Dear KAG: 20201217 Open Thread

Take a deep breath folks. The information is coming out fast and furious now. It’s like the eagle is screaming, just like it was the first time I rode it. (Yes, the chain on the lift hill IS that noisy.)

WHEW! Yep. Almost 45 years later it still squeals.

Okay, so, so much is going on and so many grenades and smoke bombs have been thrown in the last week, who knows where we are other than stockpiling two weeks worth of food.

That being the case, a round up other than Senator Johnson going off on Senator Peters is probably not accurate. True to an extent, but accurate is another matter.

Now that I can FINALLY get to putting the ornaments on the seven foot pine tree in the living room, some music for inspiration:

And another favorite:

And one for the Democrats, RINOs and all various cabal hangers on:

Please, add your own favorites in the comments.


As usual, this is the daily thread, the place to put all information that needs to be out there – Q drops, Q drop decodes, riot information, news flashes, Chy-na flu updates, fashionable mask photos, satire, memes, and of course cute animal videos.

In the meantime, the short and sweet version of “THE RULES” is here borrowed from Tuesday:

Guidelines for posting and discussion on this site were outlined by our host, WolfM00n. Please, review them from time to time.

The discourse on this site is to be CIVIL – no name calling, baiting, or threatening others here is allowed. Those who are so inclined may visit Wolf’s other sanctuary, the U-Tree, to slog it out.

This site is a celebration of the natural rights endowed to humans by our Creator as well as those enshrined in the Bill of Rights adopted in the founding documents of the United States of America. Within the limits of law, how we exercise these rights is part of the freedom of our discussion.

Fellow tree dweller Wheatie gave us some good reminders on the basics of civility in political discourse:

  1. No food fights…okay wrapped chocolate miniatures are fair game
  2. No running with scissors, we’re going to need them to cut wrapping paper
  3. If you bring snacks, be sure they are made with bacon


Psalm 71/72

[2] Give to the king thy judgment, O God: and to the king’s son thy justice: To judge thy people with justice, and thy poor with judgment. [3] Let the mountains receive peace for the people: and the hills justice. [4] He shall judge the poor of the people, and he shall save the children of the poor: and he shall humble the oppressor. [5] And he shall continue with the sun, and before the moon, throughout all generations.

[6] He shall come down like rain upon the fleece; and as showers falling gently upon the earth. [7] In his days shall justice spring up, and abundance of peace, till the moon be taken away. [8] And he shall rule from sea to sea, and from the river unto the ends of the earth. [9] Before him the Ethiopians shall fall down: and his enemies shall lick the ground. [10] The kings of Tharsis and the islands shall offer presents: the kings of the Arabians and of Saba shall bring gifts:

[11] And all kings of the earth shall adore him: all nations shall serve him. [12] For he shall deliver the poor from the mighty: and the needy that had no helper. [13] He shall spare the poor and needy: and he shall save the souls of the poor. [14] He shall redeem their souls from usuries and iniquity: and their names shall be honourable in his sight. [15] And he shall live, and to him shall be given of the gold of Arabia, for him they shall always adore: they shall bless him all the day.

[16] And there shall be a firmament on the earth on the tops of mountains, above Libanus shall the fruit thereof be exalted: and they of the city shall flourish like the grass of the earth. [17] Let his name be blessed for evermore: his name continueth before the sun. And in him shall all the tribes of the earth be blessed: all nations shall magnify him. [18] Blessed be the Lord, the God of Israel, who alone doth wonderful things. [19] And blessed be the name of his majesty for ever: and the whole earth shall be filled with his majesty. So be it. So be it. [20] The praises of David, the son of Jesse, are ended.


Honestly, this is one of the best ones they’ve done.

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Let It Blow!

The events right now are frightful
But the prospect’s so delightful
And the Storm is here, y’know
Let it blow! Let it blow! Let it blow!

Oh, it doesn’t show signs of stopping,
And I’ve brought some corn for popping.
So settle back and watch the show
Let it blow! Let it blow! Let it blow!

As the dark slowly turns to Light
And facts and truth are the norm
The wrongs’ll all be made right
And the Libs’ll go someplace warm

But the Libs, they keep on lying
And their breed is quickly dying
So we send ‘em all to GITMO
Let it blow! Let it blow! Let it blow!

Let it blow! Let it blow! Let it blow!


That’s awesome.
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Valerie Curren

Had to pass that one along, thanks!


loving this one!!!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

LOL! Love it!!!


Dang Bak that was awesome love it.
But look what you made me do…I went back gathering up some of the crazy political Christmas songs people have shared with me .
There were other which I am trying to remember…
If I do I will share.
Thanks and keep up the good writing Bak.


Excellent, Carl!
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I love it! Thank you!



Frankie & Dorsey…



Hey DP – how goes the battle?

Deplorable Patriot

I need a nap.


The best part of being old is nobody thinks you’re lazy if you take naps. They just nod their heads understandingly.


zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Huh? What?


If it was an Olympic (remember those?) .. I’d go GOLD … 🥴👍❤️

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Go ahead – I’m up from mine! 😀


WOW thank you Deplorable–Now I can see why I was better off keeping my eyes closed on all the crazy roller coaster rides my grand kids would talk me into

Wish I could say that the saying that “ignorance is bliss”!is true but I can’t .
I think too many of us sat by too long ignorantly watching it all happen! If I knew as a young voter what I know now, just maybe I could have helped to prevent our country from being on this American road that is about to go over the cliff, if we don’t get the brakes working now.

Deplorable Patriot

And that coaster any more is NOTHING. At the time it was built, it was the highest, longest and fastest in the world. Now it’s no where close, but it did kick off the coaster craze that’s still going strong.


I have to say, it impressed me with the distance it spanned. It’s like you got to visit another county.

Deplorable Patriot

Uh, that’s not quite half a mile of Eureka in eastern Missouri.


i still LOVE coasters…ride them with my granddaughter whenever I can! the rest of my family are whimps…LOL


*Raises hand* Wimp Here – makes me sick to my stomach – sorry, Pat – can fly through the air with the greatest of ease – relying on my prowess to land on the ground safely – but, rollercoasters are not my thing or thrill!!!


When I rode on Colossus (Magic Mountain) , I do believe that at the time It was advertised as one of the biggest or the biggest roller coaster in America.
Here you go –heck I couldn’t even just watch just the video. Damn to think I rode on that with a seat belt that was really really loose and a safety bar that would not stay down,


Seems we are into some crazy songs tonight so here goes,,,
An old Irish Man shared this with me many years ago,

Frank Kelly – Christmas Countdown (Animated Video)


Some more fun crazy ones to enjoy

Concerned Virginian

The 12 Days of Quarantine MADE MY DAY.


I saw that and I was like Oh my.
Unlike other twelve days where they show the same thing for each day, he really emphasizes the passing of each day.


Reposting this…

A few words about this incident…



1. By federal law and regulation, the Pilot-In-Command (ie. the Captain) is the FINAL authority ON BOARD any aircraft.

2. The flight attendants, the gate agents, and even the First Officer DO NOT HAVE the FINAL AUTHORITY ON BOARD an aircraft. ONLY the Captain.

Read those 2 again.

Now re-read it once more.

3. Any OTHER airline employee asking or telling you to do something ON BOARD the aircraft is doing so only WITH the authority of the PIC (pronounced “pee-eye-see”…ie. Pilot-In-Command….ie. the Captain).

And all too often, things like this happen WITHOUT THE CAPTAIN EVEN KNOWING ABOUT IT, because it is not a safety of flight issue per se.

4. Many flight attendants (ie. the cabin crew) are hard core democrats, which means they are morons. They can also be on power trips. Usually the two go hand in hand.

5. Conversely and by comparison, most flight crew (ie. the pilots) smart, and therefore are conservatives.

These unfortunate souls met with a moron on a power trip who lacks empathy of any kind. Had this couple known they could do so, they could have APPEALED to the Captain…the FINAL AUTHORITY. They could have politely asked to speak directly with the Captain, who VERY LIKELY would have empathized….in every way…with this couple and would have allowed them to stay on board.

