Dear KMAG: 20240401 Joe Biden Didn’t Win ❀ Open Topic


Joe Biden didn’t win. This is our Real President:

AND our beautiful REALFLOTUS.


This Stormwatch Monday Open Thread remains open – VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA/KAG/KMAG world (with KMAG being a bit of both).

And yes, it’s Monday…again.

But we WILL get through it!

We will always remember Wheatie,

Pray for Trump,

Yet have fun,

and HOLD ON when things get crazy!


We will follow the RULES of civility that Wheatie left for us:

Wheatie’s Rules:

  1. No food fights.
  2. No running with scissors.
  3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.

And while we engage in vigorous free speech, we will remember Wheatie’s advice on civility, non-violence, and site unity:

“We’re on the same side here so let’s not engage in friendly fire.”

“Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven that Wolf has created for us.”

If this site gets shut down, please remember various ways to get back in touch with the rest of the gang:

Our beloved country is under Occupation by hostile forces.

Daily outrage and epic phuckery abound.

We can give in to despair…or we can be defiant and fight back in any way that we can.

Joe Biden didn’t win.

And we will keep saying Joe Biden didn’t win until we get His Fraudulency out of our White House.


Wolfie’s Wheatie’s Word of the Week:

equiparate

adjective, verb

note: all uses are rare, obsolete, historical, or scholarly

  1. equivalent
  2. to treat or regard as the same
  3. to level
  4. to compare
  5. to perform equiparation
  6. to transfer attributes from one object or concept to another

Used in a sentence

Despite his very name, Wolf regarded it as a significant fallacy to equiparate human rights with animal rights.


MUSIC!

This was almost “stuff”, but as you can see, it’s MUSIC, too!


THE STUFF

Sorry – that weird rap video make me investigate these two movies that I haven’t seen. Now you have to see them, too!

Well, that was weird!

Let’s try something else.

Maybe there’s a third option. Dune 2?

Just sayin’!

And remember…….

Until victory, have faith!

And trust the big plan, too!

And as always….

ENJOY THE SHOW

W


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pgroup2

I miss wheatie.

cthulhu

I do, too.

TheseTruths

Wheat had class and strength.

WSB

💔

Linda

Me, too.

Valerie Curren

 💔 

smiley2

me too. 💖

pat frederick

me too!

kalbokalbs

Incredibly welcoming AND thoughtful.

rayzorback

I miss Daughn

singingsoul1

I give thanks to the incredible people who are with us . Each one is appreciated by me including you 🙂
Of course I also think fondly of those who had been with us and chose to move on.

WSB

You are so sweet, love!

Valerie Curren

 😍 

singingsoul1

🙂

pat frederick

her too!

pat frederick

i am looking to joining in with those new adventures!

Valerie Curren

how so?

pat frederick

when we meet up with wheatie in heaven…angels have jobs to do…she can use help

Valerie Curren

Gotcha! Selfishly I hope you stay This Side of Paradise for a Long Time to come!

rayzorback

I hope so 🙂

PAVACA

daughn
kyblue
Sylvia Avery
Lady Penquin
phoenixrising
grandmaintexas

And others.
Miss them all.

kalbokalbs

PHC… Filly, thankfully she is on another site. Marica, the same. Butterfly busy. FG&C keeping his AC safe. Michael family, works, school… So many more. Our conspiracy gal. I really like the stuff she comes up with. Agree or not, thought provoking. I’ll quit for now.

Grateful for everyone that shows, daily or simply when they have time and the inclination.

PAVACA

kalbo
Agreed.

WSB

phc…..a gem of a Brain and all heart. Wonderful Troublemaker!

🤠

scott467

Sadie Slays
Jason
OzzyTrumpster
Tonawanda (just saw Tonawanda here recently)
Elizabeth Carter
J.W. in Germany
SingularZoe
Butterfly

And others who occur to me throughout the day.

GA/FL

Amwick

kalbokalbs

Sadie is the gal I was, am missing. Along with all the others.

Valerie Curren

Yes & Emerald Star & Angelle Staria among many others…

kalbokalbs

So many good folks.

Valerie Curren

Amen!

GA/FL

Flep!

Valerie Curren

Amen! I thought he lived in MI though, or used to…

Valerie Curren

 😍 

kalbokalbs

Was thinking Flep escaped to FL. Or planned to. Not sure why I thought that.

I do recall he was in NY, trying to lay low. Hmmm. Really smart guy. Miss him.

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WSB

Blaze.

pgroup2

That grumpy old … ???

/s  😍 

singingsoul1

Me too she will be in our hearts for a very long time.

Aubergine

Same.

cthulhu
kalbokalbs

Blackmail and or “book deal” of sorts.

Golden Parachute Deployed in Gallagher’s favor.

pat frederick

then the true repubs need to shoot a hole in his parachute and take him out sooner. dispel him. whatever hold they have on him? someone else knows too

kalbokalbs

Weak r-Con sister Mike Gallagher, blackmailed. Coward. Zero integrity.

