For the time being, given our national emergency, we are switching to DAILY COVID-19/China Virus threads instead of weekly threads. Your comments and updates are most welcome. PLEASE continue to post your valuable information, hard source links, and local observations within these Daily Threads. Additionally, we will try to include links to government and official pressers, so those who no longer have cable can remain informed.
We’ll get through this crisis, together. As a group, there is probably no one better prepared than we are.
For our newcomers: The Q Tree community has been diligent in covering the threat of Coronavirus, COVID19, Wuhan FLU. We started accumulating information about this virus in mid-late January, in what became almost weekly threads. We’ve been weeks, if not months, ahead of MSM outlets to vet rumors and other medical papers, etc.
Primary Update Links:
- Links to the USA CoronaVirus Task Force: http://coronavirus.gov/
- Johns Hopkins CSSE Dashboard to update number of “official” cases within China and worldwide: https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
- Another summary of data, updates and sources: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
- Hard Link to the World Health Organization: https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019
- Hard Link to the Center for Disease Control: CDC Updates: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/index.html
In our past weekly threads, we assembled information on the following:
- Primary update links. The dashboard from Johns Hopkins which counts “official” cases all over the world, the CDC, and WHO, and includes the links for our past threads.
- Hard Data Medical Information- Explanation about testing, reliance on China for drugs, analysis of NE Journal of Medicine results and other published papers.
- Vaccine and theraputics (new/old drugs to alleviate symptoms) news and updates
- Trump Administration response (the timeline and links to various agencies)
- China Responses, timelines, research, attempt to cover actions, or secrecy in results discovered.
- An aggregate of info/responses from other countries, listed by country.
- Economic impact from around the world. A change in economic activity will indicate a “return to normal”.
- Speculation/debunking on how the virus started
- Media Bias, political response, and debunking section, like the article from AP News, overt bias from Politico, inflammatory headlines, etc.
- Other medical info to boost immune system, herbal remedies, ways to keep your house clean and NOT spread the virus to others. Excellent information to incorporate into daily lifestyle.
- Hard links for OTHER valuable sources/blogs and a brief sentence or two about what they provide
- Other news items
Our weekly updates. timelines, collection of valuable information, can be found here:
- January 25th, Our first thread: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/01/25/20200125-coronavirus/
- January 27th, Our second thread: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/01/27/20200127-coronavirus-update-thread/
- February 1st-9th, Our third thread: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/02/01/20200201-coronavirus-update-thread-3/
- February 10th – 18th, Our Fourth Thread: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/02/10/20200210th-19th-coronavirus-thread/
- February 19-29th: Our Fifth Thread: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/02/18/20200218th-29th-coronavirus-update-thread/
- March 1-10th, Our Sixth Thread: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/03/01/2020-march1st-7th-coronavirus-covid19-xivirus-wuflu-6th-update-thread/
- March 9-16th, Our Seventh Thread: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/03/09/2020-march-9th-16th-coronavirus-covid19-xivirus-wuflu-7th-weekly-update-thread/
Please try to keep your sense of humor during this National Emergency, and remember, patience is a virtue.
Love to all!
The meme above is a good one to keep when the media starts howling.
Maybe we should invest in bubble wrap. Wrap oneself up before gong out? Or those plastic zorb things. Bumper zorbs?
You joke, Kea, but I saw several photos of people in China literally doing that!
My favorite, a woman (?) encased in a huge black trash bag with an opened umbrella inside of it standing in line in a bank.
Saw lots of creative, clear deep-sea diver-type helmets made from large containers with the bottom cut off and the person just fitting it over their entire heads. If, in fact, you can become infected through the eyes (??) as some suggested …rather clever.
Any mucus membrane but the eyes are easy. Someones sneeze travels and your eyes get droplets.
Maybe we should get motor cycle helmets with the face guard? 🙂
School chem lab goggles git snug not tight and a face mask that snugly fits over nose and just under chin.
Anyone who wears a mask but pulls it diwn under their nose is an idiot. Just dont wear one then.
I do recommend glasses for airborne protection – even a pair of safety glasses. And eyedrops throughout the day to cleanse eyes. Great for pollen season but also virus. We tend to underestimate that our eyes are a fluid receptor, as well as we touch them more often than we realize.
Whoops…meant to link to Candace instead:
Yes Katie Hopkins just posted about this as well
https://twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/1246159519358558212
Fraud and will not allow for proper disease study or input into models. Coroners should take bloood and tissue samples from everyone, even if they havent proven disease yet. Its the doctors and coroners who determine death certificate. We will go back and go after those committing fraud.
Anything can be covered up by the doctor and hospital. My mom died from a bacterial infection on her lungs. She needed antibiotics.
The doctor waited until he grew a damn culture. Other doctors protested saying she had something on her lungs. When the pulmonary guy, whom I didn’t authorize to be called in, finally phoned me via the floor nurse in ICU, all excited that their fing culture showed pseudomonus, she was nearly dead. They put her on a ventilator and IV drips. She died the next night. Cause of death on her death certificate said heart failure.
Did you sue?
Lawyers live for that kind of lawsuit.
No. Our extended family was going through heart crushing stuff at time besides the death of our mother.
I am so sorry.
May the Lord continue to comfort you and all those that endured this injustice.
The really sad part is that my mom wanted to go to the nursing home because she thought she might be able to have more human interaction with people her own age, plus she really could no longer take care of herself. She was there three months and got pseudomonas which is easily cured by antibiotics.
My friend who was a nurse at another hospital told me that they immediately put people on antibiotics when elderly are brought in from nursing homes with her symptoms. This unfortunately was after my mom died.
Yes, many times our hindsight adds to the anguish of what was an unnecessary premature loss of a loved one. Many times I find it hardest to forgive institutional sins. But harboring the unforgiveness will only hurt me.
I learned after my dad died when Iwas 10 that I had to forgive the doctor for letting my dad out of the hospital with a fever. He died two days later. Later in life I learned that a fever often accompanies a blood clot. He died of a blood clot to his lung.
Then I learned to forgive when my father-in law died of pneumonia after surgery. Then my mother-in- law died from an infection after bowel resectioning…she was fed broiled chicken…not jello or other soft foods…broiled chicken which blew a hole in her newly resectioned bowel. We have had a lot of practice in forgiveness. If I get past this cancer, I know it is God’s doing, in spite of the medicals.
“Jesus wept.”
The verse that allows me to fall into His arms and let him hold me in my pain.
Sometimes I see myself falling asleep or just being held in the palm of God’s enormous loving hand.
<3
Thats awful. Im sorry for you and her.
Thank you Gil00. After 20 years I still miss her.
I’m so sorry for your loss & the brutal & insensitive way your mother & family were treated. God comfort & keep you in His perfect peace that passes understanding…
Thank you Valerie. It probably is standard treatment, but only a smidgeon of people realize it.
That’s so sad but truer than I want to believe. We’ve been blessed (for the most part) in the medical arena w/ our special needs son…but special educational malpractice…well that’s a completely different tale. Thankfully God is so gracious & merciful to intervene in our son’s life & bring him so much further along than Any “experts” could ask or imagine!
When my great nephew was born w Down Syndrome the docs immediately told my nephew that his son would never be able to do anything to take care of himself and he may never be able to even walk.
He 14, a good swimmer, plays soccer is mainstreamed in school even though he cannot read. He is a willing helper as long as he has instruction and is a really loving, caring young man.
Wonderful! I’ve always said that the Only One who knows what my son is capable of is God himself…so all “experts” are taken with a salt mine! Sounds like your nephew is doing well. What a Blessing!
So true Valerie. Caring for a special needs child is anything but easy. God bless you and yours with an abundance of help, joys and love only God can bestow.
