2020·12·26 KMAG Daily Thread

The Battle of Trenton

First off I have to burst some bubbles–any that have survived the past couple of weeks.

The Battle of Trenton did not happen on Christmas Day after a crossing of the partially frozen Delaware on Christmas Eve.

No, it happened the day after Christmas after a crossing begun on Christmas. (Christmas night in modern reckoning versus Christmas Eve(ning) in Biblical reckoning where days started at sunset, not midnight. I’d wager the subtle difference between “eve” and “evening” is where the confusion stems from.)

And we didn’t kill them in their beds. Although we had some surprise on our side, they had time to get out of bed and make several daring attempts to win the battle.

Nevertheless, I have no doubt that, to alter the popular meme, we would be willing to kill agents of tyranny in their beds on Christmas, if we had to.

Speaking of “had to,” the United States absolutely had to win the Battle of Trenton. It would, by most standards and under most circumstances be a very minor battle, hardly worth noting, but it is instead often listed as one of the battles that shaped not just American, but World history.

As of Christmas morning, the Continental Army was getting its ass kicked. And everyone knew it. Morale was at near rock bottom. Washington had been in retreat since the previous summer, having been kicked out of New York and been chased across New Jersey into Pennsylvania. The army was now encamped near Philadelphia, and many of the soldiers’ enlistments would end in January; they could go home, having fulfilled their obligations.

And many of them were certainly planning to go home believing the Revolution to be a lost cause, and in so doing, they would make it so.

Washington himself had yet to really prove himself as a commander, too. His time in the French and Indian War was no triumph (in fact many historians blame his blunders there for helping to trigger the world-wide Seven Year’s War, which qualified as a “world war” in Winston Churchill’s estimation). And, thus far his record in this war was less than stellar. The scorecard of actual battles was less than inspiring.

Fortunately, George Washington was capable of learning from his mistakes. (Which if you think about it, is not as common as it should be.)

And also fortunately, there’s a lot more to being a general than being able to win battles. You have to have the strategic vision, the grasp of the big picture, to know when to fight and when to cut your losses and run, to fight another day.

Earlier this year I chose to highlight the 1812 Overture and Napoleon’s invasion of Russia, and that was a perfect example. The Russian general there, Mikhail Illarionovich Kutuzov, who had taken command after Napoleon had seized Smolensk, understood one thing: Meeting Napoleon head-to-head would be disastrous. Napoleon was very good at winning battles. But Napoleon had, as it turned out, blundered at a strategic level in invading Russia in the first place. It would only work if he could win quickly. Kutuzov could see that his job was to ensure that Napoleon did not win quickly, to not give him the head-to-head confrontation he needed, after which the Russian winter would take care of things. Not that the Russians engaged in no combat at all; they went after Napoleon’s lengthening supply lines relentlessly, and in what was perhaps the bloodiest one day battle since Hannibal annihilated five Roman legions at Cannae in the third century BCE, bloodied Napoleon at Borodino so badly that, though Napoleon won that battle, it qualified as a Pyrrhic victory. But Kutuzov mostly retreated, trading one thing Russia had in abundance–space–for strategic advantage. They even let Napoleon have Moscow, the old traditional capital of the Russian Empire, but they made sure that it was worse than useless to him.

Kutuzov was widely criticized as a do-nothing commander. And even his sovereign, Alexander I, grandson of Catherine the Great, was in some danger of being taken out in a palace coup.

But Kutuzov was right, as it turned out.

But the War of 1812 (either one) was off in the future.

In 1776, George Washington was right to retreat when he did. He still had a force to use, instead of having been annihilated and us having Queen Elizabeth’s mug on our money today, and the Declaration of Independence being such an obscure footnote in history that one would have to do serious digging on the internet to even find the text–if anyone gave a enough of a damn to even ask what was in it.

Thus the task in December of 1776 was to leverage that tiny force. To win a victory. To show potential allies that we had the stick-to-it-iveness to see this through. For example France, much as it wanted to give England a bloody nose if not a crushed windpipe, wasn’t going to risk its own existence if it thought we would fold quickly and thus allow England to bring the troops home and use them directly against the French.

But the most important reason to win a victory is that without some kind of victory the Continental Army would effectively cease to exist on 1 January 1777. Ninety percent of those who had fought in New York earlier that year were gone. Many were deserting. Washington himself wrote, to his cousin in Virginia, “I think the game is pretty near up.”

The Army was camped at Valley Forge, near Philadelphia, about 2400 men. A detachment of the Hessian Auxiliaries that had helped chase Washington was camped across the river in Trenton. This was about 1400 men in four regiments. It looked like it was a mere matter of waiting for good fighting weather in Spring, and Washington, with his depleted army, could be taken out if he hadn’t already surrendered, and it would be over.

In fact it could happen before that; Washington expected General Howe, with yet other troops, to cross the river to finish him off, once the river completely froze over.

But what if we could pull off a sneak attack? The Hessians weren’t expecting anyone to want to fight in this brutally cold weather. But they were professionals; they’d stand and fight and clobber the amateur Continental army if there were any warning at all. But caught off guard with their figurative pants down they could perhaps be beaten, proving to the world but most importantly to our own men, that we could win.

The first part of this was “intel” or intelligence gathering. One thing that we had going for us throughout the entire war was better intel than the British, and this time was no exception. I’ll just quote Wikipedia here:

George Washington had stationed a spy named John Honeyman, posing as a Tory, in Trenton. Honeyman had served with Major General James Wolfe in Quebec at the Battle of the Plains of Abraham on September 13, 1759, and had no trouble establishing his credentials as a Tory. Honeyman was a butcher and bartender, who traded with the British and Hessians. This enabled him to gather intelligence and to convince the Hessians that the Continental Army was in such a low state of morale that they would not attack Trenton. Shortly before Christmas, he arranged to be captured by the Continental Army, who had orders to bring him to Washington unharmed. After being questioned by Washington, he was imprisoned in a hut to be tried as a Tory in the morning, but a small fire broke out nearby, enabling him to “escape”.

