Do Leftists In Government Create Phony Secret “Manhattan Project” Responses To Their Phony Crises?

The title is a simple question that I am finding has much power to explain things.

I’m going to leave this a little bit “loose”, so that everybody can “jiggle it into place”.

If I just say “that guy was a crisis actor!” as evidence, or even just “potential evidence”, we get away from the real point, even if it’s TRUE that the guy WAS a “crisis actor”.

Or even more shockingly, WAS NOT.

See what I mean? (Bill Aldenberg was put in charge of Durham’s “spygate” investigations.) Sometimes the TRUTH becomes even more shocking LATER, when we pursue it, leading to MORE TRUTH.

If I say “they’re giving saline injections for [REASON X]”, what if I’m wrong and it’s [REASON Y]? Or what if “saline injections” is as much of a distracting and discrediting psy-op as “magnetic injections”?

Or what if – “AND” LOGIC – it’s BOTH?

BUT – if I “come in from the TOP”, and say this….

What if the reason Democrats and China and Bill Gates and Fauci are “collaborating” on their phony plague to introduce a weird uterus-flushing “vaccine” is actually some kind of “world crisis response” to a problem these people are certain is a world-destroying threat?

(Listen for the “admission”…..)

Stated differently:

What if Democrats don’t just posit and “react” to their phony alleged crises in the open, but also by secret programs that are a lot harder to get rid of, or turn off?

It sure would explain why leftists in government have to keep making these ridiculous public statements about “threats” that absolutely don’t appear to have any validity to normal people – nor even to scientists who are “cut out of the loops” – both the loops of being “informed” AND of being “under control”.

And OH YEAH, there is a lot of POLITICAL ADVANTAGE in doing that, because of CLASSIFICATION automatically providing COVER and a kind of built-in legitimacy by mere existence as a ‘classified’ matter.

You can talk back to a bill moving through Congress. You can’t talk back to a classified program.

That would even apply to the freaking HOAX against Trump. Not to say WHICH HOAX.

In my opinion, the sleazy Democrats HAVE to be doing this. And if CHINA is involved, at the deepest levels, “because it’s a global problem” – well, yeah.

Kind of explains why all the opposition to TRUMP – right?

“OH, NOES! Our classified save-the-world ‘baby’ is gonna END!”

The easiest way to get people to commit ERROR is to convince them that it is for GOOD.

The easiest way to make sure the error STICKS is to make it SECRET FROM THE GIT-GO.

I’m not saying that everybody has the same motivations in a giant project – especially a “secret” project – THEY DON’T.

Some people get into it for MONEY. Some get in for POWER. Some people just GO ALONG. Many people are just excited to be IN ON IT. And some people just want to have some fun.

Some people – and SCIENTISTS routinely fall for this crap – get involved because they’re FLATTERED. They butter up easily, and once they’re in, they don’t like to admit that they made a mistake. That is a big part of how the Chinese “Thousand Talents” program works, to get world scientists to switch their professional allegiance to CHINA.

Now CHINA is very smart, and prefers – like Obama – to “lead from behind”. We make fun of that Obama statement, but it’s actually a power statement to those who understand that Obama is “foolin’ ya” when he says he’s “leading from behind”.

“Leading from behind” works like this.

  • Posit a problem.
  • Get somebody else to accept that there is (or even might be) a problem.
  • Hint toward a solution.
  • Get somebody else to “come up with” your solution.
  • Praise them for YOUR solution they think is theirs.
  • Encourage them to carry out that solution.
  • Encourage others to find similar solutions.

This is a total euphemism for very sneaky and deceptive leadership. And it IS leadership.

So when China talks about “soft power”, understand that “soft power” is more akin to saying “we’re gonna cut off all avenues of exit”, rather than “we’re gonna be nice about things”.

You starting to see how this works? They love to UNDERSTATE.

Now – there seem to be ways to spot these projects.

  • leaders make phony political virtue signals to these problems that make no sense to normies
  • the projects make “committing moves” where people get into potential trouble that makes them double or triple down
  • “good” people do weird things that seem both stupidly wrong and out of character when they get caught

In my mind, the reason we see these things is that the leftists are ABUSING classification. It’s one thing to hide intelligence or defense matters. It’s quite another to hide some creepy “create gun problems to end gun problems” program.

The beauty of this kind of program is that it is basically “training wheels for conspirators”. You can’t convince most people to take part in a program to spread a virus that creates an avenue to sterilize people – THAT is just “no way”.

But if I came to you, and said “your country needs your skills to help save the world”, would you resist?

Don’t just be afraid of China’s “Thousand Talents” program. Keep an eye out for Obama’s “Million Talents” program. I think it’s there, and I think there are more than just one or two of them.


The media controls the science, no matter what scientists think they know.


I want to thank Aubergine for THIS COMMENT which motivated me to “finish” my thoughts on this into a publishable form. You can go to that link to read the full context, but the more general point which Aubergine posited, is to ask if maybe the incidents of people “accidentally” getting “saline injections” instead of the COVID jabs they thought they were getting, might in fact be of a scientific nature.

These “saline jabs” are a real thing – some people getting saline instead of actual COVID jabs. The question is – HOW OFTEN? There have indeed been a few documented instances. Obviously in a huge project, one expects accidents. Forgetting to pump injectable saline into the lyophilized (freeze-dried) vaccine before injection is an understandable error, and should happen accidentally NO MATTER WHAT.