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cthulhu

A Brazilian model wore this to a Disney park…..

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I’d wonder if Jessica Rabbit was still in Toontown.

scott467

Never mind… 😂

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cthulhu

She’s not bad. She’s just drawn that way.

smiley2

is it’s name Bulbous ?

bulbous mouth
bulbous boobs
bulbous butt

pretty eyes though

raise yr hands if you think it’s a narcissist !

🙌🖐🖐💋

cthulhu

As a general rule, people who take selfies of themselves from hotel room closet doors probably have narcissistic tendencies.

smiley2

obviously, in her case, it goes way beyond just taking selfies.

pat frederick

you think her eyes are pretty?
I think they’re dead eyes.
no warmth, no emotion.
she’s a blow up doll.
no lines on her face, and those lips? scary. looks like she got stung…repeatedly.
their is no “human-ness” in her appearance.
i imagine needing a jacket in her presence because she radiates icy coldness.

pgroup2

Yikes, that’s rough. But accurate.

pat frederick

sorry. she just looks plastic and phony to me.

pgroup2

Yep.

Barb Meier

It looks to me like her big butt comes out of her left hip. Is this AI?

Aubergine

Great description.

As an artist, and appreciator of all things beautiful, I think that woman is ugly.

She is highly sexual, which will appeal to men’s lust, however.

pgroup2

Not me.

scott467

“She is highly sexual, which will appeal to men’s lust, however.”

______________

Looks strange, all the way around.

I’m concerned about the dwarf she stuffed in the back of her pants. That can’t be healthy for either one of them.

There is nothing feminine about her.

Just looks hostile, aggressive, masculine, superficial.

I had a blue corduroy bedspread when I was a kid. Now I know what happened to it.

Zero attractiveness.

It’s as if she’s trying to be unattractive.

Like modern art vs. classical art.

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pat frederick

OMG–THANKS FOR THIS!
i spit water all over the floor over that dwarf comment!!!

scott467

Then my work here is done! 😂

pat frederick

😂

Valerie Curren

It’s “little person” don’t you know/s  😂 

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

She has “enhanced” things that often need enhancing…but it’s overdone to the point of being grotesque.

I briefly dated someone who was convinced she needed to buy herself a huge butt.

Her ex- apparently really fancied them and she seemed to be assuming all men’s tastes are the same, despite my protestations to the contrary.

pgroup2

blue corduroy bedspread” is a total LMAO.

scott467

😁

kalbokalbs

Even by my standards, Y U K !

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GA/FL

Mama woulda said ‘she’s trollin’

Valerie Curren

Oppenheimer made me think of my great uncle who worked on the Manhattan Project as a machinist. The work went on 24 hours a day & one day the guy doing his job on a different shift was killed when the piece he was machining “exploded”. My uncle didn’t know what he was working on for the duration of his time there.

He was in the Army & his record listed him as AWOL when he was working on the MP. Apparently he was given a phone number to be called in the event he was having trouble w/ commanding officers based on his blacked out record. At one point he was being called on the carpet by a General who was irate at the AWOL & blacking out of material in my uncle’s service record. He gave this man that number to call & stood there silently as the General went all meek & mild w/ whoever was on the other end of the phone. General was saying “yes sir” & “no sir” to this mystery individual. That was the end of the issues that my uncle had with the army for his seeming AWOL situation…

I think my uncle was out of contact w/ family for roughly 3 years when working on the MP.

cthulhu

Interesting anecdote.

People normally think about the MP in terms of fissile material and blackboards full of physics, but there was a lot of machining done for things that had never been done before.

Valerie Curren

Yes & machining to Extremely Precise tolerances.

My dad tells that anecdote Way better than I can even attempt to do it justice 🙂

By the way, that uncle was a fairly neurotic type of individual, at least later in his life when I knew him. I bet he would have had a Very Hard time doing that MP job if he Actually Knew what he was working on so secretly  🙄 

He had a Serious Coin Collection in Burbank, CA that disappeared after his death…He used to take significant portions of that coin collection w/ him on his travels & sometimes tell people about the rare items he had…crazy…

pgroup2

A coin collection of any size is a heavy thing to tote around.

Valerie Curren

Yes. He was a pretty large man, & so lonely after his wife died in the 70’s. He was widowed for about 3 decades before passing. Maybe toting some parts of his coin collection gave him comfort or a sense of security & a conversational topic. I think he had special folios & metal cases for toting around some of those coins, iirc. The collection was in a large safe in his home, I believe, & That Too disappeared after he died…

pgroup2

That Too disappeared was stolen after he died…

FIFY.

Valerie Curren

No doubt…TY

Deplorable Patriot

And building test facilities. Don’t ask me how I know this.