Wikipdia, Battle of Trenton

The actual plan of battle was to attack Trenton from three directions; the main force would cross the Delaware well north of Trenton and split into two forces commanded by Sullivan and Greene, while another force under Ewing would cross to the south, seize the bridge at Assunpink (another battle would be fought there a few months later) to cut off any Hessian retreat. Yet a third group under Cadwalader would launch a diversionary attack on a British garrison at Bordentown, to cut off any reinforcements.

This battle plan was not conceived overnight; Washington had been working this for weeks. He had ordered raids harassing the Hessians, and the Brits even got some indication he was planning something, they just didn’t know when. Colonel Rall, in command of the Hessians, was no dummy, he had asked for permission to place units strategically to thwart a move against his force, but his request was denied.

So it was Christmas night (as opposed to Christmas eve) that we struck.

Any movement would have to be done as stealthily as possible, which today means shut off all the electronics and move at night and hope the enemy doesn’t have night vision, but back then simply meant to move at night and hope no one noticed.

Because it would be dark, our forces needed a password in case they blundered into each other in the dark. The one chosen was “Victory or Death.”


The actual crossing of the river had mixed results. It went too slowly, in fact it didn’t end until 3AM, when the plan called for it to be done by midnight. Washington had to give up hope of a pre-dawn attack. Worse, both Cadwalader, who was supposed to attack potential British reinforcements at Bordentown, and Ewing, who was supposed to secure the Assunpink bridge, were unable to do anything on account of weather.

It looked like a mess.

Washington, however, had no choice but to press on.

I’ll quote Wikipoo again:

At 4:00 am, the soldiers began to march towards Trenton.[32] Along the way, several civilians joined as volunteers and led as guides (such as John Mott) because of their knowledge of the terrain.[33] After marching 1.5 miles (2.4 km) through winding roads into the wind, they reached Bear Tavern, where they turned right.[34] The ground was slippery, but it was level, making it easier for the horses and artillery. They began to make better time.[34] They soon reached Jacobs Creek, where, with difficulty, the Americans made it across.[35] The two groups stayed together until they reached Birmingham, where they split apart.[7] Soon after, they reached the house of Benjamin Moore, where the family offered food and drink to Washington.[36] At this point, the first signs of daylight began to appear.[36] Many of the troops did not have boots, so they were forced to wear rags around their feet. Some of the men’s feet bled, turning the snow to a dark red. Two men died on the march.[37]

As they marched, Washington rode up and down the line, encouraging the men to continue.[28] General Sullivan sent a courier to tell Washington that the weather was wetting his men’s gunpowder. Washington replied, “Tell General Sullivan to use the bayonet. I am resolved to take Trenton.”[38]

About 2 miles (3 km) outside the town, the main columns reunited with the advance parties.[39] They were startled by the sudden appearance of 50 armed men, but they were American. Led by Adam Stephen, they had not known about the plan to attack Trenton and had attacked a Hessian outpost.[40] Washington feared the Hessians would have been put on guard, and shouted at Stephen, “You sir! You Sir, may have ruined all my plans by having them put on their guard.”[40] Despite this, Washington ordered the advance continue to Trenton. In the event, Rall thought the first raid was the attack which Grant had warned him about, and that there would be no further action that day.[41]

Sheer dumb luck. Rall had actually been lulled, not alerted, by the mistaken raid, imagining that was all that Washington had planned to do. But “sheer dumb luck” often turns history, in good directions as well as bad directions.

(Sheer dumb luck gives writers of alternate history novels all sorts of job opportunities. One such, who writes under the name of Harry Turtledove, has written books predicated on the assumption we lost the Revolutionary War early, and England had nevertheless learned a lesson and given us autonomy, like they would do in Canada, Australia and South Africa, and books based on the Union not finding the Confederacy’s battle plans before Antietam–wrapped around some cigars a Confederate had dropped.)

There were skirmishes at 8 AM and the element of surprise would soon be lost. Washington sent a detachment to block the road to Princeton; when it arrived it attacked a Hessian unit, and the commander of that unit, Wierderholdt, realized what was going on; this wasn’t some dinky raid. This. Was. It.

Meanwhile at Trenton we had entered the town and the Hessians were awake and forming up. Our artillery still on the other side of the river opened up to great effect, as did the few cannon that had been brought across. The Hessians tried to take the cannon, but failed; they may have been in Trenton, but they already had lost control of the town. They made a number of attempts to take it back, all failing.

In the end, the Hessians lost 22 men killed in action, one of them Rall, who had been mortally wounded. Another 89 were wounded. Including those wounded, 896 Hessians were captured.

On our side, two men had died on the march (not the combat itself), and five wounded (no deaths) in the battle, including a near fatal wound to the wound of a soldier named James Monroe. (Yes, that Monroe, whose last name is mistakenly thought to be “Doctrine,” the last president from among the Founders.)

However, we lost enough men during the subsequent days, from exhaustion, illness, and exposure, that in reality we may have lost more men than did the Hessians.

This was, nevertheless, a tactical triumph, and that is what we needed, strategically, to stay in the war, to go on to ultimately break the British in the northern United States at Saratoga, bring the French and their navy into the war, and ultimately trap the British at Yorktown.

However many died following Trenton, their deaths were certainly not in vain, and as a result no earlier Patriot deaths were, either.

And Queen Elizabeth does not appear on our money. But George Washington, head of our military effort, and Thomas Jefferson, author of the Declaration of Independence that Washington and his men were fighting to make stick, do.

