For the time being, given our national emergency, we are switching to DAILY COVID-19/China Virus threads instead of weekly threads. Your comments and updates are most welcome. PLEASE continue to post your valuable information, hard source links, and local observations within these Daily Threads. Additionally, we will try to include links to government and official pressers, so those who no longer have cable can remain informed.
We’ll get through this crisis, together. As a group, there is probably no one better prepared than we are.
For our newcomers: The Q Tree community has been diligent in covering the threat of Coronavirus, COVID19, Wuhan FLU. We started accumulating information about this virus in mid-late January, in what became almost weekly threads. We’ve been weeks, if not months, ahead of MSM outlets to vet rumors and other medical papers, etc.
Primary Update Links:
- Links to the USA CoronaVirus Task Force: http://coronavirus.gov/
- Johns Hopkins CSSE Dashboard to update number of “official” cases within China and worldwide: https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
- Another summary of data, updates and sources: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
- Hard Link to the World Health Organization: https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019
- Hard Link to the Center for Disease Control: CDC Updates: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/index.html
In our past weekly threads, we assembled information on the following:
- Primary update links. The dashboard from Johns Hopkins which counts “official” cases all over the world, the CDC, and WHO, and includes the links for our past threads.
- Hard Data Medical Information- Explanation about testing, reliance on China for drugs, analysis of NE Journal of Medicine results and other published papers.
- Vaccine and theraputics (new/old drugs to alleviate symptoms) news and updates
- Trump Administration response (the timeline and links to various agencies)
- China Responses, timelines, research, attempt to cover actions, or secrecy in results discovered.
- An aggregate of info/responses from other countries, listed by country.
- Economic impact from around the world. A change in economic activity will indicate a “return to normal”.
- Speculation/debunking on how the virus started
- Media Bias, political response, and debunking section, like the article from AP News, overt bias from Politico, inflammatory headlines, etc.
- Other medical info to boost immune system, herbal remedies, ways to keep your house clean and NOT spread the virus to others. Excellent information to incorporate into daily lifestyle.
- Hard links for OTHER valuable sources/blogs and a brief sentence or two about what they provide
- Other news items
Our weekly updates. timelines, collection of valuable information, can be found here:
- January 25th, Our first thread: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/01/25/20200125-coronavirus/
- January 27th, Our second thread: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/01/27/20200127-coronavirus-update-thread/
- February 1st-9th, Our third thread: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/02/01/20200201-coronavirus-update-thread-3/
- February 10th – 18th, Our Fourth Thread: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/02/10/20200210th-19th-coronavirus-thread/
- February 19-29th: Our Fifth Thread: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/02/18/20200218th-29th-coronavirus-update-thread/
- March 1-10th, Our Sixth Thread: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/03/01/2020-march1st-7th-coronavirus-covid19-xivirus-wuflu-6th-update-thread/
- March 9-16th, Our Seventh Thread: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/03/09/2020-march-9th-16th-coronavirus-covid19-xivirus-wuflu-7th-weekly-update-thread/
Please try to keep your sense of humor during this National Emergency, and remember, patience is a virtue.
Love to all!
BRILLIANT! DID I SAY BRILLIANT? YES, I SAID BRILLIANT!
Flep’s prediction that this will end in April is looking better and better:
https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/03/19/there-was-a-reason-that-our-president-was-giddy-during-the-daily-press-briefing-this-will-be-over-a-lot-sooner-than-anyone-realizes-china-is-going-to-see-their-economy-destroyed/
https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/03/21/victory-is-absolutely-in-sight-they-are-terrified-about-it/
Yep, by the end of the week, we’ll be receiving a steady drip of reports from those getting better because of medication.
As more meds go out, more people get better. Might take them another week to report results, but this thing is almost over with.
Agreed, More people are calling it a hoax after Pelosi’s stunt last night. Others are pissed about the economy. People are ready to mutiny.
Let me translate, I speak fluent Trump. The cure is being administered, when it works, I will END this nightmare once and for all, and then while we are rebuilding our country stronger than ever before, there will be HELL to pay for those that played politics with this, spread hysteria, attacked our economy and our people, and OBSTRUCTED the relief and the cure.
absolutely what he is saying. HUGE progress is being made and Many success stories on so many fronts Cures/treatments rolling out, supplies to hardest hit so no US location has had medical system overwhelmed
.
And so fast…Trump speed, baby!
and yet, we NEVER get ANY positive news from the MSM, they want their weapon, and will NOT let it die easily.
https://twitter.com/WayneDupreeShow/status/1241923524731822080
It’s Barack Obama’s Fault There’s a Shortage of N95 Respirator Masks
https://pjmedia.com/trending/its-barack-obama-fault-theres-a-shortage-of-n95-respirator-masks-heres-why/
That is the most shocking and unexpected thing I have ever heard! I never would have thought the Magic Negro would do (not do) something like that.
Are you sure?
But, but those N95 masks don’t work we’ve been told.
This is an interesting issue for me. Bottom line: it is the necessary “official position”.
Guessing I am an outlier of sorts on the entire, official position, N95 masks don’t work for regular folk.
As there IS a HUGE issue getting N95 to medical world, IMO, they have to be first in line to receive N95 masks. Makes sense.
– Medical folks are exposed daily, all day to ChiCom-19.
– Regular folks, you, others, and I, have the luxury of living in self imposed quarantine or quasi quarantine.
– That’s why folks are encouraged to donate N95 masks to local hospitals. Which I have done. Help flatten the curve.
Fundamentally we gotta keep medical world ChiCom-19 free…so shunt ALL N95 to medical folks.
Logical to me.
IF there were sufficient N95 masks, I 100% believe the official position would be wear N95 masks when out in public. There would be a huge push on proper wearing N95 masks.
And yeas I understand the importance of a proper mask seal, donning the mask correctly, taking it off correctly, read about droplet size, distance airborne…
^^^ That’s my opinion. Fully expect folks better informed and smarter than I, too pooh all over this post. Always willing to learn.
My neighbor, a nurse, said they had just thrown out thousands of N95 masks that were laying around after the last flu epidemic. I think she mentioned SARS.
Anyway, if the hospital had thousands of them for another communicable illness, then I do believe they work, and we all should be well versed in how they work.
One good thing about this mess is that we won’t be caught unprepared next time. President Trump will get us into shipshape.
It might have been H1N1….
100% the masks work. Perhaps N95 is not 100% effective for this scenario. All dependent on droplet size, as I understand it.
Yes. It will probably be some time before we get an accurate low down on the exact nature of this virus. So much misinformation.
It gets worse. Recently posted OT, and on Q Tree daily:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/03/23/president-trump-tweets-15-day-deadline-to-restart-u-s-economy/comment-page-2/#comment-7967002
This is Obama’s health insurance policy for the nation. Obamacare for All.
Good catch Mary.
Of course I don’t claim to even be able to begin to plumb the depths of the corruption that existed within the Obama administration.
They wanted maximum control of the system in large part so they could rig it for winners and losers, and use it for a bigger power grab LATER.
FRANK DODD, anybody? Seems like we might be due to reap that stinkin’ whirlwind! If they can get the panic selling and liquidity issues to crash the market, why the heck not? They’d do it in a heartbeat.
Meanwhile the open availability of exotic virus samples on the market for sale to viral research labs has been discussed before – remember we had this conversation about Zika being available on the market, and then suddenly as if by surprise it shows up in non-native mosquitoes in North America from some old tires in Florida???
Not saying that the mosquitoes couldn’t have hitched a ride across the Atlantic to get here, but I’m not saying they couldn’t have been lab released (accidentally? mistakenly? intentionally?) with Zika either.
Obamacare meanwhile was designed to wreak the maximum available havoc on the U.S. medical sector. For years all hospital construction totally STALLED. Think about that when we talk about a shortage of beds during an epidemic! And that doesn’t even begin to scratch the surface of the evil buried in that monstrosity.
We’re all fretting now about having to make UTILITARIAN assessments now about who gets treated and who does not. Thank the prior administration for creating a crisis that they wouldn’t let go to waste.
Recovering Mary’s comments from OT for preservation and for further discussion:
*https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/03/23/president-trump-tweets-15-day-deadline-to-restart-u-s-economy/comment-page-2/#comment-7967002
Mary Morse says:
March 23, 2020 at 7:31 am
This notion of selling lab animals for consumption (bat soup) is off, IMO. It’s possible, but I can’t imagine that there is much cash in selling a bat for making soup.
More likely, consider that animals used by these labs are transgenic; genetically modified to provide the necessary genetic structure to allow controlled research. They are highly specialized organisms that have significant value; more for the black market, than for soup, especially if they are injected with a highly controlled virus.
links for you:
*https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/protocol-questions-in-pathogens-transfer-513421202.html
*https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/questions-surround-canadian-shipment-of-deadly-viruses-to-china-66254
“Canada’s National Microbiology Laboratory shipped Ebola and Henipah viruses to Beijing on March 31, raising suspicions from experts in biochemical warfare, who say they think China may use the pathogens to develop offensive biological agents.
The Public Health Agency of Canada (PHAC) and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) report that the incident has not introduced any known risk to public health, according to the Winnipeg Free Press.
The same lab is the focus of an ongoing investigation by the RCMP. The inquiry began following the recent dismissal of the head of the National Microbiology Laboratory’s (NML) Vaccine Development and Antiviral Therapies section in the Special Pathogens Program, virologist Xiangguo Qiu. Qiu, her colleague and husband Keding Cheng, and a number of her international students lost security clearance to their lab on July 5. “…
Trying again. apologies if this duplicates.
*https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/questions-surround-canadian-shipment-of-deadly-viruses-to-china-66254
…”Canada’s National Microbiology Laboratory shipped Ebola and Henipah viruses to Beijing on March 31, raising suspicions from experts in biochemical warfare, who say they think China may use the pathogens to develop offensive biological agents.
The Public Health Agency of Canada (PHAC) and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) report that the incident has not introduced any known risk to public health, according to the Winnipeg Free Press.
The same lab is the focus of an ongoing investigation by the RCMP. The inquiry began following the recent dismissal of the head of the National Microbiology Laboratory’s (NML) Vaccine Development and Antiviral Therapies section in the Special Pathogens Program, virologist Xiangguo Qiu. Qiu, her colleague and husband Keding Cheng, and a number of her international students lost security clearance to their lab on July 5″…
*https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/protocol-questions-in-pathogens-transfer-513421202.html
The head of Canada’s NML died suddenly in Kenya, in early February.
*https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/scientist-frank-plummer-death-1.5451624
Dr. Plummer published this paper in 2017 : The story of Canada’s Ebola vaccine
*https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5662448/
Which brings us to our next life sciences, gain of function researcher, Dr. Yoshiro Kawaoka:
…”In 1997, Yoshihiro Kawaoka created a new tool for the study of Ebola virus. He developed a replication-incompetent VSV5 vector that had a green fluorescent protein gene in place of the VSV glycoprotein; Ebola virus glycoprotein was supplied to the virus as it formed in cell culture from a separate expression system. Kawaoka’s group successfully used this pseudotyped replication-deficient virus as a research tool to study the structure and function of the Ebola virus glycoprotein (EBOV).”…
*https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5662448/
More on Dr. Kawaoka of UW Madison:
*https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/exclusive-controversial-us-scientist-creates-deadly-new-flu-strain-for-pandemic-research-9577088.html
From the linked Independent article:
…”Professor Kawaoka said that he has presented preliminary findings of his H1N1 study to the WHO, which were “well received”.
“We are confident our study will contribute to the field, particularly given the number of mutant viruses we generated and the sophisticated analysis applied,” he said.”…
…”Professor Kawaoka’s most recent published research was on reconstructing the 1918 flu virus, the genetic structure which was known from samples retrieved from the frozen corpses of its victims buried in the Arctic, from wild strains of bird flu isolated from ducks. He managed to do this, but the study was widely criticised as “stupid” and “irresponsible”.
Why does he want to do this work?
The aim is to understand what is known as “gain of function”. What does it take, genetically, for a virus to become more infectious or more lethal? If we could understand this process then we would be in a better position to develop drugs, vaccines and other measures to protect ourselves from a sudden emergence of a new and deadly flu strain, or so Professor Kawaoka has argued.”…
In October 2014, the Obama admin halted funding of new gain of function studies:
*https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2014/10/17/doing-diligence-assess-risks-and-benefits-life-sciences-gain-function-research
…”Because the deliberative process launching today will aim to address key questions about the risks and benefits of gain-of-function studies, during the period of deliberation, the U.S. Government will institute a pause on funding for any new studies that include certain gain-of-function experiments involving influenza, SARS, and MERS viruses. Specifically, the funding pause will apply to gain-of-function research projects that may be reasonably anticipated to confer attributes to influenza, MERS, or SARS viruses such that the virus would have enhanced pathogenicity and/or transmissibility in mammals via the respiratory route.”…
On January 9, 2017, the Obama Administration lifted the ban:
*https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2017/01/09/recommended-policy-guidance-potential-pandemic-pathogen-care-and-oversight
…”Today, the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy (OSTP) is releasing “Recommended Policy Guidance for Departmental Development of Review Mechanisms for Potential Pandemic Pathogen Care and Oversight (P3CO).” Adoption of these recommendations will satisfy the requirements for lifting the current moratorium on certain life sciences research that could enhance a pathogen’s virulence and/or transmissibility to produce a potential pandemic pathogen (an enhanced PPP).”…
Dr. Kawaoka has a startup that claims to have a universal vaccine for novel influenza viruses, in human trials:
*http://flugen.com/
Here is FluGen’s Board of Directors:
*flugen.com/board-of-directors/
One listed board member is Erik Iverson. From his FluGen bio:
…”Iverson was a Founder and a Board Member of Afrigen Biologics Limited, an IDRI spinout biotechnology company located in Cape Town, South Africa, that is the first ever vaccine and biologics focused biotechnology company on the continent of Africa.
