DEAR MAGA: TGIF Open Thread 20230127

Cuba Libre


  • 1 ounce rum
  • 3 ounces Coca-Cola
  • Garnish: lime wedge


  1. Fill a highball glass with ice, then add rum and Coca-Cola.
  2. Garnish with a lime wedge. Squeeze the lime into your drink, if desired.

The men in my family have a weakness for that one.

Eggs Causing Blood Clots? – Exercise On Examining How Clickbait Spreads and Medical Studies Are Warped

Mexico Has Banned All Attempts to Block the Sun

German Foreign Minister Just Said The Quiet Part Out Loud On Ukraine

Steven Crowder versus Big Conservative Media?

Who Will Not Risk, Cannot Win

Forgiving the Medically Brainwashed in the Post-COVID Era

Most of them were brainwashed long before the COVID era.

Kristi Leigh: How Corporate Media Sells False Narratives

They get the 4 am talking points.

Unwinding the Long Great Society

Feds adapting AI used to silence ISIS to combat American dissent on vaccines, elections

‘Raises Serious Ethics Concerns’: House Oversight Republicans Demand Art Dealer Turn Over Info On Embattled First Son Hunter Biden’s Paintings

It’s called the provenance. All art pieces have one.


How George Soros funds ‘fact checkers’ to silence dissent

Matt Gaetz: “They Had to Accuse Trump of Colluding with Russia Because He Was the Only One Who Wasn’t”

The Church Committee, for Dummies

Federal judge suspends enforcement of new California law targeting docs that provide Covid ‘misinformation’

Eggs and weather cause blood clots; ‘stroke season’; and ‘sudden cardiac arrest’ forms for high schoolers

You’ll Feel Better After the Truck Hits You




Sen. Johnson Calls For Congress to Investigate Vaccine Manufacturers and Covid Vax Approval Process in Response to Project Veritas’ Exposé on Pfizer


Here’s Why the Big Club and People Managing Ron DeSantis Hate Donald Trump

Tweety Tweets:

Word is it’s feed from Tractor Supply.

Doing the dishes, vacuuming the floor, scrubbing the toilet…these should all be avoided lest the heart stops.

Google strikes again.

Really, Rand, please, comb the curls when you get out of the pool.

A lot of liberal men are still wearing them in these parts.

Remember this?


No argument here. Well, other than the people here and several spouses of the same.


One relative from Florida was rather puzzled by that.

I’m really not sure if that’s satire.

And now for the business portion of the post borrowed from Tuesday:

Guidelines for posting and discussion on this site were outlined by our host, WolfM00n. Please, review them from time to time.

The discourse on this site is to be CIVIL – no name calling, baiting, or threatening others here is allowed. Those who are so inclined may visit Wolf’s other sanctuary, the U-Tree, to slog it out. There is also a “rescue” thread there for members of the Tree to rendezvous if the main site goes kablooey. A third site has been added for site outages of longer duration.

This site is a celebration of the natural rights endowed to humans by our Creator as well as those enshrined in the Bill of Rights adopted in the founding documents of the United States of America. Within the limits of law, how we exercise these rights is part of the freedom of our discussion. In that spirit, though, threats of violence real or hypothetical are out of bounds.

Fellow tree dweller the late Wheatie gave us some good reminders on the basics of civility in political discourse:

  1. No food fights.
  2. No running with scissors.
  3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.

And Auntie DePat’s requests:

If you see something has not been posted, do us all a favor, and post it. Please, do not complain that it has not been done yet.

The scroll wheel on your mouse can be your friend. As mature adults, please use it here in the same manner you would in avoiding online porn.


MARK 4:26-34

26And he said, “The kingdom of God is as if a man should scatter seed upon the ground, 27and should sleep and rise night and day, and the seed should sprout and grow, he knows not how. 28The earth produces of itself, first the blade, then the ear, then the full grain in the ear. 29But when the grain is ripe, at once he puts in the sickle, because the harvest has come.” 30And he said, “With what can we compare the kingdom of God, or what parable shall we use for it? 31It is like a grain of mustard seed, which, when sown upon the ground, is the smallest of all the seeds on earth; 32yet when it is sown it grows up and becomes the greatest of all shrubs, and puts forth large branches, so that the birds of the air can make nests in its shade.” 33With many such parables he spoke the word to them, as they were able to hear it; 34he did not speak to them without a parable, but privately to his own disciples he explained everything.


Have a good weekend!

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A great collection of info and fun!

I see some wearing masks but they are almost always with their family.

Regarding the inmate who has beaten two child molesters to death in prison, I’ve seen people cheering for what he did. My question is Are we a civilized society with a rule of law? The molesters were convicted and serving time, as was right. Maybe there are details that I don’t know, but this man now has two murders on his soul and on his record. But I expect most people would say they got what they deserve.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I agree! Laws matter, and THE ENEMY has encouraged us to wish for wicked vengeance, in contradiction to the Word of our Lord. Period.


Romans 12:19
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy



Speaking to the larger point, (not specific to your prison example above), I would like to consider this question: When the Lord exacts vengeance does He use human agents or does He do it Himself? If He does use human agency how can we tell whether it is God or human vengeance?

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Valerie Curren

Excellent inquiry!


I like your question.


I imagine He uses both. How can we tell?

He commands us not to commit murder.
A man murders another with no personal provocation like self defense or defense of others (that I know of).
I do not believe God would cause someone to disobey His commandments to carry out His vengeance on an individual in an act that was not part of God’s overarching plan for mankind. This was not such an act; it was personal wrath (breaking another commandment) that resulted in murder.


Now for a trickier question: There are several accounts of God carrying out His wrath on human beings. The easiest example is probably the plagues on Egypt. Now we know from Scripture that God does indeed get angry; your quote above being an example. Is the vengeance of God merely a different way of saying the judgment of God, in other words are vengeance and judgment the same thing when speaking of God’s actions?


Good food for thought. I can only state the thoughts that enter my head; in other words, I have no authority for what I am saying except that it is something that occurs to me.

I would think vengeance is a subset of judgment. The plagues you mention were part of an ongoing series of events that were part of God’s judgment. If any one of those plagues was vengeance, then it was part of the judgment.


All we have are our opinions about God’s actions. I didn’t ask those questions because I knew the answer but because I find the discussion about God or his character and actions interesting, but they are more complex than some are willing to admit. I thought your answers were well formulated and reasonable. While these kinds of questions are academic in nature I try to always have in the front of my mind that I should not try to be God’s press secretary. There are some things I know and some I do not know. I definitely know that I am not God’s press secretary..


Well said.

bflyjesusgrl 🍊 😎MEGA MAGA GAME ON😎

Just like I’m pretty sure not a one of the various denominations has the correct doctrine. Therefore, I’m not gonna get in knock down/drag out theological arguments with my brothers and sisters in Christ. I figure as long as we all believe in Jesus, God will straighten us all out once we get to Heaven.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

 I figure as long as we all believe in Jesus, God will straighten us all out once we get to Heaven.

That is, itself, a specific doctrine.

bflyjesusgrl 🍊 😎MEGA MAGA GAME ON😎

That’s what my Bible says and I’m sticking with it!

bflyjesusgrl 🍊 😎MEGA MAGA GAME ON😎

God is not a man that he would lie. When He gives his Word, He keeps it. He won’t use men to exact vengeance which he says belongs to him. It’s possible he could dispatch His angels to do what He wants, but we aren’t privy to that info. He won’t come to earth either, except in the form of Jesus as in the past and in the 2nd coming.

