“We do not believe any group of men adequate enough or wise enough to operate without scrutiny or without criticism. We know that the only way to avoid error is to detect it, that the only way to detect it is to be free to inquire. We know that in secrecy error undetected will flourish and subvert.” –J. Robert Oppenheimer
This intermittently re-posted open thread is VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA world. We ask that people NOT duplicate material posted to the Treehouse open threads, unless it’s REALLY IMPORTANT. We expect things that are more relevant to the Q community to show up here.
Say what you want, comment on what other people said, comment on people’s comments. Keep it civil. Treehouse rules, but expect lots of QAnon.
W
Upon the advice of Wheatietoo and Plain Jane, Wolf Moon made me, James Coburn, the site mascot. You may see a lot of me!
The featured image in this article shows precisely WHY I refused to dissociate myself from the Treehouse. It is also my challenge to each and every person who posts here, to listen to Q, and listen to Sundance, and NOT to voices of division.
This conversation is exemplary. Let’s look at it in full. The thread appears to now be locked – a good idea.
Let me start by saying I mean no disrespect to those individuals who enjoy the riddles posted by an unknown entity who writes under the nom de plume “Q”. However, the time has come where aspects within the well promoted “Q narrative” are now a risk and must be addressed. Please bear with me…. The baseline – In the aggregate the “Q narrative” has been: there’s a coordinated effort by President Trump and officials to expose, and confront, corrupt entities within the “deep state.” The essential element within the narrative, as pushed by the “Q” entity, is that President Trump is aware of, and coordinating, some larger plan.
Hopefully that brief baseline summary is not controversial, and most would agree that’s been the structural and purposeful intent of the overall message.
Structurally, and factually, this claim is false. However, that’s not the problem. Within this theory, that seems to have garnered a considerable following, there is now a danger to the office of the president; and however well-intentioned the theory initially might have been, it urgently needs to stop being spread.
As you have seen recently, yesterday, President Trump is forcefully repeating that he has not had any contact with current Acting Attorney General Matt Whitaker. Part of the reason President Trump has to do this is because this false narrative, the “Q Theory”, has been drum-beaten by well-intentioned supporters. Many of those supporters, genuinely good people, have believed this coordinated theory. However, it is false.
Conversely, all of President Trump’s opposition is trying to attach President Trump to the actions and intents of his new Acting Attorney General. The false “Q” narrative helps them.
Currently the Trump opposition, writ large, would love nothing more than to frame the President over taking executive action that puts the Mueller investigation at risk; and thereby attaches him to some form of obstruction. If people keep pushing the “Q theory” of President Trump orchestrating moves; that narrative is adverse to his actual interests.
That false narrative actually impedes Whitaker from diminishing Mueller as a sword of Damocles over the office of the president.
The opposition to the office of the president desire to have the office of Attorney General in a position of compromise, and subsequent recusal. This was the reason why there was such a push by that same opposition to force the recusal of AG Jeff Sessions; whereby the DOJ is then hamstrung in the ability of the AG to defend the executive.
So long as opposition can rely on, and manipulate, embed (and likely corrupt) DOJ and FBI officials toward their goals, things are in their favor. If the opposition can no longer work around the AG, their efforts at removing President Trump are more difficult.
If the AAG is both: (A) independent from the White House; and (B) simultaneously looking out for the genuine interests of the executive [note: not mutually exclusive] and confronting historic corrupt behavior, those within the entrenched DC system have a much harder time trying to frame the President out of office.
President Trump’s political and administrative opposition didn’t care about the “Q narrative” (which is false), because it was of no consequence for a bunch of people to mistakenly think that President Trump and Jeff Sessions were coordinating (they weren’t) an effort against the deep state (never happening) while they had the AG recused. However, with a fully empowered AG that same message (which is false) will be leveraged to oppose any adverse action by Matthew Whitaker; and demand his recusal.
Can you see how the dynamic shifts?
Does that make sense?
This is how the “Q Narrative” now becomes a liability.
I’ve not been confrontational to the game of the “Q riddles” until recently. To each his own; and most of the stuff is harmless and the community seems to have fun with it. However, once I saw what was predictably going to happen; and strongly sensing Sessions was about to get dispatched; and against a mountain of research, and suspicions, I have gone through about a genuine network of information; I saw the warning signs and began trying to stop the spread of the “Q” virus – at least on this website.
So my message to those loosely connected/tenuously labeled, “former intelligence officials”, ie. those behind the Q message board, is to please stop with the “trust the plan” stuff.
If you need to modify the messaging because you are financially dependent on keeping the game alive, then so be it…. Same request applies to the downstream benefactors… But please modify the narrative to a more factual and substantive one.
[If it helps, soon there will be a reality-based origin for you to modify the riddles]
The key point here is for all of you to please stop pushing a narrative that President Trump is somehow coordinating or influencing an investigative or confrontational outcome. He isn’t; he never has been; and he will not be in the future. However, that narrative, false though it always has been, is now a genuine problem. I am making this request politely and hopefully you can digest the problem as the landscape has changed.
President Trump is spending an inordinate amount of time reaffirming the reality that he has no connection to anything AG Matthew Whitaker has done in the past; or might do in the future.
If “Q riddle originators” and “Q riddle followers” keep pushing this “trust the plan” narrative, in any form – but specifically as it relates to the involvement of the President (which is false), you will actually be hurting the administration; and the larger goal of those who are factually trying to work internally within the corrupt systems to bring the needed change within the institutions.
President Trump will need to confirm a new U.S. Attorney General (Sessions replacement) and likely a new DAG (Rosenstein replacement), as well as a new FBI Director and Deputy in the near future (Wray and Bowditch). All of them have been Mueller enablers [see here] And, with the FL and AZ senate race results tenuous, there may be a diminishing margin for controversy (aggressive, actual swamp draining candidates) in the nomination process.