Prior to IDRI, Iverson was hired as the first attorney dedicated to the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation’s global health and agricultural programs. He played a lead role in building the Global Health Program for seven years as Associate General Counsel. At the Foundation, Iverson worked closely with staff and grantees in the development of intellectual property management and collaboration agreements, novel financing arrangements (including a leadership role in the establishment of the Foundation’s private equity “Program Related Investments”), product development and global product access.
Previously, Iverson was an attorney at the law firm of Perkins Coie LLP where he represented life science companies in the negotiation of financing transactions, joint ventures, research collaborations, licensing agreements and manufacturing agreements.”…
More on Erik Iverson:
*https://madison.com/wsj/business/warf-board-chooses-former-gates-foundation-attorney-erik-iverson-as/article_f9e8922b-e2b2-5023-8ae8-1cb4668ae984.html
More on Erik Iverson:
*https://madison.com/wsj/business/warf-board-chooses-former-gates-foundation-attorney-erik-iverson-as/article_f9e8922b-e2b2-5023-8ae8-1cb4668ae984.html
When the TRUTH comes out about what the Chinese CCP did WRT the Coronavirus . . .
And it’s relationship to 4GW / Hybrid Warfare / Irregular Warfare . . .
The entire Obama Administration and their traitorous schemes to destroy the United States . . .
And all the Democrats . . .
And quite a few Republicans . . .
Not to mention virtually all of the United States higher education and academic research apparatus . . .
Who are all mixed up in financing and bribes from China . . .
Are going to be in deep, deep, deep trouble.
It’s way bigger than any of us know.
Please don’t forget Epstein. Find the photo of him with gates, etal.
When do you play the Trump card?
Schumer blocked it. Vote will be after lunch approx. Markets will open in a sell mode.
and the Fed jump in and unleashes unlimited quantitative easing.
Such jerks.
Repubs want to make it LOANS to business (which keeps control over corp PRIVATE)
Dems want to take an equity stake (which begin to nationalize businesses)
No doubt THAT was HRC’s plan!
When this is going to be like a normal cold, but you can check your symptoms online or against a printed card, then come to a healthcare facility and take the test in a tent in the parking lot…..
Then get your results in less than an hour and be told (a) sorry, you have a cold, go home and suffer; (b) sorry, you have the flu, go home and suffer; or (c) you have this fabled media-hyped death-virus. A doctor will be by shortly to see if you have contraindications (these are rare — <5%). If not, you'll get your first dose of drugs before you leave. You'll be given a six-day supply of drugs and a card listing the reasons you might be back early, and told to confine yourself until the drugs are gone. Once the drugs are gone, do the drive-by test twice, a day or more apart, and you get a "done card" and can go about your business. If you have a positive response on the drive-by test, you will be advised.
This thing is going to be stuffed, pwnd, and become the subject of ridicule. And VSGPOTUSDJT is going to snag all the money for The Wall and deportation of illegals.
I love it when you talk dirty like that!
I think this is where we are headed! 🙂
Now, if we can all just sit tight a little long, slow the spread, keep the case load as light as possible while it is all worked out …. we will have this thing over and done with! And no big vaccination program either.
The DRUG is even better than a vaccine. Everybody can take it, almost no risks, very likely good prophylaxis, and the CHINESE PLOT is destroyed.
Amen! They’re not getting one of their sketchy Bill Gates vaccinations in me. I’ll gladly take an 80 year old drug, if need be.
It’s clear to me now that part of the reason the Made In China Fake News Featuring Bill Gates is so angry about the DRUG is that it doesn’t serve their VACCINE PSY-OP interests!!!
Big Pharma and Big $$$ want a vaccine and anti-virals that cost big $$$ and make them big profit$$$!!!
They also wanted a Big Pandemic to end President Trump’s anti-elite, anti-corruption, anti-abortion, anti-global warming, anti-globalist tenure in office!!!
FL/GA, you Do have a way with words. Love it.
The usual narrative FAILED!
The shouting down FAILED!
The calls for more money just thrown at the issue FAILED!
And it’s a triumph.
Having taken drugs for malaria while in the Navy, I am good taking them as a preventive for ChiCom-19. Fully realize the dosage may be higher and frequency.
Not interested in the vaccine.
I would avoid a vaccine at all costs, especially since they are saying that the flu vaccine is proving to worsen other respiratory illnesses.
LOUDER, please
I have never had a flu shot in my life and never plan on getting one either!!!
Me either.
It is difficult to change minds. Even evidence via studies doesn’t help at times.
I will use my mom as an example.
“Mom, the flu vaccine is very limited in efficacy from year to year, depending on which strains are in it.”
“My doctor told me to get one and I have every year.”
“But Mom, you’ve gotten the flu every year, too.”
“Yes, but it’s not as bad.”
“But mom, you’ve gotten bronchitis and pneumonia twice now. Studies are showing that the vaccine may be involved.”
“I don’t care. And I’ve gotten the pneumonia vaccine, too.”
“But mom, you’ve gotten pneumonia anyway!”
“Just stop talking to me! I’m gonna follow my doctor’s advice. ”
“Sigh.”
More blueberry muffins!
Very funny. 😁
I’m doing my little bit by sharing eggs with those in need. We seem to be having quite the shortages in town. My hens are working overtime.
I haven’t gone out in a few days, but friends are still reporting shortages of things like eggs, milk, meat, bread.
I wonder if this is a rural issue, or everyone.
Eggs have been in short supply due to high demand. Fortunately I bought 3 dozen before Peak Stupid, having to be careful with them. This is on the edge of a major metro. Would be nice if we half a dozen hens about now 😉
The girls are very handy right now. I’ve got 17 more in the chick stage. I didn’t replenish the flock last year and about half the girls aren’t laying much. They poop out after a couple years. Of course the older ladies enjoy retirement and help with the bugs. 😁
By son and husband eat 5-6 eggs each every morning for breakfast (almost always served with cooked veggies and on a bed fresh chopped greens + a side of ferments – they eat a big breakfast!). Dog gets 2 eggs every morning (raw). Yep, 12+ eggs Every morning. that will come to a screeching halt tomorrow morning. Today is the last day of fresh eggs for son/husband. Dog has been down to 1 egg every morning for almost 2 weeks and has eggs through Saturday.
Store is low because of demand & because they have said they are not receiving their usual deliveries of eggs (both 2 Krogers and Costco reported this + meat deliveries are not as much as usual or as frequent but I have posted this last 2 days so won’t get into that again).
tomorrow we start eating frozen or dehydrated eggs which are both more time consuming too cook. We will also slow our consumption of eggs. Thought about cutting eggs per morning in half and adding some meat every morning but that is like cooking two mini meals eery morning. Decided will have have breakfast every other morning and will keep doing that even when we do score some fresh eggs until the eggs supply is again steady.
the dog will get a fresh egg every morning…hopefully. He has always had then since he came to us 3 yrs ago and its a key part of how we tamed him from a wild dog. he would not understand.
Wish we had decided to get chickens. Kept putting it off…ugh!
Now is the time, if you want chicks! They should be in at your local feed store. I have some, it is awesome.
So far this crisis has caused my daughter and dil to make the plunge to homeschool, my neighbor has decided to pick up gardening again and has bought some fruit trees, and is getting chickens.
I do believe this has been a great motivator for us all to get more self sufficient.
Even us rural people have gotten too lazy and dependent on well stocked grocery shelves instead of well stocked pantries.
Get Dominics or Barred Rocks stay away from the Rhode Island Reds they are NASTY!
https://www.backyardchickens.com/reviews/dominique.10898/
For a fun chicken get a Silkie. They are bantams so small eggs and not a good layers. Beautiful friendly birds and even the roosters will try to hatch anything (including a golf ball.) People who raise exotics often will take the eggs and slip them under a Silkie.
https://www.thehappychickencoop.com/silkie-chicken/
“…The fact that the feathers do not hold together means a Silkie cannot fly. It also means that the feathering is not waterproofed and so a wet Silkie is a pathetic sight to see. If they do get significantly wet, they need to be towel dried or even blow dried – which they enjoy if it is done on a regular basis…”
Gail, I am a huge fan of Buff Orpingtons.
cannot recommend enough.
good layers, and Really Good eatins!
I just got 10 barred rocks, four wyandotte, and four buff orpingtons. I am so glad you mentioned them.
Also don’t like Rhode Island Reds!
Silk is sound so sweet.
Gail has some good tips on what chickens to get and what you need for them. I’d seriously get some if I thought we could manage them right now.
grandmaintexas
I have been making sourdough bread and am floating in sourdough and in bread. I finally had to store my sourdough in the refrigerator it was growing out of my container.
If I lived in your little town would share bread and keep baking.
I wish you did! I am not a Baker but I love sourdough bread!
“My hens are working overtime.”
Lucky roosters!
Just the one. We named him The Donald because he’s got golden feathers on his head. 😁
This — https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/firefox-reenables-insecure-tls-to-improve-access-to-covid19-info/ — is just a seriously bad idea.
But, is it a move in the silent war?
How about all the websites just run TLS 1.2 ECDHE PFS AES256 SHA256?
It’s not rocket surgery
But maybe it’s brain science?
But they all had WuFlu at the time of death and would not have died when and how they did if it were not for WuFlu. And WuFlu sent them all to the hospital and overwhelmed the medical system.
It is incorrect to say that it was all “hysteria”. The number of hospital patients surged and overwhelmed their medical system *because* of WuFlu.
From the article:
“The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus….
On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88 per cent of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity – many had two or three,” he says”
So if a patient has high blood pressure and diabetes, they catch WuFlu, have complications and die … did they die because of the high blood pressure and diabetes or because they caught WuFlu and couldn’t fight it off? Most people with high blood pressure &/or diabetes live with it for years and control it through daily meds &/or diet/exercise. None of these people would be dead if not for WuFlu.
Not sure I agree with the reducing of WuFlu deaths to only those who died of WuFlu who have Zero pre-existing conditions.
No other disease is being treated that way, to my knowledge.
People are complaining that we do NOT seem concerned over the number of flu deaths versus the ChiComVirus; but in doing so, they count flu deaths in exactly the way they do NOT want to count CCV deaths.
You can’t have it both ways, this borders on hypocrisy.
Steve in CO: You are logical, data oriented and good at analytics…help please!
Do you already know how flu deaths are counted? i just learned about this and really interesting, new to me.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm
“Data gathered are used to estimate age-specific hospitalization rates on a weekly basis and describe characteristics of persons hospitalized with influenza illness. The rates provided are likely to be an underestimate as influenza-related hospitalizations can be missed if testing is not performed.”
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/overview.htm#Hospitalization
From same link:
“The NCHS surveillance data are used to calculate the percent of all deaths occurring in a given week that had pneumonia and/or influenza listed as a cause of death. The P&I percentage for earlier weeks are continually revised and may increase or decrease as new and updated death certificate data are received from the states by NCHS. The P&I percentage is compared to a seasonal baseline of P&I deaths that is calculated using a periodic regression model incorporating a robust regression procedure applied to data from the previous five years. An increase of 1.645 standard deviations above the seasonal baseline of P&I deaths is considered the “epidemic threshold,” i.e., the point at which the observed proportion of deaths attributed to pneumonia or influenza was significantly higher than would be expected at that time of the year in the absence of substantial influenza-related mortality.”
As I have read through the cdc info on flu data it seems to me it is informed estimates at best + includes flu deaths regardless of underlying health issues. the person may have had diabetes, high blood pressure, etc. but still died of the flu.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/how-cdc-estimates.htm
The data includes a large number of presumed flu cases and presumed flu deaths – educated estimates and projections based on the factual data sets that they have. Is this right?
Problem I see is that we do not have the informed knowledge to project the % of non symptomatic cases and/or the number of cases that are symptomatic but who don’t go to the doctor or whose doctor doesn’t actually test for the flu.
[I did not follow your links, I’m assuming your interpretation is correct.]
So now we have a situation where people are complaining we haven’t tested enough people for the ChiComCrud to really know anything, but don’t worry; it’s not nearly as bad as the flu but that’s based on ESTIMATES anyway because we don’t test much for that either.
To say nothing about the fact that it’s absurd to compare a disease that is already in full spread (the flu) to one that hasn’t finished spreading (the CCC). Of course they sidestep that by claiming the CCC has already been here for months, but the fatality numbers belie that for reasons I explained yesterday.
We have one “professional” on this site who is making less and less sense to me with every passing day (and he only made partial sense to me at the get-go).
FORTUNATELY, there’s a decent chance that this antimalarial will put the full pandemic mode into an alternate history. Which means we won’t be settling this argument any time soon, but that’s VASTLY better than having it settled in our favor!!
PLEASE! don’t assume I am correct! 😉
I was hoping for your explainer to help me understand
Hoping that new meds will be game changer too
If you are interested and if you have time would love to hear your thoughts on how this is calculated so we can all understand for the future
I did go look, later. It’s pretty impenetrable.
https://twitter.com/Cory__1077/status/1241985747541839872?s=20
Old expression: “Dead fish and relatives both smell badly after three days . . .”
That smell is nothing compared to the stench of the absent Pelousy suddenly re-appearing from the Netherworld to blow up a bipartisan bill and blowing up the futures market on Sunday night.
Pelosi is evil only a evil person would do what she is doing.
POTUS and his team will outsmart her because she is dumb.
IMPORTANT NEWS for those exposed to coronavirus – for family members of patients, for doctors, nurses who are greatly needed in clinics and hospitals – Hydroxychloroquine treatment may work as PREVENTION – prophylaxis – to keep them from getting infected with the Chinese Coronavirus!
Since it is already being used to prevent malaria, it may well work!
And may be a key to getting our great country back to work!!!
Call for trial to study this – https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32196083
Current Trial being organized – https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04308668
Such a HUGE game changer on this whole epidemic!
