“We do not believe any group of men adequate enough or wise enough to operate without scrutiny or without criticism. We know that the only way to avoid error is to detect it, that the only way to detect it is to be free to inquire. We know that in secrecy error undetected will flourish and subvert.” –J. Robert Oppenheimer
We continue to mourn the untimely passing of our beloved compatriot DePat, known in real life as Susie Sampson, and also as author Patricia Holden.
Until we have a dedicated author for the Tuesday daily open thread, I will be posting “placeholders” like this one, which may or may not be spiced up with additional content.
Gudthots will take DePat’s old Thursday daily open thread.
Please notify me in advance if you would like to post anything in lieu of the Tuesday placeholder. We welcome all content – the topic doesn’t matter.
W
Some Thoughts on Art, Science & Religion
I’ve promised that I would talk about certain things dealing with science and religion, but in the process, I realized that I would likely need a “pre-talk” for reasons I’ll make clear.
I have also been engaged in activities in the art world, which made me realize that “my liberal friends” are in a very similar situation to us – and yet it’s almost unknown to people here. I want to talk bout that, too, because it might help people to see something analogous to our own problems afflicting somebody else.
SO – let me get to the point in a few paragraphs, if I can.
I want to start off by addressing my fellow believers in God.
I believe something very simple, which you likely agree with, but which may seem baffling to some.
I believe that it is more important to be right about the existence of God, than to be right about anything else, particularly the worldly truths of what we call “science”.
There are many reasons behind this, including numerous citations from both the Old and New Testaments, as well as a basic acceptance of the central message of Jesus Christ. As a follower of Christ, I not only believe the following as a consequence of accepting his authority on the topic – I find it “true in practice” as a biblically consistent part of His teachings.
“If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
Some might say to me “Who are you, to be accepting this for any reason BUT authority?” – To which I would reply “I’m a human who God made skeptical – so I test everything!”
Anyway, my immediate point is that I am going to be talking about things which might conflict with other people’s deeply held religious beliefs. If so, then I invite you to ignore me, and to ignore what I will have to say. I will not be offended. While some may believe that testing belief strengthens it, others do not, and I refuse to pick a side in that fight. I invite YOU to make a choice – hear me or ignore me.
Inside you is a child, and I don’t want that child to stumble.
OK? Good! Let’s move on.
One of the things that I have noticed with my “liberal art friends” (some of whom may be “liberal arts friends” as well) is that they have ALL LEFT TWITTER/X. They are all on BlueSky now. They have chosen a walled garden – a plantation – where they can censor each other off the platform as hard and unfairly as they want.
They are now fully in an echo chamber, and they can no longer hear us.
I am not actually sure what needs to be done next. X is much more peaceful, now that so many leftists have left.
The main thing which I have noticed among these BlueSky leftists, is the almost supernatural effect that the “trans narrative” has on them. It is a necessary virtue signal that MUST be adhered to by even the most open-minded and otherwise scientific BlueSky leftists.
This is where I begin to see a great truth. Almost everybody has “science” they don’t like and don’t believe, but which other people, often a majority, do believe.
In fact, it gets even finer. BIOLOGY bothers almost everybody. And even worse, there are people who come up with bad solutions to the “bother” – many people are then attracted to the bad solutions – and together they form what one could call “pseudoscience movements”.
It’s a mess – am I right?
Well, I will do my best.
Anyway, please stay tuned for more some interesting science. Which I invite you to ignore, or even suggest you ignore, if questioning your beliefs gets in the way of your salvation.
At the invitation and specific request of the site owner, I’ve compiled a succession of historical facts, trivial items and some established palace intrigue to put into perspective the Scandals of the Catholic Church both sexual and Francis himself who is a walking scandal. More or less, this is how we got to here: where the laity don’t really, necessarily believe in the Real Presence of the Eucharist anymore and may or may not actually go to Mass regularly, that’s if they still identify as Catholic regardless of their Baptism and Confirmation which mark their souls as members of the Faithful.
To avoid making this walk through history entirely too long, which it might well be anyway, and primarily about Dogma (I’m leaving as much of that out as possible), we’ll begin well into the play at somewhere after the Council of Trent closed in 1563, AD.
