Dear KMAG: 20210131 Open Topic

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The Storm is upon us.
Please remember to Pray for our President.


And,


On this day and every day –

God is in Control
. . . and His Grace is Sufficient, so . . .
Keep Looking Up


Hopefully, every Sunday, we can find something here that will build us up a little . . . give us a smile . . . and add some joy or peace, very much needed in all our lives.

“This day is holy to the Lord your God;
do not mourn nor weep.” . . .
“Go your way, eat the fat, drink the sweet,
and send portions to those for whom nothing is prepared;
for this day is holy to our Lord.
Do not sorrow,
for the joy of the Lord is your strength.”

Hope, the Anchor of My Soul

Many people are talking and writing about hope these days, mostly in the context of whether or not President Trump has a plan in process that will take back our country from a corrupt, incompetent usurper that has, with the help of foreign countries and, in this country corrupt courts, corrupt political parties, and corrupt financial backers, conducted a fraudulent election.

Whether President Trump is conducting a secret plan or not, however, is not the paramount hope patriotic Americans hold for our country. Our paramount hope is the hope that the control of our country is torn from the hands of these corrupt traitors as soon as possible and that our country, even more so than before, becomes one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all with a government that is truly of the people, by the people and for the people.

All patriotic Americans should be firmly united in this hope.

As Christians, we also have a paramount hope that we who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that [Jesus] has died as a ransom to set [us] free from [our] sin. (Hebrews 9:15) We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure. (Hebrews 6:19)

But hope, as defined and used in God’s Word, differs in meaning, and sometimes in usage, from the common use of hope in the English language. In the Christian sense, our hope is a joyful and confident expectation of what is sure (certain), eternal salvation and life eternal in Christ. (Strong’s Concordance and Thayer’s Greek Lexicon)

In most instances in the New Testament, the word hope is the Greek elpis/elpizo. Again, there’s no doubt attached to this word. Biblical hope is a confident expectation or assurance based on a sure foundation for which we wait with joy and full confidence. In other words, “There’s no doubt about it!”

One of the verses in which we find the word hope is Hebrews 11:1. “Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.” This verse at the beginning of the faith chapter (Hebrews 11) carries with it all of the confidence that comes with knowing for sure, with no question, what we’ve been promised by God in His Word. Our faith is confident assurance, for it is founded on the Rock of our salvation, the Lord Jesus Christ.

Biblical hope is a reality and not a feeling. Biblical hope carries no doubt. Biblical hope is a sure foundation on which we base our lives, believing that God always keeps His promises.

Hope or confident assurance can be ours when we trust the words, “He who believes on Me has everlasting life” (John 6:47). Accepting that gift of eternal life means our hope is no longer filled with doubt but, rather, has as its sure foundation the whole of God’s Word, the entirety of God’s character, and the finished work of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Some exerpts from *https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-hope.html


My hope is built on nothing less
Than Jesus’ blood and righteousness;
I dare not trust the sweetest frame,
But wholly lean on Jesus’ name.

When darkness veils His lovely face,
I rest on His unchanging grace;
In every high and stormy gale,
My anchor holds within the veil.

His oath, His covenant, His blood,
Support me in the whelming flood;
When all around my soul gives way,
He then is all my hope and stay.

When He shall come with trumpet sound,
Oh, may I then in Him be found;
In Him, my righteousness, alone,
Faultless to stand before the throne.

On Christ, the solid Rock, I stand;
All other ground is sinking sand,
All other ground is sinking sand.

Edward Mote (1797-1874)


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pgroup2

Are you ready to r-u-m-b-l-e?

Must wear a mask and observe social distancing.

Kinda screws up the rumble, eh?

TheseTruths

And that is the purpose. Resist we much, LOL.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I’m ready to RUMBLE!!!

https://www.theqtree.com/2021/01/30/oann-videos-now-on-rumble/

For instance, THIS ONE!!!

TheseTruths

I love the King James Version of Hebrews 11:1.

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

cthulhu

I belong to a tropical fish club. We pay dues, which are used to (among other things) bring in speakers to talk about fish. Through this, we gain a better appreciation of the natural world.

There are two species of fish that both live in slow-moving rivers at about four feet of depth near the bank. Their coloration is identical, their form is identical — they are found in the same place in the same rivers. If you do a DNA test, they are not very related. You can dissect them with a microscope and absolutely tell one from the other.

If you want to separate them while alive, however, you have to startle them in their native habitat. One will immediately seek deeper water, while the other bolts to the shallows. That’s the ONLY WAY to tell them apart while alive.

We can contemplate it for an entire lifetime, and the wonder of creation never palls.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

That is some serious convergent evolution there.

cthulhu

Yeah, it’s hilarious. The fish are in different genera and at far ends of DNA trees…..which you can only see when they’re dead. It’s a weird paradox left in plain sight — is it Divine Providence that this was left in Creation as an Inside joke, or is this wild coincidence supposed to favor a mechanistic evolution?

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Well this is the sort of thing evolution would actually predict under certain circumstances.

There are, on the other hand, a lot of things in the natural world that do not make sense if you posit an intelligent designer, unless you also posit he deliberately flubbed things. You can’t prove ID is wrong with these but they should make anyone say hmmm. And having two distantly related things look so much alike on the outside because they’re in the same ecological niche is actually one of them, if you step back and think about it. Why do it that way? Why have two redundant species from totally different genera like that? (This is by no means the wackiest example of things that make little apparent sense with ID as the postulate, by the way.)

TheseTruths

How do we know that that’s a flub? There could be reasons for such a thing that we are not yet aware of.  🐠 

I would never presume to say that the “intelligent designer” flubbed things because, as his created being, I can’t evaluate him by my limited knowledge and logic. Human beings are flawed, and scientists have been wrong many times.

Hoofhearted

I too, once thought that I would need to understand all things before I could accept such things. However,If right /wrong, good/bad, flubbed/not flubbed is not interprateted by the “intelligent designer”, how else can they be distinquished? How would we know it was flubbed. By what standard are they to be measured? There are many things that I do not understand, today,otherwise it would not be by “faith”.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

That argument could justify literally anything.

It’s a lot less complicated to assume a natural process that explains it perfectly–which it does–than it is to assume a designer who did something totally inscrutable for no reason apparent to us.

Like I said there are many, many cases like this in the natural world, and this is by no means the most head-scratching “why did He do it this way” one for someone who holds to the intelligent design hypothesis.

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I see the “room for error” in evolution as a beautiful feature, not a bug, but I find that a hard sell to almost everybody!  😉 

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

It’s not a “bug” I agree, but it can create some astounding kludges.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Jumbo shrimp are real! 😉

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Well this is the sort of thing evolution would actually predict under certain circumstances.


I will get to that in a second, because the evolutionary explanation has some icing on top of the cake, IMO.

I cringe at “ID” because I was around for the emergence of the creationism faction described in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design_movement. Calling what THEY were doing “intelligent design” was a really ambitious over-naming of a very BAD theory of “dodgy statistical assertions about biochemistry prove God”, which I almost can’t even call a theory, because what it really says is “things which seem mathematically unlikely on a biochemistry level, as shown by whatever knowledge I have right now, prove God”. And then shifting goalposts ensue, as each “unlikelihood” is eventually explained. That’s not just a pseudo-science – that’s inherently anti-science. It’s Morris and Gish hiding out at the quantum object level, and in the math section of the store.

Moreover, I found such diversion of religious questions in the wrong direction to be “deceived” and even anti-religious.

All it really is at a higher level, IMO, is a reframing of pre-Darwinian “proof by awe” to a mathematical biochemistry level, limiting the “awe” to “be amazed at this minor unlikelihood by current knowledge”. HUGE error, not just scientifically, but theologically.

As Feynman said, there’s a lot of room at the bottom, and that includes room for bad theories and assertions.

Awe is a great way to find faith, but it’s a lot easier to find awe by observing the magnificence and explanatory power of evolution, and thinking deeply about how our reality emerges so smartly, workably, and beautifully through natural laws, than by arguing with it.

And you get awe and faith in SCIENCE, too, for FREE, at the same time!  😃  What a deal! LOL.