Here are all the judgements, past and future that the Bible mentions. We are now in the dispensation of Grace. .

What are all the different judgments in the Bible? |

Judgments to occur in the future:

The judgments of the tribulation period (Revelation 6—16). These terrible judgments are pictured as seven seals opened, seven trumpets blown, and seven bowls poured out. God’s judgment against the wicked will leave no doubt as to His wrath against sin. Besides punishing sin, these judgments will have the effect of bringing the nation of Israel to repentance.

The judgment seat of Christ (2 Corinthians 5:10). Resurrected (and raptured) believers in heaven will be judged for their works. Sin is not in view at this judgment, as that was paid for by Christ, but only faithfulness in Christian service. Selfish works or those done with wrong motives will be burned up (the “wood, hay, and stubble” of 1 Corinthians 3:12). Works of lasting value to the Lord will survive (the “gold, silver, and precious stones”). Rewards, which the Bible calls “crowns” (Revelation 3:11) will be given by the One who is “not unjust; he will not forget your work and the love you have shown him” (Hebrews 6:10).

The judgment of the nations (Matthew 25:31–46). After the tribulation, the Lord Jesus will sit in judgment over the Gentile nations. They will be judged according to their treatment of Israel during the tribulation. This judgment is also called the judgment of the sheep and the goats because of the imagery Jesus uses in the Olivet Discourse. Those who showed faith in God by treating Israel favorably (giving them aid and comfort during the tribulation) are the “sheep” who will enter into the Millennial Kingdom. Those who followed the Antichrist’s lead and persecuted Israel are the “goats” who will be consigned to hell.

The judgment of angels (1 Corinthians 6:2–3). Paul says that Christians will judge angels. We aren’t exactly sure what this means, but the angels facing judgment would have to be the fallen angels. It seems that Satan’s hordes of demons will be judged by the redeemed ones of the Lamb. Some of these demons are already imprisoned in darkness and awaiting judgment, according to Jude 1:6, due to their leaving their proper dwelling place.

The Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11–15). This final judgment of unbelievers for their sins occurs at the end of the Millennium, before the creation of the new heaven and earth. At this judgment, unbelievers from all the ages are judged for their sins and consigned to the lake of fire.


That is why the second question about the difference between vengeance and judgment is a tricky question. There are many times and places in the Scripture where God directs or takes action on human beings. The First Testament (OT) has many examples. Whether God has used human beings to exact His judgment or vengeance on other human beings is a bit more difficult to determine. When God acts as a Judge his determinations may be classified as generally objective (someone paying for a crime). When God acts because something has angered Him subjectively, such action may be termed vengeance. So in a sense vengeance is responding to a personal affront, while judgment is enforcing a broken law.

bflyjesusgrl 🍊 😎MEGA MAGA GAME ON😎

God controls the heart of a King.
He gave them over to a reprobate mind.

We perceive what we think He’s doing but we do not know for sure….. unless you ask and He answers….or tells us later.

I personally believe there’s things we’ll never know the answers to. If there’s no more sorrow or pain in Heaven, why would He reveal to us who shot JFK, MLK, or any other burning question that the answer to would anger or upset us? Once we’re in Heaven, those things no longer matter.


As I said earlier, these questions are academic in nature and of personal interest. There is no assumption that someone might win the debate by positing the correct answer.


Ezekiel 37:3

“You know.”


God also told Pharaoh that He raised him up to display His glory…and control of the ‘situation’. And the Israelis’ freedom from the hail, darkness, etc., rather proved His point.


There is a great deal of interesting material in the God vs Pharaoh narrative in Exodus. God had serious issues with Pharaoh which come to light in the language of the passage. Scripture reminds the reader over and over that God hates (not too strong a word I would suggest) injustice and when He acts it generally does not go well for the people responsible.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

One thing I do know is that lust for vengeance in general, and extrajudicial vengeance in particular, was encouraged by cultural Marxists in Hollywood, starting in the 1970s. In many ways, this created lower expectations for legal justice, and higher expectations for violent justice, exactly as we see from the Democrat party, which now encourages sloth and corruption in legal justice, to be resolved by violence and anarchy through BLM and Antifa, often by the same agents excused from legal justice.

All of this seems to be antithetical to fundamental teachings, in general, of both the Old and New Testaments, which teach us to live according to the law, in letter and then in spirit.

The term “acts of God” used to be more clear, in them being not obviously acts of human agency. Our forgetting that seems to be both ironic and symptomatic of the problem.

The idea that specific human agency should be in accordance with the Word of God, to be considered even part of an “act of God”, seems reasonable, although at a very general and high level, the idea that crime is rewarded badly, as a teaching of God, is part of the idea that all human activity is, at some level, an “act of God”, in the sense that creation itself is an act of God.

At a high enough level, all evil must be the act of God, yet at the specific level, we claim that no particular evil is the act of God. Mao might even have observed that this is the fundamental and driving contradiction of creation, if he had been wise enough to believe in God!  😉 

As I like to say, communism is like rust – in some ways, a necessary evil. Human vengeance may be similar, and it’s not surprising that they are related.

I was just thinking about this mathematically, in that funny simple graph of “fuck around and find out”. Is something part of “fuck around”, or is it part of “find out”? Which part of that is God’s? Or is it all God’s, and we just learn His preferences?

I will simply thank God that I was given the opportunity to FAFO, and to learn to FO without FA!  😍 


“My question is Are we a civilized society with a rule of law?

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Rule of Law officially went out the window on January 20, 2021.

We can’t have organized crime running the country and have rule of law.

Brave and Free

Yes, they have no rule of law except what benefits themselves.
But we need rule of law in our life we’re responsible for our actions.


“es, they have no rule of law except what benefits themselves.
But we need rule of law in our life we’re responsible for our actions.”


The problem, of course, is that the rule of law is enforced (or not) by TCTB (the criminals that be).

When criminals are in charge, the foundations of society are upended.

Everything we know or thought we knew no longer applies.

But we continue on as if they do still apply, because it’s all we know. And TCTB are not only very pleased by that response, they were counting on it.


We can’t have organized crime running the country and have rule of law.

Actually, we can. If we don’t, then it’s anarchy, which we do not have at this time except in Atlanta.

The rule of law worked in this case. Child molesters were convicted and imprisoned.


Likely demonstrated a give a freak attitude about their crimes and were properly sent for by God for expediated action.


Just my opinion, but I think we need to be careful not to attribute our emotions to God.

Isaiah 55:8-9
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.


“Actually, we can.”


What we have is not rule of Law, it is simple tyranny, might makes right.


“If we don’t, then it’s anarchy, which we do not have at this time except in Atlanta.”


If we don’t (and we don’t), it’s not anarchy, the threat of tyrannical punishment works very well to prevent anarchy. What we have is tyranny, and we are captives. We live in an occupied nation.

But that’s unpleasant to think about, so like so many other things, many people will choose denial as a coping mechanism.

I don’t want to fight about it TT, it’s only in self-defense that I am compelled to point out reality.

The world as we know it is disintegrating. The only chance to maintain sanity is not to fool ourselves about what is happening, or what is being done to us.


I agree about the disintegration, just not that the rule of law is completely gone and that any example one could name would be an instance of “might makes right.”

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

The rule of law still functions between those who honor it, and that is the problem. The Crims have made sure it’s not applied to them, or to anybody that they say is excluded. We live under bad old European “monarchic oligarchy”. We are very close to “founding conditions”.


