Dwar MAGA: 20260405 Open Topic

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On this day and every day –

God is in Control
. . . and His Grace is Sufficient, so . . .
Keep Looking Up


Hopefully, every Sunday, we can find something here that will build us up a little . . . give us a smile . . . and add some joy or peace, very much needed in all our lives.

“This day is holy to the Lord your God;
do not mourn nor weep.” . . .
“Go your way, eat the fat, drink the sweet,
and send portions to those for whom nothing is prepared;
for this day is holy to our Lord.
Do not sorrow,
for the joy of the Lord is your strength.”


Why have You forsaken Me?

“And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” (Matthew 27:46, KJV). This cry is a fulfillment of Psalm 22:1, one of many parallels between that psalm and the specific events of the crucifixion. It is difficult to understand in what sense Jesus was “forsaken” by God. It is certain that God approved His work. It is certain that Jesus was innocent. He had done nothing to forfeit the favor of God. As God’s own Son—holy, harmless, undefiled, and obedient—God still loved Him. In none of these senses could God have forsaken Him.

The prophet Isaiah says this about the Messiah: “Surely he took up our pain and bore our suffering, yet we considered him punished by God, stricken by him, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed” (Isaiah 53:4–5). Jesus redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us (Galatians 3:13). He was made a sin-offering, and He died in our place, on our account, that He might bring us near to God. It was this, doubtless, that intensified His sufferings and part of why Jesus said, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” It was the manifestation of God’s hatred of sin, in some unexplained way, that Jesus experienced in that terrible hour. The suffering He endured was due to us, and it is that suffering by which we can be saved from eternal death.

In those awful moments, as evil men were allowed to do whatever they wanted to Jesus, our Lord expressed His feelings of abandonment. God placed the sins of the world on His Son, and Jesus for a time felt the desolation of being unconscious of His Father’s presence. It was at this time that “God made Him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God” (2 Corinthians 5:21).
(https://www.gotquestions.org/forsaken-me.html)


The verse from Matthew 27:46 is a powerful cry from Jesus as He hung on the cross. It reflects profound sorrow and despair as Jesus addresses God the Father, expressing a feeling of abandonment in His moment of great suffering. The original Aramaic phrase, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” translates to “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” These words reveal the depth of anguish Jesus experienced, making it one of the most heart-wrenching moments in the Gospels. This moment illustrates the weight of sin that Jesus bore during His crucifixion, as He took on the sins of the world for our sake.

In the context of Christianity, this verse holds immense significance. It not only points to the physical pain Jesus endured but also represents the spiritual separation from the Father that He faced in this moment. We must remember that even in His solitude and pain, Jesus continued to trust in God’s ultimate plan for redemption.
(https://scripturesavvy.com/matthew-27-46/)


This was a real forsakenness. That is why. “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” means he really did. He really did. He is bearing our sin. He bore our judgment.

The judgment was to have God the Father pour out his wrath, and instead of pouring it out on us, he pours it out on him. That necessarily involves a kind of abandonment. That is what wrath means. He gave him up to suffer the weight of all the sins of all of his people and the judgment for those sins.

We cannot begin to fathom all that this would mean between the Father and the Son. To be forsaken by God is the cry of the damned, and he was damned for us.
(https://www.desiringgod.org/interviews/my-god-my-god-why-have-you-forsaken-me-didnt-jesus-already-know)


It was not mere bodily anguish that elicited it; it arose from some incalculable affliction of soul. He was bearing the sins of the whole world; the Lord had laid on him the iniquity of us all; there was no one to comfort him in his heaviness; and the light of God’s countenance was for the time withdrawn from him. He was “left” that he might bear man’s sins in their full and crushing weight, and by bearing save. Yet there is no despair in this lamentable outcry. He who could thus call upon God has God with him, even in his utter loneliness. “Amid the faintness, or the confusion of mind, felt at the approach of death, he experiences his abandonment by God; and yet his soul rests firmly on, and his wilt is fully subject to, God, while he is thus tasting death for every man through God’s grace …. He held firmly to God and retained the Divinity of his life, at the time when in his unity with mankind, and in his human feeling, the feeling of abandonment by God amazed him” (Lange). The verb “forsaken” is not in the perfect tense, as translated in the Authorized Version, but in the aorist; and it implies that during the three hours of darkness Christ had been in silence enduring this utter desolation, which had now come to its climax. The Man Christ Jesus asked why he was thus deserted; his human heart would fain comprehend this phase of the propitiatory sufferings which he was undergoing. No answer came from the darkened heaven; but the cry was heard; the unspeakable sacrifice, a sacrifice necessary according to the Almighty’s purpose, was accepted, and with his own blood he obtained eternal redemption for man.
(https://biblehub.com/matthew/27-46.htm)


We were all blind and couldn’t see,
Chained by sin – yearning to be free.
He bore our sin and paid our debt
With His blood at Calvary.