Thus, I find “intelligent design” as a metaphysical assertion (what most people still mean) to be unchanged since prehistory, and still nearly a tautology for “there is an intelligent abstraction we can call God associated with creation”.

In contrast, “intelligent design” as the biochemical successor to 1970’s creationism is thoroughly refuted just on “continuous disproof”, IMO, and it’s only because the biochemically erroneous “theory” was so intentionally and grandiosely over-named, that people conflate the two.

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scott467

I missed the evidence for macro-evolution in the fossil record. There should be a lot of it. Where did it go?

I was thinking maybe probably the scientist who created the Piltdown Man fraud musta hid it… or something… 😁

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Just spotted this.

That “scientist” was Sir Arthur Conan Doyle and if there’s an afterlife I’m going to go kneecap him, though he’s a lot further down the list than a lot of frauds I want to get to first.

What would you accept as fossil evidence for macro-evolution? That’s a question in earnest.

What we have in the fossil record is a timeline of species appearing and going extinct in a sequence that strongly suggests that macro evolution happened, but there’s no complete progression, generation by generation showing the evolution of one species from individuals that are part of another. When you see something like Archaeopteryx that had bird like features, before anything else did, but also had dinosaur like features, it’s a strong inference that it was a transitional species between a certain sub-group of dinosaurs (close relatives of T-Rex, albeit much smaller) and the birds we see around us today. But you don’t get to see the twenty intermediate steps between the T-rex-like dinosaur (in fact, we probably don’t have that dinosaur either) and Archaeopteryx, nor the twenty steps between archaeopteryx and the first thing that you’d say was absolutely a bird.

Such a find–or more accurately, series of finds–would be astounding because fossilization is quite rare. In order to become a fossil, a critter has to die and not be eaten, either by predators, scavengers, or just the sorts of bacteria that cause decomposition. Basically, it has to be buried alive or fall into an anaerobic bog. To have that happen over and over again during a speciation would be, say, about as unlikely as a hundred thousand people all voting for Joe Biden.

The fossil record is more like being in a dark room and someone occasionally takes a flash photo. If you see two of those photos and some guy hasn’t moved, one photo to the next, you can infer that he stayed still. If someone shows up in only one photo, you can’t tell whether he moved somewhere else right after the picture was taken (or stopped moving just before).

Similarly, if you see the same species twice, five million years apart, you can infer it wasn’t evolving (it would be ridiculously unlikely, 100000 Biteme vote unlikely, to have changed to something else then changed back, so my flash bulb in a dark room analogy starts to fall apart). But if you see a species at precisely ONE point in time, you don’t know if it was “stable” or in a period of rapid change. Rapid change, of course, would be caused by ending up in a rapidly changing environment very suddenly, then it must adapt or die.

Even a well-preserved fossil, though, is problematic. I’ve noticed paleontologists prefer to talk of genuses, rather than species, as if they just don’t expect the fine granularity that would allow them to distinguish between closely related species. Or maybe they just figure they won’t find all the species but could distinguish if they did. I’m uncertain which one. (I know with regards to our immediate ancestors, there’s a tendency to declare something to be a different, new species, because that’s where the fame comes from; oftentimes a couple of decades later in the light of additional evidence, they decide it wasn’t. It’s an iterative process of processing evidence; they can’t look in the back of the book (or the front of it either) for the answer.)

And the notion of a species is a bit problematic too, to be honest. If you look at a slice of time, e.g., the present, you can distinguish species, but evolution is enough of a gradual process that you simply would not be able to go to a specific point in time and say “before this, it was species A, after this it’s species B,” because the differences between succeeding generations are so slight…every offspring can successfully interbreed with the prior generation, and usually the dividing line between species is drawn where they cannot interbreed and produce fertile offspring. But whether you could interbreed with people who were around, say, 200,000 years ago is another matter, even if you have an unbroken line of descent from them.
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(That looks tiny; I strongly urge you to click on that and read it.)

That illustrates the difficulty. Imagine picking five letters at random from that. Just from the way random choices tend to work, you’d likely see a couple of groups close enough together you’d likely decide they were essentially the same color, but different enough from each other that you’d see two different species with no intermediate forms.

As I said the fossil record strongly suggests macro evolution but if you want it to provide a movie of one species evolving into another, it’s not going to happen. But it does provide a coarse grained movie of the larger picture of entire development of vertebrate life (as well as many other phyla, but it’s almost completely limited to creatures that have hard parts like bones and shells or wood).

But the simple fact of the matter is that fixating on fossils is not going to prove evolution (it could in principle disprove it, but such has not happened) and every evolutionist knows this. But they make the claim that even if there weren’t a single fossil anywhere, they’d have enough evidence to know evolution was true anyway. Darwin (the naturalist, not the lizard) used no fossils. And what’s more, lines of evidence he had no access to, like genetics and differences in molecular biology, confirm it. That’s a powerful, very likely true theory if additional evidence is consistent with it. The ancestral “tree” of life looked very much the same taken from genetics as it did from simply looking at structure of extant organisms (there are a few differences, but it’s down to the level of correcting typos). In fact the differing lines of evidence support each other to such an extent that the chances of it being wrong are about the same as 100,000 votes all being for Biteme. ‘

Who, I hasten to add, did not win.

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TheseTruths

I have not studied the various theories in depth and have a very simplistic view. There is a Creator, God (the “intelligent designer”) who clearly allows nature to take its course on this earth. Otherwise, we would not have natural disasters that wipe out whole villages, and we would not have disease and murder and all the things that human beings must deal with. We were never promised a perfect life here.

By the same token, if that “Intelligent designer” sees fit for some evolution of species to occur, so be it. IMO, it is not a zero sum game where an “ID” has to have done things according to OUR limited knowledge and logic, or therefore there was no “ID.”

I don’t have to know everything, because I CAN’T know everything. Faith is a precious gift.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Amen!

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

There is, from what I have seen, a broad spectrum of opinons held by believers of just how engaged deities (or a deity) is involved in day-to-day happenings (and this isn’t confined to Christians or even monotheists, which is why I phrased that the way I did–from here forward I’ll assume Yahweh/God for conciseness). At one end, there are the people who believe God is involved in literally every little thing that goes on in the world including natural disasters (they have to justify those by saying they’re necessary to God’s plan), it’s sometimes called “no sparrow shall fall.” At the other end of the possibilities God is almost completely disengaged from what is going on though He started the universe up. I doubt any Christian believes that latter (it would suggest, for instance, not sending prophets and the Son here), but that’s basically what Deism was all about. (And contrary to a lot of fashionable lies on the Right, many of the Founders were Deists and therefore not Christian.)

[Actually the real terminus of the spectrum on that side is those who don’t believe there’s a God who can be involved at all, but then, I limited this to believers.]

You seem to be somewhere in the middle of that spectrum, unless I am grievously misunderstanding you.

The folks in the No Sparrow Shall Fall school, if they were honest about it (and some are) would have to acknowledge that God sure went out of his way to make it LOOK like the world is moving along just fine without His constant intervention; and I am not just talking about evolution here.

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I think that symmetry is just beautiful. Emmy Noether herself would probably cry at the combination of conservation on most features but mirror symmetry on one complex behavior.

I immediately ask the question – which is easier and more effective, for one or more unknown reasons? To have two gene pools dart randomly up or down the gradient, or to “divide the labor” genetically? And is it then in fact a kind of finely tuned detector of signal vs noise in symbiosis?

“You go left – I’ll go right – and we’ll lose these chumps!”

This is the beauty of evolution – it opens up such great questions. It’s just LOGIC.

Chris

This possibility allows for half the species to continue to exist.. and from Adams rib.. what’s next?

Faith and Hope
Indomitable
Who am I to question why?
It all fits

Elizabeth Carter

Excellent article. It is always best to Trust God and Stand Firm.

They are trying to entrap President Trump again.

Five of Trump’s Impeachment Lawyers Leave Defense Team 9 Days Before Senate Trial
By Cristina Laila Published January 30, 2021 at 9:25pm

excerpt.
A person familiar with the departures told CNN that Trump wanted the attorneys to argue there was mass election fraud and that the election was stolen from him rather than focus on the legality of convicting a president after he’s left office.