BUT – I have read about TWO instances where nurses who administered saline gave excuses when CAUGHT. In one case, the nurse said they were opposed to the COVID vaccines. Clearly THAT would be malpractice. People are entitled to get the drug they want – even if it’s risky.

In the other case, the nurse said that they had accidentally SPOILED a lot of vaccine, and rather than risk giving the spoiled vaccine, they covered up by administering saline.

I’m not sure I believe that second one, and I’m not even a 100% believer of the first.

Once a person lies, I become suspicious even of their corrected admission. This policy works well for everybody from naughty children to probable Chinese spies.

Deplorable Patriot has posited that the saline jabs are being used to help cover up vaccines that are showing too many side effects. That is not entirely unbelievable. I have an upcoming article on new developments in COVID vaccines, and the way that the tech is developing, leads me to believe that they are moving in ways that will reduce side effects, but (and this is very important) THEY ARE NOT ADMITTING THIS.

Let me repeat that. It’s scientifically obvious that the industry is responding to the dangers of the vaccines, but they are not admitting that this is the motivation for their response.

Yes. The industry is moving toward different vaccine technology that seems likely to have fewer side effects, AND possibly less OVERALL (systemic) immunity. BUT at the same time, that technology will require MORE vaccinations. So it’s SMART if you’re the industry. AND it’s actually smart science.

But the point is, the industry is reacting in the same way that they would be if CDC was secretly instructing “read-in” administration centers to give saline to the riskier patients as a kind of temporary “mid-stream correction” to an overly aggressive vaccine, WITHOUT scaring people away from vaccination, which seems to be a [WRONG-HEADED] “prime directive” at CDC. CDC has already lied to us about people getting the disease after vaccination, when CLEARLY the terrible PCR test is picking up the vaccine itself – which it MUST in theory. And which it does for quite a while, because the vaccine itself turns out to be WAY more persistent than it SHOULD BE – a fact that they HID.

The “COVID after vaccination” thing is not just an obvious lie, when vaccine RNA should set off PCR tests – it is such a fundamental flaw in the protocol, it simply has to be intentional at SOME level in the controlling bureaucracy.

And we KNOW there are people in the controlling bureaucracy, like Rick Bright, who ABUSE their positions based on AGENDA. It turns out that Rick Bright not only sabotaged HCQ – he sabotaged EIDD-2801, a new drug which is orally active, unlike remdesivir. He was so “behind” the vaccines that he threw monkey wrenches into early treatments of all kinds.

Bottom line – CDC can’t be trusted. BUT they seem to be motivated by the left’s morality, which is that “lying is OK, as long as it’s for the good of the listener”. So – the only thing we really need to change to make “saline injections” understandable, and BELIEVABLE, is to give them a positive moral raison d’être used on participants at SOME level.

That is where Aubergine’s idea hit me like lightning. Even if it is not strictly true that they are “studying” people “in the wild” with saline controls, THAT is the exact clinical mentality of a secret project, once it is underway. That is how you COULD get people to do such things.

But then once that morality is on the table, Dep Pat’s idea makes sense, too.

I COULD EVEN ARGUE IT MYSELF FOR THE CDC, PRETENDING TO BE NEUTRON NANCY (“Radium” Rod Rosenstein’s sister, Nancy Messonnier, who just retired, by the way, thank goodness).

“The vaccine is too strong. People will be getting boosters later. They will be getting safer, second-generation vaccines. We can’t increase vaccine hesitancy by admitting the full spike protein is too strong. FOR NOW, for the riskiest patients who want a vaccine but are contraindicated, just give them saline. The numbers of reactions will also fall, and that is a benefit. Remember – vaccine hesitancy is the MOST IMPORTANT THING. It must be avoided at ALL COSTS.”

Of course, if one did this, one might also feel, based on MORALITY, that one would have to recommend continued mask wear, “to do all one could”, lest the “saline-vaccinated” get the ACTUAL disease and expire.

Make sense now? “Positive leftist deception morality” explains quite a bit. One only needs to ask WHICH LEVEL OF COMPROMISE people are “bought in”. Nursing Home Killer is obviously bought in at a higher level – probably “overpopulation” – where “more bodies now” may be necessary to “fix the terrible problem”, rather than just a few “white lies”.

See? This is for their own good! I should get a secret medal from Obama!


Yeah. That is where we are now.

Making sense? It does to me. Lies upon lies upon lies upon lies.

“For our own good.”

And made “acceptable” by BLESSED SECRECY.

SO – in my opinion – we may have more luck positing the left’s deceptions as “morally righteous” than “wickedly insidious”.

Although, I will admit, sometimes “wickedly insidious” is more fun.

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Brave and Free

GREAT post as always Wolf!
So the Big push to get more people Stabbed, could be to lower the side effects also?


My doctor son told me he had no reaction. He works at the VA.
A sinister thought he can tell his patience how safe the shot is maybe they will not be hesitant. He told me that I sound like his patience who do not want the vaccine. He does not push it on his patience but cannot understand since there was nothing to it that people do not want to take it. He might change his mind.

