That’s an acronym meaning Read The Flippin’ Manual, except it’s not “Flippin'” there in that word starting with F.
The manual is the Supreme Law of the Land, the United States Constitution.
Article II, Section I describes, in the 2nd-4th paragraphs, the means of choosing a President. The third paragraph was replaced by the 12th amendment, but the other two are still current. The fifth paragraph gives the qualifications (including the famous natural born citizen clause). The sixth paragraph discusses succession, but was modified by the 25th amendment.
Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.US Constitution, Article II, Section 1, 2nd Paragraph
The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.US Constitution, Article II, Section 2, 4th Paragraph
The second paragraph seems pretty straightforward; legislators get to determine how the electors get picked. In every case, they’ve chosen to defer to a vote of the people in a state. Each party picks a slate of electors who will vote for their nominee, when you cast your ballot for president, you’re really voting for that slate of electors. The fourth paragraph simply states that Congress gets to pick the date on which the electors are chosen, and the date on which they themselves assemble to vote.
There are grounds for complaint here about the 2020 election, since in many states the Legislature’s rules weren’t followed by the election bureaucrats. I know of less controversy regarding Paragraph 4 being violated, though some have tried to claim that with Congress having set Nov 3rd as the date last year, the selection process had to stop at midnight that night.
Congress’s rules for picking electors and when they vote.
The law that Congress passed in order to pick dates is now codified in Title 3 of the United States Code. In fact Title 3 is entirely about the Presidential Election.
Sections 1 and 2 read:
The electors of President and Vice President shall be appointed, in each State, on the Tuesday next after the first Monday in November, in every fourth year succeeding every election of a President and Vice President.
Whenever any State has held an election for the purpose of choosing electors, and has failed to make a choice on the day prescribed by law, the electors may be appointed on a subsequent day in such a manner as the legislature of such State may direct.US Code Title 3, sections 1 and 2
Section 2 appears to obviate the complaint about the count not having ended at midnight, provided that the individual state’s law allows for it.
Sections 5 and 6 are more painful, but they basically boil down to requiring the states to certify, to the federal government, the names of the electors. Section six mentions votes cast, but it’s votes cast for the electors, not the votes cast by the electors.
If any State shall have provided, by laws enacted prior to the day fixed for the appointment of the electors, for its final determination of any controversy or contest concerning the appointment of all or any of the electors of such State, by judicial or other methods or procedures, and such determination shall have been made at least six days before the time fixed for the meeting of the electors, such determination made pursuant to such law so existing on said day, and made at least six days prior to said time of meeting of the electors, shall be conclusive, and shall govern in the counting of the electoral votes as provided in the Constitution, and as hereinafter regulated, so far as the ascertainment of the electors appointed by such State is concerned.Section 5
It shall be the duty of the executive of each State, as soon as practicable after the conclusion of the appointment of the electors in such State by the final ascertainment, under and in pursuance of the laws of such State providing for such ascertainment, to communicate by registered mail under the seal of the State to the Archivist of the United States a certificate of such ascertainment of the electors appointed, setting forth the names of such electors and the canvass or other ascertainment under the laws of such State of the number of votes given or cast for each person for whose appointment any and all votes have been given or cast; and it shall also thereupon be the duty of the executive of each State to deliver to the electors of such State, on or before the day on which they are required by section 7 of this title to meet, six duplicate-originals of the same certificate under the seal of the State; and if there shall have been any final determination in a State in the manner provided for by law of a controversy or contest concerning the appointment of all or any of the electors of such State, it shall be the duty of the executive of such State, as soon as practicable after such determination, to communicate under the seal of the State to the Archivist of the United States a certificate of such determination in form and manner as the same shall have been made; and the certificate or certificates so received by the Archivist of the United States shall be preserved by him for one year and shall be a part of the public records of his office and shall be open to public inspection; and the Archivist of the United States at the first meeting of Congress thereafter shall transmit to the two Houses of Congress copies in full of each and every such certificate so received at the National Archives and Records Administration.Section 6
The Electors Vote
Finally, The actual vote by the electors takes place, and the results are sent to the President of the Senate, sections 7-10
The electors of President and Vice President of each State shall meet and give their votes on the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December next following their appointment at such place in each State as the legislature of such State shall direct.Section 7
The electors shall vote for President and Vice President, respectively, in the manner directed by the Constitution.Section 8
(This would be as specified in Amendment XII, which we’ll get to.)
The electors shall make and sign six certificates of all the votes given by them, each of which certificates shall contain two distinct lists, one of the votes for President and the other of the votes for Vice President, and shall annex to each of the certificates one of the lists of the electors which shall have been furnished to them by direction of the executive of the State.Section 9
The electors shall seal up the certificates so made by them, and certify upon each that the lists of all the votes of such State given for President, and of all the votes given for Vice President, are contained therein.Section 10
The electors shall dispose of the certificates so made by them and the lists attached thereto in the following manner:
First. They shall forthwith forward by registered mail one of the same to the President of the Senate at the seat of government.
Second. Two of the same shall be delivered to the secretary of state of the State, one of which shall be held subject to the order of the President of the Senate, the other to be preserved by him for one year and shall be a part of the public records of his office and shall be open to public inspection.
Third. On the day thereafter they shall forward by registered mail two of such certificates and lists to the Archivist of the United States at the seat of government, one of which shall be held subject to the order of the President of the Senate. The other shall be preserved by the Archivist of the United States for one year and shall be a part of the public records of his office and shall be open to public inspection.
Fourth. They shall forthwith cause the other of the certificates and lists to be delivered to the judge of the district in which the electors shall have assembled.Section 11
[In case someone doesn’t realize this: The “President of the Senate” is the Vice President, at the current time that’s Mike Pence. Or is it? If it’s not him…is there any provision for who is “acting” VP until Trump can nominate, and congress approve, a successor?
UPDATE: Sylvia (she of the shovel) made a point that makes me think this is the wrong question. It’s not “acting VP” we are after, but rather “acting President of the Senate.” (That’s a description, not a formal title.) I strongly suspect that the President Pro Tem steps up when there is no President of the Senate available. As of right now, that President Pro Tem is Chuck Grassley.]
Sections 12 and 13 talk about what happens if the state’s slate of electors isn’t received by the President of the Senate by the 4th Wednesday in December; in essence he goes to the secretary of state for that state and asks him for HIS copy of the certificate; if that fails he then goes to the judge in that jurisdiction.
Section 14 basically says if the messenger doesn’t deliver, he forfeits $1000.