TradeBait2

Yup. Older folks around here in east TN remember. Had an uncle from a town nearby who was brought back home from the Navy during WW II to become a “fireman”. He might have put out the “fire” from that “exploding” piece. His service record only showed 15 months service during the war, yet, he was on the reservation the entire time of the war.

pgroup2

And a lot of that ‘excellent engineering’ is now in the grave. How much was transmitted to the next generation is an open question.

TradeBait2

The stories that were told by the scientific community in Oak Ridge were limited, probably due to classification. The machinists, techs, construction workers were not permitted in the sensitive areas. It was all still very controlled in that area back in my day. I had a friend from church who was a product development leader for DOD (since retired) who had one of the highest classifications. He told us some declassed stuff on the laser weaponry program that he had handled previously. He also gave us the standard line that if he told us what he knew he would have to kill us. We believed him. 😀 If I were to guess it would be that we are a good 20+ years farther along with our military resources than people think.

He was a Dem backer and Trump going into power scared him to death because he knew what PDT would learn. He had been programmed to believe PDT would start WW III. He had bought into the orange man bad deal of the Dem crime machine. He retired toward the end of PDT’s term, possibly disappointed that PDT turned out to be a peacemaker.

WSB

Wolf,

Ever seen the original ‘Wages Of Fear’? Movie. Old.

Scarier than most scare ‘em ups!

Valerie Curren

Very Interesting. The stories they could tell…if allowed!!!

Valerie Curren

Hubby found this one 🙂

Johnny Cash’s grandson sounds almost just like him!

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Aubergine

Looks a little like him, too.

The difference I notice in the voice is the low notes. He can’t get down to where Johnny did.

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pgroup2

Well, he probably didn’t have the dope monster on his back like Johnny did.

Aubergine

I sure hope not.

Valerie Curren

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cthulhu

I didn’t get much done with the computers today — the weather was nice (in between the rains) so I mowed the front lawn and vacuumed-up a bunch of spiky balls.

cthulhu

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They get everywhere and don’t rake well, so I go after them with a shop vacuum. It can pull them out of all sorts of plantings, and you get a “ssss-thock” whenever you collect one — almost like a video game.

cthulhu

During the late 1970s and throughout the 1980s, Sweetgums were a popular landscaping and street tree. Three varieties, Palo Alto, Festival, and Burgundy, introduced in the late 1950’s by the Saratoga Horticultural Foundation in Palo Alto, California became popular in the urban landscapes of California because of their pleasing appearance, striking fall colors, and ability to grow quickly and thrive; however, as the trees matured, the damage caused by surface roots and the increased production of seed balls led to the tree being considered a nuisance and a liability. Thousands of trees would be removed and repairs had to be conducted on nearby structures damaged by roots. The Western Arborist published a study that concluded that Sweetgums accounted for the greatest number of trees causing damage; in the city of Alameda alone it was found that 69% of Liquidambars planted in the city were either damaging or beginning to damage nearby structures. It is now recommended that the trees be planted at least 15 to 20 feet from structures and that they should not be used as street trees.

— wikipoo

WSB

There ya go.

kalbokalbs

Well, not the spikey things I guessed above. Some day I’ll learn to scroll on a bit. Read the “rest of the story.”

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pgroup2

Did you go off on the ‘dirty mind’ rabbit trail?  😂 

kalbokalbs

Out of character, thought I was behaving. Then one typing finger hit a L, instead of a K.

In my defense, it was way early, I think. ~4:30AM.

Valerie Curren

4:30AM” That’s midway through Hubby’s drive to work LOL 🙂

GA/FL

Yep – it’s as sweet gum ball. I have them in my yard.

pgroup2

A sweetgum fruit husk.

Deplorable Patriot

They make great fire starters.

WSB

Wow! Love this, DP!

WSB

I hate those. Do not have them, but when I visit PA, I hate those.

kalbokalbs

Chestnut tree(s) my guess. Walking to from grade school. We’d lick them along the sidewalk. Occasionally throw them at each other. Good’ol kid fun.

cthulhu

Liquidambar — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquidambar_styraciflua

Drops ugly green flowers at this time of year, large branches in summer, leaves in fall, and spiky balls in winter. Horrible maintenance problem.

pat frederick

you lick them? what do they taste like?

cthulhu
kalbokalbs

  :wpds_lol:  Stepped in it again.   :wpds_lol: 

pat frederick

i thought perhaps it was a delicacy. I have always been a picky eater…lol

pgroup2

Lick???

Dang — you ran with a tough crowd.  😂 

mollypitcher5

One of my brothers had to wear an eye patch for awhile after a kid shot a gumball at him with a slingshot. They were all a bunch of heathens. Once they pinned me to the ground and made me smell their disgusting tennis shoes. 😅 

pgroup2

OMG.  😮 

Brothers can get seriously sadistic when they outnumber the girls.

WSB

All you need is one. I still have not recovered.

