LET TRUMP'S BASE SPEAK! What (if ANY) "Gun Control" is Acceptable for You to Stay on the Trump Train?

Self-explanatory.

Be as elaborate as you want. This is OPEN ON THE TOPIC, as long as it connects back to the question. Remember: You are speaking to TEAM TRUMP. Have some courtesy. Toward our President, toward each other, and toward this serious topic itself. LIGHT over HEAT. Treat each other’s thinking with respect. Read a second time before responding. Maybe a THIRD.

Do you have ideas? Do you have warnings? Do you see problems? Speak up NOW!

FIRE AT WILL. Just stay on target and in control. WE are TRAINED. Act like PROS.

W

PS – The header image is one of my favorite “gun memes” ever. Anybody who has ever been the victim of criminals, either directly or indirectly, knows exactly what I’m talking about.

PPS – a reminder from michaelh

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kinthenorthwest

God Bless Trump His Administration and Families.
Thank You Mr. Trump for taking the job
Personally I do believe that what is in effect is good—there is no way in H3LL anyone can keep guns away from criminals. Any point of sale or transfer of guns does need a background check.
Stay Away from Red Flag Far Far Away President Trump
Two Comments that said it the Best about Red Flag
NUMBER ONE
Top 10 benefits of Red Flag Laws for your government controllers.
1: No more need for a pesky warrant.
2: No need for actual evidence.
3: Anyone can make a false claim and have your rights removed for any reason.
4: A great way to get back at people you don’t like.
5: Guilty until proven innocent.
6: Will prevent people with real problems from seeking help.
7: Most efficient way to degrade the second and the fourth amendment at the same time.
8: The fear will keep your ex in line.
9: People with no mental health background can order lethal SWAT raids.
10: Simply designate your political opponent’s rhetoric as “unstable hate-speech” and you may efficiently disarm and or harm them.
By TiborasaurusRex
NOT ONE MORE INCH
NUMBER 2
“rapid due process”.. By Anonymous Denunciation!
Someone accuses you, but they refuse to tell you who!
The various surveillance systems like stingray were designed
specifically for this purpose.. To bring charges, with no accusers!
No witnesses, But your guns will STILL BE GONE!
And you will be MARKED FOR LIFE, without any Recourse!
Convicted of NO CRIME, but your property is confiscated anyway!
Places the burden on the Accused, to PROVE THEIR INNOCENCE!
Turns the US Justice System, UPSIDE DOWN!
If you can’t face your accuser??? That means, NO DUE PROCESS!
This will be a Liberal Gun Grabbers JUBILEE!
Treacherous FBI refuses to declare ANTIFA as terrorists, but they’ll
gladly grab your guns, even tho you committed no crime!
Might as well have Obama back!
Gun owners should get ready, take precautions! Disperse your weapons
and equipment.. No doubt, this will be used as a tool to disarm us!
Count on it!
Video that goes with number 1
https://youtu.be/N4ApDFIbwuE

kinthenorthwest

H3LL look at what has been said about Trump supporters already….The list of what they have said is so long I’d be typing til midnight…
Already many liberals not just Hollywood people are talking about the revenge they are planning when Trump loses…Scary ain’t it.

kinthenorthwest

Even though I just posted about another CNN poll that makes Trump look good, we all need to get out and vote…Vote like our lives depend on it, for it does.

Volgarian8301

In case you missed it earlier…this is their thought process 😳🙄

Volgarian8301

Yeah, that’s a good one

B.b.S.s.Saint

It is happening here in WA state, we have red flag laws and neighbors, family members, etc. can say they are scared and the LEO come and take you and your guns without any due process, Have fun getting them back! Angry ex-wives, uneducated and loony neighbors have already done damage to many lives here in WA. Then the 1639 initiative and all the regulations to safely store arms, be licensed, etc have eroded the gun rights already. RED FLAG LAW IS A HARD NO FOR ME.
Don’t let the friendly ladies fool you, its NO! and H3LL NO!comment image

daughnworks247

Thanks, Wolfie, I was just getting ready to do one.
Here is the President’s 30 minute presser where he makes comments about gun control.

daughnworks247

Goes along with ridding schools of the Promise Program developed under Obama. Horrible policy.

rayzorbak

BTW… I never VOTED for this IDIOTIC program.
Come to think of it….
I didn’t VOTE for MOST of the “Laws” and/or “Regulations” that we AMERICANS have to abide by.

ozzytrumpster

This is the sort of toxic male he’ll raisers we need to have
Badass of the Week: Jacklyn H. Lucas
From military.com

rayzorbak

Promise Program?
Promise WHAT?
MOAR CRIME…. that’s what.
Personal RESPONSIBILITY MUST be RETURNED to our Country!

kalbokalbs

We have to support Trump 1000% on getting rid of the “juvenile expunging” – at least as far as NICS is concerned, but better still for ALL purposes.
^^^

daughnworks247

Copied from other thread:
On gun control.
I own guns, and I’ve drawn a gun three times to defend myself. Glad I had it. Son has concealed carry. Ex-husband is licensed federal firearms dealer.
2nd Amendment is important in our house.
1. Can’t remember specific year, but one year in Obama Admin, there were 47K failed background checks – and only 44 were investigated as to why. Senators brought this up in a panel discussion yesterday. If we’re not going to investigate WHY people failed a background check, then, what good is a background check? It is ONE thing that COULD BE tightened, because these are the 47K who might by a gun, illegally, on the street.
2. If only 3% of guns used in crime are legally purchased, then stronger background checks will have little to no effect on reducing crime.
3. Makes sense for states to share information.
4. Don’t want anyone on psychotropic drugs buying a gun, okay fine. Might have stopped Aurora shooter, and Gabby Giffords shooter, but Columbine and Sandy Hook used weapons from others.
5. Makes no sense to “put the guns in jail” and leave the crazy person on the street….. because they will find a way to do harm.
Knives, cars, etc…..
Timothy McVeigh = fertilizer
9/11 = box cutters and airplanes
6. I do agree with Trump that the wall on a juvenile record should not exist for a gun purchase. Likewise, the Obama “Promise Program”, where charging for various crimes were avoided, is at the root of the problem for Trayvon Martin and the Parkland shooting.
7. Military installations – soldiers should carry weapons, would have stopped Ft Hood and Chattanooga – but outlawing political correctness might have saved us from the above two + Orlando Pulse + San Bernadino.
8. No, illegals do not need to buy guns.
Mental health laws need to be changed. We did everything possible to help my own mother. We took away the guns –>>> she ran two vehicles off a bridge. Three day holds was all we could do if she was uncooperative. She tried to hang herself, slit her wrists, pills, etc. A litany of lawyers, a completely supportive family AND extended family, hundreds of thousands of $$’s, didn’t matter.
The family could NOT institutionalize her if she was uncooperative. She was fine on medication, but would not take it.
If someone wants to kill themselves, they will find a way.
She did.
I’m grateful she did not take anyone else with her.
Yet, if guns sales are restricted for anyone who has ever seen a therapist, the stigma to seek help will only be greater.
Tough call.
Domestic Violence – During my divorce, I had an ex-husband who was suicidal, in therapy, and three incidents where I had the red scope lights trained on me and my son — I still couldn’t get a restraining order.
Don Jr., brought up a good point about Red Flag Laws. The accused person needs defense counsel which is FREE. A wild accusation about by a neighbor can lead to thousands and thousands of dollars in expenses and a philonous charge is often vindictive in nature. Ripe for abuse.