If this stuff messes with the virus to the point where the virus cannot reproduce, then it stands to reason that asymptomatic people (who have the virus) will have it be wiped out instead of either a) continuing to be asymptomatic but contagoius) or b) having it get worse and becoming symptomatic.
As for people who don’t have the virus at all, it seems pretty intuitive to me that having the stuff already present in your system would prevent the virus from taking hold.
Of course, it’s undoubtedly a lot more complicated than that, but does the complicatedness add up to “no it just won’t work to prevent the disease?”
It’s absolutely worth checking out, especially since we know the drug is safe. (I don’t think we need the Z antibiotic for this; as I understand it, that’s to take care of opportunistic bacteria once the infection starts.)
Thanks Steve – you say it all so well.
If as I suspect, and there is some evidence that it is so, illegals are bringing this and other 1st and 3rd world diseases into the USA, an anti-malaria drug might be a good idea in an outbreak AND IN (insert expletives) SANCTUARY CITIES/STATES!!!!
Zithromax is not just an antibiotic, it is a macrolide antibiotic which also possesses antiviral activity. I chose this particular study, because Gates holds a patent on a coxcackie virus, as well.
ABSTRACT
Hand-foot-mouth disease (HFMD) is a common viral disease in young children, mainly caused by enterovirus A71 (EV-A71) and coxsackievirus A16 (CV-A16). Specific antiviral agents are not commercially available yet. Here we report that the macrolide antibiotics spiramycin (SPM) and azithromycin (AZM) possess antiviral activities against EV-A71 and CV-A16. SPM significantly reduced EV-A71 RNA and protein levels, most likely through interfering with viral RNA replication. The SPM-resistant EV-A71 variants showed similar resistance to AZM, indicating a similar anti-EV-A71 mechanism by which these two drugs exert their functions.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0924857918303790
Coxsackie. Sorry for the typo.
Ahh, cool!! Thanks!!
I do hope it’s a lot less likely to trigger allergies than some antibiotics I know of.
Our Regional Medical Center has put in place stringent rules for visitors.
– No more than one visitor adult allowed inside the hospital at one time and strict visiting hours – no big groups and no kids running around and no hanging out in the lobby all day and all night.
– Each visitor will be carefully screened – taking temperature, etc. and questioned before being allowed to enter.
Here is 1 you can use Daughn when the Chinese are finally nailed as world killers.
Stealing!!!!!!
Thank you ALL for keeping me well stocked with great memes!
Looks like a 2020 Chicom remake version of “pinhead’
Or perhaps Shrek Pox!
My God! This is so sad!
My mom died of fluid buildup in the lungs. She was heavily sedated. She still suffered.
This is horrendous.
Interview with Fauci. I know he thinks he is saying the right things but he should shut up. This guy needs to go.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/i-m-going-keep-pushing-anthony-fauci-tries-make-white-house-listen-facts-pandemic
Yeah it’s ok. His time in the sun is almost over.
He’s a typical bureau-HAT and a Hillary sycophant.
Hopefully he’ll have some class when this is done.
I hope the SOB is ‘retired’ to JAIL!
Read his part in this mess:
*https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-02-20-full-transcript-smoking-gun-interview-prof-frances-boyle-coronavirus-bioweapons.html
The Couch Commando insists on watching local news in the morning for the weather. They’re busy stoking the flames of fear. Details being left out. No national news from yesterday’s presser.
“Most people in Missouri don’t know how they got it.”
ARGH!
UK update.
Boris, a relevant cabinet member and/or a member of the Chief Medical Officer’s team (or he himself) give televised updates daily, normally at 5 p.m.
I’m not sure how many of my fellow Britons know about these. A friend of mine alerted me last week, only because he reads the BBC website every day.
They are compelling viewing, because each day’s news gets worse.
Tues., Mar. 17 (IIRC): Boris tells people to stay out of restaurants and cafes, pubs, theatres and cinemas. (Sporting events were already closed to the public or cancelled — Friday, Mar. 13, I think.)
Wed., Mar. 18: Financial relief to be given to businesses, along with the opportunity of government loans. Angela Hartnett, one of Britain’s Michelin-starred chefs, closes her restaurant. She lost 78% of bookings, so put her staff on standby (no pay) until further notice. She explained this on BBC’s Question Time on Thursday, Mar. 19. Schools are closed as of Friday afternoon. No exams this year. (Final grades to be calculated on school work thus far. Ireland decided to do that a week or so ago. Children of key workers, however, and those assigned to social workers will still be required to attend classes, but these might be in different schools.)
Thurs., Mar. 19: Self-employed people — e.g. barbers, aestheticians — nervous and despondent over having to apply for a government loan. They don’t want to do that. They are not entitled to a minimum income if they are married to someone who is employed by someone else and gets a monthly salary with all the relevant deductions. They are not sure how long they can stay open but they still want to work. They do not have enough of a financial cushion to close for two or three months. (Gathered from personal conversations my far better half and I have had separately.)
Friday, Mar. 20: Chancellor Rishi Sunak announces relief for renters and money for low-paid workers. Rightly says that it is ‘compassionate’. He is not wrong. (This will make Boris and the Conservatives look like the party of the people.) Boris asks people to shop ‘considerately’. (The shelves were nearly empty in both my local supermarkets. Not just TP — nearly everything. There also seemed to be people driving around looking for supermarkets. I overheard: ‘What’s the name of this shop again?’) Boris also gives a short statement about Mothering Sunday on the 22nd, which visibly pains him to have to do: avoid visiting elderly mums. Evasive on whether he will visit his own mum. ALL pubs and restaurants must shut immediately (i.e. ASAP that evening). Restaurants and cafes can provide takeaway service.
Saturday, Mar. 21: George Eustice, Environment Secretary, speaks instead of Boris. Urges people to stop panic buying. Has someone from the Retailers Association with him who says that, over the course of the past three weeks, Britons have £1bn worth of food in their homes! Advises people to stop stockpiling; there’s plenty for everyone. Supply chains working relatively well, minor hiccups. Stores on staggered hours; need to close to restock shelves.
Sunday, Mar. 22: Housing Secretary Robert Jenrick announces on a Sky News Sunday show that people should not visit their mothers on Mothering Sunday: a phone call or Skype is recommended. (On Monday, the Good Morning show features a segment where the hosts read out messages from viewers to their mums. SAD.) Boris takes to the podium at 5 p.m. saying he hopes everyone avoided their mothers today (not in so many words, but that’s the general gist). He also was unhappy that people used a sunny weekend to get out and about together, whether in parks or at the beach. Parks now closing. (It wasn’t that warm a weekend, but this is the usual time of year — mid-March — when people start circulating again after winter.) Says that stronger measures will be taken if people don’t observe self-isolation guidelines. (This means curfew.) Says that 1.5 million Britons will be told to self-isolate for 12 weeks; letters will begin arriving on Tuesday from the NHS. This applies to anyone who has had an organ transplant or certain types of cancer (leukaemia or bone marrow).
Monday, Mar. 23: Parliament reconvenes this afternoon. MPs will debate — and, I think, vote on — EMERGENCY MEASURES FOR CORONAVIRUS that might have FAR-REACHING EFFECTS on civil liberties. Only two MPs — a Conservative and a Labour one — oppose it. I hope they made a lot of phone calls at the weekend. We already have Tony Blair’s Civil Contingencies Act, which was bad enough. But, no, even the Conservatives want a new law. SAD.
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Social distance is now 2 metres instead of one metre.
Local hospital has had the LOWEST bed occupancy in 80 YEARS. Amazing. Only 2 CORONAVIRUS patients. The REST OF THE BEDS ARE EMPTY (123 out of 125). (Excellent news, but one wonders how many other hospitals outside of London are showing similar figures.) I heard this from someone who knows a nurse there. I very much doubt that will make BBC news. Probably a good thing.
A Sunday Times article said that Boris’s genius adviser, Dominic Cummings, has changed his libertarian mind about coronavirus. For weeks, he advocated herd immunity. Then it seems that the Imperial College London people inveigled their way in and now Cummings supports a total shutdown. No. 10 said this article is false. I don’t know, but Boris’s advice has become more draconian by the day. He listens to what ‘Dom’ says.
Times article (paywall) screenshot:
Full Times article (in two or three entries, delete *):
*
No. 10’s response:
No mention at all of chloroquine or related drugs — either from government or on news sites.
I would like to end with a note on the messaging that accompanies these announcements. I know that everyone here is enthusiastic about PDJT’s ‘Together we will get through this; together we will win’, but, frankly, we get the same here in the UK. Ditto France. Nothing unique. No doubt, there are ‘messages’ that each government is given. By whom, I don’t know, but they are all consistent.
Okay, gotta go. Will check in later.
A good day to all, especially as it is a Monday!
Thanks, Churchmouse! Rest up – Stay well – We love you!
Thank you kindly, friend!
I love you guys and gals, too! 🙂
Be safe. Tough to be in Great Britain these days. Confused country. Not that we are any better
I could say a thing or two about New York … 😉
Thank you for the kind words, though — much appreciated.
We went up to London twice in the past month before the latest restrictions. Took the train and the Tube. Had two excellent, leisurely lunches in a civilised atmosphere.
Outside the major cities and a few former industrial centres, things here are delightful — and remarkably normal.
Church, you would be completely right too. This state is so messed up but the people that surround me have been very kind. I have been surprised at who has taken interest in my well-being. I have been struggling with some sort of bug – not sure what it is. Doc does not want to see me. Honestly, I think I am winning the fight. However I now know people that have covid-19. I don’t even know what to say to them.
I hope it is a more benign sort of bug and wish you a very speedy recovery. Am not surprised Doc doesn’t want to see you — just in case. Commiserations.
Amazing that you now know Covid-19 sufferers. That must make it terribly real, rather than a dry statistic. Are they better now? What sort of symptoms did they have?
Get well soon. All best wishes.
Shortness of breath, fatigue, fever. All mild. They will recover fully.
Thanks for that.
Glad they will recover fully.
Message to Wolf, if you’re reading: one of the local TV personalities who is in isolation was on the news, and he said he and his wife are still waiting on the tests because of prioritization, BUT that the wife has a different virus that tends to appear when the SARS outbreaks happen.
I’m wondering if there aren’t 2-3 released at a time meant to work together. Seriously. I think you’re right. I’m now wondering, if that one I had in February that started with a post nasal drip and I more or less stopped/slowed down with zinc wasn’t one of these. It ended with some nasty GI issues that took 48 hours to deal with, but it was a bug none the less.
This is sounding more and more deliberate on someone’s part all the time.
Very interesting thought….and why not release companion bacteria with the viruses to finish off those who are already sick, elders and smokers with bacterial pneumonia?
An old friend was sent home from the hospital last night to await test results. They’ve ruled out everything else. This woman is my age (toward the front end of Gen X), the responsible twin who are the oldest of five with a mother in the final stages of Alzheimers (their dad died last year of the big C). Please, keep A in your prayers.
ALL state parks in FLORIDA are now closed 🙁 (the only source of really fresh air ?)
article link…
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/03/23/all-florida-state-parks-to-close-monday-due-to-covid-19-pandemic/
March 23, 2020
…and most supermarkets are now offering early opening hours only for ppl over 60-65 to shop before the rest of the population….but here in south Florida, MOST of the population is over 60…so…that doesn’t exactly alleviate the crowd dynamic…but…who am I to spit into the wind..
In a strange way, this is awfully sad. Certainly seems like the Dems are using him as a prop. Who will the nominee actually be? Biden won’t make it to November.
https://twitter.com/os4185/status/1242083812231839750?s=20
OK. It appears that JILL BIDEN was sent over to Ole Joe to get him off the stage after he finished his speech. Otherwise he was going to just stand there at the podium.
My opinion: I guaran-damn-tee you that TOM PEREZ / the DNC / HILLARY CLINTON — are in discussion on how to EITHER convince Ole Joe to “gracefully” get out of the 2020 race now; OR, if Ole Joe is “recalcitrant” and refuses, on how to manipulate the DemCom convention to remove him and hand the nomination to HRC.
AND betcha that ANDREW CUOMO is being “readied” to be the VP pick — ** maybe ** the presidential pick if HRC decides she doesn’t want it herself (in which case, Cuomo would become a puppet).
To keep Crazy Bernie Bros from causing a ruckus at D-Rat convention, Joe gets the nomination at the convention. Picks female VP nominee. Liawatha.
Within weeks after convention. Too Slow Joe bails for medical reasons. MCM effusively praises Too Slow Joe for his integrity, to “do the thing” for America. (sarc)
hildabeast gets the nod to lead D-Rats into oblivian 🙂
Would explain why Cuomo is acting all presidential now.
Here we go.
Our State Dept is not taking anything from China.
POTUS retweets. Signaling he is leaning towards sending people back to work.
https://twitter.com/steph93065/status/1241937567412621313?s=20
DH took a part time job at Fed Ex Ground Transport back in July.
Totally different biz for him and keeps him active.
He offered this insight this morning as he’s watching the supply chain.
Take one “load belt” for example (and understand there are dozens of load belts). He watched one of them this morning.
One load belt will load about 10 trucks.
3/10 trucks completely full of nothing but gloves/hand sanitizer stuff.
at least half of one truck load going to a local, and well known, gun range and supply store.
The large mega Shopping Mall in our area, usually gets a full truck load of deliveries daily, but today, down to 1/2 truck load. They are still getting inventory but about half of normal.
Big T’s overall observation = “The supply chain is working”
Your story tells me:
1) supply chain is working
2) supplies going to usual places are not the normal amount as supply chain is being used to funnel much needed, specific supplies to specific places of urgent medical needs and to fill community needs for medical purposes and to slow the spread
3) supply chain is not operating “normally” even while operating at full speed because of changes of what they are supplying and to whom
4) supply chain is not SOP for local stores as they are indeed receiving less…but it is functioning overall
4) confirms my observations that local stores have higher demand, yes, but depleted stock is Also due to not receiving the usual amount of supplies/product which is as significant a factor as to why we have empty shelves.