Valerie Curren

I’ve got 2 little bros & my daughter’s got 3 big ones 😉

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Valerie Curren

My kids used to fart on the nose of this stuffed monkey, nicknamed “The Butt Monkey”, & then take turns smelling it. Sometimes they skipped the stuffed animal & just went straight to the source. They told us these things after they grew up…

  :wpds_chuckle:    :wpds_envy:    :wpds_chuckle: 

mollypitcher5

Doh! Aren’t your kids the ones that light farts on fire ? Lots of heavy duty fartin up thar!

Valerie Curren

Not my kids, but I did see my brothers do this when we were staying at a hotel in Arkansas for a cousin’s wedding. They were in their 20’s at the time & getting scorch marks on their tightie whities  😅   🙄   😝 

pgroup2

Seriously?  🤔  😯  😖  🙃 

Valerie Curren

When one of the middle boys is autistic & 3 of the 4 kids have ADHD it’s amazing what they get up to…LOL…

cthulhu

Two dogs will do things that one dog won’t do.

Valerie Curren

bwah ha ha

WSB

I got a ball point pen shot into the back of my head by a fourth grade punk.

During class.

hmHe was suspended. I ended up at my Mother’s local doctor’s office with antibiotics and a really swelled injection site!

Will never forget that one. Hurt.

I wonder if he ever did any jail time.

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Valerie Curren

Ouch 🙁

I got hit in the head w/ a rock launched from like 50 yards away by a random boy for no known reason while riding my bike toward the bike racks at the beginning of school. I’ve got a 2 inch scar in my hairline & that’s where my hair first went gray. I had blood gushing down my face, but head wounds bleed a lot. No stitches thankfully 🙂

WSB

Holy crap!!!!!! That should have killed you. OMG!!!!! Life-changing!!!!

Do you remember the iron jungle gyms at grade school?

My head slammed into one of the horizontal bars.

Lost a bit of consciousness for a minute.

The bump was a perfect rectangular shape. WEEKS! Like a large hot dog!!!

How did we survive?

I just watched Harry and Snowman yesterday. Never knew about the history.

Biography about a Dutch immigrant to the US who eyed a white horse destined for a dog food factory.

Bought him for $85.

The rest is history of show jumping with a horse and a man who both had big hearts for each other.

When I was 12, I was also jumping 6 ‘-0” high fences. With a HORSE underneath!

How the heck did I survive?

Completely dangerous. I just did not know.

Better.

cthulhu

When I lived in Santa Barbara (post-college), I got in the habit of going down to the annual horse show (it was free) and watching the competitions.

Similar to the dog show agility courses, horse jumping goes in a certain path around the ring. The fastest score with no faults wins. In the event that there are too many horses and riders with no faults, they knock down a bunch of the jumps and compete faster on the shorter course.

We were watching one group of riders who were something like 13-15, and knocking down a jump left two jumps nearly touching at right angles to each other. Everyone else took one jump and went a short loop around to take the other jump square on.

Until one girl on a large stallion went over the first jump, reared the stallion on its hind legs, and bunny-hopped over the second jump sideways. The entire arena gasped.

It was a superb demonstration of her horsemanship that she could ask it from her horse, knowing that her horse could (and did) deliver that jump for her — and she could still remain on the horse.

Unfortunately, the contest went on some additional rounds and her audacity did not win her the coveted prize…..but it was one of the most memorable moments I had ever seen there.

WSB

Dang! She should have had a VIP ribbon.

The only time I fell off a horse was with Freckles.

NEVER NEVER DO THIS!!!! Never let anyone else check your saddle!!!!!

I thought I had an ambassador. Someone who would watch my back at a qualifier.

When you first put your saddle on the horse, the horse normally bloats up. Kind of like a protest vote.

The saddle is NOT TIGHT. So, you always check it again. Always!!!! Always tighten it about two to four holes, right before mounting. I was riding two horses that day, so switching.

I had another person check it it. STOOPid!!!!

Short…Freckles jumped but knew my saddle was rotating sideways off of her. I was turning counterclockwise as she was taking off of land for the jump.

She jumped very delicately and somehow my head cleared the jump.

Then she just stopped! On the other side of the jump.

Not to drag me, and I gently fell off sideways.

I could have had a really bad time of it that day. But Freckles knew exactly what to do.

May God bless all of our creatures.

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Valerie Curren

Priceless, precious tale  🤗 

WSB

And PS That is crazy nuts! There is no thrust!

cthulhu

Yup. I wish I’d gotten it on film, but this was before ubiquitous video.

Valerie Curren

Amazing!!!  😍 

Valerie Curren

Wow amazing tale. My dad always said that his family (my maiden name) were known for hard heads & weak ankles LOL I’ve sprained my ankles 3 times & Dad sprained his many times & had to “walk it off” & keep playing football or basketball even, playing through the pain. I usually couldn’t bear the weight of a sheet on the injured foot for a couple days. My dad can be a bad A!