The stone was moved – an empty tomb,
He rose and lives to reign on high.
And one Great Day we’ll arise
To meet Him in the sky.

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cthulhu

On this Day of Days….Thank You, bakocarl for bringing us The Word.

Valerie Curren

Amen!

TheseTruths

Thsnk you for a very powerful message that expresses things in a way I had not considered before.

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gil00

Ha!

pgroup2

He is risen. Happy Easter Sunday.

It doesn’t get any better than this – eternity with our Father.

TheseTruths

Amen. He is risen indeed! Happy Easter!

Valerie Curren

Because He lives!

Brave and Free

Amen!

TheseTruths

“WE GOT HIM!” President Trump Releases Statement on Rescue of Fighter Pilot
Full statement from President Trump:

WE GOT HIM! My fellow Americans, over the past several hours, the United States Military pulled off one of the most daring Search and Rescue Operations in U.S. History, for one of our incredible Crew Member Officers, who also happens to be a highly respected Colonel, and who I am thrilled to let you know is now SAFE and SOUND! 

This brave Warrior was behind enemy lines in the treacherous mountains of Iran, being hunted down by our enemies, who were getting closer and closer by the hour, but was never truly alone because his Commander in Chief, Secretary of War, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and fellow Warfighters were monitoring his location 24 hours a day, and diligently planning for his rescue. 

At my direction, the U.S. Military sent dozens of aircraft, armed with the most lethal weapons in the World, to retrieve him. He sustained injuries, but he will be just fine. 

This miraculous Search and Rescue Operation comes in addition to a successful rescue of another brave Pilot, yesterday, which we did not confirm, because we did not want to jeopardize our second rescue operation. This is the first time in military memory that two U.S. Pilots have been rescued, separately, deep in Enemy Territory. 

WE WILL NEVER LEAVE AN AMERICAN WARFIGHTER BEHIND! The fact that we were able to pull off both of these operations, without a SINGLE American killed, or even wounded, just proves once again, that we have achieved overwhelming Air Dominance and Superiority over the Iranian skies. 

This is a moment that ALL Americans, Republican, Democrat, and everyone else, should be proud of and united around. We truly have the best, most professional, and lethal Military in the History of the World. GOD BLESS AMERICA, GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS, AND HAPPY EASTER TO ALL!

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TheseTruths

BREAKING: AN EASTER MIRACLE! Second Pilot from Downed F-15 Fighter Jet RESCUED In Iran By U.S. Forces Following BRUTAL and INTENSE Fight With Iranian Terrorists (VIDEOS)
A summary by Jennifer Griffin:

Fox News can confirm that the 2nd crew member of the downed F15E fighter jet has been rescued and he and the members of the rescue team that extracted him from behind enemy lines in Iran are all safely out of Iran. That according to two senior US officials and multiple well placed sources in the region. The Weapons Systems Officer ejected along with the pilot when their F15E Strike Eagle they were flying was struck Thursday night (early Friday local time) in southwest Iran. 

The WSO used the SERE (Survival, Evasion, Resistance, and Escape) training to evade capture, hiding on an elevated ridge after hiking away from the wreckage and putting out an emergency beacon.) US Special Operations rescue forces to include PJs (United States Air Force Pararescuemen (PJs) and many layers of elite rescue forces took part in the complex, layered mission to both find the crew member and also keep the Iranian forces who were hunting the American weapons system operator at bay.

There are videos that have appeared from local eyewitnesses that show what appear to have been  injured and dead Iranian members of the IRGC and Basij who were looking for the downed American crew member.

Fox has learned there was fighting on the ground but no Americans killed during the operation. “It was a very complex operation to retrieve the downed service member,” a well placed source briefed on the operation told me. Many different branches of the US military were involved in the rescue.

Fox News can confirm the A10 Warthog that crashed Friday was involved in providing cover for the rescue teams searching for the pilot. That A10 crashed in Kuwait (first reported by ABC Friday) but the A10 pilot managed to eject safely and was rescued.