Gail Combs

We have a local Animal Rights Activist with a judge as a friend. She makes a very nice living ACCUSING people with old, unthrifty animals of Animal Abuse and then CONFISCATES ALL their animals. Think a farmer with 50 cows or 100 sheep and an old pet pony. Or a horseman with a dosen show horses or roping horses and a retired favorite.
She pulls up with a trailer and takes YOUR animals off to an auction and sells them pocketing the cash. YOU are barred from owning animals again.
It is a real racket and I see this gun grab as Activist Confiscation TAKE TWO…
Without the JUDGE or a WARRANT!

daughnworks247

I was thinking, too.
Remember the Activist Becky Bond, who works with Zack Exley, the power behind Justice Dems?
Well, it’s Becky’s job to recruit and elect District Attorneys for Soros — all over the country.
What are the chances one of those hard left progressives would misuse a red flag law?

ozzytrumpster

She needs her tyres slashed

thinkthinkthink

Just checked my watch. “Time wounds all heels” is late for a date with this monster.

ozzytrumpster

Used to have that sign up in the neonatal icu. In a staff area

pgroup

Not sure what you mean by free defense counsel. In criminal prosecutions, the accused must be represented by counsel in order for due process to be had. [one exception is when voluntarily demanding to self-represent] In civil prosecutions, no right to counsel attaches. [major exception – parental fitness actions where parental rights can be lost]
Red flag laws are a form of civil restraining order. They are creatures of statute which are presumed to be enacted within the constitutional parameters. No attorney is required. The first application of such laws against someone will likely trigger an outpouring of offers of volunteer legal services, likely pro bono. The attorneys will challenge the constitutional prohibitions against unreasonable searches & seizures; the right to bear arms; the confiscation of property without compensation or due process; etc.
A decent trial court judge will stay his ruling (if adverse) pending appeal. If he/she will not stay, the appeals court will most likely issue a stay.
I’m curious what the Vegas oddsmakers have to say about the likely lifespan of these laws.

daughnworks247

Whereas keeping your guns becomes a protracted and expensive legal process.

Covadonga

It is ripe for a “losing accuser reimburses defendant’s legal bills” rule.
I would prefer it’s not enacted at all.
And, if at all, not now.
Wait ’til Soros’ ass is permanently parked in Guantanamo. Then I’ll be willing to open debate.

Plain Jane

You summed it up perfectly.

sunnydaysall

POTUS Trump promised we would never lose our second amendment rights and I believe him…
He is the king of “Head-Fakes” and I believe this is a stall tactic to get the dems to the table on immigration! He will attach the gun legislation bill to his immigration bill and the dems will vote no… The End. They had their chance and case closed.
The assault weapon ban was active for 10 years and it never made a difference so I can’t see that revisited either. But the dems want to drive a wedge between Trump and his base and this is how they are going to try and do it! I just worry that we could have another case of “read my lips, no new taxes” with these gun laws…

SteveInCO

He will attach the gun legislation bill to his immigration bill and the dems will vote no… The End.

Now THAT would be an interesting thing to watch…in an alternate time line. Does the left hate Deplorable guns more than they love illegal aliens voting and leeching off of us?
But of course…the President can’t prevent congress from simply amending the immigration language completely out of the bill, once he has proposed it to them. Of course, he also can’t prevent them from STARTING with a “clean” gun control bill in the first place.

sunnydaysall

I believe they are moving to fast to start with a clean bill and Soros probably has one waiting in the wings anyway…
Trump wins this one if the dems are to lax on the bill so they need and want to twist a knife in our conservative backs with new gun laws… and I can’t see them settling for less than some sort of ban! The words “ban” and “control” are bad optics for Trump because for liberals, words are their livelihood, and words are their optics!
I believe that this emergency bill for the dems is not about saving lives, this is a ploy, a setup to drive a wedge between Trump’s base!

rayzorbak

Can’t take a chance on this plan….
Red Flags for Immigration.
Once “They” get ANY form of “Gun Control”…..
The door is opened…..
The camels nose is under the tent…..
“They” will NEVER stop until the get TOTAL elimination of Guns.
And we ALL know…
If they outlaw Guns….
Only OUTLAWS (Criminals) will have Guns.
When SECONDS count…..
The cops are usually MINUTES (or hours) away.
We can NOT take the chance.

Gail Combs

“He is the king of “Head-Fakes” ….”
Yes, I keep thinking of DACA.
….
Also President Trump has just turned a BIG SPOTLIGHT on the RED FLAG LAWS! This means sneaking them through state legislatures quietly just became impossible. 😉 AND he just openned up the NATIONAL DEBATE on ‘Gun Law’ Mass murders AND THeir causes
==> LIKE GUN SAFE ZONES <==
==> PROMISE PROGRAM <==
==> ILLEGAL DRUGS <==
==> RITILAN & PROZAC <==
Violence in Schools? It’s the Prozac and Ritalin Stupid! by Dr. Larry Wilson
By: Edited by: William Wong ND, Ph.D., Member World Sports Medicine Hall of Fame.
RITALIN AND VIOLENCE

…. there are now over 5 million school kids in America on psychotropic drugs, most of which are prescribed and administered by the schools themselves. ….December 1996, there are four million kids on Ritalin alone, one of the most powerful of the drugs now being given routinely to children in American schools.
What is most disturbing, however, is the growing awareness that the increased violence among school children may have more to do with the drugs than with the guns they use to carry out their violence.
…Eric Harris, 18, who, with his friend Dylan Klebold, murdered his fellow students at Columbine, had been taking Luvox, one of the new antidepressant drugs approved in 1997 by the Food and Drug Administration for treatment of obsessive-compulsive disorder, or OCD, among children under 18.
…. T. J. Solomon, 15, who shot and wounded six classmates at Heritage High School in Conyers, Ga., on May 20 was on Ritalin for depression.
Shawn Cooper, 15, who fired two shotgun rounds, narrowly missing students and teachers at his high school in Notus, Idaho, was also on Ritalin, for bipolar disorder.
Kip Kinkel, 15, was on Ritalin and Prozac. He murdered his parents and then went on to school where he fired on students in the cafeteria,…
Mitchell Johnson, the 13-year-old student at Westside Middle School in Jonesboro, Ark., who mowed down several children and a teacher with his friend Andrew Golden, 11, was on some sort of medication since he was being treated by a psychiatrist…..
*http://www.ritalindeath.com/education/school-violence.htm

School Shootings Linked to Psychotropic Drugs Such as Ritalin:
http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/2000-05-16-School-Shootings-Psychotropic-Drugs.htm
One parent of a teenage murderer [16-year-old son, Jared] and those who knew him reported major personality changes after taking Ritalin. ( *http://familyrightsassociation.com/bin/white_papers-articles/drugging_our_children/)
…in 1973, psychiatrists were giving amphetamines to volunteers in order to observe their reactions. The reactions frightened researchers, who noted that several of the subjects expressed “a desire to kill” or to do something “bad or destructive.”
*http://familyrightsassociation.com/bin/white_papers-articles/drugging_our_children/
OVER PERSCRIBED
“Children given Ritalin to control hyperactivity could be permanently brain damaged, it was claimed yesterday. Research suggests the controversial ‘chemical cosh’ drug raises the risk of depression and anxiety in adulthood.Ritalin alters the brain’s chemical composition so that it has a lasting effect on mental health, US scientists believe. Because these changes take place while a child’s brain is growing, they could cause irreversible damage…. (wwwDOT)thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-8211049-ritalin-may-cause-damage-to-brains.do
2. In 1996, 10 percent to 12 percent of all American schoolboys were taking the addictive Ritalin. (wwwDOT)firedocs.com/remoteviewing/pjarchives/realworld/Children-and-Ritalin.cfm
3. The 700% increase in psychostimulant use that occurred in the 1990s justifies concern about potential overdiagnosis and inappropriate treatment of child behavior problems… from the early to mid-1990s the rate of ADHD treatment (i.e., school-administered Ritalin) among white boys in Baltimore County elementary schools was over 15%…. (wwwDOT)srmhp.org/0201/adhd.html
4. As many as 20 percent of college students have used Ritalin or Adderall to study, write papers and take exams, according to recent surveys focused on individual campuses. A study released this month by the National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse at Columbia found that the number of teenagers who admit to abusing prescription medications tripled from 1992 to 2003, while in the general population such abuse had doubled…. (wwwDOT)azcentral.com/families/education/articles/0801back-ritalin-ON.html

singingsoul1

When my son was in PhD program most of his friens had been on Ritlin. They all did pot and some other drug. Well those guys are now in Universities teaching our next generation. Thy are around 50.
I refused to have my kid on Ritlin and he was hyper. We put him on a good diet sugar free and to slow him douwn he had to repeat when I gave him directions. We began that when he was 4 and it really helped him to be trained to focus.
I am a very creative person and problem solver and this worked for him and us.

cthulhu

My parents found that my sister was oddly effected by food dyes, especially in artificially orange products. Cut that out and sugar, and everything went fine (1970’s/80’s). Today, she’d be medicated up to her eyeballs.

sunnydaysall

In the 90’s I pulled all 4 of my kids out of public school and home-schooled them! The Ritalin push was so hard in schools that they had 3 of my kids pegged as potentially needing the drug! My sister-in-law who lived in Minnesota at the time had to go to court to keep her son off the drug! She said two thirds of the children in the apartment complex where she lived were on the drug! She said the playground and the park in her area, that was once teaming with children playing, laughing, and living life, were eerily silent! There we no kids running the hallways and when she did see a child, they were like little zombies! She soon moved to Montana and home-schooled her son!