What I don’t see here is any sort of thing Pence had to do by some date in December to reject the certificates he had. There was an awful lot of noise about that for about two days, and whatever it was that Pence was (not) supposed to do, he didn’t do it so a lot of people got upset with him. For what, precisely?
Are some people supposedly on our side making up their own laws here to fit a narrative?
Twelfth Amendment: The Rest of the process.
The original process from Article II, Section I called for each elector to cast two distinct votes for President, neither vote carrying more weight than the other. Whoever came in first would be the next President, whoever came in second became the Vice President. However, one thing our Framers didn’t anticipate (or maybe they did but they certainly didn’t want) were political parties, and this process could, and did, lead to bitter rivals being elected President and Vice President in 1796. So the Twelfth Amendment was passed by Congress, sent to the states, and was ratified by September of 1804.
The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;–the President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;–The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. [And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.–]The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.Amendment XII to the United States Constitution. The bit in the brackets was superseded, in turn, by the XXth Amendment.
Essentially they now had the electors vote for President and Vice President separately, and they modified the rules slightly for what to do if no one got a majority.
Speaking of which: “The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed” would mean that the winner must get 270 votes or more to win at this point in the process. As far as I can discern, no one is disputing that 538 electors have been appointed. Maybe that dispute will be taken up on the 6th of January. And this is probably what American Thinker is imagining Pence could do on Wednesday. If he refuses to acknowledge their appointment somehow, then that reduces the aggregate number of electoral votes.
It doesn’t look, at the moment, like someone’s going to fail to get a majority, but here’s what happens if no presidential candidate gets 270 or more: and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice.
In other words, the House drops what it is doing, and picks a president from the top three electoral vote winners. However, each state’s delegation casts one vote, so Wyoming has exactly as much to say as does California. At least two thirds of the states (34 or more) must have at least some of their Reps present for this to proceed (the quorum) and the winner must get the votes of at least 26 states. (Not a majority of those present, a majority of all states.)
This doesn’t seem like it would be much of a problem for Trump, provided we can get to that part of the process, because most state delegations are majority Republican. Except of course that I wouldn’t necessarily trust a bunch of RINOs to vote for him. On the other hand their other two options are Biden, and whoever comes in third in electoral votes.
I have heard nothing whatsoever about a third candidate getting any electoral votes from faithless electors. Seven or eight people switched their votes last time. (Countering this point is the claim that the electors vote by secret ballot; I don’t believe this is actually the case as 1) it’s not specified anywhere that they do this and 2) it would be impossible for those states who require the electors vote for their party’s candidate to apply that law. And I do know that some electors last time were replaced on the spot when they refused to vote for Trump or Hitlary.)
(Last time around, Colin Powell got three electoral votes and was therefore in third place. I believe someone was trying to set up an attempt to put him in the White House as a compromise choice if the election were kicked to the House–which it wasn’t.)
Who is third this time around? Is anyone third this time around? Does anyone know? The one source I have (Wikipedia) states there weren’t any. (Take that for what it’s worth.)
But in order to even get to a point where this matters, Joe Biden has to lose a bunch of electoral votes between now and Wednesday. How might this be accomplished?
Run On Legalese
Back to Title 3. Now we’re up to Section 15. And someone ought to be beaten by a rubber hose for this massive run-on pile of verbalistic schiff.
Congress shall be in session on the sixth day of January succeeding every meeting of the electors. The Senate and House of Representatives shall meet in the Hall of the House of Representatives at the hour of 1 o’clock in the afternoon on that day, and the President of the Senate shall be their presiding officer. Two tellers shall be previously appointed on the part of the Senate and two on the part of the House of Representatives, to whom shall be handed, as they are opened by the President of the Senate, all the certificates and papers purporting to be certificates of the electoral votes, which certificates and papers shall be opened, presented, and acted upon in the alphabetical order of the States, beginning with the letter A; and said tellers, having then read the same in the presence and hearing of the two Houses, shall make a list of the votes as they shall appear from the said certificates; and the votes having been ascertained and counted according to the rules in this subchapter provided, the result of the same shall be delivered to the President of the Senate, who shall thereupon announce the state of the vote, which announcement shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of the persons, if any, elected President and Vice President of the United States, and, together with a list of the votes, be entered on the Journals of the two Houses. Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any. Every objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives before the same shall be received. When all objections so made to any vote or paper from a State shall have been received and read, the Senate shall thereupon withdraw, and such objections shall be submitted to the Senate for its decision; and the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, in like manner, submit such objections to the House of Representatives for its decision; and no electoral vote or votes from any State which shall have been regularly given by electors whose appointment has been lawfully certified to according to section 6 of this title from which but one return has been received shall be rejected, but the two Houses concurrently may reject the vote or votes when they agree that such vote or votes have not been so regularly given by electors whose appointment has been so certified. If more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State shall have been received by the President of the Senate, those votes, and those only, shall be counted which shall have been regularly given by the electors who are shown by the determination mentioned in section 5 of this title to have been appointed, if the determination in said section provided for shall have been made, or by such successors or substitutes, in case of a vacancy in the board of electors so ascertained, as have been appointed to fill such vacancy in the mode provided by the laws of the State; but in case there shall arise the question which of two or more of such State authorities determining what electors have been appointed, as mentioned in section 5 of this title, is the lawful tribunal of such State, the votes regularly given of those electors, and those only, of such State shall be counted whose title as electors the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide is supported by the decision of such State so authorized by its law; and in such case of more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State, if there shall have been no such determination of the question in the State aforesaid, then those votes, and those only, shall be counted which the two Houses shall concurrently decide were cast by lawful electors appointed in accordance with the laws of the State, unless the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide such votes not to be the lawful votes of the legally appointed electors of such State. But if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointment shall have been certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted. When the two Houses have voted, they shall immediately again meet, and the presiding officer shall then announce the decision of the questions submitted. No votes or papers from any other State shall be acted upon until the objections previously made to the votes or papers from any State shall have been finally disposed of.Title 3, Section 15.
At 1 PM on January Sixth, Four appointed “tellers,” two senators and two reps, in the presence of both the House and Senate, presided over by the President of the Senate, open the states’ votes in alphabetical order, and read them off. Last time around, they simply rotated; I remember one of the Senators was Klobuchar. This is normally a ritual; they were even reading from a prepared script.
The President of the Senate then accepts the vote of the state…at which point, it’s final for that state. There is no recourse.
