20200228: Attention all QTreeps, Need Your Help, Please.

Need your help, folks. Calling all QTreeps.

Apparently, our little Coronavirus thread, and updated threads, are MILES ahead of the politicians and pundits on MSM (Sure wish we received classified briefings though, can you put in a word for us, Wolfie?) AND, I’ve found, publishing OUR link, along with a message of “We’ve been working on this issue since January. Here are 100’s of links, videos, sources, and hints. Be informed, not fearful”……… shuts down all political opposition. It’s truly stunning how ill-informed the media is on the subject (or they are intentionally misleading the public). The amount of DISINFO presents a hazard.

Nonetheless, our little thread has tremendous value, both as real information for those who are new to the subject or genuinely worried, AND for those who using the virus as a political weapon. I shared our thread today across social media. In the last 7 hours, I’ve received at least 2 dozen private messages of thanks and hundreds of short messages……. people feel better when they have information in their hands. Let’s give them information.

The current thread expires at the end of the month and I’m putting together a new one for the first week of March. Thinking we will update once a week until crisis subsides. Good idea or no?

Please, I need your contributions. Please post here, anything you have. I’ll be happy to sort it out over a long weekend and add to an updated thread. Please include a source/link, where you can and pretty please, DATE the source. I figured out a little too late that dates create a huge problem. For instance, I might type a brief sentence and say “yesterday, Laura Ingraham show”. Well, several days later, I have no idea WHICH day was “yesterday”. See what I mean?

Miss Gail Combs, I was wondering, nudge, nudge, if you could find some spare time, to provide us with a similar update like you did last time. If you can’t get it in by Sunday, I can always edit the post and add it later. Would be most appreciative. Where is Smiley2? I need you, and Aubergine, and the chemist guys, and info about air travel from FG&C, and Bakocarl’s tidbits, and everyone.

People are afraid when they don’t know what they’re dealing with, and we have reams of information. You guys pull items from Chiefio, foreign sources, etc. We always joked that QTree was an amazing collection of expertise, and we’re proving it now, when it counts. We’re fortunate to have different people with varying skill sets (medical- econ- VALUABLE hints from our grandparents- herbal medicine- Heloise-type-hints on how to keep a clean home/office) to add to the post. And it’s the only way to examine the whole problem.

Unless someone has a better idea (and heaven knows, I’m always open to a better idea), we’re going to divide the post into the following categories. If you think we need another category, let me know. This has become, very much, a group project:

  • The dashboard from Johns Hopkins which counts “official” cases all over the world.
  • Trump Administration response (the timeline and links to various agencies)
  • China Responses
  • Aggregated responses from other countries (I’m going to tear this one apart)
  • Vaccine news and updates https://twitter.com/johnrobertsFox/status/1233156544520507393
  • Speculation on how the virus started
  • Economic impact and stories
  • Hard Data Medical info
  • Other medical info to boost immune system, herbal remedies, ways to keep your house clean and NOT spread the virus to others.
  • Hard links for OTHER valuable sources/blogs and a brief sentence or two about what they provide
  • Media Bias and debunking section, like the great article from AP News https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104
  • Other news items

You guys are the best. Thank you.

All my love,

D

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scott467

“Thinking we will update once a week until crisis subsides. Good idea or no?”
_______________
But of course! 👍

michaelh

The weekly threads will continue until the FAKE NEWS CRISIS subsides.

pgroup

Beat me, whip me, make me write fake news.

Cuppa Covfefe

Fifty Shades of The Old Gray Lady…
(with 50 shades working for it…)

Deplorable Patriot

Yes, I posted something yesterday that listed the bugs that have been in the “news” every election year for more than the last decade.

Deplorable Patriot

This is what I posted yesterday:

Alison

Thanks, DPat – I searched high and low without any luck for this after seeing Daughn’s post because it went thru my tweet feed earlier.

GA/FL

ADD H1N1 – 2006
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_spread_of_H5N1_in_2006
That is both eerie and suspicious.

GA/FL

EXCEPT – Ebola was during the Øbominable tenure.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Great idea, Daughn. Much has changed since the very beginning, when it was “bat soup and don’t worry”. We need to FRESHEN THE INFO.
A word to all who come here – you will see responses ranging from people who believe the situation is 90% politics, disinformation, and psy-op at one end, to people who believe it’s the end of human life on this planet.
IT’S OK – THAT’S FREE SPEECH. All points of view are tolerated here.
I try to keep an open mind, so I encourage contributions from ALL TAKES. That’s how we have gotten a lot of great stuff here.
I am proud of the fact that this site was one of the VERY FIRST ADVOCATES of shutting down flights to China – a logical consensus we reached VERY QUICKLY, back when that was considered over-reaction.
I am also proud of the fact that we saw strong evidence of connections to biological warfare very early, and that we continue to believe, for the most part, that it was an accidental or intentional laboratory release – NOT “bat soup” or any other kind of communist hoax.
I am even more proud that we continue to maintain an attitude of logical skepticism at all times, even against our own personal and consensus views. NO THEORY is impermissible here.

THAT is how we stay ahead of the crowd.

Keep it up, people! WWG1WGA

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I’ve pinned this up to the top, and I’m going to encourage people to bring their coronavirus information HERE and not into the Daily threads, where it’s getting lost.

MA_kswiss

Hi when you say post HERE….literally this thread? I’d like to post something but wish to confirm where to post first. Thanks.

MA_kswiss

Ok thanks Daughn!

Gail Combs

Daughn,
I will do what I can.
My POV is Be a Boy/Girl Scout, be prepared, take precautions (It is a bad flu season # 3 in the last decade) BUT do not freak-out. Knowledge is our weapon. Also most flu is cold season so this will subside as a ‘threat’ in a couple of months
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoEVPtVk9nE

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Sorry – I pulled this post because I’m trying to stop Daughn from deleting old images, so I just pulled all your recent comments. Now that she’s aware, back to business. I noticed this is on another thread.
Yes, I’d prefer that fresh corona info go on this article / post / whatever as opposed to the daily thread / daily post / whatever you want to call it – Open Thread I guess is the best name. You can post in both, but Daughn is trying to get the latest corona info, and putting it ONLY there, she may miss it.
Hope that makes sense!
As for the other posts, I just want authors to be clear not do delete images, and I didn’t make that clear in the article, so it’s a bit of an emergency, and I pulled your comments until this is thoroughly understood by ALL the authors.
Your example solutions are not easily or properly implemented here on this site, and only two of our authors are IT whizzes (michaelh and T3), so the rest can’t see the unintended consequences of well-meaning but inappropriate solutions.
After clean-up, I’ll consider putting those posts back, but for now, I want to stop the immediate damage.

MA_kswiss

I understand…. my points were meant for suggestions and discussion – not for an automatic decision. (As are all of my points- I realize that I have a high level of knowledge (actually an SME in image creation and optimizing websites to be efficient) but I’m hindered by not being on the operations team due to where I live ….
How can I best provide my Input without causing confusion? I’m happy to provide my input (I actually get excited because the political details aren’t my forté) but want to help consult to the right place. Let me know – Am available offline @ MA_kswiss@protonmail.com
Are my posts deleted forever ?
Sorry for the confusion Wolfie!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

No problem – I didn’t warn about deletions, and a combustible situation ensued! My fault. All over now. I may go back and “unhide” the comments later tonight. I may also recount this story as part of a lesson on the climate change folly. It’s a beautiful metaphor for why we scientists fucked up and FAILED TO WARN about the dangers of doing the obvious thing too quickly (I could have resigned in protest of imposed AGW “science is settled” and did not – we all went along with it – gotta have those pensions).
Just want to make sure that all the authors understand five things:
(1) don’t delete old images
(2) we like images – MOAR IMAGES!
(3) header images only in WQTH media basket
(4) all other images in the author’s OWN media basket
(5) endless new “own” baskets – have fun!

MA_kswiss

I may never understand my proof of affect here . And that is ok because it is always God given.!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

HA! Don’t worry about it. Seriously. 😀
Think of it as me inserting a stop in a multi-platform multi-focal cybernetic program which was cascading out of control, debugging it, and determining my own error. I needed to remove a variable, the effects of which nobody except someone with root access was going to understand.
Someday I’ll explain more deeply, because it’s interesting, but not now – for reasons that will become clear then.

MA_kswiss

I am super invisible.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Don’t be invisible! BTW, those posts are now visible. EVERYBODY has been warned about deletion.

MA_kswiss

Lol Ok i won’t! 😀

MA_kswiss

I think I’m mixing up directives –
Was it my knowledge of images and process or my information of the Suisse shutdown of large events due to the coronavirus…. I assumed you meant the image content maintenance – and if so my last note holds true…. happy to help with my knowledge but don’t want to cause confusion to you!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

It’s the image stuff, but it’s not your fault. I just wanted to freeze any further discussion of image file manipulation that was not coming from me and me alone, so that there would be no further confusion (already appears to be a lot).
No, it was my fault. “Duty to Warn” – about not deleting from the media bucket – which I DID NOT PERFORM. Easy for me to blame others, when I rushed out an article without adding the crucial warning – which I then did too late (now at the beginning of the article). In my rush to hide your comments, I hid the one on this article, too.
Wheatie and T3 were the first to discover the problem that the media bucket here is essentially irreversible. First they found that we were duplicating images – multiple copies of the same ones. Then when space started filling up, the idea of consolidation appeared, but we realized there was no good way to track from any given image to its use, and we had already been starting to cite existing images to save space. We were locked into the current images and duplicates, unless we chose to waste a lot of time in checking and editing old posts. No way!
Your image policies are proper for a corporate environment, and are a lot like others I’m aware of, or worked on. The problem here is that we’re essentially disposable, one-time newspaper, but we want to archive the newsprint as well. So we just leave the images up, warts and all, duplicates and all, too big and all, etc. Irreversible, because our greatest conservable is time and effort.
TOMORROW’S NEWS TODAY – that’s our goal! We have some torn papers on microfilm? Too bad. NEXT!!! 😉

Barb Meier

I don’t know how your site works or what’s possible, but if images used MD5 hash filenames and went into one Images folder, that would solve the duplicates problem. Eventually. Images are bitmaps and that means at a lower level, they are just “strings in some format. MD5 or SHA hashes are used to encrypt sensitive data. There are generators and decoders so one should get the same result both in and out. There is a difference in line endings between Mac and Windows but I know some programmers who have used this to identify unique files so they don’t have duplicates.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Alas, we can’t do anything sophisticated like that here. Gotta be the vanilla interface, no custom code, no plugins, no money, no payment plan, no ads, no nothing. Authors have to be able to understand everything they do on their own.
It’s OK. The “BYOMB” (Bring Your Own Media Bucket) plan will work like a charm now. 😎

