places will have localized surges. This means the Most cases in one day in the US may happen, our peak of new cases in about 2 weeks.
That does not mean that all of our new cases are will be over. It means that the highest point of new cases will happen and then fewer cases from there … All dependent on doing what we are doing now to get the lowest #s of cases possible.
The death of the cases does not take place at the exact same time as the cases are diagnosed/tested. The deaths “lag”, come later as the cases resolve, as the patients pass away or recover.
Recoveries, in most cases, are taking longer to recover than to pass away although some do linger before passing. Point is, newly diagnosed will peak and then those patients work their way through their viruses and recover or pass away over the next days and weeks.

rf121

I am watching the news conference and I saw the slides. DEAD is what was shown and what they said. Now I know why people were getting tired of your arrogant bullshit.

kalbokalbs

Uh, maybe, just maybe, the correct interpretation IS over the course of the curve rise and fall, the projected death toll is 100K-200K total. Based on the model. As opposed to in the next two weeks.
IMO, Maga Mom explained reality pretty clearly.

MAGA Mom

“I am watching the news conference and I saw the slides. DEAD is what was shown and what they said. Now I know why people were getting tired of your arrogant bullshit.”
Seriously? Unbelievable.
Watch if for yourself with close caption. find some news articles. go to the website Dr. Birx recommended. Educate yourself before you curse at someone and say such ugly things.
waste of my time.
I get this on social media … don’t need it from supposed MAGA voters and supposedly fellow Trump supporters.
There is too much fake news happening here on this issue and too many ignoring President Trump’s leadership.
Why did I explain in detail above that no, not 100-200K in the next 2 weeks? Because it is fake news and misinformation based on misunderstanding that would further erode confidence in President Trump’s leadership and him asking us to stay home, etc. + would lead others to endanger themselves and others by thinking it didn’t come true so all must be a hoax.
So explaining for your benefit, safety and to support President Trump. And so you & MAGA don’t loose credibility if you take this fake news/misinformation onto social media.
I will spend my “spare” time fighting for President Trump on social media instead of having to fight with people to Trust Trump here and at least there I expect this name calling, cursing and rudeness from leftist and trolls and am prepared.
Trust Trump. MAGA Vote Trump 2020.
(Insert some of Wolf’s vocal here)

MAGA Mom

Here is the model Dr. Birx referred to on Sunday and again yesterday. 100-200K total. highest day of any one day is ~3K
100-200K total if we all do what we President Trump is making us to do.
https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections
:28 mark
totals of the different curves – the labels happen to be placed at the top of the peak on the graphs but is not how much at the peak

All deaths lag behind diagnosis as it takes time for the patient’s case to resolve in death/recovery After diagnosis.
They refine the models 2x a day based on incoming data so it gets more refined as time goes on as we get the data back on how we are affecting the original projections by following President Trump’s leadership and requests of us.

Linda

No, he didn’t say that many at the peak. But that many total for the entire cone, which would be a couple months.

rf121

He has said now about 15 times. “At least 100,000 people dead in a very short period of time”.

kalbokalbs

Very short period of time…as in the next 6 – 8 weeks. Whatever collective time their chart said on the horizontal axis.

rf121

Holly shit. I guess my hearing loss from working in boiler rooms has finally caught up to me. My bad. I obviously did not hear right. Probably should get my vision checked while I am at it.

kalbokalbs

Its all in fun. We live and learn.
Boiler rooms as in USN 600 / 1200 lb systems.
Wasn’t a snipe, but surely appreciated the BTs and such that managed the boilers…

rf121

Yes. Two 600’s and my last was a 1200 on CG-21, Gridley.

kalbokalbs

Quite doubtful we bumped into each other.
That said, was in Yokosuka 87-91 and rather sure we delivered some ordnance either pier side or at anchor.
Then CTF-73/75, 91-95, (Subic then Singapore) as SEVENTHFLT Ordnance Logistics.

highlander

Models are models——NOT scientifically performed studies. Also, WHO is reporting this information from these models—–ie, what is that person’s history/agenda/hoped for outcome…….?

rf121

I think you missed my link to climate models. All this data is crap.

GA/FL

Here it is!

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MAGA Mom

Both yesterday and today, the press conferences are focused on the data, the #s and how/why they are making decisions and what we need to do.
Aslo, tactfully, hammering NYC for their foolishness in lack of mitigation.
WH & President Trump are explaining over and over again why we need to stay home, not get infected and not spread the virus. We don’t want anywhere else to be like NJ and NYC. but it is up to each of us to do our part, our patriotic part in this mobilization against an attack against the US.
Trust Trump – listen to him in person at this press conference. Understand he is working hard to keep the #s very low. Cooperate with President Trump. We elected him to be our leader – now we need to follow the leader we elected!

wolfmoon1776

Trump is MEGA-MAGA-PRESIDENTIAL – but even MOAR!!! He’s like BUSINESS TITAN VS. THE VIRUS!!!

