2022·11·19 Joe Biden Didn’t Win Daily Thread

A More Serious Blurb About Mountains

Of course someone took exception to my characterizing the more prominent bumps in the terrain east of Kansas as “stupid.”

Well, every once in a while I decide to go through the exercise of being as obnoxious about Colorado as Texans are about Texas.

But it is looking more and more like Boebert will be re-elected. So maybe it wasn’t all in vain. (Of course my little ramble had absolutely nothing to do with her victory, so, well yes, it was in vain.)

So let me try to be a little more serious now, though in talking about geology I am in a realm where I have almost zero formal education and therefore much more likely to end up on the wrong side of the handlebars, or out ahead of my skis.

Mountains. Where do they come from? After all if the Earth is billions of years old (and it is), and it had mountains when it started (which, really, it didn’t), it should be glass-smooth by now from erosion with all continents worn down to sea level. (I was about to say it should look like a cue ball, but a cue ball is actually rougher than the Earth, for its size.)

So clearly mountains formed after the Earth did; well afterwards in fact. And as it happens there are mountains forming right now. And all are eroding away (even the ones that are forming) as we speak.

What’s going on here?

Well, let’s start our little tour with the Appalachians.

It was pointed out last Saturday that in spite of current appearances, the Appalachians are indeed mountains, albeit very much in the geological nursing home. According to my very surface-level research, the Appalachians first formed in the Orodovician period roughly 480 million years ago, from plate collisions between the future North America and something called the Iapetus ocean. What’s left of these mountains is largely old seabeds, rumpled up and pushed into the sky over a span of millions of years, then eroded. This range was as high as today’s Alps and Rockies (and therefore not stupid). These mountains were in the middle of the old supercontinent of Pangaea. An episode of mountain building is called an “orogeny” (and I’ve sometimes seen the term used to refer to the location where it happened/is happening) and this was the “Taconic orogeny.” A later episode in the late Carboniferous/early Permian periods, covering 325-260 million years ago, is the Alleghanian orogeny. (Yes, it’s Alleghanian, not Alleghenian as one might expect. Apparently a certain geologist couldn’t spell…) Of course over hundreds of millions of years they eroded. And here is an interesting fact…the rocks that make up mountains are a bit lighter than the “mantle” rocks below our continents, so they actually, in a way, float. If you pile them up, they tend to sink into the mantle rock (which is slightly elastic thanks to its high temperature). In other words, mountains are like icebergs, most of them are below the surface. If a foot of rock erodes off the top of a mountain, the mountain will rise something like 10-11 inches to reach equilibrium, so to actually permanently shorten a mountain by a foot you have to erode ten feet off the top. But of course that only works if the mountain isn’t still being uplifted!

But what causes the uplift?

In a word…okay, two words…plate tectonics.

The entire surface of the earth is divided up into “plates.” Some of the plates are entirely ocean floor, a relatively thin layer of basaltic rock, which is heavy. Others have continental crust, a much thicker layer of lighter rock…which is why mountains are like icebergs. Most plates that have continental crust have a great deal of ocean crust too, with the continent largely if not entirely surrounded by ocean crust. If you’ve ever looked at one of those maps that shows underwater features, you’ll see around the margin of every continent, a shallow sea floor, then an abrupt drop down to deep ocean. That shallow sea floor is “continental shelf” and is geologically part of the continent even though it’s under water. The deeps are ocean floors.

The major tectonic plates. Although some of them correspond well to continents, many are almost purely ocean floor. And note that part of Siberia is on the North American plate.

The places where plates come together–the seams–are “plate boundaries” and are also fault zones. Fault zone as in “earthquake.”

The reason mountains exist is that these tectonic plates move. The red arrows on the diagram above show the direction of motion in a number of locations.

If the plates cover all of the surface of the earth, how do they move? It’s like having one of those sliding block puzzles (arrange the numbers 1-15 in order…you know, that kind), but with no open hole to move blocks into.

Well, that’s an interesting story! And it happens, geology would make no damned sense without the answer to that question.

So let’s take a look at a few cases.

The Himalaya mountains (definitely VSG or genius level mountains) are still being built; they’re the result of the Indian plate being pushed into the Eurasian plate. In a head-on collision the continental crust has nowhere to go, so it goes up. The Himalayas are damned tall, and getting taller. Although erosion is acting on them, the uplift is faster than the erosion, resulting in a net increase in height.

Moving on to the Andes, a similar thing is going on, except that they aren’t the result of two continental plates making a head on collision, but rather of an ocean plate being pushed under a continental plate, down into the mantle. This results in a chain of volcanoes as the light sediment on the subducted ocean crust melts and forces its way to the surface as magma (molten rock)–again, its crustal rock and is lighter than the mantle, and is what’s going on under Japan and Alaska (and Indonesia and Kamchatka and the Pacific Northwest).

That’s how the plates can move. An ocean plate will be pushed under a continental plate, down into the Earth’s mantle, this is called “subduction.”

These are two of the three major ways mountains form. The third is a little less prominent…unless you look under the oceans. When you do that, you discover the longest mountain range on Earth. The main part of this is the Mid Atlantic Ridge, and it is a place where ocean floor plates move away from each other. Basically, magma wells up along a long rift in the ocean floor, and solidifies, some of it becomes part of the ocean crust attached to North and South America, and some becomes attached to Europe and Africa. It’s a bit like a conveyor belt, moving the Americas away from the Old World.

Iceland is actually on this ridge and represents a place where more than the usual amount of magma comes up through the rift (we’ll come back to that later). Reykjavik is actually on the part of Iceland that is, geologically, part of North America, while the eastern two thirds or so of the island is geologically part of Europe. The rift runs right through Thingvellir park (Icelandic spelling: Þingvellir), near where the original Icelandic Althing met. (The Althing is the Icelandic parliament, and it has been a going concern since 930. That is not a typo; it’s the oldest parliamentary body in the world.)

Once, North America and Europe were joined, and South America and Africa were joined. But then for some reason, deep inside the earth, the continents were slowly, inexorably tugged apart. A rift began to form; the land inside that rift simply began to sink (it wasn’t a gigantic crack through all that rock), until it dropped below sea level, then a shallow sea was there and as the continents moved further apart, finally a deep ocean, the Atlantic, formed, with the Mid Atlantic ridge where the rift originally was. And the continents are still moving apart. (We can actually measure this in real time thanks to GPS and lasers–they move apart about as fast as your fingernails grow.)

Right now, Africa has a new “rift valley” running a bit east of center down the continent, starting with the Red Sea then coming ashore at Djibouti (which is measurably sinking), down through the “Rift Valley” and through all those big (and deep!) lakes, Victoria, Malawi, Tanganyika…The continent is literally splitting apart. Lake Baikal in Siberia is another example of a rift feature.

The Pacific Ocean is one large plate, with smaller plates around the edges, almost none of it continental crust. But one exception we’re all aware of is Baja California and part of the US state of California. As the Atlantic spreads, the Pacific must shrink and the continents are moving into the Pacific. The Pacific ocean floor is getting pushed under the continents around its margin, which is where the “Ring of Fire” comes from.

As I said the Pacific isn’t just one big plate, and there are more mid-ocean ridges in the Pacific. But their net effect is to simply produce ocean crust that’s going to get pushed under North and South America and Asia even faster, because that crust is moving towards the continents, head on. There are two ridges in the eastern Pacific (i.e., the parts nearest the Americas), the Juan de Fuca near the Pacific Northwest, and the East Pacific Rise, a couple of thousand miles off the coast of South America. The plates to the east of the East Pacific rise are the Cocos and Nazca plates, and the Nazca plate subduction under South America is what is pushing the Andes up.

In fact, plate tectonics explains almost all volcanos and mountain ranges on Earth, and it might interest you to know that we did not understand plate tectonics in 1960. As a kid I had a book about volcanoes, and it was maybe twelve years old and totally out of date. It said, in essence, that we didn’t know why volcanoes showed up where they did and not other places. The entire science of geology went through a revolution during that decade. I’ve seen videos of college professors who were students during that time, describing what it was like to be getting into the field during such a time–it was exciting! (And perhaps I can tell that story, sometime.) It represented the final vindication of Alfred Wegener.

Alfred Wegener (1880-1930) is famous for suggesting that the continents move. It explained a lot of things, such as matching rock formations and fossils on either side of the Atlantic, to say nothing of how the outlines almost look like puzzle pieces, especially if you look at the edges of the continental shelves.

But the problem was, no one could see how the continents could just plow through the ocean crust. Wegener was considered a crackpot. The correct answer–that the ocean floor isn’t something continents have to plow through, it’s a conveyor belt carrying the continents with it–finally became clear during the 1950s and 1960s, long after Wegener had died.

These edge-of-tectonic-plate effects account for almost all volcanoes and mountain ranges…which means not all of them. A couple of prominent exceptions are Hawaii, and the Rocky Mountains. But even there, plate tectonics helps explain them.

We can start by taking a look at the Pacific Plate (and adjoining plates).

You’ll notice in the upper right the Juan de Fuca plate (and ridge), and at the mid-right edge the Nazca and Cocos plates. Easter Island, it turns out, owes its existence to these tectonic forces, as do the Galapagos islands (unlabeled, but a couple of hundred miles south of the junction of the Nazca, Cocos and Pacific plates).

Hawaii is smack dab in the middle of the upper part of the plate (it’s shown in very low contrast outline), and the forces that create volcanoes and mountains generally operate at the edges of plates. Hawaii is thousands of miles from such an edge. So how is it that the Big Island–which is a humongous multi-peaked volcano, which if measured from the ocean floor on which it rests, is taller than Mount Everest (thus, distinctly unstupid) is way the heck out there?

Well, there’s another feature of geology, somewhat related to mid ocean ridges, known as hot spots.

There is, apparently, a “hot spot” deep underground in the interior of the Earth, that has been pushing magma upwards for tens of millions of years. The Pacific plate is moving northwest over this hot spot. The Big Island is over it now, but in the past, Maui and Oahu were. They’re no longer active volcanos and have been eroding away ever since which is why the Hawaiian islands get smaller the further away they are from the Big Island. In fact, the island chain continues clear out to Wake Island. Beyond Wake Island, there’s a long line of undersea mounts…former islands running off to the west-northwest of Hawaii…then suddenly, as you follow it further west and further into the past, it turns north. The Pacific plate was once moving northward, then abruptly turned west, and you can follow the line of travel over the hot spot by following those undersea mounts–which are now called the Emperor Seamounts

So yes, plate tectonics doesn’t tell you why Hawaii is there…but it does explain why there’s a long string of islands and former islands there, rather than just one really, really big volcano in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. (Imagine what it would look like if ALL of that vulcanism happened at the same spot on the Pacific Ocean floor, rather than along a line.)

That diagram shows you the other conundrum–the Rockies, too, are nowhere near a plate boundary. You can see the Colorado Rockies, halfway down near the right side, and distinctly reddish from their altitude. The San Andreas in California is the plate boundary, and it’s actually two plates sliding sideways past each other, rather than away from each other or into each other, which makes for not much mountainbuilding and actually, milder earthquakes. (California quakes are nothing next to things like the Chilean, Alaskan and Japanese earthquakes along subduction zones; the two worst earthquakes reliably measured were in Alaska and Chile in the 1960s; the Fukushima-wrecking quake wasn’t that far behind.)