Guess what? There isn’t anything the flight attendant could’ve done about it. Why? Re-read #1 above.


If you find yourself dealing with an unreasonable flight attendant (FA) in some way that will have a major consequence, like this example, ask (politely) to speak with the Captain. Insist upon it if the FA says no, and tell the FA you are well aware of who…by law… the FINAL AUTHORITY ON BOARD.

It is NOT the FA.

And the FA well knows it, too.

Advice like this comes with caveats.

Most often a Captain WILL have the time to come speak with you prior to a departure, But not always. Many things….usually a combination of things….can be taking up all of his time prior to closing the doors and pushing back from the gate. Also, if there is less than 10 minutes to scheduled departure…be aware….10 minutes to pushback is a BIGGIE to the gate agents and the company.

If you make the Captain come talk to you when he is super busy…or there is less than 10 minutes to pushback….he is not going to be as likely to be very empathetic to your issue as he otherwise might be if had the available time to come talk with you. Be sensitive to both his time and the scheduled departure time.

No matter what….
Stay CALM. Do not be verbally or visibly angry or upset. Use conversational tones. Watch your body language. No pointing or wild gestures. 

If and when you do get to speak with the Captain….

Keep it simple. No long story, no justifications why you are right and the FA is wrong. Just the facts and why you are appealing to him directly.

Know going in you are going to be asking the Captain to over-ride the decision(s) of the flight attendant(s). He is not going to want to do that as a matter of practicality. However, every Captain worth his/her salt knows what I just shared about FA’s.
Moreover, you might get lucky in that your situation is just the issue he was hoping for in order to put his foot down on a unruly FA who has been causing problems during their assigned trip. It happens.

If the Captain agrees with the FA, that’s it. You’re done. No more arguing.

Interference with the crew in the performance of their duties is a federal felony. Trust me….you DO NOT want to go there. Arguing with the Captain of a commercial airline ON BOARD his/her aircraft is about the dumbest thing one could possibly do, and it is NOT going to end well for the person who does so.

Use good judgement, stay calm, and always remember that the Captain is the FINAL AUTHORITY ON BOARD.

Last but not least…

Use your BEST judgement. Asking to speak with the Captain because you disagree with a FA is and should be seen as a big deal and a measure of last resort. It is. BUT….as this example shows, there ARE times when it is both reasonable and justifiable.

As a Captain, I would not have made these passengers get off, nor would most of my peers that I know personally.

Moreover, I can tell you with 100% certainty that there is no official United policy to make this couple get off the airplane. Crews across all airlines are given a lot of latitude in such matters, and this FA was absolutely on a power trip. Only God knows why. That said, it is…in my professional experience….unlikely that a Captain would have made this couple get off…PROVIDED he/she HAD THE TIME to personally assess and adjudicate the matter.

Use caution and judgement as a passenger. This information is NOT intended to be weaponized and used to confront any FA that you disagree with on anything. It is only intended to INFORM YOU as to who is the FINAL AUTHORITY….ON BOARD…an aircraft. And, there ARE times when the Captain should be the one to have the final say.

Be smart, wise, and cautious as to how you might use this information. There is a reason it’s not printed on the safety placards.

Last edited 2 years ago by ForGodandCountry

Good advice for those who fly. Personally I haven’t flown since the gropers (TSA) came into being.  😉 

Valerie Curren

Ditto, no Gestapo for me!

Gail Combs

I call it Grope-N-Fly and also have not flown since 9/11. We have the drive from NC to MA down pat.


me too…loved to fly…until the gropers came into being.


Can the captain kick the fa?

Deplorable Patriot

Given the family situation, we fly a fair bit, and this is great information, thank you.

The one most likely to cause a fuss has not been flying, thankfully.

That being said, I’ve had to deal with both picking up and putting a child flying unaccompanied on a flight; requesting the early seating of an elderly passenger on an international flight; flying stand-by; luggage left behind in customs; and the agents who were the worst to deal with were the customs people. Well, and the Air Lingus ticketing people in Chicago weren’t all that nice. But otherwise, Delta, American, Air Iberia, Southwest, and the others were decent to be around and the Delta people…that’s a story and a half, and the agents in Kansas City who reticketed my sister and me were GREAT. Of course, you can’t make up what happened, and it wasn’t our fault.

I’ve also flown Northwest, the late TWA, Alitalia, Air Canada, and Ryanair. Won’t do Allegient again. You talk about flighty flight attendants. Haven’t had any issues, exactly, other than watching this one SWA mother hen be a pain to some kids flying unaccompanied who obviously knew what they were doing.

Last edited 2 years ago by Deplorable Patriot

Thanks for this, FG&C.

I have been terrified of the very prospect of ever getting on a plane again. And I still may not, with the current situation.

But it is very good to know that if a flight attendant is being a power-mad nutcase, there is a final authority that could save me.


So, a little Zoe update…..she’s currently running an antique version of JAWS, which she does not intend to upgrade. Her other computer is loaded with NVDA — — which also is having trouble here. Turns out, nvaccess is a recognized Australian charity and NVDA is FOSS! (GPL2, but excluding Microsoft hooks and other proprietary technologies used.)

The bad news is that NVDA (like JAWS) is Windows only. And, so that Steve can weep bitterly, they use Yet Another Make Alternative — SCONS.

Still in the “thrashing around and learning things” phase (rebooted), but much happier that an improvements/solutions should have more longevity.


I have no idea why that got turned into “Homepage”, but it appears to go to the right place.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

It’s a setting I was attempting to try, to properly display links to comments in WordPress. THAT is a long story, and involves Sylvia and Piper and me.

Piper wanted to grab links to comments here, so she can email them. It used to be that the TIMESTAMPS of comments here were where you could right click to copy the links. Now, it’s a little LEFT-clickable “chain link” icon that becomes visible when you hover over the upper right corner of a comment. Left-click it, and it copies a link the the comment to the clipboard.

Now, there is a new setting here called “Embed web pages” – which means ALL web pages – not just the ones that the embedding software wants to embed because you check the checkbox. That is what just happened to you. It just “embeds” the link. Not a big deal.

The problem is that if you copy a comment URL here, and paste it into a comment, it LOSES the “comment” part of the URL when it embeds. And the problem [read BUG] is that all WordPress URLs embed, whether you want them to or not.

The only way to get around that is to make a LINK on text which is NOT the text of the WordPress URL, which the GREEDY embedding software will recognize and “clean up” to remove the comment.

Yeah. So link comments here like this:


Just click-copy the URL of the comment, go to the reply box, type the text, highlight it, click the “Link” tool, backspace out the text in the linking popup, paste in the URL, and hit Enter. DONE. A clickable link to the comment.


Do I need to learn this, or is it likely to be reversed?

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

If you never post links to comments here, which I don’t think you do, then you don’t need to learn it.


So it no longer does this for links to websites?

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

If you mean basic embedding, YES – it’s doing it right now – and I think I like it – although I may increase the dimensions of the default embedding.

It doesn’t embed ALL website URLs – I’m still observing. Here is GWP, which it apparently embeds fairly well, within the stingy embed dimensions.


OK, I’ll try with splats.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I just turned off arbitrary embedding. WAY too many problems!


TY. It sucked.


If you have kids in school hang on or hopefully its a joke

Who is Charlotte Clymer and why do people believe she’s Joe Biden’s Secretary of Education?

Meet Joe Biden’s Transgender Secretary of Education

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Oh Lord !


Dang did you see my FB post on my fiend’s page that I saw the announce.
I stopped with “Oh Lord!” because I feared what my fingers would type.
Already what we know as solid picks by Biden is crazy, this is insane.


Don’t forget Booty-edge-edge 😂🤣😂


Booty-judge doesn’t scare me much. Over-enthusiastic and no common-sense, but I’ve had to work with plenty who fit that pattern. Sure as hell wouldn’t recommend him for anything higher than mayor or mid-level management.