MAGA Mom

I can’t say enough good about him. watching him through this has been amazing.
I used to think – as great as Washington. Nope – GREATEST ever. Not just his policies but getting things done, handling so many issues at once, problem solving, etc.
I just can’t praise him enough. My only regret is that I didn’t do more to elect him by a bigger number.

highlander

Oh my Wolfie—-that is a mouthful ! the FACTS we need to know jump right out. Thanks!

kea

So it seems people are bored and running around Walmart and home depot with one-week-old babies. Rolls eyes. Yeah I’m staying at home.
Funny thing is all the neighbors are chatting over the fences. Lots of gardening and yard work going on. Its like this:

GA/FL

THESE are available for keeping babies safe….

kea

yeah but still why bring the whole family to walk around walmart for two hours. They are going to get these stores to close if they keep this up.

GA/FL

Why? Because they haven’t got good sense! Some people can’t cook for their families….can’t clean, cook, sew…. they don’t know how to hunker down, play card and board games, sing together, etc.

kea

LOL Turn on the TV, play video games, check the FB. LOL
The one person who lives close to us only plays video games. Get this he went for a walk today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gail Combs

“….why bring the whole family to walk around walmart for two hours….”
They want to earn Darwin awards???
The parking lot at Lowes Home Improvement was slam pack full when I drove by. I have never seen it that full!
I had to get feed and the store owner was very nice. Opened 1/2 hour early for me and loaded everything into my truck where it stayed in the full sun all day to get the bags sterilized.

kalbokalbs

Hope Big T is back at the top of his game.

kea

LOL love it.
Home Depots lot was packed!!! Crazy!

GA/FL

WE WANT HCQ + ZPAKS!!!

mollypitcher5

The agenda21 or 30 crowd has shot themselves in the foot with this one…if I was younger and all in on the live sustainably, close together, share bathrooms, etc etc….not after this, I’d be thinking of getting me a place in the country .

Deplorable Patriot

I’ve lived in rural areas. I’ll stick to a city with green space like my hometown. Rural is not for everyone. Neither is the ‘burbs. Nor the city.
We can have a variety.

mollypitcher5

Just saying…this may change the perception that living on top of each other may have some unexpected downside. Living in a single family home in a nice neighborhood is a world away from living in an apartment building where a thousand people touch doors, washing machines, stair rails, elevator buttons even if there’s a fantastic park nearby.

Alison

MAGA Mom

Ugh. press conference talking about vaccinations. Yuck.
But also talking huge list of treatments being addressed that are being tested. Trump Treatment esp.
Drugs that already exist are faster because just testing with this disease v. general use.
Vaccines – emergency use early, mentioned this summer or fall. Double Ugh! Don’t want that pressure.
POTUS: doctors using Trump Treatment. mentioning that some medical workers are using it as a preventative. LOVE his man. Getting the word out to medical professionals before the FDA is getting the world out. He Forces everyone onto Trump Time!!!

trumpismine

MAGA Mom

Acosta trying to make his mark today by asking what are the models if you had taken these actions, if we had done mitigation back in feb. would more lives had been saved?
If President Trump had done more sooner the left and Dem’s would have screamed bloody murder.
Even waiting until March when we all knew it was here and should have known what was coming – the Dems, the media and even conservatives and even MAGA supporters *still* aren’t fully supportive of our President Trump and his leadership and recommendations.
even here on this blog, many dedicated Trump supporters and MAGA voters, readers right here, are still not fully supportive even now when we have proof that President Trump is Right and doing a Tremendous job.
Acosta sucks and his drilling down on this lack of Feb action by POTUS. 3rd time he is asking. he sucks.

MAGA Mom

emphasizing prevention strategy by travel bans
moved to mitigation in feb and began all the things that you see now.
Emphasizing that it is up to Each and Everyone of us to stop/slow the spread which helps reduce cases + reduce the surge burden on our health care system/hospitals.
Pence: “we must preserving our medical capacity” so that those that are sick and in the hospital can be properly treated.

michaelh

What the President did was triggered by the WHO announcement screaming the word “PANDEMIC!” – it was the plannedemic trigger for this phase.

Deplorable Patriot

That projection chart has an awfully wide plume of variable.
IOW, they have no idea what’s going to happen.
Fine. I’ll work on my summer tan every day the sun is out. I can’t get arrested for being in my own back yard, can I?

rf121

Not yet.

Alison

Probability of the model being realistic depends on the degree to which it is skewed because of current New York & New Jersey data being so high that other states never match, and the degree to which other states either “naturally” differ from those two or the way other states are successful at mitigation.
Urban vs rural is a huge factor, but so is the level of cooperation from citizens.
I worry about Florida and Louisiana for various reasons.

Deplorable Patriot

I was thinking more along the lines of the prognosticators CYAing.