Cuppa Covfefe

Forgive me, but I cannot find ANY justification for a vaccine for an illness that has very close to 100% survival rate, even for normally susceptible populations.

Compared to something like Ebola, Polio, Smallpox, or some of the other “old standards”, Fakorona is about as dangerous as cheap beer (btw, Corona is no longer cheap over here, but it’s still bad beer).

Nope; this is a power and control play, to convince the Sheeple that Big Brotha knows best, and we all need to step up and take our medicine, whether we want it or not…

And the “vaxxed” are being used as a weapon against the rest of us: get the vaxx, or go to the back…

Leave the alpha and beta testing to rodents and animals; BillyGhoul Gates can learn to do testing correctly (after years of his customers and we MSDN/TechNet folks doing it for him…)….

[Quicherbitchin’, Cuppa…OK… ]

Anyway, a really good analysis and thought-provoking article, Wolf!


I am against the vaccines, esp. these, and we don’t vaccinate at all … so NOT arguing for vaccines.

However, the virus has a 95% survival rate for some groups (esp. due to proper meds not being given at the time of diagnosis but are withheld until complications develop) and had a high rate of long term negative side effects for older age groups.

The survival rate for below 50 is extremely high

Argument is that they can then infect the older populations that are with lower survival rates and more long term complications.

So vaccinate the vulnerable who choose and leave the rest alone.

I would argue aginst the vaccine all day long with the current overall survival rate of ~98% in TN (our rate of survival has been higher than the 97% and lower of some of the states that experienced high infection rates early on because we benefitted from meds and treatment options + common sense not to infect nursing home populations)


By the way, 98% survival rate is much lower than the usual types of flu but much higher that ebola, etc. that you listed.

Cuppa Covfefe


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Source for what?
Death rates? TN death rates? early death rates or current death rates?
Death rates per age catagory?
Flu death rates?


Past year’s flu stats can be found here:


Individual state’s data can be found here:

must compute death rates/survival rates but that is easy to do

deaths per million already computed

compare early hit states with states that had high infection rates begin later


Although this is a few months outdated and doesn’t tell rates, only pure #s, I still find it interesting and a clear visual

chance of death per age group …. get serious for older age groups

The data for the long term damaged/”long haulers” will be interesting – more for older age catagories is assumed. what percentage though?

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Cuppa, you say what we forget but what points to the Big Evil behind the shots.

Big Evil could mean Depopulation, Greed, Control, Sterilization, etc.

You don’t make vaccines for a disease that virtually everyone survives, especially when there are more than adequate therapeutics.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

How many of those survivors get maimed or permanently damaged for the rest of their lives?

Why this presumption that a vaccine is pointless except to the extent that the consequence of not taking it is death? Imagine a disease that causes permanent respiratory damage, and tell people they shouldn’t be vaccinated against it because they will “survive” it. They won’t think much of your logic.

This survival rate is one of our talking points when discussing the vaccine (“why take a vaccine for a disease with such a high survival rate?”), but I think it’s not a valid one, at least not without elaboration.

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Gail Combs

Steve it is high survival rate WITH THERAPEUTICS that mitigate the permanent problems from the ‘rona.

Unlike Wolfie, I rather deal with my problems from the ‘rona than deal with any of the vaccines.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I’m responding to the oft-repeated claim that it’s ridiculous to do a vaccine for something with a 98+ percent survival rate. (I’m not talking specifically about the Mexican Beer Virus.) That claim disregards a lot of factors, some of which might actually apply to the mexican beer virus.

The problem ISN’T with creating a vaccine for a disease with a survival rate this high, the problem is with these *particular* vaccines.

Given how badly Wolf (and personal friends of mine) got hit by this damn thing, you bet your ass I *would* take a real vaccine for it unless I could be assured I had already had it (mild case) and therefore had nothing to worry about. But these vaccines aren’t what I (admittedly unscientifically) refer to as real vaccines; they’re utter incompetent crap at best, and deliberate mass murder at worst.

Gail Combs

Steve, I have taken any number of vaccines over the years and vaccinate my animals…. BUT…. This  💩  STINKS and I have very little faith in the ethics of the scientists and doctors trained in the last decades.


Same. I had 2 Dtaps within an 18 month time period because of a snake bite.

The emergency room doctor was taking no chances.

I did not complain. That said, the next year I started getting allergies like crazy.

Gail Combs

Since I moved a lot, and have horses I got tetanus shots each year. It wasn’t until I stepped on a rusty nail and went to get a booster that I found out I should be getting a booster every ten years.

Unfortunately now tetanus shots are combined with Diphtheria or with  Diphtheria, and pertussis (whooping cough.)  🙄  So I guess I will just have to hope all those tetanus shots help.

The tetanus vaccine is only found in combination with other vaccines. It is available with the diphtheria and pertussis vaccines in two formulations – the Diphtheria, Tetanus and Pertussis vaccine (DTaP) and the Tetanus, Diphtheria and Pertussis vaccine (Tdap). It is also available with the diphtheria vaccine alone in two formulations – the Tetanus and Diphtheria vaccine (Td) and the Diphtheria and Tetanus vaccine (DT).


Well, these are separate issues and you are right, they should be addressed.

So, what are the arguments for NOT getting the shot?