The Pacific plate actually touches a continent in two places, Alaska and California. There’s no mid ocean ridge off the coast of California.

But with a little imagination, you can see that perhaps once upon a time the East Pacific rise and the Juan de Fuca ridge were connected…but the connection has been overrun by North America as it moves west away from the Mid Atlantic ridge!

In fact, geologists strongly suspect this is what’s going on, and they call the old, combined but now subducted plate the Farallon plate. An actual mid-ocean ridge ended up under North America, and it’s perhaps only a couple of hundred miles under North America, and still spewing magma down there. And that is what pushed up the Rockies. Give it long enough, and it might just put mountains in Kansas, because Kansas will eventually be over that old, buried midocean ridge. (However, the bit about the ridge still operating down there is a bit speculative; most geologists seem to think it’s all due to the old Farallon plate being at a fairly shallow depth and friction causing the uplift.)

The Rockies, by the way, are estimated to have once been 25,000 feet tall, with a large Tibet-like plateau at 20,000 feet, but they stopped being pushed up roughly 55 million years ago (that was the “Laramide Orogeny”) and have been eroding ever since. Ten thousand feet in 50 million years.

One last thing. Is that Hawaiian hot spot particularly unusual? Yes and no. There are plenty of hot spots, but they tend to be on mid ocean ridges and rift zones, in fact they probably help continents break up and form those ridges and rifts in the first place. Iceland is an example, but there are other mid-Atlantic islands like the Azores, St. Helena, Tristan da Cunha and so on that are likely hot spots albeit not as strong as Hawaii–those are all on the Mid Atlantic ridge. Hawaii is unusual in being nowhere near a ridge.

But there’s another hot spot nowhere near a ridge or rift valley, and that’s Yellowstone. And there’s a key difference between it and Hawaii–it’s under a continent. When Hawaii erupts, it erupts, basically, molten basalt and that tends to be a gentle eruption. The hot spot under Yellowstone, by contrast, heats up granitic rock. Molten granite is much thicker, gooier stuff and will erupt explosively…which is why when Yellowstone goes, it’s a Big Deal, an absolute catastrophe for the world. When it goes, it doesn’t just destroy a mountain…it takes a huge chunk out of a mountain range. And it will probably trigger an ice age all by itself, after dumping several feet of ash over something like a million square miles. (Honestly, I want to be on Mars when this thing goes kablooey!)

Remember that terrain map of Colorado I showed you last week? Here’s the one for Idaho from the same site (geology.com). (All of my maps from last week besides the congressional district one were from geology.com.)

Note the big, flat floored valley running in an arc across the southern part of the state. And also note that instead of the mountains framing that valley as was the case for Colorado’s San Luis Valley, the valley looks like it was bulldozed across or perpendicular to the riges. And then, remember what’s off that northeast corner…Yellowstone. Meet the bulldozer.

That valley was literally blasted out of those mountains, by Yellowstone. North America is moving west-southwest over the hot spot, and every time Yellowstone blows, a bit more of that broad valley is formed, it gets cut deeper and deeper into the Rocky Mountains.

Now here’s the thing I realized (and if I can realize it as I go further and further over the edge of my skis, then actual geologists have probably thought of it and either laughed because they know some reason (that I don’t) that makes it ridiculous, or they’ve actually thought about it for at least five seconds.

I mentioned hot spots tend to be found around ocean ridges (and also rift valleys, which are how continents split and form those ridges to begin with). And that in large part really, it’s the hot spots that cause the ridges not the other way around (so of course there’s an association). I’ve also mentioned the crazy thought that the Farallon plate and its border ridge is under North America, still acting like a ridge even though it’s buried, and pushing up mountains.

What if Yellowstone was actually, many millions of years ago, a hot spot on that rift?

Anyhow, this was probably more than you wanted to know about mountains, genius level down to stupid, and even a bit about the short-tempered ones that blow their stacks.

I just hope I didn’t mangle the geology too badly.

The Real Fascist is His Fraudulency Joe Biden*

*Or whoever has his hand rammed up that meat puppet’s ass.

Brandon (which I will use as a term for whoever is the power behind the Porcelain Throne) has thrown down the gauntlet…but in a way where most of America will never see it. The networks didn’t carry his tirade. CNN air brushed it (or whatever you call editing the red background) for its five viewers (who aren’t trapped in airports).

Luckily for me I live in Colorado, and therefore, despite my best efforts, I probably didn’t vote for Donald Trump.

Of course, for this purpose who I actually did try to vote for will be essential, and they undoubtedly know.

Come and get us, asswipes!

Justice Must Be Done.

The prior election must be acknowledged as fraudulent, and steps must be taken to prosecute the fraudsters and restore integrity to the system.

Nothing else matters at this point. Talking about trying again in 2022 or 2024 is hopeless otherwise. Which is not to say one must never talk about this, but rather that one must account for this in ones planning; if fixing the fraud is not part of the plan, you have no plan.

Small Government?

Many times conservatives (real and fake) speak of “small government” being the goal.

This sounds good, and mostly is good, but it misses the essential point. The important thing here isn’t the size, but rather the purpose, of government. We could have a cheap, small tyranny. After all our government spends most of its revenue on payments to individuals and foreign aid, neither of which is part of the tyrannical apparatus trying to keep us locked down and censored. What parts of the government would be necessary for a tyranny? It’d be a lot smaller than what we have now. We could shrink the government and nevertheless find it more tyrannical than it is today.

No, what we want is a limited government, limited not in size, but rather in scope. Limited, that is, in what it’s allowed to do. Under current circumstances, such a government would also be much smaller, but that’s a side effect. If we were in a World War II sort of war, an existential fight against nasty dictatorships on the brink of world conquest, that would be very expensive and would require a gargantuan government, but that would be what the government should be doing. That would be a large, but still limited government, since it’d be working to protect our rights.

World War II would have been the wrong time to squawk about “small government,” but it wasn’t (and never is) a bad time to demand limited government. Today would be a better time to ask for a small government–at least the job it should be doing is small today–but it misses the essential point; we want government to not do certain things. Many of those things we don’t want it doing are expensive but many of them are quite eminently doable by a smaller government than the one we have today. Small, but still exceeding proper limits.

So be careful what you ask for. You might get it and find you asked for the wrong thing.

Political Science In Summation

It’s really just a matter of people who can’t be happy unless they control others…versus those who want to be left alone. The oldest conflict within mankind. Government is necessary, but government attracts the assholes (a highly technical term for the control freaks).

A Few Things We Cannot Blame on His Fraudulency

I am pretty sure Joe Biden had nothing whatsoever to do with the 30 Years War that ran from 1618-1648 and probably killed about a third of the people then living in what is now Germany.

Nor did he cause the collapse of either Roman empire (Western, 476 CE, Eastern 1453 CE). Nor the ignominious failure of most of the Crusades. Nor the collapse of Bronze Age civilization around 1200 BCE (including the collapse of the Minoans and the blowup of Santorini).

However, my utter lack of ability to imagine how he could possibly be responsible for these things is not a valid argument against them, so I await correction if appropriate.

His Truth?

Again we saw an instance of “It might be true for Billy, but it’s not true for Bob” logic this week.

I hear this often, and it’s usually harmless. As when it’s describing differing circumstances, not different facts. “Housing is unaffordable” can be true for one person, but not for another who makes ten times as much.

But sometimes the speaker means it literally. Something like 2+2=4 is asserted to be true for Billy but not for Bob. (And when it’s literal, it’s usually Bob saying it.) And in that sense, it’s nonsense, dangerous nonsense. There is ONE reality, and it exists independent of our desires and our perceptions. It would go on existing if we weren’t here. We exist in it. It does not exist in our heads. It’s not a personal construct, and it isn’t a social construct. If there were no society, reality would continue to be what it is, it wouldn’t vanish…which it would have to do, if it were a social construct.

Now what can change from person to person is the perception of reality. We see that all the time. And people will, of course, act on those perceptions. They will vote for Trump (or try to) if their perception is close to mine, and vote against Trump (and certainly succeed at doing so) if their perception is distant from mine (and therefore, if I do say so, wrong). I have heard people say “perception is reality” and usually, that’s what they’re trying to say–your perception of reality is, as far as you know, an accurate representation of reality, or you’d change it.

But I really wish they’d say it differently. And sometimes, to get back to Billy and Bob, the person who says they have different truths is really saying they have different perceptions of reality–different worldviews. I can’t argue with the latter. But I sure wish they’d say it better. That way I’d know that someone who blabbers about two different truths is delusional and not worth my time, at least not until he passes kindergarten-level metaphysics on his umpteenth attempt.

Lawyer Appeasement Section

OK now for the fine print.

This is the WQTH Daily Thread. You know the drill. There’s no Poltical correctness, but civility is a requirement. There are Important Guidelines,  here, with an addendum on 20191110.

We have a new board – called The U Tree – where people can take each other to the woodshed without fear of censorship or moderation.

And remember Wheatie’s Rules:

1. No food fights
2. No running with scissors.
3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
4. Zeroth rule of gun safety: Don’t let the government get your guns.
5. Rule one of gun safety: The gun is always loaded.
5a. If you actually want the gun to be loaded, like because you’re checking out a bump in the night, then it’s empty.
6. Rule two of gun safety: Never point the gun at anything you’re not willing to destroy.
7. Rule three: Keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire.
8. Rule the fourth: Be sure of your target and what is behind it.

(Hmm a few extras seem to have crept in.)

(Paper) Spot Prices

Last week:

Gold $1,772.30
Silver $21.80
Platinum $1037.00
Palladium $2,132.00
Rhodium $14,450.00

This week, 3PM Mountain Time, markets have closed for the weekend.

Gold $1,752.20
Silver $21.05
Platinum $988.00
Palladium $2,020.00
Rhodium $14,150.00

Everything is down for the week, a bit, unsurprising given the huge jump last week.

Obligatory PSAs and Reminders

China is Lower than Whale Shit

Remember Hong Kong!!!

Whoever ends up in the cell next to his, tell him I said “Hi.”

中国是个混蛋 !!!
Zhōngguò shì gè hùndàn !!!
China is asshoe !!!

China is in the White House

Since Wednesday, January 20 at Noon EST, the bought-and-paid for His Fraudulency Joseph Biden has been in the White House. It’s as good as having China in the Oval Office.

Joe Biden is Asshoe

China is in the White House, because Joe Biden is in the White House, and Joe Biden is identically equal to China. China is Asshoe. Therefore, Joe Biden is Asshoe.

But of course the much more important thing to realize:

Joe Biden Didn’t Win

乔*拜登没赢 !!!
Qiáo Bài dēng méi yíng !!!
Joe Biden didn’t win !!!

They Haven’t Suffered Enough… Trump, the Economy, and Generation Z

As I watched and listened to Trump last night, I was reflecting on what had just happened in the midterms, and what it all means for 2024.

Trump spoke about how voting would be “different” in 2024. That things would change. Those comments led me back to this:

“An Edison Research National Election Pool exit poll showed that 18-29s were the only age group in which a strong majority supported Democrats. Support for Democrats was even higher among Black youth at 89% and Latino youth at 68%.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/nov/11/young-voters-us-midterms-democratic-youth

This morning, I read more about the Gen Z voters:

“Why did these young people feel motivated enough to go and vote against their interests and keep the country on a downward trajectory? Do they like rising crime, high inflation, mass illegal immigration, homeless encampments, high gas prices, and a shrinking economy? Did they really think Biden would pay off their student loans? Are they just brainwashed zombies who comply with the narratives of TikTok?