Thanks so much, Jane. & may the Lord be with you in His loving, healing, joyful, & peaceful Presence. In spite of all the challenges you’ve faced before &/or are still facing I pray that you can find joy in the journey & continue to be a Light shining into whatever darkness you encounter…overcoming evil, death, & despair with His Love, Power, Peace, & Joy!
http://www.joypsalms.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Inspirational-Psalm-Bible-Verse1.jpg
I hope these bible verses will encourage you 🙂 Blessings!
Thank you Valerie. They are beautiful and truth. Even though I gripe about some things, I always know in my heart, soul and mind that God has everything in His Hands.
Amen! We who have been through stuff Know that we are not in control of what swirls about us. Thank the Lord that we can trust Him. “Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him”…
Amen. That slaying part is purification. We are not able to know, love, see Him completely until we are like Him in love.
& that process is completed on the other side of the veil where we can see Him face-to-face & not have our view distorted by our sin nature! “For me to live is Christ & to die is gain!” (not that I’ve personally arrived at Really understanding that passage, just recognize that it is Truth!)
Amen.
Candace mulling over whether to run for office:
I hope she does. I know sometimes it’s better from the outside BUT we need new people in power kicking a$$
Strong, vocal, intelligent, articulate, young, conservative, drop-dead gorgeous black woman representing conservative America in Congress??
Be still my heart! 🥰😍
Wouldn’t be allowed in the Black Caucus…I seem to recall Col Alan West wasn’t because he wasn’t “one of them.” Criteria seems to be anti-America and dumb as a door nob.
The BC needs to be disbanded
Or at least change name to brown and black caucus so AOC can join. 😜
You bet we do, kea!
All best wishes to you and yours, especially during this precarious time.
You as well!! 🙂
Thank you! 🙂
Well ain’t that speshul.
“I’ve spoken to nurses at dozens of hospitals who have told me they are classifying every death they can as coronavirus in order to get more funding from the government.
They both told me that their hospitals started doing it after learning that others were.”
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Is everyone corrupt?
Is being a corrupt person just the “norm” after 8 years of Hussein?
What’s wrong with these nurses?
They just do it because they heard everybody else is doing it?
If they hear that somebody hooked a car battery up to their nipples, are they going to do that too?
WTH?
I’m sure a lot of them are doing as they’re told.
“I’m sure a lot of them are doing as they’re told.”
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Well that’s always the excuse, isn’t it?
I knew it was wrong, obviously, but don’t blame me, I was just doing what I was told!
How did that work out for the Nazis?
Following unlawful orders is not a defense.
It’s not a defense. Definitely not.
But it is human nature… they’re in the middle of a mess, working long and hard hours, and they’re all frazzled… talking B.S. at the end of their shifts… turning around and doing it over again… what should I code this as? Just code it this way… but what if it’s not that? Doesn’t really matter, blah blah blah, rationalization justification, just code it that way… tired, frazzled, and lacking the rest that is needed for maximum executive function and self-regulation… give up, short cut and code it the easy way.
Then they exist in a CULTURE of CORRUPTION, and that culture only exists because the leadership has either fostered it by example or tolerated it.
It’s exactly what happens when no one is ever held accountable, for anything.
C O R R U P T I O N.
That’s what happened with the ACA and loss of hospital’s and when we put priorities on making $$$ at said hospital’s.
Scott THE DOCTOR is the one to make the decision not the nurse. All she does is write what he dictates.
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A friend was a nurse. A patient died because the doctor left gauze called a sponge in the incision. She KNEW he had, called him on it at the time and was shutdown. After the patient died she went to the hospital board about it AND THEY FIRED HER!
The ONLY options for the peons are GET FIRED OR QUIT! This by the way is WHY they want to shutdown small business. They want to make sure rebellion = a death sentence.
BTDT as a QC engineer and got blackballed!
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At least with the internet the nurses can now be whistleblowers without getting fired or quitting at a time they are very much needed. Also if there is a LOT of clammer about this on the internet you can be sure President Trump is hearing it.
We need more Brietbarts and O’Keefes.
Case in point of one of the red light, main problems with the medical profession. Reviews. Note they NEVER tell you not to go to so and so or to this hospital or that. They just give vague “I like that place” statements.
Seriously, when the whiny one was in college, he had to come home for a hernia repair. A pretty serious one. The family internist sent him to a Dr. F who fixed it fairly quickly and sent him back to school. (The repair is still good over 20 years later.) A bit later in the school year, a friend of his at school had the same issue, and just by-passed the crap and saw Dr. F. His girlfriend, who’s dad was a physician, had a cow. No, you need to talk to my dad! Her sad very calmly said, Dr. F is fine.
That’s as much of an endorsement as you’re going to get out of physicians.
“A friend was a nurse. A patient died because the doctor left gauze called a sponge in the incision. She KNEW he had, called him on it at the time and was shutdown. After the patient died she went to the hospital board about it AND THEY FIRED HER!”
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Did she sue the Doctor personally and the hospital for wrongful termination, with damages, for a bazillion dollars?
Does the doctor OR the Hospital thing a jury is going to be sympathetic toward the arrogant doctor who killed a patient and then fired the only person who spoke up on behalf of the dead — the dead person who could just as easily have been any member of the jury?
The question is was she working in a “right to work” state?
If so, she could be fired without cause.
“The question is was she working in a “right to work” state?
If so, she could be fired without cause.”
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If she is fired for doing what is right, for doing her job and doing it well, there has to be legal recourse.
If your boss kills someone through negligence, and you go to his boss in order to prevent him from killing anyone else, and his boss fires you, then I can only IMAGINE the liability your boss’s boss just exposed himself and the company to.
Right to work, or not.
At some *&^%ing point in this world, doing what’s RIGHT has to outweigh all the carefully crafted bullshit CYA rules which the corrupt have established to protect themselves.
But it seems like most people just go along with it. I understand why, but that doesn’t make it right.
When I was growing up, it seems like there were a whole lot more people who did what was right, that doing what was right actually counted for something, as opposed to playing the system and covering your ass.
If everybody plays the system and covers their ass, where does that eventually lead?
Take a look around.
Scott,
It’s hard to argue against a doctor or doctors in front of a jury.
-Juries are selected at random. They are full of people who have been taught from birth to respect doctors without question, and to regard them all as geniuses.
-Many of the jurors are not geniuses themselves. They’ve never thought it through that someone can be a genius in making one decision, then blow the next decision. Smart people realize this intuitively, since they can introspect, and recall times that they themselves have made dumb mistakes.
-Many people don’t like to think about doctors making mistakes. It’s too painful. “These lawyers are saying this doctor made a medical mistake. But that can’t be, can it? What if one day I’m lying on a gurney, depending on a doctor’s knowledge, and that doctor makes a mistake while treating me? I could lose a leg, or lose my eyesight, or even my life. And that’s too painful to think about. So I won’t think about it.” And many people take the Kantian position that, if they don’t think about something, it effectively doesn’t exist. I’m not saying everyone is like this, just enough that any jury of 6 or 12 is likely to contain a recalcitrant one or more.
-Look at the destruction of the general aviation industry in the mid- to late-20th century. That happened because many of the amateur pilots who could afford to buy private planes back then were doctors, and some of them died in crashes that happened because of stupid, or not so stupid, mistakes they made in the air. Now imagine a juror in a civil trial of a doctor’s family suing a plane manufacturer for selling a faulty product. “This company and its lawyers are accusing a DOCTOR, for God’s sake, of making a mistake. And that can’t be true, can it? Doctors are too smart to do something dumb like that. So these guys must have cut corners to save money when building the plane, and now they’re lying to save their own butts.”
My 2¢.
Her lawyer would have to be able to prove why she was fired and the defendant(s) were lying if they said she was fired for whatever other reason they chose.
Very difficult, esp. in a case like this.