But before that happens, objections can be made from the floor. “Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any. Every objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives before the same shall be received. When all objections so made to any vote or paper from a State shall have been received and read, the Senate shall thereupon withdraw, and such objections shall be submitted to the Senate for its decision; and the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, in like manner, submit such objections to the House of Representatives for its decision;“
Note that all objections to a states vote must be made before the session breaks up. Once they’re done deciding, you can’t object again. You can make 25 objections before and they’re all to be considered simultaneously, but none after. So as I read this, we can’t tie this up simply by filibustering with objections to the same state, over and over. The run-on-sentence champion who wrote this law tried to ensure the process would come to an end someday.
[We will have, however, a very early indicator of how it’s going to go. You see, Arizona is one of the states rotten with fraud, and it’s quite early in the alphabet! I should expect there to be objections, we already have a senator and several house members who say they will do so. When that happens, we will see what comes of it.]
Basically the house and senate can only reject on the grounds that the slate of electors wasn’t valid or didn’t follow the process correctly. THIS IS WHERE ANY ALLEGATION OF ELECTORAL FRAUD WOULD COME INTO PLAY. (Or, if there are two competing slates, they get to pick the right one. Of course a bunch of competing Trump electors sent certificates to Washington, but those may have been rejected as invalid already–apparently the governor didn’t sign them; I’d certainly be surprised if the tellers open them up and read them; if they don’t, then the alternate certificates don’t matter since they haven’t been opened in the joint session. I don’t think anyone knows what happened to all of those alternate slates.)
The problem is, both the House and Senate must uphold the objection(s). If only one agrees, the objection(s) fail. And nothing is specified here about voting by states in the House. That only comes into play when the House selects the president-elect.
Do you expect the House, which will be a narrow Democrat minority on January 6, to uphold any objection to a Biden elector? Do you even trust the RINOs in the Senate to toe the line? The only way I can imagine it happening is if there is a lot of D/RINO absenteeism in both chambers.
I admit that I don’t see the President’s strategy here–what I can think of seems doomed to fail–but it seems pretty obvious that he thinks he has one, else why the Rally? I very earnestly hope he sees something I do not.
So let’s assume someone gets a majority of the electoral vote, or the House gets it and makes a decision in a timely manner. In that case, the person chosen becomes the President-Elect.
There is, at that point no appeal, and no remedy for the loser. As Joe Biden told an objector back in 2017 when no senator would join her objection, “it is over.”
January 6th is Wednesday. By next Friday, when I do my next daily, we will know who the President Elect is, or America will be glued to their TV screens watching Congress deal with an historic mess as we go into Day Three of Congress adjudicating the election.
I’ll close by quoting my own paragraph from five weeks ago.
I have said it before, and I will say it again, this is for all the Chips. After this, GAME OVER. If we lose this, to such blatant fraud, 2024 won’t matter. Trump won’t matter. Politically speaking, nothing on Earth will matter. There will be no recourse within the system.
A Reminder Of Today’s Big Issue.
Our movement is about replacing a failed and corrupt political establishment with a new government controlled by you, the American People...Our campaign represents a true existential threat, like they’ve never seen before.Then-Candidate Donald J. Trump
Needs to happen, soon.
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This is the WQTH Daily Thread. You know the drill. There’s no Political correctness, but civility is a requirement. There are Important Guidelines, here, with an addendum on 20191110.
We have a new board – called The U Tree – where people can take each other to the woodshed without fear of censorship or moderation.
And remember Wheatie’s Rules:
1. No food fights
2. No running with scissors.
3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
4. The first rule of gun safety: Don’t let the government take your guns.
5. The gun is always loaded.
5a. If you actually want the gun to be loaded, like because you’re checking out a bump in the night, then it’s empty.
6. Never point the gun at anything you’re not willing to destroy.
7. Keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire.
8. Be sure of your target and what is behind it.
9. Social Justice Warriors, ANTIFA pukes, BLM hypocrites, and other assorted varieties of Marxists can go copulate with themselves, or if insufficiently limber, may substitute a rusty wire brush suitable for cleaning the bore of a twelve or ten gauge.
(Hmm a few extras seem to have crept in.)
Coin of The Day
Unless I think of something…
Just one more thing, my standard Public Service Announcements. We don’t want to forget any of these!!!
How not to get your ass kicked by the police. Chris Rock in 2007
Granted an “ass kicking” isn’t the same as being shot, but both can result from the same stupid act. You may ultimately beat the rap, but you aren’t going to avoid the ride.
Remember Hong Kong!!! And remember the tens of millions who died under the “Great Helmsman” Chairman Mao.
Zhōngguò shì gè hùndàn !!!
China is asshoe !!!
For my money the Great Helmsman is Hikaru Sulu (even if the actor is a dingbat).
So, with nothing habbening today, I was killing time with Mr. Steam Punk Wolf and we decided he’d look properly steamy and punky in a few images, so . . .
LMAO!!! Oh, these are priceless! Good show!!!
Bak you are having way too much dun with the wolfs LOL
The old aviator goggles are gold.
Reminds me of this, which is probably an expression we all better get some practice with this weekend. 😉
Btw, Carl, being such an eclectic term I searched “steampunk wolf” in an image search.
It’s actually a “thing”!
Lots of crazy steampunk wolf masks, statues, images, etc.
Oh carl those are fabulous! I love the Q lapel pin!
Haaa…I love these!
Great work, Carl.
Carl, these are just fantastic!
No big deal, but Mike Pompeo just posted this photo and they’re all grinning like Cheshire Cats. 😀
And he also used the #Swagger. Lmao. I love him.
was this picture from today?
This is an interesting post from today:
Yes – VERY interesting!
I removed my post. Too early for me.😁
Doubtful. Ric Grenell is sitting at the table and he is no longer with the administration. It looks like a formal cabinet or subcabinet meeting and not a campaign meeting.
Unless PDJT wanted Ric back to consult or something as coothie suggested below……..
Doubtful. Ric Grennel is sitting at the table and he is no longer with the administration. It looks like a formal cabinet or subcabinet meeting and not a campaign meeting.
It’s not cabinet — it’s mostly military.
No, but subcabinet maybe? I don’t know. Just seems unlikely Ric Grenell would be there as Joe Citizen, but what do I know.
I’m thinking he’s there as former DNI. If Ratcliffe is also at the table, that might make sense. If Ratcliffe is missing, it’s more likely an old picture.
I’d buy that.
Well Good Morning Sylvia, and Happy New Year!