1) High recovery rate
2) No side effects from shots
3) Natural immunity if recovered

What are the arguments for getting the shot?

1) Provides full immunity?
2) Provides partial immunity?
3) Prevents long term side effects from the Covid virus?

There are certainly more points to consider…

Then we can move on to the therapeutics, which in the case of Ivermectin, is providing evidence of helping to mitigate some of the long-term effects of the virus, including lung damage.

We can ask and try to answer those questions in the same way.

So you are making me think, Steve. Thank you.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Having said all of that, I do have objections to THIS shot, for other reasons. But I suspect you already knew that! 🙂


We do, just not widely known or utilized.

Anyone can pick up Ivermectin paste or 1% injectable at the feed store. I read 1.25 cc for average man…I think 180 pounds or so.

Also, the Frontline doctors will prescribe Ivermectin and HCQ, etc.

Lots of info here:


Remember that ivermectin is EXTREMELY TOXIC to collie-like dogs.

Gail Combs

Also review that video again Wolfie. They said that Ivermectin worked on LONG HAULERS!!!


My wife and I got our FL Doctor meds (HCQ and Iver) for when and if we get infected.

We asked the doc about prophylactic Iver, and he did not recommend because of expense ($5/pill, 5 pills for me per week, that’s a lot and does not include my wife).

Per Barnhardt’s great info, especially the video showing how to take the horse paste, I got 5 “syringes” of the paste, less than $6 each, but $20 delivery. There was no cheaper delivery available.

The paste is squeezed out of the “syringe” onto a spoon and eaten.

I am going to be the guinea pig, and my wife will wait to see what happens.

I fully expect the paste to be forced off the market because the whole experience in obtaining it was easy and relatively cheap. We can’t have that!


I’ve got 1% injectable coming via Amazon. As well as 10 ml syringes for dispensing it (NOT injecting it!!!).


It’s like $50 to inoculate a herd. The package is either 50cc or 250cc — it hasn’t arrived yet. (Remember that it’s 1cc/50kg of body weight.)

Gail Combs


This goes along with my hypothesis that The CIA and NASA and certain scientists KNOW (or think they know) we are heading into GLACIATION. AND IT WILL HAPPEN SUDDENLY. This means the Elite MUST get the human population down to under a billion or there will be massive chaos, wars and starvation. (Their thinking)

One you buy into the absolute necessity of reducing the human population so the human race has a chance to survive with at least a modicum of civilization then you go straight to a ‘Manhattan Project’.

Not only is there the 1974 CIA paper, “A Study of Climatological Research as it Pertains to Intelligence Problems” there is The Committee on Abrupt Climate Change, Dr Alley Chair

 Dr. Alley has shown the climate transitions abruptly within years to decades.

The switch from the Wisconsin Ice age to the Holocene occurred in ONE YEAR!!!

“….Perhaps one of the more poignant moments in all of climate science occurred in 1992, documented by John D. Cox, writing in “Climate Crash: Abrupt Climate Change and What it Means for our Future (John Henry Press, an imprint of the National Academies Press, ISBN: 0-309-54565-X, 224 pages, 2005), which describes the initial discovery of Abrupt Climate Change (ACC) and also introduces a main character, Dr. Richard B. Alley:

“They knew they had the critical layer of ice in their snow cave [where the ice cores were first processed-wm]. Wanda Kapsner, a Penn State graduate student, had been taking thin sections about every 20 meters along the lengths of core laid out in the cave. She told Alley, ‘This section is in Holocene ice and the next section 20 meters down is in Ice Age ice, and so between these two is where you’re going to find it.’”




“In the GISP2 science trench, the tray holding the section of core rolled down the assembly line and then it was Alley’s turn at the ice. “It slides across in front of me and I’m trying to identify years: ‘That’s a year, that’s a year and that’s a year, and—woops, that one’s only half as thick.’ And it’s sitting there just looking at you. And there’s a huge change in the appearance of the ice, it goes from being clear to being not clear, having a lot of dust.”

“Paper after paper began to roll off the scientific presses from 1992 on, and just like the unfolding recognition of plate tectonics which preceded it by a few decades, it was literally riveting for all of us geologists fascinated by the Quaternary. So we get our first trap-speed: climate can switch abruptly from its cold to its warm state in just one year…..” William McClenney

“Briefly, the data indicate that cooling into the Younger Dryas occurred in a few prominent decade(s)-long steps, whereas warming at the end of it occurred primarily in one especially large step (Figure 1.2) of about 8°C in about 10 years and was accompanied by a doubling of snow accumulation in 3 years; most of the accumulation-rate change occurred in 1 year. (This matches well the change in wind-driven upwelling in the Cariaco Basin, offshore Venezuela, which occurred in 10 years or less [Hughen et al., 1996].)”

“Abrupt Climate Change – Inevitable Surprises”, Committee on Abrupt Climate Change, National Research Council of the National Academy of Sciences, 2002, ISBN: 0-309-51284-0, 244 pages, Richard B. Alley, chair


Rapid changes in sea level and associated destabilization of climate at the turbulent close of the last interglacial maximum appear to be recorded directly in the geomorphology, stratigraphy, and sedimentary structures of carbonate platform islands in the Bahamas. Considered together, the observations presented here suggest a rapid rise, short crest, and rapid fall of sea level at the close of 5e.