Please, and thank you.
At first it may seem that Sundance has asked us very nicely to deny what many of us believe – or at least to not talk about it on CTH. But what do we believe? Let me state it in a kind of general form, so we are not being evasive by a Snopesism of some kind. We believe:
There is some kind of plan to “drain the swamp”
Our VSGPOTUS is at least partially informed of it
We are asked to “trust this plan”
These would be the “THREE PILLARS” of the Q Cult, if I may call ourselves that. There is a plan. President Trump knows something about it. We can trust it.
I personally would be a liar if I said I didn’t believe all three parts of this. Our President would be an IDIOT if this wasn’t true. And Trump is not an idiot. It may be politically convenient to pretend it’s not true, but I don’t do that. In fact, I believe some stuff that makes a lot of people want to kill me, discredit me, shut me up, or all of the above. THAT stuff is hard. Believing our President has a plan to drain the swamp? That’s a no-brainer.
Now – I can certainly go on the Treehouse and not talk about The Three Pillars of the Q Cult, or even HINT at them. But I can’t drop that belief HERE, or anywhere else, including Twitter.
If THAT is OK with Sundance, then I am still a Treeper. But that is not my decision.
Now – is it possible to hold the “Pillars of Q” and not allege that President Trump is a criminal who is at the mercy of Bob Mueller? Particularly on issues of AAG Whitaker? Well, I think so. Because I believe the following:
President Trump is very, very smart
President Trump is always very careful about obeying THE LAW
The Plan is mostly if not almost totally not of Trump’s design
The Plan is mostly of military and military legal origin
The Plan is thoroughly reviewed by lawyers as an ongoing process
The Plan is reactive, changeable, ongoing, and intelligent
The Plan adapts to President Trump’s desires and suggestions (he IS CiC)
President Trump trusts The Plan and adapts to the advice of its designers
The Plan is 100% LEGAL and AUTHORIZED
Anything Illegal has been carefully SCRUBBED from The Plan
Trump is being carefully protected from illegalities or pitfalls
If President Trump says something in a tweet, it is TRUE
If President Trump says something in a tweet, it was part of The Plan
President Trump’s tweets pass by “Q” precisely for this reason
President Trump not knowing things, to obey the law, is part of The Plan
Absolutely NONE of this falls outside NORMAL ORGANIZATIONAL ETHICS
This is exactly how President Obama was protected from illegalities MOST OF THE TIME, but NOT ALWAYS, and THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE
The Plan deals with stuff that is so far above most people’s pay grades, there are some parts that are known by more ALIENS than HUMANS
Sorry – I had to throw that in to demonstrate no limits on secrecy
Does everybody see where I’m going with this?
Now, some people will say I’m just constructing a paranoid fantasy here. Well, I’m sorry, but….
THIS IS HOW I GO ON VACATION.
My wife plays the part of the military, and my dog plays the part of the aliens. OK – to be honest, sometimes my WIFE is the VSGPOTUS and I’M the military. And sometimes the dog… well, you get the point.
Are we clear? We are saying Trump is not an idiot, he’s an honest guy, and he plans stuff. He HIRES people who plan stuff. Our government has people who plan stuff. Some of it is secret, but it is all on the up-and-up under TRUMP.
Am I still a Treeper? Hell yes.
Because I TELL THE TRUTH. And the TRUTH HAS NO AGENDA.
The End.
W
Even my damn dog is Q. Because we’re honest, well-intended, and we plan.
The “Panic in DC” posts by QAnon have to be my absolute favorites lately. If you don’t know what I’m talking about, well, here you go. THIS was the latest group:
The first time I really paid much attention to these was on 9/11 this year, when the following stream of posts appeared. These were impossible to ignore.
That stream really told me something – that QAnon was actually “getting the scoops” before the fake news media. In fact, Q was getting the scoops INSTEAD OF the fake news media. THIS is when I realized that it really might be possible to just make the fake news media less and less relevant.
Here are a few more examples:
Last but not least, this GEM, where the “Panic in DC” posts themselves are discussed:
“PANIC IN DC” statements start a FIRE?
Twelve moves ahead.
Suicide watch.
Q
WOW. Pretty serious stuff. But nevertheless, just incredibly interesting.
Your thoughts?
W
I have decided to create a special BRANCH where those who are both Treepers (posters at The Conservative Treehouse, a.k.a. The Last Refuge, a.k.a. CTH, a.k.a. TCTH, a.k.a. https://theconservativetreehouse.com) and followers of the QAnon movement (Q-tards – whatever they want to call us) can discuss QAnon topics in peace and harmony.
I will work out the rules as we go, though I will err toward Free Speech within the limits of UNIMPEDED RESEARCH (very important) and productive discussion. Growth will be slow. Please be patient. I have never done anything like this before.
Part of my motivation is to keep QAnon fans in the orbit of CTH, and to help keep QAnon posting OFF of CTH. There is a strategic reason for this. Sometimes I will explain why I do things. Other times I will not. People are welcome to try to guess why I say things – this is ALWAYS a good exercise in understanding – something Q is trying to teach us. Why would I want to draw QAnon posting away from CTH?
I have no connection to Q other than a desire to understand Q. As Q says, there is only Q, although Q+ appears sometimes. When I call myself W, it is homage to Q – nothing more.
-Wolf
PS – can you guess what WQTH stands for? Yes! Easy! I wanted SHORT, SWEET, and most of all EASY TO REMEMBER.
Upon the advice of Wheatietoo and Plain Jane, Wolf Moon made me, James Coburn, the site mascot. You may see a lot of me!