“Her lawyer would have to be able to prove why she was fired and the defendant(s) were lying if they said she was fired for whatever other reason they chose.
Very difficult, esp. in a case like this.”
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Doctor has deep pockets and so does his malpractice insurance company.
Hospital has even deeper pockets.
Attorneys love targets with deep pockets.
Chances are this nurse isn’t the only nurse who has been fired for essentially being a ‘whistle-blower’ on dangerous doctors who may routinely put patients’ lives at risk. And if so, chances are about 100% that the other nurses know exactly who has been fired for bringing dangerous practices to the attention of the board.
Find out who they are, make them part of a class-action suit, get their testimony on record, and then subpoena the entire board to get their testimony under oath. Blow the whole putrid thing up.
Assuming the nurse has an exemplary work record, she reports to the board that her boss killed a patient, and she’s fired. Straight line progression that any jury could see.
Why is it that nobody wants to even TRY?!?
Why does everyone come up with ten different reasons to QUIT before ever getting started?
I don’t mean in this specifically, but it seems like in EVERYTHING.
Why is “can’t” the number one word for so many people in a particular age group?
What the hell HAPPENED to people?
The relentless CAN’T DO attitude is a spirit-crushing example for the younger generations to follow.
Doctors and in some states, Nurse Practitioners, sign the death certificates and cause of death, NOT Nurses.
Doctors and in some states, Nurse Practitioners, sign the death certificates and cause of death, NOT Nurses.
Most people aren’t aware that this is how tobacco death statistics are calculated. If you have ever smoked a single cigarette in your life, they will claim your death as “smoking related” whether it had anything to do with tobacco use or not. Smoked a cigarette when you were a teen, and then die from a heart attack at 100 years-old? Officially, you died from smoking. The death statistics have been juked for decades.
They did the same with asbestos. Smoking PLUS asbestos = health problems. If you don’t smoke and the lung can clear itself of particles, then no problem.
Killing asbestos made a LOT OF MONEY for certain companies (Think condemned schools) AND CAUSED a lot of problems for others.
Semi-truck brakes catching on fire, no really good fire proof material for lab hoods….
Gail, an attorney friend and his son and daughter, also attorneys , Became very, very wealthy becoming asbestos “experts” in the early days and suing the heck out of every one they could…then consulting with others across the country to do the same. They were in Philadelphia and you know how much asbestos was there!
Still social friends through it but the vulture attitude was a huge turnoff for us.
Karma often has a way of leveling the field, though…all three had subsequent, serious issues.
Or no asbestos to delay the steel girders of the upper floors of the World Trade Center towers from losing strength from the heat of a fire. (The buildings were being constructed when the ban went into effect. So the lower floors’ girders were protected with asbestos, as designed. But the upper floors were only protected with an inferior substitute.)
This had ramifications on 9/11/2001.
& that space shuttle, Columbia iirc, that exploded/broke apart on re-entry because of faulty (PC) heat shielding in the tiles…
Or, the case anesthesiologists …unless it’s changed ( and it should!)…any death following surgery is automatically deemed an anesthesiology death…even if the patient bleeds out on the table, has a heart attack, etc. etc.
that’s why their malpractice insurance for that specialty is astronomical. Could have changed by now because grossly unfair and I hope saner heads have stepped in.
Similar situation with pediatric physicians being accountable (meaning can be sued) up to 18 years for medication/treatment for children patients. So, if an approved shot was given at 6 months and 15 years later it was declared unsafe, parents could sue that doctor for malpractice.
With no doubt in my mind…the medical malpractice lawyers are salivating at this Coronavirus opportunity.
Did you know that small cell cancer is automatically called small cell lung cancer? Small cell can start in several places…pancreas, lung, prostrate, etc. My lungs are clear, I have cancer in my brain, liver, femur, and the neck lymph. They are calling it small cell lung cancer. Do they call it that if I do or do not smoke?
What organization and group of controllers are making hay and money off the lung cancer statistics? (Rhetorical sarc here.)
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/rodrigo-duterte-philippines-president-coronavirus-lockdown-shoot-people-dead/
“Shoot them dead”: Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte orders police and military to kill citizens who defy coronavirus lockdown
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Replying to
@DrKarlynB
My daughter lives in Bulgaria. They can only be outdoors for going to the grocery or pharmacy. No more than two people in the family and must go straight there and back or risk one year in jail. A few days ago they could walk their dogs or take kids out for exercise but no more.
The headline is clickbait and misleading. My wife is a Filipina and we listened to this yesterday. They are having problems in the north…Manila, with people causing trouble, not just disobeying the curfew. The left is whipping up the youth organizations to disobey and cause problems. In the south, the Abu Sayef muzzie trash is stealing relief supplies and keeping them for themselves or destroying them. Those are the ones he is saying needs to be shot. I agree. The media, as usual, ran with a soundbite that is completely out of context.
TMI follows.
Agree CM in TN above.
Philippines, population around 109 million. They canNOT afford to have ChiCom-19 run wild. Herd mentality I suppose some have called it. Folks are really poor. Medical crappy unless one is in the elite wealthy class. Worldometers reports ~3,100 positive ChiCom-19. Me thinks Philippine authorities really don’t know. Doubt they have sufficient accurate tests. CT scans are unheard of outside of the biggest cities, and folks need to bring cash.
Problems Duterte are addressing won’t be found in most of the Philippines.
Wife’s family ~200 miles NNW Manila. Infanta, Pangasinan. Fisherman are primary bread winners in this area.
Serious lock down. Can’t travel from city to city. Nor Barangay to Barangay. Officials, local anyway have a system for folks to get essentials at market (fish, poultry, meat, vegtables and fruit), every other day. All other businesses shut down. Strict hours.
As a helping hand, Barangay Captain distributed two kilos pork (~5 lbs) and ten kilo rice (~23 lbs) to every resident. Mayor gave away a couple chicks to every resident. Either Pangasinan Provincial (think State) government or National level, each household will receive either 5,000 pesos or 8,000 pesos ($100 / $160). A serious helping hand and, hey, it garners votes at election time 😉
Have met the local Barangay Captain and Mayor. Decent folk as best I can tell. Very popular. Also knew current Mayor’s father. He was also their Mayor, assassinated while in office about six years ago.
Navigating ChiCom-19 is, IMO incredibly difficult for the Philippines.
My in-laws in Cebu still haven’t got their relief food yet. The Fed gov. released the funds, but local gov’t is slow to get the supplies out. Wife says the DSWD would be a better way to distribute the aid than the LGU’s. To many local gov’ts on the take.
Their Barangay Captain is a do-nothing. Not very popular.
Yea, hopefully Philippine Gov assistance will be distributed as suggested. They are quite keen of receiving their 5,000 or 8,000 pesos.
My understanding, in my post above, the assistance literally came from the Barangay Captain and Mayor. Barangay dude slaughtered some pigs from his piggery. Mayor has a very large, I guess it would be a chicken ranch of sorts.
And, it is the Philippines, so some amount of crooked behavior is expected. Unfortunately common to all politicians, every where.
Not picking on you Molly, just calling out the media.
It’s true.
😁
Such a funny movie
It’s twoo! It’s twoo!
Could just as well have been Heidi Klum and Seal…
They really do think most people are jackass stupid.
And you know what?
They’re right.
Unfortunately…yes.
…Or got caught and taken to wet market 3 miles from the other lab in town, the level 2 bioweapons lab of the Wuhan University of Technology, which the recently-arrested Harvard professor was working with. At which point, the bats bit members of the rare, endangered pangolin species, which were their fellow food animals on sale in the wet market. Then these infected pangolins were purchased by shoppers in the market, taken home, cooked, and eaten, transferring the virus to humans.
See the logic?