I could spend some time drawing parallels between our situation today and this situation back then, but I’ll just point the criticality of the situation, how there would (will) be no Summer of 1777 (or election of 2024) for America without a victory now.


It has been my custom for a number of years to deliberately fly the Betsy Ross flag overnight on this one night, December 25/26, to commemorate this event. Yes, it’s technically illegal to do so without illuminating it, and the Betsy Ross “thirteen stars in a circle” flag is probably a myth anyway, but there it is.

This year, and in this crisis, I’ve been flying Old Glory (50 stars) 24/7 with a Trump flag, and it will remain that way until this is resolved, one way or another. I’ve thus missed doing a special flag “thing” for such eminent holidays as the USMC birthday (November 10), Veteran’s Day (November 11), Pearl Harbor Day (Dec. 7), Bill of Rights Day (Dec. 15), and the anniversary of the Boston Tea Party (Dec. 16). [For this alone, Biden’s future grave deserves to be pissed on.]

But I did take down the 50 star old glory and raise Betsy Ross in its place, this time. And I got to inspect my flags in so doing. The US flag is a high quality item but is definitely fraying on the lower fly. I’ll need a new one January 21. (If Joe Biden has his way, though, I might not bother, as I’d have a strong urge to fly it upside down in distress.) The Trump flag is a cheap print, and has been disintegrating fly-hoistwards, most of the P is gone and it’s a TRUMI flag, soon to be a TRUM flag as even most of the vertical is gone.

Justice Must Be done.

Our movement is about replacing a failed and corrupt political establishment with a new government controlled by you, the American People...Our campaign represents a true existential threat, like they’ve never seen before.

Then-Candidate Donald J. Trump

Lawyer Appeasement Section

OK now for the fine print.

This is the WQTH Daily Thread. You know the drill. There’s no Poltical correctness, but civility is a requirement. There are Important Guidelines,  here, with an addendum on 20191110.

We have a new board – called The U Tree – where people can take each other to the woodshed without fear of censorship or moderation.

And remember Wheatie’s Rules:

1. No food fights
2. No running with scissors.
3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
4. Zeroth rule of gun safety: Don’t let the government get your guns.
5. Rule one of gun safety: The gun is always loaded.
5a. If you actually want the gun to be loaded, like because you’re checking out a bump in the night, then it’s empty.
6. Rule two of gun safety: Never point the gun at anything you’re not willing to destroy.
7. Rule three: Keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire.
8. Rule the fourth: Be sure of your target and what is behind it.

(Hmm a few extras seem to have crept in.)

The Mandatory Coin

Unlike last week, where I simply couldn’t think of anything, I have a topic in mind.

How did the Continental Congress pay for things?

War was expensive. The materiel wasn’t so bad, not then, especially when soldiers would live off the land. But we had to pay those soldiers, and we had no “real” money of silver or gold to speak of. England had done its best to bleed us dry long before the war happened. The idea of a colony, after all, was to send money home, not have it circulate in the colony and certainly not to have the colony send any money it made to other countries!

The Brits therefore tended not to let the colonies make their own coinage.

So we largely used Spanish money instead, with perhaps some French money in the mix (that latter bit is me speculating). This led to some monetary schizophrenia; the colonists thought in terms of shillings and pence (and very occasionally entire pounds), but much of what circulated here was Spanish reales, eight of which made a crown-sized coin that we called a dollar, from German thaler, which in turn was from Joachimstaler, which in turn was from Joachimsthal, a town with a gigantic silver deposit most conveniently coined into large coins, larger than had been seen before. (Today that town is known as Jachymov, and is in Czechia–and it played a key role in the discoveries that ultimately led to the atomic bomb–so it’s the home of both the Dollar and the Bomb.)

But there just weren’t enough dollars, nor reales, nor shillings, nor pence, to pay for the war effort; the individual states often failed to send anything to the Continental Congress.

So the Congress printed money, hoping someday to be able to redeem the notes with real money.

Thus was born the Continental Currency. And they had to resort to this a lot. To the point where it inflated, and we now have the phrase “not worth a Continental” to remember it by.

It was denominated in dollars, but often today the denominations seem odd. In 1775 we issued one, two, three, four, five, six, seven and eight dollar notes–as well as a twenty.

The next year we dropped the twenty dollar note in exchange for a thirty dollar note, added a half dollar note…but also a third of a dollar and two thirds of a dollar. And even a sixth of a dollar.

A sixth of a dollar? Really? That’s not even a whole number of cents! But, you see, our forebears didn’t even start dividing dollars into 100 cents until 1792. But this was still odd, because they typically thought of eighths of a dollar, single reales or “bits.”

In 1777, apparently, the inflation began to bite. The smallest denomination issues was $2, and we continued with $3, $4, $6, $7 and $8. (Apparently no $5, but all these other funky numbers.)

In 1778, the lowest denomination was $5, then $6, $7, $8, $20, $30, $40, $50 and even $60. Now if this was actual silver dollars, $60 would be huge sum of money by most people’s standards. But these weren’t, they were continentals, that weren’t worth a continental.

1779 saw the return of the $1 and $2, plus the $5, $20, $30, $35, $40, $45, $55, $60, $65, $70, and $80.

The British counterfeited these notes, in spite of the leaves depicted on them though a process that Benjamin Franklin had invented as a counterfeiting deterrent.

True connoisseurs of such notes will note there are a number of different designs, with notes from the same year often looking similar, and oftentimes the name of the printer contracted to run them off was quite prominent.

I’ll just embed a link to the full table in Wikipedia, rather than muck about with downloading the pics and re-uploading them:

(Or maybe not. I still can’t embed a link properly it seems. Try copying and pasting: https : // en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ Continental_currency_banknotes without the spaces.)