Valerie Curren

” there was no good way to track from any given image to its use,”
I am NOT any type of pro on this topic. Could a search engine, like bing.com , be used to do an image search w/ a specific image but within wqth to find at least some of the images…
Or is there a date for the image “upload” to the media file…so checking images after a given date only is necessary?
Could you ask the authors to only edit their own posts, but keeping the date thing in mind?
Anyway, leaving everything as is may just be the easiest way because it is just too much (busy) work to “correct” things in the past…
I created a couple blogs to archive my son’s & my carepages.com medical blogs to archive his liver transplant journey from both our perspectives because carepages was going out of business & all the material was going to be deleted. I’ve always meant to go back into those blogs & clean things up but so far it is so low on the task (& motivation) list that they pretty much just continue to exist “as is”.
Sometimes that perfectionism just has to go by the wayside or it seems like nothing can get done!
Thanks for your incredibly wise shepherding of this flock of Q-Treepers Extraordinaire. You are doing an amazing job & honoring us & the Lord in so much that you say & do!!! God Bless YOU Richly.comment image
http://rlv.zcache.com/flock_of_sheep_bible_verse_cards-r9db4ce57f1f44b5ead606aa747484443_xvuak_8byvr_512.jpg
http://ronkelleher.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/121_flock_of_sheep_shepherd_700_x_463.jpg
That wolf in sheep’s clothing (or is it the reverse?) is Truly a Good Thing here at the Q-Tree!comment image

michaelh

Who needs a backchannel?
Daughn is the news now!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Amen!

gil00

As disgusting as bat soup and eating skunk (which was mentioned on tucker tonight) may be, that alone isnt the cause. Too much espionage and the timing is something else! Thin the herd, panic the rest, and bring them back under the thumb of the cabal. Destroy economic gains to make orange man bad for everyone. Its so thin of a veneer over what theyre doing. Im just kicking my cold after 2 weeks. I self sequester when sick. Everyone sleeps alone and toilets, light switches, and doorknobs get extra cleaning.
Prep like the flu and dont touch your face.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

AMEN!!!

Gail Combs

Gil,
I figure this is excellent training if it is a false alarm (and it is starting to look like it maybe.)
All the information we are digging up can pretty much be applied to flu virus in general so it is certainly not wasted.
Even if it is not particularly lethal, it still stresses our hospitals and costs $$$$ which we all end up paying. 18% of the cases are Serious or Critical according to current data.
What needs to be look at is who is at risk. If you are or have grandparents in the @risk categories, you might want to take extra precautions. Unfortunately with working Moms we now have children from six weeks of age to 18 years in a communal setting sharing germs.
Hubby and I do jobs at day cares and I see these infants in 6 and 8 child prams. We see kids with runny noses…
*http://strictlyforkidsstore.com/assets/images/rt48.jpg
The USA is not as bad as China but slowing any disease down in today’s environment is going to take care.
….
Most recent data:
AGE – DEATH RATE*
80+ years old = 14.8%
70-79 years old = 8.0%
60-69 years old = 3.6%

50-59 years old = 1.3%
40-49 years old = 0.4%
30-39 years old = 0.2%
20-29 years old = 0.2%
10-19 years old = 0.2%
0-9 years old = no fatalities
PRE-EXISTING CONDITION – DEATH RATE*
Cardiovascular disease = 10.5%
Diabetes = 7.3%
Chronic respiratory disease = 6.3%
Hypertension = 6.0%
Cancer = 5.6%
no pre-existing conditions = 0.9%
*Death Rate = (number of deaths / number of cases) = probability of dying if infected by the virus (%).
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
H/T ossqss @ ChiefIO

gil00

I feel the same as dr drew. Its intentional misinformation and panic to herd the herd. Those at risk are always the furst to go, like the flu.

pgroup

When I first saw that bat soup thing, all I could think of was Col. Bat Guano from Dr. Strangelove.

Valerie Curren

Or as we like to say around here…”Holy bat crap, Robin!”

cthulhu

*Ahem* I believe “the situation is 90% politics, disinformation, and psy-op”, and I consider myself a moderate on the subject.
And I’m old enough to remember the giant swine flu fizzle of 1976, and have been wondering exactly what the Federal government wants to inject into its citizens’ bloodstreams so badly. If I were inclined to get vaccinated, I might well decide to go to the Bahamas and pay cash rather than blindly accept the Obamacare version “at no cost” in the US.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Swine flu! AH YES…..

prognosticatasaurusrex

This is ALL political, period. As I posted yesterday. The “ never let a crisis go to waste “ people are behind this, they did it in 2007, and we wound up with a nightmare in Obama, this is eerily similar. While I believe the disease is very real, the hysteria is 100% manufactured.
I listed two ways in which Trump could call their bluff, one close the US border ENTIRELY until the “ crisis “ is “ over”. Two, nationalize and or mandate the manufacture, distribution, and stock pile of “ critical “ supplies, resources, supply chains, and distribution lines to 100% made and controlled in the USA. In so doing, the cabal would lose their collective minds, and REVEAL the scam.
ANY “ resistance “ from the cabal, would reveal to the public that either the dems do not care what happens to we the people, or that the dems were simply overblowing the situation in an effort to harm Trump politically. IMHO it is the latter.
I asked a simple question, does no one find it curious that the two countries being used to over blow the situation are China and Iran? Two countries strategically placed to effect the global economy, and two countries where “control “ of the narrative could be silenced, propagandize, and HIDDEN, due to the nature of secrecy of both regimes.
Coincidentally, BOTH countries are in an economic head lock by Trump…coincidence? There are NO coincidences. Secondly, if this were a true pandemic, these countries would be BEGGING at th UN for help $$$$, yet they are NOT. IS IT NOT ALSO “ curious” that most other countries have NOT SHUT THEIR BORDERS EITHER?
IMHO, this is a simple virulent version of the flu, which is being hyped to the max to induce panic and destroy, or allow cabal players to manipulate and destroy the stock markets and global economies, for cabal gain both $$$$ ( billionaires are made after events like this), and political gain to hurt Trumps crowning achievement the economic revival here. Too similar to 2007 for me.
Lastly, isn’t it odd that this happens just after another failed coup attempt in shampeachment, and right as major corruption and corrupt players are being exposed and under the sword of Durhamocles? And after the disaster that is the dem primaries, caucus, and debates? Kind of convenient for the dems in an election year don’t you think?
Nothing to see here, move along, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. The sky is falling, climate change, pandemic, Russia, no look, SQUIRREL

grandmaintexas

I am not ruling anything out at this point.
That said, this crisis, manufactured or not, has gotten me off my duff. I’m stocked up again. I’m prepared. Always be prepared. 😀

Barb Meier

I concur, prognosticatasaurusrex.

Teagan

We were out to dinner last night with two other very savvy, like-minded couples and the topic of vaccinations came up (in general, not any specific kind). I mentioned that I would be reluctant these days to get them and much to my surprise, the two other women said…”oh, all of that has been debunked now…they are safe.”

Deplorable Patriot

When the researchers who compile data that demonstrate vaccines are most likely the cause of all sorts of neurological diseases that have popped up in the 20th century are either found dead or have their careers destroyed and are forced to sign non-disclosure agreements at gun point (yes, this happened to one woman), vaccines are not safe, and that is being covered up at all levels.

Valerie Curren

I’m sharing a comment from another blog where vaccines have been discussed a number of times. Also “Stella” is one of the originators of CTH along w/Sundance & a couple of others, iirc. Her corner is a cozy side jaunt from CTH. Here was the post to which this comment was originally directed:
https://stellasplace1.com/2019/01/07/vaccines-their-benefits-and-alleged-and-real-dangers/
God Bless YOU DP!
Valerie Curren says:
January 7, 2019 at 7:35 pm
One of my son Josiah’s doctors runs one of the 3 state “certified” (I don’t know the terminology but it’s a place the state requires people on the autism spectrum to be evaluated by, I believe) “autism centers” in Michigan & she’s worked with my son for more than 2 decades (though was not part of the team that diagnosed him on the autism spectrum). Anyway we’ve loosely touched on vaccines & autism in our conversations a few times.
As I understand it, she believes that there is a link between vaccines & autism but I don’t know that she sees it as causative per se. The concern, as I recall, is the giving of numerous toxic substances so close together in the infant &/or young child, especially when the child may have an underlying pre-disposition toward neuro-biological fragility. It’s like if you overload the child’s system with these toxins/diseases some of them do not have the immunological strength to overcome them…
I cannot fully articulate her perspective but it was Not a view that the people that think vaccines cause autism are conspiracy theorists. If one has autism or ADHD in the family it would be prudent to consider avoiding, delaying, or spacing out vaccines to lower the risk of that neuro-biological nexus of weakness overlapped by toxins/diseases leading to autism spectrum issues–my thought, not a distillation of what the doctor said.
I don’t know for sure if vaccines played a part in Josiah’s autism spectrum issues but I suspect that they did. He received all the recommended shots in the early years, at least up to age 4 or 5, but after being diagnosed on the spectrum I denied further vaccines for him & his siblings as a precaution. We re-entered the vaccination matrix when he was pre-transplant, having him & his siblings receive whatever vaccines the transplant team recommended on the schedule they suggested. However they were all teenagers then so this seemed (at least to me) to be a presumed diminished autism risk from vaccines.
When Josiah was an infant, & I don’t remember him having autism “symptoms” before age 2 or so, he was facing A Lot of health issues. He was premature, IUGR (Intra-Uterine Growth Retarded=very small for gestational age–he was 2# 6oz while his twin was 5# 4oz), had congenital heart defects (for which he underwent surgery at 2 months), & contracted RSV & was re-hospitalized about a week after his first discharge post-heart surgery with that infection & again for the same thing about 10 months later. He also had an unplanned surgery on his inguinal hernias when he was in the recovery period from his first surgery. These were major stressors on a young, premature, & relatively sickly baby. Having included the additional stress of vaccines on his system may have been that proverbial straw that broke that camel’s back.
I agree that much more research should be done on this topic. Autism is such a devastating & lifelong condition that most anything that can be done to reduce the likelihood of becoming autistic should be examined. There are massive burdens on the individual, family, & government support services when autism is involved. Some of those diseases mentioned would be better to risk than autism…
On a final note, there is a local radio personality in Detroit, Bob Dutko, on WMUZ, that has addressed this topic numerous times. He references some research that was done comparing similarly aged populations (some were Amish who didn’t vaccinate at all) to see if autism incidence was higher in vaccinated populations vs non-vaccinated populations. There was basically no statistical difference in the incidence of childhood illnesses between Vaccine & Non-V kids. There was a distinct statistical difference in Autism with the Vaccinated kids having a Much Higher Incidence. I don’t recall if of those people studied (there were thousands of kids’ data analyzed) if any had autism that were not also vaccinated.
Thanks for posting the topic, Stella. Very interesting & important.

