Dear KMAG: 20210509 Open Topic

This Sanctuary Sunday Open Thread, with full respect to those who worship God on the Sabbath, is a place to reaffirm our worship of our Creator, our Father, our King Eternal.

It is also a place to read, post and discuss news that is worth knowing and sharing. Please post links to any news stories that you use as sources or quote from.

In the QTree, we’re a friendly and civil lot. We encourage free speech and the open exchange and civil discussion of different ideas. Topics aren’t constrained, and sound logic is highly encouraged, all built on a solid foundation of truth and established facts.

We have a policy of mutual respect, shown by civility. Civility encourages discussions, promotes objectivity and rational thought in discourse, and camaraderie in the participants – characteristics we strive toward in our Q Tree community.

Please show respect and consideration for our fellow QTreepers. Before hitting the “post” button, please proofread your post and make sure you’re addressing the issue only, and not trying to confront the poster. Keep to the topic – avoid “you” and “your”. Here in The Q Tree, personal attacks, name calling, ridicule, insults, baiting and other conduct for which a penalty flag would be thrown are VERBOTEN.

In The Q Tree, we’re compatriots, sitting around the campfire, roasting hot dogs, making s’mores and discussing, agreeing, and disagreeing about whatever interests us. This board will remain a home for those who seek respectful conversations.

Please also consider the Guidelines for posting and discussion printed here:

One of the major problems with Liberals in politics and government is that they act as if they intuitively know the solution to every problem they address. It doesn’t matter at all if their solution flies in the face of fact, logic, practicality, common sense or the will of the people. Liberal government officials are not servants of the people . . . they rule the people. It’s their will that will be done and they will use the power of their office to ignore, redefine or selectively apply the law to create an agenda to implement their infallible intuitive solutions.

So it is with Liberals in Christianity . . . after all they have the same type character and hold the same type of beliefs as the Liberals in politics and government. They know better than God’s Word and aren’t afraid to ignore or redefine parts of God’s Word to suit their personal interpretations.

Give Liberals in politics and government some authority and some time and they will ruin our country. And so it is in Christianity with Liberals. Some are in positions they recognize as authority and with the time they have had, they’re doing their best to attempt to ruin Christianity.

Liberal Theology

In liberal Christian teaching, which is not Christian at all, man’s reason is stressed and is treated as the final authority. Liberal theologians seek to reconcile Christianity with secular science and modern thinking. In doing so, they treat science as all-knowing and the Bible as fable-laden and false. Genesis’ early chapters are reduced to poetry or fantasy, having a message, but not to be taken literally (in spite of Jesus’ having spoken of those early chapters in literal terms). Mankind is not seen as totally depraved, and thus liberal theologians have an optimistic view of the future of mankind. The social gospel is also emphasized, while the inability of fallen man to fulfill it is denied. Whether a person is saved from his sin and its penalty in hell is no longer the issue; the main thing is how man treats his fellow man. “Love” of our fellow man becomes the defining issue. As a result of this “reasoning” by liberal theologians, the following doctrines are taught by liberal quasi-Christian theologians:

1) The Bible is not “God-breathed” and has errors. Because of this belief, man (the liberal theologians) must determine which teachings are correct and which are not. Belief that the Bible is “inspired” (in that word’s original meaning) by God is only held by simpletons. This directly contradicts 2 Timothy 3:16-17: “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.”

2) The virgin birth of Christ is a mythological false teaching. This directly contradicts Isaiah 7:14 and Luke 2.

3) Jesus did not rise again from the grave in bodily form. This contradicts the resurrection accounts in all four Gospels and the entire New Testament.

4) Jesus was a good moral teacher, but His followers and their followers have taken liberties with the history of His life (there were no “supernatural” miracles), with the Gospels having been written many years later and merely ascribed to the early disciples in order to give greater weight to their teachings. This contradicts the 2 Timothy passage and the doctrine of the supernatural preservation of the Scriptures by God.

5) Hell is not real. Man is not lost in sin and is not doomed to some future judgment without a relationship with Christ through faith. Man can help himself; no sacrificial death by Christ is necessary since a loving God would not send people to such a place as hell and since man is not born in sin. This contradicts Jesus Himself, who declared Himself to be the Way to God, through His atoning death (John 14:6).

