“We do not believe any group of men adequate enough or wise enough to operate without scrutiny or without criticism. We know that the only way to avoid error is to detect it, that the only way to detect it is to be free to inquire. We know that in secrecy error undetected will flourish and subvert.” –J. Robert Oppenheimer
We’re being lied to by our media. Lutsenko, the Prosecutor General of Ukraine, did NOT retract a statement about Yovanovich “She had a Do Not Prosecute List”, but it was an oral list, which Lutsenko wrote down…… and then he kicked her out of his office.
I had to magnify the pic from Glenn Beck’s video, searched and searched the internet. Finally, I found the author on Facebook, befriended her, and went back to the date of published article. Sure enough, once I translated the article, there it was. Here she is – Maria Zhartovskaya. She was a correspondent for Forbes, and it looks like she grew up in NYC https://m.facebook.com/zhartovska
Watch this video first to see how the media created the lie.
Okay, now here is the link to the actual source, which was twisted to create the lie.
The meeting [with the ambassador] was at the GPU, at this table (certificate- The interview was recorded in the Attorney General’s office., in January 2017.) It did not take place face to face. She was not alone, and I was not alone. Ms. Jovanovich was interested in the case of [former Deputy Attorney General] Vitaliy Kaska [whom the Kyiv prosecutor’s office suspected of fraud during the privatization of housing]. The fact that Mr Kasko registered a mother who had never left Lviv in an office apartment – these were signs of abuse. (certificate – In January 2017, the Kiev prosecutor’s office closed the case against Kask “for insufficient evidence.”.)
According to her, Casco was a prominent anti-corruption activist, and the criminal case [against him] discredited anti-corruption officials. I laid out the details [of the case] and explained that I could not open and close the proceedings at will. He called a number of so-called anti-corruption cases that are taking place in the cases. She said it was unacceptable, she said, undermining the credibility of anti-corruption activists. I took a leaflet, wrote down the names, and said, “dictate the list of untouchables.” She says, “No, you misunderstood me.” I say, “No, I understood you correctly; Previously, such lists were written by [the Presidential Administration] on the Bank, and you propose new lists from the Tank (certificate – The US Embassy in Ukraine is located on V. Sikorsky Street (former Tank) in Kiev.». The meeting is over. I’m afraid the emotions weren’t very good.
Due to comments public and private, which have escalated to levels which could theoretically constitute evidence in criminal and civil trials, I have been forced to suspend posting by two individuals. Both the public and private comments are of questionable legality, and appear to be admissible in both civil and criminal proceedings.
Both the public and private comments are potentially usable to close this site.
Acting with an abundance of caution to preserve both sites, I am forced to suspend posting and preserve evidence. The final private message WILL BE MADE PUBLIC so that neither I, WordPress, nor this site can be accused of hiding evidence.
The policy of NUCLEAR SUNSHINE on private messages is posted HERE, on the “Contact” page, along with the instructions about how to send private messages.
Note that there is NO EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY with private messages here. From the beginning of this capability, I have made it extremely clear that I do not like private messages, and believe that secrecy can be abused to create traps of various kinds. I have made clear that I can and will publicize private messages as needed to break up traps and leverage of various kinds. I will not hide or destroy evidence, and there is an abundance of the stuff now.
Although I know that federal officials are actively monitoring all information at this site, including “private messages”, it is important to remove all doubt.
I will post more information later and answer selected questions from any comments below.
I regret having to take this action. Not only does it tarnish our free speech record – it removes two posters whose interactions WITH ME have been enjoyable and rewarding. However, this is no longer a tolerable situation. When things get EVIDENTIARY, I believe it’s time to SHUT IT DOWN. No chances will be taken. NONE.
THESE SITES WILL RAIN HELL ON THE SOVIET DEMOCRATS IN 2020, AND NO WEAPON FORMED AGAINST US WILL BE ALLOWED TO ACHIEVE ITS OBJECTIVE.
W
PS – comments on these actions must remain CIVIL on Q Tree, and LEGAL on U Tree. I shall remain the sole judge of both. Note that I may act in an abundance of caution on both as well.
