2021·01·02 KMAG Daily Thread

RTFM

That’s an acronym meaning Read The Flippin’ Manual, except it’s not “Flippin'” there in that word starting with F.

The manual is the Supreme Law of the Land, the United States Constitution.

Article II, Section I describes, in the 2nd-4th paragraphs, the means of choosing a President. The third paragraph was replaced by the 12th amendment, but the other two are still current. The fifth paragraph gives the qualifications (including the famous natural born citizen clause). The sixth paragraph discusses succession, but was modified by the 25th amendment.

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

US Constitution, Article II, Section 1, 2nd Paragraph

The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

US Constitution, Article II, Section 2, 4th Paragraph

The second paragraph seems pretty straightforward; legislators get to determine how the electors get picked. In every case, they’ve chosen to defer to a vote of the people in a state. Each party picks a slate of electors who will vote for their nominee, when you cast your ballot for president, you’re really voting for that slate of electors. The fourth paragraph simply states that Congress gets to pick the date on which the electors are chosen, and the date on which they themselves assemble to vote.

There are grounds for complaint here about the 2020 election, since in many states the Legislature’s rules weren’t followed by the election bureaucrats. I know of less controversy regarding Paragraph 4 being violated, though some have tried to claim that with Congress having set Nov 3rd as the date last year, the selection process had to stop at midnight that night.

Congress’s rules for picking electors and when they vote.

The law that Congress passed in order to pick dates is now codified in Title 3 of the United States Code. In fact Title 3 is entirely about the Presidential Election.

Sections 1 and 2 read:

The electors of President and Vice President shall be appointed, in each State, on the Tuesday next after the first Monday in November, in every fourth year succeeding every election of a President and Vice President.

Whenever any State has held an election for the purpose of choosing electors, and has failed to make a choice on the day prescribed by law, the electors may be appointed on a subsequent day in such a manner as the legislature of such State may direct.

US Code Title 3, sections 1 and 2

Section 2 appears to obviate the complaint about the count not having ended at midnight, provided that the individual state’s law allows for it.

Sections 5 and 6 are more painful, but they basically boil down to requiring the states to certify, to the federal government, the names of the electors. Section six mentions votes cast, but it’s votes cast for the electors, not the votes cast by the electors.

If any State shall have provided, by laws enacted prior to the day fixed for the appointment of the electors, for its final determination of any controversy or contest concerning the appointment of all or any of the electors of such State, by judicial or other methods or procedures, and such determination shall have been made at least six days before the time fixed for the meeting of the electors, such determination made pursuant to such law so existing on said day, and made at least six days prior to said time of meeting of the electors, shall be conclusive, and shall govern in the counting of the electoral votes as provided in the Constitution, and as hereinafter regulated, so far as the ascertainment of the electors appointed by such State is concerned.

Section 5

It shall be the duty of the executive of each State, as soon as practicable after the conclusion of the appointment of the electors in such State by the final ascertainment, under and in pursuance of the laws of such State providing for such ascertainment, to communicate by registered mail under the seal of the State to the Archivist of the United States a certificate of such ascertainment of the electors appointed, setting forth the names of such electors and the canvass or other ascertainment under the laws of such State of the number of votes given or cast for each person for whose appointment any and all votes have been given or cast; and it shall also thereupon be the duty of the executive of each State to deliver to the electors of such State, on or before the day on which they are required by section 7 of this title to meet, six duplicate-originals of the same certificate under the seal of the State; and if there shall have been any final determination in a State in the manner provided for by law of a controversy or contest concerning the appointment of all or any of the electors of such State, it shall be the duty of the executive of such State, as soon as practicable after such determination, to communicate under the seal of the State to the Archivist of the United States a certificate of such determination in form and manner as the same shall have been made; and the certificate or certificates so received by the Archivist of the United States shall be preserved by him for one year and shall be a part of the public records of his office and shall be open to public inspection; and the Archivist of the United States at the first meeting of Congress thereafter shall transmit to the two Houses of Congress copies in full of each and every such certificate so received at the National Archives and Records Administration.

Section 6

The Electors Vote

Finally, The actual vote by the electors takes place, and the results are sent to the President of the Senate, sections 7-10

The electors of President and Vice President of each State shall meet and give their votes on the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December next following their appointment at such place in each State as the legislature of such State shall direct.

Section 7

The electors shall vote for President and Vice President, respectively, in the manner directed by the Constitution.

Section 8

(This would be as specified in Amendment XII, which we’ll get to.)

The electors shall make and sign six certificates of all the votes given by them, each of which certificates shall contain two distinct lists, one of the votes for President and the other of the votes for Vice President, and shall annex to each of the certificates one of the lists of the electors which shall have been furnished to them by direction of the executive of the State.

Section 9

The electors shall seal up the certificates so made by them, and certify upon each that the lists of all the votes of such State given for President, and of all the votes given for Vice President, are contained therein.

Section 10

The electors shall dispose of the certificates so made by them and the lists attached thereto in the following manner:

First. They shall forthwith forward by registered mail one of the same to the President of the Senate at the seat of government.

Second. Two of the same shall be delivered to the secretary of state of the State, one of which shall be held subject to the order of the President of the Senate, the other to be preserved by him for one year and shall be a part of the public records of his office and shall be open to public inspection.

Third. On the day thereafter they shall forward by registered mail two of such certificates and lists to the Archivist of the United States at the seat of government, one of which shall be held subject to the order of the President of the Senate. The other shall be preserved by the Archivist of the United States for one year and shall be a part of the public records of his office and shall be open to public inspection.