6) Most of the human authors of the Bible are not who they are traditionally believed to be. For instance, they believe that Moses did not write the first five books of the Bible. The book of Daniel had two authors because there is no way that the detailed “prophecies” of the later chapters could have been known ahead of time; they must have been written after the fact. The same thinking is carried over to the New Testament books. These ideas contradict not only the Scriptures but historical documents which verify the existence of all the people whom the liberals deny.

7) The most important thing for man to do is to “love” his neighbor. What is the loving thing to do in any situation is not what the Bible says is good but what the liberal theologians decide is good. This denies the doctrine of total depravity, which states that man is incapable of doing anything good and loving (Jeremiah 17:9) until He has been redeemed by Christ and given a new nature (2 Corinthians 5:17).

There are many pronouncements of Scripture against those who would deny the deity of Christ (2 Peter 2:1)—which liberal Christianity does. Scripture also denounces those who would preach a different gospel from what was preached by the apostles (Galatians 1:8)—which is what the liberal theologians do in denying the necessity of Christ’s atoning death and preaching a social gospel in its place. The Bible condemns those who call good evil and evil good (Isaiah 5:20)—which some liberal churches do by embracing homosexuality as an alternative lifestyle while the Bible repeatedly condemns its practice.

Scripture speaks against those who would cry “peace, peace” when there is no peace (Jeremiah 6:14)—which liberal theologians do by saying that man can attain peace with God apart from Christ’s sacrifice on the cross and that man need not worry about a future judgment before God. The Word of God speaks of a time when men will have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof (2 Timothy 3:5)—which is what liberal theology does in that it says that there is some inner goodness in man that does not require a rebirth by the Holy Spirit through faith in Christ. And it speaks against those who would serve idols instead of the one true God (1 Chronicles 16:26)—which liberal Christianity does in that it creates a false god according to its own liking rather than worshiping God as He is described in the whole of the Bible.

I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel – which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse! (Galatians 1:6-9)

On this day and every day –

God is in Control
. . . and His Grace is Sufficient, so . . .
Keep Looking Up

“This day is holy to the Lord your God;
do not mourn nor weep.” . . .
“Go your way, eat the fat, drink the sweet,
and send portions to those for whom nothing is prepared;
for this day is holy to our Lord.
Do not sorrow,
for the joy of the Lord is your strength.”

If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath and from doing as you please on my holy day, if you call the Sabbath a delight and the Lord’s holy day honorable, and if you honor it by not going your own way and not doing as you please or speaking idle words, then you will find your joy in the Lord, and I will cause you to ride in triumph on the heights of the land and to feast on the inheritance of your father Jacob. For the mouth of the Lord has spoken. Isaiah 58:13-14

5 3 votes
Article Rating
Notify of
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
Deplorable Patriot

There is something really wrong in this nation. Mental illness sort of wrong.
comment image

Cuppa Covfefe

They might need those flowers again, before long, if the vax was really the vax (and not saline or a placebo)…..

Deplorable Patriot

I have an old friend who is into all things French. She even married a Frenchman. She used to laugh about Americans and how we do everything in our cars. Drive through shots in the arm are a new one on that.


True, but the I think it’s Switzerland or maybe Luxemburg that has drive thru brothels, so could remind her of that.  🙃 

Cuppa Covfefe

Combine that with the current gender-bender transister “craze”, and you might get a huge surprise when you order “Le Big Mac” 😮


Depends on what you expect “two all-beef Patties” might be. Not to mention “special sauce; lettuce, cheese, pickles, onion on a sesame seed bun.”

Cuppa Covfefe

Two beefcakes named Patty…

Back in the day (1980s) McD had a VERY hard time trying to break into the French (not-so-)fast food market. The thought of a drive-through, eating in one’s car, NOT lingering over a meal, not having a meal worth savoring, was just anathema to the French. Still is, pretty much.

And try ordering a steak medium-well or (sacre bleu!) well done over there, in particular in Paris. I sent one back one time, TWICE, and after the second go-round, it came back like a brick of charcoal. Seems it was an affront to the chef to want a steak that wasn’t pink (if not bright red)…..

Then again, over here there’s so much wonderful cuisine, often at good prices (OK, Vin Ordinaire, but so what), that it’s no point to stoop to McD, Burger King, Wienerwald (contrary to what one would think, they serve chicken), or the other joints.