Announcement 2 (20191118):
I regret having to go into more detail than I did earlier, but questions, concerns, and opinions from well-meaning people leave me no real choice. I have no “probably secure” means of privately informing members. It is precisely because I anticipated the need for this step, that I previously notified everybody of staged announcements in this post.
I had hoped I would be wrong about needing a second announcement, but down deep, I knew.
So here goes.
There are multiple SPECIFIC reasons WHY I took the actions that I did. Not all of them can be shared publicly, but ALL of them are important for the following GENERAL reasons downstream of the specifics:
the well-being of this site
my personal security
the well-being of people on the site
the safety of the people suspended
the future of the Q movement
To a careful and limited extent, I’m going to share information about the SPECIFIC REASONS so that people can understand how and why they are necessary in support of the GENERAL REASONS.
It’s easiest to start at the end of the list.
First of all you need to understand that there is an ongoing, persistent, and (in my opinion) DIABOLICAL effort to slander the Q movement as violent. In a strong and valid sense, this is a form of controlling the opposition, so that those who oppose us can manipulate our speech, our behavior, and our FUTURE. They are doing everything they can to COUPLE the ideas of free speech and violence as a means to GASLIGHT HUMANITY into a state of CONTROL.
This is all based on a contradiction driven by our animal natures, wherein speech drives emotion in dumbed-down humans. Every one of us can be finagled into “chimping out”, if the Communists are persistent enough to find the means, in their patient, Maoist way. When you see me HITTING CHINA HARD in the future, it will be in part because CHINA deserves push-back for what is happening here.
When in doubt where it’s coming from, HIT CHINA.
The disease is complicated, but the cure is simple. Yeah, I know that China is a front for others, but still – THAT is where best to address the BTFO. Stop China, stop their masters.
So why, then, do we need to ban some of OUR members? Isn’t that “helping the enemy”?
First of all, that depends on the specific member. There are different reasons here, and the different reasons known publicly have most of the people here championing the return of one member but not the other.
Without risking sources and methods, it is important for me to state that BOTH MEMBERS were strongly flagged as site risks in the final stage of Wolf’s Extreme Vetting. I chose to “note” but not to act upon those flags. I now believe that this was an error.
It is entirely possible that I allowed my PERSONAL FEELINGS to overcome my PROFESSIONAL JUDGMENT by not acting immediately to either not approve or belatedly suspend memberships.
Based on what has transpired, it would be NEGLIGENT of me to ignore those same warnings again.
NOW – none of this is to say anything bad about either individual. Just because a person was accurately deemed by some method to be a potential risk to THE MISSION OF THIS SITE says nothing about them as a friend, an ally, a fellow American, a fellow patriot, or just a good person, made in the image of God. It’s all about THIS PARTICULAR SITE and THE FUTURE. Take that however you want to take it.
If you want to take it as “woo-woo” – take it that way. If you want to take it as just another coincidence, take it that way. All I know is that I am now forced to respect the prediction.
It was a predicted risk. I chose to ignore the prediction. It happened.
FUTURE PROVES PAST.
Now we get into the meat of why this matters.
When indictments and evidence begin to come out, the FAKE NEWS will do everything in its power to protect the COUP PLOTTERS and ATTACK PRESIDENT TRUMP.
Sites like this are going to be under fire like NEVER BEFORE.
WE are on the FRONT LINES. We are ON POINT.
If the FAKE NEWS featuring people like KFILE and WAKE-UP MAGGIE can help take out a “QAnon Conspiracy Site” as the next 8chan to harm President Trump, using a MERE-MINUTES LEAD on “violent” posts that miraculously pop up here while I’m away, do you think they might do it?
Do you understand now why I automatically moderate every new poster here?
Do you understand why very sketchy happenings in my personal life keep me on my toes?
I can’t afford a bodyguard, and the other side is taking all kinds of risks to find out how much and what types of security I *DO* have.
They have ALREADY spent a considerable sum to get PRESENT and FUTURE information.
But there is something that matters even more than ME. That something is YOU.