Fourth. They shall forthwith cause the other of the certificates and lists to be delivered to the judge of the district in which the electors shall have assembled.

Section 11

[In case someone doesn’t realize this: The “President of the Senate” is the Vice President, at the current time that’s Mike Pence. Or is it? If it’s not him…is there any provision for who is “acting” VP until Trump can nominate, and congress approve, a successor?

UPDATE: Sylvia (she of the shovel) made a point that makes me think this is the wrong question. It’s not “acting VP” we are after, but rather “acting President of the Senate.” (That’s a description, not a formal title.) I strongly suspect that the President Pro Tem steps up when there is no President of the Senate available. As of right now, that President Pro Tem is Chuck Grassley.]

Sections 12 and 13 talk about what happens if the state’s slate of electors isn’t received by the President of the Senate by the 4th Wednesday in December; in essence he goes to the secretary of state for that state and asks him for HIS copy of the certificate; if that fails he then goes to the judge in that jurisdiction.

Section 14 basically says if the messenger doesn’t deliver, he forfeits $1000.

What I don’t see here is any sort of thing Pence had to do by some date in December to reject the certificates he had. There was an awful lot of noise about that for about two days, and whatever it was that Pence was (not) supposed to do, he didn’t do it so a lot of people got upset with him. For what, precisely?

Are some people supposedly on our side making up their own laws here to fit a narrative?

Twelfth Amendment: The Rest of the process.

The original process from Article II, Section I called for each elector to cast two distinct votes for President, neither vote carrying more weight than the other. Whoever came in first would be the next President, whoever came in second became the Vice President. However, one thing our Framers didn’t anticipate (or maybe they did but they certainly didn’t want) were political parties, and this process could, and did, lead to bitter rivals being elected President and Vice President in 1796. So the Twelfth Amendment was passed by Congress, sent to the states, and was ratified by September of 1804.

The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;–the President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;–The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. [And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.–]The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

Amendment XII to the United States Constitution. The bit in the brackets was superseded, in turn, by the XXth Amendment.

Essentially they now had the electors vote for President and Vice President separately, and they modified the rules slightly for what to do if no one got a majority.

Speaking of which: “The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed” would mean that the winner must get 270 votes or more to win at this point in the process. As far as I can discern, no one is disputing that 538 electors have been appointed. Maybe that dispute will be taken up on the 6th of January. And this is probably what American Thinker is imagining Pence could do on Wednesday. If he refuses to acknowledge their appointment somehow, then that reduces the aggregate number of electoral votes.

It doesn’t look, at the moment, like someone’s going to fail to get a majority, but here’s what happens if no presidential candidate gets 270 or more: and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice.

In other words, the House drops what it is doing, and picks a president from the top three electoral vote winners. However, each state’s delegation casts one vote, so Wyoming has exactly as much to say as does California. At least two thirds of the states (34 or more) must have at least some of their Reps present for this to proceed (the quorum) and the winner must get the votes of at least 26 states. (Not a majority of those present, a majority of all states.)

This doesn’t seem like it would be much of a problem for Trump, provided we can get to that part of the process, because most state delegations are majority Republican. Except of course that I wouldn’t necessarily trust a bunch of RINOs to vote for him. On the other hand their other two options are Biden, and whoever comes in third in electoral votes.

I have heard nothing whatsoever about a third candidate getting any electoral votes from faithless electors. Seven or eight people switched their votes last time. (Countering this point is the claim that the electors vote by secret ballot; I don’t believe this is actually the case as 1) it’s not specified anywhere that they do this and 2) it would be impossible for those states who require the electors vote for their party’s candidate to apply that law. And I do know that some electors last time were replaced on the spot when they refused to vote for Trump or Hitlary.)

(Last time around, Colin Powell got three electoral votes and was therefore in third place. I believe someone was trying to set up an attempt to put him in the White House as a compromise choice if the election were kicked to the House–which it wasn’t.)

Who is third this time around? Is anyone third this time around? Does anyone know? The one source I have (Wikipedia) states there weren’t any. (Take that for what it’s worth.)

But in order to even get to a point where this matters, Joe Biden has to lose a bunch of electoral votes between now and Wednesday. How might this be accomplished?

Run On Legalese

Back to Title 3. Now we’re up to Section 15. And someone ought to be beaten by a rubber hose for this massive run-on pile of verbalistic schiff.