From Her inception, temporal and satanic forces have tried to bring down the longest lived entity on Earth, the Catholic Church, and following the splintering apart of the northwestern part of Her (in the 16th century) resulting from protests that came in the form of open revolt, the behind the scenes forces seeking to destroy the Bride of Christ hatched a plot to do so via what amounts to destruction from within. By all accounts, the origins of the current campaign are in the 17th century at the hands of Freemasons. Further research is needed to confirm this, but the notion is backed by one of the whistleblowers in the Church who is currently in hiding, and in fear for his life.
Whether or not that is the case, and leaving aside for now the French Revolution as being part of the overall campaign to destroy Catholicism, and the questions surrounding the Rothschilds and the Vatican Bank loans of 1832, there does exist a document known as the PERMANENT INSTRUCTION OF THE ALTA VENDITA dating from the early 19th century which was published in 1859 by Pope Pius IX. It is the instruction by and to the Freemasons in Italy and France, primarily, outlining the plan for destruction of the Church and her Traditions. It was never meant to be published. But over a hundred years after Catholics were forbidden to be Freemasons, it was published by the very person targeted within its words: the pope.
Following this publication is the first marker in this section of Church history: the First Vatican Council in 1869.
Essentially, the result of the First Vatican Council was Papal Infallibility on matters of faith and morals (on nothing else is he infallible, but that little tidbit gets ignored by the news sorts). The council itself was planned in secret and not announced until June 29, 1868 (the Feast of Sts. Peter and Paul). Pope Piux IX made sure that it could not be corrupted, but it did open a can of worms that comes up later.
The second marker in this mini-era happened on October 13, 1884. (Lots of Church things happen on October 13.) It is an incident not well known outside of the Church, but Pope Leo XIII, one of the longest serving popes after St. Peter, Pope Pius IX, and Pope Saint John Paul II, said Mass in his private chapel, and after the Purification heard a conversation happening in the vicinity of the Tabernacle.
When asked what had happened, he explained that, as he was about to leave the foot of the altar, he suddenly heard voices – two voices, one kind and gentle, the other guttural and harsh. They seemed to come from near the tabernacle. As he listened, he heard the following conversation:
The guttural voice, the voice of Satan in his pride, boasted to Our Lord: “I can destroy your Church.” The gentle voice of Our Lord: “You can? Then go ahead and do so.” Satan: “To do so, I need more time and more power.” Our Lord: “How much time? How much power? Satan: “75 to 100 years, and a greater power over those who will give themselves over to my service.” Our Lord: “You have the time, you will have the power. Do with them what you will.”
Rather fantastic, yes, but given the events of the next one hundred years….
Following this remarkable exchange, Pope Leo XIII, about the only pope during the time period examined here to have no cause for canonization open let alone completed, went to his study and composed his famous prayer to St. Michael the Archangel. The longer form is close enough to the old rite of Exorcism that it is not recommended it be said by the laity, but the shorter form of it is. And in 1886, the short form of the Prayer to St. Michael the Archangel was ordered to be said at the conclusion of all low Masses. (This will come up again.)
Fast forward a bit to May 13 to October 13, 1917. These are the dates of one of the most discussed Marian Apparitions, Our Lady of Fatima. For those five months, the Blessed Mother appeared to three peasant children in a small town in Portugal giving them messages for the world. Really, what she had to say was more in the form of prophesy, and a lot of it came true.
The Blessed Mother talked about fashions offensive to God being worn at Mass, a World War worse than the one that was being fought at the time, Russia being in real trouble, and a third secret that has yet to be revealed fully it was so terrible, apparently. But if this account is correct, it would explain a lot:
But some say John XXIII fainted when he read the third secret because it specifically states, according to eyewitnesses, that the Pope would betray the flock and turn his sheep over to the slaughter devised by Lucifer himself. John XXIII fainted because he thought he would be the Pope who would open the door to Satan and that he would be the long-awaited antipope.”
And then there was the dancing sun miracle that happened on October 13, 1917, labelled demonic by critics of the Catholic Church. (A lot more was said, but for these purposes, those can be investigated another time.)
We actually are not under any obligation to believe any of this as apparitions are really a private matter and subject to approval by the Church as being supernatural in origin (Fatima is approved), but when the Blessed Mother wants something, she includes a miracle with the request, and flowers, usually roses. That did happen at Fatima. The Church, for Her part, insists that the third secret actually foretold of the assassination attempt on Pope Saint John Paul II, but a lot of us have our doubts.