The other side will very COLDLY target and use innocent people to achieve its objectives. Those innocent people may be just bystanders, but they can also be PARTICIPANTS, used as TOOLS in complex political dramas. If the other side thought for even a moment that they could use ANY OF YOU as a way to get to me with 100% deniability and acceptable risk, and that plan required TWO BODIES on the slab, they would do it in a HEARTBEAT.
In my experience, in plots that I have busted, the other side has repeatedly set things up so that somebody who I had reckoned as THEIR PRIME ASSET either COULD or WOULD be eliminated in the process. Those realizations are always a bit stomach-turning.
In other words, in “Epstein vs. Prince Andrew”, BOTH are in danger.
This is NOT a game. I ask all of you to join me in DOING THE RIGHT THING – which is not always the EASY THING.
Let us all go where the path to victory takes us – because in the end – WWG1WGA.
What’s the over/under on Marie breaking out into tears during testimony? Marie thinks President Trump was mean to her, implies she “feels threatened”. Really, Marie?
From President Zelinsky to President Trump: “……It was great that you were the first one who told me that she was a bad Ambassador because I agree with you 100%. Her attitude towards me was far from the best as she admired the previous President and was on his side. She would not accept me as a new President well enough.“
Background: Yovanovitch was born in 1958, in Canada. Her parents were Russian emmigrees, moved to Connecticut at age 3. Parents were professors, taught Russian. She grew up speaking Russian. Naturalized American citizen at age 18. Graduated Kent School in ’76, went to Princeton, BA in History and Russian Studies, entered foreign service. Posts in Canada, Moscow, London, Mogadishu, and Kyrgyzstan. Deputy Chief of Mission in Kiev, Ukraine from August 2001 to June 2004 (right up to the Orange Revolution). Then appointed Ambassador to Kyrgyzstan, Ambassador to Armenia. Back to State Dept in 2011, helped get rid of missiles in Poland (bad idea-Obama gave it away and got nothing in return). Announced as Amb to Ukraine on May 18, 2016 (note date), approved August 29th of 2016, just in time for US election.
Used her office as Hillary Clinton headquarters, working with Glenn Simpson and Fusion GPS.
Yovanovich is also implicated in the Black Ledger docs which magically appeared (implied Manafort was receiving millions in cash payments) and were supplied to the prosecutors in Ukraine along with a simultaneous delivery to the New York Times.
May 2019, After Durham’s visit to Ukraine, Yovanovitch was fired and the evident outrage by the left was for good reason. This is where the Atlantic Council, AntAC, but more importantly Nellie Ohr and her mentor’s involvement in #crossfirehurricane, came to light.
Yovanovitch and Sergiy: As an Ambassador to the USA, worked with an MP in Parliament, Sergiy Leshchenko.
Leshchenko is a hard left fascist radical (used to be an investigative journalist) who leaked the Party of Regions docs on Manafort to the NYTimes. He was found GUILTY of the leak, convicted for meddling in a US Election of 2016. The conviction was overturned on “standing of suing party” and “statute of limitations” technicalies. No denying Sergiy did it – he’s proud of it. He doesn’t seem to understand he’s an MP now and not a rag reporter with journalist immunity to smear. Almost 100% consensus the documents were faked, provenance is sketchy, but the trick worked and Manafort was forced to resign the following day. https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/229471/ukrainian-mp-manafort-secrets
Yovanovitch and PRESIDENT Zelinsky: Zelinsky does not like Yovanovitch and implied she told him she preferred the previous President. I believe that’s from the phone call on July 25th – Again:
From President Zelinsky to President Trump: “……It was great that you were he first one who told me that she was a bad Ambassador because I agree with you 100%. Her attitude towards me was far from the best as she admired the previous President and was on his side. She would not accept me as a new President well enough.“
Yovanovitch and George Kent: In her testimony, Marie claims she never spoke to George about Burisma or Hunter Biden. Really? George Kent was her Deputy. George Kent complained about the appearance of conflict of interest for Hunter Biden, to the VP’s staff, directly…….. but he never spoke to Marie?
Yovanovitch and Giuliani: Judge for yourself.