Congress shall be in session on the sixth day of January succeeding every meeting of the electors. The Senate and House of Representatives shall meet in the Hall of the House of Representatives at the hour of 1 o’clock in the afternoon on that day, and the President of the Senate shall be their presiding officer. Two tellers shall be previously appointed on the part of the Senate and two on the part of the House of Representatives, to whom shall be handed, as they are opened by the President of the Senate, all the certificates and papers purporting to be certificates of the electoral votes, which certificates and papers shall be opened, presented, and acted upon in the alphabetical order of the States, beginning with the letter A; and said tellers, having then read the same in the presence and hearing of the two Houses, shall make a list of the votes as they shall appear from the said certificates; and the votes having been ascertained and counted according to the rules in this subchapter provided, the result of the same shall be delivered to the President of the Senate, who shall thereupon announce the state of the vote, which announcement shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of the persons, if any, elected President and Vice President of the United States, and, together with a list of the votes, be entered on the Journals of the two Houses. Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any. Every objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives before the same shall be received. When all objections so made to any vote or paper from a State shall have been received and read, the Senate shall thereupon withdraw, and such objections shall be submitted to the Senate for its decision; and the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, in like manner, submit such objections to the House of Representatives for its decision; and no electoral vote or votes from any State which shall have been regularly given by electors whose appointment has been lawfully certified to according to section 6 of this title from which but one return has been received shall be rejected, but the two Houses concurrently may reject the vote or votes when they agree that such vote or votes have not been so regularly given by electors whose appointment has been so certified. If more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State shall have been received by the President of the Senate, those votes, and those only, shall be counted which shall have been regularly given by the electors who are shown by the determination mentioned in section 5 of this title to have been appointed, if the determination in said section provided for shall have been made, or by such successors or substitutes, in case of a vacancy in the board of electors so ascertained, as have been appointed to fill such vacancy in the mode provided by the laws of the State; but in case there shall arise the question which of two or more of such State authorities determining what electors have been appointed, as mentioned in section 5 of this title, is the lawful tribunal of such State, the votes regularly given of those electors, and those only, of such State shall be counted whose title as electors the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide is supported by the decision of such State so authorized by its law; and in such case of more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State, if there shall have been no such determination of the question in the State aforesaid, then those votes, and those only, shall be counted which the two Houses shall concurrently decide were cast by lawful electors appointed in accordance with the laws of the State, unless the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide such votes not to be the lawful votes of the legally appointed electors of such State. But if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointment shall have been certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted. When the two Houses have voted, they shall immediately again meet, and the presiding officer shall then announce the decision of the questions submitted. No votes or papers from any other State shall be acted upon until the objections previously made to the votes or papers from any State shall have been finally disposed of.

Title 3, Section 15.

At 1 PM on January Sixth, Four appointed “tellers,” two senators and two reps, in the presence of both the House and Senate, presided over by the President of the Senate, open the states’ votes in alphabetical order, and read them off. Last time around, they simply rotated; I remember one of the Senators was Klobuchar. This is normally a ritual; they were even reading from a prepared script.

The President of the Senate then accepts the vote of the state…at which point, it’s final for that state. There is no recourse.

But before that happens, objections can be made from the floor. “Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any. Every objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives before the same shall be received. When all objections so made to any vote or paper from a State shall have been received and read, the Senate shall thereupon withdraw, and such objections shall be submitted to the Senate for its decision; and the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, in like manner, submit such objections to the House of Representatives for its decision;

Note that all objections to a states vote must be made before the session breaks up. Once they’re done deciding, you can’t object again. You can make 25 objections before and they’re all to be considered simultaneously, but none after. So as I read this, we can’t tie this up simply by filibustering with objections to the same state, over and over. The run-on-sentence champion who wrote this law tried to ensure the process would come to an end someday.

[We will have, however, a very early indicator of how it’s going to go. You see, Arizona is one of the states rotten with fraud, and it’s quite early in the alphabet! I should expect there to be objections, we already have a senator and several house members who say they will do so. When that happens, we will see what comes of it.]

Basically the house and senate can only reject on the grounds that the slate of electors wasn’t valid or didn’t follow the process correctly. THIS IS WHERE ANY ALLEGATION OF ELECTORAL FRAUD WOULD COME INTO PLAY. (Or, if there are two competing slates, they get to pick the right one. Of course a bunch of competing Trump electors sent certificates to Washington, but those may have been rejected as invalid already–apparently the governor didn’t sign them; I’d certainly be surprised if the tellers open them up and read them; if they don’t, then the alternate certificates don’t matter since they haven’t been opened in the joint session. I don’t think anyone knows what happened to all of those alternate slates.)

The problem is, both the House and Senate must uphold the objection(s). If only one agrees, the objection(s) fail. And nothing is specified here about voting by states in the House. That only comes into play when the House selects the president-elect.

Do you expect the House, which will be a narrow Democrat minority on January 6, to uphold any objection to a Biden elector? Do you even trust the RINOs in the Senate to toe the line? The only way I can imagine it happening is if there is a lot of D/RINO absenteeism in both chambers.

I admit that I don’t see the President’s strategy here–what I can think of seems doomed to fail–but it seems pretty obvious that he thinks he has one, else why the Rally? I very earnestly hope he sees something I do not.

So let’s assume someone gets a majority of the electoral vote, or the House gets it and makes a decision in a timely manner. In that case, the person chosen becomes the President-Elect.

There is, at that point no appeal, and no remedy for the loser. As Joe Biden told an objector back in 2017 when no senator would join her objection, “it is over.”

January 6th is Wednesday. By next Friday, when I do my next daily, we will know who the President Elect is, or America will be glued to their TV screens watching Congress deal with an historic mess as we go into Day Three of Congress adjudicating the election.

I’ll close by quoting my own paragraph from five weeks ago.

I have said it before, and I will say it again, this is for all the Chips. After this, GAME OVER. If we lose this, to such blatant fraud, 2024 won’t matter. Trump won’t matter. Politically speaking, nothing on Earth will matter. There will be no recourse within the system.

A Reminder Of Today’s Big Issue.

Our movement is about replacing a failed and corrupt political establishment with a new government controlled by you, the American People...Our campaign represents a true existential threat, like they’ve never seen before.

Then-Candidate Donald J. Trump

Needs to happen, soon.

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This is the WQTH Daily Thread. You know the drill. There’s no Political correctness, but civility is a requirement. There are Important Guidelines,  here, with an addendum on 20191110.