Alison

That goes without saying 🤓
But today’s tone and presentation were different. They now have enough data from states to really show us, the public, that stopping the transmission is the key, and that our actions do matter. Not news to most of us here.
I wish they hadn’t thrown out the 100k-200k, because I think the graphs were stark enough to get the point across, but the media would hound them until they put a number to it.
The state-by-state graph was fascinating, even if it was hard to discern my own state’s line.

wolfmoon1776

100,000-200,000 is pretty darn good, IMHO. Birx and Fauci have done a good job to narrow it down to a binary order. I’m actually impressed.

Alison

I agree, Wolf. Today was a very important presser, and the whole team came through with data and explanations. How it gets falsely reported and misinterpreted is out of their/our control, but it appeared the press pool today was listening.

kalbokalbs

Oh yea. Today’s presentation was clear and based on data.
Two thoughts. States need to follow guidance and NOT act like NY and NJ early on. folks behave, numbers will come in lower than projected.
^^^ Collective data projection largely based on NY and NJ being farkeled.up.
We have a wild card of sorts. Betting HCQ and Zpaks NOT factored into model. HCQ and Zpak use should drive deaths way down. My hope anyway.

Alison

That’s a great point, Kal about whether the models took into account the treatments!!

wolfmoon1776

AMEN. That’s what I’m thinking, too. And there may be more than one joker in the deck to make things go our way!
Remember – NO CHICOMS are coming here. Aw, too bad. And funny thing – now we have MOTIVE on the ChiComs to LIE about the state of the pandemic there. They never had time to deliver the KNIFE to America. Try to FAKE a clean-up and BEG TRUMP TO OPEN THE GATES.
AW, TOO BAD!!! Maybe it should STAY THAT WAY, TOO.
Can’t trust CCP. CCP is ASSHOE.

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A really bad flu season.

kea

Well I’d expect it in this video

Alison

MAGA Mom

Good. Really focusing on this a couple of different times in press conference.

wolfmoon1776

This guy is a TOOL. People DIED because of this TOAD.

Alison

I wonder if NV is also behind the curve in trying to get the meds or if they’ve been hoarding or if Harry’s goons will confiscate some and rescue the gov’s ass.

kalbokalbs

100% I’d bet there is NO shortage of HCQ in NV.
1. FEMA in every state is engaged. 2) Seemingly President Trump or VP Pence has a governors TELCON daily. NV asshats only need to request assistance with gaining HCQ…reasonable patient HCQ details (Ongoing and logical projection details), and there every need will be filled.
Same crap we hear about the ventilators. No hospital is going without. Ventilators are being shipped to meet demand and defendable emerging demand.
Its all common sense.

Alison

I am very glad he is talking so often to the governors.

pgroup

The tweet says all his decisions were based on the experts.
So why the fuck is he the governor? He’s unnecessary if experts are running the show.
Typical of the “not me” excuse I remember from childhood:comment image?content-type=image%2Fpng

pgroup

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pgroup

Wordpiss again.

kalbokalbs

As posted above, Siaolak “chief” medical officer is NOT even board certified in the US.
Perfect example of crisis mismanagement. Rule of thumb when I was working was, 1) identify the problem, 2) identify one or moar solutions, 3) pick the best solution and execute.
Sisolak and his idiot minion are failures.

kalbokalbs

Sisolak epitomizes, POS. NV Chief Medical Officer (charitable description) below. Multiple sources on web…
FTA
Nevada Governor Sisolak’s Chief Medical Officer Who Banned Hydroxychloroquine for Treating Coronavirus DOES NOT Have License to Practice Medicine.
*https://www.lucianne.com/2020/03/31/nevada_governor_sisolaks_chief_medicalbrofficer_who_banned_hydroxychloroquinebrfor_treating_coronavirus_does_not_havebrlicense_to_practice_medicine_30759.html

bakocarl

But, undoubtedly, he completely fills the shoes of being a medical EXPERT.

MAGA Mom

OAN – back to Trump Treatment.
They are doing a great job. She is pushing Fauci
He is insisting on randomized controlled trial. She is saying many trials around the word.
She did a great job on pushing forward.

kalbokalbs

Given the opportunity to try his double blind tests, I’d demand, “Right To Try”. As you point out and many have, we know HCQ side effects.

MAGA Mom

Now talking about illegally impeaching him + FBI … will not talk about it now – mentions Horowitz report, McCabe, Comey, etc.
Says country is not going to take it .. will talk about it later
phony impeachment, hoax

MAGA Mom

He asks the reporters if they ever run out of questions.
I would like to see the reporters with no cell phones/internet connected devices because my suspicion is that many of them are fed questions v. coming up with them on their own.

MAGA Mom

POTUS mentioning the NY didn’t buy their ventilators when they had the chance.
Also, mardi gras and LA.
homeless in CA – POTUS, I know it bothers the governor but do not know if it bothers Nancy
snort laugh, he went there!

wolfmoon1776

These agenda questions from the press – these LOADED TRICK QUESTIONS – so terrible. These “press” are communist ASSHOES. They are not good journalists. I’m better. YOU’RE better.
Enemy of the people.