Based on my extensive experience as an English teacher, I would say that yes, the average Gen Z American is largely indifferent to important issues that affect the country, even ones that affect their general quality of life. Every day, I witness their lack of reasoning skills and personal drive. This in turn causes them to be disturbingly introverted and handle most of their interactions with people through social media. Many have no real community or deep-seated beliefs and act more on feelings than principle.”

https://thefederalist.com/2022/11/16/why-did-gen-z-turn-out-to-vote-for-democrats-and-against-their-own-interests/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=why-did-gen-z-turn-out-to-vote-for-democrats-and-against-their-own-interests

I agree with the premise that most young people are soft, and mostly indifferent to the bigger world. Parents coddle them, and nobody ever calls them out. Well, almost nobody 🙂 There’s me.

My grand kids are smart and pretty conservative. The article above about how soft Gen Z is made me think back to a conversation I had recently with my 15-year-old granddaughter, who now has her first boyfriend. Her Mom had told me about him, so when I say my grand, I asked “how’s your boyfriend?” She gave me the big innocent eyes and said “I don’t have a boyfriend.” My response, which would be pretty typical of my, was “oooh, so now you’re gonna bullshit me?”

She giggled sheepishly, and a few days later when I asked about the boyfriend, she just told me how it was going.

Most of these young people are NEVER challenged by anyone. They never are expected to be forthright, do anything for themselves, or be honest. They are CODDLED by the entire system, and allowed to just drift along.

After reading about Gen Z and their “zombie-fication,” I found another article (inadvertently) addressing another part of the problem with this age group:

“The cause of the election loss is relatively simple — Americans have not suffered enough pain with this economy — yet. 

Inflation hits everyone — it is an indiscriminate irritant that impacts people regardless of class, race, or any other social divider.  It is bad, everyone knows the actual rate of inflation is higher than what the government has reported. Inflation is experienced every day, on every shopping trip. Over a third of the country saw their retirement funds take hits that will require years to recover from as the stock market attempted to react to the inflationary spending out of Washington, D.C. 

The problem is, that while inflation is frustrating, Americans haven’t felt the real pains of a down economy. Inflation is something that people manage.  They purchase less, or change what they spend money on.  Instead of purchasing an expensive six-pack of craft beer, people will buy a less expensive beer.  Rather than buy steak, they will purchase alternatives to ease the pain.  The number of nights eating out is reduced or the restaurants that are chosen are less expensive. The bottom line is that no one is starving as a result of the current inflation. Inflation is a force that can be mitigated — it can be coped with. “

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2022/11/americans_havent_suffered_enough.html

And well, yes, this is true, to some extent.

But this led me to another realization. The Demographics of the midterms reflect not just having “not suffered enough,” but the lack of MEMORY of suffering.

This is from CNN, but it can be found everywhere. In 2022, 18-29 year olds broke +38 Democrat, 30-44 year olds 19+ Dem. But 45-64 broke 10+ Republican, and 65+ broke 12+ Repub.

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2022/politics/exit-polls-2022-midterm-2018-shift/

I think the breakdown above, especially the 18-29 year old cohort, can be explained by that lack of the memory of suffering.

In 2008, the last big American “crash” of major impact, the oldest of this group would have been only 15 years old. At that age, you have no house to provide for, no savings to protect. You may have a part-time job, but no career to save. Your parents are a shield from most of the hard times.

The 30-44 year old group is too young to remember the Carter years and the aftermath. They don’t have the memory of gas lines, 15% interest home loans, or the “put on a sweater” messages, etc. that came with that downturn.

Most people old enough to have memories of what that kind of economy is like voted to get us off this train before we get to that destination.

Of course, there was cheating, as always. But these demographics are important, and are what Trump is speaking about when he says the voting will CHANGE in 2024. He knows how hard the times are going to get. He knows where the economy is headed over the next two years. The layoffs have already started, food continues to skyrocket, fuel is still ridiculous and likely to climb higher. People will get hungry and more desperate as time goes on.

By the time 2024 rolls around, the 18-29’s will be two years older and will have experienced enough SUFFERING at the hands of the corrupt, inept, and insufferable Biden administration to turn to a competent adult for the solution to their pain. Because they ARE old enough to remember the “good old days” when Trump ran the economy and the suffering didn’t exist. Trump is smart enough to make the 2024 election about this excruciating economic pain, and not about social issues like abortion, which is why he didn’t mention it last night.

And that is why Trump will win in 2024.

TRUMP 2024!

Well, I hope I’m not stepping on any toes by putting up this thread, but today is, we hope, the BIG DAY! Trump teased us by hinting that he would make an announcement at J. D. Vance’s rally, but I think he wanted to make all the press show up for J. D. the night before the election.

Which seems like an eternity ago, to me, even though it was last week!

You can watch the announcement here on Rumble:

https://rumble.com/v1udtj8-live-president-donald-j.-trump-holds-special-announcement-at-the-mar-a-lago.html

Or here, on Youtube with RSBN:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DXoO8BFLCM

I hope to be around for at least part of the festivities! But I gotta go take care of a few things first.

Dear MAGA: 20221113 Open Topic

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On this day and every day –

God is in Control
. . . and His Grace is Sufficient, so . . .
Keep Looking Up


God’s Grace

The gospel message is the good news of God’s grace, so it is important to know what grace is and to constantly seek to get a better view of what grace does in our lives.

Grace is an essential part of God’s character. Grace is closely related to God’s benevolence, love, and mercy. Grace can be variously defined as “God’s favor toward the unworthy” or “God’s benevolence on the undeserving.” In His grace, God is willing to forgive us and bless us abundantly, in spite of the fact that we don’t deserve to be treated so well or dealt with so generously.

To fully understand grace, we need to consider who we were without Christ and who we become with Christ. We were born in sin (Psalm 51:5), and we were guilty of breaking God’s holy laws (Romans 3:9–20, 23; 1 John 1:8–10). We were enemies of God (Romans 5:6, 10; 8:7; Colossians 1:21), deserving of death (Romans 6:23a). We were unrighteous (Romans 3:10) and without means of justifying ourselves (Romans 3:20). Spiritually, we were destitute, blind, unclean, and dead. Our souls were in peril of everlasting punishment.

But then came grace. God extended His favor to us. Grace is what saves us (Ephesians 2:8). Grace is the essence of the gospel (Acts 20:24). Grace gives us victory over sin (James 4:6). Grace gives us “eternal encouragement and good hope” (2 Thessalonians 2:16). Paul repeatedly identified grace as the basis of his calling as an apostle (Romans 15:15; 1 Corinthians 3:10; Ephesians 3:2, 7). Jesus Christ is the embodiment of grace, coupled with truth (John 1:14).

The Bible repeatedly calls grace a “gift” (e.g., Ephesians 4:7). This is an important analogy because it teaches us some key things about grace:

First, anyone who has ever received a gift understands that a gift is much different from a loan, which requires repayment or return by the recipient. The fact that grace is a gift means that nothing is owed in return.

Second, there is no cost to the person who receives a gift. A gift is free to the recipient, although it is not free to the giver, who bears the expense. The gift of salvation costs us sinners nothing. But the price of such an extravagant gift came at a great cost for our Lord Jesus, who died in our place.

Third, once a gift has been given, ownership of the gift has transferred and it is now ours to keep. There is a permanence in a gift that does not exist with loans or advances. When a gift changes hands, the giver permanently relinquishes all rights to renege or take back the gift in future. God’s grace is ours forever.

Fourth, in the giving of a gift, the giver voluntarily forfeits something he owns, willingly losing what belongs to him so that the recipient will profit from it. The giver becomes poorer so the recipient can become richer. This generous and voluntary exchange from the giver to the recipient is visible in 2 Corinthians 8:9: “You know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, so that you through his poverty might become rich.”

Finally, the Bible teaches that grace is completely unmerited. The gift and the act of giving have nothing at all to do with our merit or innate quality (Romans 4:4; 11:5–6; 2 Timothy 1:9–10). In fact, the Bible says quite clearly that we don’t deserve God’s salvation. Romans 5:8–10 says, “God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. . . . While we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son.”

Grace does not stop once we are saved; God is gracious to us for the rest of our lives, working within and upon us. The Bible encourages us with many additional benefits that grace secures for every believer:

• Grace justifies us before a holy God (Romans 3:24; Ephesians 1:6; Titus 3:7).

• Grace provides us access to God to communicate and fellowship with Him (Ephesians 1:6; Hebrews 4:16).

• Grace wins for us a new relationship of intimacy with God (Exodus 33:17).

• Grace disciplines and trains us to live in a way that honors God (Titus 2:11–14; 2 Corinthians 8:7).

• Grace grants us immeasurable spiritual riches (Proverbs 10:22; Ephesians 2:7).

• Grace helps us in our every need (Hebrews 4:16).

• Grace is the reason behind our every deliverance (Psalm 44:3–8; Hebrews 4:16).

• Grace preserves us and comforts, encourages, and strengthens us (2 Corinthians 13:14; 2 Thessalonians 2:16–17; 2 Timothy 2:1).

Grace is actively and continually working in the lives of God’s people. Paul credited the success of his ministry not to his own substantial labors but to “the grace of God that was with me” (1 Corinthians 15:10). Grace is the ongoing, benevolent act of God working in us, without which we can do nothing (John 15:5). Grace is greater than our sin (Romans 5:20), more abundant than we expect (1 Timothy 1:14), and too wonderful for words (2 Corinthians 9:15).

As the recipients of God’s grace, Christians are to be gracious to others. Grace is given to us to serve others and to exercise our spiritual gifts for the building up of the church (Romans 12:6; Ephesians 3:2, 7; 4:7; 1 Peter 4:10).

2022·11·12 Joe Biden Didn’t Win Daily Thread

Joining The Herd Of Lemmings

I’ve had cause to consider a few things. Maybe we’re going about it the wrong way, and we need to ditch Trump

Yeah, NO

Trump all the way! Why? Because being hated by the people who hate him is a sign of impeccable character, that’s why.

The haters can go fuck themselves with rusty twelve gauge bore brushes. I’d prefer ten gauge but that’s kind of scarce, so…I’m willing to compromise.

The Election

There is quite a difference of opinion on whether this last election was a disaster or not. (There is much less disagreement on whether it would have been a disaster if only there were no fraud, although some have raised the point that there truly are huge swathes of people in this country with no damned sense, who would still make up a large voting block even if honestly counted.)

So, Steve, disaster, or not a disaster?

My answer: Yes.

YES, it is bad that we’re not going to be able to do much to stop the Bidenazi steamroller, at least not via Congress.

But also:

YES, it is good that we now know what we need to do.

And I mean a little more specifically than “win.” Of course we need to win, dumbass! But how do we win?

Well, we clean up the elections. We sort of knew that, but now we have information on how big a difference it makes, thanks to Florida, and Ohio. It makes a LOT of difference, which means it’s worth the effort.

It does NOT mean it will be easy. Or that the effort to make elections honest will ever end…because even once we succeed, we must be ever vigilant to ensure they stay that way. This is something that will never end though it does get a bit less intractable with each small victory.