I’ve only been back posting for a few weeks now, and I haven’t yet had a chance to say hello!
IIRC, I’m the guy who called you a “newfag” (lol!) way back when, while giving a tutorial to other posters / readers here, on how to safely navigate the chan boards.
I hope you’ve been well, and have been enjoying the show …
Oh yeah, I remember! Because I was embarrassed I didn’t know what BEWBIES were. You were kind enough to explain! 🤣🤣🤣
Good to see you back! Happy New Year!
All guys know what boobies are.
Posted on twitter? I don’t see it on his twitter account…?
Never mind – I was on his personal account v. his Sec. of State account.
Yes! Just found it!
He posted a bunch of different pictures today with that same text.
That is a very interesting picture. Let’s go clockwise from VSGPOTUSDJT. We have three people that we can see clearly — surely someone recognizes them and can provide info — and the nametags are situated that they may provide clues. Then there is an empty chairs I can only go 150% zoom, so it looks like the first he has a title — and I can’t read the name.Then we have someone grinning broadly. His name card doesn’t appear to have a title, and I can’t read his name.
Then we get to Ric Grenell, who has just a hint of a smile, then another person entirely eclipsed by Kansas, whose placard it entirely edge-on to us and unreadable. Then, of course, Kansas.
We next see someone’s left arm, but not their head, which is obscured by the next guy, whose body is hidden by our faceless closest person, who seems to be “Keith Koleg”, or something. He has a very short title.
The photographer doesn’t seem to have a placard. There is a placard for General John Raymond to his left. Beyond that, is a person whose placard says something like “Jim McCateli” The last of our invisible trio is “David Gitel”. One more military person and back to POTUS.
The meeting room is the Cabinet Room in the White House. It overlooks the rose garden (behind the curtains on the left) and is two doors from the Oval Office. The door in the picture goes to the President’s Secretary.
Better than being doomed. And better than being walked through Antifa.
As a fun side note, the chairs are custom built for that space and have Cabinet Members’ names and positions on little plaques on the back. When you move on from the cabinet, you are given the option of buying your chair.
This does not apply to the President’s chair. It has a little plaque on the back that just says “The President”, without a name, and the chair back is 2 inches taller than all the others.
I love those little fun side notes! Makes history and government come alive.
And all those chairs are (I think) MADE IN AMERICA!
That’s different than the DEMONRATS and RINOs and ChiComs, who buy their chairs first 😡
I love Ric Grennel. PDJT loves him. But why would he be at what looks like a cabinet meeting? He’s not part of the administration at this time. He’s campaign staff. I’m thinking this was not a current picture.
If one of the people you can’t see were Gen. Flynn, would that change your thoughts?
Yep. I’d figure they were called back to duty for some reason.
I spent time scrutinizing the picture because I suspect that the people we can’t see are more meaningful than those we can.
You may well be right.
I dont think this is today. Richard Grenell posted a pic from home yesterday morning, in Rancho Mirage.
is that anywhere near where PIGLOSI lives
(asking for a friend…)
No. Rancho Mirage is in the Palm Springs area in SouthernCalifornia. It is much nicer than PS and San Fran though.
so could someone, like, oh just for instance, Ric, travel to Piglosi’s house, present her with the gift of a pig’s head (wink, wink) which i believe in some remote cultures is a token of affection and make it back undetected? LOL
No. Its so cal desert. She in bay area midstate.
I knew todays OP was gonna be a screed about what will happen.
…except it leaves out what the 20th Amendment and the Congressional Research Service says. LOVED the part about “reading the flipping manual” in light of that!
Kinda a big miss. No biggie. Prolly won’t happen. Maybe.
Possibly because the order of succession is a different topic from how the election is run?
That’s not quite right, is it?
Fraud vitiates everything. And how the election is run CAN be dependent upon the order of succession.
I’ll leave out the part about you blatantly lying and saying I didn’t cite a source, when I cited both the 20th Amendment as well as the Congressional Research Service.
I’m not looking to do that deep of a drill….can you post the CRS thing you’re referring to (I just put the 20th Amendment up).
Here’s what I got when I clicked on the link in his comment yesterday:
Hmmmm…..that seems to be a quite literary recap of the state of play when issued (2005). I didn’t see anything particularly useful in it. Let’s see if FG&C was thinking of a different CRS thing.
You can go back to the last page of yesterday.
Yes, and be sure to see where Steve claimed I had not cited any sources.
As far as this CRS paper goes…
But then you aren’t looking to do that deep of a drill, like you said.
The document at the link that Steve provided comes up with nothing if you search for “Constitution provides”. And, of course, saying that the Constitution provides something is far different from showing the portion of the Constitution that states this.
Is that quote from some other CRS source?
Nope. same document. Page 4. 1st sentence under “Current Arrangements”.
Heh. CTL-F only works with two spaces between “Constitution” and “provides”. Someone got happy with the typesetting.
While the document is extensively footnoted, that paragraph is not.
As a standalone paragraph, I fail to see how it it expresses more than wishful thinking. To say the “Constitution provides” something while going beyond the text of the Constitution is dubious.
I’ve got $100 that says the lawyers at the CRS who wrote that summary for Congress have a boatload of supporting documentation and law to cite in support of that paragraph. But your opinion is noted.
I don’t think I expressed an opinion. I made three substantial observations. Do you object to one?
My mistake. I thought you called something dubious. Regardless, I made my point.
From Mirriam-Webster online:
Definition of dubious1 : unsettled in opinion : doubtful I was dubious about the plan.
2 : giving rise to uncertainty: such as
a : of doubtful promise or outcome a dubious plan
b : questionable or suspect as to true nature or quality the practice is of dubious legality
I don’t think that saying something is “unsettled in opinion” is the same as expressing an opinion, but perhaps that’s just me.
It is just you. And you never used that phrase “unsettled in opinion”. You said, “is dubious”, which is a declarative statement. And btw, observations and opinions all too often are the same thing. I think you believe you were making a statement of fact. You weren’t. The CRS is Congress’ own in-house lawyers who research these very questions. Why not defer to them unless you can cite reason and source not to in this particular case?
Well, I’m unlikely to hire you on as audit staff….and you’re unlikely to hire me to fly a plane. So we’ll call it good right there.
I accept your surrender. It was a wise choice. You were getting nowhere, obviously.
Lemme cite that paragraph one more time, as it may come into play in the days ahead…
EXACTLY…fraud vitiates everything. How do you get to order of succession…if that order is created by fraud?