TheseTruths

“Mr. President, do you think your statement two weeks ago that we have a handle on this might have given people false hope [and, by implication, caused them to not be careful, get sick, and die]?”
It’s a gotcha question asked for the sole purpose of attacking and accusing Pres. Trump. Enemies, indeed, of us all.

MAGA Mom

UGH – acosta Again
what a jerk
He is explaining when he said calming statements that was leadership and attitude but he was focused on solutions and hope, encouragement even while he was mobilizing and making tremendous strides to mitigate and prepare.
Trust Trump – he takes it seriously and needs us to help him mitigate/slow the spread.

michaelh

Acosta has pissed so many people even the Cabal is going to turn against him 😛

kea

Question: Why aren’t more companies offering free shipping on everything? Like Kohls or lowes.
I’d be buying more online. This would also help by getting us to NOT go into stores.

wheatietoo

There is no such thing as “free shipping”, Kea.
They just add the cost of the shipping into the price of the items they’re selling.
So you’re still paying for shipping.
Calling it “free shipping” is a marketing gimmick.

kea

True. It just seems that companies would be jumping on this asap. I guess not.

wheatietoo

Most of the ‘big box’ stores already offer online shopping.
A lot of smaller regional stores are starting to offer ‘curbside pickup’ where customers can phone in and order and pick it up outside the store.
🙂

kea

Yes but sadly like some plants I want its in store only!!! 🙁 I’ll have to wait.

GA/FL

Uh….there are TWO cruise ships wanting to come into FL…

Alison

Putting this here for those who understand the medical terms – the whole thread is infomative & seems legit

GA/FL

Very interesting!

mollypitcher5

Have they ever addressed why the massive unhealthy homeless population hasn’t been literally wiped out by this?i

Alison

No one will ask that question (I did a few days ago 🤓). It does not make sense that it didn’t hit those camps early and hard!

mollypitcher5

Agree, makes no sense at all

Tom F

Alison: ‘ It does not make sense that it didn’t hit those camps early and hard!’
Could it be that it wasn’t intended for those folks?
NY–Chinese New Year, promoted by who? plus agency heads. (not Fed)
New Orleans-Marti Gras, promoted by who? plus agency heads (not Fed)
FL-Spring break–Promoted? by who? (not Fed) (not Gov?)
Infection and distribution= proven hot spots?
West coast has low numbers. Travel ban? Concerts canceled?

GA/FL

There was also a special Carnival Mardi Gras cruise ship coming into New Orleans at Mardi Gras.

Alison

All good thoughts, Tom. Thanks!
It just seems like the homeless are in every city and have many compromised immune systems, not to mention their living conditions. It’d be great if this virus spares them, but it still confounds me!

kalbokalbs

Maybe it did hit the homeless and was never diagnosed. Deaths written off with whatever “cause of death” was easily justified.

MAGA Mom

Just because POTUS doesn’t always say the worst case – take him seriously but not always literally in his general statements. Watch his actions and follow his leadership.
He has asked us day after day to social distance, to say home, to shut down, to take hygiene seriously, to not go grab masks in the store or ordering online so that medical staff can use them but that they are a good idea and cover your mouth with a scarf if you don’t have mask – listen to him!!!
He is our quarterback or coach (i am not a sports person so figure which I mean! ha) so we need to play the calls He makes. Trust Trump!
Trust Trump. Sure, we already Know to ignore the drama, fake news and worst case of media…but that does NOT mean to flip to the extreme opposite – that there is No emergency. Neither is true. Truth is in the middle, mixed in with fake news.
POTUS – Pence working literally 24 hrs a day at times to make all of this happen. (same for navy getting those ships out early, private industry, gov, etc. – all working Very hard!)

para59r

Just remember the first day the press asked about masks was yesterday and then again today and they still have not grasped that the mask is primarily to prevent too much spread of CV from the asymptomatic spreader. The protection the mask affords an un-effected person is secondary to that but definitely an added value even at the scarf level which is 50% if made of cotton blend.
I find it amazing that just because the WHO recommends that the general public not wear masks that everyone accepts that evil advice. It’s taking far too long to break the code on something that should be common sense for living in a hot or even a warm spot but I think were going to get there.

wolfmoon1776

“He loves Jesus.”
WOW. That is some fearless belief right there!

MAGA Mom

That was very nice – moving! He is so genuine, real and transparent.
I can understand more than ever why men who have been in battle with great leaders, why they will follow those leaders anywhere. I have read about that in many wars throughout US history and of course, Gen. Washington is famous for how loyal his men were to him by the end of the war.
I get that and I have never been under literal fire. Loyalty earned over and over again by this man

MAGA Mom

I was driving home yesterday listening to the press conference (husband said not 1 word about hour+ of video data – isn’t he good to me?!) and I was so moved, moved to tears, when God was brought to the national stage by Pillow manufacturing man yesterday. Outstanding. Just a natural part of his life and our WH but not being pushed. Some people think being pushed just because mentioned.