GA/FL

As for neurological damage or influence by a vaccine:
Depends on
– whether the drug crosses the blood-brain barrier.
– whether the trauma of multiple shots is emotional or physical/chemical
– the effect of emotions and chemicals on the brain short term or long term
– the child’s own genetic/emotional/physical state
Science has proved that our brains can and do change continually, cumulatively positively and negatively, throughout life by many means, diet, events, actions, interpersonal interactions, medications, addictions, etc. This is called Neural Plasticity.
With modern screening methods, Scientists can see in real time and identify the effects of braille reading, drug and alcohol addictions on the structures and responses of the brain.
Other causes of childhood trauma and mental disorders include:
Lies and misbeliefs, viewing violence between parents, sexual abuse and molestation can also affect mental health of a child throughout live.
Extreme violence in the home is correlated with children developing psychosis, sociopathy and other mental illnesses.
Apathy, abandonment, absence, anger, abuse and addiction act as deadly weapons against a child inside a home.

Valerie Curren

That is fascinating but mostly not applicable in the early childhood vaccination scenario I was describing with my own special needs son.
However, he & his twin were pre-mature births (his twin in NICU for 10 days & Josiah for 2 1/2 months, home a week then in the hospital for another 2 weeks & a couple months later back for another surgery & week+ inpatient)…
Anyway, I’ve wondered if those early hospitalizations & surgeries may have contributed to his autism presentation. He certainly had severe sensory integration dysfunction in early childhood. On the other hand he was often in his own world but attempting to engage with the rest of us much of the time.
For the first 3 months of his life he only spent 2 days alone in the hospital without family with him at least a few hours each day. Did the less personal attention & care of medical staff & the necessity of more intensive intervention, like after his heart surgery at 2 months of age, lead to a degree of detachment or other dysfunction?
Because they were twins, once Josiah was home we usually placed the twins in the same crib & they always migrated next to each other. Back then, 20+ years ago, there was literature advocating for “kangaroo kare” (skin to skin contact, which many of us employed with him) & keeping twins together to facilitate the development of the sicker child.
Who knows, but God, what the impact of these medical “traumas” & separations might have been for our son, or for other medically fragile newborns. Keeping them on the “typical” vaccine schedule seems problematic at a minimum given all these major “traumas” & uncertainties, not to mention developmental delays (which might be a clue as the body is spending so much time healing/recuperating/fighting off disease as to not address “regular” growth on schedule, neurologically & otherwise)…

GA/FL

Though I have read a moderate amount, I’m not familiar enough with Autism research and statistics to say whether genetics, chemicals in vaccines, chemicals and/or trauma in the gestation or birth process and/or later in infancy and early childhood contribute to the development of autism.

Valerie Curren

I have not read extensively on this topic either, but have lots of anecdotal experience in raising someone on the spectrum & interfacing w/ many families & professionals in this arena…& I doubt that Anyone has a strong handle on what exactly might cause/contribute to autism! Educated guessing is the order of the day.
Scientific studies where one is double blind testing for only One factor would be difficult, if not impossible, to arrange with great certainty.
We don’t even know if our twins are identical or fraternal…but if Identical, only one is truly on the spectrum…

GA/FL

Correction: Our daughter has a recessively inherited (both parents must carry the gene) progressive neurodegenerative disease called Friedreich’s ataxia (FRDA), named for the German doctor who described the condition. The child has a guanine, adenine GAA repeat on the 9th chromosome – which causes an iron build up in the cells in the cerebellum, affects the cerebellum and kills them through an oxidative process, causing ataxia, which is the term for a loss of balance.
FRDA can cause many other secondary conditions – hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, blindness, speech and small motor coordination difficulties.
All of this is usually slowly progressive in most cases, although males seem to progress quicker and some patients die of severe heart problems in their teens and early 20s.
Our daughter is now 49 and has taken lots of antioxidants and has continued to exercise, with weights, resistance bands, and a hand cycle and she watches her diet. She’s persevered, done valiantly well, despite the disease.
In recent years, she has had problems with lingering longterm infections – sinus due to a cracked tooth that her dentist finally discovered – a dermatitis that we finally got cured and the proper shampoos and soaps to keep away. Then came the sepsis of unknown cause that caused her to spend a month in the hospital – 2 weeks in intensive care, a week on the heart floor, then a critical care facility…. oh man that was scary!
So – we got her home and hired a night nurse to be sure she was ok at night, slept in bed and got her proper rest and the first thing she does was fire the night nurse. Her dad lives on the same large retirement community campus and didn’t object, so he’s taking up the slack. Dealing with a neurological patient is never smooth sailing for long!

Valerie Curren

Wow, that is all so very intense…& you’ve been facing it for twice as long as we have! Hats off & kudos!!!
I remember after our son had already had 2 heart surgeries (at ages 2 months & 4 1/2 years) when we heard “simultaneously” (it was like back-to-back phone calls a day or 2 apart but Felt like one overwhelming blow at Thanksgiving) that our son had a brain tumor & numerous masses/tumors in his liver, that it was so much it was practically impossible to even think straight, let alone breathe.
After the liver biopsy Christmas Eve, about a month after masses were found, & the brain tumor surgery about a half year later hearing that our son was not a candidate for a liver transplant–thinking whew, what could be worse than open heart surgery & a brain tumor surgery…
Well, a year & a half later when they said that our son now needed a liver transplant & he needed a whole organ & his ideal donor would be a 12 year old gun shot victim…well waiting for some other family’s horrible tragedy to result in the gift of a liver for my son nearly undid me. It was exponentially worse (for me) than either heart or brain surgery ever approached…
And that special needs journey never really seems to end. Ours has become “easier” following the transplant for some of the organ toxicity that built up in our son for the first 17 years of his life was slowly washed away & he’s made significant developmental strides since.
He has come such a long way from when he was an infant & specialists told us he would never walk nor talk, never read nor write…
It’s all so bittersweet, starting near death & facing near-death surgeries &/or illnesses or in what sounds like your case where perhaps your daughter had a brief time in early life where things seemed “normal” & then the nightmare of “what’s wrong” set in & it’s a constant battle to keep ahead of the many challenges & complications…
There is no pain-free pathway & I so want to avoid all that heartache. Special needs is a beautiful gift of brokenness, but we really need His eyes to see & ears to hear & heart to understand just what wonders He’s doing in & through our children & even in & through us.
May the Lord continue to strengthen & sustain you. May He comfort & equip you, encourage your heart, carry your burdens, & show Himself fully as Comforter & Lover of your soul. May He grant grace, joy, healing, & love to you, your daughter, your ex, & all your interrelationships.
Thank you so much for sharing a glimpse behind that very private curtain. In Jesus’ Love…

GA/FL

My heart goes out to you. With our daughter who has a progressive neurodegenerative, there are some distressing and difficult psychological and emotional issues and unpredictable behaviors involved…and it’s been 35 years since diagnosis. GOD’s grace is sufficient, but I don’t know many parents, particularly mothers who havent suffered from depression, and there are many divorces. 80% of parents with children with disabilities divorce. We had at least 5-6 other factors contributing to our divorce, including plain old sin and childhood abuse trauma based immaturity on my part and infidelity on his part. Live is tough, but GOD is good. Psalms 27:10, Philippians 4:13, II Corinthians 1:3-4 and Romans 8:28….are very real and powerfully effective! .

Valerie Curren

I’m so sorry you had to face these things alone as a parent. Yes, God’s grace is sufficient…but sometimes the pain lingers long after the injury has seemed superficially to have healed.
I don’t know if any of this might minister to you, but I’ve done a bit of writing about PTSD, etc., at my blog especially as connected to special needs parenting. The word of our testimony & all…Here’s a sampling:
https://specialconnections.wordpress.com/2018/09/09/special-needs-parenting-trauma-ptsd/
https://specialconnections.wordpress.com/2018/08/18/complex-ptsd-personal-touchpoints/
https://specialconnections.wordpress.com/2018/09/04/special-needs-parenting-some-ancillary-aspects-encouragements/
https://specialconnections.wordpress.com/2018/10/17/special-forces/
https://specialconnections.wordpress.com/2017/06/13/thoughts-on-i-cant-do-this-special-needs-life/
This next one focuses on God’s gifts flowing through my son in spite of/because of his challenges:
https://specialconnections.wordpress.com/2018/09/05/autism-empathy-christs-indwelling/
This one is a lengthy encapsulation of the transplant journey (if reading other’s experiences might encourage you), adapted from my former carepages blog, it was the first transplant anniversary since starting at wordpress:
https://specialconnections.wordpress.com/2017/07/30/four-years-ago-today-a-transplant-tale/
This one is bathing old wounds in the balm of scripture:
https://specialconnections.wordpress.com/2019/06/25/rewriting-an-old-tape-of-lies/
This was encouragement to another parent, a single mom, struggling w/ special needs parenting:
https://specialconnections.wordpress.com/2016/10/12/commenting-on-caught-in-the-act-of-bad-parenting/
For what it’s worth, I still struggle with “severe depression”, isolation, & unresolved/unprocessed excessive emotional baggage (I hate dealing in the emotional arena & prefer to achieve some level of clinical & analytical detachment to cope with the pain). Sometimes I think some of these things are just my personal cross to bear in the special needs parenting arena.
In a stumbling attempt to conform to the image of Christ there is an ongoing & imperfect approximation of an element of dying to oneself; He must increase & I must decrease; & kernel of wheat falling to the ground & dying so as to bring forth a harvest in our offspring & in the Kingdom…I try to be satisfied & thankful for these blessings & lessons yet often fall far short…

GA/FL

Copied to read later – thank you from the bottom of my heart for your loving response.

Valerie Curren

Thanks GA/FL. God Bless & keep you & yours

GA/FL

I declined the flu shot – because a church friend got Guillian-Barré syndrome from the flu vaccine one year and nearly died!
I’m against any vaccine that comes from aborted fetal cells or from China.