SteveInCO

I am NOT satisfied with the NRA’s stupid pat line of “let’s enforce the laws we already have instead of passing new ones.”
We ALREADY have too much gun control in this country. The NRA loves to tout the current background check as one of their accomplishments. (NOTE: Don’t try to tell me they settled for it–no; read what they are actually saying instead of what you WANT them to be saying. They are PROUD of having imposed NICS on us; they have NEVER made any actual claim that they swallowed it reluctantly to keep something worse from passing.)
The problem with NICS in FFL gun shops is, once one has conceded that that is OK (which the NRA has done–see above), then there is NO principled reason to oppose it for gun shows, and private party transfers.
We have too much “gun control” already. We should be getting rid of burdensome crap that does nothing. Why *can’t* I buy a gun over state lines without a donkey-derby involving FFLs? What does stopping people from doing that actually accomplish? (Especially if you ARE going to impose background checks, where I can be checked in Virginia as readily as in Colorado.) Why must there be this involved approval process for things like “silencers” and short barreled whatevers, when, after all we can do the background check “instantly?”
But of course–we shouldn’t HAVE to have a background check in the first damned place. Or have to get permission to buy short shotguns and hearing protection that is on the gun.
Or, for that matter, as far as I am concerned, “machine guns.”
(The only tax in the world where you have to beg the government for permission to pay it is on those sorts of things. OK, if you don’t want to lose the revenue, then just make it an ordinary excise tax.)
The F part of ATF is totally and expressly unconstitutional.

SteveInCO

Just gotta be careful though.
The law passed in 1986 eliminated a lot of bullshit (or so I’m told–I wasn’t plugged in to firearms back then) but it also essentially made it illegal to add new machine guns to the ATF’s registry, so those are now five figure items. That may not have been the best swap out there; I know some “gun people” are very bitter about that one still.

SteveInCO

And I don’t entirely trust the NRA on this sort of thing.
They love to be seen as “keeping guns out of the hands of criminals,” hence why they tout the NICS system. They’re more trustworthy when it comes to fighting bans on specific kinds of guns.

cthulhu

As currently constituted, the NICS system is heinous, s/b held unconstitutional, and needs to be ripped apart so that sunlight can sanitize its insides.
Similar to the “no fly” list, there is ample justification for “such a thing” to exist — but there is no excuse for having no specific laws about getting on the list, no disclosure that you are on the list and in what category, no appeals for being on the list, and no accountability for “false positives”……as well as “false negatives.”
You should be able to document, on a flowchart of no more than five pages, the entire decision process for NICS denials and approvals. Each decision element should have documented evidence standards (convicted felon being easiest). At the end of each branch of the tree should be a letter to local law enforcement and the person evaluated. The process should be totally transparent.
And, BTW, if it’s your crazy ex-gf making stuff up to try to embarrass you, there should be major cash penalties for doing so — five or six figures. [This is for NICS — red flag should be criminal and result in jail time.]

mandy

The train derailed.

Rodney Short

Trump Gravity,gotta love it….

para59r

Someone posted a meme yesterday. It showed how many Psychiatrists had declared the President to be legally insane. The number was high. The Argument can stop right there. They’ll do that to all of us.

sunnydaysall

I read this yesterday and it really ticked me off… This man was swatted at 5am because they were serving him with a red-flag order … and they killed him. He never bothered anyone and had no past police encounters. But hey, he did like to speak his mind… This happened last November…
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/08/maryland-police-shoot-and-kill-a-61-year-old-man-while-trying-to-serve-a-red-flag-order-officials-say-it-is-a-sign-the-law-is-needed/

rayzorbak

HORRORS!
He used his 1st Amendment RIGHTS…
To try to protect his 2nd Amendment RIGHTS?
No 2nd Amendment… Then there is no need for the 1st, 4th or any other Amendments.
Promises made: YOU will PROTECT our 2nd Amendment RIGHTS!
Please keep it: Promises KEPT Mr. President.

mandy

It was over 250, IIRC.

para59r

You should bring it here. I’d do it but I don’t see a way of bringing it out onto the page.
Your link from last night is the best I can do.
https://wqth.wordpress.com/2019/08/09/dear-kmag-20190809-open-topic/#comment-225680

mandy

I’ll try, let me see if I regabbed it…..

mandy

Finally found it – NeonRevolt posted it on Gab. It just says “hundreds” … we could probably find the specific number that signed the letter with the right search string …comment image

scott467

“What (if ANY) “Gun Control” is Acceptable for You to Stay on the Trump Train?”
___________
How about this:
Not ONE &^%$ thing, until YOU fix the DOJ, the C_A, the DHS and the FIB.
You fix those FIRST, and THEN we’ll talk about guns — which will be EXPANDING our gun rights by rolling BACK all the bogus and lawless INFRINGEMENTS that ALREADY exist.
Can you hear me now?
This is NOT a game.
And it’s definitely NOT something people who have NO UNDERSTANDING of our Constitution or our Rights or our History (i.e., politicians and lawyers) should EVER touch.
BTFO.
HARD.

sunnydaysall

Perfect!!! You have my vote Wolfmoon!!!

sunnydaysall

Sorry, Scott! So sorry!! I was trying to post on two pages at once! Yes! I agree with you 100%…

rayzorbak

By the way….
It’s not only the DOJ, the C_A, the DHS and the FIB that need fixing…
These agencies ALL have GUNS!
And Noaa, and other “agencies” have recently purchased LOADS of AMMO…. For What?
Shoot at the clouds to fix “climate change”?
WE have a GOD given RIGHT to Defend ourselves AND our Families and friends…..
Hell, even protect LIBERALS should another “shooting” occur around us.
The FOUNDERS were VERY SMART to include the 2nd Amendment in OUR… BILL of RIGHTS!

Linda K Harrison

I trust President Trump to do the right thing for us.
I have only owned a gun once in my life and it was because Obama and the dems kept saying they were going to get rid of the 2nd Amendment and our guns. It seemed my joining the NRA each time was not deterrent enough for them so I bought the actual handgun. I sold it before moving to NY.
NY has red flag laws and yesterday a man was throwing fireworks (the neighbors said at them) and they were upset with that and called the police. It is being reported up here that it was mentioned that “they might have heard a gun shot too”. When the police came the man went into his house and would not come out. A SWAT team was called, they removed the man from his house and proceeded to search the house for a gun, NO gun was found.
https://www.syracuse.com/crime/2019/08/baldwinsville-police-man-threw-fireworks-at-neighbors-house-may-have-fired-gun.html
Ya think that man will ever be approved to own a gun? This is exactly what is wrong with RED FLAG laws!

LM

I posted this earlier:
I just heard a bit of the President’s news conference and I am totally stoked about background checks now.
Thinking about the possibilities!
For example
Are you a legal citizen of the U.S?
Are you now or have you ever been on SSRIs?
DUI or drug use or convictions?
Lying punishable by….
😁
In addition, I think that in the case of guns we ought to be able to look at juvenile records to safeguard the public. This alone could have stopped some of these murders.
If these are inaccessible it is troublesome because people who have previous convictions repeated violence or even of armed robbery or murder might have clean records if these things were done while they were underage. This might be helpful in identifying gang members.