MAGA Mom

masks – cdc recommending that because “true” or to save for medical workers.
Answer by Birx: under discussion. recommend if you are ill and if you have a sick person at home. But under discussion what to recommend.
Again, President Trump emphasizing using scarfs, if you don’t have masks.

wolfmoon1776

I may start doing a scarf / bandana.

michaelh

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wolfmoon1776

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michaelh

Perfect!!!

Gail Combs

Wolfie, as I said on the other page double the upper part over so it is four ply. That gives you much more filtration.

Volgarian8301

Can also slip a piece of vacuum bag between the layers to increase filtration

trumpismine

I have a few of these,comment image

wolfmoon1776

Now that’s interesting!!!

wolfmoon1776

Press AGENDA QUESTION tried to insert a CANKLEBOT into the decision chain of command.
PENCE puts a WOODEN STAKE IN IT with his answer.
FUCK YOU, COMMUNIST PRESSTITUTES.
No “Incident Commander” you PIECES OF SHIT.

MAGA Mom

Pence is also impressive in this emergency. Have been impressed.
And his handling of the press is style his own style, his own speaking style, his own personality but he has toughened and learned to handle the press!

wolfmoon1776

Yes – Pence is really proving himself under fire.

Gail Combs

Actually Pence has a much better speaking style than President Trump at these press beatings.
Unfortunately President Trump is STUCK having to actually read a written speech so the Fake News can not play ‘I GOTCHA ‘successfully. He is much better when he ad libs.

wolfmoon1776

It’s a good tag team. Trump’s speaking style is a beautiful LASER POINTER and the DIRTY CATS follow it like CRAZY.
Did you see how our VSG BAITED the Fake News with the word “holocaust” but didn’t use it? Oh, the man is a GENIUS. Refused to fall for their games.
BRILLIANT MOVE.
2.2 million. Those are real HITLER HOLOCAUST numbers. Back when the numbers were honest, uninflated, shocking and the scholars properly divided up the different groups the NAZIS killed – of which there were many. Several came in at various MILLIONS.
CHINAZIS.
The VSG never said it, but we can see it.

wolfmoon1776

Sorry for the cursing, but I can see communist tactics with my eyes closed. I despise these communists and useful idiots disguised as journalists.

MAGA Mom

First, your blog, your rules.
Second, Those are the words we have for expressing intense emotions…understandable in these circumstances.
We homeschool…my son knows some of the words…and he learned them from homeschool…I tried to blame it on the movies husband and he watch…but, no, its me, from back in the day…still in there and comes out at intense moments.
Yes, this virus is an attack. Yes, many expected it and are still trying to use it for their own purposes.
We are at war with an invisible enemy of the virus…which I think is more of an invisible attack against some known/suspected enemies.
When we understand the reality of this thing being here – intense emotions and reactions are expected and appropriate.

michaelh

I read about the bombers in WWII. The commanders at the top kept forcing the bombers to go out. EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. WITHOUT. FAIL. WITHOUT. STOPPING. KEEP. GOING. KEEP. FIGHTING. NO. BREAKS. NEVER. STOPPING. RELENTLESS. WITHOUT. REST. WITHOUT. FURLOUGH. JUST. KEEP. THEM. FLYING. AND. DON’T. LET. UP. NO. MATTER. HOW. TIRED.
It was the Patton mindset in the air campaign. If you are tired and hungry and need a rest the enemy feels even worse than you do, so ATTACK while he is weak.
Trump just went two and a half hours of HAND TO HAND COMBAT with these JACKALS.
He is wearing them down and wearing them out.
Not just the press corps – the networks too.
EVERY NEW DAY IS A CAMPAIGN BATTLE TO WIN.

Gail Combs

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wolfmoon1776

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ForGodandCountry

Dont mean to step on your post, Mike, but what you read about our bombers in WWII is not true.
The operational tempo you speak of didnt happen because it was both unsustainable and unrealistic, for a host of reasons, including….and most especially….bad weather. And europe has lots of bad weather all the time. WWII bombers were 100% dependent upon being able to visually see the target from altitude. Tens of thousands of missions were scrubbed throughout the war in all theaters because of overcast skies. In fact, during the Battle of the Bulge, the bad weather was a KEY factor in the early successes of that last german offensive of the war, because by that time the allies had established air superiority. HOWEVER thick, overcast skies kept our fighters and bombers grounded for almost two solid weeks. Were it not for that bad weather and the german exploitation of it, Bastone and the Bulge would not have been what it was.

wolfmoon1776

WOW – that is a YUGE tactical lesson, and we need to adapt it EVERYWHERE.