“The lesson from the last interglacial “greenhouse” in the Bahamas is that the closing of that interval brought sea-level changes that were rapid and extreme. This has prompted the remark that between the greenhouse and the icehouse lies a climatic “madhouse”! — Neuman and Hearty (1996)


The transition from interglacial into glacial conditions was rapid and is represented in its entirety between 26 and 23 cm. This suggests that the end of MIS5e was a relatively sudden event and not a gradual transition to colder conditions. Alkenone sea surface temperature data from the Southern Ocean record this sharp cooling at around 120 kyr BP (Ikehara et al., 1997), marine cores from the Atlantic suggest that it occurred over a period of less than 400 yr, and possibly much shorter (Adkins et al., 1997), and in Greenland the transition took as little as 70 yr (Anklin et al., 1993).

The transition into glacial conditions was a relatively sudden event. This is supported by marine and ice core records.” — Glacial Inception: the climatic ‘madhouse’


This fascinating. And I can believe it. The last winter and spring are so off the wall different than anything I’ve experienced.

Gail Combs

We are in NC and it has been a very weird winter and spring here too. Freezing temps in MAY??? We are normally in the 80s and 90s!


Same here.


Same here! We just got into the 80s in the last few days. Unheard of.

Gail Combs


From the paper Can we predict the duration of an interglacial?
I extracted the 21 June solar insolation @ 65◦ N for several glacial inceptions:

Current values are insolation = 479 W m−2

MIS 7e – insolation = 463 W m−2,
MIS 11c – insolation = 466 W m−2,
MIS 13a – insolation = 500 W m−2,
MIS 15a – insolation = 480 W m−2,
MIS 17 – insolation = 477 W m−2,

Depth of the last ice age – around 463 W m−2
NOW (modern Warm Period) 476Wm-2

This would indicate that when the solar insolation gets somewhere below 500 W m−2 other factors can tip the climate into the cold state.


To Refute the ClimAstrologists (and I have papers documenting all of this):

FIRST: The ONLY way the earth gains energy is either from the Sun or from the molten core PERIOD. All CO2 can do is possibly retard the escape of that energy to space.

SECOND: The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change gives 1.5 W/m 2 for the forcing of anthropogenic CO2 [cf., Reid, 1997].

THIRD: During the Holocene solar energy reached a summer maximum (9% higher than at present) ~11 ka ago. 9% higher is ~ 122 W/m 2 or 100 times the forcing of anthropogenic CO2.
SEE: Temperature and precipitation history of the Arctic  

FOURTH: The Holocene sealevel Highstand was ~ 1.5 meter above todays sea-level 6,000 years ago in geologically stable South Vietnam. Sea level has been DECREASING in fits and starts ever since then.

Southeast Vietnam beachrocks reveal that the mid-Holocene sea-level highstand slightly above + 1.4 m was reached between 6.7 and 5.0 ka, with a peak value close to + 1.5 m around 6.0 ka…. 

And in Antarctica…

A new Holocene sea-level record from the Vestfold Hills, Antarctica, has been obtained by dating the lacustrine–marine and marine–lacustrine transitions that occur in sediment cores from lakes which were formerly connected to the sea. From an elevation of ; 7.5 m 8000 yr ago, relative sea-level rose to a maximum ; 9 m above present sea-level 6200 yr ago. Since then, sea-level has fallen monotonically until the present….

FIFTH: Over the long term glaciers are growing.
Temperature and precipitation history of the Arctic
A new approach for reconstructing glacier variability based on lake sediments recording input from more than one glacier.

LAST The earth is near or at glacial inception and the only question is if we will bump along near inception or tip into glaciation. Global Warming, given the present Solar Insolation is off the table as a ‘threat’

 Any hope that the Holocene would go long was shot down by Lisiecki and Raymo in 2005 in their rebuttal of Loutre and Berger, 2003.

Recent research has focused on MIS 11 as a possible analog for the present interglacial [e.g., Loutre and Berger, 2003; EPICA community members, 2004] because both occur during times of low eccentricity. The LR04 age model establishes that MIS 11 spans two precession cycles, with #18O values below 3.6h for 20 kyr, from 398{418 ka.

In comparison, stages 9 and 5 remained below 3.6h for 13 and 12 kyr, respectively, and the Holocene interglacial has lasted 11 kyr so far. In the LR04 age model, the average LSR of 29 sites is the same from 398{418 ka as from 250{650 ka; consequently, stage 11 is unlikely to be artifcially stretched. However, the June 21 insolation minimum at 65N during MIS 11 is only 489 W/m2, much less pronounced than the present minimum of 474 W/m2. In addition, current insolation values are not predicted to return to the high values of late MIS 11 for another 65 kyr. We propose that this effectively precludes a \double precession-cycle” interglacial [e.g., Raymo, 1997] in the Holocene without human in influence.

Since then no one in Quaternary Science has rebutted Lisiecki and Raymo. Not a fact to give one warm fussy feelings.  

Gail Combs

That one is easy.

“They” have known since 1968. They being David Rockefeller and Maurice Strong, two of the ‘Powers that Be.’

In 1968 Mikhail Budyko came up with two mathematical models, one predicted an Ice Age, the other Global warming from the Greenhouse Effect.