LM

Good point about the meds. I actually think you are right.
I had a few second thoughts and wrote a reply (included below) to my own post a few minutes ago but then thought it might be taking up too much space. I was prompted to write it because I remembered all of the times, particularly when family members were gravely ill, that my PCP tried to give me antidepressants.
One of my concerns with SSRIs is that a lot of the people who are on them have a history of depression with thoughts or a history of self harm. No way they should have a gun, imo.
But doctors try to dispense them for every possible reason, so perhaps they could simply serve as a reason to look into a person’s past history of self harm or harming others even if done as a juvenile.
I have worked with a number of troubled youth, all of whom have been on meds and some of whom are now considered adults . No way these still impulsive and aggressively violent people should ever have access to a gun.
Yes. President Donald Patton Trump is gonna fix a lot of stuff! 😍

ozzytrumpster

Let’s be honest here . Cold herd facts
If you were determined to off yourself what would you choose?
1 drowning
2Jump off cliff in front of train/bus with the risk of survival
3 tablets that could make you very sick or throw up
4 hanging
5 cutting wrists
6 instantaneous GSW to head
I know what I’d do
…….. oops forgot spoon.

cthulhu

Nitrogen asphyxiation — it’s also what I recommend for capital punishment and humane euthanasia for pets.
I live in Silicon Valley. There are nitrogen pipelines all over the place. It’s commonly used to purge reaction chambers for various wafer processes. That also means that I hear about industrial accidents using nitrogen. The top two symptoms are: loss of consciousness, and death.
Nitrogen is about 70% of the air we breathe anyway — if it was colored, or smelled, we’d be bathing in it every day. It’s just as unobjectionable as it is possible to be.
I’m going to simplify things a lot here, but let’s say that every breath you inhale is normally 70% nitrogen and 30% oxygen. Every breath you exhale is 70% nitrogen, 28% oxygen, 1% CO2 (from metabolism), and 1% H20 (water vapor). If you are being smothered, the ill-effects you feel (discomfort, confusion, panting, panic) come from a buildup of CO2 in your bloodstream, This may well rise to cruel and unusual punishment.
But in a pure nitrogen atmosphere, you inhale 100% nitrogen, and (on your first breath) exhale 70% nitrogen, 28% oxygen, 1% CO2, 1% H20. There is no CO2 buildup, there is no sensation of being smothered. And note well, you are actually exhaling oxygen that once was in your bloodstream. Once the oxygen in your bloodstream depletes to a certain level, consciousness fails like turning off a switch. A couple of breaths past that, and general metabolism shuts down.
If anyone ever sees a police report where I shot myself, or od’d, or injected myself, or drove over a cliff……yeah, that’s murder, no matter how suicidal I seemed to be beforehand.

ozzytrumpster

It’s very ugly for the responders and whoever finds them. No question. The train drivers get PTSD’s. Our nitrogen is a very humane way to die but not readily available. IMHO nitrogen should be used for execution, not because the scum being expected deserve it but because we aren’t them.

cthulhu

Here’s a little crazy suggestion — pharmacists have to deal with all sorts of laws and all sorts of security as it is. What if filling certain prescriptions meant you had to check your guns in a pharmacist’s locker until 30 days after you stop taking the medication? The cost of the locker could be included in the cost of the prescription and likely covered by insurance. It wouldn’t be the police and it wouldn’t be the Feds, and there are likely many scripts where this would make a lot of sense.

ozzytrumpster

Most serial killers have juvenile records involving arson and cruelty to animals. Also bed welters but that’s not a criminal offence. See Ed kempler for how a monster can be given a clean slate to kill again.
Ot from anonymous conservative
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rayzorbak

What good are “Background Checks” if those DENIED….
are not followed up as to why they were DENIED?
Is it not ILLEGAL to even ATTEMPT to buy a Gun with a DENIAL?

rayzorbak

I can Forgive “Mistakes”…..

michaelh

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
This text should be front and center at the top of the page!

michaelh

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michaelh

My idea of common sense gun control laws… IANAL 😉
Every voting citizen and able bodied man, to serve and defend the interests of the United States, to form militias, and for the protection of life and homestead, shall be required own, maintain, and be capable of operating arms for the purpose of national defense.
All able-bodied schoolchildren, to be eligible to graduate with a high school diploma, shall be required to successfully complete training on citizenship, civics, firearm safety, and marksmanship.
Eligible voters shall at the time of polling be required to show proof of arms ownership to demonstrate eligibility to vote.
Any incident of an illegal aliens on the sovereign soil of the United States while in possession of a firearm shall be considered a felony.
In the event of breach of the peace where immanent risk of violence is present, the citizen shall for legal purposes be considered a deputized officer of the law, with the full legal authority to protect and defend against the outbreak of violence.
The transport, possession, ownership, and safe storage of arms in one’s homestead or on one’s person by any citizen, whether visible or concealed, shall not be infringed.

Concerned Virginian

That sounds almost like Switzerland.

SteveInCO

In Switzerland, the government owns the gun, and you’d better account for the ammo they issue you.

SteveInCO

I’d better clarify–they own the rifle they issue you for the militia. Anything you buy on your own is a different matter.

Gail Combs

Sounds good to me.
ALSO you must show you have PAID TAXES or are a retiree who has PAID TAXES! (Wives are included as part of a married couple.)
Parasites should not have the vote PERIOD.

scott467

The WORDS of our FOUNDING FATHERS on the 2nd Amendment:
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Tench Coxe said: “Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American. …The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.”
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George Mason settled the question of militia by asking and answering: “Who are the militia? They consist of the whole people, except a few public officers.”
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Black’s Law Dictionary, 4th Edition:
Definition of EXCEPT
Not including. In re Kelly’s Estate, 153 Misc. 445, 274 N.Y.S. 488.
Other than, In re Nelson’s Estate, 152 Misc. 245, 273 N.Y.S. 268; Ingram v. Stat~, 241 Ala. 166,3 So.2d 431, 432;
To exclude from an enumeration, the scope of statement or enactment, a privilege, etc.;
to leave out of account or consideration. In re Garvin’s Estate, 335 Pa. 542, 6 A.2d 796, 800; Rickman v. Commonwealth, 195 Ky. 715, 243 S.W. 929.
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Noah Webster said, “The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops.”
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“And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. … The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” — Thomas Jefferson
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Writing in the Federalist Paper No.46, James Madison said, “The Constitution preserves the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation … (where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.”
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In Federalist Paper No. 28, Alexander Hamilton said, “If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all forms of positive government.”
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Richard Henry Lee said, “To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.
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Joseph Story (Supreme Court Justice) said: “The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a Republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers…” – excerpt from ‘Commentaries on the Constitution’ (1833).
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“This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing Government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it.”
Abraham Lincoln, inaugural address, March 4, 1861
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Declaration of Independence:
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”
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Definition of Unalienable
1: impossible to take away or give up
• unalienable rights
http://www.learnersdictionary.com/definition/unalienable
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To preserve and protect the RIGHT to be armed is a DUTY, it is a MORAL OBLIGATION which we owe to every man and woman who has fought and died for our FREEDOM — from 1776 to this very day — and which we owe to the generations which come after US.

mandy

You have great passion.

scott467

These times certainly call for it!
👍

rayzorbak

Damn it!
There you go GAIN!
Using LOGIC AND FACTS again. 🙂

nikkichico7

Here! Here!

cthulhu

The Second Amendment makes no sense unless its time is understood. A bunch of colonists, on the edge of wilderness, had declared themselves freemen under a new Republic and threw-off the burdens of the Greatest Empire of the Age — unequalled on land and sea — using the arms they kept in homesteads, closets, and community centers. Colonists had private cannons in their western towns to repel Indian invasions!
The Second Amendment is not about hunting. It’s not about “non-military weapons”. It’s not about “lawfully held”. It’s about the public owning sufficient weapons to fight and win against the professional troops of the Greatest Empire of the Age.