“I agree about the disintegration, just not that the rule of law is completely gone”


When certain people (e.g., MAGA) are held to account to the rule of Law, while the political-class and those whom they favor are not, that is not rule of Law, that is tyranny.

When the ‘proper authorities’ protect and release members of the political-class and those whom they favor, and throw the book at people like us, that is not rule of Law, that is tyranny.

Any law which does not apply equally to everyone is not a law at all, it is tyranny, the abusive power of the State to punish their ideological ‘enemies’ and reward their ideological fellow travelers.


“…and that any example one could name would be an instance of “might makes right.”


1) raid on Mar-a-Lago, no raid on Biden, Pence – same supposed ‘crime’, two completely different applications of ‘law’ – might makes right, because who had the power to stop them? Only the police and military. Whose side are they on? Demonstrably?

2) peaceful protest political prisoners from January 6th, 2021 vs. every violent BLM and anti-fa criminal who was ‘caught and released’ in less than 24 hours – might makes right, because who had the might to stop them? Only the police and military. Whose side are they on? Based on their actions (or lack thereof)?

3) lawful election winner vs. lawless election thief in chief, installed by domestic traitors and foreign adversaries – might makes right, because who had the might to stop them? Only the police and military. Whose side are they on?

Who should we believe? The excuse makers, or our own lying eyes?


“goaded him into it”. That was what I was thinking. Demonstrated no remorse in front of the wrong person. Assumes God took over from there needing to see the perp right away for final disposition.


Rule of Law? <<< Have not seen it in years.

I’d rather focus on any of the following…

  • J6 Political Prisoners.
  • FDA approving Covidiot Injections, which the FDA knows are NOT safe, NOT effective AND injure, handicap AND kill its victims.
  • ^^^ Pravda NEWS AND politicians act like Covidiot Injections are OK fine.
  • Ukraine money laundering machine, which may lead to WW III.
  • An open southern border.
  • Assault on fossil fuels.
  • Corrupt government pushing green bs that IS an outright fraud.

I still see a few with masks walking their dogs alone.


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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

TOTUS, Sippie, Bubble & Fly!


… and a very creative seal on the podium.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy



Can’t forget the blood on his hands!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

YES. Wow.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

WOW. That’s some ending.

Barb Meier

This respondent identifies the author of the video.

Here << >> it is the superb work of « Lubomir Arsov », who is currently preparing a new short film.

The one that is the source of questions is made by the French studio « Barracudas » (title: Stop Nazi Games)… I’ll let you look for a better version.


Saw this yesterday, but it’s so dark I hesitated to bring it here.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy


Love the genes you’re with. And stop lying to kids, you demons out there!


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Rumors Swirling That Progressive Wingnut Marianne Williamson Is Planning To Challenge Biden In 2024
Great headline, LOL. She was considered the attractive Dem candidate before.


I REALLY like ‘Wingnut’…Marianne is FUN!!!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I love this lady. She’s my favorite crazy person, and WAY better than Biden.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

There’s good crazy and bad crazy, and she’s the good kind. If she runs, it means one less bad person is running for President.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Elise has an interesting approach – will it work?


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Next time….. Kick that Bitch in the head.


Thanks to Stefanik . . .

But the agencies are the weed, taproot and all, not the soil.


A total waste of time and will achieve zero. You defund the agencies completely. Starting with salaries. No need for the committee.

Gail Combs

Just in case you were wondering…
Insider Reveals Salem Media Was Part of The Coordinated Gang-of-Eight Manipulation…
March 7, 2016 | Sundance 

Politics as an industry – Salem Communications [radio talk show (Hugh Hewitt), Red State (Eric Erickson), now also Twitchy (Michelle Malkin), Hot Air (McCain), NRO, Townhall, Human Events, Bearing Arms] apparently have the same general ideological world view -regarding immigration- as Rupert Murdoch and The Wall Street Journal, etc.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy


Gail Combs

Gail’s old notes strike again!  🤓 


Anyone who might be interested in that video of the Eagles at the Capital Centre (1977), the following songs from the concert are included in the History of the Eagles blu-ray:

Hotel California (6:51)
New Kid In Town (5:26)
Take It To The Limit (5:01)
One Of These Nights (3:51)
Lyin’ Eyes (6:21)
Rocky Mountain Way (7:31)
Best Of My Love (4:32)
Take It Easy (5:54)

If you were interested in a good way to hear it, I’ve done a little research into that.

You could do worse than a pair of 6-1/2 foot tall Tekton Ulfbehrt speakers:

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Except maybe make them red:

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Then add a stacked array of six REL monster subs:

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For amplifier power, you could go solid state with a Coda No. 16.0 with 100w per channel of pure class A power and maximum current of 100 amperes per channel. It’s a little heavy at 110Lb, but once it’s hooked up, you shouldn’t need to move it around a lot 😉

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Or maybe go with a nice pair of Manley 100w tube mono blocks:

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For a pre-amp, especially if you’re also going to be playing records and need a high quality built in phono pre-amp, the Shindo Masseto is supposed to sound very nice:

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Or a classic Manley Steelhead phono-pre with a line stage input so it can also be used as a pre-amp for a digital source (e.g., blu-ray player or CD player):

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An Oppo BDP-105 universal blu-ray player (or more recent model) should do fine for a blu-ray player.

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If you want to take advantage of the optional 5.1 surround track on the blu-ray, we’ll have to add a few more components.

But if stereo is all you need, then all that’s really left to do, is turn off the lights, and turn up the volume. I’m positive this music should be played loud.

Oh yeah, and a good stereo chair always helps 😁

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I would definitely like to hear those 😁


Mind you, the biggest Infinity speakers I’ve actually seen in person were…..

….but they had an odd characteristic. When played at relatively normal volumes (like the video), on a nominally 100W per channel amplifier, they would suck current like mad fiends because their impedance was so low.


The original version of this speaker had EMIM drivers (bigger rectangular ribbon speakers) instead of the little cones. As the PS Audio youtube clip noted, these tended to delaminate and fixing them was $350 each — it’s no great surprise that they went to this version very rapidly.

I would love to have a pair, if I can get one at reasonable cost someday.

Back in the day, the whole line down to bookshelf speakers had a crisp tightness that made them a joy to listen to.

They’ve been sold a number of times and I wouldn’t purchase a new Infinity speaker without listening to it carefully.


The old version with EMIMs


And a big screen TV.

I knew I was forgetting something!

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

B&W 808s each driven by a bridged NAD amp at 330 watts.


I’ve had an NAD 2200 amplifier since I was in high school, when it was featured in Stereophile or Absolute Sound.

It still works, currently hooked up to my computer, to power my old JBL 4312C speakers for yt videos 👍


Those look nice.

Of course, speakers can have some really odd peculiarities….

Remember BOSE 901’s — top and bottom shaped like home plate, very expensive “direct/reflective” speakers?

I never cared much for their performance in a room, but they were great for live music outside or in a large theater or something….but, then, one time at the University of Casual Sun-Bathing, they were completely magical.

There was a large multi-story dorm building adjacent to a dining commons. Down the hill from both was a Eucalyptus grove that screened the buildings from the campus lagoon. Someone was playing Pink Floyd at some insane volume out of his dorm windows at the Eucalyptus, and it bounced back off the leaves to the dining commons like the trees, themselves, were the source of the sound. Just an incredible effect.


I talked to Jeff Dorgay at Tone Publications once. There was a problem with their website, so I called the phone number on the website to tell somebody, and left a voicemail.