In 1970, Broecker using new radioactive decay dating methods (oxygen isotopes) identified and dated five full ice age cycles in 1970. He stated his work was in agreement with Milankovitch.

 👉 𝗜𝗻 𝟭𝟵𝟳𝟭 𝗚𝗹𝗲𝗶𝘀𝘀𝗯𝗲𝗿𝗴 𝗽𝘂𝗯𝗹𝗶𝘀𝗵𝗲𝗱 “𝗧𝗵𝗲 𝗣𝗿𝗼𝗯𝗮𝗯𝗹𝗲 𝗕𝗲𝗵𝗮𝘃𝗶𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗼𝗳 𝗦𝘂𝗻𝘀𝗽𝗼𝘁 𝗖𝘆𝗰𝗹𝗲 𝟮𝟭” 𝗮𝗻𝗱 “𝗥𝗲𝘃𝗶𝘀𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗯𝗮𝗯𝗶𝗹𝗶𝘁𝘆 𝗹𝗮𝘄𝘀 𝗼𝗳 𝘀𝘂𝗻𝘀𝗽𝗼𝘁 𝘃𝗮𝗿𝗶𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝘀” 𝗶𝗻 𝟭𝟵𝟳𝟯

This is the Key Wolfie. The Gleissberg cycle is 80 to 90 years. ~1970 was the depth of the cold (end of cycle 20) so you could EXPECT 30 to 40 years of warming. AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED!!!

Back on March 7, 2006, the National Science Foundation issued a press release predicting that the amplitude of Solar Cycle 24 would be “30 to 50 percent stronger” than Solar Cycle 23. Solar Cycle 23 had a smoothed maximum amplitude of 180.3. The press release described the forecast as “unprecedented”. Perhaps it was as in unprecedentedly wrong. Solar Cycle 24 had a smoothed maximum amplitude of 116.4 in April 2014, which made it 35% weaker than Solar Cycle 23.

NASA has recycled some of the language from that 2006 press release in this release on NASA researcher Irina Kitiashvili’s forecast of Solar Cycle 25 amplitude which includes this line:

“𝗧𝗵𝗲 𝗺𝗮𝘅𝗶𝗺𝘂𝗺 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝘀 𝗻𝗲𝘅𝘁 𝗰𝘆𝗰𝗹𝗲 – 𝗺𝗲𝗮𝘀𝘂𝗿𝗲𝗱 𝗶𝗻 𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗺𝘀 𝗼𝗳 𝘀𝘂𝗻𝘀𝗽𝗼𝘁 𝗻𝘂𝗺𝗯𝗲𝗿, 𝗮 𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗻𝗱𝗮𝗿𝗱 𝗺𝗲𝗮𝘀𝘂𝗿𝗲 𝗼𝗳 𝘀𝗼𝗹𝗮𝗿 𝗮𝗰𝘁𝗶𝘃𝗶𝘁𝘆 𝗹𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗹 – 𝗰𝗼𝘂𝗹𝗱 𝗯𝗲 𝟯𝟬 𝘁𝗼 𝟱𝟬% 𝗹𝗼𝘄𝗲𝗿 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗺𝗼𝘀𝘁 𝗿𝗲𝗰𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝗼𝗻𝗲.”

This time it is 30 to 50% lower rather than higher which would put maximum smoothed amplitude in the range of 80 to 60. The graphics in Kitiashvili’s presentation differ from that. This graphic from slide nine has a peak amplitude of 50 with a range of 65 down to 40….

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In 1975 Veerabhadran Ramanathan pointed out that human-made chlorofluorocarbons (or CFCs) are particularly potent greenhouse gases, with as much as 200 times the heat-retaining capacity of carbon dioxide.”

In 1970 Maurice Strong lead the UN Conference on the Human Environment and became Executive director environment program of the United Nations from 1971 to 1975, and he chaired the 1972 Montreal Protocols reducing Chlorofluorocarbons. He sought to blame increased UV radiation on “holes in the ozone” due to CFCs, not due to increased sun spot activity.

Hanne, Strong’s wife, likes to tell the story of how in 1978, a mystic informed the Strong that “the Baca [ranch] would become the center for a new planetary order which would evolve from the economic collapse and environmental catastrophes that would sweep the globe in the years to come.”

Could the “ environmental catastrophes” be an “Ice Age” instead of “global Warming”? Bacca is sitting in “San Luis Valley in southern Colorado, known as one of the most productive agricultural areas in the West.” It is also sitting on the largest Aquifer in the USA.

Map of the last Ice Age

This is a description of the Baca area during the last Ice Age “Colder and often drier than present conditions predominated across most of the USA. The eastern deciduous and conifer forests were replaced by more open conifer woodlands with cooler-climate species of pines and a large component of spruce. The open spruce woodland and parkland extended somewhat further west than present, into what is now the prairie zone. As a result of aridity and lowering of sea level (which lowered inland water tables), much of Florida was covered by drifting sand dunes. Notably moister than present conditions occurred across much of the south-west, with open conifer woodlands and scrub common in areas that are now semi-desert. J. Adams’ reconstruction of North America during last the glacial period – 18,000-15,000 14C ya

Since 1968 we have had OSHA, EPA,the anti Nuclear hysteria, Animal Rights, the loss of the US industrial base and the locking up of US natural resources in the name of environmentalism. Note the Sierra Club and Greenpeace are UN sanctioned NGOs for the “Convention on Biodiversity”. They are also heavily financed by the Rockefellers. The Omnibus bill locked up more US resources including hydro-power from “wild and scenic rivers” We have several anti farming bills too.