“Sure as hell wouldn’t recommend him for anything higher than mayor or mid-level management.”


You’re assuming his purpose, like Hussein’s, isn’t to destroy everything he touches.

These people exist to do damage, to wreck functioning systems, to sow chaos.

To subvert, and especially to pervert.

Last edited 2 years ago by scott467

I read he’s bragging that his Administration will reflect “how America looks”…s, he’s basically checking a list obviously given to him to include all the perverts…one male gay, one male who thinks he’s a woman, etc. That “binder” must be a doozy. The Departments would continue to be run by unelected SES employees that were placed there by Obama.
QUALIFIED or experienced in the positions they are supposedly to manage….not important. In reality, they would be out doing photo opps constantly to demonstration just how “woke” the Biden WH is and how the rest of America must conform to insanity.


i can see the White House redone in rainbows


Crazy as H3LL


That’s “Miss Bruce”, to you!!!


Uhh… that’s a dude!



OK you just reminded me of one of my favorite Michelle sort of memes

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Chinese brainwashing is the best!


This dude’s not even trying to look like a woman. 😂

It’s just some guy who put on red lipstick.

Is Pedo Joe going to grope his waist, massage his shoulders, sniff his hair and lick the back of his neck, like he does all the other, uh, ladies?


Damn scott the pictures i have in my head of hair sniffing Biden are bad enough did you have to say that…YUCK


I’m always trying to give the reader something special… just my way of giving back 😁


you are so sweet


That’s what everybody says, and a lot of times if feels like I’m not even trying, I’m just naturally that way 😁


ROFL I can’t even respond to you right now without thinking about Biden sniffing some really weird things. comment image


Looks more transvestite than transgender. 😁


He does but i read up on him. Ex military though i cannt imagine he didnt have issues then. Lots of pics of him online pre “charlotte”. His agenda is blurring the lines for pedophilia, period.


TY Holly I just learned a new word –I had to look up that one LOL
Cut and pasted the defoliation just in case I wasn’t the only one going ????
Definition of transvestite
a person who wears clothes designed for the opposite sex : a cross-dresser An older term for crossdresser is transvestite. Crossdressers often dress only in certain situations. They do not usually identify as transgender—most identify as straight men.


YW kin…File it under the things you wish you didn’t have to think about or see. 😆


Oh I could tell you lots of stories, but i still technically work there.



thank God. Until we know it is safe we don’t need to be screwing up our military.
As it is it seems we could be screwng up our medical people and first responders.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yes – absolutely.


“Until we know it is safe”


When’s that gonna be?

When the people who make it are no longer psychopaths in the medical industrial complex?


All I know it has been barely tested! Don’t like the past lessons we have learned from so called miracle drugs that had no or barely any testing history.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

These are very helpful to make my point about the potential but not total dangers of mRNA vaccines.

NOW – let’s look at the full lesson here.

WHO GOT THALIDOMIDE that caused a problem? Pregnant moms.

WHO GOT DES that caused a problem? Fertile and pregnant moms.

Who had the problems, mostly? THE NEXT GENERATION. (DES caused some problems for the moms later in life.)

Could you give DES to old people if it would save their lives? YES, but there are so many alternatives now, it’s no longer a question.

Can you give thalidomide (THEY DO) to people who are not at risk? And particularly if you don’t give the stereoisomer that causes the problems? They do. Thalidomide has been “reborn” after they understood the problem and fixed it.

This is a GOOD LESSON. Very few drugs, and likely very few vaccines, should be GENERALLY GIVEN TO PEOPLE. But that does not mean they should NEVER be given to people. And people should have a CHOICE, because vaccines, like drugs, are RISKS with potential BENEFITS – depending upon WHO YOU ARE.

The total anti-vax position is not logically sound, just like the “vax-nut” position of giving them to everybody willy-nilly is NOT SOUND.

BUT – in my opinion – KIDS most of all should NOT get these vaccines.


The testing is my issue. THALIDOMIDE children have now cropped up in Brazil. THALIDOMIDE is good for leprosy , but not if you pregnant. Sad part is that often we are not told side effects, and very often not the minor ones,
Back in 2005 I was going through 2 escrows (buy and selling)that both keep going wacko, and a new job that the employers had way oversold.
Finally one day I could barely talk, One word took a minute to say. ER gives me some shot that really put me wacko, and leaves me in a room for 30 or more minutes. No one answering the call. Finally I get up barely walking, really not thinking decently., but knew I was not right. Dr orders me back to my room like some sergeant I l exited with doctor yelling at me & got in my car and went home. (which I probably should not have)!
Was smart enough to call one of the gals i worked with and trusted and she took me to a clinic. I was having one of the known very rare side effects.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Wow! Yes, drugs have side effects! Always a mixed bag. But by being a smart shopper, and ditching trouble, I’ve had more wins than losses!


sorry as I was typing it just poofed on me and you got to it be for I could edit it.

Deplorable Patriot

Given what I’ve learned of late about vaccine injury, I’m about at “don’t vaccinate anyone for anything until this gets straightened out and the aborted baby tissue is not part of the vaccine development process.”

Unless I miss my guess, in my immediate and extended family alone, there are probably six people who are vaccine injured. One is the child of a pediatrician. Another is the child and grandchild of nurses. Another is the child of an HR guru who is known as the medical nazi in her immediate family. Whatever you’ve got, she knows what doctor to send you to.

Now that I think about it, make that seven…nine if you count the people with Lupus.

We’re talking debilitating auto-immune diseases, ADHD, and a couple of brain injuries that are attributed to a lack of vitamin B12 in utero.

The difference in how the various family members turned out, I am quite sure, has to do with nutrition given the people involved.

Just know that not everyone is sold on the efficacy or necessity of vaccines. The more I learn about them, the more I’m comfortable with not having had kids if this is going to happen and be forced on humanity.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

You know, now that I think about it, if it’s OK for rabbis and imams to “bless” food production as kosher and halal, I see no reason why Christians can’t DEMAND that vaccine production be inspected and blessed as “non-aborted-baby-derived” and “non-abortive” / “non-contraceptive” / “non-sterilizing”.

Right? That problem should be removed IMMEDIATELY. And – as with kosher and halal, merely SAYING they are is not good enough. INSPECTION is demanded. Right?

This is all BEFORE there is any demand on safety and efficacy.


“You know, now that I think about it, if it’s OK for rabbis and imams to “bless” food production as kosher and halal, I see no reason why Christians can’t DEMAND that vaccine production be inspected and blessed as “non-aborted-baby-derived” and “non-abortive” / “non-contraceptive” / “non-sterilizing”.”


That is a GREAT insight / idea.

And it shouldn’t be limited to applying to just vaccines, either.

It should apply to ANY product.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

With thalildomide, I thought that even the good steroisomer had been shown to flip to the bad one from time to time.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yes – and yet [apparently, as I cannot access the pay-to-play science] animal experiments see the difference [dose-related?] between enantiomers DESPITE known epimerization (flipping) under in vivo conditions, AND despite known teratogenicity of some metabolites. There is a hypothesized resolution of this “thalidomide paradox”:

I am personally skeptical that this biophysical explanation ALONE explains the effect. I suspect that relative rates of pharmacokinetics and transport, as well as WHERE racemization occurs, all contribute to the greater safety of one isomer as administered – that a complex combination of events prevents the “wrong” isomer from getting to the teratogenic target proteins in the target cells in subject animals FAST ENOUGH to produce an easily observed number of deformations – and thus that – like a flying airplane – anything sabotaging these protective circumstances (e.g., some factor like “grapefruit juice”) could make the protection fail.

All that said, it is still approved for a variety of important uses now. I’m not sure if it’s approved as racemic or “good isomer”, although WHY they would not now automatically go to the good isomer NO MATTER WHAT would make no sense.

Note that the New York Times, in this article, had to do a correction because of the highly successful repurposing for new uses (see END of article).

AND LOGIC. One person’s DRUG SATAN is another person’s DRUG SAVIOR.  🤔 


“The total anti-vax position is not logically sound, just like the “vax-nut” position of giving them to everybody willy-nilly is NOT SOUND.”