Many of these referenced the “United Colonies,” some made no such reference, but all mention the “Congress,” which was the issuing authority. Many 1776 bills issued after July 4 1776 still referenced the “United Colonies.” The first bill to read “United States” was issued in 1777.

Here’s a not atypical example, 1/3 of a dollar from 1776, authorized in February of that year.

These aren’t ruinously expensive, and can be had in presentable condition for well under a thousand dollars. (I don’t know this series at all; for all I know there are denominations/dates that are extremely difficult to find and hence to pay for.)

Standard Disclaimer: These are not my notes. I never show my items, and I very often don’t have examples of the stuff I show. But the important thing for any criminally inclined reading this is to know I don’t keep the stuff I do have, at home.

Obligatory PSAs and Reminders

Just two more things, my standard Public Service Announcements. We don’t want to forget them!!!

How Not To Find Yourself In Contention For The Darwin Award
(Nothing to do with bearded dragons)

It has been pointed out that all of the rioting is nominally on account of criminals who resisted arrest in one form or another, and someone suggested schools ought to teach people not to resist arrest.

Granted an “ass kicking” isn’t the same as being shot, but both can result from the same stupid act. You may ultimately beat the rap, but you aren’t going to avoid the ride.

China is Lower than Whale Shit

Remember Hong Kong!!!

Is this guy still alive?
Given the brutality of PRC prisons, maybe I should hope not.

中国是个混蛋 !!!
Zhōngguò shì gè hùndàn !!!
China is asshoe !!!

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I would love to know what he knows and what he has in mind.  🤔 

Wolf Moon



My guess is that if you knew what he knows, you could probably figure out what he has in mind.

Wolf Moon



It’s almost like he’s preparing us for something big to happen… 😂🤣😂👍


No doubt in my mind, Scott!!!


TIM – There are two other parts to this tweet – when I tried to capture them all (4) it posted only the two you posted above – ???



The FBI is going to cover up the Nashville bombing just like they covered up the Las Vegas shooting. FBI doesn’t respond to the scene of explosions. As a journalist who has worked with numerous FBI agents as sources throughout my investigations, they will tell you the same thing. ATF & bomb squad respond to explosions. Then, once an investigation occurs, FBI is later called in If it’s suspected a crime could be terrorism. The FBI is only the first on scene if they 1. Know of a terror threat ahead of time 2. They have intel that a terrorist will carry out their attack at a specific time & place 3. FBI is running a covert operation with their informants and have agents nearby in case the bust goes awry or for reinforcement if a criminal or terrorist is successfully intercepted. FBI was immediately on the scene after the bomb in Nashville went off which means they knew this bombing was going to happen & they know who did it. The FBI is lying to the public about this bombing.

— Laura Loomer LauraLoomer Saturday, December 26, 2020



by Mike Adams, Natural News

In addition to the declassification option, the Insurrection Act and the military re-vote options to secure his second term victory, President Trump has the “militia option” to save the republic.

Militias are specifically mentioned as necessary guardians of our constitutional republic in both the Second Amendment and the Insurrection Act. Most modern militia groups consist of military veterans, former law enforcement, concealed carry holders and other law-abiding citizens who are passionate about liberty and defending America against enemies, both foreign and domestic.



by Kipp Jones, Western Journal

A doctor in Northern California has been fired from his job after he co-authored a letter that questioned the science behind his county’s lockdown order.
Dr. Michael deBoisblanc was working as the trauma medical director for John Muir Health in Contra Costa County, California, until last Friday, after he questioned the scientific basis for again locking down citizens of the area.
KNTV reported that deBoisblanc wrote a letter to the county health director and board of supervisors voicing his concern regarding the continued lockdown policies prior to his dismissal.


thepianoguys #pianocello
Carol of the Bells (for 12 cellos) – The Piano Guys


#thepianoguys #pianocello
O come, O come, Emmanuel – (Piano/Cello) – The Piano Guys


Dear Qtreepers, may I ask your prayers for my Mom – she has a few days-maybe- to live. We have been taking turns with to be at her side 24/7 since Christmas eve. I am on the night shift and will be leaving shortly. She received the last rites on Christmas eve.

We love her immensely, and it will be a great loss…but I thank God for the gift of faith. …

Just looked at my subscribed feed, and this is what popped up….won’t have a chance to watch it…I hope it is good news.

Belated Merry Christmas, and all best wishes for the New Year!



I’m so sorry geneticallycatholic!
I will keep you, your mother, and your family in my prayers…for comfort and peace!!


Of course, Catholic – with you in spirit – and in prayer – be grateful you can be with her before she leaves and goes home – it is a blessing you will relish for years to come.

God go with you – Sending Comfort Angels to assist – Peace Be With You!!!

Wolf Moon



The best gift yoy are giving right now is the attention, care, and comfort that she needs.
May you find peace and strength through this time.

Wolf Moon

We are with you, as you are with her!!! 💕


May God wrap his loving arms around your Mom, you, and your family and give you the courage, comfort, and strength you need to get through the days to come. Peace be unto you GC, in Jesus’ Name, Amen. 🙏 ❤ 💞

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I pray for comfort for you and your family, and for a peaceful passing for your mom. What a blessing to both her and you that she has loving family keeping vigil with her. I agree that faith is a precious gift, and I know it will sustain you.

John 16:33 – These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.


Just remember…..and hold onto this like you do the Lord himself….

This isn’t good-bye. It’s ONLY “See you later.” <—- reread that.

And where she is headed is an IMMEASURABLY better place than here, where she undoubtedly has other family and friends to see and be with. Like her own parents and grandparents who she longs to see (and they her).

Don’t be sad as much as envious!!

It is simply her time. Nothing more.