Back to the timeline….
In the 1920s, we know from Bella Dodd’s claims, records found after the Berlin Wall fell, and at least one book that is out of print, the homosexual infiltration of the Catholic priesthood began prompted by the people posing as communists, actually. The express purpose was to destroy the priesthood itself by sowing distrust in the men of the cloth. This is not the first time homosexuals were in the priesthood. Records indicate there was in issue with this in the Middle Ages, but that’s a subject for another post. What is important here is that the modern infiltration started almost a hundred years ago, with the express final goal of destroying the priesthood. The reason being, this writer assumes, is that so long as a single priest lives, Christ in the Eucharist can (and will) remain on Earth. Without consecrated hands passed down for 2,000 years when the priesthood candidate places his hands between the bishop’s for blessing at Ordination, there is no Real Presence/Eucharist.
So the installation began, and through the decades these men rose in the ranks until some of them were in positions of power. The abuse cases began, and the cover-up networks got their start. And then came the Trojan Horse of the entire effort: the SECOND Vatican Council. That is where the rubber met the road.
Just as an aside, in the backdrop during all this time, the “elites” aka the Rockefellers and their networks, were busy with a campaign that they still have yet to get the Church to cave into their demands. It’s known as many names, but population control is the goal, and the idea is for the people to participate in eugenics willingly rather than being forced to surrender their fertility.
The Second Vatican Council was very open, was attended by prelates of all sorts, and for all intents and purposes, was hijacked by the modernists. They produced documents, some of which are fine, and others that promote heresy. And when it comes down to it, when the gatekeepers of information “translated” the documents from Latin, what they had to say bore next to no resemblance to what was really said in the documents. The Faithful were very much lied to. In addition, the documents were written by known progressives, one of whom was later forbidden to teach theology by Pope Saint John Paul II. Below the rotten fruits of the council are described, but it should be noted pretty specifically that what the council really changed was the power of the papacy. The council, we are told, called for the establishment of the national bishops councils which pretty much carried out the tactics of the plan of making a mess of the faith.
At the time of the council, more than one cleric who would become well known sounded the alarm that Vatican II, as it is known, was not all it was cracked up to be. One was a German priest by the name of Joseph Ratzinger who would become Pope Benedict XVI. The other was a French priest by the name of Marcel Lefebvre who would later be responsible for a schism that has been left hanging since Benedict’s abdication. Both signed the documents and as will be shown below, both sought to right the Barque of Peter in different ways.
Their voices of alarm were, frankly, ignored. And overnight, for all intents and purposes in Church terms, since movement is usually glacial in time frame, everything changed. It took about five years, but would not have happened without the cooperation of three specific groups of people: papal nuncios who recommend candidates for the episcopacy (bishops), bishops who choose the staff for recruitment and seminaries, and the staffs of said offices. Where these offices were filled by modernists and where “rigidity” (a euphemism for orthodoxy) was used as the reason to weed out candidates for the priesthood is where the mess was (and still is) the worst, including the sexual abuse problem. And by this time, 40 years after the infiltration began, there were plenty of the homosexual group in positions of power (ready to be papal nuncios and bishops) to make the rotten fruit of Vatican II happen. (Michael Rose goes into great detail on this subject in his book Goodbye, Good Men.) The goal, just like the elites’ depopulation plan that included lots of artificial contraception, was to get the faithful to leave the Church and quit practicing the Faith on their own.
Between the closing of Vatican II in 1965 and 1970 is when the mass exodus began, just as the cabal (or the Freemasons, or Communists, take your pick) planned it.
The first real visible change that happened was Mass in Latin was suppressed and Mass was to be said in the vernacular. Service music did not really exist at the time, and vernacular hymns were not all that prevalent. So, choir directors used what they could find which was, in a lot of cases, Dogmatically wrong. The Latin vestments were put away and the Gothic ones pulled out, etc.