What we are seeing at the local grocery is twofold: 1) Higher demand do to shift from buying meals at business to home cooking + people buying extra in case they are sick and can’t shop for several weeks AND 2) stores are receiving less than normal.
Shelves would have emptied anyway even without higher demand as they are not receiving their usual shipments/restocking supplies but it would have taken longer with normal buying patterns
Maga Mom – Why do you keep repeating – yesterday and today – that stores are receiving less than normal, when I have seen no reliable source (ie stores) saying that? Our local stores in my neck of the woods are not having trouble receiving normal supplies.You make an overly broad statement for the entire country without ever showing evidence. What is your purpose?
As I said in my posts, that is literally what has happened at our stores. 2 Krogers and 1 costco as reported by several staff in each store via conversations. NEVER said all states. Shared my experiences and tried to figure out what is happening in our area. Memphis is TN (Daughnworks247) and we are TN. Same state.
Locally, walmart, krogers VERY wiped out, including baking aisle as of this am. And they are not getting their usual trucks as per the store staff.
Reading a thread at OT – as would be expected, reports vary significantly around the country
Ground Report. Absolutely parallels Big T’s observation reported above.
Dayton, NV Smith’s supermarket. Geezer shopping, M-W-F 7 AM – 8 AM.
7:20 AM. Probably was 75th in line. Management letting folks in slowly. Spacing. Employee wiped every cart as they provided it to shoppers.
Well stocked. Breadth and depth. Exceptions, Limited paper goods. Bread delivery arrives an hour or two later in the morning. So bread sparse.
.
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On the way out I asked the manager a question. Prefaced with, I am not whining or complaining. What’s main driver that hours (normal 24 hrs, 6AM-11PM, 8AM-10PM, now 8AM-8PM, except geezer shopping) have been cut back three times? We chatted a few minutes. This store is ALWAYS friendly. Not big on shopping, a guy thing I guess. But, great folks, they are.
Answer, While everything to some degree.
– PRIMARY reason is sanitation at night. So many touch points.
– Followed by have NEVER been so busy.
– Folks are NOT eating in restaurants, so more sales.
– Product NOT a big deal. Receiving MOAR deliveries than ever before.
BONUS. Five or six Trump stickers on cars. One with a Trump flag. 🙂 😉 🙂
Wait a minute…..
According to Senator Mike Braun of Indiana —- Senators Mike Lee and Mitt Romney “were sitting at a table and felt the need to self-quarantine”, indicating they had not taken a test or were diagnosed as positive.
They just did it anyway.
The vote in the Senate was 47-47 because 5 Repub Senators are self-isolating.
WTF?
Because of staff being tested positive?
IF they have not tested positive, they need to get their lazy political asses to the Senate floor and vote.
daughnworks247
According to http://www.cnn.com/ , Lee and Romney were told by DR. HARDING, the Attending Physician of the Senate, to go into self-quarantine due to their interactions with Sen. PAUL.
Sen. Lee said he’s not getting tested. Sen. Romney’s office said that he will get tested.
Sen. Cruz is out of his self-quarantine and back at work.
Sen. RICK SCOTT (FL) is in self-quarantine since he was in contact with Pres. Bolsanaro’s aide who tested positive for the virus.
Sen. GRAHAM is self-quarantining “as a precautionary measure” after being at Mar-a-Lago earlier this month.
Sen. CORY GARDNER is self-quarantining after visiting with a constituent who tested positive for the virus.
ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Oh my, Mitt Romney doing a chicken hearted cowardly blocker on the Senate vote? Say it’s not so! /s
POS Mittens actions further confirms the wuss he is known to be.
FLORIDA…Gov DeSantis UPDATES/ press conference ….LIVE vid at link..
https://www.wfla.com/community/health/coronavirus/watch-live-gov-desantis-provides-update-on-floridas-response-to-coronavirus-pandemic/
over 1,100 cases known now…another death…things shutting down one by one..
From BC: Hopefully, as the HCQ / Z combo gets wide distribution and use, it will take a big chunk out of this type of news. But, as for us, we’re gonna be well isolated at home, with no need for outside contact for food or supplies, until we see that the HCQ / Z is well applied, working, and available just about everywhere.
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From the dept head of a major hospital in a major American city that is NOT in NY, CA or WA.
“The numbers – including deaths – are underreported because we are not allowed to report it as Covid until the test comes back positive.”
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETwyNKfWkAEwTux?format=png&name=small
This is the new #DontTestDontTell.
“If you guys have not been taking this seriously. The time is now. We have not been able to take a single patient who we had to put on the ventilator off of it and had our first 30 year old die. The numbers – including deaths – are underreported because we are not allowed to report it as Covid until the test comes back positive. His death will be added and there are more to be added once the test comes back. We are waiting on test results for over 1,000 and really should test 10,000. Today we are opening 33 more critical care beds because we have overwhelmed even our emergency plans. I am worried, stressed and scared. This is not a joke and I want y’all to be safe and take care of your families and especially your parents. I have basically locked down XXXX’s parents and my parents. Attached is a graph showing that we are on the same trajectory as Italy and Iran because we as a population have not stopped congregating.”
Where exactly is this? Got a link?
I haven’t gone anywhere but the grocery store since this whole thing started. I would dearly love to go visit my mother, but for her safety I don’t. My nephew, who lives close by, has been bringing her groceries. But he doesn’t go inside. He leaves them for her on the table on her back patio.
On the flip side, we have all these college kids going crazy on spring break.They don’t seem to think this applies to them. Talk about the “me” generation! The mayors of several towns here on the coast were telling them to leave and don’t come back. They’re endangering everyone who lives in those towns. smh
Anyone else notice that this ChineseVirus DAILY thread is replacing, indeed making redundant the regular Daily Threads? All the ‘cool’ kids post here apparently.
So we now have three daily threads… even a retired political junkie like myself can’t read through all the duplicate posts etc. Forum seems fragmented to me… just my two cents. Apologize for crankiness… intended to be diplomatic but my shortness of breath is extending to my shortness of courtesy.
Working in my mind. Slow reader here, so it takes time to get through. AND, redundancy helps. Easy enough to gloss some dupe posts when necessary. Three threads makes sense, IMO. Daily, virus and news ideal.
If we need to get rid of the Corona thread, I’m okay with that.
No. I don’t agree with folding the Corona thread.
I say keep it until the 15 day period is over.
It serves the purpose of keeping all of the CV related comments together.
I think P.R.’s main issue is the duplicate cross posting.
Maybe it would be better to NOT cross post between News, Open and CV threads.
I”m happy today is only three… catching up ain’t easy.
NORTH CAROLINA:
http://www.witn.com/
There are now 300 confirmed cases of the Wuhan Coronavirus in North Carolina.
The highest concentrations are: Wake (Raleigh) and Durham counties = 92 total; Mecklenburg County (Charlotte) = 80 cases.
VIRGINIA:
http://www.wtvr.com/
There are now 219 cases of the Wuhan Coronavirus in Virginia.
The highest concentrations are: James City County = 32; Fairfax County = 31; Arlington County = 26; Prince William County = 18; Virginia Beach = 17; Loudoun County = 15.
The state health department is investigating these infection clusters, as there apparently is “community spread”.
McConnell on the floor now excoriating Dems. They added Green New Deal provisions to emergency assistance.
It’s remarkable the way he’s calling them out.
Preside Trump needs to LOUDLY call D-Rats out. Betting he does. WILL enjoy the show.
But, but, THIS is the worst pandemic EVER..a REAL killer. My ass, the virus is real, but the hysteria is 100% FAKE. NO WAY the dems play ANY political games IF this was all real, they would LITERALLY have a pound of flesh exacted if they did.
It is time my friends to call this what it IS, a bad and new stain of the flu. The numbers have NOW aligned and are actually LOWER than the regular flu, despite the hype. The numbers are probably even LOWER when you factor in my hypothesis, which IS bearing out (the virus is NOT matching the exponential projections, not even CLOSE like 1/1000000 less, that is even LESS a percentage than Elizabeth Warren is Indian.) We were ALL already flooded with this in Nov-Feb, we ALREADY had it bad before the CDC even admitted it was a problem, it was ALREADY wide spread.
But, since 80% have LITTLE to NO symptoms, we ALL chocked it up to the regular flu, a bug, a cold, or allergies. We were NOT overwhelmed at the hospitals THEN, even combined with the REGULAR flu, this my friends was a nationwide over reaction OR a test by the Cabal to see what we would except or allow.
It was a COORDINATED attack on our people and ESPECIALLY our economy. Trump, having done his bit is FINALLY listening to his GUT and NOT the “experts” I bet he ENDS the NE on Sunday.
Warm weather and the cure are coming or HERE, they cannot keep this farce going, denying the AID was a tell. They WANTED their weapon, and their weapon is on the way OUT, as they all SHOULD be.
I’m not 100% sure warm weather will kill it as it does the flu – several hot spots are in hot climates – Miami/Palm Beach/Tampa and Los Angeles for example.
Seems to be connected to air and cruise ship travel and to sanctuary cities/states and illegals.
Yep, but sunlight DOES kill it, and with warm weather, and WET weather, it will DIE. There are VERY few cases in warm wet countries that were NOT brought in. Ther is VERY LITTLE spread, as with nearly all viruses. Plus its shelf life will decrease on surfaces as well as being harder for it to spread on cold dry air. Warm HUMID air is MUCH heaver, and viruses do not travel great distances in it.
NO WAY ! BEWARE !
commie left wing COVID SCAMMER ALERT !
DemPanic as a TROJAN HORSE !
I am sorry, but there is NO WAY this hyped up hysteria is REAL, this was the tell, if this were THE killer it is supposed to be, there is NO WAY the dems would risk playing politics with it. THAT VOTE is the beginning of the END of this FARCE. (the virus IS real, it is a bad version of the flu, the HYPE making it into a global “killer” pandemic like 1918 is NOT.)
Slow guy here has zero faith in D-Rats. Have not seen evidence D-Rats care about America, Americans or anyone life for that matter. They don’t. Not happy to say that. But, someone, please do prove me wrong.
100% believe come this Sunday we’ll hear it is the meds are knocking down ChiCom-19. Go back to work. Old folks best to quarantine. AND HAMMER THE SHIT OUT OF D-RATS for not supporting ALL Americans.Above may be tailored a bit to NY, CA… But majority of America, carry on as we did three months ago.
AGREED!
Agreed…. And Angry.
Me TOO!
P!ss on them and their wish list.
Now, Chuckie is playing the patient, long-suffering statesman.
Gag me.
I’m bugging out for a bit.
r/China_Flu
•Posted byu/Cora-0467
15 hours ago
French doctors no longer want to wait for authorization and extend hydroxychloroquine treatment to covid-19 positive patients
Local Report: France
Marseille, March 22, 2020
Covid-19 coronavirus outbreak
In the current context of the spread of the Covid-19 coronavirus epidemic on French territory and worldwide. In accordance with the Hippocratic Oath that we have taken, we obey our duty as a doctor. We provide our patients with the best care for the diagnosis and treatment of a disease. We respect the rules of the art and the most recently acquired data of medical science.
We have decided : • For all febrile patients who come to consult us, to carry out tests for the diagnosis of infection with Covid 19; • For all infected patients, many of whom are not very symptomatic, have lung lesions on the CT scan, to propose the disease as soon as possible, as soon as the diagnosis is made: – a treatment with the combination of hydroxychloroquine (200 mg x 3 per day for 10 days) + Azithromycin (500 mg on the 1st day then 250 mg per day for 5 more days), as part of the precautions for use of this association (including an electrocardiogram on D0 and D2), and outside of marketing authorization. In cases of severe pneumonia, a broad-spectrum antibiotic is also used.
We believe that it is not ethical that this association should not be systematically included in therapeutic trials concerning the treatment of Covid-19 infection in France.
Pr Philippe Brouqui, Pr Jean-Christophe Lagier, Pr Matthieu Million, Pr Philippe Parola, Pr Didier Raoult, Dr Marie Hocquart
https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/epidemie-a-coronavirus-covid-19/?fbclid=IwAR0_8WI-NyEquSfz4ydvDyvgMGFqWYLlDXjnt-suATu7QhPi57Up_Xk5ec4
Sen Thune’s finest hour. Great speech.
Got a link? Are you watching CSPAN?
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I heard it on YouTube –
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…and Thune was great!!! :8-)
Thune is at 43:18 here on CSPAN:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?470560-1/senate-takes-procedural-votes-economic-relief-package&live=
And there is a (not-guaranteed accurate) transcript!
January 17, 2020: CNN report, Trump Adim starts screening process to check for China virus at 3 airports. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/01/17/health/wuhan-virus-us-airport-screenings-china-bn/index.html?__twitter_impression=true&fbclid=IwAR3kx37AIhObmw-QgITBzf0LR1hBHGSM_T3YX7lpBjQlyreGMGBJnfIa9hE
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China’s brutal totalitarian regime is about to begin demanding all the countries deep in debt to it start reopening their borders to travel from China.
They say they’ve fixed the problem, you see. No new indigenous cases of CCP Virus, only cases brought in by evil furriners.
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Graham: There’s a debate going on about whether or not we should lessen containment policies because of the economic impact..Is the cure worse than the disease? My advice would be to follow medical advice to contain the virus
It appears that Sen. Graham is showing his Swamp / DeepState stripes again.
Not surprising to me.
good Ms Lindsey is no longer in the Navy. CAN’T make a decision. Also good when he was in the Navy, a damn lawyer.
Another report of a potential early case from Eastern Canada…
I was very sick around Christmas with dry cough etc. … I had never had a cold or flu like this before at the time because I felt so weird.
It was worst while at Christmas dinner for the family. I could not figure out why there was no phlegm with that cold or whatever it was.