Love never, ever dies and you WILL most certainly and surely be with her again. And the next time will be forever…in perfect joy, happiness, and gratitude.

”The sorrow of parting is necessary if we want to experience the joys of reunion. The former is nothing when compared to the latter.”

Look to the reunion that lies ahead, when you will see her in perfect health, youth, and stunning beauty. In reality, it is not that far off, even if 100 years from now.

God bless you and your family. I know he already has, he is now, and he will continue to do so.

Deplorable Patriot

Oh, I am sorry. Losing a family member at this time of year, and in these circumstances…. You will be in my prayers.


I just returned after the night shift. Thank you all for your beautiful compassionate replies. We did the 24/7 vigil for our Dad when he died years ago. Mom was praying for him (her husband) as he crossed over to eternity. It was an exhausting but blessed time. So, we children are functioning as a team, doing the same for her all

I will cherish this Christmas more than any one that has gone before: Birth of our Savior, born to die in order to purchase and offer us eternal life. Death of a beloved, who took Him up on His offer in her lifetime, and is now going to her true home. Grief and joy intermingled


G.C., so sorry about your mother and I know it is so hard, went through losing mine some years back. Prayers for you and family. Hugs.

Wolf Moon

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Wolf Moon

Yeah, not sure what’s up, but I suspect there is a lot of cleanup in people’s lives going on today.

But as for me, I’m with your last statement. Sound and fury abundant – hopefully meaningful.


I take down some decorations today plus pick up and organize. Its also time to purge the unused and worn out things around here, plus all my regular chores, and I had a migraine. Im sure most eveyone is busy.


Wolf, I think this site is worth checking out. The fallen digital soldier memorial. It sounds hokey but a base to find everyone that disappeared from platforms you might want to find again.


A Safe Place for Rational Thinking (@aspfrt) Tweeted:

The Fallen Digital Soldier Memorial


Find the Fallen
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Report Deplatforming
Deplatformed Database
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Information Sharing
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President Elect ModSquad (@Designsage) Tweeted:
@zerosum24 Rockford, Illinois is a drug-infested, dangerous crumbling town. I bet anything it’s drug related.




dr. efanzor (Parler: drefanzor) (@drefanzor) Tweeted:
New Years gift to America revealed

(by @drefanzor and @DavarEchad) https://t.co/jafI9vdKjk


Read parts of the letter here….


IMHO Verbiage like this is not at all to enlighten Mellissa Carone, but to gaslight the public, who they know will be reading it…

“You gained international infamy earlier this month as Rudy Giuliani’s so-called ‘star witness’ who could supposedly corroborate outlandish accusations that Dominion has somehow rigged or otherwise improperly influenced the outcome of the Nov. 2020 U.S. presidential election,”

““We write to you now because you have positioned yourself as a prominent leader of the ongoing misinformation campaign by pretending to have some sort of ‘insider’s knowledge’ regarding Dominion’s business activities, when in reality you were hired through a staffing agency for one day to clean glass on machines and complete other menial tasks,”

Sounds more like it was written by a sulky teenager.


It does sound like a sulky teen…as do the prolific anti MAGA tweeters, entertainers, antifa, blm, all the big mouth Dems…arrested development is a hallmark of them all

Wolf Moon

I think I see it. This is a way to make the mail-out ballot cheat EASIER to pull off.

It’s LAZY. It’s not as efficient as finding real people who won’t vote – probably because in an election like this, predicting which real voters won’t vote is HARDER, and can lead to getting caught.

So what they did was TAKE BALLOTS from real voters with common names (where it’s easy to allege a GLITCH – e.g. – duplicate names) and instead mail ballots to uniquely named fake people who were NOT THERE. THOSE ballots would be EASY TO COLLECT at the POST OFFICE!

Wow. Such a brilliant scam!

Wolf Moon

Even deeper evil beauty here. The Post Office can direct personnel to collect the bogusly addressed ballots, claiming it’s FIGHTING the fraud, when in fact collecting those ballots is PART OF THE FRAUD.

Wolf Moon

BUT WAIT – see above – I think he made an error. I’m not assuming he really knew the expected numbers of a given name. I’m from Missouri – SHOW ME!

Wolf Moon

Linda – I think this guy may have made an error. I don’t trust that he knew the expected numbers of names in states – that is not an easy number to predict.

Look at “Smith” by state:
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I think he used averages and rediscovered state discrepancies.


Eeyore over at CTH looks like he’s throwing in the towel.


“Ultimately ‘stop the steal‘ should rest upon the ability of We The People to counteract the intransigent and corrupt intent of an entitled political class. However, we are in this weird space where destroying a constitutional republic in order to save it has a larger appeal.

It seems unusual to say, and perhaps it is counter-intuitive in a traditional political sense, but President Trump could ultimately be stronger leading a 100 million person army from outside DC, against this corrupt system, than he can be while waging a war -all alone- inside a system that wants to see him destroyed. ”


Laying the psychological groundwork for acceptance for DJT to concede.

Pretending like it might be better to have private citizen Trump to lead 100 million Americans against the Deep State from the outside, with Pedo Joe in control of the government (and the military!), as opposed to Trump fighting from the highest seat of power in the land and himself having control over the United States military.

It’s times like this when it’s impossible not to believe that SD is controlled by the black hats.

He is absolutely preparing his readers to accept defeat.

If I could still post over there, I would rip him a new one, and then immediately get banned all over again… because no challenge to the management’s dogma can be tolerated… 😂🤣😂

Turning the United States government over to a known criminal and asset of the Chinese Communist Party would be an absolute act of High Treason.

Donald J. Trump is no traitor.

Reconcile. 😁


As you know, SomeDunce pisses me off no end. I don’t often agree with his take on politics. Financials, sure, but not politics. He can’t read those tea leaves well at all.