Five of Trump’s Impeachment Lawyers Leave Defense Team 9 Days Before Senate Trial (thegatewaypundit.com)

If Trump says he is a President that has left office, then that would be a concession speech. He is not stupid. He knows exactly what they are doing.
It is good that these treasonous lawyers involved resigned.
I would love to see President Trump represent himself Pro Se. He is smarter and more experienced than 95% of the lawyers he could ever hire.
That would be the most exciting and entertaining legal battle in the world.
I think he could probably bring Sidney Powell as a military lawyer to present the election fraud evidence. She has studied it at length. So has Trump.
None of the state or federal courts would allow him to present evidence of election fraud to defend himself. This would be the perfect venue to present the evidence.
He should not make the argument at all that they can’t impeach him because he left office. He did not leave office. They attempted a Coup. That is not a concession. If I lie and you swear to it, that does not make it true. Fraud vitiates everything.
We could replay the impeachment hearing for entertainment for years. It could be used for training in law schools.
This would be a great opportunity for L. Lin Wood to start his own Law School.
Rudy Giuliani could do the Rico tracking and handle the asset forfeiture requirements.
President Trump is more than capable of handling this without the DC Swamp’s legal advice. He knows how to win and never betrays others for his personal gain.
No Compromise. Trump wins. They lose.
MAGA

TheseTruths

Spot on.^^^
So even his lawyers are trying to railroad him into a tacit concession. I’m glad they’re gone, and I hope he gets some fire-eating attorneys who will tell the liars and frauds in Congress how the cow ate the cabbage.

singingsoul1

If the House is accusing Trump in his impeachment that he mislead people in believing the votes were stolen then he must defend that notion and not only fight the illegality of the impeachment.
Maybe that is the whole deal concerning impeachment that by Trump defending himself that a past president out of office cannot be impeached?
This is a dilemma for Trump.

TheseTruths

I could be wrong, but I don’t think the House addressed the election in its impeachment. I think they impeached him for “inciting an insurrection,” or something like that. They probably carefully avoided the election, knowing that he could and would bring in tons of evidence about fraud.

You are right that it is a dilemma. He can’t concede, but a defense against conviction would be that he is no longer in office.

IMO he needs to expose the root of everything, which is the stolen election, but I know they will do everything in their power to stop that from happening.

I imagine lawyers are advising him on a certain defense to keep him from being convicted, because that would prevent his ever holding office again. But if such a defense looks the other way and ignores that the election was stolen, then it’s more business as usual with the Dems taking complete control of his and our lives. I pray that he will have the right team and that they will know what is best and prevail.

patfrederick

CNN has a copy of the charging document and it says:

President Trump repeatedly issued false statements asserting that the Presidential election results were the product of widespread fraud and should not be accepted by the American people or certified by State opr Federal officials.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/11/politics/house-articles-of-impeachment/index.html

TheseTruths

Wow, I didn’t realize that; thanks! Then he definitely has every right to bring in election fraud, and it must be heard, or it’s even more of a railroad job than we already know.

singingsoul1

Prayers and hopefully this is a wrong alarm that lawyers left! Lawyers also being doxed that is so dangerous to our system.

Linda

This impeachment is such a sham and so illegal and so devoid of any evidence, that I almost think he should totally ignore it. John Roberts is ignoring it, so it’s not constitutional. Let them all hang themselves. (I’m being figurative if any clowns in America are reading).

JasonD

Nah, he’ll march right into the lions den and stare them down. Cowards always blink first.

Covadonga

Is Roberts ignoring it so as not to acknowledge that Trump has not yet left office?

In other words, just as Mr. Trump does not want to state that he has left office, perhaps Roberts is trying (yet again) to hose him, this time by the legal tactic of claiming that T has already left office at the end of his term.

patfrederick

I may be wrong, but it was my understanding that the Chief Justice ONLY presides when a President is impeached…other government officials CAN BE impeached but it does NOT require the CJ to preside…
since Roberts does not consider REALPOTUS President anymore, the coward has found an out to exploit

duchess01

If I were Roberts, I would not want to show my face anywhere – let alone in Congress at a fake impeachment trial.

patfrederick

he has no honor…he is full of himself.

duchess01

And Dastardly Dirty – I suspect he will be publicly embarrassed and forced to step down!!!

singingsoul1

Roberts is doing the right thing but should say so. He is walking a fine line does not get into the politics of this fake impeachment.
This is a political theater not judicial.

duchess01

He is in more trouble than just refusing to take part in this impeachment scam, Sing – that is to what I was referring.

singingsoul1

Yes he has problems.

para59r

Although it looks like Roberts is doing the right thing, its for the wrong reason thus Roberts is not going to say anything to that effect.
We know Roberts well enough now that he can’t be trusted.
Roberts is saving his ammo so that he can rule any actions stemming from the impeachment as constitutional.
Why would he sacrifice his vote on the SC by subjecting to himself to having to recuse himself in this matter when he knows any donkey can sit up at the bench and conduct the impeachment trial.
Roberts is simply staying several steps ahead by handing off the job he is supposed to do himself to another flunky so he can be a deciding vote on the entire matter.

RF121

The SC has already essentially said impeachment is a political process and not for the courts to be involved with.

Hoofhearted

Well said. Without using the venue of the corrupted courts to get evidence on record for the criminal activities of a coup, then there would be no purpose in bothering to go thru this charade. It’s not just to show that it’s not legal to impeach a non sitting President…everyone already knows that. The purpose is to expose his enemies in a way that can not be denied.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

BETRAYERS ON ALL SIDES!!! A CURSE ON THEM ALL!!!

singingsoul1

Every time I get angry about the whole elections and impeachment this thought floats through my mind
” Vengeance are Mine says the Lord.” I do not even recall where in the Bible it is written. That sentence puts me back into peace and puts things in perspective.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Romans 12:19 says “For it is written, vengeance is mine” which indicates Paul is referencing older scripture, and that is apparently Deuteronomy 32:35 (which doesn’t phrase it in exactly the same way, at least not in my translation).

There’s something similar in Hebrews 10:30 as well.

singingsoul1

Thank you. Sooner or later everyone stands before god to be judged. Their own realization how evil theyhave been will bring them to their knees be fore God.

GA/FL

At GWP – commenters are congratulating real and rightful PDJT for getting rid of the wusses.

Sidney Powell is still in the fight and not giving up!
https://t.me/SidneyPowell/169

“Please know that we are still working on multiple fronts at http://www.DefendingTheRepublic.org  
We have an important case in Michigan begun by Matt Deperno, our lawyers are working on the issues in Arizona, and we are still active in Georgia where there is an important case. We will not give up. There was massive fraud in this election on many fronts, and we will continue to work to expose it all. We are working on additional cases too as more evidence comes to our attention. 
We must deal with the reality we face. It is up to #WeThePeople to #DefendTheRepublic and #RestoreTheRepublic. Our work has barely begun.”  

Sidney

patfrederick

the dems left that avenue open (albeit perhaps foolishly in their haste to impeach) when they included mention of election fraud in their charging documents.

singingsoul1

I read someplace, maybe here, that the lead lawyer is a friend of Lindsey Graham.
Maybe it was Robert Barnes on the podcast.

TheseTruths

Some Telegram posts from Lin Wood:

I have publicly stated that Georgia Governor Brian Kemp and/or his business partners have received illegal kickbacks in connection with the purchase of Dominion voting machines and Covid medical supplies from CCP. 

I challenge Kemp to sue me for defamation. I made the accusation almost 2 months ago. No lawsuit yet. 

Is Kemp to busy promoting CCP businesses in Georgia to vindicate his reputation in court? 

Or does he know he cannot meet his legal burden of proving that my accusations are false?

Maybe Kemp got some of his cronies at the State Bar of Georgia to falsely impugn my reputation by demanding a mental health care examination based on my exercise of my right of free speech. 

Inquiring minds want to know.
__________

Oh, and don’t forget that I also raised the question of whether Kelly Loeffler paid off some of Governor Brian Kemp’s significant debts in return for being appointed to the U.S. Senate. 

I think I ruffled some feathers in the Georgia “good old boy” network. 