Now, I’ll be honest and tell you I have no idea how we’re going to fix Colorado. Much less California. Congress is allowed to override the states on election rules for congresscritters, but as far as I know, they can do nothing about electing the state officials that do the cheating and of course built in cheating to ensure they will remain in office and be able to continue to cheat.

But there IS a goal that takes us closer to where we want to be. If only it isn’t too late.

Colorado

[Hopefully both entertaining and informative. Regional insults meant in good fun.

Well, mostly. :D]

One of our favorite congresswomen, Lauren Boebert, is in a bit of a tight spot right now. She’ll probably pull through…if only the recount that looks unavoidable is tolerably honest.

There has been a lot of misguided speculation about “Boulder” messing things up for her; I want to reassure you that “Boulder” can’t do anything about this. But the state government can, and guess where our (freshly re-elected) governor came from?

Colorado is a peculiar state for a number of reasons. Someone once came up with a mathematical algorithm to draw congressional district boundaries; you could go to his site and view maps of what his algorithm would have done. It does nothing but draw polygons such that every polygon has the same number of people in it; it doesn’t balance for political registration or racial composition or anything like that. It’s evenhanded though because the rules don’t change just because some asshole on some committee somewhere was able to be intransigent until other people gave him what he wanted.

The algorithm did some really freaky stuff in Colorado, and that’s because pretty much all of the population of the state is concentrated along a line. The algorithm starts by drawing a north-south line through the state, situated so it divides the population in half (if there are an even number of seats) and that line has to go right down the center of the line where all the people live. You end up with a district map that looks like a shattered pane of glass, pie wedges out to the edges of the state.

Anyhow, why? Why do people clump up like this in Colorado?

Time for some geography. Yes, I’m going to throw up a map. But not just an outline of the state (any kid can draw a rectangle).

The first thing you’ll notice is a shitload of mountains. The second thing you will notice is a shitload of flat land. Unless you are Arabic or Hebrew, in which case you read from right to left and you’ll pick up on things in the other order.

The transition from prairie–albeit rolling prairie, it’s not flat like Louisiana or Illinois between Chicago and St. Louis–and mountains is quite abrupt. (And these are serious mountains…you guys east of the Mississippi–hell, east of the Kansas state line–just shut up. Your “mountains” are stupid.)

The flat land may be a bit of a surprise to some; Colorado is famous for mountains, not prairie. Well, that’s because a lot of places do “flat,” and as I alluded, many of them do it far better than Colorado. Few places do mountains better than Colorado. We have far more “Fourteeners” (peaks higher than 14,000 feet) than any other state in the “lower 48” for for that matter all of the rest of them put together, even if those assholes in California had to scare up one damn mountain just to beat us.

Not a single fourteener…or thirteener…or twelver…or elevener…or tenner…or niner…or eighter…or sevener is to be found east of the Mississippi. Your tallest “mountain” barely reaches the bottom of my well…and I live in the prairie part of the state. (Like I said, your “mountains” are stupid.)

Many is the tourist, driving to Colorado from the east, who crosses the state line and says “so where are the mountains?” And they drive. And drive. Finally about 90 miles in, they start to see them…and they say, “oh. OH!”

Anyhow, if you live in Colorado, you eventually form a mental map of the state. There’s “the plains” (the eastern 2/5ths of the state). There’s “the mountains” (again obvious–sort of; it usually pertains to the highest bunches, in the southwest and north-central and central parts, where most of the fourteeners are). There’s “the San Luis Valley” which is the large flat area just to the left of center in the south. That IS flat as a plate, surrounded by mountains, about 7700 feet in elevation (well above the stupid eastern “mountains”), and tends to trap cold air during the winter.

But then you hear somewhat more obscure terms, like “Front Range” and “Western Slope.” What? OK, Western Slope is basically the western part of the state, west of the tall mountains where the Continental Divide is; so in general the land slopes downward to the west. The “Front Range” is the very easternmost line of mountains. That’s logical, European settlers came in from the east and that range is “in front of” all the ones beyond it.

But “The Front Range” doesn’t just apply to that particular mountain range, it applies to the line of cities along the Front Range. And that’s why our cities are in a line, they follow the Front Range and are themselves called “the Front Range” as well. The East is empty. In the northeast there’s dryland farming, and on the Arkansas river running east from Pueblo there’s also farming–Rocky Ford is famous for its melons. But population density is low. And that’s true up in the mountains. So basically everyone piles up along the Front Range.

There are some fairly sizeable cities elsewhere…most notably Grand Junction. If you look at the western edge of the map, halfway down you see a river in a flat-bottomed valley. Follow that river to the left/east a bit and it forks. That’s the “Grand Junction” the city is named after. Also, that county (which sort of looks like Idaho, rotated 90 degrees clockwise) is Mesa county, from which Tina Peters hails.

OK, time for another map. This one labels the counties. Because I’m going to have to name names.

You’ll notice that in general small counties are in the mountains, larger ones in flatter areas. And those mountain counties can have very low populations, sometimes less than a thousand people. Why so darn small? Because the original idea was to make sure that no matter where you lived, your county seat was less than a day’s horse ride away. A horse can cover less distance in the mountains. (So we tend to have small counties with even smaller populations.)

El Paso county…that’s the yellow one to the right of dead center…contains Pikes Peak (in that little knob on the western border). It contains Colorado Springs, at the foot of Pikes Peak, and it runs far enough east to contain a lot of that prairie. It is in a neck-and neck race with the City and County of Denver (that rather convoluted green blob a ways to the north of El Paso county–incidentally the north-eastern arm of it is Denver International Airport) for most populous county in the state. It will eventually win, because Denver just doesn’t have space to put lots of people.

El Paso County is pretty darned red, although a blue cancerous tumor has developed in downtown Colorado Springs.

Now for a rundown of the Front Range: Scroll down for a map that shows cities.

South of El Paso county is Pueblo County, old-style Democrat/union territory. Running north from Colorado Springs, you get to Douglas county and the booming town of Castle Rock, which will eventually merge with the Denver metro area. Denver Metro consists of most of Jefferson county, and the western parts of Adams and Arapahoe county, as well as Broomfield and Boulder. When I went to university in Boulder (oh, the Left hated my guts) there was a lot of open land on the highway between Denver and Boulder, and Broomfield was an exit you couldn’t see anything built on–it’s now filled in the whole way. So Boulder tends to think of itself as not part of Denver, but it has been absorbed. Larimer county, the eastern part, is where Fort Collins is located, and that rounds out the Front Range.

Our Congressional Districts

When I was in college, Colorado had five congressional districts. #1 was central Denver Metro. #2 was centered on Boulder but included large parts of Jeffco (as we call Jefferson County), #3 included Pueblo and most of the west, #4 included Fort Collins and most of the east…and #5 was centered on Colorado Springs.

This is largely still true today! Fort Collins has slipped into district 2 now, but other than that, those five districts are pretty much describable the same way now. But we have another three districts and they all ended up in Denver metro, possibly running out into the country. 1 is now pretty much just Denver itself, 6 is suburbs, 8 is suburbs plus the smaller cities running up towards Greeley (a fair amount of agriculture there), and 7 includes the southwest suburbs, but that wasn’t quite enough to make up an eighth of the population of the state so it gobbled up huge parts of the mountains including South Park (yes, that South Park, there really is such a place) to make up the tiny difference. Likewise with 2.

Boebert’s district 3 is, therefore, the “West Plus Pueblo” district. It’s vast; it’s one of the geographically largest congressional districts in the country. And (note), Boulder is nowhere near that district (it is just northwest of Denver, barely inside 2). And District 5, which has been tied to Colorado Springs since it was created, now no longer even covers all of El Paso county.

In fact, district 3 is farther away from Boulder than any other Colorado congressional district. And, alas, I do not live in it.

In closing a bit more fun at lowlanders’ expense.
(Come on, I have Jared Polis for a Governor and Jenna Griswold for a Secretary of State, and our elections are stupid; I gotta take it out on somebody. Why not a bunch of lowland swamp dwellers?*)

(I live for the day some crusty old guy (or gal) in Vermont calls me a “Flatlander,” which apparently is how they insult people from out of state who didn’t elect Bernie Sanders their senator–the insults should run the other way, methinks. Oh, and by the way their “mountains” are stupid.)

*I said lowland swamp dwellers. Not The Swamp that needs draining and gets capitalized.

Going back to physical geography…here’s that map again.

I’ve already mentioned the Colorado River which exits the state on the middle of the western side. That river goes through the Grand Canyon, then down the Arizona-Nevada and Arizona-California border, and then into the Gulf of Cortez (or California).

Running out the northeast corner is the Platte river, which runs along the length of Nebraska; it’s basically the river in Nebraska. It joins the Missouri river, which goes through Kansas City and St. Louis.

The middle of the south, down through the San Luis Valley? That’s the Rio Grande; yes, that Rio Grande, which separates Texas from Mexico, at least when our government will let it.

Out the east, three quarters of the way down, is the Arkansas River, which eventually runs through Tulsa, and Arkansas, and into the Mississippi.

It does seem like most of the Western US is downstream from me. Which should underscore the importance of not pissing me off. Because that runs downhill.

The RINO’s Dilemma

The RINOs who who have burrowed in and taken over most GOP organizations, from the state down to local organizations, have quite a dilemma on their hands, and most of them have their heads too far up their asses to realize it.

OK, I’m not talking about the liberal in a Republican area, who knows they’re in the wrong party, but is there because it’s the only game in their town; they hope to capture a nomination someday, at which point they’re guaranteed to be elected…otherwise, they never will be. These people are a hazard in any heavily conservative area.

No, I’m talking about the guys who are a little bit conservative and want to do some good by going into politics, and they’re in a closely matched area, closely enough that they can join the party they are most aligned with and still have a chance. They think the Democrats…particularly the ones who end up running for office…are nuts.

They don’t think much better of the Deplorable types, either. A bunch of bumpkins whose hearts are in the right place, mostly…OK a bit extreme. But they think Deplorables can’t understand that first you have to get elected, then work within the system to change things…a slow process. They genuinely want many of the things Deplorables want…just not as much. The government is spending too much. Or they need to spend money on highways instead of welfare for illegal immigrants. But they want to work within the system to get these things done.

Or maybe they think things are pretty close to ideal right now, and they want to nail it in place.

The problem is, that means they don’t stand for anything in particular. And it shows. They’re about as unappetizing to the electorate as a puddle of dog vomit. The folks in the middle, who they think they are appealing to because they themselves are not extreme, would honestly prefer a clear-spoken radical to someone who qualifies everything they say to the point where they sound like they don’t believe anything at all.

The problem these “Mild RINOs” have, is they just can’t see that. And the reason they just can’t see that, is their entire sense of self-worth is tied up in not seeing that. In their minds, they’ve worked tirelessly for their party, to keep those crazy Democrats out…only to have to constantly fight with a small number of crazy Republicans–who are only liabilities if they end up as candidates. They’ve fought the good fight, and if they can just find the right candidate, someone with some charisma, they might stop the crazies…without being too beholden to the OTHER crazies. In the meantime it’s not working. What’s a responsible guy in politics to do?

They simply cannot understand that the Republicans can’t succeed as the party of nothing in particular. Not really in the past, and certainly not today when people are starting to realize that no matter what they do in the voting booth, the country is still about to fly off a precipice. If they did see it, they’d suddenly have two choices: Go away and let the GOP succeed, or stay and fight. But “go away” isn’t really an option, because what’s the point of having a party now owned by the crazies, win?