Yeah, the fill-in-the-blanks with no regard for font size and type made me nuts! I could disprove those in minutes. I think he’s in love with his own opinion.


I never even thought to test them, and I skipped a lot of them, because he got into the habit of merging new articles with (always lengthy) old articles halfway through, at which point I moved on to the next article.

If his guesses didn’t even fit available spacing, that casts doubt on everything he’s written about since his spastic overreaction to Q.

I remember there was more than a little speculation at the time that CTH was compromised.

If Drudge could be compromised, then certainly so could CTH.


I am a font and handwriting geek.

I used Photoshop to prove that one of my ancestors was a Revolutionary War veteran. There was a notation by his name on the 1840 census that was illegible. I was able to finally decipher it by using Photoshop. I used it again to play with SDs fill-in-the-blanks to see if I could prove it. The names he put in just didn’t fit.


That’s amazing, in multiple ways! 👍

Of course I’m curious… what did you determine the notation by his name was, on the 1840 census?

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So, it had been thought by some researchers that my ancestor Edward Williams was a Revolutionary War soldier, but nobody could prove it. There was even a newspaper article from about 60 years after his death in about 1845 that talked about it, but there were a lot of disbelievers. “Professional genealogists,” paid thousands of dollars, came up dry, so people accepted that. Family stories are like that, people are skeptical with good reason.

The problem with finding Rev War records for him was his name was so common, there were about five guys, same name serving in the same state.

There was a column on the 1840 census asking for Rev War Pensioner status. There was a notation there for Edward, but nobody knew what it said, and people thought it was meaningless. He was 102 years old, that part was legible. His name was readable, but there was a notation after it that was illegible.

I started looking around at other people on the same census, taken by and written by the same enumerator, who had something in that column. I found the words “under pay” by a few, which appeared to be PART OF what was by Edward’s name. This was not enough to convince the nay-sayers, because of the rest being unknown.

I eventually found individual letters in names on the census to compare to what was left of the phrase. I eventually figured out that it read in full “Edward Williams not under pay 102.”

So Edward never got a pension, but had to have served in the War, otherwise he would not have been listed as “not under pay.” After I figured that out, we knew that some of the pay records for all the Edwards belonged to him. My co-author, who had researched him for years, figured out which one he was by finding the pay records of other men who we proved he traveled and lived with over the course of his life. The families intermarried and such. There were four men, and they all served in the same unit, were all taken prisoner at Charleston, and were all found on the prisoner list of the prison ship Jersey. The accounts of that ship are some of the most horrible things I have ever read.

So there you have it. Lots of description for one question, but it really was a big deal. Edward Williams was recognized as a Patriot by the DAR as a result of the work done by my co-author.


“There was a notation there for Edward, but nobody knew what it said, and people thought it was meaningless. He was 102 years old, that part was legible. His name was readable, but there was a notation after it that was illegible.”


Before I read the rest, I wouldn’t have thought it was meaningless at all.

If there were multiple people with his name in the same state, he was more aware of that than anyone, and as a pensioner, he would have been aware of the need to distinguish himself somehow from the others with the same name.

People with common names deal with this problem all the time, and by age 102, I’m sure he learned some tricks 😁

So I’m going to guess the illegible part was his regiment or his unit number, or the initials for his unit’s name.

Now I’ll read the rest…


That is fascinating!

What I was thinking (in my other post) would have been too easy 😂

Great work, Aubergine! 👍


Thanks! *Blushes*


Whenever we ought to have encouragement, he always finds a way to drag his readers down.

He’s remarkably consistent.

It’s the opposite of leadership.

He may not want to be a leader, and if so, I can understand that. But when you have spent 10+ years developing a readership of 500,000+ people, you’re a leader whether you want to be, or not.

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This kind of behavior is demoralizing. I would far rather be encouraged than Eeyore’d, even if it turns bad in the end.

Especially now, when the President is asking us for help. Demoralized people don’t travel 1000s of miles to protest in the winter cold.


Maybe we should send him a copy of Tea Leaf Reading for Dummies.



Wolf Moon

I think Sundance is saying the same thing we are – he’s just pussy-footing around how radical it’s going to be.


SD is just saying it VEWY VEWY GENTWY like Tweety Bird.


“SD is just saying it VEWY VEWY GENTWY like Tweety Bird.”


When did timidity ever win the day?

Or encourage anyone to victory?

Timid: “Consider mildly rebuking those self-propelled oblong objects.”

Not timid: “Damn the Torpedoes!





Turning the United States government over to a known criminal and asset of the Chinese Communist Party would be an absolute act of High Treason.

Yes. This statement…

President Trump could ultimately be stronger leading a 100 million person army from outside DC, against this corrupt system, than he can be while waging a war -all alone- inside a system that wants to see him destroyed. 

…completely ignores Pres. Trump’s duty — as the commander in chief and as the president who swore to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution — to protect this country from fraud, infiltration, tyranny, treason, and all enemies. The election is not about which political party gets in office. The war is upon us, and Pres. Trump knows he has a duty to act now. I believe he knows a lot more than that and has much more planned, as well.

Wolf Moon

Read carefully between Sundance’s lines. I think he’s saying this.


Well that’s just it.

He has what, half a million or a million readers?

On the eve of D-Day, we shouldn’t have to guess or read between the lines of anything.

You don’t sow doubt in the minds of the People at the precipice of victory.

If that’s the best he’s going to do, it would be better if he didn’t say anything at all.

Wolf Moon

He should have been much blunter, IMO.


That occurred to me, but I don’t see the need to say it the way he did. I don’t agree with his prior sentence:

However, we are in this weird space where destroying a constitutional republic in order to save it has a larger appeal.