We have a new board – called The U Tree – where people can take each other to the woodshed without fear of censorship or moderation.

And remember Wheatie’s Rules:

1. No food fights
2. No running with scissors.
3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
4. The first rule of gun safety: Don’t let the government take your guns.
5. The gun is always loaded.
5a. If you actually want the gun to be loaded, like because you’re checking out a bump in the night, then it’s empty.
6. Never point the gun at anything you’re not willing to destroy.
7. Keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire.
8. Be sure of your target and what is behind it.
9. Social Justice Warriors, ANTIFA pukes, BLM hypocrites, and other assorted varieties of Marxists can go copulate with themselves, or if insufficiently limber, may substitute a rusty wire brush suitable for cleaning the bore of a twelve or ten gauge.

(Hmm a few extras seem to have crept in.)

Coin of The Day

Unless I think of something…

Obligatory PSAs/Reminders

Just one more thing, my standard Public Service Announcements. We don’t want to forget any of these!!!

How not to get your ass kicked by the police. Chris Rock in 2007

Granted an “ass kicking” isn’t the same as being shot, but both can result from the same stupid act. You may ultimately beat the rap, but you aren’t going to avoid the ride.

Remember Hong Kong!!! And remember the tens of millions who died under the “Great Helmsman” Chairman Mao.

I hope this guy isn’t rotting in the Laogai somewhere!

中国是个混蛋 !!!
Zhōngguò shì gè hùndàn !!!
China is asshoe !!!

For my money the Great Helmsman is Hikaru Sulu (even if the actor is a dingbat).

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Valerie Curren

Genocide charges to gum up the gravy & graft train?

churchmouse

Thanks for this, Valerie!

Valerie Curren

YW CM

Hoofhearted

It is my hope that this creep is held to some form of justice.And those standing with him include. Tony Fauci, Bill & M.Gates, Dr.Theresa Tam.

Valerie Curren

Amen HH!!!

Valerie Curren
churchmouse

Thank you.

Have bookmarked.

Valerie Curren

Bain of Romney’s existence? Timely reminder 🙂

https://twitter.com/KelemenCari/status/1345548699334688768

churchmouse

Hmm.

And there’s a bit more — from 2012:

https://twitter.com/BenKTallmadge/status/1102537075054718977

Text reads:

‘2012

‘Romney’s Bain Capital Tied To Surveillance Push In China:

‘The Bain-owned company Uniview Technologies, produces what it calls “ infrared antiriot” cameras & software that enable police officials in different jurisdictions to share images thru Internet’

Valerie Curren

That’s seriously alarming!

churchmouse

Yes, it is.

Cuppa Covfefe

Huawei would he do a thing like that? 😀

Valerie Curren

LOL

Valerie Curren

Canadians under siege & resisting tyranny. My son has yet to in-person meet his girlfriend because the border has been closed since before they began “dating” online…

Wolf Moon

Communism. Kill it until it’s DEAD.

Valerie Curren

Yes!!!

Wolf Moon

DEAL!!!

Valerie Curren

LOL One of my son’s nicknames is “The Hammer” as a kid he did knuckle pushups–on cement!

RF121

Tough time to be dating.

Valerie Curren

Yes & I keep trying to get him to get her & her family across the border so they can be relatively safer here. He’s been researching possibilities.

RF121

Have them change their last name to Perez.

Valerie Curren

Ironically they are originally from South America & the dad used to work in the US & loves it here.

singingsoul1

So the SS has arrived in Canada? That is how it is don neighbors rat out neighbor friends rat out friend family rats out family. What a wonderful system.
We cannot allow it in America tyranny is poison to the soul.

Valerie Curren

Absolutely SS (no pun intended) we were made Free by God but keeping our freedom from tyrants bent on global dominance & destruction is getting more & more challenging…& dangerous!

Valerie Curren

This thread is a cautionary personal tale of woe for airline issues & minors travelling alone…

gil00

Why would she wait 6 hours for a phone call? I call bs. Either the mother is an idiot or this is a fake story. I would have xalked the police, way before then.

kinthenorthwest

Not sure about total bs but many parts don’t add up What 14 year does not have a cell.

Valerie Curren

passive vs active personality? Tracy Beanz claims it’s her personal friend’s story but who really knows!

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churchmouse

Thanks very much, Duchess.

There were two more segments, one with Lara Trump and the other with Doug Collins:

duchess01

Thanks for posting these, Church – did not want to ‘hog the blog’ – and even those the Good Judge does not get ALL of the particulars – her guests are able to fill in the blanks – I am concerned about her, Church – she must be under so much pressure to keep her job – it appears she skips over some rather obvious points – but, hey – that is JMHO.

churchmouse

She’s got the producer talking into her earpiece …

I wouldn’t worry about ‘hogging the blog’. The more news the better.

Valerie Curren

FYI, I haven’t watched but may have some good info for Jan 6

Valerie Curren

This looks suspicious…Bush Whacked?
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https://twitter.com/iNewsTV/status/1333193430529282050

there’s a thread from Nov too…

churchmouse

I read that some time ago. If I remember rightly, I saw it OT.

Shortly after 9/11, one of France’s top newspapers, Le Monde, carried a report saying that members of the bin Laden family had been flown back to the Middle East at Bush II’s request. Everything had been arranged, and they were ready to go.

churchmouse

I also meant to add that I personally read Le Monde‘s report in 2011 and didn’t get that part third hand, as it were.