About 5 minutes later Jeff Dorgay (author of many review articles) called me back and we talked stereos for about 20 minutes 😂

Like at least a few other reviewers for music publications, he has a six-pack array of REL subs.

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That’s cool! That’s the sort of thing that made America so great.

When I first moved to Silicon Valley, people like Steve Wozniak and David Packard were in the white pages.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

The fact of the matter is I haven’t used the 808s in months. The problem is my integrated amp (obviously I pull the left and right channel out of it before the power amp stage) keeps needing reset because the damned HDMI controllers on it suck–they start randomly dropping signal for a few seconds, then it gets worse. Of course a reset means spending half an hour reconfiguring the damned thing, so at some point I just give up on surround sound and run the DVD player directly to the TV.

It’s a Denon, and it’s the second surround sound HDMI Denon unit I have had. Absolute crap reliability and I used to love that brand.

I should probably just swap the unit out for my old pre-amp but I’m not even sure the DVD player has RCA outputs! (Plus I would have to get into that preamp and clean the contacts on the volume knob–and, oh yeah, no remote control!)


I have been slowly getting into multichannel.

Not because I really wanted to, but at least for movies, it would enhance the experience. That, and after nearly 20 years of adding hybrid CD/SACD music discs and blu-ray audio discs and DVD-A discs with multi-channel capability to my collection, it would be interesting to finally hear some of them in multi-channel.

The main issues I always had were these:

1) sound effects in a movie are much less important to me than the best sound possible from a 2-channel stereo system

2) every dollar spent on extra speakers for a surround system is money that could be spent upgrading the two main speakers (or other stereo components), which is more important to me

Because stereo music was always going to be more important to me than movie surround sound effects, I could never justify spending, for example, $5,000 dollars more to add 5 more speakers for a 7.1 surround system, when I could put that $5,000 towards getting better main left & right stereo speakers (or other better quality stereo system components).

But you can get relatively inexpensive surround speakers now that sound plenty good enough for movie sound effects, and besides, I have collected enough speakers over the years at this point that I have enough to patch together a hodgepodge surround system 😁

So the next issue was powering all those speakers and making it work as intended. After some basic research, I went the Audio/Video receiver route, with a Denon x3700H.

It measures well and gets high ratings (for an AVR) at (follow the science!!! 😂 )

But then I heard about the GeerFab Audio D.BOB digital breakout box. Seemed promising.

Then I found the AudioPraise VanityPro HDMI extractor (specs here). This thing will take the HDMI audio out from an Oppo (or other universal disc player), whether SACD 2.0 or multichannel, or blu-ray audio (stereo or multi-channel), or DVD-A, etc., and send it to an external DAC.

There is a stereo version with multiple output options (AES/EBU outs, RCA S/PDIF outs, BNC outs and Toslink out), and there is an 8-channel version with only AES/EBU or only RCA S/PDIF outs.

And apparently there is no penalty for going with the multichannel version (besides losing output connector options), i.e., even if you just use the multi-channel version for stereo, there is no loss in sound quality compared to the stereo-only version, and you preserve the capability to expand for multichannel in the future.

So for redbook / CD digital, I have a CD transport connected to a stereo DAC, connected to a pre-amp, connected to my main amplifier.

But if I wanted to listen to the SACD layer of any of the hybrid CD/SACDs I have collected over the years (and a few SACD-only discs), and DVD-A discs, and blu-ray audio discs, I needed to use my Oppo to play them, and rely on the Oppo’s internal DAC, to my pre-amp, to my main amplifier.

With the Audiopraise VanityPro HDMI extractor, if I understand correctly, it should take the DSD or other digital signal from the HDMI output of the Oppo, bypass the Oppo’s internal DAC (so I would be using the Oppo for a transport only), and outputs the digital signal so you can use an external stereo DAC of your choosing.

Or up to four external DACs (two channels each) of your choosing, for a multi-channel surround system.

And there is now a high quality 8-channel DAC, called the Okto Dac8 Pro that is a perfect match for the Audiopraise VanityPro HDMI extractor’s 4 x 2 channel AES/EBU outs, into the Okto Dac8 Pro’s 4 x 2 AES / EBU inputs.

And then the Okto Dac8 Pro outputs in analog, either 2-channel blanaced (XLR) stereo, or 4 x 2-channel balanced (XLR) multichannel, or 2-channel stereo (AES/EBU), or via USB.

And thanks to Audiopraise VanityPro, the HDMI / DSD / CD digital data extractor, the digital content of any disc (blu-ray, SACD, CD, DVD, DVD-A) can now be liberated and processed externally.

And thanks to a device like the Okto Dac8 pro, you only need one device to convert up to 8 channels of multichannel input (2 main front speakers, 1 center channel, 1 subwoofer/LFE channel, two side surround speakers and two rear surround speakers, so 7.1).

Then you need to output the analog signal from the Dac8 Pro to pre-amps and out to the amplifiers.

You would need a pre-amp that can accept balanced XLR inputs from the Dac8 Pro, or use XLR to RCA converters, which it would be nice to avoid converters if possible.

If you get a pre-amp with balanced XLR inputs and outputs, an amplifier like the Benchmark AHB2 has balanced XLR inputs, so a balanced signal could be maintained from:

Audiopraise VanityPro –>
Okto Dac8 Pro –>
Pre-amp –>
Amplifier –>

And apparently DSP room-correction adjustments can be applied at some point in the signal path, if desired.

With a pre-amp used for each amplifier, you have individual control of volume level for each pair of speakers in the surround system.

And with multiple stereo amplifiers, you are getting full power with plenty of headroom for dynamic range, which is always a problem when companies try to stuff 7 or 9+ channels into a single chassis AVR.

So it is possible.

The cost of the Audiopraise VanityPro (about $1,600) and the Okto Dac8 Pro (about $1,500) is not astronomical, in the world of audio / video electronics.

I have enough old receivers and amplifiers laying around to hook up my hodgepodge of old speakers to give it shot, so I’m thinking about it.

But the real incentive, for me, is to be able to route the stereo signal from the Oppo universal disc player (for SACD, blu-ray audio or DVD-A discs) to the main stereo system and speakers, without being beholden to the internal DAC in the Oppo.

I can extract that audio-only signal through the Audiopraise VanityPro (and also send the HDMI signal out from the Audiopraise VanityPro direct to the TV for concert videos, for example) and route the signal through the external stereo DAC of my choice (or 8-channel Dac8 Pro for movies or multi-channel audio discs).

The AVR, by it’s jack-of-all trades multiple-component-in-one-box nature, is the weakest link in a stereo oriented music system, so I wanted to keep the “music system” separate from the “movie system”.

And that creates its own problems, with space (e.g., do you squeeze the TV for the movie system between the stereo speakers of the main music system, or have the movie sound system and TV at one end of the room and the stereo music system at the other), redundancy/duplication, etc.

By going with all separate components, it should be possible to integrate the music and movie systems without the movie system doing harm to the stereo system, if that makes sense.

It’s a work in progress 😉

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One of the things about assembling quality equipment in the dorms is the question of what you do when you change roommates…..

I had a top-of-the-line Onkyo integrated amplifier, and a decent Technics turntable; my roommate had a pair of Infinity speakers and a Nakamichi tape deck. When he moved on, I got a pair of Kamchatka speakers.

Or, rather, I should say I made a pair of speakers from boxes that originally contained bottles of Kamchatka vodka.