When the giant, multinational corporations who make vaccines cannot even be remotely trusted, how can any pro-vax position be logically sound?

If these are bad actors with a malicious agenda — if they have ties or associations with Gates or Fauxi or any other medical gestapo — how can anything they make be trusted or good for anyone?

How is it different from letting someone with a history of putting poison in aspirin bottles deliver your pizza?

Who can that possibly be good for?

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Not every aspirin bottle is poisoned. Not every pizza is poisoned. Not every vaccine is poisoned.

If you are driven to an unreasoning extreme by them, they win, because that was part of their strategy.

All-or-nothing thinking rarely fixes stuff.


“Not every aspirin bottle is poisoned.”


Of course not.

But suppose someone puts poison in bottles of Tylenol — as actually happened, which eventually led to all the lids on every consumable product made being sealed.

He didn’t put poison in ALL bottles of Tylenol, only a tiny fraction.

Once this news broke, was the public going to take a chance on buying Tylenol, even if the odds are extremely likely that the bottle they might purchase is probably fine?

Or is Tylenol going to have to destroy all of their product on store shelves, and invent some new bottle-sealing system in order to restore public trust, BEFORE people will be comfortable taking their product again?

And that scenario is when an outside bad actor sabotaged a product.

How much worse is it, how much harder should it be to reestablish trust, if one of Tylenol’s employees did it?

If that had happened, sealing the lids wouldn’t help at all, because an employee could sabotage the product before the lids were sealed.

Now, how much worse again is it, if instead of an employee of Tylenol, it was the scientists who poisoned the Tylenol, and the management, the board of directors and the CEO all approved it, i.e., they did it on purpose, for profit and/or ideological design, or even just because it was a risk they were willing to take, that 2% or 5% of children would be born with missing limbs, or a few percent of people would die?

Because trillions (or at least billions) are at stake?

Why does Tylenol have to address the legitimate concerns of the public or their business ceases to exist very quickly, but the vaccine makers don’t have to care at all about the consumers of their products?

Drum roll, please….

Because the Vax makers have a get out of jail free card.

Unlike Tylenol, the Vax makers CAN’T BE SUED!

They have ZERO RISK, they can never be held ACCOUNTABLE for maiming and killing people.

Now imagine how thoroughly corrupt an industry must be, in order to arrange that sweetheart deal with the incestuously corrupt political-class?

How good are those vaccines looking now?

It’s not that vaccines are inherently bad.

But look at who is making them, look at their history, and look at the liability protection they have, which no other business or industry I’m aware of has.

The vax-makers aren’t even TRYING to take corrective action, because they don’t care.

And they don’t care, because they don’t HAVE to.

THEY are IMMUNE — they have been ‘vaccinated’ from accountability!

They should bottle and sell THAT.

Or just sell indulgences, which are the same thing.

It’s an old game, there is no new thing under the sun…

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

“When the people who make it are no longer psychopaths in the medical industrial complex?”

Yup. But we HAVE TO DO IT. We simply have to. There is no point in bringing drug production back here, if we can’t clean it up.

Science has to be cleaned up, too. BIG-TIME.

Gail Combs

AND Quality Control!!!

QC has been very badly mucked up. I could write a book…

Deplorable Patriot

First responders would be a problem.

Medical people…talk about having to SHOW the people that they’ve been lied to. Talk to me sometime about the nurses in my family.


This whole thing is such a sham.
We are literally putting our lives and the lives of other in danger–due to what the government wants.
Can’t seem to find it, but there is a quote that says something like “When the government is no longer working for you and is controlling you you are in trouble.”

Deplorable Patriot

Yeah, and I just heard this morning that a family member is anxious and ready to take the thing due to having a bunch of health issues two of which should be disqualifying.



Gail Combs

Given what the AMA has done with HCQ and zinc, I have ZERO problem with the medical people taking the poison THEY HAVE BEEN PUSHING.

The first responders I hope manage to dodge the stuff.


EVERYONE at CDC, FDA, AMA, and the like should be FIRST in line and REQUIRED to get Covid a Vaccine.

Second in line is EVERY federal, state, county or city official, including “education” officials that state vaccines should be required.

Third, perhaps they should be first every fake news asshoe that yammers about requiring Covid vaccine.

Finally, the likes of Bill Gates children MUST have a Covid be vaccine..


Oh so do I–
Think by now most of you know that when they announced the vaccine I was like ??? with the first thing popping into my heard was the Thalidomide babies of the 50s.
Guess that teaches me for being so curious!
FYI-Thalidomide is one of the reasons that they pushed for stronger drug regulations.


Problem is it being pushed on our children.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Very smart thinking. EVERY LOT needs to be randomly tested for the sterility gene-altering adulterants that are being alleged to have been added by the Moderna whistleblower. The WB says that they are being added under the pretense of being “trade secrets”. These adulterants should be fairly easy to detect IF YOU KNOW what you are looking for, but in the future such adulterants will be wickedly difficult to detect, because all they are is DIFFERENT mRNA, plus something that has reverse transcription activity, to enable genetic upload. The “different mRNA” has to be pattern-matched – you have to know what you’re looking for – very hard to find – and the alternative it so look for “off-target mRNA” in general. An interesting future quality control, I would think. The reverse transcription additive is likely protein, but if the people adding it are sneaky, they will add stuff that current or public science is not wise about, under the guise of being something else.

Yes, we need to be paranoid about this, because if I was CCP, killing off the American “military class” over two generations would be very smart.


“Very smart thinking. EVERY LOT needs to be randomly tested for the sterility gene-altering adulterants that are being alleged to have been added by the Moderna whistleblower.”



It’s like randomly testing Fentanyl in search of a non-addictive batch…

Just throw it out.

Dig a pit, and when each truckload arrives, tell the driver “Just dump it over there, with all the rest.” 😁

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Terrible analogy! You’re losing your edge, Scott! Anti-vax PC is killing your usually fine logic!


Seriously, American science can’t keep up with Chinese science with attitudes like that, and this is why the sneaky ChiComs FEED THIS STUFF. Don’t be a dupe.


“Terrible analogy!”


I rather liked it, myself 😁


“You’re losing your edge, Scott!”


With the amount of practice I get everyday?

Not even a little bit 😂


“Anti-vax PC is killing your usually fine logic!”


But I don’t have any anti-vax PC, I don’t even follow the subject closely. Just applying basic logic.

If the makers cannot be trusted — if they have ties and links to Gates and Fauxi or any of the rest of the medial gestapo — then how can anything they make be trusted?

How can any vaccine be trusted that’s only 9 months old? By definition there have been no long-term tests, not even on animals, and this is being rolled out with the objective of injecting every human being on the planet?

With the biggest vax-proponents on the planet all coincidentally being eugenicists and depopulation fetishists?

It’s a simple logic proposition, has nothing to do with being pro-vax or anti-vax, or PC or non-PC.

Restore trust in the judiciary and I will consider trusting the judicial system again. Not before.

Restore trust in the medical industry, and I will consider trusting the medical industry again. Not before.

How can any other approach be logical?


“Seriously, American science can’t keep up with Chinese science with attitudes like that, and this is why the sneaky ChiComs FEED THIS STUFF. Don’t be a dupe.”


The universities are infiltrated and subverted by Chi-coms, by Marxists, by Progressives, by Leftists, by Socialists, by Communists.

American ‘science’ is a bad joke at this point in history. I’m ashamed for them, because they don’t have enough shame to be ashamed of themselves.

It may be the Chi-coms who are largely responsible, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t so.

We have a large majority of the medical industrial complex (and all the rest of the scientismists) going along with the entire China Virus fraud, the mask-wearing fraud, the political manipulation fraud.

The large majority go along with Globull Warming fraud, even though they’ve been caught cheating and manipulating data lots of times.

It has all been politicized and subverted. For every Dr. Zelenko, there are 10,000 automatons who will do anything they’re told for the paycheck.