And now:
http://www.msn.com/
Breaking News
The IOC (International Olympic Committee) will postpone the 2020 Tokyo Olympics because of the coronavirus pandemic. “Details to follow”.
Kate Brown just gave Oregon the “stay at home” order.
WALL UPDATE!!!
Ladies and Gentlemen – that big beautiful life-saving WALL is going up steadily and without pause!
142 MILES OF COMPLETE WALL SYSTEM – US top grade steel bollards, roadway, lights, surveillance and drones – have been COMPLETED!
An estimated 258.3 miles of steel bollards have been erected – according to contract start/completion dates.
Map – Data – History – Technology here ! – https://www.trumpwall.construction/
Wall Construction videos! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYtneCAHRWbDszcY19hIr4A
Twitter –
Tweets by TrumpWallConstr
BORDER UPDATE!
Border enforcement has not relaxed one bit with the Communist Chinese Virus – CCV – invasion!
In fact, it has only gotten more intense and stringent – and enforcement personnel even more dedicated!
Drugs and illegals are being stopped more than ever.
Several kinds of fake virus test kits have been seized.
NO ONE is allowed to cross the border – Only legitimate and inspected normal commercial trade is allowed across.
HATS OFF – LOUD CHEERS – MANY PRAYERS FOR OUR BORDER PROTECTION OFFICERS!!!
OHMYGOSH! I MEANT TO POST THIS ON FLEP’S NEWS THREAD LIKE I USUALLY DO!
RATS!
Coming to a neighborhood near you:
700WLW, 2PM Eastern, news report:
HAMILTON COUNTY (OHIO, includes Cincinnati) sheriff’s office issued a statement that their department will have uniformed officers in their patrol cars OUT ON THE ROADS to MAKE SURE the order from Gov. DEWINE and state medical health director DR. AMY ACTON, that all “non-essential” businesses close and “shelter in place’ statewide that starts at Midnight tonight, are being complied with.
The sheriff’s office statement also said that the officers in the patrol cars “will assume” that people out driving are “going to or from essential tasks”; and that the officers will be looking at businesses to make sure they are closed up.
PRESIDENT TRUMP is excited!
700WLW, news conference, GOV. DEWINE:
Orders immediate hiring freeze in OHIO state government except for people involved in fighting the virus.
Freeze on new contract services effective today.
State cabinet conference call today at 4PM — make cuts in state programs up to 20%. Exceptions will be make for some departments only.
Slow down state spending on “non-essential” projects.
“We’re all in this together. It’s not Republican versus Democrat.”
All child care facilities must apply by tomorrow for an “emergency operating license” to stay open. New rules for child care facilities begin this Thursday. All child care facilities must limit children under their care to 6 per room. No exceptions.
DR. AMY ACTON:
Ohio now has 351 cases of the coronavirus.
Front-line healthcare personnel are doing a heroic job.
Practitioners: take advantage of the telemedicine system now set up. Get medical histories for ALL people in a household. Get people in isolation / quarantine at home if at all possible.
PPE shortages: Federal government shipments too slow and not enough of supplies, so manufactures in Ohio are stepping up to make and ship these items. Ditto for testing kits. (Backhand slap at POTUS and VP Pence’s team)
Next areas for containment of spread: nursing homes / retirement communities.
Question about when the shelter in place order will be lifted:
Gov. DEWINE: I’ll refer to Dr. Acton.
DR. ACTON: science will continue tp evolve on the virus. We have get through the coming hospital surge. We don’t to waste a day but must be ahead of the curve. My team is talking to medical professionals all over the world to learn what they are doing. (Basically, she did NOT answer the question)
Question related to enforcement of the shelter at home orders:
*** Gov. DEWINE: Police will talk to the people involved if there’s a report of non-compliance. Citations will be issued. Individual officers will make the decisions. Bars for example would lose their liquor license.
*** IMPLIED THREAT OF FORCIBLE COMPLIANCE
Question related to HISPANIC community: Are there consequences if they are required to go to work, especially in construction. (IMPLICATION that Hispanics can be discriminated against)
Gov. DEWINE: All people living in Ohio must follow the orders.
Nurse friend just heard from an entomologist that there is no credible evidence that COVID-19 spreads through mosquitoes, ticks and such. They are monitoring the situation.
Y’all need to tune into CSPAN2 right now.
It’s WILD.
https://www.c-span.org/networks/?channel=c-span-2
Barasso is FURIOUS
We’re working on a crisis and the Dems are trying to push the Green New Deal.
Install a Cap and Trade system for the airlines.
Pushing for diversity of corp boards
election laws, requiring same day voting,
expanding solar panels
Dems are NOT HERE because what they are doing cannot be defended.
You can bet THE BOSS is furious too!
NO deal is better than the D-Rat poison pill.
President Trump WILL roast D-Rats endlessly.
NEED anothe presser.
I cannot imagine what he is thinking right now.
OMG
Hide the good crystal.
Today’s presser should be one for the record books.
Imagine, Piglosi throwing a wrench in the works, AND the House is in recess.
Cry’n Chuck and Piglosi will be roasted.
As soon as meds are proven working, we get back to business is US. Big kinks in some states. But most states will take off.
Barasso is on a tear.
House of Reps are not in town, been gone for a week. Nancy flew in from California to throw a monkey wrench into this vote.
We can litigate the Green New Deal another day – spouse of a Senator is in the hospital.
Election reform
Diversity on corp boards
emissions for planes another day
expanding earned income tax credit
WIC and SNAP
Nancy’s speech on facebook urged the President of the USA to drop his lawsuit against Obamacare.
get the bill on the floor
Here comes Rob Portman from Ohio.
It was like the Dems are talking about another bill.
Our’s is biprtisan.
5 task forces
all task forces had 2 repubs and 2 dems
we’ve gone through this process
CDC says cats, camels, cows and bats all carry coronavirus, according to nurse friend.
Also Purina is having trouble with supply chain.
Dems want more money
more money for states
more money for hospitals
more money for those items in three weeks, six weeks, if we find out we need to do more.
Small biz needs the help now, they’re watching us and waiting to pull the trigger to see if they need to lay off their people.
This legislation does what we all agreed to do.
3 things
it’s all in the legislation
get it under control
3 objetives are in this legislation, been through all the details
ventilaors
mask, gowns, testing
4 billion to CDC to do that
data and metric to track it
We’re letting people down right now
McConnell
Dems trying to argue procedure, trying to keep us here until Friday or Saturday…….. leaving markets wondering ALL WEEK LONG
Portman back again
We’re setting up an unemployment insurance system unprecedented ——– 8X’s what did exist. Private employers, people in the gig economy, all kinds of things.
We’ve done it.
I’ve never seen Rob Portman that angry.
Here we go…………. effing Chris Murphy.
Dem Senator from connecticut.
He says it is not bipartisan.
Repubs wrote the bill initially
brought dems in for about 24hours
then removed
then lobbyists on KStreet were let in
Murphy says Repubs cannot call it bipartisan if we were not involved in the beginning and at the end.
We have differences of opinion
We have differences on policy
I want to make sure we spend 2 trillion carefully
How can you spend 2 trillion if you don’t stop the virus
We don’t think this bill has enough mney in it for health care workers to stop the virus
dems want to pass out more money to the states
Murphy
If Dems had been in the room in the beginning, we wouldn’t be here today.
We were ushered out on Saturday night
We have disagreements on how money will be handed to corporations.
much of that money handed out ended up in the accounts of CEO’s
We want MINIMAL retention for employment
(no, have to maintain employees PRE crisis otherwise you don’t qualify)
You KNEW you couldn’t pass anything without us, you need 60 votes, and you didn’t invite us to the party
Money going to “health care providers” was limited by definition
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh
Abortion clinics are listed as “health care providers”
Repubs don’t want money to go to abortion providers.
You’re telling me that Planned Parenthood “might be dealing with COVID positive patients”, so the abortion clinics need more money????????//
OMG
Murphy says we can get there by the end of the day……….. as long as Repubs agree with the Dem………
Joni Earnst being overly dramatic.
Losing credibility because of her bravado.
She’s pissed but overplaying.
Whew
She is hot! Angry!
Jumping up and down.
“we’re not even voting on the BILL YET”
“We’re just trying to get to debate”
We need to be working in the most effective and efficient way possible……. to get help to …….
she is spitting she is so mad.
She’s got constituents crying to her on the phone.
She is so mad……..
She’s pointing. Let me say that again, “The EMERGENCY TASK FORCE” in her state
11K calls today for unemployment insurance 2K of them were self emplyed, they won’t qualify under current program, but they would under this plan we’re trying to vote on
And the Dems won’t pass it until they get their GREEN NEW DEAL
We voted on it last year and NONE of them voted for it
What does airline emission standards have to do with helping Iowa families get back to work.
If we said 3 trillion would that be enough
If we said 4 trillion would that be enough
No
It wouldn’t be enough, because they want their Green New Deal.
Chris Van Hollen – he’s the asshole Dem who commissioned a study from Congressional Budget Office who claimed Trump was “breaking the law” when he delayed sending money to Ukraine.
Same thing Obama did 7 times.
Same thing every President has done.
And it’s not against the “law” – as there is no penalty for delay and the President was within the window to send money to Ukraine.
Van Hollen says he wants to act in a bipartisan way
Explains what was done in the previous phase 1 and phase 2
claims Dems had to fight the Repubs to get the FEDS to pay for testing.
Hollen is defending Pelosi – well phase one and phase two only got done because Pelosi was there
claims there is no green deal in this
Hollen is blaming McConnell for this debacle.
Defending Nancy Pelosi.
McConnell, says Hollen, that McConnell knew he did not have 60 votes, he could have delayed it a few hours because negotians were going on.
McConnell pulled the trigger
Says McConnell initiated a self-inflicted wound on the American people and now we can’t vote until Wednesday
OMG they are asking for 100% wage replacement????????????????
That’s insane.
Should only be 70% because you’re NOT going to work.
No wonder the Repubs are bullshit.
And they want to extend the TIME of 100% unemployment insurance.
That would be a disaster
Because the economy would not start back up again if people are paid 100% of income to stay home and NOT work.
Hollen talking about stock buybacks…… and it’s a red herring.
Both Dems and Repubs agree on this issue.
Yet, Dems are insisting NO stock buybacks for 20yrs
Well, that’s stupid.
And Hollen is implying the Repubs want to give the trump Admin a blank check for corps.
Not true
Trump Admin wants to LOAN companies money, whereas Dems want to take an equity stake.
which is the beginning of naionlizing the airlines.
Hollen says the Admin said they don’t want landlords to foreclose
What?
Landlords don’t foreclose, banks do.
Ohhhhhhhhh, Hollen wants to add another goody, stop the banks from foreclosing.
Hollen dismissing the critism of Nancy Pelosi, says the Senate can’t get it’s job done.
Let’s stop playing games.
But it’s the Dems who ware holding up procedure.
Hollen “calling for unity” while demanding outrageous things.
…… maybe we can come back in a couple hours with a proposal that will get the job done.
Steve Danes up from Montana – Republican.
Referencing the exponential growth.
4 billion for equipment but it’s going through the CDC?????
350 billion for business
10.5 billion for drug treatment – can’t stop the hysteria until we stop the disease, monocronial antibodies, culd stop the second wave of disease this fall, if we do not act now.
He wants a vaccine – accelerating protection for next season, and we just lost another day
Vaccine trials going on now
he’s not informed enough
I’m still catching up from being out for a few hours during the day, but word from my friend A is that she tested negative. She just has a bad cold. WHEW!
Deplorable Patriot
This is good news about friend A!
She’s pretty happy despite being under the weather.
I have to stop
We have guests!!!!!!!!!
So THAT’s where the House went.
Noooooooooo!!! As always tho, the hostess with the mostest 🙂 Thanks for the play by play.
Thanks for recapping for us. I find it unbearable to watch the drama.
Cotton of Arkansas,
Ripping the Dems for accusing Rs of wanting bailouts; he claims that Rs want to do loans, and Schmucky is demanding outright handouts to the airlines.
He’s doing a good job.
Dems Mandating $15min wage, current minimum wage is ZERO!!!
Indeed.
Cotton highlighting the pork in the Dem proposal. After each one, asking what it has to do with the pandemic (toss the paper aside, next…)
Election rules? Really? (Points out they can’t count in Iowa)
Carbon Neutral airliners by 2025. He points out how long the extension cords would have to be.
Let’s see. This WuFlu, this over-hyped WuFlu is just a different strain of ordinary flu strains that run almost silently through our villages and towns every year, with numbers actually lower than the our regular, ho-hum ordinary flu. Really?
Then why are companies repurposing their plants to make masks, PPEs and ventilators that we didn’t need for the regular flu? Planned hype?
And why are countries hospital facilities being overrun by patients needing supplemental oxygen and emergency ventilation? More planned hype?
And then there’s those pesky diagnoses of sudden death, and permanent damage to lungs, kidneys and heart. All mistakes . . . just a little hype?
And why are countries’ borders closed, areas isolated, social activities curtailed, schools and businesses closed? Ahh, even more planned hype.
And why, unlike the regular flu, are hospital staffs being literally run into the ground by long hours tending the sick and dying? Uh-huh. More hype.
I think I could continue with the examples . . . and all because the ChiCom’s are working with Soros and the Dimms just to, yup, hype the WuFlu.
If WuFlu numbers get stifled, it’ll be because of isolation, medical procedures, dedicated medical staffs, emergency manufacturing of masks, PPEs and ventilators . . . and the miraculous discovery of existing, proven medicines that can wipe out the bug in a short period of time . . . all working together to mitigate and eradicate.
Just hype of another flu strain? No way!
Thank you.
Local news reports that local media is being destroyed by the shutdown. Nobody is buying advertising because everything is shut down. Sports reporters are being laid off because there are no sports to cover. The free newspapers are shutting down entirely because advertising revenue dried up, and places that distribute the paper like coffee shops aren’t open.
Marathon oil just laid off 1500 contractors in Galveston.