Maybe [They] are doing it in order to conserve fossil fuels and other natural resources…for use later by the ‘designated survivors’.

In other words, for the ‘chosen few’.


I take issue with the assertion that one only gets a sore arm with the flu vaccine.

It is well known that older patients who take the flu vaccine also have higher rates of respiratory problems, up to and including pneumonia.

This happened to my mom several times in her last few years. She almost died from walking pneumonia one year.

But she swore by the flu vax and believed it kept her from developing a worse flu. She never had more than a head cold until she started taking the flu vax.

Of course the doctors also pushed a pneumonia vax on her, which she obliged, after several years of respiratory issues.

I am convinced the flu vax was the precursor to the covid shot. They got us accustomed to taking regular shots with it.


It’s a shitshow no matter what the ultimate and varied motives.

As you said, lies upon lies upon lies.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

So how would one differentiate between the following two scenarios?

(I’m going to make up the number.)

A genuine five percent adverse reaction rate, for a vaccine that really is given to all people who get the needle.

A fifty percent adverse reaction rate, which looks like a five percent reaction rate because 90 percent of the people who thought they were getting the vaccine actually got saline?

I bring this up because I have become irriated with some individuals’ presumption that anyone who had no reaction must have got saline. How is that justified?

(And this totally leaves aside the issue of different severity of the reaction…anything from a day long cold, sore arm, other minor stuff, to death.)

I personally know someone who got injected from the same vial as a coworker of his; the coworker was sick as a dog; he was totally unaffected. Clearly my acquaintance did not get saline yet didn’t have a severe reaction…so can we can the crap of presuming people who had no reaction “must have got saline”?

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SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I strongly suspect that most of the folks who think a lot of the vaxxes are placebos are simply arguing so to try to save their *presumption* that the vaccine is deadly. They heard a lot of bad anecdotes, decided it was deadly, and when the rate of bad reactions (i.e., dying a few days later)turned out to be relatively small (but I hasten to add, still much higher than one should desire) decided that most if not all of the people who didn’t drop dead must have got a placebo–rather than questioning their original conclusion that the vaccine was a death sentence.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Yeah, that’s going to be tricky to convey to people who don’t already see it. Their minds are starting from a different, perhaps unstated assumption than yours would be.

Some number of them might oppose for religious reasons, but don’t necessarily make religious arguments; instead they’ll latch on to some other argument that might turn out to be specious, but even if you lay out all the evidence that it’s specious, it will make no difference to those people because that’s not their actual reason for opposing the vax.

Sometimes when dealing with someone who seems irrationally wedded to something even after you debunk their arguments, it’s because their arguments aren’t the real reason they take a position; they’re just hoping you’ll be more sympathetic to the arguments than to their real reason. A different example: The most outrageously ridiculous creationists have to make up their science; when it’s explained how wrong it is, it doesn’t change their minds because those arguments aren’t at all why they don’t accept evolution; they’re just hoping the arguments will convince you..

Cuppa Covfefe

I could well say the same about evolutionists, who require a great deal of faith in order to present and defend their position.

See the work of Professor Dr. Dr. Werner Gitt, et. al.

Broad brushes and straw men…

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I made sure to specify only the most extreme creationists, i.e., those who clearly don”t understand what the theory actually says (so they erect strawmen), try (and sometimes succeed) in trapping legit laboratories into producing what looks like wildly ridiculous results to try to discredit radiometric dating (I refer to the dishonesst piece of shit who sent a known 20 year old sample to a lab that specified they could not date anything *under* two million years old, so when they got a minimum result and labeled it as 2 million years, he claimed radiometric dating was bunk. I refer to those who give a very learned sounding lecture on genetics but misuse terms in ways no educated geneticist would. They don’t understand what they are opposing, but find a ready made audience in people who WANT evolution to be wrong.



That goes both ways.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA


SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA


Well, actually, it’s true as far as it goes.

It goes all ways; there are more than two.


>>”the rate of bad reactions (i.e., dying a few days later) turned out to be relatively small”<<

The death-rate of these injections, according to the VAERS data (could be comp’d, though) far surpasses that of every other “vax”. So, in the context of ALL vaxxes, this mRNA stuff is the deadliest ever.


>>”turned out to be”<<

So the jury’s IN? I think not.

What happened to the 2yr, 3yr, and longer-term clinical trials? I believe that you’re drawing a conclusion WAY too early. We’re nowhere near having enough data to support your hasty conclusion.

But there is PLENTY of evidence that the experimental injection ISN’T for our own good. TPTB have been hawking it like drug-pushers.

Gates-from-hell caused the worst outbreak of polio in India … with his polio “vaccine”, and his HPV vax caused mass sterility in Africa.

And now, it seems that the same thing is going on with this mRNA tech, where reinfected people have much WORSE symptoms.

You’ve read the words of the Pf-eyes-er whistle-blower, yes? Where in your analysis does this fit in? Long-term effects only show up in the LONG TERM.