CM in TN

Any infringements upon our 2nd amendment rights should be considered null and void. The government must stick to their enumerated powers, they are not granted any others. The bill of rights is to Restrain an overambitious government. Infringe on my rights and risk me not voting for any of the traitors presented to us. I have voted 3rd party Constitutionalists several times already and will not vote for those who would erode our rights for “feel good” crap. No compromise! The yellow belly NRA has already compromised many of our gun rights away. Remember, they need gun laws as a reason to exist and have a poor record of compromising our God given rights away!
Most of our so called government lost my consent to govern me long ago. I may pay them lip service, but that’s about it at this point.

bakocarl

Although I haven’t read every post in this thread, Wolfie’s specific question, “What (if ANY) “Gun Control” is Acceptable for You to Stay on the Trump Train?”, appears to remain unanswered.
I am aboard the Trump Train. The Trump Train’s primary destination is clearly the Tri-Cities station, which serves the municipalities of America First, Make America Great Again and Keep America Great. The Tri-Cities station is also the access point to the roads that serve a large number of nearby suburbs, such as Freedom, Liberty, Justice, and the Rights Metropolis, which includes Religion, Speech, Press, Assembly, Petition, Keep Arms, Bear Arms, Security and a number of others.
The enemy is attempting to sabotage the tracks that lead the Trump Train to its destination. Many of their tactics have been partially successful, but have only, as yet, served to slow the train down a bit. It may be, sometime in the future, that the enemy may successfully damage access roads to one or more of the suburbs, so that, at least for a time, full and complete access is partially limited.
As long as the Trump Train is the best transportation available to the Tri-Cities station, I will be a full-fledged, card carrying, first class passenger aboard the Trump Train. It would be a fool’s folly, indeed, for a passenger to leave the Trump Train when any other means of transportation to the Tri-Cities station is woefully inadequate or even nonexistent.
Well, I’ve been praying lately,
Thinking about the world today.
Why can’t we live more sanely,
With family and friends each day?
For out on the edge of darkness,
There runs the Trump train.
Trump train take this country,
Come take me home again.
Trump train sounding louder,
Ride on the Trump train.
We could not be prouder,
Come on the Trump train.

LM

I love this!
I, too, am firmly aboard the Trump train right there with you.
❤️

Gail Combs

Wolfie,
President Trump NEEDS the Support of his base.
He has Opened the Discussion on the SECOND AMENDMENT. Now it is up to us to SAY HELL NO! to any INFRINGEMENT on our MOST IMPORTANT RIGHT…
AND EXPLAIN WHY.
We also need to sent the information to our Congress Offal and explain WHAT the SECOND AMENDMENT is really about. Preventing TYRANNY. And that is why the GOVERNMENT IS BARRED from making GUN LAWS PERIOD FULL STOP.
Now if we didn’t have a TRAITOROUS Supreme Court for the last hundred years, the question would be a non-started.

pgroup

Congress Offal!! I am so stealing that.
I just love the type of crazy that lives here. 🙂

Aubergine

Bako, that is PERFECTION!
Took the sentiment, if not the words (you are for more poetic and expressive) right out of my mouth.

rayzorbak

Agreed Carl….
I have been aboard this “Trump Train” since VSG called out the PHONY Birth Certificate(s) and flirted with a Presidential Run.
I will Stay aboard regardless since there is NOWHERE else to turn.
I am with VSG unless he makes a 7 yr deal with Israel….
And then BREAKS it 3 1/2 yrs later…..
Then Sits on a Throne in the New Temple and…
Declares himself to be GOD.

bakocarl

Breaking the 7 year deal with Israel at 3 1/2 years . . . yup, I’d hope that everyone with ears to hear leaps of the Trump Train with that one!

rayzorbak

I don’t expect that to happen….
But IF it did…… 🙂

nikkichico7

Carl I’m on board …. 🙂🤚🇺🇸‼️

daughnworks247

How about if we go the other way.
My 6th grade school (Jr High) in burbs of Chicago had a gun range.
Had to wait until 7th grade to shoot, though.
Dad was transferred to NO, and I was disappointed.
If 90% of the problem with these kids is socialization, at least we can teach them to respect guns. The Chinese and Russians would FREAK.
I’m kind of liking the idea……

daughnworks247

Ya’ know, the gov’t LOVES to spend money on schools.
A few years ago, we had 78 Gyms built in our state. All of them are allegedly F5 Tornado proof. Cost was 7.5 million per gym. Total waste.
Made the gyms so HOT it’s impossible to air condition them. Like playing basketball in a pizza oven.
Nonetheless, gun ranges……… yeah, I could get that one approved in a heartbeat. For the girl and the boys. Hey, we have less kids playing football…. night as well teach them to defend themselves.
I got it, one semester martial arts, one semester gun range.

daughnworks247

I would WANT my daughter to take that class.

Gail Combs

I wish we had had that option!
We got archery which at least teaches hand-eye coordination and correcting for wind.
The first time I picked up a 22 rifle at age 14, I put every single shot in the bulls eye. The drill sargeant at the military school I was visiting could not believe I had never handled a rifle before.

thinkthinkthink

Interesting.
I did practice archery in high school.
And when I did try my hand at shooting, I found my aim was not bad at all.
Not sure I connected the dots before.
Thanks.

Volgarian8301

There could be competitive shooting events!!

daughnworks247

Gunner competed in several.
NRA has them for almost all ages.

Volgarian8301

I love this idea

nikkichico7

I like it Daugh …

Deplorable Patriot

Yeha, I’m wondering why learning to shoot is not a right of passage. My family is not into firearms at all, but we would learn to shoot if it was part of over all life.

Brave and Free

I’ll be on the Trump train till it ends, and then hop on the next available one going to the same destination. Everything is a give an take in this. I think this is a total distraction by the left at this point. We’re all focusing on the 2A right now and sure as sh@t there out there working on what to do next to chip away at the truth not being exposed about their coup against PDJT.
Time to focus and not let them get away with it.
Back to the question, what choice do I have? Except trust PDJT.

JasonD

What would Jesus do?

JasonD

First he would lay down His gun (he would also likely be Red Flagged, since claiming to be the Son of God would require a “mentally disturbed” diagnosis) – Then what you said 🙂

rayzorbak

I could see that habbening. 🙂

kalbokalbs

Nothing ambiguous below, me thinks…
“…Shall not be infringed. As Beijing Biden would say, P E R I O D. P E R I O D . P E R I O D.
N O G U N C O N T R O L ! None. Zero. Zip. Nada.
1. Owning guns is a human Right to protect oneself.
2. Owning guns is a God given Right.
3. Owning guns is supported by the Second Amendment.
4. Supreme Court has ruled Police are not obligated to “protect / defend” citizens.
– ^^^ Reckon that with the 100% stoopidity of gun control.
– ^^^ Reckon that with the maroon gun free zone concept. Beijing Biden initiated that law as a Senator.
Fundamentally…
– NO red flag laws.
– NO NICS.
– NO Background checks.
– NO FFLs.
– NO gun free zones.
– NO whatever the hell slips my mind at the moment;-)
Machine guns should be legal. Bump stocks, a plastic add on legal.
Declare the United States, DC and Territories CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY – (no State law required to open or concealed carry) is granted by the Second Amendment as written.
Our Founding Fathers demanded the Second Amendment for good reason, defense against a tyrannical government.
– Our government is largely out of control. Nearly had a coup. We are not out of the woods yet!
– DOJ, FBI, IC are NOT to be trusted.
– Congress D-Rats and RepubliCONS) are complicit in the coup attempt as they, among other things allowed the illegal Mueller SC to be created and run its course.
– USG and foreign governments conspired against Candidate, president elect, and President Trump.
– MCM, talking heads…participated in attempted coup.
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AFTER felons and those guilty of misdemeanors that today take away their gun Rights, voting Rights, have served their time, paid fines/restitution, etc., should have their Rights fully restored.
IF someone is a danger to society, lock them up. Treat them if appropriate. Guns are NOT part of the equation, discussion or decision matrix, IMHO.
Guns by themselves are harmless. Leave guns the hell alone.

kalbokalbs

To clearly answer Wolf’s question, I cannot imagine getting off the Trump Train. I’ll be here through Januray 20, 2025;-)
President Trump’s accomplishments far out pace every President since George Washington.
While I do NOT support gun control (surprise), I will assuredly continue 100% support for President Trump.

rayzorbak

Speaking of “Guns”……
What the Hell is an “ASSAULT” weapon?
a ROCK? a KNIFE? a Baseball BAT? a CAR? your FIST?
ANYTHING used to “Assault” someone!
Yes…. Guns (ALL of them) can be “Assault” weapons.
The “Weapon” is not the problem as ANYTHING can be used in an “Assault”.
People kill People……. not the WEAPON!

rayzorbak

Pass whatever “LAWS” you will……
CRIMINALS do NOT follow the “LAWS”!

tom f

Much is being said about ‘gun control’
“Deja vu all over again”. (thanks Yogi)
Would finding out who is making these shootings (on demand) possible put an end to the ‘gun control’ issue.?
Nancy has to be involved.
Someone is calling the shots here. Who?

michaelh

Not enough docu dumps on this

Volgarian8301

^^^^Big piece of the puzzle that needs to be filled in before any further action is taken

Volgarian8301

Give Doug Collins the info. He’s not skeered 😁

Plain Jane

I detest the idea of more gun laws. Realistically, I’m on the Trump train no matter what he does, because otherwise, to whom should we turn!!!
No one, unless Jesus Himself runs.