Do you agree?
__________

Next week, I will be providing Paula Frederick and the members of the Executive Committee of the State Bar of Georgia with massive evidence of voting fraud (in Georgia and nationwide) and the credible whistleblower’s interview alleging heinous criminal conduct by Chief Justice John Roberts, former VP Mike Pence and former Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, and others. I have already provided this evidence to Mercer University and Soon to be Former Dean of Mercer Law School Cathy Cox. 

Wow. Rod Rosenstein works for Atlanta based law firm of King & Spalding. Looks like State Bar is going to have its hands full conducting mental health care evaluations and criminal investigations. They will need to investigate many crimes, including pedophilia and treason. 

State Bar of Georgia will need to expand its police force.

TheseTruths

And this one is quite sad:

After 3 decades of loving them and sacrificing to make their lives better, my 4 children do not speak to me. They do not like my politics or share my faith. I did not hear from them on Father’s Day, Thanksgiving, or Christmas.

I was hurt beyond words.

They have joined the mob that attacks me.

I still love them. I am always ready to forgive them. They are my children.

I have not seen my grandson who is named after me in a year when I saw him on his first birthday. He turned 2 a few days ago. I am not sure if I will ever have the joy of seeing him or holding him again. But his image at age one is emblazoned in my mind. 

If I never see him again, I know that as he grows older and after my time on Earth is over, he will want to know who I am, what I stood for, what was important to me, what hills I was willing to die on. I want him to be proud of his grandfather.

He will know my message even if he does not know the messenger.

Thanks for letting me share these personal feelings with you. I share them to make a point – we are all imperfect messengers, but at the end of the day, our message is all that matters.

God bless you. Enjoy your day. – Lin 

TheseTruths

More:

My oldest son, Matt, is a lawyer. He does not speak with me so I am unable to communicate words of love and faith to him. If your heart moves you to write and express your stories and feelings of faith with him, perhaps it would help awaken him to the world outside of Austin. I think he would benefit from loving words from followers of Jesus Christ. Not a request to write him, but only a request to follow your heart. I do not believe he is allowed to know what I am trying to do for others or the persecution I am enduring. His email is mwood@wshllp.com

God bless you. Please keep me and my family in your prayers. I will continue to pray for you. 

Lin

TheseTruths

Lin writes later that he is now being accused of doxxing his son.

“But what if maybe, just maybe, one message from a third person plants a seed of love and faith that weighs on his heart to eventually renew his relationship with his Dad?”

pgroup2

How do you doxx a lawyer who most likely advertises who he is and what he does? Methinks he’s a public figure, at least locally.

Minor detail – doxxing is when someone’s home address and/or phone number is disclosed on a public forum along with the person’s name. A previously unknown email address is far short of doxxing.

pgroup2

When that grandson turns 18, everything changes. It’s quite awhile but you can handle it.

smiley2

you’re not alone in this.

I, too, have certain family members who have become shockingly hostile and untrustworthy in their rabidly toxic hate against what I stand for these days.

I hardly recognize them as “family” anymore (!)

as well as some neighbors who have become openly hostile, knowing that I am a Trump supporter and a conservative.

they are not hearing any “message” other than the tyrannical dogma of the hysterical Left.

it’s either impermissable or it’s mandatory.

sometimes it hurts to pray.

patfrederick

i think that’s becoming more and more prevalent, unfortunately.
our children are liberals, but we are still agreeing to disagree about politics.
but I can remember my parents describing one or more relatives as “kooks” and whenever i got the chance, I sat by them at reunions and parties–they were some of the most interesting people at the party!
now that I’ve become one, I embrace it…lol

Deplorable Patriot

My mother’s cousins were always a untied front. Not anymore. Some aren’t speaking. It’s very sad.

patfrederick

it is.

at parties we agree on no politics until after we’ve all eaten, then if there are leftovers, we have a food fight…LOL

Gail Combs

IT IS BY DESIGN!!!

Remember when POTUS was first elected. The Communists TOLD ‘Progressive’ children/relatives to GET IN THEIR FACES and BROW BEAT THEM at Thanksgiving and Christmas!

It is all about dividing families.

The next step is to have ‘Family’ INFORM on EACH OTHER.

And they called POTUS Hitler….

Chris

Pat, are you saying you’re a kook?
I’d have never guessed ! LOL 😂 

patfrederick

i’ve been told i hide it well…LOL

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TheseTruths

I’m sorry about the family members you’re dealing with. To clarify, everything I wrote above was from Lin Wood’s Telegraph, so it is his family that has abandoned him. I will pray.

singingsoul1

Lin does not need to be so hard on himself. His children are reflecting many young people of today. They forget who birthed them and raised them and educated them to they can be foolish and discard those who gave them life. This is not a reflection on Wood it is a reflection on his kids and many other spoiled grown up brats of today.
When they need something they will find him.

Gudthots

Many good people sent their children to school unaware that they were sending them straight into indoctrination that would include hatred of self and hatred of parents. Now they are both miserable.

singingsoul1

So true. Even though my two kids are not conservative we love each other and have respect for each other and that makes it workable. We do not talk about it and find plenty other topics. I hope that time will give them wisdom.

smiley2

sorry…yes…after I posted my comment, I realized you weren’t speaking personally.

and…thanks for praying.💟

singingsoul1

I have two kids who let it be known they are left they do not consider that but they are. We do not talk about politics. My son said “mom I do not want to speak politics or religion with you.” He knows he will loose 🙂
They will realize soon enough when their 401k looses value. When they pay more for gas or my daughter in CT pays more for electricity . She already pays $700-800 a month electricity.

Chris

‘it’s either impermissable or it’s mandatory’
Seems alot of people grew up asking/kicking themselves
and saying in hindsight..
‘I should have taken that government job,I’d be so much further ahead today’
employment in that orbit really requires one to drop their conservative ideas , to overlook and accept things as the
way things are ,even though you know it isn’t right if it can’t be right.
Advancement and $$ requires you accept it.
So ,Its unwritten but mandatory .
____________________________
Sometimes it hurts to pray
____________________________
You’re doing it right !

TheseTruths
Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Wow.

Remember what I said about Rosenstein being connected to my little incidents? WHICH CAN BE PROVEN if FIB were forced to cough up information relevant to the occurrences.

But let’s be blunt – I think there is something very sketchy going on. That whistleblower was VERY credible. His testimony matches what Sharyl Attkisson got.

Lotta stuff not adding up.

Lotta OTHER stuff adding up.

I think Lin may have baited these suckers in.

duchess01

Rosenstein did take a plane ride with PT – bet he read him the riot act – told him he must cooperate – finish the job – or the HAMMER will hit him so hard he will not recover – there will be no deals – so just do it!!!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Could be! And I have another theory. I think the whistleblower’s assertion of narcissism and megalomania – that Rod thought he was headed for higher positions or even the White House – may have been played somehow.

patfrederick

I still remember that smug ass smile he had coming out of the WH…

duchess01

If he thought PT did not know – he was sadly mistaken – PT and Q have it all – Fool!!!

Deplorable Patriot

The rot isn’t just in Washington. It’s nationwide. That’s what needs to be accepted, and so far hasn’t been, exactly.

Tonawanda

Every locality in America has a family or families which go back generations and has long since been hardwired into the local political structure. IMO this is the sort of thing which has happened everywhere throughout history. But these situations naturally create corruption and sophisticated criminality, as the insiders deal with each other and prevent everyone else from entering the circle.

Sometimes the families are good for a locality, but IMO they are more often bad or very bad.

Rot and the degree of rot IMO depends on the general ethics and morality of a given population, and on the existence of government, which gives the corrupt an effective means to be corrupt resulting in the enforced detriment of others.

suzyqster58

Thank you Depat , that’s what i keep saying and your right its not being accepted. Jesus said he did not come to bring peace and kumbaya. Jesus told us that mother would turn against daughter ,Father against son wife against husband. This is the great sifting. The tares are being separated from the wheat at this time.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

And if memory serves, he’s quoted in multiple gospels saying something about a sword. [Decided to get my butt out of the chair and look it up: It turns out the line I am thinking of appears only in Matthew, 10:34.]

suzyqster58

Thanks Steve, yes Jesus wasn’t all about peace. I am pretty sure the moneychangers in the temple didn’t think to much about peace as thier backsides were getting the whip.

duchess01

This was about what the Whistleblower was talking in a video we were scrutinizing yesterday – Roberts – Rosenstein – and Pence are all implicated in dastardly deeds, Truths!