I do not see people trying to save the republic by destroying it. I only see people trying to save it Constitutionally, and others trying to destroy it extra-Constitutionally. The latter care nothing for the Constitution or the republic.

Patriots are doing everything possible NOT to destroy the country and would take drastic measures only as a last resort. We are not, IMO, in the “weird space” he alludes to.

Wolf Moon

You may disagree with SD’s wording RE “destroying to save” – and I do as well – but not all of us see going to increasingly non-civilian options as strictly “Constitutional”, so I simply make an allowance for this disagreement of viewpoint and terminology, and then everything he is saying makes sense as being what I would expect from MAGA.

I personally agree with him that we are in a very weird space, but I (like you) disagree with him that it is “destroying a Constitutional republic”. That’s really an academic argument, however, IMO.

The left certainly knows that they want to PAINT anything Trump does that they don’t like as un-Constitutional. Methinks they may have battered SD a bit with this line of attack over time, and he suffers an “Alinsky fear” of moving to next steps.

Wolf Moon

YUP. I think you have stated the fundamental problem right there. Being between the Insurrection Act and the Second Amendment is pretty much near the exit procedure of the program, if not actually IN IT.


It sounds like you and Steve are both painting yourselves into a legalistic corner, and I don’t know why.

In 1861, Abraham Lincoln suspended the writ of habeas corpus after declaring a state of martial law, arguing that the [then] unprecedented measure was necessary to help the Union Army win the Civil War.”

Lincoln did that in a war that was against fellow Americans.

And the Union Army certainly didn’t desert him over it!

How much more so might Lincoln have done, if we had been under invasion by a foreign adversary, rather than a domestic one?

In the War of 1812, did the British defeat themselves?

Did the townspeople defeat the British?

Or did the United States military, on U.S. soil, defeat the invading British?

What is different now, except the enemy is China (plus a multitude of traitors and enemy combatants within and without), and instead of landing on the beaches, they came in through airports with travel visas and embedded themselves in society before attempting to overthrow the United States?

How many Acts of War does China and the Deep State have to commit, before it’s okay to defend ourselves?

Are we not myopically debating over the letter of the Constitution — as opposed to the spirit and purpose of the Constitution — while the Republic — for which it was written to protect — is in danger of being lost?

To borrow an old expression, is that not Fiddling whilst Rome burns?

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Wolf Moon

OK. THAT makes sense.


Maybe I’m getting better, the longer I work at it… 😂 🤣 😂

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“The problem is going to be a lot of people in the military whose oaths are to the Constitution, not the DOI.”


The military knows better than anyone the Treason of the Deep State and the criminality of Joe Biden.

Is the C_A giving the President reliable information?

Is the FIB giving the President reliable information?

Are ANY of the civilian intelligence agencies giving the President reliable information?

We know that the military, despite Hussein’s best efforts, has not been compromised.

So it is military intelligence that is giving the President reliable information.

Ergo, the President doesn’t have to persuade the military with regard to who the enemy is, or what needs to be done to save the Republic.

The military knew it before the President did.

The military is briefing the President, not the other way around! 😁


“I don’t think of the non-civilian options as Constitutional, because the Constitution itself doesn’t say it’s OK to overthrow the civil authorities by violence, even if they got there via corrupt mechanisms.”


Does the President not have a Constitutional duty to protect and defend the United States?

If the CCP army storms the beaches of Florida and California, does the President not have an obligation and a duty to utilize the military to defend and protect our country from invasion?

Isn’t that obvious and undeniable?

Then how much more so is the President authorized and obligated to utilize the military to save the Republic, if the enemy is ALREADY inside the gates?

I truly don’t understand why this concept is so difficult to comprehend.

The only way it makes sense is if people ascribe God-like attributes to the Constitution, but only to the LETTER and not at all to the SPIRIT or even the PURPOSE.

It’s purpose is to protect our Rights (Bill of Rights), to establish a national civil government to serve US, and to protect and defend the the Union, the United States.

If it is no longer doing that, if the nation has been infiltrated like the occupants of a Trojan Horse, and now enemy combatants have embedded themselves throughout the Republic, should we just surrender because the Constitution doesn’t explicitly say the CiC can use the military to restore order (and save the Republic in the process)?!?

Is that the bar set by the Constitution, i.e., that if the enemy can just figure out a way to get inside our borders, then it’s olly olly in-come-free, the game is over, and the enemy wins?

In such a scenario, does the Constitution prevent the Commander in Chief from confronting the enemy, thereby rewarding the enemy with uncontested victory for their ingenuity and duplicity?

Isn’t that patently absurd?

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“You may disagree with SD’s wording RE “destroying to save” – and I do as well – but not all of us see going to increasingly non-civilian options as strictly “Constitutional” ”


This is exactly the crux of the problem that so many either don’t want to address, or do address without thinking through the consequences.

Everyone wants to preserve the Constitution, if that is possible.

So here is a hypothetical.

IF we get to a point where we can save the Constitution OR we can save the Republic, but we CAN’T save both, then which do we choose to save?

The answer is simple, unless we never thought it through.

A Republic without a Constitution can create a new one.

A Constitution without a Republic, can’t.

The Constitution is not a suicide pact.

It was not written to box us into a position where we lose the Republic and/or we all die.

If the Constitution is ever manipulated in such a way that we are boxed into a position where if we follow it, we lose the Republic and/or we all die, then by definition, the Constitution is no longer binding.

Our obligation is to save the Republic at all costs.

If the Republic is lost, then what good is the Constitution, without the Republic for which it stood?

Wolf Moon

Good reasoning!


Thank you! 😂🤣😂

Wolf Moon


SD repeats several times that we’re not going to accept a Biden presidency. He just avoids saying it as explicitly as I am right now.