There have to be safeguards that prevent the Constitution from being used to destroy the Constitution.
The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin.
The Congress shall assemble at least once in every year, and such meeting shall begin at noon on the 3d day of January, unless they shall by law appoint a different day.
If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.
The Congress may by law provide for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the House of Representatives may choose a President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them, and for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the Senate may choose a Vice President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them.
Sections 1 and 2 shall take effect on the 15th day of October following the ratification of this article.
This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission.
The 21st Amendment repealed Prohibition, so I’m pretty sure this happened.
Thanks for this post.
I was going to go on and talk about what happens if the “President Elect” is dead, etc. (as discussed in Section 2), but that really only comes into play after we have a President Elect, and, by next Friday when I’m writing, we’ll know who that is–probably. Things may be *resolved* by then.
Looking through my “Q goggles” I see that things are already *resolved*, we just don’t know it yet.
I’ll tell you what, the arguments on this board are getting to be more entertaining than the show in the swamp.
how are you and your family DePat??
At this moment I’m feeling a lot of heat, but not getting much light.
Having read all the discussion under this comment, and being a simple human for whom the intricacies of all this are somewhat obscure, can I assume that what you are getting at here is this simple:
You believe that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris will either be disqualified, arrested, or otherwise removed from consideration as President on or before January 6?
So a guy responding to Loui Gohmert’s post about not having standing in his law suit made a great point. “Millions will have standing on the 6th”.
So since they are going to attempt to block patriots on the 6th maybe it’s a good idea to set up a gun sharing program in the DC surrounding areas for visitors that get their right of assembly taken away.
On the other hand, maybe POTUS and the Q team don’t need us to do that. Just show up, is all. No guns necessary.
That’s where my money is.
Jus’ sayin’ \_ 😉 _/
I intend to go to DC on the 6th, unarmed and unafraid.
POTUS would not call us there to watch him lose, nor leave us unprotected.
The remark is aimed in the event patriots are barred from getting into DC. I’d love to say that is still very unlikely but people are getting antsy on both sides. We’ll likely know better by the 5th. A lot will likely show up by then if allowed and a peaceful presence will likely hold from then on out.
Let’s say the DS sets off a bomb in DC….like Nashville….and further assume that the liberal media will (undoubtedly) blame this on Trump extremists (ie. white supremists)…..and the authorities declare DC closed for the protection of all concerned (as I have openly feared in these pages).
You gonna try and march, armed, into DC against that backdrop with Trump flags flying?
Amen. No – we are going to win on this no matter what. See my comment. You have to TRUST TRUMP on this. This is beautiful strategy. The enemies ALL know it, too.
And we have to be there, because it DESTROYS their countermoves.
Big Bombs just make it more exciting for some people. If turn out is just half of what’s expected there would be enough that would try to push their way in and if they got into some serious trouble others would likely follow. It’s not a good idea to keep people out. Making the conditions unbearable is a different story I’d think. People would put up with that to a larger extent until it wore them down and numbers dwindled except that people are aware of that and are preparing for it. Anyway, just an opinion.
I think having us all there to watch a subset of the Republicans betray us would be an excellent strategy – no matter whether Trump WINS or LOSES immediately, nor if it turns into a long-running debacle.
Hear me out. Assume Trump knows what comes next – and this is all about making US understand the LEVEL OF BETRAYAL.
Mitch McConnell TRIED to stop Hawley from objecting – in fact he tried to stop ALL of them from objecting.
Why? Because then there is no way to see Republican betrayal during voting on the OBJECTIONS.
If objections are raised, the SENATE must vote on them. This is where the chaff and the wheat are separated. McConnell was trying to PREVENT THAT.
Whether the Senate comes back with objections sustained or not won’t matter, as Steve points out, because in all cases, it will be the State Executive-supported slate of electors that is automatically approved either way.
Now – there is an entire class of ways out of this which are really astounding, and I don’t want to pin down what they individually are, but I believe many of them will work, and I think that is what is going to happen.
The key is to realize that no person who knows what happened unconstitutionally in those states under objection [an ERROR] can in good conscience allow the fraud to proceed, if by doing their duty, they commit a furtherance of that crime.
There are 1000 possible ways that explodes. Some resolve immediately – others do not.
View this thing this way – that there is ALREADY a terrible, unconstitutional error – a sneaky bug that the enemy designed in the scofflaw states. How do you STOP IT?
THROW ANOTHER ERROR.
This is why Trump is calling it “wild” – the thrown error is KARMIC.
I believe that this whole thing is being set up to be an ERROR CONDITION, and that Trump has a HUGE multi-level CATCH statement surrounding the TRY which will be THROWN into a new error condition no matter what.
Will be forced.
To bless the fraud.
Or vacate the fraud.
There will be an error thrown that DUMPS THE FRAUD.
And Trump catches the output of the error.
NO MATTER WHAT.
Congress is being forced to marry the greased pig they gave Trump.
This is error condition programming. Even when you “lose” you WIN.
“Whether the Senate comes back with objections sustained or not won’t matter, as Steve points out, because in all cases, it will be the State Executive-supported slate of electors that is automatically approved either way.”
I said that? I *thought* I was saying that both chambers have to approve the objection. And I was saying I’d be surprised if the alternate slates of electors show up on Wednesday.
If the objection is not sustained by both the house and the Senate, then the votes stand.
Let me go back and read what I wrote. I’ll fix it if need be.
No, I’m the one being unclear, because I’m ASSUMING the House comes back NOT sustaining the objections, thus “in all cases” we get the Biden electors, since they are all going to the the “official” governor-approved electors for Biden.
Ultimately we will loose all objections as we don’t have the votes to win them. That however is not the purpose of making the objections. We make the objections to buy time so Trump can take action, to tell the full story of the election fraud, and to sully the Biden/Harris administration in the event they end up making it into office.
And buying time is important as there are still paths to victory because fraud does vitiate everything as will foreign interference if it can be shown to have happened.
Telling the story is important too. People are going to want to understand why Trump does not surrender to Biden and why all these patriots are going to war. The story is going to provide the moral and ethical reasons for what happens should we fail to get this adjudicated properly.
And there’s no way we give up with out telling the story of the fraud as the left keeps saying this was a clean election. We know it was not and need to hammer that point into their forehead so deep it takes 4 years to pull it out. Russian collusion was proven to be a myth, this fraud clearly is not and Biden and Harris need to wear it around their necks till they are dead after which it needs to be chiseled into their tomb stones should they be afforded such.