Slow food is where it’s at… and the coffee’s better, too…


The Quarter Pounder is Le Royal (Pulp Fiction). 🙂

Last edited 1 month ago by churchmouse
Cuppa Covfefe

Yep. Here it’s “Hamburger Royal”. I like Burger King’s Flame-Broiled (or Frame Broired, according to “Rocket Man”) better. Best of all is home made, though, since Doggie Diner went out of business so many years (and miles) ago.. RIP Al Ross…..


I never heard of Doggie Diner, but any sort of diner sounds good to me. 🙂

Al Ross must have left his customers with a lot of great food memories.

I don’t remember when I last had a fast food burger, so it must be edging up on 25 years now.

I, too, prefer homemade with a combo of beef and pork. My personal preference is 100% pork, which may approximate the original a century ago (hamburger).

Cuppa Covfefe

It was said that “There’s nothing finer than the Doggie Diner” and “We compete in Quality, not price”. Both of which were true. Specializing at first in chili dogs and chili burgers (as well as non-chili variants), their menu expanded over the years to include french fries, a “Western Burger”, Pastrami, tamales, and even apple turnovers. Beverages were simple, and included soft drinks and coffee. [You can tell I’m suffering in a chili desert over here-the Germans have no idea of how to make good chili, and pink beans are hard to find (but beanless chili is more authentic, anyway)]…

It was fascinating to watch the short-order cooks take orders, cook, and do other chores during busy times, without missing a step or messing up.

Here’s a little history, and a video. It appears that someone is trying to relaunch them up in Napa, CA.

Somehow, in my mind, the “Wine Country” doesn’t fit to Doggie Diner (hmmm… what sort of Red pairs well with a chili-dog, burger, and a tamale? Pinot Noir and Zinf?? )….

Here’s a pic at the “Flatiron Building” in Oakland, CA. They were open 24×7 (been there a number of times)
comment image

And a short video history:


Thank you for the photo and the links with more information.

I have seen these before, when I was much younger and visiting on holiday. My aunt (my hostess) would never have taken me there to eat: too ‘common’, ‘you never know who else is eating there’.

I wish the guy who wants to resurrect Doggie Diner all the best in his quest.

Commiserations on the chili dogs. There again, homemade chili is the only way to go.

Wine tip: Côtes du Rhône goes best with hot dogs, chili burgers, hamburgers — and pizza. It is perfect with those foods, so, living where you do, you’ll be in luck.


😉 Stateside, it’s amazing how flexible teenagers can be. 😉

Last edited 1 month ago by kalbokalbs

Really? Ew.


Amateur Psychoanalysis: DP, I think the underlying condition is the need to be noticed. I think it is directly related to the technological-social culture that has captured the developed world over the last two decades. Even among conservatives there is a “need to be mentioned” by our audience. Act a little (or a lot) weird and someone will post a picture. In the past you wanted to go to Broadway or Hollywood for that kind of attention. Now, truly the whole world is a stage. Every phone is a stage; perform or be forgotten.


Started with MySpace and got worse.


Thank You Vaccination Volunteers?

Brave and Free

One look at the car name says it all ” Smart”
Well they think their smart but maybe not so much…..

Cuppa Covfefe

Smart cars (or phones) for stupid people…. and they drive likes bats out of He!!…

Shades of Larry Crowne, where the prof (Tak-gay) says “Only dummies use smart phones in MY class”…

On the other hand, it’s all but impossible to get anything done unless one has “an app for that”…

(Hmmm. With my ancient candybar phone, it would take about a year for even the smallest app to load)…


Its also completely illegal to cover the license plate.


Thats really disturbing. Od like to see who’s driving.

Deplorable Patriot

In a SMART car, a Prius, and a Subaru. I about died realizing that.

Cuppa Covfefe

A friend of mine always used to say “Whoop-ti-do, Subaru”…

But they did (do?) have the “hill-holder” clutch, which is handy in places like SF where there are lots of hills on which to hold (“Where little cable cars, reach halfway to the stars….”).

My VW Touran has one too for our smaller hills over here, and has park-assist too, which is kinda fun… watching people stare while the car basically parks itself… now if only it could wash and fuel itself 🙂


Pardon the language




Elizabeth Carter

Duchess, ThankQ, Liz


Most welcome, Liz!




Thank you, bakocarl!

11 out of 10 points for your post.


Cuppa Covfefe

Agreed! What passes for “the church” and its leaders (at least over here) is a tepid brew of noncommittal, politically-correct (indeed, ONLY political) paeans to the “goddess” GAIA and the environmental and “social justice” movements.