Well, they have a dilemma…and WE, therefore have a problem. And we would have that problem even IF they realized that they had a problem…that they were the problem.

No one ever thinks they are the bad guy. Even Epstein probably thought he was the good guy. Right up to the moment where he didn’t kill himself.

So if you ever wonder why these unappetizing dufuses cling on even when their fingernails are being left behind…that’s why. They don’t understand no one wants them, and can’t imagine that no one should want them. And oftentimes their greatest pride is in all the hard work they’ve done for the party. They’re not going to give that up; it’d be psychological suicide.

If you’ve worked with these people, there’s a good chance you like them and consider some of them your friends. But even if so…we’re going to have to give them a good, hard shove. Because America is more important than those milquetoasts’ egos.

Justice Must Be Done

The prior election must be acknowledged as fraudulent, and steps must be taken to prosecute the fraudsters and restore integrity to the system.

Nothing else matters at this point. Talking about trying again in 2022 or 2024 is hopeless otherwise. Which is not to say one must never talk about this, but rather that one must account for this in ones planning; if fixing the fraud is not part of the plan, you have no plan.

Lawyer Appeasement Section

OK now for the fine print.

This is the WQTH Daily Thread. You know the drill. There’s no Poltical correctness, but civility is a requirement. There are Important Guidelines,  here, with an addendum on 20191110.

We have a new board – called The U Tree – where people can take each other to the woodshed without fear of censorship or moderation.

And remember Wheatie’s Rules:

1. No food fights
2. No running with scissors.
3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
4. Zeroth rule of gun safety: Don’t let the government get your guns.
5. Rule one of gun safety: The gun is always loaded.
5a. If you actually want the gun to be loaded, like because you’re checking out a bump in the night, then it’s empty.
6. Rule two of gun safety: Never point the gun at anything you’re not willing to destroy.
7. Rule three: Keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire.
8. Rule the fourth: Be sure of your target and what is behind it.

(Hmm a few extras seem to have crept in.)

Spot (i.e., paper) Prices

Last week:

Gold $1,682.60
Silver $20.98
Platinum $974.00
Palladium $1,950.00
Rhodium $14,300.00

This week, 3PM Mountain Time, markets have closed for the weekend.

Gold $1,772.30
Silver $21.80
Platinum $1037.00
Palladium $2,132.00
Rhodium $14,450.00

Two words: Holy Shit!!!! Gold up almost 90 bucks! Most of this is since the election.

Fuck Joe B*d*n

Due to complaints about foul language, I’ve censored the most objectionable word in the title of this section.

B*d*n, you don’t even get ONE scoop of ice cream today.

(Please post this somewhere permanent, as it will continue to be true; the SOB will never deserve a scoop.)

Obligatory PSAs and Reminders

China is Lower than Whale Shit

Remember Hong Kong!!!

https://youtube.com/watch?v=L3tnH4FGbd0

中国是个混蛋 !!!
Zhōngguò shì gè hùndàn !!!
China is asshoe !!!

China is in the White House

Since Wednesday, January 20 at Noon EST, the bought-and-paid for His Fraudulency Joseph Biden has been in the White House. It’s as good as having China in the Oval Office.

Joe Biden is Asshoe

China is in the White House, because Joe Biden is in the White House, and Joe Biden is identically equal to China. China is Asshoe. Therefore, Joe Biden is Asshoe.

But of course the much more important thing to realize:

Joe Biden Didn’t Win

乔*拜登没赢 !!!
Qiáo Bài dēng méi yíng !!!
Joe Biden didn’t win !!!

Lefty’s View of WWII, by Wild Bill

OK, straight up apologies, Dear Q-Treepers & Friends, for this likely stream of consciousness post very loosely inspired from our dear Daughn’s nostalgic posts. This is going to veer about in personal family history domains so is meant as a bit of a slice of Americana…

Detroit’s skyline as viewed from the Ambassador Bridge

Grandpa S. came to stay with us at some point for an extended stay while I still lived in my parents’ home. I think it was after my grandma had died but before I went away to college. Grandpa had been sick and so lived with us for a season as he regained his health & his strength. There were times he’d watch Price is Right with my brothers & I & encourage us to make guesses on the various games, which we all thoroughly enjoyed.

Grandpa was a bit of a gruff man having grown up in the Motor City & having a Northwoods lumberjack for a father. He was a self-made man of limited education, never having finished high school. An avid outdoorsman and good with his hands he knew how to work hard and he was respected and even loved by many people from practically all walks of life. He had deep practical wisdom & was even flexible in his lifestyle deciding to take up new hobbies as a widower, like candle AND candy making. He had a zest for life & perpetual twinkle in his eye!

Ty Cobb in 1913 in Detroit, the era when he let Grandpa & other kids into the ballpark by the back fence to watch the games for free!

Well one day while he was staying with us the phone rang unexpectedly. Being the oldest kid it fell to me to answer the call, as my parents weren’t home at the time. Some gravelly male voice on the other end of the phone was looking for a “Lefty” & I was concerned. The only “lefty” I could imagine would be some fictional gangster or ne’er-do-well. Anyway with tremulous voice I mentioned to Grandpa that someone was looking for “Lefty”. He snatched the phone from my hand & bellowed out in his own testosterone truncated tongue “Lefty here!” I was beyond flabbergasted, My Grandpa Was Lefty!!!

Obviously this was a pretty basic nickname for a man who was left-handed, especially growing up in an era when being left-handed was a “sinister” condition. Both he, my dad’s dad, AND my mom’s mom, were left-handed & suffered the indignities that went along with being different & the punishments typically meted out for errant usage of the “wrong” hand in those bygone days. Both of these grandparents had less than beautiful handwriting but were surely more ambidextrous than most. My youngest brother is also blessed with this left-handedness & it definitely contributed to some of his sporting successes, especially his ability to be a switch-hitter on his high-school baseball team! I think he was also more competent with both feet as a soccer player than were most teammates too.

Grandpa had been a pretty poor student during his formal education. In fact, after his death, when my parents were going through his things they discovered a lone report card saved from nearly 8 decades before. Apparently this “all S” card was the best he ever did. That was based on a grading system of U=Unsatisfactory, S=Satisfactory, & E=Excellent, I believe. Basically grandpa got the equivalent of an all-C, straight average report card & that was the treasure of the ages. How easily did the high marks of so many in our family line become blasé. We didn’t really understand what it was to suffer ridicule for poor marks, well most of us didn’t…

My dad is going over my post with me & said that on Grandpa’s report card there were 12 things to be graded on per marking. In the 1st card marking he got 4 S’s & the rest U’s. 2nd marking was 8 or 9 S’s the rest U’s. The final card marking he got all 12 S’s. My grandpa wrote on that report card “Best report card I ever had” & saved it all those years. Neither my dad nor his sister knew about that card before grandpa’s death.

Not Grandpa’s report card, but one from the era when he first attended school

Grandpa did throw things away, including stock certificates for companies that went belly up during the Depression, per my dad. He provided for his family during his lifetime & had less than $1,000 to his name when he died…& a new car that he called “my second to last car”. My brother got that late ’80’s Tempo after Grandpa’s passing.

Now according to my dad his dad had one of his grade school teachers as a regular customer at his gas station & garage in the heart of Detroit. Some three decades after she taught him she would berate him with “see I knew you’d never amount to anything” when she came to fill up or get some car service from him or his employees. Imagine being dogged like that as a self-made business man, yet Grandpa didn’t stint on the service in spite of the disrespect.

In fact dad is quite sure that Grandpa accepted Scrip during the war years, and my other grandpa, being a teacher, was paid in scrip too. It is quite likely that Grandpa S’s cruel elementary teacher paid in scrip AND much of that payment never was converted to Actual Money (I don’t know all the social reasons for that) so Grandpa took care of that teacher’s material needs even as she maligned his interpersonal & self-esteem ones. He truly was the bigger man.

Not my Grandpa’s gas station, but his brand in his era

When looking for possible images of Grandpa’s old Sunoco gas station at Junction & Toledo in Detroit I ran across this nostalgic discussion of old Detroit area gas stations.

https://www.atdetroit.net/forum/messages/6790/93948.html?1226175627

During the Second World War, at some point rationing was on. This meant that even in the Motor City it was hard to get what one needed to maintain functional transportation for the masses. Dad said that Grandpa had an old vulcanizing machine, that could be used to patch tires, and that his dad practically single-handedly kept Detroit on wheels! If he could have brought that machine with him to Northern Michigan when he retired it should have ended up in a museum, how significant was it’s contribution to keeping Detroit moving!

1945 Ration Book from the region, this example from Illinois

Speaking of Northern Michigan let’s segue a bit. My Grandpa’s dad had grown into manhood in the Northern Michigan lumbering industry, though he himself was a mid-Michigan farm boy. He left home, possibly even before his teen years to work in lumbering. He drove the horse-drawn wagons, worked as a lumberjack, and later was some type of foreman.

The company he worked for was owned by a Mr. Lowrey and at one point Lowrey’s son made his way into the woods to get his lumbering chops with the working guys. Apparently the lumberjacks were a pretty rough group of customers & Great-Grandpa took the boss’s son under his wing, showed him the ropes, AND protected him from the brutish thugs. This was noticed by the boss so later on when operations were moved South into Detroit Great-Grandpa was invited to come along and manage the lumber yard. That’s what he did for the rest of his working life. AND that is how that side of my family came to Detroit, right about 1900!

Logging in Michigan, 1890’s, when my Great Grandpa was still working in the Northern Michigan woods

Apparently Great Grandpa S. was a pretty tough customer too. He was tall, over 6 feet, with a fairly slender build. Even so, he was incredibly strong. One time Grandpa, as a young man, or even teen, had occasion to do some work at his dad’s lumber yard. There were train cars to be loaded or unloaded of 50 pound bags of cement, I believe. Grandpa would carry a bag in each hand & fling them in a smooth motion up to stack even over his head. Dad said that his father had very strong hands & even used to play handball at the Y in Detroit. Anyway G observed GG breaking up a fight amongst some unrulies in the lumber yard. When they wouldn’t stop the fight Great Grandpa stepped in & with One Blow Each felled each man. My grandpa was in shock that his dad could or would do that, this was someone not to mess around with!

Ironically my dad & his friends also experienced Grandpa’s physical & character strength for themselves. There was a time in their teen years that dad & his buddies took out the family car joy riding, over 50 miles of driving without ever leaving the Detroit city limits. Apparently Dad didn’t think to put more gas in the car so the next day as Grandpa was headed into work at His gas station, he ran out of gas. Grandpa somehow got a hold of Dad’s buddy & lifted him one handed off the floor & stuck him to the wall. What happened to Dad during that timeframe has always been rather murkily glossed over. I know my dad inherited this skill set for I once witnessed him lift up one of my brother’s cocky little friends up off the floor & stick him to the wall, though he used 2 hands in this surprising intervention on the now more subdued teen!

So we’ve had Michigan’s North Woods in our blood for a number of generations. Now fortunately my Grandpa S. married my grandma, the daughter of a railroad engineer–both of her parents were children of immigrants from the British Isles. Grandma’s dad had a fairly cushy job that he’d worked into on the Michigan Central Railroad. One of the perks of working for the railroad was getting the family to ride the rails, for free, I believe. Grandma’s family used to regularly travel Up North and enjoy Summer vacations in Michigan’s beautiful North Country, far from their native Detroit.