A friend drives one of those electronic advertising trucks & their business Had been booming & climbing before the ChiCom Virus & now no one wants to advertise since so many things are closed down…
Lindsey Grahmnesty up.
He hasn’t been this disgusted since Kavanaugh.
He’s not even 1/100th as on fire though.
Cotton is worth watching, for sure.
He won’t give in.
If WuFlu been here for many months like we suspect, how come our hospitals haven’t already been overrun???
Because it HASN’T been here for months.
And we are watching it arrive now.
A lot of people on this board believe they’ve have had it going back to November, Including Wolfie and his wife.
I’m aware of that.
I don’t believe it. I believe they caught something…but not this.
Your first question was on point. Why haven’t our hospitals ALREADY been overwhelmed?
Because whatever it is that was going around…isn’t THIS.
Well, Neither one of us can prove it was or wasn’t.¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I can’t prove it…but I can make an argument.
Hospitals are filling with ChiComCrud cases now.
They weren’t full two months ago, in spite of the fact that CCC was supposedly everywhere back then. THAT is a CONTRADICTION.
Remember the early videos out of China that showed people dropping in the streets like flies? Why aren’t we seeing that in Italy? Funny how that got memory-holed.
Why aren’t we seeing it HERE?? In the most photographed era where literally everyone has a camera…why aren’t we hearing from real patients, families? We have bots on social media….some almost believable, and whatever MSM wants to feed us. Where are the REAL stories?
I’ve wondered the same thing. The media keeps saying that the hospitals are being overrun, but no videos or pictures. If they had dramatic footage, they would have released it by now to shock people into conforming to their social distancing demands. Blur the faces for privacy.
Exactly!! That makes me suspicious….and the fact that they twisted POTUS’ words when he called them out early on for the hoax, not that the virus itself was a hoax
We could fill a whole book with stuff that is suspicious about this crisis.
Including the extremely long, extremely detailed Facebook posts from random people that “have it”. Most of the profiles appear fake including the most recent one I saw of a baby….lots of details, but only 2 or 3 other entries from 2011-2017…..not buying those
Nancy Pelosi’s House Bill is 1400 pages of this same crap.
https://twitter.com/EM_KA_17/status/1242191687226724352
$10,000 minimum student debt forgiveness is about $500 billion added to the bill and paid for by the 70% of Americans who do not have college degrees.
https://twitter.com/katrina_wiser/status/1242189834057367553
He points out that under the present circumstances, should we not spend that 500 billion…on the virus?
Whoops, sorry, thought you were quoting Cotton, who did bring this up.
I’m thinking unladylike thoughts that Southern girls were taught not to do….because it would damage our hearts and souls and make our countenance unpleasant to behold.
Then don’t think those thoughts. Just do it!
Caution: extreme satisfaction involved!
The gentleman from Montana pointed out that Collins and someone else (Lamar?), not paragons of partisanship, are PISSED and that should tell anyone who is watching, what they need to know.
https://twitter.com/rachelbovard/status/1242116258834845710
Nancy’s bill bails out the Post Office, cancelling their debt……. before working on America’s debt
https://twitter.com/rachelbovard/status/1242116665489399815
Nancy demands a racially diverse corporate board for American companies before saving your life.
https://twitter.com/rachelbovard/status/1242118555107196933
https://twitter.com/rachelbovard/status/1242121907694186497
The States decide how they want to vote, not Nancy Pelosi
https://twitter.com/rachelbovard/status/1242123563760521216
They also want to secure pensions for Newspapers. Protecting their media mouthpieces.
Ted Cruz–116 Americans died today while the Dems were not here doing their jobs.
[And the day isn’t over.]
Provision to pay federal employees taxpayer dollars while they work on union business…….. before buying ventilators.
https://twitter.com/rachelbovard/status/1242129670243602432
Nancy demands airlines to be carbon neutral by 2025
Jets?????
Before buying N95 masks.
https://twitter.com/rachelbovard/status/1242130762738130952
Ted Cruz telling everyone a local mainstay of Houston, a BBQ place, is closing up today. As a lead in to describing all the businesses that are on the verge of folding.
Ohhh, and Nancy demands every time you get a rate quote for a plane ticket, the airlines have to inform you of how many Carbon credits your flight is burning.
Wonder if they will require it for all the private jets for the Hollywood buddies of Nancy?
https://twitter.com/rachelbovard/status/1242131193069547522
Well, this is crap.
Dems from Obama Admin have us at almost 0% interest for over a decade which endangers ALL pension plans.
But NANCY wants to save the pension plans for “community newspapers” – meaning the 200 city papers who endorsed Hillary, largely DEM orgs……..
……. before Nancy will help regular Americans laid off because of a global pandemic.
https://twitter.com/rachelbovard/status/1242133659118862338
I would rather ration what supplies I have than give One. Single. Inch on this fiasco she has proposed. If I die from starvation as a pauper, at least I will be an AMERICAN pauper. This bitch is crazy and I can’t even write down what needs to happen to her 😡
Question: cannot the medical.community or environmental one or someone donate hazmat suits to the Republican Senators allowing them to return to some walled off part of the Senate that would allow them to vote?
Logical question…I suppose it’s a matter of getting them there, etc. I would hope that if they were called upon to do it and were able enough, they could make it happen.
Boy, that would certainly be an occasion for the history books…all those Senators walking into the Chambers looking like astronauts.
Minority Banks and Minority credit unions? Ohhhh, nothing could go wrong with racist financing could it?
https://twitter.com/rachelbovard/status/1242163742323998722
Cruz is outdoing Cotton!
CRUZ was ON FIRE!
Too bad the Commie News Networks won’t carry this.
Anyone who isn’t furious over this–is not paying attention.
(No, that’s not CruzFromTexas, that’s SteveInColorado)
Well, I know I’m beyond furious!
You over-achiever!
I’m beyond furious just reading the highlights!!
Lisa Murkowsky from Alaska is up.
empty chamber ..all the dems have left
Restricting colleges from providing information about citizenship status
(1) INFORMATION.—Only information requested
On the official 2020 decennial census of population form may be provided to the Bureau of the Census pursuant to this section. No institution of higher education may provide any information to the Bureau on the immigration or citizenship status of any individual.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/23/nancy-pelosi-proposes-1120-page-coronavirus-bill-stuffed-with-pork/
Here is the “Nancy” Bill
1119 pages. Interesting digits.
NO WAY they wrote this is just a few days..NONE.
Exactly!
I hope somebody rips it up like she did the SOTU speech and throws it right in her demonic lying face
https://twitter.com/SenateGOP/status/1242207126908473345?s=20
January 27th, 2020
“Chinese Virus”from the Washington Post
Well, you can’t hold people yesterday to today’s standards.
Unless, of course, it’s the Founding Fathers.
LMAO.
The Five on Fox is trying to portray remote participation Too bad Juan, Dana and Greg all are in studio. You can tell by the blue background.
RSBN Feed for this afternoon’s “brief”ing. (It’s not “brief”)
Another stream:
Thank, Punkin. I edited them both into the main post
Punkin Center is probably about a hundred miles away!
(Yes, there really is a “Punkin Center” in Colorado. Not Pumpkin, Punkin. It’s an intersection between two state highways, and not much more. I have no idea where the name came from.)
You’re definitely my Punkin.
But I am not orange.
And neither is Potus. 😀
Close family member nickname here.
Rush’s cat!
Barr is in the room! Interesting.
Fricking cameras sounded like machine gun fire.
Yeah, hmmmm….
Guessing. DOJ is going after price gougers.
https://twitter.com/lexxstones/status/1242204932947816453
Social distancing. “You, who gave me crap about negativity the other day–YOU sit in the Tidal basin. You can sit in the middle of Pennsylvania avenue. You….”
Clear out all the reporters except Chanel from OAN.
Well the eyes are getting tired for instead of ““You, who gave me crap about ”
I thought ““You, who gave me the clap about …
-Ok, so the bank had a line of over 20 cars long. I’ll skip that today.
-Fast food lines also long but people are buying.
-The Gun store was PACKED. You could NOT get a parking space.
-The neighbor is SOOOOOOOOOO pissed at the dems you would not believe.
Wonder what POTUS Trump will have to say about this…?
I drove right up to the ATM and conducted business with a Purell wipe.
It probably is NOT true that Imperator Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus (a/k/a “Nero”), fiddled while Rome burned in 64 CE.
However, the Dems are doing the moral equivalent of that right now.
Bill Barr on briefing stage, along with Birx and military.
Guessing Military guy, an Admiral, will discuss Comfort and Mercy timeline. USNS ships. General public does not know those ships are not maintained in ready to sail now. Nor are they staffed, either medical or regular crew. Takes a week or two to get it all together. Medical staff generally comes from shore bases. General crew Merchant Mariners. Day to day Care taker crew minimal staff.
Here we go!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dr. B’s scarf looks a lot like one of mine. If I wasn’t about a foot shorter and busty as all get out, I’d love to play in her closet.
I don’t think you would. You’d encounter too many confused gender Democrat Representatives and Senators in there trying on her clothes and preening in her mirrors.
Did Fauci get sidelined? 2 days in a row.
Good. He is not part of the PR solution.
BILL BARR!!!!!
I knew it!!!!!
Our country was not built for this. We are not a country to be SHUTDOWN. Soon open for business. Not going to let the cure be worse than the problem. Waiting for 15 days to determine opening of our country
“Opening of our country”
Stop partisan politics, focus on needs of American people. Medical problem, not going to turn into financial problem.
wow lots of material
Oooh. Barr’s portfolio. There’s rough torn pages there. I always took care to be neat about this. Those were torn quickly.
Signal – a page has been torn out by Bill Barr?
Rumors of no jury trials and asking Congress to petition Judicary were just that, RUMORS….Thanks Politico!
Drugs going out in NYC tomorrow
Talking about the NYPost article today
Exec order against price gouging and hoarding of med supplies
“It is a crime to engage in prohibited activity”
Birx looks like she doesn’t like POTUS
Swamp folks are like that. Birx is a temp player as I recall. Fauci also comes to mind. But, gotta work with the hand dealt.
“If you are at home with a pile of toilet paper, you don’t have anything to worry about” LOL!
Minor note. glad to see John’s Hopkins is showing county data again.
Yes we noticed that today too
Oh. Missed that post. Slow guy, slow to keep up. Or try to keep up. 🙂
It’s ok it’s super-busy right now!
By “we” I mean my wife and I – sorry for being unclear 😉
All in fun 🙂
103 people returned from Brazil
Italy, no deaths under 15, 1-14 year old death in China
Deaths predominantly in 50+ AND people with 3 pre-existing conditions
250,000 tests run in last 7 days, still behind …prioritize in hospital tests next
POTUS mentioned remdecivir and another medicine that started with R, also the delay of an ID program?
POTUS very resolute, almost appears angry.
Looking forward to epic fireworks during Q&A. Absolutely slam D-Rats demands for crap having nothing to do with CCV impacts.
National stage. An opportunity. SLAM D-Rats on a national scale 🙂
He’s there keeping things on the up and up. Like a boss. I LOVE his stance. His “I AM IN CHARGE, THESE ARE MY PEOPLE” is palpable.
Crisis PR 101. LOVE IT. Can’t wait for this to take its place next to the 1982 Tylenol scare as a “how to” in crisis PR management.
“We will heal our land”!!!!!
Lots of content in this brief if reporters care to report it. Helpful stuff.
That’s just it. IF they CHOOSE to report it.
FEMA Rear Admiral John _______, supply chain stabilization task force
Holy crap
This guy is a Rear Admiral
He’s in charge of the logistics supply chain for FEMA!!
He’s a demi-God in my book.
Betting he can throw thunderbolts.
Virus will be bad, we also have bad flu season….We’re trying to make it much less bad. Numbers will increase, then decrease. We’re gonna get this Great Country working again…
Press curs focusing on how bad it is, 1st 2 out of the gate
Setting the stage here people, there will be STAGED reopening’s and quarantines of the elderly, instead of EVERYONE, as it SHOULD have been from the BEGINNING.
Trump is prepping to open BEFORE Easter. My stupid Governor said he would ignore it, well, I will ignore, and SUE HIS ASS OFF if Trump reopens after 15 days and little Napoleon tries to keep us closed for F O U R deaths and LESS than 150 cases, in a state of OVER 5 million. PLEASE try it numbnuts, I will ENJOY the federal lawsuit, and REALLY enjoy seeing you ass get RECALLED VERY SOON for it.
Would think Cuomo, Newsome and other D-rats guvs would be burning the phone lines with Cry’n Chuck and Piglosi to get on with Covid relief bill.
Remember there are hungry laid off rent paying Dems out there too. How long can those resisters hold out while supporting Nasty Nan??
Rand Paul had part of a lung removed and was in proximity to a positive test.
Press really sucks.
TOTALLY MISLEADING AND INTENTIONAL!!!!!!!
“You’ll notice that I was not here over the weekend . . . Low grade fever”
Dumbass focusing on why Rand Paul got test out of guidelines???
Birx had low fever Saturday, POTUS uh oh, jumps to side. She took test, negative, stayed home extra day
Bill Barr looks like he’s bored and ready to leave 😛
He looks like he wants to punch the MSM
LOL if we’re lucky, he probably does! So many are so deeply in bed w/ China.
1119 pages????
And, Like the UNpatriototic act They didn’t have the ALREADY WRITTEN AND WAITING FOR THE PANDEMIC???
Hey, Nasty Nan, your ties to China and your COORDINATION with the release of a BIO-WEAPON FROM CHINA JUST GOT EXPOSED!!!
Any doubts I had that the Democrats and the Communist Chinese weren’t colluding in the release of this bio-weapon just evaporated!
Oh you know their lobbyists have huge books of prewritten spendapolooza crap all ready to go in a moments’ notice!!!
They’ve had nothing ELSE to do since Nancy became speaker. . .