Almost like the “Downgrade Controversy” which Charles Spurgeon faced and fought.

Brilliant work, Carl, and a reminder that will may (and often will) fail, but GOD’S WORD never fails.


We have the same church ‘philosophy’ (for lack of a better word) where I live.

Excellent point about Charles Spurgeon, who used to relax with a cigar. It’s amazing to think that the Downgrade Controversy took place so long ago.



Cuppa Covfefe

“Behold A Pale Horse” is a very good book (by Bill Cooper)…..


Last edited 1 month ago by Cuppa Covfefe

Yes, it is, Cuppa!!! Sad for all of his trouble – they took him out…

Cuppa Covfefe

Yes, sad indeed. They take out anyone that’s on to them.

Another prescient source of info is “The Illuminati Card Game”, created by Steve Jackson back in the 1990s. It has predicted a number of events that couldn’t have been predicted with the accuracy he had unless he had insider (dare I say “Illumined”) knowledge.

Cutting edge has a series of five articles on this. Category is ; the first article is

An exerpt:

Subtitle: In nine pertinent playing cards of the “Illuminati New World Order” Game, how did the inventor know — in 1995 — the three events comprising the 9/11 attacks? How did he know also the correct plan in the near future? Why do his cards predict the appearance of Antichrist and the Rapture as the last two events of the Illuminati Plan?

In 1990, role-playing inventor, Steve Jackson, was planning his newest game, which he would ultimately call the “Illuminati — New World Order” Game, or “INWO” for short. Jackson was creating a game that would hit very, very close to home, very close to the actual plan of the Illuminati to propel the world into the New World Order — also known as the Kingdom of Antichrist. As we shall show you, Jackson issued playing cards, three of which foretold the events of 9/11, three of which correctly predict future events just ahead of us, and two that correctly foretell the last two events that the Bible foretells will occur during the final birth pangs that will produce Antichrist!

How did Steve Jackson know the Illuminati Plan so precisely? In fact, he knew the Plan so exactly he got a surprise visit from the Secret Service, who tried their best to shut him down and prevent him from publishing his game. As you will see from viewing excerpts of Jackson’s account of the raid, they were very interested in his files entitled, “Illuminist BBS”. Let us listen to Jackson’s account of the raid [ %5D

“On the morning of March 1, [1990] without warning, a force of armed Secret Service agents – accompanied by Austin police and at least one civilian ‘expert’ from the phone company – occupied the offices of Steve Jackson Games and began to search for computer equipment. The home … the writer of GURPS Cyberpunk, was also raided. A large amount of equipment was seized, including four computers, two laser printers, some loose hard disks and a great deal of assorted hardware. One of the computers was the one running the Illuminati BBS.”

The company, “S.J. Games” fought back in court and finally won, but nearly went under financially. The investigation zeroed in on “fraud” supposedly committed by the company regarding the hacker activity and the fact that the company promoted the hacker’s newsletter, “Phrack”. However, this is so flimsy that it makes no common sense; in fact, the affidavit made so little sense that a Judge threw the case out, awarding S.J. Games $50,000 plus $250,000 attorney’s fees. That is a lot of taxpayer’s money to pay for a stupid, nonsensical case!

But, it does highlight the fact that our Illuminist government, the Secret Service then run by President George Bush (Sr.) was worried about something that S.J. Games was up to, and cooked up a reason to invade their offices and confiscate their materials. We think, after you review these materials, you will believe, as do I, that the real reason the Secret Service invaded S.J. Games was to shut them down so they could not produce the game “Illuminati — New World Order (INWO), for it revealed too much of the plan that was still 11 years in the future.

You be the judge.

Interesting stuff indeed. Other “indicators” are the covers of the January editions of “The Economist” magazine, which have bizarre, yet revealing artwork. VC ( has a number of articles on that.


Thanks, Cuppa!!! God Bless You Real Good!!!




Ep. 2473a – Countermeasures Are In Place, [CB] Trapped, Boxed In, Bait Taken
X22 Report Published  May 9, 2021


Ep. 2473b – Never Give Up, The Moment Of Truth Is Coming,The News Is Fake, The Panic Is Real
X22 Report Published  May 9, 2021


The Biden administration is having a tough time explaining why the unemployment numbers were a complete miss. They are continually pushing the [CB] agenda of keeping people from working by paying them to stay home. [JB] dodged taxes via a loop hole.The rich are preparing for what is coming. Crypto combined has surpassed the Fed note. The [DS] is continually pushing out fake news about the audit, the news is fake, the panic is real. [BO] sends dog comms, get ready for another funeral. Did the [DS] use the China rocket as a [FF] weapon? Maybe. The audit continues in AZ, Scavino sends a message, never give up, the truth is about to be revealed, the constitution is the only way forward.