MAGA Mom

Many good press conferences but yesterday’s and todays have been two of my favorite. Because most recent in memory or really particularly good? IDK but both have been really great!
Birx – not calling it a “lock down”, just modeled people staying home – trusting people to social distance
We Never modeled people being taken out of their home and put somewhere else….Good to know we didn’t model China’s behavior. And that is what makes me want to scream every time press talks about our #s v. China #s. Want to lock people into their homes like we saw in China? Crazy press/media!
POTUS emphasizing how contagious this virus is.

wolfmoon1776

Our method is 1000 times better than China’s. They were dragging people out of homes for POLITICAL REASONS under cover. Some were probably dying for economics. Some were dying for politics. But they pulled people out to KILL THEM. Pure and simple.
We don’t need that stuff.
We keep people at home so THEY WILL LIVE and OTHERS WILL LIVE. This was one of the smartest ideas ever to beat this bug. It’s simple, but extraordinarily effective. Sylvia and I are proof that it WORKS on both levels.
Very glad that Trump – unlike Obama – is always making the BEST decision – not letting the PRESSTITUTES force BAD POLITICAL DECISIONS on us.

para59r

Maybe tomorrow they’ll ask about tossing scarfs into the model… Fauci and Birx might be sweating that question this very minute 😁 Meanwhile POTUS is already ahead with his answers from yesterday and today.

trumpismine

This press conference was one the best and one the most frightening.
Thank God we have VSGPOTUS Trump when we all really needed him.
God Sent!

kalbokalbs

Brutal truth factually presented. Any other way and Americans wouldn’t pay attention.
Hope MCM covered it. Americans need to hear the unvarnished truth. NOT skewed MCM sound bites.

para59r

Loved the 600,000 civil war deaths answer, snatched that one out of the air like zeus grabbing lightning bolts from the sky. VSG is for a reason.

wolfmoon1776

Overall, a much better press conference this time. More RESPECT. Only one really nasty question.
Trump played the fish just right this time!!!

MAGA Mom

When talking about 2nd wave, etc. again, back to the vaccines.
Interesting that POTUS came back and immediately also mentioned treatments that are proving effective…general reference and non specific….but what hope flares in me is that we will have such effective treatments that at the virus is rendered routine & vaccine only for those who prefer that route &/or who work in healthcare (like flu vaccine is now)
OK – that is it. Have been bed bound for almost 48 hours/Sunday night – but much better so heading outside to enjoy the evening with family doing gardening.
Hope my notes helpful – few direct quotes and obviously notes are filled with my own perspective. 😉
Bigger Hope? Everyone was watching for themselves. so much info

kalbokalbs

Thank you!

Gail Combs

ON MASKS…..
IT IS YOUR BREATH THAT CONTAINS THE VIRUS!!!
There is confusion on this subject so here are various scientific studies.
FLU IN GENERAL
Infectious virus in exhaled breath of symptomatic seasonal influenza cases from a college community

Significance
Lack of human data on influenza virus aerosol shedding fuels debate over the importance of airborne transmission. We provide overwhelming evidence that humans generate infectious aerosols and quantitative data to improve mathematical models of transmission and public health interventions. We show that sneezing is rare and not important for—and that coughing is not required for—influenza virus aerosolization. Our findings, that upper and lower airway infection are independent and that fine-particle exhaled aerosols reflect infection in the lung
Fine-aerosol viral RNA was also positively associated with having influenza vaccination for both the current and prior season.
Discussion
….Finding infectious virus in 39% of fine-aerosol samples collected during 30 min of normal tidal breathing in a large community-based study of confirmed influenza infection clearly establishes that a significant fraction of influenza cases routinely shed infectious virus, not merely detectable RNA, into aerosol particles small enough to remain suspended in air and present a risk for airborne transmission. Because these data were collected without volunteers having to breathe through a mouthpiece or perform forced coughs, they allow us to provide estimates of average shedding rates, variability, and time course of and risk factors for shedding that can be used to provide well-grounded parameter estimates in future models of the risk of airborne influenza transmission from people with symptomatic illness…..

SIX FEET IS ABSOLUTE MINIMUM!
Stand Back: Flu Virus Travels 6 Feet

…Researchers know that flu spreads through the air, especially when people cough or sneeze. But more specific details about flu transmission, such as the amount of virus a sick person produces and spreads into the air around him, was not clear, said study researcher Dr. Werner Bischoff, of Wake Forest School of Medicine in North Carolina. [See How to Avoid Spreading the Flu.]
It was previously thought that the flu spreads mainly through large particles, or droplets, in the air that travel short distances, from 3 to 6 feet. But the new study showed most flu viruses are found in very small particles in the air, Bischoff said. Smaller particles can travel farther than larger ones, he said. Because the study did not look at distances beyond 6 feet, the researchers cannot say whether the flu virus can travel farther….