Yovanovitch Surveillance of Americans:(Judicial Watch) Judicial Watch has obtained information indicating Yovanovitch may have violated laws and government regulations by ordering subordinates to target certain U.S. persons using State Department resources. Yovanovitch reportedly ordered monitoring keyed to the following search terms: Biden, Giuliani, Soros and Yovanovitch. Judicial Watch has filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request with the State Department and will continue gathering facts from government sources.
Prior to being recalled as ambassador to Ukraine in the spring Yovanovitch reportedly created a list of individuals who were to be monitored via social media and other means. Ukraine embassy staff made the request to the Washington D.C. headquarters office of the department’s Bureau of European and Eurasian Affairs. After several days, Yovanovitch’s staff was informed that the request was illegal and the monitoring either ceased or was concealed via the State Department Global Engagement Center, which has looser restrictions on collecting information.
“This is not an obscure rule, everyone in public diplomacy or public affairs knows they can’t make lists and monitor U.S. citizens unless there is a major national security reason,” according to a senior State Department official. If the illicit operation occurred, it seems to indicate a clear political bias against the president and his supporters.
Hidden in the new law – Section 1287 – are the funding and guidelines necessary to establish a Global Engagement Center. The wording is sufficiently vague enough for the GEC to become a Ministry of Truth.
Section 1287, (a) Establishment, (2) Purpose: The purpose of the Center shall be to lead, synchronize, and coordinate efforts of the Federal Government to recognize, understand, expose, and counter foreign state and non-state propaganda and disinformation efforts aimed at undermining United States national security interests.
From 2017
National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2017 into law last Friday while Americans were busy making their last minute Christmas preparations. The vote in the Senate on December 8th was 85-13 where its sponsor was John McCain. Only two Republicans voted against the final version before it was sent to President Obama to sign. It had passed the House a week earlier by a vote of 375-34 with no more than 5 Republicans voting against it. Paul Ryan wasn’t one of them.
Hidden in the new law – Section 1287 – are the funding and guidelines necessary to establish a Global Engagement Center.
Yovanovitch will play the victim.
State Dept has rallied around her
WASHINGTON, DC – JANUARY 20: President-elect Donald Trump (C) and President Barack Obama (R) are greeted by members of the Congressional leadership including House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) as they arrive for Trump’s inauguration ceremony at the Capitol on January 20, 2017 in Washington, DC. Trump became the 45th president of the United States. (Photo by J. Scott Applewhite – Pool/Getty Images)
“……“bribery” as defined under the constitution for impeachment speaks to the President receiving cash or value to take an action for the benefit of a foreign power. [Pelosi has the entire thing reversed]…” SD
Welcome to the Open Thread!!!!!! Open Thread is very open – VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA / KAG! / KMAG world (KMAG being a bit of both MAGA and KAG!).
I know, I know, it’s not even Thanksgiving yet, but the WH Official Christmas Ornament is out and it’s a copy of Marine One! Completely different than anything else. Love it.
You can say what you want, comment on what other people said, and so on.
Free Speech is practiced here. ENJOY IT. Use it or lose it.
Keep it SOMEWHAT civil. They tried to FORCE fake Orwellian civility on us. In response, we CHOOSE true civility to defend our precious FREEDOM from THEM.
Our rules began with the civility of the Old Treehouse, later to become the Wolverinian Empire, and one might say that we have RESTORED THE OLD REPUBLIC – the early high-interaction model of the Treehouse – except of course that Q discussion is not only allowed but encouraged, and speech is considerably freer in other ways.
Please feel free to argue and disagree with the board owner, as nicely as possible. Please also consider the Important Guidelines, outlined in the January 1st open thread. Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven.
SPEAK THE FIVE WORDS BOLDLY TO OUR PRESIDENT!
“I AM PRAYING FOR YOU!
Fellow tree dweller Wheatie gave us some good reminders on the basics:
No food fights.
No running with scissors.
If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
Aubergine’s Razor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Brad Parscale is our beloved Campaign Manager and he is rewriting the rules.
WOW!
$3,144,257 RAISED YESTERDAY!@realDonaldTrump loves these huge numbers.
He knows that it isn’t enough to end this IMPEACHMENT SCAM. We're upping the goal to $5 MILLION!