Valerie Curren

Absolutely insane!

Valerie Curren

Q Tree candidates 😉

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EAGLE1
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Mine was just the opposite… when I got to the Judge, he asked me why I was going 5 in a 55 mph zone… I told him I had a drunk in my hand, and I didn’t want to spill it!
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Late one night I got a speeding ticket. When the judge asked me why I was going 120 in a 55 mph zone, calmly I explained the old girl wouldn’t go 121. He replied, “baliff!”

https://twitter.com/EAGLE1DALLAS/status/1345550770326929411.

michaelh

My grandfather drove tour buses for years. Shortly after the “55” MPH went into effect one of the drivers got in hot water for getting caught driving 78 MPH!

The dispatcher demanded “Is there any reason you were doing SEVENTY EIGHT MILES PER HOUR?”

“Well it wouldn’t go any faster!”

Dispatcher threw up his hands and gave up. Nothing ever happened to the driver 😉

Valerie Curren

My dad told the story of one of his buddies, I believe, who along w/ a couple friends decided to prove a point after 55 went into effect in Michigan. These 3 guys got on I-75 & lined their vehicles up in parallel then set their speed controls to 55 & drove like 100 miles in that formation. Apparently traffic was massively tied up for hours. My dad’s telling of the tale is epic & hilarious 🙂

Valerie Curren

What could Possibly go wrong w/ funding FEMA camps???/s

https://twitter.com/RedPill_Crusade/status/1345490371812466689

Valerie Curren

Helping the pack break through barriers 🙂

https://twitter.com/HermanM36169986/status/1345521659361431552

Valerie Curren

This keeps making the rounds & it’s very good!

https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1345267377601187840

Wolf Moon

For putting this world through THE HOAX, Hillary Clinton, John Podesta, and all the principals at Perkins Coie need to be in prison for a long, long time.

And that’s not counting all the people who carried out the crime for them.

Valerie Curren

would prefer tried & executed, if found guilty, after a brief opportunity to meet w/ a spiritual advisor so they can “make their peace with God” before they meet Him face-to-face!

Wolf Moon

“I Don’t See How Any Good Christian Can Certify a Fraudulent Election” – Sidney Powell on Next Steps in 2020 Election

By Joe Hoft

Published January 2, 2021 at 7:15am

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Attorney Sidney Powell was on Flashpoint Friday evening and she shared the next steps for the country in the prevention of the election steal going on right now.

According to Flashpoint:

Sidney Powell broke down exactly where they are at right now (December 31, 2020) and as much as she could without jeopardizing their strategy she told us what to expect next.

Spoiler alert: it’s about to get REAL good.

https://youtu.be/6YTlhqd7PM0

Powell encouraged all churches to open on Sunday and to pray for our country.

We’ll see what happens with Pence and what actions will be taken on Wednesday soon.

Wolf Moon

Amen! 😉

churchmouse

Excellent post, Steve.

If I could, I would have given it more than five stars.

churchmouse

You’re welcome.

Cuppa Covfefe

Point being, Sidney is calling out Pence to “walk the walk”, not just “talk the talk”.

It’s not just avoiding unaccompanied lunches, etc., with a woman who’s not your wife… (or a female relative, etc.).

RF121

Change of pace.

Wolf Moon

Humans do this, too!

Cuppa Covfefe

So THAT explains all those dog biscuits I got for betting on “EZ Money” in the third… 😀

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gil00

So this Ali guy with stop the steal had a sexual relationship with Carl Rove?
Hes been arrested more than once.
He is shopping sex tapes with Rove?

Anyone else seeing this?

Wolf Moon

WTH!!!???

RF121

And people give me shit for being pessimistic and skeptical. Which is why if your source is the internet, be careful.

singingsoul1

Concerning the Ali fellow, who does benefit to besmirch him at this time?
I know i cannot trust everything posted on the Internet.
Why now why not a week ago or a month ago?

RF121

Don’t know the guy other then his very positive MAGA stuff. Anything else just seems to be to smear him.

phoenixrising

Twitter banned him just as Stop the Steal got started…

So now, he can’t even defend himself…

CJ tweeted this

https://twitter.com/thecjpearson/status/1344428502393696256?s=20

gil00

Nothing wrong w stop the steal itself of course. When total strangers pop up and cant or wont be vetted, maybe bc of time or fog of war, bad things can happen.

Wolf Moon

Controlling the opposition is a great way to gain intelligence.

mollypitcher5

His motive may have been entirely for personal gain but it doesn’t tarnish the Stop The Steal event

Wolf Moon

Being for McCain in 2008 isn’t the worst crime in the world. We knew so little then.

churchmouse

Maybe it’s Dems doing the smearing.

Why wouldn’t they? It could only help damage PDJT’s base. Just look at the reactions here.

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Wolf Moon

I think our best path is to judge him on what he is doing now – which is VERY MAGA and has all seemed on the up and up.

gil00

Just gotta be as careful as possible, no matter who it is.

Wolf Moon

YUP. No, I appreciate the intelligence.

I had LOTS of “frenemies” in Shallow State. I mean, it was a freaking MESS. The only way to play that game is to know the downsides of the players – who they will stay loyal to when the chips are down. Who’s pretending – who’s not – and you never really know for sure.

What are the effects? Cui bono? Who wins the round? Beyond all the acting and phoniness, THAT tells you a LOT.