This is WHY Nancy was gone for a week.
She was in the forest, peeling off eyes of Newt, mixing a bill in her big black cauldron.
Did you get the Dr’s permission to allow everyone to go back to work?? 🤯🤯🤯
Did they endorse?
This chick is ridiculous……. He is the DECIDER IN CHIEF!
Not going to let them say disparaging things about people of Asian heritage!
Governors will have leeway of what to open and close once POTUS gives green light.
Notice how he lets the team get back to work.
I hate the MSM
Quite telling with my tin foil hat…
No one ever, ever thought we’d have a simultaneous flu season with a virus.
Hmmmm…ChiCom Xi did. IMO
I was thinking the same thing!!! Good way to hide it.
Angry media. LOL
LOL Bill Barr could not stop smiling
Bwwhwhhhahahaa
Barr and Potus are like little imps together.
Barr giggling and Trump looking back.
OMG, trolling the media like crazy.
POTUS makes FUN of the ANGRY media . . .
FORCED BIRX TO LIGHTEN UP 🙂
GOOD MOVE!
Love the way he called her Deborah.
It’s ALMOST AS IF he brought in Dr. Birx originally and mentored her Apprentice-style to stand up in front of the media, you know, in case there was a day that Dr. Fauci wouldn’t be available for the briefing.
Q to Birx – POTUS riffing on the ANGRY ANGRY media, that doesn’t like him very much. When virus is gone, Will they all be able to sit in here close together again?
And POTUS motions for Barr to leave
Bill Barr is out!! 😀 Get that man a beer!!!
LOL True
Germany stick to your family. Oh yeah, THAT”S not going to cause problems.
Great tying the CCV relief bill to mental health. Putting it on Congress…D-Rats.
Art of the deal
“We’re meeting with the Doctors, Dr. Fauci… Dr. Birx…”
Dr. Birx is hoping for the second and third wave, and hoping she can keep her job.
Wants to be important.
Hmm. Could be.
Why do we need a vaccine if we have drugs to stop it.
BING BING BING!!!!!!!!!!!!
We have a winner
Yeah!!! What’s my prize?!?!? 🙂 A Virtual High five!!!!
Because some people’s symptoms appear rapidly and like a sledgehammer and could be very, very quickly life threatening, particularly if that person has comorbidities.
I’m starting to wonder if the sudden deaths aren’t from an infection that quickly goes via nostrils to brain stem which shuts down autonomic functions, like breathing?
Finally: Where is Dr. Fauci now?
I was just with him. We had a test and he was there.
“He’ll be back up very soon”
Hiding under the bed.
The media sounds like they want MOAR SHUTDOWN…of the economy, not the useless bits of the government.
This man has a patience.
Pledge to keep this room. Shut up MSM
MCM, D-Rat and deep state wishes the destruction of President Trump.
My bet remains with the Trump Train performing magnificently.
“I WILL BE LISTENING TO HIM, and to Deborah, and other experts. . . balancing act . . . we can do two things at one time” Shut down TRAP QUESTION
If Press Corps comes down sick will you keep open?
This is a very convenient room. I don’t have a good reason to close it
“This is a very important man right here, to my right, the Vice President”
Fed has caught up!! LOL
Arrows. LOL
I am happy with him [FED Powell] He’s really stepped up . . . Really good job . . . proud of him . . . took courage
Translation. His balls were in a vice and the electrodes were charged
Where is Devos?
Will be soon to discuss the education impacts and national standardized testing requirements . . . met with all nations governors today
That bottle blonde reporter…. ugh
Good presser so far.
Surprised no fireworks slaughtering D-Rats screwing up CCV relief passing.
Guessing. Cry’n Chuck and Nitwit Nanzi backed off their BS wish list.
I found it interesting when he was talking about the CDC was there for a flu and nothing like this.
“I don’t want to stand up here two hours and do this” LOL 😛
“At least we can say he is very transparent”
Still trying to TRAP whether he will listen to Fauci and Birx
Searching, searching, for a new outrage du jour
Many people are obviously focused on the near future – people becoming new gardeners and existing gardeners increasing their gardens. Message from one seed supplier that I happen to use:
Dear Gardening Friend,
In response to the Coronavirus emergency nationwide, we are experiencing an unprecedented giant surge in the number of orders we receive daily. As a result, we expect we will be out of stock on some of our popular varieties this season. Nationwide, all home garden seed companies are experiencing the same issues.
Most of our staff is working from home and we have established cautionary workspace safety measures at our warehouse. This combination of the sheer volume of orders and emergency procedures means it’s taking additional time to fill and pack orders, and nationwide, shipping carriers are taking longer to deliver orders to customers.
We will continue to do the best we can and appreciate your patience and understanding under these difficult and trying conditions.
Sincerely,
Renee Shepherd
We called that one!!!!
other sources I like completely closed for shutdown for now:
https://www.groworganic.com/
Closed for a few days to catch up:
https://migardener.com/splash/index.html
Ugh! Going to try ordering organic seed potatoes from amazon … hopefully, reliable
Sidenote:
First off, let me state I have the utmost respect for physicians.
That said,
When I was at the brokerage firm, I finally got to a point where I could select what kind of clients I wanted and could refuse some…… cuz they were jerks and took too much of my time.
At that point, the first group I personally banned was physicians, especially surgeons.
They didn’t know $hit about finance but thought they were Gods and knew everything. Plus, they were arrogant and used to others catering to their every whim.
I didn’t like them – as people.
They were horrid when it came to cooperating with other professions, providing information/necessary docs, meeting with others like attorneys……. and they RARELY paid their bills on time.
Frustrating…… with no shame, no apology.
Not like the docs we grew up with as kids.
Offensive.
Now that I am away from that business, look back in retrospect, I’m thinking it is because of what they do and those around them. In a hospital, a surgeon is like a demi-God. People follow them around and cater to their every wish. Do they ever tie their own shoes? Hard to go from that kind of atmosphere to a humble household where a 3yr old toddler thinks THEY are the most important person in the world.
A decade later, pharma reps used our house to have elaborate dinners, give presentations, group of a dozen docs would come in for a 4-5 hour dinner. Same thing. Of all the people we did biz with, the docs treated my staff worse than anyone else. Not good manners.
Dr. Birx and Fauchi are those kinds of docs.
That right there!!!
I have a very low tolerance for arrogant people who lack humility.
medical school for husband in a previous career. top hospital medical school.
100% yes about surgeons. Well known about them.
I’ve known a lot of doctors over the last 45 years – and some surgeons are as you described. However, of those I’ve known, more than half are/were great men, kind, gentle, caring. There were one or two in the community that really fit that mold and they were teased about it by the others on the hospital staff.
Same with the other specialties. The generations of doctors in my family work/worked very hard and they studied very hard and long too… from college through internship and residency is 10-12 years… and with some specialties longer.
All in all, the years from the 60s-80s were the golden years for riches, luxury, big fast cars, huge homes. That’s not happening nowadays. All those dinners and meetings at resorts sponsored by drug companies – are also a thing of the past.
However, the liability insurance and danger of lawsuits was huge back then. Things have changed a lot since then. The government regulations are stricter too and the technology has transformed the practice of medicine.
Now, it’s very hard for a doctor to be in solo practice. Not like when we were kids or young adults. I well remember the hole in the wall general practitioner who gave a cup of candy and a Niacin/B12 shot to folks with bad colds – called it his hot shot. Those old doctors are a thing of the past. Great memories of those old guys though.
Perfect insight right there
OMG…you hit it exactly, Daughn! I’m laughing, laughing! I had to deal with these by the hundreds for 20 years. And, yes the surgeons were the very worse…Demi-gods who thought they could get away with anything…especially sexual harassment back when I was new to the game. I was the first female executive in my hospital and they didn’t like that one bit!
Until sometime in the 90’s, a doctor could be “run out of town” for malpractice and go to another state to work and there was no way to report him…no centralized records. It took a lot of effort to get that passed.
Always exceptions, of course, as in any group and one of my closest counterparts, President of the medical staff and a great general surgeon (who happened to remove my gallbladder), was a gem and a pleasure to work with.
. But, in addition to the late bill paying, etc. they rarely supported any fund-raising efforts done by the board or auxiliaries to buy the latest equipment for them which they used free without contributing one penny. And, were absolute cowards about getting their own medical needs done (worse dental hygiene I ever saw!),
And here I married One of Them! LOL (not on hospital staff, though)
PS…and yes, they do expect everyone to go around cleaning up after them…even if they are retired 😉
Welcome Dr. Cuddy!
Surgeons are generally high functioning sociopaths. In the job. Cutting into people. Taking their lives in their hands.
Have I got a book for you! 🙂
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/401876.The_House_of_God
OK GUYS HA HA HA . . . REAL FUNNY . . .
YOU DON’T HAVE TO SOCIAL DISTANCE ON WORDPRESS
YOU CAN COME BACK NOW!
The couch commando is being a pr!ck, and will not put on national broadcasts. Imagine a combination of Robert Shaw and Richard Dreyfus from JAWS.
And my parents wonder why my sister and I aren’t married.
Show him the potato peeler
He wouldn’t know what to do with one. Mom turned him and the other men in house into Spanish males.
Oh. We call them couch potato’s so it was like a threat
MIL sent us homemade cloth masks with elastic to go over our ears. So sweet!
Made 2 each and in patterns/materials unique to each of us – western pattern/cowboys for our son, flowers for me, and plain blue one and a red/white/blue one for husband.
sweet!
Next, we’ll see actual N-95 masks in various colors, hot pink, teal, etc.
And patterns…
Spoken with piggy in a while
Asking if the FLOTUS is clean. These prople!!!!
Its about US not me. Love POTUS
AND we’re out.
He looks tired
Yes, he keeps on going, like he’s going to war.
Interesting to see President Trump joke around with Dr. about her temp over the weekend.
Interesting to hear President Trump asks her about long term social distancing, wondering if the press room will ever be stuffed full again, partly asked tongue in check. But she, like he, mentioned that we may be making long term, permanent cultural changes such as shaking hands, increasing hygiene, being more aware of what we touch in public, touching our faces, etc.
USA mortality rate will increase.
Doc wants us to live her way in her antiseptic world.
I want to hug people again.
Don’t worry we will!
Yes, it really hurts my heart that I can’t go pop in and see my 89 year old mother. Or that she can’t hug her grandkids and great grandkids. This is really asking a lot of people.
Here
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=gif+monkeys+hugging&client=safari&hl=en-au&sxsrf=ALeKk02pgXJ28A2p_FbV72slYNi2cr2-EQ:1585018241540&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=M806v3jG8iyCmM%253A%252COYkehK-aC_GCZM%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kRQkBF-eAuPbjo3nht7pvqCiEAMWQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiKkP-JjbLoAhVS73MBHXeOD9QQ9QEwAHoECAoQDg#imgrc=M806v3jG8iyCmM:
https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Ftenor.com%2Fsearch%2Fmonkey-hug-gifs&psig=AOvVaw3gzyF7iqVksZuheySMASS0&ust=1585104671894000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCOjGm5mNsugCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD
THIS is new – Expanded Travel Restrictions or Guidelines.
This version of the President’s Guidelines was posted today as well:
https://twitter.com/HHSGov/status/1242112992357089284/photo/1
It would be helpful — as is always the case — if the people issuing guidelines explained WHY to the most obvious questions.
Not only because it would actually help with compliance, but… because it would actually HELP with compliance.
Because many people won’t follow guidelines that either don’t make any sense, or worse, appear to be issued by people who are hiding something.
Avoid social gatherings of 10+ people
Why avoid 10+ people? If any one of the other 8 people allowed to be around you have China virus, what harm is the 10th one going to do?
How many infected people does it take in order to transmit the China virus? If the answer is ONE, then why is it okay for ten times that many people to assemble together, but NOT okay for eleven times that many?
Is ‘ten’ just an arbitrarily chosen number?
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Practice good hygiene
What good is it to tell people to practice “good hygiene”, when lots of people have no clear understanding of what ‘good hygiene’ even means? If you want people wash their hands for at least 20 seconds before rinsing in hot water, then say that. If you want people to wash their hands after using the bathroom, then you better SAY that — and explain why.
Because just one person who doesn’t know any better could infect thousands (indirectly), so write the guidelines with those people in mind.
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use drive-thru, pick-up or food delivery options
Apparently you can have China virus for up to 4 days without showing symptoms. If two trains are heading towards each other, and one train is going 75mph and the other train is going 50mph, how many thousands of people could one McDonald’s employee infect in 4 days?
If ordering delivery, where someone with China virus actually brings the virus to your home, should they at least ask “You want China virus fries with that?” when you place your order?
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Do not visit nursing homes…
Tell people WHY, or many of them won’t listen. Explain that people in nursing homes are much more likely to die from exposure to China virus, so if you don’t want Mom, Dad, Grandma or Grandpa to get sick, STAY AWAY from the nursing home!
Yes I got it from the treehouse….But DAMN those democrats is DC are past sick
Damn look at what Democrats want in bill before they will approve it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v56tKHKlvE&feature=emb_logo
This is probably better
https://youtu.be/9v56tKHKlvE
Please stay the fuck home. This is what can happen to you if you get this.
All you have to do is sit on your ass and watch some Netflix to help save people’s lives. If you can’t do that you are an asshole.
Let me me explain what can happen to you.
First you won’t know you’re sick. So you’ll pass it on to everyone you love and know.
Then you’ll get ill and spend a week at home struggling to get better with what you think is allergies or the flu. If you don’t self isolate here you will infect more people.
After you realize it’s hard to breathe you will go to the hospital and have to be alone. No visitation allowed in the hospitals during a pandemic.
Your age doesn’t matter. A 13 year old girl died today
50% of all people hospitalized in the US are under 50.
You’ll wait for what will seem like forever to even get treatment or a bed. You may even be sitting on the hospital floor while your struggling to cling on to your life. source
Your lungs will start filling up with fluid and you will start to feel like you are drowning. You will fight the doctors and nurses as they try to intubate you.