The changes put into place also called for all Liturgies to be rewritten, beginning with the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. (The last to be rewritten was the Rite of Exorcism, and the exorcists claim it doesn’t work.) Language and the words used are important. The 1968 translation of the Mass was changed in 1970 (it was essentially changed back to the 1968 version in 2012 by Pope Benedict XVI) and the Holy Sacrifice offered on a stone altar became a meal at a table. What are known as propers were dropped (BIG mistake in this writer’s opinion), as was the Prayer to St. Michael the Archangel instituted by Pope Leo XIII. Suddenly, the worship was in dialogue, not directed at the Savior. The changes go on and on. (See “wreckavation” as a practice brought about by Rembert Weakland, Archbishop of Milwaulkee who offered his resignation during the first wave of the sex scandal in 2002 as a gesture, and the Vatican accepted it) Essentially, the sense of wonder and awe, the majesty, and sacredness of the Mass was removed. (So was a lot of logic, but that’s a personal observation.)
This is also the time period when a number of Catholic institutions of higher learning started turning control over to lay boards, the most famous being the Land O’Lakes Conference in 1967 when the Fathers of the Holy Cross surrendered Notre Dame University. This was the period when required Daily Mass for school kids stopped, and all school Masses were 1-3 days a week. The Baltimore Catechism was suppressed. (No real catechesis was being taught, to be honest.) The teaching orders of nuns imploded as they modernized. (Those who did not modernize have healthy populations and vocation numbers.) The Rosary was no longer to be said by the people in the pews during Mass (this is discouraged, actually, but a lot of people did it). The Churches were wreckovated and the music suffered for a lack of trained professionals to lead it. More or less, Catholic culture began to die.
And in the midst of this sea change, word was that Pope Paul VI was preparing an encyclical on the very subject that leaders of the cabal begged Pope Saint Pius X to change: the Church teaching forbidding artificial contraception. (Instead of bowing to their demands, Piux X wrote Pascendi Dominici Gregis, On the Doctrine of Modernists, which took them apart, actually.) Paul VI went along with a lot of the changes, so far. He’d get with the 20th century on this, right?
Wrong.
On July 25, 1968, Pope Paul VI published his encyclical, the vitally important, and not read much at all Humanae Vitae. The interpreters of the news went looking for the bottom line decision, and that is about all most people know about it: the Church affirms the teachings of the Apostles as given to them by Christ. The transfer of life is not to be purposefully stifled by artificial means. Ignored in the aftermath of disbelief that he would not just go along with the world on this were Pope Paul VI’s words which really were prophetic:
Consequences of Artificial Methods Responsible men can become more deeply convinced of the truth of the doctrine laid down by the Church on this issue if they reflect on the consequences of methods and plans for artificial birth control. Let them first consider how easily this course of action could open wide the way for marital infidelity and a general lowering of moral standards. Not much experience is needed to be fully aware of human weakness and to understand that human beings—and especially the young, who are so exposed to temptation—need incentives to keep the moral law, and it is an evil thing to make it easy for them to break that law. Another effect that gives cause for alarm is that a man who grows accustomed to the use of contraceptive methods may forget the reverence due to a woman, and, disregarding her physical and emotional equilibrium, reduce her to being a mere instrument for the satisfaction of his own desires, no longer considering her as his partner whom he should surround with care and affection. Finally, careful consideration should be given to the danger of this power passing into the hands of those public authorities who care little for the precepts of the moral law. Who will blame a government which in its attempt to resolve the problems affecting an entire country resorts to the same measures as are regarded as lawful by married people in the solution of a particular family difficulty? Who will prevent public authorities from favoring those contraceptive methods which they consider more effective? Should they regard this as necessary, they may even impose their use on everyone. It could well happen, therefore, that when people, either individually or in family or social life, experience the inherent difficulties of the divine law and are determined to avoid them, they may give into the hands of public authorities the power to intervene in the most personal and intimate responsibility of husband and wife.
As Mary Eberstadt points out in the introduction to her beautifully written Adam and Eve after the Pill, Paul VI was not the first to point out the pitfalls of the matter, but it was the release of this encyclical that caused more upheaval, more people leaving the Church, more disdain, et al, but even moreso, may well have led to one of the conspiracy world’s enduring theories. The picture on the left is the real Pope Paul VI. Is he the same man as the picture on the right?
This is not the only comparison of photographs of the real Pope Paul VI, and the man thought to be a body double. There is also a witness who claims to have seen the real Pope Paul VI escorted from a canonization Mass at its conclusion, but there is no footage of that, so is it true? Was there an imposter on the Throne of St. Peter from sometime after Humanae Vitae was published until 1978? That’s yet to be answered. (An unapproved Marian apparition containing errors and inconsistencies in Brooklyn claims that he was held hostage in the Vatican, but this has not been confirmed.)