This guy brought in the troops fast and made it happen. Even if CIA is monitoring his every move, he got it started. And you never know which side of CIA is keeping the other side closer on this one!

gil00

I hate the concept of frenemies but it is too true. Double dealing et al. Dunno, maybe he wants out maybe he wants in…it could just be about money either way you slice it.
Tell ya what tho…i put up with hunter biden videos but ill be damned if im going to watch roves junk.

cthulhu

Didn’t George W call him “turd blossom”? Maybe he plays the other side.

gil00

Lol. Heck if i know…

Wolf Moon

I can believe the Rove stuff, but – OMG.

But yeah, that would sure keep him in line, wouldn’t it?

I stopped at the first five seconds of the second Hunter video, when it was still at the “Macy’s ad teen model” stage. Nowhere good that could go.

And that could be his angle. Get dirt or create dirt. Kinda links the McCain and Rove things. Very “Halper”.

Stay careful. That’s the best policy – particularly in “interesting times”.

gil00

A hustler doesnt really reform they rebrand. I hope he’s at least aware that this isnt 2008.

Wolf Moon

“A hustler doesnt really reform they rebrand.”

Not without finding God – and then believing that God is STILL giving you the omniscient side-eye 24/7! 😉

churchmouse

Absolutely. I watched one of their press conferences. He did a great job. I’ve got no problem with the man.

para59r

Same. Means nothing regardless of source. Guys solid when it comes to Conservatism.

gil00

Good question.

gil00

Jessica Bourque

@Jessibourque

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4h

Replying to

@TweetWordz

What’s the point of this? To keep people from attending the rally? Let’s not forget he isn’t the only one behind this rally and all who can go should if you support Trump!

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TruthWarrior

@baker15293

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3h

One point is to spread the truth about this fraudster so that no one donates anything to him. He spends the donations on high-class hotel rooms and expensive meals with his friends.

gil00

Always be careful which is why im wondering where the info is coming from.

gil00

Here i dont know…im not posting the graphic she posted, and theres no links either

Hey

@KarlRove

@ali

is recycling your sex tapes when you guys were a thing. It’s graphic. #Shameless

#Scammydavis

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/supposed-stop-the-steal-organizer-ali-akbar-is-a-convicted-fraudster-accused-of-plotting-voter-fraud-as-mccain-operative-in-2008/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Wolf Moon

Bad vibes here:
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I think it was LENIN who advocated leading the opposition.

mollypitcher5

Don’t know about the Rove thing but the article seems fairly straight up facts. People who are hustlers can latch onto anything to gain fame or make a buck

Gingersmom2009

So the accusation is he’s using stop the steal as a way to personally fundraise. How/where is he supposedly selling sex tapes? It’s all pretty skeevie.

Gingersmom2009

Evidently he did some jail time for either burglary or shoplifting in 2006/07. And he goes from that to plotting voter fraud for McCain?

gil00

Guess he was in particular circles and was looking for money.

mollypitcher5

LOL..when there’s a printed book about your exploits I’m gonna believe that where there’s smoke there’s a raging fire.

I know nothing about this guy.Is part of his current persona contrite about his past or is it just now tumbling out?

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gil00

There are so many people. Half of fox sleeps with each other, have affairs etc…we dont know until people speak up.

mollypitcher5

Aint that the truth. Lately I feel like we’re drowning in people, info, disinfo, sensational crap and completely crazy interpretations about what can happen. Reee

Linda

Yikes! Where did you see this? Personally, I can’t imagine anyone having a sexual relationship with Carl Rove, but that’s just me.

pgroup2

[snort]

Gingersmom2009

That’s the same article I read. So I assume that Alexander is complete BS, article states that Ali Abdul Razak Akbar is his real name. Great.

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gil00

Dont give him money but support the cause…

Cuppa Covfefe

Ali Akbar?????

Might as well be Aloha Snackbar.

Don’t believe a word of it. And IIRC, Grenell sleeps with a man…

Gingersmom2009

What does Ric Grenell being gay have to do with this? If this guy, Ali Abdul Razak Akbar, is fundraising and skimming money under the Stop The Steal umbrella, he needs to go. He was convicted of credit card theft in 2007, and served time – so it’s completely possible he’s stealing again.

Again, I don’t care what gay rumors/affairs are out there about him. Stealing funds from an important effort that’s associated with POTUS is the problem. Again, why diss Grenell?

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Gingersmom2009

As I said, whatever he did or did not have going on with Karl Rove isn’t the issue. (Although it just reinforces how untouchable they think they are.) It’s the fundraising and skimming off the top – and the association with POTUS. You can’t be shrieking about “the steal” while stealing. We don’t need people with that kind of baggage. If he’s dirty he needs to be untied and allowed to float away.

It was just the odd, “sleeps with a man”, that I was taken aback by.

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Sadie Slays

I never trusted this man, or any other social media personality that hasn’t been deplatformed by now.

Wolf Moon

Good call.

phoenixrising

I absolutely do NOT believe this!

Ali is good friends with CJ Pearson

Gingersmom2009

I just read an article that said he’s been friends with O’Keefe for at least 7 years. I trust O’Keefe’s BS radar.

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phoenixrising

Ali with Stop the Steal is ALI ALEXANDER

I don’t know, never heard of dude named Ali Akbur!

Gil, get the names straight please. Akbur is NOT associated with Stop the Steal

Gingersmom2009

His full name is Ali Akbar Alexander.

Gingersmom2009

Just search Ali Akbar Alexander. It’s the same guy.

gil00

The first image is nasty, but the attached are his mug shots, and his real name is not Alexander.