I’m paraphrasing a LOT of what you said, and throwing in an assumption about Pelosi and the House being an automatic “no”, and not caring about the alternate electors, as much as you doubt them having any chance.
You never “pointed out” what I said explicitly, but it is a larger implication of many things you did point out. We get the governors’ Biden electors no matter what the Senate does, as you state or imply (“point out”), IMO.
I’m also wondering whether Pence’s conundrum is whether he completely repudiates the Deep State or guarantees their certain doom.
I have no idea what is going to happen, but all I know is that no honest person can put lipstick on the pig and elect Joe Biden on clearly unconstitutional voting laws which allowed massive PROVEN fraud.
Even just RESIGNING makes sense, if one is not able to pick between forwarding a Constitutional BOMB or jumping on top of it.
Let somebody jump on it who CAN and WILL jump on it.
That makes sense. But I’m talking about being physically IN DC.
I can “watch” all that from the comfort of my recliner rather than standing outside Congress in DC freezing my ass off being outside all day with no place to take a leak (if rumors re: port-a-potties are true).
Are you suggesting that POTUS would call me to DC just so I can be doubly pissed off if he loses?
What am I missing?
If you’re male in DC, there are countless appropriate places to take a leak, so long as you hold up a “Peaceful Protest” placard while doing so.
I’ve been debating with myself about that very thing, and where I would do it. “Reserved for the Speaker” immediately comes to mind.
You win ten bonus internet points with that one.
Blatantly unfair is what it is!
OTOH, when the casinos first opened in AC and people were vying to get to the tables, never wanting to give up their spots…they used Depends.
Old hiking trick …thick Kotex pads, easier to dispose.
More like a Pee-full protest, but yeah…
Pay one’s respect to the urinalists and the deep state and Piglosi, et. al. …
He will want us there NO MATTER WHAT, because if he “loses” it will be part of the plan.
In that case, I’m formally submitting a citizen’s complaint over the lack of a Ffwd remote button for this movie so I can skip past the part where I freeze my ass off. 🤨
At least you own cold weather gear, because your employment takes you to cold places. I live in California.
I know. You must be into bondage. Buy hey, I’m not judging or anything. To each their own and all that.
I made it through all of 2020 — pandemic and all — wearing cargo shorts. I don’t see that being viable in most of the country (and, mind you, many people think it’s crazy here).
many people think it’s crazy here
^^^ “Crazy”? More like NOTHING short of batshit crazy. California, that is.
There is no doubt. Batshit crazy is a charitable assessment of CA.
California Granola. A bunch of fruits and nuts, but mostly flakes… – Frank Zappa
He had it right, despite naming his children Moon Unit and Dweezle…
Don’t be a fair weather patriot! 😉
Me? Shoot, my license plate is “DPLRBLE”.
Some perspective on this war vs. the Revolution.
supposed to be in the 50’s in DC this week i believe
The weather, or patfrederick?
weather. I like 55F as a ‘perfect temp.’
I can’t see that: too much potential for emotions to spiral out of control into something BAD.
Thank you for this comment, even though you don’t name specifics about what might happen! 🙄
I have considered this, as well, and the possibility that we might not have an outright win on the 6th. I think people need to be prepared for this, and for anything, and not to assume they know the plan or what “must” happen.
Excellent point about McConnell not wanting to expose Repub betrayal. Also about people [knowingly] furthering the fraud, which would be a crime. So they might be boxed into a corner, especially if irrefutable evidence is presented for all to see (though I don’t know if there will be a venue for that).
Your comment merits several readings.
It’s even barely possible that some dems would chicken out. Barely, of course, meaning a chance in a thousand.
But then on the other hand some Dems in the senate did vote to uphold the veto, so strange stuff does happen.
TL;DR – Trump is the MASTER of covering the downside. He just played this whole thing into a region where he plays LIKE A BOSS and others do not.
That comment IMMEDIATELY brings to mind all the OT posters sarcastic comments about PDJT and “67D chess” back in ‘17-‘18.
Nobody does contingency like Trump. This should be so obvious by now.
“Buh-buh-buh-but MUH EEYORE DOLL!!!”
LOL. Sorry. This FRAUD will not stand.
OT has become the valley of the shills.
You’re not kidding.
Sad, but true. When they went to the new site I did an experiment. I merely liked a comment. I was blocked again forthwith. 😁
Excellent thinking, Wolf.
>> “having us all there to watch” <<
Yup. To leverage the full power of WE THE PEOPLE, one (and all) must do it IN PERSON.
No matter how many letters are written to the Congress Critters, no matter how many phone calls are made … a massive HORDE of people showing up gets the message across best!
Good point, Emerald…we all know that most the phone calls, emails and letters never are viewed by the Congressman…their staffs admit that. They “make a note” or keep a tally that may or may not be seen. Congressional parasites (and, sadly that’s how I’m beginning to think if them) never hear the frustration, the anger, the passion, the lack of trust in the voices of the very people they are there to represent and serve. Once they enter the bubble of DC, they are untouchable.
However, to your point, Emerald…how many In Congress will actually BE in DC on the 6th? That’s the problem with all these million March demonstrations….the very people who are the target of We The People leave town. Obama was famous for that, btw. They might be in danger, you know.
Congress members should be required to stand on the steps of the Capitol and face the Americans they represent! Much, much too cowardly…they only parade around, gavel in hand, when they pass bills in the middle of the night.
>> “the very people who are the target of We The People leave town” <<
We haven’t any need for them to be there, physically. They’ll see what happened, and become justifiably afeared of what the NEXT STEP may be.
We aren’t trying to tar and feather them … YET. But with the demonstration of us physically BEING THERE … they’ll figure out the end-game, and take steps to avoid it.
That is, they’ll be forced to PAY ATTENTION. Their games will only last for so long … and their time is running out, FAST!
>> “face the Americans they represent!” <<
This is the end-game they fear.
For them, fear is the greatest motivator.
For us, it’s TRUTH.
I think having us all there to watch a subset of the Republicans betray us would be an excellent strategy – no matter whether Trump WINS or LOSES immediately, nor if it turns into a long-running debacle.
Post NOT a reply to Wolf. Rather the thought. It is apparent in other posts also.
At this point, being a very slow guy, I do NOT need a lesson on the level of betrayal levied on Americans, by RepubliCONs.
In the past two months alone:
No. FUCK NO. I DON’T need to better understand or grasp the level of corruption across every level of government. I DON’T need proof the Uniparty is real, evil and work in their personal self interest.