Deplorable Patriot

Guillian-Barre is NO JOKE! I have a cousin whose husband had it 40+ years ago. She had to give verbal permission over the phone for a tracheotomy to be done just to keep him alive at the time. When he could get a French fry to his mouth, there was celebration. This guy has been on crutches and with braces on his legs since he could walk again which was more than five years later.He’s REALLY smart and well read person, and my mom’s cousin, a nurse, has really had a time of it caring for him, God love her.
I also sang with a woman whose husband had G-B. He was much more ambulatory, but what the disease stole from him was his singing voice. The wife said he had a beautiful Irish tenor before he got sick, and afterwards, nothing.

michaelh

Arrogance reinforces confirmation bias.
Never, and I mean NEVER, rely on the opinion of someone who is arrogant to the point of conceit…
If they can’t explain their position logically, with facts, and if they don’t have the heart of a teacher, they are at high risk of spouting off their own opinions as if they were fact.
Closely related, is flippancy of response, a form of cavalier dismissal.

Teagan

Just to be clear, there was not a “smidgeon” (my new word!) of arrogance…just a passing comment in a sea of social conversation. But, I do get your point and agree.

michaelh

LOL Oh no I did not mean you! 😉

Sadie Slays

Thank you for your commitment to free speech, Wolfmoon.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

No problem! NONE AT ALL!
Of the many truths that I learned in both FAKE SCIENCE and REAL PROGRAMMING, one stood out in both. Every failed experiment and every failed program, turned out to be useful for SOMETHING later. Whether it required some breakage, modification, or was usable “as is”, everything that didn’t work immediately for one purpose, would eventually work for something else later.
So it turns out to be with our theories here. They’re all useful – even the ones that seem to fail repeatedly, will eventually have their day, somehow, if only as a beautiful negative proving example.
And this general principle is why PC must inevitably blind us – because we LEARN from errors, if we are allowed to CONSIDER THEM.
Of all the things we’ve thought here, I can’t think of any that I’d pick to throw away now, knowing that I cannot predict how I might regret losing it in the future. Only FREE SPEECH can protect us from this loss!

scott467

“Please, I need your contributions. Please post here, anything you have.”
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There is a youtube channel I catch a few times a week while eating dinner, called ‘You Are Free TV’. The host is an interesting and sincere woman (I don’t think she has ever revealed her name) who seems to be aware of most all of the ‘conspiracy theories’ that most people around here talk about regularly, and she follows a lot of the people online who we talk about regularly here.
Her most recent video is not enthusiastic about the Corona virus ‘task force’ because the people involved are decades-long Deep Staters.
She has also been wary of Pence from the beginning, because apparently Indiana is one of the national hubs for child-trafficking, and apparently it would be impossible for the governor to not be aware of this level of activity going on in his state.
In another recent video, she raised concerns (I won’t explain this right) about the possibility that Corona virus was genetically engineered, and is capable of being altered electrically, via Huawei’s 5G network (she has a LOT of health concerns about the implementation of 5G networks).
I don’t know nearly enough about some of these subjects to know whether her concerns are well founded, but she is certainly very sincere, and I’m guessing at least some people here would be interested in checking it out.
The first two minutes or so are usually thanking patrons and advertising a few products for sponsors, sort of like Johnny Carson used to do on live TV, during his show 😁
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVvf4xrxmf4

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Her 5G concerns are not biochemically reasonable, IMHO, but if she dropped that kind of unphysical thinking, she does have a point, that if the virus is DESIRED by somebody, they could keep tinkering. The whole idea of 5G is unnecessary for her more basic concern to be valid – that this was an intentional release, and that it does not stop there.
Even if it’s an accidental release, the same problems arise. WHY are people doing risky science like this?
However, even if there are dark forces at work, it may likewise be possible to “anti-tinker” the virus into a state of complacency and “get-alongedness” with humanity, because THAT IS WHAT VIRUSES DO.
There is much about life that we don’t know.
I remain hopeful, and as always, I strongly believe that putting PENCE in charge of this is as close to asking for the hands of God to be laid on this problem as possible!
I trust Pence deeply and without reservation, just like I trust Trump – knowing that we all TRUST GOD!!!comment image

pgroup

The answer is in the movie World War Z. The zombies would ignore the infirm and the sick. The ‘hero’ deliberately infected himself and thereby became virtually invisible to the zombies.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

OMG – I am so glad I don’t watch ANY of their product any more. But I’m very happy when people tell me about these movies, so THANKS!!!

grandmaintexas

I trust VP Pence, too. Our President would not have put an enemy a heartbeat away from the presidency.

singularzoe

Scott465, one of my friends follows this woman. She might have some valid concerns, but I don’t know why–I can’t listen to her, but since you do, I might have to reconsider. Also, regarding Pence, my thought is that the child trafficking is so huge, Pence may have thought it had to be Trump feds to shut it down, thus where we are now. I think there were major arrests under Sessions. I guess we’ll see who’s right.

singularzoe

I mean Scott 467. Lol, I can never remember that number.

scott467

It was just a randomly chosen number. “Scott” is always already taken, so is “Scott1”, ‘Scott2′, Scott3’, etc.
So after playing that game a time or two, I just started picking bigger numbers, to avoid having to enter all the data over and over again 😁

scott467

I should also point out that while she remains hopeful and optimistic, sometimes the weight and volume of all the evil that is going on (which she discusses) is a little overwhelming, so sometimes I cut it short and don’t watch to the end.
I don’t mean it’s overwhelming in the sense that it’s too much to think about, or that it’s too ‘dark’, or that it’s too much for my delicate sensibilities 😁
I mean that men are problem solvers, we can’t just talk endlessly about how broken something is, we have to fix it — or at least try.
And there is no way for me to ‘fix’ some of these things, so talking about how terrible it is for another 10 minutes — which many women are very good at — causes me to start shutting down. Like beating a dead horse. A really dead horse. It’s dead, and we can’t do anything about it.
If I can’t fix it, if I can’t do anything about it, it begins to become overwhelming to just wallow in the helplessness of it all. I have been made aware of it, and I appreciate that… and now I’m going to go work on something I can fix 😁

Valerie Curren

This remark actually helps me understand my husband’s communication style better. Thanks for the “inside baseball” perspective. Blessings!

scott467

You are very welcome Valerie 🙂
It can be simplified even further.
If something can be fixed, and we can fix it, that will make you happy, which makes us happy and feel appreciated.
If something can’t be fixed, or if we can’t fix it or solve it, then we can’t make you happy — so we’re stuck, until we find something else that we can fix or solve to make you happy 🙂

Valerie Curren

I enjoyed reading these to my husband & hearing his further insights what/who can (& cannot) be fixed around here…Thanks!

scott467

“Scott465, one of my friends follows this woman. She might have some valid concerns, but I don’t know why–I can’t listen to her, but since you do, I might have to reconsider.”
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Sometimes she gets a little ‘out there’, and at least a couple times each video I find myself thinking, you need to back that claim up, in order for it to be useful to your viewers, so they could verify it and pass it on with confidence.
But she is very aware of most of the subjects we talk about around here, and follows (and references) many people who are regularly mentioned here, as information sources.
I don’t detect any guile, she comes across as exactly who she is, which seems to be a very genuine, kind and caring person. And hopeful.
And considering the world we live in, that’s a refreshing perspective to experience, a couple or three nights a week 🙂

Hoofhearted

The fact that Pres.Trump keeps Pence so close is further confirmation to me that Pence can not be trusted. Trump makes a habit of drawing his enemies in and seen to be in close proximity. He builds them up to others to relax and to disarm said enemies. He includes Pence in activities that do not really require his participation at all. I believe Trump wants to know exactly what Pence is doing all the time and gives him lots of visibility while watching for Pence to carelessly reveal his agenda.
Just consider; Rumours and innuendos of major involvement in pedophilia and child trafficking were circulating about Pence from several sources prior to being selected as a running mate for POTUS.
Sexual deviancy is the common link to blackmail and binds together the foundations of evil. It is used to manipulate people to do things that they would not otherwise do.
Pence got sanitized. Both he and his wife were cleaned up in outward appearance.
His religious reputation was expanded and convincing to many of those whose theology is left wanting.
Now, should POTUS be removed by some catastrophic tragedy, Pence is positioned to slide into WH with the least amount of disruption to casual observers but would provide relief to those of administration who oppose Trump.
My text tells me to “test the spirits” and Pence is the best example of that directive.

Gail Combs

I have never been happy with Pence.
He is too slick and ‘he wears his religion on his sleeve’
I also do not like the fact he was THE KEY in getting General Flynn Ousted. For a slick politician, he was awfully ‘gullible’ Good grief, OF COURSE Flynn was talking to the Russians and everyone else! How would Pence even know every move that Flynn was making? That was impossible. So why did he ALLOW that urinal-ist to trap him?
Also look him up in Wiki. He is PURE SWAMP!
Older brother a US Congressman, Law school => private practice => ran for office lost => radio show => US Congress the chairman of the House Republican Conference from 2009 to 2011
NO REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE!!!

michaelh

I am liking what I am seeing of Pence of late.
However I’m still concerned about his attendance at the 2018 SBC annual meeting. It was a huge distraction (orchestrated?) exploited by the Russell Moore/ERLC cronies to suck valuable time out of the meeting and stage a massive coup to get power from the conservatives back to the leftist wing of the SBC.

scott467

“I have never been happy with Pence. He is too slick and ‘he wears his religion on his sleeve’”
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I’m kind of ambivalent toward him, because just as before the 2016, I hardly know anything about him. He doesn’t volunteer much about himself. Most of this is likely attributable to his career as a politician, and career politicians have been the obstacle for our country.
The solution to that obstacle was Donald J. Trump, an outsider.
Pence is no outsider, and therefore, I don’t know how he can ever be trusted. Not saying he can’t be trusted, I just don’t know one goes from ‘career establishment politician’ to ‘trusted MAGA warrior’, because I’ve never seen it done before.
I’ve seen fakers, but not for real.
A career establishment politician is like an abusive parent or spouse. They always promise to change, they always say whatever it is they think you want to hear, in order to perpetuate the cycle of abuse.
Has an abuser ever ‘seen the light’ and fundamentally changed?
I hope so, but I’ve never seen it.
I do know this.
The one sure way to break the cycle of abuse is to escape and/or completely sever ties with the abuser.
The prospects for the success of any other proposed solution is highly doubtful.
And ‘highly doubtful’ is not a good campaign slogan, or a good foundation upon which to build the future.

foxglovemeadows

I agree. I also noticed the fanfare he got at the Bush funeral. The way the swamp fawned over him and his wife, you would have thought he was the second coming. The swamp creatures were so cozy with the Penses, cozy as you are with people you have a past with and spend lots of time with and have similar values. I found it shocking to watch and also shocking to see how they lapped it up.

scott467

Now that you mention it, Pence also received an envelope at the Bush Sr. funeral, along with several people you don’t want to have that in common with.

foxglovemeadows

Yes, he did. Karen tucked it away quickly.

scott467

After a little searching, I found this interesting theory about the Pence envelope at the Bush funeral:
https://grayseconomy.com/2019/04/29/exclusive-the-why-behind-mike-pence-getting-an-envelop-at-bush-funeral/

scott467

“I also do not like the fact he was THE KEY in getting General Flynn Ousted. For a slick politician, he was awfully ‘gullible’ Good grief, OF COURSE Flynn was talking to the Russians and everyone else!”
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As with so many things, was this part of the plan, or not?
If it was Q’s / DJT’s / Flynn’s plan to get Flynn ousted, in order to set things in motion, that would explain why Pence did what he did (and why Sessions did what he did, etc.).
If it was NOT part of the plan, then all bets are off, and Pence is a liability at best or a mole at worst.
We can’t know for sure what the truth is until the truth is revealed, and it is this lack of certainty which causes so much division among Trump supporters.