I taped the crap out of the seams and got a pair of car stereo speakers from the swap meet. I cut holes in the box where the distances to each wall were not multiples (to avoid standing waves), reinforced the edges of the holes, stuffed the innards full of aquarium filter fiber, then mounted the speakers in the boxes. The pair were mirror images of each other.

For what they were, they sounded surprisingly good. I actually liked their sound better than some Yamaha speakers I’d heard. I used ’em for a couple of years before I could buy my own quality speakers.

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Those B&W 808s are bigger than I thought!

I would love to hear them 👍

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I remember the first time I saw pictures of them, I shrugged, just another box speaker. But the picture made them look tiny.

They are in fact about four feet tall and I can lean against one without budging it.

I bought mine used…for 1500 bucks. I almost tore the pocket off my pants reaching for my wallet. They were 8000 bucks new, roughly in 1980.

I’ve heard of people trading up to much more expensive speakers from these, and regretting it.


HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! What…no SCREEN? Looks a bit vintage. Just music?

Monster woofers? They should be on the floor. Or am I just off?


It’s just a photo I found online, when I searched for B&W 808 speakers. Looks like an unfinished room in the photo.

Could be a strictly music system, but the low equipment rack would certainly allow for a TV or projection screen to be above the rack and between the speakers.

The ‘monster’ woofers I was referring to in my earlier post are the Model No. 32 subwoofers by REL:

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They are $10k each, weight about 200 Lbs. each, each with a 15″ woofer and an internal 1,000w amplifier.

They can be used singly (on the floor), or as a stereo pair (two on the floor).

But they are also designed with stacking in mind. The ‘feet’ are more like wide rails, with some sort of soft but durable material on the bottom, so when you stack one on top of another, they do not mar the multi-coat piano black lacquer finish.

The smaller models are secured to each other with a metal strap in the back, to prevent sliding due to vibration. The 200 Lb. model No. 32s are heavy enough to not need the metal strap connection reinforcement.

The signal from the amplifier only goes to the bottom subwoofer. Then as each subwoofer is stacked upon the other, it is connected to the one below it, in a daisy-chain manner.

Comes with all the connection possibilities you could want: High Level Neutrik Speakon, Low Level stereo RCA and XLR, LFE RCA, LFE XLR

The “high level” connection is recommended for listening to music. The “speakon” connector (more often found in professional audio equipment) connects with regular speaker wires at the amplifier, to the same binding posts as the main speakers. The subwoofers don’t use any of the main system’s amplifier power, just the signal, so that the subs are receiving the identical signal as the main speakers, without going through any outboard processing.

Blurb from the REL website:

“No.32’s 1,000-watt amplifier was also used in its predecessor for over seven years. Thousands of these amplifiers are in use all over the world; they are a paragon of reliability. Its implementation in No.32 combines a new limiter with a much wider envelope to permit the widest dynamic swings possible. Also, No.32’s dual parametric EQs allow for robust and flat response in the lowest ranges, extending below 20 Hz. When its second EQ is set to frequencies above the crossover point, No.32 meshes perfectly with the main speakers while simultaneously reducing room-based resonances.”

It also comes with a remote control, so all adjustments can be made from the listening position:

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In addition to being able to individually control the frequency range covered by each subwoofer in a stack of three, to blend in seamlessly with the main speakers, there is another reason to stack the subwoofers in order to elevate the upper four (two per side) from floor level.

When we experience live music, the bass isn’t only on the floor, it’s all around us, including at ear level, and considering the concert stage is often above us (or the stack of Marshall amps are above the audience), there is plenty of bass energy at the venue that is nowhere near the floor.

By stacking subwoofers, as part of a system intentionally designed to work together, you are that much closer to replicating the live experience.

I read lots of professional and personal reviews for all kinds of stereo equipment, and it usually takes a lot of reading between the lines, because in most cases, reviewers don’t want to say a component is horrible.

But when the reviewer says it made such a dramatic and positive difference in his reference system that he couldn’t live without it when it was switched off (or removed) from the system, so he bought the review component(s), that’s when you know they mean it 😁

There are multiple professional reviewers who were not willing to let these things go, once they heard them in their stereo system.

They have access to the best equipment in the world, and review such components for a living. They test and personally evaluate more equipment than I will ever be able to do. So the stuff they like enough to buy and make a permanent part of their own system is something worth considering.

I don’t expect to ever have the Model No. 32s. Even used at half price, they would still be $5k apiece. And they’re HUGE, you need a lot of space for them, and you have to have a room big enough to not be overwhelmed by the output.

But REL also makes smaller versions that are designed to be stacked, starting with the REL S/510 (10″ woofer) at MSRP of $2,749 or around $1,400 used if you’re patient, or less if you are buying multiple units.

As mentioned in one of the videos I posted above, you can start with one, or better yet two, and then add more as desired. The connectivity is designed into the component 🙂

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Don’t get mad at me though, if it turns out to be a slippery slope… and a few weeks later you have six of these things stacked in your family room 😂

Just enjoy the music 👍😁


I was horrified at the 5″ thick grey acoustic foam or whatever it is on the wall in my brother’s sound sweetening studio at either Laser Pacific or Technicolor. Both studios actually!

Completely necessary, but butt-ugly!


The grey foam looks like grey drab egg crate interiors…

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Yes, ye olden acoustic foam 👍

Not easy to make that look good in a normal living space 😁


The cat might mistake this for a Rumba, with no scale on the size! LOLOL!!!


PS The room looks finished but absolutely no sound absorption!

Wonderful wood floor. Lovely classic tables on either side, and great moldings! Could be a marketing photo, IMHO.


My mistake, I thought you were referring to this picture!

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“Could be a marketing photo, IMHO.”

It is, it’s from the REL company website 👍


Also, not sure how large you would want your windows to be with those two beasts in the room!!!!! HA!


Glass is not good from an acoustic standpoint, and then there is the ‘rattle’ potential.

My understanding is that if you get a serious subwoofer set-up like discussed above, one of the things you have to do is track down every rattle caused by the subs, and fix or otherwise silence the rattle 😁

Rattling windows, vibrating stuff on a knickknack shelf, vibrating lamps, picture frames vibrating against the wall, you name it 👍


The funny thing about 5.1 surround sound [ ] is that it explicitly calls out the subwoofer as being for non-directional “low-frequency effects” [ ] felt by the body — not actual sound heard by the ears.

While the Tekton Ulfbehrts have a subwoofer (it’s the little stack of woofers on the left of center in the white picture), it’s arguable that the Infinity speakers in the video below wouldn’t need one because they’d just drive their paired bass drivers that low — 1,000W per driver should be plenty.


The Ulfbehrt model is just the tall main speakers, the subwoofer shown in the photo is called the 4-10 sub (4 x 10″ woofers).

The stacked array of REL subwoofers are the new Reference No. 32 model, with a 15″ carbon fiber woofer and a 4″ throw / stroke, powered by an internal 1,000 watt amplifier, and weighs 200Lbs.

Times six 😂


But you don’t need them in pairs. Instead, you’d be better off putting the red pair of Ulfbehrts behind you and the white pair in front, and hiding the 4-10 sub under your couch.


The idea (as I understand it) behind the six-pack array is that first, it helps to have more than one subwoofer to eliminate standing waves.

So you start with a pair.

One of the frequent problems with subs, when it comes to a stereo music system (as opposed to a multichannel system for movies), is integrating the subs seamlessly with the main left and right speakers.

The REL sub connects to the same binding posts on your amplifier that your speakers connect to. They also have LFE connections for an audio/video receiver, but for best sound with music, the connection is direct to the amplifier.