Concerned Virginian

I say:
This entire thing about “common sense gun control” and “universal background checks” and “keep guns away from anybody who every took an SSRI” and all the rest of it — is ONLY about the main goal:
CONTROL OF WE, THE PEOPLE.
First, the government comes after firearms.
Then, the government comes after OTHER currently legal self-defense weapons (Taser, for example).
Then, the government passes RED FLAG laws that obviate the Second, Fourth, and Fifth Amendments.
Then, the government will permit health professionals to put a RED FLAG proceeding on ANY patient, current OR former, who fits the RED FLAG laws parameters. The PATIENT is considered GUILTY without trial or recourse.
Then, the government runs FFL’s out of business and takes over selling ALL firearms, self-defense weapons, and ammo, to those who have been “permitted” to purchase them.
Then, the government will force the national registration of ALL weapons owned by private citizens.
Then, there will be legislation from the federal government AND local governments to permit LE to, WITHOUT a warrant, enter a private citizen’s house and “inspect” it to make sure the new laws are being observed.
MEANWHILE: the elites will have ALL the armed security they need – will be able to skirt the RED FLAG laws – be able to own and keep firearms.
Starts to sound an awful lot like Nazi Germany or Leninist – Stalinist Soviet Union to me.
BEFORE Congress gets back into session next month — buy the firearms you’ve had your eye on. Buy the ammo you’ve told yourself to get for months. Buy the Taser or street-legal stun gun you looked at. GET the CCW or get that expired CCW renewed. Scout your property to see where you could bury a firearm and ammo and make sure you don’t forget the location.
UNDERSTAND that at some point, buying firearms and/or ammo on the internet will likely be prohibited.
And pray to the Almighty God that President Trump isn’t suborned on OUR RIGHTS under the Second Amendment.

singingsoul1

Something needs to be done with young people who are mentally disturbed.
How do we keep guns specially outomatically weapons out of their hand?
Who should we make responsible for their killings if they do? How can it be prevented that they can buy automatic weapons where they can shoot many people just in minutes?
We need to help with solutions otherwise we become part of the problem.
No one want to give up gun rights that is understood but what is the solution that sick people do not get a gun or outomatic riffle?
I think that is what Trump is wrestling with.
Ok no ret flag law what do you all suggest? How do we keep powerful weapons out of the hands of those who are disturbed?

scott467

“No one want to give up gun rights that is understood but what is the solution that sick people do not get a gun or outomatic riffle?
I think that is what Trump is wrestling with.
Ok no ret flag law what do you all suggest? How do we keep powerful weapons out of the hands of those who are disturbed?”
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Well that’s just it, if there was a solution to it, we would already be doing it.
It’s like asking for a solution for ‘bad’.
Everybody wants ‘bad’ to stop, but there are only two more or less effective ways mankind has ever come up with to accomplish it:
1) a ‘benevolent dictator’ who makes self defense mostly unnecessary by summarily and very publicly executing anyone who commits a violent crime, to the point where almost no one ever commits violent crimes
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2) a population which can defend itself
The problem with “benevolent dictator” is that even under the best circumstances, you are essentially a slave, and when ‘benevolent dictators’ eventually die, you will next be at the mercy of a NOT ‘benevolent’ dictator. So for #1, best case scenario is short term ‘slavery-lite’ followed by long term slavery (heavy).
The problem with everyone defending themselves is disparity of physical size and strength.
This is why the Equalizer was invented.
It’s relatively compact, holds anywhere from 5 rounds (e.g. S&W J-frame) to around 20 bullets (e.g. Springfield full size 4.5″ XD-M 9mm, 19 +1) depending on the model.
With an Equalizer, a.k.a. a revolver or pistol, size and strength disparity are essentially nullified, such that even a small woman with a gun can adequately defend herself against a very large man (or a mountain lion, or even a bear, with the proper caliber ammunition).
This solution, while certainly requiring a degree of personal responsibility and effort, is so far the “least bad choice” available.
It beats “benevolent dictator” (if such a thing ever existed outside of the Land of Unicorns) in every way, and it is the ONLY solution that will ever give you or me a realistic chance in an emergency.
Because when seconds count, police are just minutes away.
If anything, we need MORE handgun owners, because the ‘problem’ is that most of We the People are not regularly armed.
So when a nut goes on a rampage, there may not BE anybody in the vicinity with a weapon to stop him.
If, for example, even 50% of the population was armed, there would be at least TWENTY or more people returning fire at the shooter in EVERY mass-shooting.
More armed citizens = more dead mass-shooters who may only injure or kill a few — or hopefully NONE — before they go down in a hail of bullets.
As the expression goes, “an armed society is a polite society”.
We need MOAR guns, not less.
As for mental cases, a standard competency test could easily be developed and implemented, no more intrusive or time consuming than checking your eyesight at the DMV every time your driver’s license is renewed.
The FFL (Federal Firearms License holder) from whom you actually take possession of most (if not all) commercially purchased firearms could administer a basic competency test, and empower him or her to exercise their JUDGMENT if something seems wrong.
Regarding background checks, the NICS background check system is already implemented nationwide and has been, for YEARS.
Beyond that, we take our chances, no different than handing a 16-year old a Driver’s License (with a whopping 8 hours of road experience with an Instructor in the car…) and hoping he doesn’t kill himself or anybody else.
We can’t create a perfectly 100% safe environment anywhere.
But if-and-when an environment suddenly becomes unsafe — due to criminal or insane conduct by someone with a deadly weapon — the BEST chance any law abiding citizen will ever have, is to be armed.

scott467

Of course, the SHORT answer would be even moar effective:
DECLASSIFY everything, expose MKUltra and all the other INSANELY criminal activities of our LAWLESS government and their SERIAL FALSE FLAG crimes.
This one thing — alone — would almost certainly eliminate 95% of the mass-shootings in America.

Gail Combs

Gun ownership is NOT about hunting, it is not even about personal protection agains criminals…
GUN OWNERSHIP IS ABOUT PROTECTION AGAINST TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT and ANY RESTRICTION ON GUN OWNERSHIP IS A SLIPPERY SLOPE TOWARDS TYRANY.
The critical freedom for a FREE PEOPLE is the freedom to own weapons because the power hungry have a tendency to take over governments. Without weapons in the hands of citizens to defend themselves and oust these power hungry madmen you WILL end up with Democide.
An individual no matter how hard he tries can not come close to the amount of death a government can visit on its own people. Guns give people a fighting chance against government madness.
Why do the elite want to disarm the public? Because they wish to do something which they cannot do if citizens are armed. A government determined to remove a citizens right to own guns is planning to do things it citizens will violently object to.comment image
FBI Data Shows Armed Citizens Have 94% Success Rate Stopping Would-Be Mass Shooters
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Quotes from founders on the right to bear arms. All confirmed and annotated from the time before the ratification of the US Constitution. ALL CONFIRM the right to bear arms is about CONTROL of the government By The PEOPLE.

