Dear KAG: 20201216 Open Thread

Are we having fun yet?

Given the sheer amount of stuff going on, we’ll just skip straight to the important stuff.

Power breakfast frittata (made this yesterday);

1 cup leftover veggies (yesterday it was sweet and bell peppers, onions and broccoli)

1 cup leftover meat cut smallish (yesterday it was chicken breast fillets with roasted garlic. Bacon is always a good alternative, just cook it first.)

6 pastured eggs


Grease a 9″ pie plate with butter

Spread the veggies and meat in the bottom

Whisk the eggs with a little Kosher salt and fresh ground black pepper

Pour the eggs over the veggies and meat in the pie plate.

Bake at 350 for around 30-35 minutes until the center is solid.

Pull out of the oven and let it set before serving.

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And please add all the legal teams as they take our fight to court.

And just for fun, in a carnivorish sort of way, now that the nation’s Honey Badger is resigning…LANGUAGE AND WILD KINGDOM WARNING:

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Has anyone seen this!?

This is comms, for sure:


One of them is a glass house. Those in glass houses “shouldn’t throw stones?”

The other is supposedly a code. There is a “key” on the cookie, which changes that houses name from Kryptos to “Zryptos” it looks like.

This is weird stuff.

Cuppa Covfefe

Hope a lot of them end up in the Big House!!!

Wolf Moon

It’s very interesting. Agree it’s comms – but deniable.

Wolf Moon

I’m almost bleary-eyed trying to get the “ciphertext” copied out onto paper to make sure I’m reading it right. I may start a post later, or at least a subthread in the daily.


Well, it seems to repeat. I copied for a while and realized it. But maybe the repeat is a headfake. Maybe it changes somewhere and that is the key?

Wolf Moon

Interesting! Yes – there is room for chicanery in the places that can’t be seen.

Likewise, what if the keys are for the two pages, or the two different repeats (1LVP and 2LVP)? Two highly different plaintexts colliding to the same or almost same ciphertext would be very cute.

But whatever. I think it’s a distraction. One code jock at NSA will figure it out immediately, using AI and a standard pack of algos, and I’m sure the white hats already have this figured out!

Wolf Moon

Yes – working on it – more in a bit (too tired).


Does anyone follow/read ToRE @Tweetwordz on Twitter? She has some interesting threads.

She posted this today:

Only those ELECTED in 2016 are ACTUALLY elected. In fact Donald Trump
is THE LAST PRESIDENT elected – elections 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020 are INVALID due to violations of HAVA ACT 2002. Therefore Speaker Pelosi
you are not legitimate.

She claims that voting machines haven’t been certified since 2016 election.

Who knows what’s really going on?


Gail Combs

I can not find anything on the timing of the required up date for re-certification.

Here is the Act from the Dept of Justice.

On October 29, 2002, President Bush signed the “Help America Vote Act of 2002,” (HAVA), Pub. L. No. 107-252, 116 Stat. 1666 (2002) into law. The HAVA is codified at 52 U.S.C. 20901 to 21145. After the House of Representatives, on December 12, 2001, and the Senate on April 11, 2002, passed differing versions of H.R. 3295, joint conferees were named to reconcile the differences and adopted a conference report on October 8, 2002, which was then passed by the House and Senate without amendment.

The Help America Vote Act of 2002

creating a new federal agency to serve as a clearinghouse for election administration information;

providing funds to states to improve election administration and replace outdated voting systems; and

creating minimum standards for states to follow in several key areas of election administration.


The United States has enforced HAVA through both litigation and by informing jurisdictions of the Department’s views on the Act’s requirements.

The Department of Justice has released a guide to improving accessibility of polling places for disabled voters.

             ADA Checklist for Polling Places

Help America Vote Act – FAQ’s


Department of Health and Human Services


Election Assistance Commission


National Institute of Standards and Technology 

Updated September 11, 2020

This is the law:

From Cornell Law:
52 U.S. Code Part B—Testing, Certification, Decertification, and Recertification of Voting System Hardware and Software
52 U.S. Code § 20971.Certification and testing of voting systems

(a)Certification and testing

(1)In general

The Commission shall provide for the testing, certification, decertification, and recertification of voting system hardware and software by accredited laboratories.

(2)Optional use by States

At the option of a State, the State may provide for the testing, certification, decertification, or recertification of its voting system hardware and software by the laboratories accredited by the Commission under this section.

(b)Laboratory accreditation

(1)Recommendations by National Institute of Standards and Technology

Not later than 6 months after the Commission first adopts voluntary voting system guidelines under subpart 3 of part A of this subchapter, the Director of the National Institute of Standards and Technology shall conduct an evaluation of independent, non-Federal laboratories and shall submit to the Commission a list of those laboratories the Director proposes to be accredited to carry out the testing, certification, decertification, and recertification provided for under this section.