During this time period, on October 13, 1973, (there’s that October 13 again) there was another approved Marian apparition in Akita, Japan, that talks about a time when Satan’s work will be fairly obvious.
The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against bishops. The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their confreres… churches and altars sacked; the Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord.
Again, this is a private revelation that was accompanied with a confirmed miracle of a wooden statue of the Blessed Mother crying tears of human blood. There is no requirement to believe it. But….
What is known is that during the last ten years of Paul VI’s pontificate, the papal nuncios mentioned above elevated a whole lot of bishops who became cardinals and those specific men were very much at the root of the sexual abuse Scandal that exploded in 2002. They were the ones who refused to ordain priests due to “rigidity” in belief in the actual teachings of the Church. What the papal nuncios did is sort of like what President Trump is doing with the judiciary and conservatives: they stuffed modernists into the Episcopacy, at least in Europe and the Americas.
That stopped in 1984 as part of a trio of events that put the Church on a correction course that Francis and the rest of his groupies of the St. Gallen gang are trying to stop.
Remember, 1984 marks the one hundreth year following Pope Leo XIII’s vision described above. (Were Satan’s hundred years up?) At the five year mark of his papacy, Pope Saint John Paul II replaced all of the papal nuncios, including the group left over from the Paul VI years who may not have been that pope’s actual picks, with his own men. JPII also allowed the Tridentine Mass, or Mass in Latin, to be said with the permission of local bishops (this was the mark of the good vs. not good for years. Those who allowed the Indult were in the “good” category). Latin was also allowed back into Mass in the vernacular. And at the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) November meeting, the president of the group, the late Archbishop John May, a good and holy man, oversaw the signing of a document in secret that was meant to clean up the seminaries which were openly dens of sodomy and willingly taught error. (I remember reading about this document some time ago, and can’t find a source right off.)
It didn’t work as advertised with the more obstinate of the homosexual hierarchy, that’s for sure. But, it was a start, and in May’s own archdiocese, St. Louis, he had no qualms about laicizing criminal priests and sending them to prison. It happened more than once.
So, what does all this have to do with #UNITEtheCLANS and the current situation we Catholics find ourselves in? Well….
The group of prelates currently with the reigns of power were the ones who passed the “rigidity” test that a whole lot of seminaries had back in the 1950s and 60s. Not every seminary had them, but those that did produced Francis, as well as a circle known as the St. Gallen Group. These men largely became cardinals eventually, but they are/were a group of priests who met in St. Gallen, Switzerland, to plot their moves. Their original choice for the papacy, reportedly, was Joseph Bernardin who died in office as the Archbishop of Chicago in 1996. After Bernardin’s demise of pancreatic cancer ( a triumph for Pope Saint John Paul II, ultimately, outliving his most strident opponent as with Bernardin out of the way, he could get some things done), the St. Gallen group somewhat lost hope. They were aging out of the College of Cardinals and beginning to die off, and sooner or later, the window of opportunity would disappear.
That was until, somehow, they managed to get Pope Benedict XVI to abdicate. Recent leaks from the 2013 Papal Conclave indicate his “resignation” was a deal cut, but when it comes down to it, Francis was installed as the group’s choice, vowing to change the Church in such a way She could not be changed back.
“They” may have gotten Francis in at the Vatican, but lost the White House. Oops.…okay, that’s just a guess.
In the timeline above, what this writer skipped over was the role Lefebvre played in instituting a splinter segment of the Faith that is now led by a group of priests known as the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter (FSSP). (The Remnant, a traditional Catholic periodical, is published by a family that is part of this splinter.) In 1970, Pope Paul VI (I assume it was the real Paul VI) actually allowed Lefebvre to have his group, where Mass in Latin is the norm and traditional Catholicism is practiced, and be able to ordain priests, etc. (Their seminaries are huge and full on a regular basis.) For decades, this group was looked at with disdain by the main body of the Latin Rite (the main rite of the west). They were considered schismatic even though the actual schism didn’t happen until 1988 when Lefebvre elevated priests to bishop, which he was not allowed to do. FSSP did not follow Lefebvre when he did this.