Global plannedemic, my foot! It’s obviously a global pangolindemic!
https://twitter.com/Gingrich_of_PA/status/1246185962138415104
If they’re not following the recommendations of Didier and Zelenko, they’re SCREWED.
Yes, one would think so…
But only if something ever actually HAPPENS to the black hats, to hold them accountable.
So far, nothing ever happens, and they learn from this, and push the envelope even further.
They’re out past Orion’s Belt at this point, and there’s no sign of trouble, all systems are still ‘go’, so they’re still going.
Are you max-stocked on your cocktail? The tonic water is disappearing from grocery shelves here.
I guess I need to buy some when I go for eggs.
I have enough to get by until there is some clarity on whether “recoverees” can or should be treated. By cutting my dose of quinine and zinc I am half-way back to mouth-breathing today. Slept pretty good, but nose-breathing was about at its limits.
I’m thinking about flushing my system today (full mouth breather) and then moving back up to a new regimen of 31 mg zinc (plus too much Ca and Mg, sadly) and 1/4 tab of quinine, meaning 1 pint of tonic water. I may try to find straight zinc tabs today, but probably a futile effort. I think the kidney effects are probably due to too much Ca and Mg, but I can’t be sure it’s not the Zn or quinine.
I’m kind of giving up on a curative thing here, and hoping just to get some understanding of my condition. It’s hard to sort out the effects of hypoxia from drug side effects. I’m hoping to find a happy optimum.
Made in USA Zinc on Amazon:
I didn’t realize you were that sick!
Why not see the Doc, take the newer/simpler test, and if positive for China is asshoe virus, take the hydroxychloriquine/antibiotic combo?
It’s very unlikely that I will test positive for active virus. If I don’t have a fever and “active infection” symptoms, I won’t get that test anyway.
First step is getting antibody tested. I don’t think that is out yet.
No matter what, I’m probably going to try to get some kind of testing.
Prayers for u Wolfie.
Thanks, Jane, and back atcha!!! <3
Lovesya Wolfie.
Hi Wolf!
Question for you. Is your research in the quinine-zinc protocol also telling you that quercetin is also a zinc ionophore? I found this paper about that:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25050823
Then I found this:
“We further tested quercetin, an antioxidant flavanoid, against CQ-induced hepatoxicity and found encouraging results as quercetin was able to drastically reduce the oxidative stress and hepatotoxicity resulting at higher dosages of CQ administration. In conclusion, our study strongly suggests co administration of antioxidant flavonoid like quercetin along with CQ for antimalarial therapy. This is particularly important when CQ is administered as long-term prophylactic treatment for malaria as chronic exposure has shown to be resulting in higher dose level of drug in the body.”
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/mrt/2013/141734/
Apparently quercetin is protective against toxicity when taking chloroquine for malaria.
There are food sources of quercetin that might be helpful in buffering the effects of the quinine, including apples, onions, berries, pau d’arco and green and black teas:
https://www.verywellhealth.com/the-benefits-of-quercetin-89071
I hope this is helpful for you and others. If we are taking the quinine/zinc, we can help our bodies tolerate it better if we change our diets a bit.
Oh, excellent! Thanks for this!
NOTE TO THE FOURTH WALL:
First of all, note that CQ is not the same compound in the two papers – it’s clioquinol in the first one, and chloroquine in the second – BUT both of these substances are antiviral quinoline derivatives, and both of them are zinc ionophores used in the treatment of microbial diseases.
The first paper proves that QCT (quercetin – a different type of compound) is ALSO a zinc ionophore, and the second paper proves that it helps protect the liver from damage BY chloroquine.
This is good. It implies that I can definitely use polyphenols like QCT as booster zinc ionophores AND possibly as protectants against the hepatic (or other) effects of quinine.
Great stuff! I will up my levels of these antioxidants, and keep the vitamin C high, too, just for antioxidant suspicious cat reasons.
Yes, the first paper is about quercetin and its interaction with zinc. The fact that it is a buffer for the quinine is the important part, as you note. I wanted you to know that you can use things like tea and berries to mitigate the effects of the quinine, because they contain quercetin.
One of the highest natural sources of quercetin is a bark called pau d’arco. It can be made into a tea, extract, or a tincture. You can probably get it at your local health food store. I just had some pau d’arco tea myself for good measure.
Excellent. What level of quinine is it up against? Or are you holding off on that?
I am using 8 oz. twice a day. That’s a pint. I think you said 1/4 a tablet of quinine, correct? I am not having quinine issues. I used to love gin and tonic, and had WAY more than a pint of tonic occasionally!
Good – that’s going to be my goal, too. I’m going to go back on it tonight, starting with a cup.
Gotta get back on the horse that threw me! 😉
If you can get the straight zinc, maybe that will help. Also, the quercetin might be helpful. My friend who had this when I did, and is still suffering like you are, actually had quercetin tablets to take when we talked about trying this regimen. She also uses tonic water regularly for leg cramps. This may have actually saved her life when she had it; she is 68 years old. The only thing she wasn’t taking at the time was the zinc, but maybe her regular multi-vitamin had just enough to protect her.
Yup. That was me. Multivitamin and vitamin C. The women’s multivitamins tend to be better on zinc and iron b/c of osteoporosis and anemia support. Turned out I was only getting 11 mg in a generic senior multivitamin – my wife was getting 15 mg in hers. That also explains my body shock jumping to around 50 mg.
Logic says you almost certainly had it already then, based on the web of evidence through your friend’s case, my case, and Sylvia, who tested positive. If you and your friend shared the same bug, then you had it, IMO.
Notice how much zinc Zelenko is giving people! 220 mg / day for 5 days. That is shocker levels, BUT it’s not toxic – just uncomfortable. Yeah, and it can save one’s bacon!!!
That guy was NOT messing around!
Seeing some reports of older patients with compromised lung history struggling to clear this. Start to feel better and then struggling. Zith + zinc was a game changer for one aged 70 fellow. Was already a regular green tea drinker. They are now trying quercetin 500mg morning and night. Reported noticeable improvements from that.
My personal experience today… 2 months from onset is sensation of SOB on exertion which quickly resolves by sitting down. PulseOx doesn’t register fast enough when it happens, but I do know my heart rate went up after 5 minutes of just basic activity outside. Not sure if it’s some other environmental factor (new 5G in area) or lingering effects of infection.
Yes, there are certain irregularities of the effects that just don’t make sense.
P.S. I am sure I get quite a bit of quercetin in my daily diet. Breakfast smoothie for me is two cups leafy greens, a cup of berries, and some apple, all of which have it. And that’s just breakfast!
I’m still doing a lot of ginger tea, which I find very helpful for my breathing. Hope that has some antioxidants or ionophores, too. It definitely keeps the hydration going.
Ginger contains quercetin, so yes to the ionophores. And it is really good for lungs, breathing, coughing, etc. So keep it up! We are winning!
Many years ago i was very sick and could not tolerate any anti-microbial drugs or herbs due to bad reactions. I found a blend of Amazon-based plant powders, including pau d’arco, that I could boil into a decoction to drink. It was the only thing that “worked” at that time.
No Fed takeover, make them own their lefty sh!thole mess. Illinois out of control and bankrupt because of their public sector unions. Michigan in a crunch because of their 3rd world enclaves and backwards customs. Make them own it!
Use their national guard to close their state borders and section off the state in quarantine. Im curious to know if its a general brush off or particularly ignorant areas/groups of people.
Won’t happen.
President Trump is doing a great job keeping Feds in the Fed lane. And, making States and local governments manage their territory.
Chi-Com-19 is highlighting the gross incompetence of D-Rat guvs and mayors. Even Jared highlighted some of their incompetence a couple days ago at the 5 PM presser. IMO, that is why the pressitutes went after Jared yesterday.
Lessons to be learned, IF, voters are paying attention.