I could say much more, but I’d have to do so on the u-tree. I wish not to go there.

Deplorable Patriot

The people having bad reactions is NOT relatively small. We’re only seeing 1-2% of the real data. And per a Concerned Virginian post on the daily, VAERS is no longer available to the general public.

It’s all being hidden to keep the full picture from gelling in the minds of the public.

Deplorable Patriot

That’s what it soundslike

Deplorable Patriot

I’ve also seen a report – from the same source that claimed the shots were altered who has a DAMN GOOD batting average on all of this – that the shots, like the disease itself, have no effect on people with RH- blood. Among family members who had the shots, that is the case. The two RH- people, no reaction. The two RH+ people, fatigue, etc. Fortunately, both of the RH+ people are on lifetime drugs for high blood pressure and blood thinning which I would imagine made a difference.

Even when the bug itself was active, it was said RH+ people got it worse than RH-, so that must be something built in.

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presumption that anyone who had no reaction must have got saline

Of a group of about 15 people that I meet with about once a week, I am the only one who has not been vaccinated. No one in the group reports any side-effects.

BUT, sadly, a member of the group just died. He did not show up to the last meeting. Police were called to do a wellness check, and he was found deceased. He did have diabetes and some joint issues. He had gotten the vaccine probably a couple of months ago. I don’t know any more yet about his cause of death. It sounds suspiciously like reports I’ve read about people dying after getting the vaccine, but it could also have been non-vaccine-related.

But to your point about saline, I doubt that all those people, as well as those in their circles, all got saline.


Yes, PC KILLS. He was very much into the vaccines and even mentioned spike protein once, I think in the context of vaccines protecting us from them. We didn’t talk about it much because that’s not the purpose of the group and things could get heated fast.

It is obvious that people are completely sold on the vaccines. I think some of it is from a need to have someone in authority they can trust regarding their health. Recognizing that we are being lied to, and that people we want and need to be trustworthy aren’t, is a bridge too far. They are lightyears away from being able to see the global plan for population control, and that it is being implemented, now.

I had thought about the possibility that vaccinated people in this group might have symptoms down the road. It hit me like a ton of bricks when I learned of his death.

I don’t know which vaccine he got, nor exactly when. I am estimating it was probably a couple of months ago. I doubt I will be able to find out much more. Apparently he was alone with no signs of foul play. I don’t know if they do autopsies in those cases. I would be interested to know if it was a bleeding issue like a blood clot or stroke.


The only other thing I know — which is not pertinent to vaccine issues — is that he might have been dead several days or a week before being found, poor guy. But if I find out anything else, I will let you know.

Gail Combs

“….Some people – and SCIENTISTS routinely fall for this crap – get involved because they’re FLATTERED. They butter up easily, and once they’re in, they don’t like to admit that they made a mistake….”

Most scientists are NERDS and generally not ‘socially acceptable’ so yeah flatter and befriend a lonely nerd and he is yours for life!


This makes sense to me.

And it is kind of like what I think happens to new House and Senate members, and probably Supreme Court Justices, too.

They lure you in with “it’s for the common good,” get you to participate, and then you can’t tell anyone anything because YOU ARE COMPLICIT.

I have always thought there was something that happened to any new President very early on, and after that, they all looked much older, really fast. Except Trump. I think whatever they told or did to the others, he knew ahead of time, and probably laughed in their faces. He never became complicit in whatever the Big Scheme is.


Until now I thought that the various jab juice manufacturers had made their individual product and it was all different.
However A video posted by eilert today has some doctors on and at 45:10 one of them said the vaccine was made by DARPA and they’d been working on it since 2002. They handed it off to pfizer and moderna and said, “make this and vaccinate everybody”.



Deplorable Patriot

Now THAT makes more sense.


I think this post goes along with your warning to be aware of subtle influences in one’s life.


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Interesting analysis of complex maneuvering by evil people. Yes – evil. Manipulation of innocents to the point of illness and death for personal/corporate agendas is evil. Creating the problem, then creating the supposed solution is evil. Complicity of the parties in both confirms their status as evil. Evil is as evil does.

This COVID thing never passed the smell test for me just like their BS stories about bat meat transmission. That was almost as ridiculous as blaming Benghazi on a video. It was a bit over the top to suggest a modest virus was going to kill the world without it being a developed bioweapon and how else was it going to be transmitted worldwide but by the people who left China with it after exposure?They designed a virus that would cause severe distress to those who were least able to resist it if they had no access to proven therapeutics that could cure it. So Fauci and crew took care of that little problem with the help of the politicians as they are all evil doers in the nest of the master manipulators.There is zero need for vaccines for this virus. It is all contrived to make money and exert power over others.

The intent was to create anxiety and panic to help change the worldwide balance of power economically, culturally and militarily. How people individually reacted revealed their mental, emotional and spiritual states. All of us now know more about every family member, friend, employer, co-worker, etc. we came into contact with on a daily basis as a result of this. The ways many responded in this country is troubling to say the least.


Often hard to distinguish morally righteous from wickedly insidious, as the two are often the same thing.

Compare the lives of Stalin, Mao and Hitler, and ask who was morally righteous and who was wickedly insidious. Who was motivated by what, and to what degree?