Our kids’ old Christian school had one of those tall “banned” metal slides like many of us had as kids. Baking hot in the sun & so slick you’d go sailing off the end at the bottom & if lucky get to take out a couple kids not paying attention. They have fun memories from all that stuff. Hubby’d love to find one & one of those banned merry-go-rounds &/or teeter-totters so that the grandkids can discover the fun of a Real (danger remains) playground!

Hot dog head LOL When I had all 4 wisdom teeth removed one Summer when home from college my one side of the jaw swelled up & my brothers kept mocking me & calling me Swo which would make me laugh & Hurt so bad until it finally healed up…eventually…  😂 

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Valerie Curren

What a blessing for you to have those horse-riding AND jumping experiences–WOW! 

Valerie Curren

My grandpa allowed bullies to put a June Bug on his tongue when he was a kid to prove how tough he was & get them to leave him alone. My hubby told that story to our kids Up North on one vacation & they All decided to partake of that family tradition…yikes…& we’ve got the pictures to prove it!

It’s especially jarring to see our sweet little blond-at-the-time girl w/ that bug!

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pgroup2

Mighty strange family tradition, I must say.  😆 

Valerie Curren

No doubt. Up until Hubby’s shenanigans it was really just a one-off event, as it should have been. I think the kids are actually proud that they had the same nerve as their great grandpa 😉 I couldn’t do it

cthulhu

Boys will be boys.

Valerie Curren

Thank the good Lord for that!

WSB

Oh, yuk!

Valerie Curren

100% agree. I can’t stand those bugs. They Really creep me out!

scott467

We had walnut wars.

Big bright green walnuts, with a strong odor, freshly dropped from the trees, they were everywhere, maybe 2/3rds the size of a tennis ball (and about the same color). Kids lined up on the sidewalks on either side of the street, facing each other, and start throwing as hard as we could 👍

Like getting hit with a baseball… surprised nobody ever got a concussion 😂

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Valerie Curren

Our neighbor’s crab apple tree got similar usage by the neighborhood kids, mostly boys…of course.

On our friend’s farm I got to drive their pick-up truck back & forth over the walnuts, like in the pic, to get the husks loosened up, one Summer, or was it Fall?

scott467

kalbokalbs

Katie always fun to listen in on.

AND, she connected some dots, regarding Dali.

While a portion of FSK sits on Dali.

Yesterday, someone posted, high pressure gas line directly under Dali.

  • 100% coincidence.   :wpds_question: 

Vlad and his folks in the know gotta be gut busting on this one. Yet, perfectly straight face in public.

  :wpds_arrow:  CIA, DoD…FAFO. <<< Dumbasses.

kalbokalbs

Even Slow Guy got that one.   :wpds_wink: 

Aubergine

She’s right about the killing more than six people. I have asked every day since the beginning, who was in the cars that the sonar found in the river after the accident? There were at least half a dozen. Why is no one talking about that?

Aubergine

That’s what I think, too.

This was a straight-up attack on our country, by a foreign actor, one that TPTB DON’T want to acknowledge.

Aubergine

Done! Messaged you back.

kalbokalbs

IF TPTB acknowledge the Act of War, taking out FSK, they are obligated to take action.

Then, face the music for allowing it to happen.

It’s an election year.

NOTHING to see in Baltimore.

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Aubergine

Yep.

scott467

“IF TPTB acknowledge the Act of War, taking out FSK, they are obligated to take action.”

_____________

In Rational Land they might be, if they weren’t D-rats. But we left Rational Land way behind, back in November of 2020.

We’re through the looking glass now.

scott467

“IF TPTB acknowledge the Act of War, taking out FSK, they are obligated to take action.”

__________

No black swans crashing the markets (and what’s left of the economy) allowed before the election.

Wouldn’t be prudent… at this juncture…

.

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pgroup2

That toon is excellent.

TheseTruths

I kept reading that there was no one in the cars. Construction workers were plunged into the water, but the cars that fell off the bridge were empty. Maybe those were vehicles that transported the workers to the bridge and the workers were not in them when it collapsed. It also seems odd, but fortunate, that not one passenger vehicle was on the bridge when it went down. They were able to stop all the traffic in time. That’s the official story. 🤔

Aubergine

Well, I’m not buying the “official story” really.

Valerie Curren

SOP 😉

Valerie Curren

You guys, I had the weirdest encounter w/ a bunch of cops last night.

We had grocery coupons that expired yesterday (I found them when gathering paperwork for taxes this weekend) so decided to make a store run after Hubby went to bed. After shopping I loaded all my stuff in the car & decided to walk through the mostly empty parking lot, maybe a dozen cars for like 100 spaces, looking for dropped change AND get a little exercise while I had the energy.