And they won’t ever get it back, i.e., credibility, until the system that feeds on this corruption is destroyed, and the people who participated are stripped of their licenses and the very least, if not imprisoned.

And what are the chances of that happening?

The same thing needs to happen to every agency of government.

What are the chances of that happening?

Which is the dupe?

Someone who looks the other way, or makes excuses for obvious scientific fraud?

Or someone who says until the criminals and the Progs and the people with anti-human beliefs are removed from the process, there can be no trust?

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My own doctor is a bald-faced liar.

He was wearing an N95 respirator when I went to my appointment.

Since I had the opportunity, I asked him about it immediately. I said virus particles are much, much smaller than the filtration capability of even an N95 mask, much less a cheap paper surgical mask, right?

That stopped him in his tracks.

He said “That’s true…”

So why isn’t wearing a mask to prevent infection from a virus like putting up a chain-link fence to stop mosquitoes?

Then he started tap-dancing. Like a child who draws out his words while he tries to think of a good lie.

Then he says well, what could happen, is… uh, the virus particle could attach itself to a dust particle, and, uh, see, the dust particle is big enough to be filtered by the mask, so… that’s how it works!

Except for one small problem.

There’s never just one virus particle floating around, making out with a dust particle.

If there is one virus particle, there must be millions floating around in the same area, and the chance of all or even most of them attaching themselves to dust particles must be approximately zero.

The idea that paper masks prevent infection from a virus is a fraud.

Take a look at videos of virology labs. Are they walking around in flip-flops and T-shirts with a paper mask for protection?

Or are they in full body protective gear?

And if the virus is deadly with no cure or effective treatment, are they not using a separate oxygen source of some kind?

Why is that?

If cheap 50-cent masks are effective in stopping viruses, why not just wear a paper mask?

Because they’d die?

Because the masks are BS?

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I will admit that the Moderna vaccine IS terrible, and I wouldn’t take it under any circumstances. Pfizer, however, I cannot reject on the same grounds, although some of the reactions to it are now SCARY BAD – nearly anaphylactic!

The problem is, the ChiComs could come up with a bioweapon that is significantly WORSE than COVID-19. Vaccination is the smart answer IF HCQ doesn’t work, although antibody supplements like Trump got are a good treatment.

Total automatic rejection of vaccines is no smarter than automatic rejection of HCQ, rejection of antibody supplements, or rejection of any other approach.

Trump is smart. He’s not picking the dumb extremes that CHINA is driving us to.


then maybe we need to focus on the delivery system of the virus and the creators of the virus FIRST.
if cockroaches bring diseases wouldn’t it be more effective to get rid of the cockroaches?

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I can certainly see that argument.

The fact is, STUDYING these viruses is now clearly WHY we suffered this last outbreak – though of course they try to deny that in a thousand ways.

But yeah, let’s just be blunt. The medical mafia and the ChiComs need to be dealt with.



they will keep finding ways to mess with us…till we stop them.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yes. And I think that starts now.


right beside you…


I’m surprised the media is covering stories like the nurse in Alaska going into anaphylactic shocks within MINUTES after getting the shot. If every adverse reaction is reported the eager line to be volunteers might not be so long.
As I’ve posted before, but I think repeating, my revered doctor told me TWO years is the general rule for adverse reactions to manifest after a new vaccine is introduced (and that is after going through all the protocols, these have not).


Maybe Trump watched the movie “Idiocracy.”

If people who shouldn’t take the vaccine, but are dumb enough to take it out of fear and lack of knowledge, that improves the gene pool.

Fewer really ignorant people could be a plus  😁 

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Eugenicist! 😉

I believe in natural eugenics. Let GOD do the Darwin thing – or protect the drunks and fools as He pleases! 😀


“Total automatic rejection of vaccines is no smarter than automatic rejection of HCQ, rejection of antibody supplements, or rejection of any other approach.”


Ah, I see the miscommunication.

I am not for the total automatic rejection of vaccines.

I’m for the total automatic rejection of the manufacturers of vaccines, because their industry is as corrupt as the political-class, and corrupted by the same people, and for the same reasons.

Cookies are good.

But they’re not good when someone with a history of murdering people makes them.

Those cookies aren’t good for old people, or young people, or any people in between, because you don’t know what he might have put in them, or why. A person would have to be crazy to eat those cookies, knowing who made them.

Not because cookies are bad per se, but because the cookie-maker is a psychopath with a criminal history.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

This is why GSK and Moderna are off my list of trusted vaccines – although there are circumstances where I would take one of their poisoned vaccines. But that’s complicated, and not worth arguing.


On the other hand, an America where only ex-military are fertile would be…..interesting.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Chinese military? That’s the most likely at this point. 😉

Suffice it to say that I’m a bit warier about genocide / democide than most. I’m probably one of the few people actually thinking Jews might get “holocausted” again – while at the same time thinking it every bit as likely that Bolshevik “Jews” could go Nazi on Trump supporters.

Socialism vitiates all who attempt to pick up the clean end of that turd!


I’m with you on those 2 scenarios. Quite possible.


No, military not required to take because is not necessary with HCQ now OK’d…no one really needs the vax, still not worth the risk….but they are in control of distribution around the states? Yes?

what a great cover to get the military out and about without too much suspicion
I dunno, just thinkin’


I was thinkin the same thing, She.


We know it’s coming don’t we Wheatie?
👍 😉 😁
I can feel it in the air!
POTUS always makes Christmas a celebration for us all. 😉😘

Gail Combs

Excellent cover.
Those big military copters out of Ft Bragg have certainly been very busy lately.


i think it solves the problem nicely…
those who WANTED a vaccine–NEEDED a vaccine– now have that available to them and the rest of us can go about our lives with a treatment possibility.




Military + HCQ.

As we’ve posted numerous times early Covid, military REQUIRED Active duty take HCQ when deploying to various parts of the world. Preventive medicine. We know this.

I do wonder if the military is requiring Active duty to take HCQ every week as a preventive. We know HCQ is safe. We no longer read about military units having wide spread Covid cases effecting readiness.

Betting the military requires HCQ use. IMO, it only makes sense.

And if so, why is it not reported.


Who do you think would “Report”……. GOOD news?

Deplorable Patriot

Honestly, this is really rather earth shaking. On the autism boards, there’ve been military wives talking about their kids, and apparently, for a long time, the various branches REQUIRED the kids to be on the full schedule of vaccines in addition to all active military being up to date on just about everything.

Military medical people do not think outside the box unless they’re surgeons – and even then, whatever the AMA solution to an issue is is what they do. My SIL…if she had had a civilian physician not under the thumb of a university system, the advice for her issue would have been quit drinking Coke Zero and ditch the junk food. Instead, she had pretty major surgery for something that had a non-intervention fix if she did what was necessary.

That the Pentagon is not forcing personnel to take this says a lot.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

They CAN’T take the chances. Vaccinating EVERYBODY with radical new vaccines that can in principle not just have dangerous side effects, but can be WEAPONIZED to take ADVANTAGE of those side effects……

NO. For a freaking SUB-FLU it is NOT SMART.

After the Moderna whistleblower – NO WAY. mRNA vaccines are a ChiCom Han supremacist DREAM, if you can couple them with a sterilizing gene.

Reserve it for old people and the highly compromised. They are who ALWAYS needed it – not everybody else.

NOT for essential personnel, young people, healthy adults, people who might have kids – just NO – it’s stupid.

I would forbid it under 60 unless:

(1) volunteer for research
(2) comorbidities and wants it
(3) over 60 and wants it
(4) NOT A CHILD OR TEEN (absolutely forbidden)


In addition, a lot of military families were required to have vaccinations if they listed overseas. I know I had arms and buttocks full of them more than once when I lived overseas, but ONOH I also lived in primitive, unsanitary conditions so it was probably a good thing.


The season would not, could not, be complete without this, ever since 1994.

Almost missed getting it posted in time…


Yep nothing like Sandler to make your Christmas.


The conformity experiment….to investigate the extent to which social pressure from a majority group could affect a person to conform.