There was destruction of aircraft which have sensitive equipment on board, I am told, all part of this complex CSAR (Combat Search and Rescue) mission. The F15E was pretty much destroyed on impact.

Two rescue helicopters were hit by enemy fire on Friday and crew members onboard were injured by enemy fire but managed to make it out of Iran. There were a lot of elements to this rescue, I am told.

gil00

Irgc and others wanted a trophy pretty bad. They got smoked!

cthulhu

The missing WSO from the shot-down USAF F-15E is now safe and back in American hands. An officer involved in monitoring the CSAR in southern Iran describing the aviator’s incredible tenacity: “He evaded up a 7k ridge. They’ve been schwackin’ dudes chasing him all day. Was nuts.”…

— Toby Harnden (@tobyharnden) April 5, 2026

cthulhu

In a final twist after the weapons officer was rescued, two transport planes that would carry the commandos and the airmen to safety got stuck at a remote base in Iran. Commanders decided to fly in three new planes to extract all the U.S. military personnel and the airmen, and they blew up the two disabled planes rather than have them fall into Iranian hands.

pgroup2

We have remote bases in Iran?

I must be really slow.

kalbokalbs

No X 2.

eilert

SECOND U.S. PILOT RESCUED WITH HELP FROM IRANIANS – IRGC HUMILIATED

U.S. special forces pulled off one of the most audacious extractions in recent history hours ago, rescuing the F-15E Weapon Systems Officer (WSO) deep in the Iranian mountains after his jet was shot down on Friday. The WSO evaded IRGC hunters for nearly 48 hours using survival training.

Iranian civilians in Dehdasht flooded the streets, physically blocking roads and delaying IRGC and Basij convoys racing to capture him. Anti-regime locals bought precious time amid widespread hatred for the mullahs.

U.S. teams set up a temporary forward base inside Iran for the high-risk operation, which involved firefights and heavy air cover. When two transport planes got stuck, commanders flew in replacements and destroyed the disabled aircraft on-site to prevent them falling into IRGC hands. Both crew members are now safe. Trump called it historic.

This is what Tousi is referring to:

People were seen driving along the road to Dehdasht, Kohgiluyeh and Boyer-Ahmad province, to search for a missing US pilot after an American F-15 crashed in the area, a video shows. Trump later said the second pilot was rescued early on Sunday, April 5.

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pgroup2

Wouldn’t it make sense to bomb the wreckage, in order to make sure there are no souvenirs to get?

kalbokalbs

They may have bombed the F-15 wreckage. Certainly drones and manned AC determined the damage to F-15 crash site. Along with “value” of souvenirs, left behind.

C-130s left behind were destroyed – blown up and burned. Video somewhere with what appears to be C-130 burned up, blown apart…

gil00

Happy Easter to you all!

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Valerie Curren

Thank you for sharing this moving account of aspects of Jesus’ sacrifice for us.

I’ve heard it told differently, in that by His recitation of “My God, my God why have you forsaken me?” Jesus was actually quoting the beginning of the 22 Psalm & would thus be telling his hearers that that Psalm was being fulfilled by Him as He was crucified.

14 
I am poured out like water,
    and all my bones are out of joint.
My heart has turned to wax;
    it has melted within me.
15 
My mouth[d] is dried up like a potsherd,
    and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth;
    you lay me in the dust of death.
16 
Dogs surround me,
    a pack of villains encircles me;
    they pierce[e] my hands and my feet.
17 
All my bones are on display;
    people stare and gloat over me.
18 
They divide my clothes among them
    and cast lots for my garment.

30 
Posterity will serve him;
    future generations will be told about the Lord.
31 
They will proclaim his righteousness,
    declaring to a people yet unborn:
    He has done it!

Christ is Risen, He is Risen Indeed!

cthulhu

My limited understanding is that God cannot die — and, thus, certain elements of Godhood had to be withdrawn from Jesus on the cross. Among these were Knowing all of time; the tripartite nature of the Godhead; and the full nature of God’s plan of redemption.

Having these integral parts of his nature alienated from him was a physical, mental, and spiritual shock with a heavy dose of confusion. Jesus would not be human if he didn’t call out, “My God, my God why have you forsaken me?” — but it was important that He be fully human at this time to bear this burden.

Soon after those words passed His lips, He died and His soul passed out of His body. The Trinity pulled itself back together, unforsaken, and the great plan of redemption was activated.

On Easter, He is risen, and the great plan of redemption is open to all.