There was a fast food restaurant across the street with a car there w/ headlights on facing the grocery store lot, maybe cops in it but not sure. They do sometimes hang out near that restaurant to nail people who try to take a left turn out of the restaurant lot as there’s an almost unnoticeable “no left turn” sign on the other side of the road from the restaurant & a relative got a ticket & heard about that “trap” in traffic court.

Anyway I’m walking the parking lot in a sort of grid pattern scanning the ground for coins & when I’m far enough away from parked cars, but nearer to the restaurant, I’m quietly singing a worship song to the Lord as I look.

Anyway, suddenly a cop car comes driving up to w/in 10 feet of me & 2 cops get out & the driver starts asking me all sorts of questions. Supposedly dispatch has sent them to intercept the suspicious person in a “red hoodie” causing a disturbance & knocking on car windows. I had not touched Any cars & usually was at least one parking space away from Any car in the lot as I was walking. Also I had on a red “shrug” with a purple hooded sweatshirt on underneath, which I showed to the cops.

While officer hostile is talking to me in a fairly rude & condescending manner another cop car approaches & a young male cop gets out & stands to the other side of me; they’re both about 5 feet away from me at 10 & 2 o’clock, ironically. Then 2 more cop cars pull in sort of behind the first car & sort of flank it & 4 cops get out. The only one talking to me is from the first car but all of them stand in front of or near to their cars that are almost in a semi-circle around me at the edge of the lot furthest from the store door, w/ NO CARS Anywhere near me (at least 50 yards away) but the cops’ cars, & all cops who are now in intimidating stances facing me.

Anyway First Mr. Rude Cop basically tells me I need to leave or if they get called again he will give me a citation for disturbing the peace! At this point there are Maybe a half dozen other cars in the lot all by the store’s entrance w/ no cars near me, except all these cop cars of course.

Main cop demands my full name, address, phone #, & birthday, & I offer to give him my DL# (which I have memorized) or even retrieve my ID from my car about 30 yards away (where I’d locked it) but he doesn’t want either of those options. So I Slightly Meander back toward my car, attempting to canvas part of the lot I had yet to traverse, get in my car, & drive directly home. Cops don’t leave the lot until I do…

I get home & recount this weirdness to Josiah who is Extremely Thankful he hadn’t gone with me for he’d probably have had some type of meltdown & perhaps told off the cops & got us both in trouble. Anyway I was fairly pissed to get accosted like that for doing nothing wrong in a public place, minding my own business & bothering no body (except in some type of fever dream of me knocking on car windows) w/ allegedly multiple calls from the public (I wondered if the cops were even lying about this since they are allowed to lie to us but not vice versa, sigh) to deal with “little” “old” grandma me, public menace or something…  😳   🙄   😜 

cthulhu

Your surveillance record shows that you comment at theqtree.com.

Valerie Curren

LOL At least I don’t carry a personal tracking device with me  🙃 

cthulhu
Valerie Curren

Disturbing read

In a statement to Fox News and Reason, FBI’s Oklahoma City office spokeswoman, Kayla McCleery, asserted the FBI’s commitment to protecting Americans and upholding the Constitution, clarifying that investigations do not stem solely from First Amendment-protected activities.”

She’s hoping to ghost write a humor screenplay it would seem…

Valerie Curren

I just finished recounting this “adventure” to Hubby & he’s inclined to think of it as a form of “blowback” from The Enemy, as he was part of a small group of men who ministered in a maximum security men’s prison on Saturday. He’d never done such ministry before & was very moved by the real church experience shared with these imprisoned brothers-in-Christ. Hope he goes back when another opportunity arises, but we’ll likely need to be even more Armored Up before he goes to do such “battle” again…  🙏   🙏   🙏  Our daughter might be on deck for a similar outreach to a women’s facility in the near future too…

TheseTruths

I think “cops being cops at night” is likely. As much as I can understand walking around and looking for coins, that could be seen as loitering and somewhat suspicious. I’ve seen people hanging out in parking lots and accosting others for various reasons: asking for money, trying to sell something, even supposed car trouble (which can happen, but sometimes you get a spidey sense when people aren’t being truthful). It’s an unfortunate reality, and discernment is needed to navigate such situations but also to keep oneself from being suspected of participating, unfortunately.

I also had the thought that we don’t know what the cops knew or were looking for that night or during that general time frame. There might have been ongoing activity in the area. Human trafficking has been mentioned. There could have been theft rings or scammers of various types, too.

Valerie Curren

Thx TT. If the car in the restaurant lot was Actually cops I could see Them having called dispatch on me & then acting like it was the general public. However, the “knocking on car windows” line was a complete fabrication, perhaps designed to escalate the situation & have them view me as more of a “threat”  😂  rather than an “oddity”  🙃  At least I got a story out of it!