Hoofhearted

Trump is a master at gauging people, positioning them and then giving them all the rope they need to do what they can do ….. even if that means hanging themselves. Excellent points Gail Combs

foxglovemeadows

Yes to all of this. He is too “perfect” to me and that seems fake, like an act, not genuine.

duchess01

HEALTH AND SCIENCE – This is a LIVE BLOG – gets updated periodically –
Coronavirus live updates: New Zealand reports first case, Tokyo Disneyland shuts down
PUBLISHED THU, FEB 27 20207:10 PM EST UPDATED 14 MIN AGO
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/28/coronavirus-latest-updates-china-hubei-south-korea.htm

duchess01

bakocarl

Please see the following for the full video . . . and some context.

bakocarl

Of course, we don’t know the future for WuFlu . . . the impact of newly developed anti-virals and vaccines . . . things they didn’t have for H1N1 in 1918.

duchess01

Thanks, carl! God Bless You!!!

Linda

This is something I just saw tonight about Israel having a vaccine breakthrough:

Although, I have to say I’m not terribly excited about having to have a vaccine. Unless this gets to real pandemic levels, I just might say no.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

If we get flu levels of compliance, or better yet 90%, I suspect that the herd will make it go away for the remainder.
Translation – I’ll get the vaccine for the both of us! 😀
[Note to new readers: I’m a vaccination pincushion, despite my support for voluntary vaccination and vaccination exception. Vaccination is a potentially dangerous medical procedure, and NOBODY in a free society should be forced to get it. That said, I love my shots, and have since I got my first polio shot as a kid.]

Linda

I trusted all the shots we got as kids, but not the ones out now. And not the way they give tons of them to kids at the same time.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

No multiple shots – EVER. That violates the principles of the mechanism on which vaccination “works”, which are MESSY, because they’re an abuse of the system.
REFUSE multiple vaccination. Extremely dangerous.

rayzorbak

Multiple vaccinations lead to:
Which one did/caused what?

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Our immune system is not the tightest code that it could be. Vaccination is a bit of an abuse of that code. Multiple simultaneous abuses of the code are exponentially more likely to result in unintended consequences. The primary cause of this is a system evolved for serial challenge being given parallel challenges, which then exceed the design by causing instances to clobber each other through shared variables.
Vaccines are really haxxines. They’re awesome, but they’re a HACK. We have to be honest if we want to do better.

Valerie Curren

I shared some insights about this, in particular the possible connection between vaccines & autism, above in a reply to DP…here’s the link from the timestamp to that comment (hope that works for I’ve never tried this before)…Oh there are a number of vaccine discussions at Stella’s Place, start at the link I provided in my comment & then search “vaccine” at her site for more (lively discussed) info…she’s one of the founders of CTH I believe…
https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/02/28/20200228-attention-all-qtreeps-need-your-help-please/comment-page-1/#comment-413419

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Thanks!!! 😀

Valerie Curren

You’re welcome 🙂

Cuppa Covfefe

What? You didn’t go for the sugar cube ? 🙂

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I was already a MANLY MAN CREWCUT BOY with a rolled-up sleeve by the time they gave us that SISSY VACCINE! 😉

cthulhu

I’d trust an Israeli vaccination more than I’d trust one pushed by the CDC.

cthulhu

The CDC is total commie-land. It’s a noble purpose if the purpose weren’t just a slogan, but it has become yet another anti-american sinecure.

NYGuy

Oh really? Why? Because they are Jews?

NYGuy

oh my gosh, that was a bad reading on my part. I apologize.

singularzoe

Good morning, Ed. Do have a great day, friend.

NYGuy

Thank you Zoe. Same to you. Life is great these days.

GA/FL

Let’s give credit where credit is due! Israel just happened to have a research idea/process/system that needed testing and they just happened to choose this year’s coronavirus/flu to test their system. And boom – it worked!!!

In science, this is called a serendipitous finding or event.
For people of faith, it’s an answer to prayer, the intervention of a benevolent GOD.
As a 35 year veteran of having a child with a progressive neurodegenerative disease, I’ve seen multiple ‘serendipitous’ events and findings and divine interventions along the way.
Israel has also seen a number of serendipitous interventions by GOD that has enabled their tiny nation to survive in the Islamist middle east.

kalbokalbs

😉

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

This is an NPR article, but it has an excellent mix of information about the possibility of the Olympics in Tokyo this summer being affected. Don’t judge by just the title – the situation is actually COMPLICATED. Some people inside the Olympics are keeping cancellation under consideration, even if the official position is that the show must go on. Read for details.
https://www.npr.org/2020/02/27/810154917/olympic-officials-dismiss-speculation-that-coronavirus-could-disrupt-tokyo-games

michaelh

I haven’t vetted this, posting this info AS IS and FWIW:
Dr. Gifford-Jones: People are dying needlessly of coronavirus
https://www.mpnnow.com/news/20200128/dr-gifford-jones-people-are-dying-needlessly-of-coronavirus

What does this mean to North Americans? Patients with a diagnosis of coronavirus should be given intravenous vitamin C, and it will save lives. The problem is that most doctors still refuse to believe IVC is effective.
I’m not your doctor. But my family and friends know to visit a health food store and stock up on Medi C Plus, a powdered form of vitamin C that I developed which allows for high doses to be easily consumed and which contains needed lysine and magnesium. Vitamin C pills will do, but you must swallow many of them. Start taking 2000 mg twice a day to build up immunity. If flu symptoms develop, take 2,000 mg every hour up to bowel tolerance, and see a doctor. Large doses of C cause loose stools. But better to sit on a toilet than under a gravestone.

http://www.pno.ca/item/medi-c-plus.html

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I took vitamin C during a recent bout of “standard” coronavirus, and it markedly reduced symptoms with every dose.

cthulhu

Linus Pauling advocated large doses of vitamin C when you’re ill. If you can find someone smarter to argue the opposite, by all means listen to them.

Gail Combs

YES!
That is why I listed the various vitamins/minerals (with links to science papers) that help your immune system. I just tried the mega dose C with the other vit. & minerals (esp zinc) and it wiped out the cold I was starting to come down with in a day. (Horrible sinus aches)
I am trying a few of the herbals to see if it will help with the allergy/asthma. I am off the almost daily OTC pain killers and anti-histamines for over two weeks and feel better.

michaelh

Looking at something like this for the kiddos.
ChildLife Essentials Liquid Vitamin C Immune Support for Infants, Babys, Kids, Toddlers, Children, and Teens Natural Orange Flavor Liquid Formula, 4 Ounce

GA/FL

Surprisingly, 1 tablespoon of chopped parsley has the adult daily requirement of Vitamin C.
When our daughter was sick with sepsis, I brought her green smoothies with parsley, spinach, banana, pineapple and oranges, a bit of flax seed and whey, plus a little milk for liquid to make the blender work. She seemed to perk up after that. There are very little fresh raw vegetables and fruit in a hospital diet. Everything is cooked and designed for mass production and legal liability.

Cuppa Covfefe

The thing about parsley is that it also contains a TON of vitamin A, so it’s wise to be careful, though it’s wise to eat parsely. Bell Peppers also have a lot of vitamin C (and other nutrients); I think Red, then Yello have the most…
My niece makes Tabbouleh (sp?), spending (what seems to be) a whole day chopping parsely, tomatoes, oniions, and whatever else goes into it. Great salad, lots of parsely (and lotsa work, for her). She’s probably got a food processor now (I hope)…

Gail Combs

I LOVE Tabouli (Tabouleh) but I usually buy it pre-made.
Add Moussaka, Dolmeh (stuffed Grape leaves) Spanakopita (spinach filled pastry) and finish it with baklava and I am in heaven.

singularzoe

I’m Not a scientist, but my father was a pharmacist, therefore very knowledgeable, and he believed in high-dose C when ill. I also know there is an iv c treatment for sepsis that is said to be very effective, which standard treatments are not. I would try this. I take a lot of c every two hours when I am ill.

Teagan

My internist of several years ago, until he retired, said the same thing…at least 25 years ago! (He said 1000 mg every hour) I’ve posted it before but in case some didn’t see it, I just wanted to mention it again. I’ve followed that advice since then.
As an aside, another nugget he told me…at first sign of a UTI, start taking L-lysine….stops it immediately.
BTW, he was a believer in chelation therapy (for which the medical community attacked him vigorously), not only to flush out harmful metals but also for things mentioned above such as intervenors Vit C.
I hope he is still alive and takes satisfaction that his beliefs and practices are somehow now becoming “acceptable.”

Teagan

Have no idea what an “intervenors” is but thought I should clarify the word was suppose to be intravenous!

Coldeadhands

Linus Pauling…

OW21

Styxhexenhammer666 has been doing a “daily coronavirus update” on his Youtube channel ever since this whole thing started. I listen to it each morning. He usually sites current statistics and then throws in his own two cents, common sense info, etc. Be forewarned, his language is very rough, but he has been ahead of the curve on the whole thing, IMO.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Good deal – he red-pills a LOT of people out there – he’s also popular with the libertarian and “long-haired” side of MAGA. Good deal!!!

OW21

Wolfie – Yes – he calls himself a Libertarian, but he is fully on the Trump train and just loaded with common sense, if you ask me. He’s also a Vermonter and thinks Crazy Bernie is a worthless commie, based on real life experience as one of his constituents. I listen to him every day.