Guess how it went?

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Great stuff!


“On average, about one third (32%) of the participants who were placed in this situation went along and conformed with the clearly incorrect majority on the critical trials.”


There’s your democrats for ya.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy


I was pleased to see that there was a SOLID group who refused to go along with the shills. YOU are one of those people right there. This site is filled with such people – and I’m quite proud of that!


This is why “trial by jury” is such a crap shoot. You’d better hope some “refusniks” are on the side of justice!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

YUP. But any jury probably beats “trial by Obama judge”!!! 😀




they had a tough choice between asses or lemmings for their mascot…


While a valid data point, it has extremely limited scope.

If you’re in a room for 15 minutes and paid $20 to opine on something you seriously don’t care about, you’re going to go with social pressure about 80% of the time. You don’t want the hassle; you do want the $20.

The more you care about the outcome, or know about the process, the less willing you are to yield to social pressure.

I’m a CPA. People generally don’t know this, but the only thing a CPA can do that nobody else can is perform an audit. While wearing that hat, one of the canons of the profession is that I will not “subordinate my judgment” to anyone. Mind you, I can be reasoned-with and convinced, but “going along to get along” ain’t gonna happen. And that’s put me toe-to-toe with people in industry and it’s bought me a bit of a reputation…..but I’m ok with that.


That explains a lot about your comments over the years.


As the famous philosopher Popeye frequently declaimed: “I yam what I yam.”




And, on somewhat of a tangent…..

The San Diego Zoo is a tiny gem, tucked inside Balboa Park. Nevertheless, it is a world-class institution and brings in thousands of visitors every day. Back a few years, around 1970, they decided to expand WAY outside the city limits where land was cheap and they could have large open-air exhibits. So they built the SD Zoo Wild Animal Park.

Now, the first park was pretty compact, and scaled so that people could easily walk around the collection and exhibits. But the new park was so spread out that they needed to have some sort of a transport to move people around. Like every other utopian, they elected to have a monorail.

Opening a zoo is not like opening an office building or shopping mall. Animals must get established in them, and comfortable, and keepers and veterinarians (and groundskeepers and gardeners) must establish stable practices and procedures and safeguards. And all these guys were buzzing around long before management started thinking about customer service people and shopkeepers and guest relations. And management was starting to put friendly “finishing touches” on things when only more practical people were around. To show their appreciation for the practical staff’s contributions, there were little survey cards dropped off for the staff to suggest names for the monorail.

By far, the most popular name was “WGASA”. The monorail was christened the “Wgasa Bush Line”, it was printed on souvenir maps, signs were made, trains were painted……

It was only right before opening day that management found out that “WGASA” was local San Diego slang for “Who Gives A S***, Anyway?”


Love that story…also love that zoo and more especially the wildlife park!

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

The funny thing is, every time I’ve been to that park, it’s just open-air buses basically…usually a unit with an engine pulling one without an engine.

I don’t recall ever seeing a monorail there.


“If you’re in a room for 15 minutes and paid $20 to opine on something you seriously don’t care about, you’re going to go with social pressure about 80% of the time.”



The thing you care about isn’t the test, the thing you care about is the truth.

And truth is always worth fighting for.

Social pressure is easy to endure — if you know or believe you’re right. And at that point, it becomes fun to explain or show everyone else why they’re NOT right 😁

By contrast, going along with a lie is PAINFUL, and then your conscience eats at you, and never lets you stop thinking about it.

And then you have to rationalize how you sold out your own conscience for 20 lousy dollars… and then you add humiliation to your shame 😂 🤣 😂

Going against the crowd is EASY compared to all that.

Plus, it’s just fun to put yourself out there and find out if you are right, and whether you can make your case, take on all challengers, and emerge with your belief or what you thought was right intact.

It’s immensely satisfying.

And if it turns out you were wrong, then you learned something new, which makes you that much stronger the next time you encounter a similar test.

And on top of all that, social pressure is a weapon, whether the wielder intends harm or not.

So when you sense ‘social pressure’ being directed at you, the proper response is that of a lion at the sight of a hyena.

Bare your teeth and lunge at it, and tear it apart, just for the joy of doing it 😂 🤣 😂

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“The more you care about the outcome, or know about the process, the less willing you are to yield to social pressure.”



So if what you care about is truth, then you are never willing to yield to social pressure.

Because social pressure is almost always exercised against some truth which contradicts Leftist ideology — at least in the modern PC era.

Social pressure is nearly always employed to force compliance with politically-correct thought and objectives.

Political-correctness is a vicious and insidious thing.

Political Correctness is the opposite of honesty. It is an unwritten social contract wherein the participants agree to observe certain lies, often under the false pretense of sparing others discomfort, so we can feel virtuous about the lie.

But in actuality, it is always to spare oneself from being attacked by the brownshirts and Gestapo of the self-appointed Karens and PC Police.

So what it really is, is cowardice disguised as virtue.

In exchange for juvenile “group acceptance” (or more often, to be spared from being ostracized), the participants to the social contract agree to ignore certain obvious truths on a given subject, in order to avoid being perceived by others as offending anyone belonging to the currently favored class of people or ‘popular’ (Leftist) viewpoint.

The whole thing is a socially constructed lie, and like other kinds of lying, it becomes second-nature to those who practice it long enough. Living inside a constantly expanding web of socially observed lies eventually leads to living an unreality.

I suspect the internalization of political-correctness is a significant part of what has caused roughly half the population to seem to be insane, or living in some sort of alternate reality.

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“While wearing that hat, one of the canons of the profession is that I will not “subordinate my judgment” to anyone. Mind you, I can be reasoned-with and convinced, but “going along to get along” ain’t gonna happen. And that’s put me toe-to-toe with people in industry and it’s bought me a bit of a reputation…..but I’m ok with that.”



Total clarity.

Those are good principles.

Why not wear that hat all the time, and apply those principles to the whole world ?


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“Why did the participants conform so readily? When they were interviewed after the experiment, most of them said that they did not really believe their conforming answers, but had gone along with the group for fear of being ridiculed or thought “peculiar.”


I can’t even imagine… if anyone was going to be ridiculed, it would be me ridiculing the seven idiots giving the nonsense answer 😂 🤣 😂 🤣 😂

But it wouldn’t even go like that.

First, I would get each one of them to confirm, individually, the wrong line they chose. By the second or third one, I don’t think they’d be able to keep a straight face, or willing to keep the ruse up.

Once I made them each re-confirm their nonsense answer, then I’d prove they were wrong.


“Apparently, people conform for two main reasons: because they want to fit in with the group (normative influence)”


Well that explains it. Who wants to fit in with a group of insane people?


“and because they believe the group is better informed than they are (informational influence).”


Better informed about which line is closer in length to another line?

Who are you gonna believe?

The seven goofs, or your own lying eyes?

What’s wrong with these people 😂 🤣 😂

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

YOU can’t imagine – but here we are. Look at those results – BACK THEN!!! Look at Democrats NOW.

Think about how you – as a ChiCom military psychologist – would slowly train an ENTIRE SOCIETY mostly like you, to slowly become like these people who go along.

Now think about Q and the American military psychologists pushing BACK.


Valerie Curren

& PsychO Wars!


“Think about how you – as a ChiCom military psychologist – would slowly train an ENTIRE SOCIETY mostly like you, to slowly become like these people who go along.”


You couldn’t do it without taking control of the schools and universities, the news, entertainment and communications industries, and the political-class in order to make it all happen.

You need to teach nonsense in the schools so children never learn how to reason or think.

You need to divide people, pitting race and race (everyone against white people), young against old, women against men, Left against Right, etc.

You need to use entertainment to destroy values, to make perversion and immorality ‘cool’ as opposed to condemned.

You need to use government to impose all of it with the force of law, which is backed by fines to compel compliance against the better judgment of everyone.

You need the news and communications media to reinforce and control what is ‘acceptable’ thinking on an ever expanding subject list.

Under this sort of unrestricted warfare assault, the children have no chance.