(2)Approval by Commission

(A)In general

The Commission shall vote on the accreditation of any laboratory under this section, taking into consideration the list submitted under paragraph (1), and no laboratory may be accredited for purposes of this section unless its accreditation is approved by a vote of the Commission.

(B)Accreditation of laboratories not on Director list

The Commission shall publish an explanation for the accreditation of any laboratory not included on the list submitted by the Director of the National Institute of Standards and Technology under paragraph (1).

(c)Continuing review by National Institute of Standards and Technology

(1)In general

In cooperation with the Commission and in consultation with the Standards Board and the Board of Advisors, the Director of the National Institute of Standards and Technology shall monitor and review, on an ongoing basis, the performance of the laboratories accredited by the Commission under this section, and shall make such recommendations to the Commission as it considers appropriate with respect to the continuing accreditation of such laboratories, including recommendations to revoke the accreditation of any such laboratory.

(2)Approval by Commission required for revocation

The accreditation of a laboratory for purposes of this section may not be revoked unless the revocation is approved by a vote of the Commission.


Until such time as the Commission provides for the testing, certification, decertification, and recertification of voting system hardware and software by accredited laboratories under this section, the accreditation of laboratories and the procedure for the testing, certification, decertification, and recertification of voting system hardware and software used as of October 29, 2002, shall remain in effect.


Thank you for posting this. I appreciate your doing so.


Do know for a fact that 2012 was screwed around with too.
One of the forums I was in at the time was going WTF. At first people were posting about 100% turnouts in some districts, which is next to impossible but could happen. Then we were seeing districts with 110%, 120% and I think there a couple even higher. H3LL one would have to be an idiot not to know that anything above 100% is not even possible
Seems as soon as those reports were being discovered, Romney conceded and Obama was declared the winner.
Do believe that something fishy has been going on since 2008. I can’t put my finger on it really but it started with the Democratic primaries. Although many Democrats were complaining about how the DNC was handling the primary, the DNC told us Democrats that they could put anyone they wanted on the ticket, regardless of how Democrats voted. (We have seen this twice with their dismissal of Sanders twice)!
Through some forums I know several of the 2008 delegates for Hillary! In good ole Democratic Mafia fashion these and many other delegates and their families were threatened! They were threatened with financial ruin and bodily harm. The ones that dared go to the Convention were barred from the Convention floor.
Now these are the people we are supposed to trust? NOT me.


Dan Greenfield says what’s been bugging us all along:

Protect Election Integrity – Censor Anyone Who Questions the Election

“Last week, Google’s YouTube announced that “supporting the integrity” of the election required it to censor anyone alleging that “widespread fraud or errors changed the outcome of a historical U.S. Presidential election”.”

“Election integrity traditionally meant verifying the integrity of the process, but is now being used to mean silencing anyone who questions the integrity of the election.”

“The oligarchy has spent every minute since the election crying that contesting an election is illegitimate, a threat to what it calls “democracy”, and must be stopped to save our country.

Free countries aren’t that fragile. Unfree ones are very fragile.

Every time you hear another media screed about the threat posed by “disinformation”, you’re hearing an admission that their rule over this country is totalitarian and very fragile. And when you hear them lecture about the need to protect “election integrity” by suppressing critics, you’re hearing an admission that they rig elections whenever they can and are afraid you’ll find out.

Any faction that spends this much time protesting its integrity, doesn’t have any to protest.”

Link –


You all have seen the Time magazine picture of Biden and Harris. Well I posted the Trump one and it is flying all over FB. Knock on wood no one is slamming the post just sharing it with positive results.
Hey i snagged it off someone in a group I’m in.
Caption reads “This is better Flood FB with this. Let’s make it go viral”

Usually most of us ignore the share or make it go viral posts.
OVER 55 shares & I only have like 250 friends on what i use as my FB political account, Oh and people are sharing from the 55 too.

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Wolf Moon

Good stuff!!!


Hey it over 60 now–seems people love sharing it.


This is on FB–When I do a search the only current addie is Sundance’s page.
Think any one that wants to see it know how to get to the tree house

JUST IN: Director of National Intelligence
DNI Ratcliffe says “There was foreign election interference by China, Iran, and Russia in November of this year.”


Bill Melugin (@BillFOXLA) Tweeted:
Big news out of San Diego, where a judge will allow restaurants to reopen with safety protocols after failing to see evidence linking restaurants to #COVID19 surges & ICU capacity.