Then he should have said THAT instead 😁

Wolf Moon



I’ve always seen SD as a poor writer with good information.

SD twists simple information into Gordian Knots. I’ve always tried to read what he wrote, but then gone to the comments to unravel it. Combining the insights of the commenters is where I came to understanding. I think he is trying to sound “smart.” That’s an impediment to clarity, IMO.

It reminds me of the book “The Bridges of Madison County.” The story was SO GOOD, but it was so badly written, it was atrocious. When turned into a film, it was award-winning.

Wolf Moon

YES!!! Amen!


This is an interesting point to ponder along with all the other irregularities in this election.



The democrats took over US strategic entry to our country and sold us out?


Knew there was something strange bout that rv.

SirWilliamScott (@SirWilliamScot5) Tweeted:
@PepeMatter #WarnerDidntKillHimself https://t.co/94ZwQolts7


Wolf Moon



Some of us here on Q-tree are twisted and demented. And funny.


If only the bomber had been creative enough to make his van look like Epstein’s Temple!

That kind of in-your-face mockery would have done far more damage to the Deep State narrative than the bomb itself ever could. 👍

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Wolf Moon

Once again proving that violence is the last resort of the incompetent!

Or stated differently:

“Never blow yourself or your target up, before mocking them with the Epstein Van.”


“Once again proving that violence is the last resort of the incompetent!”


But it’s the first resort of government 3-letter agencies.

Because it’s very effective, and they don’t have to worry about being prosecuted.


“Never blow yourself or your target up, before mocking them with the Epstein Van.”


Almost like a proverb 😁

Valerie Curren

Harris celebrating/congratulating people on Kwanza but video ends w/ this website

BuildBackBetter DOT gov

Isn’t .gov only for Official Government business? So who is using the world dominion phrase as US gov business?



I wonder if she knows Kwanza was culturally appropriated from an FBI asset?

So Heels-High Harris is celebrating a holiday that was invented and promoted by an FBI stooge in the 1960s when the FBI was infiltrating radical black terrorist groups. 😂 🤣 😂

Happy Kwanzaa! The Holiday Brought to You By the FBI
Posted: Dec 24, 2019

Ann Coulter (excerpt): “Kwanzaa, celebrated exclusively by white liberals, is a fake holiday invented in 1966 by black radical/FBI stooge Ron Karenga — aka Dr. Maulana Karenga, founder of United Slaves, the violent nationalist rival to the Black Panthers. Liberals have become so mesmerized by multicultural gibberish that they have forgotten the real history of Kwanzaa and Karenga’s United Slaves.

In what was ultimately a foolish gambit, during the madness of the ’60s, the FBI encouraged the most extreme black nationalist organizations in order to discredit and split the left. The more preposterous the group, the better. (It’s the same function MSNBC serves today.)

By that criterion, Karenga’s United Slaves was perfect.

Despite modern perceptions that blend all the black activists of the ’60s, the Black Panthers did not hate whites. Although some of their most high-profile leaders were drug dealers and murderers, they did not seek armed revolution.

Those were the precepts of Karenga’s United Slaves. The United Slaves were proto-fascists, walking around in dashikis, gunning down Black Panthers and adopting invented “African” names. (I will not be shooting any Black Panthers this week because I am Kwanzaa-reform, and we are not that observant.)

It’s as if David Duke invented a holiday called “Anglika,” which he based on the philosophy of “Mein Kampf” — and clueless public schoolteachers began celebrating the made-up, racist holiday.”

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Valerie Curren

LOL…I knew it was a fake made up holiday but didn’t know the FIB ties–pathetic!

Valerie Curren

Looks like doggy “nose”

for Steve, silly meme w a dog’s nose close up covered w/ sprinkles feigning innocence
& not knowing where the Christmas cookies went 🙂

Valerie Curren

De-platformed for sharing doctors & scientists calming CV fears

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***Ian Lyne
Dec 24


My previous channel was also deleted, after I uploaded a video of two whistleblowers from OSHA, speaking out about the negative health effects of face masks.

Here’s a clip from the video that “broke the camel’s back” this time.

Please RT

There is a 2 minute video that ends w/ copies of the justification for removal for violating community standards (very similar to the notice I got from Pinterest, which I haven’t yet attempted to appeal)…


Valerie Curren

2 min clip of a Trump Rally in Japan!!!

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If you don’t think the HOLE WORLD knows what’s at stake with our election, I give you a Trump Rally …. IN JAPAN! Seriously, they know it, YOU and I know it, this is an EPIC battle between Good vs Evil. What an AWESOME time to be alive

I removed a couple emojis also…


Valerie Curren

Pompeo comms? Looks like panda faces to me on the perimeter of the cloth…

Wolf Moon

Second Corinthians – 3:17

Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

Wolf Moon

2017 Australian red wine!

Valerie Curren

Amen! Liberty for me AND for thee!!!

Wolf Moon

Gotta tell you, reading 2 Corinthians 2, I almost have to think that Bezmenov was deeply studied to create the Q op.

Valerie Curren

How so?

Wolf Moon

One of Bezmenov’s key counteractions to Marxism was religion, and as a specific example Christianity, although Falun Gong works, too.

Recall that the Q op cited Corinthians frequently.

Here is the end of 2 Cor 2. 17 is especially noteworthy.

14 But thanks be to God, who always leads us as captives in Christ’s triumphal procession and uses us to spread the aroma of the knowledge of him everywhere. 15 For we are to God the pleasing aroma of Christ among those who are being saved and those who are perishing. 16 To the one we are an aroma that brings death; to the other, an aroma that brings life. And who is equal to such a task? 17 Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit. On the contrary, in Christ we speak before God with sincerity, as those sent from God.

Valerie Curren

17! Thanks Wolf 🙂 God Bless You!!!

Wolf Moon

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