Disgusting!!! Lin Wood just verified the players.

michaelh

From Chiefio – GO GET ‘EM!!!

Why I’m Going to Buy Gamestop or AMC theaters If I Can

https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2021/01/31/why-im-going-to-buy-gamestop-or-amc-theaters-if-i-can/

I have no idea if I can make it happen. I don’t know if my broker is one of those preventing a buy order on Gamestop, or AMC Theaters. Or a couple of others.

BUT, I can smell a fire burning under a rich Fat Bastard, and I can enjoy throwing some of my money on the fire to make it burn faster and hotter. “I don’t care”. (Listen to the video)…

https://odysee.com/@TimcastNews:0/the-gamestop-rebellion-is-upon-us:1

. . .

They KNOW the shorts shorted more stock than exists. They KNOW that they can “just wait”. They are “holding the line”. I want to stand with that kind of folks. I don’t care if I eventually lose $1000 bucks on 3 shares. I want to stand with them.

It is worth it to me, for my sense of self worth, to step up to the line and toss my money on the pire. Let the Fat Bastard render for a while. I have wine, and time, and some cheese to warm, melt and share….

Elizabeth Carter

Lin Wood posted about Q

Lin Wood Forwarded from  Narrative Reframes
Understand that Main Stream Media is OWNED – the Press has been leveraged to perpetuate a manipulative narrative to keep We The People in the dark and psychologically placated for a century. They will never “connect the dots” for you with the facts or the truth.

This is the brilliance of a PsyOp named Q. The gradual wake from sleep, a cognitive re-introduction to the truth, and a choice of where you stand when the lies no longer hold psychological power over you.

Q was call to action of We The People – not one of violence of action, we have a dedicated fighting force that’s constitutionally sanctioned for that, and their leadership’s commissioned oath is to “support and defend the CONSTITUTION of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.” Not Congress. Not corporate CEOs. Not the President… the Constitution.

But your call to action is to WAKE UP from the narrative that’s being shoved down your throat by the corrupt Press, MSM, corporate leadership and silver-tongued politicians. Wake up to your Constitutional sovereignty, because they are only Public servants.

Your call to action is to take it upon yourself to self-educate, and understand your Constitutional rights, the true principles of Economics and government financial data, Civics, and the historical ideology of Liberty instead of the watered down collectivist ideology of “social justice & environmental action” overly perpetuated by our castrated and manipulative public education policies.

Your call to action is to form trusted, Patriotic communities who protect each other, live by the Constitution, relentlessly seek the truth, and work together to solve local, State, and National problems. It’s about unity and resilience TOGETHER in the months ahead.

Because believe me when I say, the resilient future of America, and the industrial revolution of our future – one that’s not bound to the corrupt Petrodollar and iterative Wars of the Steel Cycle, is absolutely worth every inconvenience that the corrupt pretenders in our government may force upon us in the coming months.

They’re literally willing to go to the extremes of labeling Anons and Q as “Domestic Terrorists” to stop a Constitutional movement. How desperate is that?

The reality? At most we’ve seen a few Patriots wrongfully arrested, but released and inconvenienced by legal proceedings. That’s it.

They’re hyping a narrative. You are not facing stazi-level abuse. No FBI agent is kicking down a door and shooting anyone in the head unless you go vertical, get violent, unlawful, and give them a reason to.

Remember that – all they have is their narrative war and propaganda. They want to scare you into giving up. And they’re going to extremes on TV and on the Web to do it.

What that says to me is that they’re threatened by the populations around the world getting involved and disrupting their global economic power schemes. And rightly so. There’s way more of us than them.

In America: 616,000 : 1 by the way.
We The People outnumber Public officials 616,000 to 1.
– Bobby Piton

So don’t forget that. Freedom isn’t free, but it’s worth sacrificing some convenience for, unifying under the Constitution despite our differences for, and working really damn hard for.
https://t.me/s/linwoodspeakstruth

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

That is so bloody brilliant! He said exactly what is on my heart! BRAVO!!!

Deplorable Patriot

 😍 

The “like” button is lagging.

Thank Heaven for people like Bobby Piton and Lin Wood who can say it like it is.

para59r

I know we understand this already, but makes the point again.
This was the plan all along:

Q was call to action of We The People – not one of violence of action, we have a dedicated fighting force that’s constitutionally sanctioned for that, and their leadership’s commissioned oath is to “support and defend the CONSTITUTION of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.” Not Congress. Not corporate CEOs. Not the President… the Constitution.”

We just ran out of honest men in the right positions of power to execute it.

The rest will continue until we find those honest persons in the right positions of power or we are forced to over throw that power by legitimate means to include if necessary what is described in the Declaration of Independence.

Sadie Slays

Uhhh…I just tried to buy some silver online. Every online dealer I looked at is out-of-stock on American Silver Eagles. The chan movement to buy up physical silver is real. Strongly recommend that anyone interested in buying silver needs to make their purchases RIGHT NOW. DO NOT HESITATE. I put it off all day and got burned for it.

michaelh

Hoo can haz brokr 2 bye $GME? Asking for a fren…

pgroup2

Buy junk silver (pre-1965 coins) instead.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Watch the buy-spread margin on that.

It’s the cheapest way to get into silver (you can buy in increments of less than a tenth of an ounce, if you’re doing dimes), but silver has to move a LOT before you make your money back.

If you decide to proceed on this, the prices are usually quoted as some number times face; if it’s ten times face, you’ll pay a dollar for a silver dime (that’s an example, the prices surely are higher than that in fact). A dime contains 0.072 ounces of silver, the other denominations are proportional to that. Except silver dollars which are quite a bit heavier than 0.72 ounces of silver–a long story I’ve told before, but you will never see a silver dollar in a junk silver tray.

pgroup2

True. But I was merely suggesting an alternative source of silver that did not need to be tested for purity (since it was govt issued). American silver eagles are like eye candy – bright shiny attractions which are the first to be grabbed.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Indeed.

It’s a good thing to put more options on the table for people to look at (you did no wrong). But pluses and minuses should be brought out.

I’ve done junk silver, a lot. And I’ve done rounds and bars too.

evereleutheros

Can still find some on Ebay. I just bought some there tonight. Should have grabbed it last night cause price keeps ticking upward.

scott467

Silver Eagles have a beautiful design, and theoretically they are slightly easier to liquidate, but they also come with a higher premium, often a dollar (or possibly two dollars in the current environment) over the premium for generic silver rounds or bars.

I just checked a silver price comparison website ( https://comparesilverprices.com/ ), and it looks like the difference in cost between a silver Eagle ($32.19) and a private mint Buffalo design silver round ($29.69) is actually $2.50

Silver is silver. If the price of silver explodes, it will be because of a supply crisis, and nobody will have trouble liquidating their silver in that environment (or any other, really).

When the time comes to sell, I suspect you will not get the extra $2.50 premium on the sale price that you paid for the silver Eagles at purchase.

But even if you do, the opportunity cost is far greater.

Suppose you have $5,000 to invest in silver. You can buy 155 silver Eagles, or 168 generic silver rounds for the same $5,000.

Suppose silver goes to $500 an ounce in a short squeeze situation.

Even if you get your premium back for the Silver Eagles, i.e., you get $502.50 per ounce, your total take is 155 x $502.50 = $77,888.

But if you bought the slightly cheaper silver rounds, your total take at sale would be 168 x $500 = $84,000

An extra $6,112 return on the same investment.

The extra premium paid for the silver Eagles goes in the dealer’s pocket.

If you invest the same amount of money in generic silver rounds or bars, with a lower premium, you end up with more ounces of silver, which means more money at sale time in your pocket.

Just a thought! 👍 🙂

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Sadie Slays

That’s an excellent point about coins vs. bars, and I appreciate the advice. The American Silver Eagles, though, were intended as a sentimental purchase to keep around as a reminder of time 4chan challenged the JP Morgan silver cartel (with bonus benefit of having something familiar and easy to trade in a SHTF situation). Definitely going to go with bars if I go the “hoard and sell later” money-making route. The math checks out, but I’m not doing it for the money (yet).