A few words about this incident…


1. By federal law and regulation, the Pilot-In-Command (ie. the Captain) is the FINAL authority ON BOARD any aircraft.

2. The flight attendants, the gate agents, and even the First Officer DO NOT HAVE the FINAL AUTHORITY ON BOARD an aircraft. ONLY the Captain.

Read those 2 again.

Now re-read it once more.

3. Any OTHER airline employee asking or telling you to do something ON BOARD the aircraft is doing so only WITH the authority of the PIC (pronounced “pee-eye-see”…ie. Pilot-In-Command….ie. the Captain).

All too often, things like this happen WITHOUT THE CAPTAIN EVEN KNOWING ABOUT IT.

4. Many flight attendant are morons. They can also be on power trips. Usually the two go hand in hand.

5. Many flight attendants (ie. the cabin crew) are hard core democrats. Conversely and by comparison, most flight crew (ie. the pilots) are conservatives.

These unfortunate souls met with a moron on a power trip who lacks empathy of any kind. Had this couple known they could do so, they could have APPEALED to the Captain…the FINAL AUTHORITY. They could have politely asked to speak directly with the Captain, who VERY LIKELY would have empathized….in every way…with this couple and would have allowed them to stay on board.

Guess what? There isn’t anything the flight attendant could do about it. Re-read #1 above.

If you find yourself dealing with an unreasonable flight attendant (FA), ask (politely) to speak with the Captain. Insist upon it if the FA says no, and tell the FA you are well aware of who…by law… the FINAL AUTHORITY ON BOARD.

It is NOT the FA.

And the FA well knows it, too.


Advice like this comes with caveats.

Most often a Captain WILL have the time to come speak with you prior to a departure, But not always. Many things….usually a combination of things….can be taking up all of his time prior to closing the doors and pushing back from the gate. Also, if there is less than 10 minutes to scheduled departure…be aware….10 minutes to pushback is a BIGGIE to the gate agents and the company.

If you make the Captain come talk to you when he is super busy…or there is less than 10 minutes to pushback….he is not going to be as likely to be very empathetic to your issue as he otherwise might be if had the available time to come talk with you. Be sensitive to both his time and the scheduled departure time.

No matter what….
Stay CALM. Do not be verbally or visibly angry or upset. Use conversational tones. Watch your body language. No pointing or wild gestures.

If any when you DO get to speak with the Captain….Keep it simple. No long story, no justifications why you are right and the FA is wrong. Just the facts and why you are appealing to him directly.

Know that going in you are going to be asking the Captain to over-ride the decision(s) of the flight attendant(s). He is not going to want to do that as a matter of practicality. However, every Captain worth his/her salt knows what I just shared about FA’s. Moreover, you might get lucky in that your situation is just the issue he was hoping for in order to put his foot down on a unruly FA who has been causing problems during their assigned trip. It happens.

If the Captain agrees with the FA, that’s it. You’re done. No more arguing. Interference with the crew in the performance of their duties is a federal felony. Trust me….you DO NOT want to go there. Arguing with the Captain of a commercial airline ON BOARD his/her aircraft is about the dumbest thing one could possibly do, and it is NOT going to end well for the person who does so.

Use good judgement, stay calm, and always remember that the Captain is the FINAL AUTHORITY ON BOARD.

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My take this is to first take a deep breathe and step back in your head so you are out of your emotional zone. Just do as you are told politely and without argument. It does not mean you can’t politely ask question. If you can hit the record button on your cell phone. do so immediately! Then see someone who know law and complain to the authorities.
The more you make yourself a pain, the more any type of case will go against you.


I’m speaking, informally, as the Captain of a major airline with several decades of experience. Do with it as you will.

Caveat emptor.

Last edited 11 months ago by ForGodandCountry

Hey all I am saying is it you lose your temper, even if the airline employee is out of line and being really nasty it will not look good in the long and most likely go against you.
Remember, even if you do or do not hit your record button, in today’s world there will probably be 1 half dozen or more taping the incident too.
Like you said don’t make the captain come back, especially if it means more delays.


That’s not at all what I just said….with the exception of keeping cool.


Sorry that is my take or would you rather i say opinion on the airline debacles going on.
For that matter for any similar type incident that happens like that.
Taking the chance of losing your temper by standing your ground by arguing with the stewardess, police officer teacher, store clerk or whomever it might be will usually end up with it falling down against you.
So unless you are being instructed to do something that might Jeopardize yours or someone else’s life just follow the request and take the matter up at a later time with the appropriate authorities. .

Last edited 11 months ago by kinthenorthwest

Yup. Has to be that way, even if you’re Captain Bligh in command of a lifeboat.