….
CHINESE VIRUS SPECIFICALLY
….
Yeah, I know it is the WHO…
Modes of transmission of virus causing COVID-19: implications for IPC precaution recommendations

…Modes of transmission of the COVID-19 virus
Respiratory infections can be transmitted through droplets of different sizes: when the droplet particles are >5-10 μm in diameter they are referred to as respiratory droplets, and when then are <5μm in diameter, they are referred to as droplet nuclei.1 According to current evidence, COVID-19 virus is primarily transmitted between people through respiratory droplets and contact routes.2-7 In an analysis of 75,465 COVID-19 cases in China, airborne transmission was not reported.8….

Do you really Trust the Chinese to tell the truth about their Bioweapon?

Airborne transmission is different from droplet transmission as it refers to the presence of microbes within droplet nuclei, which are generally considered to be particles <5μm in diameter, can remain in the air for long periods of time and be transmitted to others over distances greater than 1 m.
In the context of COVID-19, airborne transmission may be possible in specific circumstances and settings in which procedures or support treatments that generate aerosols are performed; i.e., endotracheal intubation, bronchoscopy, open suctioning, administration of nebulized treatment, manual ventilation before intubation, turning the patient to the prone position, disconnecting the patient from the ventilator, non-invasive positive-pressure ventilation, tracheostomy, and cardiopulmonary resuscitation.

AND THEN THE WHO’s GET OUT OF JAIL CARD!

WHO is aware of other studies which have evaluated the presence of COVID-19 RNA in air samples, but which are not yet published in peer-reviewed journals. It is important to note that the detection of RNA in environmental samples based on PCR-based assays is not indicative of viable virus that could be transmissible. Further studies are needed to determine whether it is possible to detect COVID-19 virus in air samples from patient rooms where no procedures or support treatments that generate aerosols are ongoing. As evidence emerges, it is important to know whether viable virus is found and what role it may play in transmission.

….. This is how long COVID-19 can live airborne
*https://www.theladders.com/career-advice/this-is-how-long-covid-19-can-live-airborne

…. We analyzed the aerosol and surface stability of SARS-CoV-2 and compared it with SARS-CoV-1, the most closely related human coronavirus,” the authors write in the new paper.
Covid-19 fomites remain infectious for at least three hours in aerosols and can remain active on plastic and stainless steel surfaces for roughly three days. On cardboard, the virus remains viable for up to 24 hours. On copper, it takes roughly four hours for the virus to become deactivated. Covid-19 can live on smartphone screens, (assuming they’re composed of glass material) for up to 96 hours or just about four days.
It should be noted that the pathogen does not retain its full potency for the entire duration of these projected windows. Sixty-six minutes after activated material leaves its host, half of the virus’s fomites lose function while airborne. Another hour and six minutes later, 75% of viral material becomes inactive.
“The amount of viable virus at the end of the third hour will be down to 12.5%,” explains researcher Neeltje van Doremalen of the NIAID’s Montana facility at Rocky Mountain Laboratories….
Be sure to read the full analysis in The New England Journal of Medicine.
*https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973

para59r

So if I got this right your saying if some one in the super market breaks out in song I should maybe go down a different aisle? 🐱‍🚀

Gail Combs

SPRINT FOR THE EXIT! 🙃

Alison

https://twitter.com/realsaavedra/status/1245137742524104704?s=21
Like this:
https://twitter.com/realsaavedra/status/1245137742524104704
Well, that didn’t work, because Saavedra often deletes and re-posts tweets.
So there you have it! No tweet!

Alison

Not sure why this doesn’t show up – a good response by Dr. Birx at today’s presser.

GA/FL

Take out the ? and everything after it…I think that will do it.

Alison

Thanks GA 🤓

rf121

Watch out. MAGA Mom may come after you for not understanding what was presented at the news conference. I understood things like you did.

Deplorable Patriot

Oh, how to react.
Ha ha ha.

MAGA Mom

I can see by the likes that you all would have rather me not post the press conference clip and the model web site as I did above. Tells me what I need to know about wasting my time further.

rf121

Post all you want. Just give us a break from the I am right and the rest of you just don’t know shit.
Apparently I watched a two hour press conference and did not understand a thing the President said.

bakocarl

I LIKE your posts. And your corrections are stated in a factual manner, unlike many of the responders who appear to consider a simple correction or difference of opinion as some kind of attack and then they go right for the personal and start in with their accusations.

Deplorable Patriot

Missouri is expected to peak in May.
WTF?????
I can’t deal with the couch commando AND Dad for six more weeks without being able to escape to work.
The couch commando is idle until the pools reopen. Please, pray for me.

kea

WHAT! Hell to the no!

Alison

Sylvia 😂😂😂🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

kea

LOL divorce in 3,2,1…..
“Hi I’m harry can I take your order please?”
Do you want fries with that?

Alison

Kea 😂😂😂
Harry: “Grammy, I wanna come home to the castle.”

kea

LOL

Chimpy

Well, he was royalty, so would be more than qualified to work at Burger King…

kea

Oh snap!!!!!! Give him the little paper crown.

kalbokalbs

“Welcome to Walmart” 😉

Alison

LOL Wasn’t he all about the little people? Now he can live like one 🤣

kea

Me laughing!!! Have you seen the empty theaters are nowadays? You show sports. LOL
This is a the headline I really didn’t want to post the link. Its easy to find in a simple search.
“AMC CEO hopes theaters will reopen by mid-June, optimistic moviegoers will return in droves”
Yeah I’m just laughing.