Judging by the current local news talking points, I think I figured out why they’re pushing face masks so hard. tl;dr: Orange man bad.
1) Get Democrat politicians, media, and corrupt CDC to push the face mask narrative.
2) Force President Trump to go on record and say he’s not going to wear a face mask.
3) Write nasty headlines about President Trump “ignoring CDC guidelines” because he’s either “stupid” or a “dictator.”
I recommend we Alinsky them on this tactic. Start asking these Democratic politicians, Twitter checkmarks, and “journalists” why they aren’t wearing face masks. Refuse to wear one until they do.
It’s so ironic that you’re very concerned about this particular facet of the situation…yet your avatar is wearing a mask.
(OK, it’s not the “right” kind of mask, but still…)
I’m not against masks. I’m against the government ordering me to wear one.
Masks in this ChiCom-19 as I see it…
Uh, it’s a half hearted suggestion to wear a mask, at best.
Initially.
Feds, knowing there are not enough masks for health care workers AND citizens. So they justify not wearing a mask.
– Something like ChiCom-19 particles are too small to be filtered out by N95.
– Folks don’t know how to wear them… (AND, folks couldn’t possibly watch PSA announcements on TV, social edia, YT… sarc)
– Pure. Utter. BS. IMHO. But I DO understand why they say don’t wear masks. Or said it, until quite recently…
Then there are calls for folks to make masks and donate to health care providers. Good with it. Something IS better than nothing.
So, IMO, it begs the question, why not regular folks wear home made masks. They are better than nothing.
Hence, we now have a “suggestion” to wear home made masks. Some areas require it I suppose.
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BTW, I am not blaming the Feds decisions. Simply highlighting reality as I see it.
It moved past “half-hearted suggestion” when governors and mayors began ordering their constituents to wear masks in public.
Yes, There are those areas that require something. Wonder if those areas care what type of mask, and IF a bandanna counts. Or are those areas making masks available for purchase. (Not really asking. More like shaking my head.)
If that bit of government brilliance arrives northern NV, I’ll then wear a mask the rare time I am at the grocery. Donated most of my mask stock to local hospital. Kept a few for the day I either need or must wear.
But, wearing a mask on walks in proximity of no one, or ATV in desert, NOT going to happen. Dumber than F’n dirt.
Amen. Stupid leftists are stupid leftists.
DH played golf today…not one mask in large group. Later went to Aldi’s…no masks.
Everyone is wiping down surfaces and maintaining The Distance, but so far not buying into the masks thing.
Me too. Thats my take.
I wear a mask because I am considered of other people not because government tells m too.
I refuse to war cloth mask because it reminds m of muslim face cover.
I aw something on You Tube a person made face mask from HEPA vacuum filter. I would wear that because it does not look like muslim face cover.
People are very creative. We bought 20 N95 masks and my husband had some I wear those.
I am actually a rebel at heart but curb it if i affects others.
Good idea with the HEPA filter. I was just going to mention that. (Now watch, no one will be able to get vac bags for the next couple of months…).
There are many, MANY high-efficiency (and, sad to say, high-cost) respirators/breathing masks out there. Painters use them, body-shop folks use them, gardening folks who spray pesticides, etc., (should) use them, and a whole host of other people/tasks that need them. As far as face shields go, anyone who normally uses a grinder or any (power) tool that could spit out a chunk of wood or metal should already have one. If not, the various hardware stores out there should have them.
Another, albeit odd, source of fine-particulate filter(s) would be the particulate-trap filters you can mount on laser printer exhaust vents to catch the toner particles before they can cause harm…. Office Depot, Staples, Amazoon, etc., probably have them…
If you wanted to look like someone out of a 1950s sci-fi movie, you could use a welder’s mask, as well, but with a clear or low-density filter in it…
Chiefio has a few items/articles on “rolling your own” (or maybe, sewing your own).
(And, yep, you wouldn’t want to be over here now with Merde-Kuh & co. …)…
My question is ..why now? Why the insistence now? They’re sanctioning bandanas and homemade masks. They could’ve commanded this before.
Why are other countries similarly getting heavy handed? Does this thing mutate into some zombie apocalypse that they’re not saying?
They’re getting unmasked, so they’re saying we should be masked.
All I can think of is the dehumanizing aspect of it. The idea behind this, apparently, is for people to keep their germs to themselves. If that’s the rationale, we’ll never quit wearing them.
It’s dehumanizing. From an emotional stand point, forming a bond will be interrupted. Think of parents bonding with newborns, couples bonding with facial expressions, etc. That would be removed from social discourse.
I hate to go there with this, but that’s my gut feeling.
I agree. Same with “SOCIAL” distancing. The correct term should be PHYSICAL distancing.
You are so correct about this. The left specializes in turning individuals into units. Wearing masks helps this happen.
I think it’s because public perception is starting to turn against them now. Lots of counter info coming out against their narrative. They are scrambling trying to stay relevant and retain some degree of credibility. They are panicking at the loss of control over the sheeple.
BINGO!
I agree with this. They are desperate to ramp up more panic as the narrative starts to shift away from them. I now am required to wear a surgical mask….pointless…for all visits. But only 1 mask per day to be reused. Stupid🙄🙃
The call for masks has come from set of persons who saw the hypocrisy coming out of the WHO and CDC. They had no voice and it took time for it surface. Notice the press only started to talk about it only two days ago as the ground swell surfaced and the President mentioned they’d be looking into it. Now the left is going to try to jump on this pony and try to make it look like they were riding it long ago when in fact they’ve been mum on this from the beginning.
Meanwhile you do have some liberal states that are glamming on to this because they realize the plandemic is going to sweep them away too. Or at least that’s my take.
mollypitcher5 go with your instincts you know the answer 🙂
Top headline on the NYT right now is a nasty headline about the President not wearing a mask. They’re pushing this point hard.
Trump should wear the mask. Then the libs won’t. 😁
Actually its quite likely he won’t just for that reason.
HA!
Seriously – wearing a mask while standing 10 or 20 feet away from other people is pretty ridiculous. People aren’t listening to Birx.
My husband reported to me that young people with body art ( no age specific) do not abide to distance or anything else. His opinion is if the china virus his by us it will hit them badly.
They want pics of him with a mask for future dim commercials perhaps!!!
Well, let’s see if Pelosi, Schumer, the lovely Maxine, Adam Schiff, , Obama, , Brennen….are wearing their masks. And so far I haven’t seen any Hollywood ..experts on every subject.. wear any.
They want to make us all like antifa or perhaps make us all like muslim women covering our faces.
Don’t know what happened with the nearly identical posts. I may be “ loosing it” hers. Sorry.
Oh yea. I’m loosing it….the posts aren’t identical. Sorry again – and embarrassed.
They want us dehumanized, alienated, and psychologically traumatized. MSM is already talking about social distancing being a permanent thing, and they’ll probably try that with the face masks, too. Anything to keep us as alienated from each other as possible.
Yep. Crowd, mob control. A new twist for a new Time Machine type novel.
Well doesn’t he look all smug in his pontificating. Almost rubbing his hands in glee at the thought that he who controls the vaccine controls the world. Evil doer.
https://twitter.com/rooshv/status/1246263737436254210?s=21
Adam Schiff was in on this vaccination social manipulation plot. Remember he chased InfoWars and Natural News off social media over “vaccine misinformation”?
These are the same people who lied about antiviral drugs – WHOOPS – I mean antimalarials.
He was in on it. Same with Gates. These people were in a plot with the CCP.
It’s incredible. These people are horrifying.
Seriously when the truth comes out about this we’re going to be blown away. Maybe it’s better that it doesn’t.
If the truth ever comes out, it will be 3 years late and 6 trillion dollar short.
And they better not even think of not exposing the truth.