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SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Nothing wrong with a sentimental purchase! (In a way, that’s what coin collecting is, so me saying this should be no surprise.) So long as you recognize what you are doing, and you do.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Don’t just look at the sale price.

Look at what they buy it back for.

I’m going to use made up numbers here to make my point. If a generic silver round costs $40 and an eagle costs $50, you’d be tempted to go for the generic. BUT if dealer that same day is offering to buy the generic for $32 but will pay $45 for silver eagles, the silver eagle might be the better buy even though it is more expensive.

If it really does come down to the sort of supply crunch you’re thinking of, though, it might not matter, as silver sold just goes into the melting pot (though the eagles might still have a relative advantage because their composition is known and trusted). But past history has shown that when the price spikes, a lot of people unload their silver and the bubble does burst.

RF121

Need more caution playing with commodities. Too easy for Biden to step in under the guise of National Security and interfere with this market to ensure the little guy gets screwed. Can’t have the hoipoloi making money.

Sadie Slays

WOW, APMEX, SD Bullion, and Money Metals have shutdown orders entirely. You can’t order any silver at all from them right now. JM Bullion is delaying shipments by 5-10 days because of unprecedented volume. It’s really happening!

smiley2

you can buy directly from The US Mint

Sadie Slays

The US Mint store is sold out of silver, too!

https://catalog.usmint.gov/coins/silver-coins/silver-dollars/

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smiley2

I’m just now seeing that, Sadie…just went there to checkit out…hardly any silver is available…!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

They look to be back up now at APMEX, but they don’t have JACK. All that’s left are ridiculous collector grade stuff up around $100 per oz.

kalbokalbs

What a difference 24 hours made. Yesterday very good availability at APMEX when I looked in the morning.

evereleutheros

Friday night I could’ve bought a roll of 20 silver eagles for $635, today
the price is $768 and up on ebay. I’ve always watch the prices for eagles on ebay, that’s how I know when it’s moving upwards. At one time I sold some of our stash for $50/oz. I think this move may push it higher actually so HOLD and buy if you can find it cheap.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Exactly. I was thinking Ag was too big, but DANG, the Reddit brain was right.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Thank you. I wanted to join the Silver Rebellion, just like I stood up for fair elections on Capitol Hill. I just barely snuck in after you posted this. The selection is extremely limited.

I did find some Silver Eagles at GovMint.com, but they are rapidly going up in price and they are already at a brand premium. I bought some a long time ago for half of what they’re selling RIGHT NOW.

Most of their normal wide variety of silver types are SOLD OUT and on ALERT ME status.

If you want Eagles, get there now. They had two kinds left when I looked.

Deplorable Patriot

I wear my silver, so….

Maybe I should switch to costume pieces for a bit?

kalbokalbs

Smiling here, wearing silver. Depending on purity, the value is sky rocketing. At least in the short term.

While stationed in Singapore 92-95, jewelry stores EVERYWHERE. Dominate product is gold.

Gold is sold by weight plus a minor mark up. Each piece is marked with the gold weight and mark up. Prices fluctuated daily based on the gold market. Gold prices posted in window of every gold dealer. No variation between stores on the gold price. Very straight forward with very small room to haggle.

Better half bought a fair amount of gold jewelry. Better half likes the gold jewelry. Me, long term gold buy and hold. Much of the gold jewelry is 22K. The rest 24K.

Thankfully I talked her out of buying a lot of rings with pearls, rubies…with a go ahead to buy gold jewelry For me the best part of those are the 18K gold ring itself. Don’t much care about the pearls, rubies…

Also picked up some 24K Baht gold, chains and earrings in Thailand.

Will be great for when SHTF, we need cash or kids enjoy a windfall some day.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I just wrote a reply to Aubergine that assumed otherwise; I did not realize the Asian market prices were more closely tied to metal content!!

kalbokalbs

Singapore certainly is tied to the gold market. Dominate Chinese ancestry…they adore gold with a passion. Even if we were just going to the super market, buy shoes, movie, whatever, we always noted the gold prices in the window.

Have heard Vietnamese also enamored with gold.

Time in Thailand and Hong Kong very short, as in a couple days. So truly do not have a grasp there.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I was highlighting (in talking to Aubergine) the fact that here, at least, jewelry tends not to be sold by weight as you described; a chain with an ounce of silver in it will cost a good deal more than an ounce of silver does. I imagine that with gold, even here, the value of the gold has more to do with the price of the item than with silver, but you’re still paying a hefty premium over “melt.”

As I said, different circumstances. Labor is a lot cheaper over there.

Gail Combs

All my silver is in jewelry that a purchased in the 1980s

I had a coffee can full of silver quarters pre-1965 but my EX stole them from me.

Aubergine

Sadie, forgive my ignorance about stuff like this. I have a question. Does this mean that .925 silver will go up in value? I have silver jewelry. Will that be a thing? Because if so, that is something to buy that might not be going up in price so fast.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

The silver in your jewelry will go up in value if silver becomes dear. No doubt about that. (And “sterling” is a well known standard composition, too–on top of jewelry, British coins used to use it, hence the “pound sterling” whose original and literal meaning is a [troy] pound of sterling silver.)

The bigger issue with jewelry is it often costs much, much more than the value of the silver (or gold) in it; you’re paying for the labor of the people who crafted it, too; the fancier, the more so. It is not a good precious metals play for that reason. (There are good reasons to buy it, but investment isn’t really one of them.)

People regularly lose a lot of money when they pawn their jewelry for that reason, because the secondary market is a lot less willing to pay those labor costs and the seller can’t pass them on. Exceptions for a hallmark that is highly collectible, or something you can prove was owned by someone famous, but I doubt you are talking about something like Faberge eggs.

EDIT TO ADD: Kalbokalbs had more information, regarding jewelry bought overseas, below this in a reply to DP. Apparently my comment about jewelry costing a lot more than its content applies only to US (and maybe European) jewelry. Please go look at what he had to say

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Gudthots

I’ve got old silver tea service items from a neighbor’s garage sale. Not sure how to sell it if silver does become dear, but I’ve got a box full of it.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

A coin shop will take it. They’ll possibly want to scratch it to make sure it’s not something else plated with silver. You probably won’t get the spot price, certainly not on the gross weight, but likely not even on the weight of the silver in it. (For example if it’s ten pounds weight, made out of sterling silver, you won’t get paid for ten pounds of silver, nor even the spot price times 9 1/4 pounds (the actual silver content if it’s sterling)…because they have to make money somehow).

If it’s only silver plate (which is not unlikely) you probably won’t get much for it.

Check for, and research online, any hallmarks or indications of what it’s made out of. Those will be very small writing, likely only conspicuous if it’s really good stuff.

Gudthots

TY

Elize

I don’t usually post links, etc but wowser, I have to share. No clue if it’ll show up right.

Rapper Tom MacDonald’s “Fake Woke” that RIPS Cancel Culture Reaches #1 on Hip-Hop, Rap and All-Genre US iTunes Song Sales (thegatewaypundit.com)

“After enjoying success with previous releases like “Best Rapper Ever,” Tom MacDonald is again making a splash on the US iTunes store.
Following its release Friday, “Fake Woke” soared to #1 on the US iTunes Hip-Hop/Rap Song Sales Chart. It is concurrently up to #2 on the all-genre listing. Only Olivia Rodrigo’s megahit “drivers license” is presently selling at a faster pace.
The Weeknd’s “Blinding Lights” (#3), Morgan Wallen’s “Wasted On You” (#4), and Ed Sheeran’s “Afterglow” (#5) join “drivers license” and “Fake Woke” in the Top 5.
Not simply attracting attention on iTunes, “Fake Woke” also boasts nearly 1 million views on YouTube.”

I haven’t heard rap music in about 30 years. This guy nailed it!

Elize

I pray it sets off a domino affect. Between the reddits and a rapper calling out this bs, I know the Lord is moving in areas we never expected! Thank you Jesus!

RAC

Remember how Kayleigh McEnany had most every fact in her head …….
https://patriots.win/p/11SKGk589n/what-happens-if-you-follow-up-on/c/

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

SOVIET JEN IS SOVIET!
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SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

To be sure she did refer to that three ring binder a lot.