BOTTOM LINE, IMO.
65 years of believing in and cherishing our system will be irrevocably shattered beyond repair if this goes for the criminals.
I am NOT going to DC to watch President Trump lose, concede or watch America slip over the precipice of NO RETURN.
The biggest thing here is that McConnell is trying to keep the illusion going not wanting to admit that the audience already knows that the hat has a false bottom, and the coin has the same image on both sides.
POTUS is not just letting them own it, he’s giving them the rope to a-dope themselves.
There literally will be no way to put the genie back in the bottle after what ever goes down this week happens.
The beauty of the “OTHERWISE” clause 🙂
A GOTO that the deep state can’t compute… (and we can say Yourdon(e) to them…)….
What I am going to say may sound ridiculous because it is ridiculous, but I am going to say it anyway: what you are saying is over my head, but I think you are absolutely correct.
I even looked at a site which describes error conditions, and they too are over my head, but I also believe somewhere in there is the category or categories you propose (metaphorically).
At this point it is good enough for me that our President called in the troops for January 6, and I am going with that. Serenity interrupted with bouts of anxiety.
It is so wonderful to have a spouse (and friends, too) who understand what is going on.
My wife and I again watched the Bobulinski interview repeated by Tucker last night, and because we love each other we can put on our tinfoil hats and gloriously speculate with each other. We wound up hoping that the arrest of Joe Biden, or at least Hunter and James Biden, along with incontrovertible evidence of what rational people already KNOW to be true, would be the sort of galvanizing event which puts things on the right track.
nonetheless, please be vigilant and careful!
To which I would add: POTUS would not call us to DC to be a live audience for the latest episode of a soap opera, only to send us home to watch the story line continue unresolved ad infinitum from the comfort of our easy chairs. Something DEFINITIVE happens on or before the 6th.
Excellent explanation. I also am stymied by the President’s actions regarding the election.
I cannot fathom his thinking, which is no doubt for the best.
I will say one thing, Lin Wood has livened things up. And I for one am grateful. 🤣
I agree with all of this. I have no idea what might happen and don’t see viable ways to win. But I’m relying on Pres. Trump’s word and these Q posts:
4944 – Are you ready to finish what we started?
‘Nothing can stop what is coming’ is not just a catch-phrase.
4945 – Are you ready to hold the political elite [protected] accountable?
4946 – Are you ready to take back control of this Country?
And 4942 – This is not about R v D.
This is about preserving our way of life.
If America falls, the World falls.
Patriots on guard.
Still lots of time prior to the 6th. Afterwards, too….to the 20th.
An eternity in politics.
State legislative actions.
Some combination of all of the above.
is that a real roller coaster…..
Someone’s going to have to recognize it. It’s only a partial view of an “out and back” coaster about 120′ tall, against forest. There are zillions of these out there. Coasters don’t start to get noteworthy until they are twice that height.
And after a couple of people have fallen to their deaths. That makes it noteworthy and more valuable (because the sickos want to ride the ‘death’ coaster).
In the amusement park industry, there is a saying, “It’s not fun if somebody dies.” This drives self-regulation, hence why there are so few fatalities which are 99.99% of the time ruled “rider error” after it is demonstrated the rider got out of the restraints or was otherwise fooling around.
I responded above, thinking I was responding to you. It’s in Canada.
Looks like Nitro at Six Flags/NJ. Another B&M great!
Looks like you’ll have to click. 🙄
It looks like that is in Canada at a park called “Wonderland”. The name is Behemoth.
Heh. Yup, that looks like it.
And I totally goofed the height estimate, even though I ran it twice, once by people height in the cars and the second time by counting cross-supports and figuring they were at 18″. The people are sitting pretty low to the track, and the cross supports are more like three feet apart. It is, in fact, the second-tallest coaster in Canada at 230′ (the tallest is in the same park).
And my lunch is probably somewhere, uh, below….
Have fun on that ride, though!
Seriously – what does this JOKE of a plot against Trump and AMERICA deserve?
No better time to go Animal House on them, than a JOINT SESSION OF CONGRESS.
I couldn’t agree more.
Personally, I hope I can see some perp walks. Any spittle reaching them would be a bonus.
PAY FOR VIEW…we could clean up the debt fast!
I would like to see something like this (warning – graphic):
GOT – Walk of Shame
If not spittle perhaps some other bodily fluid it sounds like they wont let us dispose of properly……….
You adrenaline junkie! Things were too dull before???????
(I’m losing my mind, personally.)
Glad to see you, with or without your mind.
I came here to read hoping I’d find it!
Happy New Year, coothie!
Happy New Year, Sylvia!!!
LOL. If I wasn’t laughing I’d be screaming.
I hear you, grandma!
Just don’t let go of your shovel.
I’ve got a death grip o the handle right now! 😂
WOW—What a Meme
That’s awesome. Thanks for sharing.
I have no idea what’s going to happen on the 6th and whether anything good will come out of congress (they don’t have a great track record). But let’s not forget that there is a wild card in all this – we are under a declared national emergency. And that gives the president all kinds of extra powers he doesn’t normally have. Whether any of those include something that will fix this mess, I don’t know. But having other countries butting into our election is obviously a national security issue that should not stand. To say nothing of the fact that Joe Biden himself is a security threat by virtue of his relationship with China.
Rumors that D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser is making all businesses close down between 5th and 7th, particularly hotels, restraurants and any place you can buy snacks.
Tyranny. It hearkens back to Revolutionary days when it was the opposite: they had to quarter redcoats in their homes and businesses.
This may be the source of that rumor:
(I haven’t verified it, yet it seems quite likely, especially with the airlines coordinating against the event as well…)
For those traveling to DC on Jan. 6th
Mayor Does Not Welcome Patriots
I watched that video by Catherine Austin Fitts yesterday.
The elites fear exposure and they fear us.
I say the DC trip is worth that alone.
They damned well better fear us.
I hope and pray that they have at least TEN MILLION reasons to fear us in Washington, D.C. on the 6th January. I’ll be there in spirit and prayer!
And may GOD put down the deep state and the evil that is being fomented by the globalists all over the world!
Great job, Steve, of bringing together a bunch of the parts.
I’ve seen some noise about US Code Title 3, section 15 not reading the same as it did a couple of weeks ago. Were all of your sources contemporary internet ones, or did you have any references that were on paper or on media you control?
I was all set to have the little fish say “new year, same justice”.
I don’t recall when the fish’s next turn is up. 😀 (I just rotate through the five I’ve got right now.)