Historic Arbutus Beach, on Otsego Lake, MI in the era when my grandma’s family vacationed there

Eventually Grandma’s parents settled on a small community in Gaylord and bought a Cottage, being the first such building in the newly platted resort community of Arbutus Beach, along the beautiful sandy shore of Otsego Lake. Nearly all of Grandma’s siblings and many cousins ultimately obtained cottages in that community. My grandparents married in the late 1920’s and somehow acquired one of the existing Cottages in Arbutus Beach, as its second owners. My dad & his sister, along with their mother, spent virtually Every Summer of their childhood in that Northern Michigan paradise. Surrounded by family & friends they’d leave Detroit the day after school let out & only head home the day before school started in the Fall. Grandpa would join them for both journeys, I think because there was only one car. Grandma & the kids either caught the train to/from town or perhaps bummed rides from relatives with transportation.

How my great grandparents moved their cottage to Arbutus Beach, details here: https://specialconnections.wordpress.com/2017/06/29/josiahs-story-about-the-4th-of-july/

Now that same Cottage ended up becoming my grandparents’ retirement home, somewhat unexpectedly. Up until the Race Riot era of the late ’60’s both sets of my grandparents expected to live in their Detroit homes for the remainder of their natural lives. However during that season of social upheaval block-busting real estate agents put the pressure on & ultimately both sets of grandparents winterized Summer cottages to become their then retirement homes.

The simpler times of my dad’s youth saw Otsego Lake rarely shackled, as it is now, by excessive docks or boats

The Gaylord Cottage would figure largely in my own life too. When my new husband & I decided to come to Michigan–we had met & married in Oklahoma, though I was a child of the Motor City–we ended up living temporarily in The Cottage that was now in my parents’ possession after Grandpa’s death about a half decade previously. Michael & I lived in The Cottage as newly weds AND as new parents. Our first child, Nathaniel was born while we lived in The Cottage (his height is marked on the 4 generation height-recording doorjambs between the dining & living rooms at just One Day Old!) & was gifted the nickname “The Jack-Pine Savage” because of this northern naissance. In fact I believe our son is the Only family member in 6 generations of our extended family associated with this Northern Michigan community who was born in Gaylord, though several have died there. Though our twins were born while we still lived in that community–we had bought our own house in town by that time–they were in fact born downstate because of the high-risk nature of that pregnancy & their anticipated medical needs…

If you’d like to see a Newspaper article from back when Michael & I and the Boys lived in Gaylord in the 1990’s check it out here, on pages 1, 4, & 5:

http://207.74.70.101:8080/docushare/dsweb/Get/Document-6631/1996-11-07%20Thu%20Building%20Familes.pdf

Anyway, at one point when Michael & I were moving into The Cottage we boxed up some things to make room for some of our belongings. One day we were going through some old kids books and discovered some doodlings & writings by my dad. Apparently Dad had fancied himself some type of cowboy AND given himself the moniker Wild Bill! I absolutely Loved It!!!

Whenever watching that perennial classic A Christmas Story, I can imagine my dad as a lad in the 1940’s into the ’50’s with his admiration for all things cowboy & his gun prowess. I’m pretty sure that he was Up North when practicing targeting some strategic mushrooms on top of a log. However, unlike Steve’s important Saturday reminders, he forgot to notice what was Behind his target. So successfully hitting mushrooms with his BB gun sometimes meant tagging one of his playmates inadvertently as the projectiles maintained their forward trajectory. Simpler times…

Boy with gun in the 1950’s, not my dad but similar to his era

It’s impossible to anticipate what type of gems one might unearth in an old family home! Years ago there was a major garage cleaning undertaken by 3 generations of the family. At one point an old scorched ironing board cover, complete with it’s “scorchless” packaging was unearthed. After much conversation it was returned to the archeological dig to be unearthed years, or perhaps generations from now, so the joy & consternation at our family ways can continue!

Saving that old ironing board cover reminded Dad about his mom’s dad, the railroad engineer. Apparently Great-Grandpa T. used to collect stamps. He would meticulously organize them into small piles and tie them together with small pieces of string & place them strategically in old cigar boxes. Well he kept some container labeled “String Too Short To Save” for this stamp-corralling work, apparently because that was about all such short lengths of string were good for! If you knew how much my packratedness AND that of some other family members has tormented those who are more comfortable with much less physical (& other) baggage, you would recognized that “String Too Short To Save” isn’t always a badge of honor here!

Several books had similar titles, so this metaphor goes well beyond just our family perspective & experience–yikes!

So back to Lefty AND World War II. Dad & his sister have some direct memories of the war years, though they were still Very Young when it ended. Apparently they kept a pail of pure sand in the attic in case the house were ever bombed or hit with incendiary devices. They employed blackout curtains. Grandpa was sometimes involved in some type of neighborhood patrol, well Dad says that actually the next-door neighbor Mr. Bush was the Warden, who’d knock on your door if any light showed through the blackout curtains. They sounded an air raid siren for a drill in getting into blackout conditions & the Warden would patrol the neighborhood looking for any errant lights during that drill. Ration Books were in play & plenty of food was hard to get. Street Signs were removed to prevent the enemy, should he land on our shores, from easily navigating these foreign roads. And of course rationing meant deprivations in many arenas.

One place of deprivation was in the use of gasoline. Even Grandpa, who owned his own gas station business, could not get extra gasoline. That meant that when hunting season rolled around he wouldn’t be able to head Up North to the Hunting Shack to do the traditional annual deer hunting pilgrimage, or wouldn’t he? Actually he had some cousins who were farmers and apparently the government wasn’t rationing their access to gas in Any Way. So some of these cousins arranged to leave cans of gas strategically along the side of the road, hidden in the ditch, so Grandpa could gas up sufficiently to make it to his war-time limited hunting camp!

teaser historic post card from Luzerne, MI our guys rarely see this many deer in the region nowadays

By the way, how The Shack came into the family is a bit of an interesting tale too. Grandpa, his cousin, uncle, & some friends used to hunt the state or federal lands adjacent to a farmer’s land Up North. They’d done this for some years in a remote area in Oscoda County near the Very Small Town of Luzerne. Many times these hunters had begged the farmer to sell them a small amount of land so they could put up more permanent hunting camps than their tent-based camps of yesteryear. One time they invited the farmer to join them for a meal in the large dining tent. Their camp stove gave off a spark that ignited that tent AND it completely burned before they could un-stake all the ropes & drop the canvas to the ground. The farmer decided it was no way to live so relented & sold them One Acre, which was subdivided into 2 plots & 2 hunting shacks were built there, both still standing.

The shack across the street used to have a custom-made wood burned sign (recently stolen) claiming “Piscopalian Valley”, which is what our original hunters used to call the area since the piss would go in the pail before the hunting shacks AND outhouses were put in. In fact Grandpa’s uncle Will was known as “the Mayor of Piscopalian Valley” since he would make the rounds of the many nearby hunting camps AND the “blue horse trail” camp (the blue horse trail marks an equestrian path that traverses the fingers of Michigan’s Mitten–no NOT that Mitt!–from Lake Michigan to Lake Huron and makes navigating “our” hunting zone much more interesting) & pick up all the news of the hunt & the community–what a rich history abounded there & many tales live on!

Blue Horse Trail near Luzerne passes through the family hunting grounds

Speaking of news AND WWII the way Lefty learned about the end of the war was pretty amazing. Now I don’t ever recall hearing my grandpa tell this story, but Wild Bill has good recall of it. Apparently as The War was waning Grandpa went on an extended hunting or fishing adventure in the wilds of Canada, dad said that it was a fishing trip. He was walking along a portage trail in the woods & came across a carving on a tree trunk declaring the date & time of the end of the war in Europe AND he ran across this within two hours of someone carving it, literally out in the middle of nowhere! What an amazing world!

If only that WWII was the war to end all wars & love reigned supreme

Boy were our forbears hearty & blessed people. We are blessed to carry their blood in our veins & some of their quirkiness in our behaviors & of course some of their personality & physical traits in our beings, as they continue to live on, in a manner of speaking, in & through us.

From C.S. Lewis in his Chronicles of Narnia, as recounted here: https://silo.pub/pocket-companion-to-narnia-a-guide-to-the-magical-world-of-cs-lewis.html. HONOR — To seek honor in obedience and to behave honorably may be said to be one definition of a true Narnian. In PC [Prince Caspian]15, Caspian is ashamed that he comes of such a dishonorable (Telmarine) lineage. Aslan replies, “You come of the Lord Adam and Lady Eve. And that is both honor enough to erect the head of the poorest beggar and shame enough to bow the heads and shoulders of the greatest emperor on earth. Be content.”

Veteran’s Day Addendum

Honoring our warriors, especially on Veteran’s Day!

We all owe so much to the many who have made tremendous sacrifices to fight for & ensure ongoing degrees of freedom for their fellow man. The complexity of the tapestry of lives, lifestyles, & social & family dynamics can never fully be done justice. So many different ways our warriors & their families & friends have laid down their lives for the family of man. Thank you!

I come from a family without direct modern experience in military service & warfare. However I know of numerous serviceman in the extended family who answered the call. This listing is to honor their service & sacrifice & that of so many others who have stood in the gap on freedom’s and our nation’s behalf.

  • Orringh Stoddard, Captain Massachusetts Line, Revolutionary War
  • Husband Michael’s Hagerman ancestor, United Empire Loyalist
  • Friedrich Bluemle, Mom’s birth great grandfather, compulsory German military service before immigrating to America mid 1800’s
  • Michael’s relations, both sides service Civil War, fractured family & fractured nation
  • William E. Curren, US Army Signal Corp, late 1800’s
  • Clarence E. Curren, Virginia Ship Building Co., WWI Navy
  • Patrick L., Husband’s father’s uncle, WWII Nave Sea Bee, construction battalion
  • Verner R. Shoup, Hubby’s grandfather & son of CO governor Oliver H. Shoup, WWI Army
  • David O. M., Mom’s birth grandfather, WWI Army
  • Robert D. M., Mom’s birth father, WWII Marine, action in Tarawa & beyond
  • Avis B. B., Mom’s birth mother, WAC WWII, service in Alaska & beyond
  • Thurman T., Grandma’s brother, WWII, machinist, Manhattan Project
  • Hugh T., Grandma’s brother-in-law, WWII Army medical doctor
  • Maynard K., Mom’s brother, Korea-era Naval service, injured medical discharge
  • Zachary S., my nephew, Marine in modern service
My ancestor Orringh Stoddard’s letter February 3, 1780 preserved in George Washington’s papers, https://www.loc.gov/resource/mgw4.064_0179_0180/

May the Lord continue to equip us all with the tools we need to keep fighting the good fight!

Vignette of my Uncle Hugh’s military service, from his obituary “Dr. Thompson was a US veteran, serving with the US Medical Corps for three and a half years. He was captain of the 32nd Field Hospital in Italy. After VE Day, he was sent to the Philippines and Japan.” He moved his wife & kids into their Northern Michigan cottage while he was overseas during WWII, being concerned for their safety had they remained in their Detroit home during his extended absence. Service & Sacrifice!

http://otsego.advantage-preservation.com/viewer/?k=hugh%20thompson&i=f&d=01011903-12312013&m=between&ord=k1&fn=herald_times_usa_michigan_gaylord_19911024_english_23&df=1&dt=10&cid=2955 has further details on Dr. Hugh Thompson’s career & photos.