Gail Combs

Styxhexenhammer666 is a good guy, I watched his Utubes on occasion until they got shadowband/censored.

OW21

Gail – he’s still there. I watch him every day. He also has a presence on Bitchute and Minds.

duchess01

Petition to impeach Moon over South Korea handling of coronavirus as cases hit 1,261
PUBLISHEDFEB 26, 2020, 7:49 PM SGT
Chang May Choon | South Korea Correspondent
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/petition-to-impeach-moon-over-south-korea-handling-of-coronavirus-as-cases-hit-1261
SEOUL – More than 730,000 people in South Korea have signed a petition to impeach President Moon Jae-in over what they claim is the government’s mishandling of the outbreak of Covid-19 in the country.
The number of infections continued to surge, hitting 1,261 on Wednesday (Feb 26).
The petition criticised Mr Moon for not banning all visitors from China, where the coronavirus originated, and for sending three million face masks to China. Only visitors from China’s Hubei province are banned from entering South Korea.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yes, Moon is a bit of a dupe, which I hate to say about a “fellow Moon”, but there you have it. The Koreans could use somebody who gets Moon’s wish to work with Trump for peace with North Korea, but is a bit less of a CHUMP.

duchess01

He is a liberal like SOX in Canada – Backwards Liberal Thinking is their POX.

michaelh

LOL your insightful rhyming ROX 🙂

duchess01

* Giggling *

TheseTruths

Weekly updates are needed, IMO. I appreciate all the threads that have evolved as information has become available. And the media is doing a substandard job. Our researchers and reporters are top-notch.
Trump administration response: “Exclusive: U.S. mulls using sweeping powers to ramp up production of coronavirus protective gear” 2/27/2020
From the article:
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President Donald Trump’s administration is considering invoking special powers through a law called the Defense Production Act to rapidly expand domestic manufacturing of protective masks and clothing to combat the coronavirus in the United States, two U.S. officials told Reuters.
The use of the law, passed by Congress in 1950 at the outset of the Korean War, would mark an escalation of the administration’s response to the outbreak…
U.S. health officials have told Americans to begin preparing for the spread of the virus in the United States.
The law grants the president the power to expand industrial production of key materials or products for national security and other reasons. The biggest producers of face masks in the United States include 3M Corp and Honeywell International Inc…
Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Alex Azar told lawmakers this week that the United States needs a stockpile of about 300 million N95 face masks – respiratory protective devices – for medical workers to combat the spread of the virus. The United States currently has only a fraction of that number available for immediate use, Azar testified.
During an interagency call on Wednesday, officials from HHS and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) discussed the possibility of invoking the Defense Production Act for the manufacture of “personal protective equipment” that can be worn to prevent infection, according to a DHS official.
Such equipment can include masks, gloves and body suits.
Azar said at a congressional hearing on Wednesday that China controls “a lot of the raw materials as well as the manufacturing capacity” related to face masks.
“Very little of this stuff is apparently made in the (United) States, so if we’re down to domestic capability to produce, it could get tough,” the DHS official told Reuters.
A White House official confirmed that the administration was exploring the use of the law to spur manufacturing of protective gear. Both the DHS official and the White House requested anonymity to discuss the issue.
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This info was given anonymously. If it is true, I am struck by the administration’s quick response, but also the fact that, even though they are trying to stop the spread here, they think we need all those masks and other equipment. That makes me think they are preparing for the worst and we should, too.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Great info! Some related tweets from over on FLEP’S thread….

Aubergine

I think it is also possible that President Trump isn’t preparing for the worst with coronavirus, but for ANY future outbreak.
It’s possible that Trump was unaware of the critical shortages of PPE in this type of scenario. We expect him to know everything, but that’s just not possible.
I can see him being outraged by this, as he was by the unpreparedness of our military when he came into office. He will correct the deficiency ASAP. This shouldn’t be an issue in the most prosperous country in the world. Also, he is a germophobe, so he must be appalled.

Gail Combs

“That makes me think they are preparing for the worst and we should, too.”
Not necessarily. As Daughn explained in her last virus article, China made an aggressive attempt to corner the market on ALL medical stuff, protective equipment, medicines…. President Trump sees the virus as a useful crowbar to pry that market back away from China.

duchess01

Coronavirus: Japan to close all public schools for a month, starting March 2
PUBLISHED | FEB 27, 2020, 6:07 PM SGT | UPDATED7 HOURS AGO
Walter Sim | Japan Correspondent
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/coronavirus-japan-to-close-all-public-schools-for-a-month-starting-march-2

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

SMART. Now – here is something to consider.
Trump and Abe are LIKE||THIS. Japan would not be doing this unless it was getting THE BEST information from us, in combination with its own information. So suffice it to say that (1) Japan must have more of a problem than we do, and (2) they are getting ahead of it.
Japan has certain geographic and cultural advantages that have protected it historically. Japan can leverage those advantages HARD to stay clean of the virus for a long time, or eliminate it quickly, and acting FAST and STRONG is the exact way to do that. GET AHEAD OF IT.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

If Japan is DRACONIAN, they could even save the Olympics. Make it as hard to come to the Olympics from overseas as it is to get Japanese citizenship! OK, not THAT hard, but maybe as hard as getting a work visa!!! Yes, I’m seeing the strategy here. Get BRUTAL on things and save the Olympics at the same time as the population.

Teagan

I have no doubt that if Abe and his government want the Olympics, it will happen.

duchess01

Agree – Abe is no fool – like Trump – he takes decisive action – and has been ‘getting ahead of it’ like Trump –
Wonder if there is a travel ban – or a closed border (Korea) is in the offing – it may be the Chinese have already been prevented from entering – fortunately for Japan – they have no problems with migrants.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yes, that nasty globalist Christine Lagarde and her IMF buddies were trying desperately to make Japan take migrants.
LOSERS!!!

duchess01

According to Dave of the X22 Report – Lagarde is being very quiet from her perch in her new globalist job – global finance is in a quandary and hemorrhaging badly. Trump is running roughshod all over the globalist financial market – and they do not like it one bit!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

This virus release will be the biggest globalist backfire EVER.

duchess01

Hahahaha! What I was thinking – we are on the same page with this one.

grandmaintexas

PT just takes what they throw and turns it to our advantage, every single time.
Release a flu pandemic? Ok, let’s close our borders and expedite manufacturing of meds and medical supplies here at home.
There must be wailing and gnashing of teeth amongst the globalist cabal.

duchess01

Agree, grandma – notice how Trump has (behind the scenes) prepared us for this – Border Wall – Early Ban – List of counties from where no one is to be admitted (new) – Getting control of the narrative and DS CDC foibles – Team of Experts appointed to Task Force – he was way ahead of the curb BEFORE the DIMS labeled it as a ‘crisis’ – saw in a video the word ‘crisis’ appeared in tweets and MSM reporting – this is no coincidence – they WANT it to be a crisis – and PT wants it MANAGED!

grandmaintexas

He NEVER panics. Perfect President for our time.

duchess01

Amen goes right there, grandma!

Teagan

My Japanese friends have daughter, SIL and grandchild living in Thailand on assignment ….they had reservations to visit family in Japan next month but are now banned to travel.

duchess01

Sad, Tea, it has come to this!

gil00

2.28.20
Takano is a flunky. Orange man bad.
“RIVERSIDE COUNTY, CA — Federal health workers were given inadequate training and protective gear when they were sent to care for Americans evacuated to March Air Reserve Base from the epicenter of the new coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan, China, according to a whistleblower’s complaint.
The complaint, made by a senior official at the Department of Health and Human Services, was filed Wednesday and first reported by the Washington Post.
According to the whistleblower, HHS staff at March ARB in Riverside County, and at Travis Air Force Base in Solano County may have been exposed to the coronavirus due to the lax safety measures. 
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The workers had face-to-face contact with evacuees but had no training for wearing protective gear, and were never tested for coronavirus themselves, the complaint alleges, according to the Post.
The workers in question included about 14 personnel from the Administration for Children and Families sent to March ARB, and another 13 sent to Travis AFB. A Solano County woman was reported Wednesday to have the first U.S. coronavirus transmission of unknown origin, a development that could lead to the country’s first outbreak.
The safety risks were dismissed by federal officials, the complaint alleges, who said the whistleblower’s concerns were harmful to staff “morale,” according to the New York Times.
The whistleblower allegations prompted Rep. Mark Takano, D-Riverside to call for an investigation.
“I am extremely concerned and alarmed by the allegations a senior official at Health & Human Services has raised in a whistleblower complaint regarding HHS workers who received evacuees from Wuhan, China, at March Air Reserve Base and other bases in California,” Takano said Thursday.”
https://patch.com/california/banning-beaumont/workers-treated-ca-coronavirus-evacuees-improperly-whistleblower

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

That’s OK – I think if we GET BRUTAL here, too, then it will blow up on that flunky. Go in there, raise hell, and at the same time investigate the hell out of California’s “virus footsie” with CHYYYNNAA that seems to be angling for money. Treat California like China-occupied territory and send in a bunch of CIA agents along with the HHS and CDC investigators. Fix that place RIGHT UP, just like PR. 😉
Every COMMIE CRISIS is an INVASION AND INVESTIGATION OPPORTUNITY!!!

gil00

CA is a mess like no other. Its got significant problems in every aspect of noteworthy topics. Im grateful for the sanity island I live in.

Deplorable Patriot

*****they’re listening to CNN and MSDNC.*****
DING DING DING
Get news from other sources, and perspective changes.

Gail Combs

THEY ARE LISTENING TO THE SES ‘RESIST!’ EMBED IN CDC!
I listened to one of her phone update with reporters a couple days before President Trumps conference and it was FULL of mis-information. Nancy Messonnier needs to be removed from that job ASAP!!