Valerie Curren

I appreciate these insights but really had hoped to dodge the OCD AND neurodiverse labels LOL

Valerie Curren

Like my house LOL 😉 😉 but only just a little bit, you know, like “normal” amounts  😂 

cthulhu

“Normal” is a statistical term, not a value judgment.

Valerie Curren

I somehow managed to dodge Stats, as a class, as a counseling rather than a psychology major in grad school!

We don’t do no stinkin’ “normal” around here!

numbersgirl

I’m going to add a little different spin to this based on my interaction with law enforcement. I was raised to be respectful of law enforcement. I am a law abiding citizen. As a business owner I have interacted with our “small town” police force a few times in the recent past and it was not a good experience.
The officers were stone cold robotic. A few were downright nasty. They were not helpful. It’s another institution I can no longer trust to be what I always thought it was.

If the shit hits the fan as some have predicted, I won’t look to the local police to be the heroes our community thinks they are.

Valerie Curren

That’s an unfortunate, but necessary, view of cops, it seems, based on some of our recent encounters. I wish it were more the “small town cops” approach where they are “serving & protecting” their community & seemingly pretty approachable. However it seems like they Start Out w/ an attitude & put the citizen’s teeth on edge before the situation has even been discussed, let alone teased apart.

I agree with you that this is another institution that can no longer be relied upon to do it’s stated job, nor even necessarily keep within the bounds of the Constitution, local law, or even “common” decency. It’s sad for we used to have much higher regard for cops but now that’s just mostly from afar, not usually when we have had any face-to-face encounters with them.

It’s probably a hazard of the job to look at everyone with a degree of suspicion. They could generate more goodwill & community spirit if they didn’t Start Out w/ that swagger & chip on the shoulder, though.

mollypitcher5

NumbersG, I’ve heard the same thing second hand from someone I know.
My rah rah for the PD has gone down a lot.

Valerie Curren

I have to contrast the view I just shared about cops in general w/ an encounter we had with Staties, State Police, a number of years ago.

We were driving back from my parents’ Northern Michigan Cottage at the end of a holiday trip, with work & school happening the next day. We were about 1 1/2 hours from home pretty late at night when the van’s electrical started acting wonky & then the vehicle literally conked out & hubby eased off I-75, coming to rest w/ our hood just below the exit sign, on the grass strip between the interstate & the exit ramp, so we knew Exactly where we were, in the vicinity of Flint, one of Michigan’s notorious armpits.

Hubby had a cell phone then & we called my mom to see if she’d give me my godparents’ phone # as we were about a half hour from their home & thought they might be able to help us. Mom didn’t want us to bother them but she did call the State Police to notify them of our situation.

Well Michael had called AAA & we were waiting on the tow for a while, 2 adults, 4 kids, & a large black lab mix dog. Our autistic son was getting pretty restless. By the time the tow truck arrived it was pretty late & he was willing to help us out. It was one of those tilting flatbeds so he’d put the van up on it & take it to a relatively nearby repair shop so hopefully we could get it back sometime the next day (everything was closed up at that time of night).

The tow truck driver was going to have me & our autistic son, who was basically flipping out at this time, in the cab with him & let the rest of the family & the dog ride in the van on the flat bed of his truck. He was also willing to drive us to a nearby motel after dropping off the van at the shop.

Just as he’s getting the van situated on top of the flat bed the staties arrived, Mom having called in the cavalry…They were NOT happy w/ the tow truck driver who wasn’t supposed to have Anyone in the vehicle on top of his flat bed but we begged them to go easy on him as he was just trying to help us out (we Clearly had no money given our vehicle & visible possessions LOL)…

Anyway the cops ended up taking Michael, our 3 non-special needs kids, & the dog in the back of their car & followed the tow truck to the repair shop (Josiah & I were still riding in the cab of the tow truck & that poor driver had to witness an Extended autism meltdown…sigh).

On that ride the cops asked Michael what our plans were & he told him we were going to try to stay at the motel near the exit where the van died. Well the cops did some digging & said that place wasn’t safe so they found a better motel/hotel? in the area, called it for us explaining the situation & got us a discount deal allowing the 6 of us AND the dog in that one room, all against the business’s typical policy. They also warned us to be on the lookout for drug dealing activities, which freaked out our son when he was walking the dog a few times during our stay. The cops & the tow truck driver then dropped us & some basic luggage off at that place before going about their other business.

The hotel/motel was very kind to us & allowed us to stay later than check-out time until our van was repaired, w/ no extra charges. So hubby missed a day of work, & the kids missed a day of school, & we were out lots of money on the van repair, but much less money on lodging than had the staties not helped us out. So this extended experience made us pretty appreciative of the state cops, at least for that specific situation.