A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks.
        — Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr, 1785. The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, (Memorial Edition) Lipscomb and Bergh, editors.
We established however some, although not all its [self-government] important principles . The constitutions of most of our States assert, that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves, in all cases to which they think themselves competent, (as in electing their functionaries executive and legislative, and deciding by a jury of themselves, in all judiciary cases in which any fact is involved,) or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed;
        —Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824. Memorial Edition 16:45, Lipscomb and Bergh, editors.
No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
         —Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution, 1776.
Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. And it is not certain, that with this aid alone they would not be able to shake off their yokes. But were the people to possess the additional advantages of local governments chosen by themselves, who could collect the national will and direct the national force, and of officers appointed out of the militia, by these governments, and attached both to them and to the militia, it may be affirmed with the greatest assurance, that the throne of every tyranny in Europe would be speedily overturned in spite of the legions which surround it.
         —James Madison,The Federalist Papers, No. 46.
To suppose arms in the hands of citizens, to be used at individual discretion, except in private self-defense, or by partial orders of towns, countries or districts of a state, is to demolish every constitution, and lay the laws prostrate, so that liberty can be enjoyed by no man; it is a dissolution of the government. The fundamental law of the militia is, that it be created, directed and commanded by the laws, and ever for the support of the laws.
         —John Adams, A Defence of the Constitutions of the United States 475 (1787-1788)
Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive.
         —Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (Philadelphia 1787).
Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man gainst his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American…[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.
         —Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.
[W]hen the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliament was advised by an artful man, who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should not do it openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually… I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers. But I cannot say who will be the militia of the future day. If that paper on the table gets no alteration, the militia of the future day may not consist of all classes, high and low, and rich and poor…
         —George Mason
The whole of that Bill [of Rights] is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals…[I]t establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of.
         —Albert Gallatin to Alexander Addison, Oct 7, 1789, MS. in N.Y. Hist. Soc.-A.G. Papers, 2.
C]onceived it to be the privilege of every citizen, and one of his most essential rights, to bear arms, and to resist every attack upon his liberty or property, by whomsoever made. The particular states, like private citizens, have a right to be armed, and to defend, by force of arms, their rights, when invaded.
         14 Debates in the House of Representatives, ed. Linda Grand De Pauw. (Balt., Johns Hopkins Univ. Press, 1972), 92-3.
Quotes and annotations from http://guncite.com/gc2ndfqu.html

rayzorbak

This brings up something else……
Why are “Lawyers” allowed to approve or decline JURORS?
Luck of the draw from American Citizens should be the rule.
Ans why is some EVIDENCE not allowed and other EVIDENCE is?
Seems VERY unfair (RIGGED) to me.

pgroup

When we moved from common law to rules-based law, certain changes were necessary. Different systems – same justice (hopefully).

rayzorbak

Justice?
Haven’t seen much of that here in my 56 years
LOT’s of “Judicial” maneuvering though.

nikkichico7

Gail I copied paragraph 2&3 …. for my post … I like it
Thank you Patriot .. 🙂👍❤️🇺🇸❤️‼️

scott467

100% agreed.
The primary purpose of the 2nd Amendment protecting our God-given RIGHT to keep and bear arms is, should it become necessary, to overthrow a tyrannical government.
Period.
The secondary reason is for self-defense.
The tertiary reason is for hunting.
The fourth purpose is “life, liberty and the pursuit of HAPPINESS”, because shooting guns just makes you HAPPY, whether it is for sport or just because you happen to like the loud BANG a gun makes when you pull (I know, technically ‘press’) the trigger.
Without the primary purpose, the other three don’t really exist or even matter.

piper567

thanks for the link,Gail, I like reddi-references.

Concerned Virginian

wolfmoon1776
Can this entire discussion somehow be sent to The Turtle and to President Trump?

rayzorbak

Somebody? 🙂
Some Dunce won’t.

nikkichico7

… 😉👍❤️🇺🇸❤️‼️

drillerelite

That’s perfect

andyocoregon

If McTurtle keeps promoting crap like red flag laws and “assault weapons” bans, he may very well find groups of conservatives protesting noisily outside his house at night.

piper567

andy, in all fairness to the turtle, all he said was the Senate “could look” at these proposals.

rayzorbak

Wolf…… This Article (and comments)…
May be the MOST IMPORTANT article of this YEAR.
Thank YOU for bringing it Sir.

rayzorbak

This place (Q TREE) is the very BEST place to be……
I visit daily and visit often (Like Dems vote).
WE are the “News” now.
there are few others.

rayzorbak

About “Background checks”……..
Fine….. we are all “Law Abiding Citizens” here.
But eliminate the need for 1 gun… 1 Background Check)
i.e. a Background check for EVERY firearm purchase (especially at the same time).
Also make it FREE to transfer firearms among CITIZENS (Son, Daughter, Grandkids, Friends etc)
I realize FFL’s won’t like this, but it currently is just ANOTHER TAX on the Citizenry.
And…. we can sell CAR’s to one another without this crap….
And…. Car’s are used to “Assault” people too.

drillerelite

Yeah, don’t even come close to infringing you commie bastards. Americans will keep their arms thanks anyways and go fuck yourselves.
The best things they could do to bolster background checks is make sure the people who should be in the system already show up. Looking at you Broward county, Mr Freeze Muncie and the cowardly Sheriff Israel 🤬. Other than that just declare gun free zones illegal and allow open carry. Boom, problem solved.

drillerelite

Hopefully patriots are drilling down on all the infidels. It’s time for some pain.comment imagecomment image

nikkichico7

Absolutely …

scott467

Except NICS is never going to keep a criminal from getting a gun anyway, because a criminal won’t buy one lawfully in the first place!

Volgarian8301

OK to answer the question….I am on the train, I plan to stay aboard and will not give up my seat. I trust PDJT to stand by his promises to us on 2A.
While background checks MIGHT be OK, they will not catch everything. Ex-husband was able to get domestic violence record expunged. Will not show up on background check. Sealed juvenile records turn up nothing. That needs to be corrected.
No Red Flag…too much potential for abuse.
Take all the alphabet agencies out of the equation, including the NRA. Let the US Marshall’s be in charge of background checks.

Volgarian8301

Forgot to add…need to eliminate gun free zones, or at least don’t visibly post the info, that puts a target on the back of every human in that establishment

andyocoregon

I can foresee an embittered divorcee reporting her ex-husband as having “scared” her (falsely) with a gun he owns. And he may be a gun collector, so he’d have to immediately turn over every gun and box of ammo he owns to police. She could use that as a tactic to gain monetary advantage in a nasty divorce in much the same way many women have falsely used sexual assault laws against her ex to gain child custody, alimony and child support.
These red flag laws offer way too much potential for abuse. Unfortunately there are many district court judges who fear the feminist legal lobby and will rule against the man every time.

rayzorbak

Mr. President…
These “People” are NOT your Friends…..
You see what they have done and will continue to do to YOU…
Please do NOT thet “Them” try it on “US”.
“Gun Control” in all of it’s forms…. is a NON-STARTER.

singingsoul1

Hear that people do not want gun control? Do I understand right?
What do we do with those individuals who are disturbed what are there rights?
How does a free society sort them out without infringing on the rights of gun ownership?
What about citizenship goin shopping or being at a festival with family kids ,mothers , wives and friends and a lune with an automatic shoots them down?
Do we have a right to mind our own business without being shot as if we are in a war zone?
Ok who is responsible selling an asoult weapon to a mental person and the person selling has no clue who is mental or not?
Friends sadley this is all our problem because parents of killers delude themselves or lost control a long time ago.
On the other hand a person can be triggers by anything and loose it.

rayzorbak

EVIL….. exists…..
“LAWS” will not remove it.
IF….. a “Lune” comes near YOU…..
With ANY Weapon…..
I bet you want me (us) near to TAKE THEM OUT!
Take OUR Guns…..
YOU… have NO Defense
Think about that. :).

redlegleader68

I just got in, so I haven’t read the comments.
I’ll just say this … I got fully on board the Trump Train when he came down the elevator in Trump Tower. I haven’t gotten off and will not get off.
There are things happening we don’t know about –and will not know about– which invariably leads to a certain level of disinformation. And, yes, I’m talking about Q level stuff.
If I may, with all due respect to our Q-Tree, I would like to say that CONTINUOUS citations of how unhappy you are, or how, for one reason or another, how you’re now done and won’t put up with it any more, is just the type of bullshit I had to purge my units of in that time long ago when I was in charge or Men.
I’ll just say (W, are you listening?) calm down. If you believed Trump then, and his message then, and what he as actually accomplished since then (as opposed to “proposals”) then what they hell’s wrong with you? Get a grip.
Let’s get really down to the nut cutting and see what will really be put on the table.
You should know PDJT by now. He put out an enormous of info & proposals just to see the landscape. NOTHING MORE. This is high stakes chess. Moves and counter moves.
Prep the battlefield.
Sun Tzu
If not: [Red Dawn]

JasonD

Liked comment, cause I agree with 95%. The WOLF does not need defending by anyone, but I’m going to anyway 😉
Wolf is just asserting his rights as employer of POTUS to let him know where The Wolf stands – I read no more into it than that. POTUS takes the pulse of his base – Wolf is just contributing to the heart beat of Trump’s Base.