Then each sub is connected to each other in each stack, daisy-chain, with a speakon-connector.

So you start with a REL sub to the outside of each main speaker, and the bottom sub covers the lowest frequencies.

The middle subs cover a little higher frequency.

The 3rd or top sub in the stack covers the frequency were it crosses over to the main speakers.

So you don’t have a single (or stereo pair) sub trying to cover from say 10-15Hz up to 40Hz (for example). When you give each sub a smaller frequency range to cover, it can blend in with the main speakers better.

And the carbon fiber woofer is light enough to be fast enough to not lag behind the main speakers.

That’s the basic idea, anyway.

The owner of REL explains it better, of course:


This one is more in depth, a 30 minute set-up video:


I have to admit, the thought of discovering a 20 Hz dinosaur stomp six inches under one’s butt had me chortling.


Some day, when I get to someplace I can build my dream workshop, I have a pair of original Altec-Lansing “Voice of the Theater” speakers that I need to rebuild. I inherited them from my grandfather, and he likely managed the production line that built them the first time. The crossovers probably qualify as toxic waste, and the woofer cones are 70-year-old paper, so this is likely to be a project. The piezo horn tweeters, however, will probably survive well past the time we evolve to Morlocks and Eloi.


When my grandfather first was assigned to manage the speaker production line, he could tell that everyone on it was rolling their eyes. Yet another junior management candidate that didn’t know dick and was going to take credit for everything good and blame them for everything that went wrong.

So he went out and watched ’em for a few days. Then, one at a time, he called ’em in for a short talk — he introduced himself and said he’d been watching how skillfully they worked. He asked if there were one small change that would make their jobs easier, what would it be? Then he’d continue to the next guy.

When he was done, he watched ’em for a couple of days….and little things started changing. Instead of the guy that got the driver charts walking back to the office to staple them to the work order, a stapler magically appeared next to his worktable. In places where the date of assembly was supposed to be written, a rubber stamp showed up. Instead of a pallet of woofers and tweeters showing up to position #1 on the assembly line, a half-pallet of tweeters would show up to position #2 and a half-pallet of woofers would show up in position #7. A workstation would move six inches overnight so that things could move through the area more smoothly…..

About a month later, he called each of ’em in and asked how things were going and whether their jobs had improved. Again, he asked “what small change could make their jobs easier?” As he repeated his method, he’d also branch out into related areas — asking the shipping guys how delivery of the assembled speakers would help them; asking the production control guys how he could get valid work orders quicker and easier.

After six months, he reported to higher management that his guys had improved productivity by 10%. Expecting that he’d be exalting himself, he was pressed to blow his horn about his success…..and said, “no, no, it’s my guys’ success — all I did was fetch ’em staplers and such.”

Valerie Curren

What a great management style!!!

Gail Combs

THAT is how a manager is SUPPOSED to work. Get the crap out of the way so the workers can do the job.


Regarding amps — ever hear the story of how Phase Linear was started on a bet?

Valerie Curren

Do tell!


No, I have not heard about that.


Short version — a couple of electrical engineers/stereo guys were hanging out one day, complaining about the price of their hobby. One said to the other, “these prices are insane, I could make a 100W x 2 amplifier for $200.” He got the reply, “wanna bet?”

And, a few months later, the original Phase Linear product (a 100W x2 power amplifier) hit the market.

I believe that the engineer that designed the thing was Bob Carver, who soon went on to other things….


I have an old Carver TFM-55 Magnetic Field Amplifier and Carver Sonic Holography CT-3 pre-amp 👍

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Wow. I thought I lived in a junkyard.

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On the plus side (for him) he’s unlikely to lose one of those under a couch cushion, unlike raspberries.


“Wow. I thought I lived in a junkyard.”


That junk is going for over $1,200 on eBay 😲

And that’s just for the amplifier!

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Valerie Curren

had to send a link to your sound porn comment to Hubby; hope he stops by 😉


OK what’s the payday on that collection? Just a ballpark will do.

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Going by memory:

Ulfbehrt speakers around $9k new, half for used

The flagship model No. 32 REL subwoofers pictured above are $10k each, and should be around half that much used once they’ve been around for a while. Shipping is a big problem though. They have to go on a pallet, and it’s expensive.

There are smaller models, like the REL Carbon Special (12″ woofer) that are designed for a stacked array, that are about 85 Lbs. each and around $4,300 new or around $3k each used.

Coda 16.0 amplifier around $15k new, around half for used if you can find one

Manley Snapper mono blocks around $10k new, about half for used

Shindo Masseto pre-amp I think is around $15k new, about half for used when you can find one

The Manley Steelhead phono-pre amp came out about 22 years ago and is still Manley’s top phono pre-amp, is about $10k now (new), or around $4,500 used

Oppo stopped making universal disc players (they play CD, SACD, DVD, DVD-A, blu-ray, and the last models added 4K UHD capability), and no other company stepped in to fill the gap of covering all of those formats and with the same connectivity options, so the final top-end model (Oppo UDP-205) has gone up in price from around $1,250 new (IIRC) to around $5k for a still new-in-the-box unit, or a little less for used.

But an earlier model like a Oppo BDP-105 will do fine for everything except 4K movie playback, and you can get a decent quality 4K blu-ray player for a few hundred dollars, the downside is that it takes up another spot in your equipment rack.

A used Oppo BDP-105 can be had for around $800.

So if all new components were purchased new, if I did the math correctly, it would be around $105k (including the Coda 16.0 and Shindo Masseto) or around $95k with the Manley tube mono blocks and Steelhead phono-pre. $60k of the cost is the six subs.

Used would be around half that much.

If you substituted REL Carbon Special subs for the top-of-the-line No. 32s above, and get them used for around $3k each, the total drops to around $32k.

And if you are patient, only adding individual components over the course of a year or so, when good used deals come available, you should be able to shave another 25% of that off, including not paying sales tax when buying used from other private owners, so maybe $24k would get you there.

Of course there are many other great components out there, including some ‘giant killers’ for less money that compete with far more expensive equipment.

The more one has available to spend, the easier it is to put together a great sounding system, but one of the fun challenges that is regularly discussed on the music forums is how to put together the best sounding system for under $10k, or under $5k, or under $3k, etc.

There is a lot of bang-for-the-buck available in used equipment for not too much money at the lower cost end of the spectrum, because there is so much competition.

So with a little research and guidance from people with experience on the forums, a really nice sounding system is very much doable without spending a lot of money 👍

Valerie Curren

how to put together the best sounding system for under $10k, or under $5k, or under $3k, etc.”

by all means pass such info along!!!


“Start with liquor boxes….”

Valerie Curren

Thx 🙂 We Already have a decent (for us) surround sound system & Hubby is big-time into sound, being a musician. I’m just (perpetually) curious & want to share the info with him in case he feels like tweaking anything 🙂


Once upon a time, I could go on and on about signal path and amplifier types, acoustics and resonances, and so on. Today, my advice would be to take everything to digital as quickly as possible, and not put it back to analog until you have to. Do all your EQ, mixing, and effects 100% digital. Master a CD without ever going analog.

Use the best A->D interfaces you can affordably get for your purposes. Once in the digital domain, you no longer have to worry about cables and power limits and cabinet shapes and rooms….until you let it back out.

Valerie Curren

Thx for your insights!