If you’re lucky you’ll have a ventilator but if you have a prexisting condition or are over 65 you may only get comfort care until you die. If you get any care at all while doctors and nurses are stretched so thin.
If you’re healthy you may be taking a ventilator from someone’s mom, dad or grandma because you have a better chance of surviving.
While you lay dying if by the grace of god you’re medicated you’ll have no idea your going to die. No family member to hold your hand. No last goodbye.
And just about the time you start to die your family and friends who you were exposed to get sick possibly and end up where you are, dead.
All because your dumb ass didn’t stay home and watch Netflix.
IF you survive you could have permanent lung damage and a 70-100% chance of immediate cognitive decline that can persist longer than 5 years which means you won’t be fully you anymore. 1/5 people will still have cognitive defects 5 years post recovery. You may not be able to work or function as you normally do. That’s IF you make it.
This is what happens to the people who survive after getting ARDS which is what’s killing people so rapidly with this. read about ARDS here There are tons of articles to back up what I’ve said here. here is one explaining what it’s like from the perspective of the hospital worker
This isn’t the flu. This isn’t something to be taken lightly. Share this with whoever you want. And for fuck sakes #staythefuckhome
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This crisis is the Superbowl of virtue signalling and moral policing.
For the first time in history we can save the human race by sitting on the couch watching tv.
Let’s not fuck it up
Missed it. What happened with bill barr?
DOJ will go after folks hoarding or gouging prices on masks…
Good, good. Scary having him after you
What if you’re just hoarding stuff that nobody needs — ever?
Could they go after those people to?
Because I know a few hoarders who need an intervention 😁
I do too. Once the CoronaVirus toilet paper hoarders are sorted imma thinking I could name names
“DOJ will go after folks hoarding or gouging prices on masks…”
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But STILL won’t go after all the corrupt people at the DOJ.
You have to admit, it’s quite clever of them to hide out AT the Dept. of Justice.
Barr will never think to look for them there… 😁
China ‘didn’t report 43,000 silent carriers’
#Asia#China#Coronavirus
16 hours ago
A Hong Kong newspaper says China’s government excluded from its statistics about one-third of people who tested positive for the new coronavirus but showed no symptoms.
The South China Morning Post reported on Monday that classified government data it obtained show that more than 43,000 so-called silent carriers were not counted in the number of confirmed cases by the end of February.
China reported around 79,000 confirmed cases as of the end of last month.
The paper said that when silent carriers are taken into account, the number of infected people on the mainland exceeds 120,000.
Chinese health authorities said on February 14 that people who were infected but showed no symptoms would be quarantined and monitored for two weeks, but not counted as coronavirus patients.
The authorities also said they would not disclose the number of silent carriers in the country.
*https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200323_37/
I wonder . . . if you are WuFlu positive but asymptomatic, how long will you remain able to shed the virus and infect other people? Naturally, I suspect this would vary from person to person.
100% rate for 350 patients
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/stunning-ny-doctor-vladimir-zelenko-finds-100-success-rate-in-350-patients-using-hydroxychloroquine-with-z-paks-video/
As a disease modeler, I disagree that the US’s curve looks like Italy’s.
It looks much worse.
Italy: sub-exponential growth due to containment measures
US: unmitigated exponential growth
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETq6-TQWsAESUKB?format=png
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As you know there are other people here claiming to be in the biz who disagree with you and maintain this has been here a lot longer.
At some point we’ll see who was right, but personally I think we’ve been testing seriously ill for long enough to know what’s happening, and it’s GRIM.
Steve remember, there are DAILY direct flights form Wuhan to NYC by Chinese airlines. That means during November, December and January you had 140 possible carriers a DAY dumped in NYC.
Look at what that ONE Super spreader at the Biogen conference Feb. 26-27 with 175 people did.
“..that meeting is now linked to a vast majority of the state’s 164 COVID-19 cases, state health officials said….” link
That does not include the five cases of attendees here in NC.
In NC the cluster are around Research Triangle Park and Charlotte the #1 growing Tech center.
How many of those Techies are CHINESE? Both Raleigh & Charlotte have double or triple the Chinese population compared to the rest of the state.
So how many super spreaders were in big conferences in NYC? How many frequented restaurants, bars, theaters…
How many live in apartments with shared bathroom fan vents or shared HVAC systems? How many offices have crappy HVAC systems that recirculate germs?
NYT — February 07, 2020
February 17, 2019
So Yes the Chinese Crud was here and killing people back in February. Remember they DO NOT TEST EVERYONE who comes in with the ‘flu’
Then how to explain zero deaths for a week when they DID start testing? Did it say “ooh, they’re looking for me I’d better run and hide? Then start killing people again to show an exponential curve?”
I’m sorry but that’s absurd.
Steve WHO did they test AND Who did the testing?
The CDC! ACCORDING TO THEIR GUIDELINES!
Best description I have seen of the testing fiasco and the CDC Bureaucrats:
This is from a MONTH AGO:
Friday, February 21, 2020 CDC BRIEFING BY NANCY MESSONNIER
You have missed my point, perfectly.
I have said nothing–NOTHING–about asymptomatic cases. It simply doesn’t matter how many asymptomatic people have or have not been tested because it has nothing to do with the argument I am making. I’m talking about people known to have DIED from Coronavirus.
That has shown an exponential curve SINCE WE STARTED TESTING.
If Coronavirus were already around en masse before testing, it would have been causing significant numbers of deaths BEFORE we started testing, too. If that were the case, what should we have seen when we did start testing hospital patients who were dying? We should have seen that trend continuing into the period where we DID test. And yet we do not. We see NO deaths for about a week going into March…MARCH!! Then people started dying of it.
There’s no way to explain that based on the supposition that coronavirus was widespread yet unknown long enough ago to have been killing people all along. Therefore that supposition is nonsense.
Testing roll-out was very clunky Steve. We can’t compare early testing numbers to later numbers due to the increase in number of cities/states over time of deployment. How does that figure into your (totally reasonable) skepticism. Seems that bad/incomplete data is removing the certainty of any math applied.
Well, I’m only going back to March 1.
People seem to miss that and think I’m talking about January.
Gail’s chart below could be useful. 🙂
Do you recall when they changed the guidelines for who to test? For quite a while the criteria was travel and known exposure specific. Until that was changed, the only reported deaths would be a subset of all deaths, correct?
Yes, and the criteria got changed Feb 27.
A dive into Nancy Messonnier:
BACKGROUND
Because the Senior Executive Service has special privileges above and beyond that of regular federal employees, some think it is the core of the ‘Deep State.’ Obama appointed over 7,000 of the 8,156 federal employees in the Senior Executive Service. Most of these appointees do not arise from inside the respective agencies through a merit system and there are many more SES appointees than any other type of political appointment. WORSE unlike other political appointees once hired they can not be fired. This means the MANAGERS of the Trump Administration are actually Obama appointees. For example McCabe, the former deputy director of the FBI is SES.
December 15, 2015
STRENGTHENING THE SENIOR EXECUTIVE SERVICE
*https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2015/12/15/executive-order-strengthening-senior-executive-service
This is an article on the SES:
*https://www.thenewamerican.com/print-magazine/item/29089-they-decide-what-government-does
This is a conspiracy site but it shows the actual documents if you want to know more about the SES:
*http://themillenniumreport.com/2018/03/shadow-government-exposed-underbelly-is-spelled-senior-executive-service/
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NANCY MESSONNIER
She is head of the National Center for IMMUNIZATION and Respiratory Diseases
She is likely a Senior Exec or equivalent (SES is NOT disclosed to the public)
The CDC is one of the major operating components of the Department of Health and Human Services. The head of the Department of Health and Human Services is appointed and confirmed by the Senate.
The CDC Director, is appointed by the president and does not require Senate approval.
As of 2015, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had 10,796 employees. 29 are Senior Executive Service.
*https://www.federalpay.org/employees/centers-for-disease-control-and-preventn
CDC organization:
*https://www.cdc.gov/about/organization/cio.htm
And what do you know, there are 29 heads plus the appointed CDC Director in the organizational chart. So the likelihood of Nancy Messonnier and the rest being Senior Executive Service is close to 100%.
Is the CDC union?? Well Health and Human Services is.
AFGE Local 1923, is the largest federal union in the country “…representing approximately 30,000 employees nationwide that are employed in the Social Security Administration, Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (formally HCFA), Veterans Affairs, Department of Defense, and the National Mediation Board….” (So the Mediation Board is unionized too.)
*https://www.afge.org/about-us/agencies/HHS/
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”…She served as Deputy Director of NCIRD from October 2014-March 2016…”
*https://www.cdc.gov/about/leadership/leaders/ncird.html
This disease whether released by accident or on purpose SERVES THE NEEDS of the DNC and the Chinese Communist party.
If you do not think that the OBAMA HOLDOVERS RUNNING the CDC would doctor the data, I refer you to the Russia Russia Russia mess, the Hillary e-mail cover-up….
If you’re simply going to reject data a priori, there’s no sense in having any sort of conversation with you. You’ve declared all evidence to be worthless.
I might as well be having an argument with a flat earther, at that point.
No Steve, I am saying IF YOU DO NOT LOOK then YOU DO NOT FIND!
Read this again from FEBRUARY:
“…there is evidence a more severe strain of the influenza virus is causing a growing percentage of illnesses….
There have been 11,600 to 19,100 deaths so far.
“The number of deaths we’re seeing is a little bit surprising,” CDC epidemiologist Brendan Flannery told the Wall Street Journal.….”
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The deaths were seen BUT not attributed to China virus.
Remember ONLY those who are Tested and CONFIRMED are COUNTED.
— CDC has run just 426 tests from Jan 21 to Feb 24
— BUT 746 people in Washington state who were under supervision for coronavirus are now released as ‘cleared’
When no symptoms can show for as long as 21 to 27 days??
Using defective test kits????
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Transmission of 2019-nCoV Infection from an Asymptomatic Contact in Germany
Wuhan Virus Asymptomatic cases
Asymptomatic cases in a family cluster with SARS-CoV-2 infection
*https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30114-6/fulltext
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Presumed Asymptomatic Carrier Transmission of COVID-19
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762028
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Here are the known cases in North Carolina from March 3rd to March 14th and the dates on which they were announced:
• #1: March 3: A patient from Wake County who traveled to Kirkland, Wash., and was likely exposed to the virus during a visit to a long-term care facility there, the site of an outbreak.
• #2: March 6: A Chatham County patient who traveled to Italy, where there was a COVID-19 outbreak,
• #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, March 9: Five employees at Biogen’s Research Triangle Park facility. Company employees attended a conference in Boston in late February, where an outbreak occurred.
• #8: March 11: Another Biogen employee who attended the Boston conference.
• #9: March 11: A Durham patient who tested positive in another state and stayed there to recuperate.
• #10: March 12: A Wake County patient who had contact with the Biogen visitor from Indiana.
• #11: March 12: A person tested positive for the virus in Mecklenburg County.
• #12: March 12: A Cabarrus County patient tested positive after international travel.
• #13, #14: March 12: A Forsyth County couple tested positive after traveling on a cruise where an outbreak was reported.
• #15: March 12: A Johnston County resident tested positive after traveling and falling ill.
• #16: March 12: A dependent of a Marine living on base at Camp Lejeune, outside Jacksonville, tested positive after having contact with a person outside the area who had COVID-19.
• #17: March 13: A Wayne County resident tested positive for the virus.
• #18: March 13: Wake County announces another case from the Biogen cluster.
• #19: March 13: A Harnett County resident tests positive at an outpatient facility, Cape Fear Valley Health reports.
• #20: March 14: A Brunswick County resident tests positive, county officials said.
• #21: March 14: A Craven County resident who traveled overseas tested positive. He is isolated at home, local health officials say.
• Details about cases #22 and #23 are not yet known. They are believed to be Wake County cases announced by the DHHS on March 14. Wake County on the same day announced that a teacher at Fuquay-Varina Elementary School tested positive.
• #24: March 14: A Mecklenburg County resident who traveled to the United Kingdom tested positive, health officials say.
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TEST AND YE SHALL FIND!
Steve, on the subject of rejecting data, I used three years of CDC BEFORE the implementation of HACCP and three years AFTER the implementation showing that the incidence of Food poisoning had CONSISTENTLY DOUBLED after testing was handed over to the corporations. That data was handed to a group that presented it to Congress. The CDC in those congressional hearings then LIED THEIR ASSES OFF ABOUT THEIR OWN DATA!
As a result of those lies, children died nasty horrible deaths!
SHIELDING THE GIANT:
USDA’s “Don’t Look, Don’t Know” Policy for Beef Inspection
The 2017-2018 flu season was the worse season in over a decade. Look at this season and the major spike around week 6, two weeks or so after President Trump shutdown travel from China. And notice another spike in week 11.
Week 8 ~ February 24th (Thanks Jo Nova) “Italy now has 134 cases. Two days ago it thought it had only 3. 26 people have been hospitalized.” And we know that a week after that Biogen imported the disease to their conference.
Looking at the curves it looks like President Trump’s travel restrictions may have worked. And yeah that is a Silly Wild Ass guess.
Feb 29, 2020 — “The Trump administration is urging Americans to avoid travel to parts of Italy and South Korea.”
And while we are on the subject of Eyes WIDE SHUT!
The people most likely to die are the ones most likely to NOT have an autopsy.
Steep Decline in Autopsy Rate Since 1970s
Over the Past 35 Years, Far Fewer Autopsies Done on People Who Died of Disease
Gail, that first spike on the graph coincides with Qtree and local reports of severe respiratory illness around Christmas time.
I left that one out because of the typical holiday season disease spread. Thanksgiving to Christmas to New Years there is a LOT of travel.
Now it looks like Dr Birx is saying that the Christmas spike may have been partly the China Flu.