🇺🇸⭐ Jennifer ⭐🇺🇸 (@hummingbirdJKL) Tweeted:
@TweetWordz https://t.co/QBDeZALIFm https://twitter.com/hummingbirdJKL/status/1345526426750103553?s=20

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Wolf Moon

Yeah, O’Keefe is a good reference!

mollypitcher5

Maybe he’s a double agent type..sometimes you have to use a bad guy to catch the bad guys ? Maybe?

Wolf Moon

I’m just going to ignore the old stuff and concentrate on his “new leaf”, which shows no blemish or rot. He’s been stand-up MAGA so far.

I mean, for any sins of excess and illicit zeal, he was supporting lesser traitor McCain, while I voted for greater traitor Obama in 2008. Not throwing anything from my champagne-glass house there! 😉

Deplorable Patriot

I saw it. Not sure if it’s just a story, but Rove being a switch hitter is not outside of the realm of possibilities.

kinthenorthwest

Some Very Interesting stats–Does not look like the states with the most mandates did that well..Seems that most states with the least of mandates, overall did better overall.

Coronavirus cases around the U.S. are surging—and so are hospitalizations https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-19-hospitalizations-us/ via @bbgvisualdata

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mollypitcher5

Impossible to believe in the stats anymore.

One of several of these stories in replies

Tried it with my dad in August. Was in hospital. Gave him a test everyday for the last 4 days of his life. Was negative everytime. Still tried to put it on death certificate, because he showed symptoms. He had lung cancer, copd and sepsis.. Arseholes

kinthenorthwest

Happening all over our country.
This is our usual flu season not COVID.
I

mollypitcher5
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kinthenorthwest

Got to keep us locked up so they can complete their takeover.
The more dependent that Americans become on the government the easier it will be for them to get Americans to bend to their demands. Sad watching so many who are following along, not realizing what they are giving up For the small crumbs they are giving us.

Cuppa Covfefe

Yep. Looks like they want the rest of us on the plantation, too…..

churchmouse

They both need investigating and brought to justice.

churchmouse

Yes, and flu has miraculously vanished.  🙄 

kinthenorthwest

It is now PIC–Pneumonia, Influenza and COVID, Yet if you die of any of them it is always labeled as COVID!

churchmouse

Yes, we have the same tabulation and death labelling in the UK.

Cuppa Covfefe

Stories over here abound about how surprisingly low the number of flu cases are and HOW WONDERFUL THE FLU VACCINE IS DOING KEEPING THEM DOWN!!!!!

Never let a fake crisis go to waste.

And I know all about “uplifts” for illnesses that actually don’t present, except at “the bank” as it were. My son was erroneously diagnosed with an incredibly rare condition which meant all of the treatments, appointments, etc., got a 30% uplift (fees paid from healthplan) from that point on. Took an enormous amount of time, effort, and experts to get that diagnosis pulled.

Seems money is more important to them than truth, or a correct diagnosis. The lure of easy money is too much for them, I guess… Another thing they do here is what some call “match and patch”. If some of the symptoms match, they, erm, add some more to make it into a known syndrome. Could say that takes all the worry out of being close (to the right diagnosis).

Since the art and practice of curing people has become a for-profit HUGE INDUSTRY, the Hippocratic Oath has become more of a Hypocritical Oath (as in swearing or expletive). Sad. Especially for the patients, and the honest, hard-working folks who are pressured to conform to the greed and malign practices surrounding them…..

churchmouse

That’s happening in the UK as well.

My deepest sympathies, mollypitcher5, on the loss of your father, especially during such troubled times. May he live on as a blessed memory to you and your family.

mollypitcher5

Thank you Churchmouse but that was another person’s tweet about her father.

We’ve had our share of loved ones passing here at the Qtree lately . I’m grateful that this wasn’t my situation. It was a kind thing to say.

churchmouse

That’s a relief, for sure.

I thought the person in the tweet had lost her father-in-law and that you had lost your father, from your comment.

My mistake for misreading — and my apologies.

Guess it’s time for bed soon as it’s very late here across the pond. 😉

mollypitcher5

No apology necessary at all

Gingersmom2009

^ ^ ^ I certainly hope the folks that hype about stats and excess deaths all the time here are seeing this. ^ ^ ^

Cuppa Covfefe

A quote from Upton Sinclair seems appropriate on that count:

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”


phoenixrising

I don’t believe Bloomberg at all…

hospitals are empty… everywhere

kinthenorthwest

Reason they are interesting is that they are defeating the message of lock downs and masks. Whether true or not! Take a look at the states that have VERY little improvement and you will notice with the most stringent mandates.

churchmouse

It’s not just Bloomberg, though.

As I replied to K above, we have the same mysterious situation in England. NHS health trusts are supposedly panicking, including the ambulance services. One woman in Gloucestershire got arrested before the New Year for filming inside an empty hospital. Go figure …

churchmouse

We have the same in the UK: a sudden explosion of cases because of the new variant, which has reached California from our shores.

Our local area was green. Now, a fortnight later, it’s in deep purple or blue, depending on the map. We went from Tier 2 to Tier 4 really quickly.

It might tie in with the Christmas-New Year holiday season.

It still seems odd.

Agree that the places with the most mandates do not do any better than those with fewer restrictions.

para59r

Simple answer. Medical cabal types thrive better in dem states where they can employ all their vile as well as sham tactics at will.