I can confirm. Once when I worked for FedEx I had used our jump seat to go to Tn. On the way back I was using standby on a commercial airline. I had been bumped a few times and was exhausted after about 12 hrs. Finally one flight had one seat in 1st class and the FA said no , can’t be seated there. The Captain happened to be at the desk. He heard the exchange and said “let her on”. The FA was really hot about it. Yay! I’ll never forget that man. Very grateful for him.


Good Captains will never let an opportunity to remind a power-tripped FA who is the boss pass by.

Remember, many FA’s are ignorant….which means they are democrats….which means they love to have power over other people. It’s one of the prime reasons they wanted their shitty, under-paid job to begin with.


It seems to be getting worse. I used to fly a lot . In the last years and my latest flight during covid. Damn they were downright lazy and bitchy. They commandeered the bulkhead seats and literally played on their phones except when they begrudgingly threw some tiny packets of crackers and a cup of water.

Because of muh broken knee I was allowed in bulkhead. One guy about 7′ tall had paid extra to board 1st in hopes of getting one of those seats. No. they wouldn’t budge even though they weren’t using all 6.


I would have been afraid of something noxious ending up in my mimosa. Good for you!


Hahaha..I was so tired didn’t want anything except to I could go to work that night.
The rest of the story. These obnoxious guys plow on, into 1st class. I knew they were some band but couldn’t place them in my head. One of them kept yelling “let’s get this party started” over and over. OMG. Finally I asked the one sitting next to me who they were. He says like ‘what you don’t know us?’ was Brett Michaels and Poison. LOL..all I could say was..that’s cool..I’m tired !..Must’ve been a brief ego bruise for him.

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Wolf Moon

Very useful information. Thank you! This makes tons of sense.

I can now see when this might have greatest effect – when the FA is clearly being unreasonable and lacks “logical cover” – and the captain has TIME to deal with it, and to enforce a reasonable solution.

More likely, under these circumstances, it would seem to me that a scheming FA may realize that the last thing they want is a reasonable passenger talking to a reasonable pilot, and thus they will try to “back down while scoring some phony self-esteem points on exit to retain the appearance of power”.


For all of the trust the plan folks, we are down to about 35 days or so. If it does not work out I hope you have a therapy plan worked out. Alcohol, drugs excluded. I hope PT nukes them. Still waiting. The swamp is deep. And corrupt. We the people let it get that way over the decades.


I have seen exactly ZERO evidence that it will NOT work out.

On the contrary…

Every plot and plan of the DS vs. Donald Trump has lost.

Let that sink in.

Wolf Moon

Think about it. We are literally at the point where President Trump had these bastards on FAKE ELECTIONS and a concerted plot to cover them up.


Half of the other half KNOWS IT’S TRUE.

The way I look at this is an analogy.

Lucy Pelosi pulled the football again – not on Charlie Brown – on CHUCK NORRIS.

Think Chuck can’t KICK LUCY IN THE HEAD – knowing on every STEP she would pull the ball?

I’d say he’s going to kick the head and make it land in CHINA.


Uh, we’ll be fine. President Trump WILL prevail.


“For all of the trust the plan folks, we are down to about 35 days or so. If it does not work out I hope you have a therapy plan worked out.”


Nobody ever said what ‘the plan’ was, so as a logical consequence, it’s not possible to ‘trust’ it.

I do trust DJT to do the right thing though.

Because he loves our country, because it would be an act of Treason to hand the country over to a CCP asset (Pedophile Joe), and because if he does, he won’t have any protection from the enemy, the moment he’s out of power, and they’re in power.

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come to timmy

found on Gab:
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come to timmy

And they’ve only ramped it up. Except I don’t really watch any of these, except maybe for clips others share. Don’t know who half of them are. So it’s better to say they probably have ramped it up and will keep doing so, even when the dam finally busts open. Wow that’ll be something to see won’t it? Might start watching them on youtube. It’ll be a long time before anything like this happens again.

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So many queers in that group pic.


Yup. Self-obsessed, arrogant, and not very bright. And when your sexuality is your identity, there’s a problem.


Now that you mention it, I think all of them are 😂 🤣 😂


What a bunch of miserable fugly pukes 🤮‼️

come to timmy

Just saw something on Gab about that Ruby Freeman flipping. Is in witness protection.


Can’t be. That mentality is taught from birth. And you know what happens to snitches.


Plus it’s not just her, her daughter was the other one with blond braids. She’s not going to rat her out too.


We see you .. bwahahahahaha .. ‼️ 🇺🇸❤️🇺🇸‼️

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miserable putz traitor …

behold, seditious traitors of the United States of America … rope allergies are bad … for you

Wolf Moon


come to timmy

Lin Wood was asking about it is all. ????

Wolf Moon

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… 🤨👍‼️🇺🇸❤️🇺🇸‼️ .. 🖖😎🤚

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