Valerie Curren

Interesting insights. I believe that All of us have limited understanding in these things. Mine is that Jesus was always fully God AND fully Man. This is a profound mystery. In humbling Himself as a man He emptied Himself…

Here’s a part of Philippians 2 that seems relevant 🙂

In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:

Who, being in very nature[a] God,
    did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;

rather, he made himself nothing
    by taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
    being made in human likeness.

And being found in appearance as a man,
    he humbled himself
    by becoming obedient to death—
        even death on a cross!

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Philippians%202&version=NIV

Valerie Curren

Easter Blessings to all Q-Treepers, in Jesus Love 

eilert

How many will be able to do such a selfie in 10 years’ time?

eilert

A very good animation of Lunar, Apollo and Artemis orbital mechanics:

kalbokalbs

Fascinating stuff. Three minutes in. Back, shortly.

Edit. Really cool stuff. Learned a lot. Prolly missed a lot. Nice graphics.

Steve, at least in my case, had a great knack for making stuff like this, understandable, for the likes of Slow Guy.

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eilert

Thanks to our 

@NASAArtemis

 II astronauts for working on the weekend!

The fourth day of their mission brought more crew preparations for Monday’s trip around the Moon and stunning new images from their vantage point. What views are you most excited to see?

eilert

NASA Solar System@NASASolarSystem

Apr 4

(2/4) As Orion flies by the Moon, the crew will lead an hours-long lunar observing campaign. They’ll spot and describe delicate-looking lunar landforms, including some never before directly observed by human eyes, adding nuance & context to decades of orbital & surface data.

NASA Solar System@NASASolarSystem

Apr 4

(3/4) Microgravity adds an extra challenge: because the Artemis II crew is floating in space, there’s no such thing as a fixed “up”, “down” or “sideways”. So, they’ll use big lunar landmarks to orient themselves and help them find subtler features on the Moon’s surface.

NASA Solar System@NASASolarSystem

Apr 4

(4/4) Try a version of this out for yourself: search for a satellite image of an area familiar to you, and flip it upside down. Is it easier or harder to pinpoint specific locations on the flipped map? Are there obvious features you can find first, to help you know where to look?

barkerjim

Thank you, Carl!!! AMEN!!!

kalbokalbs

BREAKING: President Trump drops EPIC post and says there will be a press conference with the military in the OVAL OFFICE at 1PM, Monday

LFG

“We have rescued the seriously wounded, and really brave, F-15 Crew Member/Officer, from deep inside the mountains of Iran. The Iranian Military was looking hard, in big numbers, and getting close. He is a highly respected Colonel. This type of raid is seldom attempted because of the danger to “man and equipment.” It just doesn’t happen! The second raid came after the first one, where we rescued the pilot in broad daylight, also unusual, spending seven hours over Iran. An AMAZING show of bravery and talent by all! I will be having a News Conference, with the Military, at the Oval Office, on Monday, at 1:00 P.M. God Bless our great MILITARY WARRIORS! President DONALD J. TRUMP”

kalbokalbs

HOLY CRAP! President Trump just revealed the U.S. sent firearms to the Iranian protestors through the Kurds

“We sent guns to the protesters, a lot of them…And I think the Kurds took the guns.”

Cook the regime!

Generational victory incoming

kalbokalbs

Trump sent guns for Iranian protestors (Patriots), via Kurds.

Belief is Kurds kept the guns. <<< Bad, bad move by the Kurds.

pgroup2

When are people going to learn?

In the Middle East, everybody lies. Not all the time but you never know when.

PAVACA

He is Risen!

Happy Easter to one and all!

kalbokalbs

If Iran does NOT blink, tomorrow night will be, lit. literally.

Perhaps warped sense of humor day, Monday.
BOGO – (Buy One Get One). Just for Iran – BOGO – Bomb One Get One.   :wpds_shock: 

TwoFer Day In Iran. Complete with AND logic.

Bridges AND Power Plants.

PAVACA

Yours Truly will not post links from https://www.theburningplatform.com/ that are not related to health. IMO, The Burning Platform is no longer what it once was.

Here is one of the health-related links from there today — Caution: graphic video clips:

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kalbokalbs

Incredible effort. ThreeFer.

TradeBait2

I saw that and could not believe my eyes. Three times, same guy, same game. Angels better sign him to an extension. 😀

kalbokalbs

NEW:

“If they don’t make a deal and fast, I’m considering blowing everything up and taking over the oil,” President Trump told me.

President Trump added that he believes he’ll be able to get a deal with Iran by tomorrow.

barkerjim