So, Lefevbre’s splinter of the splinter, and the factions who consider ourselves faithful Catholics, but are not part of the FSSP crowd, have been famously at odds with just about everyone else for quite while over a whole lot of stuff. In fact, there are so many factions, it’s hard to keep up with them all. Well, now that Francis has come out and not just sowed confusion with meetings and useless synods that just talk about issues that the modernists would like to see changed in the Church (nothing has actually changed other than pronouncements on the environment), but has openly said – in a direct heresy – that Catholics should follow the United Nations, he’s managed to get all the practicing factions of Catholicism not still under the spell of the modernist Jesuits and the Spirit of Vatican II all on the same side.
They want you divided.
Well, not anymore, at least not among the informed and serious about their faith Catholics. The clans of Catholicism in the west are more united than not when it comes to Francis now. With declarations that are outright in contradiction to Church teaching, Francis has no standing with those of us who are in the know about that, and who have chosen to stay and fight. Michael Matt of the The Remnant is right about that. And his #UNITEtheCLANS concept and effort really needs to happen. Archbishop Fulton Sheen once said that about every four hundred years or so, the laity saves the Church. It’s beginning to look like we are in that place again as the talking heads of traditional and faithful Catholicism are lining up on the same side against a heretical papacy.
As Francis is a product of what gave us the sexual abuse scandal and more…what got us here was a plot to bring down the Church that was hatched hundreds of years ago and is still in motion. What the Cabal did not count on was that the days of pay, pray and obey are well and truly over as the misdeeds of their plants have been brought to light. The people who remain in the faith do so in spite of all that was done to destroy the Bride of Christ for love of Her. And we will stand shoulder to shoulder to defend Her just as Americans are doing to make America great again, and as the French are protesting in their yellow vests, and as the Italians are with their support of Salvini. In the end, from a certain perspective, it is all part of the same movement.
There is a guy on Hillary’s side, who saw Trump coming – like a sky filled with bombers – but nobody listened. He published his theory of the “danger” of a Trump victory on May 26, 2016.
While the author, Ross Douthat, didn’t exactly realize what Trump was up to, nor the fact that Trump was going to win, nor even WHY Trump was going to win – he was remarkably close, compared to most of “left-world”. I don’t think Douthat realized that (1) he (Douthat) was not actually looking at the right gray swans, and (2) TRUMP was the one generating the gray swans, through intellect, cunning, love, and sheer hard work.
Douthat believed that, rather than by one, big, unforeseen cataclysmic event – i.e., a “black swan” – a string of uncertainty-generating random-ish events could “accidentally” put Trump in the White House.
The reality is that Trump – grabbing and working HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of gray swan OPPORTUNITIES – coalesced them all into a comfortably large margin of tiny wins, including unforeseen victories in multiple swing states, to become the 45th President of the United States of America.
This “gray swan” view of the world – the idea that the world can be changed by a stream of perhaps uncommon but not rare events – is key to two things – both of which have high impact in my life:
The Plan, as in “Trust the plan.”, as in Q.
the slow, steady work of the “event people”, as I call them – but you might know them as “the Deep State”, or perhaps the people who killed Jeffrey Epstein, JFK, RFK, MLKJ, Ron Brown, and many others.
Trump’s path to 2016 victory could actually be viewed as part of “The Plan”, and I would certainly view it that way. But that is just the beginning, in my current opinion.
“The Plan” is actually much bigger than Trump.
MUCH, MUCH BIGGER.
So how do I know this?
Because I believed Q when he said “You have more than you know.”
3570 [C]oats Before [D]eclas Q!!mG7VJxZNCI1 Aug 2019 – 1:22:36 PM [C] before [D]. [C]oats before [D]eclas. The month of AUGUST is traditionally very HOT. You have more than you know. Q
Q’s last post before 8chan was shut down by the enemy
So – where do I begin? How about Q Day – August 17, 2019?
The Bob Lazar interviews are fascinating. He claims to have worked at Area 51 on alien spacecrafts and he is very convincing. The technology he describes is kind of mind-blowing. This body language dude is a little goofy but he does a decent job of analyzing the interviews. It takes a few minutes to get going…the actual interviews start around 2 minutes and fifty seconds into the video…
Now, I’m going to repeat that video here, but I will just preface things by saying that learning about Bob Lazar was a kind of “gray swan event” for me. It’s a predictable but uncommon critical event. It was evidence meeting a mind that was uniquely ready for it.