The only reason we’re going along with this ‘Trust the Plan(ners)’ stuff is because we’re counting on them to expose everything.
If they’re not going to, then we’re back to plan ‘A’.
I think about that weasel Peter Strzok testifying before Congress, and his rank arrogance. . . doing a little dance for the cameras and looking pure evil. All the while he acted like he was going to get away with all this crap and there was nothing anyone was going to be able to do to touch him. Like, I know something you don’t know.
Yes, and so far he has been allowed to get away with it, by the Department of Just-Us.
And that kind of thing doesn’t just eat at the edges of peoples’ confidence in the rule of Law, it pours gas all over it and throws it in a lake of fire.
If one follows and buys into George Webb, the Strzok family is into gun running. They’re BIG TIME CIA people.
I have a suspicion in the end a whole lot of people at that level are going to turn state’s witness to save their own skins.
If anyone ever prosecutes them. Why would they become witnesses for the DOJ, if the DOJ never prosecutes?
Sessions didn’t prosecute, and now Trump won’t even endorse Sessions for his Senate campaign. Actually told Sessions to cease and desist claiming that Trump supported him.
AG Barr is apparently motivated to strike like lightning at people who hoard masks. Barr should become the new Mask & Glove Czar, so DJT could put someone who actually cares about enforcing the LAW in the Attorney General position.
“If they’re not going to, then we’re back to plan ‘A’.”
….which is no plan, so in the big picture scott, to paraphrase a devil’s minion…
WTF difference does it make if we are rooting and hoping for something to be done when the alternative is out of our control and nothing happens?
Plan ‘A’ is the Founder’s Plan.
The plan that was rejected by those who thought time was on their side, and who thought the American People were too delicate to tolerate a military solution. Every minute that goes by is another minute the Cabal has to plan the murder of millions of innocent people and even entire nations.
Justice delayed is justice denied. It’s not just a quaint expression, it’s a maxim of the Law.
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“Justice delayed is justice denied” is a legal maxim meaning that if legal redress is available for a party that has suffered some injury, but is not forthcoming in a timely fashion, it is effectively the same as having no redress at all.
This principle is the basis for the right to a speedy trial and similar rights which are meant to expedite the legal system, because it is unfair for the injured party to have to sustain the injury with little hope for resolution.
The phrase has become a rallying cry for legal reformers who view courts or governments as acting too slowly in resolving legal issues either because the existing system is too complex or overburdened, or because the issue or party in question lacks political favour. — Wiki
Maxim [mak-sim]
noun
1. An established principle or proposition
2. A principle of law universally admitted, as being a correct statement of the law
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The Founder’s Plan, Plan ‘A’:
Noah Webster said, “The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops.”
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“And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. … The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” — Thomas Jefferson
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Writing in the Federalist Paper No.46, James Madison said, “The Constitution preserves the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation … (where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.”
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In Federalist Paper No. 28, Alexander Hamilton said, “If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all forms of positive government.”
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Richard Henry Lee said, “To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.”
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Joseph Story (Supreme Court Justice) said: “The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a Republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers…” – excerpt from ‘Commentaries on the Constitution’ (1833).
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“This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing Government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, OR THEIR REVOLUTIONARY RIGHT TO DISMEMBER OR OVERTHROW IT.” — Abraham Lincoln, inaugural address, March 4, 1861
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Declaration of Independence (excerpt):
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, IT IS THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE to alter or to ABOLISH it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”
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Plan ‘A’ is messy, but sure and certain. Expose the criminals worldwide — names, faces, current addresses — put bounties on their heads, and turn us loose. Special forces / military goes after the most dangerous and/or entrenched in bunkers, We the People take care of the rest. It’s all over in a few weeks.
I know many people of a certain age group can’t bring themselves to believe that ANY action would ever accomplish anything. Their ‘plan A’ is ‘cold anger’. I have seen the achievements of ‘cold anger’, and found them lacking.
Any kind of ‘cold anger’ that consumes a lifetime with nothing to show for it is manifestly just an excuse to do nothing until you’re too old to do anything. But at least they had a lifetime of muh cold anger to look back on with fondness and tell their enslaved grandchildren about.
Action.
When no one will take action, the lack of action becomes the most important thing, because everything else is meaningless bullshit, without action.
Bravo! In essence, MLK had it right, a man who stands for nothing will FALL for anything. Or as said so eloquently in National Treasure. It means that people that have the ABILITY to act have the RESPONSIBILTY to act.
There are VERY good reasons for the 2nd Amendment, the founders KNEW. Hell even Yamamoto knew in WW2. “We cannot invade the United States, there will be a weapon behind every blade of grass”
I guess the question each generation must face in time of War, unrest, and crisis. What are WE prepared to do about it?
Extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures. I HOPE it does not come to ANY of this. I hope Trump comes to his senses, does what is right, reopens the country, and then PUBLICLY punishes those that misrepresented this and did SO much damage.
It needs to be stopped as quickly as possible, or it risks EITHER becoming the new norm, people capitulate, give up, and America is DEAD, socialism WINS and is HERE to stay. OR there is MASSIVE unrest and pushback, MANY more millions are hurt, killed, and property is DESTROYED.
the ONLY acceptable answer, and it IS a risk, is to reopen the country, and TRY to restore it to as much as normal as quickly as possible. There is MUCH more at stake here than the reelection of Trump. The battle for the soul and SOULS of the country has began. I HOPE that Trump IS the man he said he was when he said “This country will NEVER be a Socialist country”
Time to PUT up or SHUT up Mr. President, Socialism is being practiced here DAILY, hour by hour by these nanny state “guidelines” Time to STOP IT. We are Americans, we have RIGHTS, and they are being SMASHED in the name of “public health, safety, doing the “right” thing, a National emergency, or doing civic and patriotic duty to “protect” the most vulnerable.
We as Americans have ALWAYS had choice…FREE choice, and that INCLUDED taking risk. We do not NEED and we do not WANT someone ELSE to tell yus what is best for US or anyone else. That is OUR damn choice.
If we risk it, get sick, and die, it is OUR choice to do so. My mom and Dad are passed, I am a GROWN man, I do not need someone to “guideline” me and tell me how to keep myself, my family, and others “safe” or free from illness.
The TRUTH is that NO AMOUNT of “social distancing” restrictions” guidelines, or sequester can STOP this. It can ONLY slow it down at BEST. More likely, this virus will do what viruses ALL do, spike and burn out.
This is not a war with a known enemy. We cannot SEE it, we cannot reason with it, we cannot hear it, we can ONLY try to not get sick, if we DO get sick, take measures to NOT make anyone else sick, and then seek treatment.
Just as we the Human species have ALWAYS done for over 5000 years as a civilized society…until NOW.
#time to end the shutdown.
The Founding Fathers would have NEVER done this, they had just experienced forced tyranny, they would want NO part of this thing.
This is NOT taxation without representation, this is QUARANTINE without representation.
Want to PROVE it? Hold a VOTE I bet there will be MANY more MILLIONS that want to end this than want to be FORCED into isolation. People cannot even go to an OUTDOOR park. What the FUCK is that. Sunlight is PROVEN to kill this and nearly ALL viruses INSTANTLY. OUTSIDE…not on a bus or a subway, OUTSIDE in the FRESH air. This is NOT airborne. This is CONTACT, DIRECT CONTACT spread.
Can NO ONE, especially YOU Mr. President, see the FARCE in that. If ONE thing in this is FAKE or a farce, there ARE more, and that means that it FALLS APART.
It is a damn good thing my father is passed, he would be cleaning his guns as we speak.
SMDH, what has happened to OUR country. We are NOT France, we do not SURRENDER, we do NOT cower, we go big, we go BOLD, we use common sense, we PUSHBACK, and if necessary we FIGHT back..and we fight to WIN. God help us all.