Dear KMAG: 20221106 Open Topic

This Rejoice & Praise God Sunday Open Thread, with full respect to those who worship God on the Sabbath, is a place to reaffirm our worship of our Creator, our Father, our King Eternal.

It’s also a place to read, post, and discuss news that is worth knowing and sharing. Please post links to any news stories that you use as sources or quote from.

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On this day and every day –

God is in Control
. . . and His Grace is Sufficient, so . . .
Keep Looking Up

God’s Mercy

God being merciful basically means that, when we deserve punishment, He doesn’t punish us, and in fact blesses us instead. Mercy is the withholding of a just condemnation. Throughout the Bible, God gives many illustrations of His mercy. God fully demonstrates His mercy in Jesus Christ.

God was merciful to the wayward Solomon in 1 Kings 11:13. God was merciful to Israel in captivity (Psalm 106:45; Nehemiah 9:31). David illustrated God’s mercy when he showed kindness to Mephibosheth (2 Samuel 9:7). God’s mercy was illustrated every year on the Day of Atonement, when the high priest entered the Holiest Place and sprinkled the blood of the sacrifice before the mercy seat (Leviticus 16:14).

Another illustration of God’s mercy is found in Matthew 18:23–27. In this parable, Jesus describes a rich ruler who was owed a large sum of money. The ruler ordered that money be collected, but then the debtor came and begged for mercy. The ruler, in turn, graciously forgives the debt. Here’s the point: we owed God a debt we could never repay, and He has freely forgiven us that debt in Christ! Interestingly, after the ruler in the parable forgives the debt, the person who owed the money refuses to forgive someone else. The ruler then judges that ungrateful person. God requires us to be merciful and forgiving to others here on earth (see Matthew 6:15). We who have been forgiven so much have no right to withhold forgiveness from others.

Mercy is coupled with other attributes of God in Psalm 86:15, “You, O Lord, are a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness” (ESV). God’s mercy is rooted in His love for us. He is merciful, in large part, because He is love (1 John 4:8). As sinners, we deserve punishment (Romans 3:23). God’s righteousness requires punishment for sin—He wouldn’t be holy otherwise. Since God does love us and is merciful, He sent His Son (John 3:16). The fullness of His mercy is seen in Matthew 27. Jesus is brutally beaten and murdered on our behalf; Jesus received our just condemnation, and we received God’s mercy.

Because of His love for us, God wants us to be with Him. His mercy is required for that to take place; there is an inseparable connection between God’s love and mercy. Jesus laid down His life and became the sacrificial lamb (Isaiah 53:7; John 1:29) so that God’s mercy could be extended to us. Instead of punishing us for our sin, God allowed His Son to take the condemnation in our place. That is the ultimate act of God’s mercy (see Ephesians 2:4–5). To our eternal benefit, “mercy triumphs over judgment” (James 2:13b).


Have mercy upon me, O God,
According to Your lovingkindness;
According to the multitude of Your tender mercies,
Blot out my transgressions.
Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity,
And cleanse me from my sin.

For I acknowledge my transgressions,
And my sin is always before me.
Against You, You only, have I sinned,
And done this evil in Your sight—
That You may be found just [a]when You speak,
And blameless when You judge.

Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity,
And in sin my mother conceived me.
Behold, You desire truth in the inward parts,
And in the hidden part You will make me to know wisdom.

Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean;
Wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.
Make me hear joy and gladness,
That the bones You have broken may rejoice.
Hide Your face from my sins,
And blot out all my iniquities.

Create in me a clean heart, O God,
And renew a steadfast spirit within me.
Do not cast me away from Your presence,
And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.

Restore to me the joy of Your salvation,
And uphold me by Your generous Spirit.
Then I will teach transgressors Your ways,
And sinners shall be converted to You.

Psalm 51:1-13


Let us seek the Joy of our Salvation and use that joy to remind us to Keep Looking Up.

Dear MAGA: 20221030 Open Topic

This Rejoice & Praise God Sunday Open Thread, with full respect to those who worship God on the Sabbath, is a place to reaffirm our worship of our Creator, our Father, our King Eternal.

It’s also a place to read, post, and discuss news that is worth knowing and sharing. Please post links to any news stories that you use as sources or quote from.

In the QTree, we’re a friendly and civil lot. We encourage free speech and the open exchange and civil discussion of different ideas. Topics aren’t constrained, and sound logic is highly encouraged, all built on a solid foundation of truth and established facts.

We have a policy of mutual respect, shown by civility. Civility encourages discussions, promotes objectivity and rational thought in discourse, and camaraderie in the participants – characteristics we strive toward in our Q Tree community.

Please show respect and consideration for our fellow QTreepers. Before hitting the “post” button, please proofread your post and make sure you’re addressing the issue only, and not trying to confront the poster. Keep to the topic – avoid “you” and “your”. Here in The Q Tree, personal attacks, name-calling, ridicule, insults, baiting, and other conduct for which a penalty flag would be thrown are VERBOTEN.

In The Q Tree, we’re compatriots, sitting around the campfire, roasting hot dogs, making s’mores, and discussing, agreeing, and disagreeing about whatever interests us. This board will remain a home for those who seek respectful conversations.

Please also consider the Guidelines for posting and discussion printed here: 
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On this day and every day –

God is in Control
. . . and His Grace is Sufficient, so . . .
Keep Looking Up

God Controls

God is in charge

God is in complete control of the universe. A belief in God’s control is distinct from fatalism, which denies human free will. Humans are able to make genuine choices that have real consequences. God does not directly cause everything to happen, yet He does allow all that occurs to happen. And, ultimately, God’s will is going to be accomplished. At first, these statements may seem unimportant to our daily lives and better suited for an esoteric theological discussion. However, God’s control is practical and has a significant impact on our daily lives.

God’s plan and will impacts everyday life in that they remove all cause for worry. We can trust that what the Bible claims about God’s character is backed up by His ability. Not only does God love us, but He has the ability to care for us. Those who are part of the family of God can claim the promise in Romans 8:28, “And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.” We can rest in the fact that our God is actually able to work all things for our good, even when we cannot readily see how that may happen.

God’s control impacts everyday life in that we can trust God’s sanctifying work in us. Many times Christians feel that maturing in the faith is completely up to them, as if God saves us and then expects us to do the rest. We Christians do play a role in our own maturity. We are certainly called to obedience, and what we do matters and has consequences. However, in recognizing that God is sovereign, we also trust Him to bring us to maturity (see Galatians 3:3 and Philippians 1:6).

Looking to Romans 8 again, we read, “For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified. What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us” (Romans 8:29–34).

Our salvation has been God’s sovereign plan from eternity past. Rather than focus on our own performance, we can rest in the character of God and focus instead on actually getting to know Him.

God’s control also affects how we make decisions. We recognize that God is in control, so we don’t need to be paralyzed by decision-making. If we make the wrong decision, all is not lost. We can trust in God’s faithfulness and His ability to set us back on the right course.

We can and should make decisions. God’s control doesn’t mean that we sit idly by and allow life to happen. It means we can go bravely into life, trusting that our loving Father sees the larger picture and is faithfully working everything for His glory.

God’s control impacts our sense of identity. When we understand how powerful God is and how much He loves us, we can know we are secure in Him. As the objects of God’s sovereign love, we allow God to define us and give us our worth rather than look to the changing ideals of the world. When we understand that God is in complete control, we are freed to live our lives. We don’t need to fear ultimate failure or final destruction (Romans 8:1).

We don’t need to fear worthlessness. We can be confident that God will have His way and that it will be good. We can trust that the One who says He loves us is fully able to act on that love in all ways. We can trust that, even when the world seems completely out of control, God is in control. We know He has the big picture covered, so we can trust Him with our daily details.


I hold a simple view of God being in control.

God has the power . . . He spoke the whole universe into existence.

God has the knowledge . . . He knows the number of hairs on our heads and declares the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done.

God has the will to act . . . His counsel shall stand, and He will accomplish all His purpose, and not even a sparrow will fall to earth outside His will.

God has our best interest in mind . . . His plans for us are for good and not for disaster, to give us a future and a hope, and God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.

For what more could we ask?


Rejoice in the Lord, O you righteous!
For praise from the upright is beautiful.
Praise the Lord with the harp;
Sing to Him with an instrument of ten strings.
Sing to Him a new song;
Play skillfully with a shout of joy.

For the word of the Lord is right,
And all His work is done in truth.
He loves righteousness and justice;
The earth is full of the goodness of the Lord.

By the word of the Lord the heavens were made,
And all the host of them by the breath of His mouth.
He gathers the waters of the sea together [b]as a heap;
He lays up the deep in storehouses.

Let all the earth fear the Lord;
Let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of Him.
For He spoke, and it was done;
He commanded, and it stood fast.

The Lord brings the counsel of the nations to nothing;
He makes the plans of the peoples of no effect.
The counsel of the Lord stands forever,
The plans of His heart to all generations.
Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord,
The people He has chosen as His own inheritance.

The Lord looks from heaven;
He sees all the sons of men.
From the place of His dwelling He looks
On all the inhabitants of the earth;
He fashions their hearts individually;
He understands all their works.

No king is saved by the multitude of an army;
A mighty man is not delivered by great strength.
A horse is a false hope for safety;
Neither shall it deliver any by its great strength.

Behold, the eye of the Lord is on those who fear Him,
On those who hope in His mercy,
To deliver their soul from death,
And to keep them alive in famine.

Our soul waits for the Lord;
He is our help and our shield.
For our heart shall rejoice in Him,
Because we have trusted in His holy name.
Let Your mercy, O Lord, be upon us,
Just as we hope in You.

Psalm 33

2022·10·29 Joe Biden Didn’t Win Daily Thread

RINOs an Endangered Species?
If Only!

According to Wikipoo, et. al., the Northern White Rhinoceros (Ceratotherium simum cottoni) is a critically endangered species. Apparently two females live on a wildlife preserve in Sudan, and no males are known to be alive. So basically, this species is dead as soon as the females die of old age. Presently they are watched over by armed guards 24/7.

Biologists have been trying to cross them with the other subspecies, Southern White Rhinoceroses (Rhinoceri?) without success; and some genetic analyses suggest that perhaps they aren’t two subspecies at all, but two distinct species, which would make the whole project a lot more difficult.

I should hope if the American RINO (Parasitus rectum pseudoconservativum) is ever this endangered, there will be heroic efforts not to save the species, but rather to push the remainder off a cliff. Onto punji sticks. With feces smeared on them. Failing that a good bath in red fuming nitric acid will do.

But I’m not done ranting about RINOs.

The RINOs (if they are capable of any introspection whatsoever) probably wonder why they constantly have to deal with “populist” eruptions like the Trump-led MAGA movement. That would be because the so-called populists stand for absolutely nothing except for going along to get along. That allows the Left to drive the culture and politics.

Given the results of our most recent elections, the Left will now push harder, and the RINOs will now turn even squishier than they were before.

I well remember 1989-1990 in my state when the RINO establishment started preaching the message that a conservative simply couldn’t win in Colorado. Never mind the fact that Reagan had won the state TWICE (in 1984 bringing in a veto-proof state house and senate with him) and GHWB had won after (falsely!) assuring everyone that a vote for him was a vote for Reagan’s third term.