Unfortunately my sources are online.
I saw that same noise. I had a tab open to that law from before the noise, but when I went to look it reloaded, so if something was different, it went up in a puff of bits.
It’s based, I think on someone remembering a two hour time limit being specified “before,” and “now” it isn’t. I have no real idea.
Yes, that was me. I did a post on it over a week ago when looking at the link provided in a Pence Card story. It clearly said 2hrs and it mentioned 5 minutes of debate time. Neither of those words are there now and the rest of section 15 is highly intelligible. It looks like soup. Also I’m not the only one on the internet that is aware of the 2hr debate clause for objections. So where did every one else get that. My contention is the code pertaining to that section has been altered. You might say that is crazy but then with all the effort they went through to steal the election that would be a minor thing. Also it could be played off very easily with a shrug and a question “hackers?”.
I’m not making any claim what’s right here; I just know I couldn’t confirm it.
Yes, and I’m just owning that it was there and noting that others on the internet are also talking about 2hrs and no one is using the code to refute such. If I went back and searched I posted about it that night I saw the dubious Pence Card story as the link they gave went to the code. At the time I was looking for how Pence had that power and I didn’t see it, but did see what section 15 said and posted about how that’s what people should be concentrating on.
I’d love to find a hard copy.
It’s possible that the site is on the Internet Archive/Wayback Machine so if saved multiple times comparisons could be made.
Actually, I think I saw it somewhere else. Unfortunately, nobody’s been able to produce a smoking-gun to prove it one way or the other.
It really doesn’t matter. 2hrs debate time seems accepted and why call attention to something that is phony. This is just to keep the numbers down on something that could actually make a difference. This is my stance on it. Nothing needs to end on the 6th. The 6th as Steve points out is just the last day to get your objections in. But even that can have sly work arounds if the objection is based on something a bit broad, like one of the recent briefs that was not heard. Technically everything is covered in most of these briefs and sliding new information on it from with in a debate would be hard to shut down. IMO.
I’d better clarify this. Let’s say they get to Arizona and there are two objections. They stop right then and go debate Arizona and come back.
It’s now something like 4PM. When they get to Georgia, there are objections again, and they go off and debate.
It could slip into the 7th and they haven’t even gotten to Pennsylvania yet.
What I meant to convey is when they get to a state, ALL objections must be gathered together and debated simultaneously. Not that that had to be on the 6th; if the process draws out so they’re still tabulating on the 7th, or 8th…then it draws out.
I think though when people imagine this being a long process they’re usually imagining the next phase (if it happens), where the House picks the president. THAT could take a long time if it’s a three way race (which this isn’t). If it is two way, I could see a deadlock if neither candidate gets 26 states to vote for him. At that point, the house is required to just keep trying, as near as I can tell.
Okay, that’s fine. They have 140 house members ready to make objections. Back to the previous point from last night. If the 140 all make the same objection we have what you describe. If they make different objections then we have a whole series of 2 hour debates, potentially 240 hours worth if they do it right (they won’t). Then we move on to the next state. Works for me unless your saying all 140 congressman can be satisfied in one afternoon.
That said though GWP put out an article a day or so back that said the Witch and the Warlock were both going to come up with rules that would make it more difficult to give objections. I’ve not heard more on that, but it would be par for the course as everything is supposed to magically flow in Biden’s favor. No matter what though I’m willing to bet this last more than a few days if not a couple weeks.
Where do you get that from what I wrote? If I wrote that then I was certainly unclear.
ALL objections to that state must be considered simultaneously. Then that state is settled, and they move on to the next state.
140 people can object to Arizona, but they’ll all be handled in the same debate. Then 140 people object to Georgia, all handled in one debate about Georgia.
I’m not worried about the 2 hours.
I’m worried about what we DIDN’T notice ALSO changing, if indeed this turns out to be the case.
Rx…remember the snark reply from someone “on the social media team” of Walmart to Hawley’s announcement of plan to object? The cute little snowflake mentioned Hawley’s 2 hours of fame. You remember correctly.
Sad to think that Walmart feels the need to side with Great Reset crowd (WEF) and not maintain their own independence. It’s when all these giants begin to team up, is when we have to worry.
I’d assume we’ve not heard heard if that person was fired? The statement, taking back the talk just doesn’t seem enough.
Lord forgive me, I really really am trying not to laugh’
Leftists Throw Blood on Nancy Pelosi’s House, Pig’s Head Left on Her Drivewayhttps://rfangle.com/politics/nancy-pelosi-vandalized/?fbclid=IwAR3wETEKkZ6_62z09XCGk7Tj7b5n5yGx6y7npeWIR8E0YggZS0Ww8f8lHhQ
And piss-poor-perv-Patch-newsletter is trying to pin it on conservatives and MAGA folks, but they’re getting SHREDDED in the comments…
Meanwhile, all the stores, etc., here are pushing VEGANUARY…..
SoyBoys and toys, anyone????? Europe will be free for the taking; it there’s anything left worth taking…
Europe will be saved too, Cuppa.
Next-to-last, methinks – ’cause Israel will be last.
America comes FIRST, yes?
And, there’s plenty in Europe worth saving …
Veganism, OTOH, isn’t worth saving at all!
STATEMENTS & RELEASES
LAND & AGRICULTURE
Issued on: January 1, 2021
On Friday, January 1, 2021, the President signed into law:
S. 3418, the “Safeguarding Tomorrow through Ongoing Risk Mitigation Act” or the “STORM Act,” which authorizes the Federal Emergency Management Agency to provide capitalization grants to States to establish revolving funds to provide hazard mitigation assistance to reduce risks from disasters and natural hazards.
The White House
Does that include progressivism??
Asking for Kalifornia and other natural states of disaster.
From GAB (deplorableleelee)…..
Trump is nuking Congress with truth. Check this out. If this keeps up, failure to object will be almost CRIMINAL by January 6.
EXCLUSIVE: Fraudulent Georgia Ballots Were Addressed to Elections Consultant Dwight Brower – The Same Guy Who Reported the Fake Water Main Break and Then Terminated Election Whistleblower
By Joe Hoft
Published January 1, 2021 at 10:06pm
You know, I think it might be real swell to “assist the deplorables coming to DC” with several battalions of “emergency personnel” who [COUGH] could then deal with Congress after they COMPLETE THE CRIME on January 6. Or Congress could object to their own FARCE and go home and not DIRECTLY TO JAIL.
and DO NOT collect $200,000!!