Let it all come out. lay it bare. We need a good flushing of the Agean Stables.
Megalomaniacs – money and control
Bill Gates and his vaccine with an ID chip…
▶️ DECEMBER 23, 2019 21st Century Wire
Bill Gates, MIT Develop New ‘Tattoo ID’ to Check For Vaccinations
“To make sure that you’ve had all of your required doses of government mandated vaccines, scientists at MIT have created a new ink which can be embedded in the skin which can be read using a special infra-red smart phone camera app.”
▶️ MARCH 18, 2020 FORBES
Bill Gates Calls For National Tracking System For Coronavirus During Reddit AMA
Funny that…
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The WHIP to make people accept the vaccine & ‘Mark of the Beast’ is NO GATHERINGS= NO SCHOOL, NO DAYCARE, NO WORK UNTIL YOU ARE CHIPPED!
THIS makes it EASY for ANYONE to enforce:
“scientists at MIT have created a new ink which can be embedded in the skin which can be read using a special infra-red smart phone camera app.”
Watch the Autists create bogus ids to muck-up the works…
Sounds Beastly………..
Thanks, Gail. We all need to push this article out to the public. It is understandable layman’s terms, and very alarming.
Bill Gates finds virus creations, then funds vaccines, then forces us to get vaccinated, then tracks us everywhere. #EvilIncarnate
Boll Gates is a lunatic and when we realize it his steam is not going to work.
He wants to turn us into cattle. He would have a chip in him so we all can stay away from him.
By the way chips wander through the body.
My dogs and cats are chipped and one of my past dogs the chip wandered through his body.
Agreed, they move. I accidentally got pencil lead embedded under my skin in my leg as a child, and doc said “leave it. It will move towards heart but not fast enough to kill you.” Sure enough, it’s migrated a few inches up my thigh!
That’s the Fauci angle.
My prayer is that he is the first big name to fall…the one Q says will wake everyone up.
QUOTE:
“To make sure that you’ve had all of your required doses of government mandated vaccines, scientists at MIT have created a new ink which can be embedded in the skin which can be read using a special infra-red smart phone camera app.”
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Uh, Bill Gates can go f@ck himself.
Project Veritas
Cuomo positioning for stimulus money?
Not as serious as being reported?
Misinfo and fake news?
Hospitals intentionally miscoding and reporting to CDC?
HCQ clinical trial only, spinning Trump as wrong?
No centralized control on testing efforts for commonality?
People told to go to ER for test but no testing available at ER?
Cuomo positioning for stimulus money?
Not as serious as being reported?
Misinfo and fake news?
Hospitals intentionally miscoding and reporting to CDC?
Every single instance a felony crime against America, diverting (and hoarding) precious resources during a national crisis.
It’s going to be another day before I have the article up about my “zinc and quinine” explorations, but until then, I want to throw up a cautionary note that people need to be careful not to take too much quinine or too much zinc. What is “too much” varies. Start off SMALL if you try this.
My wife has told me about her having to take zinc once, and not liking the stomach effects. She refuses to take it now. I may have gotten a bit of that myself. I got a slightly sour stomach and a lot of belching I didn’t expect! It may be the calcium or magnesium in the supplement, but still annoying. Just FYI.
Quinine can also cause effects like ringing in the ears when you take too much too long, which I’ve always noted when I drank it for pleasure, but it also has some more significant side effects that need to be watched out for.
Take great care if you follow my lead on this. Always start out with a FRACTIONAL dose on any new drug, supplement, vitamin or mineral. Even if OTC. Even if tonic water. Better safe than sorry.
Did you know that 2 quarts of tonic water have the quinine of an actual antimalarial PILL? Yes! Fun fact.
Read the “labeling” here:
https://www.healthline.com/health/quinine-in-tonic-water
Here is information about zinc:
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/zinc-supplements
I may cut back to 30 mg / day zinc and 0.5 L / day tonic water. I think the combination may be quite powerful.
More later.
I’ve taken a daily zinc supplement for years. I’ve learned to take it after a meal to avoid stomach discomfort (mild nausea in my case).
Ah, that’s a good idea. I may need better timing!
I second Sadie’s findings. I bury the zinc towards the end of a meal.
ALSO DO NOT TAKE ZINC WITHIN 1/2 HOUR OF TAKING VITAMIN C!!!!
(ZiCam recommendation)
Selinium on the other hand you take on an empty stomach and do not eat for at least 10 minutes. (I take it as soon as I get up.)
did not know about not taking zinc with vit C. I’ve been taking mine together for months now with my breakfast. Will start taking it at dinner now instead.
Gail, could you elaborate on not taking C at the same time as zinc? Is wicked heartburn and acid reflux aside effect?
I think it is more that the C and zinc de-activate each other. I have never researched it since it is easy enough to separate the two by a 1/2 hour.
If ascorbic acid is a Zn chelator but not a cellular Zn ionophore, that would explain deactivation.
What’s really strange is that over here, they have a combo tablet, with Vitamin C, Zink, and Selenium…
Maybe they can sell more of them that way….
The problem over here is that they rarely, if ever, have OTC pills with just one med (e.g. Iodine). There’s always a panoply of other vitamins/minerals/etc. clogging up the mix. So if you take two different combos, you end up with an excess amount of something you didn’t even want in the first place. What worries me the most is electrolyte balance (Ca, Mg, K, Na). Can lead to arrythmia or other problems…
Definitely take the zinc with food in the tummy.
I get canker sores and tongue lesions if I take more than 500mg of Vit C a day, but I am sensitive to all acidic foods.
Read the zinc instructions – usually medicinal doses are for 5-7 days, not for longer. So right now I take 1 lozenge after dinner. Will ramp up if I feel any Covid symptoms.
Appreciate ALL who contribute to these discussions. I need to refresh myself on what Quercetin adds to the mix.
Looking forward to your article, Wolfie. #WeAreAllMacGyverNow
Thanks for posting, will be following along.
I’ve been drinking a little tonic water daily for at least a couple years now for the quinine. Maybe a cup a day. I was curious what all the hubub was about and that’s when I learned about its anti-malarial uses and so forth. It was fascinating.
I originally did that mainly for my curiosity – I wasn’t expecting it to suddenly become much more interesting…
It’s supposed to be good for cramps, too.
Quinine tonic water…Exactly why I started drinking it…even though I drink lots of water and liquids on a daily basis, especially when home. Started drinking lots of water when playing golf in Florida and it’s just a habit now, but regardless …still got leg and foot cramps at night so hence the quinine, which I find refreshing just as a drink and a nice change from plain water.
Got lots yesterday at Publix and also ordered the recommended quinine syrup on line to have as a back up. A large bottle (32oz) is $20 on Amazon and makes a lot..
Caffeine + lots of fluids = loss of potassium = leg cramps esp at night.
https://healthhearty.com/leg-cramps-potassium
https://healthfully.com/502318-does-excessive-caffeine-cause-potassium-depletion.html
https://healthfully.com/should-you-take-calcium-or-potassium-for-leg-cramps-6752265.html
No caffeine here…I think it’s mild neuropathy and my feet aren’t getting enough blood. Educated guess, only.
Drink daily veggie smoothies with lots of potassium in them.
AH – that explains my leg cramps (tons of coffee, sometimes) and why even the bad potassium source of Gatorade helps.
Wolf be careful with gatorade . My husband used to drink lots of gatorade and became diabetic.
A banana will help or dried apricots.
Also loss of Magnesium can cause leg cramps
LINK
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Effects of Zinc With Potassium
“Zinc and potassium are both minerals that contribute to healthy body functions, including the functions of the immune, circulatory, muscular and digestive systems. The use of zinc supplements can lead to decreased levels of magnesium, which also lowers the levels of potassium in the body. This negative effect can be avoided by supplementing the diet with magnesium supplements, thereby increasing the levels of potassium in the body…..”