Rallies …. SO READY for them!


Been burned so many times … hope he is genuine!
Love this tweet


I missed this tweet of Pompeo’s
Thoguht I would share as I know some readers here will have fun with this one 😉


“Healthy 17 year-old Utah high school athlete develops 3 blood clots in his brain immediately after Covid Vaccine…

DRAPER, Utah (ABC4) – The day after his COVID-19 vaccine shot, 17-year-old Everest Romney felt his neck swelling. In the coming days, he suffered from severe headaches. His mother, who tells ABC4 the pediatrician initially dismissed the symptoms as a pulled neck muscle, says she was convinced it was something else.

“He could not move his neck without the assistance of his hands,” says mother Cherie Romney.


Plus, now her son suffered from fevers and incessant headaches.


Finally, after more than a week of the symptoms, the Corner Canyon High School basketball player and his family had answers: two blood clots inside his brain, and one on the outside.”

Posted in the comments:


We now know that it’s the spike protein which is the potential killer in the covid virus.

The covid vaccines cause our bodies to generate spike proteins identical to the virus’s.

Because the body sees the spike proteins as part of the body, since it generated them itself, it doesn’t fight it.

The vaccines, thus, cause a completely uncontained infection of self generated spike proteins.

The uncontained infection causes all the damage the virus would cause if uncontained, like blood clots, infertility and more.

Thus none of the harmful and deadly side effects are side effects at all but rather effects of the intended function of the vaccines.


There’s a very strong correlation between high vax countries/states and surges in covid positives.

It stands to reason that this very likely is due to the covid pcr tests are seeing these generated proteins as matches for the virus.

Because they are.


A covid vaccination means that your body gets reprogrammed to produce a completely uncontained covid infection inside of you.

Which ultimately will kill or very seriously harm you.

Again, these are NOT side effects, they are the intended effects.

They are lethal injections, genocide shots.


Rod Desantis is a leader.

Kyle Becker (@kylenabecker) Tweeted:


may 9, 2021 the marshall report

According to the Midrash, which is a biblical text of clarification by ancient Judaic authorities, prominent in the Talmud. The word itself means “textual interpretation”, “study”. And to understand it, the Talmud is the body of Jewish civil and ceremonial law and legend comprising the Mishnah and the Gemara. There are two versions of the Talmud: the Babylonian Talmud (which dates from the 5th century ad but includes earlier material) and the earlier Palestinian or Jerusalem Talmud.

[Excerpt] Read more at the link above…



Ohhh THIS is that equity thing the DemCommies keep yammering about


With their oil revenues, Venezuela was once one of the wealthiest countries in the Western Hemisphere.


It just struck me that Obama’s dog comms and Biden’s picture with the Carters is signalling we are going to have a funeral for Jimmy Carter. Another distraction from Arizona et al.


Yes, I agree, Linda – he probably died long ago – and they will roll him out to clog the news cycle for an entire week.


They’ll be lionizing him as the greatest president EVUH! But we who lived through that time will know differently. He was my CIC when I was in the military.


Carter, worst president ever. Then hussein came along and claimed, worst president ever. Sadly, now we have His Fraudulence, Beijing Biden eclipsing them both for bottom dweller.


Didn’t they make the same mistake with Ruthie?


They sure did.



Cracking up!


I don’t know how the 2nd tweet appeared…nobody wants to see It’s cleavage


Looks like it was drawn or smudged into the photo – fake, phony, and false.


All you vax brainiacs…any ideas about this ? Hoax ?

Last edited 1 month ago by mollypitcher5

That’s just freaky, Molly!!!


Chuckling to myself…

The dummy admits to getting the “vaccine”. Dummy wearing a mask, indoors at her home? Wonder if she socially distances in her home.

Last edited 1 month ago by kalbokalbs

Yeah…it seems a little too strange…for all the reasons you mentioned

Cuppa Covfefe

Maybe she’s protecting herself from a computer virus? 😆

(Or, worse, she thinks FAKOVID can spread by computer)…