It was “UFO stuff” hitting me as edge science with which I was somewhat familiar.
I have traditionally avoided “UFO” stuff. Yes, at various, sporadic times, I’ve read bits and pieces with a kind of curious, almost morbid interest, but INVARIABLY I get to the point of being “turned off” by the cult-like, phenomenal nature of it all. Too many crazies. Too many new-agers. Too many – as Bob Lazar puts it – BAT SHIT CRAZY people. They seem like very nice people, but they also seem very crazy – much more than I could possibly be myself. It makes me start to think that NONE OF IT IS REAL. And yet the idea that it’s NOT REAL simply flies in the face of the most basic scientific and even (strange yet important) religious logic.
What this is, is actually rather profound. It is direct evidence of the psychologically unsettling nature of the ET problem – a demonstration of its power. It may even be a demonstration of how little we understand.
Many people who follow the field do seem like curious, interested, investigatory people. Some also seem like honest witnesses who have had legitimate odd experiences, which are temptingly explained by equally odd theories.
But some people – who blithely talk about hundreds of abductions – well – I simply have my doubts.
ALTHOUGH – when I approach the problem from a technological standpoint – I could see how CREATING such people would not only be possible, but also very useful. It would be the ultimate living disinformation – and, ironically, it protects its own creation – the mark of truly MASTERFUL disinformation. You have to BELIEVE the person about some initial encounter to explain why the rest of what they are saying is NOT TO BE BELIEVED.
Kinda evil, when you think about it.
I don’t doubt ALL of the “abduction” stories. The Barney and Betty Hill story, I believe strongly. I will come back to that, at some point, if only because I HAVE TO COME BACK TO IT.
I’m not even sure I really WANT to believe. Aliens are kinda scary. Indeed, I have actually been a DEBUNKER at times. I’m particularly good at debunking moving and reflected lights. The first time I solved a “reflected light UFO video”, I was ECSTATIC. I felt “better than Snopes”, because I debunked with absolutely no agenda – neither “confirmation bias” nor “debunking bias” (and trust me – nobody ever talks about “debunking bias”, or “anti-confirmation bias”, but it is VERY REAL). Seriously, I would have LOVED for that light to have been a real UFO – but I proved the other side because THE TRUTH HAS NO AGENDA.
The trouble with Bob Lazar, however, is that not only was he very believable – what he said made sense to me in ways that go way beyond why almost anybody else on the planet would believe him. I simply have hidden knowledge matching up to his story.
Bob Lazar began to solve nearly all the mysteries of my life in ONE VIDEO. This one. As I will explain in a moment.
If you want to go back and see all the comments that fell out of this video, go to the following link:
OMG – I just stopped playing this at 16:24, where they’re talking about element 115.
This connects to all the crap that happened around the time I underwent MK.
He says something about the island of stability stuff. THAT was the stuff that got me into trouble in the early 1980’s. I noticed MISSING THEORIES. Based on my understanding of history of science and science itself, I told my professor that there seemed to be missing theories in nuclear physics. It was a logical argument. Based on some existing theories, and the details of how they had originated, it was almost impossible that certain other similar theories didn’t exist – and yet there were no known theories of a certain type.
At that time I wasn’t particularly suspicious – I thought it might just be some kind of interesting historical “phenomenon” – like a random void in science itself (which is a very cool concept in information theory – how does one CREATE or MAINTAIN a void in information?) But I didn’t know WHY it would be missing. I didn’t think that there was any reason to hide theories in that area. These are general science theories. There was not even a popular IDEA that some general theories were “off-limits”. People in science ASSUMED that certain TECHNOLOGY might be classified, but the idea that the most BASIC SCIENCE might be classified – THAT was unheard of back then.
Well, based on what this guy is saying, he is talking about stuff which would be elegantly explained by the theories I thought were missing. I know exactly what he is talking about, and he would have known exactly what I’m talking about.
Which is another tell. This guy acts just like a lot of scientists I’ve known. Just like normal. Just like he was in the lab next door explaining his stuff.
HOLY SHIT.
But his case also explains why they were interested in using MK on scientists, and presumably experimenting on it at the time. If you can keep their secret stuff compartmentalized, it can be protected. This guy (and maybe others) had gone off the ranch, and the military had a security problem. So they HANDED OFF THE PROBLEM to the CIA to deal with MK experiments. Which (from my point of view) are to some extent successful and to some extent not.