Alison

I will put my 2 cents in here for my ‘normal’ flu/cold prevention protocols:
I use eye drops and saline nasal liquid twice a day, and ear drops (Debrox) at night before bed. Keeping those pathways clean and moisturized is vital. We often forget to include ‘lubricating’ our ears, but those canals lead right back to our nasal sinuses.
I think it was Michael (?) who mentioned using lotions to keep hands from drying out and getting those skin cracks.
If I’m going to be in a crowd, I put a very small dab of neosporin on the inside edge of each nostril.
When I get home, first thing I do is wash hands with hot water, then cup water in my hands and sniff it up into my nostrils then gently blow my nose. I will also gargle with hot water, or even salt water if others have been coughing/sneezing. Alkolol (OTC In drug stores) is also a very effective gargle liquid.
Stepping up my game for coronavirus … I’m not convinced masks are worthwhile UNLESS you also wear protective eyewear AND have a proven sanitary way to remove the glasses and mask. I will wear protective gloves when in stores (which is best reminder not to touch face) and remove them as soon as I’m back at my car, turning them inside out as I remove them.
Being vigilant about not touching counters; using knuckles to enter data in devices; eliminating a purse when possible; not touching public handrails, etc.
Wash everything we wear more often. Perhaps separate coats that aren’t washable into another closet, and use only coats that wash. The sleeves of garments are germ collectors.
Increase intake of water, hot teas & clear soups; eliminate sugars.
Others have already listed the herbs & vitamins so I won’t repeat those.

michaelh

That wasn’t me who said it but still good advice 😉comment image

TheseTruths

It might have been ForGodndCountry.

Gail Combs

It was FG&C.
I mentioned I use petroleum jelly instead. I found that a combo of moisturizer + petroleum jelly mixed in the palm of my hand and then applied to my face before X-country skiing prevented wind burn. I use pure petroleum jelly around my eyes to protect them from pollen and dust. Since doing that I rarely get itchy eyes any more.

Teagan

Some good tips, Alison. We live in a small town so aren’t as exposed as others might be….I would be much more concerned if I had to take public transportation and that’s definitely when I would wear a mask and gloves, etc. I remember my mother used to out either a dab of Vick’s or Vaseline
Just one other minor idea to consider….spend time outdoors! When my father had lung cancer, we were told that because he was a serious gardener and spent lots of time outside he had prolonged his life by at least a few years. The point being, breathing in good air is a cleanser for your upper respiratory system.

Alison

Great tip about fresh air !! And vicks or vaseline ‘barriers’

GA/FL

Hi Alison,
Questions:
What kind of eyedrops do you use?
Are the ear drops prescription or OTC?
Do you make your own saline nasal spray?
Thanks for the tips!

Alison

I use either Refresh or TheraTears eye drops.
The ear drops are Over The Counter and are called Debrox Drops – supposedly for ear wax removal, but they are a great lubricator – I lie on my side, pull my ear lobe down to expand opening and put a couple drops in. Your ear will feel ‘plugged’. Lie still for a couple minutes, then turn on other side and let any excess drain onto a kleenex, and wipe inner ear with kleenex. The ‘plugged’ sensation should be gone. Repeat with other ear.
I just buy the drug store or grocery brand of saline nasal spray. It doesn’t really ‘spray’ – I tip my head back holding one nostril closed and squeeze the liquid into my nostril. Some might run down into throat. I do same with other nostril, then bend i
over with head down and turn head side to side before standing back up and GENTLY blowing nose. It’s easier than it sounds and gets the liquid into the nooks & crannies of my sinuses 🤓

GA/FL

Copied – Thanks so much!

duchess01

Zach Vorhies & Dustin Nemos Discuss Coronavirus Covid19, Fearporn, and What Lurks Beneath
February 27, 2020
Dustin Nemos
https://www.sgtreport.com/2020/02/zach-vorhies-dustin-nemos-discuss-coronavirus-covid19-fearporn-and-what-lurks-beneath/
#DustinNemos #StopBitBurning #WWG1WGA
Zach Vorhies & Dustin Nemos Discuss Coronavirus Covid19, Fearporn, and What Lurks Beneath
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=hrw0JPGyQ1Y&feature=emb_logo

wheatietoo

Can we reuse our face masks?
I’m sure it’s probably optimal to discard them after each use…
But until they are more plentiful…in the interest of conserving them, can we reuse them for several outings?

churchmouse

No, reusing face masks is NOT recommended.
(Source: a video someone posted here within the last week featuring a WHO physician who demonstrated how to put one on and take it off.)

churchmouse

Better advice (British health ministry): wash hands FREQUENTLY. UK experts do NOT advocate face masks.

grandmaintexas

But why do all the medical workers use them? Is it a matter of lack of training on the part of non medical personnel?

grandmaintexas

Interesting. Thank you.

🦋🤸‍♀️🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🤸‍♀️🦋

Dr. Seagel on Tucker just said Moisturize your hands before sanitizer. Sanitizer dries your hands out, making them crack, which allows more germs in.

Teagan

However, from what I’m reading…yes without question washing with soap and water is the best but that is not always an option nor even practical. The hand sanitizers are a good back- up for purse or pocket and the wipes are good for wiping down commonly used areas.
We went to a performance earlier in the week and I had some of the wipes in a little baggie…discretely wiped the theater seat arms quickly as we settled into our seats along with our hands after handling doors, railings, etc.
Personal opinion is that I certainly wouldn’t throw away hand sanitizers…they are mainly alcohol and that has been used for decades to sanitize.

Alison

Medical workers have many patient bodily fluids they are protecting their faces from, not just viruses.

Volgarian8301

They are also used to protect the patient from the normal flora that can be breathed out by the healthcare worker, especially around wounds, dialysis shunts, venous access devices, etc. Depending on the setting it is not always for healthcare worker’s protection, but for the patient’s protection

Alison

Good points, Volgarian! Health care workers are in a substantially different environment than other public areas.

churchmouse

***Medical workers tend the sick.***
***The environment is the difference.***
General advice is that, if you’re running your errands at the supermarket or the mall, you’re highly unlikely to run into a coronavirus victim.
Even if masks were recommended, I doubt most people could wear one and take one off correctly, then throw it away in a bag to isolate it from other detritus, then wash their hands thoroughly afterwards.

grandmaintexas

I’ve run into two Asians wearing masks today. One the cloth type and one an N95.
In my little, rural area. 😒

singingsoul1

I saw my son today and he shared his insight about the virus with me.
1) wash your hands do not touch your face.
2) get a flu shot if you did not get one.
3) eat a good diet and get proper rest not to get run douwn
4)do not touch doorknobs keep inviroment clean
5)when you feel sick have a fiever go to the doctor
6)no need to wear a face mask unless you are sick.
My son is a research scientist works in the medical center in Ann Arbor has great experiences with viruses and has a PhD .
This was his advice to me but he said each person needs to do what they think but much bad advice out there.
Unless we find out more this was the advice.
He said our medical teams are better our high gene is better and diet
is better than China.
He was upset how the media is scaring people.

churchmouse

Thank you, singingsoul, for passing along your son’s scientific advice. Much appreciated.
There is a lot of bad advice out there. UK media — well, at least two newspapers that I read yesterday — is trying to get the public to panic. The public know better and have been critical of their alarmism.
Yesterday, Prime Minister Boris Johnson issued a 47-second video with subtitles with the hand-washing advice, ‘That is the single best advice we can give’:

I was in London yesterday for lunch. Took the train and the Underground both ways. I saw one person in a mask: an attractive twenty-something woman wearing a black cloth mask. Sorry, that mask is not going to do much, especially as it is not a disposable.
The place where I went for lunch has small dispensers of Purell-type sanitising gel for people to use. One is in the bar area and the others are in the restrooms.

Valerie Curren

My special needs son has gotten all of his surgeries & most of his clinical care in Ann Arbor at U of M hospitals, which he calls our home away from home. No matter how scary the procedure (& he’s had 2 open heart, brain tumor out through the nose, & a liver transplant plus more than a dozen lesser surgeries) I always feel pretty confident placing his life in the U of M team’s hands. Of course, he’s always in God’s care & has an amazing relationship with the Lord. Glad your son is part of the Ann Arbor area team of pros!!!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Check this out:comment image
Buzzfeed Smear Falsely Accuses Trump and Limbaugh of Saying Deep State Created Coronavirus
February 27, 2020, 12:57 pm by Kristinn Taylor 167 Comments
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Wolf talking….
This is very important. What this means is that there is some chance these folks were actually involved in some kind of plot. This just raised “DS” involvement here by about 10% in my calculations.
A PREEMPTIVE ACCUSATION of a SHOCKING EMERGENT TRUE BELIEF on a NOTABLE OPPONENT is a standard commie way to PROVOKE A HIGH-LEVEL DENIAL.
Allow me to repeat in a different fashion.
Getting an opponent – especially an authoritative one (or two) to DENY something very early, before all the facts are widely known, is a standard leftist way to PROTECT themselves on the issue.
So – based on Buzzfeed trying to provoke a denial – it is MORE LIKELY that DS really did have something to do with this virus release, or that elements in “the deep state” somehow conspired with the communists in China – perhaps to help them GET the virus.

GA/FL

The DS (politicians, media and bureaucracy) are SENSATIONALIZING, MANIPULATING and POLITICIZING this new flu outbreak – just like they do everything else!!!!!

GA/FL

….and if we don’t watch out – the DS/leftists will WEAPONIZE it.
They have no reverence for human life – no sense of fair play – no reticence to create chaos and pain.

GA/FL

…by fair play – I mean what President Trump called ‘working together for the good of the country.’
Look what all they have put our nation through in the last 3 years!!!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Absolutely. They are willing to CRASH this country to fulfill their utopian foolishness. Kinda nuts.
Nuts at best – evil at worst.

kalbokalbs

Respectfully, They ARE evil, at best.
They = D-Rats, MCM, COC, deep state, globalists… And, Pierre Delecto for good measure 😉
They, are pointedly working, conspiring to destroy America, for their power, their money and their ego.

Gail Combs

AND they do not give a damn how many millions they kill to achieve their goals.
Remember they WANT to reduce the human population by 95% to about a 1/2 million.

GA/FL

Perfect example of leftist DS media sensationalizing, manipulating, politicizing, weaponizing:

GA/FL

Search ‘Pence virus’ on Twitter – you will see a massive effort by the Democrat twitter feeds to hype the threat and blame PDJT and VP Pence.
It’s the Russia, Russia, Russia and Impeachment hoaxes all over again!!!