But what is the excuse for the adults?


I was actually in a paid focus group where they were floating the idea that “energy auditors” would go to people’s houses and do stuff like measure heat linkage through walls.

People around the table were generally saying “sounds like a good idea” or “that would be helpful”, or “this would be worthwhile.

My turn came to speak. My house was built in 1955 as a simple rectangle with an attached garage, forming an L.

Roughly in the 1986 timeframe, the house was kicked-out about eight feet longer on the end away from the garage — it was built to 1980’s code, which meant it was insulated. In addition, the old garage was converted into a family room with vaulted ceilings, and insulated. A new garage was built onto the other side of the original rectangle, and the walls sheetrocked (possibly insulated, but not insulated to the roof). In 2004, I rebuilt the kitchen, and it is thoroughly insulated. We insulated the crawlspace under the floor and took out the horrible compressed blown cellulose crap insulation between the ceiling joists and laid in fiberglass batts. The old wall of the living/dining room (on the end of the original rectangle with the old garage) used to be paneling over uninsulated wall, which we replaced with drywall over insulation. If you had a perfect heat leakage tester, it would vary foot-by-foot over all the exterior walls of the house.

And, here’s the thing — I’d been through the construction of my house several times over 20+ years…..but these guys were unfamiliar with construction and had just moved-in within the last decade. They had no idea.

And the focus group I attended came around to the entire concept being pitched being a bad joke from feel-good know-nothings.

Cuppa Covfefe

Good for you!

They do energy audits here, almost exactly what you describe, using heat cameras, energy usage records, and physical inspection of the property, both inside and outside.

Can’t get around it; it’s required by law (EEG regulations, thanks to the greens and Merde-Kuh [but I repeat myself]). Cost us €750, not a welcome expense after having spent €15,000 to replace an old but functional gas furnace because it was more than 30 years old; again, because of the greens. Though it’s more efficient, and the circulation pumps use less electricity [could have replaced both for €300), it will probably take 50 years to pay itself off. The greens will probably require replacement in 20 years, if that. Furnace installer said something about planned lifetime being 15 years or so. He also said the old furnace was OK, but there was nothing he could do about it. Seem the chimney sweeps here (Schornsteinfeger) have the last word, and ours basically said he’s shutting the old furnace down with the German version of a “condemned” sticker…

Nice way to prop up the failing economy to force people to buy stuff. Latest example is DAB (Digital Audio Broadcasting) radios which are expensive, usually clunky, and no one wants them.

Back in the old days, one major difference between AM and FM was that the signal of AM would just get weaker and weaker until it faded away. FM, on the other hand, had a much sharper cutoff, and would disappear suddenly, say, between one city and the next. DAB, maddeningly, has been known to cut off between ROOMS IN THE SAME HOUSE!!!

Somehow I don’t think those would work on a campout, or off in the wild. But, they’re a GREAT revenue stream, ordered by the EU. All new cars must have the DAB capability, though FM is still allowed. AM, except for longwave trawler bands that I’ve only seen on aftermarket radios, is gone (allocated to cellphones, no doubt)…

By doing that, they killed one of my favorite pastimes, DXing AM stations. I used to pick up Hawaii late at night driving up Highway 1 on the coast. Also could pick up some of the Mexican superstations (and KNX in LA) up in Silly Valley…

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Deplorable Patriot

if anyone was going to be ridiculed, it would be me ridiculing the seven idiots giving the nonsense answer 

You’ve never been a seventh grade girl. Trust me, stand up against the group and you will be alone…until they realize you were right all along, and come to you begging for you to sit with them at lunch so the one you objected to wouldn’t, except she did and ended up getting the entire grade assigned tables at lunch.


I was almost always alone.

True story. In my early twenties I was visiting my grandma in the hospital. I ran into a girl from high school who (like almost everybody else) wouldn’t have given me the time of day.

We chatted for a bit, and then she shocked the shit out of me by apologizing! She told me that I was a really interesting person, and she wished she had gotten to know me in school instead of ignoring me. She was very sincere. That was nice, but I am still damaged by my life experiences to this day.

Being different is hard.


“We chatted for a bit, and then she shocked the shit out of me by apologizing! She told me that I was a really interesting person, and she wished she had gotten to know me in school instead of ignoring me. She was very sincere.”


It was kind that she did that, a lot of people wouldn’t have, even if they felt the same as she did. It took some courage and honesty to do what she did. We can’t change the past, we can only ask forgiveness if we were wrong, and even that’s not usually easy.


“That was nice, but I am still damaged by my life experiences to this day.”


Me too. I’m sorry people were unkind to you. Kids can be very cruel.

There is a song by Blue Oyster Cult that was popular when I was a kid, called Veteran of the Psychic Wars: It was practically an anthem to kids my age back then. Not exactly “Happy Days” or Buddy Holly kind of stuff 😁

You see me now a veteran
Of a thousand psychic wars
I’ve been living on the edge so long
Where the winds of limbo roar

And I’m young enough to look at
And far too old to see
All the scars are on the inside
I’m not sure that there’s anything left of me…

Don’t let these shakes go on
It’s time we had a break from it
It’s time we had some leave…

We’ve been living in the flames
We’ve been eating up our brains
Oh please, don’t let these shakes go on


“Being different is hard.”


I think so too.

Sometimes it would be nice to take a break from it.

But it’s still better than being like the group-think people. 😁

And when you’re different, you really appreciate other people who are ‘different’ too, like all the people who come here 👍 🙂


Great song!

I was really nice of the woman to apologize, and I agree, not many would have.

I don’t regret being a weirdo, but some days are harder than others! I am very grateful for the group we have here. Not all are weird, but almost all are accepting and kind.


I’m sorry you are damaged, too.

But hey, what doesn’t kill us makes us stronger, right?


“I’m sorry you are damaged, too.”


Thank you… you are always kind to me. 🙂

It’s okay though, it seems like most people are damaged, it’s just a matter of degree. If one doesn’t have enough damage, that’s fortunate in some ways, but it may be hard to relate to other people.

And if one has too much damage, that can make it hard to relate to other people too.

So I guess the trick is to have the right amount of damage… not too much, and not too little… just right.

Or maybe I’m just channeling a children’s story… about bears and porridge… 😂 🤣 😂


“But hey, what doesn’t kill us makes us stronger, right?”


That’s what ‘they’ say we’re supposed to tell ourselves 😁

But I’ve never been convinced that ‘they’ have much of a clue about anything.

It always struck me as the kind of thing a sadist would tell us.

Sadist: “Come here kid, I’m gonna try to kill ya… but I’m only doing it because in the unlikely event that you survive, it’s going to make you stronger”.

Kid: “Uh… wait… what?!? Maybe we should rethink this…”

Sadist: “Nope, it’s time. Believe me, this is gonna hurt me more than it does you.” (another one of my favorites lines... 😁 )

Kid: “I’ll remember that when you’re old, and I’m taking care of you… there’s a lot of your sayings that I think you’re going to appreciate in a whole new light, when I repeat them back to you one day…”

😂 🤣 😂

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I think we were raised by the same kind of people! Sadists indeed, at least in my case!


“You’ve never been a seventh grade girl.”


That’s only partly true… the whole truth is that I’ve never been a girl in any grade 😂 🤣 😂 🤣 😂



I will be damned if I know what is wrong with those people!

I can’t control my face in those situations. My expression says it all before I even open my mouth. And then God help you when I do.

I will argue for a minute, but then I’m just gonna call you stupid and bail. They couldn’t pay me enough money to stay in the room.

I have legitimately lost ALL patience for the stupid. They should have NO SAY in anything that effects other lives, period.

I may become a hermit.


Aubergine, sometimes I wonder if we were separated at birth 😂 🤣 😂 👍

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I have had the same thought!

Deplorable Patriot

The one thing to realize about peer pressure…the older you get, the less it matters to go with the flow.

Brave and Free

And the older y’all get you lose your filter, about what you say. Not worried anymore about what people may think about you.