Deplorable Patriot

Something needs to give. Cable TV SUCKS!

kea

Have you tried the small YouTube channels? Lots of good stuff to be found. Mysteries and what not. My fav is this one:
https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCirFhr1Yk2ULP5cniE96S1g

Deplorable Patriot

I miss hockey.

kea

Yup I’m loving it!

SteveInCO

They were ALWAYS irrelevant.
It’s just that now almost everyone knows it.

grandmaintexas

I think the ‘entertainment ‘ sphere will be surprised at how irrelevant they will be when this is all over. It will take years to recover and they will have to become patriotic again.

grandmaintexas

Yep, but I just talked with a gal who lives just outside NYC and believes ABSOLUTELY everything she hears on CNNMSNBC.
Right down the line she parrots everything they are saying. Our one common point of humanity was the HQC and ZPak treatment…and that was after I sent her numerous links to studies.

michaelh

de BLAHsio NEEDS TO GO!!! For the benefit of all America.

SteveInCO

That is something other powers have to reckon with.
We can put an army, with all the supplies a modern army is dependent on (no living off the land in the 21st century) ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.
No other country can do that.
The Brits come close…they were able to kick Argentina out of the Falklands, some eight thousand miles away.
I read a story once…I’ve never been able to confirm it’s true. Anyhow here goes…the USSR was actually planning to Do It in 1983–storm through the Fulda Gap and try to conquer Europe.
Then Argentina seized the Falklands. And Great Britain–not even the most powerful opponent the USSR had, but rather #2–was able to mount an operation eight thousand miles away and kick the Argentines out.
This indicates that the US, a bigger and more capable power, would have had no trouble defending Europe, which is a lot closer than that.
The Russian generals told their intel and political people No Way (and accused them of lying about NATO capabilities, to boot)!
I don’t know if this is true…but if it is, that assclown Galtieri in Argentina saved us from World War III.

ForGodandCountry

Not true. There was no way the USSR could have won an encounter like that. For one thing, they were financially broke trying to keep up with Reagan’s defense spending. The other main deterrent was the A-10 Warthog, which by 1983 had achieved significant numbers and combat readiness in Europe. Make no mistake….the Soviets werent stupid….they realized the lethality of the A-10 against concentrated armor, and history bore that out during the Gulf War in ‘91, where the A-10 went through soviet made armor like a hot knife through warm butter.

SteveInCO

Good info that!
Nonetheless, my MAIN point (rather than my mistaken piece of color) remains…we can put people anywhere, and no one else can.
We have stuff in Diego Garcia, just for instance…and that’s pretty much on the other side of the world. Anything we stage from there comes closer to home, unless we go to war over Kerguelen or Amsterdam and St. Paul Islands (the latter two of which are antipodal to eastern Colorado).

rf121

The British troop numbers were also like 3,000 to the Argentine 10,000. Then the Argentine’s found out that the British brought along some Gurkha’s. Pretty much a rout at that point. But still an amazing undertaking. Good book on that is One Hundred Days by Admiral Sandy Woodward. Falklands Battle Group Commander.
I remember that time frame as my ship had pulled into Singapore for supplies. We moored next to a British destroyer. They were on their way to the Falkland Islands. We hung out with them on the pier with several trash cans full of beer. Sobering time it was.

kalbokalbs

Feds have a fmily of shipping modes / methods. FedEx / UPS, TL, LTL, AC freighter service. On demand pick-up, heavy lifting with “last mile” delivery, real time tracking.
I suspect Feds used FedEx or UPS for NY ventilators. Size of shipment and within states. This is why Feds knew exactly where the multiple shipments of ventilators shipped for NY were located. Cuomo ignorantly whined publicly about not getting his ventilators which FEMA / feds promised. Tracking information showed ventilators were received by who, when and where. NJ warehouse. NY guv, his stooges, emergency services…hadn’t a clue.
Also bet Feds gave NY numskulls shipping / tracking information when ventilators shipped. Too incompetent or stoopid to know why they needed shipping / tracking information.

ladypenquin

@LarrySchweikart
Super video from NY Hospital Doctor David Price. Low key, non-hysterical reassuring.
https://twitter.com/LarrySchweikart/status/1245158918545747971

mollypitcher5

They don’t seem worried, must not have gotten the memo~~
https://twitter.com/SantaMonicaProb/status/1244843802273054722

Linda
michaelh

Colonel Gaston Bell: General McAuliffe refused a German surrender demand. You know what he said?
General George S. Patton: What?
Colonel Gaston Bell: “Nuts!”
Patton: [laughing] Keep them moving, colonel. A man that eloquent has to be saved.

kea

Love it