There is a lot more info at that site.
Thanks…will save that one. I like to be armed and sound half-way intelligent when I talk with my doctor!
I drink Gerolsteiner lots of magnesium in it. Balanced diet helps also to get all the minerals.
I like to stay with one cup of coffee a day otherwise have variety of tees.
My husband used to drink 5-6 cups of coffee a day and wound up with heart rhythmic problems. He also used to eat the wrong stuff on the run no breakfast and eat at night. He became diabetic 2 and he is very slim waist 32. Never was heavy.
Now he eats what I eat and he does not need meds for his diabetic and his heart rhythm was corrected at OH State Hospital.
Yes! That’s the main thing I was using it for originally. Then I sprained my ankle with a “moderate” sprain and had to put compression on my ankle and sleep a certain way which was putting me at constant risk of charlie-horse with the injured ankle. I was trying any trick I could think of to help prevent them since I couldn’t easily do my normal stretching.
Wolfie, i was concerned when I saw you were taking 50 mg zinc. Okay for a few days, like a week, but long-term it’s too much, and you can throw off other minerals like copper. Be careful
Thanks! Yeah, I think I’ve been long-term at 15 mg, so going to 25 or 30 may be more realistic.
If the following is true, assuming a glass is 8oz, then two quarts of quinine water would yield about 160 mg of quinine.
*https://www.huffpost.com/entry/quinine-tonic-water-gin_n_5982994
A glass of tonic water holds roughly 20 mg of quinine, whereas a dose for the treatment of leg cramps would be in the 200 to 300 mg range.
Yes, THIS article behind THAT article is GREAT!!!
https://www.peoplespharmacy.com/articles/is-quinine-in-tonic-water-safe
Everything we need to know.
Note that quinine can be pretty nasty stuff, with possible KIDNEY effects.
Yup. I’m gonna keep this on the low dosage level.
Good commentary I read this morning…
https://tennesseestar.com/2020/04/04/commentary-left-moving-from-proof-of-concept-to-execution-on-plan-to-bring-down-america/
Excellent commentary!
BOOM!!!
https://twitter.com/RichHiggins_DC/status/1246233465160433664
Yup! Notice the panic because they have a ‘cure’ for something. Finally a cure!Because if we find a cure so fast why are we pumping billions into research for other cures when I’m sure we already have them locked away.
Sidney Powell has a great idea!
Seems like the fifteen minute test could easily be drive up.
– Misc Q&A. Administer test.
Negative, have a nice day.
Positive pull up in another line and get the meds.
Like a ferry line!
Yes. I think THAT is where the potentially sick people need to go. Drive up.
There are MANY people getting into doc offices RIGHT NOW – all of them NOT sick. MANY of them are immune. If P. rex is right, MOST of them are immune. Gotta test them. If they are coming up mostly immune, the FARCE is over.
great …infect my doctor…no thank you.
There are many people without any signs of infection (sprained ankles) who are getting into our doctor’s offices right now. All of them need to be antibody tested, IMO. Max sunshine.
But yeah, infected people might try to sneak past the current doctors’ office screening to be tested, so there would have to be a MAGNET to draw them away. Drive-up would be the best.
hope you are doing better…any word on Sylvia? I haven’t checked on her.
NOT A GOOD IDEA!!!
Would spread the infection to all doctors/dentist offices.
Keep it contained to people who ARE TRAINED TO handle infectious diseases!!!
Great point. This is why distinguishing the TWO TYPES OF TESTS is important.
Gotta keep the “I might be infected” tests someplace ELSE, like it is now. Gotta make sure that people who might have the infection are DRAWN to the other place, instead of doctor’s offices.
But OTOH, everybody who is currently getting into the doc offices (and there are MANY – meaning people NOT LIKE ME, who have to do virtual visits – and there ARE many people still getting in to see the doctors) after being screened for temps, history, etc.(that is what is happening now) need to be ANTIBODY TESTED to see if they’re immune.
You see what I’m saying?
We can antibody test IN PLACE with no added risk to the population. The only gotcha is to make sure that people who MIGHT have the disease have some place SAFER and EASIER to go INSTEAD of doctor’s offices. That will make doctor’s offices EVEN SAFER than they are now.
We need DATA on who can go back, and we have a perfect situation to get that data already.
About that carrier captain:
General Milley – “Secretary of the Navy is responsible to the American people….any time the Secretary of the Navy or a commanding officer loses trust and confidence in a subordinate, the subordinate goes.”
https://twitter.com/KarluskaP/status/1246158250745176070
San Fran Chronicle was captain’s home town….hmmmm
Read that POTUS didn’t agree with the firing, but t’s exactly what he does with his advisors, staff and Cabinet…so he really has to step back in this one, IMO.
planned.
Is there a chance he will be court martialed?
Depends on factors I don’t have the answers to.
If he let sailors off the ship during a pandemic – that is reckless, irresponsible, possibly intentional – so you are right – may have been planned.
What’s going on with pneumonia deaths?
China Virus leads to respiration problems.
Are the pneumonia death classified as COVID-19 in the reporting?
https://twitter.com/rmsgeek/status/1246214783830982656/photo/1
Well that’s the bright spot of the Coronavirus, it has resulted in a dramatic drop in pneumonia fatalities /s
I think we just discovered that grim reaper pneumonias tend to start with coronavirus infections – and the way we did it was by the ChiComs releasing a new one that “jiggled the numbers”.
Apparently, deputies across Missouri and the snitches who have nothing better to do and claim way too many people have been out not social distancing, have managed to convince our not-elected machine Republican governor that we need a state-wide stay at home order. The local orders, apparently, were not enough. So, now the COUNTY parks – the ones that are so big you can get lost in the woods – are closed.
I still maintain that there’s more to this than meets the eye, but all that order is going to do in the long run is ensure anyone in office is voted out in November. Seriously, we don’t have the levels of the bug that other places have, and it’s concentrated in the two metropolitan regions. Why punish the people in the Ozarks?
Our Gov did it here as well. People still going about their day to day as normal though. Most businesses still open. Lots of pushback over forced quarantine.
Here in central Illinois, too, and it’s caused a lot of fear and hysteria.
GRAND CANYON was shut down because ONE employee tested positive! Now, that is nuts!
That fake gov is an idiot. Most people were aLready doing this.
Too bad he’s running again. Not good options MO. (Now toss out the city mayor)
Problem os some stores are not delivering some items so you have to pick it up in store.
On his show last night (?) – Tucker reminds us of how wrong Fauci was and how he mis-led us in his early public remarks – poo-pooing the danger to Americans. Tucker also reminds us that Fauci’s early models were also wrong.
Now we can see how this led to the major outbreaks
Super Bowl fed the Miami/Dade/S FL outbreak.
Mardi Gras going on as usual and a special Mardi Gras cruise ship fed the New Orleans outbreak.
Nancy Pelosi fed the California outbreak by urging Californians to ignore the virus and go to Chinatown, celebrate Chinese New Year?
Cuomo and his health officer Oxiris fed the New York outbreak by urging New Yorkers to get out and hug a Chinese and eat in Chinese restaurants, have fun as usual?
On TV – Fauci told the public we were in no danger of an epidemic in the USA.
During all the early Task Force briefings – Fauci and Birx and others told Americans the risk was low.
Sounds like these people all either irresponsibly allowed or actually wanted Muh Pandemic.
Was it in order to stop Trump rallies and the Trump booming economy?
Were they saying this on Bill Gates and George $0ros orders?
Do we have an updated shovel report from Sylvia?
Yes, Marica upthread. Sylvia not yet 100% but doing better 👍
Oh My God, let this be over soon!
https://twitter.com/kr3at/status/1246245628637851650