In fact you knew she was going to administer a thumping when she started flipping through those pages rapidly.

RAC

Couple of days old but the hypocrisy is everlasting.
“Democrats Erupt In Anger At Fake Maxine Waters Quote On Andrew Cuomo. Waters Said It About Trump.”
https://www.dailywire.com/news/democrats-erupt-in-anger-at-fake-maxine-waters-quote-on-andrew-cuomo-waters-said-it-about-trum

GA/FL

Thank you, Bakocarl for another ‘anchoring’ Sunday post.

The first Scripture that came to mind was: “I know Whom I have believed…” from Paul’s second letter to Timothy.

Turns out it’s surrounded by verses about suffering.

II Timothy Chapter 1 – Berean Study Bible (bold mine)

1Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, according to the promise of life in Christ Jesus,
2 To Timothy, my beloved child: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.
3 I thank God, whom I serve with a clear conscience as did my forefathers, as I constantly remember you night and day in my prayers.
4 Recalling your tears, I long to see you so that I may be filled with joy.
5 I am reminded of your sincere faith, which first dwelt in your grandmother Lois and your mother Eunice, and I am convinced is in you as well.
6 For this reason I remind you to fan into flame the gift of God, which is in you through the laying on of my hands. 
7 For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power, love, and self-control.
8 So do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, or of me, His prisoner. Instead, join me in suffering for the gospel by the power of God. 
9 He has saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works, but by His own purpose and by the grace He granted us in Christ Jesus before time began. 
10 And now He has revealed this grace through the appearing of our Savior, Christ Jesus, who has abolished death and illuminated the way to life and immortality through the gospel, 
11 to which I was appointed as a preacher, an apostle, and a teacher.
12 For this reason, even though I suffer as I do, I am not ashamed; for I know whom I have believed, and I am convinced that He is able to guard what I have entrusted to Him for that day.
13 Hold on to the pattern of sound teaching you have heard from me, with the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus. 
14 Guard the treasure entrusted to you, with the help of the Holy Spirit who dwells in us.

trumpismine

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MAGA Mom

Excellent.

this is happening and it is working as we have seen in DC and in states/counties of GOP who voted against Trump. Most GOP are not quitting in a huff but using their emotions to motivate and focus their actions to productivity and effectiveness like never seen before.

Showing up in person @ meetings impacts the CEC and the SEC. Calling and hardcopy letters are alos very effective. commenting on social media amplifies one’s voice as well

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Dora

Tonawanda

Wow! It is such a strange feeling to have this knowledge, also knowing that it will be ignored.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

What we are seeing is a kind of mass delusion created *knowingly* by socialism. People believe that by a majority stating they believe something is true, it must be true, evidence be damned.

para59r

The sad thing is it’s such a small minority in the right seats of power that are promulgating these lies. If some one wanted to start a revolution perhaps start it by doing it against these people since it’s not the same as starting an insurrection against the govt and will likely have a better and quicker effect when the mouth peices start to fade away.

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yes, I think there are ways to create an “Alinsky reflector” that shows how FEW the bad actors really are, and how easily they are replaced by better specimens!

itswoot

There has never been another time in our nations history where the need for a second American Revolution has been more justified.

Not even close.

para59r

“have this knowledge” again. We’ve seen other mathematicians explain this.

smiley2

movie suggestion…

The Lives of Others (release date 2007)

trailer..

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smiley2

Stasi Officer, Captain Gerd Wiesler…East Berlin 5 yrs before Glasnost and the fall of the Berlin Wall

scene from The Lives Others..

film was released in 2007…it traces the gradual disillusionment of the ruthless Stasi Wiesler in East Germany from 1983 til 1991 while engaged in a Nazi operation of spying and reporting on a German actress and writer.

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smiley2

it is becoming very very dark, here in the new Amerika …and I am sometimes hard-pressed on exactly how I should be praying…

it is difficult… always has been…for me to pray for enemies…I would rather curse them and the ground they walk on.

but I’ve been thinking lately : it might not be a bad idea to pray that they begin to suffer immense regret resulting in soul-searing disillusionment and deep remorse, deep anguish and gut-wrenching guilt…for the inexcusable wrongs that they have intentionally inflicted , and are now plotting to further inflict and perpetrate, on America…and on us.. with malice aforethought…and with intent to kill.

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Grandmaintexas

I like your thoughts here. My view is that most of the people involved in the upper echelon…who could actually do or say something to turn things around…are beyond that stage of morality where a conscience could be awakened.

They are sociopaths, narcissists, and quite frankly, some are psychopaths.

My prayers for them simply involve justice. I believe meeting justice means they have made their choice and they are in God’s merciful but just hands.

Am I bad?

Deplorable Patriot

They are sociopaths, narcissists, and quite frankly, some are psychopaths.

Yep.

suzyqster58

I dont think so GIT. I see a few of us are going through this. I have a very hard time praying for people who so obviously have no conscience and seem to be possesed of a demonic spirit. they have made a choice and God knows there heart. he will take care of it. I just pray for justice to fall like water upon them.

Tonawanda

The shallow “idealists” never acknowledge (if they even grasp) that those running the show are NOT there for our good. They are there for their “good.”

Sadism is at the heart of every sort of leftist. Inflicting punishment is the only solution they know, and it is very personal. Deformity of character is a requirement to be a leftist in charge.

Grandmaintexas

100%.

michaelh

God can reach dark people, but sometimes they have to slapped down by the hand of justice before they wake up.

Even then some people just double-down on evil.

Tonawanda

One of the more interesting aspects of the movie was the pangs of conscience felt by the main character. I have to say, that was also one of the least credible aspects of the movie (for me) because it showed him to be less than fully brainwashed or less than fully committed. Sympathy and empathy are not part of the revolutionary mentality.

But I am going to find the movie and watch it again to see if my memory is right about that aspect.

Gail Combs

Generally they are sociopaths or psychopaths

What is a sociopath?

A sociopath is a term used to describe someone who has antisocial personality disorder (ASPD). People with ASPD can’t understand others’ feelings. They’ll often break rules or make impulsive decisions without feeling guilty for the harm they cause.

People with ASPD may also use “mind games” to control friends, family members, co-workers, and even strangers. They may also be perceived as charismatic or charming.

How is someone diagnosed as a sociopath?

ASPD is part of a category of personality disorders characterized by persistent negative behaviors.

The new edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5) says that someone with ASPD consistently shows a lack of regard for others’ feelings or violations of people’s rights. People with ASPD may not realize that they have these behaviors. They may live their entire lives without a diagnosis.

To receive a diagnosis of ASPD, someone must be older than 18. Their behaviors must show a pattern of at least three of the following seven traits:

Doesn’t respect social norms or laws. Theyconsistently break laws or overstep social boundaries.

Lies, deceives others, uses false identities or nicknames, and uses others for personal gain.

Doesn’t make any long-term plans. They also often behave without thinking of consequences.

Shows aggressive or aggravated behavior. They consistently get into fights or physically harm others.

Doesn’t consider their own safety or the safety of others.

Doesn’t follow up on personal or professional responsibilities. This can include repeatedly being late to work or not paying bills on time.

Doesn’t feel guilt or remorse for having harmed or mistreated others.

Other possible symptoms of ASPD can include:

being “cold” by not showing emotions or investment in the lives of others

using humor, intelligence, or charisma to manipulate others

having a sense of superiority and strong, unwavering opinions

not learning from mistakes

not being able to keep positive friendships and relationships

attempting to control others by intimidating or threatening them

getting into frequent legal trouble or performing criminal acts

taking risks at the expense of themselves or others

threatening suicide without ever acting on these threats

becoming addicted to drugs, alcohol, or other substances

Other ways to diagnose ASPD include:

evaluating the person’s feelings, thoughts, behavioral patterns, and personal relationships

talking to people close to the person about their behaviors

evaluating a person’s medical history for other conditions

ASPD can be diagnosed in someone as young as 15 years old if they show symptoms of a conduct disorder. These symptoms include:

breaking rules without regard for the consequences

needlessly destroying things that belong to themselves or others

stealing

lying or constantly deceiving others

being aggressive toward others or animals

What’s the difference between a sociopath and a psychopath?