Sometime later I was telling my godmother about those events & she was like “Why didn’t you call us, for we would have helped you???” & I’m like “Mom didn’t want us to bother you”…it’s all good though now 😉 😉

pat frederick

you sparked a memory. when i first started working at a local borough office, lots of the townspeople would come to pay their water bills and meet me, the new Secretary and the new water clerk. Our second day there, a older man introduced himself and we all chatted a few minutes. then before he left, he gave us advice. he asked if we parked outside in the back and we both said yes. he said make sure…SURE…you lock your vehicles. i said i always do, but there’s nothing in there anyone can take.
he looked me straight in the eyes and said “It’s not what they’ll take OUT dear, it’s what they’ll PUT in.”
i said the cops are right across the hall.
his answer…”who do you think will put it in?”

as time went on, i learned all about the local cops–like why there were footprints on the ceiling of the patrol car–and that the rot went straight to the top.

pat frederick

this little borough had a population under 2,000 folks. i thought a small town would be better.
sigh

Valerie Curren

Human nature, needing redemption since Eden

Valerie Curren

Oh My!  😮 

Valerie Curren

“trust” but Verify

scott467

Could it be that they were staking out the parking lot for some anticipated crime or criminal rendezvous, and your presence, walking around the parking lot, was preventing whatever they were waiting for?

So possibly they just confronted you to scare you off?

It’s seems like such a crazy overreaction on their part that something bigger was hopefully the cause.

Valerie Curren

I hadn’t thought of That possibility.

Accosting out of shape 60 year old grandmas is no basis for a system of security!  😜 

cthulhu

I take it that there was no farcical aquatic ceremony nearby?

Valerie Curren

Not that I’ll tell  😘 

Valerie Curren

Hubby has been obsessing about this event on his hour drive to work & just called me to talk more about it. Apparently that particular grocery store lot is notorious for human trafficking activities, so you might be onto something w/ your thoughts  🙄  Perhaps the cops were observing the place & my coin searching was messing up their “sting” or something…  😮 

Valerie Curren

Only slightly better than Being their quarry   :wpds_shock: 

Aubergine

OR they thought you were a participant.

Traffickers use kind-looking older women to lure and kidnap young girls.

Valerie Curren

That’s a disturbing, though viable, thought. Sometimes I hate this world!

Aubergine

Yes, I do, too.

Valerie Curren

Hubby can’t wait to go Home! More now than ever…

pat frederick

whoa…i was waiting for the April Fools line

Valerie Curren

I wish. See my reply to NumbersGirl for another tale in our family archives…

https://www.theqtree.com/2024/04/01/dear-kmag-20240401-joe-biden-didnt-win-%e2%9d%80-open-topic/#comment-1259322

kalbokalbs

On the positive side, wherever you live there are No illegals or crime for the cops to fret over.

Just harass a Guilty White Grandma.

(Almost posted an Old White Lady. But you are NOT old, yet.) 😎

Valerie Curren

Yeah LOL. That neighboring community already had a significant Latinx (LOL) population back when our kids played them in sports so clearly no illegals live there now nor cause Any disturbances/s

Hitting 60 last month made me Think I was old–don’t feel it yet–by the numbers, as Hubby is still in his 50’s for a few more years. Robbing the cradle & all!

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Valerie Cougar.

Valerie Curren

LOL Real world nicknames I had as a young adult included Paws & Tigresse…neither of which had anything to do w/ guys, but one had to do with mountains 😉 😉

PAVACA

Valerie Curren
Wow, what a weird experience. IMO, the cops were possibly on edge about something. But there was no excuse for any of them to be rude or intimidating, let alone threatening you with a citation.

Valerie Curren

I wonder now if they actually entered my data into some system so that I’ve got a “record” of sorts floating around  🙄  I hope they just skipped the paperwork on this one, but if dispatch was really involved I would guess that’s not possible…

Valerie Curren

If the Black Hats deem you to be a White Hat is that good or bad?  😂 

Valerie Curren

TY PAVACA\, I Really want to hear Leno’s “police blotter” telling of these events! LOL

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mollypitcher5

That’s nutz Valerie. That situation had the potential to go bad if you’d been verbally combative or something. It bugs me that they can lie about why they detain someone. If they had bothered to watch you for a few minutes they would clearly have seen you were not touching cars.

Valerie Curren

Exactly Molly. & when they accosted me I was practically as far away from the other cars in the lot as it was possible to be & still be within the lot. It was all very weird  🙄 

pgroup2

Make a complaint to the PD and a separate complaint to your local council critter.

Consider making a public records request to the PD for all records of the incident, including body cam videos, computer comms between officers [they rarely use radio any more], field encounter notebooks of each officer, etc.

Find a good criminal defense lawyer and pay for an hour worth of his/her time regarding the deliberate intimidation effort towards you.

Don’t misunderstand this question — what is your race?

Valerie Curren

I’m a white American mutt 🙂

pgroup2

I sort of knew that but my paralegal brain kicked in.  😂 

Valerie Curren

my twins are involved with &/or married to POC, does that count on dialing down my “privilege” meter 😉 😉

Valerie Curren