Instant ear worm: “I Want a Hippopotamus for Christmas.” 🦛


Dang remember seeing that as a little kid LOL>


I heard it on a radio station that was playing Christmas music. 🎄 At the end of the video, the same lady sings the song at the age of 73.




That is wonderful.

Cuppa Covfefe

Did she ever get her Hippopotamus??? 😆


She did! 🦛

In October 1953 Peevey performed the song on The Ed Sullivan Show in an episode that would air on November 15, 1953. A video of this performance is available on her website.

A popular legend holds that this 1953 hit had been recorded as a fundraiser to bring the city zoo a hippo; but in a 2007 radio interview with Detroit-based WNIC radio station, Peevey clarified that the song was not originally recorded as a fundraiser. Instead, a local promoter picked up on the popularity of the song and Peevey’s local roots, and launched a campaign to present her with an actual hippopotamus on Christmas.

The campaign succeeded, and she was presented with an actual hippopotamus, which she donated to the city zoo. The hippopotamus lived for nearly 50 years.  Peevey, by this point 73 years old, was again present when the Oklahoma City Zoo acquired a rare pygmy hippopotamus in 2017.


GWP crowd is fed up. Going to do it themselves. Sediment is likely echoed everywhere. Harris/Biden bad fit for nation. People not going to put up with it. Where, when and how it starts is anyone’s guess.

Read comments.

So from the comments found this. Apparently Wiki Leaks has made a massive dump.
Not sure if this is old stuff or new. It was presented as new. Beyond my bed time to figure such out.


I don’t think you can go by the dates next to files. Just opened Clinton Emails and its all dated 1970


I saw that too. If you look on the left side you see dates in the 2000s. You have to keep clicking on links to get to the data.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Best answer is address the steal itself. America voted against these two idiots. An asshole named Zuckertreason and his ChiCom handler helped rig the election.

Deputize me to help arrest him. There are 80 million more like me.


I have been curious about that Christmas eve EO, wondering if it portended some action, then saw this ….


Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I’m thinking AND LOGIC.

Remember when it used to be a TWO DAY HOLIDAY for almost everybody? I think that Trump is pushing back on the “de-Christmatizing” of America. That is ONE THING.

The other is something to do with what is going to be “habbening”!!!
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Cuppa Covfefe

Maybe he can add Boxing Day too…

Put all the criminals in a box.

Labeled Gitmo…

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

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Cuppa Covfefe

And here, all along, I thought they were saying “Ah, So” 😀

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

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Okay, I give up trying to squint my way to IDing the female. Who is she?

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Li-Meng Yan, the Hong Kong virus researcher who blew the whistle on the COVID-19 virus as designed and disguised as natural.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Let’s see if this embeds.

Here is an image of the Gab post.
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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Good. I turned off the embedding of arbitrary URLs. It was causing problems!


Was that the ‘hidden links’ thing?

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Not sure – there have been so many questions about links in the last 24 hours, I’m not sure which problem you’re talking about, or have seen!!! Yeah, it’s that bad!


Heh…that’s what you were calling it a few days ago.

The new system was picking up/creating links to things that weren’t intended as links.
Things like the Gab account of a posted Gab comment, etc.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Interesting. OH – THAT!!!

That is when people paste a bunch of text, and there are hidden HTML links in the pasted data!

I turned up allowed links to 49, so they are there, but ignored.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I suspect you’re talking about how links were turning into a variety of things – ranging from block-quoted titles – to “Homepage” – to pictures and headings – to things that almost look like tweets. All of those are “embeds”, and there is a setting in the new software that will TRY to embed ALL URLs, pretty much the way WordPress sometimes does when we’re composing posts in the block editor. THAT setting is problematic – I decided to turn it off.

There is another problem – URLs of comments on WordPress (which we don’t get from the timestamp now, but from the hover-and-click link icon in the upper right corner of comments) are messed up when pasted into comments. They lose the comment part of the URL. I have a workaround, but it’s not dead simple.

Example – this is a COMMENT URL – 628995

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

See – this right here – it LOST the comment – it only points to the open thread.

Here is how to post a link to a comment here:

Comment by Wheatie


I just got this in my bell notifications. Any idea what this is about:

“ has started testing Native Sponsored Posts. This is an extension of our advertising program and will have the same controls and restrictions as our standard ad placements.
You may see these Sponsored Posts running on your sites as we expand testing. They may be promoting content, marketing initiatives, or brands.
Longer term, we hope to offer Sponsored Posts to our users as a way to help drive traffic and promote content discovery. For any questions or issues, see our Native Sponsored Posts FAQ.”

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Like I said, we may be dumping JetPack if part of that deal means they promote crap on the new site.

This is something worth digging into. It would not surprise me if this is wokesterism.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

OMG – it’s worse than I thought! You have to PAY to get rid of posts that they FORCE onto your free site!

Hilarious! GET WOKE – GO BROKE!!!


Jeez. Assholes.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Thanks for finding this! I get so many notifications, that it just flew by me!


No worries. Anything weird like that, I always take note of.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

This is way worse than Twitter promoted Tweets cluttering the timeline with cultural Marxism, various ant poisons from Fake Entertainment, and Bolshevik propaganda. This allows wokesters to contradict blog philosophy as if it’s from a member of the collective. Put these people in a BOAT TO CHINA!!!



Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

THANK YOU! That explains it! The comment part still exists in the JetPack notification, but it gets lost during EMBEDDING in the page! And I cannot turn off the embedding of WordPress URLs, because I already HAVE (i.e., it’s a bug).


What’s interesting…is that in the Notifications sidebar, that URL shows up as the actual text of the URL.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yes, this means that the embedding process loses the stuff after the ? or # in the URL, specifically the comment number. It’s likely still in the URL data that is fed to the page, but it is lost in the embedding,


I think there are more of us than “74 Million”.

And yeah, this crapfest will not stand!

Gail Combs

Making a lot of noise and CLAIMING to be the Majority, while actually a rather small minority, is a CLASSIC (as in Lenin) strategy of the Commies.

Here in the USA the Fake News and Tech monopolies are in on the Gaslighting. For example they never showed the massive Tea Party rallies and the conducted a ‘study’ that showed the Tea Party was ‘Racist’ and then made that headline news. That was accompanied by the ‘Occupy Wall Street’ astro-turf to try and drain off the lukewarm socialist leaning types. The result of course was a President Trump WIN in 2016.


How do you convert 410 Electoral Votes to People? Anybody know?

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

There’s no direct way.

You just know that at a minimum, the majority of the voters in those states voted for POTUS.

It’s at least theoretically possible to win the EC with less than a quarter of the vote, if you just barely win enough small states (which get disproportionately many votes, because the minimum is 3) to get you over 270 and then get no votes anywhere else. You’d be getting just over half the votes in states with just under half the population, multiply and that’s a quarter of the votes.

If you don’t assume (as I just did) that turnout is the same everywhere, it can get even more cockeyed.

Most of the time the EC vote and the popular “vote” point the same way, with the EC vote being more lopsided than the popular vote, though we’ve had two exceptions recently (2000 and 2016), at least going by official numbers. In fact Trump 2016 probably holds the record for the most “contrary” popular vote given his EC vote.

Valerie Curren

I got that image into a tweet here, fyi


Greg Kelly says…”Joe Biden is not ‘president-elect'”

Guests include Jim Jordan, Tim Scott and Jim Carlson with the Amistad Project.


Testing…to see if the embed code will work:

<iframe width=”644″ height=”362″ src=”” frameborder=”0″ allow=”accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture” allowfullscreen></iframe>


Nope, that didn’t work.

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Valerie Curren

Last time I had to use the URL to get the YT video to show, but that might change with Wolf’s tweaks…

Gail Combs

Boy I am glad I do not live near there any more!


Good for them!
From the head of OAN:

Robert Herring

One America News will not recognize Biden as the President-elect as all of our investigations indicate there was fraud in voting. 

There will be no decision until Jan. 6, 2021. 

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I love this dude! People can support him by getting OAN!!!