Once you can get things into a DAW (Digital Audio Workstation), you can put things anywhere in a surround mix, you can change the size and shape of the “hall” you recorded in (including famous ones, like those at Abbey Road), you can synchronize parts so that they not only “pluck” together, but their waveforms all come off the pluck positively sync’d….

Even the name-brand DAW software isn’t too horrible in price, but you can also get quite capable software for free ( ).

Some of the DAW plugins can be effects — like reverb — or entire instruments. And none of them degrade the sound, hiss, hum, roll-off, or go muddy…..unless intended.

Valerie Curren

Thx, this is useful if Hubby’s band moves into recording, which is still a ways off!


Why would you be looking at surround sound if it weren’t recorded? Wouldn’t you be more focused on concert sound (which is not the same)?

Valerie Curren

Well as I said we already Have surround sound & have had it for years. We use it for music AND movies. We haven’t done much with recording for some years now…


Buy wholesale.

Valerie Curren

or used, like through Craig’s List


This looks like my brother’s place. For decades. Also, Father’s theater.


I like the little blue guy there with the yellow teeth.


Heh. Such things are sometimes complete serendipity.



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No release date yet, but Cool Hand Luke should be out on 4K UHD this year 👍 😁


Car Wash 🙂

Great movie.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Trump on schools!!! Sounds GREAT!!!

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Wonder if it was an attempt to discredit PV, either the Pfizer Teams organizational chart being hacked and altered, or pfizer themselves being in on it.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

IMO it’s (1) Webb not knowing what he’s talking about, and (2) very likely somebody is using Webb to dump chaff.


AND logic!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I only had to listen to 30 seconds to know that Webb is not following the story correctly.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Webb’s blind spot is that he ONLY sees things from the viewpoint of his own long and convoluted theories, which are VALID but only part of the truth.

That image of the cylinder viewed from two directions? That’s Webb. He always sees things a certain way that nobody else does. All true, but he misses a lot.

Webb didn’t realize that this dude being a bit of a lightweight is exactly why he dumped this stuff – and he is NOT a whistleblower – he’s a chump who blabbed.

Webb didn’t see that this guy was talking about things he’s basically overheard, that are potential things going FORWARD – not stuff they’ve done, although you never know.

Nope. PV does different work from Webb. I’m good with what has been found. We got some loose lips letting us know what is being talked about in Pfizer, and it is enough to rain some government control on them, IMO.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Webb has low mainstream credibility, but he has higher credibility on our side. That said, a lot of people feel like he theories are spaghetti-like! 😉

Gail Combs

Webb is NOT credible…

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

He has been right about some GREAT stuff – and long before anybody else.


It seems very obvious to me tonight that the Project Veritas, Pelosi tapes are being smothered by a LOT of media, both local and national by the Memphis tapes. Why all happening on a Friday night?


To ask the question is to answer it.


Sublime, cthulhu.

Tired of seeing strings. Tried tonight to watch Jessie Watters, Tucker, local news for weather (could only STAND the weather…2 minutes), then had a great time watching ‘How America Works’ with Mike Rowe. Yes, best series in a long time! Better!


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Wolf Moon
Thank you, a terrific twitter thread.
One finds it interesting that the paper in appears to confirm that the Moderna COVID-19 “vaccine”, mRNA-1273, because of the very large load of spike protein per injection, creates the IgG4 class switch faster than the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 “vaccine”, BNT162b2. However, both “vaccines” eventually (the BNT162b2 apparently after repeated “booster shots”) eventually do real damage to the IgG3 “clear it out” immune cells.
However, the paper (likely due to the focus on the IgG3 / IgG4 class switch) does not discuss the fact that the AZD1222 (AstraZeneca, CoviShield) COVID-19 “vaccine” mentioned in said paper is formulated much like the Johnson & Johnson (Janssen) COVID-19 “vaccine” — with the corresponding potential for “vaccine”-induced thrombosis and thrombocytopenia syndrome.


Wolf, thank you for staying the course on this.

As my one virologist friend keeps repeating to me, “It was never a good idea to create a synthetic spike protein to enter the nucleus of every human cell.”

I will continually stand my ground about this. Malone knew what he was doing.

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AAAAUUURRRGGGHHH! But she doesn’t understand! It’s not Malone! The latest paper PROVES IT. It’s not even the mRNA technology, apart from the protein it produces. And THAT is more BILL GATES and CHINA’S fault than anybody else.

It’s because of a PROTEIN. It’s because of a protein that has a very specific KEY that lets it into the nucleus. A key that was in the plans CHINA sent. THIS one spike protein. None of the other coronavirus spike proteins has the key. Which not only gets in the nucleus, but carts its own mRNA along with itself, after associating with the mRNA. THAT part is mind-blowing. That’s too smart by half. I’m not sure humans did that.

And I think that Bill Gates KNEW this. I think he KNEW that the spike would get into the nucleus.

This thing is a WEAPON that creates its own key and shopping cart for getting the weapon into the nucleus.

It’s really fucking ingenious, and I would suspect ALIENS even more than the Chinese, if I knew that they had dumped this stuff into the atmosphere, and it got into a bat cave somehow.

Is this chick friend of yours actually a virologist? Doesn’t she get it? I’m not a virologist and I get it. Why does she not understand? The whole advantage of using mRNA is that it doesn’t go into the nucleus – UNLESS IT’S SUBVERTED by another technology – which the spike protein output HAS! It’s born with a key to the nucleus! It’s the PROTEIN SEQUENCE – not the mRNA tech.

Show her THIS PAPER. Tell her to figure it out. Tell her – don’t just read the abstract – read the whole damn thing.

The new research shows WHY it goes in the nucleus – and it’s NOT because of mRNA – it’s because of the SPIKE PROTEIN – which Malone tried to STOP.

What is her deal with blaming Malone? It’s like blaming Marie Curie for Hiroshima.

SOMEBODY wanted a key into the nucleus – a “hook” – a TRICK – a protein that could shepherd its own RNA into the nucleus. They then ABUSED Malone’s tech, and it ONLY got into the nucleus because of something ELSE.

It is freaking PROFOUND.

To me, this shows that it was a weapon. Malone discovered a basic technology. THIS used the Malone technology to create the weapon in vivo, plus other technology in the PLANS of the protein, to get access to the nucleus.

Somebody EVOLVED that spike protein to not only open the nucleus, but to carry its RNA in with it. That’s some BOLD stuff. And it was done secretly.

Something is going on here.

Blaming Malone is a DIVERSION – and that’s why they’re doing it. I think CIA knew what was happening here, and their boy Stew was used to stir up antipathy against Malone.

Yeah, the mRNA tech is probably “immature” as Malone says. But the nucleus stuff – THAT was designed into this spike protein, IMO.

The PLAN they followed is becoming clear. It’s SO SMART and SO EVIL.

Valerie Curren

This comment is so insightful that you should add it into Saturday’s conversation so that more will see it!!!

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I really need to do a post!!!


It should be relatively straightforward to map CTL-ALT-I (or something) to where it hits the reply button, says, “I really need to do a post!!!”, and posts it.

Think of all the time you’d save!

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Oh, man. SIGH. Yeah.


To put this in perspective, we were all worried about your health not too long ago.

Be pickier about your overcommitments. We can handle it, and the world can wait. We don’t want you having a relapse.

Valerie Curren


Valerie Curren

Awesome–Thank you!!!


Malone got all upset when they were all arguing about money and patents. We need to dive more.

I am responding after your next post, so let’s keep diving. TY, Wolf, will send this along.

And yes, a lab head for a HUGE pharma co., fired for not taking the shot.