Wolf Moon

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FRAUD ALERT: Analysis of 3,000 Counties Reveals Joe Biden Received 5.6% More Votes in Counties Using Dominion Voting Machines

January 2, 2021, 9:04pmby Jim Hoft 70 Comments

You have GOT to read this summary.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/fraud-alert-analysis-3000-counties-reveals-joe-biden-received-5-6-votes-counties-using-dominion-voting-machines/

https://twitter.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1345533834297712640

A recent video posted on Rumble by BasedMedia and DonaldWon.com revealed Joe Biden was given a 5% advantage over President Trump in counties using Dominion Voting Machines.

According to the video —

An unbiased by-county analysis of 2020 general election results of over 3000 U.S. counties shows large-scale skewing of election results in favor of Joe Biden in counties using Dominion Voting Systems.

Analysis conducted by DataScience and released through BASEDmedia constructed a statistical model to predict relative performance for either candidate based upon U.S. Census county data to 90% accuracy.

This analysis revealed that counties that used Dominion and Hart InterCivic ballot counting devices and software consistently gave a 5% vote advantage to candidate Joe Biden over President Trump. This advantage was observed regardless of the county’s majority political party affiliation nor urban, suburban, or rural area demographics.

https://rumble.com/embed/v9cwep/?pub=2ii8p

Linda
Linda

Wolf Moon

Oh, I LUVVVVV that!

RF121
gil00

Ugh!

Cuppa Covfefe

And the next study will be how to fly off roofs under Sharia Law…

RF121

Pay up. Too much going on.

RF121

Dont you just get a surcharge for xGB over your plan?

kinthenorthwest

Do you have AT&T by chance.Could not go on vacation without spending an extra 20 to $0 for overage.
That was why I left them. Now $50 for Tmobile unlimited.

kinthenorthwest

That was why I quit AT&T TMobile coverage not the greatest, but same or better than AT&T coverage.
$40 cheaper, and overall better customer service.
When an At&T rep literally called me stupid, next day I switched

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cthulhu

Get a pay-as-you-go TMobile plan to supplement your AT&T plan. Only use it when AT&T chokes you.

RF121

My cell bill is like a car payment but we need it for work plus all this crap while traveling.

Cuppa Covfefe

Hammer???

Just exactly WHAT are you running from your computer 😀

Here’s hoping you get a better and cheaper provider!

mollypitcher5
para59r

Great Memory Molly. Remembers this. Glad to see this again. I think we can make a full hall of these sort of memories as part of the Presidents Library next to MEMES hall, all off shoots of other important parts. Just four years and all this. No way we abandon this guy.

kinthenorthwest

Trust the Lord, have faith in the Lord..but don’t think I could take America being ruled by the people who are threatening and taking away our rights.
It has become very clear that IF they complete the steal..things will not get better but probably worse.
H3LL even with Biden supposedly winning Antifa is still looting and burning Portland. Seems that Portland was not the only place that has some interesting events over the New Years weekend and the weekend is not over yet.

kinthenorthwest

All one has to do is look at all the new Executive orders by governors of blue states to see what the plan for America is.

para59r

Kinda strange sad when the older generation says fight and much of the younger generation looks on in askance. Needs to over come this.

Gingersmom2009

This may be here already. Simon Parkes’ latest, talks about 200K indictments. Nice and short.

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cthulhu

And now, for something completely different.

Some of you may remember how I got a 20 pound “desperation turkey” from our local supermarket, when they realized they were all going to go out of date before they sold half. As a result, I paid about $10 for it and cooked it on Christmas.

Well, we’re all officially tired of turkey, with or without feast fixin’s (stuffing, gravy, cranberry), or pesto and cheese. So I got out the ol’ crock-pot and did a quick soup.

I started with a “proto-soup” — about a cup of water, about a cup of unsalted chicken stock, about a cup of dry white cooking wine. I took one of the kiddie-lunch packs of pre-cleaned and peeled carrots, cut ’em into thirds, and tossed ’em in. I’ve got frozen tricolor pepper strips in a bag in the freezer, so I took about the same amount as the carrots and cut ’em into about the same size and tossed that in. I took a whole white onion and chopped up the nice parts and tossed it in. I also added some granulated garlic, black pepper, about a teaspoon of mustard powder, and cleaned out my thyme — I had purchased a new baggie, but still had some of the old left. One half of a quarter of butter, and a nice drizzle of EVOO, and it was ready for its first cook. Set it on “high” for one hour.

When I got around to looking at it again (about two hours later and after my dinner — crock pots go into “keep warm” after their cooking cycle), I pulled the baggies of turkey and started sorting. I was looking to make things into pieces whose long dimension was no longer than 1″ and had no skin or oddities to distract from the soup. After I’d gotten all that in there, I decided to re-season it. I completed the Scarborough Faire and added some savory. Savory, IMHO, is an underrated (and hard to find) herb that makes things savory. I did another hour cook and stashed it (still in the crock) in the back fridge for overnight.

It smells nice, but it is a bit monochrome for visual appeal. I’m hoping to throw in some red lentils and veggie pasta before I do another hour on high, then it’ll be tomorrow’s dinner.

Sylvia Avery

I agree with you about savory.

cthulhu

I have to get mine from McCormick Culinary at a local restaurant supply in ginormous 5 oz. containers.

cthulhu

Well, I’m treating in a way that I hope will inhibit the spontaneous generation of life, so…..

anonymoushorse

I prefer my turkey soup with extra oddities.