Gail Combs

It is also BRAIN STORMING…
On top of that it lets the enemy know WE UNDERSTAND OUR RIGHTS AND THE REASON FOR THEM.
Taking guns away one person at a time is one thing. Taking a gun away from a law abiding citizen and having the DEPLORABLES MARCH ON WASHINGTON because we UNDERSTAND the DANGER, is something entirely different.

michaelh

Yeah my wife asked me what I thought about his proposals. Pretty much I said let’s see what he has in mind, I’m sure he knows how to handle this.
IOW: TRUMP GRAVITY.

Lm

Doesn’t the Constitution only guarantees the right of the American people (citizens) to keep and bear arms?
People in our country illegally should not be able to purchase firearms.
I hope this might be a chance to help the President track down illegals and people who have been involved with gangs or things like Antifa…like the census.
I think it could help protect people from those who have violent criminal juvenile records.
Even if criminals will get guns anyway we should do all we can to make it harder for them.
For those who want no regulations or background checks of any kind, rest assured that if these kinds of good protective measures are emphasized, the left will probably never pass them anyway. They might even have to answer for that to their base.

andyocoregon

Tomorrow, Saturday, afternoon down in the southern coastal town of Coos Bay Oregon, the group Patriot Prayer, led by the very brave Joey Gibson is holding a 2nd Amendment Sanctuary campaign. I doubt many of Antifa’s old Subarus would make it down there that far, so there’s likely nothing to worry about regarding violence.
https://kval.com/news/local/patriot-prayer-coming-to-coos-bay-for-anti-gun-regulation-rally

andyocoregon

It’s great to see this 2nd Amendment Sanctuary movement taking off. Hell, if illegal aliens can have their Sanctuary Cities, why can’t gun owners have their Sanctuaries as well?
https://www.facebook.com/SecondAmendmentSanctuary/

Marica

Quick weigh-in as still with family— but best response ever came from my 28 yr old son re: Red flag law.. “Trump just brings it up so everyone starts talking about it! He knows it’s a slippery slope..Trump has this!”
And by the way- where again are ya gonna go if you jump off the Trump Train? The Eeyore Bus? Not I!! I’m on for the entire duration! Nothing throws this Patriot off… NOTHING!!😍♥️♥️ hang tough!! Love you guys!! Great post Wolfie!

ForGodandCountry

Dear Mr. President,
I just ask you to remember one thing.
“Progressives” call themselves this because they know they can never get what they truly want in one step. All they really want re: gun legislation (or any other legislation for that matter) is to crack the door open just an inch. Why? Because they will then work “progressively” to get what they truly desire.
One of the best and clearest examples of this is when conservatives compromised with democrats and took their word back in the ‘90’s that they would not move to further their social agenda if we agreed to their “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” legislation re: gays in the military. What did we get? Less than 10 years later not only were gays serving openly in the military but transgenders were allowed and taxpayers were expected to pay for the tranny’s sex change operations!
This is exactly what we can expect from the left re: gun control legislation. The left cannot be trusted in any way, shape, or form. They have proven this to the people time and time again. Please do not allow the left to crack the door open re: gun control, not even an inch. If you do, you will set the stage and the momentum to ultimately allow the left to disarm law-abiding citizens and leave us defenseless against our gov’t, just as has happened to the people of Venezuela.
The left has proven, time and again, that compromising with them today gives them their policy victories of tomorrow. Today they are openly attacking our 1st and 2nd Amendment rights, the very foundation our Founding Fathers set for defending our other God (not gov’t) given rights. For the sake of future generations we cannot afford to compromise with the political left of today. Not because we can’t compromise, but because the left has proven that it sees compromise as a weakness and an opportunity to further it’s socio-political agendas. This is not speculation, nor fear. This is firm, irrefutable fact.
God bless you, and God bless our beloved Republic.

andyocoregon

Did you send this to President Trump? If not, you should because it’s very good.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

nikkichico7

Here’s my post .. 2 paragraphs form Gail’s post @8:03pm …
GUN OWNERSHIP IS ABOUT PROTECTION AGAINST TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT and ANY RESTRICTION ON GUN OWNERSHIP IS A SLIPPERY SLOPE TOWARDS TYRANY.
The critical freedom for a FREE PEOPLE is the freedom to own weapons because the power hungry have a tendency to take over governments. Without weapons in the hands of citizens to defend themselves and oust these power hungry madmen you WILL end up with Democide.
Dear Team Trump, thank you for stopping by glad you did. We appreciate it so much, God bless you all and our President Donald J. Trump and his family. Take care. 🇺🇸❤️‼️

nikkichico7

I have/had five brothers all were in the military … four Marines, one army … we stand for Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness

wheatietoo

I’ll keep it simple:
No Red Flag Laws.
Full Stop.
We already have enough ‘gun control’ laws…too many, if you ask me.

wheatietoo

‘Gun Control’ should mean “having proper control of your weapon”.comment imagecomment image

michaelh

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wheatietoo

Hah!
I love these, Michael!
😁👍

Marica

This whole argument is not about guns.. it’s about mental health and should not be tied into guns! Straw man! Y’all remember the movie- One Flew over the Cuckkoos Nest? Nurse Ratchet? This was the cultural end to institutionalization.. sorry peeps.. many need to be institutionalized! Let’s start withColumbine, sandy hook and Arora Co dudes… Hollywierd is the culprit! As well as fake news ! Stand Firm!! Guns don’t kill people!! … and … Pray!
And don’t forget..

michaelh

“You keep trying to ban guns, but then we still have the crazy people!”

wheatietoo

Exactly right, Marica!
How many school shootings were there back before they closed down the mental institutions?
The ‘mentally disturbed’ must be institutionalized…again.
It works!
Good to see you, Marica.
😀
Hope you’re having a great vacation!
We’ve missed you!

Marica

Miss you too Wheatie!! And all here! Gearing up to get back in the fight again!! Listening to your fantastic music tonite!😘

mandy

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Harry Lime
nikkichico7

I’m saving this Harry, it’s excellent …. ty .. 🙂🤚❤️

nikkichico7

… when Cain killed Abel God didn’t ban the rock he banned Cain …

nikkichico7

That came from Harry Limes post and it go it wrong .. it’s ..
When Cain slew his brother with a rock, G-d drove him out of the civilized lands.
G-d did not ban rocks. He banned murderers.
The article Harry linked was good .. 🙂

nikkichico7

Harry Lime
August 10, 2019 at 01:22
I posted this on the Gun Control thread but I’ll post it here as well.
Daniel Greenfield article: We Need Crazy Control, Not Gun Control
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/274571/we-need-criminal-and-crazy-control-not-gun-control-daniel-greenfield

nikkichico7

I believe it … nothing good comes from the mouth of a dragon … 🤨

Concerned Virginian

WATCH OUT for any BACKGROUND CHECKS laws or RED FLAG laws to be tied to the national EMR (Electronic Medical Records) system.
So when you go to buy a firearm —get a CCW — renew your CCW — take advanced (civilian) training — you’ll be checked against the EMR.
Which means, if you EVER took an SSRI or any other psychiatric medicine for ANY reason and for ANY length of time, you could be DENIED the right to buy that pistol — get that CCW — renew that CCW — take the advanced training — or you could even have your CURRENTLY legally-owned firearm taken away from you.
The goal of the DemocratCommunistsIslamists here is to LEGALLY DECLARE, through the new Background Checks laws and Red Flag laws, ANY American to be “mentally ill” — not just the Connor Betts types!

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