This is how the RINOs function. They push, push, push the line that only a “moderate” can get elected. Stomp them when they pull that shit. Tell everyone in ear shot that that’s exactly what the Left wants you to think, and oh-by-the-way-Mister-RINO if you’re in this party selling the same message as the Left…well, whythefuckexactly are you in this party, you lying piece of rancid weasel shit?

Justice

It says “Justice” on the picture.

And I’m sure someone will post the standard joke about what the fish thinks about the situation.

But what is it?

Here’s a take, from a different context: It’s about how you do justice, not the justice that must be done to our massively corrupt government and media. You must properly identify the nature of a person, before you can do him justice.

Ayn Rand, On Justice (speaking through her character John Galt, in Atlas Shrugged):

Justice is the recognition of the fact that you cannot fake the character of men as you cannot fake the character of nature, that you must judge all men as conscientiously as you judge inanimate objects, with the same respect for truth, with the same incorruptible vision, by as pure and as rational a process of identification—that every man must be judged for what he is and treated accordingly, that just as you do not pay a higher price for a rusty chunk of scrap than for a piece of shining metal, so you do not value a rotter above a hero—that your moral appraisal is the coin paying men for their virtues or vices, and this payment demands of you as scrupulous an honor as you bring to financial transactions—that to withhold your contempt from men’s vices is an act of moral counterfeiting, and to withhold your admiration from their virtues is an act of moral embezzlement—that to place any other concern higher than justice is to devaluate your moral currency and defraud the good in favor of the evil, since only the good can lose by a default of justice and only the evil can profit—and that the bottom of the pit at the end of that road, the act of moral bankruptcy, is to punish men for their virtues and reward them for their vices, that that is the collapse to full depravity, the Black Mass of the worship of death, the dedication of your consciousness to the destruction of existence.

Ayn Rand identified seven virtues, chief among them rationality. The other six, including justice, she considered subsidiary because they are essentially different aspects and applications of rationality.

—Ayn Rand Lexicon (aynrandlexicon.com)

Justice Must Be Done.

Trump, it is supposed, had some documents.

Biden and company stole the country.

I’m sure enough of this that I put my money where my mouth is.

The prior election must be acknowledged as fraudulent, and steps must be taken to prosecute the fraudsters and restore integrity to the system. (This doesn’t necessarily include deposing Joe and Hoe and putting Trump where he belongs, but it would certainly be a lot easier to fix our broken electoral system with the right people in charge.)

Nothing else matters at this point. Talking about trying again in 2022 or 2024 is pointless otherwise. Which is not to say one must never talk about this, but rather that one must account for this in ones planning; if fixing the fraud in the system is not part of the plan, you have no plan.

This will necessarily be piecemeal, state by state, which is why I am encouraged by those states working to change their laws to alleviate the fraud both via computer and via bogus voters. If enough states do that we might end up with a working majority in Congress and that would be something Trump never really had.

Lawyer Appeasement Section

OK now for the fine print.

This is the WQTH Daily Thread. You know the drill. There’s no Poltical correctness, but civility is a requirement. There are Important Guidelines,  here, with an addendum on 20191110.

We have a new board – called The U Tree – where people can take each other to the woodshed without fear of censorship or moderation.

And remember Wheatie’s Rules:

1. No food fights
2. No running with scissors.
3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
4. Zeroth rule of gun safety: Don’t let the government get your guns.
5. Rule one of gun safety: The gun is always loaded.
5a. If you actually want the gun to be loaded, like because you’re checking out a bump in the night, then it’s empty.
6. Rule two of gun safety: Never point the gun at anything you’re not willing to destroy.
7. Rule three: Keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire.
8. Rule the fourth: Be sure of your target and what is behind it.

(Hmm a few extras seem to have crept in.)

Spot Prices

Last week:

Gold $1,658.90
Silver $19.52
Platinum $941.00
Palladium $2,096.00
Rhodium $15,000.00

This week, 3 PM MT on Friday, markets closed for the weekend

Gold $1,646.70
Silver $19.34
Platinum $952.00
Palladium $1,981.00
Rhodium $15,000.00

Everything is down except rhodium, which hasn’t budged. Relatively speaking palladium is the big loser, dropping over 5 percent and falling through the $2000 barrier.

The Eagle in The Nebula

A number of people seemed to have trouble seeing the eagle in M-16 the Eagle Nebula.

(M-16 stands for Messier 16; Charles Messier was an astronomer in the 1700s who was interested in comets. He made a list of about 100 objects in the sky that were not comets because he kept hitting them over and over. M-16 is one of that list. It’s also redundantly listed as NGC 6611 (there are exactly 7000 objects in the New General Catalog…which isn’t all that new anymore having been compiled in 1888). NGC objects were typically nebulae, only about 40 years later did they realize that many of the nebulae were actually galaxies.

Anyhow, here’s a picture of the Eagle Nebula similar to what you’d see in a really BIG earthbound telescope, without any false colors. (You’d probably, even so, need a long camera exposure.)

What you can see, even in a dinky little six inch (diameter!) telescope is the central structure (and absolutely no color at all). Most of the orange area is basically black, the blue area looks white. (I know this, because that’s what I see in my dinky little six inch telescope.) You can see the three “pillars of creation” there, but note that the one on the left, the tallest, is less visible than the other two. So what you see is a zig-zag and that bit off to the right that looks like a T on its side.

OK, so I said something like “turn it 90 degrees clockwise to see the eagle” and that still didn’t work for some people so I did five minutes of really crappy drawing with a mouse to produce:

Which I hope makes it clearer. It’s not a perfectly well proportioned eagle like the actual eagles at the top of the Saturday posts, but it’s there nonetheless. (There’s no freaking way the talons should be in front of the wings, just for instance; wings are the forelimbs, the legs are the rear limbs.)

It’s one of those things that once seen, cannot be unseen.

Obligatory PSAs and Reminders

China is Lower than Whale Shit

To conclude: My standard Public Service Announcement. We don’t want to forget this!!!

Remember Hong Kong!!!

If anyone ends up in the cell right next to him, tell him I said “hi.”

中国是个混蛋 !!!
Zhōngguò shì gè hùndàn !!!
China is asshoe !!!

China is in the White House

Since Wednesday, January 20 at Noon EST, the bought-and-paid for Joseph Biden has been in the White House. It’s as good as having China in the Oval Office.

Joe Biden is Asshoe

China is in the White House, because Joe Biden is in the White House, and Joe Biden is identically equal to China. China is Asshoe. Therefore, Joe Biden is Asshoe.

But of course the much more important thing to realize:

Joe Biden Didn’t Win

乔*拜登没赢 !!!
Qiáo Bài dēng méi yíng !!!
Joe Biden didn’t win !!!

Dear MAGA: 20221023 Open Topic

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Our Abundant Life

H/T to arksirc and for MissInMi who said:

“We haven’t had what is considered to be a “traditional” Thanksgiving meal in years. We just give thanks for whatever we have, and pray for continued blessings.
In the end, no matter how much control I wish I had. No matter how angry I get towards those who want to take away what I do have. I have to keep reminding myself that ultimately, God is in control of it all and I need to be content in any circumstance.
No matter how difficult or unfair I think it is.”


God is in control and His grace is sufficient.  His abundant life is here . . . now.
We merely have to keep looking up to see it.


In John 10:10, Jesus said, “The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly”. Unlike a thief, the Lord Jesus does not come for selfish reasons. He comes to give, not to get. He comes that people may have life in Him that is meaningful, purposeful, joyful, and eternal. We receive this abundant life the moment we accept Him as our Savior.

The word “abundant” in the Greek is perisson, meaning “exceedingly, very highly, beyond measure, more, superfluous, a quantity so abundant as to be considerably more than what one would expect or anticipate.” In short, Jesus promises us a life far better than we could ever imagine, a concept reminiscent of 1 Corinthians 2:9: “No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love Him.” The apostle Paul tells us that God is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, and He does it by His power, a power that is at work within us if we belong to Him (Ephesians 3:20).

Before we begin to have visions of lavish homes, expensive cars, worldwide cruises, and more money than we know what to do with, we need to pause and think about what Jesus teaches regarding this abundant life. The Bible tells us that wealth, prestige, position, and power in this world are not God’s priorities for us (1 Corinthians 1:26-29). In terms of economic, academic, and social status, most Christians do not come from the privileged classes. Clearly, then, abundant life does not consist of an abundance of material things. If that were the case, Jesus would have been the wealthiest of men. But just the opposite is true (Matthew 8:20).

Abundant life is eternal life, a life that begins the moment we come to Christ and receive Him as Savior, and goes on throughout all eternity. The biblical definition of life — specifically eternal life — is provided by Jesus Himself: “Now this is eternal life: that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent” (John 17:3). This definition makes no mention of length of days, health, prosperity, family, or occupation. As a matter of fact, the only thing it does mention is knowledge of God, which is the key to a truly abundant life.

What is the abundant life? First, abundance is spiritual abundance, not material. In fact, God is not overly concerned with the physical circumstances of our lives. He assures us that we need not worry about what we will eat or wear (Matthew 6:25-32; Philippians 4:19). Physical blessings may or may not be part of a God-centered life; neither our wealth nor our poverty is a sure indication of our standing with God. Solomon had all the material blessings available to a man yet found it all to be meaningless (Ecclesiastes 5:10-15). Paul, on the other hand, was content in whatever physical circumstances he found himself (Philippians 4:11-12).

Second, eternal life, the life a Christian is truly concerned with, is not determined by duration but by a relationship with God. This is why, once we are converted and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, we are said to have eternal life already (1 John 5:11-13), though not, of course, in its fullness. Length of life on earth is not synonymous with abundant life.

Finally, a Christian’s life revolves around “grow[ing] in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ” (2 Peter 3:18). This teaches us that the abundant life is a continual process of learning, practicing, and maturing, as well as failing, recovering, adjusting, enduring, and overcoming, because, in our present state, “we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror” (1 Corinthians 13:12). One day we will see God face to face, and we will know Him completely as we will be known completely (1 Corinthians 13:12). We will no longer struggle with sin and doubt. This will be the ultimately fulfilled abundant life.

Although we are naturally desirous of material things, as Christians our perspective on life must be revolutionized (Romans 12:2). Just as we become new creations when we come to Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17), so must our understanding of “abundance” be transformed. True abundant life consists of an abundance of love, joy, peace, and the rest of the fruits of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23), not an abundance of “stuff.” It consists of life that is eternal, and, therefore, our interest is in the eternal, not the temporal. Paul admonishes us, “Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God” (Colossians 3:2-3).


For the kingdom of God is . . . of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.  Romans 14:17



Count Your Blessings

When upon life’s billows you are tempest tossed,
When you are discouraged, thinking all is lost,
Count your many blessings, name them one by one,
And it will surprise you what the Lord hath done.

Are you ever burdened with a load of care?
Does the cross seem heavy you are called to bear?
Count your many blessings, ev’ry doubt will fly,
And you will be singing as the days go by.

When you look at others with their lands and gold,
Think that Christ has promised you His wealth untold;
Count your many blessings, money cannot buy
Your reward in heaven, nor your home on high.

So, amid the conflict, whether great or small,
Do not be discouraged, God is over all;
Count your many blessings, angels will attend,
Help and comfort give you to your journey’s end.

Count your blessings, name them one by one;
Count your blessings, see what God hath done;
Count your blessings, name them one by one;
Count your many blessings, see what God hath done.