And everybody is still interested in these problems.
But OMG – I am so happy that:
– the class of theories I thought should have existed actually exist – the theories work – they would explain the island of stability – there IS an island of stability – elements in that island of stability create cool tech
Now – I’ve already modified my thinking on some of this, and things now make EVEN MORE SENSE. And that is why I am now talking to you all.
After I saw this Bob Lazar YouTube video, I decided to drop by a bookstore and see if I could find any of the Bob Lazar DVDs, as well as any other information on “alleged” alien propulsion technology, or “alleged” (or “fake science” “real”) information on higher post-actinides like element 115, now known as Moscovium. Information – disinformation – I can use it all.
I was VERY specifically looking for what I might call “REAL ALIEN STUFF”. I wanted things that were being dismissed along with the entire category, but were very likely real. Other stuff like Bob Lazar. Things that might seem bogus to most people, but would have the STENCH of awful reality to me.
And, OH, brothers and sisters, DID I FIND IT.
What I did NOT expect, was how utterly seamlessly this stuff integrated with all of the following:
my parents’ lives
my life, including childhood, education, and employment
history of science, including stuff that is rather obscure, but of which I have personal knowledge
the “real” history of the United States that I have pieced together after dumping fake news, fake entertainment, fake science, and fake history
the Q revelations
my personal readings and extensions of the Q revelations
the alleged “alien-free” Q history revealed through the following video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsaZF2E2uI4
Now – I want to be VERY careful here. I could mention or better still EXPLAIN many specifics from this book, and HOW they integrate with the things I described above. And, indeed, I WILL do that at some point. It will be very convincing. But CONVINCING YOU ALL is not what I want to do. I would prefer for you all to simply MAKE UP YOUR OWN MINDS.
I am stealing a page from Q, and asking you all to simply READ THIS BOOK and prepare to have your minds blown, by what amounts to “future proves past” on this 1997 book, which was itself relying on “future proves past” about 1947, 1962, and the surrounding years.
I believe that this book may have been part of PLANNED DISCLOSURE. Even the TIMING (50 years after Roswell) seems to have been part of the deal.
Now – it is important for me to address how this stuff affects – or more importantly does NOT affect our little site here.
We have a wide range of MAGA opinion here, across the entire spectrum of both RELIGION and SCIENCE. I am not going to try to “convince” anybody of things they either don’t believe, can’t believe, or don’t want to believe. However, as a free speech site, I will be discussing a lot of things which – AT ALL TIMES – some people absolutely WON’T BELIEVE.
That’s OK. It works that way for everybody. You can say what you think, and you WILL let others say what they think – without denigration or artful inhibitions – other than the first time, which will be the last time. Disagreement is fine – we cannot increase our understanding without it. Open disagreement is better, because if it’s not shared, what use is it? But we will have to let each other say disagreeable things, as I will explain momentarily.
I personally think we’ve done really well on this front – the art of enlightened discussion of hot topics – but this is going to move into new territory.
I am going to state the following in a “future proves past” way:
What is coming – which cannot be stopped – will shake up “what we know” and “how we know it” in profound ways.
However – WE – who are able to discuss BOTH science and religion FREELY – are uniquely prepared for this “rough ride”.
Those who can understand the future from the vantage points of both science and religion will have a much easier time moving into that future. Those who refuse to use one tool or the other will have far greater difficulties dealing with the future.
When I say this, I am including people who oppose either religion or science, but actually know something about what they oppose.
You will not have to give up your beliefs. You will have to re-understand them. You will have to SEE YOUR OWN BELIEFS DIFFERENTLY.
The curves of a changing reality will simply be too steep to allow people to remain exactly where they were before, absent running into the mountains and living in a shack, where CHANGE cannot find them.
In fact, it is imperative that you not give up your beliefs. The FUNDAMENTALS of those beliefs are important. Their being shaken up is an opportunity for opponents of those beliefs to make you “switch worldviews”. DON’T FALL FOR IT. That is my advice. The “hasty jump” is rarely wise. Maybe NEVER wise.
Now, I’m going to close by going back just slightly on what I said. One impression I got from the book is this:
America was blessed with WISE LEADERSHIP in both Harry Truman and Dwight Eisenhower. We are once again blessed with such leadership now, in President Donald J. Trump.