There’s no clinical difference between a sociopath and a psychopath. These terms are both used to refer to people with ASPD. They’re often used interchangeably.

Some have attempted to distinguish the two by the severity of their symptoms. A sociopath may be someone who only makes minor transgressions that don’t cause serious harm or distress. But a psychopath may be described as someone who’s physically violent or put others in danger. However, when one considers the DSM-5 diagnostic criteria, all of these symptoms can be found in the ASPD category.

Exhibiting frequently selfish behavior is in and of itself not sufficient to diagnose someone as a sociopath. An ASPD diagnosis is only given when symptoms happen for an extended period and don’t change because of punishment or lifestyle changes. Someone who’s selfish may show these behaviors for a short while, but feel bad about them or change their behavior over time or because of punishment.

https://www.healthline.com/health/mental-health/sociopath

patfrederick

what is a sociopath?
see also democrat, leftist, liberal

Dora

Hubby has that movie recorded, but we haven’t watched it yet. Maybe this afternoon.

Tonawanda

I HIGHLY recommend this movie.

The movie shows the mentality which has overtaken our ruling class.

One realistic aspect the movie illustrates is how totalitarian government is used as a vehicle for personal revenge/advantage.

Just a side note. Does anybody remember lawrencepaul from OT? He was the guy who sailed around the world in his yacht, and always had interesting things to say.

LP (as he was called OT) recommended this movie, and the very next day I found it at a yard sale for 25 cents and watched it immediately. It is definitely NOT the sort of movie you would find at a yard sale, but there it was.

Dora

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Aubergine’s razor says this dude is SATANIC. EVIL with a straight face.

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Oh Jesus it’s this guy. He worked to decriminalize knowingly spreading HIV, but if you don’t wear two masks around him, you’re literally Hitler.

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Once you see that these people are Bolsheviks – possibly DIAPER – it’s all clear.

Tonawanda

Exactly.

patfrederick

well CA is spreading covid faster than anyone so obviously double masking isn’t where it’s at wiener head…
better you wear the plastic baggie…more coverage, less leakage

henry

I bet that if you took a mask article and replaced mask with hygiene pads, and photoshopped an always pad onto a masked moron….

they would believe it and start buying and wearying them.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I think you’re right. It’s that bad now.

smiley2

they are dehumanizing us with these useless face masks…

we are like expressionless zombies walking around, unable to see any human expression in the faces of anyone we encounter.

it effects our natural ability to relate to others.

we no longer see anything but the masks.

it kills the spirit of connecting to others…

..as it’s meant to.

over time, we will cease to even care about others.

we will turn on others, report them, betray them, annihilate them.

we will become beasts.

patfrederick

I still smile (it shows in your eyes) and say good morning, hello, how ya’ doin’ to everyone I meet at a store…
yup, I’m THAT person…lol

kalbokalbs

^^^ 🙂 🙂 🙂 ^^^^

It really irritates the mask ghouls in stores. As they glare disapprovingly at my mask-less mug, they get a big smile, good morning, beautiful day…

The fools wearing a mask knowing masks are stoopid, quickly look away.
^^^ Most of the folks know masks are a charade of sorts.

In a warped way, it is truly funny.

Emeraldstar

>>”unable to see any human expression in the faces”<<

I remember taking a course called “The Madness of Crowds”, in which the fully tenured professor made a specific point of telling us that ~50% of the brain, evolutionarily, is dedicated to recognizing facial expressions.

It’s a hard-wired survival incentive, to be able to read another’s face, in order to react appropriately (i.e., to continue LIVING).

“Dehumanizing” is one of the GOALS of forced mask-wearing …

You’re right on point, Smiley!

Gail Combs

I hate phones for this reason. I want to SEE the person I talk to so I can read their body language.

When working in industry I always walked to a person’s office to talk to them if I could. It use to puzzle people but I had a very good problem solving rate BECAUSE I talked face to face with people.

Dora

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Thank You, Jesus, for blessings received and prayers answered!!!

duchess01

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Be My Voice

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patfrederick

good Sunday morning Duchess!
have a Blessed day!

duchess01

Morning, Pat!!! Hope and Pray you are warm and toasty!!! More snow yesterday – temps continue to be in the teens.

God Bless Your Day, too – Angels Watching Over You – Hugs!!!

patfrederick

HUGS back to you dear!
stay safe and warm!!!

duchess01

* Received and Appreciated *

Will do

patfrederick

hubby just read we are expecting 6-10 inches of snow over the next 2-3 days…big storm heading in.

duchess01

Oh, my – hitting the higher elevations – I see – no measurable snow predicted for the next 2 months here – of course – that could change – but, it appears we are in for a long, mild winter here.

patfrederick

next 2 MONTHS? wow

duchess01

Yes – I checked – it’s weird – not at all normal – temps will be rising – very little snow in the forecast – just strange.

patfrederick

good for you!

duchess01

If it sticks – I am happy – but, you know how quickly weather can change – friend lives in Kansas – they had 7″ of rain – rarely do they get that much rain – if any – very dry terrain there – so it appears things are out of whack everywhere – Dora said LI is getting snow today – strange for them!!!

patfrederick

hubby said a big storm is coming from the west…coupled with 2 low pressure systems moving north…we were on the outside cusp of this mess, but it moved inland somewhat and we’ll get some–but not like the coast is gonna get

duchess01

Well – weather moves from west to east – so that makes sense – so hubby thinks you will be spared – and those to the east will get pummeled?

henry

Don’t know if you guys know Joe Bastardi? He’s a weatherman who I’ve listened to over the years. He gives a weekend update and always gives you an education as to why the weather does what it does. When he’s wrong, he admits it.

On his update last night, he started talking about cancle culture coming after his vocation because when they predict bad weather coming — IT SCARES PEOPLE and they just can’t take it.

Anyway if you want to listen/watch go here and scroll to the bottom of the page and click on weekend update.

https://www.weatherbell.com/

Dora

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Kinda hilarious. The Biden family are like some cheap local official’s extended clan in China, kowtowing to Xi Jinping but trading on the position when the boss man’s not looking too closely.

OY VEY.

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smiley2

some things never change…they only become more so.

Deplorable Patriot

Don’t look now, but I dreamed of arrests last night. Maxine Waters was being forcibly dragged through what looked like a shopping mall wearing a BLM sweatsuit. Was the highlight. Almost woke me up.

Make of that what you will.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

OK, I’m in.

Same here. I had a REALPOTUS dream the night before last. I was at some resort / hotel, on some kind of mission, in some guest room, with the door open, talking to somebody, and while I’m talking, and pretending I didn’t just see this, I see Trump and two younger people, a guy and a girl, quietly and quickly rushing past the door in the hallway, on their way somewhere. All three of them were younger than they are now. The two were his assistants, I know that, and Trump was the owner / manager of the place. He, too, was on some mission to do something, but I don’t know what it was, and nobody else did, either.

That was the dream. It felt hopeful.

patfrederick

have you been watching Home Alone 2 lately? hehe

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Haven’t seen it in years!!! 😀

patfrederick

no, but I did mention it yesterday…hmmmmm…does that make me a dream weaver?

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Could be! My dreams are largely composed of unresolved questions playing out.

duchess01

Whatever is on your mind when you fall asleep will manifest itself in your dreams – too many unresolved issues – yes

If you have any other dreams – please let us know – Mkay?

Emeraldstar

Dreaming is when the greater part of the mind is in control of thinking.

I call it the “optical” mind; and the “critical” mind is what we use, primarily, when we’re awake.

Dreaming – whether consciously remembered or not – is an ESSENTIAL part of mentality. Like you said, it’s where questions – that the “rational” mind hasn’t yet figured out – are dealt with.

Often, the questions that we pose to ourselves while awake aren’t the REAL questions that we need to answer – there are underlying questions / issues which the mind-asleep can better identify, and address.

In many instances, the waking mind is in denial about what’s actually going on. The sleeping mind doesn’t suffer this restriction / bias.

Psychosomatic problems are, in fact, REAL – and it DOESN’T mean that one is loopy (pick your favorite smear term here!), it just means that whatever conscious thinking one is relying on at