Cuppa Covfefe

Innoculation of a fake news sort…
Kind of a perverted form of projection… using the truth to foment a lie…

Volgarian8301

Guilty dog always barks first😉

michaelh

Yeah. Now I’m convinced. Deep State is behind the Corona virus.
https://twitter.com/Alison4Trump/status/1232738174624907264
“Now we have the coronavirus” – Eric Holder
Pirbright in Canada is origin. Best source outside U.S. jurisdiction -> No U.S. export intercept! Orchestrated delivery to target.
Also DS actor means China has “clean hands” – they didn’t (themselves) release it in Wuhan. So when the propaganda says the U.S. released it . . . they mean the D.S. released it.
“We didn’t do it – was U.S.!” => China paid the D.S. actors to get it, ship it to China, and blame it on the U.S.
Pirbright = Bill “Cow Burp” Gates.
Bill Gates invests $40 million to create a ‘super cow’
https://nypost.com/2018/01/29/bill-gates-invests-40-million-to-create-a-super-cow/comment image
Remember:
WTF: Gates Foundation Sponsored Training for ‘Fictional’ Coronavirus Outbreak That Caused 65 Million Deaths Last Year
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/wtf-gates-foundation-sponsored-training-for-fictional-coronavirus-outbreak-that-caused-65-million-deaths-last-year/
As documented here:
Trump: “They wanna kill our cows! That means you’re next!”
https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/02/01/trump-they-wanna-kill-our-cows-that-means-youre-next/
PETA getting in on the act with Gates anti-dairy at Starbuck’s:
Idaho Students Protest Starbucks for Not Giving Them Free Vegan Milk
https://montanadailygazette.com/2020/02/28/idaho-students-protest-starbucks-for-not-giving-them-free-vegan-milk/

“The socialist Democrats want to shut down American energy, They support Representative Occasion Cortez – that’s a real beauty . . . that’s a beauty I can’t even believe it but I don’t want to knock it. Because the Green New Deal which would crush our farms, destroy our wonderful cows. I love cows! They want to kill our cows! You know why right? . . . You know why – don’t say . . . They want to kill our cows! That means you’re next!
VSGPOTUSDJT knew about this Corona viral plot well in advance . . . and positioned himself in front of it

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http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/files/2007/07/bill-gates_angry21.jpg
“Curse you Villain!”

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yup – I’m totally on the same page. This goes back to the plan Grathwohl heard the EDGES of.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/10/eliminating_25_million_america.html
70’s radicals. That is where this idea started. They’ve played dupes all the way along for the pieces they needed. Bill “Putty” Gates.

michaelh

Say what you will about Bill Gates – the man is NOT stupid :-/
As for the Grathwohl testimony, this crew of people are all very connected.
Larry Grathwohl on Ayers’ PLAN for AMERICAN RE-EDUCATION CAMPS and the KILLING of MILLIONS

“. . . the plan of the Weather Underground after taking power. The same Weather Underground headed by Barack Obama’s friends William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, the people in whose house he launched his political career, and with whom he has worked and spoken on the subject of educational reform.
“Confederate Yankee discovered a video clip of testimony given by former Weather Underground member/FBI informant Larry Grathwohl, in which he speaks the following chilling words:”

I asked, “well what is going to happen to those people we can’t reeducate, that are diehard capitalists?” and the reply was that they’d have to be eliminated.
And when I pursued this further, they estimated they would have to eliminate 25 million people in these reeducation centers.
And when I say “eliminate,” I mean “kill.”
Twenty-five million people.
I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of which have graduate degrees, from Columbia and other well-known educational centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people.
And they were dead serious.

michaelh

Please check the spam bin, thx!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Nothing of yours there.

michaelh

Oh and BTW, we know the Democrat’s (DS) plan. Levin tipped us off to what the Democrats have been putting in plain sight:

Mark Levin: The Last People I Want Playing Doctor Are Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/02/28/mark-levin-the-last-people-i-want-playing-doctor-are-chuck-schumer-and-nancy-pelosi/

the Democrats, they go to the microphone and they attack, not just the president, the professionals — the CDC, the NIH, the HHS. They don’t know anything.
What is their plan? What the Schumer-Pelosi-Sanders-Biden-Buttigieg-Warren- Klobu — whatever? What are their plans? Well, they have great plans for containment — open borders, eliminate ICE, no vetting of foreigners, sanctuary cities, naturalize and destroy the greatest healthcare system on the face of the Earth, destroy our pharmaceutical companies that will come up with the solutions.
The solutions won’t be in any of Bernie Sanders’ favorite communist regimes. They won’t from the Scandinavian companies. They’ll come from us. They’ll come from capitalism. What do they support? Massive taxes. What is their containment plan? They have no containment plan. What is their vaccination development plan? They have no vaccination development plan. Meanwhile, they attack the president of the United States. The answers won’t come from the liberals and the Democrats, which is why they attack.
Something shocking happened the other day, Sean Hannity. There was an AP fact check. The National Institutes of Health and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention they say are not suffering from budget cuts that never took effect.
Yet you listen to Schumer. He wants $8.5 billion. For what? He can’t even tell you, Dr. Schumer. Indeed, they say the money the government that sees, detect its first half the fight the latest outbreak was a congressional fund created for health emergencies in the past. Some public health experts say a bigger concerns that White House budgets is the steady erosion of a CDC grant program for state and local public health emergency preparedness. You know what happened? They cut it. Past congresses, before this president even took office.
They say the broader point about there being nobody here in charge, I’ve been hearing Pelosi say, that to coordinate the response sell short what’s in place. They have a whole system in place. A pandemic system in place that automatically triggers — they have an automatic system in place. The president doesn’t have to trigger it. It’s at work right now.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

OMG, yes – I can see it now – they would double-weaponize this sucker (which was supposed to happen under Cankles, since I’m convinced now they’ve been plotting this since the 70’s). They would say that medicine needs to be MORE socialized – MORE controlled – etc., etc., after the virus epidemic. So they wipe out all the old reactionaries, per the Weather Underground radical plans, but then they play it the other way for tighter control.
Oh, this was well thought-out.

michaelh

Also don’t skip over the “Massive Taxes” part. We’ve heard that SO MUCH from the Dems for years that we are desensitized to it. Yes, it’s part of their plan. A BIG PART. And no not just for the cash grab – which we know doesn’t work.
*https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/02/29/dear-kmag-20200229-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-413385
Want to point this out real quick.
Why do Democrats want “Massive taxes”?
Well, why did Democrats oppose the Trump tax cuts?
What were the Trump tax cuts designed to do?
* Give back money to the middle class (Dems want crushed, enslaved, controlled, info limited)
* Repatriate America dollars, businesses, and jobs
The reduction in the corporate tax rate was to get the U.S. corporate tax down, so it would be competitive with the rest of the world.
Why do they want to raise taxes back up and higher still?
Drop the assumption that the Democrats are doing anything in the U.S. national interest.
The reason, of course, is that they WANT America to be economically uncompetitive with the rest of the world.
They want all the money, wealth, and wealth creators to flee.
It would be just like Venezuela, and all you would need to do is to increase taxes.
And just like that, you could crush the American economy.
And then what?
See above, Levin reveals the DS plan.

michaelh

Feb 19, 2017, 12:40am
Bill Gates Warns Of Epidemic That Could Kill Over 30 Million People
Bruce Y. Lee
Senior Contributor
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2017/02/19/bill-gates-warns-of-epidemic-that-will-kill-over-30-million-people/comment image

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Gates
And
Bruce

michaelh

Yeah giving Rush the Presidential Medal of Freedom at SOTU was genius.
* Honored Rush Limbaugh publicly as the American hero he is
* Properly drew attention to him and his fight with cancer
* Forced the Democrats to watch
* Deputized Rush on his side
* Coded message from Trump directed toward Obama and DS – coded, but heard loud and clear. Obama strategically abused his power to give the Presidential Medal of Freedom – Biden, Gates, others of his cronies. Did he abuse it to deputize people to his operation? If so, Trump is hijacking their messaging and intentions. “You take their game and you shove it right back in their face. The team that is finally willing to do this is the team that has a chance to put them down.”
Now DS is on the attack against Rush – he’s a live threat again, not just an annoyance.

Valerie Curren

Wasn’t Buzzfeed one of the early “sources”/recipients of the Clinton/Steele “dossier” (pack of lies)? Would that be relevant some how?

michaelh

Relevant? Yes. Buzzfeed is a weaponized FAKE NEWS front.
When the MCM can’t push a story directly to the mainstream, they use an outfit like Buzzfeed as a convenient news feeder.
On the dossier no MCM outlet would touch it. Only when Buzzfeed reported it did CNN pick it up.

Valerie Curren

So it’s actually Faker Fake News!

michaelh

LOL Yes exactly!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yes – they have a real agenda. I give them ENORMOUS side-eye!!!

michaelh

An important observation is that all the major players are dancing around this origin issue. No one is going to come out and say it is DS. Most likely the MCM already has their marching orders on this and are ready to pounce on anyone with the “muh conspiracy” talking points. That’s why this is being baited, and/or bait and switch to get a denial. Either option is fine – it’s a WIN/WIN to get this accusation out there.
* EITHER get Rush et al. to go on record DENYING it . . .
* OR get Rush et al. in a media ambush when they AFFIRM it.
Backchannel knows playbook, must remain silent. It’s ok, we are ready.
There will never be a clear confirmation – only coded messages.
And there have been coded messages . . .
*https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/02/26/20200226-alex-azar-and-other-govt-officials-testifying-on-coronavirus/comment-page-1/#comment-411712
. . . Listen to Azar during the briefing . . .
He said “well calibrated
36:55 actions taken with the strong support of
36:57 his scientific advisors have proven to
37:00 be appropriate wise and well calibrated
37:03 to the situation we’re grateful for the
Now who was it who introduced us to this usage of the word “calibrated”? July 24th 2009?

GA/FL

This morning
60 – CoV19 patients in USA
42 – from the Diamond Princess cruise ship
15 – mostly from travel to China
Johns Hopkins map:
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
We have to consider and recognize that the news coverage is adding to the alarm.
IF they did the same global map for normal winter flu, that map would look a lot worse.
Similar maps for drug ODs, STDs, auto accidents or abortions would also be extremely alarming.
Re: STDs in USA and Western nations – there is all too frequently a Syndemic situation – where the patient has multiple concurrent STDs.
In a sense, this is worse than an epidemic or pandemic from the attending physician’s point of view – because having multiple diseases complicates and even prevents some treatments – because medication for one STD can exacerbate/aggravate the other STDs and their symptoms.
On top of that – several STDs are incurable (HIV, HPV, Herpes, Hepatitis, Super-gonorrhea) so only the symptoms can be treated.
On top of that, these patients are often unwilling to cease and desist from spreading the disease, unwilling to take medications due to lack of discipline, lifestyle problems such as drug/alcohol addiction, mental health issues, or the unpleasant side effects.

GA/FL

Addendum:
This morning
60 – CoV19 patients in USA
42 – from the Diamond Princess cruise ship
15 – mostly from travel to China
1 – secondary infection of close family member of China traveler.
1 – unknown cause case in California, being called ‘community spread’ though that has not been proved.

GA/FL

Sorry – Just to be clear – The last 2 are included in the total of 60 US cases.

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