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Sorry to get snippy, but the science blame needs to hit the real target – that being the people who thought up this weapon.

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I’ve put up a post about this all. You may like it.


Just read! I hope all are aware that I do not receive notifications of any responses. Not quite sure why, except I cannot have a million emails in my inbox. Therefore, I try not to comment too much.

Hugs and kisses, Wolf!


EU approves bugs in food….even pizza.


It will be interesting to see if the public is willing to put bugs in their mouths and eat them.

I can’t even begin to imagine that happening, but we’ll see.

Maybe I’m completely out of touch with the average human at this point.

Personally, I suspect cannibalism is an easier sell, but if people actually eat bugs, that will be an indication of just how far gone the patient really is.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I am sure the public is willing to eat bugs…provided they don’t know they’re eating bugs.


“I am sure the public is willing to eat bugs…provided they don’t know they’re eating bugs.”


Well let’s think about that for a moment.

Companies list ingredients obsessively, and apparently a significant percentage of the population today is allergic to just about everything.

Hard to imagine that BUGS would be exempt from allergy considerations, let alone the psychological harm that would be done to people who found out after the fact that they’ve been fed BUGS by deception.

And the righteous retribution which should follow.


Bugs carry parasites. I had a parasite from Egypt. Sick with a102 fever for about 6 months.

Will hold out for stalking steak in my nearest farmer’s field.

Valerie Curren

There’s a Netflix show, The Great British Baking Show, & in one of the recent seasons one of the contestants made something like Cricket cookies with the full body of a cricket baked within. The middle aged female judge, Prue something, who is billed as “posh”, gladly ate the cookie & raved about it. It struck me as Extremely Bizarre. Yuck!


“We’re about to have mass produced insects put into our food.'”


Need to know exactly which companies are putting bugs in food, and exactly what other (non-bug) food they make, because not only is cross-contamination possible, it’s certain and eventually it will be intentional.

Like crack dealers cutting their product with baby powder, substituting bugs for other ingredients will be a cost-saving measure.

So if any big name food producer adds bugs to even one product, that eliminates everything they sell as a consideration for me.

Same with restaurants.

If you sell cricket & cockroach burgers, I want nothing that comes out of your restaurant. It’s so disgusting, they should have better luck selling human excrement burgers.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

That last culinary item should be reserved for those who voted for RINO McDaniel.


They probably had a shit-sandwich buffet in the lobby.

Gail Combs

Crickets carry parasites that will infect humans.

I can not copy and paste the section…

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Why does that NOT surprise me?


I think everyone needs Ivermectin after consuming Crickets  😂 


Yup. Was just about to post, folks really need a IVM stash. This spring, I’ll be increasing mine.




I was able to screen capture it before it grays out and asks me to disable my ad-blocker. The screen capture got all of it except one graphic in the middle:

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Well that’s not very useful… 😂


Trying again:

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From the article: “According to the North American Coalition for Insect Agriculture (NACIA)…”


Well there’s an unbiased source.

Next up, the National Association of Hookers & Pimps (NAoH&P) will tell us that prostitution is good for the soul 👍


“…crickets as human food are high in proein and can be prepared by cooking or by being ground into flour. The flour becomes a high protein ingredient in various food such as tortlilla chips and protein bars.”


And there you have it.

Cutting their flour like a drug dealer cuts his stash with some cheap ingredient.

They can grind up insects and put them in anything, and how will we ever know?

Thanks for today’s dose of psychological horror, globo-homos. I will of course make a note, and remember it at your sentencing hearing 👍

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Valerie Curren

I’m reading this section while simultaneously watching CSI Miami & the deceased had some specialty dish of Columbian ants in her stomach contents. A “high end dish”–talk about extremely gross 🙁

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Huge news in COVID world.

Here is the paper.

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Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) causes severe pathophysiology in vulnerable older populations and appears to be highly pathogenic and more transmissible than other coronaviruses. The spike (S) protein appears to be a major pathogenic factor that contributes to the unique pathogenesis of SARS-CoV-2. Although the S protein is a surface transmembrane type 1 glycoprotein, it has been predicted to be translocated into the nucleus due to the novel nuclear localization signal (NLS) “PRRARSV,” which is absent from the S protein of other coronaviruses. Indeed, S proteins translocate into the nucleus in SARS-CoV-2-infected cells. S mRNAs also translocate into the nucleus. S mRNA colocalizes with S protein, aiding the nuclear translocation of S mRNA. While nuclear translocation of nucleoprotein (N) has been shown in many coronaviruses, the nuclear translocation of both S mRNA and S protein reveals a novel feature of SARS-CoV-2.

NOTES (Wolf) – will refer to this as the Mehedi paper.

Nuclear translocation of spike mRNA and protein is a novel feature of SARS-CoV-2

Sarah Sattar1†, Juraj Kabat2†, Kailey Jerome1, Friederike Feldmann3, Kristina Bailey4 and Masfique Mehedi1*†

1 Department of Biomedical Sciences, University of North Dakota School of Medicine and Health Sciences, Grand Forks, ND, United States

2 Biological Imaging Section, Research Technology Branch, National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD, United States

3 Division of Intramural Research, National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, National Institutes of Health, Hamilton, MT, United States

4 Department of Internal Medicine, Pulmonary, Critical Care, and Sleep and Allergy, University of Nebraska Medical Center, Omaha, NE, United States

Author contributions

MM conceived the project and designed all the experiments, analyzed (in silico) the viral genome and protein sequences, and prepared the figures and wrote and edited the manuscript. KB provided the primary cells. FF performed the viral infection work. KJ, SS, and MM performed all staining for detection. MM and SS generated the microscopic images. JK and MM processed and quantified images. All authors contributed to the article and approved the submitted version.


This struck me as the Nebraska, Montana, and North Dakota branches of the NIH not wanting to share the gallows with the East Coast branches.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yeah, there may be something to that.

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Would LOVE to hear Li-Meng Yan’s take on this!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Gave her a tip!


Wolf Moon
Thank you so much for getting the Mehedi paper out into twitter world. IMO, it is huge on several fronts.
One: Is the PRRARSV signal a result of the experiments at the Wuhan lab and the UNC lab in creating SARS-CoV-2?
Two: Since this signal is part of the original Wuhan Hu1 spike protein, does this mean that it also appears in all COVID-19 “vaccines” except for whole inactivated ones (like Covaxin)?
Three, assuming that Two is correct: Do the lipid nanoparticles used in the COVID-19 “vaccines” like BNT162b (Pfizer-BioNTech/COMIRNATY) and mRNA-1273 (Moderna) help in the spike-assisted mRNA translocation in “vaccinated” persons?

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yes! Lots of big questions! I’m myself wondering if this both (1) indicts Bill Gates funding all those full spike protein vaccines, or (2) if this now offers a route to better vaccines that ARE actually safer than the disease, at a level where cost-benefit works, or if the RBD is so problematic that vaccines are simply not workable for this virus.


“or (2) if this now offers a route to better vaccines that ARE actually safer than the disease, at a level where cost-benefit works,”


In the unlikely event that this is the case, who could we rely on or trust to make them?

It can’t be anyone involved in the current and ongoing genocide, so that would seem to mean creating a parallel ‘medical industrial complex’…

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yup. One with OPEN COMMS that anybody in the world could watch on – say – Twitter or WordPress.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Frankly, the admission sounded pretty weak, but I’ll take Malhotra’s word for it.


Auditioning for Babylon Bee.

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